Ten More Companies Shun Beck

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Color of Change, the left-wing group promoting the advertiser boycott of the Glenn Beck End Times Comedy Hour, announced today that 10 more companies have pulled their advertisements. This brings the total of major companies participating in the shunning to 46.

Adding to an increasing list of companies distancing themselves from Fox News Channel’s Glenn Beck, ten new companies whose ads were recently seen during Beck’s program—Applebee’s, Bank of America, Bell & Howell, DirecTv, General Mills, Kraft, Regions Financial Corporation, SAM (Store and Move), Travelers Insurance and Vonage—have pledged to take steps to ensure that their ads don’t run on Beck’s show. Forty-six companies have now committed not to support Beck’s show since ColorOfChange.org launched its campaign three weeks ago after the Fox News Channel host called President Obama a “racist” who “has a deep-seated hatred for white people” during an appearance on Fox & Friends.

Three of the latest defections—Travelers Insurance, Bell & Howell and DirecTv—join the list of advertisers who claim to have already placed Glenn Beck’s program on a “do not air” list, but whose ads have been seen on Beck’s program, apparently against their wishes.

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961 comments
1 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 2:53:31pm

I think Beck has a "deep-seated hatred" for rationality.

2 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 2:55:01pm

Lies! Out of context! Smear!
/

3 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 2:55:07pm

If Glenn Beck loses every one of his advertisers and ends up in the poorhouse, it would be so much the better for humanity. However, it's pissing me off that "Color of Change" is taking credit for all this, and I hope they don't actually have a lot to do with it.

4 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 2:55:44pm

What I read in the LAT makes me pause believing everything CoC says.

5 ichef  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 2:55:50pm

Directv advertises on both his radio and tv show ... still on as of today ...

6 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 2:58:25pm

Never fear, Glenn. Scarab has your back.

7 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 2:58:31pm

re: #3 Last Mohican

However, it's pissing me off that "Color of Change" is taking credit for all this, and I hope they don't actually have a lot to do with it.


I'm pretty sure this is all their work (along with other lefty grassroots groups and blogs). I don't like to see people taken off the air like this. Any group with the motivation and spare time can get someone removed from the air. I'd prefer that FOX decide to protect their reputation and take him off by themselves but that's not going to happen.

8 Danny  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 2:58:34pm

Was Color of Change founded before Beck said Obama was racist?

9 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 2:59:32pm

Are you certain everything coming out of Becks mouth is meaningless? What's Carl Rove doing hanging around with Beck? Rove did an interview on Becks show last night. Rove is willing to hang with the guy. Most ppl here respect Rove (I think). What's with that? Maybe there is something...to some of Becks message(s)?

10 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 2:59:40pm

re: #4 MandyManners

What I read in the LAT makes me pause believing everything CoC says.

If half of what Beck says about Van Jones is true, the guy is seriously bad news. And I suspect that about half of what Beck says about him is indeed true.

11 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 2:59:56pm

Good afternoon, lizards.

Are these advertisers dropping Fox from their advertising budgets altogether, or just boycotting Beck?

If so, it's a nice gesture but a shallow one.

12 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:00:12pm

re: #9 unrealizedviewpoint

Maybe there is something...to some of Becks message(s)?


Ugh.

13 maurice  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:00:52pm

Good, bad or indifferent, you cannot call Beck a commie. The same can't be said for the scumbag behind Color of Change. That rat bastard should never have made it anywhere near Washington unless it was to visit Marion Barry... much less be part of an American government. It's just another crooked hand in the bottomless cookie jar.

What the hell is going on in the country?

14 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:01:05pm

re: #9 unrealizedviewpoint

Maybe there is something...to some of Becks message(s)?

There definitely is something to some of his message. He should go away and let someone else say that part.

15 Danny  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:01:19pm

re: #8 Danny

N/m, just found the answer (formed after Katrina).

16 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:01:48pm

This is a serious thread, but still, the first thing which came to mind when I saw Charles' headline was "Atten ... SHUN!"

17 Drider  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:02:03pm

I suppose this is some of that "change" folks have been dying for.
Beck scores the top rating of the week and advertisers drop off...how un-capitalist.

18 Lee Coller  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:02:36pm

I sense the presence of Beck defenders.

19 redshirt  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:02:41pm

Yet per Drudge, Beck has record high ratings, even beating O'Rielly.
The advertisers will cave before Beck does.

20 greatinfidel  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:02:45pm

Big Beck: Goes over 3 million viewers, beats O’Reilly in demo: Cable News Ratings for Wednesday, August 26, 2009

5PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Glenn Beck– 3,040,000 viewers (888,000) (1,385,000)
Situation Room—688,000 viewers (141,000) (271,000)
Hardball w/ Chris Matthews—536,000 viewers (139,000) (217,000)
Fast Money—215,000 viewers (55,000) (80,000)
Prime News–267,000 viewers (97,000) (109,000)

Keep going strong Glenn, numbers = $$$

21 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:02:49pm

Did anyone check that these companies actually had commercials during Beck's show?

Is his show 1 minute of him talking and 59 minutes of commercials from 30 companies?

22 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:02:54pm

I predict a meltdown before 50.

23 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:02:58pm
24 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:03:07pm

re: #8 Danny

Was Color of Change founded before Beck said Obama was racist?

Yes. Van Jones, one of FCBBHO's czars, was a co-founder.

25 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:03:33pm

re: #10 Last Mohican

If half of what Beck says about Van Jones is true, the guy is seriously bad news. And I suspect that about half of what Beck says about him is indeed true.

Charles started a thread about Jones.

26 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:04:26pm

re: #20 greatinfidel

Big Beck: Goes over 3 million viewers, beats O’Reilly in demo: Cable News Ratings for Wednesday, August 26, 2009

5PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Glenn Beck– 3,040,000 viewers (888,000) (1,385,000)
Situation Room—688,000 viewers (141,000) (271,000)
Hardball w/ Chris Matthews—536,000 viewers (139,000) (217,000)
Fast Money—215,000 viewers (55,000) (80,000)
Prime News–267,000 viewers (97,000) (109,000)

Keep going strong Glenn, numbers = $$$

Teh stoopid is strong in this country.

27 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:04:34pm

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

The Beck clips I have seen here make me glad I don't have cable. But the energy some people are putting into hating Beck is pretty disturbing.

You'd almost think they didn't trust the American people to see Beck as a mere entertainer.

Beck has infinitely more influence over America's youth than Kanye West.

28 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:04:42pm

re: #10 Last Mohican

If half of what Beck says about Van Jones is true, the guy is seriously bad news. And I suspect that about half of what Beck says about him is indeed true.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

29 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:04:50pm

bbl

30 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:04:50pm

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

The Beck clips I have seen here make me glad I don't have cable. But the energy some people are putting into hating Beck is pretty disturbing.

You'd almost think they didn't trust the American people to see Beck as a mere entertainer.

I don't.

31 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:05:16pm
32 freetoken  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:05:47pm

re: #18 Lee Coller

It's a disturbance in the Force...

33 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:05:58pm

re: #27 Ben Hur

Beck has infinitely more influence over America's youth than Kanye West.

I think that's very unlikely.

34 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:06:00pm

re: #31 buzzsawmonkey

Really? And you know this...how?

Was sarcasm.

Sorry.

Should've used the / in this instance.

35 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:06:21pm

re: #21 Ben Hur

Did anyone check that these companies actually had commercials during Beck's show?

Is his show 1 minute of him talking and 59 minutes of commercials from 30 companies?

CoC claimed that Procter & Gamble and AT&T boycotted Beck but, they never ran ads during his show.

36 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:06:33pm

re: #26 Cato the Elder

Teh stoopid is strong in this country.

Considering who we elected POTUS, I may have to agree.

37 cliffster  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:06:35pm

Ugh, I feel like I need to detox after being on that site.

38 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:06:42pm

re: #14 Last Mohican

There definitely is something to some of his message. He should go away and let someone else say that part.

The problem is he ain't going, and ain't no one else sayin' it. He's carrying the audience. 3 million in a single airing. Add the repeats & he's touching as network news broadcasts do.

39 Danny  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:07:09pm

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

You'd almost think they didn't trust the American people to see Beck as a mere entertainer.

I have to be in the mood, but when I watch him I find him very entertaining. Sorta like watching a clown on fire in a gunpowder factory.

40 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:08:29pm

re: #28 MandyManners

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

As noted by El Goodo, Jones is a former communist who was radicalized by the 1992 Los Angeles riots and has continued to associate himself with groups on the far left, including the Free Press, which advocates government control of the media, and the radical Oakland community organization Speak Out Now! As extreme as these groups may be, they’re still a far cry from the “revolutionary” groups Jones used to associate himself with, such as the now defunct Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM).

41 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:08:41pm

re: #19 redshirt

Yet per Drudge, Beck has record high ratings, even beating O'Rielly.
The advertisers will cave before Beck does.

Boycotts are a bad idea. The advertisers will either come back, possibly wrapping themselves in some kind of smarmy "corporate courage" mantle for daring to support "controversial material," or new advertisers will step forward to rescue this golden goose.
In the meantime, Beck gets to clothe himself in righteous indignation as a victim of communard censorship, and the gullible start to wonder if he might really be onto something.

42 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:09:26pm

re: #39 Danny

I have to be in the mood, but when I watch him I find him very entertaining. Sorta like watching a clown on fire in a gunpowder factory.

The thing is, well all live in that gunpowder factory.

If something bad happens to the POTUS, Beck will be in part to blame.

43 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:09:28pm

re: #28 MandyManners

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Jones’s Wikipedia entry notes that he is a fellow of the Institute of Noetic Sciences. Founded by astronaut-turned-parapsychologist Edgar Mitchell, the Institute declares itself in mission statement to be “a nonprofit membership organization located in Northern California that conducts and sponsors leading-edge research into the potentials and powers of consciousness.” It also goes on to say that it “explores phenomena that do not necessarily fit conventional scientific models, while maintaining a commitment to scientific rigor.” The first part of that statement is correct, but as far as commitment to scientific rigor goes, you won’t find it at this institute. The main areas of research are “extended human capacities” (just a fancy way of saying spoon-bending and reincarnation), “integral health and healing” ( not just the expected quack remedies and therapies, but even worse “distant healing” methods as well), and “emerging worldviews” (which combines ecological extremism with New Age spirituality). Members of the Institute’s board of directors and extended faculty include Bishop Desmond Tutu, professional pseudoscientist Rupert Sheldrake, religious left guru Michael Lerner, and the Clown Prince of Quackery himself, Deepak Chopra. You’ll find Van Jones listed as a fellow on the board of directors page, along with “collective consciousness” scholar Chris Bache and former Noetic Institute president James O’Dea, who currently runs a variety of “spiritual” retreats and workshops.

44 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:10:05pm

re: #9 unrealizedviewpoint

Are you certain everything coming out of Becks mouth is meaningless? What's Carl Rove doing hanging around with Beck? Rove did an interview on Becks show last night. Rove is willing to hang with the guy. Most ppl here respect Rove (I think). What's with that? Maybe there is something...to some of Becks message(s)?

I keep wondering why COC and the progressive are so intent on helping the conservatives clean out nut cases like Beck? It would be tragic that if among all the static, there are some grains of facts that would hurt the left's agenda.

I'm glad COC is at the forefront of ridding us of these right-wing reactionaries.

45 jantjepietje  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:10:15pm

I think it's quite funny that in the end it's the free market that is killing Glenn Becks show. Not socialists in the government but real capitalist companies are pulling the plug. Given Beck's rhetoric on his show I think I can call that ironic.

46 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:11:04pm

re: #42 Cato the Elder

PIMF: ...we all...

47 vxbush  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:11:23pm

I don't watch Beck and only listen to Beck occasionally, if I'm tired of listening to music. Jones is frankly not that big of an issue to me right now. He's not as powerful as Emmanuel or Jarrett in the administration, methinks. And the health care bills are a bit more important at this moment.

Beck tends to take Obama's rhetoric on the campaign trail early in the campaign as the gospel of what he will do. Given how Obama seemed to speak different plans to different audiences, that seems to be a bit much to assume.

Eh. Not my favorite. Kind of weird.

48 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:11:32pm
49 cliffster  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:11:45pm

I don't know - I think a lot of that article is trying to pin stuff on Beck's show, that actually is just advertisers choosing not to advertise in politically charged programs

50 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:11:54pm

re: #45 jantjepietje

I think it's quite funny that in the end it's the free market that is killing Glenn Becks show. Not socialists in the government but real capitalist companies are pulling the plug. Given Beck's rhetoric on his show I think I can call that ironic.

When did Fox cancel his show?

51 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:11:58pm

frankly i don't watch beck but i don't like censorship either.

52 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:12:28pm

re: #43 MandyManners

So basically, it's the flip side of the Discovery Institute.

53 Danny  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:12:34pm

re: #42 Cato the Elder

If something bad happens to the POTUS, Beck will be in part to blame.

I doubt it.

54 Dianna  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:12:35pm

1) Beck's nuts.

2) Boycotts irritate me.

3) Why are we fighting?

55 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:12:36pm

re: #48 buzzsawmonkey

Too bad for you.

I believe that the American people are capable of recognizing Beck as a slap-shoed buffoon. And if they aren't, they are too TV-sodden to arise from the Barcalounger to answer his call to arms.

Fretting yourself sick because the American people is not as brilliant as you would have them be is the hallmark of the arrogant prescribers for the people. It is the hallmark of the current administration and its brightest lights. I refuse to share it.

I don't fret about it. My default expectation of humanity is stupidity.

56 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:12:50pm
57 Syrah  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:12:53pm

When CoC brings Beck down, Will they stop, content with just one pelt?

58 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:13:00pm

re: #50 Walter L. Newton

When did Fox cancel his show?

What does Bell & Howell make any more?

59 jantjepietje  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:13:13pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure this is all their work (along with other lefty grassroots groups and blogs). I don't like to see people taken off the air like this. Any group with the motivation and spare time can get someone removed from the air. I'd prefer that FOX decide to protect their reputation and take him off by themselves but that's not going to happen.

Why?
I think this is a good democratic process. Companies have a responsibility to society too they aren't being forced by the government to stop advertising they are only being pressured by public opinion. I don't see how having FOX pull is show is a better way of going about things.

60 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:13:15pm

re: #42 Cato the Elder

The thing is, well all live in that gunpowder factory.

If something bad happens to the POTUS, Beck will be in part to blame.

The gunpowder factory, or at least the warehouse, is fast becoming literal rather than metaphorical. Ammunition sales set a new annual record in May, and the hoarding frenzy shows no sign of abating.

61 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:13:15pm

If the Libs were actually smart they'd be sponsoring Beck's show themselves. Beck can do far more damage to the Republican Party and conservatives in general by feeding them a steady diet of conspiracy theories, Birch Society crap and Paulian rhetoric. Glenn Beck is doing far more damage to the right than Mikey Moore ever did.

62 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:13:41pm

ColorOfChange.org

Definitely not a conservative group or one which supported McCain last year

63 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:13:55pm

re: #54 Dianna

1) Beck's nuts.

2) Boycotts irritate me.

3) Why are we fighting?

1) are in his wife's purse.
2) Try using fabric softener. ;)
3) FUN!

/

64 Dianna  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:14:15pm

re: #56 mot

I'm sure you'll be missed.

Karma: 0

mot

(Logged in)
Registered since: Dec 16, 2004 at 5:42 pm
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65 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:14:22pm

re: #56 mot

Oh my goodness, and you were such a highly praised contributor to the discussions here.

66 badger1970  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:14:29pm

Beck has every right to spew whatever unfiltered thoughts enter his spacious mind, however, doesn't anyone have the willies concerning a coordinated attack on sponsors of the show. I find obermann and matthews more dishonest than Beck has ever had (of course who watches pMSNBC)?

If this is an attempt to drive Beck off of the air, so be it. Hell, there's enough "hate" shows (shows in which it exists purely to spew insults like the view, obermann and most crap on cnn) on TV in which proof of anyone giving a damn about wanting them off the air has not materialized.

Fine, have your campaign against Beck but don't tell me obermann is not as distasteful.

67 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:14:42pm

re: #56 mot

I love the smell of flounce.

68 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:14:43pm
69 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:14:48pm

re: #54 Dianna

1) Beck's nuts.

Did you have to drag those into this, Dianna?

What kind of thread is this?

70 jantjepietje  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:14:55pm

re: #50 Walter L. Newton

When did Fox cancel his show?


I said "is killing" not "has killed"
If this trend continues for some time then FOX will be forced to cancel is show or lose a lot of money

71 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:15:08pm

re: #64 Dianna

I'm sure you'll be missed.

That was such a lame flounce, Charles hasn't even deleted or banned him yet.

72 redshirt  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:15:18pm

Charles is doing a god job of policing the right from the right. Is anyone on the left speaking out against the like of Olbermann or Schultz?
Like anyone watches them...

73 Dianna  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:15:24pm

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel

The gunpowder factory, or at least the warehouse, is fast becoming literal rather than metaphorical. Ammunition sales set a new annual record in May, and the hoarding frenzy shows no sign of abating.

Well, if you like to shoot, the prices, currently, encourage buying in great bulk.

74 Danny  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:15:25pm

Flounce off on aisle 56...

75 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:15:47pm

re: #21 Ben Hur

Did anyone check that these companies actually had commercials during Beck's show?

Is his show 1 minute of him talking and 59 minutes of commercials from 30 companies?

I have to admit that the updates from CoC are taking on an air of unreality these days.

Pity. Beck needs to go before he completely sinks the GOP. Guilt by association, and being associated with JoJo the Dog-Faced Woman, the Snake Boy and the Bearded Lady are not good things.

76 laxmatt1984  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:15:51pm

Waiting for color of change's boycott against MSNBC hosts who accuse Obama critics of racism.

77 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:15:57pm

I'm taking The Kid out to eat. Have a good evening, Lizards!

78 born conservative  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:16:12pm

I don't know if anyone here has actually watched Beck this week, but he is doing a great job exposing the people that O has appointed as czars and advisors. The White House is watching him and emails corrections like: please stop calling Mark Lloyd a czar, he's just an advisor -- not material and, yes, this is per Beck. Limbaugh, Rove and a variety of people from the Fox business channel appear regularly appear on his show. It would be helpful if people would watch his show and challenge his facts and conclusions rather than making personal attacks.

79 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:16:18pm

re: #76 laxmatt1984

Waiting for color of change's boycott against MSNBC hosts who accuse Obama critics of racism.

Don't hold your breath

80 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:16:21pm

re: #56 mot

This thing is getting a little personal Mr. Johnson, and quite frankly starting to bore me. Considering all the newsworthy events that can be debated on this blog and you continue to dwell on the "punk" Beck...well...I'm done here!

Bon mot?

Maybe not.

81 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:16:27pm

re: #43 MandyManners

looks like a sucker is born every min.
wonder if they are getting PORKULUS $$

82 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:16:27pm

re: #70 jantjepietje

I said "is killing" not "has killed"
If this trend continues for some time then FOX will be forced to cancel is show or lose a lot of money

If Beck is the third most watched show on cable TV, there will ALWAYS be sponsors to fill the spots. Like it or not.

83 Lee Coller  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:17:04pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

I predict a meltdown before 50.

Missed it by 6.

84 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:17:05pm

re: #82 Walter L. Newton

If Beck is the third most watched show on cable TV, there will ALWAYS be sponsors to fill the spots. Like it or not.

Boycotts don't work.

85 Dianna  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:17:14pm

re: #69 Silvergirl

1) Beck's nuts.

Did you have to drag those into this, Dianna?

What kind of thread is this?

The usual!

Have a pistachio!

86 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:17:21pm

re: #59 jantjepietje

Why?
I think this is a good democratic process. Companies have a responsibility to society too they aren't being forced by the government to stop advertising they are only being pressured by public opinion. I don't see how having FOX pull is show is a better way of going about things.

Because these companies aren't doing it of their own free will. They're dropping advertising because of boycott threats from lefties. This is the same stuff that got Imus fired and Howard Stern taken off the air. Al Sharpton and the Catholic League do this stuff full time and year round. It's not free market at work, it's threats from pressure groups. Big difference.
If conservatives didn't watch the show then ratings and ad revenue would drop. That's free market.

87 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:17:21pm

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

So- those who think beck's hyperbloe is a problem are the real problem?

88 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:17:37pm

re: #78 born conservative

I don't know if anyone here has actually watched Beck this week, but he is doing a great job exposing the people that O has appointed as czars and advisors. The White House is watching him and emails corrections like: please stop calling Mark Lloyd a czar, he's just an advisor -- not material and, yes, this is per Beck. Limbaugh, Rove and a variety of people from the Fox business channel appear regularly appear on his show. It would be helpful if people would watch his show and challenge his facts and conclusions rather than making personal attacks.

I've said it before, for me, it;s the WAY he does it.

89 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:17:51pm

re: #66 badger1970

Beck has every right to spew whatever unfiltered thoughts enter his spacious mind, however, doesn't anyone have the willies concerning a coordinated attack on sponsors of the show. I find obermann and matthews more dishonest than Beck has ever had (of course who watches pMSNBC)?

If this is an attempt to drive Beck off of the air, so be it. Hell, there's enough "hate" shows (shows in which it exists purely to spew insults like the view, obermann and most crap on cnn) on TV in which proof of anyone giving a damn about wanting them off the air has not materialized.

Fine, have your campaign against Beck but don't tell me obermann is not as distasteful.

Doesn't bother me. As I've been trying to tell lefties for years, the Constitution guarantees freedom of speech but it does not guarantee access to the forum of one's choice, the right to an audience, or the right to be taken seriously.

90 Danny  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:17:52pm

re: #76 laxmatt1984

Waiting for color of change's boycott against MSNBC hosts who accuse Obama critics of racism.

Got a long wait. THey only oppose Fox.

91 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:18:19pm

re: #56 mot

Damn, you were 6 posts late to fulfill my prediction. Well, I was close.

92 Dianna  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:18:28pm

re: #78 born conservative

I can't watch TV. It makes me even crankier than I already am.

93 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:18:42pm

re: #87 Sharmuta

So- those who think beck's hyperbloe is a problem are the real problem?

Hyperbloe.

Hyperblow.

You may have something there. Forget hyperbole.

94 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:18:44pm

re: #83 Lee Coller

Heh, I was pretty close.

95 vxbush  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:18:58pm

re: #88 Ben Hur

I've said it before, for me, it;s the WAY he does it.

Yeah. I would have to agree.

96 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:19:02pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Damn, you were 6 posts late to fulfill my prediction. Well, I was close.

Which counts in horseshoes AND hand grenades.

/did someone say Town Hall?

97 Danny  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:19:06pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Ver close. I'm impressed.

98 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:19:06pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Damn, you were 6 posts late to fulfill my prediction. Well, I was close.

No cigar.

99 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:19:22pm

re: #42 Cato the Elder

The thing is, well all live in that gunpowder factory.

If something bad happens to the POTUS, Beck will be in part to blame.

Like, you know, if Obama is defeated in 2012?
:/O

100 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:19:30pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

I don't think the companies have been threatened with a boycott if they don't comply. They've been asked to pull their advertisements, and they've decided freely do to so or not.

101 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:19:36pm

re: #98 Silvergirl

No cigar.

Earlier thread.

102 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:19:41pm

re: #56 mot

I would have to agree you are done here.

Who is laxmatt1984. It/he/she updinged ya.

103 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:19:50pm

re: #98 Silvergirl

No cigar.

Aw, c'mon ... Bill gave me a whole box of these ...

104 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:19:57pm

re: #101 Ben Hur

Heehee!

105 Neutral President  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:20:02pm

re: #40 MandyManners

including the Free Press, which advocates government control of the media

LOL... "unclear on the concept."

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

106 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:20:15pm

re: #43 MandyManners

Jones’s Wikipedia entry notes that he is a fellow of the Institute of Noetic Sciences. Founded by astronaut-turned-parapsychologist Edgar Mitchell, the Institute declares itself in mission statement to be “a nonprofit membership organization located in Northern California that conducts and sponsors leading-edge research into the potentials and powers of consciousness.” It also goes on to say that it “explores phenomena that do not necessarily fit conventional scientific models, while maintaining a commitment to scientific rigor.” The first part of that statement is correct, but as far as commitment to scientific rigor goes, you won’t find it at this institute. The main areas of research are “extended human capacities” (just a fancy way of saying spoon-bending and reincarnation), “integral health and healing” ( not just the expected quack remedies and therapies, but even worse “distant healing” methods as well), and “emerging worldviews” (which combines ecological extremism with New Age spirituality). Members of the Institute’s board of directors and extended faculty include Bishop Desmond Tutu, professional pseudoscientist Rupert Sheldrake, religious left guru Michael Lerner, and the Clown Prince of Quackery himself, Deepak Chopra. You’ll find Van Jones listed as a fellow on the board of directors page, along with “collective consciousness” scholar Chris Bache and former Noetic Institute president James O’Dea, who currently runs a variety of “spiritual” retreats and workshops.

If true, I find that much more worrisome than if he were a vintage communist.

107 Dianna  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:20:19pm

re: #89 Shiplord Kirel

Particularly the last!

Heck, sending a proposal to my foundation guarantees that I read it. It doesn't guarantee that I don't mock it unmercifully.

108 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:20:29pm

I'm sure glad John McEnroe is going to be on Hannity tonight. Now we can get to hear a real intelligent mind speak out on current issues

(/saracasm off)

109 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:20:38pm

re: #101 Ben Hur

Earlier thread.

I miss all the good stuff.

110 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:21:26pm

re: #108 DrNaughty

I'm sure glad John McEnroe is going to be on Hannity tonight. Now we can get to hear a real intelligent mind speak out on current issues

(/saracasm off)

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!

111 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:21:27pm

is a flounce considered a melt down? not really

112 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:21:41pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, if the stupid Noetic Scientists would hurry up and just find the damned Ark, I'd be more impressed.

/

113 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:21:44pm

re: #100 Sharmuta

The companies get bombarded with emails, calls and faxes. The Koskidz post regular lists with contact info. They harass the companies. It's standard procedure. As much as I detest Beck (along with his supporters and apologists) I don't support this boycott.

114 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:21:45pm

re: #43 MandyManners

That's some serious woo-woo.

115 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:22:17pm

re: #110 Sharmuta

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!

Maybe he's going to hold a clinic on how to REALLY throw a tantrum. Maybe he thinks Beck is a wuss!

116 astronmr20  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:22:18pm

His numbers are so huge, that these lost advertisers won't matter much.

Fox's rates for nightly viewer-ship like this will be sky-high. These are superbowl numbers.

