Republican Rep. Mike Castle faces an audience full of angry Nirthers. It’s beyond appalling how popular this insanity is with the GOP base. What the hell is wrong with these people?
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:33:16am |
It's way past time they all shut the hell up.
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:33:18am |
I have no clue about this. Is anyone really this stupid?
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cathypop Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:33:33am |
nirther idiots! Can this Monday get any worse?
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:34:16am |
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:34:24am |
Obama was born... I thought he was hatched in some democratic gene splicing experiment where all the worst parts of the liberal psyche were extracted in placed in him...
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Another twilight zone episode
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cathypop Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:35:00am |
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:35:04am |
re: #6 MikeAlv77
Obama was born... I thought he was hatched in some democratic gene splicing experiment where all the worst parts of the liberal psyche were extracted in placed in him...
//
Another twilight zone episode
Buddha, they say, was hatched from an egg. What a terrible responsibility for the hen-wife.
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:35:41am |
re: #3 cathypop
It's like my Grandmother used to tell me.
"Smile, things could get worse" she would say. So I smiled. And you know what?
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Things got worse!
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:36:25am |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
Sadly, yes.
Oh, well. Only this morning, I was reminded that stupidity is the most common element in the Universe.
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charpete67 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:37:14am |
...better to be thought of as a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt...
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:37:16am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:38:36am |
Let's get the Troofers, Nirthers, Moonies and Code Pink in a small confined place, get them drunk and ask them to yell out why their opinion is most important. Then sit back and watch. From the other side of a window.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:38:55am |
In a related story - I read today on another blog that Whoopi Goldberg is a moon landing truther. Doesn't surprise me.
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Spider Mensch Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:39:32am |
re: #3 cathypop
nirther idiots! Can this Monday get any worse?
wait until wednesday...[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
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midwestgak Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:39:32am |
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:39:35am |
re: #3 cathypop
nirther idiots! Can this Monday get any worse?
It already has.
The *spit* Moon landing denialists *spit* are naturally out in droves today, with a notably large infestation at Free Republic.
Moon hoaxery has yet to take on a solid political dimension but given the rabid anti-science and general stupidity of certain factions in the GOP, I would not be surprised if it soon does. How long before a GOP candidate or some minor office holder decides to test the waters with some choice weasel words, they might "support an investigation" because "questions have been raised"?
This would be pretty ironic historically, not that I would expect these idiots to know anything at all about that "suspect" field of study. At the time, of course, it was the political and cultural left that attacked Apollo, though few outside the drug culture were so foolish as to deny that it had happened at all.
I specifically remember the conformist hordes at some big pop festival booing and jeering when the news of the Moon landing was announced. (I thought for years that this was the Newport Jazz Festival but that can't be right because the 1969 NJF was a few days earlier than the Moon landing.)
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Kobyashi Maru Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:39:47am |
This is beating a dead horse. Maybe these people are the "real America" Sarah Palin talks about in her speeches, how in the world does this help any body's cause who opposes the size of government, the cost of welfare programs like social security (reform that and the deficits disappear) or any of the thousand issues those who can tell you who Edmund Burke was (10% of the Republican Party?),,,,,
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cathypop Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:39:56am |
re: #17 Cannadian Club Akbar
Let's get the Troofers, Nirthers, Moonies and Code Pink in a small confined place, get them drunk and ask them to yell out why their opinion is most important. Then sit back and watch. From the other side of a window.
I could watch that for hours.
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:39:56am |
re: #16 KenJen
Nithers are the new troofers.
I suspect them of being a sub-set.
The Troofers are still around, and still making us do face palms.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:40:02am |
re: #17 Cannadian Club Akbar
With a huge bucket of popcorn and a video camera.
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Russkilitlover Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:40:14am |
re: #3 cathypop
nirther idiots! Can this Monday get any worse?
Oh, sure..
US Bill for Bank Bailouts Could Be Huge
Neil Barofsky, the inspector general for the TARP, said in a report to Congress that Treasury's inaction means taxpayers have not been told what the financial institutions that have received assistance are doing with the money.
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American Sabra Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:40:19am |
Not one person boo'd her LOL They all applauded LOL.
Ya gotta laugh really!
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lawhawk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:40:27am |
You want insanity Charles? How about all the New Yorkers who think that 9/11 was a conspiracy - even among the millions who saw this first hand and in person and who smelled the rancid and metallic smoke from Ground Zero for months following the collapse of the towers, not knowing when the other shoe would drop.
It's so much easier to believe in the cold comfort of a conspiracy theory than to believe that Obama was duly elected. The same goes for 9/11 or the moon landings, or the JFK assassination, etc. Trying to wrap your head around those incredible events just doesn't work for the conspiracy nuts. Instead, they spend all their time trying to perpetuate the conspiracies - and it isn't a coincidence that those who believe in one conspiracy subscribe to others.
It's the nutters version of the GUT (grand unified theory of everything).
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wiffersnapper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:40:35am |
Nirthers, Ronulans, and Pat Buchanan, oh my!
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JammieWearingFool Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:40:49am |
9/11 troofers, nirthers, moon landing conspiracists all seem to be cut from the same cloth.
And they're all nuts.
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Digital Display Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:41:22am |
Boy That woman in the video was wack..
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:41:37am |
re: #22 Shiplord Kirel
When Ali G interviewed Buzz Aldrin, one of the questions he asked was something like "What do you say to all of them people who think the moon don't exist?"
It's one of my Favorite Ali G segments.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:41:46am |
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Ringo the Gringo Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:41:53am |
Barack Obama and his advisors are playing these folks like a one stringed Chicago fiddle.
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Last Mohican Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:42:36am |
Poor Representative Castle. Some days, being a politician is a really tough gig.
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:43:55am |
re: #23 Kobyashi Maru
I would like to point out that surveys demonstrating the truly remarkable ignorance of the public are as old as surveys. I don't care who does or does not know who Edmund Burke was; I care about injecting irrationality into the public debate.
Troofers and Nirth Certifikat types are doing the latter, and they worry me.
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Kobyashi Maru Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:44:13am |
Hey maybe this is really a setup by the Obama people to keep the press and MSM and the people across the country preoccupied while he takes over like Krang in the Simpsons! If these people are all hung up on his citizenship than they have no time to get involved in real issues...
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subsailor68 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:44:26am |
I just wish Rep. Castle had said to that woman: "Excuse me ma'am, could you be so kind as to pull your head out of your ass? The audio tech tells me we've got a feedback problem here."
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midwestgak Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:44:57am |
re: #38 taxfreekiller
Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schummer, Dennis Kinasinitch, Henry Wackman, oh, oh, my.
Don't worry. They are all under our Commander in Chief. Oh, wait . . .
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charpete67 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:45:03am |
so...they can't keep CIA programs secret that could hurt our national security because the dems want to offer cover to Nancy Pelosi...but, they can get their guy elected and cover up that he's Kenyan?
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Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:45:54am |
Is there in the history of conspiracy theories a single one that turned out being true? Just one?
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:46:21am |
re: #36 Ringo the Gringo
Barack Obama and his advisors are playing these folks like a one stringed Chicago fiddle.
I updinged you, even though I should have down-dinged you for promoting conspiracist thinking!
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calcajun Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:46:40am |
Proof of the adage-- "The Harder You Try- The Dumber You Look". Just because you scream louder than anyone else does not make you right.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:47:06am |
re: #19 Mad Al-Jaffee
In a related story - I read today on another blog that Whoopi Goldberg is a moon landing truther. Doesn't surprise me.
Not surprised. With the progress being made (at last) in non-government space flight, we might well see a private colony on the Moon or perhaps an asteroid within our lifetimes; if not in mine then certainly within that of the younger Lizards. Idiots like Goldberg and her slack-jawed audience will be left behind, and deservedly so.
At rock bottom that is the whole idea of spaceflight in my mind, leave the semi-evolved sound-biters and consumer units to stew in their own self-created hell.
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midwestgak Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:47:52am |
re: #44 Pianobuff
Is there in the history of conspiracy theories a single one that turned out being true? Just one?
John Wilkes Booth and company?
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mrbaracuda Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:48:00am |
Could it be that this is just the manifestation of latent racism? "He's black and POTUS, must be a conspiracy!" Just came to mind.
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charpete67 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:48:19am |
re: #44 Pianobuff
Is there in the history of conspiracy theories a single one that turned out being true? Just one?
...moon landing filmed in the Nevada dessert? My college roommate had a grandma that swore that was true...
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voirdire Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:48:20am |
You mean to tell me that there is absolutely nothing peebo can do to put this issue to rest?
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calcajun Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:48:22am |
re: #6 MikeAlv77
Obama was born... I thought he was hatched in some democratic gene splicing experiment where all the worst parts of the liberal psyche were extracted in placed in him...
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Another twilight zone episode
I thought that was "Star Trek" TOS-- with the transporter accident that split Kirk into two different persons (one that could act and the regular Shatner)
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eschew_obfuscation Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:48:57am |
re: #43 charpete67
so...they can't keep CIA programs secret that could hurt our national security because the dems want to offer cover to Nancy Pelosi...but, they can get their guy elected and cover up that he's Kenyan?
That's the Achilles heel of conspiracy theories..... too many people have to be involved in keeping "the secret" for keeping "the secret" to be possible. Someone, somewhere, would talk.
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Kobyashi Maru Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:49:23am |
Government conspiracies? The government is so incompetent that only the private sector matches it a la The Office...could Michael Scott cover anything up from Pam..I'd also like to see one conspiracy that ever succeeded....but then again maybe we don't know of the successful ones
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jcm Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:49:34am |
Maybe a complete economic collapse isn't such a bad idea.
When folks are worried about where dinner is going to come from, they won't have time for BULLSHIT like this!
It's time to restore a right of passage ceremony. When a young man is 16 dump his ass somewhere in the wilderness with nothing more than a small knife. He's got one week to get back. Or a tour in the Marines.
Something to FOCUS the mind.
Troofers, and nirthers suffer from a lack of focus, we no longer teach first principals, logic is too rigorous for young skulls full of mush. We've got large part a entire generation who simply cannot think or focus in a logical, rational manner, who cannot focus on priorities.
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:50:22am |
Not to excuse the Nirthers, but a large part of the core of the Dem party is every bit as crazy - they just don't get the kind of press that the Rep crazies get.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:50:24am |
re: #44 Pianobuff
Is there in the history of conspiracy theories a single one that turned out being true? Just one?
I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll. Sorry 'bout that.
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charpete67 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:50:33am |
re: #53 eschew_obfuscation
That's the Achilles heel of conspiracy theories..... too many people have to be involved in keeping "the secret" for keeping "the secret" to be possible. Someone, somewhere, would talk.
...and too many people from both sides of the isle with different axes to grind...not to mention the "death bed" remorseful confessions.
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Ringo the Gringo Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:50:33am |
The last thing Obama wants is for these folk give up. The more they scream and yell about the birth certificate, the more Obama's supporters can focus attention on those "crazy, paranoid Republicans".
These poor, clueless boobs are playing right into Obama's hands.
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Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:50:45am |
OK.... answered my own question
Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out Being True
Haven't read this yet, but figures there would be a blog dedicated to the topic.
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calcajun Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:50:56am |
re: #48 midwestgak
Because they tried to kill everyone in one night-- pretty damned obvious. There's a host of British and French assassination attempt conspiracies as well.
But., Oswald acted alone. We landed on the Moon five times. 9/11 was an act of terrorism and BHO was born in Hawaii and is a US Citizen. Period.
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subsailor68 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:51:36am |
re: #50 charpete67
...moon landing filmed in the Nevada dessert? My college roommate had a grandma that swore that was true...
Grandma: "Hey!! Is that a Stuckey's there in the background?!"
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voirdire Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:52:04am |
re: #59 Ringo the Gringo
The last thing Obama wants is for these folk give up. The more they scream and yell about the birth certificate, the more Obama's supporters can focus attention on those "crazy, paranoid Republicans".
These poor, clueless boobs are playing right into Obama's hands.
Don't think that goes unnoticed by everybody else.
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:52:10am |
re: #47 Shiplord Kirel
Not surprised. With the progress being made (at last) in non-government space flight, we might well see a private colony on the Moon or perhaps an asteroid within our lifetimes; if not in mine then certainly within that of the younger Lizards. Idiots like Goldberg and her slack-jawed audience will be left behind, and deservedly so.
At rock bottom that is the whole idea of spaceflight in my mind, leave the semi-evolved sound-biters and consumer units to stew in their own self-created hell.
And given the source of your nic, they might just be lizards.
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charpete67 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:52:31am |
re: #60 Pianobuff
OK.... answered my own question
Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out Being True
Haven't read this yet, but figures there would be a blog dedicated to the topic.
...I forgot about the The second Catiline conspiracy...
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calcajun Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:52:43am |
re: #57 Cannadian Club Akbar
I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll. Sorry 'bout that.
No--the "Babushka Lady" had dual .45's in her breasts.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:53:25am |
re: #44 Pianobuff
Is there in the history of conspiracy theories a single one that turned out being true? Just one?
There have been a lot of conspiracies and a lot of secrets, but I know of no conspiracy that:
a. allegedly involved massive numbers of people and organizationaly un-related agencies.
and
b. Was maintained for decades on end in the face of purported public exposure.
and
C. That later proved to be real.
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charpete67 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:53:26am |
re: #64 subsailor68
Grandma: "Hey!! Is that a Stuckey's there in the background?!"
u made me laugh out loud...and I'm not even sure what Stuckey's is...
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mrbaracuda Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:54:04am |
re: #61 Dianna
Why not? Not for all of course, but having spent time on Truthers it's not so far fetched mind you. For them a part of their belief is "Arabs in their caves are too dumb to.." Ah well, what do I care.
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jcm Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:54:14am |
re: #69 taxfreekiller
Notwithstanding the 3% insane within our U.S.A. .
