Hezbollah Implicated in Hariri Murder

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Spiegel Online has an article with detailed information on the investigation into the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri — imagine my surprise to learn that New Evidence Points to Hezbollah in Hariri Murder.

SPIEGEL has learned from sources close to the tribunal and verified by examining internal documents, that the Hariri case is about to take a sensational turn. Intensive investigations in Lebanon are all pointing to a new conclusion: that it was not the Syrians, but instead special forces of the Lebanese Shiite organization Hezbollah (“Party of God”) that planned and executed the diabolical attack. Tribunal chief prosecutor Bellemare and his judges apparently want to hold back this information, of which they been aware for about a month. What are they afraid of?

According to the detailed information provided by the SPIEGEL source, the fact that the case may have been “cracked” is the result of a mixture of serendipity à la Sherlock Holmes and the state-of-the-art technology used by cyber detectives. In months of painstaking work, a secretly operating special unit of the Lebanese security forces, headed by intelligence expert Captain Wissam Eid, filtered out the numbers of mobile phones that could be pinpointed to the area surrounding Hariri on the days leading up to the attack and on the date of the murder itself. The investigators referred to these mobile phones as the “first circle of hell.”

Captain Eid’s team eventually identified eight mobile phones, all of which had been purchased on the same day in the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli. They were activated six weeks before the assassination, and they were used exclusively for communication among their users and — with the exception of one case — were no longer used after the attack. They were apparently tools of the hit team that carried out the terrorist attack.

But there was also a “second circle of hell,” a network of about 20 mobile phones that were identified as being in proximity to the first eight phones noticeably often. According to the Lebanese security forces, all of the numbers involved apparently belong to the “operational arm” of Hezbollah, which maintains a militia in Lebanon that is more powerful than the regular Lebanese army. While part of the Party of God acts like a normal political organization, participating in democratic elections and appointing cabinet ministers, the other part uses less savory tactics, such as abductions near the Israeli border and terrorist attacks, such those committed against Jewish facilities in South America in 2002 and 2004.

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124 comments
1 Shug  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:32:59pm

The party line of God

2 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:33:08pm

No, not Hezbollah! Why would anybody suspect an Iranian/Syrian proxy force, with a demonstrated enthusiasm for the use of explosives as a tool of murder for political purposes, of using explosives to murder an opponent of Syrian & Iranian influence?

3 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:33:18pm

Maybe if Israel gives up the Golan and half of Jerusalem . . .

/you know, for peace

4 Zimriel  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:33:48pm

This just in - "Stool Found In Woods Tests Positive For Ursine DNA"

5 Last Mohican  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:33:59pm
It was not the Syrians, but instead... the Lebanese Shiite organization Hezbollah (“Party of God”) that planned and executed the diabolical attack

What's the difference?

6 pingjockey  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:34:12pm

"Less savory tactics"......ya think?!

7 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:34:58pm

re: #6 pingjockey

"Less savory tactics"......ya think?!

Yeah, and here I thought it was the Brits who were famous for understatement.

8 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:35:58pm

re: #5 Last Mohican

What's the difference?

Zip code on their mailing addresses? Different PO boxes? Different Stationery?

9 pingjockey  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:36:07pm

re: #7 Guanxi88
Speigel may not want to upset their Asian youts!

10 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:36:11pm

"Nu? - So What Else is New?" That is all.

-S-

11 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:37:17pm

re: #9 pingjockey

Speigel may not want to upset their Asian youts!

Maybe, but I daresay these youts don't read Spiegel, or, if they do, really don't care too much about one group of Arabs killing another. Turks, I've noticed, don't tend to like Arabs much at all.

12 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:37:55pm

Can we talk?

/Joan Rivers TOTUS

13 pingjockey  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:38:29pm

re: #11 Guanxi88
Are there more Turkish youts in Germany than Arab youts?

14 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:39:18pm

re: #13 pingjockey

Are there more Turkish youts in Germany than Arab youts?

Oooh, yeah! But for the Turks, good chunks of Germany would be more or less empty. There are some Arabs there, but it's still mostly Turks and, oddly enough, some Kurds, too.