117 Danny  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:22:19pm

re: #100 Sharmuta

I think that's CoC's official approach, although some individuals may have threatened to boycott.

118 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:22:20pm

re: #111 yochanan

is a flounce considered a melt down? not really

It's a mini-meltdown.

119 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:22:21pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

If the Libs were actually smart they'd be sponsoring Beck's show themselves. Beck can do far more damage to the Republican Party and conservatives in general by feeding them a steady diet of conspiracy theories, Birch Society crap and Paulian rhetoric. Glenn Beck is doing far more damage to the right than Mikey Moore ever did.

Are you a republican? If not why are you so worried about the damage Beck is doing to the republican party?

120 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:22:22pm
Ten More Companies Shun Beck

There's something to be said for a good old fashioned shunning.

I hope his show gets dropped just like Michael Savage's TV program was dumped way back whenever.

People like Beck and Savage to more harm to conservativism than they ever could realize.

121 Mad Mullah  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:22:39pm

I have more of a problem with the leftists who are boycotting Beck than I do with Beck. Beck is only a tv show host, and some of these people boycotting Beck are connected to the government, and that is far more dangerous than Beck will ever be in my opinion.

Beck uses plenty of hyperbole sure, but that is not as disturbing as radical communists and extremists who are actually in the government.

122 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:22:48pm

Any publicity is good publicity.

123 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:23:09pm

re: #109 Silvergirl

I miss all the good stuff.

I'm also going to miss dinner if I don't rise from my LGF sodden arse and get to the grocery store.

Later!

124 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:23:14pm

re: #108 DrNaughty

I'm sure glad John McEnroe is going to be on Hannity tonight. Now we can get to hear a real intelligent mind speak out on current issues

(/saracasm off)

He is disappointed the Williams sisters won't be able to meet in the Finals of The US Open.
//

125 sevoguy  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:23:36pm

Not for anything, but, I like BECK.

90% of the time I do agree with him. Does this make me a bad person?

Just my opinion and I hope that LGF allows me that.

Thx

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:23:37pm

re: #51 yochanan

frankly i don't watch beck but i don't like censorship either.

He's a joke, and maybe a dangerous joke, but so far he hasn't done anything I think merits censorship. That I know of.

I'd like it if the sponsors were pulling out on their own, but the fact that this is being organized by a political group bothers me.

127 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:23:56pm

anyone seen littleollady lately?

128 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:24:00pm

re: #67 OldLineTexan

I love the smell of flounce.

But we don't get BBQ troll this way.

129 Neutral President  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:24:06pm

re: #94 Killgore Trout

You were close... are we going by The Price is Right rules?

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:24:14pm

re: #52 doppelganglander

So basically, it's the flip side of the Discovery Institute.

They probably overlap in some areas of interest.

131 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:24:19pm

re: #125 sevoguy

Not for anything, but, I like BECK.

90% of the time I do agree with him. Does this make me a bad person?

Just my opinion and I hope that LGF allows me that.

Thx

A WITCH!
A WITCH!

132 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:24:20pm

re: #111 yochanan

is a flounce considered a melt down? not really

I think a good meltdown is more of a bounce.

Meltdown - increasingly strident posts, refusing to let go of a topic or theme, resulting in the stick
Flounce - gaily announcing that Charles Johnson is a poopy-head for failing to clear his subjects with you, resulting in ?

/

133 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:24:39pm

re: #68 buzzsawmonkey

Then as far as the national scene goes, you should be as happy as a pig in sh*t.

That's an odd assertion. Somehow I doubt the WHO is happy when it has to diagnose a pandemic.

134 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:24:41pm

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

He's a joke, and maybe a dangerous joke, but so far he hasn't done anything I think merits censorship. That I know of.

I'd like it if the sponsors were pulling out on their own, but the fact that this is being organized by a political group bothers me.

I have no doubt it's being directed from the White House via ColorOfChange

135 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:24:59pm

Glenn Beck discusses his martyr cookie...
"I Was A Dirtbag & Liar But I'm Not Now!"

Youtube Video

He gets a little weepy too.

136 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:25:04pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

If true, I find that much more worrisome than if he were a vintage communist.

He's not too far from waiting for a comet to take him and his followers away.

137 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:25:12pm

re: #63 OldLineTexan

1) are in his wife's purse.
2) Try using fabric softener. ;)
3) FUN!

/

My God, Beck is married?

138 solicitr  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:25:30pm

Sigh.

Color For Change's website claims are so much hot air. Most of the companies which allegedly have pulled their ads from Beck haven't actually done any such thing, in fact were completely surprised when asked about it- they hadn't heard anything about the supposed 'boycott.'

Since when does anyone believe anything a bunch of Marxisant New Agers has to sy?

(And, yes, Van Jones is a commie).

139 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:25:41pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout


If conservatives didn't watch the show then ratings and ad revenue would drop.

Beck is watched by a lot of Liberals as well - maybe more than Conservatives. It's a trip to the sideshow for them. At work, our local pack of Liberals can be heard hooting and guffawing in the morning after a particularly snort-worthy Beck installment.

Thinking that Beck in any way represents Conservatives or the GOP is a mistake. Although as I've said before, Beck's a large enough stain that his miasma will seep into whatever comes close to it.

If I were George Soros, I would be funneling money through every shell corporation I owned in Beck's direction. He's gold for the Democrats, and much of his audience comes from that realm, as well, although they're not tuning in out of admiration.

140 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:26:11pm

Alex Jones must be banging his head against a wall:
"I work for years to market this crap and build a niche, then this punk waltzes in and takes it over and gets a better gig than I ever dreamed of!"

141 jantjepietje  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:26:17pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

Because these companies aren't doing it of their own free will. They're dropping advertising because of boycott threats from lefties. This is the same stuff that got Imus fired and Howard Stern taken off the air. Al Sharpton and the Catholic League do this stuff full time and year round. It's not free market at work, it's threats from pressure groups. Big difference.
If conservatives didn't watch the show then ratings and ad revenue would drop. That's free market.

No! You can't limit the free market to what you want it to be. If a pressure group can convince enough people to stop buying product x then that is the free market too. I purposefully do not buy certain product because I think they are produced under unethical circumstances now I made this decision by my own free will but I was certainly made aware of these thing by certain pressure groups there is nothing wrong with that.

And Imus got fired without even any campaigning from any pressure group his bosses just didn't have a spine.

142 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:26:28pm

re: #119 unrealizedviewpoint

Are you a republican? If not why are you so worried about the damage Beck is doing to the republican party?


Because I'd like to have two viable political parties to choose from.

143 cliffster  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:26:31pm

is there video of Beck calling Obama a racist?

144 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:26:38pm

re: #89 Shiplord Kirel

Doesn't bother me. As I've been trying to tell lefties for years, the Constitution guarantees freedom of speech but it does not guarantee access to the forum of one's choice, the right to an audience, or the right to be taken seriously.

Ditto, except I also tell righties.

145 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:26:59pm

re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist

My God, Beck is married?

He's not that difficult to research, srsly.

;)

146 Danny  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:27:05pm

re: #125 sevoguy

Nah, I don't think it does.

147 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:27:13pm

re: #143 cliffster

is there video of Beck calling Obama a racist?

Yes. Try this thing called Google.

148 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:27:32pm

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist

Ditto, except I also tell righties.

Damned righties, always pushing their Fairness Doctrines and what-not.

/

149 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:27:32pm

re: #134 DrNaughty

I have no doubt it's being directed from the White House via ColorOfChange

Probably.

It seems they have a network of non-profit types of organizations that all help each other.

That's what I thought the White House spam email issue was.

I'm on the board of a non-profit and we make deals all the time with our email list.

It's a commodity.

I think one of those groups gave their list to the WH, or at least to one of Axlerod's "groups."

They act like non-profits. They act like community organizers.

150 Dianna  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:27:40pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

*Shudder*

151 opnion  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:27:51pm

re: #134 DrNaughty

I have no doubt it's being directed from the White House via ColorOfChange

It does reek of Acorn type tactics, so probably is being directed from the White House via this Color of Change group.
You don't have to like Beck to be a little disturbed if the White House is the puppet master here.

152 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:28:02pm

re: #141 jantjepietje


And Imus got fired without even any campaigning from any pressure group his bosses just didn't have a spine.


Al Sharpton.

153 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:28:33pm

re: #143 cliffster

is there video of Beck calling Obama a racist?

Yes.

During the Katrina Telethon.

154 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:28:40pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck discusses his martyr cookie...
"I Was A Dirtbag & Liar But I'm Not Now!"

[Video]He gets a little weepy too.

i don't like beck for a number of reasons and I choose not to watch him but i don't what the gov't or some political group to make the choice for me.

155 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:28:41pm

re: #141 jantjepietje

I purposefully do not buy certain product because I think they are produced under unethical circumstances

Really? Which one(s)?

156 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:28:44pm

re: #143 cliffster

Yes.

157 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:29:03pm

Boycotts have no resonance if the target isn't vulnerable. Sponsors always calculate whether they want their name/image associated with a particular show. If you're in business, do you want to offend everyone who supports Obama, or at least doesn't like hearing the President called a "racist"?

Beck brought this on himself. If he redeems himself, he'll recover.

As for Whole Foods, I think that the publicity attendant upon that boycott will bring them even more business.

158 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:29:11pm

Wee wee on vacation

159 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:29:21pm

re: #154 yochanan

i don't like beck for a number of reasons and I choose not to watch him but i don't what the gov't or some political group to make the choice for me.

Agreed.

160 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:29:49pm

re: #155 midwestgak

I purposefully do not buy certain product because I think they are produced under unethical circumstances

Really? Which one(s)?

yeah that really hurt K-Mart some years ago when they sold Kathy Lee Gifford's line of clothes that were made in Aentral American sweat shops... NOT

161 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:29:53pm

re: #102 midwestgak

Hey, dude. I meant to ask you: Why the downding for my St Francis quote yesterday?

You don't like Francis?

Saints?

Quotes?

Dogs?

Seriously, I was flummoxed.

162 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:30:03pm

re: #125 sevoguy

Do you like Birchers?

163 astronmr20  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:30:13pm

It's too bad.

Beck does some good research and has some good points.

Unfortunately, since his Fox show, he has degraded into a weepy alarmist.

164 cliffster  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:30:16pm

re: #147 Cato the Elder

Yes. Try this thing called Google.

Thanks, the world needs assholes like you.

165 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:31:02pm

re: #56 mot

A Beck thread is always good for at least one flounce, huh?

I hope all the psycho nirther kids out there are watching, because that's the way you do a flounce properly. Get it all out in one post. None of this gradually beating around the bush with seemingly conciliatory stuff. E.g. "Charles has a point, and Darwin did have a few good ideas and everything. But, respectfully, shouldn't we be spending more time talking about all the black helicopters? And the secret government nanobots that are hiding in my drainpipe? "

No sir. You clear your throat, you wind up, and you flounce. Then you pack up your tin foil hat and hit the road.

166 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:31:06pm

re: #158 Ojoe

Wee wee on vacation


He continues to get his fill from the incontinental congress.

167 Danny  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:31:07pm

re: #164 cliffster

He's not kidding. Google really works.

168 alegrias  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:31:19pm

Fox' Brent Baer reporting that UNIONS are trying to remove Whole Foods Market Chairman John Mackey!

WHOA! Intolerant unions strike at those who oppose Pres. Obama's hostile takeover attempt on US healthcare.

169 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:31:42pm

Speaking of Al Sharpton ... he's one sin I do hold against Fox News. Were I black, I would be very unhappy with his position as "Black community spokesperson".

Thank goodness no one seems to think the right-handed balding middle-aged Bohunk-Irish-English community needs a spokesperson.

/

170 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:31:42pm

I've asked Mrs Naughty to make a special effort to buy some groceries at Whole Foods here in Atlanta.

It's not far from where she normally goes shopping and she told me there were about 5 winos (paid) that were standing in the area with signs to boycott the store..

171 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:31:45pm

re: #161 Cato the Elder

If it's just me, that's fine...

172 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:32:26pm

re: #136 Kosh's Shadow

The heaven's gate cult as I recall.

The joke was (several weeks after their "exit") —

Did you hear they found another of those heaven's gate morons?

Really, no kidding! Where?

Under the sink, next to the comet.

173 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:32:28pm

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist

Ditto, except I also tell righties.

It isn't the righties who have traditionally wailed "censorship!" every time somebody made a programming decision (see Dixie Chicks).

174 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:32:31pm

re: #163 astronmr20

It's too bad.

Beck does some good research and has some good points.

Unfortunately, since his Fox show, he has degraded into a weepy alarmist.

Alarmist, yep!
But, just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

175 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:32:33pm

BBL

176 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:32:40pm

re: #168 alegrias

Fox' Brent Baer reporting that UNIONS are trying to remove Whole Foods Market Chairman John Mackey!

WHOA! Intolerant unions strike at those who oppose Pres. Obama's hostile takeover attempt on US healthcare.

Well, I don't know, I think the unions are probably just angry because Whole Foods is a non-union shop. And it's making them look bad, because Whole Foods employees are happier and better taken care of then the workers at the union-controlled stores.

177 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:32:49pm

OK- someone help me out here.

The electorate was stupid enough to vote for obama, but I'm supposed to believe they're smart enough to know beck is a moron...? Are the people stupid or smart then?

178 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:33:33pm

re: #158 Ojoe

Wee weed on vacation

FTFY

179 Danny  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:33:38pm

re: #177 Sharmuta

Two different audiences/markets/idiots/whatever.

180 alegrias  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:33:40pm

re: #170 DrNaughty

I've asked Mrs Naughty to make a special effort to buy some groceries at Whole Foods here in Atlanta.

It's not far from where she normally goes shopping and she told me there were about 5 winos (paid) that were standing in the area with signs to boycott the store..

* * *
For what it's worth, last week bananas were 59 cents a pound at both Whole Foods and at Giant Food in Alexandria, VA.

181 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:33:49pm

re: #177 Sharmuta

OK- someone help me out here.

The electorate was stupid enough to vote for obama, but I'm supposed to believe they're smart enough to know beck is a moron...? Are the people stupid or smart then?

What we have here is a near 50/50 proposition, hence the confusion.

Sometimes we Yin, sometimes we Yang.

Better?

182 Neutral President  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:34:18pm

re: #162 Sharmuta

Do you like Birchers?

25:1 he's never heard of them.

Lower odds than for finding a Libertarian that thinks that Lew Rockwell is a racist.

183 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:34:19pm

re: #164 cliffster

Thanks, the world needs assholes like you.

ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?
the world has more than it's share of spinkters

184 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:34:37pm

re: #180 alegrias

* * *
For what it's worth, last week bananas were 59 cents a pound at both Whole Foods and at Giant Food in Alexandria, VA.

44 cents/lb at Kroger

Probably GMO Commie bananas, but, what the hell

/

185 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:34:46pm

re: #180 alegrias

For what it's worth, last week bananas were 59 cents a pound at both Whole Foods and at Giant Food in Alexandria, VA.

My local Whole Foods was having a little promotional display with two store receipts, showing that, if you stick mostly to their generic "365" brand, it's no more expensive to shop at Whole Foods than at other supermarkets.

186 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:34:46pm

re: #180 alegrias

* * *
For what it's worth, last week bananas were 59 cents a pound at both Whole Foods and at Giant Food in Alexandria, VA.

Same price? Well then, I'll take Whole Food bananas in support of Mackey.

187 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:34:56pm

re: #172 Ojoe

The heaven's gate cult as I recall.

The joke was (several weeks after their "exit") —

Did you hear they found another of those heaven's gate morons?

Really, no kidding! Where?

Under the sink, next to the comet.

That's what I was referring to.
Good joke, though.

188 cliffster  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:35:00pm

re: #177 Sharmuta

OK- someone help me out here.

The electorate was stupid enough to vote for obama, but I'm supposed to believe they're smart enough to know beck is a moron...? Are the people stupid or smart then?

There's lots of different kinds of people in the electorate. Some are maroons, some are not. The electorate that brought in Obama just happened to consist of more morons.

189 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:35:11pm
190 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:35:25pm

re: #141 jantjepietje

And Imus got fired without even any campaigning from any pressure group his bosses just didn't have a spine.

Or, they finally developed one. What kind of a nutjob goes around insulting college girls who never did anything to him?

191 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:35:43pm

re: #176 Last Mohican

same as the left attacks wal-mart except that whole foods sells mostly to leftists.

192 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:36:02pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Because I'd like to have two viable political parties to choose from.

To Dream The Impossible Dream...

193 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:36:13pm

re: #177 Sharmuta

OK- someone help me out here.

The electorate was stupid enough to vote for obama, but I'm supposed to believe they're smart enough to know beck is a moron...? Are the people stupid or smart then?

Beck has merely recognized and cashed in on an under-served market. The paranoid conspiracy culture typified by Alex Jones, the Birchers, etc. is huge and has been growing for many years. Yet no major media outlet would touch it until very recently, when Judge Napolitano tested the waters and Beck jumped in head first.

194 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:36:22pm

re: #189 buzzsawmonkey

Still waiting for an answer from earlier. The people pointing out beck's problematic hyperbole are the real problem?

195 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:36:31pm

re: #188 cliffster

There's lots of different kinds of people in the electorate. Some are maroons, some are not. The electorate that brought in Obama just happened to consist of more morons.

I prefer to think of most Obama voters as Gullible, the same kind that P.T. Barnum would go after a century and a half ago.

The technology changes but the human intellect is remarkably the same though history.

196 jantjepietje  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:36:45pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

Al Sharpton.

Oh come on you can't call what he did a campaign. Imus was fired within a day or two after the incident if that is the result of a campaigning by a pressure group than anyone saying anything on the radio is.

197 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:36:47pm

I'm off to pick up my Marine at the airport.
Later!

198 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:36:49pm

Shunning sounds like a religious or a social thing.
This is business, just like when athletes lose corporate sponsors when their conduct is bad for business.
It may also be politics, depending on whether the corporations are politically motivated.
It is also political if Beck's political enemies are calling for a commercial boycott by his sponsors.
Shunning...

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:36:53pm

re: #145 OldLineTexan

He's not that difficult to research, srsly.

;)

I really don't care to. I just...never...imagined him, you know...married.

200 alegrias  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:37:15pm

re: #176 Last Mohican

Well, I don't know, I think the unions are probably just angry because Whole Foods is a non-union shop. And it's making them look bad, because Whole Foods employees are happier and better taken care of then the workers at the union-controlled stores.

* * * *
There's plenty of anti-Whole Foods hysteria because John Mackey had the AUDACITY wrote an editorial in the Wall Street Journal with alternatives to lower medical expenses.

Last week, Russell Mokhiber, a lefty lawyer from "Single Payer Action," was spouting against Whole Foods because the store offered its employees the CHOICE to have Health Savings Accounts, and the employees VOTED YES.

201 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:37:16pm

Partial Foods

Also: anagram for "natural food"

rotunda loaf.

202 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:37:25pm

re: #176 Last Mohican

Well, I don't know, I think the unions are probably just angry because Whole Foods is a non-union shop.

As is Trader Joe's.

203 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:37:26pm

re: #56 mot

Bye now! Sorry, your flouncy flounce off has been deleted.

204 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:37:30pm
205 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:37:32pm

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

I really don't care to. I just...never...imagined him, you know...married.

birds do it, bees do it ...

/

206 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:37:49pm

re: #177 Sharmuta

OK- someone help me out here.

The electorate was stupid enough to vote for obama, but I'm supposed to believe they're smart enough to know beck is a moron...? Are the people stupid or smart then?

Well, I can only say that Bush was elected even with all that was done to derail him in 2004.
So, I'd say most people can watch something and still smell the bullshit.
Not all, but enough to matter. Seems a lot of people got swept up on Hopenosis, but they're starting to respond to stimuli again.

207 Lee Coller  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:37:54pm

re: #177 Sharmuta

OK- someone help me out here.

The electorate was stupid enough to vote for obama, but I'm supposed to believe they're smart enough to know beck is a moron...? Are the people stupid or smart then?

Let me try this, the stupid people voted for Obama, the smart ones did not, most of those watching Beck didn't vote for Obama, therefore they must be the smart ones. But if they're the smart ones, why are they watching Beck?

Wait, this isn't working.

208 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:37:56pm

Hey folks, check the spy. I think we may have a few of those trailing-edge stealth down-dinging Beckbots in the house.

209 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:38:08pm

re: #203 Charles

Bye now! Sorry, your flouncy flounce off has been deleted.

You have to admit, it makes threads smell fresher ...

210 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:38:17pm

re: #204 buzzsawmonkey

Why do you think the people pointing this out are a problem?

211 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:38:21pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Because I'd like to have two viable political parties to choose from.

I don't know what's truly in your heart Killgore, so I need believe you on this.

212 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:38:50pm

I hate boycotts. They're lame. The boycott of Whole Foods is lame, the boycott of Scotland is lame, and yes, the boycott of Glenn Beck is lame. I don't watch him so I won't opine one way or the other as to his credibility, but advertisers want to reach an audience. By assuming advertisers are merely "supporting" whoever they are (often randomly) slotted with, many self-proclaimed genius liberals miss the fact that the seller is actually just trying to reach a lot of eyeballs. That's why during, say, football season wherever you're located in the country, nationwide pizza chains will have specials focused on the local sports team. So too will you find multi-national corporations issuing ads on both liberal and conservative channels. Should you boycott Papa John's because you're a Redskins fan but up Packers way they have specials for Packers fans? Boycotting a company that happens to be slotted during a show you don't like is like boycotting a company based on a billboard of theirs that happens to be on a road in Klan country. If you REALLY want affect the activities of the company, take your eyes somewhere else. Their advertising will follow.

213 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:38:56pm

re: #204 buzzsawmonkey

Sorry, we are fresh out of Trotskyite-hunting gear today. It's on backorder.

BTW, your kit came in, but they won't have the caboodle in stock for six weeks.

214 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:39:12pm

re: #210 Sharmuta

A flounce of prevention is worth ...

215 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:39:12pm

re: #197 Irish Rose

are they in the same unit as hooserhoops son?

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:39:17pm

re: #148 OldLineTexan

Damned righties, always pushing their Fairness Doctrines and what-not.

/

Apparently you've never had the conversation where you disagree with someone's right-of-center political ideas, and they commence to whine about how the left (represented by your humble servant) is depriving them of their First Amendment rights. I have. A lot.

Neither wing is readily willing to admit that being disagreed with is not the same thing as being silenced.

217 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:39:29pm
218 alegrias  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:39:29pm

re: #184 OldLineTexan

44 cents/lb at Kroger

Probably GMO Commie bananas, but, what the hell

/

* * * *
Lucky You. Historic Alexandria, VA (where George Washington went to church & shipped things from) is leftist, inside the Beltway, full of limousine liberals who drive up all costs of living!

219 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:40:31pm

re: #213 OldLineTexan

BTW, your kit came in, but they won't have the caboodle in stock for six weeks.

what no ice picks?

220 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:41:02pm

re: #217 buzzsawmonkey

I didn't. Why are you avoiding answering the question? Who exactly are you talking about in #23? Specifically?

221 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:41:02pm

re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist

Apparently you've never had the conversation where you disagree with someone's right-of-center political ideas, and they commence to whine about how the left (represented by your humble servant) is depriving them of their First Amendment rights. I have. A lot.

Neither wing is readily willing to admit that being disagreed with is not the same thing as being silenced.

No, I'm fortunate enough to live where the exact opposite happens.

222 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:41:20pm

re: #161 Cato the Elder

It wasn't against St. Francis. I must have misunderstood your reason for quoting a prayer - Zoe being an animal and all. That's all that was. Thanks for asking me to explain.

btw - I'm not a dude. Dude. :)

223 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:41:48pm

re: #211 unrealizedviewpoint

I don't know what's truly in your heart Killgore, so I need believe you on this.

Believe it. In hindsight I should have voted Dem in 2008. There's a good possibility I'll vote Dem in 2012. I'd much rather vote Republican but that's looking pretty unlikely right now.

224 jantjepietje  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:41:52pm

re: #155 midwestgak

I purposefully do not buy certain product because I think they are produced under unethical circumstances

Really? Which one(s)?

Like these extremely large eggs I don't know the English name for them? but I worked in a chickenfarm for some time and these eggs are just too big for the chicken so every so often they rip their bottoms apart
Not bought them after that ever again

225 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:42:03pm

Yessir, we've got at least two stealth dingers crawling across the thread right now. Anyone got an old boot or something I can use for a second?

226 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:42:17pm

Landrieu says she would likely oppose government insurance option

U.S. Sen. Mary Landrieu told a relatively friendly overflow Monroe Chamber of Commerce crowd that she would likely oppose any government insurance option in health care reform and lobby against a proposed energy tax known as Cap and Trade.

Landrieu, D-La., who spoke during a chamber luncheon today, also met with local doctors earlier and briefly addressed about 15 demonstrators opposing a public insurance option and Cap and Trade.

When asked after her speech if the senator would support a public option under any circumstances, she said, “Very few, if any. I’d prefer a private market-based approach to any health care reform that would extend coverage.”

“I’d like to cover everyone — that would be the moral thing to do — but it would be immoral to bankrupt the country while doing so,” Landrieu said.

Feingold: no health reform before Christmas, if ever

/this is starting to beg the question, do they even have the 51 votes to jam this through by reconciliation?

227 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:42:19pm

re: #189 buzzsawmonkey

The same Republican who said, "You can't enrich the poor by impoverishing the rich."

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:42:45pm

re: #177 Sharmuta

OK- someone help me out here.

The electorate was stupid enough to vote for obama, but I'm supposed to believe they're smart enough to know beck is a moron...? Are the people stupid or smart then?

Sharm, it's pretty simple. The American people are wise, savvy, and smarter than given credit for by the eeelitists when they AGREE with you.

They are pathetic sheeple whose brains have been turned into tripe by TV and the celebrities of your choice when they DISAGREE with you.

Got me?

229 opnion  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:42:53pm

re: #222 midwestgak

It wasn't against St. Francis. I must have misunderstood your reason for quoting a prayer - Zoe being an animal and all. That's all that was. Thanks for asking me to explain.

btw - I'm not a dude. Dude. :)


Watch it, he'll call you Palin.

230 Gus  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:43:08pm

Looking through the news for new and ongoing boycotts. Let's see. The American Family Association was or has been promoting a boycott against Disney for same-sex benefits and Pepsi for something they call a "homosexual agenda." They're apparently behind a boycott against Blockbuster for carrying NC-17 movies.

Then there's the dangling GM boycott and Whole Foods. There's also the MSNBC/GE boycott being promoted by various groups.