Congressional Democrats just voted down a Republican amendment to the
Obama health care bill that would require that none of our tax money would go to treat illegals in the Govt. system.
Democrat leaders and Obama will spendthrift all your tax money on shit like this.The real ball is being kick around as you observe the loon fringe who have no power to spend your country into bankruptcy in 3 more years.
Democrat leaders have the power and are out and about with the work.
They'd lose almost 30% of the 40 million uninsured if they cut out the illegals.
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charpete67 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:54:16am |
re: #71 charpete67
u made me laugh out loud...and I'm not even sure what Stuckey's is...
although I'm sure I would know it if I saw one...
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:54:38am |
re: #63 Ringo the Gringo
Thanks, I think.
Really - I thought that was a marvellously rueful comment, and liked it. But I don't think Obama or his advisors have a thing to do with this stupidity.
It looks to me like, well, a fine example of incurable stupidity.
"You can be told the truth a thousand times, and it will make no difference if you will not believe it."
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Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:54:59am |
re: #69 taxfreekiller
Notwithstanding the 3% insane within our U.S.A. .
Congressional Democrats just voted down a Republican amendment to the
Obama health care bill that would require that none of our tax money would go to treat illegals in the Govt. system.
Democrat leaders and Obama will spendthrift all your tax money on shit like this.The real ball is being kick around as you observe the loon fringe who have no power to spend your country into bankruptcy in 3 more years.
Democrat leaders have the power and are out and about with the work.
There is still some talk that the Blue Dogs may split and try to work on something with the Rs.
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subsailor68 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:55:03am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:55:13am |
re: #68 calcajun
No--the "Babushka Lady" had dual .45's in her breasts.
In the Watchmen movie, it was The Comedian.
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Digital Display Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:55:18am |
For all you iphone users.. Today only you can download for free the sky Voyager software.. to celebrate the moon landing:
[Link: www.carinasoft.com...]
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Flyovercountry Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:56:08am |
While I think the nirther nonsense is a complete waste of time, besides being an insult to my intelligence, I would say that there was more to this meeting between this congressman and his constituents. He was blasted for his affirmative vote on, "cap and trade." He was blasted for his presumed affirmative stance on Nationalized Health Care. I believe that this illustrates the Republican base disillusionment with the current direction of the Republican party trying to become Democrat lite. I hope a real leader steps up soon, and save us from the likes of Ron Paul, or the Huckster.
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charpete67 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:56:08am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:56:29am |
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subsailor68 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:56:58am |
re: #82 Mad Al-Jaffee
Is it just a coincidence that that website also mentions Burma Shave ads?
Nope. It's a conspiracy!!
:-)
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Kragar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:59:34am |
re: #70 Shiplord Kirel
There have been a lot of conspiracies and a lot of secrets, but I know of no conspiracy that:
a. allegedly involved massive numbers of people and organizationaly un-related agencies.
and
b. Was maintained for decades on end in the face of purported public exposure.
and
C. That later proved to be real.
But what about the so called "moon landings"?
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The Curmudgeon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:59:43am |
It all began with fluoride in the water supply. We must restore the purity of our bodily fluids!
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wrenchwench Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:00:26pm |
re: #80 Flyovercountry
While I think the nirther nonsense is a complete waste of time, besides being an insult to my intelligence, I would say that there was more to this meeting between this congressman and his constituents. He was blasted for his affirmative vote on, "cap and trade." He was blasted for his presumed affirmative stance on Nationalized Health Care. I believe that this illustrates the Republican base disillusionment with the current direction of the Republican party trying to become Democrat lite. I hope a real leader steps up soon, and save us from the likes of Ron Paul, or the Huckster.
...and all that other stuff is water under the bridge because a Nirther distracted those who were there to discuss real issues. If you spot one, don't let her get her hand on the mike.
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MJ Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:01:00pm |
re: #31 JammieWearingFool
9/11 troofers, nirthers, moon landing conspiracists all seem to be cut from the same cloth.
And they're all nuts.
As is belief in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Bilderbergers, the Tri-lateral Com, the Illuminati, etc.
The belief in conspiracy runs deep.
Also, see Richard J. Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style of American Politics.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:01:04pm |
re: #78 Mad Al-Jaffee
In the Watchmen movie, it was The Comedian.
Which comes out tomorrow on DVD. Rorschach was the man.
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Russkilitlover Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:01:17pm |
re: #55 jcm
It's time to restore a right of passage ceremony. When a young man is 16 dump his ass somewhere in the wilderness with nothing more than a small knife.
"Aren't you one of the guys?"
"What guys?"
"You know, those guys with skills? They can go into the wilderness with a Q-Tip and a pocket knife and build you a shopping mall!"
~~Six Days, Seven Nights
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:01:40pm |
re: #87 wrenchwench
...and all that other stuff is water under the bridge because a Nirther distracted those who were there to discuss real issues. If you spot one, don't let her get her hand on the mike.
But how do we spot them? Half the folks who show up for a congress-critter's town meeting look like they need a keeper!
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Adrenalyn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:01:54pm |
why am I seeing so much right bashing here lately ?
it's not as if the new Hillary apology tour is not worthy of a thread
plenty to discuss there
like, if not for American progress, the Indian @#$%'s would not have grown to over a billion in population
if not for American.....we'd be speaking German, etc...
Spike Lee bringing up the race card, why not balance Pat Robertson's thread with a Spike Lee piece ?
plenty of American dying in Afghanistan, we need a body count under 0bama like the left did under Bush
(ok, that may be stretching it......)
but I think there is plenty of idiotarian fodder around
instead of picking on Drudge, who's headlines do not give "me" the impression of anything false, sensational - sure, but not false, the little ..... say there is more to the story
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charpete67 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:01:58pm |
Don't forget about Franken winning the election...huge fraud...hard to believe that no one has stepped forward.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:02:35pm |
re: #85 The Curmudgeon
It all began with fluoride in the water supply. We must restore the purity of our bodily fluids!
Gentlemen, there's no fighting in the War Room!
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Kragar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:03:17pm |
re: #88 MJ
As is belief in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Bilderbergers, the Tri-lateral Com, the Illuminati, etc.
The belief in conspiracy runs deep.
Also, see Richard J. Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style of American Politics.
I see you conviently failed to mention the Pentaverate. I find that very suspicious.
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wrenchwench Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:04:02pm |
re: #91 Dianna
But how do we spot them? Half the folks who show up for a congress-critter's town meeting look like they need a keeper!
Unfortunately, it takes work. One has to go to boring meetings on a regular basis and see who says what.
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wrenchwench Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:04:39pm |
re: #92 Adrenalyn
You sound ready to start your own blog!
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:05:04pm |
re: #92 Adrenalyn
Right bashing?
Calling out people for being stupid over the sliced ham non-story is bashing?
Calling out the 'nirthers for being morons is bashing?
Calling out the fascists is bashing?
Calling out various kookery such as young-earth creationism, troofers, and conspiracy theorists is bashing?
Funny, I could've sworn this was an anti-idiotarian site, and all the above are examples of idiotarianisms.
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:05:04pm |
re: #70 Shiplord Kirel
There have been a lot of conspiracies and a lot of secrets, but I know of no conspiracy that:
a. allegedly involved massive numbers of people and organizationaly un-related agencies.
and
b. Was maintained for decades on end in the face of purported public exposure.
and
C. That later proved to be real.
Enigma might qualify.
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Adrenalyn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:05:55pm |
re: #97 wrenchwench
You sound ready to start your own blog!
no, but to be "fair"
Charles picks on a Drudge link as riducle fodder
then links to another in agreement
he should maybe give credit to Drudge for exposing the "birthbots" (copyright, me)
is all I am saying
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:06:15pm |
re: #99 Son of the Black Dog
Enigma might qualify.
The people involved were mathematicians. No one could understand what they were talking about.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:06:37pm |
re: #92 Adrenalyn
why am I seeing so much right bashing here lately ?
If you want to identify the "right" as a bunch of conspiracy-spouting morons, go right ahead.
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Ringo the Gringo Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:06:40pm |
re: #75 Dianna
Really - I thought that was a marvellously rueful comment, and liked it. But I don't think Obama or his advisors have a thing to do with this stupidity.
It looks to me like, well, a fine example of incurable stupidity.
Of course you're right, but why would President Obama want to set the record straight when it's works much more to his advantage to let these folks continue to make fools of themselves in public?
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Kragar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:06:48pm |
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scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:06:52pm |
re: #98 Honorary Yooper
Right bashing?
Calling out people for being stupid over the sliced ham non-story is bashing?
Calling out the 'nirthers for being morons is bashing?
Calling out the fascists is bashing?
Calling out various kookery such as young-earth creationism, troofers, and conspiracy theorists is bashing?Funny, I could've sworn this was an anti-idiotarian site, and all the above are examples of idiotarianisms.
Well said, HY...
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subsailor68 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:07:01pm |
An announcement I'd love to see:
"Ladies and gentleman, please wait for the microphone before asking your question. Be advised, these mikes have been programmed to deliver a non-lethal, but really painful electric shock if they detect any of the following words: Kenya, birth certificate, moon, landings, conspiracy, steel, fire, can't melt, CIA, second shooter, grassy knoll, or tuna fish. We're not really sure why that last one's there, but just to be on the safe side, please avoid that as well."
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Adrenalyn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:07:28pm |
re: #98 Honorary Yooper
Right bashing?
Calling out people for being stupid over the sliced ham non-story is bashing?
Calling out the 'nirthers for being morons is bashing?
Calling out the fascists is bashing?
Calling out various kookery such as young-earth creationism, troofers, and conspiracy theorists is bashing?Funny, I could've sworn this was an anti-idiotarian site, and all the above are examples of idiotarianisms.
I agree for the most part except the Drudge headline
I don't see anything really outrageous about it
IMHO, he is simply showing the waste in the stimulous
with some examples
I did not even subconciously think he was being deceiptful in those headlines
but that's just me I guess
I don't have to read the story to see his point
lots of waste
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Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:07:29pm |
First, I couldn't imagine how Rep. Mike Castle felt while being confronted by a nirther with such an intensity. As usual they tend to go to extremes and this birth certificate "issue" should be put to rest.
Second, it's interesting to note that Rep. Mike Castle (R-Delaware) was one of eight Republican congressmen that voted for the Waxman-Markey Cap-and-Trade Bill.
Mary Bono-Mack, R-CA
Mike Castle, R-DE
Mark Kirk, R-IL
Dave Reichert, R-WA
Leonard Lance, R-NJ
Frank LoBiondo, R-NJ
John M. McHugh, R-NY
Chris Smith, R-NJ
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:07:32pm |
re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Dont bother. You can't win.
/
I don't believe in the no-win situation.
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turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:07:44pm |
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charpete67 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:08:00pm |
I think now is the time to throw out a gratuitous "Bush Won"...
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:08:26pm |
re: #111 turn
Hey there SS, that site said something about Burma Shave too. I didn't bother to ask earlier but what is the significance of that here at LGF?
If we tell you, we'll have to kill you!
*cue ominous music*
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Buck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:08:28pm |
re: #60 Pianobuff
OK.... answered my own question
Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out Being True
Haven't read this yet, but figures there would be a blog dedicated to the topic.
When you read it, discount the "Smallpox blanket genocide". It was a Hoax, made up entirely by our friend Ward Churchill.
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charpete67 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:08:34pm |
I think now is the time to throw out a gratuitous "Gore Won"...sorry, meant Gore
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Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:08:48pm |
re: #109 Gus 802
First, I couldn't imagine how Rep. Mike Castle felt while being confronted by a nirther with such an intensity. As usual they tend to go to extremes and this birth certificate "issue" should be put to rest.
Second, it's interesting to note that Rep. Mike Castle (R-Delaware) was one of eight Republican congressmen that voted for the Waxman-Markey Cap-and-Trade Bill.
Oh my.... should I even dare say serves him right?
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subsailor68 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:09:08pm |
re: #111 turn
Hey there SS, that site said something about Burma Shave too. I didn't bother to ask earlier but what is the significance of that here at LGF?
Hi turn!! I'm not really sure either, but taxfreekiller likes to make up Burma Shave signs, so that may be it.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:09:14pm |
re: #110 Honorary Yooper
I don't believe in the no-win situation.
I simply redefine the conditions for winning.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:09:17pm |
re: #108 Adrenalyn
I agree for the most part except the Drudge headline
I don't see anything really outrageous about itIMHO, he is simply showing the waste in the stimulous
with some examples
I did not even subconciously think he was being deceiptful in those headlinesbut that's just me I guess
I don't have to read the story to see his point
lots of waste
Funny, but $500,000 for a traffic signal installation, and $1.50/lb for pre-sliced, cooked ham seem like pretty fair uses for our money. Especially the deal on the ham. Wish I could get it that cheap.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:09:45pm |
re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
But what about the so called "moon landings"?
////
No doubt you are referring to the widespread claim that Hitler was spirited away to the Moon by Nazi rocket science as the Red Army closed in. Some allege that von Braun and his team simply duplicated this feat at gunpoint for the backward Americans. There is debate over whether the Fuhrer is still alive in his Moon habitat, having lived to 120 because of the invigorating effects of 1/6 gravity.
I am not making this up but I am too lazy to google it and supply a link; and Charles might not allow it anyway.
There is also a claim that British team reached the Moon even earlier but the program was shut down because Indian scientists had been heavily involved and the powers that be were afraid of undermining European supremacy.
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subsailor68 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:10:09pm |
re: #116 mrbaracuda
Why tuna fish? :O
Heh. Just thought it'd be fun to end the list with something stupid. Oh, wait, the whole list meets that requirement!
;-)
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Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:10:11pm |
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Adrenalyn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:10:17pm |
re: #120 Honorary Yooper
Funny, but $500,000 for a traffic signal installation, and $1.50/lb for pre-sliced, cooked ham seem like pretty fair uses for our money. Especially the deal on the ham. Wish I could get it that cheap.
so was Drudge lying that Food Lion has the ham at half that price ?
