For the next hour or so they ran up to lay the bright coins on the hot steel rails, scrambled back to a safe distance to wait for a train, and then, after the spaceship-looking train had come rushing out of the station and howled past and begun to diminish in the west, tiptoed out to the track where the giant had passed and tried to find the featureless copper ovals.
— Tim Powers, “Last Call”
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Sharmuta Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:24:28pm |
156 people logged in @ the moment and no one has anything to say.
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:25:54pm |
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The Left Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:26:08pm |
re: #2 Sharmuta
156 people logged in @ the moment and no one has anything to say.
What, that's news?
///
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Kragar Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:27:35pm |
Just wanted to say my posting is going to be limited for the next couple weeks. Studying for a major certification I need to work and trying to cut out all distractions till I pass. I'll check in from time to time but studying needs to be my main priority right now. Be back to my regular postings in a few weeks hopefully.
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MrPaulRevere Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:29:12pm |
I'm listening to a replay of Limbaugh's show he's doubling down on the 'Democrats are like Nazi's' meme. A total embarrassment, this man.
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:29:59pm |
re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Good idea. I had to take my most recent recertification test twice because I wasted too much time (LGF + other distractions) before taking it the first time and failed by 1 point. It was infuriating, and costly.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:32:45pm |
re: #10 Wasta
What type of certification?
CISSP, Certified Information Systems Security Professional
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Irish Rose Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:33:02pm |
Just finished reading through the last of today's threads.
Good grief, what a day... some lizards were positively cannibalistic.
BTW, did we come to a concensus on the f word?
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:34:01pm |
re: #7 MrPaulRevere
I'm listening to a replay of Limbaugh's show he's doubling down on the 'Democrats are like Nazi's' meme. A total embarrassment, this man.
I stopped listing to talk radio around the "I hope he fails!!!" thing (which, although I *get* what was meant, saying it in that manner was monumentally stupid) and rediscovered this stuff called... I think "moosick" or something like that. My commutes are less stressful.
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equable Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:34:07pm |
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The Left Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:34:47pm |
re: #12 Irish Rose
Just finished reading through the last of today's threads.
Good grief, what a day... some lizards were positively cannibalistic.BTW, did we come to a concensus on the f word?
Yeah, liberals shouldn't use it because people faint then.
That's about it.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:36:21pm |
Off to bed now, getting to bed earlier and watching my sleep more too. Passing this could open a lot of oppurtunities for me and my family. Later Lizards.
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Irish Rose Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:36:24pm |
re: #17 iceweasel
Yeah, liberals shouldn't use it because people faint then.
That's about it.
But you can use it if you're a conservative... got it.
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Wasta Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:37:38pm |
Anyone attending town hall meetings this week?
If so, what state, rep's name, and their expected vote/viewpoint?
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MrPaulRevere Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:40:01pm |
re: #13 ArchangelMichael
I used to listen to him because he was somewhat entertaining and I was tired of the narrative the national media seemed to push. He lost me when he went on a rant one day about how he hated school and college isn't necessary for success. While that maybe accurate on a micro level, the macro narrative he was pushing was decidedly anti-education.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:42:35pm |
I kinda wish I'd have to willpower to stay away from LGF on my vacation. Some of the posts I've read today have skyrocketed my blood pressure.
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The Left Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:42:57pm |
re: #19 Irish Rose
But you can use it if you're a conservative... got it.
Right. And if you're a conservative who is well known for using 'fuck' as every third word, you get to piously lecture the filthy, filthy libs about teh shameful act of saying "fuck" and the harm they committed on the lizard community by so doing.
In other words...the usual.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:44:10pm |
re: #22 TheMatrix31
...eh? How so. I didn't read LGF much today... but it seemed like a normal day, no?
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MrPaulRevere Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:44:51pm |
re: #23 iceweasel
Give me the short version, whom was jumping on who?
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Irish Rose Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:45:08pm |
Glad to see you're still posting, ice... I was concerned that you might not be after the vicious flogging that you took this morning. Don't let those people discourage you, your opinion here is just as valid as anyone elses' and I welcome your input.
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Irish Rose Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:47:25pm |
re: #23 iceweasel
Right. And if you're a conservative who is well known for using 'fuck' as every third word, you get to piously lecture the filthy, filthy libs about teh shameful act of saying "fuck" and the harm they committed on the lizard community by so doing.
In other words...the usual.
I saw that, unfreakingbelievable.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:47:37pm |
re: #24 freetoken
...eh? How so. I didn't read LGF much today... but it seemed like a normal day, no?
I don't know. The last thread I guess...I scanned it (I'm on my phone) and some posts just made me want to throwmy phone at the wall. Certain posters, news stories, you name it.
Maybe I'm just annoyed because I'm loving my trip because it feels like I'm at home with myself but then I realize I'm around a couple of my friends who maintain the typical Los Angeles douchebaggery.
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:48:25pm |
re: #21 MrPaulRevere
I used to listen to him because he was somewhat entertaining and I was tired of the narrative the national media seemed to push. He lost me when he went on a rant one day about how he hated school and college isn't necessary for success. While that maybe accurate on a micro level, the macro narrative he was pushing was decidedly anti-education.
That is true for a very narrow range of career options. Of that narrow range, jobs that are actually worth a damn, or likely to exist in the future are even smaller. You have to be motivated, risk tolerant, and very "do it yourself" and most people are not.
I heard the same bullshit from a Paulian a few weeks ago. Ranting about how college was a scam and you don't really need it to make it through life. Since Paulian's want to put us back in the 1890s industrially and monetary policy wise, I guess it made sense in his warped world view where we all should be working in factories to make "things" or our economy is a joke. This was part of his greater rant about how ALL credit is bad, even student loans and real estate. I wonder where he thinks scientists and engineers are going to come from.
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Irish Rose Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:48:40pm |
re: #22 TheMatrix31
I kinda wish I'd have to willpower to stay away from LGF on my vacation. Some of the posts I've read today have skyrocketed my blood pressure.
You and me both.
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:49:48pm |
re: #23 iceweasel
Right. And if you're a conservative who is well known for using 'fuck' as every third word, you get to piously lecture the filthy, filthy libs about teh shameful act of saying "fuck" and the harm they committed on the lizard community by so doing.
In other words...the usual.
"Pour the fucking beer! Here's to your FUCK! Let's fuck! I'll fuck anything that MOVES!"
/Frank Booth
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The Left Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:50:02pm |
re: #27 Irish Rose
Glad to see you're still posting, ice... I was concerned that you might not be after the vicious flogging that you took this morning. Don't let those people discourage you, your opinion here is just as valid as anyone elses' and I welcome your input.
cheers Rose.
If not for you and the courage of a stubborn few, the weasel would be lost. ;)
Fuck them. And I mean it with all sincerity.
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Sharmuta Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:52:40pm |
re: #30 ArchangelMichael
I wonder where he thinks scientists and engineers are going to come from.
Easy there, Tiger. Can't be asking people to think through their positions. ///
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Irish Rose Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:53:14pm |
re: #33 iceweasel
Sadly, I was away from home on a PC that was wrestling with one of Charles' scripts and making it nearly impossible for me to post. Had I been able to, the discussion would have been a lot more, uh... lively. If you catch my drift.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:54:02pm |
re: #29 TheMatrix31
I don't know. The last thread I guess...
Were there any flounces?
I was only around for a few minutes in the late afternoon... seemed like the normal controlled chaos to me.
The internet and especially the internet forums/blogs have become a venting system... probably worthy of several soc/psych PhD theses... I don't take it very personally. Heck, people don't even know who I am in reality.
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Syrah Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:54:38pm |
re: #33 iceweasel
cheers Rose.
If not for you and the courage of a stubborn few, the weasel would be lost. ;)
Fuck them. And I mean it with all sincerity.
Never saw you for a quitter. I can't imagine you letting a few over the top tirades get the best of you.
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Irish Rose Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:55:12pm |
re: #36 freetoken
Were there any flounces?
I was only around for a few minutes in the late afternoon... seemed like the normal controlled chaos to me.
The internet and especially the internet forums/blogs have become a venting system... probably worthy of several soc/psych PhD theses... I don't take it very personally. Heck, people don't even know who I am in reality.
Check yesterdays' overnight open thread.
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The Left Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:55:20pm |
re: #26 MrPaulRevere
Give me the short version, whom was jumping on who?
Fuckwits jumping on me. Basically.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:56:18pm |
re: #36 freetoken
Were there any flounces?
I was only around for a few minutes in the late afternoon... seemed like the normal controlled chaos to me.
The internet and especially the internet forums/blogs have become a venting system... probably worthy of several soc/psych PhD theses... I don't take it very personally. Heck, people don't even know who I am in reality.
Didn't notice anything.
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MrPaulRevere Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:56:59pm |
re: #30 ArchangelMichael
I've had it with Luddite utopians who want to take us back to a glorious past that never existed. Of course this type of thinking is fertilizer for the uneducated.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:57:41pm |
re: #38 Irish Rose
Check yesterdays' overnight open thread.
What happened? Help someone whos on a top-of-the-line phone that still can't perfectly handle LGF!
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Summersong Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:58:11pm |
"For the next hour or so they ran up to lay the bright coins on the hot steel rails, scrambled back to a safe distance to wait for a train, and then, after the spaceship-looking train had come rushing out of the station and howled past and begun to diminish in the west, tiptoed out to the track where the giant had passed and tried to find the featureless copper ovals".
— Tim Powers, “Last Call”
Don't ask me how I know, but people don't do as much of that as they used to. And, btw, blue sea glass is more beautiful than red.
~Collector of things~
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Irish Rose Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:58:31pm |
Ice is a moderate, and we have a group of conservative gang bangers on the morning DT's who would prefer that she not be here.
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sngnsgt Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:59:59pm |
I wonder... I am disabled, I have Epilepsy. Today, I received my Medicare card and I'm covered under part A and part B. What is Barry-care going to do to my Medicare?
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:00:18am |
Guess I'll just have to use my imagination lol.
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:02:28am |
re: #39 iceweasel
Fuckwits jumping on me. Basically.
My agree/disagree ratio with you is about 30/70 I think. I know meatbags in the realworld that I call "best friends" who are probably closer to the 20/80 or lower.
Don't let anyone "run you off" from here. That's the prerogative of Charles and Charles alone.
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:02:30am |
re: #45 sngnsgt
I wonder... I am disabled, I have Epilepsy. Today, I received my Medicare card and I'm covered under part A and part B. What is Barry-care going to do to my Medicare?
It will cover "Hope and Change."
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MrPaulRevere Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:05:04am |
re: #36 freetoken
"normal controlled chaos". Most definitely rotating title material.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:05:08am |
I went to rhe Federal Reserve Bank in KC today. Maybe Obama and his idiots can go there on a field trip to learn a thing or two about our economic history.
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:05:34am |
re: #45 sngnsgt
I wonder... I am disabled, I have Epilepsy. Today, I received my Medicare card and I'm covered under part A and part B. What is Barry-care going to do to my Medicare?
I think it's something like this:
Rightwing Moonbat answer: "Leo 21, Begin Carousel."
Leftwing Moonbat answer: "You'll get everything for free and it will be wonderful, here's a unicorn to go with that."
Actual Honest Answer, best guess: "Don't know yet, probably nothing."
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Aye Pod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:08:55am |
I was taking a stroll down memory lane and came across one of my old posts from the beginning of february:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Disappointed Republicans today announced the start of a four year "virtual bitch-in" in response to Obama's election. "Sitting in front of our computers for four years bitching about everything he does and everything that people say about him may not be the whole answer, but it's about all we can think of at the moment" said spokesperson Robert Nadir.
"With the republicans currently in such a hopeless, directionless mess, making predictions of impending Obama-doom and spinning every event in the most negative way possible is the only thing that's keeping us going." he continued. "Frankly, it's either that or take our own lives."
Lifelong republican Susan Trough thinks the right shouldn't be limited to her colleagues' virtual solution. "It's not all about packing out online discussion forums and wallowing in a swill of our own collective bile. We also encourage our members to get out there and indulge in armageddon like fantasies. Collecting guns and ammo is for these people a healthy outlet for their frustrations, and makes them feel like they're really doing something constructive for the future."
Other republicans are getting creative with the application of satire. One such - John Downer, who runs a print shop in Lynchburg VA, has come up with the idea of printing Obama's face on the inside bottom of coffee mugs. "A lot of my republican customers, like myself, have been experiencing feelings of powerlessness since Obama took office, and needed something to help them to feel politically relevant again. Now, with my range of Obama coffee mugs, every time you pour yourself a hot drink, it's like you are pouring boiling water directly onto his face. Between that and the caffeine it's a real pick-me-up."
Finally, and perhaps most radical of all, some forward thinking republicans are considering having another go with Sarah Palin at the next Election, this time as Presidential candidate. "I think we'll see her mature and be able to handle simple questions without making everyone present bite their knuckles in shame by the time the next campaign begins. This is what we call fresh thinking." says David Newlow.
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:10:19am |
re: #50 TheMatrix31
I went to rhe Federal Reserve Bank in KC today. Maybe Obama and his idiots can go there on a field trip to learn a thing or two about our economic history.
The Federal Reserve Bank in San Francisco had a $100,000 dollar note on display. Woodrow Wilson's portrait was on it. They have a permanent currency exhibit.
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Irish Rose Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:10:24am |
Between the religious gang bangers here at LGF, the religious thugs and bullies over at Deuce, and the theocrats, racists and bullies over at Malkins' my general opinion of religious conservatives over the last few months has taken a real header.
Add it to the low opinion that I already had of fundamentalist Christians, one that is based on personal experience, and I'm disgusted to the point where I may never walk into a church again.
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MrPaulRevere Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:11:02am |
re: #39 iceweasel
The problem as I see it, is that a lot of folks don't really know how to debate, and lash out in frustration. You seem to actually know how to debate and it drives folks nuts.
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sngnsgt Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:11:25am |
re: #51 ArchangelMichael
I think it's something like this:
Rightwing Moonbat answer: "Leo 21, Begin Carousel."
Leftwing Moonbat answer: "You'll get everything for free and it will be wonderful, here's a unicorn to go with that."
Actual Honest Answer, best guess: "Don't know yet, probably nothing."
I hope not, I'd rather be able to say, I have medicare, I'm not covered under Barry-care.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:11:40am |
re: #1 Sharmuta
Desecrating money- the nerve.
Speaking of which... Whenever you come across a bill that has Geithner's signature on it, write
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Irish Rose Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:11:43am |
re: #55 MrPaulRevere
The problem as I see it, is that a lot of folks don't really know how to debate, and lash out in frustration. You seem to actually know how to debate and it drives folks nuts.
Bingo.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:13:04am |
re: #53 Syrah
The Federal Reserve Bank in San Francisco had a $100,000 dollar note on display. Woodrow Wilson's portrait was on it. They have a permanent currency exhibit.
They had forty million bucks on display, with some of those crazy perspective facts that were tossed aeound during the stimulcrapackage.
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:14:05am |
re: #56 sngnsgt
I hope not, I'd rather be able to say, I have medicare, I'm not covered under Barry-care.
They will muck it all up. They never leave a program alone. Expect changes.
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equable Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:15:27am |
God I am bored and this medicine I am on has me hella giddy.
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:16:15am |
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MrPaulRevere Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:18:24am |
re: #54 Irish Rose
When the church involves itself into the affairs of government, both the church and the government are corrupted. Rev.'s Wright and Falwell are perfect examples.
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The Left Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:18:39am |
re: #52 Jimmah
"I think we'll see her mature and be able to handle simple questions without making everyone present bite their knuckles in shame by the time the next campaign begins. This is what we call fresh thinking." says David Newlow.
This is an extraordinarily hilarious and acute post, as is to be expected by you...I think this last bit may be slightly off. The knuckles may not be bitten, but the insides of cheeks will be desperately gnawed.
You may domit me!
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The Left Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:21:16am |
re: #55 MrPaulRevere
The problem as I see it, is that a lot of folks don't really know how to debate, and lash out in frustration. You seem to actually know how to debate and it drives folks nuts.
Thanks. I do notice some of my most ardent haters are people I merely proved wrong,, politely, with links, etc, and who now skulk around frantically downdinging me. It's weird as hell to me.
Thank again.
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Equable Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:21:47am |
Dammit, a friend asked me to install my webcam so I can talk to them on MSN messenger... so I do and they disappear.
I am so annoyed.
As if anyone cares. Ah fuggit it's beer-thirty anyway. Cheers!
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:22:30am |
re: #62 equable
God I am bored and this medicine I am on has me hella giddy.
Keep a cool head. Medical silly sauces can be fun and dangerous. When everything seems OK, it is dangerously possible to do something very regrettable.
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Summersong Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:22:36am |
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freetoken Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:23:34am |
Thought: LGF is often characterized as a "conservative" blog (inaccurate IMO), and Politico put LGF on the "Belt of Reagan" in its constellation of political websites...
Many of us here prefer to thing of it as the anti-"idiotarian" blog (btw, if you look up "anti-idiotarian" in Wikipedia you are directed to... Charles Johnson's webpage!)
A term that is relatively new in this field, and which some are trying to establish, is Agnotology.
It is a difficult term to further modify though... I don't know if LGF should be called an Agnotology blog, or an anti-Agnotology blog... since I don't know if this place (the sum total of LGF) really studies the spread of cultural ignorance, or attempts to fight it.
/English - it ain't what it used to be.
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Equable Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:23:39am |
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:24:07am |
re: #41 MrPaulRevere
I've had it with Luddite utopians who want to take us back to a glorious past that never existed. Of course this type of thinking is fertilizer for the uneducated.
I've also had it with the utter disdain some have in certain circles of the "right" and Ron Paulestine for intellectualism in general. There are some who are arrogant elitists and some who are just phony baloney con artists, but a complete disdain for education, knowledge, academia, science etc is asinine and not warranted. Complain about arrogance from the intelligent but arrogant person, not about the intelligent part.
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sngnsgt Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:25:16am |
re: #61 Syrah
They will muck it all up. They never leave a program alone. Expect changes.
I'm sure they will, I'm trying to get things I need done before the Barry-care disaster happens.
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:26:30am |
re: #74 sngnsgt
I'm sure they will, I'm trying to get things I need done before the Barry-care disaster happens.
Speed is of the essence.
Barry-care will pass.
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sngnsgt Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:27:45am |
re: #75 Syrah
Speed is of the essence.
Barry-care will pass.
I have several appointments to make in the morning to avoid the rush.
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:27:51am |
re: #70 freetoken
I was under the impression that the study of ignorance was called "Sociology".
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:27:53am |
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:29:56am |
re: #70 freetoken
Thought: LGF is often characterized as a "conservative" blog (inaccurate IMO), and Politico put LGF on the "Belt of Reagan" in its constellation of political websites...
Many of us here prefer to thing of it as the anti-"idiotarian" blog (btw, if you look up "anti-idiotarian" in Wikipedia you are directed to... Charles Johnson's webpage!)
A term that is relatively new in this field, and which some are trying to establish, is Agnotology.
It is a difficult term to further modify though... I don't know if LGF should be called an Agnotology blog, or an anti-Agnotology blog... since I don't know if this place (the sum total of LGF) really studies the spread of cultural ignorance, or attempts to fight it.
/English - it ain't what it used to be.
Interesting.
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The Left Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:31:04am |
re: #78 ArchangelMichael
I was under the impression that the study of ignorance was called "Sociology".
DING!
As one of my first uni profs said to me...Don't take sociology, you will hate it. It's the study of idiots, by idiots, and taught to idiots.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:31:30am |
I have another lady bug visitor. Excuse me while I place her outside.
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Irish Rose Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:31:36am |
Well dear friends, I'm off to get some sleep.
Tommorrows' another day... gird yer loins.
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:34:03am |
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The Left Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:34:28am |
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sngnsgt Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:35:04am |
re: #75 Syrah
Speed is of the essence.
Barry-care will pass.
I went to see my Neuro this morning, and they said they're already planning for the rush of new patients under Barry-care. They told me it's good I'm already a patient with they're office because it's going to take new patients with Barry-care forever to get appointments. They scheduled appointments for me for the next year.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:37:07am |
re: #72 ArchangelMichael
I've also had it with the utter disdain some have in certain circles of the "right" and Ron Paulestine for intellectualism in general. There are some who are arrogant elitists and some who are just phony baloney con artists, but a complete disdain for education, knowledge, academia, science etc is asinine and not warranted. Complain about arrogance from the intelligent but arrogant person, not about the intelligent part.
Oh- the anti-intellectual movement encompasses all of that. Somehow "intellectual" has become conflated with leftist/socialist/marxist, and not meant for folks on the right (like VDH or Sowell). It's very much anti-Enlightenment.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:40:31am |
re: #70 freetoken
I think LGF fights it, but there's also study involved in that.
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:48:10am |
re: #87 Equable
Vista "Ultimate".
Yep. Just did a quick google on webcams and vista. It looks like you are in for some frustration.
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:49:15am |
re: #89 Sharmuta
Oh- the anti-intellectual movement encompasses all of that. Somehow "intellectual" has become conflated with leftist/socialist/marxist, and not meant for folks on the right (like VDH or Sowell). It's very much anti-Enlightenment.
I've become politically agnostic again, as far as parties are concerned. I didn't sign up for anti-intellectualism. I knew this would happen. There were reasons that from the time I was 18 until I was 28 that I never voted. Even during that short time I got sucked into conspiracy land via the LP, I knew that I was a square peg in a round hole in any political party. Every one of them has one or more dealbreakers. My post 9/11 flirting with the Republicans in spite of the "fundies" that scared me off in the first place has pretty much come to an end now. Unless the democrats rediscover what the word "liberal" actually means and tells the Marxists to take a hike, I'm not giving them anything but the finger either.
Back to square one... at least I left myself registered "non-partisan" the whole time I've been registered to vote.
I still believe everything from this: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
That is why I am who I am politically, but unless they shape up and buy a clue or three, I'm done with looking the other way when it comes to asinine bullshit from the Republicans.
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Equable Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:49:42am |
re: #91 Syrah
Aye I got it to work but it was quite the epic battle. And all for naught!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:50:41am |
My mom's computer has Vista. Easily the biggest POS I have dealt with. I have 2 laptops and one is 6 years old and has 2000, my other one is 2 years old with XP. I love XP.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:57:31am |
re: #92 ArchangelMichael
Ah- but see what you did back then?
I think they need to crack a damn history book (written by someone who isn't a academia elite Marxist that is) and see what giving governments and elites absolute power has brought about for thousands of years.
It's become so pervasive, we don't even see when we're doing it. In his forward to his book A Conflict of Visions, Thomas Sowell says we will do everything for our vision except think about it. This, for me, is the real danger in anti-intellectualism- people not thinking through their own thoughts because thinking leads to the unimaginable crime of intellectualism.
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SixDegrees Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:57:45am |
re: #88 sngnsgt
I went to see my Neuro this morning, and they said they're already planning for the rush of new patients under Barry-care. They told me it's good I'm already a patient with they're office because it's going to take new patients with Barry-care forever to get appointments. They scheduled appointments for me for the next year.
Hardly surprising. The current medical system is saturated to capacity - that's how free markets work, after all. They're remarkably efficient at eliminating waste. There aren't any doctors and nurses sitting around waiting for new patients; there are just enough to meet current demand.
Add to that demand, and you create shortages of care. Just that simple, and impossible to avoid. And with the medical training pipeline stretching over roughly ten years for doctors, more for specialists, it'll be a decade before that shortfall in service is eliminated.
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:57:47am |
re: #94 Cannadian Club Akbar
My mom's computer has Vista. Easily the biggest POS I have dealt with. I have 2 laptops and one is 6 years old and has 2000, my other one is 2 years old with XP. I love XP.
Vista requires a duel CPU and a minimum of 2 gigs of ram. It will almost work with that. Anything less than that and it will drag its butt like a hungover fratboy at 6am in the morning.
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:59:56am |
re: #95 Sharmuta
I don't believe that to be inconsistent with my #72. I specified Marxist in it, I didn't just say "intellectual."
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Equable Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:00:31am |
re: #97 Syrah
This machine is a twin E8500 with 8 gigs of RAM... sli cards, the works.
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sngnsgt Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:01:30am |
re: #96 SixDegrees
My appointments now are every other month. I have a difficult case of Epilepsy. I get blood drug levels checked every other week, at least I can get that done at the office without an appointment.
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:03:31am |
re: #95 Sharmuta
Ah- but see what you did back then?
It's become so pervasive, we don't even see when we're doing it. In his forward to his book A Conflict of Visions, Thomas Sowell says we will do everything for our vision except think about it. This, for me, is the real danger in anti-intellectualism- people not thinking through their own thoughts because thinking leads to the unimaginable crime of intellectualism.
I wonder if the reluctance to think about one's vision may stem from the fear that if it is looked at too closely, one may become less certain of one's worldview.
It takes a certain level of a sense of self to be able to challenge your own worldview. I think that many people lack that and the thought of challenging their own worldview is more than they can stand.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:04:17am |
re: #96 SixDegrees
I have actually looked into training to be a medical biller, just as a fall back. Probably not a bad idea considering all that in front of us. Plus, not expensive and not a long schooling.
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SixDegrees Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:04:41am |
re: #100 sngnsgt
My appointments now are every other month. I have a difficult case of Epilepsy. I get blood drug levels checked every other week, at least I can get that done at the office without an appointment.
Sorry to hear that. Chronic diseases and their constant maintenance are no fun.
Personally, I've been packing in as much medical poking and prodding as I can, in anticipation of looming lack of service in the near future. Better to get anything taken care of now that I can, I think, rather than wait until my surgeon is putting in 80 hour weeks to keep up with bloated demand.
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:05:10am |
re: #99 Equable
This machine is a twin E8500 with 8 gigs of RAM... sli cards, the works.
It should be able to hobble along just fine, except for that "Microsoft" problem.
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SixDegrees Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:06:31am |
re: #102 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have actually looked into training to be a medical biller, just as a fall back. Probably not a bad idea considering all that in front of us. Plus, not expensive and not a long schooling.
There is no doubt that at least some areas of medicine are near-permanent growth areas. Doctors salaries, maybe not so much. But the support infrastructure will always be required.
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sngnsgt Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:06:51am |
re: #103 SixDegrees
That's why I'm getting my ducks all in a row now.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:08:29am |
re: #98 ArchangelMichael
I hope you didn't think I was trying to be hard on you. I do consider the bolded part to be typical anti-intellectual rhetoric, but the problem is it's so common on the right- we don't even see it as such. Until I started reading and thinking about my vision- I didn't see this in myself either. I think a lot of us are engaging in this without realizing it.
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:13:00am |
re: #108 Sharmuta
No I didn't think so, but I want to make sure it is clear that my dislike for historians such as Howard Zinn for example, is not because he's an academic, or an intellectual, but because he is an unapologetic Marxist.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:18:18am |
re: #101 Syrah
I wonder if the reluctance to think about one's vision may stem from the fear that if it is looked at too closely, one may become less certain of one's worldview.
It takes a certain level of a sense of self to be able to challenge your own worldview. I think that many people lack that and the thought of challenging their own worldview is more than they can stand.
Absolutely. Most people don't like to have their worldview challenged, and fewer still go looking to challenge it intentionally. I'm getting a feeling, however, that this avenue might lead to the other curious element we suspect to be bonding with N2- the opposite of N2L3.
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freetoken Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:18:54am |
... scrambled back to a safe distance to wait for a train, and then, after the spaceship-looking train had come rushing out of the station and howled past and begun to diminish in the west ...
For tonight's inflight entertainment we present trains, rushing out of the station and diminishing into the west:
(as usual, double click, go to full screen with HD On to get the full effect.)
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:26:58am |
re: #110 Sharmuta
Absolutely. Most people don't like to have their worldview challenged, and fewer still go looking to challenge it intentionally. I'm getting a feeling, however, that this avenue might lead to the other curious element we suspect to be bonding with N2- the opposite of N2L3.
N2 is I think the more dangerous side of the molecule in that it can toxify pretty much anything that it can bond with. Even it was bonded to something between the two extremes, it would still be just as lethal.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:28:28am |
re: #113 Syrah
I can taste that second Nobel, can't you? ;)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:29:18am |
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:29:24am |
re: #114 Sharmuta
I can taste that second Nobel, can't you? ;)
I have already spent my half of the prize money.
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:29:49am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:30:57am |
re: #117 Syrah
Play the game. Make your guess.
Well, L3 is probably the media and the such. I figure N 2 is neocon?
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:32:29am |
re: #118 Cannadian Club Akbar
Well, L3 is probably the media and the such. I figure N 2 is neocon?
(Narcissistic - Nihilism.) == N2
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:33:39am |
re: #119 Syrah
OK. Now how do I make the little 2?
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:36:10am |
re: #120 Cannadian Club Akbar
OK. Now how do I make the little 2?
Magic.
(Don't ask what happens when a wizard hooks up with N2. It involves Horcruxes and a bunch of other crazy stuff just too heavy for the LNDT)
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:37:43am |
One of those N's is a problem that F2CB2HO has as well.
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:39:03am |
re: #118 Cannadian Club Akbar
Well, L3 is probably the media and the such. I figure N 2 is neocon?
Much of the media is composed of L3.
(Loony - Left - Liberalism) == L3
N2 combined with L3 == N2L3
Sharmuta has made the additonal observation that there are other compounds consisting of an N2 set that are apparently just as toxic as N2L3.
The LD50 on these related compounds is a real fright.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:39:29am |
Sure, make fun of me. Geez, it is just like my youth all over again:P
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:44:29am |
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:44:31am |
re: #120 Cannadian Club Akbar
OK. Now how do I make the little 2?
Sub and sup.
hit the quote button on #'s 122 and 123 for a look-see at the html code.
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The Left Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:47:49am |
OT, but the Clenis is giving the keynote at netroots nation.
Wow. Reports to come!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:49:04am |
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:50:12am |
re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'll work on it this weekend on a dead thread.
Make sure to bring enough to share with everyone.
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:51:10am |
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:51:39am |
re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'll work on it this weekend on a dead thread.
Preview... is your friend.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:52:12am |
re: #129 iceweasel
OT, but the Clenis is giving the keynote at netroots nation.
Wow. Reports to come!
I hope the women are properly prepared.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:52:48am |
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:54:37am |
I already said it's magic- that's as much as I know! Why must you torture me like this?! It's PFM... PFM!
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:56:42am |
re: #139 Cannadian Club Akbar
Test 2 This is a test.
You can even nest them for an exaggerated effect.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:56:59am |
Think I'll get an HTML book from the library.
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:57:13am |
re: #138 Sharmuta
I already said it's magic- that's as much as I know! Why must you torture me like this?! It's PFM... PFM!
It's MAGIC... FUCK YOU!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:58:04am |
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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:00:00am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:00:56am |
re: #145 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!
Thank you littleoldlady! Your timing was perfect.
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freetoken Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:02:15am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:02:56am |
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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:03:24am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:04:37am |
Sometimes people jump the shark, other times, well..
[Link: www4.wsvn.com...]
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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:05:35am |
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freetoken Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:05:40am |
re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar
Not in this economy:(
There will always be a job for someone who can provide fruit-cup perfectly.
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:06:21am |
re: #156 Cannadian Club Akbar
Sometimes people jump the shark, other times, well..
[Link: www4.wsvn.com...]
In Soviet Russia, shark jumps you.
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Syrah Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:06:47am |
Its 2am . . .
Empty fruit cups lay scattered about like golden leaves on the autumn forest floor.
Off to bed.
Good night all.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:06:48am |
re: #157 littleoldlady
Hows about free healthcare then?
You need to organize and get the fruit cup lobby on board:)
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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:09:21am |
re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar
/verybigsigh
Getting organized is my BIGGEST problem! :-(
/else I'd be a force to be reckoned with and would be saying you knew me when
//veryVERYbigsigh
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:11:51am |
re: #163 littleoldlady
I make tons of notes on 6X4 pieces of paper. Probably have 20 pieces on my desk. So, if you ask for something I have written down, I will tell you it is on my desk:)
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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:12:49am |
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:19:18am |
MMMm...coffee...life will be better shortly = )
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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:35:07am |
You reminded me that I needed coffee! ;-)
/and then I hit the spinoff links
//...so I'm LOST
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:45:11am |
No job? Want to be a brown shirt? CHANGE!!!
[Link: www.fundforthepublicinterest.org...]
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right_wing2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:46:22am |
Let's get American manufacturing back.
Buy American!
[Link: www.howtobuyamerican.com...] (note: some of the links aren't valid any more, but most are)
[Link: www.buyamerican.com...]
Good resources for American-made clothes, household things, games, sporting goods etc.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:46:22am |
re: #168 littleoldlady
You reminded me that I needed coffee! ;-)
/and then I hit the spinoff links
//...so I'm LOST
Coffee
[Link: crackle.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:48:24am |
re: #171 BatGuano
Coffee
[Link: crackle.com...]
I had to watch a commercial to watch a commercial. Hmm.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:50:13am |
re: #172 Cannadian Club Akbar
Sorry. I did to. I posted it because of nostalgia. Probably before your time.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:52:16am |
re: #173 BatGuano
Sorry. I did to. I posted it because of nostalgia. Probably before your time.
I was kidding. I remember some of the old ones. I think that one was out of my age, though. I still think the best commercial was the Mean Joe Greene/Coke commercial.
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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:53:24am |
re: #171 BatGuano
NATURALLY, I remember! ;-)
1964. (OY) Did you go? We did. My aunt lived in Forrest Hills at the time so we stayed over one night with her.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:55:45am |
re: #174 Cannadian Club Akbar
I agree, It brought everyone into it; connected with everyone.
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:55:53am |
re: #175 littleoldlady
NATURALLY, I remember! ;-)
1964. (OY) Did you go? We did. My aunt lived in Forrest Hills at the time so we stayed over one night with her.
Wow, better half was born in '64...and he's the old one in my house = )
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right_wing2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:56:14am |
re: #174 Cannadian Club Akbar
Was that the 'And I love the easy opening can' one?
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:58:37am |
re: #175 littleoldlady
No, I was on the left coast. We were too poor to go to the Seattle World's Fair.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:58:40am |
re: #178 right_wing2
Was that the 'And I love the easy opening can' one?
No, what you are talking about was a Miller Lite commercial, I think. Either way, it was a beer commercial.
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right_wing2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:59:14am |
re: #180 Cannadian Club Akbar
Looks a little like my living room
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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:08:50am |
re: #181 BatGuano
Poor is why we did it like we did. Probably had free or discounted tickets, too.
And poor is why I should get moving right now... :-(
Good day, ALL!™
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:08:57am |
So, is it bad that the high point of my day so far is that I don't have to wear FRC's to work today?
Because I'm kinda thrilled about that...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:09:24am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:10:09am |
re: #186 srb1976
So, is it bad that the high point of my day so far is that I don't have to wear FRC's to work today?
Because I'm kinda thrilled about that...
FRC's?
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:11:16am |
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right_wing2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:11:42am |
re: #187 Cannadian Club Akbar
Just call us the crazy cat couple!
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:13:15am |
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:13:51am |
re: #187 Cannadian Club Akbar
That is my wife after I am gone. At least I hope I am gone at that point.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:16:03am |
re: #193 srb1976
Ah, very stylish. And Mr. Green Jeans? I see why you are giddy. :)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:17:16am |
re: #194 BatGuano
That is my wife after I am gone. At least I hope I am gone at that point.
I worked with a woman many years ago who had her house condemned because she had 100 cats. I wasn't surprised.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:17:50am |
srb, I hope you do not work in a dangerous industry.
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:19:01am |
re: #197 BatGuano
srb, I hope you do not work in a dangerous industry.
Depends on what you consider dangerous? I work at a steel mill...just got switched from one job to another (no longer on the melt deck, so no more FRC's)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:19:11am |
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right_wing2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:19:24am |
re: #196 Cannadian Club Akbar
Oh dear God. The 9 that Karen & I either own or feed is more than enough for us.
Weird- when we started dating, I had 2, she had 1, and I've lost both of the ones I had back then. Cat magnets?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:21:40am |
re: #201 right_wing2
Oh dear God. The 9 that Karen & I either own or feed is more than enough for us.
Weird- when we started dating, I had 2, she had 1, and I've lost both of the ones I had back then. Cat magnets?
The girl who cuts my hair has 50, but she also has a giant outdoor pen for them. Plus, she takes care of all of them as far as vet visits and the such.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:22:33am |
re: #199 srb1976
Melt deck! Holy Jesus, I'm happy you are not there anymore and I bet hubby is too! Unless you're now on the spontaneous combustion deck.
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:24:48am |
re: #203 BatGuano
Melt deck! Holy Jesus, I'm happy you are not there anymore and I bet hubby is too! Unless you're now on the spontaneous combustion deck.
For what it's worth...the steel industry has come a long way safety wise = )
There are not a whole lot of cooler things to see than a working melt shop (lots of fire)...but I got moved, and am learning a different job, with no fire or explosions anywhere in sight = )
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:25:23am |
I look at my wife's three cats and say to my self, "Get in my belly"! At least there would be cat hair everywhere.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:26:54am |
Eunice Kennedy died. I think that's her name. 88. Good long life.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:27:57am |
re: #205 srb1976
Very good to hear, srb. Maybe I'm a born worrier. :)
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:28:00am |
re: #206 BatGuano
I look at my wife's three cats and say to my self, "Get in my belly"! At least there would be cat hair everywhere.
We only have one cat...picked up from the shelter in order to help teach the Little Man (and now Her Royal Stoutness as well) the finer points of playing nice with animals...she's a good cat...and a much better teacher than one of our "big" dogs would be (our biggest dog is very sweet, but she could probably eat either one of the children) = )
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:30:00am |
re: #207 Cannadian Club Akbar
Eunice Kennedy Shriver. Good lady, sad but inevitable. My parents generation is falling away.
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:31:21am |
And that's it for me...off to the salt mines,
Ya'll take care and have a good day!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:32:13am |
re: #210 BatGuano
Eunice Kennedy Shriver. Good lady, sad but inevitable. My parents generation is falling away.
My dad's side of the family lived long, although my dad died relatively young. My mom's side, not so much.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:32:43am |
re: #212 srb1976
Salt mines... didn't you say... oh never mind! Good day, srb.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:33:12am |
re: #207 Cannadian Club Akbar
Eunice Kennedy died. I think that's her name. 88. Good long life.
May she rest in peace.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:34:59am |
re: #215 Sharmuta
May she rest in peace.
My radio said she started the Special Olympics. Good for her.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:37:35am |
re: #216 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yes, she did a great deal for the mentally retarded. Ronald Reagan gave her the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:37:59am |
re: #216 Cannadian Club Akbar
My radio said she started the Special Olympics. Good for her.
Yes- she's been a friend to the handicapped- may her spirit go on.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:39:20am |
re: #217 BatGuano
Yes, she did a great deal for the mentally retarded. Ronald Reagan gave her the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Remember, Zero compared his bowling skills to that of a Special Olympian. Whoops.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:41:30am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:43:54am |
"What's shakin' Norm?"
"All four cheeks and a couple of chins..."
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:46:01am |
re: #219 Cannadian Club Akbar
It is very sad, how he was given a pass on that.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:46:27am |
re: #222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"What's shakin' Norm?"
"All four cheeks and a couple of chins..."
"How's life treating you, Norm?"
"Like I slept with its wife."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:47:20am |
"What would you say to a beer, Norm?"
"Daddy wuvs you..."
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:48:35am |
Norm: "It's a dog-eat-dog world and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear".
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:48:35am |
re: #226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"What would you say to a beer, Norm?"
"Daddy wuvs you..."
"How's it going, Norm?"
"It's a dod eat dog world and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:49:23am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:50:29am |
On Eunice... It always strikes me as odd how, in general, the women of the Kennedy Clan seem to be much better people than the men.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:54:18am |
re: #232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I said that based on my perceptions... Please do not ask for links or facts.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:55:21am |
re: #232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Women generally are better than men. the Kennedy men wanted power, the women were rich and were able to help the less fortunate. I think.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:57:13am |
"Is it cold out there, norm?"
"Does a rag doll have cloth knobs?"
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nonic Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:58:53am |
re: #234 BatGuano
Women generally are better than men. the Kennedy men wanted power, the women were rich and were able to help the less fortunate. I think.
The women were rich BECAUSE THE MEN HAD POWER. The women were able to help the less fortunate BECAUSE THE MEN HAD POWER.
Incidentally, whatever happened to Caroline Kennedy? Since they wouldn't let her be NY's senator, did she get a part time job at Walmart or volunteer to be a Cub Scout den mother or something?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:00:17am |
re: #236 nonic
The women were rich BECAUSE THE MEN HAD POWER. The women were able to help the less fortunate BECAUSE THE MEN HAD POWER.
Incidentally, whatever happened to Caroline Kennedy? Since they wouldn't let her be NY's senator, did she get a part time job at Walmart or volunteer to be a Cub Scout den mother or something?