231 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:43:10pm

re: #220 Sharmuta

Why are you asking so many questions? This world needs answers!/

232 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:43:20pm

re: #212 Diamond Bullet

Beck not only gets a martyr cookie from this, he will almost certainly win out in the end, when advertisers come back. He will then get to portray himself as a victorious martyr, prevailing single-handedly against the obammunist media-minions. The result may be Beck as a major hero and national voice in ways he would not otherwise have been.

233 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:43:37pm

re: #217 buzzsawmonkey

Why do you always answer a question with a question?

She is obviously a rabbi.

234 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:43:48pm

Part of me wants to go and advertise on Beck's whacko nutjob show because I find pretentious leftwing whacko nutjob organizations who actually act on their threats to intimidate more menacing.

235 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:43:58pm

re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist

Sharm, it's pretty simple. The American people are wise, savvy, and smarter than given credit for by the eeelitists when they AGREE with you.

They are pathetic sheeple whose brains have been turned into tripe by TV and the celebrities of your choice when they DISAGREE with you.

Got me?

I wish I could ding you more than once. Well stated.

236 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:44:03pm
237 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:44:28pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Believe it. In hindsight I should have voted Dem in 2008. There's a good possibility I'll vote Dem in 2012. I'd much rather vote Republican but that's looking pretty unlikely right now.

You really do like this guy Obama. Wow!

238 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:44:39pm

re: #231 quickjustice

Why are you asking so many questions? This world needs answers!/

Because I enjoy watching people tap dance.

239 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:44:41pm

re: #233 Spare O'Lake

The Irish often do that too.

240 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:44:44pm

re: #206 SasquatchOnSteroids

Well, I can only say that Bush was elected even with all that was done to derail him in 2004.
So, I'd say most people can watch something and still smell the bullshit.
Not all, but enough to matter. Seems a lot of people got swept up on Hopenosis, but they're starting to respond to stimuli again.

I firmly believe that a good percent of the population sat out the election last year because their choice was between democrat and democrat light. I also believe that a good many people that voted for Johnny Mac did so because he was the 'best' bad choice.

241 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:44:57pm

re: #195 DrNaughty

I prefer to think of most Obama voters as Gullible, the same kind that P.T. Barnum would go after a century and a half ago.

I'm trying to be optimistic, and think of them as uninformed, lazy, and with a short attention span. The whole MSM establishment decided to turn itself into a public relations firm. They hid the facts, and cooked up whole fictional identity for Obama, and people were having too much fun to return to reality.

242 cliffster  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:45:31pm

re: #227 quickjustice

The same Republican who said, "You can't enrich the poor by impoverishing the rich."

How about, You can't enrich the rich or the poor by spending all of their grandkids' money"?

243 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:45:48pm

re: #221 OldLineTexan

No, I'm fortunate enough to live where the exact opposite happens.

Trust me, it's the same whine, just with different bad facts and politicians' names put in the blanks. I've heard both.

244 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:45:51pm

re: #203 Charles

Bye now! Sorry, your flouncy flounce off has been deleted.

Should have ignored it. No one would have missed it and it actually would be kind of fun to taunt if it posted again.

245 NoWhereAlaska  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:45:58pm

Interesting news on Beck:

Though a little scandal might alienate advertisers, it’s pure ratings gold. Last night Glenn Beck had over 3 million viewers at 5pm, second only to O’Reilly for the night. But, Beck had more 25-54 viewers than O’Reilly (888K to 876K).
246 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:46:41pm

re: #239 Ojoe

The Irish often do that too.

Why do you say that?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

247 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:46:44pm

re: #224 jantjepietje

Like these extremely large eggs I don't know the English name for them? but I worked in a chickenfarm for some time and these eggs are just too big for the chicken so every so often they rip their bottoms apart
Not bought them after that ever again

I've never heard of that before. What do they do to the chickens to make the eggs extremely large?

248 alegrias  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:47:21pm

Charles Krauthammer just said "You gotta love Howard Dean" for telling the TRUHT! Commenting on video showing Dr. Howard Dean at the Virginia Town Hall Meeting on taking over US healthcare, saying there's NO TORT REFORM in the "reform" bill because it would offend TRIAL LAWYERS!

Fox News /Brent Baer.

249 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:47:42pm

re: #226 Killian Bundy

Landrieu says she would likely oppose government insurance option

Feingold: no health reform before Christmas, if ever

/this is starting to beg the question, do they even have the 51 votes to jam this through by reconciliation?

Landrieau's own quote says it all - it would be immoral to bankrupt the country by passing this bill. And with deficit projections growing by huge leaps from their already astronomical levels, that's a safe position to take. No one believes such deficits are sustainable, and adding another gigantic government boondoggle to the plate is, quite simply, asinine and wrong.

I'm guessing the Dems will severely retool their proposals, shrink them down to include insurance reform and little else, and declare victory when such new regulations pass. It's becoming political suicide to support this outrageous expenditure, even for Democrats.

250 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:47:59pm

re: #236 buzzsawmonkey

Don't answer me then. Your silence speaks volumes.

251 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:48:06pm

who said I from the gov't and I am here to help.

252 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:48:07pm

re: #240 Truck Monkey

I firmly believe that a good percent of the population sat out the election last year because their choice was between democrat and democrat light. I also believe that a good many people that voted for Johnny Mac did so because he was the 'best' bad choice.

Agreed. I voted against a candidate, not really for one.

253 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:48:13pm

Meltdowns in several threads. It's a meltfest!

254 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:48:22pm

re: #248 alegrias

Charles Krauthammer just said "You gotta love Howard Dean" for telling the TRUHT! Commenting on video showing Dr. Howard Dean at the Virginia Town Hall Meeting on taking over US healthcare, saying there's NO TORT REFORM in the "reform" bill because it would offend TRIAL LAWYERS!

Fox News /Brent Baer.

You don't upset those who keep giving you money.

255 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:48:27pm

re: #248 alegrias

Charles Krauthammer just said "You gotta love Howard Dean" for telling the TRUHT! Commenting on video showing Dr. Howard Dean at the Virginia Town Hall Meeting on taking over US healthcare, saying there's NO TORT REFORM in the "reform" bill because it would offend TRIAL LAWYERS!

Fox News /Brent Baer.

actually the exact quote is better:

“The reason tort reform is not in the [health care] bill is because the people who wrote it did not want to take on the trial lawyers in addition to everybody else they were taking on. And that’s the plain and simple truth,”

256 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:48:48pm

re: #247 midwestgak

I've never heard of that before. What do they do to the chickens to make the eggs extremely large?

I think they feed them a cocktail of mercury, human growth hormone, and depleted uranium. It's a Halliburton product, "Clucker Rip."

257 JCM  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:48:52pm

Rep. Markey CO. (D) forgot to stick to the taking points.

Medicare will take hit

Markey has repeatedly said during the August congressional recess that Medicare spending needs to be reined in to help pay for reforming the broader health-care system.

"There's going to be some people who are going to have to give up some things, honestly, for all of this to work," Markey said at a Congress on Your Corner event at CSU. "But we have to do this because we're Americans."

258 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:48:59pm

re: #253 Charles

Meltdowns in several threads. It's a meltfest!

Do meltdowns contribute to global warming?

259 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:49:02pm
260 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:49:25pm

re: #259 buzzsawmonkey

Just answer the question!

261 ichef  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:49:57pm

re: #253 Charles

Meltdowns in several threads. It's a meltfest!

like a snowcone on a hot sidewalk ...

262 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:50:15pm

re: #251 yochanan

who said I from the gov't and I am here to help.

The snake in the Garden of Eden. It's been downhill ever since.
//

263 JCM  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:50:18pm

re: #258 Last Mohican

Do meltdowns contribute to global warming?

No, but it very hard to get off the grill, it easier to replace the grill than clean it.

264 Gus  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:50:54pm

re: #253 Charles

Meltdowns in several threads. It's a meltfest!

It's a Howard Beale moment in more ways than one.

265 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:51:11pm

re: #21 Ben Hur

Did anyone check that these companies actually had commercials during Beck's show?

Is his show 1 minute of him talking and 59 minutes of commercials from 30 companies?

It's Fox News Channel, so yes.

266 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:51:14pm

I have decided to use the capital building behind Durer death and hour glass figure, can't say I want a visit from the secret service so I guess fear of a official visit puts a damper on artistic creativity.

267 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:51:15pm

re: #185 Last Mohican

My local Whole Foods was having a little promotional display with two store receipts, showing that, if you stick mostly to their generic "365" brand, it's no more expensive to shop at Whole Foods than at other supermarkets.

That's been my experience. Their produce prices are usually good, if you stay away from the organic stuff. The 365 brand is excellent - I stock up on canned beans of all types when I'm there. My branch has a good selection of premade or partially prepared foods - pizzas ready to bake, veggie burritos, etc. You can get a whole meal - for example, pork chops, rice, veggies, and a container of salad - for $14.99 to serve 4.

268 alegrias  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:51:39pm

re: #254 DrNaughty

You don't upset those who keep giving you money.

* * * *
President Obama won't upset those who keep healthcare expensive & doctors defensive!

Nor will Obama break the monopolies each state has on health insurance.

If we could buy whatever insurance was available all across the country, it would be like Moore's law: how computer prices came down when you had a CHOICE.

269 kynna  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:52:05pm

re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist

Apparently you've never had the conversation where you disagree with someone's right-of-center political ideas, and they commence to whine about how the left (represented by your humble servant) is depriving them of their First Amendment rights. I have. A lot.

Neither wing is readily willing to admit that being disagreed with is not the same thing as being silenced.

The Fairness Doctrine is more than "disagreement". Democrats have threatened networks' broadcast licenses in the past for criticizing other Democrats (ABC and The Road to 911 for example). These are far from simple "disagreements" and certainly are cause for concern regarding the First Amendment.

270 tveitskog  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:52:18pm

ColorOfChange.org is a far left (Marxist) group. If they can get Beck off the air, beware they will be coming after anyone with an opposing opinion. This is just the good old Marxist way of demonizing your opponents.

271 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:52:44pm

re: #210 Sharmuta

Why do you think the people pointing this out are a problem?

It's bs monkey's old routine "X is bad but it's those who oppose X that really disgust me". Seen it many, many times. Getting old now.

272 alegrias  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:52:47pm

re: #255 unrealizedviewpoint

actually the exact quote is better:

“The reason tort reform is not in the [health care] bill is because the people who wrote it did not want to take on the trial lawyers in addition to everybody else they were taking on. And that’s the plain and simple truth,”

* * * *
Thank you for accuracy in quoting Howard Dean's moment of truth. Yeargh!

273 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:52:48pm
274 capitalist piglet  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:52:50pm

re: #259 buzzsawmonkey

SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!

275 Spartacus50  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:53:06pm

Apparently, Glenn Beck is tops in ratings for the week. No wonder why most of these companies are in the shitter.

276 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:53:06pm

re: #270 tveitskog

Because calling the President a racist on national television isn't demonizing.

[eye roll]

277 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:53:52pm
278 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:54:22pm

re: #272 alegrias

* * * *
Thank you for accuracy in quoting Howard Dean's moment of truth. Yeargh!


Glad I could oblige. I just happened to have it sitting right here. :)

279 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:54:38pm

re: #276 Sharmuta

Because calling the President a racist on national television isn't demonizing.

[eye roll]

Of course calling him Hitler is perfectly acceptable...

280 alegrias  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:54:56pm

re: #266 yochanan

I have decided to use the capital building behind Durer death and hour glass figure, can't say I want a visit from the secret service so I guess fear of a official visit puts a damper on artistic creativity.

* * * *
Couldn't you have used the President's "0"? Or would that be more dangerous? Or is it copyright protected?

281 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:55:17pm

re: #276 Sharmuta

Because calling the President a racist on national television isn't demonizing.

[eye roll]

OH! But Kanye West did it first, so I'm sure it's okay now.

[eye roll]

282 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:55:22pm

re: #278 unrealizedviewpoint

Glad I could oblige. I just happened to have it sitting right here. :)

You've got Howard Dean with you right now? ;-)

283 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:55:31pm

re: #42 Cato the Elder

The thing is, well all live in that gunpowder factory.

If something bad happens to the POTUS, Beck will be in part to blame.

IIRC, Bill Clinton tried to blame talk radio in general and Rush Limbaugh in particular for the Oklahoma City bombing. I don't recall any connection between Timothy McVeigh and talk radio, though.

284 kynna  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:55:38pm

I am always warning my conservative friends off of Beck. They think he's funny and agree he's a nutjob, but this is going to get them riled up. In a way, it definitely should rile them up. But in another way it's just going give Beck some kind of martyr street cred and that's not a good thing.

285 opnion  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:55:47pm

re: #269 kynna

The Fairness Doctrine is more than "disagreement". Democrats have threatened networks' broadcast licenses in the past for criticizing other Democrats (ABC and The Road to 911 for example). These are far from simple "disagreements" and certainly are cause for concern regarding the First Amendment.

The Fairness Doctrine this go around is nothing but a sleazy attempt by Dems to silence opposition. People choose to listen to Conservative Talk Radio, Rush Limbaugh does not send thugs after you.
The Left has the MSM, but one Cable Network & Talk Radio make them nuts.

286 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:55:52pm

re: #279 DrNaughty

Of course calling him Hitler is perfectly acceptable...

Exactly! We all get to play in the gutter now! Hooray!

287 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:56:15pm

re: #270 tveitskog

ColorOfChange.org is a far left (Marxist) group. If they can get Beck off the air, beware they will be coming after anyone with an opposing opinion. This is just the good old Marxist way of demonizing your opponents.

It's the Obama way...

288 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:56:16pm

re: #282 Truck Monkey

You've got Howard Dean with you right now? ;-)

The screams are deafening.

289 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:56:24pm

re: #266 yochanan

I have decided to use the capital building behind Durer death and hour glass figure, can't say I want a visit from the secret service so I guess fear of a official visit puts a damper on artistic creativity.

I honestly like the Capitol better. If you post the finished product online, I'd love a link to see it, here or on FB.

290 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:56:30pm

re: #275 Spartacus50

ever hear of trotskeyite group called the spartaus league?

moonbat crazy the the 10th power.

291 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:56:40pm

re: #279 DrNaughty

Of course calling him Hitler is perfectly acceptable...

You guys have now piled so many layers of sarcasm on top of each other that you've exceeded the stack limit on my sarcasm parser. Now I'm not even sure who I agree with.

292 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:57:52pm

re: #283 Son of the Black Dog

i think i will start calling this occupant of Penn ave POTU$ to make a distention from earlier ones.

293 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:58:40pm

re: #281 Sharmuta

OH! But Kanye West did it first, so I'm sure it's okay now.

[eye roll]

Eye roll.

294 LGoPs  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:58:40pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

I predict a meltdown before 50.

Damn. I missed 50. Guess I'll hold fire till next time.
/

295 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:58:55pm

re: #291 Last Mohican

You guys have now piled so many layers of sarcasm on top of each other that you've exceeded the stack limit on my sarcasm parser. Now I'm not even sure who I agree with.

Of course there isn't anything racist about letting Black Panthers off the hook for voter intimidation, and prosecuting CIA officers for "harsh interrogation techniques" on those who want to kill Americans...

One has to wonder if KKK members standing in front of polls in Watts would recieve the same level of justice as the Black Panthers in Philadelphia did...

296 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:59:07pm

re: #9 unrealizedviewpoint

Are you certain everything coming out of Becks mouth is meaningless? What's Carl Rove doing hanging around with Beck? Rove did an interview on Becks show last night. Rove is willing to hang with the guy. Most ppl here respect Rove (I think). What's with that? Maybe there is something...to some of Becks message(s)?

Who said everything coming from him was meaningless? I kind of liked him when I first saw his show; but then something else started creeping out.

297 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:59:23pm

re: #291 Last Mohican

using HERR SNICKLEGRUBER means you have lost what ever arguement you were in. Unless you were talking about germany in the late 30's and early 40's

298 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:59:41pm

re: #295 DrNaughty

One has to wonder if KKK members standing in front of polls in Watts would recieve the same level of justice as the Black Panthers in Philadelphia did...

They wouldn't have survived to be taken downtown for booking.

299 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:59:44pm

re: #273 buzzsawmonkey

No. You are too busy looking for "gotchas" that you can twist into deviations from some private party line of your own. I do not consider that being an honest partner in discussion.

What's not honest is you not clarifying your own comments when asked about them. You didn't answer me, and that leads me assume there's an uncomfortable reason as to why. If you don't like these assumptions being made about you by me or possibly others reading this, it's up to you to clarify what you mean. Go ahead and don't answer me.

Your contempt for those noting beck's problematic hyperbole is noted.

300 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:59:54pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

The companies get bombarded with emails, calls and faxes. The Koskidz post regular lists with contact info. They harass the companies. It's standard procedure. As much as I detest Beck (along with his supporters and apologists) I don't support this boycott.

I have to disagree on this, KT. It's not harassment to write a company about its policies-- advertising or other. Assuming the emails, faxes, and letters aren't abusive or threatening, that is.

This is essentially voting with your feet: if you don't like what a company's doing, you don't buy its products, shop there, whatever. I can't see anything wrong with it. The companies are free to ignore consumer complaints, or make their own determination about whether those complaining are actual consumers of their products.

And frankly, as much as it may help the left to have Beck out there in one way, I would far rather see a good opposition party rather than one that has apparently decided to pander to the wingnut lunatic fringe.

I despise the lunatic rhetoric and misinformation Beck spews. I think it's destructive to our political discourse, and certainly has the potential to contribute to acts of violence. He's part of that whole climate now-- and there has already been that one incident of the armed female Beck listener freaked out about FEMA camps.

I share your concerns about the political climate and the potential for violence right now, and Beck is part of that.

301 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:00:02pm

You know, just a few years ago, a radical communist black nationalist wouldn't even be welcome at a city councillors' meeting most places in America. Now one has just been appointed a senior advisor to the president! And furthermore, a few years ago we wouldn't have a shrill, hysterical maniac to go on national TV and warn us about it every night.

Ah, America. Land of opportunity.

302 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:00:20pm

re: #277 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sorry, they're full of pot right now, and I just lit them.

Well, pass it on you neo maxi zoom dweebie !

//

303 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:00:34pm

re: #284 kynna

I am always warning my conservative friends off of Beck. They think he's funny and agree he's a nutjob, but this is going to get them riled up. In a way, it definitely should rile them up. But in another way it's just going give Beck some kind of martyr street cred and that's not a good thing.

They think he's funny and agree he's a nutjob,
Yep. he is. Even Beck agrees I'd bet. The folks aren't as dumb as me. They know Becks nuts. But they know there's something there too. They don't know what, but something. Folks are having a ball and learnin' too. He's like my crazy science teacher who broke a beaker a day to get my attention.

304 LGoPs  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:00:40pm

re: #119 unrealizedviewpoint

Are you a republican? If not why are you so worried about the damage Beck is doing to the republican party?

Hell, he doesn't even vote. Just lots of noise.

305 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:01:25pm

re: #295 DrNaughty

i would suspect streets and san would have to come to clean up the remains.

306 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:02:19pm

re: #245 NoWhereAlaska

Interesting news on Beck:

Though a little scandal might alienate advertisers, it’s pure ratings gold. Last night Glenn Beck had over 3 million viewers at 5pm, second only to O’Reilly for the night. But, Beck had more 25-54 viewers than O’Reilly (888K to 876K).

Over three million viewers. How much over, I wonder?

Still, that number is like less than one percent of the total U.S. population. Less than 1%.

Hmmm. I actually feel a little better now, thanks. :)

307 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:03:10pm

re: #298 doppelganglander

They wouldn't have survived to be taken downtown for booking.

With no prosecutions ...

308 tveitskog  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:03:22pm

re: #279 DrNaughty

President not a racist? Attended a racist, hate whitey and Jews church for twenty years. Calling his grandmother a typical white person. I have a test, turn this around and put a white in this situation. I’m sure he would be called a racist. I know I would.

[eye roll]

309 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:04:19pm

re: #303 unrealizedviewpoint

They think he's funny and agree he's a nutjob,
Yep. he is. Even Beck agrees I'd bet. The folks aren't as dumb as me. They know Becks nuts. But they know there's something there too. They don't know what, but something. Folks are having a ball and learnin' too. He's like my crazy science teacher who broke a beaker a day to get my attention.

Yeah he's actually like really goood when you, um think about it///

Bollocks. He' s a nut who is spreading paranoia and idiocy. That's all there is to it.

310 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:05:55pm

re: #306 Slumbering Behemoth

Over three million viewers. How much over, I wonder?

Still, that number is like less than one percent of the total U.S. population. Less than 1%.

Hmmm. I actually feel a little better now, thanks. :)

CBS evening news has about 6 million. Beck has 3 million, plus with the 2 additional nightly airings he may add up close to Katie Couric numbers.

311 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:06:18pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

The companies get bombarded with emails, calls and faxes. The Koskidz post regular lists with contact info. They harass the companies. It's standard procedure. As much as I detest Beck (along with his supporters and apologists) I don't support this boycott.

Thank you. I feel exactly the same way.

312 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:06:26pm

re: #308 tveitskog

President not a racist? Attended a racist, hate whitey and Jews church for twenty years. Calling his grandmother a typical white person. I have a test, turn this around and put a white in this situation. I’m sure he would be called a racist. I know I would.

[eye roll]

But he never heard any of Rev Wright's hate filled speeches... That's what Obama said...

313 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:06:53pm

re: #309 Jimmah

Yeah he's actually like really goood when you, um think about it///

Bollocks. He' s a nut who is spreading paranoia and idiocy. That's all there is to it.

Yeah! Another democrat heard from.

314 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:07:00pm

re: #308 tveitskog

President not a racist? Attended a racist, hate whitey and Jews church for twenty years. Calling his grandmother a typical white person. I have a test, turn this around and put a white in this situation. I’m sure he would be called a racist. I know I would.

[eye roll]

If Barack Obama is a sekrit racist with a deep-seated hatred of white people, his life must be a living hell. He's around white people constantly, all day every day of the year. And for that matter, he has been for years.

Shows you just how truly diabolical his racist hatred is. He manages to hide it so well.

cough

315 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:07:24pm

re: #314 Charles

If Barack Obama is a sekrit racist with a deep-seated hatred of white people, his life must be a living hell. He's around white people constantly, all day every day of the year. And for that matter, he has been for years.

Shows you just how truly diabolical his racist hatred is. He manages to hide it so well.

cough

Michelle doesn't...

316 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:07:59pm

re: #306 Slumbering Behemoth

Over three million viewers. How much over, I wonder?

Still, that number is like less than one percent of the total U.S. population. Less than 1%.

Hmmm. I actually feel a little better now, thanks. :)

But you forgot. Every one of those viewers believes everything Beck says is true. Danger alarm.

/s

Not every one of CBS News viewers believes everything they report.
Not every one of CNNs' viewers believe everything they report.
Same with Fox. My BS meter works just fine.

317 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:08:17pm

re: #314 Charles

If Barack Obama is a sekrit racist with a deep-seated hatred of white people, his life must be a living hell. He's around white people constantly, all day every day of the year. And for that matter, he has been for years.

Shows you just how truly diabolical his racist hatred is. He manages to hide it so well.

cough

I see you have a little cough today Charles.
:)

318 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:08:55pm

re: #310 unrealizedviewpoint

Still less than 1% of the U.S. population, and a fact that still makes me feel better. I guess us average Americans aren't as dumb as some Europeans have been telling us we are.

319 Spartacus50  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:09:21pm

Whatever one's opinion is of Beck, he is paid to offer opinions. As distasteful as some of his comments may be, what I find more repulsive are those looking to silence dissent.
Color of Change believes in far scarier things than anything Beck has said.

320 cliffster  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:09:23pm

re: #314 Charles

If Barack Obama is a sekrit racist with a deep-seated hatred of white people, his life must be a living hell. He's around white people constantly, all day every day of the year. And for that matter, he has been for years.

Shows you just how truly diabolical his racist hatred is. He manages to hide it so well.

cough

It's not whether it makes sense or not, it's the fact that if you turned it around with someone who was white, they would get called racist by way more than just one strange man. And nobody would get boycotted.

321 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:09:29pm
322 Gus  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:09:34pm

"Oligarhy!"

//

323 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:09:49pm

re: #314 Charles

i think it was more for political expediency he needed to appear MORE BLACK when he ran for state sen. his normal chatting class snobbery did not sell in the ghetto

the fact that the rev. wrights racism did not bother the zero is a problem though

324 LGoPs  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:09:59pm

re: #314 Charles

If Barack Obama is a sekrit racist with a deep-seated hatred of white people, his life must be a living hell. He's around white people constantly, all day every day of the year. And for that matter, he has been for years.

Shows you just how truly diabolical his racist hatred is. He manages to hide it so well.

cough

I wouldn't say his life is hell. He is surrounded by white people that worship him, far out of proportion to any accomplishments of his, other than getting elected President.
The media fawns over him. Not a bad life at all.

325 sngnsgt  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:10:08pm

Even as a regular Fox viewer, for me, Beck goes a little over the top sometimes.

326 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:10:17pm

re: #313 unrealizedviewpoint

Yeah! Another democrat heard from.

Because only democrats oppose Glenn Becks stupidity and paranoia. And even if i was a democrat, would that invalidate my opinion?

Again, bollocks.

327 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:11:34pm

re: #315 DrNaughty

Michelle doesn't...

Yeah. Michelle hates white people so much she married a half-white guy.

Please.

/i hear there's a tape of Michelle talking about 'whitey'! This is great news for Republicans!

328 Racer X  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:11:37pm

What is the difference between a cabinet member and a Czar?

329 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:11:46pm

I don't know if Barack Obama has a deep-seated hatred of white people. I don't see the evidence of it.

But I do see a lot of people with a deep-seated need to believe he does.

330 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:11:47pm

re: #326 Jimmah

Because only democrats oppose Glenn Becks stupidity and paranoia. And even if i was a democrat, would that invalidate my opinion?

Again, bollocks.

Your opinion is noted.

331 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:12:05pm

re: #328 Racer X

What is the difference between a cabinet member and a Czar?

Astro-turfer !!

332 Alaska kim  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:12:28pm

re: #325 sngnsgt

Even as a regular Fox viewer, for me, Beck goes a little over the top sometimes.

Yeah, a little too much drama for me.

333 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:12:31pm

re: #328 Racer X

What is the difference between a cabinet member and a Czar?

One, a Czar need not be confirmed by the Senate.

334 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:12:40pm

re: #321 buzzsawmonkey

This is really beneath you.

