Gadget of the Day: Roomba Vacuuming Robot

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Here’s one of those impulse buys I thought I might regret — that turned out to be a very useful new technological approach to a very old problem: iRobot 560 Roomba Vacuuming Robot.

I’ve had mine for about three months and use it two or three times a week, and this little robot really does suck up the dirt very efficiently and intelligently. It’s kind of mesmerizing to watch as it decides how to negotiate around table legs, corners, and furniture. As a programmer, I’m impressed by the maneuvering algorithms built into this thing.

Sure, there are lots of evil world-dominating robots out there, but Roomba is one of the good ones. It won’t shove you down the stairs. It does a really good job of cleaning your lair, and only rarely misses anything. You can program it to do its thing on a schedule, it’s smart enough to avoid falling (or shoving) down the stairs, it cleans underneath chairs and couches and tables and beds (assuming proper clearance), and it comes with little “lighthouse” devices that help you direct it on its cleaning mission.

The only down side is that you really should clean the Roomba’s container, filter, and brushes after every use if possible, with your pitifully inadequate human hands. If you don’t, and something clogs up, the Roomba beeps plaintively, stops moving, and waits for you to notice. If it gets into this shell-shocked state, press the button on top and a bland female voice tells you in plain English what’s wrong. Come on, get it together, human.

When it’s completed cleaning a room, or its battery starts running out, the Roomba heads to its docking station automatically and charges up, like a good little robot should. Why can’t humans act this way?

Here’s a promotional video for the Roomba that shows what it can do.

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450 comments
1 Syrah  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:55:50pm

Beware of the shover robot.

2 SurferDoc  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:56:08pm

Always makes me think of "The Door Into Summer".

3 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:57:50pm

Sure Charles, it's great. But I'll have my house cleaned and vacuumed the old fashion way. A girl in a French Maid outfit.

4 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:58:41pm

How much to get one to clean Washington DC?

5 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:58:43pm

A cats best friend.

I looked into a lawnmower like this once, was about a grand and would do about 1/4 of an acre IIRC. Docking station to recharge. Pretty neat. I think it was made by Toro, but I do it the old fashioned way. Need the exercise and I had too much to do for it.

6 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:00:20pm

BTW, that vid just gives me a spinning wheel. Anyone seeing it ?

7 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:00:29pm

Remove dust bunnies from under couch, Roomba.

"I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave."

8 jones  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:01:58pm

I often go to my docking station when my job is done.

9 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:02:19pm

Thanks for the consumer report, Charles. Very cool.

hmmm. I wonder how the felines would react?

For anyone interested in a good standard vacuum - I love my Miele. (mee-laaa)

10 VegasRick  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:03:10pm

re: #3 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sure Charles, it's great. But I'll have my house cleaned and vacuumed the old fashion way. A girl in a French Maid outfit.

"She's gone from suck to blow!"

11 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:03:39pm

I need a machine to make my drinks with the proper ice, booze and mixer levels with just the push of a button. And a chauffeur to take me to Taco Bell.

12 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:03:46pm

Skynet I'm telling you, today vacuums, tomorrow Skynet, don't say I didn't warn you!

///

13 Hucbald  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:04:20pm

Yeah sure. You say that now. Just wait until all the Roombas in the neighborhood network and develop a hive mind. You won't be laughing then.

Those things are dangerous. mark_my_words.

14 victor_yugo  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:05:00pm

I was in a high-tech lab in New Jersey in 2005, and they had a Roomba in every carpeted lab room.

Press the button, it plays the "Call to Post" and goes into action.

If it finds a tough spot, it sings "Uh-oh" a couple times, and starts scrubbing extra.

And when it's done, it returns to its dock, plays a lullaby, and powers off.

Just too frakkin' cool.

15 jaunte  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:05:07pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

You'll want to see the new Augean model.

16 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:05:26pm

re: #15 jaunte

Heh.

17 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:05:48pm

re: #13 Hucbald

Yeah sure. You say that now. Just wait until all the Roombas in the neighborhood network and develop a hive mind. You won't be laughing then.

Those things are dangerous. mark_my_words.

Tonight on FOX...When Roombas Go Bad!

18 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:06:00pm

re: #12 jcm

Skynet I'm telling you, today vacuums, tomorrow Skynet, don't say I didn't warn you!

///

Teeny tiny cameras in them.
We're being watched...

/My god man, put some clothes on !

19 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:06:23pm

re: #14 victor_yugo

I was in a high-tech lab in New Jersey in 2005, and they had a Roomba in every carpeted lab room.

Press the button, it plays the "Call to Post" and goes into action.

If it finds a tough spot, it sings "Uh-oh" a couple times, and starts scrubbing extra.

And when it's done, it returns to its dock, plays a lullaby, and powers off.

Just too frakkin' cool.

Sure it's cute... until it gets lasers!

ROOMBA of DOOM!

20 victor_yugo  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:06:37pm

Somewhere there's a vid of a Japanese guy who put a wireless dongle on his Roomba, and another wireless on a joypad. When he exercises, the Roomba moves the way he moves.

21 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:06:50pm

re: #18 SasquatchOnSteroids

Teeny tiny cameras in them.
We're being watched...

/My god man, put some clothes on !

I wave my privates in their general direction!

22 VegasRick  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:07:03pm

Later all!

23 Clemente  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:07:10pm

re: #3 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sure Charles, it's great. But I'll have my house cleaned and vacuumed the old fashion way. A girl in a French Maid outfit.

I guess putting a dainty little lace apron on the robot wouldn't quite be the same, would it? Sometimes the price of progress is simply unacceptable.

24 victor_yugo  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:07:11pm

re: #19 jcm

Sure it's cute... until it gets lasers!

ROOMBA of DOOM!

Didn't we put in the request for SHARKS?

25 victor_yugo  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:07:36pm

re: #23 Clemente

I guess putting a dainty little lace apron on the robot wouldn't quite be the same, would it? Sometimes the price of progress is simply unacceptable.

Depends. Could it be a fembot?

26 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:08:05pm

re: #24 victor_yugo

Didn't we put in the request for SHARKS?

The tank, the maintenance, acquiring the sharks $$$.

Budget cuts man.

27 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:10:05pm

For smokers, you could just dump the ash tray onto the floor. Just remove the roaches.
/I only smoke cigs...

28 kreigwagon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:13:20pm

That's all well and good...but when is someone going to invent bot that serves up a steak dinner?...or at least fetch me a beer from the fridge?

29 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:13:28pm

re: #20 victor_yugo

Somewhere there's a vid of a Japanese guy who put a wireless dongle on his Roomba,

TMI

//

30 Clemente  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:13:41pm

So if the roomba asks for my credit card, the keys to my truck, and directions to the gun show, should I worry?

Nah. What could go wrong?

31 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:14:03pm

So I ask the better half , Want a Roomba?

What's that?

An automatic vacuum cleaner.

Why would I need that?

So it'll get done.

And that's when the fight started...

32 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:14:10pm

my second wife was a Roomba...

33 kreigwagon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:15:29pm

re: #30 Clemente

So if the roomba asks for my credit card...snipped...
Nah. What could go wrong?

Would that be an Obamabot then?...;)

34 astronmr20  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:15:29pm

I, for one, welcome our new floor-sucking overlords.

35 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:15:39pm

re: #31 SasquatchOnSteroids

So I ask the better half , Want a Roomba?

What's that?

An automatic vacuum cleaner.

Why would I need that?

So it'll get done.

And that's when the fight started...

And now you're in the market for a robot wife?

36 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:16:13pm

re: #28 kreigwagon

That's all well and good...but when is someone going to invent bot that serves up a steak dinner?...or at least fetch me a beer from the fridge?

37 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:16:48pm

Roomba. Sounds like some forbidden latin dance.

38 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:17:26pm

GOAT2009 for my lawn, before a Roomba!

39 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:17:45pm

re: #37 Sharmuta

Roomba. Sounds like some forbidden latin dance.

May I have this dance?

40 Clemente  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:17:46pm

re: #33 kreigwagon

Would that be an Obamabot then?...;)

That one's been suckin' straight from the paycheck. Doesn't ever let up. And I hear it's getting upgraded.

41 SurferDoc  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:17:52pm

Her name was Lo-la, she was a Roomba...

42 kreigwagon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:17:56pm

re: #36 karmic_inquisitor

Nice...although, I'll bet it shakes up the product...I like beer and not "milk"... ;)

43 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:18:00pm

re: #34 astronmr20

I, for one, welcome our new floor-sucking overlords.

44 Dreader1962  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:18:25pm

Sure - it's harmless!

Nothing to fear!

Of course, we know this is a perfect cover for the robot army's intelligence operations; sneaking around, taking pictures, scanning credit card numbers, tapping internet/phone lines, etc. All the while saying, "Nothing to see here, just vacuuming the floors, Boss!"

45 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:19:02pm

re: #35 Occasional Reader

And now you're in the market for a robot wife?

Nah, she'd just laugh it off and tell me I don't have 2 broken legs, snap to it.

46 tradewind  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:19:04pm

re: #19 jcm

I think I might be a little creeped out to be left in a roomba myself with one of those things...

47 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:19:10pm

The inventors of the Roomba have also come out with the Lambada for shearing sheep.

48 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:19:13pm

re: #39 jcm

May I have this dance?

The pleasure would be mine.

49 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:19:37pm

When it can pick the laundry off the floor, sort the laundry, do the washing, sort and fold...

Then they'll have something!

50 ted  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:20:07pm

But I thought Stinky is supposed to come in and do the vacuuming?

What's next?...Windows?

51 Clemente  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:20:29pm

I foresee an unholy alliance that will doom man and dog alike...

52 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:20:47pm

re: #50 ted

But I thought Stinky is supposed to come in and do the vacuuming?

What's next?...Windows?

That was the last thread...
/

53 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:21:11pm

re: #46 tradewind

I think I might be a little creeped out to be left in a roomba myself with one of those things...

wait til the introduce the Womba...then you should worry

54 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:21:12pm

Everybody Roomba!

55 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:21:39pm

I assume those bomb squad robots are called the "Boomba".

56 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:21:58pm
57 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:22:48pm

re: #55 Occasional Reader

I assume those bomb squad robots are called the "Boomba".

Musical robots are La Ramba?

58 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:23:28pm

The inventors of the Roomba also invented a huge robotic street sweeper called the Charleston.

59 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:23:48pm

re: #57 jcm

Musical robots are La Ramba?

Animal Robots are called Simbas.

60 tradewind  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:24:04pm

re: #53 albusteve

Surrogacy without all the baggage. Someone is gonna clean up with that one.

61 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:24:25pm

re: #54 Sharmuta

Everybody Roomba!


got pasted at Gloria Estabans 'Bongo's' or whatever it is down in Disney World one time...roomba and all the rest...what a hell of a time that was

62 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:25:38pm

re: #58 HelloDare

The inventors of the Roomba also invented a huge robotic street sweeper called the Charleston.

New Zamboni® Robot!

See they're taking over!

63 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:25:57pm

re: #56 HelloDare

Hilarious!

64 ted  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:26:18pm

re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar

That was the last thread...
/

Double Entendre.

65 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:27:25pm

The inventors of the Roomba are also responsible for the X-rated personal appliance called the Hoedown.

66 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:27:33pm

The price on the Roomba has come down a bit. I can't wait until I get some money.

67 TedStriker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:27:35pm

re: #10 VegasRick

"She's gone from suck to blow!"

"Suck, suck, suck!"

68 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:28:40pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

The price on the Roomba has come down a bit. I can't wait until I get some money.

hock one of your new frying pans...problem solved!

69 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:28:42pm

re: #65 HelloDare

The inventors of the Roomba are also responsible for the X-rated personal appliance called the Hoedown.

I thought that was a distress call on the streets? "Hoedown! Get a medic!"

70 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:29:49pm

re: #65 HelloDare

The inventors of the Roomba are also responsible for the X-rated personal appliance called the Hoedown.

Monica.

71 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:30:19pm

re: #69 Occasional Reader

I thought that was a distress call on the streets? "Hoedown! Get a medic!"

obviously you have never visited Homestead Arkansas?

72 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:30:50pm

"Roombette the French Maid" Roomba Costume

(The internet is a wonderful thing.)

73 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:31:08pm

Once they shift Roomba production to Mexico to take advantage of lower labor costs, that sound you'll be hearing will be a giant sucking sound.

74 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:31:26pm

re: #68 albusteve

hock one of your new frying pans...problem solved!

Those pans I bought SUCK! I mean really really bad awful crap. Luckily I got them fairly cheap ( a little over $200) but they are garbage. I'll try them a few more times but I don't think they're even suitable for boiling water to cook pasta.

75 Afrocity  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:32:02pm

Hi guys!

76 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:32:41pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Those pans I bought SUCK! I mean really really bad awful crap. Luckily I got them fairly cheap ( a little over $200) but they are garbage. I'll try them a few more times but I don't think they're even suitable for boiling water to cook pasta.

oh man...how did that happen?...I thought they were state of the art?...I read that link...

77 Afrocity  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:33:11pm

re: #67 talon_262

"Suck, suck, suck!"

right on!

78 SurferDoc  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:33:17pm

re: #75 Afrocity

Hi guys!

Hi! How are you?

79 JacksonTn  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:33:43pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Those pans I bought SUCK! I mean really really bad awful crap. Luckily I got them fairly cheap ( a little over $200) but they are garbage. I'll try them a few more times but I don't think they're even suitable for boiling water to cook pasta.

KT ... wait ... you are broke and you buy $200 pans? ... hahahahaha ... that makes no sense at all ... but hey ... its your money ...