THAT would be worthy of a thread, if he were outright lying
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:10:24pm |
re: #104 Ringo the Gringo
Of course you're right, but why would President Obama want to set the record straight when it's works much more to his advantage to let these folks continue to make fools of themselves in public?
It really would make absolutely no difference, you know. Obama could personally come to each and every 'nirther's home with his full, caligraphed, gold-sealed birth certificate, including his tiny baby footprint, and they'd still claim it was a forgery.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:10:45pm |
re: #6 MikeAlv77
Obama was born... I thought he was hatched in some democratic gene splicing experiment where all the worst parts of the liberal psyche were extracted in placed in him...
//
Another twilight zone episode
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:10:57pm |
I couldn't watch that video. The urge to scream would have been too great.
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Rexatosis Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:11:01pm |
There are three words that should send a chill down any "nirther's" spine (and anyone else's too) and end this waste of time: President Joe Biden. 'snuff said
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:11:21pm |
re: #124 Adrenalyn
so was Drudge lying that Food Lion has the ham at half that price ?
THAT would be worthy of a thread, if he were outright lying
When I clicked on Drudge's link for the Food Lion ad, nothing came up.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:11:23pm |
re: #121 Shiplord Kirel
No doubt you are referring to the widespread claim that Hitler was spirited away to the Moon by Nazi rocket science as the Red Army closed in. Some allege that von Braun and his team simply duplicated this feat at gunpoint for the backward Americans. There is debate over whether the Fuhrer is still alive in his Moon habitat, having lived to 120 because of the invigorating effects of 1/6 gravity.
I am not making this up but I am too lazy to google it and supply a link; and Charles might not allow it anyway.There is also a claim that British team reached the Moon even earlier but the program was shut down because Indian scientists had been heavily involved and the powers that be were afraid of undermining European supremacy.
Actually, I was referring to the ancient Mayan Pyramid that Buzz Aldrin found.
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turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:11:39pm |
re: #79 HoosierHoops
For all you iphone users.. Today only you can download for free the sky Voyager software.. to celebrate the moon landing:
[Link: www.carinasoft.com...]
cool, that link is going to the boys right now. I was playing with turnspawn's iphone Saturday, those things are just way too cool. He's never hiked half dome so we were using google earth to check it out and try and find a campground next month. If you rock the iphone back and forth in google earth it even changes perspective. I'm going to break down and get one of those some day.
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Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:11:40pm |
re: #114 Buck
When you read it, discount the "Smallpox blanket genocide". It was a Hoax, made up entirely by our friend Ward Churchill.
So a better title would be "Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out Being True, Some of Which Might Not Actually Be True After All".
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:12:04pm |
This has probably been discussed before, but there seems to be some basic human instinct to want to look for a hidden, sinister cause behind every bad thing that happens. Perhaps the flip side of the need to credit divine providence or the intercession of angels for good things that happen.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:12:15pm |
re: #124 Adrenalyn
so was Drudge lying that Food Lion has the ham at half that price ?
THAT would be worthy of a thread, if he were outright lying
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keithgabryelski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:12:35pm |
re: #92 Adrenalyn
You seem to want a balance like there are two sides to these stories.
Instead of needing all Charles' threads to be right, wouldn't it be better if they were correct?
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Russkilitlover Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:12:43pm |
re: #120 Honorary Yooper
Funny, but $500,000 for a traffic signal installation, and $1.50/lb for pre-sliced, cooked ham seem like pretty fair uses for our money. Especially the deal on the ham. Wish I could get it that cheap.
They are regular budget items. They're not stimulus and don't belong in any "package."
Subsailor hit on it earlier - it's a shell game to move normal budgetary items onto different books and then produce a budget full of "savings."
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oh_dude Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:12:46pm |
What political party would you say allows more idealogical diversity, Republican or Democrat?
Right now there's a part of Republican party that's knee-deep in "self-policing" mode.
Creationists? Out!
Christians? Out!
Birthers? Out!
etc.
Meanwhile, the democrat party is home to everyone from moderate liberals to raving moonbats. And we're wondering how Obama could have possibly gotten elected. Good luck guys.
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apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:12:50pm |
troofers? nirthers? I'd be interested in seeing a legit certificate, not a substitute. i've heard say that if there wasn't one hillary would have found out, did she find out there was one and passed? I have no doubt this is a deliberate move to wreck America, nobama and there are some very smart, and very dark, people supporting this. Whats so hard about presenting one? I have one or two at home as I bet most of you do to. i'm not a troofer or a nirther, just a curious citizen.
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turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:12:59pm |
re: #113 Mad Al-Jaffee
If we tell you, we'll have to kill you!
*cue ominous music*
Please don't keel me.
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subsailor68 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:13:00pm |
re: #132 taxfreekiller
tfk only did one Burma Shave deal, two of them
did it backwards1. Burma Shave
next
2. Your in a Democrat Controlled world so the signs are backwards.
Hi tfk!! Oops, thought there were more. Heck, there should be - they're a perfect format for some cool satire!
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charpete67 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:13:02pm |
re: #129 Honorary Yooper
When I clicked on Drudge's link for the Food Lion ad, nothing came up.
Is there a Ham conspiracy or did the threads get mixed?...
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:13:22pm |
re: #131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Actually, I was referring to the ancient Mayan Pyramid that Buzz Aldrin found.
Shhhhh! Opsec!
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:13:29pm |
re: #138 Russkilitlover
They are regular budget items. They're not stimulus and don't belong in any "package."
Subsailor hit on it earlier - it's a shell game to move normal budgetary items onto different books and then produce a budget full of "savings."
Then report on that as the story, not the actual cost, but the fact that things are being moved around. There is a difference.
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:13:37pm |
re: #91 Dianna
But how do we spot them? Half the folks who show up for a congress-critter's town meeting look like they need a keeper!
And if you really want to see kooks, check out the crowd at any given city council meeting.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:13:40pm |
re: #124 Adrenalyn
so was Drudge lying that Food Lion has the ham at half that price ?
THAT would be worthy of a thread, if he were outright lying
It's entirely possible someone's selling ham at that price. Grocery stores often run "loss leaders" because they know the kind of people that keep a close eye on that stuff (better known as Moms with Families) often spend $100-$150 a week on food, and getting their business is worth the small loss on the hams.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:14:00pm |
re: #121 Shiplord Kirel
No doubt you are referring to the widespread claim that Hitler was spirited away to the Moon by Nazi rocket science as the Red Army closed in. Some allege that von Braun and his team simply duplicated this feat at gunpoint for the backward Americans. There is debate over whether the Fuhrer is still alive in his Moon habitat, having lived to 120 because of the invigorating effects of 1/6 gravity.
I am not making this up but I am too lazy to google it and supply a link; and Charles might not allow it anyway.There is also a claim that British team reached the Moon even earlier but the program was shut down because Indian scientists had been heavily involved and the powers that be were afraid of undermining European supremacy.
I thought they hid Hitler in the last Apollo mission, and once we got him back they stopped the program, because the goal had been met.
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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Adrenalyn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:14:04pm |
re: #129 Honorary Yooper
When I clicked on Drudge's link for the Food Lion ad, nothing came up.
and that is somehow my fault ?
/seriously, it came up when I tried it
Food Lion of Mountain City, Tn
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Buck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:14:13pm |
re: #121 Shiplord Kirel
No doubt you are referring to the widespread claim that Hitler was spirited away to the Moon by Nazi rocket science as the Red Army closed in. Some allege that von Braun and his team simply duplicated this feat at gunpoint for the backward Americans. There is debate over whether the Fuhrer is still alive in his Moon habitat, having lived to 120 because of the invigorating effects of 1/6 gravity.
Not sure how widespread it is, as I have never heard of it outside of the cartoon series, "Anything can happen On The Moon (shortened to On The Moon)". Animated by Peter Murray Hill of Auriol Productions and available on the website Weebl's Stuff. That is the only place I ever heard of Hitler on the Moon.
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turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:14:14pm |
re: #118 subsailor68
Hi turn!! I'm not really sure either, but taxfreekiller likes to make up Burma Shave signs, so that may be it.
dang, now I'm really cornfused.
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:14:19pm |
re: #114 Buck
When you read it, discount the "Smallpox blanket genocide". It was a Hoax, made up entirely by our friend Ward Churchill.
Ah, no. The "smallpox blanket" story is much older, and is (supposedly) based on some correspondence from a British general in 1740-something. The letter is no longer in its proper box in the British Museum, but that doesn't mean that it's a hoax.
Now, Ward Churchill did, indeed, completely make up an "Army smallpox blanket" story regarding the Mandan Epidemic.
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Wendya Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:14:43pm |
re: #2 Dianna
I have no clue about this. Is anyone really this stupid?
Of course.
Every group has elements the rest wish would just shut the hell up.
This particular agenda just seems to be getting more publicity than usual. Generally, they're just ignored.
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turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:15:18pm |
re: #128 Rexatosis
There are three words that should send a chill down any "nirther's" spine (and anyone else's too) and end this waste of time: President Joe Biden. 'snuff said
Man, you got that right. What an idjit.
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:15:27pm |
re: #121 Shiplord Kirel
Now that is a good consipiracy theory. Reminds me of a sci-fi story I read where the SS had a moon base and strated an intergalactic war when the aliens tried to attack the German flying saucers and they destroyed it. Hitler lived on the moon and was killed when the aliens attacked. The SS gave the terchnology to Amercia so we could win the battle against the aliens...
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Kragar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:16:35pm |
re: #144 Shiplord Kirel
Shhhhh! Opsec!
ALERT! The Fox is in the Henhouse! The Crips are looting the liquor store!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:17:10pm |
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Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:17:22pm |
Well, since the ham thing came up here, again, here's another purchase report from the USDA in 2007.
August 8, 2007
The Agricultural Marketing Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture today purchased 1,084,000 pounds of ham products at a cost of approximately $1,876,000. This product will be used for distribution in Federal food and nutrition programs.
Again notice the date, August 8, 2007. There's many more going back several years. Bottom line is that it was already part of Federal spending and put into the so called stimulus package.
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Buck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:17:45pm |
re: #152 Dianna
Ah, no. The "smallpox blanket" story is much older, and is (supposedly) based on some correspondence from a British general in 1740-something. The letter is no longer in its proper box in the British Museum, but that doesn't mean that it's a hoax.
Now, Ward Churchill did, indeed, completely make up an "Army smallpox blanket" story regarding the Mandan Epidemic.
Not so sure about that, but I am sure about the USS LIBERTY. NOT A CONSPIRACY THAT CAME TRUE!
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keithgabryelski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:17:46pm |
re: #139 oh_dude
What political party would you say allows more idealogical diversity, Republican or Democrat?
Right now there's a part of Republican party that's knee-deep in "self-policing" mode.
Creationists? Out!
Christians? Out!
Birthers? Out!
etc.
Cite one reference where Christians are being pushed out of the GOP for being CHRISTIAN (note: a Christian being ostracized because they were doing something non-Christian or just completely bone-headed does not count)
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calcajun Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:17:48pm |
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pink freud Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:17:50pm |
re: #135 Son of the Black Dog
This has probably been discussed before, but there seems to be some basic human instinct to want to look for a hidden, sinister cause behind every bad thing that happens. Perhaps the flip side of the need to credit divine providence or the intercession of angels for good things that happen.
Internal locus of control vs external locus of control.
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Dreader1962 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:17:53pm |
re: #55 jcm
Speaking of BULLSHIT - isn't the Nirther movement a prime choice for a Penn & Teller episode?
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:18:02pm |
re: #160 EmmmieG
emails?
On the discussion. Some have said they want to see the birth cert. and other things... gonna be fun to get popcorn and watch this one....
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opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:18:10pm |
re: #109 Gus 802
First, I couldn't imagine how Rep. Mike Castle felt while being confronted by a nirther with such an intensity. As usual they tend to go to extremes and this birth certificate "issue" should be put to rest.
Second, it's interesting to note that Rep. Mike Castle (R-Delaware) was one of eight Republican congressmen that voted for the Waxman-Markey Cap-and-Trade Bill.
Mark Kirk is running for the Senate to take Obamas old seat.
He is really now dancing on that vote. He says that the next time that it comes around he will read the whole bill.
There , that's better.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:18:16pm |
re: #149 Adrenalyn
and that is somehow my fault ?
/seriously, it came up when I tried it
Food Lion of Mountain City, Tn
It's not pre-sliced. It's whole smoked ham. The government was buying pre-sliced cooked ham.
Do people bother to read the ads?
It seems the never bother to read the damn things, like where it says "Limit 1" or some such thing.
BTW, next to it is pre-sliced, cooked ham for $3.99/lb.
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:18:31pm |
re: #140 apachegunner
Get a grip.
That was a genuine birth certificate. And it's not my problem if you can't tell that.
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wrenchwench Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:18:50pm |
re: #157 Charles
Here come the Nirthers.
And, sadly, they do kinda look like the rest of us. At least here we can peak into their karma, and their previously expressed opinions are archived.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:18:59pm |
re: #167 MikeAlv77
On the discussion. Some have said they want to see the birth cert. and other things... gonna be fun to get popcorn and watch this one....
Maybe they could invent a time machine, and travel back in time to observe the birth.
No, they'll say the doctor palmed the baby.
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midwestgak Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:19:16pm |
re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
But what about the so called "moon landings"?
////
Conspiracy Theories I'd like to hear:
The Challenger did not explode on 1-28-1986. All aboard had protective gear and parachutes which landed them safely to earth. All are living their lives among us with their families.
Columbia reentered the atmosphere on 2-1-2003. All astronauts are alive and well and living with their families in democratic countries throughout the world.
Conspiracy Theories - are they ever positive?