335 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:13:04pm

re: #333 unrealizedviewpoint

One, a Czar need not be confirmed by the Senate.

Also they don't have to pay taxes

336 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:13:33pm

re: #329 Charles

I don't know if Barack Obama has a deep-seated hatred of white people. I don't see the evidence of it.

But I do see a lot of people with a deep-seated need to believe he does.

Agreed. I see absolutely no racists tendencies. I really don't think he thinks that way.

337 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:13:51pm

re: #335 DrNaughty

Also they don't have to pay taxes

Excellent!

338 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:14:30pm

re: #337 unrealizedviewpoint

Excellent!

Or go though FBI Background checks...

339 Racer X  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:14:58pm

re: #333 unrealizedviewpoint

One, a Czar need not be confirmed by the Senate.

So does a Czar have the same power / influence as a cabinet member?

340 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:15:11pm

re: #336 unrealizedviewpoint

Agreed. I see absolutely no racists tendencies. I really don't think he thinks that way.

He's a true liberal looking out for the benefit of the worlds most needy, democrats.
/

341 charpete67  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:15:31pm

re: #336 unrealizedviewpoint

Agreed. I see absolutely no racists tendencies. I really don't think he thinks that way.

I don't see him as racist...but, if you look at how the Crowley deal was handled, he still has baggage.

342 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:15:47pm

re: #312 DrNaughty

But he never heard any of Rev Wright's hate filled speeches... That's what Obama said...

Of course, Obama was lying. He heard plenty of Wright's speeches. And he must have read at least a few of the church newsletters, full of glowing praise for Hamas and Louis Farrakhan. Obama was a proud member of an anti-Semitic hate group for several decades.

Does that make him a racist? I don't know what he feels in his heart. "Typical white person" borders on racist. His statement that hatred like that of Reverend Wright is an extricable part of the black experience in America was, I think, quite racist, and quite offensive. I'm furious with him for saying that, and I'd be even more furious if I were black. But that's the only overtly racist thing I've ever heard him say.

One thing's for sure: even if hanging out at TUCC for 20 years doesn't make him a racist, it makes him absolutely, positively unfit for the presidency.

343 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:16:10pm

re: #339 Racer X

So does a Czar have the same power / influence as a cabinet member?

They report directly to the President.. who then can direct his cabinet member to draft a policy along the lines of the advice given to him by the Czar...

344 LGoPs  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:16:28pm

re: #299 Sharmuta

Your contempt for those noting beck's problematic hyperbole is noted.

Jeez looeez. There's a chilling scene in Dr Zhivago where the local housing commissar scolds Zhivago and says "Your attitude is noted. It is noted", that your scolding reminds me of.

345 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:16:31pm

re: #339 Racer X

So does a Czar have the same power / influence as a cabinet member?

Czars advice the President and have powers the President bestows upon them. I'm sure we'll learn much more soon.

346 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:16:35pm

Of Blind Squirrels and Broken Watches.

The Boy Who Cried Wolf was eventually right that one time, but by then everyone was so sick of the lying little bastard that no one gave a damn.

347 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:16:40pm

re: #321 buzzsawmonkey

Clearly, you've already made your assumptions, and will continue to do so whether or not I clarify anything. I've seen you go for the intentional misread many times; it's an occupational hazard of habitually reading between the lines according to a preconceived template. In the end, sadly, it can no longer be controlled, just as Dr. Jekyll could no longer control his transformations.

Please accept my sympathy.

So you won't answer a simple question because of a misread by Sharmuta - which you predict will occur in the future? LOL. That's just hilarious.

People sometimes misread my posts - doesn't inhibit me from posting my views though. What's your problem?

348 charpete67  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:16:41pm

re: #342 Last Mohican

Of course, Obama was lying. He heard plenty of Wright's speeches. And he must have read at least a few of the church newsletters, full of glowing praise for Hamas and Louis Farrakhan. Obama was a proud member of an anti-Semitic hate group for several decades.

Does that make him a racist? I don't know what he feels in his heart. "Typical white person" borders on racist. His statement that hatred like that of Reverend Wright is an extricable part of the black experience in America was, I think, quite racist, and quite offensive. I'm furious with him for saying that, and I'd be even more furious if I were black. But that's the only overtly racist thing I've ever heard him say.

One thing's for sure: even if hanging out at TUCC for 20 years doesn't make him a racist, it makes him absolutely, positively unfit for the presidency.

but...what would that make a white guy in the reverse situation?

349 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:16:55pm
350 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:16:56pm

re: #339 Racer X

So does a Czar have the same power / influence as a cabinet member?

A czar is reports to/is accountable to the president. Not the House or Senate or Congress or us.

351 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:17:32pm

re: #342 Last Mohican

Of course, Obama was lying. He heard plenty of Wright's speeches. And he must have read at least a few of the church newsletters, full of glowing praise for Hamas and Louis Farrakhan. Obama was a proud member of an anti-Semitic hate group for several decades.

Does that make him a racist? I don't know what he feels in his heart. "Typical white person" borders on racist. His statement that hatred like that of Reverend Wright is an extricable part of the black experience in America was, I think, quite racist, and quite offensive. I'm furious with him for saying that, and I'd be even more furious if I were black. But that's the only overtly racist thing I've ever heard him say.

One thing's for sure: even if hanging out at TUCC for 20 years doesn't make him a racist, it makes him absolutely, positively unfit for the presidency.

Birds of a feather flock together...

352 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:18:12pm

re: #350 midwestgak

A czar is reports to/is accountable to the president. Not the House or Senate or Congress or us.

Ding-Ding-Ding
Best answer.

353 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:18:33pm

re: #306 Slumbering Behemoth

Over three million viewers. How much over, I wonder?

Still, that number is like less than one percent of the total U.S. population. Less than 1%.

Hmmm. I actually feel a little better now, thanks. :)

One must measure that 3 million figure against actual televsion viewers, an amount I would guess is considerably less than 300,000,000.
For instance, roughly 20% of the population is under 15. Most, I assume are not into television news/opinion.
Many homes don't have cable. Many don't watch television.
Jess Sayin'.

354 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:18:41pm

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but...Beck is a ratings winner, it seems

Don't shoot the messenger.

355 tveitskog  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:18:42pm

re: #314 Charles

Would you call a white in the same situation a racist? This double standard is not good for our Country. And last time I looked there are many more white guys out there and they are kind of hard to avoid. Plus, even Bush was called a racist and just about everything else.

356 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:19:27pm

re: #355 tveitskog

Would you call a white in the same situation a racist? This double standard is not good for our Country. And last time I looked there are many more white guys out there and they are kind of hard to avoid. Plus, even Bush was called a racist and just about everything else.

A leftist calling Bush Hitler is not the same as a white guy calling Obama a racist...

357 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:19:49pm

re: #334 Sharmuta

This is really beneath you.

Another well worn buzzsawmonkey tactic - and one that I've been on the recieving end of myself a few times - when you're on the ropes - launch a snotty, condescending personal attack.

358 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:19:49pm

re: #350 midwestgak

A czar is reports to/is accountable to the president. Not the House or Senate or Congress or us.

When you wish upon a czar,
makes no difference who you are...

359 Racer X  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:20:42pm

re: #350 midwestgak

A czar is reports to/is accountable to the president. Not the House or Senate or Congress or us.

But is paid a salary out of the general fund? In other words they work for you and me. Shouldn't we have a say in who these people are? How much money do they make?

360 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:20:51pm

re: #353 solomonpanting

All very true, but that still leaves his viewership at less than 1% of the U.S. population.

/quit trying to burst my bubble, I was feeling relieved for a moment there :)

361 cliffster  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:21:11pm

re: #356 DrNaughty

A leftist calling Bush Hitler is not the same as a white guy calling Obama a racist...

Ok.. but how about calling him a racist? Is a white guy calling Obama a racist different from a black guy calling Bush a racist?

362 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:21:16pm

re: #359 Racer X

But is paid a salary out of the general fund? In other words they work for you and me. Shouldn't we have a say in who these people are? How much money do they make?

Yes and fat chance that will happen

363 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:21:19pm

re: #355 tveitskog

Would you call a white in the same situation a racist? This double standard is not good for our Country. And last time I looked there are many more white guys out there and they are kind of hard to avoid. Plus, even Bush was called a racist and just about everything else.

Øbama's not a racists, but certainly a statist.

364 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:21:23pm

Cabinet secretaries have to deal with the whole official Departmental bureaucracy. Czars can work with Rahm and Obama and a few other political appointees to come up with an executive order. If things go wrong, it can be blamed on the Cabinet secretray.
Power without accountability.

365 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:21:57pm

re: #361 cliffster

Ok.. but how about calling him a racist? Is a white guy calling Obama a racist different from a black guy calling Bush a racist?

Yes since the white guy .ne. leftist

366 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:22:01pm

re: #360 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah... a "glass half-full" type. How refreshing./

367 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:22:05pm

re: #349 buzzsawmonkey

All you had to do was clarify your comment for me. Instead- you call me the wicked witch and a crazy doctor. And you want to talk to me about mischaracterizations? Okaaay.

368 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:22:21pm

re: #299 Sharmuta

What's not honest is you not clarifying your own comments when asked about them. You didn't answer me, and that leads me assume there's an uncomfortable reason as to why. If you don't like these assumptions being made about you by me or possibly others reading this, it's up to you to clarify what you mean. Go ahead and don't answer me.

Your contempt for those noting beck's problematic hyperbole is noted.

I doubt it is a question of honesty on either side.

369 freedomplow  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:22:25pm

Obsessiveness is such unattractive characteristic.

370 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:23:05pm

Mohammed Jawad to sue US Government over seven years in Guantánamo

One of the youngest prisoners released from Guantánamo Bay plans to sue the US Government for compensation for arresting him in Kabul as a minor and detaining him for seven years, his lawyer said yesterday.

Mohammed Jawad was captured in December 2002 when, he says, he was 12, on suspicion of having thrown a grenade into a Jeep carrying US special forces soldiers through Kabul, wounding two of them and an interpreter. He was held at the US airbase at Bagram, north of Kabul, and transferred in 2003 to Guantánamo Bay, where he spent the next six years.

Frags U.S. soldiers, gets released by the Obama administration without charges, and now he's looking for a payday too. Lovely.

/the troops in Afghanistan must be wondering why they should even bother taking prisoners

371 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:23:15pm

re: #328 Racer X

What is the difference between a cabinet member and a Czar?

The media bestows the term 'czar' because it's easier than writing something like "advisor to the POTUS on science blah blah blah".

The only actual czars in the worrying sense of bypassing the confirmation process and not being subpoenable are the people who hold the office of "special advisor". Obama only has 3 or 4 of those when I last checked (last month). One is an advisor on Somalia, IIRC.

There are also loads of administrative positions created to co-ordinate operations, which is what people mean when they say Obama has 32 czars or whatever. Bush created many similar positions as well though:

In fact, President Bush himself appointed numerous czars in order to deal with various public crises and controversies, including a “cybersecurity czar,” “regulatory czar,” “AIDS czar,” “bird-flu czar” and “Katrina czar.”

The "my god! It's full of czars!" media freakout is misguided. The real question (as it was under Bush, as well) is: will adding this extra administrative layer help to organise and co-ordinate action, or does it hinder? In my book we don't yet know how that will work in the Obama WH, simply because he hasn't been in office ling enough. I'm adopting a wait and see attitude on it.

Good background on the Bush czar issue here; many of the criticisms made can be applied to Obama now as well.

372 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:23:17pm

re: #366 calcajun

Yes, but now it's all empty. Back to the cooler.

373 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:23:21pm

re: #369 freedomplow

And who are you talking about?

374 Mad Mullah  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:23:30pm

When are companies going to begin boycotting Obama?

He is far worse than Beck and has far more ties to radicals, racists, extremists, terrorists, criminals and questionable people. Beck is not the president, Obama is.

Why do radical leftists always get a pass, but as soon as anybody who is right of center says or does something that upsets 3 liberals, then this is a big deal?

And I also think that if we are to apply the same threshold of deciding who is a racist or not as the left does, then Obama can definitely be considered a racist, because calling people racists and playing the race card has been one of the primary tactics coming from their side of the aisle in my opinion.

375 Racer X  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:23:46pm

re: #364 jim in virginia

Cabinet secretaries have to deal with the whole official Departmental bureaucracy. Czars can work with Rahm and Obama and a few other political appointees to come up with an executive order. If things go wrong, it can be blamed on the Cabinet secretray.
Power without accountability.

Isn't anyone else just a little concerned about this arrangement? If these are government employees at the same influential level as a cabinet post, how come there is no accountability?

376 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:24:12pm

re: #369 freedomplow

Obsessiveness is such unattractive characteristic.

But, I must have it!//

377 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:24:27pm

re: #369 freedomplow

Obsessiveness is such unattractive characteristic.

Yeah Cato.
/

378 mich-again  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:24:31pm

Glen Beck didn't make the parade of kooks. He just jumped in front.

379 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:24:34pm

re: #374 Mad Mullah


Why do radical leftists always get a pass, but as soon as anybody who is right of center says or does something that upsets 3 liberals, then this is a big deal?

Now you understand how things are...

380 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:25:04pm

re: #374 Mad Mullah

When are companies going to begin boycotting Obama?

They can't-- the private sector's been abolished, or so I've heard.

381 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:25:12pm

re: #300 iceweasel

I have to disagree on this, KT. It's not harassment to write a company about its policies-- advertising or other. Assuming the emails, faxes, and letters aren't abusive or threatening, that is.

This is essentially voting with your feet: if you don't like what a company's doing, you don't buy its products, shop there, whatever. I can't see anything wrong with it. The companies are free to ignore consumer complaints, or make their own determination about whether those complaining are actual consumers of their products.

And frankly, as much as it may help the left to have Beck out there in one way, I would far rather see a good opposition party rather than one that has apparently decided to pander to the wingnut lunatic fringe.

I despise the lunatic rhetoric and misinformation Beck spews. I think it's destructive to our political discourse, and certainly has the potential to contribute to acts of violence. He's part of that whole climate now-- and there has already been that one incident of the armed female Beck listener freaked out about FEMA camps.

I share your concerns about the political climate and the potential for violence right now, and Beck is part of that.

Agree with you 100%, iceweasel. No one is forcing anyone's hand here - this is individual companies exercising their free choice. Simple as that.

382 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:25:36pm

re: #361 cliffster

Ok.. but how about calling him a racist? Is a white guy calling Obama a racist different from a black guy calling Bush a racist?

I believe that in the Katrina Telethon Kanye West said that George Bush doesn't like black people. He did not call George Bush a racist. I hope that I cleared that up.

///

383 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:25:42pm

re: #371 iceweasel

[snip]

...The real question (as it was under Bush, as well) is: will adding this extra administrative layer help to organise and co-ordinate action, or does it hinder? In my book we don't yet know how that will work in the Obama WH, simply because he hasn't been in office ling enough. I'm adopting a wait and see attitude on it.

It's a good idea to wait and see if the "czar" level of administration will work, becuase we already know well what doesn't work in the Obama administration.

384 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:25:55pm

re: #378 mich-again

Glen Beck didn't make the parade of kooks. He just jumped in front.

Now only if he would lay down in front of one of the floats.

385 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:26:52pm

re: #382 Truck Monkey

I believe that in the Katrina Telethon Kanye West said that George Bush doesn't like black people. He did not call George Bush a racist. I hope that I cleared that up.
///


However if you don't like Obama's policies you are generally called a racist by the left...

386 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:27:36pm

re: #384 calcajun

Now only if he would lay down in front of one of the floats.

The country is full of floats and if anything bad happens to him you will be partly responsible.
/

387 mich-again  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:28:05pm

re: #385 DrNaughty

However if you don't like Obama's policies you are generally called a racist by the left...

I haven't seen that at all. Where do get that?

388 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:28:19pm

re: #300 iceweasel

I have to disagree on this, KT. It's not harassment to write a company about its policies-- advertising or other. Assuming the emails, faxes, and letters aren't abusive or threatening, that is.

This is essentially voting with your feet: if you don't like what a company's doing, you don't buy its products, shop there, whatever. I can't see anything wrong with it. The companies are free to ignore consumer complaints, or make their own determination about whether those complaining are actual consumers of their products.

And frankly, as much as it may help the left to have Beck out there in one way, I would far rather see a good opposition party rather than one that has apparently decided to pander to the wingnut lunatic fringe.

I despise the lunatic rhetoric and misinformation Beck spews. I think it's destructive to our political discourse, and certainly has the potential to contribute to acts of violence. He's part of that whole climate now-- and there has already been that one incident of the armed female Beck listener freaked out about FEMA camps.

I share your concerns about the political climate and the potential for violence right now, and Beck is part of that.

As I've mentioned here before, I spend some time monitoring the ever-louder and more pervasive talk of "revolution" and other forms of violent rhetoric on the right, specifically in those places where it is relatively new and not just part of the furniture; that is, at Free Republic rather than Storm Front.
Current FR Beck thread.
The would-be revolutionaries speculate a good deal about what would serve as a trigger for a (their) violent uprising.
The removal of a popular right-wing media figure by what the revolutionaries perceive to be government or pro-government action seems to be the odds-on choice for this trigger. Generally, they are thinking about Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity, but Beck could easily fill the role.

389 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:28:31pm

re: #375 Racer X
I think a lot of people are concerned about it. As long as his approval ratings are high and the media is in the tank for him, no one wil try to do anything.
If his ratings tank and the Democrats in Congress think they can gain anything by making troube for him, they will. Not before then.

390 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:28:32pm

re: #385 DrNaughty

However if you don't like Obama's policies you are generally called a racist by the left...

Racists, neanderthal, teabagger, ask for your ID, etc...

391 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:29:19pm

re: #386 solomonpanting

The country is full of floats and if anything bad happens to him you will be partly responsible.
/

Why is it so hard to make Glenn Beck float?

He won't fit in the blender.

392 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:29:41pm

re: #383 Walter L. Newton

It's a good idea to wait and see if the "czar" level of administration will work, becuase we already know well what doesn't work in the Obama administration.

Heh. Hi Walter. Updinged you for the obligatory Obama slam. ;)

393 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:30:06pm

re: #387 mich-again

I haven't seen that at all. Where do get that?

Ya might want to tune to Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, or better yet, stop in to any Town Hall.

394 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:30:07pm
395 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:30:41pm

re: #391 calcajun

Why is it so hard to make Glenn Beck float?

He won't fit in the blender.

I thought that shit floats... am I wrong?
/

396 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:31:01pm

re: #390 unrealizedviewpoint

Racists, neanderthal, teabagger, ask for your ID, etc...

...or you are accused of "raging," "squabbling," "stalking" or "yapping."

All little weasel words (apologies to Idub) designed to shut down speech.

397 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:31:17pm

re: #395 Truck Monkey

I thought that shit floats... am I wrong?
/

The Scum Also Rises.

398 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:31:39pm

re: #392 iceweasel

Heh. Hi Walter. Updinged you for the obligatory Obama slam. ;)

Hey, I try to ride upon the backs of experts :)

399 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:32:49pm

re: #398 Walter L. Newton

Hey, I try to ride upon the backs of experts :)

Way too much information...///

400 mich-again  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:33:14pm

re: #384 calcajun

Now only if he would lay down in front of one of the floats.

I think they should let him ride piggyback on Captain Underpants and then let go of the ropes.

401 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:33:28pm

re: #373 Sharmuta

And who are you talking about?

Must be talking about me. I am obsessed, just absolutely obsessed, with getting people to realize that Beck is not a Republican, nor a Conservative, nor in any way attached to the GOP.

But I have people on both sides of the aisle silencing me. I bet you can't even here me right now, that's how bad they are silencing me.
///

402 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:33:38pm

re: #396 Walter L. Newton

...or you are accused of "raging," "squabbling," "stalking" or "yapping."

All little weasel words (apologies to Idub) designed to shut down speech.

All that crap is backfiring on them big time, yet, they continue it. Ya know why? They got nothing else to answer with, as the specifics of the plan(s) suck - they can either attack or be truthful, like Dean.

403 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:34:00pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

I predict a meltdown before 50.

(coming back in much later)

It was #56.
How th' hell did y' know that?

/Killgore is omniscient! .. :D

404 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:34:00pm

re: #381 Jimmah

Agree with you 100%, iceweasel. No one is forcing anyone's hand here - this is individual companies exercising their free choice. Simple as that.

Hi Jimmah. ;)
Yes, I think really what we're seeing is people complaining that the left is just better at this sort of action than the right.

Also, I truly believe that many of the advertisers were unaware of the sort of thing Beck says. Getting a few transcripts and video from consumers would be enough to make anyone reputable think twice about being associated with Beck, IMO.
I suspect that is why they're yanking advertising-- not simply because of threats to not buy their products.

405 The New Kid  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:34:01pm

What I keep noticing by all the Beck detractors is that they don't discuss the merits of what he's saying. All they do is go after him personally. Is what he is saying true or not? That's what should be discussed.

406 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:34:12pm

BHO may not be a racist...but, he is at best a political opportunist who sat silently in a racist church for 20 years while the pastor polluted another generation of black people with racist, anti semitic propaganda...and he said nothing. You tell me how that can be defended.

407 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:34:18pm

I got a call from teletownhall (202 exchange) and I, for some unknown reason, picked the call up. I am now involved in Congressman Roscoe Bartletts Townhall meeting. Kind of fun. I am in line to ask a question and make a statement to Congressman Bartlett and the doctor that is with him. Anyone want to ask the good congressman a question?

408 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:34:19pm

re: #394 buzzsawmonkey

and should have been especially clear for someone who has already proven herself to be adept at, and prided herself on, reading between the lines.

Again- I don't know who you're talking about. Would you care to clarify this time?

And I don't give a shit what role you cast me in- it's bullshit ad hominem regardless.

409 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:34:53pm

re: #348 charpete67

but...what would that make a white guy in the reverse situation?

You mean, if a white guy hung out at some sort of white power group's meetings for 20 years, and posed for pictures with the grand dragon or whatever, and gave speeches praising the grand dragon, and named his book after one of the grand dragon's speeches, etc?

It might not make him a racist, but it sure as hell would make him unelectable for any office higher than dog catcher.

410 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:35:23pm

re: #405 The New Kid

What I keep noticing by all the Beck detractors is that they don't discuss the merits of what he's saying. All they do is go after him personally. Is what he is saying true or not? That's what should be discussed.

re: #346 Slumbering Behemoth

Of Blind Squirrels and Broken Watches.

The Boy Who Cried Wolf was eventually right that one time, but by then everyone was so sick of the lying little bastard that no one gave a damn.

411 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:35:24pm

Okay, I'm leavin'. I enjoyed defending Beck. I won't do it again. I'm off to go upding all comments I made today.

/oh wait...

412 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:35:26pm

re: #402 unrealizedviewpoint

All that crap is backfiring on them big time, yet, they continue it. Ya know why? They got nothing else to answer with, as the specifics of the plan(s) suck - they can either attack or be truthful, like Dean.

Facts are always troublesome for charlatans...

413 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:35:38pm

re: #396 Walter L. Newton

...or you are accused of "raging," "squabbling," "stalking" or "yapping."

All little weasel words (apologies to Idub) designed to shut down speech.

Not to mention clinging.

414 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:35:59pm

re: #401 Slumbering Behemoth

Must be talking about me. I am obsessed, just absolutely obsessed, with getting people to realize that Beck is not a Republican, nor a Conservative, nor in any way attached to the GOP.

But I have people on both sides of the aisle silencing me. I bet you can't even here me right now, that's how bad they are silencing me.
///

I obsessively upding your comments on your obsession.

415 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:36:10pm

re: #405 The New Kid

Huh?

416 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:36:14pm

re: #407 Truck Monkey

I got a call from teletownhall (202 exchange) and I, for some unknown reason, picked the call up. I am now involved in Congressman Roscoe Bartletts Townhall meeting. Kind of fun. I am in line to ask a question and make a statement to Congressman Bartlett and the doctor that is with him. Anyone want to ask the good congressman a question?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

417 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:36:31pm

re: #409 Last Mohican

You mean, if a white guy hung out at some sort of white power group's meetings for 20 years, and posed for pictures with the grand dragon or whatever, and gave speeches praising the grand dragon, and named his book after one of the grand dragon's speeches, etc?

It might not make him a racist, but it sure as hell would make him unelectable for any office higher than dog catcher.

damn right

418 callahan23  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:37:29pm

Just dropped by to say hello, I am not well today.
So behave 'n have a nice day Lizardim
- - -
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Hmm ... Really!

419 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:37:32pm

re: #401 Slumbering Behemoth

Must be talking about me. I am obsessed, just absolutely obsessed, with getting people to realize that Beck is not a Republican, nor a Conservative, nor in any way attached to the GOP.

But I have people on both sides of the aisle silencing me. I bet you can't even here me right now, that's how bad they are silencing me.
///


Eh? What was that? Did you say something?
Speak louder.

420 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:37:58pm

re: #416 unrealizedviewpoint

Beat me to it. I was going to say YES! Ask him to visit Keith G's site and report back with answers. Legitimate ones. Using words. No naming calling allowed, either.

[Link: sites.google.com...]

421 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:37:59pm

re: #418 callahan23

Get thee well.

422 cliffster  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:38:09pm

re: #409 Last Mohican

We don't vote for dog catchers in my community; they are appointed.

423 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:38:15pm

re: #418 callahan23

Just dropped by to say hello, I am not well today.
So behave 'n have a nice day Lizardim
- - -
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Hmm ... Really!

Get better.
Take care of yourself.

424 Racer X  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:38:19pm

re: #407 Truck Monkey

I got a call from teletownhall (202 exchange) and I, for some unknown reason, picked the call up. I am now involved in Congressman Roscoe Bartletts Townhall meeting. Kind of fun. I am in line to ask a question and make a statement to Congressman Bartlett and the doctor that is with him. Anyone want to ask the good congressman a question?

Only one question is needed:

Are you, and the members of congress, willing to forgo your current health care and participate in the same plan that is proposed for all Americans?

425 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:38:24pm

re: #405 The New Kid

What I keep noticing by all the Beck detractors is that they don't discuss the merits of what he's saying. All they do is go after him personally. Is what he is saying true or not? That's what should be discussed.

I don't like Beck, and I think he is at the least a reactionary, the most, probably mentally ill (really).

But, it's interesting that his largest detractors are the progressives. It would seem to me, if there is nothing in all his static, nothing that speaks of any truth, then the progressives would be glad to see him rant and rave and go on like a nut case.

Makes you wonder?