80 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:34:04pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Those pans I bought SUCK! I mean really really bad awful crap. Luckily I got them fairly cheap ( a little over $200) but they are garbage. I'll try them a few more times but I don't think they're even suitable for boiling water to cook pasta.

All-Clad, baby.

81 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:34:05pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Those pans I bought SUCK! I mean really really bad awful crap. Luckily I got them fairly cheap ( a little over $200) but they are garbage. I'll try them a few more times but I don't think they're even suitable for boiling water to cook pasta.

You are kidding, right?

82 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:34:27pm

re: #75 Afrocity

Hi guys!

Howdy! Long time.

83 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:34:46pm

re: #75 Afrocity

Hi guys!

Afrocity!

Long time no see!

What ya' drinkin' this one is on me.

84 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:35:42pm

I don't know why this popped into my mind but I just saw a drunk Joe Biden sitting on a Roomba.

You know, this Joe Biden. Maybe with two more beers.

85 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:36:54pm

when I got divorced I bought a set of state of the art Farberware but I still only use my two antique iron skillets for nearly everything...Beef-O-Roni is pretty simple I admit

86 Afrocity  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:37:00pm

Check out my blog today, I am in Texas.

[Link: afrocityblog.wordpress.com...]

87 Salamantis  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:37:11pm

And once again we welcome back our Lizard friend Afrocity
Who writes her Chitown blog with such intelligent ferocity

88 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:37:24pm

re: #81 Cannadian Club Akbar

You are kidding, right?

Nope. They heat up too fast and they also loos heat too fast. I tried to make simple white rice last night and the rice kept sticking to the bottom and burning. If I turned down the heat enough to prevent burning it wasn't hot enough to cook the rice. The lids fit poorly and the handles heat up too much to actually use them while cooking.

89 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:38:29pm

re: #86 Afrocity

So I've always wondered; is your nic meant to be pronounced so as to rhyme with "atrocity" or as "Afro-city"?

90 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:38:30pm

re: #79 JacksonTn

KT ... wait ... you are broke and you buy $200 pans? ... hahahahaha ... that makes no sense at all ... but hey ... its your money ...

I was mistaken and though I was investing in quality. I'm tired on buying nonstick pans that I have to replace every 5-10 years.

91 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:38:59pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

Nope. They heat up too fast and they also loos heat too fast. I tried to make simple white rice last night and the rice kept sticking to the bottom and burning. If I turned down the heat enough to prevent burning it wasn't hot enough to cook the rice. The lids fit poorly and the handles heat up too much to actually use them while cooking.

Rice: Bring water to boil, add rice, turn to simmer and cover for 20 minutes.

92 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:39:02pm

re: #86 Afrocity

Check out my blog today, I am in Texas.

[Link: afrocityblog.wordpress.com...]

Vacation or work?

Either way looks like fun!

93 JacksonTn  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:39:13pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

I was mistaken and though I was investing in quality. I'm tired on buying nonstick pans that I have to replace every 5-10 years.

KT .. the quality part I do agree with ...

94 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:40:08pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

Nope. They heat up too fast and they also loos heat too fast. I tried to make simple white rice last night and the rice kept sticking to the bottom and burning. If I turned down the heat enough to prevent burning it wasn't hot enough to cook the rice. The lids fit poorly and the handles heat up too much to actually use them while cooking.

Cast iron. Excellent heating properties, properly seasoned non-stick.

95 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:40:10pm

re: #93 JacksonTn

KT .. the quality part I do agree with ...

does Farberware suck?...am I sucky?...my rice cooks fine

96 Afrocity  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:40:16pm

re: #89 Occasional Reader

It is Afro-city.

97 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:40:26pm

re: #91 Cannadian Club Akbar

Rice: Bring water to boil, add rice, turn to simmer and cover for 20 minutes.

Won't work with these pans. Even maintaining a simmer cause the rice to stick to the bottom and burn. Stirring didn't help.

98 BignJames  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:40:27pm

I see a roomba in my future.

99 Afrocity  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:40:56pm

re: #92 jcm

work, I am having fun.

100 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:41:04pm

re: #95 albusteve

Farberware is good, kitchenaid stuff is also good.

101 BignJames  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:41:58pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

Won't work with these pans. Even maintaining a simmer cause the rice to stick to the bottom and burn. Stirring didn't help.


Use a boil-n-bag rice.

102 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:42:06pm
103 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:42:25pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

Won't work with these pans. Even maintaining a simmer cause the rice to stick to the bottom and burn. Stirring didn't help.

You never stir rice. Releases the starch.

104 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:42:27pm

re: #94 jcm

I'm thinking I might go stainless steel for my pots. I really like something I can throw in the dish washer.

105 JacksonTn  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:42:30pm

re: #95 albusteve

does Farberware suck?...am I sucky?...my rice cooks fine

albusteve ... nope ... a good cook can cook in anything if they have to ... I can make rice in a boot ... the only thing about some less quality non-stick is that it flakes ... I use Calphalon Hard Anodized in my kitchen ... it is kinda pricey but not the most and it last forever ... but I still have all my mothers cast iron and that I use all the time to make certain dishes ...

106 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:43:15pm

re: #103 Cannadian Club Akbar

Like I said, These pots are not suitable for even cooking rice. The are pretty much useless.

107 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:43:59pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

I'm thinking I might go stainless steel for my pots. I really like something I can throw in the dish washer.

STAINLESS STEEL!!! YES!! Now, you are smart. Also get a Dutch Oven, an egg pan, and a crock pot.

108 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:45:40pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

I'm thinking I might go stainless steel for my pots. I really like something I can throw in the dish washer.

True that, cast is more labor intensive...

109 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:46:02pm

re: #105 JacksonTn

albusteve ... nope ... a good cook can cook in anything if they have to ... I can make rice in a boot ... the only thing about some less quality non-stick is that it flakes ... I use Calphalon Hard Anodized in my kitchen ... it is kinda pricey but not the most and it last forever ... but I still have all my mothers cast iron and that I use all the time to make certain dishes ...

my iron skillets are priceless heirlooms...I'm partial to them..and I grill year round...

110 Gus  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:46:31pm

re: #106 Killgore Trout

Like I said, These pots are not suitable for even cooking rice. The are pretty much useless.

Ever check out Viking?

[Link: www.vikingrange.com...]

3 qt. saute pan runs $270.00

111 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:46:59pm

Cool machine. But it wouldn't do so well around here. The dogs would not be amused.

112 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:47:07pm

re: #108 jcm

True that, cast is more labor intensive...

my Thai kitchen crew does the dishes...I mostly just eat

113 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:47:23pm

For those who doubt me you can scroll through the Chantal reviews at Amazon. Not Good.

114 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:47:24pm

Introducing the Roomba to your cats is the very best part of the show.

115 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:48:21pm

re: #110 Gus 802

That too pricey for me right now.

116 JacksonTn  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:48:34pm

re: #112 albusteve

my Thai kitchen crew does the dishes...I mostly just eat

albusteve ... now your talking ... sweet ...

117 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:49:03pm

re: #110 Gus 802

Ever check out Viking?

[Link: www.vikingrange.com...]

3 qt. saute pan runs $270.00

get outa here...that's ridiculous

118 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:50:10pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

That too pricey for me right now.


[Link: www.restaurantsource.com...]

119 Gus  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:50:30pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

That too pricey for me right now.

Yeah. Viking makes some of the best. Their ranges are excellent. Not that I can afford any of that.

120 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:50:57pm

KT, find a restaurant supply store. They will help you.

121 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:51:49pm

Any every tried Le Creuset?
Enameled cast iron, I've been interested but never bitten.

122 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:52:22pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

For those who doubt me you can scroll through the Chantal reviews at Amazon. Not Good.

Don't buy the teakettle. Bad design. Steam burns your hand when you pour. You have to pushed the lid down hard all the way past the O ring. If you don't, it will boil dry without whistling. I've done this a couple times, as has a friend who has the same kettle. The whistle is the most annoying sound in the world next to a Hillary cackle. Looks nice, though.

123 Locker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:52:43pm

Sorry just showed up but C how does it do with regard to shaggier carpet? Most of our house has this hideous dark green shag carpet and if it hangs up the little guy or prevents him from cleaning that would be an issue.

Thanks sorry if you already answered any link would do.

124 Macker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:53:25pm

re: #1 Syrah

Beware of the shover robot which worships The One True God.

There, fixed that for ya!

125 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:53:36pm

re: #123 Locker

Sorry just showed up but C how does it do with regard to shaggier carpet? Most of our house has this hideous dark green shag carpet and if it hangs up the little guy or prevents him from cleaning that would be an issue.

Thanks sorry if you already answered any link would do.

Get new carpet. Problem solved:)

126 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:54:28pm

food rock...

127 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:54:28pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

For those who doubt me you can scroll through the Chantal reviews at Amazon. Not Good.

Killgore - I am not a superior cook, not one bit.
But I bought some of this brand of cookware and I have been very very pleased with it. I got tired of the "non-stick" stuff too, it just always flakes off and becomes non non-stick after awhile. The skillets I bought of this brand I've been very very pleased with, and will soon buy some of the pots.

128 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:54:36pm

re: #123 Locker

Sorry just showed up but C how does it do with regard to shaggier carpet? Most of our house has this hideous dark green shag carpet and if it hangs up the little guy or prevents him from cleaning that would be an issue.

Thanks sorry if you already answered any link would do.

Hideous dark green shag, like from the 70's?

My deepest sympathies.

129 Locker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:54:56pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

Nope. They heat up too fast and they also loos heat too fast. I tried to make simple white rice last night and the rice kept sticking to the bottom and burning. If I turned down the heat enough to prevent burning it wasn't hot enough to cook the rice. The lids fit poorly and the handles heat up too much to actually use them while cooking.

We love our rice cooker for that purpose. It's probably made of aluminum but it really, really does a great job at set and forget rice. Even has a build in steam tray for veggies. Highly recommended.

130 Locker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:55:55pm

re: #128 jcm

Hideous dark green shag, like from the 70's?

My deepest sympathies.

Not that shaggy but really, really dark. Like ultra, dark evergreen. It's horrid but my wife would rather replace the ceiling fans cause they "have too much yellow metal". Shrug, she's in charge, I just work here.

131 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:56:58pm

re: #127 reine.de.tout

Hmmm... I might look into their stainless steel set. Thanks.

132 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:57:19pm

If I hear that anyone here buys shit pans from the Food Network, I'm gonna...Well, just laugh, I guess.

133 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:57:45pm

re: #130 Locker

Not that shaggy but really, really dark. Like ultra, dark evergreen. It's horrid but my wife would rather replace the ceiling fans cause they "have too much yellow metal". Shrug, she's in charge, I just work here.

Seems we work the same place...

Oh, Dear! The bathroom linoleum is looking discolored, will you check that out?

134 HelloDare  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:57:56pm

re: #129 Locker

Yes. If you get rice in an Asian restaurant, it's from a rice cooker.

135 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:58:03pm

re: #129 Locker

I love those rice cookers. I had one a long time ago but it got lost or something.

136 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:58:18pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

Hmmm... I might look into their stainless steel set. Thanks.

Suggest you buy one piece first and see how you like it. With the sale, you can get a deep skillet for about $30 before buying the whole set.

137 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:59:38pm

re: #136 reine.de.tout

Yes, I'm definitely going to buy one piece at a time now. After getting suckered on that last set I'm a little poor.

138 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:00:11pm

Clearly, we need a Roomba rice cooker. Vacuums the floor while it cooks rice.

139 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:00:24pm

waffle rock...

140 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:00:24pm

re: #129 Locker

We love our rice cooker for that purpose. It's probably made of aluminum but it really, really does a great job at set and forget rice. Even has a build in steam tray for veggies. Highly recommended.

I am a big fan of rice cookers. We still have the same one that I bought at the Ft. Ord PX 20 years ago. Instructions were in japanese, but the thing is so mechanically simple that we didn't need instructions. Perfect rice every time. Works great for pilaf and cous cous too.

141 BignJames  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:00:27pm

re: #133 jcm

Seems we work the same place...

Oh, Dear! The bathroom linoleum is looking discolored, will you check that out?

A bath w/no fixtures...should cut cleaning time.

142 livefreeor die  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:01:02pm

I love the Roomba, especially how it can get under furniture such as couches and china cupboards. The Scuba is awesome too!

143 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:01:06pm

And for what it is worth, I worked for the first time tonight in 55 weeks. Now, they want me to work OT in the coming weeks. Finally.

144 BignJames  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:02:40pm

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar

And for what it is worth, I worked for the first time tonight in 55 weeks. Now, they want me to work OT in the coming weeks. Finally.


Cool...maybe things will start picking up elsewhere.

145 JacksonTn  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:03:29pm

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar

And for what it is worth, I worked for the first time tonight in 55 weeks. Now, they want me to work OT in the coming weeks. Finally.

CCA ... save your money ... congrats on the work ...

146 Locker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:03:41pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

Hmmm... I might look into their stainless steel set. Thanks.

We have a consumer reports membership so I took the liberty. Found some reviews based on the Sept 2009 issue with regard to cookware. Here is what they said, in summary:

Our tests found good performers at all price levels for both nonstick and uncoated cookware. Indeed the best performer overall was a $200, 14-piece set from Costco.

Recommended:

Best Value in Nonstick set
* Kirkland Signature (Costco) Item # 783634
* Type: Cookware
* Non-Stick
* Price as tested:
* $200

If you have an induction cook top
* KitchenAid Gourmet Essentials Brushed Stainless
* Type: Cookware
* Uncoated
* Price as tested:
* $150

If you want some nonstick and some traditional in one set
* Calphalon Simply Calphalon (SS)
* Type: Cookware
* Mixed
* Price as tested:
* $150

If you have a consumerreports.org report here is the direct link:

[Link: consumerreports.org...]