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Shr_Nfr Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:19:45pm |
I continue to maintain that the birth certificate is probably irrelevant. What I do not consider irrelevant is his affirmation of citizenship at age 18. He had 3 possible legal ways to go. He could have said he was an American citizen and afterwards traveled on an American passport. In that case he is eligible to be POTUS. He could have said he was a citizen of Kenya. I am not sure what the dual citizenship rules are here, so I will take a pass on them. He could have said he was a citizen of Indonesia and traveled to Pakistan on his Indonesian passport. At that point in time, there was no dual citizenship with Indonesia. He thus would not be an American citizen at the moment. The nationality listed on his college applications is thus very important. Likewise, which passport he used when he did his Pakistan visit. The college records should be released so we can put an end to this noise. The fact that he continues to embargo them lends some weight to the fact that he has something to hide. I am not sure he does, but 18 year old self-confessed crack heads sometimes do dumb things to game the system. I would not put it beyond Obama to have this skeleton in his closet. If he does not, he should put an end to stuff and release the applications. He can keep his grades secret if he wishes. Those are of no import as to his qualifications.
I regard the "smuggled in from Kenya" story to have as much credibility as the warming pan story of the Glorious Revolution. But the other facts of the case bear examining.
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jcm Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:19:56pm |
re: #166 Dreader1962
Speaking of BULLSHIT - isn't the Nirther movement a prime choice for a Penn & Teller episode?
Or maybe Myth Busters, that way shit gets blown up.......
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:20:05pm |
re: #162 Buck
Not so sure about that, but I am sure about the USS LIBERTY. NOT A CONSPIRACY THAT CAME TRUE!
I know next to nothing about the USS Liberty. I've read a number of contradictory articles, and it's not my area.
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:20:08pm |
re: #174 EmmmieG
Maybe they could invent a time machine, and travel back in time to observe the birth.
No, they'll say the doctor palmed the baby.
I think aliens were involved... They always are... and like on a previous thread, I watched Knowing with Nick Cage and it sucked.... aliens are always involved...
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subsailor68 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:20:28pm |
My favorite conspiracy theory:
King George III: "I think those pesky colonists are up to something fishy."
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:20:44pm |
re: #139 oh_dude
OK, that's one vote for letting the GOP become the party of raving kooks.
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Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:20:49pm |
re: #168 opnion
Mark Kirk is running for the Senate to take Obamas old seat.
He is really now dancing on that vote. He says that the next time that it comes around he will read the whole bill.
There , that's better.
For a Republican to take Obama's old seat sounds like a challenge. Given his record there might be a chance. Also taking into account the fallout from Blagojevich, et al.
Reading these bills would be nice.
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apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:21:08pm |
re: #171 Dianna
Get a grip.
That was a genuine birth certificate. And it's not my problem if you can't tell that.
the "live certificate of birth" from Hawaii?
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Wendya Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:21:50pm |
re: #176 Shr_Nfr
I continue to maintain that the birth certificate is probably irrelevant. What I do not consider irrelevant is his affirmation of citizenship at age 18. He had 3 possible legal ways to go.
US citizenship isn't dependent on foreign laws. He isn't required to affirm US Citizenship.
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wrenchwench Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:21:52pm |
re: #176 Shr_Nfr
The fact that he continues to embargo them lends some weight to the fact that he has something to hide.
Oh, no. Not you too....
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revobob Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:21:57pm |
re: #158 taxfreekiller
So, if Walmart is as smart as they claim, all week the loss leader there will be .79 cent per lb sliced ham..
like that
Their mailer ad campaign would be one way to undercut the Spammers!
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keithgabryelski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:22:17pm |
re: #140 apachegunner
troofers? nirthers? I'd be interested in seeing a legit certificate, not a substitute.
[Link: www.factcheck.org...]
That certificate is "legit" as in "legal" as in "Obama is a certified America by birth in Hawaii".
You may be referring to the long form certificate (which Hawaii does not give out). It has no extra information on it that would prove/disprove Obama's citizenship that isn't already on the short form.
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debutaunt Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:22:17pm |
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scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:22:20pm |
re: #180 subsailor68
My favorite conspiracy theory:
King George III: "I think those pesky colonists are up to something fishy."
Thanks for the laugh!
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midwestgak Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:22:47pm |
re: #112 charpete67
I think now is the time to throw out a gratuitous "Bush Won"...
Bush won, of course. But he never uttered, "I won."
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:23:17pm |
re: #176 Shr_Nfr
The fact that he continues to embargo them lends some weight to the fact that he has something to hide. I am not sure he does, but 18 year old self-confessed crack heads sometimes do dumb things to game the system. I would not put it beyond Obama to have this skeleton in his closet. .
You're not seriously calling Obama a 'self-confessed crack head' (or a crackhead of any sort), are you?
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:23:35pm |
re: #178 Dianna
I know next to nothing about the USS Liberty. I've read a number of contradictory articles, and it's not my area.
A year or 2 ago, tapes of the aircraft transmissions were released, clearly indicating they thought it was an Egyptian ship.
But the conspiracy nuts will think they were faked.
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Bob Dillon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:23:58pm |
Lou Dobbs joins the nirthers.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:24:08pm |
And then, you read about stuff like this:
One month earlier, Rush Limbaugh made the same remark on his radio show. “Barack Obama has one thing in common with God,” Limbaugh said. “Know what it is? God does not have a birth certificate either.” And Limbaugh may not have been writing his own material, either. At Patriot Depot, a conservative web site that sells books by Glenn Beck and signs designed for anti-tax Tea Parties, buyers can pay $10 to get two bumper stickers that read: “Obama & God Have ONLY ONE THING in Common: NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE! The Difference Is God Doesn’t Think He’s Obama!”According to a salesman for Patriot Depot, the company has sold “hundreds” of this and another birth certificate sticker since advertising them with the conservative opinion sites GOPUSA.com and Townhall.com.
You wonder if the Republican Party will ever be able to get rid of the taint. If anyone is up for making a third party that is center right and fairly libertarian, sign me up.
I'd say the nutcases are immaterial, but I think at some point someone is going to take some potshots at Obama, and all the enablers are going to sit and say, 'but it wasn't us who made him do it' and proclaim their innocence while their objectives are accomplished (If you want a recent example, just look at the murder of George Tiller and the reaction by Operation Rescue and their plans to buy George Tiller's clinic after his murder).
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KansasMom Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:24:31pm |
re: #175 midwestgak
Conspiracy Theories I'd like to hear:
The Challenger did not explode on 1-28-1986. All aboard had protective gear and parachutes which landed them safely to earth. All are living their lives among us with their families.
Columbia reentered the atmosphere on 2-1-2003. All astronauts are alive and well and living with their families in democratic countries throughout the world.
Conspiracy Theories - are they ever positive?
That depends on how you feel about Elvis.
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jcm Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:25:11pm |
Public service announcement for Nirthers.
The State of Hawaii confirmed Pres. Obama's place of birth.That would hold up in any trail.
Obama's mother was a citizen.
That would hold up
.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled drive off the cliff.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:25:39pm |
re: #183 apachegunner
the "live certificate of birth" from Hawaii?
I have several of those for my kids. I have several of the long-forms. I can tell you, right now, because I was, you know, there, that all of those births were on American soil (California, Oregon, Texas) to an American citizen mother. It's just whatever the government sent when I sent a check in to get the certificate for the legal reasons my kids will need them.
(Here's a new idea: Maybe Obama has the original, but in his 18 year-old idiot days* he doodled on it, and doesn't want us to see what he wrote. Or maybe not. I'm just free-associating here.)
*It's allowed to be an 18 year old idiot. It's not allowed to be a 42 year old idiot.
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Lee Coller Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:25:46pm |
Suppose for a moment that tomorrow Obama allowed the state of Hawaii to release his original birth certificate. The response of the Nirthers would be:
A) Oh were satisfied now. Nevermind.
B) That isn't the real original Birth Certificate (I can tell, it would have been in Kenya).
C) Ron Paul
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:26:03pm |
re: #179 MikeAlv77
I think aliens were involved... They always are... and like on a previous thread, I watched Knowing with Nick Cage and it sucked.... aliens are always involved...
No, no, no! It's the Templars and the aliens!
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:26:26pm |
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:26:39pm |
re: #200 Dianna
No, no, no! It's the Templars and the aliens!
Templar Aliens!?!?!? Now this is good conspiracy...!
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Steffan Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:27:22pm |
re: #3 cathypop
nirther idiots! Can this Monday get any worse?
Mondays can always get worse -- it's in the nature of Mondays.
Nirthers, however.....
Give it a fucking rest, morons. The State of Hawaii has officially validated his birth certificate. What the fuck else do you need, idiots?
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Yashmak Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:27:25pm |
What I do not consider irrelevant is his affirmation of citizenship at age 18.
- Shr_Nfr
Assuming for one moment that your concern has merit; what is the goal of your worry about this? Would you really prefer to see Biden occupying his post? Really? There are few elected officials that I find myself preferring Obama to, but Biden would be one of them.
The alternative, of course, would be to what? Negate the election? We'd see violent rioting and deaths nationwide, possibly catapulting us into full-on civil war, with no clear notion what the outcome would be.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:27:29pm |
re: #175 midwestgak
Conspiracy Theories - are they ever positive?
Elvis is really alive?
Bruce Campbell is really Elvis?
:)
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:27:48pm |
re: #183 apachegunner
the "live certificate of birth" from Hawaii?
Yes. Except, of course, that it's a "certificate of live birth."
And if you're going to say it's not a birth certificate, I despair of you, wash my hands of you, and worry that you've been close to one too many Fry's employees.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:28:02pm |
re: #199 Lee Coller
Suppose for a moment that tomorrow Obama allowed the state of Hawaii to release his original birth certificate. The response of the Nirthers would be:
A) Oh were satisfied now. Nevermind.
B) That isn't the real original Birth Certificate (I can tell, it would have been in Kenya).
C) Ron Paul
My guess is that the 'Nirthers and "C" would cry "B" even if "A" was the intent by releasing them.
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keithgabryelski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:28:04pm |
re: #183 apachegunner
the "live certificate of birth" from Hawaii?
another set of words used to confuse you.
The short form birth certificate is THE ONLY certificate offered by Hawaii to people who request their birth certificate. There is no "live certificate of birth" vs "certification of live birth" vs. "birth certificate". They are all the same thing.
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Rexatosis Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:28:17pm |
RE # 140 Apachegunner
Why produce the documentation when you can ignore it, let a segment of your opposition to waste its time focusing on an issue hardly anyone considers germane (or have accepted the vast amount of evidence debunking the issue without the final document) and a segment of the press (talk radio and the internet) report on the "controversy," while the vast majority of the populace just "tunes out" everything "political." All the while you push through the most radical agenda to change the United States economy since FDR (and is probably more radical than FDR) through the "white noise" created by this and other "faux" news stories (Michael Jackson etc.). For a discussion of this type of propaganda see Jacques Ellul, "Propaganda" 1965 (English trans.)
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oh_dude Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:28:21pm |
re: #181 Charles
God no! (we can still say "God" here right?) Charles I'm with you on this. Its a question of holding ourselves to a higher standard. I hope that's your message. All I'm trying to point out is the hard reality of how elections are won and lost. Look at all the Acorn shit that people were trying to point out during the last election or any of the other shady things that were allegedly happening. Was there anyone in the Democrat party that was talking about making sure that they policed themselves internally against that kind of thing? Of course not. Why? Because they didn't give a rat's ass.
All I want to know is what is the plan for defeating a party that will sink as low as possible to get the win?
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:28:30pm |
re: #183 apachegunner
the "live certificate of birth" from Hawaii?
All that proves is that Obama wasn't born a zombie!
/
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:28:36pm |
re: #203 MikeAlv77
Templar Aliens!?!?!? Now this is good conspiracy...!
Conspiracy nutcases won't like it unless it involves Joooos as well.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:28:46pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:28:47pm |
re: #194 bloodstar
I'd say the nutcases are immaterial, but I think at some point someone is going to take some potshots at Obama, and all the enablers are going to sit and say, 'but it wasn't us who made him do it' and proclaim their innocence while their objectives are accomplished (If you want a recent example, just look at the murder of George Tiller and the reaction by Operation Rescue and their plans to buy George Tiller's clinic after his murder).
Yep. Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue, just warned of 'violent convulsions' if the health care bill covers abortions. And he kicked off his campaign against Sotomayor in front of Tiller's clinic. What message is he trying to send? It's pretty clear.
"I believe — if my reading of history from America and around the world is correct — that there are others who will be tempted to acts of violence.
“If the government of this country tramples the faith and values of its citizens, history will hold those in power responsible for the violent convulsions that follow.”
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
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jcm Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:29:19pm |
re: #204 Steffan
Mondays can always get worse -- it's in the nature of Mondays.
Nirthers, however.....
Give it a fucking rest, morons. The State of Hawaii has officially validated his birth certificate. What the fuck else do you need, idiots?
It's all part of the conspiracy dude......
///////
That's the fun part of conspiracies, any fact to disprove the conspiracy? It is created by the conspiracy to fool us.
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Buck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:29:29pm |
re: #140 apachegunner
troofers? nirthers? I'd be interested in seeing a legit certificate, not a substitute. i've heard say that if there wasn't one hillary would have found out, did she find out there was one and passed? I have no doubt this is a deliberate move to wreck America, nobama and there are some very smart, and very dark, people supporting this. Whats so hard about presenting one? I have one or two at home as I bet most of you do to. i'm not a troofer or a nirther, just a curious citizen.
You have one or two original birth certificates at home? Really?
Well, what if your Mother didn't take very good care of it, and lost it....Are you still an American Citizen? Wouldn't you apply for the registered copy and just show it?
The document Obama is showing is his real birth certificate, and HAS been presented outside of DailyKOS.
AND it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. birth and citizenship.