15 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:39:56pm

re: #11 Guanxi88

Maybe, but I daresay these youts don't read Spiegel, or, if they do, really don't care too much about one group of Arabs killing another. Turks, I've noticed, don't tend to like Arabs much at all.

Guanxi88 -

During the Ottoman Period, the Turks considered the Arabs to be the "Musulman's Burden." Hasn't changed much, and the Kurds - fuhgeddaboudit.

-S-

16 pat  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:41:02pm

Shocking. Iran involved in terrorism?

17 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:42:48pm

The current administration policy of engaging the likes of Syria is whistling past the graveyard.

/Hezbollah will probably win the upcoming Lebanese elections, and then what?

18 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:46:27pm

re: #17 Killian Bundy

The current administration policy of engaging the likes of Syria is whistling past the graveyard.

/Hezbollah will probably win the upcoming Lebanese elections, and then what?

Killian Bundy -

Judging by past history:

1. Hezbollah in power will overreach.
2. The Lebanese will tire of them.
3. Another Lebanese Civil War will result.

-S-

19 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:46:33pm
Tribunal chief prosecutor Bellemare and his judges apparently want to hold back this information, of which they been aware for about a month. What are they afraid of?

Is Spiegel serious?

20 pingjockey  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:46:43pm

re: #17 Killian Bundy
Syria annexes Lebanon.

21 Sharmuta  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:46:59pm
What are they afraid of?

Uh- maybe meeting the same end as Mr Hariri?

22 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:47:18pm

re: #20 pingjockey

Syria annexes Lebanon.

/again?

23 samsgran1948  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:47:39pm

It'll be interesting to see if anything actually comes of the investigation. With Hezbollah poised to win the upcoming Lebanese election, I imagine the entire investigation will be swept under the carpet. And given the UN's extreme disinterest in Muslim crime -- up to and including genocide --don't expect the UN to ask any questions.

24 Sharmuta  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:47:49pm

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel

Yeah- I'm think Speigel wins the stupid question of the day award.

25 Zimriel  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:47:56pm

Obama just said the country was "out of money". (Expect a little dip in the markets come Monday.) And because we're out of money, we have to go nationalise healthcare.

From over here, it looks like he's saying "I'm going to keep talking down America's economy until Congress passes health-care nationalisation".

Please tell me we didn't elect an extortionist from Chicago to head up our Executive branch.

26 pingjockey  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:48:01pm

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel
Getting blowed up!

27 MandyManners  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:49:09pm
28 debutaunt  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:49:13pm

re: #16 pat

Shocking. Iran involved in terrorism?

Linky?

29 pingjockey  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:49:56pm

re: #22 Killian Bundy
Sure, it's been over 20 years since their last civil war! Time to do it again. Execpt I don't think the Chinless one is as ruthless as his old man. Hezbollocks may take over Syria instead!

30 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:50:14pm

re: #25 Zimriel

Zimriel -

"...Don't Need a Weatherman to Know Which Way the Wind Blows..."

Robert Zimmerman

-S-

31 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:50:15pm

re: #25 Zimriel


Please tell me we didn't elect an extortionist from Chicago to head up our Executive branch.

Tell me lies
Tell me sweet little lies

32 pingjockey  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:50:36pm

re: #25 Zimriel

Pssst....We did, and he is.

33 MacDuff  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:50:42pm

re: #25 Zimriel

Obama just said the country was "out of money". (Expect a little dip in the markets come Monday.) And because we're out of money, we have to go nationalise healthcare.

From over here, it looks like he's saying "I'm going to keep talking down America's economy until Congress passes health-care nationalisation".

Please tell me we didn't elect an extortionist from Chicago to head up our Executive branch.

OK, I won't tell you. (pssst, everyone else, we did)

34 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:51:35pm

re: #30 Dr. Shalit

Zimriel -

"...Don't Need a Weatherman to Know Which Way the Wind Blows..."

Robert Zimmerman

-S-

Look out, kid
It was something you did.

35 Sharmuta  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:52:41pm

re: #28 debutaunt

It's well known that iran fund hizbullah. If we really want to cut these terrorist groups off at the knees, we should take out their source of funding.