Right. Like Walmart is hiring.
/
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:00:43am |
re: #236 nonic
Caroline was why I almost didn't type my "Kennedy women are better than the men..." meme.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:04:17am |
re: #236 nonic
Thanks to Joseph Kennedy they were all born into privilege. The women of that era took advantage of their situation to engage in philanthropic enterprises. Caroline was the next generation.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:06:06am |
re: #20 Wasta
Anyone attending town hall meetings this week?
If so, what state, rep's name, and their expected vote/viewpoint?
Last I checked, my rep lacks the balls to appear in public after getting smacked down once.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:09:18am |
re: #51 ArchangelMichael
I think it's something like this:
Rightwing Moonbat answer: "Leo 21, Begin Carousel."
Leftwing Moonbat answer: "You'll get everything for free and it will be wonderful, here's a unicorn to go with that."
Actual Honest Answer, best guess: "Don't know yet, probably nothing."
upding for the Logan's Run reference.
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nonic Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:12:18am |
re: #237 Cannadian Club Akbar
Right. Like Walmart is hiring.
/
Right, I forgot. Well, maybe the family will BUY her a Walmart so she can greet customers.
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3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:14:07am |
Condolences to the Kennedy and Shriver family for their loss.
In market news, the futures are edging lower as we near the open.
Hey, somebody is hiring:
New York Fed Aggressively Hiring Traders: Report
The Federal Reserve Bank of New York has embarked on a hiring spree, seeking to recruit traders to manage its bulging securities holdings, the Financial Times reported Tuesday.The New York Fed plans to raise the number of employees in its markets group to 400 by the end of then year, compared with 240 at the end of 2007, the paper said on its Web site.
The Fed is thus becoming one of Wall Street's most active recruiters of financial talent, as most of its new staff come from the private sector. In contrast, many banks, hedge funds, private equity companies and rating agencies are cutting jobs.
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3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:15:36am |
re: #240 JamesTKirk
Last I checked, my rep lacks the balls to appear in public after getting smacked down once.
Mine hates the bill and will vote against it. Last night he had a town hall meeting that was overwhelmingly against HR 3200 or anything else like it.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:17:33am |
re: #245 3 wood
Mine hates the bill and will vote against it. Last night he had a town hall meeting that was overwhelmingly against HR 3200 or anything else like it.
Wanna trade representatives? I live in the district that chose not to elect Michael Steele.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:19:55am |
re: #245 3 wood
Thought you were in Chicago. Chicagoland turning on the machine? or a Lone Wolf?
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:23:32am |
re: #248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thought you were in Chicago. Chicagoland turning on the machine? or a Lone Wolf?
Cliff Claven," El solo lobo: Ce'st moi."
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3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:24:18am |
China is hiring too:
American Graduates Finding Jobs in China
Shanghai and Beijing are becoming new lands of opportunity for recent American college graduates who face unemployment nearing double digits at home.Even those with limited or no knowledge of Chinese are heeding the call. They are lured by China’s surging economy, the lower cost of living and a chance to bypass some of the dues-paying that is common to first jobs in the United States.
“I’ve seen a surge of young people coming to work in China over the last few years,” said Jack Perkowski, founder of Asimco Technologies, one of the largest automotive parts companies in China.
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3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:24:58am |
re: #248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thought you were in Chicago. Chicagoland turning on the machine? or a Lone Wolf?
No, I'm from chicago but I live down state now.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:28:53am |
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3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:32:41am |
Castro encourages farming with oxen
The global economic crisis has forced Cuban farmers to use oxen rather than machinery to work the fields.
Due to the rising cost of fuel, President Raul Castro is encouraging the use of oxen as part of an energy saving austerity program.
The shape of things to come for the US under Obama's Cap and Trade?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:33:22am |
re: #254 3 wood
Castro encourages farming with oxen
The shape of things to come for the US under Obama's Cap and Trade?
But, but, but... *sputter* Oxen cause GLOBAL WARMING! They must be sacked!
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:34:14am |
re: #254 3 wood
Castro encourages farming with oxen
The shape of things to come for the US under Obama's Cap and Trade?
Do we need to stock up on TP as well?
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:34:47am |
re: #254 3 wood
Castro encourages farming with oxen
The shape of things to come for the US under Obama's Cap and Trade?
Your link's wrong.
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VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:35:20am |
re: #255 thedopefishlives
But, but, but... *sputter* Oxen cause GLOBAL WARMING! They must be sacked!
/
perhaps there willl be little cattle-itic converters on their tailpipes...
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3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:38:27am |
Getting debt under control
Commentary: U.S. consumers are putting their affairs in order
Even as analysts debate whether the stock market's five-month rally is nearing its end, it's clear that consumers are more interested in paying down their own debts than they in betting on the market.June marked the fifth consecutive month in which consumers paid down credit cards and shaved other debt, according to the Federal Reserve. In a depressing economy, reducing debt is no surprise, but the Fed's big news was that the amount Americans put into debt reduction was twice as much as economists expected.
Folks woke up to the reality that you just can't keep living on credit forever.
I hope the government gets the same clue soon.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:38:49am |
re: #258 VioletTiger
perhaps there willl be little cattle-itic converters on their tailpipes...
Don't steer this conversation in the wrong direction.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:39:25am |
re: #258 VioletTiger
perhaps there willl be little cattle-itic converters on their tailpipes...
Hi Violet. It reminds me of what Carl Sagan wrote in in one his books, other planets could detect life on earth by the amount of methane produced by terresrtial bovine.
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3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:40:14am |
Here the right link:
Castro encourages farming with oxen
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:40:20am |
Are you kidding, I'm going to milk this for all it's worth.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:40:55am |
re: #262 BatGuano
Hi Violet. It reminds me of what Carl Sagan wrote in in one his books, other planets could detect life on earth by the amount of methane produced by terresrtial bovine.
Yeah, but it's the whale who got the probe, not the cattle.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:41:16am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:41:26am |
re: #265 thedopefishlives
Are you kidding, I'm going to milk this for all it's worth.
Puns are cheesy.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:41:42am |
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VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:41:46am |
re: #268 JamesTKirk
I think Sharmuta has a beef with you.
Looks like I may have stepped in it this time.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:42:13am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:42:16am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:43:41am |
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3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:45:25am |
Congressional jets may be scrapped
The new congressional jets may be getting scrapped.
After an uproar over a proposed purchase of new executive jets for use by senior government officials, including members of Congress, the top Defense appropriator in the House has offered to eliminate funding for the planes – but only if the Pentagon, which operates the jets, agrees.
“If the Department of Defense does not want these aircraft, they will be eliminated from the bill,” Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), the chairman of the Defense Appropriations Subcommitee said Monday evening.
Murtha was quick to point out that these jets, approved by the full House last month, were not additions to the current group of 24 executive aircraft already used for top officials, and were being purchased to replace older ones that have maintenance and safety issues.
And in his statement, Murtha basically put the blame on the Pentagon, whose spokesman has been quoted saying that the House Appropriations Committee added four executive jets beyond the Pentagon’s original request. The Defense Department originally requested $220 million for four jets – a total bumped to $550 million and eight jets by the committee.
Murtha is a real piece of work.
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VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:46:24am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:47:09am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:48:02am |
re: #275 3 wood
Congressional jets may be scrapped
The new congressional jets may be getting scrapped.Murtha is a real piece of work.
The man is udderly ridiculous.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:48:41am |
re: #279 BatGuano
Blessed are the chessemakers...
"The Greek?"
"Well, apparently, he's going to inherit the Earth."
"Did anyone catch his name?"
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right_wing2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:49:46am |
re: #170 right_wing2
Let's get American manufacturing back.
Buy American!
[Link: www.howtobuyamerican.com...] (note: some of the links aren't valid any more, but most are)
[Link: www.buyamerican.com...]Good resources for American-made clothes, household things, games, sporting goods etc.
Also: [Link: www.americansworking.com...]
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:50:11am |
re: #282 JamesTKirk
Every thread must have a Monty Python reference, Big Nose!!
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:50:49am |
re: #284 BatGuano
Every thread must have a Monty Python reference, Big Nose!!
No, it doesn't.
Look, I told you once.
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VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:51:57am |
The SEIU organizes for healthcare
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:54:53am |
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right_wing2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:57:20am |
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:57:23am |
re: #287 VioletTiger
The SEIU organizes for healthcare
[Video]
The SEIU can go over Niagara falls in a union designed, government funded raft piloted by a fucking shop steward!
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right_wing2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:58:45am |
Well, it's off to the fun factory. Later, lizards!
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:59:14am |
Tarquin Fin Tim Lim Bim Lim Bim Bus Stop F'tang F'tang Olé Biscuit Barrel for Congress in 2010!
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wintercat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:01:06am |
re: #290 BatGuano
The SEIU can go over Niagara falls in a union designed, government funded raft piloted by a fucking shop steward!
No they can't. They are on a break.
/
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:03:10am |
re: #292 JamesTKirk
Tarquin Fin Tim Lim Bim Lim Bim Bus Stop F'tang F'tang Olé Biscuit Barrel for Congress in 2010!
I'm there, Dude.
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Erik The Red Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:05:15am |
Good Morning Lizards. I am off to get finger printed for an FBI background check this morning. All this so my wife and I can do volunteer work at the school and church. Is this a normal thing or are they going a bit OTT?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:06:13am |
re: #297 Erik The Red
Good Morning Lizards. I am off to get finger printed for an FBI background check this morning. All this so my wife and I can do volunteer work at the school and church. Is this a normal thing or are they going a bit OTT?
I've never heard of such a thing, but it doesn't exactly surprise me anymore. Volunteers at school are probably being screened for sexual predator tags or some such.
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Erik The Red Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:06:19am |
Murphy showed up at Mass one Sunday and the Priest almost fainted when he saw him. Murphy had never been seen in Church in his life. After Mass, the Priest caught up with Murphy and said, "Murphy, I am so glad ya decided to come to Mass, what made ya come?"
Murphy said, "I got to be honest with ya Father, a while back, I misplaced me hat and I really, really love that hat. I know that McGlynn had a hat just like me hat, and I knew the McGlynn comes to Church every Sunday. I also knew that McGlynn had to take off his hat during Mass and figured he would leave it in the back of Church. So, I was going to leave after Communion and steal McGlynn's hat".
The Priest said, "Well, Murphy, I notice that ya didn't steal McGlynn's hat. What changed your mind?" Murphy said, "Well, after I heard your sermon on the 10 Commandments, I decided that I didn't need to steal McGlynn's hat after all." The Priest gave Murphy a big smile and said, "After I talked about 'Thou Shalt Not Steal' ya decided you would rather do without the hat than burn in Hell, right?"
Murphy slowly shook his head and said, "No, Father, after ya talked about 'Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery', I remembered where I left me hat."
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opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:07:24am |
re: #287 VioletTiger
The SEIU organizes for healthcare
Good Morning. The SEIU, Obamas shock troops against disobedient Americans.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:07:30am |
When I'm empress of the universe, nothing will start before 9:00 a.m..
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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:07:56am |
Good morning all. We have a week forecast of summer weather. Yeah. Get to get all hot and sweaty while doing nothing. About time I says. :)
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:08:25am |
re: #296 VioletTiger
I feel like Obama should tell the SEIU that they should get their hands off his peanut sized balls and go away!
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wintercat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:08:56am |
re: #298 thedopefishlives
I've never heard of such a thing, but it doesn't exactly surprise me anymore. Volunteers at school are probably being screened for sexual predator tags or some such.
Yes they are. The must be screened and then sent through sensitivity training (I think it is about appropriate behavior around kids) at a school near us.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:09:04am |
re: #297 Erik The Red
Good Morning Lizards. I am off to get finger printed for an FBI background check this morning. All this so my wife and I can do volunteer work at the school and church. Is this a normal thing or are they going a bit OTT?
I had a normal criminal background check before volunteering, but not fingerprinted FBI-type.
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wintercat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:09:44am |
re: #301 MandyManners
When I'm empress of the universe, nothing will start before 9:00 a.m..
Except the tea kettle. One's day must start with the tea kettle whistling.
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Erik The Red Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:09:49am |
re: #297 Erik The Red
Good Morning Lizards. I am off to get finger printed for an FBI background check this morning. All this so my wife and I can do volunteer work at the school and church. Is this a normal thing or are they going a bit OTT?
I forgot to add that both of us have had to pay $50.00 for the privilege to volunteer.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:09:57am |
re: #297 Erik The Red
They should do it. You have nothing to hide so it's not a problem.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:10:24am |
re: #309 MandyManners
Make that 10:00 a.m..
And where does that leave us poor morning people, exactly?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:11:00am |
Morning everyone. Is it too soon to make jokes about a Dead Kennedys reunion tour?
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:11:09am |
re: #311 Mad Al-Jaffee
Morning everyone. Is it too soon to make jokes about a Dead Kennedys reunion tour?
Yes.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:11:15am |
re: #297 Erik The Red
Good Morning Lizards. I am off to get finger printed for an FBI background check this morning. All this so my wife and I can do volunteer work at the school and church. Is this a normal thing or are they going a bit OTT?
I've heard of that.
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Erik The Red Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:11:37am |
re: #308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They should do it. You have nothing to hide so it's not a problem.
No problem having it done. Just wondering if it was normal. We had to be printed for almost everything in S. Africa.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:12:05am |
re: #299 Erik The Red
An oldie, but a goodie. +1
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:12:19am |
re: #311 Mad Al-Jaffee
Morning everyone. Is it too soon to make jokes about a Dead Kennedys reunion tour?
Yes.
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opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:12:30am |
re: #311 Mad Al-Jaffee
Morning everyone. Is it too soon to make jokes about a Dead Kennedys reunion tour?
Wasn't there a rock band, Dead Kennedys?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:12:48am |
re: #314 Erik The Red
No problem having it done. Just wondering if it was normal. We had to be printed for almost everything in S. Africa.
Just don't be a "quiet, unassuming man who never bothered anybody". Those are the guys they have to pick off of the water tower with a high powered rifle.
/
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:13:45am |
re: #260 3 wood
Folks woke up to the reality that you just can't keep living on credit forever.
I hope the government gets the same clue soon
It's interesting how doing what is good for your family's economy is not necessarily good for the U.S. economy, at least short term.
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VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:13:48am |
re: #303 BatGuano
I feel like Obama should tell the SEIU that they should get their hands off his peanut sized balls and go away!
What would be tremendously helpful, is to have the president issue a statement that says something like this:
'Please keep the debate civil and respectful. We hear your concerns, we will listen to your concerns and consider them in the debate. We will not pass a bill without hearing your input.'
Of course, nothing of the kind will happen. So far he has said that some of us should shut up, and the bill will pass not matter what 'don't bet against us'. Of course, he did have time to weigh in on a police matter of which he knew little about.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:14:12am |
re: #307 Erik The Red
I forgot to add that both of us have had to pay $50.00 for the privilege to volunteer.
They do charge for the privilege to have yourself treated like a criminal. However, each time I've been fingerprinted for security checks, I was reimbursed the expense by work.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:14:16am |
re: #319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Just don't be a "quiet, unassuming man who never bothered anybody". Those are the guys they have to pick off of the water tower with a high powered rifle.
/
Oops, looks like I'm boned then.
/
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:14:52am |
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Erik The Red Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:14:58am |
re: #319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Just don't be a "quiet, unassuming man who never bothered anybody". Those are the guys they have to pick off of the water tower with a high powered rifle.
/
If you knew me in, real life, you would that that is furtherest from the truth. My wife and kids wish I was tho. :))
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:15:19am |
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:15:40am |
re: #320 Spenser (with an S)
It's interesting how doing what is good for your family's economy is not necessarily good for the U.S. economy, at least short term.
You really have to run government like a business or a family. You can't run on credit forever. This government has been living from paycheck to paycheck (just to pay the debts) for too long.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:15:41am |
re: #306 wintercat
Except the tea kettle. One's day must start with the tea kettle whistling.
Choke the kettle.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:15:49am |
re: #325 Erik The Red
You get the "Why do you have to be the center of attention?" questions too?
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:16:02am |
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opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:16:04am |
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Erik The Red Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:16:55am |
re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You get the "Why do you have to be the center of attention?" questions too?
Especially after I have had a "few". :))
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:17:05am |
re: #327 WinterCat
You really have to run government like a business or a family.
Well, the current administration is running it like the Corleone family. Is that good?
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:17:05am |
Golly. Trying to please everyone sure is hard work.
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opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:17:06am |
re: #326 JamesTKirk
Yes. Thus, the joke.
We are about 24 hours out from dead Kennedy jokes, I think.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:17:08am |
re: #307 Erik The Red
I had to get fingerprinted and a background check when I joined the volunteer fire department. I couldn't even start any of my training until I passed that, but that was just a police background check. Are you sure it's FBI?
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:17:29am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:17:33am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:17:57am |
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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:18:39am |
re: #334 MandyManners
Golly. Trying to please everyone sure is hard work.
Screw them. As long as you are pleased yourself. Everyone is on their own for their own happiness, mostly.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:18:53am |
re: #287 VioletTiger
The SEIU organizes for healthcare
I thought that nurses were not members of SEIU.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:18:54am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:19:22am |
re: #334 MandyManners
Golly. Trying to please everyone sure is hard work.
"... in bed"
(Wait, that wasn't a fortune cookie?)
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:19:50am |
re: #342 MandyManners
I thought that nurses were not members of SEIU.
I read something recently that some nurses groups were taken over by SEIU after a long battle. I will look for the link.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:20:05am |
re: #334 MandyManners
Golly. Trying to please everyone sure is hard work.
Yes, Mandy, it is. That's why I don't even bother trying anymore.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:20:09am |
re: #331 opnion
Seriously, that is the guys name?
That's what he calls himself.
[Link: www.answers.com...]
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:20:16am |
re: #341 BlueCanuck
Screw them. As long as you are pleased yourself.
"...in bed."
OK, this is how I'll be reading LGF from now on.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:20:38am |
re: #346 WinterCat
I read something recently that some nurses groups were taken over by SEIU after a long battle.
...in bed.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:20:51am |
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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:21:11am |
re: #351 JamesTKirk
"...in bed."
OK, this is how I'll be reading LGF from now on.
Only you could take us to a new low...
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:21:13am |
The SEIU recruits members to "drown out" opposing voices. This is a screenshot of the page; it now reads to "counter" opposing voices.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:21:42am |
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opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:21:44am |
Hannity had the photographer on last night who took the footage of the Town Hall in Tampa that got violent.
The peceful union guys roughed up a cancer patient wearin a colostomy bag. The guys daughter kept screamiing to leave him alone 'He has Cancer."
The Union guys then pushed the camera man around.
What kind of lolgic blames the violence on the protestors?
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:22:14am |
Still looking for the link about the Nurses Union but found this in the meantime. Nice folks, SEIU.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:22:42am |
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quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:23:23am |
re: #313 JamesTKirk
It's been happening for a while. The theory is that you're protecting kids from child molesters and similar creeps. That may be true, but you're also discouraging many would-be volunteers who just don't want the hassle.
There's an FBI file on me. An angry litigant whom I embarrassed in court called the FBI and said I was part and parcel of my client's alleged fraud. I went to see the local FBI agent, who confirmed that they open a file for every complaint, but assured me that the complaint in my file had been labeled crackpot.
So the thought crosses my mind when I think about volunteering for a church job that involves contact with kids, and for which a background check is necessary: do I really want that exposed? Answer: nope.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:23:25am |
re: #352 MandyManners
Where's my scepter?
I don't know, but I think you told someone upthread where you were going to stick it...
//
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:23:34am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:23:54am |
re: #360 MandyManners
*shaking scepter at Kirk*
If you shake it more than twice, you're playing with it.
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opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:23:58am |
re: #342 MandyManners
I thought that nurses were not members of SEIU.
They are not supposed to be. SEIU members are non -professional hospital staff.
You should see the SEIU digs in midtown Manhattan.
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:24:20am |
SEIU Stalking, Harassing Nurses at Home
Boy, it is a goldmine out here. All you have to do is Google SEIU Nurses Violence and presto.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:24:39am |
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VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:24:40am |
re: #342 MandyManners
I thought that nurses were not members of SEIU.
That may be true, but the video was bought and paid for by the SEIU. They have a lot of healthcare adds. Here is another:
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rain of lead Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:24:42am |
gorebull warming Your text to link...solar update
solar windspeed 345 km/s
0 sunspots
The sun has been blank of sunspots for about 1 month. There is no plage regions on the earth facing side of the sun. It looks like the spotless streak will continue on.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:25:04am |
re: #362 JamesTKirk
re: #348 jordash1212
Greetings from Israel.
...in bed!
OK, maybe not every comment works..
It would with a pic of Israeli hottie Bar Rafaeli
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:25:40am |
re: #363 quickjustice
when I think about volunteering for a church job that involves contact with kids, and for which a background check is necessary: do I really want that exposed? Answer: nope.
The whole point is that they want people who won't expose things around kids.
But I see what you mean. I was actually wondering if I'd have any problems (I won't say why) the first time I had to go up for a background investigation.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:25:42am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:26:25am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:26:36am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:27:10am |
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quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:27:24am |
I have no doubt that Obama has promised SEIU control over the new national health care system as the price for their support. They already control the health care system in New York,and in addition to gobbling up 1/3 of the entire state budget, it's deteriorating in quality. It's a jobs program for them, nothing more.
They see BIG bucks and more power than they've ever dreamed of in this. And they want us to be "civil" about this power grab. It's astonishing.
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:27:49am |
SEIU has a history of harassment and violence
I love the response below this person's comment.
Why are you posting an article from Date: 15 Apr 2008 ?
Obviously, this is over by now. What is your point?
Yes, it is ancient history. Isn't it. Nothing to see here.
/
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:27:56am |
Fucking electricity stopped last night sometime. Gah.
Later, sweet taters.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:28:24am |
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quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:28:51am |
re: #374 JamesTKirk
I understand that the background check is about protecting kids. Not every run-in with the justice system involves a threat to kids, however.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:29:57am |
re: #378 thedopefishlives
I sense a *WHACK* incoming.
*dons protective gear* Yeah, so do I. I think he may even splash a bit.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:30:13am |
re: #383 quickjustice
I understand that the background check is about protecting kids. Not every run-in with the justice system involves a threat to kids, however.
I would hope that they would take that into account, and are only looking for a certain class of run-ins with the justice system.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:30:31am |
re: #380 WinterCat
SEIU has a history of harassment and violence
I love the response below this person's comment.Yes, it is ancient history. Isn't it. Nothing to see here.
/
Just like Dr. Cordell (a commenter here) telling me yesterday that Obama's remark about "keeping them from talking" was an OLD COMMENT and why did I pull it out.
"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking. (Aug. 7th 2009 McLean, VA.)"
It's a comment tactic of progressives to outright lie about the source of a quote in hopes that you will forget about it.
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quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:30:41am |
re: #382 JamesTKirk
I 'll post it here:
"In the wake of a brutal attack on a labor conference in Michigan Saturday night by staff of the Service Employees International Union, the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee Monday called on SEIU President Andrew Stern to "renounce the use of violence, and stop targeting women, nurses, and working people for threats and harassment."
According to Labor Notes, "a recently retired member of United Auto Workers Local 235, Dianne Feeley, suffered a head wound after being knocked to the ground by SEIU International staff and local members. Other conference-goers-members of the Teamsters, UAW, UNITE HERE, International Longshoremen's Association, and SEIU itself-were punched, kicked, shoved, and pushed to the floor.""
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:30:43am |
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opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:31:50am |
re: #380 WinterCat
SEIU has a history of harassment and violence
I love the response below this person's comment.
Yes, it is ancient history. Isn't it. Nothing to see here.
/
SEIU is well known in Labor as the goon squad followed by UNITE, also out of New York.
I met with some union people last Friday who bashed the hell out of SEIU.
This is just another in a long line of nefarious Obama asociations
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VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:32:18am |
re: #386 Walter L. Newton
They have been campaigning hard for this for a long time.
Another add
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opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:33:42am |
re: #386 Walter L. Newton
Just like Dr. Cordell (a commenter here) telling me yesterday that Obama's remark about "keeping them from talking" was an OLD COMMENT and why did I pull it out.
"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking. (Aug. 7th 2009 McLean, VA.)"
We have one here who claims , "I didn't say what I said."It's a comment tactic of progressives to outright lie about the source of a quote in hopes that you will forget about it.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:35:30am |
re: #386 Walter L. Newton
Yeah I saw that obfuscation that he brought out. I wonder why he even posts here. Rarely does he bring any good points to the discusion.
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:35:37am |
re: #390 opnion
SEIU is well known in Labor as the goon squad followed by UNITE, also out of New York.
I met with some union people last Friday who bashed the hell out of SEIU.
This is just another in a long line of nefarious Obama asociations
SEUI Thugs Want to 'Stop the Violence'
Here's their side of the story.
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quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:36:44am |
I don't think SEIU is exactly what Sam Gompers had in mind when he founded the labor union movement.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:37:26am |
re: #394 BlueCanuck
Yeah I saw that obfuscation that he brought out. I wonder why he even posts here. Rarely does he bring any good points to the discusion.
Sometimes, I just post for me too.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:37:45am |
re: #392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Howdy dooo!
Hoody. Off to walk the dogs in a few minutes. Chilly, 49 degrees. Be back in a bit.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:39:07am |
re: #394 BlueCanuck
Yeah I saw that obfuscation that he brought out. I wonder why he even posts here. Rarely does he bring any good points to the discusion.
It's interesting to me that drcordell always sounds belligerent, even when, I think, he/she has no intention of being belligerent.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:39:56am |
re: #398 Walter L. Newton
Hoody. Off to walk the dogs in a few minutes. Chilly, 49 degrees. Be back in a bit.
Yeah, you should wear a hoody. 49 is chilly.
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opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:39:58am |
re: #395 WinterCat
SEUI Thugs Want to 'Stop the Violence'
Here's their side of the story.
SEIU actually wants to paint themselves as the victims!
You would give a kid a time out for that kind of bull.
Pelosi & Hoyer pen an op=ed piece calling the protestors conduct un-American.
How far do you think a Conservative speaker would get in Pelosi's district?
Probably wouldn't go well, but she would see that as a exercise in the First Amendmant.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:39:58am |
re: #393 opnion
"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking. (Aug. 7th 2009 McLean, VA.)"
That quote is sooo telling. Bullying, fake-macho, extremely intolerant and 180 degrees from his "post-partisan, come together as Americans" bullshit he peddled during the campaign.
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VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:40:26am |
re: #394 BlueCanuck
Yeah I saw that obfuscation that he brought out. I wonder why he even posts here. Rarely does he bring any good points to the discusion.
I often wonder if the Dems still have paid bloggers like they did during the election. At least that was the rumor. Don't know what the truth is.
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1SG(ret) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:40:35am |
Interesting read at the top of this thread on the topic of conservative/religious posters on this blog if one is interested in how some less conservative posters think.
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opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:43:05am |
re: #402 Spenser (with an S)
That quote is sooo telling. Bullying, fake-macho, extremely intolerant and 180 degrees from his "post-partisan, come together as Americans" bullshit he peddled during the campaign.
To me Obama exhibits totalitarian tendencies. At the very least he is a devotee of da Chicaga Machine thuggery.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:43:38am |
re: #406 opnion
To me Obama exhibits totalitarian tendencies. At the very least he is a devotee of da Chicaga Machine thuggery.
One does not get elected to office in Chicago without being so.
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yochanan Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:44:26am |
re: #390 opnion
just your standard labor education committee complete with Louisville sluggers.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:44:44am |
re: #404 1SG(ret)
You mean one of the early comments on this thread?
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:44:52am |
re: #406 opnion
To me Obama exhibits totalitarian tendencies.
In bed.
At the very least he is a devotee of da Chicaga Machine thuggery.
Along with much of his party for some time now.
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right_wing2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:45:04am |
I know Robert McNamara worked at Ford before he entered government 'service'. I thought I read that someone, possibly at Ford, said of his departure from Ford something like "Ford's gain is America's loss." Anyone else hear that?
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FrogMarch Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:45:25am |
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quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:46:22am |
Here the SEIU scandal in New York:
In November, 2001, SEIU Local 1199 began weeks of secret negotiations with GOP Governor Pataki to use most of Empire Blue Cross-BlueShield’s assets (originally earmarked for a charitable foundation to increase access to health care for poor New Yorkers and for the uninsured) to fund a labor contract between Local 1199 and the members of the Greater New York Hospital Association.
As a result of those negotiations, on January 25, 2002, the Governor proposed and the Legislature enacted the Legislation, authorizing use of 95% of Empire’s assets (almost a billion dollars) to fund SEIU Local 1199’s labor agreement and union pension plan.
Then New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer declined to challenge the deal contained in the legislation, permitting the diversion of the assets of Empire to fund a political deal with Local 1199 and the Greate New York Hospital Association. He also defended the deal in the lawsuit brought by Consumers Union challenging it.
This is how SEIU grabbed $1 billion dollars for themselves from poor New Yorkers with the connivance of GOP Governor George Pataki and the entire New York legislature, which voted in favor of this deal without publicity in the dead of night.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:46:23am |
re: #407 thedopefishlives
re: #406 opnion
To me Obama exhibits totalitarian tendencies. At the very least he is a devotee of da Chicaga Machine thuggery.
One does not get elected to office in Chicago without being so.
He snowed people into believing that he was the first pol ever to walk through that muck without a drop of it getting on his shoes.
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Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:46:26am |
re: #402 Spenser (with an S)
"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking. (Aug. 7th 2009 McLean, VA.)"
Taken objectively, I don't see a lot wrong with that quote. If you perceived that a colleague or former boss of yours completely karked up a situation at work that you are now responsible for, and then insisted on "helping" you solve that problem, primarily by opposing your solutions and promoting the same decisions that messed things up in the first place, you might feel the same.
You don't have to agree with Obama's policies or even his attitude to see where it comes from.
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opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:47:12am |
re: #407 thedopefishlives
One does not get elected to office in Chicago without being so.
That is indisputeable, but Obama sold the squeeky clean reformer image.
Let's see Ayers appoints Obama to a Fouundation, Obama directs funds to Tony Rezkos slum lord enterprise, Obama get's sweetheart real estate deal the Rezko assisted in.
Nothing there, nothiing at all.
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1SG(ret) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:47:22am |
re: #409 Spenser (with an S)
Yes! The religious gangbangers comment at #54 caught me by surprise!
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quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:47:53am |
re: #401 opnion
I was in Pelosi's San Francisco district last autumn. The coffee growers had ads on the buses trying to lobby Pelosi to help them out.
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opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:48:44am |
re: #408 yochanan
just your standard labor education committee complete with Louisville sluggers.
True dat, it is the progressive movement in action.
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opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:49:34am |
re: #418 quickjustice
I was in Pelosi's San Francisco district last autumn. The coffee growers had ads on the buses trying to lobby Pelosi to help them out.
I'll bet that she did for a little contribuition.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:50:37am |
re: #415 Coracle
Taken objectively, I don't see a lot wrong with that quote. If you perceived that a colleague or former boss of yours completely karked up a situation at work that you are now responsible for, and then insisted on "helping" you solve that problem, primarily by opposing your solutions and promoting the same decisions that messed things up in the first place, you might feel the same.
You don't have to agree with Obama's policies or even his attitude to see where it comes from.
I'll admit I can't be objective with him anymore, but it's still wrong. He wasn't talking about republican policy-makers, but about the people loudly saying "stop!" on health-care. It was the Americans he vowed to represent who were annoying him and he does not handle dissent well.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:50:38am |
re: #414 Spenser (with an S)
He snowed people into believing that he was the first pol ever to walk through that muck without a drop of it getting on his shoes.
I still don't get that, by the way. Anyone who is at all familiar with the workings of Chicago politics _knows_ that such a thing is, by definition, impossible. I guess there's not a whole lot of people familiar with the infamy of Chicago political theater - or a whole lot of people willing to overlook it in the Hope of Change (tm).
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legalpad Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:50:49am |
re: #405 WinterCat
Reality Check New WH Website.
Hmm. Wonder why they have such trouble clarifying it at news conferences. Wonder why they treat what they might view as honest ignorance is treated with such contempt, even when it comes from the very old and infirm. Wonder why they seem to want to rush it through when they are so confidant they are right and honest in their proposals.
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Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:53:32am |
re: #406 opnion
He wasn't talking about republican policy-makers, but about the people loudly saying "stop!" on health-care. It was the Americans he vowed to represent who were annoying him and he does not handle dissent well.We'll have to agree to disagree about that.
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right_wing2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:54:44am |
re: #423 legalpad
They either won't admit or ignore the fact that if we're going to provide coverage for everyone in America, regardless of any pre-existing conditions, insurance rates will (to borrow from The Chosen One's comments on energy prices) 'necessarily skyrocket.'
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:56:52am |
re: #419 opnion
I think I can honestly say that "Thuggery" and "Baseball Bats"
Would be at a severe disadvantage here in the real world!
A big union thug swinging at me would be...ah...
Well...let's just say I'm not, by nature a violent person!
;-)
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Lincolntf Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:57:22am |
Morning all.
Anything good going on today? Are our elected representatives still hiding from their constituents? Are the pro-Obama extremists still beating people at Town Hall meetings? Should I just go back to bed and wait until 2012?
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FrogMarch Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:58:21am |
re: #92 ArchangelMichael
I still believe everything from this: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Limited Government and the capitalism that naturally flows from it are the only antidotes to this. Reducing the power of government to press the will of others on the individual to a bare absolute minimum required for a society to function without anarchy is the only way the human spirit has been freed.
That is a fine quote.
The so-called health care "reform" is the exact opposite.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:59:17am |
re: #417 1SG(ret)
Yikes. I love Rose and I know she's had some bad church experiences but who hasn't? I'm kind of in a strange category as a politically conservative, religiously conservative Christian who strongly believes that since God exists out of time, that he created all things, just very slowly over some billions of years.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 5:59:54am |
One of the biggest problems that I forsee that hasn't really been brought up is the type of healthcare that everyone will get. The left says everything will be great, there will be no rationing, no problems, and no impact on anything. Everyone will have healthcare. They are right. Everyone will have a form of healthcare. The problem is that they will have to spread it out thinly so that they can cover every one. Which means that more expensive treatments won't be available. On the plus side, everyone will be equally treated...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:00:30am |
re: #432 BlueCanuck
and equally uncomfortable, or dead...
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:00:34am |
re: #414 Spenser (with an S)
He snowed people into believing that he was the first pol ever to walk through that muck without a drop of it getting on his shoes.
That's because, like water, he walks on the muck, not in it.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:01:31am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:01:46am |
re: #418 quickjustice
I was in Pelosi's San Francisco district last autumn. The coffee growers had ads on the buses trying to lobby Pelosi to help them out.
If they can afford ads on buses...
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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:02:03am |
re: #434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
and equally uncomfortable, or dead...
Ah, the reading between the lines. Yes you are right. Of course the truely rich and politicians will get stellar service.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:02:22am |
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:03:23am |
From Reality Check.
The "euthanasia" distortion on help for families
This provision will allow people to get information about getting a living will. There is absolutely nothing mandatory about this. It actually empowers people to have caring conversations with their family members and to have conversations with their doctors where they can get accurate information if they choose to do so. It empowers you to make choices about your health care future. It also says the Medicare will reimburse doctors if they have those kinds of conversations. Again, nothing mandatory, nothing scary -- nothing that's being described by those who say that the bill actually forces euthanasia.
This video is a joke. The government is going to reimburse doctors for telling people they can sign a living will? It is a 5 minute conversation. There is more to this than they want to say. The video clearly is telling a half truth. Is there more to this end of life counseling that they are not talking about?
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:03:42am |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:04:28am |
Back from walking the dogs. Now it's warmed up to 50 degrees.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:04:59am |
re: #442 Walter L. Newton
Back from walking the dogs. Now it's warmed up to 50 degrees.
I want your temperatures right now.
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quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:05:06am |
re: #432 BlueCanuck
That's correct. The current U.S. health care system is a hybrid, with Medicare and Medicaid the big government players. Those programs are going belly up, with an unfunded liability estimated at $38 trillion. That part of the crisis is real, and it's why the system must change.
This is really about rescuing Medicare and Medicaid by dragging the remaining private sector part of healthcare into the government sphere. Obama is hoping to squeeze enough money out of that part of the sector by nationalizing it to rescue the government programs.
The question for us is: are we prepared to advocate for the replacement of Medicare and Medicaid with a program that's financially sustainable without nationalizing all of health care?
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:05:07am |
re: #415 Coracle
Taken objectively, I don't see a lot wrong with that quote. If you perceived that a colleague or former boss of yours completely karked up a situation at work that you are now responsible for, and then insisted on "helping" you solve that problem, primarily by opposing your solutions and promoting the same decisions that messed things up in the first place, you might feel the same.
You don't have to agree with Obama's policies or even his attitude to see where it comes from.
There is something very wrong with this when the person who is saying it is supposed to be a great uniter. And a president of ALL of the people.
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Lincolntf Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:05:45am |
re: #432 BlueCanuck
And part of that problem (or maybe part of the cause of that problem) is the fundamental dishonesty that American Liberalism relies on. They deliberately obscure the relationship between rights and responsibilties on just about every issue, but on this issue it's truly life-or-death. When the Government has the responsibility for your health, they also have all the rights pertaining to your health.
Lefties will go to any ends (we've already seen the violence they are capable of) to avoid discussion of this fundamental truth.
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quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:07:02am |
If something isn't done, Medicare and Medicaid will collapse in insolvency within five years. Are we prepared as a nation to accept that?
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:07:12am |
re: #436 reloadingisnotahobby
re: #431 Spenser (with an S)
re: #433 1SG(ret)
I'm also of the same ...
Good. I know Charles means 6/24hr. day people when he says creationists, but I do believe in Creation and it feels a bit dis-loyal but if they're some other smart people (because you agree with me) out there, it does help.
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apachegunner Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:07:20am |
re: #431 Spenser (with an S)
Yikes. I love Rose and I know she's had some bad church experiences but who hasn't? I'm kind of in a strange category as a politically conservative, religiously conservative Christian who strongly believes that since God exists out of time, that he created all things, just very slowly over some billions of years.
Correct Spence but time was illrelavant, every thing, every moment occurred occurred during creation. Then is now and now is then, we humans mark passage based on the movement of the planets but all has allready happened, takes a special individual to view it I suppose.
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legalpad Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:07:35am |
re: #425 right_wing2
They either won't admit or ignore the fact that if we're going to provide coverage for everyone in America, regardless of any pre-existing conditions, insurance rates will (to borrow from The Chosen One's comments on energy prices) 'necessarily skyrocket.'
Listening to the specific videos, it struck me as simple condescension and raw assertion, except for Christina Romer's.
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VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:10:29am |
re: #440 WinterCat
Perhaps they think more people will need it because they aren't going to get health care for stuff that doesn't make them more healty./
Seriously, I don't know how to interpret this are of the bill.
It would be very helpful if they summarized and communicated what this all means.
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jill e Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:11:00am |
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FrogMarch Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:11:34am |
Gladney update.
At least one of the attackers called him a n**ger before pummeling him.
Also, the woman who was smashed in the face by another SEIU member after the Carnahan town hall meeting will also be pressing charges against the Leftist thugs.
Leftist thugs beat this guy up and are now mocking him for not having health insurance. Leave it to the disgusting pathetic anti-freedom thuggish leftist brain to spin it that way.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:12:09am |
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:12:21am |
re: #451 VioletTiger
Perhaps they think more people will need it because they aren't going to get health care for stuff that doesn't make them more healty./
Seriously, I don't know how to interpret this are of the bill.
It would be very helpful if they summarized and communicated what this all means.
By end of life counseling are they talking about counseling about assisted suicide (as in Oregon)? Does anyone know if this is what they really are saying without saying it?
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quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:15:08am |
Good morning Lizards
Could it be that the uneducated french youths just do not like european cars?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:15:39am |
I love Iceweasel. I think she is very smart, and is passionate about her beliefs.
I did, however, also take exception to the expletive (invective to the nth degree) she used yesterday. Some people howled (I howled inside, you'll get ulcers from that). People called her on it and it started a tsunami of back and forths.
Hopefully, we can get back to the issues at hand.
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KenJen Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:16:01am |
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jill e Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:16:51am |
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quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:17:38am |
re: #455 WinterCat
No, they are not speaking of this, yet..the democrats are the party of assisted suicide tho. What they are not saying is that the bill we speak of doesnt exist in a final form they will admit to, and that the entire bill is merely the doorway to complete governmental control of every citizen.
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jill e Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:17:51am |
re: #454 Cannadian Club Akbar
Frances version of Cash for Clunkers?
Except you'll be hard pressed to find any promotion by MSM.