The head of the Health Department in Hawaii has confirmed that the original certificate is the same as the copy, and therefore Obama was born when and where his American family says he was, Kapiolani Hospital, Honolulu.
It has been verified by the state government official who is responsible for the document and it's authenticity.
The state created the document. That makes it his real Birth Certificate. It refers to where he was born as the county of Honolulu.
Hawaii does not, and has never created Birth Certificates that state the place the person was born as Honolulu, when they were not really born there.
In fact they have a rule specifically created to rule out this change of place of birth.
[Link: www.capitol.hawaii.gov...]
"The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth, and that the certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child for whom it is issued or for the adoptive parents"
So the short form copy would not have listed his place of birth as Honolulu.
You might think that Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 would have allowed that.
Well there is no Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178.
Now there is a section 338.17.8. But it covers certificates for those born out of state, not out of the country, and as per Hawaii Revised Statute 338.20.5 it does not change the Place of Birth.
But even if someone wants to argue about that, it doesn't matter because 338-17.8 didn't exist until 1982.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:29:38pm |
re: #214 Honorary Yooper
Whole smoked ham, not pre-sliced, and not known if it is cooked.
Furthermore, that's bone-in, which costs less because you'll throw out the bone.
(Unless you have really, really good teeth.)
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Ben Hur Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:29:51pm |
I think the 9/11 Troofers are infinately more dangerous than Nerth Certifikat kooks.
But the Nirth Certifikat kooks will "dog the the Republicans" waaaay more than the 9/11 Troofers ever could dog the Dems.
It's the MSM, stupid.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:29:52pm |
re: #51 voirdire
You mean to tell me that there is absolutely nothing peebo can do to put this issue to rest?
Why in the world would he want to?
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:29:52pm |
re: #213 Kosh's Shadow
Conspiracy nutcases won't like it unless it involves Joooos as well.
Then it's Temple Aliens, not Templar.
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xRos Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:29:56pm |
Not just an American citizen, but MORE of one even...
[Link: www.mediaite.com...]
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:30:55pm |
re: #203 MikeAlv77
Templar Aliens!?!?!? Now this is good conspiracy...!
It is, isn't it? I wish I could take credit, but I'm afraid it's that nut, Jim Marrs.
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Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:31:04pm |
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Steffan Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:31:33pm |
re: #180 subsailor68
My favorite conspiracy theory:
King George III: "I think those pesky colonists are up to something fishy."
IIRC, he recorded in his diary for July 4, 1776:
"Nothing of importance happened today."
Or words to that effect.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:31:51pm |
re: #218 EmmmieG
Furthermore, that's bone-in, which costs less because you'll throw out the bone.
(Unless you have really, really good teeth.)
Exactly. This is apples and oranges, folks, to compare a bone-in uncooked whole smoked ham price with the price of sliced cooked ham (seem on the right side of the same page at $3.99/lb).
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RunningBare Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:31:57pm |
re: #44 Pianobuff
Is there in the history of conspiracy theories a single one that turned out being true? Just one?
Yes. "New Coke". [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
:p
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:32:02pm |
re: #225 Pianobuff
I thought it was the Bilderbangers.
What are construction worker groupies?
/Karnak off
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keithgabryelski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:32:17pm |
re: #199 Lee Coller
Suppose for a moment that tomorrow Obama allowed the state of Hawaii to release his original birth certificate. The response of the Nirthers would be:
A) Oh were satisfied now. Nevermind.
B) That isn't the real original Birth Certificate (I can tell, it would have been in Kenya).
C) Ron Paul
It is not up to President Obama to allow access to his birth certificate. He has no authority over that certificate. Birthers have an issue with Hawaiian policy (which seems to be the policy of other states, including California where I was born) of not giving direct access to long form birth certificates.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:33:00pm |
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Russkilitlover Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:33:00pm |
re: #214 Honorary Yooper
Whole smoked ham, not pre-sliced, and not known if it is cooked.
I guess I'm just offended that the government would send out pre-sliced ham to anyone in need. It's rotten luck for them. That pre-sliced crap winds up dried out and as tasty as shoe leather. Blech!
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:33:22pm |
re: #228 RunningBare
Yes. "New Coke". [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
:p
"Keough answered all speculation by saying "We're not that dumb, and we're not that smart", as Coke Classic was reintroduced."
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LGoPs Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:33:46pm |
re: #226 Steffan
IIRC, he recorded in his diary for July 4, 1776:
"Nothing of importance happened today."
Or words to that effect.
I'm not trying to nitpick you but with it taking weeks if not months for transatlantic communications George would have known nothing of the happenings of July 4th until much later........
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:34:02pm |
re: #213 Kosh's Shadow
Conspiracy nutcases won't like it unless it involves Joooos as well.
And the Queen of England! We wouldn't like her to feel left out.
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KenJen Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:34:37pm |
re: #221 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Then it's Temple Aliens, not Templar.
Their space ships Illuminati the night sky over Area 51.
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Russkilitlover Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:34:40pm |
re: #218 EmmmieG
Furthermore, that's bone-in, which costs less because you'll throw out the bone.
(Unless you have really, really good teeth.)
Ach! No! The bone is for ham and white bean soup or split pea soup or collards, or Mexican beans......
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:35:30pm |
re: #236 Dianna
And the Queen of England! We wouldn't like her to feel left out.
# Milhouse: The Rand Corporation, in conjuction with the saucer people...
Bart: Thank you.
Milhouse: ...under the supervision of the reverse vampires...
Lisa: Ugh...
Milhouse: ...are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner! We're through the looking glass here, people!
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turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:35:35pm |
re: #214 Honorary Yooper
Whole smoked ham, not pre-sliced, and not known if it is cooked.
Plus you need a MVP card to get the discount. I bet you that piece of ham was crap, wouldn't even feed it to the boob.
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Baier Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:35:43pm |
re: #230 keithgabryelski
It is not up to President Obama to allow access to his birth certificate. He has no authority over that certificate. Birthers have an issue with Hawaiian policy (which seems to be the policy of other states, including California where I was born) of not giving direct access to long form birth certificates.
Obama should build a time machine and provide video evidence of his birth. And that would be simple. All you need to build a time machine is a pack of bubble gum, a Nintendo NES, some bat guano, and a Delorian. Because he wont take these simple steps it is clear he was born in Kenya or wherever.///
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apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:36:24pm |
re: #187 keithgabryelski
[Link: www.factcheck.org...]
That certificate is "legit" as in "legal" as in "Obama is a certified America by birth in Hawaii".
You may be referring to the long form certificate (which Hawaii does not give out). It has no extra information on it that would prove/disprove Obama's citizenship that isn't already on the short form.
thanks for the article, I hadn't read it and it appears I might not be on the right side of this. However, I do believe nobama is purposely in place to take down America.
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debutaunt Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:36:26pm |
re: #207 Dianna
Yes. Except, of course, that it's a "certificate of live birth."
And if you're going to say it's not a birth certificate, I despair of you, wash my hands of you, and worry that you've been close to one too many Fry's employees.
hahahahahahhahahhahahaaaa
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charpete67 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:36:34pm |
I have a theory for consideration....
What if Barack was born in Hawaii, got into politics, the economy turned bad and he was in the right place at the right time to run for president...and then...he got more votes than McCain and is the legal and constitutional president of the united states....
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opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:36:39pm |
re: #182 Gus 802
For a Republican to take Obama's old seat sounds like a challenge. Given his record there might be a chance. Also taking into account the fallout from Blagojevich, et al.
Reading these bills would be nice.
Mark Kirk is actually a good guy. He is a Reserve Naval Aviator who has seen active duty in the WOT.
I think that he will get past this vote. It is too bad that Roland Burris is not running. There is a good chance that Kirks opponent will be a Kennedy, but still have a chance.
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mfarmer1 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:37:16pm |
It's about time we all did this to the nutters of all stripes:
Really, I've just about had enough of the bad craziness.
Happy 40th Anniversary of the Moon landing, Buzz!
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jcm Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:37:21pm |
My original birth certificate no longer exists.
It was destroyed by the state after records where convert to electronic.
I do have a photo copy (the real photo copy method not that new fangled Xerox shit) of the original, it is stamped and notarized as an "official copy" it was good enough for the USAF and security clearance.
I also have a modern print out on a laser form that looks like the same form Hawaii used expect with my state of birth seal, it was printed out from the state's database, and is a legal birth certificate.
It would be impossible for me to produce my "original" birth certificate. I do have two documents certified by the state which care the same legal weight as the "original."
Any nirthers out there think I am not a citizen?
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Adrenalyn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:37:25pm |
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kansas Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:37:43pm |
re: #242 Baier
Obama should build a time machine and provide video evidence of his birth. And that would be simple. All you need to build a time machine is a pack of bubble gum, a Nintendo NES, some bat guano, and a Delorian. Because he wont take these simple steps it is clear he was born in Kenya or wherever.///
It would be too easy to fake, just like the moon landing.// Course Buzz Aldrin would punch your ass out if you said that to him.
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jcm Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:37:54pm |
re: #226 Steffan
IIRC, he recorded in his diary for July 4, 1776:
"Nothing of importance happened today."
Or words to that effect.
What? CNN miss the story?
/;-P
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debutaunt Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:38:39pm |
re: #218 EmmmieG
Furthermore, that's bone-in, which costs less because you'll throw out the bone.
(Unless you have really, really good teeth.)
Don't throw it out until you've made your split pea soup!
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apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:38:43pm |
re: #207 Dianna
Yes. Except, of course, that it's a "certificate of live birth."
And if you're going to say it's not a birth certificate, I despair of you, wash my hands of you, and worry that you've been close to one too many Fry's employees.
no, don't give up on me luv. ima good lizard :>)
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scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:38:46pm |
re: #211 oh_dude
God no! (we can still say "God" here right?)
Many Lizards are people of faith. Your whining snark is misplaced.
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charpete67 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:38:53pm |
re: #250 kansas
It would be too easy to fake, just like the moon landing.// Course Buzz Aldrin would punch your ass out if you said that to him.
I think Obama was born at Stuckey's...
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RunningBare Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:38:54pm |
re: #114 Buck
When you read it, discount the "Smallpox blanket genocide". It was a Hoax, made up entirely by our friend Ward Churchill.
Not entirely accurate. Ward Churchill claimed that the United States government did it to the mandan indians sometime in the 1800s. THAT IS FALSE. However, Lord Amherst, a brit, did it to indians sometime in the 1700s - there is debate whether it was done deliberately or not, but it DID happen. Ward Churchill is a gaping vagina.
Hope this helps.
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:38:58pm |
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Adrenalyn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:39:24pm |
re: #211 oh_dude
God no! (we can still say "God" here right?) Charles I'm with you on this. Its a question of holding ourselves to a higher standard. I hope that's your message. All I'm trying to point out is the hard reality of how elections are won and lost. Look at all the Acorn shit that people were trying to point out during the last election or any of the other shady things that were allegedly happening. Was there anyone in the Democrat party that was talking about making sure that they policed themselves internally against that kind of thing? Of course not. Why? Because they didn't give a rat's ass.
All I want to know is what is the plan for defeating a party that will sink as low as possible to get the win?
you have a point with that last sentence
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apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:39:42pm |
re: #210 Rexatosis
RE # 140 Apachegunner
Why produce the documentation when you can ignore it, let a segment of your opposition to waste its time focusing on an issue hardly anyone considers germane (or have accepted the vast amount of evidence debunking the issue without the final document) and a segment of the press (talk radio and the internet) report on the "controversy," while the vast majority of the populace just "tunes out" everything "political." All the while you push through the most radical agenda to change the United States economy since FDR (and is probably more radical than FDR) through the "white noise" created by this and other "faux" news stories (Michael Jackson etc.). For a discussion of this type of propaganda see Jacques Ellul, "Propaganda" 1965 (English trans.)
quite correct
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:39:50pm |
please let there be some one here who believes this birth certificate conspiracy bullshit. I really need some entertainment right about now.
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oh_dude Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:40:23pm |
re: #254 scottishbuzzsaw
"whining snark" Nope. Witty attempt at humor. Sorry you didn't like it.
I'm a person of faith too.
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Yashmak Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:40:30pm |
re: #248 jcm
My original birth certificate no longer exists.
Man o man, you kenyans are EVERYWHERE! lol
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:40:30pm |
re: #228 RunningBare
Yes. "New Coke". [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
:p
All I know is that the only true Coca-Cola comes in a small green returnable bottle, and costs a dime out of the machine.
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Land Shark Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:41:06pm |
Even the state of Hawaii certifying they have a Hawaii birth certificate on file isn't enough for these nirthers. When I first heard of the birth certificate thing I wanted it to be true because of how bad I believe Obama's presidency will be for the country. However, once the state of Hawaii said they have a birth certificate on file for Obama the issue ceased to matter to me. Unless someone can come up with hard evidence the state of Hawaii lied about this, it's a dead issue.
How this can still be going is proof to me people believe what they want to believe, the facts and real evidence be damned. That Republicans are still spinning their wheels on this shit is frustrating, there is so much they can be going after Obama on which would be much more effective and to the point.
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keithgabryelski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:41:34pm |
re: #243 apachegunner
However, I do believe nobama is purposely in place to take down America.
That is ridiculous.
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apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:41:58pm |
re: #217 Buck
yes Buck, I hadn't read that Hawaii has positively said that they had the real one. some time back that wasn't in the mix. I am over it, better now. OK?
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:42:15pm |
re: #248 jcm
I have that too from New York State. It is a "photo" of the original document. pretty cool actually... and I guess that means I could be president one day....
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charpete67 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:42:40pm |
re: #260 spacejesus
please let there be some one here who believes this birth certificate conspiracy bullshit. I really need some entertainment right about now.
I'm willing to pretend that I do and all of you can beat the shit out of me...
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apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:42:47pm |
re: #217 Buck
and no, not one or two originals but two with the raised stamps as they are being called.