36 debutaunt  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:53:57pm

re: #35 Sharmuta

It's well known that iran fund hizbullah. If we really want to cut these terrorist groups off at the knees, we should take out their source of funding.

Kidding about Iran never works.

37 solomonpanting  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:54:49pm

QUESTION:

Tribunal chief prosecutor Bellemare and his judges apparently want to hold back this information, of which they been aware for about a month. What are they afraid of?

ANSWER:

While part of the Party of God acts like a normal political organization, participating in democratic elections and appointing cabinet ministers, the other part uses less savory tactics, such as abductions near the Israeli border and terrorist attacks, such those committed against Jewish facilities in South America in 2002 and 2004.

NEXT.....

38 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:54:51pm

re: #25 Zimriel

(Expect a little dip in the markets come Mondy.

The U.S. markets won't be open Monday.

/thank a veteran, they paid in blood for TOTUS' flippant attitude

39 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:55:12pm

Sri Lanka's comprehensive victory over terrorist forces, defying all post-60s conventional wisdom, was largely the result of disregarding the terrorists' human shield propaganda strategy, and enduring the consequent outcry from various highly placed terror shills.
This may be a tipping point in the global struggle against media supported insurgency and totalitarianism.
My advice to the Israelis would be to do what you can to save innocent lives, but be willing to tell the UN, the media and the lefty NGOs to go screw themselves. They are not for peace or humanity, they are for the other side.

40 pingjockey  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:55:26pm
41 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:55:45pm

re: #36 debutaunt

Kidding about Iran never works.

Well, these days, madness and willful denial of the truth are so rampant that what should be an obviously humorous remark (i.e., a request for evidence of Iranian involvement in terrorism) can, in fact, be a real request.

Sad to say, drooling idiocy and foaming fanaticism have removed our capacity for humor.

42 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:56:43pm

re: #40 pingjockey

Nice find!

43 debutaunt  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:57:00pm

Dom Deluise and Johnny Carson doing egg trick.

44 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:58:01pm

re: #25 Zimriel


Please tell me we didn't elect an extortionist from Chicago to head up our Executive branch.

Here, let's ask Mr. Rollins for his take on the situation:

45 pingjockey  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:59:05pm

re: #42 Guanxi88

Did it play?
My 'puter says disabled by request!

46 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:59:41pm

re: #45 pingjockey

Did it play?
My 'puter says disabled by request!

I just double-click and open in a new tab; works like a charm

47 MacDuff  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:00:17pm

re: #38 Killian Bundy

" thank a veteran, they paid in blood for TOTUS' flippant attitude" Hear! Hear!

48 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:00:55pm

Et Tu, Mahmoud?

49 pingjockey  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:00:57pm

re: #46 Guanxi88
Ah ha. Still having issues with the linky thing. Thought "Would I lie to you?" was appropriate.

50 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:01:18pm

re: #38 Killian Bundy

/thank a veteran, they paid in blood for TOTUS' flippant attitude

yeah, but BHO forgives them.

51 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:01:30pm

I wonder what the Lebanese electorate will make of this.

52 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:02:40pm

re: #51 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I wonder what the Lebanese electorate will make of this.

Those who support Hezbo will take it as yet more evidence of the wisdom of their choice; those who oppose Hezbo will take it the same way. Everyone KNEW they had their fingerprints all over this thing, so I imagine no real change in status quo.

53 justdanny  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:03:16pm

Dont worry ya'll. Coming soon...? is CHANGE we can believe in
Unlike the evil and villainous Bush Administration, BO will fix it all for us.

/

54 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:03:16pm

re: #25 Zimriel

Please tell me we didn't elect an extortionist from Chicago to head up our Executive branch.

He's merely following in Jesse's footsteps.

55 pingjockey  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:03:49pm

re: #50 Guanxi88
But, I don't forgive him or the donks or any opportunist pol.

56 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:04:08pm

Wonder if this is the Lebanese equivalent of an 'October surprise'?

/Surprise, you bloodsucking pieces of shit!

57 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:06:09pm

re: #55 pingjockey

But, I don't forgive him or the donks or any opportunist pol.