426 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:38:46pm

re: #422 cliffster

We don't vote for dog catchers in my community; they are appointed.

canine czar

427 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:39:10pm

re: #414 Sharmuta

See, it's contagious. I blame the Obama admin. They released the Obsession Contagion in the population to distract us from his private army of alien salamanders.

/is it Beck, or is it Jones? maybe it's RON PAUL!

428 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:39:32pm

re: #404 iceweasel

Hi Jimmah. ;)

Hi iceweasel :) Good to see you, as ever!

Yes, I think really what we're seeing is people complaining that the left is just better at this sort of action than the right.

Also, I truly believe that many of the advertisers were unaware of the sort of thing Beck says. Getting a few transcripts and video from consumers would be enough to make anyone reputable think twice about being associated with Beck, IMO.
I suspect that is why they're yanking advertising-- not simply because of threats to not buy their products.

"My name's Nick Griffin, and I'm here to talk to you about Sham-Wow"

Yes, I can see your point!

429 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:39:40pm

re: #422 cliffster

We don't vote for dog catchers in my community; they are appointed.

Totalitarianism! Croneyism! Radical statist big-government-ism!

They should at least let the dogs vote. The legal ones.

430 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:39:46pm

re: #426 Charpete67

canine czar

Don't dogs have a habit of chasing czars?

431 snowcrash  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:40:26pm

re: #418 callahan23
Hope you feel better soon Cal. Bye.

432 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:40:37pm

re: #429 Last Mohican

re: #430 calcajun

Stop it you two. I'm trying to leave.

433 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:41:06pm

re: #424 Racer X

Only one question is needed:

Are you, and the members of congress, willing to forgo your current health care and participate in the same plan that is proposed for all Americans?

Congressman Bartlett is probably more opposed to this bill than I am. Very informative session. So far it is about 80/20 opposed. Quite a bit of talk about what socialized medicine means with real examples.

434 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:41:30pm

re: #427 Slumbering Behemoth

See, it's contagious. I blame the Obama admin. They released the Obsession Contagion in the population to distract us from his private army of alien salamanders.

/is it Beck, or is it Jones? maybe it's NOR LAUP!

FTFY

435 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:41:42pm

re: #430 calcajun

Don't dogs have a habit of chasing czars?

Let's hope they figure out what to do if they catch one.

436 realwest  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:41:56pm

re: #409 Last Mohican
Hmmm. Course if he WAS a Grand Dragon of the KKK, it wouldn't make him unelectable to the US Senate, now would it?

437 cliffster  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:41:59pm

re: #429 Last Mohican

Totalitarianism! Croneyism! Radical statist big-government-ism!

They should at least let the dogs vote. The legal ones.

No Captivation Without Representation! hrm, No Captivity-ation without Representation! Ah, forget it.

438 impostinat0r  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:42:27pm

I would like to see people organize a boycott against all of 40-some companies who are participating in this effort to silence political dissent.
While US Democrats celebrate Kennedy after he accused Justice(then nominee) Ailito of being a racist they condemn beck for saying the same thing about President Obama. Yet is is Obama that has the longstanding relationship with an open racist (Rev Wright) while claiming wright was his spiritual mentor.

Enough is enough. I will not buy a thing from these 40 companies and plan to encourage the same from others.

Boycott the suppressors.

439 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:42:39pm

re: #433 Truck Monkey

Congressman Bartlett is probably more opposed to this bill than I am. Very informative session. So far it is about 80/20 opposed. Quite a bit of talk about what socialized medicine means with real examples.

Bartlett? I thought he was President. I liked him.

440 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:43:37pm

re: #329 Charles

I don't believe he hates white people at all. I believe he is part of the Ivy League Elite class - better than all the rest of us, white, black, red, purple.

His wife, on the other hand, seems to have a HUGE chip on her shoulder. Maybe she isn't racist, but she has a problem with the world in general. And for what? She hasn't been treated badly. Except for her choice of outfits, but she brings that on herself. ;)

441 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:43:45pm

re: #439 unrealizedviewpoint

Bartlett? I thought he was President. I liked him.

He had an unpleasant sheen about him, though

442 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:43:47pm

re: #436 realwest

Hmmm. Course if he WAS a Grand Dragon of the KKK, it wouldn't make him unelectable to the US Senate, now would it?

ONLY IF HE WAS A REPUBLICAN

443 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:44:22pm

I'm not a Beck fan. I think he's a loon, and not even a good entertainer.
But as I recall when their (ex) fans started a boycott of the Dixie Chicks and tried to get radio stations to pul them from playlists, a lot of progressives cried fowl.

444 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:44:37pm

re: #405 The New Kid

What I keep noticing by all the Beck detractors is that they don't discuss the merits of what he's saying. All they do is go after him personally. Is what he is saying true or not? That's what should be discussed.

This is no different than someone saying that people who mock nirthers 'aren't discussing the merits of their claims.'

What can there possibly be to discuss about whether the POTUS is a racist with a deep-seated hatred of white people? Or about whether FEMA is building re-education camps? Or any of the other lunacy and endtimes hysterical crap spewed by Beck on a daily basis? This is someone who had an extended 'joke' segment about poisoning Pelosi. This is someone who pretended to pour gasoline on a guest and strike a match, saying that was an illustration of what Obama's doing to the country. The real arsonist, barnburner, shitstirrer engaging in inflammatory rhetoric here is Beck himself.

There is no point to discussing Beck's claims because discussing them legitimises them. Just as with the nirthers.

445 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:44:43pm

re: #440 ArmyWife

I don't believe he hates white people at all. I believe he is part of the Ivy League Elite class - better than all the rest of us, white, black, red, purple.

That explains why many photos of Obama show him with his nose elevated...

446 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:45:03pm

re: #443 jim in virginia

I'm not a Beck fan. I think he's a loon, and not even a good entertainer.
But as I recall when their (ex) fans started a boycott of the Dixie Chicks and tried to get radio stations to pul them from playlists, a lot of progressives cried fowl.

Th' dumb clucks!

447 mich-again  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:45:08pm

re: #405 The New Kid

What I keep noticing by all the Beck detractors is that they don't discuss the merits of what he's saying. All they do is go after him personally. Is what he is saying true or not? That's what should be discussed.

I'm not technically a detractor because I don't really care what he says. He's acted like a clown so much I can't take him serious which means he's not worth a listen anymore. There are too other credible and serious sources giving the same information Beck does without all the histrionics. He is just trying to make a buck selling his schtick.

Like I said, he didn't make the parade, he just jumped in front.

448 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:45:20pm

re: #438 impostinat0r

I would like to see people organize a boycott against all of 40-some companies who are participating in this effort to silence political dissent.

Beck is a reactionary loon. I don't give a shit if he has a tv show or not, but advertisers pulling their ads is no where close to silencing political dissent.

If FNC decides to cancel Beck's show (highly improbably), that is still not silencing political dissent.

The hyperventilation over this is silly.

449 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:45:52pm

re: #439 unrealizedviewpoint

Bartlett? I thought he was President. I liked him.


Naw, he was another crazy lefty

450 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:46:08pm

re: #443 jim in virginia

Bravo! I'm glad you weren't too chicken to pun.

451 snowcrash  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:46:43pm

re: #438 impostinat0r
Bork not Alito

452 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:46:49pm

re: #444 iceweasel

This is no different than someone saying that people who mock nirthers 'aren't discussing the merits of their claims.'

What can there possibly be to discuss about whether the POTUS is a racist with a deep-seated hatred of white people? Or about whether FEMA is building re-education camps? Or any of the other lunacy and endtimes hysterical crap spewed by Beck on a daily basis? This is someone who had an extended 'joke' segment about poisoning Pelosi. This is someone who pretended to pour gasoline on a guest and strike a match, saying that was an illustration of what Obama's doing to the country. The real arsonist, barnburner, shitstirrer engaging in inflammatory rhetoric here is Beck himself.

There is no point to discussing Beck's claims because discussing them legitimises them. Just as with the nirthers.

Exactly. He's butthurt that we aren't giving credence to his bullshit - in effect, that we aren't "discussing the 'controversy' ".

453 LGoPs  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:46:59pm

re: #425 Walter L. Newton

I don't like Beck, and I think he is at the least a reactionary, the most, probably mentally ill (really).

But, it's interesting that his largest detractors are the progressives. It would seem to me, if there is nothing in all his static, nothing that speaks of any truth, then the progressives would be glad to see him rant and rave and go on like a nut case.

Makes you wonder?

Progressives can't abide differing viewpoints. They're totalitarian that way.

454 Racer X  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:47:03pm

re: #448 Slumbering Behemoth

The hyperventilation over this is silly.

I agree!

Don't like Beck? Then don't watch.

455 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:47:16pm

re: #413 jim in virginia

Not to mention clinging.

I see you are still bitter about that.

/

456 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:47:17pm

re: #438 impostinat0r

Boycott the suppressors.

LOL! Good luck boycotting Proctor & Gamble.

And no one is being suppressed.

457 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:47:18pm

re: #439 unrealizedviewpoint

Bartlett? I thought he was President. I liked him.

He's got quite a pear.

458 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:47:24pm

re: #450 ArmyWife

Bravo! I'm glad you weren't too chicken to pun.

It's gonna turn nesty, I can' tell.

459 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:48:07pm

re: #449 jim in virginia

Naw, he was another crazy lefty

President Bartlett is probably benefiting from the fact that most all President's approval ratings improve after they leave office.

460 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:48:26pm

re: #454 Racer X

I agree!

Don't like Beck? Then don't watch.

I don't have to watch. But if I want, I have every right to criticize, debunk, or otherwise ridicule the loon that is Beck.

461 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:48:26pm

re: #457 Truck Monkey

He's got quite a pear.

You should've put that in Quotations.

462 Grand Poobah  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:48:45pm

"have pledged to take steps to ensure that their ads don’t run on Beck’s show. Forty-six companies have now committed not to support Beck’s show since ColorOfChange.org launched its campaign three weeks ago after the Fox News Channel host called President Obama a “racist” who “has a deep-seated hatred for white people” during an appearance on Fox & Friends."


As in "we like the publicity, but we really don't care."

Color of Change is just trying to keep their momentum going, and quite frankly, they can keep it going straight to hell.

Olbermann can spout off all his garbage on the Nutsy channel, but Beck says some wild crazy and he gets an attempted censor for it?

463 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:49:23pm

re: #450 ArmyWife

Bravo! I'm glad you weren't too chicken to pun.


That was unplanned until I got to the last word. Sometimes you just get lucky.

464 kcladderman  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:49:50pm

re: #450 ArmyWife

Bravo! I'm glad you weren't too chicken to pun.


He decided to wing it

465 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:50:48pm

re: #462 Grand Poobah

Olbermann can spout off all his garbage on the Nutsy channel, but Beck says some wild crazy and he gets an attempted censor for it?

It's not censorship, attempted or otherwise. Geez, I think I am going to hand out civics books for Christmas this year.

466 What, me worry?  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:50:48pm

re: #378 mich-again

Glen Beck didn't make the parade of kooks. He just jumped in front.

Bad enough. Worse, I think.

Whatever "truths" Beck has, I haven't found them. First, he documents via video, the horrors of our current healthcare (true btw) when he had hemorrhoid surgery only to turn around and say how wonderful our healthcare system is and it doesn't need fixing. The man's a LOON.

Loony people shouldn't be advising anyone. It's dangerous. This is not a free speech issue. Not when the speech incites. It's fine to sit back and say it isn't going to harm anyone, but how do you know that? Loaded weapons at townhall meetings? What the hell is that? You support the NRA, carry a sign for pete's sake.

467 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:50:53pm

I strive for eggs-ellence.

468 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:51:03pm

Let me just say one positive thing has come of this health care debacle. I can go to Whole Foods with my head held high! I really like their pre-made deli meals, but I was always afraid I'd be sniffed out and encircled by a bunch of smelling like patchouli malcontents. Oh happy day that someone (sort of) normal is at the helm!

BTW - Beck is a loon. We ought to investigate the COC nontheless.

469 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:51:25pm

re: #464 kcladderman

He decided to wing it

Better than ringing his neck.

470 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:51:31pm

re: #464 kcladderman

He decided to wing it

I thought he was scratching.

471 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:51:33pm

re: #465 Slumbering Behemoth

It's not censorship, attempted or otherwise. Geez, I think I am going to hand out civics books for Christmas this year.

I wanted a truck. Please?

//

472 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:51:56pm

re: #456 Sharmuta

LOL! Good luck boycotting Proctor & Gamble.

And no one is being suppressed.

Come and see the violence inherent in the system!

/

473 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:52:13pm

re: #467 jim in virginia

I strive for eggs-ellence.

You make good yolks!

474 Racer X  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:52:26pm

re: #460 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't have to watch. But if I want, I have every right to criticize, debunk, or otherwise ridicule the loon that is Beck.

Absolutely!

I think I've actually watched his show for about 3 minutes in the past 3 weeks. I clicked on a Youtube link the other day and watched for about 5 minutes. Thats it. I didn't see him going all batshit crazy, but I have in the past (via a youtube link). His show is not one of the many that I DVR.

475 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:52:27pm

re: #470 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I thought he was scratching.

peck. peck. peck is all you do.

476 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:53:13pm

re: #467 jim in virginia

I strive for eggs-ellence.

Ah, don't poulet too hard.

477 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:53:23pm

re: #466 marjoriemoon

Don't forget the swastikas!

/your pal Nan from San Fran

478 3 wood  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:53:33pm

Treasurys tugged by bank news, final auction

Longer-dated Treasury prices fell Thursday, nudging 10-year yields up, after the government sold $28 billion in 7-year notes, the final auction of the week.

The auction received decent demand but a late-day gain in stocks and crude oil pushed longer-dated debt prices market lower.

Earlier in the session, bonds benefited as stocks fell after the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. said that it's tracking more problem banks than at any point since 1994.

By the way, some goof is on Kudlow right now saying that the economy will grow by 6% in the 4th quarter. I don't know what he's on, but it has to be a controlled substance.

479 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:53:34pm

re: #475 midwestgak

peck. peck. peck is all you do.

Yeah. It is rather AWKward.

480 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:53:35pm

So let it be written...

re: #472 OldLineTexan

Come and see the violence inherent in the system!

/

...so let it be done.

481 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:53:37pm

re: #454 Racer X

I haven't watched his show since he used the ovens at dachou as graphics on a abortion rant.
watching my wife totally loose it (she cried for almost a half hour) was more than enough of a reason to never watch him again. and the fact that he didn't even send a form letter response to my e-mail pissed me off.

that being said i still don't want the gov't or political groups telling me what to watch, i wish to make that choice in freedom.

482 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:53:38pm

re: #475 midwestgak

peck. peck. peck is all you do.

Ah, it's poultry in motion!

483 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:53:43pm

re: #409 Last Mohican

You mean, if a white guy hung out at some sort of white power group's meetings for 20 years, and posed for pictures with the grand dragon or whatever, and gave speeches praising the grand dragon, and named his book after one of the grand dragon's speeches, etc?

It might not make him a racist, but it sure as hell would make him unelectable for any office higher than dog catcher.

I wouldn't want him catching any dogs either.

484 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:53:45pm

re: #462 Grand Poobah

OK- I'm weary of this talking point now. If people want to get companies to boycott olbermann- knock yourselves out. Call and write his sponsors and network. Organize your own group to do what color of change is doing. But expecting the left to police their own is like putting a guard fox in front of the henhouse. I don't expect them to do it- do you? No? Than form your own group to go after olbermann.

485 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:53:47pm

re: #453 LGoPs

Progressives can't abide differing viewpoints. They're totalitarian that way.

Bull. Shit.

I'm a progressive, and if I couldn't abide differing viewpoints, do you really think I would be posting here?

I'll tell you what I can't abide: unhinged insane lunatic viewpoints. Hated it on the left in 2000, hate it now on the right. I'm equal opportunity that way.

And I would like to have a decent opposition party, not this crazed rabble.

As for 'totalitarians are progressive'-- that's exactly like that 'liberal fascist' bullshit. Two words next to each other, meaning nothing. Throwing around those terms proves you know nothing of what either totalitarianism is, or fascism, and you're willing to erase all those distinctions simply to smear an opposition movement that you don't like.

486 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:54:16pm

re: #482 calcajun

Ah, it's poultry in motion!

Did you poach that from elsewhere?

487 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:54:29pm

re: #300 iceweasel

I have to disagree on this, KT. It's not harassment to write a company about its policies-- advertising or other. Assuming the emails, faxes, and letters aren't abusive or threatening, that is.

There was a definite boycott effort against Disney World not too many years ago, when they decided to allow benefits to same sex partners. I think there have been similar efforts against other companies in the past. I don't recall complaints, even from those opposed to the action, that this was an attack on American freedoms.

It seems to me that getting too worked up about this leaves one open to being called a hypocrite.

488 Mad Mullah  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:54:37pm

re: #466 marjoriemoon


Loony people shouldn't be advising anyone. It's dangerous. This is not a free speech issue.

Are you recommending that Obama's czars and advisors should be fired?

489 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:54:47pm

re: #478 3 wood

Hi 3. Good to see you. Did your job situation become more clear this week?

490 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:54:49pm

re: #479 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yeah. It is rather AWKward.

As well as ostrich of the imagination.

491 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:54:50pm

re: #478 3 wood

(realizing it's early) how are you doing with the job search? Any leads?

492 Jamfish  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:54:55pm

Looks like folks are getting all wee-weed up here. Take a breath ;)

493 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:55:04pm
494 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:55:25pm

re: #486 solomonpanting

Did you poach that from elsewhere?

Memory fades -and it's in the public domain.

495 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:55:26pm

re: #479 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yeah. It is rather AWKward.

I call fowl!

496 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:56:09pm

re: #455 OldLineTexan
OLT, I'm having dreams about being back at William Marsh's Rice. They're not anxiety dreams nor very interesting- no cute coeds- I'm just back there taking courses. Very odd.
I blame Obama and Glenn Beck. (It must be somebody's fault.)

497 kiwiviv  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:56:18pm

Advertisers are pulling out, but his viewers are growing rapidly

498 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:56:22pm

re: #495 midwestgak

I call fowl!

Only because you cannot emu-late our sparkling brilliance!

499 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:56:48pm

re: #472 OldLineTexan

Come and see the violence inherent in the system!

/

Corporate sponsorship iz fascism!1!

500 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:56:49pm

re: #486 solomonpanting

Did you poach that from elsewhere?

Even if he did, I'll give it a Benedict-ion.

501 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:57:34pm

re: #496 jim in virginia

Good Gravy, man! It is BUSH'S fault. Did you NOT get that message?

502 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:57:36pm

re: #497 kiwiviv

Advertisers are pulling out, but his viewers are growing rapidly

And they are giving the left a throbbing headache. Yes, we get the phallic connotations. You should be more circumspect.

503 3 wood  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:57:47pm

re: #491 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(realizing it's early) how are you doing with the job search? Any leads?

Just starting to get some feelers out. Thanks.

Something will work out. I'm doing some adjunct teaching, and starting a home business anyway. I've got some things I'm working on.

504 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:57:52pm

re: #497 kiwiviv

Advertisers are pulling out, but his viewers are growing rapidly

Advertisers can be browbeaten by special interest groups.

Viewers aren't subject to the same pressure tactics..

505 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:57:58pm

re: #490 calcajun

As well as ostrich of the imagination.

You could have used emu-gination.

506 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:58:30pm

re: #485 iceweasel

what about leftist breaking up cons. speakers on college campus? or not giving tenure to cons. profs.

507 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:58:30pm

re: #505 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You could have used emu-gination.

Ha! See mine @ 498. nyah.

508 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:58:31pm

re: #503 3 wood

Just starting to get some feelers out. Thanks.

Something will work out. I'm doing some adjunct teaching, and starting a home business anyway. I've got some things I'm working on.

Best wishes

509 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:58:45pm

re: #452 Jimmah

Exactly. He's butthurt that we aren't giving credence to his bullshit - in effect, that we aren't "discussing the 'controversy' ".

Exactly. Like the whining over the Beck boycotting being successful. Don't like Olbermann? Start your own protest. Don't blame the left because the right sucks at activism. Ooh, it burns!

...and YOU hurted it, precious! ;)

510 Neutral President  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:58:55pm

re: #478 3 wood

Treasurys tugged by bank news, final auction

By the way, some goof is on Kudlow right now saying that the economy will grow by 6% in the 4th quarter. I don't know what he's on, but it has to be a controlled substance.

He's on Hopenchange.

511 impostinat0r  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:59:06pm

I don't watch Glenn Beck because I find him ti much of a Drama Queen. that is not the point. Here we have an operative from the White house on a campaign to stifle political speech. These 40+ companies are being used to this end. People from all parties who believe in a free exchange of ideas have an obligation to not patronize these 40 Businesses.

Boycott the whole list

512 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:59:22pm

re: #507 calcajun

Ha! See mine @ 498. nyah.

oops!

*genuflection*

513 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:59:23pm

re: #465 Slumbering Behemoth

It's not censorship, attempted or otherwise. Geez, I think I am going to hand out civics books for Christmas this year.

Screw that, I still want a pony.

514 kiwiviv  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:59:27pm

re: #502 calcajun

I just don't have a dirty mind

515 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:59:45pm

This thread is causing quite a roe.

516 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:59:51pm

re: #503 3 wood

Just starting to get some feelers out. Thanks.

Something will work out. I'm doing some adjunct teaching, and starting a home business anyway. I've got some things I'm working on.

You are too smart not to land somewhere. Good luck to you.

517 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:00:06pm

re: #495 midwestgak

I call fowl!

*cackle*

518 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:00:18pm

re: #503 3 wood

Good luck! If I can help, let me know. That goes for other lizards, too. I am an HR Professional that has also done and continues to do my share of professional/executive coaching. I'm happy to help where I can.

519 richiep  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:00:19pm

Advertisers pulling their slots from Beck allows him longer talk time. Doubtful that Beck will be dropped as he is pulling in a lot of viewers that will hang around for the following show(s).

Only replacement for Beck that would pull in the viewers is Rush.

520 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:00:21pm

re: #498 calcajun

Only because you cannot emu-late our sparkling brilliance!

Do you rhea-ly think you can bury your head in the sand?

521 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:00:24pm

re: #493 LGoPs

Let me see how I can put this delicately...
Blow it out yer ass.

What an idiotic, and childish response.

Wingularity - [Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]


Thanks to the magic of talk radio and the internet, these guys can talk to no-one but each other for extremely long stretches of time, so they have no idea how crazy they sound. The time could come in the very near future when it becomes totally impossible for any ordinary person to have any idea what they are talking about. They will be beyond ordinary logic, beyond spoof. The wingularity will have arrived.

Are we there yet?

522 cliffster  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:00:38pm

re: #484 Sharmuta

Maybe, but it does underscore a pretty big part of the problem. Conservatives generally aren't activists. They don't get out and go to rallies. They don't take time out of their day to organize stuff like this. They just don't, and then they're left with not having as big a say in the agenda.

523 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:00:39pm

re: #511 impostinat0r

No- the color of change co-founder is working in the white house, but not with this organization anymore. Any claims this is coming from the white house are, at this time, completely unsubstantiated.

524 Neutral President  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:00:57pm

re: #515 solomonpanting

This thread is causing quite a roe.

I'll try to wade through it.

525 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:00:59pm

re: #513 OldLineTexan

go to D.C. with all the shit in washington there got to be a pony there someplace.

526 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:01:03pm

re: #522 cliffster

Maybe, but it does underscore a pretty big part of the problem. Conservatives generally aren't activists. They don't get out and go to rallies. They don't take time out of their day to organize stuff like this. They just don't, and then they're left with not having as big a say in the agenda.

The silent majority

527 LGoPs  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:01:04pm

re: #521 Jimmah

Are we there yet?

Get bent.

528 kiwiviv  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:01:06pm

re: #504 DrNaughty

Agreed

529 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:01:10pm

re: #514 kiwiviv

I just don't have a dirty mind

Double your entendres, double your fun!/

530 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:01:19pm

re: #522 cliffster

Maybe, but it does underscore a pretty big part of the problem. Conservatives generally aren't activists. They don't get out and go to rallies. They don't take time out of their day to organize stuff like this. They just don't, and then they're left with not having as big a say in the agenda.

And this is actually changing. Unfortunately- it's because of paulians.

531 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:01:32pm

re: #493 LGoPs

Let me see how I can put this delicately...
Blow it out yer ass.

Sir, your eloquence has devastated me. Truly I must have had no argument, and I will spend many hours pondering this brilliant, zen koan like nugget of wisdom from you.

Or, you know, not.

532 P. Aaron  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:01:37pm

But that crazy Glenn Beck continues to win the war:

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

533 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:01:39pm

re: #525 yochanan

go to D.C. with all the shit in washington there got to be a pony there someplace.

I can smell it from here, and I am 40 miles away!

534 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:01:57pm

re: #520 midwestgak

Do you rhea-ly think you can bury your head in the sand?

I won't be gulled as easily as you.//

535 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:02:01pm

re: #513 OldLineTexan

I have 3. Which one do you want?

536 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:02:02pm

re: #519 richiep

Only replacement for Beck that would pull in the viewers is Rush.

Heck no! Sarah Palin.

537 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:02:08pm

re: #496 jim in virginia

OLT, I'm having dreams about being back at William Marsh's Rice. They're not anxiety dreams nor very interesting- no cute coeds- I'm just back there taking courses. Very odd.
I blame Obama and Glenn Beck. (It must be somebody's fault.)

No cute coeds - how very realistic for Rice.

/

I agree with AW ... it's obvious BOOOSH did it

538 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:02:20pm
539 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:02:49pm

OK, that's one person who's getting a timeout.

540 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:03:01pm

re: #425 Walter L. Newton

I don't like Beck, and I think he is at the least a reactionary, the most, probably mentally ill (really).

But, it's interesting that his largest detractors are the progressives. It would seem to me, if there is nothing in all his static, nothing that speaks of any truth, then the progressives would be glad to see him rant and rave and go on like a nut case.

Makes you wonder?

I wonder if you too are a fan of Bill O'Reilly, who in my mind is the one to popularize the word progressive as a political insult?

There are plenty of definitions of the word, but all of them are derivations of the meaning of "progress". I don't call those on the far left "progressives", but I have the feeling that they would take it as a compliment if I did.

Unfortunately too many "conservatives" have taken that word to me the opposite of this definition of progressive:

Progressivism is a political and social term that refers to ideologies and movements favoring or advocating progress, changes, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are.

The funny thing is, I hear many conservatives proclaiming essentially the same desire, they just leave out the current bad taste of "change".