Happy cooking!

147 BignJames  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:04:48pm

Anyone tried to sell a house lately?

148 Locker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:05:16pm

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar

And for what it is worth, I worked for the first time tonight in 55 weeks. Now, they want me to work OT in the coming weeks. Finally.

Great News. Very fantastic. Congratulations on the new job!

149 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:06:34pm

re: #147 BignJames

Anyone tried to sell a house lately?

don't own one...heh...thank god

150 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:07:31pm

re: #147 BignJames

Anyone tried to sell a house lately?

I have been offered money for mine, but the only way I will sell is if they pay the note and have a briefcase with 90K.

151 BignJames  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:08:06pm

re: #149 albusteve

don't own one...heh...thank god


I'll soon be owning 2...if I can't sell 1.

152 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:09:29pm

re: #151 BignJames

I'll soon be owning 2...if I can't sell 1.

is that bad?

153 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:09:36pm

re: #146 Locker

Thanks. I knew I should have gone with the Kitchen Aid.

154 JacksonTn  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:10:10pm

Off to Chicago on business ... to the land of milk and honey ... I will let you know how the place looks now that Obama is prez ... I know when I was there in January ... well, it didn't seem like he really did much for his old stomping grounds when he represented it ... bet it is paved with gold now ...

I do like some parts of Chicago tho ... and the pizza is great ...

Good Night ... hope ya'll have a great Monday ...

155 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:10:35pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

Thanks. I knew I should have gone with the Kitchen Aid.

the Great Chef gave you instincts for a reason

156 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:10:40pm

re: #147 BignJames

Anyone tried to sell a house lately?

No but got the county to reduce my assessment. 3 houses very close to mine for sale, all $400k + one sold in about 6 weeks.

(Seattle area)

157 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:10:52pm

re: #147 BignJames

I hope I'm going to try to sell mine in about 8 months. The market here in Portland isn't too bad.

158 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:11:37pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

Thanks. I knew I should have gone with the Kitchen Aid.

Kitchen aid has stellar customer service, I'll only buy Kitchen Aid appliances because of it.

159 BignJames  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:12:28pm

re: #152 albusteve

is that bad?


I don't need 2...I've got financing to build a new house...the idea is to sell the old one and put any extra proceeds in my pocket.

160 Locker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:13:06pm

re: #156 jcm

No but got the county to reduce my assessment. 3 houses very close to mine for sale, all $400k + one sold in about 6 weeks.

(Seattle area)

Interesting. We just got our reassessment as well, without a request. Gonna help considerably on property taxes for the near future. CA here, Sacramento area.

161 ted  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:14:38pm

Roomba Cat:

162 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:14:53pm

The house next to the terrible family on my block took about 6 months to sell. They had an open house a few months ago and the terrible family's pit bull got loose and scared the fuck out of a lot of people. A few weeks ago a some people were looking at the house and the terrible kids next door started throwing rocks at their car.

They finally have a sale pending sign. I guess they haven't met the neighbors yet.

163 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:15:40pm

re: #159 BignJames

I don't need 2...I've got financing to build a new house...the idea is to sell the old one and put any extra proceeds in my pocket.

I hate new houses...would take a beater anyday, but that's just me...I'm a fixer upper superstar and prefer the rustic ambience of a clunker

164 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:15:48pm

re: #158 jcm

The kitchen aid stand mixer is the finest piece of equipment in my kitchen.

165 BignJames  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:15:56pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

I hope I'm going to try to sell mine in about 8 months. The market here in Portland isn't too bad.

I'm in kind of a niche market...this is "hunt country"...you know, for the horsey set...we'll try to market as a horse farm...sell the timber to make pasture. Wonder if that'll cost me carbon credits?

166 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:16:31pm

I want a robot that cleans kitty litter trays.

167 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:16:35pm

re: #160 Locker

Interesting. We just got our reassessment as well, without a request. Gonna help considerably on property taxes for the near future. CA here, Sacramento area.

Assessment went up the max of 7%, then property taxes went up 13%.
Meanwhile values took a 20% hit.

168 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:16:43pm

re: #165 BignJames

Rural areas might be kinda tough. Ya never know until you try.

169 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:16:45pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

The kitchen aid stand mixer is the finest piece of equipment in my kitchen.

Quarts? 4.5, 5 or 6? Just wondering.

170 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:16:51pm

Nice finish to the NASCAR race at MIS today. Update: Kyle Busch is still an ass.

171 ted  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:17:41pm

re: #166 Jimmah

I want a robot that cleans kitty litter trays.

[Link: www.catgenie.com...]

172 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:18:12pm

re: #166 Jimmah

I want a robot that cleans kitty litter trays.

I have one and I gave up on it after a few years. The motor isn't strong enough to really scoop out the box. It's a nice idea but they really aren't made well enough to be truly useful.

173 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:18:50pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

The kitchen aid stand mixer is the finest piece of equipment in my kitchen.

My wife's kitchen Aid hand mixer died, I took it apart and found the broken part and called Kitchen Aid. The service person said they didn't stock small appliance parts, not cost effective. But for shipping and handling they sent me a new one.

Thing was way out of warranty and they sent a brand new one. I didn't even ask.

174 Locker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:19:50pm

re: #166 Jimmah

I want a robot that cleans kitty litter trays.

We have one of those! Let's see here:

[Link:littermaid.com... ]

We have this set on top of a toybox sized thing with a self extending bag. It can hold like 50lbs of cat leavings before you have to change it, and it's sealed. We have the basic style one and it's been working for about 8 years. LOVE IT!

175 BignJames  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:20:01pm

re: #167 jcm

Assessment went up the max of 7%, then property taxes went up 13%.
Meanwhile values took a 20% hit.


Mine increased about 45%...taxes increased 18%.

176 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:20:33pm

re: #173 jcm

My wife's kitchen Aid hand mixer died, I took it apart and found the broken part and called Kitchen Aid. The service person said they didn't stock small appliance parts, not cost effective. But for shipping and handling they sent me a new one.

Thing was way out of warranty and they sent a brand new one. I didn't even ask.

the upholstery in my Gulfstream went bad...so they...
never mind

177 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:21:38pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

How much to get one to clean Washington DC?

We'd need a Roomba that went to 11.

178 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:22:25pm

re: #166 Jimmah

I want a robot that cleans kitty litter trays.

They make those.

179 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:23:27pm

re: #176 albusteve

the upholstery in my Gulfstream went bad...so they...
never mind

Gulfstream... pffft...

BBJ3...

180 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:25:16pm

re: #177 Sharmuta

We'd need a Roomba that went to 11.

A little more than a Roomba...

181 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:26:40pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

The house next to the terrible family on my block took about 6 months to sell. They had an open house a few months ago and the terrible family's pit bull got loose and scared the fuck out of a lot of people. A few weeks ago a some people were looking at the house and the terrible kids next door started throwing rocks at their car.

They finally have a sale pending sign. I guess they haven't met the neighbors yet.

First, I never got to thank you for referring me to the mag Biblical Archeology. In many ways, it's fascinating, but when push comes to shove, it's just another academic pissing contest. I won't be renewing my subscription. But thanks.

As for your neighbors - I've got some of those. Current and past. The past were Saudis affiliated w/the embassy in D.C. who skedalleded after 9/11 - didn't come back for 6 weeks or so. The current are - well, let's just say it would be politically incorrect to describe their behavior lest I be accused of being racist.

Here's what our 'hood did and does. Challenge. Every time. Every way. You might be surprised at the results you get when you show up at their door demanding - that is the word - appropriate behavior.

People like this continue to behave like this because other people allow them. Oh, the dog? Take treats. Back it up with an unconcealed weapon.

I'm here to tell you. It works. Every time. And I'm just an old lady.

182 Locker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:27:09pm

Looks like Tiger is up by two going into Red Shirt Sunday:

[Link:pga.com... ]

183 BignJames  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:27:28pm

re: #170 Mich-again

Nice finish to the NASCAR race at MIS today. Update: Kyle Busch is still an ass.

Ain't he? Rubberhead jr.

184 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:30:30pm
185 KansasMom  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:30:38pm

I can vouch for the Roomba (I've owned the blue scheduler model for at least 2 years). It does a great job with pet hair!
Mine has taken a few tumbles down the stairs, so I use the 'lighthouse' virtual walls to keep it away from them. I will say its a tough little thing, several tumbles and except for a few scrapes on the plastic cover its unharmed.
We named it Jaws (from the movie 'Mr. Mom').
I tried the automatically cleaning litter trays...that darned thing ended up in the trash bin after 2 months. The cats took to it allright, but it kept clogging and cleaning the clogs was worse than scooping the box.
Anyone here have a Scooba?

186 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:32:11pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

The kitchen aid stand mixer is the finest piece of equipment in my kitchen.

I have had my Kitchen Aid 5-qt stand mixer for 30 years. Sweetest appliance I have ever owned.

187 Macker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:32:24pm

re: #154 JacksonTn

I'm sure Afrocity can also give you some pointers.

188 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:34:21pm

In a previous job I got to teach robots. How long ago? They had Bubble Memory cards.

189 Wendya  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:35:08pm

re: #111 Mich-again

Cool machine. But it wouldn't do so well around here. The dogs would not be amused.

Mine turned out to be a very expensive chew toy.

190 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:35:47pm

re: #188 Mich-again

In a previous job I got to teach robots. How long ago? They had Bubble Memory cards.

I first learned the rudiments of writing code punching drum cards for keypunch machines.

/ I win

191 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:35:55pm

OT: William Golding, author of Lord of the Flies, has admitted to raping a 15 year old.

[Link: entertainment.timesonline.co.uk...]

His admission comes as part of his memoirs.

So his admission comes when he is getting ready to sell a book?

Scumbag.

OK -Brilliant Scumbag. But a scumbag just the same.

192 yochanan  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:36:01pm

i have a auto litter box cleaner

a wifie

193 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:36:09pm

Dancing Robots!

194 Clemente  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:36:18pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

Nope. They heat up too fast and they also loos heat too fast. I tried to make simple white rice last night and the rice kept sticking to the bottom and burning. If I turned down the heat enough to prevent burning it wasn't hot enough to cook the rice. The lids fit poorly and the handles heat up too much to actually use them while cooking.

KT, maybe putting one of these between the pot and burner would help, It's not what it's made for, but for ten bucks, it might be worth a try. If not, you still got a nifty place to set the hot kettle.

195 KansasMom  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:36:38pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

The kitchen aid stand mixer is the finest piece of equipment in my kitchen.

Most reliable too! Noisy as hell though.

196 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:36:54pm

re: #166 Jimmah

I want a robot that cleans kitty litter trays.

It's here. :)

197 Mauser  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:38:25pm

Best litter box I ever got was the set of three trays with slots in the bottom. You would stack the trays in alternating orientation (they have little pegs on the edges so it's hard to get wrong) and the slots would line up with the non-slotted portion of the tray below. To clean, you just lift the uppermost tray and the litter sifts into the next tray (with the third blocking off the second's slots) and dump the waste, then return the first tray to the bottom of the stack.

Annoyingly, you can't get them any more.

I still have my mom's old K-45 stand mixer from the early 70's. Avacado green... I think it may have a stripped tooth somewhere, but it still runs. But I want to upgrade, someday when I have money.

198 Racer X  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:40:30pm

Tropical Storm Spotted on Saturn's Moon Titan

A tropical storm was not what astronomers expected to see when they pointed their telescopes toward the equator of Saturn's moon Titan last summer.

But that's exactly what they found on this beguiling moon, home to a weather system both eerily familiar and perplexingly strange. The discovery was announced today.

In many ways Titan's climate resembles that of Earth, but instead of a water cycle, Titan has a methane cycle. Clouds, rain and lakes all exist on Titan, but they are all made of methane. In the moon's frigid climate, any water is frozen into rock-hard ice.

199 yochanan  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:40:47pm

re: #196 BlueCanuck

no way would my kitteh go anywere near that thing.

200 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:40:50pm

re: #190 wahabicorridor

I first learned the rudiments of writing code punching drum cards for keypunch machines.

/ I win

I remember FORTRAN punch cards in College. Ugh.

I'm a big fan of the whole Bubble Memory slice of electronics history. We had so many of those cards and I never remember one failing. Incredibly reliable. I think you could dunk one in a bucket of water and it would work after it dried out. There are still quite a few in use in Industry BTW. But no one would ever make them again, so the people who need them hoard them.

201 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:40:56pm

re: #197 Mauser

Best litter box I ever got was the set of three trays with slots in the bottom. You would stack the trays in alternating orientation (they have little pegs on the edges so it's hard to get wrong) and the slots would line up with the non-slotted portion of the tray below. To clean, you just lift the uppermost tray and the litter sifts into the next tray (with the third blocking off the second's slots) and dump the waste, then return the first tray to the bottom of the stack.

Annoyingly, you can't get them any more.

I still have my mom's old K-45 stand mixer from the early 70's. Avacado green... I think it may have a stripped tooth somewhere, but it still runs. But I want to upgrade, someday when I have money.

all my pets shit outdoors...

202 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:41:13pm

re: #193 Sharmuta

A ding for Beck, and if I could a ding for robots.

/posts will be light hearted for the night, so I don't invoke the IF rule.

203 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:42:02pm

re: #195 KansasMom

Noisy as hell though

Really? Mine is well over 20 yrs old. I use it at least once a week. Never an unusual sound.

204 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:42:14pm

re: #9 FrogMarch

Thanks for the consumer report, Charles. Very cool.

hmmm. I wonder how the felines would react?