No, it's true; see, what makes them better than people like you or me is that they're more than willing to avail themselves of the liberties bought and paid for by men and women better than they are, while simultaneously vowing never to use these means, and, in fact, despising their use, but forgiving those "duped" by the lies of every single administration before them.

See, they love the liberty, hate the means of securing it, and forgive the duped maniacs and dead-enders whom they believe to be the bulk of the armed forces of this nation.

58 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:07:15pm

On a not completely unrelated note, I thumbed through the article on flight of Arab Christians in the middle east in this month's National Geographic.

If I read the article correctly, it seems as though their plight is entirely to blame on Western Christians and Israel. I mean....Hezbollah and the PLO's bloody presence in Lebanon get a passing mention, but even in that context the author manages to work in an anecdote about how those stupid Americans in post-9/11 USA don't understand that there's such a thing as Arab Christians.

59 pingjockey  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:07:19pm

re: #57 Guanxi88
In the recesses of their BB sized brains.

60 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:08:30pm

re: #59 pingjockey

In the recesses of their BB sized brains.

Think of how much pure effort it takes to contort your mind into these positions they take, and then realize they do it willingly, gladly, even.

61 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:08:43pm

re: #11 Guanxi88

Maybe, but I daresay these youts don't read Spiegel, or, if they do, really don't care too much about one group of Arabs killing another. Turks, I've noticed, don't tend to like Arabs much at all.

In my fairly limited experience, I've noticed that Persians don't like Arabs at all either.

62 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:08:50pm

Glenn Beck, Idiot....
Video: Glenn Beck on the rise of independents

At about 0:57 (backwards running timer) Beck point to to rising independent line on the graph and refers to it at the Tea Party group. Despite being told several times that the line represents the "Colin Powell vote".

From the original Pew study....

Centrism has emerged as a dominant factor in public opinion as the Obama era begins. The political values and core attitudes that the Pew Research Center has monitored since 1987 show little overall ideological movement.

It's about centrism, not about radical isolationist Libertarians. He's deluded and dumb enough to believe that it is. More than a few Hot Air readers are eager enough to delude themselves too.

63 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:09:43pm

re: #61 Fenway_Nation

In my fairly limited experience, I've noticed that Persians don't like Arabs at all either.

Also true. Funny, isn't it? Arabs seem to have only one good neighbor, whose existence they deny and seek to eliminate.

Eh, a tribal people. What can one expect?

64 pingjockey  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:09:51pm

re: #60 Guanxi88
Maybe that's why they're always pissed. Their heads hurt!

65 gatorbait  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:10:14pm

it was not the Syrians, but instead special forces of the Lebanese Shiite organization Hezbollah (“Party of God”) that planned and executed the diabolical attack

The smart money says they will win the national election on June 7. Will Obama call then with congradulations?

66 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:10:41pm

re: #17 Killian Bundy

The current administration policy of engaging the likes of Syria is whistling past the graveyard.

/Hezbollah will probably win the upcoming Lebanese elections, and then what?

More Lebanese/Arab Christians in the USA, Western Europe, Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, South America....y'know....anywhere but a hezbollah domintaed Lebanon.

67 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:10:48pm

re: #64 pingjockey

Maybe that's why they're always pissed. Their heads hurt!

Mine does trying to figure out what's going on in there; I can only imagine how painful it must be for them. Like having a skull full of wasps.

68 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:11:18pm

re: #65 gatorbait

it was not the Syrians, but instead special forces of the Lebanese Shiite organization Hezbollah (“Party of God”) that planned and executed the diabolical attack

The smart money says they will win the national election on June 7. Will Obama call then with congradulations?

What, you think he'll return the favor of the call they no doubt gave him?
//

69 MacDuff  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:11:44pm

re: #57 Guanxi88

See, they love the liberty, hate the means of securing it, and forgive the duped maniacs and dead-enders whom they believe to be the bulk of the armed forces of this nation.

I'm with you right up to that sentence. I don't believe they "forgive" anyone in the military; the disdain, among the hard-core leftists, for members of the military is in their DNA.

70 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:11:46pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Hey, Colin Powell comes out and publicly endorses Obama.

/'nuff said

71 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:13:39pm

re: #69 MacDuff

I'm with you right up to that sentence. I don't believe they "forgive" anyone in the military; the disdain, among the hard-core leftists, for members of the military is in their DNA.