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turn Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:18:23am |
re: #457 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I llike her too, in fact I suggested she refrain from doing that and she said she would do it for me. Nice! Morning all, hey FBV there is no friggin way the GM volt is going to get 230 mpg - NO WAY. They are friggin cooking the numbers on that one.
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quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:18:30am |
re: #459 jill e
I saw that..the left has the furthest way to fall...starry eyed fools that they were...getting an education now, aren't they??
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quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:19:56am |
re: #462 turn
why not?? a small gas motor to turn the chargin rotor..
I ought to youtube that one
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turn Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:20:08am |
re: #458 KenJen
It's just boys being boys.//
Morning jen, Did you notice you had to get down to the second from the last paragraph in that article before you got any mention of ethnicity of the "angry youths"?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:20:11am |
re: #462 turn
I llike her too, in fact I suggested she refrain from doing that and she said she would do it for me. Nice! Morning all, hey FBV there is no friggin way the GM volt is going to get 230 mpg - NO WAY. They are friggin cooking the numbers on that one.
Morning turn. 230 mpg? I don't even see how that's theoretically possible, let alone plausible in practice.
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jill e Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:20:37am |
re: #463 quiet man
I saw that..the left has the furthest way to fall...starry eyed fools that they were...getting an education now, aren't they??
And the way the White House is totally looking away at what's happening in Iran.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:20:40am |
re: #457 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I love Iceweasel. I think she is very smart, and is passionate about her beliefs.
That's as may be, but I don't think she's honest or consistent about them.
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turn Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:21:07am |
re: #464 quiet man
why not?? a small gas motor to turn the chargin rotor..
I ought to youtube that one
Ain't going to happen, mark turn's words.
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turn Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:21:19am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:21:57am |
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quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:22:32am |
re: #468 jill e
Again, I think everyone who looked saw that Obama, like the rest of the left, wanted to protect Iran..and since they made that choice after it became obvious that Iran was killing our troops in Iraq..you know they wont care a whit about a few murders and trials.
The Mullahs are safe under Obama and can do no wrong
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3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:22:53am |
re: #320 Spenser (with an S)
It's interesting how doing what is good for your family's economy is not necessarily good for the U.S. economy, at least short term.
You can create the illusion of prosperity for a short time by borrowing and spending, but eventually the tab comes due.
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turn Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:23:46am |
re: #467 thedopefishlives
Morning turn. 230 mpg? I don't even see how that's theoretically possible, let alone plausible in practice.
I know it's impossible, they are using some EPA calculation and they are going to "revise" their calculation as time goes on. I'll bet you at best it turns out to be less than 100 mph, way less. It's total BS, plus the friggin thing is going to cost $40k. Who is going to buy that?
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quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:23:48am |
re: #469 JamesTKirk
Captain..can one really say that of anyone who so supprts Obama?? that they are honest and consistent?? I believe they can be one, but not both.
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Pullus Iulius Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:24:10am |
re: #449 apachegunner
Correct Spence but time was illrelavant, every thing, every moment occurred occurred during creation. Then is now and now is then, we humans mark passage based on the movement of the planets but all has allready happened, takes a special individual to view it I suppose.
Like Thomas Aquinas: De Aeternitate Mundi.
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:25:07am |
re: #460 quiet man
No, they are not speaking of this, yet..the democrats are the party of assisted suicide tho. What they are not saying is that the bill we speak of doesnt exist in a final form they will admit to, and that the entire bill is merely the doorway to complete governmental control of every citizen.
Well, I don't understand then. I mean why be so vague. Yes, I know there is no final form (what the hell were they planning on voting on prior to this recess though?). I mean, it takes nothing for one to fill out a living will or end of life directive. Why do we even need this in the bill. It happens already.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:25:15am |
re: #469 JamesTKirk
That's as may be, but I don't think she's honest or consistent about them.
I disagree with her with a white burning passion of ten thousand suns, but, I do not find her to dishonest. And she's pleasant about it (but, sometimes get's frustrated as I do, and lets it fly, as I do.)
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1SG(ret) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:25:18am |
re: #448 Spenser (with an S)
I just have this believe that time in God's term, doesn't equate to time as we know it.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:26:01am |
re: #475 turn
I know it's impossible, they are using some EPA calculation and they are going to "revise" their calculation as time goes on. I'll bet you at best it turns out to be less than 100 mph, way less. It's total BS, plus the friggin thing is going to cost $40k. Who is going to buy that?
Actually, I understand the concept and I think it's a very good one, probably the most practical hybrid concept I've seen yet. The reason the 230 mpg rating is so bogus is because this vehicle doesn't operate using standard parameters; it should be equivalent to 50 mpg (I did a little Googling, it's a wonderful thing). The thing that bothers me, of course, is that it has to be charged at home... which costs money on the electric bill, which has its own set of environmental problems. Anyone buying this for environmental concerns is, sadly, extremely misled.
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quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:26:26am |
re: #459 jill e
I sent Mayor Koch the e-mail that provoked that response.
Mr. Mayor:
I’m delighted you’re recovering well, and that you received good care. Under Obamacare, you are in an age bracket that will be denied care by the government health care board. At your age, why should the government spend one penny to extend your life when others, younger and with longer lives ahead of them, can benefit more from those scarce government health care dollars?
The question, of course, is rhetorical, and somewhat obscene. It is, however, what European governments who control their health care system do: ration care, particularly to the elderly. Of the European systems, the Swiss probably makes the most sense from an American perspective. Regina Hertzlinger of Manhattan Institute has written extensively on this point.
I commend you for standing on your principles, even at the possible cost of your own life. Have you visited your “end of life” counselor yet?
A better answer: Health Savings Accounts and high deductible policies for the middle class, enabling them to direct their own health care, health care vouchers for the poor, and mandatory price and quality transparency imposed on health care providers by government, breaking up the cartels."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:26:40am |
re: #475 turn
I know it's impossible, they are using some EPA calculation and they are going to "revise" their calculation as time goes on. I'll bet you at best it turns out to be less than 100 mph, way less. It's total BS, plus the friggin thing is going to cost $40k. Who is going to buy that?
I drive over 60,000 miles per year. Wouldn't take it long to pay for itself. Of course, I have to carry a bunch of stuff with me. So, prolly won't work for me.
Sigh.
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turn Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:26:42am |
re: #472 Cannadian Club Akbar
Your first name is Mark?
/
Mark Turn, kind of has a ring to it akbar. That's my pron name, ha. Actually that would be Sherry Markham.
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quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:26:55am |
re: #470 turn
I marked your words..but now since it scrolled I have this huge black mark on the monitor...
so your last post reads like this
I know it's impossible, as time goes on. I'll bet you $40k. Buy that?
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Lincolntf Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:26:56am |
re: #453 FrogMarch
Had Gladney been publicly beaten by pro-Bush people, the panels of experts would have already been convened at every University, each network would be staking out the homes of the offenders, and we'd see daily press houndings of the President. The Congressional Black Caucus would be either boycotting something or preparing articles of impeachment.
Because it was Obama's racist thugs who did the beating, expect crickets from the people who've made a living pretending they give a shit about injustice.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:27:22am |
re: #474 3 wood
You can create the illusion of prosperity for a short time by borrowing and spending, but eventually the tab comes due.
Hey, Congress is going to increase the debt limit.
/plenty of room for new Obama spending!
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midwestgak Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:27:23am |
Good morning all.
Some good news. I received two job references that would actually pay me what I earned previously or even higher. Not one those bait and switch employment agency ads that promise the moon, then show minimum wage offerings. My resume is in their databases, you bet it is.
And it's less humid today.
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KenJen Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:27:27am |
re: #466 turn
Morning jen, Did you notice you had to get down to the second from the last paragraph in that article before you got any mention of ethnicity of the "angry youths"?
Morning turn. Yes I noticed. It followed the sentence about the youths living in poverty, unemployment, and discrimination. So its not their fault./
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jill e Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:28:14am |
re: #473 quiet man
Again, I think everyone who looked saw that Obama, like the rest of the left, wanted to protect Iran..and since they made that choice after it became obvious that Iran was killing our troops in Iraq..you know they wont care a whit about a few murders and trials.
The Mullahs are safe under Obama and can do no wrong
What's interesting is that former hostage takers—during the 1979 Iranian crisis—are now being taken hostage by the regime they helped create.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:28:15am |
re: #488 midwestgak
Good morning all.
Some good news. I received two job references that would actually pay me what I earned previously or even higher. Not one those bait and switch employment agency ads that promise the moon, then show minimum wage offerings. My resume is in their databases, you bet it is.
And it's less humid today.
Good news!
Hope one of 'em works out for you.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:28:27am |
re: #488 midwestgak
Good morning all.
Some good news. I received two job references that would actually pay me what I earned previously or even higher. Not one those bait and switch employment agency ads that promise the moon, then show minimum wage offerings. My resume is in their databases, you bet it is.
And it's less humid today.
Wonderful. I hope you find some gainful employment soon.
In a similar vein, my 2-year performance review is coming up. I hate performance reviews.
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quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:28:46am |
re: #478 WinterCat
It is in the bill becuse they want it in the bill...Like I said, this is the doorway only..not even the foyer. They have plans for controlling citizens and I suggest everyone wake up to this fact.
This is a pure power grab
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Charpete67 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:29:23am |
re: #453 FrogMarch
Gladney update.
At least one of the attackers called him a n**ger before pummeling him.Leftist thugs beat this guy up and are now mocking him for not having health insurance. Leave it to the disgusting pathetic anti-freedom thuggish leftist brain to spin it that way.
...still waiting for Sharpton and Jackson to swoop in and save the day.../
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Killian Bundy Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:29:33am |
Chevy Volt, 230 mpg with a 40 mile battery range.
/worthless
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apachegunner Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:29:53am |
re: #477 Pullus Iulius
Like Thomas Aquinas: De Aeternitate Mundi.
thanks for that, i'd not read it and i certainly will!
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:30:00am |
re: #439 NJDhockeyfan
Rep. John Dingell (D)
Town Hall Protesters Remind him of the KKKWhat a monstrous assertion. What a calculated slur against voters.
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yochanan Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:30:37am |
re: #456 quiet man
i think they prefer goats as auto tail pipes get too hot for there kind of fun.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:30:50am |
re: #476 quiet man
Captain..can one really say that of anyone who so supprts Obama?? that they are honest and consistent?? I believe they can be one, but not both.
I'm speaking of specific comments and conversations on LGF, not just in general of Obamanauts.
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jill e Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:30:54am |
Mark Stein: Mr. Gladney's only shot at fame is an entry in The Guinness Book of Records under "Least Famous Black Hate-Crime Victim In America."
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:31:00am |
re: #492 thedopefishlives
Wonderful. I hope you find some gainful employment soon.
In a similar vein, my 2-year performance review is coming up. I hate performance reviews.
Everybody hates performance reviews, even the person giving you yours.
Look at it as an opportunity.
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quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:31:44am |
re: #486 Lincolntf
That is a given...the purest example is the Duke rape case where Nifong was nevfer identified as a democrat
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jill e Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:31:55am |
re: #486 Lincolntf
Had Gladney been publicly beaten by pro-Bush people, the panels of experts would have already been convened at every University, each network would be staking out the homes of the offenders, and we'd see daily press houndings of the President. The Congressional Black Caucus would be either boycotting something or preparing articles of impeachment.
Because it was Obama's racist thugs who did the beating, expect crickets from the people who've made a living pretending they give a shit about injustice.
I saw someone state that if Gladney had been an Obama supporter, he'd now be more famous than Rodney King.
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turn Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:32:27am |
re: #481 thedopefishlives
Actually, I understand the concept and I think it's a very good one, probably the most practical hybrid concept I've seen yet. The reason the 230 mpg rating is so bogus is because this vehicle doesn't operate using standard parameters; it should be equivalent to 50 mpg (I did a little Googling, it's a wonderful thing). The thing that bothers me, of course, is that it has to be charged at home... which costs money on the electric bill, which has its own set of environmental problems. Anyone buying this for environmental concerns is, sadly, extremely misled.
Good for you - the google thing. Yeah and the range on the battery is only 40 mi. - pretty weak. Exactly, this will do little for the environment. Hey did you know the cash for clunkers program requires the cars to be run with some silicon crap until the engines lock up? Yeah figure the cost to drain and dispose of fluids plus the energy cost to crush and haul the cars and that program is probably a net loss for the environment.
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quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:32:31am |
re: #498 yochanan
Probably..and afterwards one can have a Gyro...
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:32:43am |
re: #443 JamesTKirk
I want your temperatures right now.
You won't in the winter. I'm at 8000 feet in the rockies in Colorado.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:33:09am |
re: #480 1SG(ret)
re: #448 Spenser (with an S)
I just have this believe that time in God's term, doesn't equate to time as we know it.
The style of Genesis 1 is clearly ancient poetry, with the repetitions, etc... God was speaking to a primitive people who just wanted to know "who are you and where did we come from?" It was not meant to be taken as a science textbook for how it all came about. Now the miracles of Jesus, I completely believe in. They were presented as a contemporary testimony complete with witnesses.
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FrogMarch Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:33:20am |
re: #486 Lincolntf
Had Gladney been publicly beaten by pro-Bush people, the panels of experts would have already been convened at every University, each network would be staking out the homes of the offenders, and we'd see daily press houndings of the President. The Congressional Black Caucus would be either boycotting something or preparing articles of impeachment.
Because it was Obama's racist thugs who did the beating, expect crickets from the people who've made a living pretending they give a shit about injustice.
Indeed.
It would be a media frenzy. Wall to wall non-stop coverage.
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quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:34:04am |
re: #499 JamesTKirk
Okay..I understand.there are a few democrats I know who are honest and consistent...even in public..it can happen on an individual basis, sometimes, when no one is looking,,
once in a great while..
/grin
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turn Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:34:21am |
re: #474 3 wood
You can create the illusion of prosperity for a short time by borrowing and spending, but eventually the tab comes due.
Morning 3W. I told the turnwife you worked for a bookie when you were younger and that you were a sports fanatic. She asked me to ask you if you think Vick might get picked up by the Raiders.
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Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:34:37am |
re: #445 WinterCat
There is something very wrong with this when the person who is saying it is supposed to be a great uniter. And a president of ALL of the people.
Do you think any president, right or left, is capable of achieving 100% support or on any policy?
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quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:35:07am |
re: #500 jill e
Thats funny...the sting of all humor is the truth
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:35:09am |
Technology alert. I'm not Glenn Beck and I know the technologies that are behind the internet. Take may word for it, the
following information is important to you.
The Obama administration is proposing a change in the rules about federal websites and how these sites use "cookies."
Cookies are little files that can contain information about you and things that you have done while visiting a web site. Cookies are normally kept on YOUR hard drive.
Up to now, the federal government has had restrictive rules about cookies, and the federal government cannot use cookies for complex data gathering purposes.
Barry is not happy about that.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
"Supporters of a change say social networking and similar services, which often take advantage of the tracking technologies, have transformed how people communicate over the Internet, and Obama's aides say those services can make government more transparent and increase public involvement.
Some privacy groups say the proposal amounts to a "massive" and unexplained shift in government policy. In a statement Monday, American Civil Liberties Union spokesman Michael Macleod-Ball said the move could "allow the mass collection of personal information of every user of a federal government website.""
The ACLU may become your friend, since they are completely against these proposals.
Now some people are going to say "well, it's not a problem since you can control whether you let a website put a cookie on your hard drive." That's true, but the website can also deny you the ability to access the services of that website unless you accept the cookies.
So, the federal government could say "if you don't take the cookies from us, then you won't be able to use our website and all it's features."
Catch 22.
If you have been keeping track of the way the Obama administration has been slowly becoming more and more concerned about keeping track of what you do, think and say (ie: the recent "send us an email if you hear someone trashing health care reform"), you will understand that this is a step further in that goal.
Read the article and ask questions.
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quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:35:14am |
re: #489 KenJen
My last trip to Paris, I saw some of these kids. They're ethnically Arab, but well-dressed in the latest Parisian fashions. By appearance, I'd call them clean-cut. They're not jihadists in any conventional sense.
They're more like juvenile delinquents. I saw them jumping turnstiles, and engaging in what we in NYC call "quality of life" crimes all over Paris. What was unusual was that female teenagers also were in the gangs.
France has oppressive labor laws that make it difficult to get a job, and difficult to fire a worker once hired. That hits kids especially hard. I think that having large numbers of unemployed and angry young people isn't good for any society, including France. I also think Arabs in France are discriminated against, even if they've westernized. They were brought in as cheap labor, and exploited. Now the French social welfare system tries to buy them off, and it isn't working. Your socialist state in action.
The French may lose France over this. It's a serious matter.
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Charpete67 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:35:32am |
Thirty-two percent (32%) of voters nationwide favor a single-payer health care system where the federal government provides coverage for everyone. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 57% are opposed to a single-payer plan.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]
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midwestgak Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:35:32am |
re: #492 thedopefishlives
Wonderful. I hope you find some gainful employment soon.
In a similar vein, my 2-year performance review is coming up. I hate performance reviews.
So did I. The reviews where favorable. Didn't like evaluating myself. Usually gave myself a point below what I thought I really deserved. Learned that one the hard way. My first evaluation, well I over sold myself and my boss down dinged me.
Leason learned.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:36:08am |
re: #479 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I disagree with her with a white burning passion of ten thousand suns, but, I do not find her to dishonest. And she's pleasant about it (but, sometimes get's frustrated as I do, and lets it fly, as I do.)
I saw her making inconsistent claims about whether or not she supported a Obamacare and/or a single payer system, whether or not Obamacare was a single payer system (obfuscating what a "single payer system" was), claiming repeatedly that her opinions on the bill we correct because she was the only one who had read it; but then was oddly silent or dishonest when anyone else actually quoted specific sections of the bill, before stating that the bill was irrelevant because it wasn't the final form that would be passed anyway... before, ten comments later, going back and claiming that we were all wrong because she had read the bill and the bill said this and not that; and then alternating between "what the bill says is irrelevant" and "only I can tell you what's in the bill, and that's all that matters" yadda yadda yadda. Gave up on paying attention to her after that.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:36:27am |
re: #504 turn
The 40-mile battery range is a bit of a misnomer. That happens to be the range at which it operates ONLY on battery power; beyond that, it self-generates power to recharge the batteries using the engine. While it may seem inefficient to make the battery pack "only" last 40 miles, I imagine that it uses a smaller battery pack and also does not drain the batteries completely dry before kicking in the charging circuit, for efficiency purposes.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:37:21am |
re: #517 midwestgak
So did I. The reviews where favorable. Didn't like evaluating myself. Usually gave myself a point below what I thought I really deserved. Learned that one the hard way. My first evaluation, well I over sold myself and my boss down dinged me.
Leason learned.
I don't actually get to self-review, per se. The boss sends out an email asking for comments, then compiles his best judgment of how I performed compared to my stated job description. That's what freaks me out about the whole thing.
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Lincolntf Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:37:27am |
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quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:37:40am |
re: #512 Coracle
Sure..if the policy is explained, shown to be bipartisan and a genuine win..why not??
If a party locks out the other side and writes it all out alone and then pushes a bill down the throat of the country at a dead run, then contemptuously and illegally attacks those who do not support the bill they are lying about..then, no never one of those.
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VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:37:41am |
re: #509 FrogMarch
Indeed.
It would be a media frenzy. Wall to wall non-stop coverage.
On Fox now, the left blogs mocking Gladney with a pic of him in a wheel chair.
It never ends. Anybody who opposes them becomes a target.
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FrogMarch Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:37:53am |
I'm so glad this guy reported the CBO to Linda Douglas.
Misinformation Czar.
* The House bill would increase the budget deficit by $239 B over the next ten years. This conflicts with the President’s goal of not increasing short-term deficits.* Ten years from now the House bill would add $65 B to the budget deficit. This conflicts with the President’s insistence that legislation must not increase the deficit in that year.
* The House bill would increase long-term budget deficits by ever-increasing amounts, making our long-term debt problem worse than under current law. This of course conflicts with the President’s statements that “health care reform is entitlement reform,” and that health care reform is essential to addressing America’s long-term budget problems.
* Rather than “bending the cost curve down” as the President has laudably insisted, Dr. Elmendorf said the Senate HELP Committee bill would “raise the cost curve.”
* Under the House bill, in the year 2015 about 8 million uninsured Americans would remain uninsured and pay higher taxes. This would violate the President’s pledge not to raise taxes on anyone earning less than $250,000 per year.
* Under the House bill, about 3 million people who now have employer-sponsored health insurance would lose that coverage because their employer drops it, violating the President’s bold promise that no one will lose the health plan they have now.
* The President’s Medicare Commission proposal would probably save only $2 billion over ten years, and there is a high probability it would save no taxpayer money. In the long run the saving would be “modest.”
Damn CBO - must be lying.
///
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quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:39:01am |
re: #516 Charpete67
In Canada, the government budgets doctors. Once the doctor earns, say, $100,000, the money stops. I know Canadian doctors who are finished by October, and take the rest of the year off.
A helluva way to use your medical talent, eh?
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turn Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:39:03am |
re: #483 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I drive over 60,000 miles per year. Wouldn't take it long to pay for itself. Of course, I have to carry a bunch of stuff with me. So, prolly won't work for me.
Sigh.
Wow, you drive a lot. For the payback calculation I would use 50 mpg at $3.50 per gallon. Plus as the fish points out you need to factor in electrical charging costs and of course depreciation costs. I could run the numbers but my gut feel is you would be better off keeping the car you have now, assuming it's paid for.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:39:11am |
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Killian Bundy Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:39:27am |
re: #519 thedopefishlives
The 40-mile battery range is a bit of a misnomer. That happens to be the range at which it operates ONLY on battery power; beyond that, it self-generates power to recharge the batteries using the engine. While it may seem inefficient to make the battery pack "only" last 40 miles, I imagine that it uses a smaller battery pack and also does not drain the batteries completely dry before kicking in the charging circuit, for efficiency purposes.
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:39:41am |
re: #512 Coracle
Do you think any president, right or left, is capable of achieving 100% support or on any policy?
The question you have just asked me does not justify Obama's outrageous statement in the slightest.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:39:42am |
re: #515 quickjustice
My last trip to Paris, I saw some of these kids. They're ethnically Arab, but well-dressed in the latest Parisian fashions. By appearance, I'd call them clean-cut. They're not jihadists in any conventional sense.
They're more like juvenile delinquents. I saw them jumping turnstiles, and engaging in what we in NYC call "quality of life" crimes all over Paris. What was unusual was that female teenagers also were in the gangs.
France has oppressive labor laws that make it difficult to get a job, and difficult to fire a worker once hired. That hits kids especially hard. I think that having large numbers of unemployed and angry young people isn't good for any society, including France. I also think Arabs in France are discriminated against, even if they've westernized. They were brought in as cheap labor, and exploited. Now the French social welfare system tries to buy them off, and it isn't working. Your socialist state in action.
The French may lose France over this. It's a serious matter.
And take it from a Francophile, QJ is one hundred percent spot on about this. I've seen it, talked to people in Paris about it and I have been in the suburbs where a lot of these young people live. It's a real problem that France created. These teens certainly have responsibility for their actions, but the French government let it get to this point.
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3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:39:51am |
Here's some good economic news:
Productivity Rises 6.4%, Best Gain in Six Years
U.S. non-farm productivity in the second quarter rose at its fastest pace in six years as companies slashed costs to protect profits, government data showed Tuesday.
The Labor Department said non-farm productivity rose at a 6.4 percent annual rate, the biggest gain since the third quarter of 2003, from a revised 0.3 percent gain in the first quarter. Productivity for the January-March quarter was previously reported as a 1.6 percent gain.
Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast productivity, which measures the hourly output per worker, rising at a 5.3 percent rate in the second quarter.
"It's good because it helps keep inflation low; labor costs are pretty benign," said Scott Brown, chief economist at Raymond James & Associates in St. Petersburg, Fla.
This is to a large extent caused by all the lay offs. When you get x amount of output done with fewer people, your productivity increases. All other things held constant, you should then see higher profits later on.
You also have an incalculable but still real impact that folks still working may appreciate their jobs a little more and cut out some of the chit chat and goofing off on the job, thus also raising productivity. Last thing they want to do is be seen wasting time of the boss is looking to cut some payroll.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:39:56am |
re: #512 Coracle
Do you think any president, right or left, is capable of achieving 100% support or on any policy?
Do I think any president, right or left, should be capable of brooking dissent without calling anyone who disagrees with him "un-American" and sending in goons to beat them up and silence them?
Hell yeah.
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jill e Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:40:12am |
FERRIS: My uncle went to Canada to protest the war, right? On the Fourth of July he was down with my aunt and he got drunk and told my dad he felt guilty he didn’t fight in Viet Nam. So I said, “What’s the deal, Uncle Jeff? In wartime you want to be a pacifist and in peacetime you want to be a soldier. It took you twenty years to find out you don’t believe in anything?” (Snaps his fingers.)
Grounded. Just like that. Two weeks. (Pause.) Be careful when you deal with old hippies. They can be real touchy.
—John Hughs, from the original screenplay of “Ferris Bueler’s Day Off”
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Charpete67 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:40:15am |
re: #521 Lincolntf
And somehow the 57% is "the fringe".
Libs no likey math.
you should read the whole summary of the poll...it's devastating both on support for the single payer as well as people's view of what it would do. It also points out that people now view their current insurance more positively than before.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:40:31am |
re: #519 thedopefishlives
The 40-mile battery range is a bit of a misnomer. That happens to be the range at which it operates ONLY on battery power; beyond that, it self-generates power to recharge the batteries using the engine. While it may seem inefficient to make the battery pack "only" last 40 miles, I imagine that it uses a smaller battery pack and also does not drain the batteries completely dry before kicking in the charging circuit, for efficiency purposes.
/not sure I'd want to drive one on a California freeway
| 536 |
3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:40:34am |
re: #488 midwestgak
Some good news. I received two job references that would actually pay me what I earned previously or even higher
Good luck, I'm pulling for you.
| 537 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:40:38am |
re: #516 Charpete67
Thirty-two percent (32%) of voters nationwide favor a single-payer health care system where the federal government provides coverage for everyone. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 57% are opposed to a single-payer plan.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]
According to the progressives, Rasmussen is never correct.
| 538 |
turn Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:40:40am |
re: #485 quiet man
I marked your words..but now since it scrolled I have this huge black mark on the monitor...
so your last post reads like this
I know it's impossible, as time goes on. I'll bet you $40k. Buy that?
Next time use a post it note, they can be peeled off. That's what turn does btw.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:40:42am |
re: #518 JamesTKirk
I make no claims to have read the bill. And I will not.
I watch for 3Woods interpretation. That bill's like reading stereo instructions, Wood understands that language.
For me? It may has well be written in Farsi.
Atheists speak of how the bible contradicts itself. I wonder how many contradictions are in a thousand pages of legislation. I think that is where folks are getting argumentative. Probably says one thing on page 259 and the exact opposite thing on page 742.
| 540 |
quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:07am |
re: #534 Charpete67
re: #521 Lincolntf
you should read the whole summary of the poll...it's devastating both on support for the single payer as well as people's view of what it would do. It also points out that people now view their current insurance more positively than before.
Nothing like seeing Hell before deciding that earth might be better
| 541 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:30am |
I think this Salon article should be considered a flying pig moment:
[Link: www.salon.com...]
| 542 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:34am |
re: #521 Lincolntf
And somehow the 57% is "the fringe".
Libs no likey math.
Math is an oppressive tool of the racist Patriarchy.
| 543 |
turn Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:40am |
re: #488 midwestgak
Good morning all.
Some good news. I received two job references that would actually pay me what I earned previously or even higher. Not one those bait and switch employment agency ads that promise the moon, then show minimum wage offerings. My resume is in their databases, you bet it is.
And it's less humid today.
All right gal! Good morning and good luck.
| 544 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:47am |
re: #518 JamesTKirk
I saw her making inconsistent claims about whether or not she supported a Obamacare and/or a single payer system, whether or not Obamacare was a single payer system (obfuscating what a "single payer system" was), claiming repeatedly that her opinions on the bill we correct because she was the only one who had read it; but then was oddly silent or dishonest when anyone else actually quoted specific sections of the bill, before stating that the bill was irrelevant because it wasn't the final form that would be passed anyway...
Yep, I don't have anything against her personally, but she was not being intellectually honest that day, imo. Very all-over-the-map and would not be pinned down on the facts.
| 545 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:42:05am |
re: #535 Killian Bundy
/not sure I'd want to drive one on a California freeway
I've mentioned before, I've been in a serious auto accident once. It left a permanent scar (or rather, one I've chosen to keep as a reminder of sorts). I wouldn't be caught dead in one of those rolling deathtraps or anything resembling such.
| 546 |
3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:42:32am |
re: #475 turn
I know it's impossible, they are using some EPA calculation and they are going to "revise" their calculation as time goes on. I'll bet you at best it turns out to be less than 100 mph, way less.
I would not be surprised if they did this test on indoor rollers, with no wind drag. That's like riding an exercise bike indoors with no drag set.
| 547 |
quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:42:38am |
re: #539 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You have l;ittle reason to read "the bill"..because there is no bill..there are versions of wish lists and then spin.
That's all there is...the rest is a lie told to fool the credulous
| 548 |
Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:20am |
re: #495 Killian Bundy
Chevy Volt, 230 mpg with a 40 mile battery range.
/worthless
Not if your commute is less than 20 miles each way.
| 549 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:29am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:33am |
re: #545 thedopefishlives
I don't know. The "Volt" looks like a real car, not a roller skate.
| 551 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:39am |
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FrogMarch Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:44:01am |
re: #516 Charpete67
Thirty-two percent (32%) of voters nationwide favor a single-payer health care system where the federal government provides coverage for everyone. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 57% are opposed to a single-payer plan.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]
The fresh new and improved meme is that "single payer" is off the table. OK.
But any bill that is acceptable to them majority of progressives will certainly pave the way to a single payer plan eventually. That is the left's stated goal. They have simply realized they must hide their true agenda a little better.
| 553 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:44:05am |
re: #533 jill e
—John Hughs, from the original screenplay of “Ferris Bueler’s Day Off”
That would have made a great movie even greater.
| 554 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:44:07am |
re: #550 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I don't know. The "Volt" looks like a real car, not a roller skate.
Let me clarify. I'm not going to drive anything less massive than, oh, a Sherman tank.
| 555 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:44:14am |
God morning y'all - from a very warm (81 degrees going up to 94 degrees with predicted T-Storms later today) but currently bright and sunny Charlotte!
Mom and I are doing well, and hope y'all are too!
| 556 |
Lincolntf Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:44:17am |
re: #548 Coracle
Not if
your commuteeverything you ever need to do is less than 20 miles each way.
| 557 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:44:25am |
| 559 |
yochanan Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:45:11am |
re: #506 Walter L. Newton
are you on the snow side of the hill or the dry side?
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apachegunner Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:45:16am |
re: #539 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I make no claims to have read the bill. And I will not.
I watch for 3Woods interpretation. That bill's like reading stereo instructions, Wood understands that language.
For me? It may has well be written in Farsi.
Atheists speak of how the bible contradicts itself. I wonder how many contradictions are in a thousand pages of legislation. I think that is where folks are getting argumentative. Probably says one thing on page 259 and the exact opposite thing on page 742.
I to have not read the bill. I trust 3W and Walter pretty much to tell me what it said.
| 561 |
quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:45:19am |
re: #552 FrogMarch
If there is a public option, there will be a single payer, the Government..and anyway, even if they do not get that, there are still the home visits for low income earners to "educate" them
| 562 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:45:45am |
re: #550 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Good morning FBV! Do you have a link to a photo(s) of the Volt?!
| 563 |
Charpete67 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:45:49am |
re: #540 quiet man
Nothing like seeing Hell before deciding that earth might be better
that's exactly what is happening...people are taking a closer look at what they have and what is being proposed and choosing what they have. I am in favor of some reform, but not throwing the whole thing out. I am not against reform, I am just against big government socialism...there are more than two options.
| 564 |
VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:45:54am |
re: #555 realwest
God morning y'all - from a very warm (81 degrees going up to 94 degrees with predicted T-Storms later today) but currently bright and sunny Charlotte!
Mom and I are doing well, and hope y'all are too!
Hey real. Glad to hear you and mom are well.
I'm getting ready for another business trip. Joy.
| 566 |
quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:46:21am |
re: #518 JamesTKirk
The Weasel is a liberal lady, charming and not without guile. She's trapped by the inconsistencies in the Democrat health care "plan" (there really are several), which changes daily. The Democrats also are scrambling for talking points that will work with the electorate. (That's what they're all about-- talking points and messaging. Your government in action.)
The Weasel is inconsistent, because when one talking point fails, she merely shifts to another, even if it's inconsistent with her previous talking point. It's all expediency, all the time. We're all guinea pigs here for Weasel's latest talking points.
| 567 |
3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:46:21am |
re: #511 turn
She asked me to ask you if you think Vick might get picked up by the Raiders.
Eventually. First I think he's going to have to play a season in Canada, Europe or the arena leagues to show he can still play. He sat out for quite a while, and not even the Raiders are that dumb. They don't give a rip about his criminal background, but they want to make sure he can produce on the field.
| 568 |
Killian Bundy Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:17am |
re: #548 Coracle
Not if your commute is less than 20 miles each way.
How much do these things cost? You're going to buy one for a 20 mile commute, no trips to grandma's house on weekends?
/cheaper to just take the bus
| 569 |
MandyManners Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:18am |
re: #380 WinterCat
SEIU has a history of harassment and violence
I love the response below this person's comment.
Yes, it is ancient history. Isn't it. Nothing to see here.
/
FCCBHO's political director is the former political director for SEIU.
| 570 |
Charpete67 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:28am |
re: #540 quiet man
Nothing like seeing Hell before deciding that earth might be better
that reminds of the the Reagan quote:
socialism only exists in heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.
| 571 |
Macker Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:31am |
re: #515 quickjustice
As far as I'm concerned. France is already lost. And as per the usual Car-B-Qs go, Ramadan begins on August 22.
| 572 |
turn Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:37am |
re: #546 3 wood
I would not be surprised if they did this test on indoor rollers, with no wind drag. That's like riding an exercise bike indoors with no drag set.
My understanding is it's just a theoretical calculation based on some EPA formula at this point. Ain't going to happen.
| 573 |
quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:39am |
re: #563 Charpete67
If the bill were acceptable then there would be no rush, there would be no deception and we would know exactly what is being proposed...since this is not the case, we see this exact situation occur.
| 574 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:41am |
re: #559 yochanan
are you on the snow side of the hill or the dry side?
Snow side, east of the divide. About 35 miles west of downtown Denver.
| 576 |
MandyManners Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:48:10am |
| 577 |
Irish Rose Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:48:13am |
Good morning, lizards.
Thank you to those who prayed for my recent employment prospect. Unfortunately I received word yesterday that the job went to another candidate.
I just can't seem to get a break.
| 578 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:48:22am |
re: #564 VioletTiger
"Joy." Lemme guess - not someplace you'd go to on your own?! How are you today?
| 580 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:48:32am |
| 581 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:48:52am |
re: #577 Irish Rose
Good morning, lizards.
Thank you to those who prayed for my recent employment prospect. Unfortunately I received word yesterday that the job went to another candidate.
I just can't seem to get a break.
{Rose} Sorry to hear that.
| 582 |
turn Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:49:07am |
re: #567 3 wood
Thanks, I'll give her your message.
bbml, keep it clean lizards and go easy on ice. Don't let her try and change the topic though, she's pretty clever at that.
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VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:49:17am |
On Fox now, Specter town hall. He is in favor of keeping single payer on the table, and public option on the table.
| 584 |
Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:49:17am |
re: #514 Walter L. Newton
Technology alert. I'm not Glenn Beck and I know the technologies that are behind the internet. Take may word for it, the
following information is important to you....cookies cookies cookies...
Read the article and ask questions.
From the LGF front page, before you log in:
"(To log in, cookies must be enabled in your browser!) "
| 585 |
quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:49:27am |
re: #577 Irish Rose
Sorry to hear that...You will find that break.
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yochanan Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:49:30am |
re: #515 quickjustice
My last trip to Paris, I saw some of these kids. They're ethnically Arab, but well-dressed in the latest Parisian fashions. By appearance, I'd call them clean-cut. They're not jihadists in any conventional sense.
They're more like juvenile delinquents. I saw them jumping turnstiles, and engaging in what we in NYC call "quality of life" crimes all over Paris. What was unusual was that female teenagers also were in the gangs.
France has oppressive labor laws that make it difficult to get a job, and difficult to fire a worker once hired. That hits kids especially hard. I think that having large numbers of unemployed and angry young people isn't good for any society, including France. I also think Arabs in France are discriminated against, even if they've westernized. They were brought in as cheap labor, and exploited. Now the French social welfare system tries to buy them off, and it isn't working. Your socialist state in action.
I THINK THE ISLAMISTS WILL GET A FOOT HOLD OR ALREADY HAVE OVER THIS
The French may lose France over this. It's a serious matter.
| 587 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:49:58am |
| 588 |
VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:50:08am |
re: #578 realwest
"Joy." Lemme guess - not someplace you'd go to on your own?! How are you today?
New York New York.
Hot this time of year. And crowded.
| 589 |
WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:50:09am |
re: #569 MandyManners
FCCBHO's political director is the former political director for SEIU.
This sure adds to my warm and fuzzy feelings about Obama.
/
| 590 |
KenJen Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:50:31am |
| 591 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:50:35am |
re: #582 turn
Thanks, I'll give her your message.
bbml, keep it clean lizards and go easy on ice. Don't let her try and change the topic though, she's pretty clever at that.
I've just decided she's not worth talking to; but I certainly would not have been part of whatever gangbang happened in some other thread.
...in bed.
| 592 |
quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:50:36am |
re: #583 VioletTiger
and he dared to pretend he was a republican..I am so glad he is gone
and for good now...since anyone with that agenda is toast
| 593 |
Lincolntf Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:50:51am |
re: #567 3 wood
Heard on ESPNRadio this morning...
Tony Dungy has been appointed as kind of a transition assistant for Vick on his way back into the NFL. Dungy seems to think there will be some news about Vick coming out this week. Says NFL teams are talking to him. Vick will be on 60 Minutes on Sunday.
I don't know if any of that is new info., but I was surprised to hear how positive Dungy was about Vick's prospects for this year.
| 595 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:51:00am |
re: #577 Irish Rose
Good morning, lizards.
Thank you to those who prayed for my recent employment prospect. Unfortunately I received word yesterday that the job went to another candidate.
I just can't seem to get a break.
Pray Fail! Sorry Rose.
| 596 |
RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:51:43am |
re: #587 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The "Concept Car "looks cool!
| 597 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:51:47am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:51:49am |
re: #584 Coracle
From the LGF front page, before you log in:
"(To log in, cookies must be enabled in your browser!) "
Mmmm, cookies.
| 599 |
quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:51:54am |
re: #530 Walter L. Newton
The banlieus (suburban ghettos) of Paris, Walter:
[Link: www.city-journal.org...]
| 600 |
MandyManners Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:52:02am |
re: #569 MandyManners
Gaspard directed the sending of hundreds of members of SEIU to Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana and other primary election states to campaign for FCBBHO.
| 601 |
Charpete67 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:52:07am |
re: #570 Charpete67
that reminds of the the Reagan quote:
socialism only exists in heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.
Another great quote from Reagan:
"if you think socialized medicine is expensive now, wait until it's free"
| 602 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:52:08am |
re: #577 Irish Rose
Sorry to hear that Rose, but I expect there's something out there for you just around the corner. I men look at how many folks you had to beat out before the last pick!
Best wishes to you in your job search.
| 603 |
apachegunner Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:52:11am |
re: #567 3 wood
Eventually. First I think he's going to have to play a season in Canada, Europe or the arena leagues to show he can still play. He sat out for quite a while, and not even the Raiders are that dumb. They don't give a rip about his criminal background, but they want to make sure he can produce on the field.
I disagree 3, mark my words that he will be a starting NFL QB before the end of the season
| 604 |
midwestgak Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:52:40am |
| 605 |
jjmckay1216 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:53:10am |
re: #398 Walter L. Newton
Hoody. Off to walk the dogs in a few minutes. Chilly, 49 degrees. Be back in a bit.
isn't it GREAT to be on Colorado? Wake up nice and cool
| 606 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:53:21am |
re: #577 Irish Rose
Good morning, lizards.
Thank you to those who prayed for my recent employment prospect. Unfortunately I received word yesterday that the job went to another candidate.
I just can't seem to get a break.
Now, I updinged that, not because I am glad you can't get a break. But because you didn't get that... because the prayers didn't...
I NEVER KNOW HOW TO DING THOSE!
| 607 |
MandyManners Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:53:46am |
The Kid's in school. It's quiet. The laundry can wait. So can the bits of toothpaste in The Kid's sink. I'm napping.