For anyone interested in a good standard vacuum - I love my Miele. (mee-laaa)

I have heard reports of behavior ranging from riding it to to (more commonly) avoiding it like the plague.

205 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:42:26pm

re: #202 BlueCanuck

That video always makes me smile.

206 yochanan  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:43:06pm

re: #203 wahabicorridor

my wifie litter box cleaner can get rather loud and it hits too.

207 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:43:59pm

re: #13 Hucbald

Yeah sure. You say that now. Just wait until all the Roombas in the neighborhood network and develop a hive mind. You won't be laughing then.

Those things are dangerous. mark_my_words.

"Cannie, we have had the Roomba for ten years, and it has never once--quote, unquote, 'turned on us'."

"That doesn't mean it won't. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, that just means it's overdue."

--husband to wife in Jennifer Weiner's Certain Girls.

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:46:21pm

re: #55 Occasional Reader

I assume those bomb squad robots are called the "Boomba".

I don't know, but I like them a lot. Even more than the Roomba, they are doing jobs humans REALLY don't want to.

209 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:46:42pm

My impression of the Roomba is that the house has to be clean already before it can work.

210 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:46:49pm

I read a great book today. "The Last Ember" by Daniel Levin. "Da Vinci Code" meets "Indiana Jones."

Awesome, I could not put it down.

211 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:47:45pm

re: #209 Mich-again

My impression of the Roomba is that the house has to be clean already before it can work.

It won't pick up your dirty socks and empty beer cans, if that's what you mean.

212 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:49:36pm

re: #211 Alouette

3 kids, 2 dogs, don't get me started.

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:49:45pm

re: #123 Locker

Sorry just showed up but C how does it do with regard to shaggier carpet? Most of our house has this hideous dark green shag carpet and if it hangs up the little guy or prevents him from cleaning that would be an issue.

Thanks sorry if you already answered any link would do.

Imagining a Roomba, revving and struggling. "UP the shag. OVER the shag. THROUGH the shag. AROUND the shag! Gimme MORE!"

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:51:00pm

re: #129 Locker

We love our rice cooker for that purpose. It's probably made of aluminum but it really, really does a great job at set and forget rice. Even has a build in steam tray for veggies. Highly recommended.

I didn't have a rice cooker until I moved in with my husband, and his aunt gave us her old one. Now I cannot imagine how I ever lived without one.

215 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:51:08pm

Has Vince the ShamWow guy started pitching for the Roomba yet?

216 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:51:42pm

re: #213 SanFranciscoZionist

If the Roomba is a relatively new invention, it may not have a motion control algorithm for shag carpet. It might just spin around and burst into flames.
/

217 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:52:46pm

Ah, roomba. Just to stay on topic. :)

/warning the web comic is very NFSW in content not visual, the main character is a real prick, but the situations make sense if you have read a few months.

218 sngnsgt  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:54:14pm

re: #56 HelloDare

I saw a kitty ride a Roomba once, it was a riot.

219 BignJames  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:55:01pm

re: #215 Fenway_Nation

Has Vince the ShamWow guy started pitching for the Roomba yet?


Saw a slap chop spot this morning w/Vince singing.

220 Mauser  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:55:20pm

Also, iRobot, the manufacturer of the Roomba and Scooba (and a vacuum-less version for robotics hackers) are also the proud makers of the PackBot that the Military uses to scout caves and buildings and such.

221 Racer X  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:55:25pm

Pretty cool photos of Michigan.

Never knew it was so beautiful!

222 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:55:37pm

re: #214 SanFranciscoZionist

Rice cookers? Only used one in a bar/resteraunt. Used the pot and stove for my whole life before that. Measure water, measure rice. Boil water, pour rice in, turn down stove to low. 1/2 hour to 45 minutes rice is cooked.

/well depends on stove, but you learn by second batch the heat settings...

223 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:56:25pm

re: #200 Mich-again

I remember FORTRAN punch cards in College. Ugh.

I'm a big fan of the whole Bubble Memory slice of electronics history. We had so many of those cards and I never remember one failing. Incredibly reliable. I think you could dunk one in a bucket of water and it would work after it dried out. There are still quite a few in use in Industry BTW. But no one would ever make them again, so the people who need them hoard them.

I am well aware of that technology. Unfortunately, nostalgia doesn't work.

I have a funny story to tell you. This is back in the '70s. Penn State Comp Cntr.. Unlike many universities, the cards were free for the taking. 2000 to a box. You put your name and univ. acct # on the box and stowed the boxes on the shelving provided. I had a friend, Mike, who was a physics major working on a project for his Ph.D. Someone else thought his project was a threat to his own project. So he stole all Mike's cards. As I was the one key-punching all Mike's data onto the cards I knew exactly what he had and I knew when those boxes went missing. Campus Police - aka Keystone Kops - were notified. They got back to Mike about 2 weeks later with the results of their investigation.

The cards were the property of the university, as Mike had not paid for them. The only thing Mike personally owned were the holes I had punched into them, and they really weren't sure if Mike owned them or I did, as I was the one who actually punched those cards. And frankly, they didn't know how to track down holes.

No joke.

Fortunately, I kept duplicates of all my clients work under my own name and account so he was able to recover everything.

224 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:57:05pm

re: #191 karmic_inquisitor

OT: William Golding, author of Lord of the Flies, has admitted to raping a 15 year old.

[Link: entertainment.timesonline.co.uk...]

His admission comes as part of his memoirs.

So his admission comes when he is getting ready to sell a book?

Scumbag.

OK -Brilliant Scumbag. But a scumbag just the same.

Holy shit.

I knew I hated that novel.

What a...how old was he when this happened? I assume we're past whatever Britain's statute of limitations is.

I thought he was dead.

225 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:57:37pm

re: #206 yochanan

my wifie litter box cleaner can get rather loud and it hits too.

And I'm quite sure you deserve it. BTW - how many wives have you had?

226 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:58:33pm

re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought he was dead.

He's as good as dead now.

227 KansasMom  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:58:37pm

re: #203 wahabicorridor

Really? Mine is well over 20 yrs old. I use it at least once a week. Never an unusual sound.

Seriously? They aren't all noisy?
I have the professional 6-quart model...and its always been terribly noisy.
I'd love to have a smaller 4-qt model also, but simply don't have the space for it.

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:58:44pm

re: #216 Mich-again

If the Roomba is a relatively new invention, it may not have a motion control algorithm for shag carpet. It might just spin around and burst into flames.
/

THat would be bad.

229 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:00:48pm

re: #221 Racer X

Wisconsin and Minnesota are beautiful like that, too. Like Michigan (and unlike some other states, not mentioning any names) we like to keep our beauty a secret.

North Dakota has some incredibly beautiful landscape, too.

230 revobob  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:01:26pm

re: #221 Racer X

Pretty cool photos of Michigan.

Never knew it was so beautiful!

Mrs Revo and I took a 3-day motorcycle camping trip with another couple shortly before moving to CA. Went through Superior, Wisconsin and out to the Tehquamenon Falls park. Beautiful area- the whole Upper Peninsula is full of places like that. I would love to go back there! Thanks for linking those.

231 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:02:39pm

re: #227 KansasMom

Seriously? They aren't all noisy?

All I can say is that mine is not. And I got it in 1982.

232 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:02:55pm

re: #223 wahabicorridor

The cards were the property of the university, as Mike had not paid for them. The only thing Mike personally owned were the holes I had punched into them, and they really weren't sure if Mike owned them or I did, as I was the one who actually punched those cards. And frankly, they didn't know how to track down holes.

The pattern of the holes were Intellectual Property. IMO, the person who wrote the code owned them, not the one who punched the cards. Unless there were any swinging chads.

233 BignJames  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:04:07pm

re: #229 Noam Sayin'

Wisconsin and Minnesota are beautiful like that, too. Like Michigan (and unlike some other states, not mentioning any names) we like to keep our beauty a secret.

North Dakota has some incredibly beautiful landscape, too.


I could dig it...if it wasn't for that winter thing.

234 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:06:15pm

re: #221 Racer X

Pretty cool photos of Michigan.

Never knew it was so beautiful!

Gorgeous photos. Nice.

235 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:07:54pm

re: #232 Mich-again

The pattern of the holes were Intellectual Property. IMO, the person who wrote the code owned them, not the one who punched the cards. Unless there were any swinging chads.

ROTFLMAO!

I think you are being droll. In the event you are not, if you think campus cops are about to engage in a legalistic conversation at a university about 'intellectual property' I promise you their privates would shrivel to the size of peanuts at the very thought.

Give 'em a good car theft case - they're on it.

236 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:08:26pm

re: #221 Racer X

Parts of Michigan remind me of Ontario. I have driven through most parts of Michigan. I have relatives on the lake, and I have rode from Saulte Ste. Marie to Grayling. Beautiful. I still prefer my province over the state. :)

/we have a really big province...

237 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:09:04pm

off to bed - nite everyone!

238 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:11:52pm

re: #237 wahabicorridor

off to bed - nite everyone!

Laila tov.

239 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:12:36pm

I have had the weirdest couple of days. My old job called me back at the last screaming minute and asked me to come back full time.

240 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:13:32pm

re: #237 wahabicorridor

Weet dreams.

241 Macker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:13:36pm

re: #198 Racer X

Tropical Storm Spotted on Saturn's Moon Titan

Point of Inquiry: Doesn't Titan also possess massive quantities of hydrocarbons?

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:14:39pm

re: #241 Macker

Point of Inquiry: Doesn't Titan also possess massive quantities of hydrocarbons?

It's fattening?
/

243 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:14:41pm

re: #241 Macker

Point of Inquiry: Doesn't Titan also possess massive quantities of hydrocarbons?

I thought hydrocarbons were the result of decaying organic matter?

244 revobob  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:14:57pm

re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist

I have had the weirdest couple of days. My old job called me back at the last screaming minute and asked me to come back full time.


SEre: #241 Macker


E!!! Obama TOLD us the recession was over!
/channeling Avanti

245 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:15:01pm

re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist

Congratulations! That sounds like good news!

246 Macker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:16:23pm

re: #244 revobob

ha ha ha

247 tradewind  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:16:36pm

re: #12 jcm

'Come with me if you want to clean'

248 BignJames  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:18:14pm

re: #243 Mich-again

I thought hydrocarbons were the result of decaying organic matter?


Check out "Abiotic Genesis"

249 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:18:58pm

re: #241 Macker

Yes, yes it does. A fact mentioned in the article. One thing I have read is that oil may come from non biologic means.

/no dinosaurs or such type biotics

250 Mauser  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:19:47pm

My dad told me about the debate raging between programmers who used Hollerith cards and those who used paper tape. The Hollerith user pointed out how easy it was for him to edit code by sticking in a new card. The Paper Tape user stood on a desk and threw his program on the floor and challenged the card user to do the same.

Of course, magnetic tape came along and rendered the point moot.

251 tradewind  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:20:19pm

re: #215 Fenway_Nation

I'm worried about the guy... hope he doesn't follow in Billy's footsteps, but he is waaay jacked up. It's not worth it Vince...take it down a notch.

252 revobob  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:20:21pm

Metahne is well known as a component of cattle flatus- maybe the one that jumped over the moon overshot and ended up on Titan??

253 Macker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:22:00pm

re: #249 BlueCanuck

Yes, yes it does. A fact mentioned in the article. One thing I have read is that oil may come from non biologic means.

/no dinosaurs or such type biotics

That should require the el cubos to STFU then! Good!

254 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:23:54pm

re: #253 Macker

Trouble is that the science is not conclusive. Too much white noise in the equations for both sides. Not a believer on one side or the other. Just know that there is more research to be done on the whole thing.

255 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:26:28pm

Hi, everyone. I just got back from GenCon down in Indianapolis. Nice mini-vacation, only marred by the fact that I went over budget.

256 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:27:12pm

If you have not seen this clip Killgore shared the other morning of Kseniya Simonova doing sand animation- check it out. Simply amazing; beautiful:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

257 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:27:24pm

re: #254 BlueCanuck

I think what it says is that there must be some other way for hydrocarbons to form other than through decaying organic matter. But that's not enough to say that other way is how it happened here.

258 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:27:57pm

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

Hi, everyone. I just got back from GenCon down in Indianapolis. Nice mini-vacation, only marred by the fact that I went over budget.

Wish I knew you were in the neighborhood...How was GenCon This year?

259 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:28:03pm

I drive by the maker of Roomba most days.

And I would think of getting one, but the way my dogs hate vacuum cleaners, well, I don't want to see a fight between them and the robot.
One dog has attacked a vacuum cleaner; we have to crate him if we're vacuuming. And he'll attack brooms as well.

260 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:29:12pm

re: #259 Kosh's Shadow

One dog has attacked a vacuum cleaner; we have to crate him if we're vacuuming. And he'll attack brooms as well.

I bet he likes laser pens too. Not.

261 revobob  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:31:41pm

re: #257 Mich-again

I think what it says is that there must be some other way for hydrocarbons to form other than through decaying organic matter. But that's not enough to say that other way is how it happened here.


Some of the implications of the energy cycles being found in deep-oceans vents may bear on this, and deep-bores in dry land have found sulfur metabolizing bacteria much deeper than was guessed. It will be interesting to see what we learn about long-term products of that cycle.

262 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:31:44pm

re: #258 HoosierHoops

Wish I knew you were in the neighborhood...How was GenCon This year?

Very good. The games were fun and there was a lot of stuff to buy. Plus, this year I had a hotel within walking distance of the Convention Center which reduced taxi costs.

263 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:34:00pm

re: #260 Mich-again

I bet he likes laser pens too. Not.

No, he hasn't gone after those. There seems to be something between dogs and vacuum cleaners.