You may be right about that; I'd hate to think that their hatred would overpower their condescending magnanimity, but you may be right.

72 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:15:26pm

re: #70 Killian Bundy

Hey, Colin Powell comes out and publicly endorses Obama.


Yes he and many others left before the election. More and more are leaving because of the pundits calling for purges of moderates. I also think conservatives have reacted very poorly to the financial meltdown and things like the DHS memo. The few moderates who might have stuck it out are scared off by the craziness.

73 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:15:47pm

what in the world is going to have to happen before the world wakes up and sees hezbollah, hamas, and iran for what they are? is there anything?

74 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:16:20pm

re: #61 Fenway_Nation

In my fairly limited experience, I've noticed that Persians don't like Arabs at all either.

I'll also say that one of the most interesting analyses of the situation came from a Persian co-worker of mine. A nominal Muslim (he fled like a shot out of a gun as soon as the revolution got underway), he told me he thought the worst thing that ever happened to Persia was its conquest by the Arabs. He said the Arabs were a catastrophe, because their imperialism came with a complete religion and culture that utterly destroyed most of whatever came before. He compared it to a tapeworm and cancer, all at once.

75 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:17:16pm

re: #73 _RememberTonyC

They'll keep feeding others (Druze, Christians, Israels) to the monster in the hopes that the monster devours them last.

76 pingjockey  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:17:36pm

re: #73 _RememberTonyC
Nothing short of a nuke going off somewhere. Even then, they'll have their apologists.

77 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:17:59pm

re: #76 pingjockey

Nothing short of a nuke going off somewhere. Even then, they'll have their apologists.

And troofers! Don't discount the troofers!

78 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:18:34pm

re: #76 pingjockey

Nothing short of a nuke going off somewhere. Even then, they'll have their apologists.


that won't mean shit .... the Jews will be blamed ... you know it's true

79 Jack Burton  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:18:49pm

Hezbollah murders? I can only express puzzlement that borders on alarm.

/

80 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:19:02pm

re: #75 Fenway_Nation

They'll keep feeding others (Druze, Christians, Israels) to the monster in the hopes that the monster devours them last.

we have learned nothing from history ... nothing.

81 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:19:35pm

re: #79 ArchangelMichael

Hezbollah murders? I can only express puzzlement that borders on alarm.

/

I know, it sure doesn't sound like the Hezbollah I know, either.

///

82 pingjockey  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:19:55pm

re: #77 Guanxi88

re: #78 _RememberTonyC

Da evil Jooooos! Is always their fallback posistion.

83 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:20:01pm

re: #80 _RememberTonyC

we have learned nothing from history ... nothing.

That's the only thing we can learn from history - that we don't learn anything from history.

84 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:20:27pm

re: #82 pingjockey

re: #78 _RememberTonyC

Da evil Jooooos! Is always their fallback posistion.

Hey. it's taken them this far, why not?

85 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:21:03pm

re: #83 Guanxi88

Well...without history, I wouldn't have this brand new 2010 Wheel.

86 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:22:01pm

later folks ... heading off for dinner!

be good

87 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:22:12pm

re: #85 Fenway_Nation

Well...without history, I wouldn't have this brand new 2010 Wheel.

What is this "wheel" of which you speak? You got one of those new Obamobiles?

88 MacDuff  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:22:29pm

re: #71 Guanxi88

You may be right about that; I'd hate to think that their hatred would overpower their condescending magnanimity, but you may be right.

When anticipating hard-core leftists, I always sell short. There seems to be no depth to which they will not sink in pursuit of their misbegotten ideology and the ends thereof.

89 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:22:39pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Yes he and many others left before the election. More and more are leaving because of the pundits calling for purges of moderates. I also think conservatives have reacted very poorly to the financial meltdown and things like the DHS memo. The few moderates who might have stuck it out are scared off by the craziness.

Well, good riddance. For starters, you didn't vote. And then you're on record saying if you did vote, you would have probably vetted for Obama. You did neither.