Later, Lizards!
| 608 |
quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:54:11am |
Here are plans for the New GM Cadillac Brougham d' elegance
[Link: www.patentstorm.us...]
| 609 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:54:13am |
re: #604 midwestgak
Why does it have three additional names?
GAK? I just look a the shiny pictures.
*drool* shiny *drool*
| 611 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:54:35am |
re: #584 Coracle
From the LGF front page, before you log in:
"(To log in, cookies must be enabled in your browser!) "
I'm not sure what your reference is in regards to. Charles uses cookies to help keep your user information safe and on YOUR side of the connection.
The article I was referring to, and the technology I was talking about goes a lot further than the cookies you get from LGF.
The article is talking about the sort of cookie that tracks all sorts of stuff about you, and your use of the federal website. Yes, this sort of cookie tracking could be used for all sorts of invasive reasons.
And, it could be benign. But the fact remains, that the federal government limited the use of cookie in 2000, realizing that if abused, they could invade on your privacy.
Now Obama wants to eliminate those laws and head in a more invasive direction.
| 612 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:54:38am |
re: #587 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thankew! That's not such a bad looking car! I read the claims of 230 mpg with some interest - would be cool if it has any getty up and go!
Also wonder what the MPG is if it's running off battery; 40 miles isn't all that far and what is the cost (electrical I mean) of charging it up?
| 613 |
opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:54:54am |
re: #560 apachegunner
I to have not read the bill. I trust 3W and Walter pretty much to tell me what it said.
Obama is not making the mistake that Hillary made. Hillary was specific & '
understandable & you know how that turned out.
The proposals this time around are gobblygook & give the supporters what they think is credible denial over the more draconion parts.
It was important to get it done before the August recess, because it is now being somewhat understood.
Blue Dogs have to decide if they want to be reelected or roll the dice to get a good committe assignment.
| 614 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:55:17am |
re: #599 quickjustice
The banlieus (suburban ghettos) of Paris, Walter:
[Link: www.city-journal.org...]
I know, been there, talked to people.
| 615 |
Irish Rose Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:55:43am |
re: #566 quickjustice
The Weasel is a liberal lady, charming and not without guile. She's trapped by the inconsistencies in the Democrat health care "plan" (there really are several), which changes daily. The Democrats also are scrambling for talking points that will work with the electorate. (That's what they're all about-- talking points and messaging. Your government in action.)
The Weasel is inconsistent, because when one talking point fails, she merely shifts to another, even if it's inconsistent with her previous talking point. It's all expediency, all the time. We're all guinea pigs here for Weasel's latest talking points.
Ice is a member here in good standing. Perhaps you'd like to wait for her to actually log in, before you start ragging on her yet again. Just a suggestion.
| 616 |
quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:55:48am |
re: #601 Charpete67
We say "if someone wants to give you something free, you might not want a whole lot of it."
| 617 |
MrSilverDragon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:56:59am |
Good morning, folks. It's a brand new day in the sweltering tropic of Maryland. Hope y'all are getting a good start to the day!
| 618 |
jjmckay1216 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:57:24am |
re: #567 3 wood
Eventually. First I think he's going to have to play a season in Canada, Europe or the arena leagues to show he can still play. He sat out for quite a while, and not even the Raiders are that dumb. They don't give a rip about his criminal background, but they want to make sure he can produce on the field.
the Arena league is folding, so it might be the UFL or Canada
| 619 |
quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:57:45am |
re: #617 MrSilverDragon
Good morning..will you be getting a nice Maryland tan today??
| 620 |
lawhawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:57:51am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the Palestinian spin cycle is in full operation - set to whirred peas - given that they're trying to claim that the same old faces are somehow new faces.
Meanwhile, does anyone really think that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is as secure as they say it is? You shouldn't, and the revelation that their facilities have come under major attack three times is all the more troubling. They don't want people to know the severity of the situation, and the sad fact is that we're only as secure as the least secure nuclear weapon.
| 621 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:58:00am |
re: #588 VioletTiger
HEY! New York, New York usually means Manhattan, my "hometown" and I've heard it's only gone over 90
degreesonce this summer!
| 622 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:58:02am |
re: #577 Irish Rose
Good morning, lizards.
Thank you to those who prayed for my recent employment prospect. Unfortunately I received word yesterday that the job went to another candidate.
I just can't seem to get a break.
Crap. Sorry, Rose. I just said the same thing last week about not catching a break and it's very wearing on your body and soul. I'm working on filling out my PT week with another client but it is so hard, particularly for those of us in MI.
| 623 |
Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:58:10am |
re: #615 Irish Rose
Ice is a member here in good standing. Perhaps you'd like to wait for her to actually log in, before you start ragging on her yet again. Just a suggestion.
The obsession really is getting old.
| 624 |
midwestgak Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:58:38am |
re: #577 Irish Rose
Just getting your foot in the door is quite a feat these days.
Look at this as a rehersal for the next opportunity.
I've been there and even though I didn't the job, I remember the interview like it happened yesterday and learned a few tips on what to say and what not to say.
Hang in there.
| 625 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:58:53am |
re: #594 midwestgak
Good morning {gak} - I'm trying to! Thanks for the kind words.
| 626 |
Digital Display Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:59:13am |
Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day?
| 627 |
quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:00:03am |
re: #620 lawhawk
Pakistan is a keg of manure on so many levels..like the saying "you can't win for losing" personified.
| 628 |
Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:00:13am |
re: #522 quiet man
Sure..if the policy is explained, shown to be bipartisan and a genuine win..why not??
This country is so diverse and policy-opinionated that such an animal does not not exist.
| 629 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:00:19am |
re: #612 realwest
Thankew! That's not such a bad looking car! I read the claims of 230 mpg with some interest - would be cool if it has any getty up and go!
Also wonder what the MPG is if it's running off battery; 40 miles isn't all that far and what is the cost (electrical I mean) of charging it up?
It will be like the diesel-electric subs on batteries:
1 hour at 9 knots
20 hours at 1 knot
(not exact figures, but they give you the idea)
So you'll get 40 miles at 30 MPH, 1/4 mile at 230 MPH.
| 630 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:00:21am |
| 632 |
opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:00:26am |
re: #603 apachegunner
I disagree 3, mark my words that he will be a starting NFL QB before the end of the season
Yeah, I think that you are right, some team will be desperate.
The thing is thet Vicks strength was always athleticism, not not great passing. By NFL standards his legs are no longer young.
| 633 |
apachegunner Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:00:33am |
re: #613 opinion
Obama is not making the mistake that Hillary made. Hillary was specific & '
understandable & you know how that turned out.
The proposals this time around are gobblygook & give the supporters what they think is credible denial over the more draconion parts.
It was important to get it done before the August recess, because it is now being somewhat understood.
Blue Dogs have to decide if they want to be reelected or roll the dice to get a good committe assignment.
yes, but how do you get a good committee assignment when your no longer a congress critter? better to wait for that assignment and represent the majority of your constituents so one may stay in office.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:01:10am |
re: #619 quiet man
Good morning..will you be getting a nice Maryland tan today??
Not me, as I turn into a cooked lobster at the mere mention of the sun.
I'd probably be safe in SPF 900. Maybe.
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quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:01:10am |
re: #571 Macker
France is lost when the French give up. A percentage of the French nation already has surrendered (are you surprised?), but there are those in France who give us hope.
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apachegunner Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:01:26am |
re: #615 Irish Rose
Ice is a member here in good standing. Perhaps you'd like to wait for her to actually log in, before you start ragging on her yet again. Just a suggestion.
I like ICE
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Charpete67 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:01:27am |
re: #537 Walter L. Newton
According to the progressives, Rasmussen is never correct.
...except when he most accurately predicted their guy would win...
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Spider Mensch Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:02:17am |
re: #632 opnion
Yeah, I think that you are right, some team will be desperate.
The thing is thet Vicks strength was always athleticism, not not great passing. By NFL standards his legs are no longer young.
punt returner on the Lions..hehehe..that'll get those legs back into shape..lol
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apachegunner Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:02:36am |
re: #617 MrSilverDragon
Good morning, folks. It's a brand new day in the sweltering tropic of Maryland. Hope y'all are getting a good start to the day!
I'll be at Meade week after next, hope its cool by then.
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Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:02:47am |
re: #529 WinterCat
The question you have just asked me does not justify Obama's outrageous statement in the slightest.
The question you asked me did not justify your outrage.
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albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:02:47am |
The big problem is the legislation itself. If Obama wants to fix that, then he needs a meeting with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, not the people of Bozeman and Portsmouth.
[Link: hotair.com...]
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:03:03am |
re: #620 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the Palestinian spin cycle is in full operation - set to whirred peas - given that they're trying to claim that the same old faces are somehow new faces.
Meanwhile, does anyone really think that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is as secure as they say it is? You shouldn't, and the revelation that their facilities have come under major attack three times is all the more troubling. They don't want people to know the severity of the situation, and the sad fact is that we're only as secure as the least secure nuclear weapon.
They should move the weapons. Maybe.
Even if they have to go to someplace without all the visible security, if their location isn't known, they're more secure. But I doubt Pakistan can keep the location hidden, or even the move secret, which would make them very vulnerable.
I'll be glad to guard them and make sure no terrorists get them.
/
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quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:03:24am |
re: #628 Coracle
It is true you cant get 1000 people to whistle the same song together..but in truth, we are seeing a huge political information transfer in the making...so I say a real consensus of a large majority can be included..especially when deception and party politics are not the sole goal.
| 644 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:04:03am |
I hope Vick is truly repentant and gets another shot. I hope that the wacko's will leave him be.
Funny, the same person who says a "felon has paid his debt to society and deserves the right to vote", won't give Vick a chance to earn a living every again.
More lefty intellectual dishonesty.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:04:30am |
re: #637 Charpete67
...except when he most accurately predicted their guy would win...
Rasmussun was the most accurate poll in the last election cycle. But progressives will tell you, right to your face, in total disregard for independent statement to this fact, that Rasmussen is wrong.
Progressives will also tell you someone never said something when they did, they will tell you THEY never said something when they did and they when you show them what they said, they simply run away.
Ever see that happen?
| 646 |
Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:04:32am |
re: #532 JamesTKirk
Do I think any president, right or left, should be capable of brooking dissent without calling anyone who disagrees with him "un-American" and sending in goons to beat them up and silence them?
Hell yeah.
Well, we're in agreement there. Good thing we don't have such a president.
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quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:04:47am |
re: #615 Irish Rose
The Weasel and I had a knock down drag out a couple of days ago on health care. I said to her face what I've just said in these comments. So no, Irish, I don't backstab.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:05:05am |
re: #644 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Why do I add a "Y" to the end of ever, almost every time I type it?
WHYYY!
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quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:05:37am |
re: #645 Walter L. Newton
Thats a dog that wont fight hunt
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albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:05:38am |
re: #644 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hope Vick is truly repentant and gets another shot. I hope that the wacko's will leave him be.
Funny, the same person who says a "felon has paid his debt to society and deserves the right to vote", won't give Vick a chance to earn a living every again.
More lefty intellectual dishonesty.
earn a living?...he made millions in the NFL
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jjmckay1216 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:06:24am |
re: #651 albusteve
earn a living?...he made millions in the NFL
He had to give money back to the Falcons, pay fines to the feds and he is basically broke
| 654 |
quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:06:30am |
re: #636 apachegunner
I don't dislike the Weasel. I do think she experiments on us with the latest Democratic talking points, however.
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opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:06:49am |
re: #633 apachegunner
yes, but how do you get a good committee assignment when your no longer a congress critter? better to wait for that assignment and represent the majority of your constituents so one may stay in office.
That is the quandary for the Blue Dogs, but the Dems have an issue that they do not seem to give appropriate attention to.
If they are successful brow beating & bribing the Blue Dogs , they could lose the House.
Many of these people come from moderate to Conservative districts.
Public opinion is now trending against Obama Care.
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Digital Display Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:06:50am |
re: #644 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hope Vick is truly repentant and gets another shot. I hope that the wacko's will leave him be.
Funny, the same person who says a "felon has paid his debt to society and deserves the right to vote", won't give Vick a chance to earn a living every again.
More lefty intellectual dishonesty.
ESPN is reporting that 5 teams have expressed interest in Vick..
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:06:57am |
re: #651 albusteve
earn a living?...he made millions in the NFL
And he's so broke, he can't pay attention.
Made some very bad choices: lifestyles, associations, etc.
If he's repentant (not just that he got caught) I hope he gets a shot at redemption.
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:07:00am |
re: #621 realwest
HEY! New York, New York usually means Manhattan, my "hometown" and I've heard it's only gone over 90
degreesonce this summer!
Yes. 90 degrees yesterday for the first time all summer. It might get to 90 degrees again today, but I doubt it. First time in decades that we went June and July without a 90 degree day.
It's been a cool summer so far, but things could change in a hurry.
It's also been a quiet Atlantic tropical season, but that could change in a hurry too. So far, no named storms, but we've had late seasons that ended badly - think 1992 and Hurricane Andrew. All it takes is one hurricane and you've got yourself a huge mess.
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KenJen Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:07:19am |
re: #653 jjmckay1216
He had to give money back to the Falcons, pay fines to the feds and he is basically broke
Good. He deserves to be. IMHO.
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yochanan Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:07:38am |
mr. zero do you still want to make parts of Jerusalem judenfrei?
if I forget Jerusalem may my right arm lose its power.
if I have to chose between washington d.c. or Jerusalem I will choose Jerusalem every time.
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Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:07:44am |
re: #645 Walter L. Newton
Rasmussun was the most accurate poll in the last election cycle. But progressives will tell you, right to your face, in total disregard for independent statement to this fact, that Rasmussen is wrong.
Progressives will also tell you someone never said something when they did, they will tell you THEY never said something when they did and they when you show them what they said, they simply run away.
Ever see that happen?
From today...
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 30% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-seven percent (37%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -7 (see trends). Forty-five percent (45%) give the President good or excellent marks for leadership.
Rasmussen Reports will release new polling data measuring support for health care reform at 10:30 a.m. Eastern today. Premium Members can get an advance look at the results. Data released yesterday shows that 51% fear the federal government more than private insurance companies. Thirty-two percent (32%) favor a single-payer health care system for the U.S. while 57% are opposed.
The Presidential Approval Index is calculated by subtracting the number who Strongly Disapprove from the number who Strongly Approve. It is updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update). Updates also available on Twitter.
Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove. For more measures of the President's performance, see Obama By the Numbers and recent demographic highlights from the tracking polls.
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quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:07:44am |
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Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:07:46am |
re: #537 Walter L. Newton
According to the progressives, Rasmussen is never correct.
Right or wrong, Rasmussen is a constant outlier.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:08:13am |
re: #649 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Why do I add a "Y" to the end of ever, almost every time I type it?
WHYYY!
It's that accursed Y chromosone. Always messing us guys up. Just ask just about any woman, she'll tell you.
| 665 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:08:33am |
re: #653 jjmckay1216
He had to give money back to the Falcons, pay fines to the feds and he is basically broke
I know he's broke...too bad...he tossed away his career and all the endorsements...I suppose he should be reinstated but I hope he just fades away...he's bad for the league
| 666 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:08:42am |
re: #658 lawhawk
Yes. 90 degrees yesterday for the first time all summer. It might get to 90 degrees again today, but I doubt it. First time in decades that we went June and July without a 90 degree day.
It's been a cool summer so far, but things could change in a hurry.
It's also been a quiet Atlantic tropical season, but that could change in a hurry too. So far, no named storms, but we've had late seasons that ended badly - think 1992 and Hurricane Andrew. All it takes is one hurricane and you've got yourself a huge mess.
And that's the problem, the quiet Atlantic is due to climate change, which we need to fix.
///
| 667 |
opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:08:50am |
re: #638 Spider Mensch
punt returner on the Lions..hehehe..that'll get those legs back into shape..lol
You could use the Lions to place people in Witness Protection, you
are hardly ever seen.
| 668 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:08:51am |
re: #653 jjmckay1216
He had to give money back to the Falcons, pay fines to the feds and he is basically broke
Well, he'd better not go into dog training.
| 669 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:09:15am |
Howdy.
So, I see the lizards have already noticed the Restive French Yoot Car-B-Que story. My favorite aspect of it:
The anger erupted when an 18-year-old pizza deliverer died in a motorcycle crash after fleeing a police check Sunday night. The unrest that night prompted police to send about 40 vans of riot officers to the housing project Monday night
So, let's see: The last big car-b-que was prompted by two yoots who, while running from police, climbed into an electrical substation (which was clearly marked as such) and fried themselves. This time, it's a yoot who flees from a stationary police checkpoint, and wipes out on his motorcycle. The last go-round wound up with top-drawer French pols showing up for some stinky "memorial" and apology-fest for the dumb, dead yoots. I'm sure something simliar will happen this time. It must truly suck being a French cop.
| 670 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:09:16am |
re: #661 Pianobuff
From today...
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 30% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-seven percent (37%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -7 (see trends). Forty-five percent (45%) give the President good or excellent marks for leadership.
Rasmussen Reports will release new polling data measuring support for health care reform at 10:30 a.m. Eastern today. Premium Members can get an advance look at the results. Data released yesterday shows that 51% fear the federal government more than private insurance companies. Thirty-two percent (32%) favor a single-payer health care system for the U.S. while 57% are opposed.
The Presidential Approval Index is calculated by subtracting the number who Strongly Disapprove from the number who Strongly Approve. It is updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update). Updates also available on Twitter.
Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove. For more measures of the President's performance, see Obama By the Numbers and recent demographic highlights from the tracking polls.
They're wrong.
/
| 671 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:09:38am |
Hey y'all - this is probably old new to y'all but on F&F today, Congressman Fleming (R-La) said that he has introduced a bill requiring all members of Congress to sign on to the Public Health part of the Reform Bill/Proposal and sent a letter to each congresscritter there (ok, ok, he said Congresspersons) and while he's had a "terrific" response from Republicans, not one Democrat has agreed. And, typical techtard that he is, he said we could all "sign" his petition by going to:
fleming.gov.org.
He missed an "@" there somewhere - but then the uber stupid guy, not Doucy, the other one Brian something or other asked about Obama's Town Hall meeting in (I think Vermont) and how it was a good idea cause then the President will hear opposing points of view. Fleming and Doucy had to remind him that participation at that event was by White House Invitation Only and that they doubted that Obama would get any "difficult" questions.
| 672 |
bloodnok Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:10:11am |
re: #654 quickjustice
I don't dislike the Weasel. I do think she experiments on us with the latest Democratic talking points, however.
Why is it that contrary opinions are now automatically "talking points"? It happens on both sides and it cheapens the arguments. Once it is used it presumes an ulterior motive above and beyond the fact that the person simply disagrees with you.
| 673 |
Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:10:35am |
re: #556 Lincolntf
Hey, it's far from ideal. But it seems that a 40 mile electric only range is pretty good for urban and near suburban communities. Switch over to gas for the long haul. I would greatly prefer a 200+ mile range. Heck a 400+ mile range, even. But I'll take the increments as they come.
| 674 |
apachegunner Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:10:38am |
re: #655 opnion
That is the quandary for the Blue Dogs, but the Dems have an issue that they do not seem to give appropriate attention to.
If they are successful brow beating & bribing the Blue Dogs , they could lose the House.
Many of these people come from moderate to Conservative districts.
Public opinion is now trending against Obama Care.
You bet and I truly believe they'll lose the house in 2010. If they don't then all is lost :>(
| 676 |
WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:11:49am |
| 677 |
Irish Rose Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:11:55am |
| 678 |
quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:12:10am |
re: #674 apachegunner
This is the make or break moment for them...since this aint going away no matter what happens.
question is, will the GOP have the snaklies to run on that??
| 679 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:12:23am |
re: #660 yochanan
mr. zero do you still want to make parts of Jerusalem judenfrei?
if I forget Jerusalem may my right arm lose its power.
if I have to chose between washington d.c. or Jerusalem I will choose Jerusalem every time.
I agree, and I wish I could give you more updings.
| 680 |
Charpete67 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:12:27am |
re: #645 Walter L. Newton
Rasmussun was the most accurate poll in the last election cycle. But progressives will tell you, right to your face, in total disregard for independent statement to this fact, that Rasmussen is wrong.
Progressives will also tell you someone never said something when they did, they will tell you THEY never said something when they did and they when you show them what they said, they simply run away.
Ever see that happen?
There was a CNN interview up here the other day with the woman who had the original response to Drudge on what Obama said about healthcare. It was amazing how she claimed Obama was never in favor of a single payer or that "public option" was a trojan horse for universal health care. When the interviewer said there was an un-edited video from 2003 of Obama saying exactly that, she went back to her denials and talking points. The interviewer just let it stand...unbelievable.
| 681 |
quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:12:50am |
re: #666 Walter L. Newton
Fixing the weather-- the dream of every drought-struck midwestern town, and of environmentalists everywhere. Didn't Gore claim disastrous hurricanes would ravage the planet as a consequence of gobal Warming?
| 682 |
Pigtown Water Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:12:53am |
re: #577 Irish Rose
Hang in there, honey. You'll get the right opportunity soon. Hugs.
| 683 |
redstateredneck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:13:20am |
re: #671 realwest
Hey y'all - this is probably old new to y'all but on F&F today, Congressman Fleming (R-La) said that he has introduced a bill requiring all members of Congress to sign on to the Public Health part of the Reform Bill/Proposal and sent a letter to each congresscritter there (ok, ok, he said Congresspersons) and while he's had a "terrific" response from Republicans, not one Democrat has agreed.
Probably more of a "statement" than anything really substantive, but I like the idea!
Hey, {real}..how you and {mom} doing today, anyway?
| 684 |
quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:13:39am |
re: #672 bloodnok
I know the difference between an argument and a "talking point". Do you?
| 685 |
yochanan Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:14:08am |
re: #677 Irish Rose
are they quality stalkers or just run of the mill trolls?
| 686 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:14:12am |
re: #673 Coracle
Hey, it's far from ideal. But it seems that a 40 mile electric only range is pretty good for urban and near suburban communities. Switch over to gas for the long haul. I would greatly prefer a 200+ mile range. Heck a 400+ mile range, even. But I'll take the increments as they come.
But how much is that range reduced when you still need to run heat or AC while waiting in traffic?
| 687 |
opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:14:26am |
re: #674 apachegunner
You bet and I truly believe they'll lose the house in 2010. If they don't then all is lost :>(
That's the goal. If I have it right it would take a swing of about 20 Districts, definately doable.
| 688 |
jjmckay1216 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:14:32am |
re: #665 albusteve
I know he's broke...too bad...he tossed away his career and all the endorsements...I suppose he should be reinstated but I hope he just fades away...he's bad for the league
Makes no difference to me if he is reinstated, but I still think he deserves to earn a living. If he went to work at McDonald's the PETA folks would still be out there protesting. So if he ends up in Canada, the UFL or NFL or Starbucks, it will still be the same. Protesters not wanting him to earn a living which, IMO, he deserves to do since he paid his debt.
| 689 |
Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:15:02am |
Good Morning Lizards. Quiztime!
Who said this?
To achieve health care reform, "I'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We'll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies -- they'll get a seat at the table, they just won't be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies. And so, that approach, I think is what is going to allow people to stay involved in this process."
President Obama, why is Big Pharma now laying down 150 Million dollars to advertise and campaign for Obamacare (which is more, by the way, then McCain spent on his whole campaign last year) and why did you lie to us about having a transparent debate?
Did you know that even Robert Reich has criticized this move by Obama as being bad for democracy? That's right, Robert Reich. So I'll ask one more time...
President Obama, why is Big Pharma now laying down 150 Million dollars to advertise and campaign for Obamacare and why did you lie to us about having a transparent debate??
| 690 |
quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:15:08am |
re: #680 Charpete67
Obama and the dems have to lie and lie huge. They can't ever say what the goal is and be honest.
They would lose huge if they did..with the lies , distortions, and blue smoke right now, they have a drop of cover with their base, who, in truth do not care what happens.
| 691 |
Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:15:43am |
| 692 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:15:59am |
re: #648 quickjustice
Don't sweat it quickjustice, I said to Jimmah a few days ago that I didn't think we ought to talk about folks who've been banned since they can't respond and he commented that these rules only seem to apply to "Right Wingers" as folks continued to bash Cognito when he left. His position was supported by, iirc, Sharmuta who talked about what a weird "code" it is to not talk about someone who's been banned but only if they are from the Left side.
I had no answer cause except for Congnito, I don't recall a Left winger ever being banned.
| 693 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:16:54am |
I'm watching Arlen Specter's town hall. The senior citizen mobsters are engaging in the outrageous behavior of asking tough questions with raised voices! Oh, I mourn for the days of civil discourse we had during the Bush years...
/
| 694 |
bloodnok Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:16:56am |
re: #684 quickjustice
I know the difference between an argument and a "talking point". Do you?
Apparently not as you define it. Or is what I just said a talking point?
| 695 |
quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:17:11am |
re: #672 bloodnok
To further your education:[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 696 |
redstateredneck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:17:27am |
Those of you who pray, please take a moment and ask for strength, peace & comfort for a family I know who has lost a second child to a car accident. Both deaths occurred when the cars they were in went off bridges and they couldn't get out. A beautiful 20 year old girl was lost last night. I don't know how this family can survive losing two children like this. You don't need to know their names...God does.
Thanks.
| 697 |
quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:17:29am |
re: #692 realwest
Do you think that is a foretaste of things to come here??
| 698 |
Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:17:32am |
re: #643 quiet man
It is true you cant get 1000 people to whistle the same song together..but in truth, we are seeing a huge political information transfer in the making...so I say a real consensus of a large majority can be included..especially when deception and party politics are not the sole goal.
I don't think I'd disagree with that. Only problem is neither party is very good at - nor very interested in - not being deceptive and not playing politics.
| 699 |
badger1970 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:17:48am |
re: #656 HoosierHoops
The Pack is one of them. I wonder what Dan Devine has to say about it.
| 700 |
MJ Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:18:21am |
Eunice Kennedy Shriver dies at 88
Eunice Kennedy Shriver, the founder of the Special Olympics and sister of former President John F. Kennedy, died early this morning at Cape Cod Hospital in Hyannis, Mass...
[Link: thehill.com...]
| 701 |
quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:18:39am |
re: #694 bloodnok
Repeat after me: "Ignorance is not the same as sarcasm, ignorance is not the same as sarcasm. . ."
| 702 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:18:53am |
re: #658 lawhawk
Good morning lawhawk! "All it takes is one hurricane and you've got yourself a huge mess." Not anymore, Bush isn't President anymore, remember?!
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quiet man Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:18:55am |
re: #698 Coracle
A perfect reason not to allow any of them full control of your life..and full control of your life is part and parcel with Obamas health care lie
I have to fix my boys some B'fast..later!!
| 704 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:18:55am |
re: #696 redstateredneck
Those of you who pray, please take a moment and ask for strength, peace & comfort for a family I know who has lost a second child to a car accident. Both deaths occurred when the cars they were in went off bridges and they couldn't get out. A beautiful 20 year old girl was lost last night. I don't know how this family can survive losing two children like this. You don't need to know their names...God does.
Thanks.
Praying...
| 705 |
KenJen Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:19:09am |
re: #686 Kosh's Shadow
But how much is that range reduced when you still need to run heat or AC while waiting in traffic?
Good question. Also, can the battery be re-charged while the car is in gas mode or does it have to be plugged in?
| 707 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:20:15am |
re: #691 Pianobuff
No that we have that out of the way...
Well, my statement works with most progressives. A firm denial, no facts, no debate, say the magic words and it never happened, it's a never-was, a non-person, a before-your-after, or in the least, it's, well... an old comment. You know how it works?
| 708 |
bloodnok Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:20:17am |
re: #701 quickjustice
Repeat after me: "Ignorance is not the same as sarcasm, ignorance is not the same as sarcasm. . ."
Got a wiki link for that? I so needs you to egucate me!
| 709 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:20:20am |
re: #700 MJ
Eunice Kennedy Shriver dies at 88
[Link: thehill.com...]
Rest in Peace. And prayers for the family.
| 710 |
Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:20:21am |
re: #662 quiet man
We have that exact same two heartbeats away from the President.
No, we don't. This isn't a schoolyard.
| 711 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:21:06am |
re: #663 Coracle
Maybe because Rasmussen only polls "likely voters"?
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Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:22:42am |
re: #707 Walter L. Newton
Well, my statement works with most progressives. A firm denial, no facts, no debate, say the magic words and it never happened, it's a never-was, a non-person, a before-your-after, or in the least, it's, well... an old comment. You know how it works?
Yup. So are you going to watch the C-Span debate on healthcare that Obama promised us?
Oh wait, he lied and there is none...
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Irish Rose Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:22:49am |
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:23:11am |
re: #688 jjmckay1216
Makes no difference to me if he is reinstated, but I still think he deserves to earn a living. If he went to work at McDonald's the PETA folks would still be out there protesting. So if he ends up in Canada, the UFL or NFL or Starbucks, it will still be the same. Protesters not wanting him to earn a living which, IMO, he deserves to do since he paid his debt.
He deserves a living, but not to be a role model.
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Lincolntf Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:24:13am |
re: #680 Charpete67
I've heard Obama say exactly that a few times. I'm sure the links were through LGF, but I don't know what they were.
For him (and his various Baghdad Bob's), to deny it is an insult to everyone with ears.
Obama lies, single-payer dies...
“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program.” (applause) “I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”
Obama speaking to the Illinois AFL-CIO, June 30, 2003.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:24:40am |
re: #645 Walter L. Newton
Progressives will also tell you someone never said something when they did, they will tell you THEY never said something when they did and they when you show them what they said, they simply run away.Ever see that happen?
Indeed. As I've mentioned before, while I think left and right can mirror each other quite a lot in many respects, but this isn't one of them. Those on the left are much more apt to simply deny their own words, IMHO.
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Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:24:54am |
re: #703 quiet man
I seem to have missed the "Full control of your life" clause in the various health reform proposals. Could you point out the page?
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realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:24:58am |
re: #675 jcm
Good morning jcm - *gasp* it's RAINING IN WASHINGTON STATE?! What a news bulletin! LOL!
Good morning my friend, hope you're well today.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:25:09am |
re: #713 Pianobuff
Yup. So are you going to watch the C-Span debate on healthcare that Obama promised us?
Oh wait, he lied and there is none...
He lied to his base because that's what they wanted to hear. Just like he lie to his base (over and over) about single-payer. He never really meant those things, he was just promising those things to his far left progressives to keep them quiet. That's is the reasoning that I was told by a tried and true progressive.
He lied and his supporters admit it and are proud of it.
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jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:26:14am |
Fact finding... on your dime...
Lawmakers and some spouses went diving and snorkeling at the Great Barrier Reef, rode a cable car through the Australian rain forest and visited a penguin breeding ground during the 11-day trip, the newspaper reported. The group also stopped in Hawaii on the way home.
[snip]
"They basically are scaring members away from the water," with the result that "we will have no one in Congress who is knowledgeable and has firsthand experience in the ocean,"
Ahhh, a vacation, paid by the taxpayers, makes one a expert on climate change.
ex·pert (ekspûrt)
ex - a has been; spurt - a drip under pressure.
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redstateredneck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:26:16am |
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realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:27:12am |
re: #683 redstateredneck
Hey {red} we're doing ok, just baking in the heat (it's now already 86 degrees!). How are y'all doing?
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jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:27:22am |
re: #719 realwest
Good morning jcm - *gasp* it's RAINING IN WASHINGTON STATE?! What a news bulletin! LOL!
Good morning my friend, hope you're well today.
LOL! Hey, it's headline news, no measurable rain since July 13, the webs between my toes was gettin' might dry.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:27:27am |
re: #700 MJ
Eunice Kennedy Shriver dies at 88
[Link: thehill.com...]
Condolences to the family. I do have to ask, though; why is this being touted as top-of-the hour, headline news?
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:27:35am |
re: #692 realwest
Don't sweat it quickjustice, I said to Jimmah a few days ago that I didn't think we ought to talk about folks who've been banned since they can't respond and he commented that these rules only seem to apply to "Right Wingers" as folks continued to bash Cognito when he left. His position was supported by, iirc, Sharmuta who talked about what a weird "code" it is to not talk about someone who's been banned but only if they are from the Left side.
I had no answer cause except for Congnito, I don't recall a Left winger ever being banned.
Charles himself mentions former lizards and what it is they're doing, so it doesn't seem to be an issue for the site owner, even if it does make other people uncomfortable to know their friends have gone stalker.
And it's easy to spot who some potential future stalkers might be. Hell- they already show signs of it here. iDub is already living in some people's heads. I think some people need to get a grip.
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yma o hyd Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:27:37am |
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
How are things?
How is the weather?
Here, its lovely and sunny today - rain and cool yesterday, rain and cool tomorrow ...
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VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:27:58am |
Anybody else listening to the Specter health care town hall on Fox? Fascinating. People are asking very good questions. They read the bill. They are reading parts of it as part of their questions.
Hardly a mob.
Specter is still standing but he is under fire.
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Charpete67 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:27:59am |
re: #723 KenJen
That wasn't the Obama he knew./
...wait a second...there's no way Obama could be Obama for 47 years and not know what Obama said...///
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Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:28:09am |
re: #711 realwest
Maybe because Rasmussen only polls "likely voters"?
That is possible. Does that make it a more or less accurate representation of the populace at large? I have not seen any studies that break down the opinions of "likely voters" vs. "average americans" or whatever other demos are out there.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:28:14am |
71 Senators to Obama: How About Pressuring the Arabs?
No fewer than 71 US Senators – including only six of the 13 Jewish ones – sent a letter to US President Barack Obama on Monday, asking him to press Arab states to recognize and normalize relations with Israel. The effort, led by Senators Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) and Jim Risch (R-Idaho), was promoted by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).The 71 signatories included the Senate leaders and whips of both parties, namely, Senators Harry Reid (D-Nev.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.).
The letter states that Israel’s efforts toward peace are not being met with equal efforts by Arab states. A similar letter was sent by 226 House members of both parties last week to Saudi Arabia, calling on its leaders to deepen their commitment to peace with Israel.
Arab Op-Ed: What More Do You Want? We Allow Israel to Exist!
The Hill – a daily Washington paper that describes itself as a “nonpartisan, non-ideological daily paper for and about Congress” - reported on the letter together with an editorial rebuttal by Dr. Ghassan Michel Rubeiz published in the Dubai-based Khaleej Times. The Hill quotes the editorial as “not[ing] that Arab nations offered a peace plan in 2002 that allowed Israel 78 percent of disputed land” – implying that all of pre-1967 Israel exists on “disputed land” and that the Arab peace plan was magnanimous in “allowing” Israel to exist in these borders.Responding to the Senators’ call for “dramatic steps” from the Arab countries, Rubeiz writes that the above Arab peace plan in which the Arabs “allow” Israel to exist, was itself a “far reaching and dramatic offer.” The plan also calls for a “just solution” regarding Arab refugees and their millions of descendants, as well as the relinquishing of eastern Jerusalem for the capital of a Palestinian state; in return, the Arab states promise to normalize relations with Israel.
Yeah, right, "allow Israel to exist" - but under the Arab "peace" plan, Israel would have to take all the refugees.
Here's the roll call. Of my senators, Kerry voted right; Kennedy voted no. Asshole. [Remainder of comments of what should happen to Kennedy deleted]
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:28:38am |
re: #732 Kosh's Shadow
Hit the wrong button
Here's the roll call
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albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:28:51am |
re: #707 Walter L. Newton
Well, my statement works with most progressives. A firm denial, no facts, no debate, say the magic words and it never happened, it's a never-was, a non-person, a before-your-after, or in the least, it's, well... an old comment. You know how it works?
check this out
[Link: spectator.org...]
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:29:13am |
re: #717 Occasional Reader
Indeed. As I've mentioned before, while I think left and right can mirror each other quite a lot in many respects, but this isn't one of them. Those on the left are much more apt to simply deny their own words, IMHO.
I was talking about this to my girlfriend this morning. Progressives (it's such a pretty word for socialist) will almost never admit to a mistake, whether the mistake is premeditated or an accident.
I've apologized many time here on LGF. I've been wrong, a number of times, and I have no problem admitting to that.
But the left, it's the most dishonest thing about them. They can speak or write in the most simplest and clear way, and turn right around and deny any connection to a thought or remark.
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Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:29:54am |
re: #720 Walter L. Newton
He lied to his base because that's what they wanted to hear. Just like he lie to his base (over and over) about single-payer. He never really meant those things, he was just promising those things to his far left progressives to keep them quiet. That's is the reasoning that I was told by a tried and true progressive.
He lied and his supporters admit it and are proud of it.
Well this is the game that you end up with Obama. You have to play "pick the lie". He says two different things to two different groups at two different times and then claims "I've been totally consistent" even when his statements are completely at odds with each other.
Sounds like in the game of "pick the lie" you feel that Obama is lying to the progressive wing.
I sorta come down on the other side. I think that Obama was telling the truth when he said single payer is ideal, we need to start with the system we have and look down the road 10 to 20 years for a transition to single payer.
The fun thing about playing "pick the lie" is that both sides win, since Obama will later claim opposite positions are actually the same.
So Walter, you win... I win... everybody wins. It's a win-win!!!
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realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:30:09am |
re: #697 quiet man
Is what a foretaste of things to come here?
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:30:10am |
re: #726 Occasional Reader
Condolences to the family. I do have to ask, though; why is this being touted as top-of-the hour, headline news?
Well, she did start the Special Olympics. That's more good overall than some of her family.
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haakondahl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:30:15am |
re: #47 ArchangelMichael
My agree/disagree ratio with you is about 30/70 I think. I know meatbags in the realworld that I call "best friends" who are probably closer to the 20/80 or lower.
Don't let anyone "run you off" from here. That's the prerogative of Charles and Charles alone.
Well, when I do it, it's okay. But other than that, yeah, what he said.
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JacksonTn Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:30:56am |
I have been watching Specter at his townhall ... yes, when people shout it is hard to hear what the congress people are saying ... well, in Specter's case ... people are being very quiet and when he speaks ... he says NOTHING ... nothing that he has said so far is shedding ANY light on anything ... he is not making any sense ...
Someone asked if we could find out who really is writing the bills ... nothing ...
How about Obama talks about SEIU and their involvement in the healthcare debate ... and I am not talking about the townhall involvement ... he has huge campaign debt to pay to SEIU and they will get it ... one way or another ...
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redstateredneck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:31:06am |
re: #724 realwest
Hey {red} we're doing ok, just baking in the heat (it's now already 86 degrees!). How are y'all doing?
Hot, hot, hot here. Keeping an eye on the gulf.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:31:36am |
re: #692 realwest
...except for Congnito, I don't recall a Left winger ever being banned.
No, I don't think that's true. That would never happen.
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realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:31:49am |
re: #700 MJ
RIP, Eunice Kennedy Shriver - and condolences and sympathies to your family and friends.
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MJ Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:32:34am |
re: #726 Occasional Reader
Condolences to the family. I do have to ask, though; why is this being touted as top-of-the hour, headline news?
She's a Kennedy. It's always big news when one dies.
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Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:32:51am |
re: #735 Walter L. Newton
But the left, it's the most dishonest thing about them. They can speak or write in the most simplest and clear way, and turn right around and deny any connection to a thought or remark.
It is a mistake to paint either the left or the right so broadly. The extremes on both sides behave this way and worse.
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haakondahl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:33:02am |
re: #726 Occasional Reader
Condolences to the family. I do have to ask, though; why is this being touted as top-of-the hour, headline news?
The media still think the Kennedy family is American Royalty.
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Digital Display Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:33:25am |
re: #728 yma o hyd
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
How are things?
How is the weather?Here, its lovely and sunny today - rain and cool yesterday, rain and cool tomorrow ...
{YMA} Hi there!
Little Winston is sick today...Sore tummy I think
Hope you are well
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:34:10am |
re: #745 Coracle
It is a mistake to paint either the left or the right so broadly. The extremes on both sides behave this way and worse.
You are a breath of fresh air.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:35:03am |
re: #746 haakondahl
The media still think the Kennedy family is American Royalty.
Bingo. And that irritates me.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:35:33am |
re: #745 Coracle
But the left, it's the most dishonest thing about them. They can speak or write in the most simplest and clear way, and turn right around and deny any connection to a thought or remark.
It is a mistake to paint either the left or the right so broadly. The extremes on both sides behave this way and worse.
Eh, I can paint the left anyway I like, especially if I am correct.
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albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:35:48am |
BO is gonna go out and clean up the mess...do his own town halls...should be interesting
[Link: news.bostonherald.com...]
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3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:35:55am |
re: #577 Irish Rose
Unfortunately I received word yesterday that the job went to another candidate.
I just can't seem to get a break.
Sorry to hear that, I'll keep praying for you.
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:36:02am |
re: #669 Occasional Reader
Howdy.