541 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:03:16pm

re: #538 buzzsawmonkey

It's interesting to see how two of the most reflexively "progressive" types here--staunch defenders of gay rights, or at least the PC mouthings that gay-rights advocacy demands--seem to have battened on "butthurt" as their pejorative adjective of choice.

Sort of like the overdone use of the word "teabagging." They are so big tent.

542 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:03:16pm

re: #524 ArchangelMichael

I'll try to wade through it.

I can, canoe?

543 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:03:18pm

re: #536 Sharmuta

Heck no! Sarah Palin.

Good God, here comes another round of PDS-flavored OCD. It'll be like watching Monk host a newz show on MSNBC.

544 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:03:28pm

re: #524 ArchangelMichael

roe. can i put it on saltines?

545 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:03:53pm

re: #497 kiwiviv

Advertisers are pulling out, but his viewers are growing rapidly

The advertisers that don't want their brand associated with this loony libertarian loudmouth will pull their ads, the ones that do, or don't care, will fill the void.

As long as Beck gets ratings, the ad dollars will come in.

546 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:03:54pm

re: #511 impostinat0r

I don't watch Glenn Beck because I find him ti much of a Drama Queen. that is not the point. Here we have an operative from the White house on a campaign to stifle political speech. These 40+ companies are being used to this end. People from all parties who believe in a free exchange of ideas have an obligation to not patronize these 40 Businesses.

Boycott the whole list

Grow up.

547 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:03:57pm

OK, OT, but finally Madonna does something I can get behind! Good on her.

548 3 wood  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:04:11pm

re: #489 Truck Monkey

Hi 3. Good to see you. Did your job situation become more clear this week?

Well, we have an official meeting to get the word on Monday, but I keep getting called by friends in other Departments saying "Our boss came back from a meeting where they said your Dept is being shut down. What's going on?" All I can do is tell them that the brass refuses to talk to us at the moment.

I even sent an email to HR today asking for a clarification of status and how the severance package works...they said they would get back to me...

I figure I will be heading home for good about 20 minutes after the meeting starts on Monday.

Odd thing is, the Department has been incredibly successful, generated millions for the rest of the entity. But is was so successful that it made some of the brass look bad so they decided to shut us down and take it over for themselves.

Go figure.

549 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:04:17pm

re: #533 Truck Monkey

down or up wind?

550 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:04:17pm

re: #543 OldLineTexan

Good God, here comes another round of PDS-flavored OCD. It'll be like watching Monk host a newz show on MSNBC.

If I was an exec at cnn or msnbc- I'd sign her today and put her on opposite of beck. Srsly.

551 Racer X  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:04:21pm

Its getting a little testy here.
Lets talk about Global Warming!

Sun shades cool parking lots, pump out solar energy

552 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:04:52pm

re: #527 LGoPs

Get bent.

Thanks for reinforcing my point with yet another stupid and childish post. Expect an upding from buzzsawmonkey any second.

553 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:05:15pm

re: #522 cliffster

Maybe, but it does underscore a pretty big part of the problem. Conservatives generally aren't activists. They don't get out and go to rallies. They don't take time out of their day to organize stuff like this. They just don't, and then they're left with not having as big a say in the agenda.

Ever been to the March for Life?

554 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:05:25pm

re: #530 Sharmuta

And this is actually changing. Unfortunately- it's because of paulians.

Perhpas the Paulians will inspire other folks to get active, if only for the purpose of proving that the Paulians aren't normative.

555 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:05:25pm
556 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:05:37pm

re: #553 jim in virginia

Ever been to the March for Life?

Never heard of it..

557 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:05:41pm

re: #540 Naso Tang

I wonder if you too are a fan of Bill O'Reilly, who in my mind is the one to popularize the word progressive as a political insult?

I don't even watch Fox, so, I don't even know what you are talking about.

I use progressive because there are many people on the left that are actually proud of that word, identify with it and remind us constantly that they are progressives, not Democrats.

I'm glad to oblige.

558 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:05:44pm

re: #497 kiwiviv

Advertisers are pulling out, but his viewers are growing rapidly

re: #502 calcajun

And they are giving the left a throbbing headache. Yes, we get the phallic connotations. You should be more circumspect.

Shit, I didn't even notice that. What the hell is wrong with me today? Must need more beer.

559 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:05:49pm

re: #535 ArmyWife

I have 3. Which one do you want?

The little one that always tried his best, yet was ostracized by the other ponies.

/I'm in a progressive mood

560 impostinat0r  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:06:07pm

hiya charles. long time reader here..but seldom comment. I still say boycott the 40 companies trying to supress free speech

561 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:06:40pm

re: #548 3 wood

I am sorry to hear that. I really enjoy reading your early morning business news. I think that you have a lot to offer. Chin up. I've been there before and I am sure I will be again. Will be thinking of you.

TM

562 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:07:04pm

re: #549 yochanan

down or up wind?

Upwind.

563 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:07:15pm

re: #509 iceweasel

Exactly. Like the whining over the Beck boycotting being successful.

/you must have missed the link posted upthread about Beck's ratings being higher than they've ever been

564 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:07:33pm

re: #547 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, OT, but finally Madonna does something I can get behind! Good on her.

She forgot to badmouth Bush, the dummy.

/

566 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:08:19pm

re: #511 impostinat0r

I don't watch Glenn Beck because I find him ti much of a Drama Queen. that is not the point. Here we have an operative from the White house on a campaign to stifle political speech.

Got Proof?

567 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:08:20pm

re: #565 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck to Michelle: Is Obama building his own massive civilian national security force?

[Video]

This is nothing new. I remember the same thoughts about this back in March or April 2008...

568 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:08:33pm

re: #560 impostinat0r

Dude - seriously. It is NOT suppressing crapola - you have the right to watch, or not watch. Should you chose not watch, you are not suppressing a thing. Same applies here. Counter the movement by supporting those who stay aboard if you feel so strongly, or not use any of the products by those pulling the plug (because that is their right, if you forgot). Write them and express why.

569 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:09:58pm

re: #550 Sharmuta

If I was an exec at cnn or msnbc- I'd sign her today and put her on opposite of beck. Srsly.

You must just want to explode some heads. While I have nothing against this in principle, I am shocked ... SHOCKED, I tell you ... at such bloodthirsty behavior from you.

/

570 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:10:52pm

re: #554 SanFranciscoZionist

Perhpas the Paulians will inspire other folks to get active, if only for the purpose of proving that the Paulians aren't normative.

We can hope... for change!

/I had to.

571 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:11:09pm

re: #565 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck to Michelle: Is Obama building his own massive civilian national security force?



OK, got a minute and eighteen into that, and can't do any more. He's incoherent.

Are they aware that Michelle Bachmann's son is now in Americorps, I wonder?

572 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:11:15pm

re: #557 Walter L. Newton

I don't even watch Fox, so, I don't even know what you are talking about.

I use progressive because there are many people on the left that are actually proud of that word, identify with it and remind us constantly that they are progressives, not Democrats.

I'm glad to oblige.

Be my guest. Slaughter the language along with the rest of them.

573 What, me worry?  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:11:35pm

re: #484 Sharmuta

OK- I'm weary of this talking point now. If people want to get companies to boycott olbermann- knock yourselves out. Call and write his sponsors and network. Organize your own group to do what color of change is doing. But expecting the left to police their own is like putting a guard fox in front of the henhouse. I don't expect them to do it- do you? No? Than form your own group to go after olbermann.

Well I don't know about the last bit! But you make a point when you talk about organizing.

Say what you will about the Left (not you, particularly, Sharm... I mean the collective "you") but they know how to be effective. Of course, they're not effective in the way the Right agrees! But they have a focus and goals, and they get to it.

Look at the Netroots Convention last week was it? (I'm ready for the barbs over the name LOL) It was renamed from the Annual Kos event. Progressive bloggers get together and discuss things important to them politically. Bill Clinton, Howard Dean were two popular names that attended this year. And I realize you don't care, but wouldn't you like to attend an event with Steele, McCain or Gingrich?

They also talk about being bloggers, the ups, downs, the good, bad and ugly, a subject that not only Charles, but many of his readers would be interested in. Does the Right, or the conservative bloggers (U.S. only if I'm not mistaken) have anything like this?

All I'm saying is that the Republicans are all over the place. You can't look to people like Beck or Rush to lead, it has to be a concerted effort amongst The Peoples. Make sense?

574 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:11:41pm

re: #538 buzzsawmonkey

It's interesting to see how two of the most reflexively "progressive" types here--staunch defenders of gay rights, or at least the PC mouthings that gay-rights advocacy demands--seem to have battened on "butthurt" as their pejorative adjective of choice.

It's a perfectly cromulent word. ;)

It's been in use online for ages, if not here. And it refers to someone being wounded or hurt for silly reasons, -- especially when they've been spanked in a political argument.

575 yochanan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:11:55pm

re: #563 Killian Bundy

people like watching a train wreck or clowns too.

576 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:12:00pm

re: #555 buzzsawmonkey

Walter, have you ever done "The Iceman Cometh" in the course of your theatre work?

Long time ago, in a production in the 70's, don't remember that much, was production manager. I've probably only acted in about 40 shows since the 70's, done a lot more on the production side of live theatre, and producing.

577 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:12:12pm

re: #552 Jimmah

Expect an upding from buzzsawmonkey any second.

If it weren't for your updings of iceweasel a nanosecond after (and sometimes before) her comments, your comment might be just a wee bit less irrelevant.

578 3 wood  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:12:12pm

re: #561 Truck Monkey

I am sorry to hear that. I really enjoy reading your early morning business news. I think that you have a lot to offer. Chin up. I've been there before and I am sure I will be again. Will be thinking of you.

Thanks. I went through this about the same time last year too, so I'm getting used to it.

Hey, unemployment is funemployment, right?

579 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:13:12pm

re: #558 Slumbering Behemoth

Tells you where my mind is at.

580 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:13:17pm
581 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:13:36pm

re: #560 impostinat0r

hiya charles. long time reader here..but seldom comment. I still say boycott the 40 companies trying to supress free speech

Removing ad slots from a show is not a suppression of free speech. To say it is, is a foolish and reactionary position, and show a childish understanding of Constitutional rights.

Beck has the same first amendment rights as the rest of us. And no where in the constitution does it say that anyone has a right to a tv show and advertisers.

I may have to hand out those civics books earlier than Christmas.

582 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:13:54pm

re: #575 yochanan

people like watching a train wreck or clowns too.

I'd like to combine the two-- clowns freak me out.

583 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:14:35pm

re: #538 buzzsawmonkey

It's interesting to see how two of the most reflexively "progressive" types here--staunch defenders of gay rights, or at least the PC mouthings that gay-rights advocacy demands--seem to have battened on "butthurt" as their pejorative adjective of choice.

Why do you you think there is a contradiction between using the term 'butthurt' and advocating gay rights?

[Link: en.wiktionary.org...]

584 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:14:39pm

re: #552 Jimmah

Thanks for reinforcing my point with yet another stupid and childish post. Expect an upding from buzzsawmonkey any second.

You and iceweasel ding as a tag team.

585 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:15:09pm

re: #582 calcajun

I'd like to combine the two-- clowns freak me out.

We couldn't all be cowboys
Some of us are clowns

/Goodnight, Elizabeth, Counting Crows

586 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:15:18pm
587 Racer X  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:15:26pm

re: #577 solomonpanting

If it weren't for your updings of iceweasel a nanosecond after (and sometimes before) her comments, your comment might be just a wee bit less irrelevant.

I'm amused at the clique of circle-jerks.

Ding-circle-jerks?

588 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:16:03pm

re: #587 Racer X

I'm amused at the clique of circle-jerks.

Ding-circle-jerks?

Dingbats.

589 What, me worry?  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:16:22pm

re: #488 Mad Mullah

Are you recommending that Obama's czars and advisors should be fired?

The last time I checked, the President's advisers were not inciting hateful speech.

590 snowcrash  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:16:27pm

I watched the entire show Beck hosted on FEMA Camps. He had the Popular Mechanics editor (of 9-11 debunking issue fame) visit the sites and film them. He totally refuted the FEMA camp conspiracy on TV. So to be fair, Beck did a good job with that issue. I would have to watch entire shows, not video snippets to criticize his content, but his time slot is bad.

591 impostinat0r  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:16:32pm

re: #568 ArmyWife

Political Operatives on behalf od the Govt are agressivelypressuring busniesses to take away the livelyhood of a Political commentator. DEFINATELY an effort to suppress his speech .
Whats next? thugs in purple shirts with lead pipes?

592 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:17:14pm

re: #573 marjoriemoon

Completely agree. All the people who like to imagine the activist left as crazy Code Pink types with home-made signs really should have looked at the Netroots Nation site. Checked out the sheer number of panels, the extent of them. (it's down now because they're already putting together 2010)

The left is highly organised online. The right has nothing like it. It's no wonder they're dominant right now.

The right ought to be using its time out of power to regroup and form networks like these, the way the left did. Because the internet is only going to become more important in politics-- not less.

593 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:17:28pm

re: #573 marjoriemoon

First- I'm glad you're back around.

Second- I totally get you. The right needs to learn how to better organize themselves. We do have CPAC- but that's not really doing it for me these days considering who they promote. It boils down to the general problem on the right at the moment being a lack of strong leadership.

594 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:17:38pm

re: #587 Racer X

I'm amused at the clique of circle-jerks.

Ding-circle-jerks?

I don't mind the mutual updings, just the hypocrisy.

595 Racer X  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:17:54pm

re: #571 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, got a minute and eighteen into that, and can't do any more. He's incoherent.

Are they aware that Michelle Bachmann's son is now in Americorps, I wonder?

I'm watching the whole thing. I prefer to bash Beck on what I see, not on others opinions.

596 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:18:19pm
Youtube Video

/eventually

597 ~Fianna  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:19:03pm

re: #580 buzzsawmonkey

Even you don't believe that.

It seems like even the gay community doesn't see it that way: [Link: slog.thestranger.com...] (link to Savage Love, which has lots and lots of very NSFW content and will probably hit every filter your network admin has set up.)

I can see where that connotation comes from, but I've always associated it more with the mental image of a little whiny kid getting swatted in the rear.

598 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:19:51pm

re: #582 calcajun

I'd like to combine the two-- clowns freak me out.

You'll love this, then.

599 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:19:55pm

re: #583 Jimmah

Why do you you think there is a contradiction between using the term 'butthurt' and advocating gay rights?

[Link: en.wiktionary.org...]

As if you don't know.

600 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:20:14pm

Folks, we have at least four trailing-edge down-dinging stealth Beckbots crawling the thread. They're killing us up there.

601 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:20:14pm

re: #592 iceweasel

Completely agree. All the people who like to imagine the activist left as crazy Code Pink types with home-made signs really should have looked at the Netroots Nation site. Checked out the sheer number of panels, the extent of them. (it's down now because they're already putting together 2010)

The left is highly organised online. The right has nothing like it. It's no wonder they're dominant right now.

The right ought to be using its time out of power to regroup and form networks like these, the way the left did. Because the internet is only going to become more important in politics-- not less.

What worries me right now is that this is happening -- just with the wrong people. I don't want pamela geller networking any more than she already does, frankly. We need the right people doing this.

602 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:20:39pm

re: #591 impostinat0r

Political Operatives on behalf od the Govt are agressivelypressuring busniesses to take away the livelyhood of a Political commentator. DEFINATELY an effort to suppress his speech .

Got Proof?

603 DrNaughty  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:20:41pm

re: #600 Last Mohican

Folks, we have at least four trailing-edge down-dinging stealth Beckbots crawling the thread. They're killing us up there.

What is a 'beckbot" ?

604 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:20:45pm

re: #598 Slumbering Behemoth

You'll love this, then.

That is fantastic. Great job.

605 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:20:57pm

re: #591 impostinat0r

Send me some links, Darlin. You have to back the stuff up. It is OK to boycott stuff you don't believe in - those of us who are conservative and proud of it ought to learn how to use this method to OUR advantage, too!

I do think the fact the radical co-founder of COC is an adviser ought to give pause, and we can and should discuss that, but let's keep in within the factual beacons.

606 Athos  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:21:19pm

re: #593 Sharmuta

To be specific, what is lacking is true conservative Reagan type leadership in the GOP. Paulians and other libretarians are working to fill the void in leadership and organization and we cannot let them or the other fringe groups take that spot.

607 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:21:51pm

re: #586 buzzsawmonkey

Jackals run in packs.

Another personal attack. re: #584 Alouette

You and iceweasel ding as a tag team.

People who share similar views on a topic they feel strongly about will ding each other's posts up where there is agreement. I agree with everything iceweasel has said here, and I don't care who knows it. Hence the updings.

The other side has an even bigger 'tag team' of you want to call it that but we'll just ignore that of course.

608 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:22:02pm

re: #589 marjoriemoon

The last time I checked, the President's advisers were not inciting hateful speech.

Maybe they got most of the insults out during the campaign. Typically I don't cling bitterly to anything, but I have been reconsidering that.

Then there are San Fran Nan's swastika fantasies. That's pretty good incitement, IMO. The other side isn't just like Nazis, they ARE Nazis, etc.

609 Racer X  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:22:06pm

re: #565 Killgore Trout

I thought Pat Caddel made a pretty good point. Beck was tame in this clip.

610 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:22:31pm

re: #604 Erik The Red

Oh, I can't take credit for it. I simply found it, I didn't make it.

611 VioletTiger  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:23:21pm

re: #600 Last Mohican

Folks, we have at least four trailing-edge down-dinging stealth Beckbots crawling the thread. They're killing us up there.

Come out in the open stealth-dingers!
Got something to say--post it.

612 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:23:21pm

re: #600 Last Mohican

Folks, we have at least four trailing-edge down-dinging stealth Beckbots crawling the thread. They're killing us up there.

"Report" your comment #600 to Charles -- make sure he knows.
I'll do the same with this one.

613 Banner  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:23:24pm

If this keeps up I may have to watch him (I have never seen his show) just to see what all the contraversy is about.
According to Drudge ( [Link: tvbythenumbers.com...] ) He's got top ratings now.

I think these colorofchange people are doing him a huge favor, driving his ratings through the roof.

614 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:24:42pm

re: #594 solomonpanting

I don't mind the mutual updings, just the hypocrisy.

Indeed - the hypocrisy of those who religiously upding those whom they agree with yet whine when those of an opposing viewpoint dare to do the same with those they agree with is quite laughable.

615 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:24:48pm

re: #580 buzzsawmonkey

Even you don't believe that.

Interesting that you pretend to know what I actually think, and believe it to be the opposite of my stated positions:

Urban Dictionary:

ButtHurt

An inappropriately strong negative emotional response from a perceived personal insult. Characterized by strong feelings of shame. Frequently associated with a cessation of communication and overt hostility towards the "aggressor."

Here's an example of it used in a sentence:
The wingnuts were butthurt that they didn't know what teabagging meant, and named their movement after a sexual act.

616 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:25:13pm

Glenn Beck has been used to split this blog right down the middle.

617 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:25:30pm

re: #599 Spare O'Lake

As if you don't know.

Please, elaborate.

618 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:25:32pm

re: #607 Jimmah

People who share similar views on a topic they feel strongly about will ding each other's posts up where there is agreement. I agree with everything iceweasel has said here, and I don't care who knows it. Hence the updings.

The other side has an even bigger 'tag team' of you want to call it that but we'll just ignore that of course.

Here ya go.

That is what the disagreeables are thought of here.

Hard to ignore that.

619 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:26:08pm

re: #611 VioletTiger

Come out in the open stealth-dingers!
Got something to say--post it.

Is there some kind of rule against naming them?

620 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:26:18pm
621 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:26:48pm

re: #605 ArmyWife

Send me some links, Darlin. You have to back the stuff up. It is OK to boycott stuff you don't believe in - those of us who are conservative and proud of it ought to learn how to use this method to OUR advantage, too!

Boycotts, like online petitions, never work. Now, I choose to spend my money in some places, and not spend it in others. In a way, like my own personal boycott.

It will never have any effect, other than on myself having the knowledge that I've spent my money in a way that I see fit.

622 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:26:53pm

re: #613 Banner

If this keeps up I may have to watch him (I have never seen his show) just to see what all the contraversy is about.
According to Drudge ( [Link: tvbythenumbers.com...] ) He's got top ratings now.

I think these colorofchange people are doing him a huge favor, driving his ratings through the roof.

Bingo. Great point. This little war between Beck and Van Jones is probably going to get Beck a few hundred thousand new viewers. More and more, the longer it goes on.

And by the way, I just tried to watch Glenn Beck's show for the first time yesterday. I had seen some videos on youtube, but never before the actual show. He was railing against Obama's czars, and I figured I should watch, just for educational value. But I couldn't take it for more than about two minutes.

623 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:26:53pm

re: #606 Athos

To be specific, what is lacking is true conservative Reagan type leadership in the GOP. Paulians and other libretarians are working to fill the void in leadership and organization and we cannot let them or the other fringe groups take that spot.

Absolutely! Unfortunately- those who are in leadership are just following the money, and no one is taking the time, it seems, to work on what's wrong- the foundation. Are we Goldwater/Reagan republicans, or are we paleo-cons or theocrats? I kind of need to know, so I know to give the GOP money or not.

624 Racer X  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:27:26pm

60 STUNNING SATELLITE PHOTOS OF EARTH

625 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:27:44pm

Let's improve the tenor of discussion by considering Heathcliffe, the giant burrowing cockroach, and contender for the title of world's heaviest insect.

626 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:28:00pm

re: #620 buzzsawmonkey

Why can't we be friends? ;-)

627 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:28:25pm

re: #616 Spare O'Lake

I disagree.

628 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:28:54pm

re: #614 Jimmah

Indeed - the hypocrisy of those who religiously upding those whom they agree with yet whine when those of an opposing viewpoint dare to do the same with those they agree with is quite laughable.

I may be wrong, but I don't believe buzzsawmonkey updings others in the religious fashion you imagine, and afford another.

629 VioletTiger  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:28:56pm

re: #545 Slumbering Behemoth

The advertisers that don't want their brand associated with this loony libertarian loudmouth will pull their ads, the ones that do, or don't care, will fill the void.

As long as Beck gets ratings, the ad dollars will come in.

What they will probably do is wait for the storm to pass and then continue on. Unless he comes out with something so outrageous he loses ratings, nothing happens. He's drawing an audience. Somebody must want to hear him.

630 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:29:11pm

re: #616 Spare O'Lake

Glenn Beck has been used to split this blog right down the middle.

He's a Wedgie.

631 What, me worry?  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:29:35pm

re: #592 iceweasel

Completely agree. All the people who like to imagine the activist left as crazy Code Pink types with home-made signs really should have looked at the Netroots Nation site. Checked out the sheer number of panels, the extent of them. (it's down now because they're already putting together 2010)

The left is highly organised online. The right has nothing like it. It's no wonder they're dominant right now.

The right ought to be using its time out of power to regroup and form networks like these, the way the left did. Because the internet is only going to become more important in politics-- not less.

Agree. It only helps to serve everyone anyway. I think most of the more liberal posters here will agree, both sides want the same thing, although they may have different ways of getting to it. Of course, tempers get hot, but having that kind of organization on the Right may actual bring about civil discourse.

Well who the hell knows. I could be way off lol worth a shot, I think.

632 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:29:57pm

re: #617 Jimmah

Please, elaborate.

I would but I must log off now.
Have a good evening, everyone.

633 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:30:02pm

see what I mean?
;/>

634 impostinat0r  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:30:10pm

#605

"I do think the fact the radical co-founder of COC is an adviser ought to give pause, and we can and should discuss that"

ya think?
It could all be just a coincidence:)

I am not saying advertiser are obligate to advertise with anyone for any reason..I am saying this is a bigger effort than that.. If this is successful i will have a chilling effect on future free speech . I think political ideology boycotts should cut both ways.
These companies have to stand up for free speech or pay

635 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:30:17pm

re: #622 Last Mohican

And by the way, I just tried to watch Glenn Beck's show for the first time yesterday. I had seen some videos on youtube, but never before the actual show. He was railing against Obama's czars, and I figured I should watch, just for educational value. But I couldn't take it for more than about two minutes.

It's the roll eyes sincerity, and the thoughtful pauses that get me, as if he just figured something out; not to mention how often he mentions alcoholism.

636 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:31:18pm

re: #625 itellu3times

Let's improve the tenor of discussion by considering Heathcliffe, the giant burrowing cockroach, and contender for the title of world's heaviest insect.

Well, I'll give Heathcliffe my support in his quest to be the world's heaviest insect. But I really have a problem with the assertion that he'd make a great pet.

637 VioletTiger  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:31:29pm

re: #613 Banner

If this keeps up I may have to watch him (I have never seen his show) just to see what all the contraversy is about.
According to Drudge ( [Link: tvbythenumbers.com...] ) He's got top ratings now.

I think these colorofchange people are doing him a huge favor, driving his ratings through the roof.

The Sarah Palin thing did wonders for Letterman.

638 clintonite  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:31:59pm

re: #626 quickjustice

Speaking of friends, those is the first chance I've had to post since coming back from Pyongyang.

639 3 wood  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:32:01pm

Toyota Will Shut California Car Plant in First Factory Closure

Aug. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Toyota Motor Corp. said it will shut a California auto-assembly plant that operated as a joint venture with General Motors Corp. for 25 years, the first time Japan’s largest carmaker has closed a factory at home or abroad.

New United Motor Manufacturing Inc. in Fremont, California, will end production of Corolla cars and Tacoma pickups in March 2010, Toyota said in a statement. GM in June said it would end assembly of Pontiac Vibes at the plant, known as Nummi, and quit the venture as part of its bankruptcy reorganization.

A collapse in U.S. auto sales to the lowest level since 1976 has left Toyota, the world’s largest automaker, struggling to keep North American plants running at capacity. Closing the San Francisco Bay area plant, where Toyota President Akio Toyoda spent two years, compounds economic woes in California, which struggled this month to close a $26 billion budget deficit.

640 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:32:14pm

re: #621 Slumbering Behemoth

Boycotts, like online petitions, never seldom work.


Montgomery bus boycott, 1955. The exception that proves the rule.

641 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:32:29pm
642 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:33:07pm

re: #626 quickjustice

Why can't we be friends? ;-)


Can't we all just get along?

643 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:33:16pm

re: #624 Racer X

60 STUNNING SATELLITE PHOTOS OF EARTH

Those are great! Artificial color added, of course, but that's how most astro photos are done these days, too.

Photos show much evidence of intelligent life, too. I wonder if we'll be able to talk to them.

644 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:33:32pm

re: #629 VioletTiger

He's drawing an audience. Somebody must want to hear him.