/pardon me while I ignore your lecture on what conservatism's supposed to be

90 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:24:17pm

re: #89 Killian Bundy

evetted

/voted

91 pingjockey  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:26:57pm

re: #90 Killian Bundy
If the one had been vetted, Hillary may have been the donk nominee. As it was, all of obambis, ahem, questionable friends and associates recieved a pass.

92 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:29:27pm

re: #91 pingjockey

If the one had been vetted, Hillary may have been the donk nominee. As it was, all of obambis, ahem, questionable friends and associates recieved a pass.

More than a pass, my friend. See, Barry's invested in so much charismatic and cool Chosen-ness that the fact that he knows these people immediately absolves them and even endorses them. Some low-life such as your truly associates with bomb-tossers and enemies of the nation, and we're subversives at best; but, let Teh One cast His benign gaze on them, and their deeds are immediately forgiven, and maybe even laudable, and are, in any event, not to be discussed in tones other than approving.

93 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:29:27pm

re: #89 Killian Bundy

Yes, I've been chased out along with a lot of other people.

94 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:30:00pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Yes, I've been chased out along with a lot of other people.

/enjoy it

95 pingjockey  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:30:45pm

re: #92 Guanxi88
Riiiight.////

96 pingjockey  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:32:18pm

BBL

97 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:32:24pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Oh noes! Now I can't sit at the table with the cool kids in the cafeteria...

98 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:32:44pm

re: #95 pingjockey

Riiiight.////

I'm telling you, the cult of personality around this guy does just what I said it does. Spooky stuff; could you imagine if such a cult should ever build up around an impressive or intelligent person, instead of around some third-rate ward-heeler from Chi town?

99 Guanxi88  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:33:23pm

re: #97 Fenway_Nation

Oh noes! Now I can't sit at the table with the cool kids in the cafeteria...

Plenty of room over here with the Chess and AV club.

100 Macker  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:38:07pm

So what else is new?

HEZBOLLAH DELENDA EST.

101 debutaunt  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:39:23pm

re: #80 _RememberTonyC

we have learned nothing from history ... nothing.

I did. It repeats without the lathering part.

102 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:39:30pm

Oh geez....my throwaway Palestine joke made the top 10 comments (tied w/ one of Mandy Manners comments for 4th place). I think that's the first time to me.

103 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:41:43pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Yes, I've been chased out along with a lot of other people.

What really puzzles me is that you're obviously not a conservative, why do you care?

/you should be reveling in the demise of the GOP, yet you insist on offering advice from the great beyond

104 MacDuff  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:44:24pm

re: #100 Macker

So what else is new?

HEZBOLLAH DELENDA EST.

Yes, be destroyed they must.

105 400lb gorilla  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:46:25pm

Time for another strongly worded letter

106 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:49:48pm

re: #103 Killian Bundy

What really puzzles me is that you're obviously not a conservative, why do you care?


Because we have a two party system in this country. With the way the electoral college is set up it's almost impossible for a third party to win. When one party doesn't want my vote, much less do anything to get it, that leaves me with only one choice.
I know you guys want all the moderates out but you can't get mad at us for leaving. We're almost all gone by now anyways. Don't be angry with us, we were told to leave repeatedly.

107 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:51:50pm

re: #106 Killgore Trout

When one party doesn't want my vote, much less do anything to get it, that leaves me with only one choice..

/stay home, don't vote

108 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:52:00pm

re: #106 Killgore Trout

I know! Let's have the GOP do their level best to make themselves look like a carbon copy of the Dems! That'll make eveyone happy!

109 Sharmuta  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:52:44pm

re: #108 Fenway_Nation

I know! Let's have the GOP do their level best to make themselves look like a carbon copy of the Dems! That'll make eveyone happy!

You mean like increased spending on social issues? They already did that.

110 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:54:23pm

re: #109 Sharmuta

And how many people did it bring into the fold? How'd that work out in the last 2 elections?

111 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:54:47pm

re: #106 Killgore Trout

I know you guys want all the moderates out but you can't get mad at us for leaving. We're almost all gone by now anyways. Don't be angry with us, we were told to leave repeatedly.