So, I see the lizards have already noticed the Restive French Yoot Car-B-Que story. My favorite aspect of it:
So, let's see: The last big car-b-que was prompted by two yoots who, while running from police, climbed into an electrical substation (which was clearly marked as such) and fried themselves. This time, it's a yoot who flees from a stationary police checkpoint, and wipes out on his motorcycle. The last go-round wound up with top-drawer French pols showing up for some stinky "memorial" and apology-fest for the dumb, dead yoots. I'm sure something simliar will happen this time. It must truly suck being a French cop.
You're missing a couple of intervening carbeques, which coincided with New Years - nothing says Auld Lang Syne like a charred Citroen.
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opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:36:02am |
re: #720 Walter L. Newton
He lied to his base because that's what they wanted to hear. Just like he lie to his base (over and over) about single-payer. He never really meant those things, he was just promising those things to his far left progressives to keep them quiet. That's is the reasoning that I was told by a tried and true progressive.
He lied and his supporters admit it and are proud of it.
They are proud of it. We have heard the arguement here that it advances the cause. Sounds like the end justifies the means.
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jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:36:31am |
Obama campaigning on health care...
Town hall meeting on Aug. 21, 2008, in Chester, Va.
"I'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We'll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies -- they'll get a seat at the table, they just won't be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies. And so, that approach, I think is what is going to allow people to stay involved in this process."
In Virginia, Obama says US needs pragmatic leaders
Aug 6, 2009
"I don't want the folks who created the mess do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking."
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KenJen Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:36:46am |
re: #747 HoosierHoops
Hi Hoops. Hope Little Winston is going to be okay.
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Irish Rose Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:36:51am |
re: #751 Walter L. Newton
Get over yourself.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:37:14am |
It's not a lie if Obama tells it, you heretics. It's... a hidden truth. Or something like that.
/bowing head in reverence
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avanti Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:37:53am |
re: #729 VioletTiger
Anybody else listening to the Specter health care town hall on Fox? Fascinating. People are asking very good questions. They read the bill. They are reading parts of it as part of their questions.
Hardly a mob.
Specter is still standing but he is under fire.
I like the take a number and ask a question better then the screaming out. I am concerned that some of the conservatives are hurting there cause by questions about the Koran, Gitmo and rest. Chances are the MSM will just cover the God will get the Congress guy that did not get a number.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:37:56am |
re: #755 opnion
They are proud of it. We have heard the arguement here that it advances the cause. Sounds like the end justifies the means.
We've heard it here? No?
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realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:37:58am |
re: #727 Sharmuta
Charles can mention anything he wants to Shar, it's his blog, remember. I was referring specifically to commenters who usually wait until after a right wing poster is banned.
And thanks for dinging me down on what was a factually true statment, too.
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Irish Rose Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:38:10am |
Thank you for the kind comments, folks. Much appreciated.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:38:11am |
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eschew_obfuscation Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:38:16am |
re: #740 JacksonTn
I have been watching Specter at his townhall ... yes, when people shout it is hard to hear what the congress people are saying ... well, in Specter's case ... people are being very quiet and when he speaks ... he says NOTHING ... nothing that he has said so far is shedding ANY light on anything ... he is not making any sense ...
Someone asked if we could find out who really is writing the bills ... nothing ...
How about Obama talks about SEIU and their involvement in the healthcare debate ... and I am not talking about the townhall involvement ... he has huge campaign debt to pay to SEIU and they will get it ... one way or another ...
And people wonder why attendees come angry and shouting... if they're quiet and civil, they get no answers. If they're disruptive, they get no answers, but they send a message... 'no answers' is unacceptable.
I'd much rather have a civil debate, but when one side refuses to debate what have we got?
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yma o hyd Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:38:17am |
re: #747 HoosierHoops
{YMA} Hi there!
Little Winston is sick today...Sore tummy I think
Hope you are well
Hiya, {HH}!
Poor little Winston - might be the heat, might be something he scavenged ...
Best is, no food for 24 hours - but let him drink so he doesn't get dehydrated.
Madame sends her wuffs and wags to Winston - she knows what its like!
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MJ Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:38:23am |
Ex-Nazi Officer Gets Life Sentence
BERLIN — A Munich court on Tuesday sentenced a 90-year-year-old former Nazi officer, Josef Scheungraber, to life in prison for murdering Italian civilians as a reprisal for the killing of two Nazi soldiers.
In one of Germany’s last Nazi trials, he was convicted on 10 counts of murder and also found guilty of attempted murder...
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Better late than never.
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Charpete67 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:38:27am |
re: #759 Occasional Reader
It's not a lie if Obama tells it, you heretics. It's... a hidden truth. Or something like that.
/bowing head in reverence
...the chosen one is the source of all truth and will provide enlightenment for those who are in the dark...//
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Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:38:29am |
re: #756 jcm
Obama campaigning on health care...
Town hall meeting on Aug. 21, 2008, in Chester, Va.
Meanwhile, Big Pharma is plopping down 150 million bucks for an advertising campaign for Obamacare.
The mask just keeps slipping and slipping.
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realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:38:39am |
re: #728 yma o hyd
Hey {yma} gee it's good to see you again! How are you doing?
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:38:49am |
re: #763 realwest
And thanks for dinging me down on what was a factually true statment, too.
You're welcome. Think of it as returning the favor.
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Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:38:54am |
Everyne to the left of me is lazy, everyone to the right of me is cre: #751 Walter L. Newton
Eh, I can paint the left anyway I like, especially if I am correct.
Everyone to the left of me is lazy, everyone to the right of me is crazy.
I clearly belong in your version of "The Left", and thus I can tell you with authority that you are incorrect.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:40:25am |
re: #769 Charpete67
...the chosen one is the source of all truth and will provide enlightenment for those who are in the dark...//
For instance, how he will managed to squeeze tens of billions of dollars out of Medicare, without cutting benefits? Why, that's a Sacred Mystery. We mortals are not meant to understand it.
In the name of the Barack and the Obama and the Hope n' Change... amen.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:40:53am |
When Charles tells us we can't discussed banned posters, then people will stop talking about banned posters. Until then, it's not against the house rules.
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yma o hyd Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:41:08am |
re: #771 realwest
Hey {yma} gee it's good to see you again! How are you doing?
Hiya, {rw}!
Not been so good lately - but on such a lovely sunny day, who can be gloomy!
We keep that for the rainy days (yesterday ... tomorrow ...)!
How are you?
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KenJen Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:41:10am |
re: #746 haakondahl
The media still think the Kennedy family is American Royalty.
I heard about a new book coming out claiming that Jackie and Bobby had an affair for quite some time. The author sounded legit and his sources credible. Would not suprise me.
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haakondahl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:41:14am |
Why on Earth did Fox have to cut away for the swastika graffiti story? That should be a banner at the bottom. I about fell over when she said "And there you have it..."
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opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:41:17am |
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Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:41:58am |
re: #773 Coracle
I clearly belong in your version of "The Left", and thus I can tell you with authority that you are incorrect.
With authority, eh. Look, Walter was clearly making a generalization, and as the saying goes, all generalizations are false, including this one. Yes, there are exceptions, blah blah blah. Why start a pissing match over it?
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realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:01am |
re: #731 Coracle Don't know about the population at large, just voters. What a 12 year old knows or cares about politics and health care is much less a concern of mine than is that of someone who isn't likely to vote at all
(CUE Mandy!! Wake up Mandy, here's your lead in!).
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Charpete67 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:07am |
re: #774 Occasional Reader
For instance, how he will managed to squeeze tens of billions of dollars out of Medicare, without cutting benefits? Why, that's a Sacred Mystery. We mortals are not meant to understand it.
In the name of the Barack and the Obama and the Hope n' Change... amen.
...I'm envisioning something about Obama and some loaves of bread and fish and a bunch of hungry people...//
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jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:13am |
re: #770 Pianobuff
Meanwhile, Big Pharma is plopping down 150 million bucks for an advertising campaign for Obamacare.
The mask just keeps slipping and slipping.
Where are the open records of the meetings between the Administration and Pharma? Were the meetings on C-Span, when did the pharma execs meet with Obama... oh, thats right the WH visitor logs remain closed.
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FrogMarch Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:14am |
Gladney update: Turns out, he's insured after all. *Darn it proggies-- you cannot get a break. Oh well. Continue lying. It seems to work anyhow.
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haakondahl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:21am |
Ugh. This Congressman Scott is about as annoying as he can possibly be.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:40am |
Honorary Yooper, you here? Saw your post above about the Great Lakes water levels rising and it is good news, indeed. Small cloud on that silver lining? My folks' place on Lake MI now has 1/4 the beach it had 2 years ago. Still good news, though.
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redstateredneck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:42am |
re: #728 yma o hyd
Yma! Have you seen this? Are you familiar with Tina Humphrey?
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SecondComing Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:45am |
Caught a bit of Ann Coulter and James Carville on GMA I think it was. Ann was actually being well reasoned and didn't go over the top. They were discussing the people at Town Halls. Carville was saying it was all birthers and people that didn't like the outcome of the election. Coulter came back and said there were a lot of old people and Democrats. Carville kept saying it was all birthers and that he's been in Coulter's position and it isn't fun to lose. Coulter rolled her eyes and then made a point about the cost and how it would lead to rationing. She compared the cost of the plan to offering free chocolate cake and that you wouldn't get fat. It was kind of funny. She might have lost it after that or her and Carville may have started slugging it out but I had to leave for work.
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filetandrelease Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:49am |
LOL, On Fox's home page they are showing the Volt going 230 MPH. Not bad for an electric car!
| 790 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:52am |
re: #758 Irish Rose
Get over yourself.
This is a progressive tactic, trying to shut me up. No, I am very comfortable with my points, positions and I don't just drop vague comments on this blog. I am careful that what I post has facts and figures to back up what I am saying, I supply links as back up information, and I am respectful (most of the time) to other Lizards here.
And when I do make a mistake, I apologize.
So, no I am not going to get over myself and I am not going to stop posting.
Good try. (well, not really a good try but I was being kind).
| 791 |
quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:43:18am |
re: #774 Occasional Reader
Medicare's unfunded liability is $38 trillion. If we do nothing, it will collapse of its own weight in about five years. In your opinion, is that an option?
| 792 |
yma o hyd Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:43:29am |
Anybody interested in opera?
How about this:
Look out for the gentleman at the end of this video clip saying 'bravo' ... you might recognise him!
| 793 |
Charpete67 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:43:41am |
re: #784 FrogMarch
Gladney update: Turns out, he's insured after all. *Darn it proggies-- you cannot get a break. Oh well. Continue lying. It seems to work anyhow.
...don't worry...I'm sure he's got a record or he tears the tags off his mattresses...//
| 794 |
haakondahl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:43:57am |
re: #777 KenJen
I heard about a new book coming out claiming that Jackie and Bobby had an affair for quite some time. The author sounded legit and his sources credible. Would not suprise me.
And I STILL don't care.
| 795 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:44:48am |
more about the Showdown in Portsmouth...the RVC vrs the AFL-CIO today at 1pm
[Link: www.boston.com...]
| 796 |
VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:44:58am |
re: #761 avanti
I like the take a number and ask a question better then the screaming out. I am concerned that some of the conservatives are hurting there cause by questions about the Koran, Gitmo and rest. Chances are the MSM will just cover the God will get the Congress guy that did not get a number.
He was kind of an outlier, but it makes good press I suppose.
I thought most of the questions were good ones.
| 797 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:45:27am |
re: #791 quickjustice
Medicare's unfunded liability is $38 trillion. If we do nothing, it will collapse of its own weight in about five years. In your opinion, is that an option?
I have no doubt that major overhauls will have to be done with Medicare. That's not what Obama's talking about. He's pretending he can find tens of billions in savings in Medicare, without cutting benefits. That's just laughable. Oh, but he'll do it by "eliminating fraud and waste". Gosh, why didn't we think of that!
| 798 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:45:37am |
re: #789 filetandrelease
LOL, On Fox's home page they are showing the Volt going 230 MPH. Not bad for an electric car!
Volt is a has been out of the box.
Tesla Roadster Sport. Or the sedan.
| 799 |
FrogMarch Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:45:38am |
re: #793 Charpete67
...don't worry...I'm sure he's got a record or he tears the tags off his mattresses...//
Dumpster diving and record searching by left-wing proggie operatives...er... "fact finders" to commence.
| 800 |
3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:45:47am |
re: #644 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Funny, the same person who says a "felon has paid his debt to society and deserves the right to vote", won't give Vick a chance to earn a living every again.
More lefty intellectual dishonesty.
I really don't think it has anything to do with his criminal past. Heck, there's people playing in the NFL who killed people. I has more to do with the fact that he was out of football for quite a while and if he lost a step he's useless in the NFL. His arm was never that good to begin with.
They are going to want to see him perform first. Now, maybe someone will pick him up for a preseason game to try him out, but they are going to want to see him under game conditions.
| 801 |
Lincolntf Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:46:36am |
re: #784 FrogMarch
What a Party.
They lie about the big things, the little things, and even the in-between things.
Have the "Support Gladney/Stop Obama" street protests "spontaneously" erupted in all the major cities yet? I thought not.
Where's Acorn when they could actually be useful?
| 802 |
opnion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:47:07am |
re: #790 Walter L. Newton
Walter, I think that you are making some great points, keep it up.
Could be that I am in basic agreement though.
I do notice that when the Progressive Wing make some outlandish assertions that they are often considerd intellectual candy, even if absurd.
| 803 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:47:22am |
re: #782 Charpete67
...I'm envisioning something about Obama and some loaves of bread and fish and a bunch of hungry people...//
After which, he would deliver his Sermon on the Mount, consisting of the Be-uhhh-titudes.
| 804 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:47:57am |
re: #742 Walter L. Newton
No, I don't think that's true. That would never happen.
Good morning Walter. Um, what's not true? Cognito was banned twice as I recall.
| 805 |
Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:48:16am |
re: #783 jcm
Where are the open records of the meetings between the Administration and Pharma? Were the meetings on C-Span, when did the pharma execs meet with Obama... oh, thats right the WH visitor logs remain closed.
Ummm... you are not supposed to ask about that. Your question just a distraction.
Honestly, every President we've had is guilty of some of this kind of stuff, but considering what an important plank it was in his campaign, his failures in this area stick out like a sore thumb.
Anecdotal finger in the wind stuff: I've spoken to 7 of my close friends that are "centerish" that voted for Obama. 5 of them regret their vote. 1 is a wait-and-see, and 1 is still moderately supporting The One.
| 806 |
Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:48:32am |
re: #790 Walter L. Newton
This is a progressive tactic, trying to shut me up.
No- it's not. You have no idea what you're talking about. This is a tactic employed by various political ideologies and has a history longer than the "progressive" movement.
| 807 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:48:57am |
re: #791 quickjustice
Medicare's unfunded liability is $38 trillion. If we do nothing, it will collapse of its own weight in about five years. In your opinion, is that an option?
Madoff got 2 and ½ years for every billion of his Ponzi scheme.
Congress critters get new G-550s.
No, the people who have been ripped off by congress shouldn't take it in the shorts.
But if there was any justice somebody would, besides you and I.
| 808 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:49:08am |
re: #801 Lincolntf
What a Party.
They lie about the big things, the little things, and even the in-between things.
Have the "Support Gladney/Stop Obama" street protests "spontaneously" erupted in all the major cities yet? I thought not.
Where's Acorn when they could actually be useful?
And it even trickles down to the local party members. I talk to people on a weekly basis who simply lie to your face. It's as if they their party and President has given them no other option but to lie.
I mean, how in the hell would you rectify and explain everything he is saying a doing to people you know?
| 809 |
Irish Rose Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:50:00am |
re: #765 Walter L. Newton
This is a progressive tactic, trying to shut me up. No, I am very comfortable with my points, positions and I don't just drop vague comments on this blog. I am careful that what I post has facts and figures to back up what I am saying, I supply links as back up information, and I am respectful (most of the time) to other Lizards here.
And when I do make a mistake, I apologize.
So, no I am not going to get over myself and I am not going to stop posting.
Good try. (well, not really a good try but I was being kind).
Walter, how many of your posts has Charles had to remove? And how many times have you been warned to stop beating up on other lizards?
Clearly, I'm not the only person here who thinks that you need to get over yourself.
| 810 |
KenJen Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:50:02am |
re: #770 Pianobuff
Meanwhile, Big Pharma is plopping down 150 million bucks for an advertising campaign for Obamacare.
The mask just keeps slipping and slipping.
I heard this morning the the swine flu vaccine may take three shots per person. I think I paid $25 bucks for one last year. Big Pharma stands to make a lot of money off this. I'm wondering how hyped up this H1S1 flu is?
| 813 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:50:34am |
re: #783 jcm
Where are the open records of the meetings between the Administration and Pharma? Were the meetings on C-Span, when did the pharma execs meet with Obama... oh, thats right the WH visitor logs remain closed.
Actually, I have to say I support leaving the visitor logs closed. It's potentially sensitive information.
| 814 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:51:00am |
re: #805 Pianobuff
Ummm... you are not supposed to ask about that. Your question just a distraction.
Honestly, every President we've had is guilty of some of this kind of stuff, but considering what an important plank it was in his campaign, his failures in this area stick out like a sore thumb.
Anecdotal finger in the wind stuff: I've spoken to 7 of my close friends that are "centerish" that voted for Obama. 5 of them regret their vote. 1 is a wait-and-see, and 1 is still moderately supporting The One.
I don't really care about the WH logs.
The point is Obama promised an open health care debate.
Deals are being made in smoke filled back rooms, which is business as usual for DC.
Just another reason to say no to what's going on.
| 815 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:51:29am |
re: #806 Sharmuta
No- it's not. You have no idea what you're talking about. This is a tactic employed by various political ideologies and has a history longer than the "progressive" movement.
I'm sorry Sharm, you are correct and I am being too narrow in my statements. Let's include...
Socialist, fascists, nationalist, Stalinist, dictators and progressives.
| 816 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:51:33am |
re: #756 jcm
Hey jcm - was one of those townhall meetings the one where the attendees were limited to those "common folks" invited to attend by White House invitation only?
Some Congressperson named Fleming (R-La) said that was one of the townhall meetings Obama was holding.
| 817 |
quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:51:44am |
re: #794 haakondahl
Anything Kennedy is sure to be weird. Joe-- a bootlegger contemporary of Capone's who hit on his daughter's girlfriends, and a Nazi sympathizer; Joe, Jr.-- a war hero killed when the aircraft he was flying, loaded with dynamite, blew up on a suicide mission over the English channel; Jack-- war hero, President, womanizer, and Hodgkins disease survivor who slept with an East German female spy, and whose widow married Onasis; Teddy, who drowned his troubles in more ways than one; Bobby-- who shared his women, including Marilyn, with his brother before he was murdered by an Arab Christian; John Boy, lost at sea trying to pilot a plane in bad weather; and Caroline, defamed by the current Governor of New York.
| 818 |
VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:52:13am |
I watched almost the entire Specter town hall. Of course the one clip that makes it on the air is the disruptor in the beginning.
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
The rest of the meeting was largely civil. This makes good press, of course.
This guy was upset because he didn't get a card so he could not speak.
| 819 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:52:15am |
re: #814 jcm
I don't really care about the WH logs.
The point is Obama promised an open health care debate.
Deals are being made in smoke filled back rooms, which is business as usual for DC.Just another reason to say no to what's going on.
What are you, un-American?!
/
| 820 |
Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:52:21am |
re: #810 KenJen
I heard this morning the the swine flu vaccine may take three shots per person. I think I paid $25 bucks for one last year. Big Pharma stands to make a lot of money off this. I'm wondering how hyped up this H1S1 flu is?
Hadn't really thought of that, but you raise an interesting question. Right now, there are all these conspiracy nuts sticking themselves to this topic so I'm being really careful about what I'm reading on this (which has resulted in less study unfortunately).
Keep us posted if you hear anything.
| 821 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:52:21am |
re: #813 Occasional Reader
Actually, I have to say I support leaving the visitor logs closed. It's potentially sensitive information.
I agree with you on that.
My gripe is the supposed open process with health care is not.
| 822 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:52:27am |
re: #813 Occasional Reader
Actually, I have to say I support leaving the visitor logs closed. It's potentially sensitive information.
I agree, I think it's the shameless hypocrisy that galls most people. Most Transparent, My Ass.
| 823 |
FrogMarch Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:52:30am |
re: #801 Lincolntf
What a Party.
They lie about the big things, the little things, and even the in-between things.
'Lying is a practical social skill'. - rules for radicals.
I do not think they think they are necessary lying. They are like mindless zombies marching to their Utopian paradise.
| 824 |
Lincolntf Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:52:34am |
re: #814 jcm
And with Obama, the rooms really are smoke-filled.
Now that I think of it, he's had a tough month. I think I'll send him a carton.
| 825 |
yma o hyd Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:52:46am |
re: #787 redstateredneck
Yma! Have you seen this? Are you familiar with Tina Humphrey?
Hiya - thanks, no, I hadn't, and I'm not familiar with her.
The one I am familiar with is this lady:
Mary Ray
She's doing this at every Crufts ... ahem, different dances, that is!
| 826 |
KenJen Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:52:48am |
re: #794 haakondahl
And I STILL don't care.
I'm glad you don't. I really don't either. I just find it funny that the media continues to glamorize this nutty family.
| 827 |
haakondahl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:52:54am |
Nice call, FOX. They had Congressman Scott waiting, decided to cut away using the swastika story as a pretext, interviewed Scott, and missed the interesting end of the Town Hall.
| 828 |
MikeAlv77 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:53:12am |
re: #813 Occasional Reader
Actually, I have to say I support leaving the visitor logs closed. It's potentially sensitive information.
I agree with you but the point is that the 0-man made it such a large point of his campaign. Its like the "read my lips.." those things come back to haunt you... Little things like promises, keeping your word... you know.. minor stuff
| 829 |
JacksonTn Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:53:14am |
re: #806 Sharmuta
No- it's not. You have no idea what you're talking about. This is a tactic employed by various political ideologies and has a history longer than the "progressive" movement.
Sharmuta ... right because before they called themselves "progressive" they were the Democratic Socialist of America ... again progressive so warm and fuzzy sounding ...
| 830 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:53:18am |
re: #819 Occasional Reader
What are you, un-American?!
/
Sorry, got to report my self to flag@whitehouse.gov.
BRB!
| 831 |
redstateredneck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:53:19am |
re: #810 KenJen
I heard this morning the the swine flu vaccine may take three shots per person. I think I paid $25 bucks for one last year. Big Pharma stands to make a lot of money off this. I'm wondering how hyped up this H1S1 flu is?
I think what I heard was two shots for swine flu, plus your regular flu shot that has been developed for the run of the mill flu viruses anticipated for the season. I doubt many will take the time to go to the clinic on 3 separate occasions for the shots, though.
| 832 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:54:04am |
re: #824 Lincolntf
And with Obama, the rooms really are smoke-filled.
Now that I think of it, he's had a tough month. I think I'll send him a carton.
They sell doobies in cartons now?
| 833 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:54:05am |
re: #809 Irish Rose
Walter, how many of your posts has Charles had to remove? And how many times have you been warned to stop beating up on other lizards?
Clearly, I'm not the only person here who thinks that you need to get over yourself.
Charles has taken care of things when I have gotten out of control, and I have apologized. And this conversation this morning has nothing to do with "other lizards." I haven't mad reference to any other Lizards this morning.
Seems like I am talking about progressives. If there are some Lizards here who claim that title, that's not my fault, I'm talking about the progressives in mass.
Sorry, maybe I should have clarified myself.
| 834 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:54:14am |
re: #800 3 wood
I really don't think it has anything to do with his criminal past. Heck, there's people playing in the NFL who killed people. I has more to do with the fact that he was out of football for quite a while and if he lost a step he's useless in the NFL. His arm was never that good to begin with.
They are going to want to see him perform first. Now, maybe someone will pick him up for a preseason game to try him out, but they are going to want to see him under game conditions.
Why should killing someone disqualify a football player when it doesn't disqualify someone from being a Senator?
/partial
| 835 |
redstateredneck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:54:15am |
| 836 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:54:33am |
re: #823 FrogMarch
'Lying is a practical social skill'. - rules for radicals.
That sounds like one of my favorite Montgomery Burns quotes: "Cheating is the gift one gives to one's self."
| 837 |
filetandrelease Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:54:36am |
re: #798 jcm
Volt is a has been out of the box.
Tesla Roadster Sport. Or the sedan.
Maybe, but a true electric car, not a hybrid, being massed produced is still unavailable. (the telsa is a true electric car, even more so than the volt. )
| 838 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:55:07am |
re: #800 3 wood
Oh, heck yeah. I'm only hoping he gets to play if his talent level allows him to play.
| 839 |
eschew_obfuscation Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:55:16am |
re: #807 jcm
Madoff got 2 and ½ years for every billion of his Ponzi scheme.
Congress critters get new G-550s.No, the people who have been ripped off by congress shouldn't take it in the shorts.
But if there was any justice somebody would, besides you and I.
It's looking, this morning, as if the new jets might be dropped from the budget.
| 841 |
FrogMarch Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:55:42am |
re: #836 Occasional Reader
That sounds like one of my favorite Montgomery Burns quotes: "Cheating is the gift one gives to one's self."
LOL!
| 842 |
Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:55:45am |
re: #815 Walter L. Newton
I'm sorry Sharm, you are correct and I am being too narrow in my statements. Let's include...
Socialist, fascists, nationalist, Stalinist, dictators and progressives.
Why do that? I thought you could paint the left however it is you want to paint them? Just don't whine to me when that same standard gets applied to you.
| 843 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:56:40am |
| 844 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:56:43am |
re: #788 SecondComing
Why on earth would you want to watch GMA and especially a debate between two of the nastiest people in politics?
Sheeesh!
| 846 |
vxbush Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:56:59am |
re: #835 redstateredneck
Hey, {vx}. Feeling any better on the meds?
Yes, although it's the time of the month for migraines, so I'm managing one of those today, lucky me. Taking the new med with supper does wonders and avoids virtually every side effect, which makes me happy.
But I'm just kind of groggy today, so I'm not really sure if I'm awake or this is all some weird virtual representation of reality that I'm stuck in. So far, I've seen no glitches, but then I haven't turned the news on yet.
| 847 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:57:16am |
re: #842 Sharmuta
Why do that? I thought you could paint the left however it is you want to paint them? Just don't whine to me when that same standard gets applied to you.
That was a confusing answer. Hurt my head.
| 848 |
haakondahl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:57:22am |
Oh! Megyn Kelly just used my eye-to-eye gesture! I'm famous for that.
| 849 |
Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:57:24am |
re: #833 Walter L. Newton
Seems like I am talking about progressives. If there are some Lizards here who claim that title, that's not my fault, I'm talking about the progressives in mass.
Passive aggressive much?
| 850 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:58:00am |
re: #806 Sharmuta
No- it's not. You have no idea what you're talking about. This is a tactic employed by various political ideologies and has a history longer than the "progressive" movement.
The progressives have been making use of it recently, even if they didn't invent it.
| 852 |
KenJen Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:58:18am |
re: #831 redstateredneck
I think what I heard was two shots for swine flu, plus your regular flu shot that has been developed for the run of the mill flu viruses anticipated for the season. I doubt many will take the time to go to the clinic on 3 separate occasions for the shots, though.
Expensive and time consuming. I think I'll get some masks and a can of lysol.
| 854 |
vxbush Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:58:29am |
Wait--no Avanti today? I haven't seen him post in the last twenty or so...
| 855 |
Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:58:47am |
re: #850 NukeAtomrod
The progressives have been making use of it recently, even if they didn't invent it.
And people here are advocating the right should follow suit. Do you agree?
| 856 |
vxbush Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:58:57am |
re: #852 KenJen
Expensive and time consuming. I think I'll get some masks and a can of lysol.
I may not be given an option by my allergist.
| 857 |
yma o hyd Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:59:11am |
re: #846 vxbush
Yes, although it's the time of the month for migraines, so I'm managing one of those today, lucky me. Taking the new med with supper does wonders and avoids virtually every side effect, which makes me happy.
But I'm just kind of groggy today, so I'm not really sure if I'm awake or this is all some weird virtual representation of reality that I'm stuck in. So far, I've seen no glitches, but then I haven't turned the news on yet.
Hiya, {vx}!
Whatever it is - I hope it'll go away quickly and leave you feeling on top of the world!
| 858 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:59:41am |
re: #791 quickjustice
Well since me and Mom are dependent on Medicare, no it isn't an option, but I think a more relevent comment might be "what happened to the TRILLIONS of Dollars paid into Social Security"? Cause they sure aren't there now.
| 859 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:59:52am |
re: #810 KenJen
I heard this morning the the swine flu vaccine may take three shots per person. I think I paid $25 bucks for one last year. Big Pharma stands to make a lot of money off this. I'm wondering how hyped up this H1S1 flu is?
H1N1 type flu is the most infection type. The H numbers 1 to 5 and the N numbers 1 to 5 indicate which type of binding system the virus uses to attach to and infect human cells.
H1N1 is the most infectious. What makes a cell virulent is the RNA or DNA in the virus and how it attacks the human body. The 1918 influenza was H1N1, but it was extraordinarily virulent. It caused a reaction in humans that kick the immune system in a hyper reaction and the immune system attacked the body. This caused a huge production of fluid and people drown in their own fluids in less than 24 hours. People with strong immune systems were more likely to die.
The current strain is not nearly as virulent, but with the high infection rate any mutation that would make it more virulent would be very bad news indeed.
| 860 |
redstateredneck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:00:04am |
| 861 |
vxbush Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:00:16am |
re: #857 yma o hyd
Hiya, {vx}!
Whatever it is - I hope it'll go away quickly and leave you feeling on top of the world!
Heh. One nice thing about the new med: I get a nice buzz about an hour after I take it and I'm running around the house getting things done!
| 862 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:01:01am |
| 864 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:01:20am |
The fundamental difference between the Alinsky Way and the American Way is so darned simple that even a first-grader, who has had decent parenting, understands it. The Alinsky Way involves asking others to do for you that which you are plainly capable of doing for yourself, but prefer not to do
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]
| 866 |
MikeAlv77 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:01:55am |
Maybe this has been discussed before but.. I keep hearing people say that they have a "right to health care"... I can't find that right anywhere in my copy of the constitution. Could there be a constitutional side to this where someone sues to the supreme court to stop it.
I know that for most of past few decades the govt has not followed the doc but that what the amendment process is for. Don;t like a section, change it but do it legally...
| 867 |
avanti Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:01:57am |
re: #818 VioletTiger
I watched almost the entire Specter town hall. Of course the one clip that makes it on the air is the disruptor in the beginning.
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]The rest of the meeting was largely civil. This makes good press, of course.
This guy was upset because he didn't get a card so he could not speak.
I knew we would see that clip covered, just surprised it was picked up so fast.
| 868 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:01:59am |
re: #862 Occasional Reader
You're obviously part of the Big Pharma conspiracy.
/
Okay, okay, I'll send you a cut...
//
| 869 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:02:11am |
re: #798 jcm
Whoa! That Tesla is HOT! 0-60 in under 4.0 seconds is faster than a 'vette!
| 870 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:02:12am |
re: #849 Sharmuta
Passive aggressive much?
Getting personal now are you? I'm not answering when you get personal. I am not going to have you bait me into a personal argument.
You win... I'm in gaze mode with you until you stop with the personal attacks... now you are trying to analyze me personally... I'm not playing, that's what Charles doesn't want us to do here.
| 871 |
Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:02:49am |
re: #867 avanti
Someone was looking for you. She might like it if you offered her some chocolate.
| 872 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:02:51am |
re: #870 Walter L. Newton
Getting personal now are you? I'm not answering when you get personal. I am not going to have you bait me into a personal argument.
You win... I'm in gaze mode with you until you stop with the personal attacks... now you are trying to analyze me personally... I'm not playing, that's what Charles doesn't want us to do here.
See... I learned from the best.
| 873 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:03:25am |
re: #869 realwest
Whoa! That Tesla is HOT! 0-60 in under 4.0 seconds is faster than a 'vette!
Electric vehicles in general tend to have monster torque. Comes with the territory. Range, of course, is the usual problem. I see they're touting a 220 mile cruising range for the Tesla, which, if true, is pretty damn impressive.
| 875 |
yma o hyd Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:03:38am |
re: #860 redstateredneck
What a team! That stuff just amazes me. Those dogs are sooo smart.
They are!
Mind - it does take quite a bit of training, and loads of practice!
I tried to teach this weaving around the legs to both Big Dog and Madame - aww, disaster!
Big Dog was probably too old, and didn't want to know.
Madame 'got it', but got bored with it pretty quickly.
So you won't be seeing us at Crufts any time soon ...
:-))
How is your pocket house wolf doing?
| 876 |
WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:03:59am |
re: #784 FrogMarch
Gladney update: Turns out, he's insured after all. *Darn it proggies-- you cannot get a break. Oh well. Continue lying. It seems to work anyhow.
And moreover, it doesn't matter if he has insurance or doesn't have insurance. This while insurance v no insurance issue is only a ruse being perpetrated by the left to distract from the fact that a man was beaten by their thugs at a protest gathering.
| 877 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:04:17am |
re: #869 realwest
Whoa! That Tesla is HOT! 0-60 in under 4.0 seconds is faster than a 'vette!
Image: bugatti-veyron-017-l.jpg
1001 HP
2.2 million dollars
| 878 |
vxbush Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:04:35am |
re: #871 Sharmuta
Someone was looking for you. She might like it if you offered her some chocolate.
Well, I won't refuse the chocolate (although I currently have a nice Belgian one on my desk waiting for lunch today). I just had recognized that Avanti had been pretty active in the mornings when I'm here, so I was rather surprised I hadn't seen him post yet. That's all.
Just simple curiosity, I'm afraid.
| 879 |
redstateredneck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:04:58am |
re: #854 vxbush
Wait--no Avanti today? I haven't seen him post in the last twenty or so...
He must be on a winning streak at the casino!
| 880 |
avanti Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:05:29am |
re: #871 Sharmuta
Someone was looking for you. She might like it if you offered her some chocolate.
Did you say she ? You have my attention. :)
| 882 |
FrogMarch Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:06:32am |
re: #876 WinterCat
And moreover, it doesn't matter if he has insurance or doesn't have insurance. This while insurance v no insurance issue is only a ruse being perpetrated by the left to distract from the fact that a man was beaten by their thugs at a protest gathering.
Totally. The progressive movement has really let the mask slip. And most American's don't like what they see.
| 884 |
lawhawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:06:35am |
re: #873 Occasional Reader
GM is touting that they might get 200+ mpg city driving from the Chevy Volt, and 100+mpg mixed driving overall. That would blow away the best mileage attainable with the Prius.
There's a big caveat though. Batteries run for 40 miles or so, and then the engine kicks in to give full range of about 300 miles before needing to plug in / fill the gas tank.
Price is about $40,000, which means it's significantly more expensive and the first adopters are going to be who exactly? Rich? Those who are willing to lease the car (or the battery pack) and get Prius quality ride at a Lexus price? At that price, price of gas has to be significantly higher than $4 to make it justifiable as a cost-saving alternative.
| 885 |
KenJen Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:06:43am |
re: #859 jcm
Okay. Obviously I don't know as much as I should about this. If people with strong immune systems will be hit the hardest why are they the last on the list to get the vaccine? They are calling on the elderly, pregnant women and people with compromised immune systems to the front of the line.
| 886 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:07:54am |
Still looking from last week. Does anyone know how much the various czars get paid by us? I can't find it but I doubt it is the $1/yr. salary that many experts took during WWII to help our country out.
| 887 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:08:27am |
re: #866 MikeAlv77
Maybe this has been discussed before but.. I keep hearing people say that they have a "right to health care"... I can't find that right anywhere in my copy of the constitution. Could there be a constitutional side to this where someone sues to the supreme court to stop it.
I know that for most of past few decades the govt has not followed the doc but that what the amendment process is for. Don;t like a section, change it but do it legally...
Many are confused...
Rights are intrinsic to an individual an can only be exercised by the individual. A Right places no obligation on another person. The contractual agreement within a society to contribute to common projects is not the same thing as placing an obligation.
You have the right to ACCESS health care, part of the right to life, you do not have a right to have health care provided to you.
| 889 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:08:53am |
Liberals’ knee-jerk reaction to conservative counterproposals is to discard them out of hand because they do not rely on greater government influence and increased regulation to solve the health care system’s issues.
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
more myths
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avanti Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:09:17am |
re: #878 vxbush
Well, I won't refuse the chocolate (although I currently have a nice Belgian one on my desk waiting for lunch today). I just had recognized that Avanti had been pretty active in the mornings when I'm here, so I was rather surprised I hadn't seen him post yet. That's all.
Just simple curiosity, I'm afraid.
I was actually was watching the town hall and lurking. I find the whole health care debate a bit tiring since we a debating 3 bills, none of which are final, and all of which are being spun by both sides.
| 891 |
Lincolntf Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:09:24am |
Barry is gonna do New Hampshire, Montana and Colorado Health Care events this week. Those focus groups must really have him rattled.
| 893 |
Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:09:29am |
re: #870 Walter L. Newton
I'm not attacking you. But feel free to play the role of the whiney victim. Very dramatic of you. You're not fooling me, and you're not fooling others. You're trying to demonize progressives because you can't attack a person who does use that title.
Seems like I am talking about progressives. If there are some Lizards here who claim that title, that's not my fault, I'm talking about the progressives in mass.
You spelled it out plainly. It's an ugly tactic from Rules for Radicals, and you've been advocating mirroring their tactics for the last couple days. It's ugly en mass and on a more personal level too.
| 894 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:09:46am |
re: #833 Walter L. Newton
Charles has taken care of things when I have gotten out of control, and I have apologized. And this conversation this morning has nothing to do with "other lizards." I haven't mad reference to any other Lizards this morning.
Seems like I am talking about progressives. If there are some Lizards here who claim that title, that's not my fault, I'm talking about the progressives in mass.
Sorry, maybe I should have clarified myself.
Maybe, instead of trying to discourage people from voicing their opinion, our fellow lizards should concentrate on thickening their skin. I find it disturbing how easily my, otherwise reasonable, compatriots leap on to the stage to declare their offense.
| 896 |
quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:10:37am |
re: #858 realwest
Unfortunately, like Medicare, a pyramid scheme. And no, I don't want to strip you guys of your government assistance, but there's gotta be a better way than going bankrupt. Ending or reducing the tax deduction for employer-based plans, and giving employees the cash saved from that might be one option.
| 897 |
redstateredneck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:10:39am |
re: #875 yma o hyd
You should see me just getting the pack out of the house when they know I'm about to go to work. Old Sugarman is deaf and selectively blind...he gets in the pet porter and acts like he has no clue what I'm doing. Caramel Delite goes under the bed. Will not come out unless I get on the floor, raise the dust ruffle, and pat the floor while cooing to her. Reesie Man is burrowed under the couch cushions. Sadie Mae suddenly loses the use of her legs. It's quite a production! ! !
| 898 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:11:17am |
re: #867 avanti
I knew we would see that clip covered, just surprised it was picked up so fast.
Really?
| 899 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:11:31am |
re: #890 avanti
I was actually was watching the town hall and lurking. I find the whole health care debate a bit tiring since we a debating 3 bills, none of which are final, and all of which are being spun by both sides.
all of which are intrusive, socialistic and rejected by the majority of Americans...I agree that debate is quite, tiring, useless and distracting
| 900 |
vxbush Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:11:44am |
re: #890 avanti
I was actually was watching the town hall and lurking. I find the whole health care debate a bit tiring since we a debating 3 bills, none of which are final, and all of which are being spun by both sides.
I must admit, I am tired of it as well. I would like to enjoy the last few days of summer while I can.
| 901 |
WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:12:21am |
re: #882 FrogMarch
Totally. The progressive movement has really let the mask slip. And most American's don't like what they see.
And this is why it is doubly essential that anyone who attends these town hall meetings be absolutely squeaky clean when it comes to their behavior. I am a pretty firm believer in letting people's behavior speak for itself. The left has called out the thug SEIU. They are accustomed to making their point through violence. The people on the right must not engage in any violent or outrageous behavior.
| 902 |
quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:12:27am |
re: #887 jcm
The distinction is between inalienable, G-d-given rights, as stated by the Declaration of Independence, and other "rights", really entitlements, offered by government. What government gives you, government can take away. That's not a genuine "right".
| 903 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:14:15am |
re: #890 avanti
I was actually was watching the town hall and lurking. I find the whole health care debate a bit tiring since we a debating 3 bills, none of which are final, and all of which are being spun by both sides.