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:34:54pm

re: #263 Kosh's Shadow

No, he hasn't gone after those. There seems to be something between dogs and vacuum cleaners.

They made hideous noises.

265 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:35:46pm

re: #263 Kosh's Shadow

No, he hasn't gone after those. There seems to be something between dogs and vacuum cleaners.

A vacuum cleaner is a menacing foe to anything with a tail.

266 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:41:15pm

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

You lucky bastard. That is my mecca. :)

/back in the days when TSR was the main sponsor, still I must go...

267 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:43:23pm

re: #266 BlueCanuck

You lucky bastard. That is my mecca. :)

/back in the days when TSR was the main sponsor, still I must go...

TSR?

268 spidly  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:45:03pm

pretty sure the kitties would hate the roomba, and brave dog would jump on the sofa and pee.

Really liked District 9 and Ooo! preview for a Megan Fox movie with her as a saucy scantily clad high school vampiress. Gotta be better than Transformers II

269 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:45:08pm

re: #256 Sharmuta

If you have not seen this clip Killgore shared the other morning of Kseniya Simonova doing sand animation- check it out. Simply amazing; beautiful:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Wow.

270 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:47:00pm

re: #232 Mich-again

The pattern of the holes were Intellectual Property. IMO, the person who wrote the code owned them, not the one who punched the cards. Unless there were any swinging chads.

I knew a Swinging Chad back in the 70s. He wore a maroon leisure suit and platform shoes, had this weird poofed hairstyle that would have embarrassed a televangelist. I think his wife shot him in about 1983.

271 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:48:51pm

re: #268 spidly

pretty sure the kitties would hate the roomba, and brave dog would jump on the sofa and pee.

Really liked District 9 and Ooo! preview for a Megan Fox movie with her as a saucy scantily clad high school vampiress. Gotta be better than Transformers II

The movie is called Jennifer's Body, and it's on my see list as well.

272 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:50:00pm

re: #270 Shiplord Kirel

I knew a Swinging Chad back in the 70s. He wore a maroon leisure suit and platform shoes, had this weird poofed hairstyle that would have embarrassed a televangelist. I think his wife shot him in about 1983.

Can you blame her?

273 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:50:09pm

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

TSR?

Yeah, the original creators of D&D. Tactical Strategic Recreations.

274 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:50:33pm

re: #270 Shiplord Kirel

I think he went on to become dangling Chad before becoming syphllitic Chad...//

275 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:50:59pm

re: #273 BlueCanuck

Yeah, the original creators of D&D. Tactical Strategic Recreations.

Tactical Studies Rules, right?

276 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:51:30pm

re: #269 Last Mohican

I didn't know live art could be so moving.

277 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:52:19pm

re: #274 Fenway_Nation

I think he went on to become dangling Chad before becoming syphllitic Chad...//

Thankfully penicillin cured him and he showed as a Hanging Chad again in Florida back in 2001.

278 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:53:26pm

re: #275 Last Mohican

Tactical Studies Rules, right?

Yes sir, you are correct. I am still a player of that type of game. :)

279 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:53:38pm

re: #270 Shiplord Kirel

I knew a Swinging Chad back in the 70s. He wore a maroon leisure suit and platform shoes, had this weird poofed hairstyle that would have embarrassed a televangelist. I think his wife shot him in about 1983.


Sounds like a Will Ferrel movie..

280 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:55:22pm

re: #256 Sharmuta

If you have not seen this clip Killgore shared the other morning of Kseniya Simonova doing sand animation- check it out. Simply amazing; beautiful:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

That was amazing...she is incredible

281 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:55:38pm

re: #278 BlueCanuck

Yes sir, you are correct. I am still a player of that type of game. :)

I have a lot of RPG players in my gaming group. D&D variations are still fairly popular among Chicago gamers.

282 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:55:52pm

re: #278 BlueCanuck

Yes sir, you are correct. I am still a player of that type of game. :)

I still remember the excitement when TSR got its act together a bit more than previously and released the AD&D books.

283 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:57:20pm

re: #280 Desert Dog

It was incredible. (You and Last Mohican could give Killgore a ding for sharing.)

284 esch  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:58:01pm

re: #282 Last Mohican

I still remember the excitement when TSR got its act together a bit more than previously and released the AD&D books.

Man I'm a geek. I still have the first editions all boxed up in the closet. Yes and the 'special' Deities and Demigods.

285 Bagua  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:59:54pm

re: #257 Mich-again

I think what it says is that there must be some other way for hydrocarbons to form other than through decaying organic matter. But that's not enough to say that other way is how it happened here.

American Physical Society, APS March Meeting, March 5-9, 2007, abstract #D23.009

The concept of the abiotic deep genesis of hydrocarbons, developing during the last 50 years in Russia, recognizes petroleum as a primordial material of deep origin erupted into the crust of the Earth. Until recently, this concept was a geologists' hypothesis. Now, theoretical arguments and experimental results place the modern theory of the abiotic deep genesis of hydrocarbons in the mainstream of modern thermodynamics, experimental physics and physical chemistry. Recent experimental results confirm the possibility of hydrocarbon synthesis under conditions of the upper mantle. The mixture of the hydrocarbons has been obtained as a result of chemical reactions in the system CaCO3-H2O-FeO at pressures of 3-5 kbar and at temperatures of 1200-1500 K.

Two different paths of hydrocarbons synthesis were detected using X-ray, mass-spectrometer and chromatograph analysis. These experimental demonstrations of the spontaneous, high-pressure genesis of hydrocarbons can be accepted as partial proof of the modern theory of petroleum. Modern Russian petroleum science allows application of a new approach to methods for petroleum exploration, oil and gas formation, and to reexamine the world's hydrocarbons reserves.

286 realwest  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:00:26pm

re: #284 esch
Hey esch - sorry to go OT here, but this is from the Windows 7 thread which I got to too late!
Uh, on the Amazon page there's a line that says: "Buy Windows Vista Today, Get Windows 7 for $9.99"
Can this tech-tard reasonably assume that Windows 7 will be compatible with Vista?!

287 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:01:29pm

re: #211 Alouette

It [Roomba] won't pick up your dirty socks and empty beer cans, if that's what you mean.

And that brings me to the question that I had been wanting to ask.

Has anyone figured out a way to hack a Roomba? I'd like to figure out a way to make it water my plants when I'm away, fill the dog's food bowl, and (most importantly of all) pick up dirty socks from the floor and put them in the hamper. Some of these things would require extra attachments, of course.

288 Bagua  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:03:16pm

[Link to the quote I posted: ADS]

289 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:04:20pm

re: #256 Sharmuta

If you have not seen this clip Killgore shared the other morning of Kseniya Simonova doing sand animation- check it out. Simply amazing; beautiful:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Beautiful. The Metallica soundtrack from 6:40 on was interesting.

290 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:04:42pm

Day four of the Rattle My Bones scooter rally... is going to be a little wet.

Now I'm kinda glad I dumped $80 on a rain jacket.

291 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:05:17pm

re: #283 Sharmuta

It was incredible. (You and Last Mohican could give Killgore a ding for sharing.)

Truly incredible. Probably much more so even, if I were Ukranian, and understood the significance of the music choices and everything.

Anyway, I'll certainly thank KT the next time he's around.

292 Bagua  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:05:40pm

re: #286 realwest


Better to skip the useless dog Vista and start out by buying Windows 7 from the LGF store link.

I've had Windows 7 RC for months now an it's a nice improvement to XP Pro.

293 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:05:42pm

re: #283 Sharmuta

It was incredible. (You and Last Mohican could give Killgore a ding for sharing.)

Done

294 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:06:25pm

re: #290 Noam Sayin'

I'm going to have to make that one a drive-by. I just realized it's midnight and I should get some sleeps before our ride tomorrow.

295 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:06:53pm

re: #291 Last Mohican

Truly incredible. Probably much more so even, if I were Ukranian, and understood the significance of the music choices and everything.

Anyway, I'll certainly thank KT the next time he's around.

Looking at the artist, the judge and the audience, I would conclude Ukrainians are a "handsome" group of people too

296 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:06:54pm

re: #291 Last Mohican

Probably much more so even, if I were Ukranian, and understood the significance of the music choices and everything.

The last minute and a half was Metallica.

297 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:07:41pm

re: #281 Dark_Falcon
I have played all versions except for 3.5 and 4. My group thinks that 3.5 is broken, and four is too simplistic.

re: #284 esch

Hold onto that version. it's almost worth it's weight in gold.

re: #282 Last Mohican

I started with AD&D in high school. It was wonderful.

298 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:07:57pm

re: #289 Mich-again

Beautiful. The Metallica soundtrack from 6:40 on was interesting.

Yeah, that didn't work for me.

Is this all unedited? At about 2:02, she does this little move with her hand in the lower left corner of the screen, in which she draws a bunch of people in about a tenth of a second. It seems like they must have sped up the tape for that part. Could she possibly have done something so detailed so quickly?

299 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:08:17pm

re: #280 Desert Dog

That was amazing...she is incredible

Wow. That is spectacular.

Do other people do this as an art form? It's pretty amazing. Never heard of it.

300 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:09:08pm

re: #292 Bagua

Better to skip the useless dog Vista and start out by buying Windows 7 from the LGF store link.

I've had Windows 7 RC for months now an it's a nice improvement to XP Pro.

I know your advice was intended for Realwest, I still thank you for it. I"m planning to do just that and get a new PC with Windows 7.

301 swamprat  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:09:13pm

re: #299 SanFranciscoZionist

indians

302 Bagua  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:09:15pm

re: #286 realwest

Yep, highly likely that anything that will run Vista will run Windows 7. There may be a wait for some drivers but most of the up to date components already have Win7 drivers, or work ok with Windows Drivers.

303 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:09:50pm

re: #298 Last Mohican

It seems like they must have sped up the tape for that part. Could she possibly have done something so detailed so quickly?

She is the Bob Ross of sand art.

304 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:10:35pm

re: #291 Last Mohican

Truly incredible. Probably much more so even, if I were Ukranian, and understood the significance of the music choices and everything.

Anyway, I'll certainly thank KT the next time he's around.

Yes- I think knowing more of the history would have helped, but the real beauty of the art was I didn't need it. I felt it, and it put me on the brink of tears myself. Moving.

305 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:11:48pm

re: #299 SanFranciscoZionist

Wow. That is spectacular.

Do other people do this as an art form? It's pretty amazing. Never heard of it.

Me neither. There were a bunch of "related links" on Youtube, with similar performances. None seemed to be as moving as this one, though.

One thing I did discover recently was sand sculpting. Not really related to sand animation, of course, but still interesting.

306 Randall Gross  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:11:51pm

re: #291 Last Mohican

Truly incredible. Probably much more so even, if I were Ukranian, and understood the significance of the music choices and everything.

Anyway, I'll certainly thank KT the next time he's around.

It ended with instrumental / orchestral version of a Metallica song if I"m not mistaken.

307 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:11:53pm

re: #299 SanFranciscoZionist

Wow. That is spectacular.

Do other people do this as an art form? It's pretty amazing. Never heard of it.

When I was still turning the TV on from time to time, there was a series of advertisements using sand art (BP?). They were very cool.

308 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:12:00pm

re: #303 Mich-again

She is the Bob Ross of sand art.

She just needed to put a "happy little tree" in the corner.

309 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:13:16pm

re: #304 Sharmuta

I felt it, and it put me on the brink of tears myself. Moving.

I thought it was like a big Etch a Sketch and it was akin to cheating to be able to do more than just vertical and horizontal lines.

Very cool, but not quite awe inspiring for me. I figured the crowd was getting emotional because there was some cultural tie between the pictures and music.

310 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:13:25pm

re: #301 swamprat

indians

I've seen sand paintings, but not storytelling like that. Cool.

311 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:13:55pm

re: #302 Bagua

Yep, highly likely that anything that will run Vista will run Windows 7. There may be a wait for some drivers but most of the up to date components already have Win7 drivers, or work ok with Windows Drivers.

Yup..The major rewrite was to the Kernel...Most of the drivers are still build upon the 32 bit C routines.

312 Randall Gross  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:13:59pm

Nothing else matters I think is the song, could be wrong

313 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:14:27pm

re: #308 Desert Dog

She just needed to put a "happy little tree" in the corner.

And a winding trail to a happy little cabin.

314 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:14:31pm

re: #295 Desert Dog

Looking at the artist, the judge and the audience, I would conclude Ukrainians are a "handsome" group of people too

They all did seem to be very good-looking.

315 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:14:55pm

re: #312 Thanos

Nothing else matters I think is the song, could be wrong

You are right there. Nothing Else Matters..

316 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:14:59pm

re: #312 Thanos

Nothing else matters I think is the song, could be wrong

THat's what my husband IDed it as.

317 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:15:36pm

re: #306 Thanos

It ended with instrumental / orchestral version of a Metallica song if I"m not mistaken.

The string ensemble piece at the end? Really?

Someone had better clarify this, or else I'm gonna be forced to wade through all the idiot twelve-year-olds' comments on Youtube in search of information.

318 deesine  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:17:28pm

Would be cool if it cleaned itself out at the docking station. Even more cool would be if it had a Fetch Beer function.

319 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:17:34pm

Metallica: Nothing Else Matters

320 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:17:43pm

re: #309 Mich-again

I thought it was like a big Etch a Sketch and it was akin to cheating to be able to do more than just vertical and horizontal lines.

Very cool, but not quite awe inspiring for me. I figured the crowd was getting emotional because there was some cultural tie between the pictures and music.

Etch-a-Sketchist!

321 Bagua  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:18:02pm

re: #309 Mich-again

[...] I figured the crowd was getting emotional because there was some cultural tie between the pictures and music.