/and if you voted, you would have voted for Obama

112 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:56:23pm

re: #111 Killian Bundy

/and if you voted, you would have voted for Obama

/just like Colin Powell, only he actually voted

113 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:59:21pm

re: #106 Killgore Trout

The Electoral College prevents a third party from winning is just so much bullshit. The EC votes based on vote totals from the states, nothing else. The problem with a third party winning is the same reason why the GOP can't win as you so like to natter about is because no one from a third party has ever offered a strong enough message that reaches across party lines.

How many people do you know that vote straight party? I know quite a number, on both sides of the aisle. The VOTERS are the problem with no third party winning, nothing else.

You don't want to participate in the American Experiment by voting, I don't have to listen to your bullshit advice. You willfully chose to not let your voice be heard.

114 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 23, 2009 4:02:10pm

re: #112 Killian Bundy

/just like Colin Powell, only he actually voted

I have lots more respect for someone that voted for Obama than I have for anyone that whines and cries about not having any choices and refused to vote.

Obama sure was a better choice than that old squishy moderate McCain.

/ is it sarcasm, or is it memorex?

115 quickjustice  Sat, May 23, 2009 4:24:25pm

No sh*t, Sherlock!

116 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 23, 2009 4:43:21pm

re: #111 Killian Bundy


/and if you voted, you would have voted for Obama


Correct. Republicans have shown some very poor instincts in reaction to the financial crisis and issues of national security such as the DHS memo.

117 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 23, 2009 4:46:23pm

re: #113 FurryOldGuyJeans
The Pro's and Con's of the Electoral College System

In addition to protecting the presidency from impassioned but transitory third party movements, the practical effect of the Electoral College (along with the single-member district system of representation in the Congress) is to virtually force third party movements into one of the two major political parties. Conversely, the major parties have every incentive to absorb minor party movements in their continual attempt to win popular majorities in the States. In this process of assimilation, third party movements are obliged to compromise their more radical views if they hope to attain any of their more generally acceptable objectives. Thus we end up with two large, pragmatic political parties which tend to the center of public opinion rather than dozens of smaller political parties catering to divergent and sometimes extremist views. In other words, such a system forces political coalitions to occur within the political parties rather than within the government.


You can google and learn more about it if you want to.

118 Sharmuta  Sat, May 23, 2009 4:47:29pm

re: #110 Fenway_Nation

And how many people did it bring into the fold? How'd that work out in the last 2 elections?

The party alienated fiscal conservatives so they could push a social agenda. It didn't work. Perhaps we should move towards fiscal responsibility and leave the social work to the actual citizens of this country.

There are a number of fiscally conservative people that are socially more liberal. You alienate them, and democrats will continue to win elections.

119 Banner  Sat, May 23, 2009 6:03:25pm

Big Deal. It's not like anyone, anywhere is actually going to do anything about it.

Everyone is afraid of Iran, and Iran knows it. No one is going to do a damn thing to Hez'bollah for this. Heck, they might as well just come out and brag about having done it, because no one anywhere in the world has the stones to do anything.

120 Zimriel  Sat, May 23, 2009 6:23:03pm

re: #109 Sharmuta

You mean like increased spending on social issues? They already did that.

Yeah. They did. And then the "social liberals but fiscal conservatives" like Snowe and Collins (and Specter, then) made sure to spend even more. Following the moderate path means following Snowe; and that means an ever more broken budget, more taxes, and more spending on boondoggles. Ultimately it means switching parties.

121 Ilan Toren  Sat, May 23, 2009 7:05:41pm

Anything that white washes Syria's role in this is suspect. It is just too good to be true for the Assad fans.

122 Blogforce one  Sat, May 23, 2009 7:56:25pm

Just wait untill Hezbollah gets fresh nuclear tipped missiles from Iran and their prez, Ahm a doin a jihad!. Obama better wake up to this threat, and fast!

123 BLBfootballs  Sat, May 23, 2009 9:33:33pm

Sounds like beautiful use of SIGINT and traffic analysis.... wonder if they had help from the US.

124 EE  Sun, May 24, 2009 5:29:47pm

It appears that in the current situation, the dirtiest jobs of the pro-Iran movement might have been assigned to Hezbollah. The investigation needs to continue, and the suspects need to be questioned.

Iran has to be kept out of the investigation or those who can supply information might end up being killed.


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