Less than 1% of the U.S. population does, but that's enough for great ratings. I don't like him, and I am amazed at those who point to that Loony Libertarian Loudmouth and call him a Conservative, but hey, he gets ratings.

And as long as he does, he will be profitable for FNC.

645 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:33:44pm

re: #634 impostinat0r

Do you think you could use the "reply" and "quote" buttons? It would make reading much easier.

646 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:34:14pm

re: #614 Jimmah

Indeed - the hypocrisy of those who religiously upding those whom they agree with yet whine when those of an opposing viewpoint dare to do the same with those they agree with is quite laughable.

Didn't you get the memo? When 'teh left' does something it's despicable; when the right does it it's just fine. ;)

647 What, me worry?  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:34:26pm

re: #593 Sharmuta

First- I'm glad you're back around.

Second- I totally get you. The right needs to learn how to better organize themselves. We do have CPAC- but that's not really doing it for me these days considering who they promote. It boils down to the general problem on the right at the moment being a lack of strong leadership.

Thanks! Nice to be back!

I think it takes one of them thar grassroots efforts, some good old fashion community organizing skills. That's how Netroots came about. And really, that's what this country was founded on.

648 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:34:30pm

re: #612 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"Report" your comment #600 to Charles -- make sure he knows.
I'll do the same with this one.

I wonder - does Charles consider stealth-dinging strictly illegal? I remember the other night he stomped out a couple of particularly egregious stealth dingers. But I didn't know if that was a general policy.

649 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:34:40pm

re: #620 buzzsawmonkey

If you didn't understand the statement--as your question above implies--why did you reflexively ding it down?

Do you habitually downding things you don't understand on spec?

What do you think this does to any appearance of integrity on your part?

Why are you unable to make declaratory statements?

Why do you always ask questions instead?

Do you really not understand something that other people here seem to have no problem understanding?

Please be aware that if these questions, and any corollaries that arise in the answering process, are not all answered fully and immediately, you are entitled to be hounded from thread to thread with endless repeats of "why don't you just answer the question?", since that seems to be the new local custom.

What makes you think I didn't understand your post? I didn't imply anything of the sort. You seemed to be convinced for some reason that use of the term "butthurt" was in contradiction of gay rights advocacy. I know it isn't - I wanted to know why you thought ot was - where you got such abizarre notion from.

Why can't you answer the question? What do you think your refusal to answer such questions does for you here?

650 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:34:53pm

re: #615 iceweasel

I am going to stick my nose in others business and weigh in here. The very (very) few times you have updingalinged me was when I've asked people to be good to each other, and to separate political argument from personal attack. I don't say those things to win favor here. I believe in it - and though I'm certainly not immune from the occasional bitchy comment, I really try to be respectful to you, to Jimmah, to those whose ideas are diametrically opposed to mine. Right now, I feel like it is OK for you to be hurtful, but press the panic button if someone so much as gives you a slightly hairy eyeball.

Buzz is one of the most intelligent posters we have here. I enjoy his insight immensely. I support your right to post your thoughts openly and honestly. Is it too much to ask that those of us who aren't as liberal as you do the same? I don't expect you to saw "Oh, AW, how brilliant you are and I shall change post haste" but I am hoping maybe you will see that the "attacks" aren't always so one sided.

651 Athos  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:35:06pm

re: #623 Sharmuta

I got a call from the RNCC last night looking for $$ - listened to the pitch by Boehner (sp?) and waited to talk to the person who wanted a $100 donation...and told them that until the RNCC and RNC did not start actually embracing traditional conservative values, leading, and cleaning out of the party the theocrats and libretarians, I would continue to donate directly to the specific candidates who share my values and not to any national or state organization.

652 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:35:08pm

re: #640 jim in virginia

Right, thank you for the correction.

653 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:35:09pm

re: #638 clintonite

Speaking of friends, those is the first chance I've had to post since coming back from Pyongyang.

They must have held you for a long time. How did you get away?

654 clintonite  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:35:30pm

re: #643 itellu3times

Those are great! Artificial color added, of course, but that's how most astro photos are done these days, too.

Photos show much evidence of intelligent life, too. I wonder if we'll be able to talk to them.

Ask Cato, maybe he can get you in.

655 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:35:44pm

re: #641 buzzsawmonkey

Heh. Too much garbage on YouTube to find a decent recording of War.

Then you two will have to rely upon Remembrance.

656 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:36:23pm

re: #641 buzzsawmonkey

Heh. Too much garbage on YouTube to find a decent recording of War.

You mean, "what is it good for?"

657 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:36:37pm

I guess this is why I fix the bugs and make the comment system work better, so you guys can bicker faster.

658 Mad Mullah  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:36:44pm

I was just doing some quick investigative surfing to dig up some dirt on these leftist fools, and I just found something out about this ridiculous group called "Color of Change", which is the moronic group behind this boycott.

On their main website, they list the argument that they have against Beck.

Fox's Glenn Beck recently said President Obama is "a racist" and has a "deep-seated hatred for white people." Beck is on a campaign to convince the American public that President Obama's agenda is about serving the needs of Black communities at White people's expense. It's repulsive, divisive and shouldn't be on the air.

However, they had no problem with making and selling this t-shirt which fully endorses the claim that George Bush is racist. The T-shirt reads "Kanye was right". For anybody who is not aware, this refers to a particular comment made by Kanye West during a Katrina fundraiser on tv in which he blurted out " George Bush doesn't care about black people"

[Link: www.zazzle.com...]

So it's ok for them to have engaged in a campaign and profited from T-shirts which claimed that Bush was racist, but they are all upset now because a tv show host claims that Obama is racist? Double standards anybody?

They can go screw themselves, they are a bunch of hypocritical fools.

659 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:36:54pm

re: #628 solomonpanting

I may be wrong, but I don't believe buzzsawmonkey updings others in the religious fashion you imagine, and afford another.

Simple question solomon - this is what it boils down to:

Is there something wrong with updinging a post you agree with?

Take your time.

660 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:36:58pm

"Your mother rented this film, What Happens In Vegas. I thought it was going to be non-fiction, but it's fiction, and it's about some idiot."

661 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:37:06pm

re: #641 buzzsawmonkey

Heh. Too much garbage on YouTube to find a decent recording of War.

The video sucks but the song's good.


Youtube Video
662 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:37:13pm

re: #638 clintonite

Speaking of friends, those is the first chance I've had to post since coming back from Pyongyang.


Bill! Meet any sweet young thangs in Pyongyang?

663 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:37:24pm

re: #648 Last Mohican

I wonder - does Charles consider stealth-dinging strictly illegal? I remember the other night he stomped out a couple of particularly egregious stealth dingers. But I didn't know if that was a general policy.

Yeah. I was here for that.
I honestly don't know what the rule is.
What th' hay, let him know about it and let him make the call.

664 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:37:33pm

re: #638 clintonite

Bring 'em back alive!

665 kcladderman  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:37:35pm

re: #648 Last Mohican

I wonder - does Charles consider stealth-dinging strictly illegal? I remember the other night he stomped out a couple of particularly egregious stealth dingers. But I didn't know if that was a general policy.

I don't really consider up or down dinging upthread necessarily stealth dinging. Some might just be catching up on the thread. Seeing it on LFG spy gives you an idea if they are"ding bats" lol

666 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:38:28pm

re: #663 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yeah. I was here for that.
I honestly don't know what the rule is.
What th' hay, let him know about it and let him make the call.

The only rule is that if I see it happening in the Spy I'll put a stop to it.

667 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:38:55pm
668 kcladderman  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:39:12pm

re: #658 Mad Mullah

Oh I think we all know that already.

669 VioletTiger  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:39:33pm

re: #644 Slumbering Behemoth

Less than 1% of the U.S. population does, but that's enough for great ratings. I don't like him, and I am amazed at those who point to that Loony Libertarian Loudmouth and call him a Conservative, but hey, he gets ratings.

And as long as he does, he will be profitable for FNC.


That's the bottom line.
Here's what I think is the biggest difference between Fox and the other cable networks.
MSNBC, etc. are pushing their ideology, regardless of the audience.
Fox is going for ratings and catering to an audience who wants to hear what they are broadcasting. It may have nothing to do with their personal ideology. It's just about profit. Capitalism, pure and simple.

670 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:39:52pm

re: #650 ArmyWife


I support your right to post your thoughts openly and honestly. Is it too much to ask that those of us who aren't as liberal as you do the same? I don't expect you to saw "Oh, AW, how brilliant you are and I shall change post haste" but I am hoping maybe you will see that the "attacks" aren't always so one sided.

AW, all I've done is point out that this word doesn't have the connotation he is desperate to tie it to. You may have noted that in saying to me "Even you don't believe that" he was, essentially, implying that I am a liar.

I've embarrassed him by pointing out that he's completely wrong. That's all.

I'm all for civility, btw.

671 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:40:09pm

re: #657 Charles

I guess this is why I fix the bugs and make the comment system work better, so you guys can bicker faster.

Best bugless bickering blog, bar none!

672 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:40:14pm

re: #657 Charles

Now if you could just tweak the code a little so we could bicker stronger and better as well. We'd be like the Six Million Dollar Grumpy Pusses.

673 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:40:16pm

Republicans joke about killing the President at GOP event...
Rammell howls at Otter for not buying wolf tag

Rammell's remarks on Otter came in an interview Wednesday after the Times-News asked about comments Rammell made Tuesday night at a local Republican party event.

After an audience member shouted a question about "Obama tags" during a discussion on wolves, Rammell responded, "The Obama tags? We'd buy some of those."

Rammell, a veterinarian and former elk rancher from Idaho Falls, said his comment was a joke and he would never seriously talk about President Obama that way, although he doesn't support anything Obama's done as president.

"I was just being sarcastic. That was just a joke," Rammell said. "I would never support him being assassinated.

As per Zombie's last report, no arrests were made.

674 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:40:17pm
675 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:40:30pm

re: #666 Charles

The only rule is that if I see it happening in the Spy I'll put a stop to it.

Thanks for the info.

676 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:40:45pm

re: #657 Charles

I guess this is why I fix the bugs and make the comment system work better, so you guys can bicker faster.


It's working!

677 clintonite  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:40:51pm

re: #650 ArmyWife

I am going to stick my nose in others business and weigh in here. The very (very) few times you have updingalinged me was when I've asked people to be good to each other, and to separate political argument from personal attack. I don't say those things to win favor here. I believe in it - and though I'm certainly not immune from the occasional bitchy comment, I really try to be respectful to you, to Jimmah, to those whose ideas are diametrically opposed to mine. Right now, I feel like it is OK for you to be hurtful, but press the panic button if someone so much as gives you a slightly hairy eyeball.

Buzz is one of the most intelligent posters we have here. I enjoy his insight immensely. I support your right to post your thoughts openly and honestly. Is it too much to ask that those of us who aren't as liberal as you do the same? I don't expect you to saw "Oh, AW, how brilliant you are and I shall change post haste" but I am hoping maybe you will see that the "attacks" aren't always so one sided.

My guess is a little beer and a room, we'd all be friends by morning, ladies. Give peace a chance!

678 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:41:14pm

re: #661 MandyManners

This is the best--I think it's the original.

Youtube Video
679 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:42:02pm

re: #678 MandyManners

This is the best--I think it's the original.


[Video]

More cowbell!

680 VioletTiger  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:42:10pm

re: #619 Naso Tang

Is there some kind of rule against naming them?


I don't think so.

681 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:42:35pm

Get a room, guys! ;-)

682 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:42:58pm

Ahh, who cares ?
Think I'll shave the dog and play kitchen bowling.

683 Mad Mullah  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:43:31pm

re: #668 kcladderman

Oh I think we all know that already.

Oh, I must have missed that. Sorry.

684 kcladderman  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:43:39pm

re: #677 clintonite

My guess is a little beer and a room, we'd all be friends by morning, ladies. Give peace a chance!

Did you just invite Army Wife and Iceweasle to grab some some beer and a motel room with you?
///

685 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:44:01pm

re: #657 Charles

I guess this is why I fix the bugs and make the comment system work better, so you guys can bicker faster.

Soon they'll be flat-out flicking their bicker.

686 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:44:29pm

re: #650 ArmyWife


Buzz is one of the most intelligent posters we have here. I enjoy his insight immensely. I support your right to post your thoughts openly and honestly. Is it too much to ask that those of us who aren't as liberal as you do the same? I don't expect you to saw "Oh, AW, how brilliant you are and I shall change post haste" but I am hoping maybe you will see that the "attacks" aren't always so one sided.

Yes, Buzz is smart and really good with language, not to mention puns. But he does have a trigger temper at times, particularly when challenged.

My advantage is that my memory isn't what it used to be, so every thread is a new day, so to speak. Challenge one day, agree the next.

Variety is the spice of the day, every day.

687 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:44:47pm

[Singing]: "Rule Brittania, Britannia rule the waves. Britons never never never will be slaves."

688 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:45:46pm

re: #672 Slumbering Behemoth

Now if you could just tweak the code a little so we could bicker stronger and better as well. We'd be like the Six Million Dollar Grumpy Pusses.

You mean we could be harder, better, faster, stronger?

Youtube Video

(If you haven't seen this before, make sure you keep watching at least until the lyrics start. It's pretty dull at the beginning. It really gets cooking around 2:00).

689 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:45:51pm
690 clintonite  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:45:52pm

re: #673 Killgore Trout

Republicans joke about killing the President at GOP event...
Rammell howls at Otter for not buying wolf tag

As per Zombie's last report, no arrests were made.

I guess that the arrests will come after the movie is made, huh?

691 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:45:56pm

re: #684 kcladderman

and don't you wish you were invited, Pal! I'd bet Iceweasel and I will make quite the picture in our bikinis, just like last time. Opps, did I say too much? ;)

692 Racer X  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:45:58pm

Its only talk.

693 VioletTiger  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:46:02pm

We need some Comic Relief.

694 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:46:30pm

re: #682 SasquatchOnSteroids

Hey SOS how are you tonight. I am watching The Jags beat Mag Dog Vick. And am following the thread trying to stay out of trouble. Good thing to. One regular poster already got a time out.

695 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:46:53pm

re: #686 Naso Tang

at the end of the day, he makes far less of an ass of himself with stupid typos like I am prone to do. Ok, that is everyone but me.

696 kcladderman  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:47:19pm

re: #668 kcladderman

Oh I think we all most of us know that already.

we all

697 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:47:32pm

re: #634 impostinat0r

#605

"I do think the fact the radical co-founder of COC is an adviser ought to give pause, and we can and should discuss that"

ya think?
It could all be just a coincidence:)

I am not saying advertiser are obligate to advertise with anyone for any reason..I am saying this is a bigger effort than that.. If this is successful i will have a chilling effect on future free speech . I think political ideology boycotts should cut both ways.
These companies have to stand up for free speech or pay

And then what happens when these companies are sponsoring speech YOU don't like? That is truly offensive? You've just screwed yourself out of a means to counter it.

It works both ways. You can't expect offensive speech to be shunned when it should if you take away the means to shun it. Form a Save Glen Beck! society then, but don't take away my means to tell someone with my money that they're out of line.

698 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:47:32pm

Eurofascists on the rise...
Sweden Democrats gain in new voter poll

According to political scientist Sören Holmberg, Swedish democracy may be in for a “difficult situation” if the Sweden Democrats end up as the party that could give either political bloc a majority in the Riksdag.

“We may have a thorny discussion about what sort of influence the Sweden Democrats can have in Swedish politics. But we should also be reminded that the government doesn’t need to resign [if it’s unable to achieve a majority],” he told the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper.

699 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:47:37pm

re: #694 Erik The Red

Hey SOS how are you tonight. I am watching The Jags beat Mag Dog Vick. And am following the thread trying to stay out of trouble. Good thing to. One regular poster already got a time out.

Maybe the Jags will dogpile him. One can only hope.
Who got the TO ?

700 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:48:04pm

Repeating that old southern proverb: "There's no sense in getting down in the mud and wrestling with a pig. You both get covered in mud, and the pig likes it!"

701 clintonite  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:48:24pm

re: #684 kcladderman

Did you just invite Army Wife and Iceweasle to grab some some beer and a motel room with you?
///


Don't forget buzzsawmonkey!

702 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:48:40pm

re: #699 SasquatchOnSteroids


Who got the TO ?

Maybe it doesn't matter?

703 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:48:55pm

re: #689 buzzsawmonkey

What better time to have one, I ask you?

Personally, I think better when not going off half cocked (trigger, get it?), but each to his own.

704 kcladderman  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:49:15pm

??? scratching head trying to figure out what is I just did.

705 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:49:40pm

re: #702 Last Mohican

Maybe it doesn't matter?

Probably right.
*sigh

706 Racer X  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:49:50pm

re: #688 Last Mohican

You mean we could be harder, better, faster, stronger?


[Video]

(If you haven't seen this before, make sure you keep watching at least until the lyrics start. It's pretty dull at the beginning. It really gets cooking around 2:00).

Make your own!
Work it

707 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:49:56pm

re: #703 Naso Tang

Stupid of me. Of course you got it...

708 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:49:59pm

Also from Sweden: Swedish woman in porn flakes breakfast shock


Ida Riedel Palmer, 23, was left disappointed when what was advertised as a free "body jam" dance CD with her breakfast cereal directed her to a hardcore porn website.

heh.

709 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:50:04pm

re: #691 ArmyWife

and don't you wish you were invited, Pal! I'd bet Iceweasel and I will make quite the picture in our bikinis, just like last time. Opps, did I say too much? ;)

You promised you wouldn't tell. :(

710 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:50:05pm

re: #651 Athos

I got a call from the RNCC last night looking for $$ - listened to the pitch by Boehner (sp?) and waited to talk to the person who wanted a $100 donation...and told them that until the RNCC and RNC did not start actually embracing traditional conservative values, leading, and cleaning out of the party the theocrats and libretarians, I would continue to donate directly to the specific candidates who share my values and not to any national or state organization.

GOOD FOR YOU!

711 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:50:06pm

re: #688 Last Mohican

Oh, that is neat. Pretty creative.

712 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:50:31pm

re: #659 Jimmah

Simple question solomon - this is what it boils down to:

Is there something wrong with updinging a post you agree with?

Take your time.

No, none at all. And, as mentioned above, you don't seem to understand certain statements, as when when I said that I don't mind the updinging.
Let me be perfectly clear: I don't mind the updinging.
Now, once more, and with feewing: I don't mind the updinging.
It was the chutzpah of your response to buzzsawmonkey as though he follows and fawns over one particular poster closer than a tailgater.

713 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:51:17pm

re: #699 SasquatchOnSteroids

Maybe the Jags will dogpile him. One can only hope.
Who got the TO ?

Were two and I have no idea. Still getting to know all the players. I have miss lots over the last 23 years. Ask me to name the Top 6 playing rugby teams, names and positions no problem. It will take me a few games to get to know the players.

714 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:52:14pm

Anyone posted this yet?
Politicizing the NEA

the Obama appointees were trying to enlist the arts community as an army to promote the administration’s domestic agenda, starting with the health-care wars...We are just now learning how to really bring this community together to speak with the government. What that looks like legally? . . . Bear with us as we learn the language so that we can speak to each other safely
715 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:52:47pm

re: #713 Erik The Red

Were two and I have no idea. Still getting to know all the players. I have miss lots over the last 23 years. Ask me to name the Top 6 playing rugby teams, names and positions no problem. It will take me a few games to get to know the players.

What is R-U-G-B-Y ?

//

716 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:53:00pm

re: #694 Erik The Red

I am watching The Jags beat Mag Dog Vick.

I would like to see that game. Instead, Miami vs Tampa Bay.

717 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:53:35pm

re: #691 ArmyWife

You ladies keep talking like that, and I'll have to run out and buy some more hand lotion.

On second thought, I've been mastering the BBQ for so many years, I've gotten pretty good with a dry rub.
/oh no he didn't

718 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:54:24pm

re: #717 Slumbering Behemoth

egads.

719 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:54:29pm

re: #706 Racer X

Make your own!
Work it

Now THAT is cool. Looks like I have a project for the next few months.

720 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:54:31pm

re: #716 midwestgak

I am watching The Jags beat Mag Dog Vick.

I would like to see that game. Instead, Miami vs Tampa Bay.

Mad Dog Vick has not been in yet at QB. Maybe second half.

721 clintonite  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:55:36pm

Shit! Rodham's back bbl

722 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:57:39pm

re: #720 Erik The Red

Mad Dog Vick has not been in yet at QB. Maybe second half.

He had that meeting or something in Arlington today about a lawsuit, IIRC.
I heard his plane was due to land back in Philly an hour before gametime.

723 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:58:05pm

re: #720 Erik The Red

Mad Dog Vick has not been in yet at QB. Maybe second half.

He is now eligible to play as of tonight. He has an uphill climb to prove he can qualify as QB. How many years away from football? 2 and 1/2?

724 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:58:09pm

re: #691 ArmyWife

I'm afraid to fool around with Armywife. Armyhusband doesn't just have a gun, he has access to tanks.

725 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:58:23pm

re: #722 SasquatchOnSteroids

He had that meeting or something in Arlington today about a lawsuit, IIRC.
I heard his plane was due to land back in Philly an hour before gametime.

He is suited up. We shall see.

726 sngnsgt  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:58:37pm

re: #678 MandyManners

This is the best--I think it's the original.



Sí...

727 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:59:51pm

re: #725 Erik The Red

He is suited up. We shall see.

I'd watch it, but mini me has declared victory and is watching Disney Channel.
Gees.

728 idioma  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:59:52pm

how long until the tap runs dry?

729 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:00:05pm

re: #723 midwestgak

He is now eligible to play as of tonight. He has an uphill climb to prove he can qualify as QB. How many years away from football? 2 and 1/2?

He may have just learned how to protect balls better.:)))

730 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:00:16pm
731 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:00:27pm

re: #714 jim in virginia

Anyone posted this yet?
Politicizing the NEA

I wrote a three movement piano work dedicated to the opposition of healthcare and sent it to the NEA. I even advised them that they could title the work. The manuscript was sent back to me last week in the mail, with their added caption of Persona Non Grata Sonata.

732 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:00:32pm

re: #689 buzzsawmonkey

particularly when challenged

What better time to have one, I ask you?

I've never known you to be challenged.
/but then, we all have our infirmities

733 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:02:29pm

re: #714 jim in virginia

Anyone posted this yet?
Politicizing the NEA

This is just the beginning. This is the first telephone call of a brand new conversation.

That sounded familiar so I went back to what I read this afternoon:

The 2008 National Conference for Media Reform has come to an end, but the future is ours to shape.

Thanks to the hundreds of attendees, volunteers, speakers, workers, press and staff who helped make this year's event even bigger and better than the last.

While media reform begins with me, let's not forget the 'we' we've created here and will carry with us to wherever we call home.

This was the National Conference for Media Reform, at which FCBBHO's "diversity officer" Mark Lloyd spoke.

[Link: www.fcc.gov...]

[Link: www.freepress.net...]

After you get to the second link, click on the link to Media Reform and Social Change to see who else spoke during that session. Click on their bios.

734 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:03:23pm

re: #731 Pianobuff

I wrote a three movement piano work dedicated to the opposition of healthcare and sent it to the NEA. I even advised them that they could title the work. The manuscript was sent back to me last week in the mail, with their added caption of Persona Non Grata Sonata.

You could consider that a-dodge-io

735 calcajun  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:04:52pm

re: #700 quickjustice

Repeating that old southern proverb: "There's no sense in getting down in the mud and wrestling with a pig. You both get covered in mud, and the pig likes it!"

And it seems wrong without the music.//

736 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:05:48pm

re: #733 MandyManners


Program Overview

Program Details

Schedule at a Glance

Pre-Conference Events

Speakers & Presenters

Downloadable Materials


Media Reform and Social Change
Speakers:
Amalia Anderson, Deepa Fernandes, Mark Lloyd, Medea Benjamin
Media Reform Activism and Movement Building
Communication and access to technology are central to the success of all social change efforts. Media have the power to spark social change movements or to marginalize them. In this conversation, accomplished leaders in movements for human rights and social justice issues share their experiences and discuss why they prioritize media reform in their work. What impact do media policies have on social change movements? What kind of infrastructure, ownership and access to media are necessary for communities to win their quest for justice?

737 MJ  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:05:55pm

Stunning poll numbers:

'4% of Israelis say Obama pro-Israel'

The number of Israelis who see US President Barack Obama's policies as pro-Israel has fallen to 4 percent, according to a Smith Research poll taken this week on behalf of The Jerusalem Post...


[Link: www.jpost.com...]

738 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:06:29pm

Oops. I didn't mean for the extraneous stuff to get posted.

739 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:06:43pm

re: #725 Erik The Red

He is suited up. We shall see.

Give me a play by play if it's interesting.

740 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:06:56pm

re: #733 MandyManners

This was the National Conference for Media Reform, at which FCBBHO's "diversity officer" Mark Lloyd spoke.

[Link: www.fcc.gov...]

[Link: www.freepress.net...]

After you get to the second link, click on the link to Media Reform and Social Change to see who else spoke during that session. Click on their bios.

If those articles don't scare you, you're either crazy or a liberal. But I repeat myself...

741 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:07:43pm

re: #734 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You could consider that a-dodge-io

And here I thought it would be a good overture.

742 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:08:02pm

re: #736 MandyManners


Media Reform and Social Change
Speakers:
Amalia Anderson, Deepa Fernandes, Mark Lloyd, Medea Benjamin
Media Reform Activism and Movement Building
Communication and access to technology are central to the success of all social change efforts. Media have the power to spark social change movements or to marginalize them. In this conversation, accomplished leaders in movements for human rights and social justice issues share their experiences and discuss why they prioritize media reform in their work. What impact do media policies have on social change movements? What kind of infrastructure, ownership and access to media are necessary for communities to win their quest for justice?

Sounds like the sort of discussion that Obama enjoys.

/spits on CBBHO

743 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:08:02pm

re: #739 midwestgak

Give me a play by play if it's interesting.

Will do, if he comes on.

744 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:09:10pm

OK crew. I am going to take the fear inducing Chihuahuas for a walk (that is SGT and LT to you) and then hit the hot tub for a few. Behave, be good.

745 jaunte  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:09:42pm

re: #742 Dark_Falcon

for communities to win their quest for justice

Caution, redistribution ahead.

746 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:09:45pm

Amalia Anderson

Amalia Anderson was born in Guatemala, of Mayan heritage, grew up in Minnesota, and enjoys an understanding of global identity for which she credits Macalester. She was active in Twin Cities Latino organizations and spent a semester studying in Central America through the Center for Global Education. “There,” she says, “I began to understand fair trade, the effects of global financial institutions, liberation theology and displacement due to civil war, militarization and globalization.” As one born in Central America, returning to study there, Anderson learned that “the people of Central America still claim us and we should do the same.”