Just the WWII imagery was powerful to anyone from any culture that was touched by the horror.

322 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:18:38pm

re: #318 deesine

Would be cool if it cleaned itself out at the docking station. Even more cool would be if it had a Fetch Beer function.

Oh my goodness, you're right.

I mean, the "fetch beer" function would be a little more complicated, but there's absolutely no reason why the thing couldn't clean itself out at the docking station. Then it would be truly fully automatic.

323 Randall Gross  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:18:46pm

Here's the version used, by Apocalyptica

324 swamprat  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:19:05pm

re: #317 Last Mohican

The string ensemble piece at the end? Really?

Someone had better clarify this, or else I'm gonna be forced to wade through all the idiot twelve-year-olds' comments on Youtube in search of information.

325 NY Nana  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:20:36pm

re: #311 HoosierHoops

I left this for you on a very dead thread. ;)

326 spidly  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:20:43pm

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

The movie is called Jennifer's Body, and it's on my see list as well.

They should have just made Transformers II into Megan Fox running away in slo-mo from shit blowing up. Only good parts of that movie.

327 Randall Gross  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:20:57pm

Kaseys' got her head in my lap and is looking forlorn, think she wants us to go upstairs and sleep... She's just like a two year old.

328 Randall Gross  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:22:21pm

re: #324 swamprat

Or maybe that's the one used.

329 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:22:31pm

re: #325 NY Nana

I left this for you on a very dead thread. ;)

Good Morning! That was a fun posts..Trashing Nike without a lawsuit..At least not yet..How are you this morning?

330 freetoken  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:22:37pm

There is a possibility of a tropical storm developing, with NOLA in its sights:

[Link: www.wunderground.com...]

Should be rather rainy even if the winds aren't too high.

331 Bagua  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:23:41pm

re: #330 freetoken

Always with the Weather Alarmism.

/ ;-)

332 swamprat  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:25:45pm

re: #328 Thanos

Listening while watching perpetual motion vids on youtube. Surreal.

333 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:25:50pm

re: #326 spidly

They should have just made Transformers II into Megan Fox running away in slo-mo from shit blowing up. Only good parts of that movie.

And it's review like that that kept me from seeing that movie. I will watch it, at least in part, when it goes on HBO. But I'm not paying just to to see it.

334 NY Nana  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:28:15pm

re: #329 HoosierHoops

Good Morning! That was a fun posts..Trashing Nike without a lawsuit..At least not yet..How are you this morning?

Is it morning? Oh, no, what does a night owl do?

I cannot remember the last time my kids wore Nikes, BTW.

I am the same...still 12 years old! Honest...just check my avatar.

How are you doing?

335 spidly  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:28:58pm

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

netflix or dvr. it really needs to be fast forwarded a lot.

336 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:29:04pm

re: #303 Mich-again

She is the Bob Ross of sand art.

Big upding for actually knowing the name of that guy. He inhabits such a little-accessed backwater recess of my memory that I'm not even entirely sure that I didn't dream him.

I think I've seen his show maybe two times. On some obscure UHF channel. Years ago. When I was single, unemployed, living in a cluttered studio apartment in a sketchy neighborhood. Polishing off some leftover chow mein at about 2 AM, without even bothering to reheat it first. And even then I think I changed the channel after about two minutes or so.

A quote from Bob Ross:

"I got a letter from somebody here a while back, and they said, 'Bob, everything in your world seems to be happy.' That's for sure. That's why I paint. It's because I can create the kind of world that I want, and I can make this world as happy as I want it. Shoot, if you want bad stuff, watch the news."
337 swamprat  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:29:16pm

re: #330 freetoken


Have you ever been drunk in fort Worth?

338 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:29:53pm

re: #325 NY Nana

I left this for you on a very dead thread. ;)

oh you asked me a question on that thread...Sorry..
I spent 1 week in Boston when I was a junior in College..I was born and raised in California...Transfered to Indiana for my job...If I was a Boston boy...I'd be a southie..Trust me on that..*wink*

339 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:31:09pm

re: #285 Bagua

American Physical Society, APS March Meeting, March 5-9, 2007, abstract #D23.009

The concept of the abiotic deep genesis of hydrocarbons, developing during the last 50 years in Russia, recognizes petroleum as a primordial material of deep origin erupted into the crust of the Earth. Until recently, this concept was a geologists' hypothesis. Now, theoretical arguments and experimental results place the modern theory of the abiotic deep genesis of hydrocarbons in the mainstream of modern thermodynamics, experimental physics and physical chemistry. Recent experimental results confirm the possibility of hydrocarbon synthesis under conditions of the upper mantle. The mixture of the hydrocarbons has been obtained as a result of chemical reactions in the system CaCO3-H2O-FeO at pressures of 3-5 kbar and at temperatures of 1200-1500 K.

Two different paths of hydrocarbons synthesis were detected using X-ray, mass-spectrometer and chromatograph analysis. These experimental demonstrations of the spontaneous, high-pressure genesis of hydrocarbons can be accepted as partial proof of the modern theory of petroleum. Modern Russian petroleum science allows application of a new approach to methods for petroleum exploration, oil and gas formation, and to reexamine the world's hydrocarbons reserves.

Well there's only one problem with that. There is no indication from anything I have read that carbon dating puts any existing petroleum production at a pre-cambrian age. One would think that, based on the theory, that coal could be found before the evolution of plants and that oil and gas reserves would be found in pre-carboniferous sediments and meta-sediments. They aren't. So the point is moot.

Any hope that the earth will will suddenly replenish the petroleum stock that we are mining from the earth at our present rate is fantasy. Same with coal. We've got 200 years of coal left and much less than that for oil and gas. Time for a new paradigm.

340 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:31:30pm

re: #321 Bagua

Just the WWII imagery was powerful to anyone from any culture that was touched by the horror.

I think I reacted to that, the most, and knowing Ukrainians, that was a big part of it. But also, a war story is a war story. I think you could have shown that one for any culture in the world.

341 freetoken  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:31:35pm

re: #337 swamprat

Have you ever been drunk in fort Worth?

Why do I feel that this is a set-up to a joke?

/answer to your question is no.

342 freetoken  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:32:58pm

re: #339 austin_blue

Abiotic oil is one of those crazy ideas that is getting a foothold among certain parts of the right-o-sphere. Corsi was pimping the idea back when oil was setting price highs.

343 freetoken  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:33:49pm

Speaking of crazy ideas, the following definitely has to go into the overnight spin-offs:

Bold, conservative Bachmann hints at 'Mrs. President' future

344 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:34:51pm

re: #337 swamprat

Have you ever been drunk in fort Worth?

Um...yes. Fort Worth Yacht Club regatta in 1977. Crewed on the My Cup (quarter tonner). Evil hangover.

345 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:35:14pm

The Science Channel has a show on about China's Sand storms..Amazing show...

346 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:35:50pm

re: #343 freetoken

Speaking of crazy ideas, the following definitely has to go into the overnight spin-offs:

Bold, conservative Bachmann hints at 'Mrs. President' future

Oh God. This is the one who felt her fellow members of Congress should be investigated for anti-American agendas, right?

347 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:36:38pm

re: #340 SanFranciscoZionist

I think I reacted to that, the most, and knowing Ukrainians, that was a big part of it. But also, a war story is a war story. I think you could have shown that one for any culture in the world.

It's a part of human experience and it affects all of us.

348 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:38:11pm

re: #342 freetoken

Abiotic oil is one of those crazy ideas that is getting a foothold among certain parts of the right-o-sphere. Corsi was pimping the idea back when oil was setting price highs.

Well, sure, but it's such a blue sky concept that it begs a sanity check. Even if true, one must assume it is a terribly slow process, given the diminished oil fields we have and the fact that they have not "recovered".

349 NY Nana  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:38:12pm

re: #338 HoosierHoops

I spent 1 week in Boston when I was a junior in College..I was born and raised in California...Transfered to Indiana for my job...If I was a Boston boy...I'd be a southie..Trust me on that..*wink*

Boston must have seemed so small to you! I grew up there, and 'wicked good' was not used back in the Dark Ages.

Most of my first cousins now live in LA and also Orange County. I have never been out there.

Southie now may be a bit different than the one you remember.

350 swamprat  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:40:38pm

re: #341 freetoken

We used to have lizard who constantly would post weather items and mention that he had been inebriated in any given city.

Long story. We used to have a weatherman on lgf.

351 Bagua  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:40:52pm

re: #339 austin_blue

For the record, I don't support the hypothesis in anyway and always thought of it as a crank idea as well. Part-wishful thinking and part jumping to conclusions after having lucked into so oil reserves a bit deeper than expected.

352 freetoken  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:41:24pm

re: #348 austin_blue

Whenever oil breaks another price record, expect to see all sorts of crazy ideas being pimped to desperate people.

353 spidly  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:41:55pm

re: #342 freetoken

Abiotic oil is one of those crazy ideas that is getting a foothold among certain parts of the right-o-sphere. Corsi was pimping the idea back when oil was setting price highs.

totally nuts like thermolytic depolymerization - cheaper than wind and solar. And if we're 200 years out on coal and oil, how about we wait about a hundred years and see if an alternative comes around that doesn't bankrupt us and doesn't require deforestation? just a thought.

354 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:42:19pm

re: #309 Mich-again

I thought it was like a big Etch a Sketch and it was akin to cheating to be able to do more than just vertical and horizontal lines.

Very cool, but not quite awe inspiring for me. I figured the crowd was getting emotional because there was some cultural tie between the pictures and music.

The 1930's and 1940's were tough on the Ukrainians. Before the war, 7-8 million of them died of hunger in the "Ukrainian Holocaust," following collectivization of farming by the Soviet Union. Then they were overrun by the Nazis, and another 7-10 million of them were killed, out of a pre-war population of about 42 million.

355 freetoken  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:42:48pm

re: #350 swamprat

Hmmm... maybe I remember that...

Anyway, I had relatives in NOLA, until they were permanently displaced by Katrina. Real tragedy.

356 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:44:59pm

re: #349 NY Nana

Boston must have seemed so small to you! I grew up there, and 'wicked good' was not used back in the Dark Ages.

Most of my first cousins now live in LA and also Orange County. I have never been out there.

Southie now may be a bit different than the one you remember.

I loved Boston...We hung out for a week down by the famous music school..I think it was called Berkley..Honest to God stayed on Symphony Street...
I could live in Boston.. I became a huge Celtics fan...All things the Sox Nation...I'd kick Matt Damon's ass...LOL

357 Wendya  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:46:58pm

re: #309 Mich-again

I thought it was like a big Etch a Sketch and it was akin to cheating to be able to do more than just vertical and horizontal lines.

Very cool, but not quite awe inspiring for me. I figured the crowd was getting emotional because there was some cultural tie between the pictures and music.

She was depicting the invasion and occupation of Ukraine during WWII.

358 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:47:08pm

re: #355 freetoken

Hmmm... maybe I remember that...

Anyway, I had relatives in NOLA, until they were permanently displaced by Katrina. Real tragedy.

I'm so sorry.

359 Bagua  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:47:32pm

re: #354 Last Mohican


Or more accurately the Ukranian Holodomor.

360 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:49:03pm

re: #351 Bagua

For the record, I don't support the hypothesis in anyway and always thought of it as a crank idea as well. Part-wishful thinking and part jumping to conclusions after having lucked into so oil reserves a bit deeper than expected.

Hey, on the day the Challenger blew, I returned to my office in Lafayette after sitting as the well head geologist on a Shell play in beautiful Hellhole Bayou, Louisiana. A 27,600 foot duster with two kickoffs. $5,000,000 mud bill. Total cost was probably around $14 million. But I did get my Five Mile Pin!

At some point you get into diminishing returns with depth. Hellaciously expensive. Any new oil discoveries in the US will be very expensive to produce. We have plucked the low hanging fruit.

361 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:49:25pm

re: #338 HoosierHoops

spent 1 week in Boston when I was a junior in College..

I think everyone spends a week in Boston when they're in college, and everyone loves it.

However, I've heard 22- and 23-year olds say "I can't live in Boston anymore. I just feel too old for that town now."

362 Karridine  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:50:42pm

I'm late to the party... has there been any discussion of the now-viral Obama-Joker phenomenon?

A good (creepy) video of Obama's own words here...

363 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:52:20pm

I report with great confusion and unease that if you put a bound copy of the U.S. Constitution on your Amazon Wishlist, the Amazon recommendations program suggests that you might want a copy of Ron Paul's book to go with it.

That ain't RIGHT!

364 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:52:30pm
365 freetoken  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:54:05pm

re: #360 austin_blue

We have plucked the low hanging fruit.


Unfortunately, many of our fellow Americans aren't really aware of this. I wish more people were serious about how intimately we rely on oil, and the economic consequences of our inability to meet our needs. I post oil related spin-offs occasionally... but it gets old I guess.

366 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:55:17pm

re: #362 Karridine

I'm late to the party... has there been any discussion of the now-viral Obama-Joker phenomenon?

A good (creepy) video of Obama's own words here...

Creepy is right. That vid is scary.

367 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:55:59pm

re: #361 Last Mohican

I think everyone spends a week in Boston when they're in college, and everyone loves it.

However, I've heard 22- and 23-year olds say "I can't live in Boston anymore. I just feel too old for that town now."

The subway was fun...Calling my mom from the Harvard Library and saying..Ma..I finally made it into Harvard...The girls on the Commons...OMG real subs! Hot subs in a basement in Boston listening to music..
That was a great week...Oh.. I bought a pounded silver necklace for some girl back home...{censored} Ahh yes..memories...I liked Boston..