I also find it tiring and boring but at the rate they were going, this would have been a done deal before anyone could read it. Then we would be stuck with it for generations.
| 904 |
yma o hyd Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:14:30am |
re: #897 redstateredneck
You should see me just getting the pack out of the house when they know I'm about to go to work. Old Sugarman is deaf and selectively blind...he gets in the pet porter and acts like he has no clue what I'm doing. Caramel Delite goes under the bed. Will not come out unless I get on the floor, raise the dust ruffle, and pat the floor while cooing to her. Reesie Man is burrowed under the couch cushions. Sadie Mae suddenly loses the use of her legs. It's quite a production! ! !
Blimey!
I bet they practice this when you're away!
Its amazing how dogs - any breed - can become selectively deaf or blind ... and then have the most acute hearing, even while asleep, when food is involved!
| 905 |
Macker Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:14:44am |
I hope Оба́ма gets Hell when he goes to these town hall meetings.
| 906 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:14:52am |
re: #855 Sharmuta
And people here are advocating the right should follow suit. Do you agree?
In principle, no. However, I do understand that if one does not adapt to their opposition's tactics, they will lose the conflict.
| 908 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:39am |
re: #905 Macker
I hope Оба́ма gets Hell when he goes to these town hall meetings.
1pm...Portsmouth
rock and roll
| 909 |
WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:39am |
re: #906 NukeAtomrod
In principle, no. However, I do understand that if one does not adapt to their opposition's tactics, they will lose the conflict.
Ghandi didn't.
| 911 |
Buck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:16:04am |
re: #525 quickjustice
In Canada, the government budgets doctors. Once the doctor earns, say, $100,000, the money stops. I know Canadian doctors who are finished by October, and take the rest of the year off.
A helluva way to use your medical talent, eh?
I don't think that is true. They get paid by the event that they do... See a patient=$30, prescription =$10, blood test = $5... and so on.
(not the actual numbers but examples)
| 912 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:16:25am |
re: #896 quickjustice
Unfortunately, like Medicare, a pyramid scheme. And no, I don't want to strip you guys of your government assistance, but there's gotta be a better way than going bankrupt. Ending or reducing the tax deduction for employer-based plans, and giving employees the cash saved from that might be one option.
The debt, deficit and unfunded mandates total around $65 Trillion.
What has to be done, while simple in concept, is difficult in execution with the way things are run in DC. Things in DC have to change at a fundamental level.
Government should run their house, like you and I run ours.
We live within budget, don't spend more than we have in income.
When we incur debt, we have a plan to pay the debt back, and the payments for the debt are included in the budget.
Now get all the special interest groups, all those with their hands in the cookie jar, all those whose power comes from handing out goodies to go along.
| 913 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:18:04am |
re: #890 avanti
I was actually was watching the town hall and lurking. I find the whole health care debate a bit tiring since we a debating 3 bills, none of which are final, and all of which are being spun by both sides.
It's amazing, we have already heard this tactic from other sources, and you pick right up on it. It's almost like it's a new official talking point of the progressives.
It's not a bill, it's just proposals, so, it's moot to talk about something that could change (even though talking about it could change it), so shut up, and then, when it is a bill, then we can talk about it but of course we can't change it because it is a bill.
Hurts ones head, doesn't it. It's part and parcel right along with Obama's statement last week...
"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking."
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
Don't you love it? But, this time the conservatives ARE talking, and we are not shutting up, and all these lies and feigned aversions by the progressives are NOT working, they can't even keep up with their own lies, what more the effort from conservatives to stop the progress of the socialism they are promoting.
Not really sorry at all.
I
| 914 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:18:26am |
re: #910 Sharmuta
Principles? In politics? That's just crazy talk.
What can I say... I'm a romantic fool.
| 916 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:19:29am |
re: #912 jcm
The debt, deficit and unfunded mandates total around $65 Trillion.
What has to be done, while simple in concept, is difficult in execution with the way things are run in DC. Things in DC have to change at a fundamental level.
Government should run their house, like you and I run ours.
We live within budget, don't spend more than we have in income.
When we incur debt, we have a plan to pay the debt back, and the payments for the debt are included in the budget.Now get all the special interest groups, all those with their hands in the cookie jar, all those whose power comes from handing out goodies to go along.
the feds have really run amok with this new admin...unprecedented lunacy...economic and foreign policy both are a disaster...apologists for this dangerous bunch of frat boys are targets and deserve anything that gets dished out at them...there is much at stake
| 917 |
FrogMarch Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:19:33am |
re: #901 WinterCat
And this is why it is doubly essential that anyone who attends these town hall meetings be absolutely squeaky clean when it comes to their behavior. I am a pretty firm believer in letting people's behavior speak for itself. The left has called out the thug SEIU. They are accustomed to making their point through violence. The people on the right must not engage in any violent or outrageous behavior.
I agree. The shouting and chanting are not helpful helpful. I've said so, many times. (though I do think there is an effort to only point out the bad behavior of the right) (I also think that people are genuinely pissed and they simply want to yell at their representative - Their representative who is supposed to be representing them!)
| 918 |
avanti Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:19:46am |
re: #899 albusteve
all of which are intrusive, socialistic and rejected by the majority of Americans...I agree that debate is quite, tiring, useless and distracting
I love stepping out of my liberal bubble into this one, it's a alternative universe. In my world, it's the crazy, right wing religious nuts, in yours, it's the socialists 24/7 and the truth is, neither is correct.
| 919 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:20:04am |
re: #909 WinterCat
Ghandi didn't.
Of course he did. His tactic was superior to his opposition. They failed to adapt to his. They lost.
| 921 |
Lincolntf Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:20:04am |
re: #908 albusteve
Damn. If I still lived in MA, I'd head up for it. Portsmouth is a cool town (with a good brewery) and one of my favorite restaurants (The Library) of all time.
| 922 |
FrogMarch Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:20:10am |
how did 2 helpfuls get in there? scratch one.
| 923 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:21:35am |
Hmm, just got my daily Rasmussen polls by e-mail and the headlines say:
"45% Rate Obama Good or Excellent As A Leader, Down 19 Points From January
Forty-five percent (45%) of U.S. voters now give President Obama good or excellent marks on leadership, down three points from last month and down 19 points from when he took office in January, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.
32% Favor Single Payer Health Care, 57% Oppose
Thirty-two percent (32%) of voters nationwide favor a single-payer health care system where the federal government provides coverage for everyone. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 57% are opposed to a single-payer plan."
Just FYI.
| 924 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:21:56am |
re: #916 albusteve
not targets of violence of course...
I do not advocate any form of extremism
get it done at the polls
| 925 |
avanti Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:23:10am |
re: #900 vxbush
I must admit, I am tired of it as well. I would like to enjoy the last few days of summer while I can.
Yep, I've been doing some yard work, sunlight fires up my endorphins and in the winter, I get the blues.
| 926 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:23:22am |
re: #786 Spenser (with an S)
Honorary Yooper, you here? Saw your post above about the Great Lakes water levels rising and it is good news, indeed. Small cloud on that silver lining? My folks' place on Lake MI now has 1/4 the beach it had 2 years ago. Still good news, though.
It's good that they're rising again, and all apparently due to natural causes. However, I think we still need to be vigilant about the use of the water from the Lakes i.e. it should not be used for the Southwest or sold overseas.
Found a bunch of neat science links this morning. I usually look for really neat links or ones that are thought provoking (even if I disagree with them).
| 927 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:23:24am |
re: #918 avanti
I love stepping out of my liberal bubble into this one, it's a alternative universe. In my world, it's the crazy, right wing religious nuts, in yours, it's the socialists 24/7 and the truth is, neither is correct.
It's very easy to take that position; the common-sense, non-idealogue with an open mind. None the less, these proposals are chock full of bad stuff that would be the ruin of a great system.
| 928 |
VegasRick Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:24:24am |
re: #924 albusteve
not targets of violence of course...
I do not advocate any form of extremism
get it done at the polls
The people are beginning to awake.
[Link: www.lvrj.com...]
| 929 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:25:32am |
re: #928 VegasRick
The people are beginning to awake.
[Link: www.lvrj.com...]
We're the gov't ,, we don't need to listen to the people, awake or not!
| 930 |
WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:25:38am |
re: #917 FrogMarch
I agree. The shouting and chanting are not helpful helpful. I've said so, many times. (though I do think there is an effort to only point out the bad behavior of the right) (I also think that people are genuinely pissed and they simply want to yell at their representative - Their representative who is supposed to be representing them!)
upding. I get a kick out of your nic btw. I have visions of hundreds of little green frogs marching down the road in unison.
| 931 |
avanti Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:25:42am |
re: #927 Spenser (with an S)
It's very easy to take that position; the common-sense, non-idealogue with an open mind. None the less, these proposals are chock full of bad stuff that would be the ruin of a great system.
I support going through the bills with a fine toothed comb, but those that just want to disrupt the process make it hard to watch.
| 932 |
Irish Rose Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:26:12am |
The word "progressive" has become the new right-wing attack word.
Hardcore wingers like Walter hurl it at anyone who has the audacity to disagree with them, no matter who they are ... even if they're fellow Repubicans.
It's a tactic that they use to anger others, deflect criticism and discredit an ideological opponent... one that is typically used by right-wing bullies who can't carry their own weight in an honest debate.
| 934 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:27:01am |
re: #928 VegasRick
The people are beginning to awake.
[Link: www.lvrj.com...]
good news...maybe just the threat alone will chill Harry
| 935 |
VegasRick Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:27:10am |
re: #929 sattv4u2
We're the gov't ,, we don't need to listen to the people, awake or not!
No town halls for Harry. Folks in Vegas are pissed.
| 936 |
WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:27:35am |
re: #919 NukeAtomrod
Of course he did. His tactic was superior to his opposition. They failed to adapt to his. They lost.
He did not adapt to theirs. Which was, I think, the thrust of the statement you made to which I was responding. But I agree with you on this second point that his opposition failed to adapt to him.
| 937 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:27:53am |
re: #920 buzzsawmonkey
...his "passive resistance" worked only because he was dealing with the British, who had some vestigial commitment to fair play, respect for humanity, and the rule of law.
Exactly. If the British were willing to compromise on those principles, they could have defeated Gandhi in any number of ways. Fortunately for him, the British chose not to do so.
| 938 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:28:12am |
re: #926 Honorary Yooper
Honorary Yooper, you here? Saw your post above about the Great Lakes water levels rising and it is good news, indeed. Small cloud on that silver lining? My folks' place on Lake MI now has 1/4 the beach it had 2 years ago. Still good news, though.
It's good that they're rising again, and all apparently due to natural causes. However, I think we still need to be vigilant about the use of the water from the Lakes i.e. it should not be used for the Southwest or sold overseas.
Yep, I agree. What an amazing resource we have here and we must take care of them. Tourism and the largest supply of fresh water on earth.
| 939 |
JacksonTn Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:29:05am |
re: #932 Irish Rose
The word "progressive" has become the new right-wing attack word.
Hardcore wingers like Walter hurl it at anyone who has the audacity to disagree with them, no matter who they are ... even if they're fellow Repubicans.
It's a tactic that they use to anger others, deflect criticism and discredit an ideological opponent... one that is typically used by right-wing bullies who can't carry their own weight in an honest debate.
IR ... Progressive should be a word used to describe Pelosi Obama, et al ... it is the new softer sounding name for socialist ... they starting using it ... to fool Americans ... to deny it is to not know the history of the democrats ...
| 940 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:29:46am |
re: #928 VegasRick
The people are beginning to awake.
[Link: www.lvrj.com...]
re: #929 sattv4u2
We're the gov't ,, we don't need to listen to the people, awake or not!
re: #924 albusteve
not targets of violence of course...
I do not advocate any form of extremism
get it done at the polls
re: #934 albusteve
good news...maybe just the threat alone will chill Harry
re: #935 VegasRick
No town halls for Harry. Folks in Vegas are pissed.
It is very evident that the conservative finally decided that political correctness and all the other little tactics by progressives, the stuff that has been shove down the throats of this country for 50 years, that these tactics are sort of like, well, denial of freedom of speech, and maybe, just maybe the conservatives aren't going to be fooled anymore.
Hope so.
| 941 |
redstateredneck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:30:08am |
re: #930 WinterCat
upding. I get a kick out of your nic btw. I have visions of hundreds of little green frogs marching down the road in unison.
Goose stepping!
| 942 |
VegasRick Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:30:16am |
The gal on FOX right now is one of the faces of the movement.
| 943 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:30:17am |
OT - nice, amusing and nostalgic article about S.S. Adams prank and novelty items:
[Link: www.zug.com...]
| 945 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:30:45am |
re: #932 Irish Rose
The word "progressive" has become the new right-wing attack word.
Hardcore wingers like Walter hurl it at anyone who has the audacity to disagree with them, no matter who they are ... even if they're fellow Repubicans.
It's a tactic that they use to anger others, deflect criticism and discredit an ideological opponent... one that is typically used by right-wing bullies who can't carry their own weight in an honest debate.
You understand, good.
| 946 |
VegasRick Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:31:00am |
re: #940 Walter L. Newton
It is very evident that the conservative finally decided that political correctness and all the other little tactics by progressives, the stuff that has been shove down the throats of this country for 50 years, that these tactics are sort of like, well, denial of freedom of speech, and maybe, just maybe the conservatives aren't going to be fooled anymore.
Hope so.
10,000 updings!
| 947 |
redstateredneck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:31:07am |
re: #932 Irish Rose
I thought "progressive" was the label chosen by the "liberals".
| 948 |
yma o hyd Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:32:04am |
| 949 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:32:36am |
re: #932 Irish Rose
The word "progressive" has become the new right-wing attack word.
Hardcore wingers like Walter hurl it at anyone who has the audacity to disagree with them, no matter who they are ... even if they're fellow Repubicans.
It's a tactic that they use to anger others, deflect criticism and discredit an ideological opponent... one that is typically used by right-wing bullies who can't carry their own weight in an honest debate.
Sorry, but I think it's more descriptive than used as an ad hominim. The "progressive" agenda has been around for awhile now, and point by point is anathema to what this countries foundations were.
Interesting that during the primaries Hillary went to great lengths to not have the label of "liberal" attached to her, which imho did start to become a sort of attack word. She stated that she was a progressive!
What a nice sounding word,,, PROGRESSIVE ,, well,, isn't EVERYONE (cept perhaps ther Amish) FOR PROGRESS? But at it's roots the theories go agaisnt traditional American values
| 950 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:32:40am |
re: #946 VegasRick
10,000 updings!
Thanks. Personally, I have never seen the left so rattled as I have in the last two weeks. Someone must be doing something right?
(Or am I imagining it?)
| 951 |
Lincolntf Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:34:53am |
re: #947 redstateredneck
It certainly was where I'm from. I used to constantly get "corrected" and told to refer to "Libs" as "Progresives".
When nobody could give me a single example where Libs and Progs disagreed I decided the two are one in the same. I just use whichever one I want and let the whiners whine about it.
| 952 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:35:04am |
As we discuss what "progressive" means, I'll say I think "progressives" are progressing in reverse, kind of like a retreat being advancing on the enemy in a backward direction.
And I'll give an old Gallagher joke.
If con is the opposite of pro, the opposite of progress is?
| 953 |
Irish Rose Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:35:33am |
re: #939 JacksonTn
IR ... Progressive should be a word used to describe Pelosi Obama, et al ... it is the new softer sounding name for socialist ... they starting using it ... to fool Americans ... to deny it is to not know the history of the democrats ...
That would be the correct use of the word. Using it to shut down an ideological opponent because you don't like what they have to say just cheapens it, IMO.
| 954 |
VegasRick Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:35:57am |
re: #950 Walter L. Newton
Thanks. Personally, I have never seen the left so rattled as I have in the last two weeks. Someone must be doing something right?
(Or am I imagining it?)
You are correct. The bad news for them is just what you stated - it is becoming more than just the health care debate - it is becoming anger over the politicians arrogance and berating of regular American folks.
| 955 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:35:58am |
re: #933 taxfreekiller
Hey there my friend - where did you get the idea that 37% of Americans are "on the dole"?
| 956 |
JacksonTn Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:36:02am |
re: #950 Walter L. Newton
Thanks. Personally, I have never seen the left so rattled as I have in the last two weeks. Someone must be doing something right?
(Or am I imagining it?)
WLN ... no you are not imagining it ... I am sad to see the SEIU doing some things that they have at the townhalls but I so glad that America is finally seeing what they are really about and that these are the same people who "helped" him win ... these same tactics were used during the primaries and they will continue to be used for as long as needed to help Obama and Peloso get their agendas over on America ...
I do favor violence from any side .. I can only speak to what I have personally seen from the SEIU and it was ugly ...
| 957 |
SurferDoc Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:36:17am |
re: #950 Walter L. Newton
Thanks. Personally, I have never seen the left so rattled as I have in the last two weeks. Someone must be doing something right?
(Or am I imagining it?)
I think you are right. The shrieking usually indicates the Right may be about to put some points on the board. That cannot be allowed.
| 958 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:36:45am |
re: #949 sattv4u2
Sorry, but I think it's more descriptive than used as an ad hominim. The "progressive" agenda has been around for awhile now, and point by point is anathema to what this countries foundations were.
Interesting that during the primaries Hillary went to great lengths to not have the label of "liberal" attached to her, which imho did start to become a sort of attack word. She stated that she was a progressive!
What a nice sounding word,,, PROGRESSIVE ,, well,, isn't EVERYONE (cept perhaps ther Amish) FOR PROGRESS? But at it's roots the theories go agaisnt traditional American values
And that's exactly why I have been using it excessively recently, because this health care proposal is the worst kind of progressive (nee: socialist) doctrine we have seen in years.
And since the Democratic party seems to support it lock, stock and single-payer, I have no problem labeling all that support by the left as "progressive."
This proposed bill is so totally against the very foundational doctrines of this country, it would take an alien from another planet not to see how dangerous it is.
Yes, this health care proposal is is pure progressive politics.
| 959 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:37:09am |
re: #952 Kosh's Shadow
If con is the opposite of pro, the opposite of progress is?
According to thesaurus.com:
decline, decrease, deterioration, retreat, retrogression
:)
| 960 |
JacksonTn Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:37:21am |
re: #956 JacksonTn
WLN ... no you are not imagining it ... I am sad to see the SEIU doing some things that they have at the townhalls but I so glad that America is finally seeing what they are really about and that these are the same people who "helped" him win ... these same tactics were used during the primaries and they will continue to be used for as long as needed to help Obama and Peloso get their agendas over on America ...
I do favor violence from any side .. I can only speak to what I have personally seen from the SEIU and it was ugly ...
I meant do not favor violence from any side ... anywhere ...
| 961 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:37:26am |
re: #936 WinterCat
He did not adapt to theirs. Which was, I think, the thrust of the statement you made to which I was responding. But I agree with you on this second point that his opposition failed to adapt to him.
The point is, superior tactics always win. You have to adapt or you will lose. In a way, it's an arms race. In general you have to counter whatever is harming you, sometimes even in despicable ways, in order to survive. Priority number one is to stay alive, all other ideals are secondary.
| 962 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:38:13am |
re: #932 Irish Rose
The word "progressive" has become the new right-wing attack word.
Um... considering it's generally the preferred self-descriptive for people on the left side of the American political spectrum, what would you prefer we call them? So as not to be all attack-y and so forth, I mean.
| 963 |
Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:38:32am |
re: #951 Lincolntf
It certainly was where I'm from. I used to constantly get "corrected" and told to refer to "Libs" as "Progresives".
When nobody could give me a single example where Libs and Progs disagreed I decided the two are one in the same. I just use whichever one I want and let the whiners whine about it.
"Liberal" had too many negatives in the polling and focus groups, they decided to "re-brand" and start over...but, of course, keeping the same exact beliefs and goals...that's not very progressive.
| 965 |
yma o hyd Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:39:01am |
re: #960 JacksonTn
I meant do not favor violence from any side ... anywhere ...
I was certain that that was what you meant!
| 966 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:39:05am |
re: #949 sattv4u2
HEY! What do you have against the Amish, eh?!
| 967 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:39:25am |
re: #959 Mad Al-Jaffee
According to thesaurus.com:
decline, decrease, deterioration, retreat, retrogression:)
Sorry ,, but the word we're looking for is CONgress, as ooposed to PROgress
But thanks for playing
Johnny, what do we have as parting gifts???
| 968 |
WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:39:26am |
re: #920 buzzsawmonkey
Gandhi is a pretty lousy example. First, his "passive resistance" worked only because he was dealing with the British, who had some vestigial commitment to fair play, respect for humanity, and the rule of law. Gandhi was quite willing to use "passive resistance" to counter a Japanese invasion of India, had it come, rather than help the British resist an invasion by force--even though he candidly admitted it would probably cause several million deaths.
Gandhi also suggested that the Jews of Europe commit mass suicide to "arouse the conscience of the world"--and, when faced with the evidence of the Holocaust the Nazis had visited upon the Jews, said that since the Jews had been killed anyway they might just as well have done what he had suggested.
Also, his advocacy of home-loom cottage industry was economically absurd.
Yes, I do respect the point that you cite regarding Ghandi's approach to the Japanese. He did know it would be a losing strategy to use passive resistance against them. I was actually just responding to the statement that if one
does not adapt to one's opponent's strategy
one
will lose.
And, in all honesty, reviewing my comment in response to that statement I read too much into what was said. What I interpreted the poster to mean was that one must respond in kind. That may or may not have been his/her intent. I really should not have jumped to that conclusion. Rather, I should have asked for clarification.
And in all of this I am not advocating that people go to these meetings and let the thugs beat the snot out of them. I am saying, however, that people who do go to protest have to be peaceful. They can't engage in the leftist tactics (which we have been disgusted by) of screaming and physical violence.
| 969 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:39:27am |
re: #962 Occasional Reader
Um... considering it's generally the preferred self-descriptive for people on the left side of the American political spectrum, what would you prefer we call them?
"Libtards" works for me.
| 970 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:40:31am |
re: #966 realwest
HEY! What do you have against the Amish, eh?!
I was driving thru Pennsyvania two weeks ago and I ran over a huge pile of Amish horse shit. Took me 3 hours to get it all out of my tires!
| 971 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:40:37am |
| 972 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:41:18am |
re: #967 sattv4u2
Sorry ,, but the word we're looking for is CONgress, as ooposed to PROgress
But thanks for playing
Johnny, what do we have as parting gifts???
Yeah, I know that old joke, hence the smiley in my post.
I'm not a liguist, but I know that "congress" and "progress" are not really opposites.
| 973 |
vxbush Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:41:43am |
re: #955 realwest
Hey there my friend - where did you get the idea that 37% of Americans are "on the dole"?
I had heard that the figure was closer to 1 in 9...
| 974 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:42:09am |
re: #972 Mad Al-Jaffee
Yeah, I know that old joke, hence the smiley in my post.
I'm not a liguist, but I know that "congress" and "progress" are not really opposites.
Haven't watched much C-Span, have ya?
| 975 |
VegasRick Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:42:12am |
re: #970 sattv4u2
I was driving thru Pennsyvania two weeks ago and I ran over a huge pile of Amish horse shit. Took me 3 hours to get it all out of my tires!
LOL!
| 976 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:42:24am |
Well it looks like progressives are not getting a lot of support to help stop the conservatives from using the word progressive.
| 977 |
Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:42:51am |
re: #969 Mad Al-Jaffee
"Libtards" works for me.
Progressive is just fine with me, that's what they want to be called. Fair enough, but I wish they would stop with the pretending that they are something different that plain old' liberals with a shiny new name.
| 978 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:42:56am |
Gibbs blames cable in health care fight
Robert Gibbs, speaking to Matt Lauer this morning on "Today," said "we all have something to lose, Matt, if we let cable television come to town hall meetings and kill health care reform for another year, and put the special interests back in charge."
If cable would just STFU and get out of the way...
| 979 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:42:58am |
re: #974 sattv4u2
Haven't watched much C-Span, have ya?
I listen to C-Span on the radio most mornings during my commute.
| 980 |
Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:43:13am |
re: #972 Mad Al-Jaffee
Yeah, I know that old joke, hence the smiley in my post.
I'm not a liguist, but I know that "congress" and "progress" are not really opposites.
The first lines of 1776: "If one useless man is a disgrace, and two useless men are a lawfirm, then three, or more, are a congress."
| 981 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:43:16am |
re: #920 buzzsawmonkey
First, his "passive resistance" worked only because he was dealing with the British, who had some vestigial commitment to fair play, respect for humanity, and the rule of law
My IRA great-great- uncle will probably turn over in his grave as I type this, but I'd say: More than "vestigial". They had a long history of it. Plus, British public opinion was pretty solidly on his side.
As someone (I don't recall who) noted rather, ah, bluntly: If Gandhi had tried the same tactics in a hypothetical Nazi-occupied India, he would have simply wound up as a lampshade.
| 982 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:43:21am |
re: #968 WinterCat
You are correct. I did not mean you have to copy your opponents tactics. You need to find an effective counter to them.
| 983 |
WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:43:57am |
re: #982 NukeAtomrod
You are correct. I did not mean you have to copy your opponents tactics. You need to find an effective counter to them.
My bad for not asking you in the first place. I got a little trigger happy there.
| 985 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:45:08am |
re: #978 NJDhockeyfan
Gibbs blames cable in health care fight
If cable would just STFU and get out of the way...
We should really be holding those town hall meetings in utter secrecy, Mr. Gibbs. That's clearly the best solution.
/we live in Bizarro World, folks, it's official
| 986 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:45:09am |
re: #973 vxbush
I had heard that the figure was closer to 1 in 9...
I think getting one kind or another of public assistance is where the number (36%) comes from
There are many programs that would qualify as "on the dole" even if there is a household income and no welfare check to that family
School free lunch/ brakfast programs. Food stamps (the elderly on fixed incomes qualify, not just welfare mothers). etc
| 988 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:45:39am |
re: #977 Desert Dog
Progressive is just fine with me, that's what they want to be called. Fair enough, but I wish they would stop with the pretending that they are something different that plain old' liberals with a shiny new name.
By telling us we are using the word progressive as some sort of slam, we get the opportunity to remind the left how much they so dearly love that word.
Paybacks are...
| 989 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:46:09am |
| 991 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:47:06am |
re: #981 Occasional Reader
My IRA great-great- uncle
I hasten to add: We're talking Easter Rebellion IRA here, not the "blowing holes in bandsmen by remote-control" IRA.
| 993 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:47:36am |
re: #976 Walter L. Newton
Well it looks like progressives are not getting a lot of support to help stop the conservatives from using the word progressive.
No matter how many linguistic coats of paint they put on it, the idea of collectivism keeps seeping to the surface.
| 994 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:47:40am |
re: #977 Desert Dog
Progressive is just fine with me, that's what they want to be called. Fair enough, but I wish they would stop with the pretending that they are something different that plain old' liberals with a shiny new name.
wordy peacocks...next year it will be another name
control the language, control the dialog
| 995 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:47:58am |
re: #978 NJDhockeyfan
Uh, well as much as I hate to say it - and I do - Gibbs has a point, although it's all of the MSM, not just cable.
The MSM (cable included) tends to focus on the shriekers and those elected officials who won't answer questions and angrily attack the questioners. Or bring in the SEIU and ACORN folks, to the exclusion of those folks who ask questions politely and try to get answers to their questions and sometimes do.
Nonetheless, this is a perfect example of what the First Amendment was intended to protect: no government action against Free Speech. I think Gibbs and his boss are gonna have to get used to it.
| 996 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:49:08am |
re: #972 Mad Al-Jaffee
I'm not a liguist, but I know that "congress" and "progress" are not really opposites.
In bed.
| 997 |
Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:49:10am |
re: #988 Walter L. Newton
By telling us we are using the word progressive as some sort of slam, we get the opportunity to remind the left how much they so dearly love that word.
Paybacks are...
Labels can be changed. But, that does not change what's behind the label. If being called a "progressive" is a slam now, will they change it to something else? Come on Liberals, make up your minds!
| 998 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:49:34am |
re: #992 buzzsawmonkey
Yes, I was intentionally pitching it low with "vestigial."
Thank you for adding this appendix to your earlier post.
| 999 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:49:44am |
re: #983 WinterCat
My bad for not asking you in the first place. I got a little trigger happy there.
S'alright.
| 1000 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:49:52am |
| 1001 |
vxbush Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:50:04am |
re: #986 sattv4u2
I think getting one kind or another of public assistance is where the number (36%) comes from
There are many programs that would qualify as "on the dole" even if there is a household income and no welfare check to that family
School free lunch/ brakfast programs. Food stamps (the elderly on fixed incomes qualify, not just welfare mothers). etc
Perhaps. My figure is the number receiving assistance in the form of welfare and/or food stamps, if I remember correctly.
| 1002 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:50:25am |
re: #988 Walter L. Newton
By telling us we are using the word progressive as some sort of slam, we get the opportunity to remind the left how much they so dearly love that word.
Paybacks are...
It's embraced in Seattle...
Constantine runs as 'most progressive' of county-exec hopefuls
At 47, and still plugged into the local rock-music scene, Constantine also is portraying himself as a bridge to a younger generation of leadership. He is, he says, "the most progressive" candidate.
| 1003 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:50:52am |
| 1005 |
justabill Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:51:49am |
re: #950 Walter L. Newton
Thanks. Personally, I have never seen the left so rattled as I have in the last two weeks. Someone must be doing something right?
(Or am I imagining it?)
Your imagining it, whats really happening is that mobs of mean spirited American Nazis are embarrassing themselves by disrupting the town hall meetings of our enlightened leaders in Congress, who know far better than we do whats good for us.../
| 1006 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:51:51am |
re: #1004 buzzsawmonkey
I wouldn't want you to have to vent your spleen.
We'll just have to liver with the way it is.
| 1007 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:52:20am |
re: #1004 buzzsawmonkey
I wouldn't want you to have to vent your spleen.
Think you can beat me in a war of "vestigial" puns? Well, you can just suck my coccyx!
| 1009 |
vxbush Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:52:22am |
re: #1006 jcm
We'll just have to liver with the way it is.
I just don't think I can stomach this conversation anymore.
| 1010 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:52:26am |
re: #1002 jcm
there is a flow chart I hear...it explains all the hair splitting details, sort of a Who's Who of the left of center
| 1011 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:52:31am |
| 1012 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:53:14am |
re: #1006 jcm
HEY jcm! LOOK OUTSIDE YOUR WINDOW: It's RAINING!!
:)
| 1013 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:53:18am |
| 1014 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:53:22am |
re: #1011 Mad Al-Jaffee
re: #1006 jcm
We'll just have to liver with the way it is.
I don't have the heart to reply.
You two are offal.
| 1015 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:53:36am |
re: #1003 JamesTKirk
If you can't lick 'em, join 'em.
You resorting to this sort of vulgarity shows you up as the little man (in the boat) that you are.
/
| 1016 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:53:53am |
re: #1001 vxbush
Perhaps. My figure is the number receiving assistance in the form of welfare and/or food stamps, if I remember correctly.
Those are merely 2 "assistance" programs. As stated, perhaps the higher number figures in fuel subsidies (gas and/ or electric), school lunch programs, hell, even job training seminars (held by the gov't) could count
| 1018 |
WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:54:28am |
re: #984 buzzsawmonkey
You misunderstand me. Gandhi was in favor of using passive resistance against the Japanese, regardless of the millions of deaths it would cause. He was OK with the millions of deaths, as a matter of principle--and did not consider the death of millions to be a "losing strategy." And he opposed assisting the British in violent resistance to a Japanese invasion, should the Japanese have gotten that far.
Which, along with his suggestion that the Jews of Europe commit mass suicide, is why I do not regard him as any kind of hero.
The fact that his son has engaged in vocally antisemitic writings, some which were featured here a year or so ago, doesn't make me think much of Gandhi either.
It is clear that you are not a Ghandi fan. I am not advocating everything that he espoused by any reason. And I am not saying he was a hero. Please don't take my citing him as being the case.
But his strategy against the British, was a brilliant gamble. And it worked. Yes, because the British had a moral code that made them take a hard look at themselves and stop the brutality. Used against Nazi Germany his strategy would have no doubt failed. And I know he was okay with the possible deaths of millions of people because he evidently felt that no cost was too great as long as as long as people followed his principals of passive resistance.
| 1019 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:54:34am |
I was just wondering. Do you think Charles chuckles along with us, or do you think that he feels we "soil" his blog with the silliness?
| 1020 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:55:11am |
re: #1015 Occasional Reader
You resorting to this sort of vulgarity shows you up as the little man (in the boat) that you are.
/
Don't accuse me of vulvarity!
| 1021 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:55:54am |
re: #1019 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Whaddya mean "we" soil his blog?
/
| 1023 |
1SG(ret) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:56:08am |
re: #1016 sattv4u2
What about those who pay no income tax, but wind up getting a huge refund. I think they should be added as well. Then what would the numbers be?
| 1025 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:56:38am |
re: #1019 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I was just wondering. Do you think Charles chuckles along with us, or do you think that he feels we "soil" his blog with the silliness?
He's never deleted any of my comments for me being a skeevy-minded bastard yet.
| 1027 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:57:31am |
Limerick of the day:
If you think you're insured, you're insane.
You're the source of our shareholders' gain.
If your kid's getting sick
gives our profits a nick
we'll soon teach you the meaning of pain*.
*Note: This could also be rendered as payin'. Just sayin'.
| 1028 |
WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:57:36am |
re: #1024 buzzsawmonkey
A point to mull and ponder as we consider an Administration which is willing to cripple the American economy and cause misery to millions with an energy policy that will increase the cost of everything.
Trust me. I have very real concerns about the direction in which this Administration is heading America.
| 1030 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:58:34am |
re: #1024 buzzsawmonkey
A point to mull and ponder
But we need to raise our voices in a mighty chorus of righteous protest, not merely a mulled whine.
| 1032 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:58:42am |
re: #1023 1SG(ret)
Hi there Top! How are ya doing today? Any word from anyone on those papers yet?
And, btw, y'all need to be careful with those who pay no income tax as some of 'em have earned tax free income.
| 1033 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:59:05am |
re: #1023 1SG(ret)
What about those who pay no income tax, but wind up getting a huge refund. I think they should be added as well. Then what would the numbers be?
An astonishing 43.4 percent of Americans now pay zero or negative federal income taxes. The number of single or jointly-filing "taxpayers" - the word must be applied sparingly - who pay no taxes or receive government handouts has reached 65.6 million, out of a total of 151 million.
| 1034 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:59:13am |
re: #1032 realwest
And, btw, y'all need to be careful with those who pay no income tax as some of 'em have earned tax free income.
In bed?
| 1035 |
Kenneth Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:59:36am |
Progressivism is a political and social term that refers to ideologies and movements favoring or advocating changes or reform, usually in a statist or egalitarian direction for economic policies (government management) and liberal direction for social policies (personal choice). Progressivism is often viewed in opposition to conservative ideologies.
In the United States, the term progressivism emerged in the late 19th century into the 20th century in reference to a more general response to the vast changes brought by industrialization: an alternative to both the traditional conservative response to social and economic issues and to the various more radical streams of socialism and anarchism which opposed them. Political parties, such as the Progressive Party, organized at the start of the 20th century, and progressivism made great strides under American presidents Theodore Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Lyndon Baines Johnson.[1]
In recent years, most people adopting the term "Progressive" to label their political ideology are socialist. They prefer the term "Progressives" because it does not carry the baggage or unwelcome associations of the word "socialist". There are still some committed activists who go for the comnbined terminalogy, Socialist Progressives.
The term is not a slur, any more than the term "liberal" or "conservative" are slurs. These are all recognized political labels used by people & parties to self-identify.
Of course, not everybody who uses the word "progressive", is so. Back in the 1960's, the Conservative Party of Canada felt they needed to get with the times and changed their name to the Progressive Conservative Party. Political pundits immediately made jokes about the "Forwards Backwards" Party. They changed the name back to the Conservative Party only a few years ago.
| 1037 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:59:45am |
re: #997 Desert Dog
Labels can be changed. But, that does not change what's behind the label. If being called a "progressive" is a slam now, will they change it to something else? Come on Liberals, make up your minds!
Club-footed. Gimp. Deformed. Crippled. Handicapped. Physically challenged. Handi-capable. Differently-abled.
| 1038 |
1SG(ret) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:00:01am |
re: #1032 realwest
They should come straight to you. Did you get the copy of the paperwork I sent you?
| 1039 |
WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:00:09am |
re: #1033 jcm
An astonishing 43.4 percent of Americans now pay zero or negative federal income taxes. The number of single or jointly-filing "taxpayers" - the word must be applied sparingly - who pay no taxes or receive government handouts has reached 65.6 million, out of a total of 151 million.
And those numbers will rise. Really really scary.
| 1040 |
FrogMarch Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:00:14am |
re: #1019 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I was just wondering. Do you think Charles chuckles along with us, or do you think that he feels we "soil" his blog with the silliness?
Yes.
| 1041 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:00:14am |
re: #1033 jcm
An astonishing 43.4 percent of Americans now pay zero or negative federal income taxes. The number of single or jointly-filing "taxpayers" - the word must be applied sparingly - who pay no taxes or receive government handouts has reached 65.6 million, out of a total of 151 million.
Thus, more and more of the electorate will be happy to vote themselves more "free" stuff. Not good.
| 1043 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:00:38am |
| 1045 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:01:28am |
re: #1033 jcm
An astonishing 43.4 percent of Americans now pay zero or negative federal income taxes. The number of single or jointly-filing "taxpayers" - the word must be applied sparingly - who pay no taxes or receive government handouts has reached 65.6 million, out of a total of 151 million.
That is just not enough. We need more.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:01:45am |
| 1047 |
MJ Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:02:01am |
Read the whole letter:
Following is an open letter by UN Watch executive director Hillel Neuer to Mrs. Mary Robinson, former U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights and Secretary-General of the 2001 Durban conference, who is set to receive the U.S. Presidential Medal of Freedom this week.
Letter to Mrs. Mary Robinson
Dear Mrs. Robinson,
Recent statements by you and your defenders, amid the growing opposition to your receipt this Wednesday of the Presidential Medal of Freedom, require a response.
According to the organization Physicians for Human Rights—for whom you recently worked on a report together with one of its board members, Richard Goldstone—you are being “vilified” by “false accusations.”In your own words, “certain elements” of the Jewish community—those opposed to your selection—are subjecting you to “bullying.”
Mrs. Robinson, let’s be honest: no one has bullied you, and you are not being vilified by false accusations.
Instead, facts were presented and issues raised concerning your 1997-2002 tenure as U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights—by mainstream Jewish organizations as well as by members of Congress on both sides of the aisle—which question the integrity of your actions on the Middle East, most famously during the lead-up to that dark moment in history known as the Durban conference.
Hurling ad hominem epithets won’t make these facts go away. Nor will misrepresenting your critics’ arguments and then purporting to refute them, which is what both you and your defenders have been doing.
If you are to receive this medal, the American people are entitled to know precisely what the issues are.
I. Your Role at Durban...
[Link: www.unwatch.org...]
| 1048 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:02:13am |
re: #1019 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I was just wondering. Do you think Charles chuckles along with us, or do you think that he feels we "soil" his blog with the silliness?
Yes.
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Irish Rose Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:02:43am |
I'm seeing an awful lot of intellectual dishonesty on this thread.
| 1050 |
Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:02:50am |
re: #1045 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That is just not enough. We need more.
Those damn rich people are not coughing up enough. I say we send out "collection squads" to grab those rich people by the ankles and shake them until every penny comes out!
/
| 1051 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:02:54am |
| 1052 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:02:59am |
re: #1039 WinterCat
And those numbers will rise. Really really scary.
re: #1041 Occasional Reader
Thus, more and more of the electorate will be happy to vote themselves more "free" stuff. Not good.
I always thought, everyone who earns a wage, should pay something into the system, in a sense to vest them in the process.
What we have now is more akin to oligarchy bribing and buying votes out of the public treasury.
| 1053 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:03:00am |
re: #1047 MJ
Read the whole letter:
Following is an open letter by UN Watch executive director Hillel Neuer to Mrs. Mary Robinson, former U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights and Secretary-General of the 2001 Durban conference, who is set to receive the U.S. Presidential Medal of Freedom this week.
Letter to Mrs. Mary Robinson[Link: www.unwatch.org...]
Here's to you, Mrs. Robinson. Jesus loves you more than you will know.
| 1054 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:03:24am |
re: #1033 jcm
An astonishing 43.4 percent of Americans now pay zero or negative federal income taxes. The number of single or jointly-filing "taxpayers" - the word must be applied sparingly - who pay no taxes or receive government handouts has reached 65.6 million, out of a total of 151 million.
How do you pay taxes if you have no income?
| 1055 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:03:50am |
re: #1049 Irish Rose
I'm seeing an awful lot of intellectual dishonesty on this thread.
I'm never dishonest intellectually. I have other ways of being dishonest.
| 1057 |
Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:04:09am |
re: #1023 1SG(ret)
What about those who pay no income tax, but wind up getting a huge refund. I think they should be added as well. Then what would the numbers be?