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debutaunt Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:43:01pm |
re: #257 Dianna
Clearly, you know about Fry's employees!
Female shoppers, in particular, don't get a whole lot of respect.
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:43:01pm |
re: #253 apachegunner
no, don't give up on me luv. ima good lizard :>)
Just...stick to noting when Obama's ideas and policies are screwed up - which all too many are - and congratulate him when he gets something right. His ideology isn't to my taste, but I really, really don't see him as possessed of the depth of thought and wiliness to be an evil overlord bent on the destruction of all good and light.
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Adrenalyn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:43:07pm |
can someone point out a few links where a large MSM outlet is mocking the birthbots ?
or even talking about the whole BC issue any more ?
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:43:48pm |
re: #270 debutaunt
Female shoppers, in particular, don't get a whole lot of respect.
That's better than having one pay attention to you! I've felt brain cells dying in job lots in the presence of a Fry's worker!
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:43:55pm |
re: #260 spacejesus
please let there be some one here who believes this birth certificate conspiracy bullshit. I really need some entertainment right about now.
Bored with Monday already?
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:44:35pm |
Off Topic but Breaking
It looks like they've ID and have a picture of Neda's Killer. Nico has the information up on his liveblog.
If this is the guy, I hope he suffers a slower and more painful death than Neda did.
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apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:45:28pm |
re: #248 jcm
and mine is good enought for a TS clearance but you bet I had to present it!
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Yashmak Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:45:44pm |
re: #271 Dianna
Just...stick to noting when Obama's ideas and policies are screwed up - which all too many are - and congratulate him when he gets something right. His ideology isn't to my taste, but I really, really don't see him as possessed of the depth of thought and wiliness to be an evil overlord bent on the destruction of all good and light.
Well said. That's the approach I've been forced to adopt in the wake of his unfortunate victory at the polls.
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:45:51pm |
re: #268 charpete67
I'm willing to pretend that I do and all of you can beat the shit out of me...
Since you're clearly a masochist, I will give you the best answer of all:
No.
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apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:47:15pm |
re: #265 keithgabryelski
That is ridiculous.
and you think all he is doing and the results of same are simple mistakes on his part? give me one good thing this man has done for america will ya? just one.
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Steffan Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:47:44pm |
re: #181 Charles
OK, that's one vote for letting the GOP become the party of raving kooks.
Perhaps those of us who are not raving kooks should consider a new party.
The GOP was a new party itself in its first election in 1858. Two years later, it elected a president.
150 years later, there ain't a lot of people who remember the goals and plans of the Whig party. Nor do they remember the goals and plans of the Copperhead Democrats.
This lack of knowledge needs to be addressed ASAP -- many of the current Democratic leaders can reasonably be called Copperheads. This includes our current president, who may be at the very least the second-most anti-American president in our history (the clear -- so far -- leader died as a member of the Confederate Congress).
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charpete67 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:47:48pm |
re: #278 Dianna
Since you're clearly a masochist, I will give you the best answer of all:
No.
I thought since it was a slow Monday I would at least offer...
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keithgabryelski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:48:24pm |
re: #266 apachegunner
yes Buck, I hadn't read that Hawaii has positively said that they had the real one. some time back that wasn't in the mix. I am over it, better now. OK?
The internets have been won.
What is our prize?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:49:42pm |
(in late, re the post's video)
I've seen better in the circus' center ring, after the same types ... er ... professionals all pile outta that smoke-belching car.
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debutaunt Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:49:46pm |
re: #273 Dianna
That's better than having one pay attention to you! I've felt brain cells dying in job lots in the presence of a Fry's worker!
Very funny!
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apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:50:01pm |
re: #282 keithgabryelski I don't believe I understand your answer.
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snowcrash Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:50:39pm |
Does the White House need to appoint a R. Conspiracy Czar to squelch this nonsense? LOL. Seriously tho, what is up with the name PeeBo? Don't like it.
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pink freud Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:51:31pm |
re: #286 snowcrash
Does the White House need to appoint a R. Conspiracy Czar to squelch this nonsense? LOL. Seriously tho, what is up with the name PeeBo? Don't like it.
The video seems to have originated at world nut daily. Blame them. :-)
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keithgabryelski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:51:37pm |
re: #279 apachegunner
and you think all he is doing and the results of same are simple mistakes on his part? give me one good thing this man has done for america will ya? just one.
We disagree on what policies are good/bad for American. Let's leave those aside.
The claim of yours that I found ridiculous was that President Obama was installed by some force that wishes to "take down America".
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eschew_obfuscation Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:51:46pm |
re: #225 Pianobuff
I thought it was the Bilderbangers.
No, no, no....
If you go to Fudruckers, you can Bilderberger yourself.
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Buck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:51:48pm |
re: #243 apachegunner
thanks for the article, I hadn't read it and it appears I might not be on the right side of this. However, I do believe nobama is purposely in place to take down America.
Well think about this. You are completely wrong about the birth certificate issue. Perhaps you are wrong about the take down america thing as well.
Basically you really need to figure out the difference between Fact and Opinion. Even Evidence and Opinion might need some work.
It is your opinion that Obama is purposely in place to take down America, but you have no evidence or facts to support it. It is just a feeling you have.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own facts.
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apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:51:59pm |
re: #282 keithgabryelski
lets look just above, next to "front page". Cold War Heroes Beg Obama Not to Scrap Missile Defense. You support such? If not, which have you supported?
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Adrenalyn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:52:48pm |
since a couple people posted links to ham costing more than 1.50$ a pound
perhaps instead of parroting the 0bama administration party line
they can also come up with a link to a few examples of where team-0bama actually bought the ham for $1.50 a pound
I read the USDA link and it seems like pure talking points
no real examples to sink my teeth into
who do you believe, 0bama or Drudge ?
and why can't you disbelieve both ?
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apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:54:03pm |
re: #288 keithgabryelski Again, how could a normal American president do as much as he has done, in such a little time, to change America so much and in so many negative ways by mistake or misjudgement?
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keithgabryelski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:54:25pm |
re: #285 apachegunner
it was a joke (not at you) about how serious forum discussions can become.
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apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:55:27pm |
re: #294 keithgabryelski
it was a joke (not at you) about how serious forum discussions can become.
oh, good one :>)
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:55:36pm |
re: #292 Adrenalyn
Oh for fuck's sake, you've been shown where that was uncooked smoked whole bone-in ham and that the feds bought cooked sliced ham. Now because you've been shown to be inaccurate, you're pissed. Just fuck off.
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apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:55:57pm |
now I am going to check all of my down dings and return them to their rightful owners thank you.
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Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:57:07pm |
re: #279 apachegunner
and you think all he is doing and the results of same are simple mistakes on his part? give me one good thing this man has done for america will ya? just one.
Drone attacks?
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Steffan Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:58:15pm |
re: #214 Honorary Yooper
Whole smoked ham, not pre-sliced, and not known if it is cooked.
Smoked ham doesn't necessarily have to be cooked. The smoking process cooks and cures the meat. At least AFAIAC. YMMV.
You wanna give me a smoked ham, sliced or not? Hey, I have a Swiss Army knife and I know how to use it. I just hope you have more hams for other people. This one is MINE. Don't even consider that I'm gonna share.
:p
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Adrenalyn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:58:40pm |
re: #297 Honorary Yooper
Oh for fuck's sake, you've been shown where that was uncooked smoked whole bone-in ham and that the feds bought cooked sliced ham. Now because you've been shown to be inaccurate, you're pissed. Just fuck off.
you should really tone it down
I am only pointing out the pettiness of posters such as you
even Drudge links to the USDA rebuttal of his "attacks" as you may call them
but the USDA provides no proof and you accept it as gospel from the messiah
just because I point out something that has no proof it's my fault
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keithgabryelski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:00:32pm |
re: #293 apachegunner
Again, how could a normal American president do as much as he has done, in such a little time, to change America so much and in so many negative ways by mistake or misjudgement?
We disagree on "how much" and "how negative" they ways America has changed since President Obama's inauguration.
Let's not argue about those.
Let's talk about what kind of force would be required to install a puppet in to the White House and why controllers of such a puppet would want harm to come to something they control so readily.
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Buck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:00:38pm |
re: #256 RunningBare
Not entirely accurate. Ward Churchill claimed that the United States government did it to the mandan indians sometime in the 1800s. THAT IS FALSE. However, Lord Amherst, a brit, did it to indians sometime in the 1700s - there is debate whether it was done deliberately or not, but it DID happen. Ward Churchill is a gaping vagina.
Hope this helps.
What happened? That natives got Small Pox? Certainly... That the White man used known infected blankets, supposedly to spread the disease? Even you state that it is not certain.
I am still calling it bullshit. That along with the story about the USS Liberty, and the OK bombing.... AS presented in that article as conspiracies that turned out to be true. I say at least these three are not.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:01:13pm |
re: #302 Adrenalyn
The USDA provided a cost and a quantity of ham, as well as what the ham was. We checked with grocery ads to compare the price paid. You and others (including Drudge) show up with something that does not directly compare. We show you are wrong to compare apples and oranges. I get this in return.
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cubbydave44 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:01:13pm |
Wow, embarrassing... Not only was what that woman was saying just plain crazy, her voice was like nails on a chalk board...!
I consider myself "conservative," but, I do not know how much longer myself and others like me will be able to associate with political party that tolerates (or even encourages) this type of kooky behavior.
What this country needs is an inspirational and outspoken "Independent" leader to step up and attract disaffected individuals (i.e. non-kooks) from both parties (both representatives and voters) to truly represent the average American.
Thanks, I rarely ever post anything, but seriously, this nonsense needs to stop...
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Buck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:03:03pm |
re: #269 apachegunner
and no, not one or two originals but two with the raised stamps as they are being called.
Well the one Obama is displaying has the raised stamp as well. Only the original will make a Nirther happy, and we postulate that once out of the vault, the chain of evidence will be broken, and the nirthers will cry forgery.
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scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:03:38pm |
re: #305 Honorary Yooper
Would you like Tylenol or Advil?
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avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:04:07pm |
re: #218 EmmmieG
Furthermore, that's bone-in, which costs less because you'll throw out the bone.
(Unless you have really, really good teeth.)
Don't confuse Drudge with the facts, it spoil the scandal.
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apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:05:04pm |
re: #303 keithgabryelski
We disagree on "how much" and "how negative" they ways America has changed since President Obama's inauguration.
Let's not argue about those.
Let's talk about what kind of force would be required to install a puppet in to the White House and why controllers of such a puppet would want harm to come to something they control so readily.
your right about the required force to install such a person but were the thought there initially, see saul alinsky and bill ayers, and they accidently fell into it, they have the ability to pull it off, see acorn, see nobamas patriot corps with funding as big as the military, see any number of things, and it could be done exactly as they are doing it.
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jordanwilliam23 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:05:19pm |
this is tiresome...your idea of the gop base is different from that of most people
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Adrenalyn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:05:41pm |
re: #305 Honorary Yooper
The USDA provided a cost and a quantity of ham, as well as what the ham was. We checked with grocery ads to compare the price paid. You and others (including Drudge) show up with something that does not directly compare. We show you are wrong to compare apples and oranges. I get this in return.
first, glad you're toning it down
I am on the same side for the most part
but I am merely in disagreement with the whole premise of "is Drudge lying" ? I don't really think so
his headlines are sensational
but not even a bit misleading to me because of the ........
meaning more to the story
then we got mired in detail flaming here
when that is not really my gripe with this
but I'll say sorry to aggravate you anyway
I only like to debate, not incite
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apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:06:29pm |
re: #307 Buck
Well the one Obama is displaying has the raised stamp as well. Only the original will make a Nirther happy, and we postulate that once out of the vault, the chain of evidence will be broken, and the nirthers will cry forgery.
buck, i've already agreed your side was probably right.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:06:33pm |
A ham sandwich sure sounds tasty right about now.
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nikis-knight Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:07:54pm |
Frankly, I don't care whether Obama is a citizen or not, though I'll presume yes. The time to certify that is before allowing his name on the ballots; after the election it is too late, folks. I mean, if we suddenly found out that FDR was born in Korea, would that mean that he wasn't a president?
The problem isn's that Obama shouldn't have been on the ballot, it is that so many American's voted for him, and throwing him out won't change the fact that more than half the country is open to radical socialist experimentation.
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RunningBare Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:08:03pm |
re: #304 Buck
What happened? That natives got Small Pox? Certainly... That the White man used known infected blankets, supposedly to spread the disease? Even you state that it is not certain.
I am still calling it bullshit. That along with the story about the USS Liberty, and the OK bombing.... AS presented in that article as conspiracies that turned out to be true. I say at least these three are not.
Well, the letters written between the participants detail a pretty incredible plan to use smallpox infected blankets and handkerchiefs to spread the disease amongst the indians near Fort Pitt. In fact, one letter says "... we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect."
However, some people refuse to believe it occurred, thus the debate.
Unfortunately, Ward Churchill has now tainted this because of HIS LIES and HIS FALSEHOODS - the only reason for the debate, really, is because Churchill lied his ass off.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:08:37pm |
re: #312 Adrenalyn
but I am merely in disagreement with the whole premise of "is Drudge lying" ?
Neither I nor anyone else accused Drudge of "lying."
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quiet man Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:08:48pm |
re: #311 jordanwilliam23
I agree with you..we have a few conspiracy kooks....and it hardly helps that we on the right were previously punk'd by John Kerry.
This will be like the libs shouting about Bush's military service...debunkt time and again, yet always raising up it's ugly head here and there.
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Adrenalyn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:12:29pm |
re: #317 Charles
Neither I nor anyone else accused Drudge of "lying."
well, we have to disagree on this then
I just think too many are making a big dal over his headline. To me it seems a stretch that anyone would believe 2lb of ham cost that much
spacejesus must be MIA today for me to get this "attention" ?