368 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:56:56pm

re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist

I report with great confusion and unease that if you put a bound copy of the U.S. Constitution on your Amazon Wishlist, the Amazon recommendations program suggests that you might want a copy of Ron Paul's book to go with it.

That ain't RIGHT!

That's a very serious problem. Word like "liberty", "Freedom" and "Constitution" are becoming buzzwords used by extremists. Unfortunately, not enough people are concerned with preserving these words and their original meaning. Big trouble.

369 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:58:05pm

HH, And Boston thanked you for leaving some money there!
*waves*

370 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:58:49pm

re: #364 Last Mohican

I wonder if that Ukrainian woman realized that her performance on "Ukraine's Got Talent" would end up resulting in folks like me sitting in America, learning about the tragedies of Ukrainian history.


I brushed up on it too after watching. I'm Ukrainian on my mom's side, here parents left in the late 30's. I'll ask her about them next time we talk.

371 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:59:22pm

re: #369 Floral Giraffe

HH, And Boston thanked you for leaving some money there!
*waves*

Good Morning! Hope today finds you well..Can't sleep

372 NY Nana  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:02:11pm

Your text to link...re: #356 HoosierHoops

I loved Boston...We hung out for a week down by the famous music school..I think it was called Berkley..Honest to God stayed on Symphony Street...
I could live in Boston.. I became a huge Celtics fan...All things the Sox Nation...I'd kick Matt Damon's ass...LOL

I think this may be the music school. It really is a lovely, compact city, and I have not been back for years, as my parents zt"l are buried near the RI border.

Do you have any idea what it is like for a member of the Red Sox Nation to live about 10 miles away from Yankee Stadium (Booo!) in the 'burbs? ;)

I hope that you get to go back!

I am going to say g'nite, Lizards, sweet dreams, as NY Grampa is giving me 'The Look'! ;)

I will turn into a pumpkin in 10, 9, 8, 7...

373 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:02:17pm

re: #364 Last Mohican

I wonder if that Ukrainian woman realized that her performance on "Ukraine's Got Talent" would end up resulting in folks like me sitting in America, learning about the tragedies of Ukrainian history.

Art is beautiful.

374 Bagua  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:02:26pm

re: #365 freetoken

Agreed it's silly to think there's much easy Crude to find just by drilling a bit deeper and such and somehow only a few crazed Ruskies have cottoned on.

I never grow tired of talking about Oil.

375 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:04:07pm

Popular Obama fansite CNN.com is currently covering its front page with stories related to Obamacare. Their "political blog" has devoted a "fact check" piece to investigating whether certain popular beliefs about the health care bills are correct. Needless to say, they conclude that Obama and the Dems are right on every single point.

The most useful part of the coverage is this: links to both the house and senate versions of the bill.

376 sngnsgt  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:04:43pm

While Barry pushes his health care plans on America that nobody wants, in the mean time:

Chicago City Government Closed For Business On Monday

Chicago.com

377 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:05:11pm

Odd. When I click new comments I get a small square show up for a moment just off and lower left of the auto box.

378 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:05:15pm

re: #371 HoosierHoops

Good morning??? It's 11 pm here. Fog is in & it's great!
What're you up to?

379 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:05:34pm

re: #372 NY Nana

Good Night Nana...May you and grandpa find grace when you awake in the morning...Sweet Dreams

380 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:05:44pm

re: #365 freetoken

Unfortunately, many of our fellow Americans aren't really aware of this. I wish more people were serious about how intimately we rely on oil, and the economic consequences of our inability to meet our needs. I post oil related spin-offs occasionally... but it gets old I guess.

We really need to increase our nuclear capacity, and do it soonest. We will absolutely need our coal and petroleum reserves for plastics and fertilizers and everything else that hydrocarbons help produce. This concept that there is a disconnect between between cap and trade and future economic viability is a straw dog pushed by extractive industries, who want to make their money *now* and fuck us in the long run. There is simply no replacement for hydrocarbons in numerous industries. We can't be wasting our limited reserves, if you look 500 years down the road, on energy production. Neither can the rest of the planet.

Think this will change the third world's mind unless we lead the way? I don't

381 Bagua  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:06:10pm

re: #377 Sharmuta

What have you been drinking?

382 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:06:20pm

re: #372 NY Nana

HoosierHoops meant the Berklee College of Music. But the New England Conservatory is certainly worthy of mention too.

383 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:06:47pm

re: #376 sngnsgt

While Barry pushes his health care plans on America that nobody wants, in the mean time:

Chicago City Government Closed For Business On Monday

Chicago.com

Perhaps the fad will catch on? Let's have the Fed take off a few months.

384 Bagua  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:06:48pm

re: #379 HoosierHoops

Good night Hoosier, thanks for the Win 7 details.

385 NY Nana  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:07:00pm

re: #372 NY Nana

The link is good...how on earth did I do that..here it is again.

Aaaargh! I am starting to turn orange!

386 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:07:06pm

re: #378 Floral Giraffe

Good morning??? It's 11 pm here. Fog is in & it's great!
What're you up to?

It's 2am here in Indiana...I'm crazy enough to go skinny dipping by 4am in the backyard...Don't dare me! *wink*

387 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:07:22pm

re: #370 Killgore Trout

I brushed up on it too after watching. I'm Ukrainian on my mom's side, here parents left in the late 30's. I'll ask her about them next time we talk.

Thank you again for posting the video.

388 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:07:55pm

re: #377 Sharmuta

Odd. When I click new comments I get a small square show up for a moment just off and lower left of the auto box.

It's a glitch in the Matrix...the agents are on their way to your house now

389 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:08:37pm

re: #387 Last Mohican

My pleasure.

390 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:09:18pm

re: #386 HoosierHoops

Double dog dare you?
YES!
And a cannon ball entry is worth 2 points extra.
( DO NOT hit Winston)
Do you have a tire swing?

391 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:09:21pm

re: #377 Sharmuta

Odd. When I click new comments I get a small square show up for a moment just off and lower left of the auto box.

I get a little animated "wait a second" circle thingy in that location. Maybe you're getting just a square because the animation won't load for you, for some reason.

392 NY Nana  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:09:30pm

re: #379 HoosierHoops

And the same to you! Ouch! NY Grampa want to turn my 'puter off, for some odd reason..past our bed time.

/Pumpkin pie, anyone?

393 Bagua  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:09:57pm

re: #380 austin_blue

What you've said is far too logical to expect to save us from the impending doom.

394 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:10:46pm

re: #385 NY Nana

The link is good...how on earth did I do that..here it is again.

Aaaargh! I am starting to turn orange!

That's not it..It was Berkley or Berklee school of music..I met a few cool jazz players there and went to a gig at a party..They just brought the house down..I don't know if anybody realizes this or not..People in Boston know how to party..And play music..

395 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:11:27pm

The Metallica song at the end is "Nothing else matters"

396 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:11:45pm

Sure, anyone can paint with sand, but only certain people, certain women actually, can paint like this

397 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:13:37pm

re: #393 Bagua

What you've said is far too logical to expect to save us from the impending doom.

Once instance where "the nuclear option" would be a positive, eh?

398 freetoken  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:13:38pm

re: #380 austin_blue

We can't be wasting our limited reserves, if you look 500 years down the road, on energy production. Neither can the rest of the planet.

500 years? Boy, you are being generous.

We have an oil problem today.

Also, there is no truly critical analysis of likely coal production. At least in the sense that would satisfy scientific scrutiny. Certainly a great share of the coal reservers in this country won't be mined because the overlaying land is too valuable (think midwest.) Underground coal gasification is likely for our future, no? Even then, that wastes a non-trivial portion of the energy (and of course just adds more CO2 to the atmosphere.)

My summary of the 21st century: figuring out how to continue the wealth of the 20th century on a whole lot less non-renewable resources.

399 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:13:52pm

re: #395 Killgore Trout

The Metallica song at the end is "Nothing else matters"


[Video]

An instrumental cover thereof, apparently.

400 Bagua  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:14:27pm

re: #391 Last Mohican

Good grief, I'm getting another Scotch, I'm not seeing anything dance around on the screen yet.

401 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:15:16pm

re: #390 Floral Giraffe

Double dog dare you?
YES!
And a cannon ball entry is worth 2 points extra.
( DO NOT hit Winston)
Do you have a tire swing?

Honest to God..I'm sitting here in my Swimming trunks...This summer has sucked...Global warming let me down..It is finally hotter than hell and I am taking every advantage to jump in the pool and spash around..I bought a blow up boat for Winston...He floats around the pool looking cool...
LOL

402 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:15:41pm

re: #400 Bagua

Good grief, I'm getting another Scotch, I'm not seeing anything dance around on the screen yet.

I see it every time I click "new comments."

Either you don't have a recent enough version of Java, or you haven't had enough Scotch.

403 Bagua  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:16:03pm

re: #397 Desert Dog

Once instance where "the nuclear option" would be a positive, eh?

Sorry, don't understand your question.

404 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:17:04pm

re: #391 Last Mohican

I get a little animated "wait a second" circle thingy in that location. Maybe you're getting just a square because the animation won't load for you, for some reason.

It was the animation. I reloaded the page and the circle is back. Thanks.

405 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:17:20pm

re: #402 Last Mohican

I see it every time I click "new comments."

Either you don't have a recent enough version of Java, or you haven't had enough Scotch.

Nothing here. I am on Firefox 3.5.2 with a pretty speedy connection and a souped up PC

406 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:18:54pm

re: #405 Desert Dog

Nothing here. I am on Firefox 3.5.2 with a pretty speedy connection and a souped up PC

Maybe it's too souped up. Maybe your new comments load so quickly that the little animated circle doesn't have time to show up.

407 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:19:46pm

re: #393 Bagua

What you've said is far too logical to expect to save us from the impending doom.

Hey, Bagua, I trained in school as a petroleum geologist. Flew jets in the AF after. Worked the oil field until 1990 and went into environmental geology because I got dead tired of the boom and bust oil field life.

Now I wear a beeper as a first responder and keep things from blowing up (so far, so good). I'm a licensed Professional Geoscientist, and I've been around the block a few times. I'm also a life member of the Sierra Club and I vehemently disagree with their attitude on nuclear power generation. It is no time for half measures. cap and trade simply must be instituted to get the ball rolling.

408 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:21:39pm

re: #405 Desert Dog

Nothing here. I am on Firefox 3.5.2 with a pretty speedy connection and a souped up PC

For Pete's sake! Will someone write a snap-in for Firefox to run Oracle?
Why doesn't Oracle write it for R12? Pisses me off...
The best platform for running the cutting edge R12 is IE6..Just pathetic

409 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:22:06pm

re: #403 Bagua

Sorry, don't understand your question.

It was a reference to the "dreaded" nuclear option that was being dragged out by the Republicans in the Senate a few years back. In order to get around the filibusters the Democrats were undertaking to block judicial nominees, they suggested the "nuclear option" of changing the rules permanently. My inference was that it would be beneficial for the USA to adopt another kind of "nuclear option", the one that you and Austin were talking about. I am in agreement about building nuclear plants, as many and as fast as we can.

410 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:23:52pm

Sorry to leave just as things get good, but I'm too tired to continue. Goodnight, everyone.

411 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:24:31pm

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

Sorry to leave just as things get good, but I'm too tired to continue. Goodnight, everyone.

Good night!

412 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:25:31pm

re: #411 SanFranciscoZionist

Good Morning...ever eat at Tommy's Joint in the City?

413 Bagua  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:25:45pm

re: #398 freetoken

I'm with you on the oil shortage being a serious crisis.

re: #402 Last Mohican

I'm taking your advice and having another beverage

re: #405 Desert Dog

The circle thingie is a gift, like seeing auras.

re: #407 austin_blue

Thank you for the info about the Geoscience, I find it fascinating.

I know nuclear energy makes alot of people uneasy, including me, but it appears the only correct choice at present.

414 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:27:49pm

re: #398 freetoken

500 years? Boy, you are being generous.

We have an oil problem today.

Also, there is no truly critical analysis of likely coal production. At least in the sense that would satisfy scientific scrutiny. Certainly a great share of the coal reservers in this country won't be mined because the overlaying land is too valuable (think midwest.) Underground coal gasification is likely for our future, no? Even then, that wastes a non-trivial portion of the energy (and of course just adds more CO2 to the atmosphere.)

My summary of the 21st century: figuring out how to continue the wealth of the 20th century on a whole lot less non-renewable resources.

Well that's the problem, isn't it? Entrenched interests, whether extractive businesses such as coal, oil, and gas, or businesses that profit on human health, will scream bloody murder to protect those profits.

The coal industry say they have a 200 year supply. And you are exactly right. What the fuck is that based on?

415 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:27:54pm

re: #406 Last Mohican

Maybe it's too souped up. Maybe your new comments load so quickly that the little animated circle doesn't have time to show up.

My kids use this desktop more than I do. Video gamers, they are. So, when we bought this sucker. We decided to make it a nice one. 8 gig of RAM, 1 TB hard drive, Intel Quad Core, huge video card and audio capabilities. My little laptop might show it, that is not the race car this desktop is.

416 spidly  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:28:15pm

re: #376 sngnsgt

While Barry pushes his health care plans on America that nobody wants, in the mean time:

Chicago City Government Closed For Business On Monday

Chicago.com

will they still be sending out guys to collect protection money or is it an extortion free day?

417 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:28:18pm

re: #412 HoosierHoops

Good Morning...ever eat at Tommy's Joint in the City?

Yes. Not in some time, since I'm basically kosher these days, but I've been there. My dad loves it.

418 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:29:15pm

re: #413 Bagua

The circle thingie is a gift, like seeing auras.