They can't receive a refund unless they've paid taxes, you know.
| 1058 |
Irish Rose Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:04:14am |
| 1059 |
WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:04:16am |
re: #1052 jcm
I always thought, everyone who earns a wage, should pay something into the system, in a sense to vest them in the process.
What we have now is more akin to oligarchy bribing and buying votes out of the public treasury.
I think that is the point of tax dollars funding Community Organization.
| 1060 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:04:19am |
| 1061 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:04:39am |
re: #1055 JamesTKirk
I'm never dishonest intellectually. I have other ways of being dishonest.
Ha! Nicely played.
| 1062 |
Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:04:42am |
| 1063 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:05:04am |
re: #1054 Alouette
How do you pay taxes if you have no income?
And how does a "tax credit" help you buy, say, health insurance if you pay no taxes?
| 1064 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:05:21am |
re: #1057 Dianna
They can't receive a refund unless they've paid taxes, you know.
Earned income tax credit. Mebbe they'll kick in some payroll tax, but they'll get 10 times back in EITC.
| 1065 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:05:22am |
re: #1054 Alouette
How do you pay taxes if you have no income?
Even if you earn an income, if that # is below XXX for a family of XXX you pay zero or even qualify to get money under the EIC (Earned Income Credit) statute
| 1066 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:06:01am |
re: #1054 Alouette
How do you pay taxes if you have no income?
They are talking about people who earn wages, who either have no tax obligations or we get more in credits and refunds than they pay in.
Income is broader, includes interest, capital gains etc...
| 1067 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:06:20am |
re: #1049 Irish Rose
I'm seeing an awful lot of intellectual dishonesty on this thread.
Probably... anything in particular bugging you?
| 1068 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:06:41am |
| 1069 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:07:14am |
re: #1034 JamesTKirk
No - fighting for their country for 20 years or so and then retiring comes to mind, as do former Troops who have suffered debilitating wounds and receive tax free "retirement" income.
| 1070 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:07:14am |
Well, if this thread is moving away from dirty puns into all this serious tax stuff, I'm outta here. Later.
| 1071 |
VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:07:56am |
re: #1033 jcm
An astonishing 43.4 percent of Americans now pay zero or negative federal income taxes. The number of single or jointly-filing "taxpayers" - the word must be applied sparingly - who pay no taxes or receive government handouts has reached 65.6 million, out of a total of 151 million.
This is a dangerous trend, as so many people no longer have any financial contribution to our government.
When Dems claim that the tax rates will just go back to the Clinton years and all will be fine, they discount the fact that less and less people are now holding up the country financially. That's just not sustainable.
| 1072 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:08:06am |
re: #1068 JamesTKirk
Lack of fruit cup?
Maybe you should have Scotty take a look at the food replicators.
| 1073 |
1SG(ret) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:08:11am |
re: #1057 Dianna
How silly of me, thanks for the correction. By the way, I will never (ever) misuse the the words: cite, site, or sight again thanks to you! ;-)
| 1074 |
DaddyG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:08:36am |
For the next hour or so they ran up to lay the bright coins on the hot steel rails, scrambled back to a safe distance to wait for a train, and then, after the spaceship-looking train had come rushing out of the station and howled past and begun to diminish in the west, tiptoed out to the track where the giant had passed and tried to find the featureless copper ovals.— Tim Powers, “Last Call”
The last time I tried to stamp a coin with a train the train was accelerating. It flung the coin out at a tremendous speed and with such a strong backspin that it buzzed like an angry wasp as it flew past my head into regions unknown.
I have never tried that again.
| 1076 |
jill e Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:08:59am |
“We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.” —CS Lewis
| 1077 |
Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:09:03am |
re: #1064 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Earned income tax credit. Mebbe they'll kick in some payroll tax, but they'll get 10 times back in EITC.
I'm not crazy about it, but I've seen a single woman managing with two kids (husband just up and left), and without EITC, she'd have had to quit working.
YMMD.
| 1078 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:09:53am |
re: #1036 Cato the Elder
Hey Cato the Elder - I'm keeping as well as I can, thanks for asking!
BTW, did you know that there's a lizard out here who's nicname is "cato"? Is he your younger brother?!
/
| 1079 |
WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:10:00am |
re: #1049 Irish Rose
I'm seeing an awful lot of intellectual dishonesty on this thread.
Care to be more specific?
| 1080 |
Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:10:13am |
re: #1073 1SG(ret)
How silly of me, thanks for the correction. By the way, I will never (ever) misuse the the words: cite, site, or sight again thanks to you! ;-)
That would be so great! I feel like I've made a real contribution to communication.
| 1081 |
Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:10:43am |
re: #1076 jill e
“We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.” —CS Lewis
I remember that. What's that from? Mere Christianity? Miracles?
| 1082 |
realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:11:04am |
re: #1038 1SG(ret)
Nope, Top I didn't receive anything from you at all. How long ago did y'all send it? Do you want to e-mail me with the addy you used?!
| 1084 |
Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:12:11am |
re: #1071 VioletTiger
This is a dangerous trend, as so many people no longer have any financial contribution to our government.
When Dems claim that the tax rates will just go back to the Clinton years and all will be fine, they discount the fact that less and less people are now holding up the country financially. That's just not sustainable.
There is a sinister reason for that as well. If you make someone dependent on you, they seem to vote for you and your party. Give them free stuff, foment anger towards "the rich", and promise more free stuff (paid for by the rich, of course).
| 1085 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:12:14am |
re: #1076 jill e
—CS Lewis
Genius. In weaker moments, among worldly intellectuals when I feel a little defensive about my faith, I think of C.S. Lewis and am very content to be in his crowd.
| 1087 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:13:15am |
re: #1078 realwest
Hey Cato the Elder - I'm keeping as well as I can, thanks for asking!
BTW, did you know that there's a lizard out here who's nicname is "cato"? Is he your younger brother?!
/
Yeah, Junior and I have crossed swords a few times. I keep asking him to specify that we're only distant relations to avoid confusion, but he's stubborn. Can't imagine where he got that...
| 1088 |
redstateredneck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:13:19am |
| 1089 |
John Neverbend Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:13:22am |
A friend sent me the following podcast, embedded in the page for which the link appears below. I was surprised by the accuracy of Kelefa Sanneh's summary which gives as much time to Savage's good points as his bad points. There is a written article which I have yet to read (I don't subscribe to The New Yorker). If nothing else, it rammed home to me the fundamental difference between Savage and his main competitors.
| 1091 |
apachegunner Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:14:03am |
re: #1063 Cato the Elder
And how does a "tax credit" help you buy, say, health insurance if you pay no taxes?
it helps the less fortunate to buy cell phones, flat screen tvs and neat cars.
| 1092 |
Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:14:17am |
re: #1084 Desert Dog
There's very little easier than whipping up resentment against the "rich." I've heard it from people who identify as conservative, not just levelling leftists.
Populism and its resentments are perennial dangers.
| 1093 |
Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:14:27am |
re: #1085 Spenser (with an S)
Genius. In weaker moments, among worldly intellectuals when I feel a little defensive about my faith, I think of C.S. Lewis and am very content to be in his crowd.
Likewise. Have you seen the documentary of this guy with a "theory of Narnia" and his speculation on the hidden underlying meaning of the series?
| 1094 |
jill e Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:15:08am |
re: #1081 Pianobuff
I remember that. What's that from? Mere Christianity? Miracles?
Mere Christianity
| 1095 |
Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:15:11am |
re: #1086 Irish Rose
That's over 100 comments back. Before I joined this thread.
No, I'm not going to go look. I'm going to regard this as more bickering.
| 1096 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:16:01am |
re: #1084 Desert Dog
There is a sinister reason for that as well. If you make someone dependent on you, they seem to vote for you and your party. Give them free stuff, foment anger towards "the rich", and promise more free stuff (paid for by the rich, of course).
2007 tax data...
50% paid 97.11% of taxes.
50% paid 2.99% of taxes.
| 1097 |
DaddyG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:16:34am |
re: #1090 buzzsawmonkey
Trademark problems aside, I'm surprised nobody has started or tried to start a meet-site called "Faithbook."
How about "Twitprayer"? (Maybe I'll think about that some more)
| 1098 |
itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:16:41am |
re: #1033 jcm
An astonishing 43.4 percent of Americans now pay zero or negative federal income taxes. The number of single or jointly-filing "taxpayers" - the word must be applied sparingly - who pay no taxes or receive government handouts has reached 65.6 million, out of a total of 151 million.
This is of course shocking and amazing, but ... count in social security and medicare, and how many of that 43.4 percent go negative again?
| 1099 |
CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:16:42am |
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justabill Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:18:01am |
re: #1027 Cato the Elder
Limerick of the day:
If you think you're insured, you're insane.
You're the source of our shareholders' gain.
If your kid's getting sick
gives our profits a nick
we'll soon teach you the meaning of pain*.*Note: This could also be rendered as payin'. Just sayin'.
I guess its a good thing my insurance covers mental illness...
| 1102 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:18:06am |
re: #1093 Pianobuff
Likewise. Have you seen the documentary of this guy with a "theory of Narnia" and his speculation on the hidden underlying meaning of the series?
No, does he mean the hidden theories about Christianity? Cause they're not so hidden, right? Or some other meanings.
| 1103 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:02am |
re: #1072 NukeAtomrod
Maybe you should have Scotty take a look at the food replicators.
Aye, Captain.
They're full of tribbles.
Nobody knows the tribbles I've seen...
| 1104 |
CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:31am |
re: #932 Irish Rose
Repubicans
An unfortunate typo Miss Rose.
/So just what does a Hawk look like snickering?
| 1105 |
itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:39am |
re: #1027 Cato the Elder
Limerick of the day:
If you think you're insured, you're insane.
You're the source of our shareholders' gain.
If your kid's getting sick
gives our profits a nick
we'll soon teach you the meaning of pain*.*Note: This could also be rendered as payin'. Just sayin'.
Were you raised by Vogons?
/
| 1106 |
VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:44am |
re: #1096 jcm
2007 tax data...
50% paid 97.11% of taxes.
50% paid 2.99% of taxes.
Do you know what that was like during the Clinton years? I can't find a link.
| 1107 |
Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:52am |
re: #1103 Kosh's Shadow
Aye, Captain.
They're full of tribbles.
Nobody knows the tribbles I've seen...
Make no Bones about it
| 1108 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:20:09am |
re: #1102 Spenser (with an S)
No, does he mean the hidden theories about Christianity? Cause they're not so hidden, right? Or some other meanings.
Michael Ward has finally solved the enigma. In Planet Narnia he demonstrates that medieval cosmology, a subject which fascinated Lewis throughout his life, provides the imaginative key to the seven novels. Drawing on the whole range of Lewis's writings (including previously unpublished drafts of the Chronicles), Ward reveals how the Narnia stories were designed to express the characteristics of the seven medieval planets - - Jupiter, Mars, Sol, Luna, Mercury, Venus, and Saturn - - planets which Lewis described as "spiritual symbols of permanent value" and "especially worthwhile in our own generation". Using these seven symbols, Lewis secretly constructed the Chronicles so that in each book the plot-line, the ornamental details, and, most important, the portrayal of the Christ-figure of Aslan, all serve to communicate the governing planetary personality. The cosmological theme of each Chronicle is what Lewis called 'the kappa element in romance', the atmospheric essence of a story, everywhere present but nowhere explicit. The reader inhabits this atmosphere and thus imaginatively gains connaitre knowledge of the spiritual character which the tale was created to embody.Planet Narnia is a ground-breaking study that will provoke a major revaluation not only of the Chronicles, but of Lewis's whole literary and theological outlook. Ward uncovers a much subtler writer and thinker than has previously been recognized, whose central interests were hiddenness, immanence, and knowledge by acquaintance.
| 1109 |
Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:20:11am |
re: #1102 Spenser (with an S)
No, does he mean the hidden theories about Christianity? Cause they're not so hidden, right? Or some other meanings.
Other meanings. How best to put it without spoiling it...The documentarist claims each book is a variation on a common motif. I'll say that it's not related to theology but will stop there.
| 1110 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:20:25am |
re: #1086 Irish Rose
The word "progressive" has become the new right-wing attack word.
Hardcore wingers like Walter hurl it at anyone who has the audacity to disagree with them, no matter who they are...
If being a progressive isn't a bad thing, then this should not be an effective tactic.
| 1111 |
DaddyG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:20:53am |
re: #1103 Kosh's Shadow
Aye, Captain.
They're full of tribbles.
Nobody knows the tribbles I've seen...
I c'not help ya capt'n. I'm up to my neck in wriggling furry balls!
| 1112 |
Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:21:00am |
re: #1108 jcm
Well now, I was trying not to give it away and there ya go...
| 1113 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:21:03am |
re: #1106 VioletTiger
Do you know what that was like during the Clinton years? I can't find a link.
SOI Tax Stats - Individual Statistical Tables by Tax Rate and Income Percentile
| 1114 |
CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:21:19am |
re: #1099 CyanSnowHawk
Oh great, now their going to make Meremaids cover their boobs?
Their? THEIR?
PIMF DAMMIT!
| 1115 |
itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:21:19am |
re: #1106 VioletTiger
Do you know what that was like during the Clinton years? I can't find a link.
A percent or three less extreme, the big shifts occurred during the Reagan years.
| 1117 |
Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:21:45am |
re: #780 Occasional Reader
With authority, eh. Look, Walter was clearly making a generalization, and as the saying goes, all generalizations are false, including this one. Yes, there are exceptions, blah blah blah. Why start a pissing match over it?
Because an unchallenged generalization too often becomes accepted as fact, and the jumping off point for still worse generalizations.
| 1118 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:22:07am |
re: #1103 Kosh's Shadow
Aye, Captain.
They're full of tribbles.
Nobody knows the tribbles I've seen...
What the quadrotriticale are you talking about?
| 1119 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:22:11am |
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:22:44am |
re: #1086 Irish Rose
See #932
There is some pointed jabs about Progressive here lately, but that is normal. Tossing out the word "conservative" or "right-wing" by someone on the left also carries a negative connotation for them. That's politics, yes?
| 1121 |
VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:22:46am |
re: #1113 jcm
SOI Tax Stats - Individual Statistical Tables by Tax Rate and Income Percentile
Of course, duh, I never thought to look there.
| 1123 |
CIA Reject Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:23:50am |
re: #1115 itellu3times
A percent or three less extreme, the big shifts occurred during the Reagan years.
...when the bullsh*t "Tax Cuts for the Rich!" mantra got it's start. Boy that is irony so thick you could cut it with a chain saw...
| 1124 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:24:24am |
re: #1120 Desert Dog
There is some pointed jabs about Progressive here lately, but that is normal. Tossing out the word "conservative" or "right-wing" by someone on the left also carries a negative connotation for them. That's politics, yes?
it's only appropriate to capitalize 'conservative' out of fairness...somebody could get ruffled you know
| 1125 |
itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:24:35am |
re: #1113 jcm
SOI Tax Stats - Individual Statistical Tables by Tax Rate and Income Percentile
Whoa! TMI. How long has that stuff been available? I recall looking for the like a few years back, without success.
Many thanks!
| 1126 |
DaddyG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:24:38am |
Instead of debating labels why don't we agree to call each other "esteemed dumbass colleagues"? It has sort of a Senatorial feel. /
| 1127 |
Kenneth Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:24:45am |
re: #1110 NukeAtomrod
Is the term "progressive" the new "neocon"? A term adopted by a few as a badge, & flung at the many as a slur?
| 1129 |
eschew_obfuscation Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:25:01am |
re: #1110 NukeAtomrod
If being a progressive isn't a bad thing, then this should not be an effective tactic.
It seems that the left can't figure out what it wants to be called.
First "liberal" is an "attack" word, so they start referring to themselves as "progressive" to get away from the "attack".
Now "progressive" is an "attack" word.
What's next? "Superior"?
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:25:08am |
re: #1110 NukeAtomrod
If being a progressive isn't a bad thing, then this should not be an effective tactic.
I don't see the problem with the use of the word Progressive. Isn't it the left that started using the term?
| 1132 |
Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:26:00am |
re: #1124 albusteve
it's only appropriate to capitalize 'conservative' out of fairness...somebody could get ruffled you know
Sorry About That, I Did Not Mean To Hurt Your Feelings...
;-)
| 1133 |
johnnyreb Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:26:20am |
re: #1115 itellu3times
A percent or three less extreme, the big shifts occurred during the Reagan years.
I suspect it will change once again when the Bush tax cuts are left to expire.
| 1134 |
DaddyG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:26:30am |
re: #1129 eschew_obfuscation
It seems that the left can't figure out what it wants to be called.
First "liberal" is an "attack" word, so they start referring to themselves as "progressive" to get away from the "attack".
Now "progressive" is an "attack" word.
What's next? "Superior"?
Ubermench.
| 1135 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:26:38am |
re: #1093 Pianobuff
Likewise. Have you seen the documentary of this guy with a "theory of Narnia" and his speculation on the hidden underlying meaning of the series?
His meaning was very much on the surface. Evil doesn't go away by ignoring it, good Christians confront and destroy it. I can see why some people find that a disturbing message, especially if they want to commit evil acts and don't want to be confronted.
| 1136 |
CIA Reject Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:26:39am |
| 1137 |
Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:27:02am |
re: #1129 eschew_obfuscation
It seems that the left can't figure out what it wants to be called.
First "liberal" is an "attack" word, so they start referring to themselves as "progressive" to get away from the "attack".
Now "progressive" is an "attack" word.
What's next? "Superior"?
I prefer: WRONG
The wrong ideology at the wrong time in the wrong place with the wrong people in charge...but, besides that, they are all very nice people.
| 1138 |
apachegunner Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:27:15am |
re: #1130 WinterCat
I don't see the problem with the use of the word Progressive. Isn't it the left that started using the term?
HC is the one that started that back during the campaign
| 1139 |
WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:27:30am |
re: #1128 buzzsawmonkey
What I find odd about Lewis's Narnia is that while it is designed as an introduction to Christianity, it relies to a great degree on classical pagan figures like fauns, satyrs, dryads, Bacchus, etc.
Of course this may merely reflect the familiarity with Greco-Roman culture which is an adjunct of traditional British public-school education.
Aren't all of these creatures subordinate to the Christ figure in the story though?
| 1140 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:27:43am |
re: #1127 Kenneth
Is the term "progressive" the new "neocon"? A term adopted by a few as a badge, & flung at the many as a slur?
Beats me. Maybe Irish has some insight?
| 1141 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:28:17am |
| 1142 |
jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:28:25am |
re: #1128 buzzsawmonkey
What I find odd about Lewis's Narnia is that while it is designed as an introduction to Christianity, it relies to a great degree on classical pagan figures like fauns, satyrs, dryads, Bacchus, etc.
Of course this may merely reflect the familiarity with Greco-Roman culture which is an adjunct of traditional British public-school education.
Lewis didn't shy away from all influences on modern culture and religion. While Christian, his was comfortable with the idea that the Christian narrative was informed and incorporated the narratives from many sources. Our culture is built on Greco-Roman, and this has many influences on Christianity.
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Kenneth Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:28:27am |
Re: "Progressive", see my post
re: #1035 Kenneth
It's not a slur. It a recognized political term over a century old. And like all political terms, the meaning has changed over time.
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John Neverbend Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:28:40am |
re: #1090 buzzsawmonkey
Trademark problems aside, I'm surprised nobody has started or tried to start a meet-site called "Faithbook."
See [Link: www.faithbook.com...] and also [Link: www.facebook.com...]
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itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:29:17am |
re: #1123 CIA Reject
...when the bullsh*t "Tax Cuts for the Rich!" mantra got it's start. Boy that is irony so thick you could cut it with a chain saw...
Yessir.
Which is why, I suppose, we must tax the poor more heavily. Seriously. That is, after merging in the regressive SSN. Then we can reduce their overall burden, but more of it should be the kind of "discretionary" taxation that the politicians know and love and the IRS enforces.
OTOH, I don't much like the increasingly uneven distribution of incomes (before tax). Don't like it at all.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:29:29am |
re: #1119 Kosh's Shadow
Is this going to Spock a Star Trek pun thread?
We do believe in free Enterprise here.
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:29:29am |
re: #1138 apachegunner
HC is the one that started that back during the campaign
I actually think that I have heard that term being used for quite awhile by my liberal friends in reference to themselves.
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Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:29:39am |
re: #1128 buzzsawmonkey
What I find odd about Lewis's Narnia is that while it is designed as an introduction to Christianity, it relies to a great degree on classical pagan figures like fauns, satyrs, dryads, Bacchus, etc.
Of course this may merely reflect the familiarity with Greco-Roman culture which is an adjunct of traditional British public-school education.
Lewis had a deep affinity for legend, fantasy, etc. In fact, one of the earliest literary influences on him that led to his coming to faith was George MacDonald, another Christian author who specialized in fantasy.
Somewhere in one of his volumes (part of God in the Dock, maybe?) he has an essay relating legend to Christology. He holds a different view than many, but I suspect his expertise and affection for older literature was a strong influence.
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John Neverbend Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:29:56am |
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apachegunner Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:30:04am |
re: #1147 WinterCat
I actually think that I have heard that term being used for quite awhile by my liberal friends in reference to themselves.
ha, amazing your friends would admit such a thing
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:30:30am |
Hal Turner update: North Bergen blogger accused of threatening federal judges is held without bail
Hal Turner, 47, of North Bergen, N.J., represents too great a danger to the community to be freed from custody, U.S. Magistrate Judge Martin C. Ashman said.
...
Turner called the judges "scum" and said "their blood will replenish the tree of liberty."His attorneys say he never advocated the judges' murder but merely gave his opinion, which was constitutionally protected free speech.
At the hearing, prosecutors acknowledged that for several years Turner was a paid FBI informant, saying in a letter to his lawyers he had supplied information on "right-wing white nationalist and white supremacist groups."
Turner turned a .22-caliber silencer kit sent to him over to the FBI in July 2007, saying it was "the perfect item for an assassin."
He also e-mailed agents in November 2007 with word that Ku Klux Klan members were planning an arson at Middle Tennessee State University because a student there had been "willfully antagonizing folks in the pro-white movement."
Odd.
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albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:30:58am |
the wide open spaces of New Mexico beckons...
I heed the call...
road trip
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CIA Reject Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:31:06am |
re: #1143 Kenneth
Re: "Progressive", see my post
It's not a slur. It a recognized political term over a century old. And like all political terms, the meaning has changed over time.
I'll say. Teddy Roosevelt was one of the original "Progressives" and I shudder to think what he'd do to some of those who claim that title today.
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NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:31:34am |
re: #1137 Desert Dog
I prefer: WRONG
The wrong ideology at the wrong time in the wrong place with the wrong people in charge...but, besides that, they are all very nice people.
LOL Somehow, I don't think they'll be adopting that label anytime soon.
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Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:31:50am |
re: #1135 NukeAtomrod
His meaning was very much on the surface. Evil doesn't go away by ignoring it, good Christians confront and destroy it. I can see why some people find that a disturbing message, especially if they want to commit evil acts and don't want to be confronted.
See 1108 and 1109. No dispute with your statements, though.
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:31:58am |
re: #1150 apachegunner
ha, amazing your friends would admit such a thing
Well, the specific instances that I recall were taking place several years prior to this election. I took them to just be adopting a new name when they didn't want to be painted as liberals anymore because at the time, it was getting to mean more than they wanted it to.
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realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:32:14am |
Well y'all I gotta go now. Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you down the road!
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Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:32:27am |
re: #1145 itellu3times
I haven't read too much about any increases in income inequality?
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apachegunner Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:32:32am |
re: #1157 WinterCat
Well, the specific instances that I recall were taking place several years prior to this election. I took them to just be adopting a new name when they didn't want to be painted as liberals anymore because at the time, it was getting to mean more than they wanted it to.
I understand
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:32:39am |
re: #1141 JamesTKirk
Kosh who? Gesundeit.
That's Vorlons.
The Vogons are the stuffy bureaucrats who don't like hitch-hikers, and read them their terrible poetry before throwing them out an airlock.
Perhaps your babelfish needs adjustment.
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jill e Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:32:47am |
re: #1139 WinterCat
Aren't all of these creatures subordinate to the Christ figure in the story though?
Lewis, like Tolkien, believed that the myths people make still contain truth, because human, though flawed are still creatures whose origins are in historical Truth.
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itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:32:48am |
re: #1133 johnnyreb
I suspect it will change once again when the Bush tax cuts are left to expire.
There are two factors, one is the tax rates that will change, the other is the distribution of (pre-tax) income, that with the recession, is probably going the other way. The net result is liable to be very small change, a little unicorn you can hold in your hand.
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redstateredneck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:33:25am |
re: #1129 eschew_obfuscation
It seems that the left can't figure out what it wants to be called.
First "liberal" is an "attack" word, so they start referring to themselves as "progressive" to get away from the "attack".
Now "progressive" is an "attack" word.
What's next? "Superior"?
Don't give them any ideas.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:33:38am |
re: #1161 Kosh's Shadow
That's Vorlons.
The Vogons are the stuffy bureaucrats who don't like hitch-hikers, and read them their terrible poetry before throwing them out an airlock.
Perhaps your babelfish needs adjustment.
I don't have a universal translator in a cheap pin on my chest like some froggy starship captains.
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:34:13am |
re: #1143 Kenneth
Re: "Progressive", see my post
It's not a slur. It a recognized political term over a century old. And like all political terms, the meaning has changed over time.
The "Progressives" of today have nothing to do with the "Progressives" of the late 1800 and early 1900's. Nothing. The only similarity is the name. Progressives are just liberals with a new name. To say otherwise is quite disingenuous. Liberal became a "negative" word during the Reagan era and a new name was brought in to deflect that.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:34:14am |
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John Neverbend Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:34:37am |
re: #1161 Kosh's Shadow
That's Vorlons.
The Vogons are the stuffy bureaucrats who don't like hitch-hikers, and read them their terrible poetry before throwing them out an airlock.
Perhaps your babelfish needs adjustment.
Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz is your man.
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DaddyG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:34:46am |
Labels don't create or change reality but they can influence people's perceptions. So I ask; what are you trying to sell me?
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Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:34:58am |
re: #1151 Killgore Trout
Interesting!
Both ends against the middle? Or the whole blow-up was a way to get him under protection?
No, I'm thinking as if life were a novel. The guy's just a loon, probably.
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CIA Reject Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:35:01am |
re: #1145 itellu3times
"If you want less of something tax it, if you want more of something subsidize it." So let's raise taxes on successful business people and give rebates to people who make less than some arbitrary, magic amount.
/What could possibly go wrong?
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John Neverbend Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:35:08am |
re: #1166 JamesTKirk
I don't have a universal translator in a cheap pin on my chest like some froggy starship captains.
And he's not even French.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:35:12am |
re: #1167 Desert Dog
The "Progressives" of today have nothing to do with the "Progressives" of the late 1800 and early 1900's. Nothing. The only similarity is the name. Progressives are just liberals with a new name. To say otherwise is quite disingenuous. Liberal became a "negative" word during the Reagan era and a new name was brought in to deflect that.
And before that, the socialists appropriated the word "liberal", and used that in a manner far different from its historical context.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:35:22am |
If Obama is the the joker then who's Batman?
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:35:35am |
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Kenneth Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:35:46am |
re: #1153 CIA Reject
You can find plenty of leftists, Marxists and Socialists at DU, The Nation or other left wing websites proudly using the term "Progressive" to label their ideology. "Socialism" sounds sooo dated, but "Progressive" is baked fresh every morning. The big switch to "Progressive" happened in the early 1990's after the fall of the USSR. Different label, same shit.
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:36:02am |
re: #1151 Killgore Trout
I posted about that yesterday in the spinoffs. Turner's accused of threatening three federal judges in the Chicago area including Richard Posner. He's also facing similar charges in CT, courtesy of spewing his incitement to violence on his online radio "talk" show.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:36:06am |
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:36:33am |
re: #1175 Killgore Trout
If Obama is the the joker then who's Batman?
I have a name for my pain... and it is... Luap Nor.
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redstateredneck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:36:36am |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:36:55am |
re: #1171 Dianna
I have no idea what to make of it. Maybe he was just a scum recruited as informant. hew possibly thought it would give him some protection if he ever got busted. Strange story.
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:37:20am |
re: #1154 buzzsawmonkey
Yes--but these figures are part of a cosmology which Christianity in theory rendered null and void.
There are three reasons I can think of for incorporating them: first, their familiarity, as I speculated above; second, the fact that using this pre-existing fantasy world made it unnecessary for Lewis to invent one out of whole cloth; third, that he recognized the ongoing attractions of paganism and decided to use them to his advantage.
I think you are on target with this assessment. Showing the pagan archetypes in submission demonstrated the innate superiority of Christianity over paganism.
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John Neverbend Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:37:23am |
re: #1164 buzzsawmonkey
Well, ain't I behind the curve, though.
No. I would never have thought of looking for such a site, if you had not mentioned it. I have at times referred to Facebook as Fartbook and I'm fairly sure there isn't yet a website devoted to social networking for the flatulent.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:37:35am |
re: #1179 lawhawk
It's a very strange story.
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Buck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:37:38am |
re: #1047 MJ
This should be a thread... I need to know... was this in the works under Bush?
Is this an pure OBAMA administration BS move?
UPDINGED you.
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Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:38:19am |
re: #1176 JamesTKirk
I didn't actually think the earlier dip in the gutter was all that amusing, so I beg you to excuse me.
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:38:28am |
re: #1170 DaddyG
Labels don't create or change reality but they can influence people's perceptions. So I ask; what are you trying to sell me?
Who are you asking?
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itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:38:38am |
re: #1159 Dianna
I haven't read too much about any increases in income inequality?
Oh dear. Well, it's been a favorite topic of Thomas Sowell for many years, he tries to debunk the idea that the rich are getting richer at the expense of the poor. Suggests those with low incomes in any year, are more often middle-class or better taking some time off, or just having a short-term setback, in either case are not actually starving.
But the trends definitely are for the top few percent to be receiving more and more of the total income. I'm afraid Mr. Sowell is a bit too optimistic on this (and I've had the honor of arguing it with him a bit by email).
I'm sure you can google up plenty on it, I dont have any ilnks handy.
(and of course people like Rush think the distribution is just dandy and proof of the virtue of the winners. I disagree, strongly)
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apachegunner Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:39:18am |
where is that magnicicant bastard Rove? He could get us out of this I bet.
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DaddyG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:39:26am |
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:39:31am |
re: #1169 John Neverbend
Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz is your man.
Who needs him when there is a Vogon poetry generator on the Web?
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Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:39:31am |
re: #1175 Killgore Trout
I'm sorry, but no politician can possibly fill the armor of the ultimate bad-ass normal.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:39:43am |
re: #692 realwest
I had no answer cause except for Congnito, I don't recall a Left winger ever being banned.
You are wrong.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:39:46am |
re: #1185 John Neverbend
No. I would never have thought of looking for such a site, if you had not mentioned it. I have at times referred to Facebook as Fartbook and I'm fairly sure there isn't yet a website devoted to social networking for the flatulent.
I'm not planning on being the one to look for it, but I'd bet money that you were wrong. Call it a penumbra of Rule 34.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:40:10am |
re: #1190 itellu3times
Do the trends show anything for the aggregate income across all brackets? I tend to agree with Rush in that economics is not a zero-sum game. The rich do not necessarily get richer at the expense of the poor.
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apachegunner Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:40:34am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:40:36am |
re: #1188 Dianna
I didn't actually think the earlier dip in the gutter was all that amusing, so I beg you to excuse me.
Thou art excused.
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itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:40:42am |
re: #1172 CIA Reject
"If you want less of something tax it, if you want more of something subsidize it." So let's raise taxes on successful business people and give rebates to people who make less than some arbitrary, magic amount.
/What could possibly go wrong?
I'd tax Raquel Welch.
And I'm afraid she'd tax me.
/Monty Python c. 1975
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Kenneth Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:41:13am |
re: #1167 Desert Dog
The "Progressives" of today have nothing to do with the "Progressives" of the late 1800 and early 1900's. Nothing. The only similarity is the name. Progressives are just liberals with a new name. To say otherwise is quite disingenuous. Liberal became a "negative" word during the Reagan era and a new name was brought in to deflect that.
Yes and no.
Yes, the Progressives of today are not the same as 100 years ago.
No, they are not "liberals". The people I have read using the term "progressive" are socialists, Marxists and other leftists. Liberalism is a Centrist position (ie. the Liberal Party of Canada). Progressives are decidedly to the Left.
| 1203 |
Irish Rose Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:41:16am |
The mean-spiritedness on these threads is dragging me down, and making my blood pressure spike. LGF has ceased to become a pleasant place to post, thanks to the actions of a few self-serving assholes.
I'm taking a break from this place, not sure when I'll be back.
Have fun.
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NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:41:27am |
re: #1156 Pianobuff
See 1108 and 1109. No dispute with your statements, though.
Interesting... but I wonder how much of the analysis is of what Lewis intended and how much has been invented by Michael Ward in attempt to legitimize Narnia as a literary work. I've attempted some writing myself and even took a class offered by a famous author, and in my opinion, the work of creating even one coherent novel with an engaging story-line is a herculean task on its own. To then be able to weave in a complicated secret message seems very unlikely.
| 1205 |
Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:41:39am |
re: #1183 Killgore Trout
I have no idea what to make of it. Maybe he was just a scum recruited as informant. hew possibly thought it would give him some protection if he ever got busted. Strange story.
You could be right. Or he could be as contradictory as a lot of folks we know in private life.
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:42:03am |
re: #1186 Killgore Trout
I wouldn't call it strange. Turner has a reputation for assailing judges that decide against the way he deems proper. His rants cross the line from speech to incitement to violence. FBI investigators found illegal ammo in his home in NJ, in addition to 3 handguns and a shotgun. Hollow point ammo is illegal to be owned by someone not in law enforcement (according to the report).
He specifically encouraged people to take up arms against Judges Easterbrook, Posner, and Bauer of the Sixth Circuit because of their ruling on upholding a handgun ban in certain communities in Illinois.
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Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:43:42am |
re: #1154 buzzsawmonkey
Yes--but these figures are part of a cosmology which Christianity in theory rendered null and void.
There are three reasons I can think of for incorporating them: first, their familiarity, as I speculated above; second, the fact that using this pre-existing fantasy world made it unnecessary for Lewis to invent one out of whole cloth; third, that he recognized the ongoing attractions of paganism and decided to use them to his advantage.
I think one's conclusions are a function of what they believe Narnia is in the first place. You mentioned earlier that Narnia was an introduction to Christianity. "A children's fantasy that is compatible with Christian themes" is a somewhat more accurate description in my opinion.
Lewis was extremely fond of fantasy. In many ways, Narnia mimics the "fantasy meets Christian themes" style of George MacDonald. See Phantastes, Lilith or any other number of his works for comparisons.
My opinion is that Lewis had no special strategy. He wrote that way because of his love for and knowledge of myth and fantasy. It's as much of a tribute to the style and labor of love in that sense.
Having said that, Lewis writes a little about this in a charming essay "Myth Became Fact", in which he shares his particular view that myths are foreshadowings of "the real thing".
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avanti Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:43:57am |
re: #1203 Irish Rose
The mean-spiritedness on these threads is dragging me down, and making my blood pressure spike. LGF has ceased to become a pleasant place to post, thanks to the actions of a few self-serving assholes.
I'm taking a break from this place, not sure when I'll be back.
Have fun.
Rose, sometimes I just set back and let a few Lizards blow off some steam, after that, it seems to calm down and gets back to normal discussion.
| 1211 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:44:20am |
re: #1203 Irish Rose
The mean-spiritedness on these threads is dragging me down, and making my blood pressure spike. LGF has ceased to become a pleasant place to post, thanks to the actions of a few self-serving assholes.
I'm taking a break from this place, not sure when I'll be back.
Have fun.
Sorry you feel that way. Me, I'd rather stand up to "assholes" blood pressure be damned
Seemed to have worked very well so far throughout the history if this country (and all others, btw). As a history buff, I've seen that if you do NOT stand up to "assholes", you'll soon be at their boots!
Your voice will be missed
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MJ Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:45:18am |
re: #1187 Buck
This should be a thread... I need to know... was this in the works under Bush?
Is this an pure OBAMA administration BS move?
UPDINGED you.
Pure Obama. Obama's good buddy, Jew-hater Samantha Power picked her:
Who really selected Mary Robinson for the Presidential Medal of Freedom?
Ed Lasky
President Barack Obama's decision to bestow the Presidential Medal of Freedom on Mary Robinson, who headed a United Nation Commission that condoned suicide bombing against Israelis and who also was in charge of the Durban Conference Against Racism that became an anti-Semitic hate-fest reminiscent of Nazi Germany (and that the Unites States and Israel boycotted, to Robinson's consternation), has elicited some measure of controversy.Jennifer Rubin at Commentary has been doing outstanding work detailing the history of Robinson; columnist Melanie Phillips has also responded while Eric Fingerhut of the Jewish Telegraphic Agency has tried to minimize the controversy (as is the wont of the JTA whenever a Democrat seems to take actions that would strike many Jews as offensive). This treatment by Fingerhut is especially striking because leading Jewish Democrats have been highly critical of Robinson in the recent past: these figures include Richard Holbrooke who currently serves in the Obama administration and the late Congressman Tom Lantos, who was revered among Jews in America for his moral rectitude and the respect his views commanded as the only Holocaust survivor to have served in the American Congress).
Speculation has arisen regarding the choosing of Robinson and her vetting. Jennifer Rubin asked the White House to explain the process and she was stonewalled (so much for transparency and openness) . Tevi Troy speculates that Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod might be the responsible parties.
I have another candidate in mind (a hat tip to Richard Baehr for the thought): Samantha Power...
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]
| 1213 |
StillAMarine Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:45:18am |
re: #1126 DaddyG
Or, do as the Canadians do, and call each other, "Honorable," as in, "The Honorable Member from Edmonton East." Then one could only guess if "honorable" meant the same thing as it did in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, where calling someone an honorable man could just be the height of sarcasm.
| 1214 |
Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:45:34am |
re: #1190 itellu3times
The hell with Rush Limbaugh - I'm starting to wonder if the man is rather like god (being required to invent one if one didn't exist)!
My personal opinion is, having gone from one year in which I made (gulp!) $10,300 to the next year, in which I made $19,700, that hard work and a steady income change everything, if you've got half a brain and some self-discipline.
| 1215 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:45:38am |
re: #1175 Killgore Trout
If Obama is the the joker then who's Batman?
George W. Bush, actually. At least that how I interpreted the end of The Dark Knight.
| 1216 |
vxbush Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:46:10am |
re: #1209 Pianobuff
I think one's conclusions are a function of what they believe Narnia is in the first place. You mentioned earlier that Narnia was an introduction to Christianity. "A children's fantasy that is compatible with Christian themes" is a somewhat more accurate description in my opinion.
Lewis was extremely fond of fantasy. In many ways, Narnia mimics the "fantasy meets Christian themes" style of George MacDonald. See Phantastes, Lilith or any other number of his works for comparisons.
My opinion is that Lewis had no special strategy. He wrote that way because of his love for and knowledge of myth and fantasy. It's as much of a tribute to the style and labor of love in that sense.
Having said that, Lewis writes a little about this in a charming essay "Myth Became Fact", in which he shares his particular view that myths are foreshadowings of "the real thing".
Excellent. No disrespect to all the folks who have analyzed Lewis and found all these themes, but I am more drawn to your conclusion than I am any other. He was very capable of writing serious fiction and he was well grounded in numerous myths. But I see the Narnian Chronicles as those where he wrote for fun and for love of the story.
| 1217 |
itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:46:16am |
re: #1198 thedopefishlives
Do the trends show anything for the aggregate income across all brackets? I tend to agree with Rush in that economics is not a zero-sum game. The rich do not necessarily get richer at the expense of the poor.
It's ... complicated.
If the pot gets bigger by 4%, and the top earners get 3% and the bottom 99% of earners share the remaining 1%, nobody has *lost*, but is it fair?
My complaints are much more at the microeconomic level, where in the typical VC startup, the money guys and the top two or three organizers take 99% of the profits, typical pattern. This was NOT the pattern that Microsoft grew up with, this dysfunctional pattern emerged in the bubble years.
And again, has been further exemplified by the big f'ing finance guys who have so screwed things up recently.
| 1218 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:46:53am |
re: #1203 Irish Rose
Try not to let it get you down.
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Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:47:04am |
re: #1204 NukeAtomrod
Interesting... but I wonder how much of the analysis is of what Lewis intended and how much has been invented by Michael Ward in attempt to legitimize Narnia as a literary work. I've attempted some writing myself and even took a class offered by a famous author, and in my opinion, the work of creating even one coherent novel with an engaging story-line is a herculean task on its own. To then be able to weave in a complicated secret message seems very unlikely.