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keithgabryelski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:12:48pm |
re: #310 apachegunner
your right about the required force to install such a person but were the thought there initially, see saul alinsky and bill ayers,
I can understand hate for Bill Ayers -- he seemed like quiet a dick, but he seems hardly like a threat right now. In any case, we agree that Bill Ayers is a turkey.
Saul Alinsky is dead, so he seems like even a smaller threat -- but I never understood why people are angry with him. Seems like the best kind of Democracy, that from the grass roots.
and they accidently fell into it, they have the ability to pull it off, see acorn, see nobamas patriot corps with funding as big as the military, see any number of things, and it could be done exactly as they are doing it.
I see both of them. Please tell me where fundamental problems with either.
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avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:14:14pm |
re: #286 snowcrash
Does the White House need to appoint a R. Conspiracy Czar to squelch this nonsense? LOL. Seriously tho, what is up with the name PeeBo? Don't like it.
If they did, and Charles took the position, would we agree he is qualified, or toss him to the curb ? I'd love to see someone like that in such a position, as long as they could call bull shit on the left too. A sort of Media Matters, without the bias.
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cubbydave44 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:14:22pm |
re: #306 cubbydave44
You know what, one more thing:
I can GUAR-AN-TEE this: if Obama's father was an immigrant from let's say England, France, or German (even Russia), there wouldn't be any of this nonsense whatsoever.
So, I am going to go ahead and put this out there: I would bet that these people that question his birth are mostly racist.
There, I said it...
I am sure that some might not be, but, for those of you who are "nirthers", do a gut check and ask yourself, "What if his father was from Europe...?" If you would still hate him, then I apologize, but, either way, this does nothing to lessen the impression of the majority of black voters that the Republican party is full of racists...
Thank you.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:15:48pm |
re: #202 lawhawk
Shank portion. This is the lower part of the leg. The old phrase "eating high on the hog" comes into play here - the shank portion has a lot more bone and connective tissue - and a lot less meat - than the unfortunately named but higher quality butt portion above it.
Once again: not all hams are created equal.
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keithgabryelski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:17:03pm |
re: #318 quiet man
This will be like the libs shouting about Bush's military service...debunkt time and again, yet always raising up it's ugly head here and there.
Exactly, 40 years from now I'll be bidding "3 hearts" as my partner and opponents arguing "that man was never a citizen and never MY president"
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poteen Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:20:43pm |
His mother was born in Kansas. It wouldn't matter if he was born on Venus, he is a US citizen by law.
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kilroy Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:22:13pm |
How many military officers will be redeployed when they challenge the authority of their commander in chief.
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Land Shark Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:24:08pm |
re: #315 nikis-knight
I don't know if what you say about more than half the country being open to radical socialist experimentation is true. Obama did not campaign as the radical socialist he seems to be governing as, instead he campaigned as a centrist. I recall several of his speeches where he sounded positively Reaganesque. I'm seeing some people who voted for him saying they would not have voted for him had they known what he was really going to be like. It's one reason his poll numbers are dropping like they are as more and more of the radical socialist behind the moderate mask starts to reveal himself.
There's no question there's a lot people who are open to radical socialist experimentation, though. And unfortunately, they are in charge with no one to restrain them. I figure the 2010 mid term election will be our first indication if the majority of the people are indeed open to radical socialist experiments, I suppose.
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Steffan Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:27:33pm |
re: #217 Buck
As it happens, I have two b/c's from the great state of Missouri.
The first is a photocopy of the original document, with a raised seal to show that it is a certified copy. I used this to get a passport in 1976.
The second is a certified summary of my birth information, printed on bank paper. The bank paper makes it certifiable. I got this a couple of years ago.
Both are absolutely valid proof of my age and citizenship.
The original of my b/c was microfilmed long years ago. The information on it was digitized relatively recently. What the state of Missouri chooses to issue is legal and valid proof of my age and citizenship.
The same is true of Barack H. Obama. If what the state of Hawaii says is his legal b/c happens to say that he was born in Hawaii, end of story. There is no story here. The Nirthers do not have a case.
In fact, the Nirthers are raising the bar on "utter fucking fool" by even mentioning this question.
Do we have to bitchslap every single one of them to get them to drop this question?
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Son of the Black Dog Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:30:24pm |
re: #290 Buck
Well think about this. You are completely wrong about the birth certificate issue. Perhaps you are wrong about the take down america thing as well.
Basically you really need to figure out the difference between Fact and Opinion. Even Evidence and Opinion might need some work.
It is your opinion that Obama is purposely in place to take down America, but you have no evidence or facts to support it. It is just a feeling you have.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own facts.
If Obama's agenda isn't to take the US down, by at least a few pegs, he's doing an awfully good job of faking it.
IMHO, the agenda of the leaders of the Democrat party is to destroy the American middle class, by any means necessary.
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nikis-knight Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:31:01pm |
re: #327 Land Shark
Maybe you're right, but I have the comfortable pessimism that enough American's are eager for soft despotism to make the point of whether or not Obama will be the one to bring it moot.
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keithgabryelski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:31:06pm |
re: #325 poteen
His mother was born in Kansas. It wouldn't matter if he was born on Venus, he is a US citizen by law.
that's not totally true. There are twisty rules about who is a citizen of the USA if one parent is a citizen, the other isn't a citizen, and the baby is born on foreign soil. The amount of time the parent spent in/out of American soil be part of that equation.
It doesn't matter BECAUSE President Obama's birth certificate has been presented.
All other things are "ANDS" and "BUTS"
... BUT, what if he was born in kenya -- he wasn't
... AND, the Hawaiian DOH confirmed his citizenship -- good story bro, but not required.
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keithgabryelski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:34:15pm |
re: #326 kilroy
How many military officers will be redeployed when they challenge the authority of their commander in chief.
what are you getting at?
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Lawrior Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:38:45pm |
re: #326 kilroy
How many military officers will be redeployed when they challenge the authority of their commander in chief.
If by "redeployed," you mean "sent to the brig after an AWOL conviction," I would guess it is probably just this one.
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snowcrash Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:40:39pm |
re: #321 avanti
I was kidding about Conspiracy Czar. The media is supposed to do that job. Just the facts, no advocacy journalism.
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Land Shark Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:42:23pm |
re: #330 nikis-knight
Sadly, I think you have a very valid point. I see plenty of people who feel entitled to things paid by others. Let's face, the educational system has been run by or at least heavily influenced by socialist types for a long time so there's already a large base of people conditioned to entitlement and class envy.
And unlike the people who hang out here at LGF, too many people seem content to buy what the MSM feeds them with looking in to it or questioning it. I think the MSM has played a major role in hiding the truth about Obama to get him elected and help him peddle his snake oil to the nation.
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poteen Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:44:12pm |
re: #331 keithgabryelski
By the statutes in place in 1961 and after the changes of 1986, born to an American mother and a technically British father, he qualifies every which way.
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snowcrash Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:45:41pm |
re: #326 kilroy
Have you lost your mind? Military swears an oath of enlistment. Google it. He is the commander in chief.
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Kilroy Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:56:27pm |
There was a recent challenge by an Air Force officer to Afghanistan deployment based on Obama's lack of authority. The officer was deployed elsewhere rather than required to follow his original orders. I was a legal officer and the details actually do matter.
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jamgarr Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:00:20pm |
Are we dealing with a vast right-wing conspiracy conspiracy?
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keithgabryelski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:00:59pm |
re: #338 Kilroy
There was a recent challenge by an Air Force officer to Afghanistan deployment based on Obama's lack of authority. The officer was deployed elsewhere rather than required to follow his original orders. I was a legal officer and the details actually do matter.
yes, the details do matter.
One detail being that he was an army reservist, not air force:
[Link: chicagoist.com...]
Another detail being that he was a volunteer and could revoke such, the Army rescinded his orders of deployment to Afghanistan on those grounds alone (not any sort of confirmation that the claims the officer made were legitimate).
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1 US Sheeple Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:01:58pm |
How can anyone state with certainty that Obama is a citizen or is not a citizen?? There is no proof one way or the other.
The only response to those that proffer that he is not a citizen is to state: they are crazy, loony, etc. Yeah, that is real proof.
This is the usual liberal name calling campaign that we are very familiar with.
Can anyone give me a rational explanation why we do not know whether Obama is a citizen or not?? I would like to see it because so far it has been only name calling for those that ask for evidence.
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Kenneth Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:05:50pm |
Nirth Cert Got Burnt in Building 7!
Da Twoof is out there!
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Kenneth Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:08:38pm |
re: #338 Kilroy
So the officer accepted his orders to deploy somewhere other than Afghanistan? If so, that undermines the officer's claim that Obama has no legal authority as CinC. If Obama is not legally C in C, it doesn't matter where this officer is deployed, overseas or at home.
There is something fishy about this case.
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Land Shark Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:09:20pm |
The oath of enlistment I took in 1975 to join the USAF, in addition to the promise to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, includes the oath to follow orders from the President of The United States as well as all officers apointed above the inductee. So obeying the President,whoever he/she might be, is something you swear to when you join. That's it.
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keithgabryelski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:11:39pm |
re: #342 1 US Sheeple
How can anyone state with certainty that Obama is a citizen or is not a citizen?? There is no proof one way or the other.
Yes and how can I be sure that matter in the form of a wall is always hard. Maybe if I bang my head hard enough against it I will discover a different form of matter no one else has ever seen?
Basically, you are claiming there is no absolute truth and I say that is nonsense. We get a close enough to the truth as is possible.
One truth: That wall will hurt if I bang my head against it.
Another truth: Hawaii holds President Obama's birth certificate and President Obama has shown a copy of it which is the only document required to prove one's birth in the United States.
The only response to those that proffer that he is not a citizen is to state: they are crazy, loony, etc. Yeah, that is real proof.
People get sick of answering the same questions and assume, sometimes, that the next person that asks the same question is exactly the same as the previous person that asked the question.
It is "the straw that broke the camels back" phenomenon. Understandable in a lot of circumstances.
This is the usual liberal name calling campaign that we are very familiar with.
Can anyone give me a rational explanation why we do not know whether Obama is a citizen or not?? I would like to see it because so far it has been only name calling for those that ask for evidence.We know. People choose to ignore the evidence.
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Land Shark Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:16:36pm |
re: #342 1 US Sheeple
To me, after the state of Hawaii stated they have a birth certificate in file for Obama, the burden of proof is on those who don't believe he's a citizen. Unless they can show real evidence the state of Hawaii lied and made it up, to persist on this issue is nothing less than conspiracy theory craziness.
Nirthers, if you show me that the state of Hawaii lied about Obama's birth certificate I will become one of you. Until then, please go away. Thanks.
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flyovercountry Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:17:02pm |
RE: #342 1 US Sheeple
Here it goes, Obama has produced a birth certificate. It has been rejected, because it is not an original. It is however, a legal form of an Hawaai birth certificate. I was born in West Virginia. I am not certain that I would be able to produce any different form of a birth certificate than President Obama. This does not mean that I am not a U.S. citizen. This is why the burden of proof is always on the prosecution, because it is darn near imposible to prove innocense. If I told you that the universe was created by fuzzy purple bunnies, would you pray to them until somebody was able to prove this false. The answer is of course not. To show just how rediculous these claims are, not one has been heard, and avoided a quick tossing from court. There is no evidence to back up the claims made.
That being said, why not take this energy being spent on a foolish excercise, and use it to illustrate President Obama's complete incompetence? Why not use it to campaign and fight against his stealth movement of our country to marxism? Why not use this energy to fight against his dissasterous foreign policy?
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:32:13pm |
re: #22 Shiplord Kirel
It already has.
The *spit* Moon landing denialists *spit* are naturally out in droves today, with a notably large infestation at Free Republic.
Moon hoaxery has yet to take on a solid political dimension but given the rabid anti-science and general stupidity of certain factions in the GOP, I would not be surprised if it soon does. How long before a GOP candidate or some minor office holder decides to test the waters with some choice weasel words, they might "support an investigation" because "questions have been raised"?
This would be pretty ironic historically, not that I would expect these idiots to know anything at all about that "suspect" field of study. At the time, of course, it was the political and cultural left that attacked Apollo, though few outside the drug culture were so foolish as to deny that it had happened at all.
I specifically remember the conformist hordes at some big pop festival booing and jeering when the news of the Moon landing was announced. (I thought for years that this was the Newport Jazz Festival but that can't be right because the 1969 NJF was a few days earlier than the Moon landing.)
We should send Buzz Aldrin round to kick their ass.
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DistantThunder Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:34:56pm |
I'm assume that Obama is a citizen of the US and that his long-form birth certificate shows the name of the delivering physician, and is intact and accurate.
However, I believe Obama is unethical in his failure to publicly release that record, and his school records because his lack of candor gives the appearance of impropriety.
The appearance of impropriety is an impropriety.
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keithgabryelski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:41:25pm |
re: #350 DistantThunder
I'm assume that Obama is a citizen of the US and that his long-form birth certificate shows the name of the delivering physician, and is intact and accurate.
However, I believe Obama is unethical in his failure to publicly release that record,
There is no form to fill out to retrieve a copy of your long-form birth certificate from Hawaii.
Again, it is NOT POSSIBLE to retrieve your long form birth certificate from Hawaii using normal procedures.
This is not a crisis of ethics on President Obama's part.
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ihateronpaul Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:56:45pm |
I heard mark levin referencing this garbage a few days ago. Something along the lines of "is he from indonesia? YEAH I SAID IT!" (emphasis his, not mine). SIGH.
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ihateronpaul Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:57:27pm |
re: #350 DistantThunder
I'm assume that Obama is a citizen of the US and that his long-form birth certificate shows the name of the delivering physician, and is intact and accurate.
However, I believe Obama is unethical in his failure to publicly release that record, and his school records because his lack of candor gives the appearance of impropriety.