:)

419 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:29:34pm

re: #401 HoosierHoops

Winston got a boat? LOL!
DO NOT cannon ball into the WInston Boat.
Just make sure you can come up from your dive.
LOL!
Good visual images!
Stay cool...
And wet!

420 spidly  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:31:00pm

eco-eschatology. woo hoo.

421 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:32:11pm

re: #418 SanFranciscoZionist

:)

Oooh, auras!
LOL!

422 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:33:05pm

re: #416 spidly

will they still be sending out guys to collect protection money or is it an extortion free day?

It's "No Broken Finger Monday", so enjoy...until Tuesday, at least

423 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:35:02pm

re: #419 Floral Giraffe

Winston got a boat? LOL!
DO NOT cannon ball into the WInston Boat.
Just make sure you can come up from your dive.
LOL!
Good visual images!
Stay cool...
And wet!

Yes...I really bought my dog a blow up boat for the pool..He loves floating around.. I'm ate up..*wink*

424 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:37:44pm

re: #423 HoosierHoops

Yes...I really bought my dog a blow up boat for the pool..He loves floating around.. I'm ate up..*wink*

What kind of a dog is Winston? Sounds like a bulldog's name, but I suppose that's stereotyping..

425 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:40:28pm

re: #424 SanFranciscoZionist

What kind of a dog is Winston? Sounds like a bulldog's name, but I suppose that's stereotyping..

LOL! And, I'm visualizing a little white haired small terrier type!
I know HH loves his Winston. Gad Zooks, the dog has his own boat!
PICTURE TIME?

426 NelsFree  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:41:18pm

re: #241 Macker

Point of Inquiry: Doesn't Titan also possess massive quantities of hydrocarbons?

It depends on who's driving...
[Link: www.carsdirect.com...]
Good evening all!

427 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:41:58pm

re: #417 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. Not in some time, since I'm basically kosher these days, but I've been there. My dad loves it.

The City is awesome.. When we were in our 20's we drove there all the time from Napa..Roller skating at golden Gate park..Playing pool at the black magic..
Hanging out at dance clubs on front street...We country folks thought the City was the coolest place on earth...And let's face it..If you are a hetro clubbing in SF in your 20's...It's a target rich environment...I thought it was awesome there were so many gay guys in the City...
I hope I'm not in trouble...But clubbing in the city was a lot of fun for young men

428 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:49:03pm

re: #425 Floral Giraffe

LOL! And, I'm visualizing a little white haired small terrier type!
I know HH loves his Winston. Gad Zooks, the dog has his own boat!
PICTURE TIME?

I just love the image of a dog in a boat. Doesn't he prefer to swim? I guess not, if he's using the boat.

429 Laroon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:49:04pm

GADGET OF THE DAY???!!
Our Roomba (his name is Wendel) saved our marriage.

If you ask me men need to look out - if the geniuses at iRobot add a dishwasher and a vibrator to it, we won't really need y'all anymore will we?

:)

430 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:51:33pm

re: #427 HoosierHoops

The City is awesome.. When we were in our 20's we drove there all the time from Napa..Roller skating at golden Gate park..Playing pool at the black magic..
Hanging out at dance clubs on front street...We country folks thought the City was the coolest place on earth...And let's face it..If you are a hetro clubbing in SF in your 20's...It's a target rich environment...I thought it was awesome there were so many gay guys in the City...
I hope I'm not in trouble...But clubbing in the city was a lot of fun for young men

Lord, no, you're not in trouble! I shill for my City like it's going out of style, and yes, I'd imagine being a straight boy in the clubs is bit of all right. Of course, my girlfriends and I used to hit on the gay boys because you could dance with them and then they went away...;)

But I was never really a clubber, even in my twenties.

Tommy's had great chili IIRC.

431 BignJames  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:53:18pm

re: #339 austin_blue

re: #342 freetoken

They've been unable to simulate abiotic production in a lab, but how to account for hydro carbon signatures in other parts of the solar system?

432 freetoken  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 12:23:34am

re: #431 BignJames

Hydrogen is the most common element in the universe (by far.) Carbon is an end product of fusion in stars ... and thus is not uncommon. Molecules composed of carbon and hydrogen would be reasonable in the remnants of nova/supernova.

Note though that was is seen in space are simple hydrocarbons, and simple alcohols, which have few carbon atoms. Petroleum is composed of very long hydrocarbon chains, which is what one finds in the organic material from living cells.

433 bubbasbbq  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:33:10am

iRobot Blows dead bears.

Their pacbot can't compare to the talon.

434 HelloDare  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:32:12am

re: #342 freetoken

Abiotic oil is one of those crazy ideas that is getting a foothold among certain parts of the right-o-sphere. Corsi was pimping the idea back when oil was setting price highs.

Freeman Dyson wrote the foreword to Thomas Gold's book, The Deep Hot Biosphere. Dyson thinks Gold was right about abiotic oil.

Abiotic oil is also covered in the book Nine Crazy Ideas in Science, by Robert Ehlich, professor and Department Chair at George Mason University. On a scale of from zero to four cuckoos -- four cuckoos being the most improbable -- he gives abiotic oil zero cuckoos.

435 freetoken  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:23:37am

re: #434 HelloDare

Yes, I realize that Dyson had written an introduction. However, is that a plus for the idea of abiotic oil, or is it another ding in Dyson's credibility? Dyson has been called "the bad boy of science" for his attraction to controversy. Outside his field I'm not sure you'd want to count on his interest in a subject as proof of an idea.

Every place I've looked on the genesis of petroleum, that is accepted by various scientific professions, agree that petroleum is a fossil fuel. No one is saying that there couldn't be simple hydrocarbons (methane) from non-living sources. But that is not what the oil industry finds when it goes searching out for petroleum.

436 freetoken  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:52:42am

re: #435 freetoken

Trying to remember the actual terms used to describe Dyson...

DAWIDOFF calls him "the civil heretic":
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Dyson himself wants to be identified as a heretic:
[Link: www.edge.org...]

Dyson is someone who appears to have struggled with his role in WWII, and wrote a short essay against indiscriminate bombing:
[Link: www.bible-researcher.com...]
I wonder how this has affected the rest of his life, especially his penchant for thumbing his nose at authority?

Dyson has written on religion:
[Link: www.edge.org...]
in which he wrote:


[...]

Trouble arises when either science or religion claims universal jurisdiction, when either religious dogma or scientific dogma claims to be infallible. Religious creationists and scientific materialists are equally dogmatic and insensitive. By their arrogance they bring both science and religion into disrepute. [...]


[It should be obvious that Dyson and Dawkins don't see eye to eye. [Link: www.edge.org...]

And so forth.

In other words, saying that Freeman Dyson endorses a certain position itself ought to be looked at with squinty eyes.

That Dyson wrote the intro to Gold's book, which is very strongly panned by a great number of people who are (unlike Dyson) learned in geology, is more of a condemnation for Dyson than it is an endorsement for abiotic oil.

437 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 6:49:55am
Thanks. I didn't see your post until now. I searched my name to help me remember what my other "issues" were (I have so many) and came upon quite a few posts about, and to, me, which I'd never seen. The few I could read, were down right stupid and crude...because I had disagreed with something they posted and down-dinged them. I like to show agreement or disagreement with a poster. I up-ding when I see something especially funny, smart, or well thought out. I down-ding when I see what I consider a lie, stupidity, or all out bad craziness.

2.)I come here frequently because I'm interested in politics and I want to understand how the country works and thinks and LGF discusses a lot of issues I'm interested in. I read here because most of the posters are conservative, without being Limbaugh or Beck followers. I am surprised that even the moderate right, like the people here, have so much abject hatred for Obama and congress.

3)I don't post because I know the posters who don't agree with me on even the most mundane topics (and there will be scores) will respond like sixth grade bullies. I tried posting a couple of times to voice my opinion. I don't have the energy or patience (or desire) to try to convince anyone that they're wrong. I ding because I just want to let posters know that I've thought about what they've said and I either agree or don't. Sometimes I up-ding just because everyone else has piled on some witless soul.

4)Anyway, I don't have a job yet. But I'm sure I'm not lucky enough to never work again. Meanwhile between reading LGF and volunteering for Acorn/, I'm keeping myself busy.
Thank you so much for making this an excellent blog. Sorry to everyone this is so long.

Hey blueherron -- answering you here cos the original thread is shut. Few points--
1) I hear you about the nic-searching. Honestly? I never search mine because I know I'd find stuff that would depress me. I know that because I have through sheer bad luck run across comments made about me when I'm absent. And I wished I hadn't seen them.
I think it's healthier to just ignore such things entirely. IMO. It's the internet and it's what some people do.

2) I think LGF is the best blog around for political discussion, IMO. I'm including all political blogs of all persuasions there. So many smart people here and Charles' comment moderation is the most thorough and assiduous of anyone. Definitely one major reason why it's such a good site. I learn way more here than I would anywhere else, and this is the best site to talk politics anywhere on the net.
I feel pretty confident in saying that being a proud netizen of the lefty sphere who has also spent considerable time reading the right. There isn't anywhere else worth commenting, consistently-- in my opinion.

3) I totally understand how depressing the Obama-hate is, but a) that doesn't characterise all people here, and b) it DOES reflect a worrying trend on the right as a whole. Also, c)-- fortunately doesn't represent our host at all, who remains a rare voice of sanity: he'll smack the hell out of Obama but will also give him credit when he thinks it's due. That's pretty rare on both the right and the left, I find-- A willingness to weigh the POTUS's actions/decisions/policies in a fair way and apply the same standards consistently.(whether the POTUS is Obama or Bush)

4) Good luck! I hope you won't be discouraged. I'm sorry some people have been mean, but most here wouldn't be. Come hang out on an overnight thread sometime, very smart and cool people. Nice way to have some discussions in a lowkey way.
And GOOD LUCK on job and other issues! best wishes--
cheers, iDub

438 Canoe Train  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 7:45:05am

re: #75 Afrocity

Hi there! Long time no see.

439 Canoe Train  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 7:46:41am

Even if it is a bit creepy, in the HAL 9000 kind of way, I like mine. Purchased one this spring. Made me notice all of the dust that my regular vacuum was missing.

440 funky chicken  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 8:59:26am

re: #73 Occasional Reader

Once they shift Roomba production to Mexico to take advantage of lower labor costs, that sound you'll be hearing will be a giant sucking sound.

I thought they were made in China. The Scooba (mopping robot) is made there, and I think it's the same company.

441 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 10:00:59am

This is the best review of the Roomba I've ever read. I'd never heard about the "lighthouses".

442 mfarmer1  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 10:14:11am

My wife bought one about three months ago and I immediately scoffed at the gimmicky nature of the whole thing. And then I saw it work. And then I caught myself staring longer than I'd like to admit at it as it navigated its way around, intelligently avoiding tumbling down the stairs, hugging the corners, etc. And yes, I found myself cheering it on as it found its way back to its docking station. How embarrassing.

But it works. We have three dogs and this thing picks up hair you don't even see. We have all hardwood and tile and it works great on both surfaces. So well in fact, that we are now going to buy the Scoomba, the version that washes the floors.

iRobot commercial over.

443 Egregious Philbin  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 10:22:06am

I love my roomba. It is an amazing thing. Dog not too happy with it, but he is a terrier, he hates everything.

444 DistantThunder  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 11:02:18am

Cat vs. Roomba

445 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:34:36pm

re: #110 Gus 802

Ever check out Viking?

[Link: www.vikingrange.com...]

3 qt. saute pan runs $270.00

Gus -

If rice is the thing - get a rice cooker. On my second Aroma - first one was thrown in the dishwasher by accident and drowned. Understand the "Cadillac" of this type of cooker is the Zojirushi. Whichever you buy, a great tool if you like rice, the Aroma should set you back about $30 - 40. As to vacuum cleaners - put it this way my boss bought a Dyson which promptly
broke - I'm still using a Galaxy I picked up for $30 at Sears. Change bags as required and one belt in the last three years, a pretty good buy I think.

-S-

446 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:36:22pm

re: #440 funky chicken

I thought they were made in China. The Scooba (mopping robot) is made there, and I think it's the same company.

funky chicken -

"The same company" also has a Military Division if memory serves correctly.

-S-

447 the head  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 8:38:03pm

We have a Roomba and it's about 2 years old and works great. The battery seems to last about a year. We also have the scooba mop robot but unless you have flat floors or very small grout lines on tiled surfaces I wouldn't recommend it.

448 snuffyny  Mon, Aug 17, 2009 4:06:35am

We've bought a Roomba about 5 years ago.
The problem... it cannot make the transition from
floor to carpet. Someone has to watch it at all times
to assist it up onto the room-sized rug.
It became a pain... so it now resides under the bed in
the spare room waiting for the day I remember to
take it to Good Will.

449 Bonk  Mon, Aug 17, 2009 11:28:33am

I just got a Roomba about a month ago, and I personally think it's one of the best buys I've ever made. It's certainly not perfect - it's gotten stuck twice, and jumped the lighthouse barrier once - but every single day at 10am it goes on a house cleaning rampage and does a great job of it. I should note that my house has mostly hardwood floors with only a couple area rugs, but it handles them without trouble - not sure why snuffyny's has that particular problem - newer design maybe?
I've got a pet basset hound who seems to think the purpose of his existance is to generate hair bunnies and the Roomba has proven to be his nemesis - it's AMAZING how much junk it picks up every single day.
You do need to clean out the bin daily (takes 10 seconds) and clean the bearings and brushes weekly, but for pure "fire and forget" house cleaning this lil bugger can't be beat.
Now someone needs to design a hovering dust bot and my housecleaning chores will truly be minimized...

450 dsun  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:14:08am

now all we need is a cooking robot and done we are with the menial tasks taking up our precious time which could be better used surfing the net.


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