I haven't a clue to be honest. It's just some fun, idle speculation by one guy who had the time and curiosity to inquire.
Unless some new works, letters, writings etc. of Lewis's are unearthed indicating one way or another we'll never know.
| 1221 |
itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:48:06am |
re: #1202 Kenneth
Yes and no.
Yes, the Progressives of today are not the same as 100 years ago.
No, they are not "liberals". The people I have read using the term "progressive" are socialists, Marxists and other leftists. Liberalism is a Centrist position (ie. the Liberal Party of Canada). Progressives are decidedly to the Left.
I believe the turnover of the term "liberal", and probably "progressive", actually was more like 100 years ago. I forget the context - reading about the Woodrow Wilson age, I think.
| 1222 |
Racer X Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:48:52am |
I get the feeling Charles is putting on his lion-tamer outfit, and grabbing a whip and a chair.
| 1223 |
Kenneth Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:49:04am |
re: #1204 NukeAtomrod
Lewis knew what he was doing. Narnia is a Christian allegory of the battle between good and evil. Aslan, the Lion, is described thus "He is frightening... but He is good!"
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:49:09am |
re: #1213 StillAMarine
Or, do as the Canadians do, and call each other, "Honorable," as in, "The Honorable Member from Edmonton East." Then one could only guess if "honorable" meant the same thing as it did in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, where calling someone an honorable man could just be the height of sarcasm.
| 1226 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:49:25am |
re: #1217 itellu3times
It's ... complicated.
If the pot gets bigger by 4%, and the top earners get 3% and the bottom 99% of earners share the remaining 1%, nobody has *lost*, but is it fair?
My complaints are much more at the microeconomic level, where in the typical VC startup, the money guys and the top two or three organizers take 99% of the profits, typical pattern. This was NOT the pattern that Microsoft grew up with, this dysfunctional pattern emerged in the bubble years.
And again, has been further exemplified by the big f'ing finance guys who have so screwed things up recently.
I'll see how this goes with my large number of stock options (large to me) at a very low price, in the company I work for, when I actually get vested and the company goes public or is bought.
I'm not expecting much; I will admit.
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johnnyreb Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:49:29am |
re: #1207 lawhawk
I wouldn't call it strange. Turner has a reputation for assailing judges that decide against the way he deems proper. His rants cross the line from speech to incitement to violence. FBI investigators found illegal ammo in his home in NJ, in addition to 3 handguns and a shotgun. Hollow point ammo is illegal to be owned by someone not in law enforcement (according to the report).
He specifically encouraged people to take up arms against Judges Easterbrook, Posner, and Bauer of the Sixth Circuit because of their ruling on upholding a handgun ban in certain communities in Illinois.
I think hollow point ammo is only illegal in NJ, you can buy it in any state I have ever been in. They have some seriously quirky gun laws there.
| 1228 |
yochanan Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:49:36am |
the zero's idea of free speech the SEIU WAY
"I don't want the folks who created the mess do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking."
| 1229 |
StillAMarine Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:49:43am |
re: #1172 CIA Reject
Certainly, if you want more of something subsidize it. Just when President Johnson proved with his War on Poverty. Invest in poverty and you get more poverty. Democrats never understood and still do not understand the Law of Unintended Consequences.
| 1230 |
Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:50:09am |
re: #1222 Racer X
I get the feeling Charles is putting on his lion-tamer outfit, and grabbing a whip and a chair.
Oooo! I'm not sure I should be entertaining this image, given that I'm in a serious relationship.
| 1231 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:50:19am |
| 1232 |
Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:50:20am |
re: #1202 Kenneth
Yes and no.
Yes, the Progressives of today are not the same as 100 years ago.
No, they are not "liberals". The people I have read using the term "progressive" are socialists, Marxists and other leftists. Liberalism is a Centrist position (ie. the Liberal Party of Canada). Progressives are decidedly to the Left.
The Original "Progressive Party" was a result of split within the Republican Party. The party and movement later morphed into another thing led by Robert LaFollette in the 1920's as a reformist movement...mostly against the toll industrialization had taken against the formerly rural populace. Child labor laws, work place safety, etc. Once the two major parties started adopting many of the platform ideas from the party, it fell by the wayside.
What a "progressive" is today is a Democrat on the left side of the party that used to be called "liberal". To say there is some kind of line from the Bull Moosers of the 1910's to today's left wing of the Democrat party is not accurate. They just took the name 'cause it sounds cool (IMHO)
| 1233 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:50:48am |
re: #1230 Dianna
Oooo! I'm not sure I should be entertaining this image, given that I'm in a serious relationship.
Now who's in the gutter? ;)
| 1234 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:52:03am |
re: #1223 Kenneth
Lewis knew what he was doing. Narnia is a Christian allegory of the battle between good and evil. Aslan, the Lion, is described thus "He is frightening... but He is good!"
No question about that. Read 1108 and 1109 to see what I'm referring to.
| 1236 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:52:35am |
re: #1225 buzzsawmonkey
The one thing in the Narnia books that disturbs me slightly is the depiction of the dwarves in "The Last Battle."
Lewis, by all accounts, was no antisemite (that alone being noteworthy among British writers of his class and time) and was married to a Jewish woman. Yet his depiction of the dwarves in "The Last Battle" as figures who reject the Christ-figure Aslan and who thereby remain bound in their stable is uncomfortably reminiscent of Wagner's use of dwarves in the Ring Cycle to stand in for Jews.
Interesting, but then, I haven't read much Lewis.
Was Tolkein antisemitic? Somehow, the Nazgul don't fit the stereotype.
How many Rings did the Elders of Zion get? I guess an antisemite would have them stealing them or tricking the rightful owners into giving them up.
| 1237 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:52:38am |
re: #1225 buzzsawmonkey
The one thing in the Narnia books that disturbs me slightly is the depiction of the dwarves in "The Last Battle."
Lewis, by all accounts, was no antisemite (that alone being noteworthy among British writers of his class and time) and was married to a Jewish woman. Yet his depiction of the dwarves in "The Last Battle" as figures who reject the Christ-figure Aslan and who thereby remain bound in their stable is uncomfortably reminiscent of Wagner's use of dwarves in the Ring Cycle to stand in for Jews.
Actually, based on the reading of the text, I would've said Lewis was using them as a stand-in for atheistic thought. "The dwarves are for the dwarves" and all that rot.
| 1238 |
avanti Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:52:57am |
re: #1217 itellu3times
It's ... complicated.
If the pot gets bigger by 4%, and the top earners get 3% and the bottom 99% of earners share the remaining 1%, nobody has *lost*, but is it fair?
My complaints are much more at the microeconomic level, where in the typical VC startup, the money guys and the top two or three organizers take 99% of the profits, typical pattern. This was NOT the pattern that Microsoft grew up with, this dysfunctional pattern emerged in the bubble years.
And again, has been further exemplified by the big f'ing finance guys who have so screwed things up recently.
I was a commissioned salesman at one time, and made mad money on my 6% commission while helping the company make a bigger share, so I have mixed emotions on some compemsation issues.
When I see folks defending 100 million dollar bonuses for guys that make it off middle income IRA's I have to think back to the time when I was making 4 times what the truck drivers that delivered my sales did, but I still have mixed feelings.
| 1239 |
SlartyBartfast Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:53:08am |
re: #1229 StillAMarine
Certainly, if you want more of something subsidize it. Just when President Johnson proved with his War on Poverty. Invest in poverty and you get more poverty.
Nice. Can I borrow that?
| 1240 |
Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:53:16am |
re: #1236 Kosh's Shadow
T.S. Eliot and Dorothy Sayers were both casual anti-semites.
| 1241 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:53:23am |
Is this where it's coming to? People who've been here for years are suddenly going to claim that I've "never banned a leftist?"
I've been checking out some of the people who seem to have LGF accounts only to stealth down-ding reasonable posters -- or me. Time after time, I've seen these people go to threads that are no longer active, and go through the whole thread dinging down any comment that isn't rabidly right wing, or that criticizes anyone on the right wing.
So far 4 people are out of here, and three of them also had more than one sock puppet registered.
These games are going to stop.
| 1242 |
Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:53:29am |
| 1243 |
justabill Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:53:29am |
re: #1202 Kenneth
Yes and no.
Yes, the Progressives of today are not the same as 100 years ago.
No, they are not "liberals". The people I have read using the term "progressive" are socialists, Marxists and other leftists. Liberalism is a Centrist position (ie. the Liberal Party of Canada). Progressives are decidedly to the Left.
I suspect what really happened is the Socialist/Communists took to calling themselves "Liberal" because of the negative connotations with "Socialism/Communism". After a while, people caught on to what was really happening. So, these same folks (and their like minded descendent's) began calling themselves progressives.
I still like the term "Classic Liberal", and consider myself mostly a "Classic Liberal". This refers to many of the US Founders Values, things like Limited Govt, Free Market Economics ect, and is probably closet to somewhere between Libertarianism and modern Conservatism.
| 1244 |
itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:53:35am |
re: #1214 Dianna
The hell with Rush Limbaugh - I'm starting to wonder if the man is rather like god (being required to invent one if one didn't exist)!
My personal opinion is, having gone from one year in which I made (gulp!) $10,300 to the next year, in which I made $19,700, that hard work and a steady income change everything, if you've got half a brain and some self-discipline.
Well, WSJ feels that way too - when I read them on the issue of "executive compensation" it turns me right into a Gramscian whore.
However, the fight is more about the distribution of income between the middle and upper classes - the middle class being slowly wiped from the US social map, in favor of a somewhat more comfortable lower class and a slightly enlarged upper class. At least, that's my summary of the situation.
| 1245 |
SlartyBartfast Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:54:52am |
re: #1222 Racer X
I get the feeling Charles is putting on his lion-tamer outfit, and grabbing a whip and a chair.
I think I just heard the whip crack...
| 1246 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:54:58am |
re: #1238 avanti
I was a commissioned salesman at one time, and made mad money on my 6% commission while helping the company make a bigger share, so I have mixed emotions on some compemsation issues.
When I see folks defending 100 million dollar bonuses for guys that make it off middle income IRA's I have to think back to the time when I was making 4 times what the truck drivers that delivered my sales did, but I still have mixed feelings.
I don't have as much of a complaint with big pay for execs when they do a good job, but I do object to them getting bonuses and raises when they drive a company into the ground.
| 1247 |
Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:55:30am |
re: #1241 Charles
I was afraid, when you instituted the ratings system, that this would happen. I hoped it wouldn't happen, but I feared it would.
I'm a pessimist about human nature.
| 1248 |
Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:55:40am |
re: #1225 buzzsawmonkey
The one thing in the Narnia books that disturbs me slightly is the depiction of the dwarves in "The Last Battle."
Lewis, by all accounts, was no antisemite (that alone being noteworthy among British writers of his class and time) and was married to a Jewish woman. Yet his depiction of the dwarves in "The Last Battle" as figures who reject the Christ-figure Aslan and who thereby remain bound in their stable is uncomfortably reminiscent of Wagner's use of dwarves in the Ring Cycle to stand in for Jews.
There are some also that read some anti-Islam sentiments into this series. Of course, Tolkien was accused of the same.
You do raise an interesting question, although as I rifle through my mental Rolodex I'm having a hard time recalling any corroborating instances of Anti-Semitism in his other writings. I believe his wife, Joy, was a Jewess.
The Last Battle was one of the more controversial of the series for Lewis for different reasons, especially for his views on the scope and extent of salvation for "non-believers".
| 1249 |
itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:55:56am |
re: #1225 buzzsawmonkey
The one thing in the Narnia books that disturbs me slightly is the depiction of the dwarves in "The Last Battle."
Lewis, by all accounts, was no antisemite (that alone being noteworthy among British writers of his class and time) and was married to a Jewish woman. Yet his depiction of the dwarves in "The Last Battle" as figures who reject the Christ-figure Aslan and who thereby remain bound in their stable is uncomfortably reminiscent of Wagner's use of dwarves in the Ring Cycle to stand in for Jews.
I didn't even realize that. Hmph. I'd wondered at the dwarves in LOTR being based partially on Jews.
| 1250 |
WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:56:25am |
re: #1243 justabill
I suspect what really happened is the Socialist/Communists took to calling themselves "Liberal" because of the negative connotations with "Socialism/Communism". After a while, people caught on to what was really happening. So, these same folks (and their like minded descendent's) began calling themselves progressives.
I still like the term "Classic Liberal", and consider myself mostly a "Classic Liberal". This refers to many of the US Founders Values, things like Limited Govt, Free Market Economics ect, and is probably closet to somewhere between Libertarianism and modern Conservatism.
It is rather like Republicans calling themselves conservatives.
| 1252 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:58:00am |
Another protester attends town hall with gun...
Armed and Dangerous?
MSNBC just aired footage of the crowd gathering at the Obama town hall meeting on health care that's supposed to start later today in New Hampshire and pointed out one man in a group holding protest signs with a gun in a holster on his hip. Apparently not a law officer, but a civilian.
...the gun-toting protestor was holding a sign referencing the Jefferson quote: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." It's a well known quote from one of the archetypal founding fathers.
...
The local police tell MSNBC that the man is legally carrying the gun, is nowhere near where the President will be, and is "under constant surveillance."
| 1253 |
avanti Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:58:13am |
re: #1246 Kosh's Shadow
I don't have as much of a complaint with big pay for execs when they do a good job, but I do object to them getting bonuses and raises when they drive a company into the ground.
I agree with that, and think the GOP's perception of protecting the very rich in the name of capitalism is a tough sell in some cases.
| 1254 |
VioletTiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:58:20am |
re: #1251 buzzsawmonkey
I've never seen anything in the Tolkein books which suggested "Jews" at all. Tolkein's world seems, overall, remarkably secular--certainly compared with the world Lewis creates in the Narnia books. While there is some reference to something akin to ancestor worship in Tolkein--the ancients were wiser, more powerful, made better swords, etc.--there is really no deity, good or bad, in "The Lord of the Rings"; the Dark Lord is merely an overwhelmingly powerful earthly (or Middle-Earthly) figure. It is a sort of atheistic paganism, if you will.
I think he went out of his way to make it secular. In fact, he denied it had anything to do with WWII or anything similar.
| 1255 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:58:32am |
re: #1248 Pianobuff
There are some also that read some anti-Islam sentiments into this series. Of course, Tolkien was accused of the same.
Let's see.
Sauron is Osama.
Only he had 19 Nazgul, and they rode aircraft instead of horses.
Once some twisted Gollums find the rings and bring them back to Mount Doom in Tora Mordor in Afghanistan, he'll send out new ones.
///
| 1257 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:58:40am |
re: #1091 apachegunner
it helps the less fortunate to buy cell phones, flat screen tvs and neat cars.
Idiot.
| 1258 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:58:50am |
re: #1241 Charles
Is this where it's coming to? People who've been here for years are suddenly going to claim that I've "never banned a leftist?"
I've been checking out some of the people who seem have LGF accounts only to stealth down-ding reasonable posters. -- or me.Time after time, I've seen these people go to threads that are no longer active, and go through the whole thread dinging down any comment that isn't rabidly right wing, or that criticizes anyone on the right wing.
So far 4 people are out of here, and three of them also had more than one sock puppet registered.These games are going to stop.
I would say something glib like they need to get a hobby,, or have WAY too much time on their hands
But that goes way beyond "glib"
Those that would do that need professional help, imho
| 1260 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:59:08am |
re: #1251 buzzsawmonkey
I've never seen anything in the Tolkein books which suggested "Jews" at all. Tolkein's world seems, overall, remarkably secular--certainly compared with the world Lewis creates in the Narnia books. While there is some reference to something akin to ancestor worship in Tolkein--the ancients were wiser, more powerful, made better swords, etc.--there is really no deity, good or bad, in "The Lord of the Rings"; the Dark Lord is merely an overwhelmingly powerful earthly (or Middle-Earthly) figure. It is a sort of atheistic paganism, if you will.
Until you get to the Silmarillion.
| 1261 |
Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:59:21am |
re: #1244 itellu3times
I am neither an economist nor a demographer, and I don't know that I'd be able to dissect the numbers to any benefit. I do know that your analysis makes me (instinctively) uncomfortable, as it seems to discount my efforts and those of a lot of other people I know to claw our way from really, miserably poor circumstances to something I'd call middle-class.
| 1262 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:59:41am |
re: #1241 Charles
I wonder why they bother. What does it achieve to anonymously up/down ding peoples' opinions on a blog?
| 1263 |
CIA Reject Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:59:48am |
re: #1251 buzzsawmonkey
I've never seen anything in the Tolkein books which suggested "Jews" at all. Tolkein's world seems, overall, remarkably secular--certainly compared with the world Lewis creates in the Narnia books. While there is some reference to something akin to ancestor worship in Tolkein--the ancients were wiser, more powerful, made better swords, etc.--there is really no deity, good or bad, in "The Lord of the Rings"; the Dark Lord is merely an overwhelmingly powerful earthly (or Middle-Earthly) figure. It is a sort of atheistic paganism, if you will.
That, IMHO was Tolkein's genius: he was able to express the truths proclaimed by Christianity in a purely secular form.
| 1264 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:59:58am |
re: #1262 NukeAtomrod
I wonder why they bother. What does it achieve to anonymously up/down ding peoples' opinions on a blog?
Oh, but it makes them FEEEL better.
/
| 1266 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:00:30am |
re: #1251 buzzsawmonkey
I believe that most of Tolkiens Middle Earth religion is revealed mostly in the "Simarillion". Some of it's glossed over in "The Lord of The Rings". It definitely isn't a driving force in his characters in the works.
| 1267 |
John Neverbend Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:00:40am |
re: #1236 Kosh's Shadow
Was Tolkein antisemitic?
I always assumed that he wasn't. I just stumbled across this marvellous little "snippet".
| 1268 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:00:47am |
re: #1262 NukeAtomrod
I wonder why they bother. What does it achieve to anonymously up/down ding peoples' opinions on a blog?
Some people take their karma very seriously. I downdinged one comment by someone the other day, and they called me a nazi.
| 1271 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:01:40am |
| 1272 |
jill e Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:01:47am |
Tolkien was hugely responsible for C.S. Lewis' conversion. Tolkien also insisted that The Lord of the Rings is "a fundamentally religious and Catholic work."
Chronicles of Narnia is regarded as mythopoeia—storylines referencing Christian mythology—a great king who is sacrificed to save his people and is resurrected. Lewis' work is often confused with allegory (where the characters and world of Narnia would stand in direct equivalence with concepts and events from Christian theology and history), but Lewis repeatedly emphasized that an allegorical reading misses the mythopoeia point of the Narnia stories.
| 1273 |
John Neverbend Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:02:24am |
re: #1268 JamesTKirk
Some people take their karma very seriously. I downdinged one comment by someone the other day, and they called me a nazi.
Excuse me for asking this, but if the up/downdinger does not declare their action in a posting, is it possible to determine who actually did it?
| 1274 |
itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:02:30am |
re: #1226 Kosh's Shadow
I'll see how this goes with my large number of stock options (large to me) at a very low price, in the company I work for, when I actually get vested and the company goes public or is bought.
I'm not expecting much; I will admit.
Typical deal is for enough shares to pay out an "expected" million bucks or so. But, that's after five years vesting and maybe a few more year's growth. So, divide by eight, take the net present value or IRR, discount heavily for the contingencies, count in the tax rate, and it *may* be the equivalent of doubling your pay. While the organizers stand to gain 1000x that much.
One can debate the "fairness" involved.
| 1275 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:02:37am |
re: #1252 Killgore Trout
The local police tell MSNBC that the man is legally carrying the gun, is nowhere near where the President will be, and is "under constant surveillance."
Good enough for me.
| 1276 |
Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:02:51am |
re: #1251 buzzsawmonkey
Oh, dear.
Um...you are an exceedingly brilliant person, but LOTR is christian, quite explicitly, plus, of course, Tolkien's reworking and internalization of the Anglo-Saxon and Celtic myth, legend and poetry.
| 1277 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:03:00am |
re: #1273 John Neverbend
Excuse me for asking this, but if the up/downdinger does not declare their action in a posting, is it possible to determine who actually did it?
Charles certainly can. For us ordinary Lizards, no, there's no way to tell, nor should there be.
| 1278 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:03:08am |
re: #1269 Lincolntf
That's just funny.
So I downdinged (downdang? downdung?) them again for the nazi comment.
After a little bit more grumbling we changed the subject, and I ended up giving him several updings later on in the same thread for other topics. So he still profited.
| 1279 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:03:23am |
re: #1267 John Neverbend
I always assumed that he wasn't. I just stumbled across this marvellous little "snippet".
thanks! I was looking for that.
| 1280 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:04:24am |
re: #1273 John Neverbend
Excuse me for asking this, but if the up/downdinger does not declare their action in a posting, is it possible to determine who actually did it?
You can see who up- or -downdanged you by clicking on the number next to the comment.
However, if they don't declare their action (and I did), then you have no way of knowing WHY they did it.
| 1281 |
John Neverbend Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:04:42am |
re: #1277 thedopefishlives
Charles certainly can. For us ordinary Lizards, no, there's no way to tell, nor should there be.
That makes sense.
| 1282 |
apachegunner Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:04:47am |
re: #1273 John Neverbend
Excuse me for asking this, but if the up/downdinger does not declare their action in a posting, is it possible to determine who actually did it?
left mouse click on the displayed number
| 1283 |
Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:04:48am |
re: #1254 VioletTiger
He wrote, in the preface, that having experienced the trenches in WWI, and having a son serving during WWII, of course those were influences, but he wasn't addressing any specific political situation.
| 1284 |
avanti Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:04:58am |
re: #1264 thedopefishlives
Oh, but it makes them FEEEL better.
/
Exactly, and that was my point about blowing off steam. If I see a happy group demonizing any one to their left, it's better to lay low until real discussion returns, rather then pee on the happy parade.
| 1285 |
CIA Reject Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:05:18am |
re: #1278 JamesTKirk
So I downdinged (downdang? downdung?) them again for the nazi comment.
After a little bit more grumbling we changed the subject, and I ended up giving him several updings later on in the same thread for other topics. So he still profited.
Step One: downding
Step Two: ?
Step Three: Profit!
/The Underpants Gnomes ride again!
| 1286 |
jill e Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:05:22am |
On November 5, 1933, Lewis wrote to his friend Arthur Greeves, "...nothing can fully excuse the iniquity of Hitler's persecution of the Jews, or the absurdity of his theoretical position. Did you see that he said 'The Jews have made no contritution to human culture and in crushing them I am doing the will of the Lord.' Now as the whole idea of the 'Will of the Lord' is precisely what the world owes to the Jews, the blaspheming tyrant has just fixed his absurdity for all to see in a single sentence, and shown that he is as contemptible for his stupidity as he is detestable for his cruelty.
On July 25, 1938, J. R. R. wrote a defiant letter to his German publisher when asked about his racial heritage. "But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people.")
| 1287 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:05:27am |
re: #1274 itellu3times
Typical deal is for enough shares to pay out an "expected" million bucks or so. But, that's after five years vesting and maybe a few more year's growth. So, divide by eight, take the net present value or IRR, discount heavily for the contingencies, count in the tax rate, and it *may* be the equivalent of doubling your pay. While the organizers stand to gain 1000x that much.
One can debate the "fairness" involved.
I actually get vested 1/4 after a year, with the remaining 3/4 over another year.
We'll see how this goes. Time for another management meeting, as they were saying we had money through September.
But given our partnerships with some larger companies, I'd expect one of them to take over the company or at least the technology, rather than the company going out of business; that could still leave me out of work though.
| 1288 |
NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:06:07am |
re: #1268 JamesTKirk
Some people take their karma very seriously. I downdinged one comment by someone the other day, and they called me a nazi.
So, it's just to piss us off? Fine then. Do your worst, stealth-dingers. If you don't have the courage to speak your minds, we are immune to your petty dings.
| 1289 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:06:11am |
re: #1277 thedopefishlives
Charles certainly can. For us ordinary Lizards, no, there's no way to tell, nor should there be.
Yes, if you click on the points for a post, it gives the names.
| 1290 |
yochanan Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:06:37am |
Back in the old days LGF was a lot more united when the main issue of talk was islmo fascism we had almost 100% agreement now not so much. have we forgotten 9-11?
just a reminder.
| 1291 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:07:14am |
re: #1288 NukeAtomrod
So, it's just to piss us off? Fine then. Do your worst, stealth-dingers. If you don't have the courage to speak your minds, we are immune to your petty dings.
Dings only matter to anyone if they let it matter to them.
| 1292 |
Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:07:16am |
Apparently someone has already thought about this. I don't vouch for it, as it's the first thing that Google gave me. A section below...
In 1933, the year Hitler was elected chancellor of Germany, Lewis published his allegorical Pilgrim's Regress. There he warned of a tribe of black-shirted dwarfs named the Swastici, who were vassals to a bloodthirsty northern tyrant named Savage.
On November 5, 1933, Lewis wrote to his friend Arthur Greeves, "...nothing can fully excuse the iniquity of Hitler's persecution of the Jews, or the absurdity of his theoretical position. Did you see that he said 'The Jews have made no contritution to human culture and in crushing them I am doing the will of the Lord.' Now as the whole idea of the 'Will of the Lord' is precisely what the world owes to the Jews, the blaspheming tyrant has just fixed his absurdity for all to see in a single sentence, and shown that he is as contemptible for his stupidity as he is detestable for his cruelty.
For the German people as a whole we ought to have charity; but for dictators, 'Nordic' tyrants and so on-- well, read the chapter about Mr. Savage in the Regress and you have my views."
(Readers of the collected letters of Lewis's friend J. R. R. Tolkien find that on July 25, 1938, he wrote a defiant letter to his German publisher when asked about his racial heritage. "But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people.")
One evening after the fall of France in June, 1940 -- when the invasion of England seemed imminent -- Lewis and some of his friends were thinking of passages in their writings that could mark them for elimination under Nazi occupation. Lewis recalled ominously his subhuman dwarfs in black shirts called the Swastici. As Robert Havard put it later, that was not their happiest evening.
On April 15, 1944, Lewis published his little-known essay "What France Means to You" (a response in French to that question) in the journal La France Libre. His brief essay is, in my opinion, a masterpiece of ironic discretion and double meaning. When he speaks of the "worst cancers of the modern world" taking up residence in France, and "the idol of Stupidity" being raised in what used to be the country of Reason, he is overtly referring to modern decadence; but in my opinion he is also tacitly referring to Naziism. After all, when he wrote this the liberation of France had not yet begun.
On November 10, 1944, C. S. Lewis published the first chapter of his serial novel "Who Goes Home?" in a national church-related newspaper called the Guardian. The story ran, chapter by chapter, until mid-April, l945; and shortly thereafter it was released as the book Lewis called his Cinderella, The Great Divorce. In that story Lewis finds himself in a desolate grey city (hell) waiting for a bus that is headed for the outskirts of heaven. The second person Lewis meets on the bus is an intelligent-looking businessman in a round bowler hat. Anyone who has read Lewis's 1927 "Easley fragment" would recognize this accidental travelling companion of 1944 as a new version of Lewis's (Dr. Easley's) accidental travelling companion of 1927; both are outgoing, greedy, materialistic businessmen who wear round bowler hats. But the encounter in the Easley fragment takes place on a boat, and that companion is an Ulster Irishman; the encounter in The Great Divorce takes place on a bus, and that companion is a Jew...
There's a bit more for the curious at the link at the top of the post.
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StillAMarine Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:07:59am |
re: #1243 justabill
You have hit it right on the nose. Have a look at Jonah Goldberg's book, Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning where he makes a very good case that fascism in its original meaning was closely entwined with progressivism as we know it. At one time Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin actually loved one another.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:08:27am |
re: #1290 yochanan
Back in the old days LGF was a lot more united when the main issue of talk was islmo fascism we had almost 100% agreement now not so much. have we forgotten 9-11?
just a reminder.
We're currently focused on other threats, perhaps even more immediate threats, to which there is less of a consensus.
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Kenneth Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:08:32am |
re: #1243 justabill
Socialists or Communists never called themselves "liberals". Not unless they were lying for cover. Liberalism is a centrist position. It arose in Britain as a reform party opposed to the entrenched interests of the aristocracy while not endorsing the revolutionary ideas of the Socialists. The British Liberal Party today stands between the Conservatives on the Right, and Labour on the Left. The UK Social Democrats stand between Labour and the Liberals. In Canada, the Liberal Party has always been centrist, with the Conservatives on the Right & the NDP on the Left. The Liberals would lean to the left or right depending on which way the wind was blowing.
In the US, the term "Liberal" became a pejorative used by Republicans to throw at Democrats, but the term had no consistent meaning. On the Canadian or UK spectrum, Bill Clinton was a Liberal, while Obama is clearly in the Labour or NDP zone.
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Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:08:39am |
re: #1273 John Neverbend
Click on the number beside the up-ding, down-ding icons.
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itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:09:30am |
re: #1261 Dianna
I am neither an economist nor a demographer, and I don't know that I'd be able to dissect the numbers to any benefit. I do know that your analysis makes me (instinctively) uncomfortable, as it seems to discount my efforts and those of a lot of other people I know to claw our way from really, miserably poor circumstances to something I'd call middle-class.
It's not about class as such (though I suppose it could be).
Now and then, some startup does share some large part of profits with the staff, and it makes news.
My own father's little company was not overly generous with the profit sharing, though the numbers were never big enough to worry much about.
And it should make you uncomfortable ... though I'm not entirely certain in what sense you meant that.
But when the chairman of Disney or Exxon or NYSE takes home nine figure salaries for the year, I see red - literally and figuratively.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:09:33am |
re: #1290 yochanan
Back in the old days LGF was a lot more united when the main issue of talk was islmo fascism we had almost 100% agreement now not so much. have we forgotten 9-11?
just a reminder.
Unfortunately, some of those who were riding along with us did not share our values. Remember that we had Crazy Pam, Spencer, Bodissey, and Dymphna at one time? They opted to aid and abet European fascism rather than stand for freedom and anti-idiotarianism. I miss not their ilk.
Last I saw, this blog was about anti-idiotarianism, and those who attempted to defend their various idiotarianisms left.
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yochanan Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:10:38am |
re: #1267 John Neverbend
In 1938, Tolkien had written a razor-tongued reply to the German firm Rütten und Loening Verlag, who, upon negotiating the publication of a German translation of The Hobbit, dared to ask Tolkien if he was "arisch" [Aryan]. Tolkien replied with insulting philological precision that since he was not aware that any of his "ancestors spoke Hindustani, Persian, Gypsy, or any related dialects," he could not claim to be Aryan. He adds, "but if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people." He then continues with an explanation of his German name (Tolkien's ancestors immigrated to England in the eighteenth century), and closes with the following:
I have been accustomed . . . to regard my German name with pride, and continued to do so throughout the period of the late regrettable war . . . I cannot, however, forbear to comment that if impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride.
In a letter to his own publishers about the same issue Tolkien calls the German race laws "lunatic" and notes "I do not regard the (probable absence of all Jewish blood as necessarily honourable . . . and should regret giving any colour to the notion that I subscribed to the wholly pernicious and unscientific race-doctrine." ...
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Digital Display Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:11:06am |
re: #1278 JamesTKirk
So I downdinged (downdang? downdung?) them again for the nazi comment.
After a little bit more grumbling we changed the subject, and I ended up giving him several updings later on in the same thread for other topics. So he still profited.
What profits a man if he gains all the dings in the world but loses his Soul?
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itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:11:42am |
re: #1276 Dianna
Oh, dear.
Um...you are an exceedingly brilliant person, but LOTR is christian, quite explicitly, plus, of course, Tolkien's reworking and internalization of the Anglo-Saxon and Celtic myth, legend and poetry.
And some Herodotus, too.
Tolkien's real innovation was sort of "the magic goes away", as Larry Niven later wrote it, in which we realize our fates in an increasingly secular (mundane) world. Elegiac.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:14:54am |
re: #1293 buzzsawmonkey
Not being steeped in Christian lore, I have to say that I don't see a lot of overt Christianity in LOTR. Which isn't to say it's not there, just that it is nowhere near as obvious as it is in the Narnia books.
That there should be Christian themes and references in LOTR surprises me not at all; people write from their own frame of reference, even when they are creating a new world.
Tolkien himself was a devout Catholic, but if you read his famous preface to LoTR, you'll see that he "cordially detested allegory". People have tried to force the story into one schema or another, but he was too good a storyteller for that. He was also keenly aware of and deeply schooled in pre-Christian European mythos. So anyone who claims to have a key to the "hidden meaning" of the books is deluded. That's what makes LoTR orders of magnitude more compelling than any rival in the fantasy genre: it truly is a world unto itself.
That, and the mastery of language, the attention to detail, the thoroughly worked-out languages, et cetera.
I read books with an editor's eye, and discrepancies pop out at me like fireflies in the dusk. I have yet to find even a minor slip-up in LoTR after at least half a dozen complete readings.
Paeans!
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Dianna Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:17:33am |
re: #1298 itellu3times
I sympathize - it's nearly impossible to extinguish that nasty, envious, petty streak. I know exactly how you feel. Then I just remind myself that if I spend all my time envying and calling others' fortune unjustified, then I'm wasting my time.
I ask if I want to run a huge company, and discover that the answer is "no." For that reason, I laugh and shake my head at myself. The urge to tear down the rich is perfectly human.
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CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:17:41am |
re: #1251 buzzsawmonkey
I've never seen anything in the Tolkein books which suggested "Jews" at all. Tolkein's world seems, overall, remarkably secular--certainly compared with the world Lewis creates in the Narnia books. While there is some reference to something akin to ancestor worship in Tolkein--the ancients were wiser, more powerful, made better swords, etc.--there is really no deity, good or bad, in "The Lord of the Rings"; the Dark Lord is merely an overwhelmingly powerful earthly (or Middle-Earthly) figure. It is a sort of atheistic paganism, if you will.
The Silmarillion gives a good ancient history and overview of all those. There are parallels that could be drawn but it would be a stretch. IIRC the Dwarves were made first, of the stone of the mountains, but then they were put to sleep for a long time and the Elves, which were intended to be the first, were made. Some time later the Dwarves were awakened. It's been a while since I've read it so I don't remember much about who made whom or all the issues involved.
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Buck Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:19:40am |
re: #1212 MJ
How can this get past Rahm Emanuel? Seriously... he should know better.
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Kenneth Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:23:54am |
Is there a new tribe in Afghanistan?
US General McChrystal announces a new strategy...
Opium barons at top of kill or capture list as US targets the Taleban
Opium fuels the Afghan economy. Whoever controls it commands loyalties; distributes largesse; buys influence. By shifting from a policy of opium crop destruction to one of attacking the controllers of its trade, America essentially leaves the trade itself alone but appoints itself the arbiter of who gets to control it. Fighting the opium trade itself became unworkable because it stepped on too many toes; it attacked the livelihood of the farmers and the hawala money transfer system which spans the border and drove them into Taliban hands. But attacking the kingpins essentially leaves these interests intact while communicating the fact that America can now choose who the “barons” cannot be. And what they have ruled is that they can be drug lords but they cannot be supporters of al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Why is this important?
...With the US knocking off the drug lords, America will essentially be able to veto the accession to the pyramid of anyone who wishes to deal with the Taliban. In one stroke it achieves two things: it creates a situation where the Taliban is an impediment to business as usual and more importantly, it compels the Taliban seek a deal. Although there are no equivalents of Facebook or MySpace in the Afghan hills, the social networks are probably buzzing with the idea of an opium trade without the Taliban. Who will you join? Kabul, the Taliban, or the non-Taliban Pashtuns? Even those who cannot speak of it openly must be secretly considering whether it is in their interest to join the Strongest Tribe.
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jill e Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:23:58am |
“Are you not thirsty?” said the Lion.
“I’m dying of thirst,” said Jill.
“Then drink.” said the Lion.
“May I — could I — would you mind going away while I do?,” said Jill.
The Lion answered this only by a look and a very low growl. And as Jill gazed at it’s motionless bulk, she realized that she might as well have asked the whole mountain to move aside for her convenience.
The delicious rippling noise of the stream was driving her nearly frantic.
“Will you promise not to — do anything to me, if I do come?,” said Jill.
“I make no promise,” said the Lion.
Jill was so thirsty now that, without noticing it, she had come a step nearer.
“Do you eat girls?,” she said.
“I have swallowed up girls and boys, women and men, kings and emperors, cities and realms,” said the Lion It didn’t say this as if it were boasting, nor as if it were sorry, nor as if it were angry. It just said it.
“I daren’t come and drink,” said Jill.
“Then you will die of thirst,” said the Lion.
“Oh dear!,” said Jill, coming another step nearer. “I suppose I must go and look for another stream then.”
“There is no other stream,” said the Lion.
—C.S. Lewis, The Silver Chair (Chronicle of Narnia)
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:26:04am |
re: #1303 Cato the Elder
Tolkien himself was a devout Catholic, but if you read his famous preface to LoTR, you'll see that he "cordially detested allegory". People have tried to force the story into one schema or another, but he was too good a storyteller for that. He was also keenly aware of and deeply schooled in pre-Christian European mythos. So anyone who claims to have a key to the "hidden meaning" of the books is deluded. That's what makes LoTR orders of magnitude more compelling than any rival in the fantasy genre: it truly is a world unto itself.
That, and the mastery of language, the attention to detail, the thoroughly worked-out languages, et cetera.
I read books with an editor's eye, and discrepancies pop out at me like fireflies in the dusk. I have yet to find even a minor slip-up in LoTR after at least half a dozen complete readings.
Paeans!
I've found Cordwainer Smith's world to be also well thought out, although not as complete as Tolkein's.
And Smith (really Paul Linebarger) wrote true science fiction, not fantasy.
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theuglydougling Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:28:18am |
Please pardon what may be a stupid question, but what is the point of the ratings system if not to up/down ding comments? Sometimes I may come in very late to a thread and ding here and there without posting; not to be a jerk, but because my opinion may have already been stated a few times and my posting it would just feel like spammish me-too-ism. On one hand I don't want to feel like a spammer and on the other I don't want to be lumped in with so-called "stealth dingers." Where is the reasonable middle ground? Or am I already there?
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Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:28:18am |
re: #1310 Kosh's Shadow
I've found Cordwainer Smith's world to be also well thought out, although not as complete as Tolkein's.
And Smith (really Paul Linebarger) wrote true science fiction, not fantasy.
Noted for a future read!
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MJ Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:32:03am |
re: #1306 Buck
How can this get past Rahm Emanuel? Seriously... he should know better.
I'm sure he knows better. But Rahm isn't President and it's not his decision to make. Obama doesn't give a damn what Jews think. He's been insulting them since he got in. This was just another "screw-you" to American Jews. However, it's beginning to look as if "professional Jews", i.e. the organized macher's- have finally figured out that Obama dis-respects the Jewish community at every opportunity. They should have realized it earlier but I think it started big-time when Obama told them they need to "self-reflect." This from a guy who sat in an antisemitic church for 20 years listening to sermons from a racist, antisemitic preacher.
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WinterCat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:32:38am |
re: #1311 theuglydougling
Please pardon what may be a stupid question, but what is the point of the ratings system if not to up/down ding comments? Sometimes I may come in very late to a thread and ding here and there without posting; not to be a jerk, but because my opinion may have already been stated a few times and my posting it would just feel like spammish me-too-ism. On one hand I don't want to feel like a spammer and on the other I don't want to be lumped in with so-called "stealth dingers." Where is the reasonable middle ground? Or am I already there?
I have had people downding me for posts that were made days earlier. I say, whatever. I consider downdinging and updinging to be just barometers for judging the kind of attitudes that prevail on this blog. I will upding in agreement most times. I don't think I over use the downding thingy. I try to remind myself that the opinions here don't have to agree with my own in order to have some validity.
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hous bin pharteen Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:34:06am |
re: #1290 yochanan
I think too many people, it is 9/10.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:39:38am |
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dwells38 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:00:37am |
re: #822 Spenser (with an S)
Yes. As I recall during the GW Bush presidency there was no legitimate reason why a Pres or VP should want or need to obtain information confidentially.
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dwells38 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:51:27am |
re: #997 Desert Dog
Yes it seems they're complaining about something they themselves caused. Progressive is condescending and implies if you aren't in their camp then you are some kind of backward, traditionalist, stick-in-the-mud that's not up with all the new ideas. Continues to tempt others to compare their label with their true ideas which aren't new and don't necessarily represent progress.
It reminds me a couple years ago the Skeptic mag crowd (anti-Idiotarian and mostly atheistic) decided they needed to rebrand themselves so they would be better received by the general public. Instead of atheists or skeptics (both have negative connotations to the average person) they re-labeled themselves "Brights".
Can you believe it? I thought to myself "oh that's going to go over big". I'm not some god-hating athiest. I'm just a Bright. All you christian people out there no longer have to consider me suspect. We can be okay with each other. You're religious and I'm Bright.
I don't think they call themselves Brights anymore.
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