The appearance of impropriety is an impropriety.
I think you asking far too much from politics. LOL.
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Hawaii69 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 3:08:28pm |
re: #326 kilroy
How many military officers will be redeployed when they challenge the authority of their commander in chief.
Depends on how many are patently dishonest about the details of their "case". Orly Taitz and Maj. Stephan Cook set this ruse up from the beginning.
Major Cook contacted Taitz back in February 2009, saying he would like to join her class action suit against Obama because he was a military officer who didn't believe Obama was the the legitimate Commander in Chief.
Then, in May 2009, Major Cook volunteered for a tour of duty in Afghanistan. He was a Reservist.
One has to question why a Reservist who didn't believe Obama was legitimate would volunteer for active service.
Why? To set up this entire charade witi Orly Taitz. When his orders came through in June, he and Taitz immediately publicized that Cook was being sent to Afghanistan by an illegitemate Commander in Chief.
Fact is, he had no obligation to go, since he had volunteered. All he had to do was submit a request to have the orders cancelled. Instead, Taitz filed a restraining order agianst the military to keep him from having to go. The military finally got sick of this garbage and cancelled his orders themselves.
A day later Taitz declared "victory" and said this set a precedent for any soldier to question the legitimacy of Obama's military directives.
Nothing but a carefully orchestrated game to generate publicity, and spread false information.
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descolada9 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 3:27:34pm |
I have never, do not now, and will never give any credence to the nirthers and discredit all of the lunacy that they are shoveling. IMHO, they do not represent the general membership of the right. And I would really, really love it if they would just go away!
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1 US Sheeple Mon, Jul 20, 2009 3:47:31pm |
Oh my, what a rebuttal...the birth certificate has already been revealed!! It was on the Internet. Wow, that is all the proof that any reasonable person would need right?? NOT!!
Have any of you heard of the procedure called: PHOTOSHOP!!
What is wrong with having the hospital where Obama claims he was born, produce the document.
Maybe they cannot produce this document!! Just a thought for all of you libs out there.
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Yashmak Mon, Jul 20, 2009 3:58:03pm |
re: #356 1 US Sheeple
Oh my, what a rebuttal...the birth certificate has already been revealed!! It was on the Internet. Wow, that is all the proof that any reasonable person would need right?? NOT!!
Have any of you heard of the procedure called: PHOTOSHOP!!
What is wrong with having the hospital where Obama claims he was born, produce the document.Maybe they cannot produce this document!! Just a thought for all of you libs out there.
Yes, because Charles Johnson has such a long history of letting photoshops go unnoticed. Do you even READ this site? I'd assume if you did, you'd be aware that outing photoshops is something Charles really enjoys doing.
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flyovercountry Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:03:30pm |
Re: # 356 1 US Sheeple
While I appreciate your passion, I must insist you are way off your kidney. First off, I am a conservative. I just also happen to posess the ability to reason. Obama did not present a photocopy of a birth certificate. When he filed his candidacy paperwork, he produced a document which contained the impression of the State of Hawaii seal. This is a legal document according to any court in the United States of America. This document is used as a birth certificate for millions of Americans. How many times will it take to have courts all over America laugh your side out of the court room before you will accept this as being done. This argument of yours will not find any legs, or make any difference, except to have most Americans believing that all of us conservatives are idiots because of the few morons pushing this nonsense. Obama is an American, albeit an incompetent, self loathing, poor public servant. Please spend your considerable energy on arguments which have a chance of removing these dangerous people from power. America could use your help.
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mcaplan6102 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:04:55pm |
I always thought the easiest way to respond is that there was a birth announcement in the Hawaii newspaper for Obama's birth. Do these wackos really believe that there was some conspiracy hatched 40+ years ago?
This Honolulu Advertiser announcement of Barack Obama's Aug 4, 1961 birth was published August 13, 1961 on page B-6.
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ihateronpaul Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:24:54pm |
I think the soliders wanting to leave the military because of obama are completely unpatriotic.
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greengolem64 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:37:23pm |
re: #62 calcajun
Because they tried to kill everyone in one night-- pretty damned obvious. There's a host of British and French assassination attempt conspiracies as well.
But., Oswald acted alone. We landed on the Moon five times. 9/11 was an act of terrorism and BHO was born in Hawaii and is a US Citizen. Period.
Uh...6 Moon landings...
Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, and 17.
Interesting that we made it from posting 62 to 360 something without a 'check' on that...
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Hawaii69 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:25:49pm |
re: #356 1 US Sheeple
Oh my, what a rebuttal...the birth certificate has already been revealed!! It was on the Internet. Wow, that is all the proof that any reasonable person would need right?? NOT!!
Have any of you heard of the procedure called: PHOTOSHOP!!
What is wrong with having the hospital where Obama claims he was born, produce the document.Maybe they cannot produce this document!! Just a thought for all of you libs out there.
No one with a legitimate claim has asked for access to to what is a private document.
Private citizens claiming "we have the right to see it!" does not constitute such a legitmitate claim.
The director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, and the State Registrar of Vital Statistics have both come out and confirmed the authenticity of his Hawaii
Birth Certificate. These are employees of Governor Linda Lingle. The Republican Governor of Hawaii who endorsed both Bush 2004 & McCain 2008.
This took place 8 months ago
[Link: www.kitv.com...]
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Greengolem64 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:02:10pm |
re: #362 Hawaii69
No one with a legitimate claim has asked for access to to what is a private document. Private citizens claiming "we have the right to see it!" does not constitute such a legitmitate claim. The director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, and the State Registrar of Vital Statistics have both come out and confirmed the authenticity of his Hawaii Birth Certificate. These are employees of Governor Linda Lingle. The Republican Governor of Hawaii who endorsed both Bush 2004 & McCain 2008. This took place 8 months ago [Link: www.kitv.com...]
But...but...they are in on the conspiracy...don't you see?? :) ///s
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pingjockey Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:06:10pm |
re: #360 ihateronpaul They are volunteers as was I. It is their right to leave the service after their time is up.
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landline Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:24:30pm |
Charles, So the presumption on LGF these days is that Republicans are, for the most part, irrational religious fanatics, but Democrats are sane, practical, and levelheaded? Why are you contending that this video represents the Republican "base"? Are you not panting with a rather broad brush? Where is the outrage over Obama's 30 plus czars, the lack of transparency, the short shifting of Israel on the settlements, the decision by justice not to prosecute those thugs in Philadelphia for voter intimidation, the politicization of the Census, etc.. The ratio of Republican bashing to Democrat bashing is probably 10 to 1 on here now. Why the dramatic change since the inauguration?
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:03:38pm |
re: #365 landline
Charles, So the presumption on LGF these days is that Republicans are, for the most part, irrational religious fanatics, but Democrats are sane, practical, and levelheaded? Why are you contending that this video represents the Republican "base"? Are you not panting with a rather broad brush? Where is the outrage over Obama's 30 plus czars, the lack of transparency, the short shifting of Israel on the settlements, the decision by justice not to prosecute those thugs in Philadelphia for voter intimidation, the politicization of the Census, etc.. The ratio of Republican bashing to Democrat bashing is probably 10 to 1 on here now. Why the dramatic change since the inauguration?
I think you need to read LGF on a more regular basis. Both parties are given equal time with respect to criticism.
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RalphShort Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:12:04pm |
He produced a "live birth certificate". That certificate only told us he was born in Hawaii. It does not provide the hospital, the doctor, the time. There has to be other information there about how the "birth certificate" was generated. Why does he not allow that to be made public.
FYI, several times in my past I have had to obtain my birth certificate (copy actually) from Pa. records. In each and every case it showed the hospital, the time of birth and the attending physician. I suspect that if he was born in a hospital in Hawaii it will also show much or all of that information. My personal belief is if he released the original certificate it will create more questions because it will not show the details. At the time of his birth Hawaii allowed people to obtain a certificate on their word so long as it was within a year of the birth of the child. At least that is my understanding of their law at the time.
To me all of that does not matter except he will not release the details and the only reason for that is there is something incriminating or embarrassing. Those that are insisting on it being released are in my view in the right. McCain released his.
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landline Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:46:18pm |
re: #366 eclectic infidel
Really? Please cite me some recent examples of criticism of Obama, Democrats or the far left?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:58:26pm |
As usual, when the thread starts to get old and they know they won't have to face as much opposition, the Nirthers and LGF-bashers come out to play.
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Buck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:58:16pm |
re: #367 RalphShort
At the time of his birth Hawaii allowed people to obtain a certificate on their word so long as it was within a year of the birth of the child. At least that is my understanding of their law at the time.
Your understanding IS WRONG!
Hawaii does not, and has never created Birth Certificates that state the place the person was born as Honolulu, when they were not really born there.
In fact they have a rule specifically created to rule out this change of place of birth.
[Link: www.capitol.hawaii.gov...]
"The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth, and that the certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child for whom it is issued or for the adoptive parents"
So the short form copy would not have listed his place of birth as Honolulu.
You might think that Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 would have allowed that.
Well there is no Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178.
Now there is a section 338.17.8. But it covers certificates for those born out of state, not out of the country, and as per Hawaii Revised Statute 338.20.5 it does not change the Place of Birth.
But even if someone wants to argue about that, it doesn't matter because 338-17.8 didn't exist until 1982.
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johnnygriswold Tue, Jul 21, 2009 5:19:03am |
So, if I have doubts about Obama's citizenship, and I'm a Republican, that makes me a "Nirther"?
I look at it this way: If I have nothing to hide, I don't hide it. It's not nudie pictures that people want to see...
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RalphShort Tue, Jul 21, 2009 5:20:55am |
Re:370
Buck, [Link: nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com...]
According to what I have read a person can have a "delayed birth certificate" issued so long as it is within the 1st year. As I understand it this was for births attended by mid wives or other personnel not affiliated with a hospital. I also understand that his birth was announced in two papers within days of his birth which would argue that it was not delayed. It really does not matter to me whether it is delayed or not, the only thing that peaks my curiosity is he will not release the original documents.
By the way I am not a conspiracy type person, Oswald acted alone, we did land on the moon, the earth is round, etc., etc. However, I find it troubling our dear leader will not release the original documents so I have to ask the question, what is he hiding.
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keithgabryelski Tue, Jul 21, 2009 8:15:37am |
re: #371 johnnygriswold
So, if I have doubts about Obama's citizenship, and I'm a Republican, that makes me a "Nirther"?
After reading all the information in this thread and all the references to the evidence presented by President Obama that he is a citizen AND if you still have doubts about his citizenship, well, then -- yes, yes you are a birther.
I look at it this way: If I have nothing to hide, I don't hide it. It's not nudie pictures that people want to see...
You have been lied to. President Obama has released his birth certificate. It has been verified by independent third parties. It has been authenticated by the head of the hawaiian department of health.
[Link: www.factcheck.org...]
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keithgabryelski Tue, Jul 21, 2009 8:26:55am |
re: #372 RalphShort
Re:370
Buck, [Link: nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com...]
According to what I have read a person can have a "delayed birth certificate" issued so long as it is within the 1st year. As I understand it this was for births attended by mid wives or other personnel not affiliated with a hospital. I also understand that his birth was announced in two papers within days of his birth which would argue that it was not delayed. It really does not matter to me whether it is delayed or not, the only thing that peaks my curiosity is he will not release the original documents.
By the way I am not a conspiracy type person, Oswald acted alone, we did land on the moon, the earth is round, etc., etc. However, I find it troubling our dear leader will not release the original documents so I have to ask the question, what is he hiding.
You have been given misinformation. Obama has released his birth certificate.
[Link: www.factcheck.org...]
There are two types of birth certificates in Hawaii: the short form and the long form.
In Hawaii, when someone requests a copy of their birth certificate they receive the short form birth certificate with a seal embossed on the paper.
[Link: hawaii.gov...]
The long form of the birth certificate has more information on it than the short form (Doctor's name, maybe a footprint of the child) but none of the information on the long form that DOESN'T exist on the short form is needed to verify citizenship.
Also, in Hawaii, there is no mechanism to retrieve a copy of your long form birth certificate. Read that again: President Obama has no normal mechanism to retrieve a copy of the long form.
In addition, the head of Hawaii's Department of Health verified that President Obama's birth certificate is on file and the information on it coincides with the information on the short form certificate that has been released.
In short: President Obama has provided proof of citizenship. It has been verified by independent third parties. He is a citizen of the USA.
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keithgabryelski Tue, Jul 21, 2009 8:41:38am |
re: #367 RalphShort
He produced a "live birth certificate". That certificate only told us he was born in Hawaii. It does not provide the hospital, the doctor, the time. There has to be other information there about how the "birth certificate" was generated. Why does he not allow that to be made public.
Read the thread before posting. In particular, search for keywords you are using in your message (in this case "live birth").
or here is a pointer: re: #209
FYI, several times in my past I have had to obtain my birth certificate (copy actually) from Pa. records. In each and every case it showed the hospital, the time of birth and the attending physician. I suspect that if he was born in a hospital in Hawaii it will also show much or all of that information.
What is true for Pennsylvania is not true for Hawaii. President Obama has released the birth certificate he received from the Hawaiian Department of Health that he requested.
My personal belief is if he released the original certificate it will create more questions because it will not show the details. At the time of his birth Hawaii allowed people to obtain a certificate on their word so long as it was within a year of the birth of the child. At least that is my understanding of their law at the time.
You are mistaken. The head of Hawaii's department of health has verified the long form birth certificate is in their records and that all the information on it coincides with the information on the certificate President Obama has released. The DOH and the governor of Hawaii have both stated "He is a citizen"
To me all of that does not matter except he will not release the details and the only reason for that is there is something incriminating or embarrassing. Those that are insisting on it being released are in my view in the right. McCain released his.
President Obama has released the only birth certificate he could from Hawaii. There is no mechanism in Hawaii to retrieve a copy of the long form birth certificate.
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