“Amalia has worked hard to gain an education and professional credentials, and then she has turned right around and used these accomplishments, not for her own material benefit, but in order to help others.”
Professor Peter Rachleff,
History

A history and urban studies major at Macalester, she earned her law degree at Hamline University, where she was active in the Chicano-Latino and the Inter-American Indigenous Law Student Associations.

Anderson co-founded Fourth World Rising, a project to mentor young indigenous peoples and connect local struggles with the international indigenous movement. In August 2005, she co-led a Minnesota indigenous delegation to the 16th World Festival of Youth and Students in Caracas, Venezuela. She participated in the United Nations Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues in New York City and the U.N. Working Group on Indigenous Populations in Geneva, Switzerland.

Professor Peter Rachleff wrote, “Amalia has worked hard to gain an education and professional credentials, and then she has turned right around and used these accomplishments, not for her own material benefit, but in order to help others.”

Currently, Anderson is co-director of Raíces (Roots), a four-year rural Latino leadership and capacity-building project in Minnesota, Iowa, Idaho and Oregon. The Minnesota Hispanic Chamber of Commerce in 2005 named her one of “25 on the Rise.”


[Link: www.macalester.edu...]

747 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:09:49pm

re: #744 ArmyWife

OK crew. I am going to take the fear inducing Chihuahuas for a walk (that is SGT and LT to you) and then hit the hot tub for a few. Behave, be good.

Good Night AW.

748 sngnsgt  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:10:33pm

OT

I just received a call from a group promoting the Obama health care plan claiming she was doing a survey. She was kinda' surprised and disappointed by my responses to her questions. I ended the call by saying, "If you didn't want to hear my answers, you shouldn't have asked the questions." /click

749 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:10:45pm

re: #737 MJ

Stunning poll numbers:

'4% of Israelis say Obama pro-Israel'


[Link: www.jpost.com...]

The poll of 500 people representing a statistical model of the Jewish Israeli population had a margin of error of 4.5%.

So there's a chance that a negative .5% believe Obama is pro-Israel?

750 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:11:01pm

re: #741 Pianobuff

And here I thought it would be a good overture.

Then I take it Bach.

751 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:11:18pm

re: #674 buzzsawmonkey

Do they brainwash you poor saps into chanting this as some sort of Butthurt Buddy "On Renge Kyo" thing?

Well done! Another pathetic non-response from buzz.

752 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:11:40pm

Deepa Fernandes

Deepa Fernandes is a journalist and educator. She has produced award-winning radio features around the world for the BBC World Service and Pacifica Radio. Her first book, Targeted; National Security and the Big Business of Immigration, was published in 2007. Fernandes hosts a three-hour morning radio show, Wakeup Call, on the Pacifica Radio station WBAI in New York and is the founder and co-director of People's Production House, a national media justice training center headquartered in New York City. She is a 2007 Puffin Foundation Writing Fellow at the Nation Institute.

753 Dustoff-507  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:11:45pm

Well, like it or not. Beck is pulling high numbers. Who ever left him well be replaced by others. It's biz folks.

754 jaunte  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:11:46pm

re: #746 MandyManners

“the people of Central America still claim us and we should do the same.”

I know she thinks she's communicating something specific with this, but it beats me just what it is.

755 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:12:22pm

*pops head up* Is it safe yet? Looks like we all need a good chuckle.

756 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:12:34pm

re: #748 sngnsgt

OT

I just received a call from a group promoting the Obama health care plan claiming she was doing a survey. She was kinda' surprised and disappointed by my responses to her questions. I ended the call by saying, "If you didn't want to hear my answers, you shouldn't have asked the questions." /click

Loves it!

757 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:12:46pm

re: #711 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh, that is neat. Pretty creative.

And if you promise you're over 21, you can check out the full-body versions. They're harder to read, but they have a certain, well, visual appeal:

Female version.
Male version.

There are various multiperson versions too. For example this one, or this one by the entire Wellesley College rugby team.

758 shortshrift  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:13:17pm

re: #545 Slumbering Behemoth

The advertisers that don't want their brand associated with this loony libertarian loudmouth will pull their ads, the ones that do, or don't care, will fill the void.

As long as Beck gets ratings, the ad dollars will come in.

Glad to catch up with you on this thread.
For a corporation to come to a conclusion that Beck is "a loony libertarian loudmouth", someone in that company is thinking politically. They could hide behind commercial anxiety for their brand being associated with political "controversy" if they also withdrew from Olbermann - or all opinion shows. But they cannot hide behind "loony Libertarian", withdraw from Beck and still be thought to be doing this for any commercial reason. They might be directed ideologically, with or without a hint from administration friends, or they might be giving in to the COC race hustle.
No one so far has commented on my suggestion that if corporations are going to join boycotts for political reasons, they should instead put a political message - or disclaimer - in their commercial.
"Clorox means clean. Clean for everyone. Clorox loves everyone and everyone loves Clorox. An equal opportunity product, unaffiliated with any party, race, or creed."

759 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:14:12pm

re: #751 Jimmah

Well done! Another pathetic non-response from buzz.

SMACK! Stop picking on buzzsawmonkey. You've said he's wrong, drop it. That goes for you too, bsm.

760 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:14:18pm

re: #755 BlueCanuck

*pops head up* Is it safe yet? Looks like we all need a good chuckle.

Hey Blue. How the hell are you? May be better to stick your head back down. :)

761 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:14:39pm

US moves toward formal cutoff of aid to Honduras

U.S. State Department staff have recommended that the ouster of Honduran President Manuel Zelaya be declared a "military coup," a U.S. official said on Thursday, a step that could cut off tens of millions of dollars in U.S. funding to the impoverished Central American nation.

The official, who spoke on condition he not be named, said State Department staff had made such a recommendation to U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who was expected to make a decision on the matter soon.

Nevermind that Zelaya was removed by the Honduran high court.

/is there some reason we're carrying water for Hugo Chavez and Daniel Ortega here?

762 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:14:43pm

re: #752 MandyManners The Puffin Foundation? You're making this up, right?

763 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:14:50pm

Hey all.
Colorado Democrat Rep. Betsy Markey(D) told constituents today that Medicare recipients will have to "give up some current benefits" for Obamacare reform to work.

Mao Tse Tung says change must come...
Get the facts, cuz you know what they are, let Mao Tse Tung be your guide to star..

764 LSD  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:15:24pm

I suspect many of the "advertisers" that are on the bandwagon have never advertised during Beck's show (I don't watch so I don't know, but I've seen this BS before), and these companies are only pledging that they won't.

I'd call that a fail.

765 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:15:56pm

re: #687 quickjustice

[Singing]: "Rule Brittania, Britannia rule the waves. Britons never never never will be slaves."

Youtube Video
766 Dustoff-507  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:15:56pm

re: #761 Killian Bundy

Real stupid, but this is Obama...

What do you expect.

767 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:16:01pm

re: #755 BlueCanuck

*pops head up* Is it safe yet? Looks like we all need a good chuckle.

You're an idiot! And ugly too.
///
How you doing Blue?

768 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:16:32pm

Deepa Fernandes was a propagandist for Castro.

Deepa Fernandes is a radio features producer who has worked in communities around the world to produce award-winning documentaries about forgotten peoples with marginalized voices. She is a freelance producer for the British Broadcasting Corporation, Australian Broadcasting Corporation, and Pacifica Radio. Fernandes has produced features ranging from the plight of women in the slums in her native India to Zapatista refugees in Chiapas, Mexico, to the newest revolution in Cuba—the veggie revolution.

Fernandes began working in radio as a daily news reporter in Sydney, Australia. From there she lived in Latin America and worked as the producer and sound engineer on a 26-part documentary series with indigenous communities in Ecuador. She eventually landed in Cuba where she worked as a daily features producer for Radio Havana Cuba.

Most recently Fernandes has been the producer of Pacifica Radio's Democracy Now! in New York. She also coproduces and hosts a weekly news magazine show on Latin America and the Caribbean called Our America's which airs on the Pacifica network around the United States.

SNIP

[Link: www.iranproject.org...]

769 jayzee  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:16:42pm

I am no fan of Beck. I find him real annoying and consistently on the verge of a psychic break. Of course, like most people, he does occasionally make sense, but I still cannot watch him. That being said, this boycott is bs in my opinion. I think the left is gunning for Beck (as the looniest of the Fox pundits) but they have their sights set on other opposition as well, check out what's going on with Whole Foods. This is just the first step. It almost makes me want to watch Beck and buy whatever I can from his advertisers. And Beck's popularity is really cause for concern as well. It is a shame crazy sells. It is a shame, when so many cogent reasons exist to criticize the president's attempt to socialize this country, that insanity is what my side is resorting to.

770 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:16:47pm

re: #757 Last Mohican

Oh, and in case you're trying to learn the lyrics, here they are.

771 Dustoff-507  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:16:56pm

re: #764 LSD

Me too...

772 Dustoff-507  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:18:09pm

re: #769 jayzee

Well, we could always listen to ... (Air America) )-:

773 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:18:51pm

re: #712 solomonpanting

No, none at all. And, as mentioned above, you don't seem to understand certain statements, as when when I said that I don't mind the updinging.
Let me be perfectly clear: I don't mind the updinging.
Now, once more, and with feewing: I don't mind the updinging.
It was the chutzpah of your response to buzzsawmonkey as though he follows and fawns over one particular poster closer than a tailgater.

Actually, the misunderstanding is all yours. I was criticised, essentially, for updinging comments I agree with. I asked if there was anything wrong with that. And you only had to answer once.

774 BigJohn  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:19:07pm

re: #769 jayzee
I watched Beck for the first time last night because Sarah Palin pointed it out. I thought it was helpful to learn of all the communists in the Obama Regime.

775 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:21:31pm

re: #758 shortshrift

First, I am the one calling Beck a Loony Libertarian Loudmouth. I am not aware of any corporation doing so.

Second, they don't owe you a paid out of their pocket explanation for how they spend their advertising dollars any more than you owe me an explanation for where you choose to spend your money.

776 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:21:48pm
777 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:21:57pm

re: #772 Dustoff-507

Well, we could always listen to ... (Air America) )-:

Or Air Supply. "I'm all out of love. I can't live without you."

778 jayzee  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:22:08pm

re: #774 BigJohn

I watched Beck for the first time last night because Sarah Palin pointed it out. I thought it was helpful to learn of all the communists in the Obama Regime.

Like I said, it is a shame he's so unhinged. He invalidates whatever validity he would otherwise have. There are ways to make a point. Most importantly, I REALLY find him annoying. I get uncomfortable watching that whole, pouty lip, innocent little school boy thing he tries to do. Really, it's friggin weird.

779 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:22:20pm

see what I mean?

780 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:22:55pm

re: #778 jayzee

Like I said, it is a shame he's so unhinged. He invalidates whatever validity he would otherwise have. There are ways to make a point. Most importantly, I REALLY find him annoying. I get uncomfortable watching that whole, pouty lip, innocent little school boy thing he tries to do. Really, it's friggin weird.

Quite Concur.

781 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:23:31pm
782 Dustoff-507  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:23:45pm

re: #777 midwestgak

WOW...

783 BigJohn  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:23:51pm

re: #778 jayzee

Yeah, I suppose his hyperbole is over the top.

784 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:24:20pm

re: #776 Grand Poobah

Self righteous and neutral? At the same time?

Did you bump your head this morning?

785 BigJohn  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:24:25pm

re: #781 Grand Poobah

It's personal.

786 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:25:06pm

re: #759 Dark_Falcon

SMACK! Stop picking on buzzsawmonkey. You've said he's wrong, drop it. That goes for you too, bsm.

Picking on buzz? Is there some rule that everyone on this site has to agree with him, even when he is being an asshole? But sure, this is getting seriously old. Time to swim upthread methinks.

787 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:25:37pm
788 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:25:48pm

re: #781 Grand Poobah

Wow, if only y'all had waited until winter to melt down simultaneously like this. I could have saved a fortune on heating bills.

789 snowcrash  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:26:18pm

re: #765 iceweasel
Rule Britania?

790 jaunte  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:27:13pm

re: #787 father_of_10

Make mine a meh, not a jones.

791 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:28:30pm

re: #765 iceweasel

Heh! Not forgetting:

Youtube Video
792 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:29:05pm
793 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:29:22pm

re: #777 midwestgak

Or Air Supply. "I'm all out of love. I can't live without you."


Out of love
Which for some reason reminds me of this

Now my ears hurt.

794 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:29:32pm

re: #787 father_of_10

You guys sure have a jones on for Beck. Interesting.

Do you mean a "Van Jones", like a pun, or a real jones, like a grossly stupid mischaracterization of the discussion taking place in this thread?

795 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:31:42pm

re: #792 Capitalistincharge

Theme song for a flounce.

796 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:32:51pm

re: #792 Capitalistincharge

So long. It was fun, right up till your last comment. Sorry you had to flounce.

797 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:33:26pm

re: #785 BigJohn

It's personal.

Actually it's probably just his way of weeding out the whacky here. If ya got a problem with it, then you don't have to be here. As Marcus said, "Don't act as if you have a hundred years to live"

798 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:34:32pm

It's a meltfest in here!

799 Hanoch  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:37:09pm

re: #697 Sharmuta

I disagree. If you do not like someone's opinions, the answer is not to bully him or his employer with the objective of preventing him from expressing his views. The proper response is to present the counter-arguments (or simply tune out). Demonizing and intimidating a person as a way to stifle argument is thuggery and it is a despicable practice, irrespective of whether it is done by the political right or left.

800 freetoken  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:37:28pm

re: #798 Charles

Well, it was pretty warm today... had to get the chocolate home before it melted.

As for the Beck fans... who knew so many were laying around?

801 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:38:55pm

Some folks love their squawking head entertainers so much, it's like religious worship for them.

The slightest bit of truthful criticism of their tv god, and they go all apocalyptic on everyone.

802 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:39:05pm

It's because Rush Limbaugh had an audio cameo on Beck yesterday defending him. They are circling the wagons.

803 freetoken  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:39:22pm

re: #799 Hanoch

Glenn Beck has a long history of taking excessive liberty with the truth, as well as venturing into shock-jock territory. It is way past time somebody tried to hold Beck accountable for what he says.

804 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:47:16pm

re: #724 jim in virginia

I'm afraid to fool around with Armywife. Armyhusband doesn't just have a gun, he has access to tanks.

"Just remember these two things: she's nineteen years old, and the 82nd Airborne works for me."

Ah. I miss West Wing.

805 Hanoch  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:51:37pm

re: #803 freetoken

Nothing wrong with holding someone accountable. It is a question of the method in which it is done.

806 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:54:41pm

re: #805 Hanoch

Nothing wrong with holding someone accountable. It is a question of the method in which it is done.

And to what standard is the person being held accountable. Colors of Change has different standards than I do.

807 Tats66  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:57:16pm

Ive noticed that there is a pretty large "anti beck" contigent here. I was just curious why? Granted I dont follow him that much, but the few times I have seen him he seems to be pretty spot on with things such as ACORN. Realizing he can be a little overboard with his theatrics. Have I missed somthing?

808 Hanoch  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:01:02pm

re: #806 Dark_Falcon

If someone says something with which you disagree, you hold them "accountable" by responding with the contrary opinion or by providing the correct facts. See my original post no. 799.

809 kiwiviv  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:01:44pm

re: #807 Tats66

Ive noticed that there is a pretty large "anti beck" contigent here. I was just curious why? Granted I dont follow him that much, but the few times I have seen him he seems to be pretty spot on with things such as ACORN. Realizing he can be a little overboard with his theatrics. Have I missed somthing?


I agree with you completely. If you listen to Beck (and I admit, I only listen a little) you will find that he has a LOT ion common with mainstream Lizards - He also has wonderful guests

810 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:01:45pm

re: #789 snowcrash

Rule Britania?

Awesome! LOVE IT! ;)

re: #791 Jimmah

Oh yeah! Can never get enough of Anarchy in the UK! Time to play anarchists again...

811 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:03:23pm

re: #799 Hanoch

I disagree. If you do not like someone's opinions, the answer is not to bully him or his employer with the objective of preventing him from expressing his views. The proper response is to present the counter-arguments (or simply tune out). Demonizing and intimidating a person as a way to stifle argument is thuggery and it is a despicable practice, irrespective of whether it is done by the political right or left.

I'm not trying to defend this particular boycott. Just the mechanisms by which the public can deal with offensive speech.

Where were the complaints of free speech intimidation when the right complained to a school scheduled to host bill ayers? Were the people bullying and intimidating him from speaking his mind, or did we have the right to say we thought it inappropriate?

Where does it end if we can't complain about offensive speech and have the offense be punishable by society?

812 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:06:08pm

re: #808 Hanoch

If someone says something with which you disagree, you hold them "accountable" by responding with the contrary opinion or by providing the correct facts. See my original post no. 799.

So you would defend Bill Ayers speaking at a public school to students? Or does the public have a right to convince the school to cancel?

813 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:08:16pm

I'm sticking with the Bill Ayers analogy from this point forward.

814 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:09:35pm

Beck steals all his good stuff off the internet, most of it is old news, and when he doesn't have anything good he makes shit up and beats the doom drum.

815 kiwiviv  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:09:38pm

re: #812 Sharmuta

So you would defend Bill Ayers speaking at a public school to students? Or does the public have a right to convince the school to cancel?

I wouldn't mind if the public school had Bill Ayers - so long as they had fair/equal/reasonable time for opposing views. The problems comes when liberals who run pretty much the entire education system ONLY expose their students to one side.

816 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:09:50pm

re: #810 iceweasel

Awesome! LOVE IT! ;)

re: #791 Jimmah

Oh yeah! Can never get enough of Anarchy in the UK! Time to play anarchists again...

Is that where you mace me and pin me to the bed again? That was HAWT!

817 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:10:43pm

re: #813 Sharmuta

I'm sticking with the Bill Ayers analogy from this point forward.

I wouldn't because they do allow Bill Ayers to speak at schools. Sometimes there's a ruckus raised, sometimes not.

818 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:10:46pm

re: #809 kiwiviv

If you listen to Beck (and I admit, I only listen a little) you will find that he has a LOT ion common with mainstream Lizards

No he doesn't. We don't support the Birch Society around here, nor are we creationists, nor do we think eugenics is coming.

819 kiwiviv  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:10:59pm

re: #814 Thanos

Beck steals all his good stuff off the internet, most of it is old news, and when he doesn't have anything good he makes shit up and beats the doom drum.

So you are saying that he does cover "good stuff?"

Many good issues come up here at LGF - even things that might have been introduced by some other site - it doesn't mean that it is unworthy of repetition

820 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:11:25pm

re: #815 kiwiviv

I wouldn't mind if the public school had Bill Ayers - so long as they had fair/equal/reasonable time for opposing views. The problems comes when liberals who run pretty much the entire education system ONLY expose their students to one side.

It wasn't a debate, it was a speech. So- does the public have the right to get the school to cancel?

821 kiwiviv  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:12:07pm

re: #818 Sharmuta

No he doesn't. We don't support the Birch Society around here, nor are we creationists, nor do we think eugenics is coming.

Ok - but I have heard many things said here at LGF that are right in line with BG

822 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:12:32pm

re: #815 kiwiviv

I wouldn't mind if the public school had Bill Ayers - so long as they had fair/equal/reasonable time for opposing views. The problems comes when liberals who run pretty much the entire education system ONLY expose their students to one side.

I disagree. I'm fine with the school inviting a leftist provided that a conservative also get a chance to speak. Bill Ayers is a special case due to his being a terrorist. Someone who tries to bring down the government and murder people is not someone who should be speaking to children.

823 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:13:13pm

what is maddening about beck is that he does do some valuable stuff. and that is why I will still sample his show on occasion. but his descent into near madness on too many occasions compromises his credibility. and while this color of change organization stinks to high heaven, beck damaged himself by calling the POTUS a racist. i think he should apologize for doing that. because it is in his interest to do it. and if I were Roger Ailes, I'd tell him that. and once he does, his advertisers may return. but he needs to be a crazy man in some respects because it is just who he is.

824 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:13:26pm

re: #818 Sharmuta

No he doesn't. We don't support the Birch Society around here, nor are we creationists, nor do we think eugenics is coming.

Fuckin' A, baby! Beck is a libertarian kook, and doesn't have shit in common with "mainstream" Lizards.

825 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:13:37pm

re: #817 Thanos

I wouldn't because they do allow Bill Ayers to speak at schools. Sometimes there's a ruckus raised, sometimes not.

That's not the point. If people organize a "ruckus" over Bill Ayers, then they are guilty of the same thing some people on this thread are saying color of change is doing.

I don't subscribe to this theory.

826 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:13:49pm

re: #819 kiwiviv

So you are saying that he does cover "good stuff?"

Many good issues come up here at LGF - even things that might have been introduced by some other site - it doesn't mean that it is unworthy of repetition

Yes, but to report the good stuff and make it have impact you have to have some credibility. He's right up there with Bozo and Alex Jones on credibility. So he can report all the good stuff he wants, in the end he just saps from the good arguments we could make.

"Says who? You and GLEN BECK?" ... Is the rejoinder we will get when we raise anything he has "covered".

827 kiwiviv  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:14:07pm

re: #820 Sharmuta

It wasn't a debate, it was a speech. So- does the public have the right to get the school to cancel?

I think the school should have the right to have whomever they want to give speeches - so long as those speeches don't call for the hurt or destruction of individuals or groups. In saying that, I believe that schools should be held to a higher standard of making sure that people of many persuasions get invited to give equal time speeches

828 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:17:54pm

re: #827 kiwiviv

Nonsense! There actually are points of view that children in public schools shouldn't be subject to, and I think the public has not only the right, but the duty to tell the schools when they're out of their minds to invite someone like Bill Ayers to the school to speak to kids!

829 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:18:44pm

re: #826 Thanos

Yes, but to report the good stuff and make it have impact you have to have some credibility. He's right up there with Bozo and Alex Jones on credibility. So he can report all the good stuff he wants, in the end he just saps from the good arguments we could make.

"Says who? You and GLEN BECK?" ... Is the rejoinder we will get when we raise anything he has "covered".

Quite Concur.

830 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:19:44pm

re: #823 _RememberTonyC

what is maddening about beck is that he does do some valuable stuff. and that is why I will still sample his show on occasion. but his descent into near madness on too many occasions compromises his credibility. and while this color of change organization stinks to high heaven, beck damaged himself by calling the POTUS a racist. i think he should apologize for doing that. because it is in his interest to do it. and if I were Roger Ailes, I'd tell him that. and once he does, his advertisers may return. but he needs to be a crazy man in some respects because it is just who he is.

Credibility matters.

831 kiwiviv  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:19:46pm

re: #822 Dark_Falcon

I disagree. I'm fine with the school inviting a leftist provided that a conservative also get a chance to speak. Bill Ayers is a special case due to his being a terrorist. Someone who tries to bring down the government and murder people is not someone who should be speaking to children.

I understand that point. While I do believe that people of all opinions should be allowed to speak at schools, I am with you on excluding those who have committed terrorist acts - or those who believe in/advocate terrorism in any form.

832 Hanoch  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:20:08pm

re: #812 Sharmuta

You could also cite the example of Columbia U. giving a platform to that Iranian loon. It is definitely true that there are some thorny cases out there. I don't think this is one of them however.
There are so many media outlets which allow people to counter Beck's point. Moreover, if he is as outrageous as some people claim, people can always tune him out. It makes me uneasy when a vocal minority shun discourse and opt instead to waive the flag of political correctness to force others to say or think the "right" things.

833 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:20:15pm

re: #816 Jimmah

Is that where you mace me and pin me to the bed again? That was HAWT!

I'll get the black clothing out! :)

Tomorrow night we'll play America and the Patriot Act. That's where I lie prone and trembling while you methodically violate my civil liberties one by one-- and I beg for more.

Or you can be America. I'm flexible!

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834 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:22:18pm

re: #827 kiwiviv

In saying that, I believe that schools should be held to a higher standard of making sure that people of many persuasions get invited to give equal time speeches

Sort of like an Equality Regulation? Mmm... sounds to racially motivated. I know, how about "Doctrine of Fairness"... no wait, I got it...

"The Fairness Doctrine"... Perfect!
/

835 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:24:34pm

re: #283 Son of the Black Dog

IIRC, Bill Clinton tried to blame talk radio in general and Rush Limbaugh in particular for the Oklahoma City bombing. I don't recall any connection between Timothy McVeigh and talk radio, though.

Then you weren't paying attention.

836 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:24:42pm

re: #833 iceweasel

I'll get the black clothing out! :)

Tomorrow night we'll play America and the Patriot Act. That's where I lie prone and trembling while you methodically violate my civil liberties one by one-- and I beg for more.

Or you can be America. I'm flexible!


I'm very flexible too, iceweasel. I think we should take turns. :)

837 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:24:45pm

re: #773 Jimmah

Actually, the misunderstanding is all yours. I was criticised, essentially, for updinging comments I agree with. I asked if there was anything wrong with that. And you only had to answer once.

I don't care if you were criticzed for using the wrong toothpaste. You made a smarmy remark about buzz brownnosing another poster in order to upding and all I did was place the shoe on the correct foot.

838 airforcemom  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:24:59pm

You all need to get over your Beck hate.

839 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:25:38pm

re: #832 Hanoch

Ah- but you're moving the goalpost on me. If we tie our hands we only limit ourselves when the speech truly is offensive as to how we can counter it. This isn't so clean cut as to think we can make the situation some kind of debate where we can counter the points made by the offender.

The Columbia U example is also great- would you object to a group that contacted alums to stop sending the school money as a protest to that speech? Why shouldn't the school face consequences for their decision?

840 kiwiviv  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:25:40pm

re: #834 Slumbering Behemoth

Sort of like an Equality Regulation? Mmm... sounds to racially motivated. I know, how about "Doctrine of Fairness"... no wait, I got it...

"The Fairness Doctrine"... Perfect!
/

NO - Not the Fairness Doctrine - It is possible to be reasonable without regulation. Regulation is the LAST thing we need here.

841 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:27:06pm

re: #838 airforcemom

You all need to get over your Beck hate.

Who is "you all", and where is the "Beck hate".

Cite some examples, link to some posts, or admit that you don't know what you are talking about.

842 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:27:49pm

re: #838 airforcemom

You all need to get over your Beck hate.

I hope you're not holding your breath.

843 Lee Coller  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:28:43pm

re: #838 airforcemom

You all need to get over your Beck hate.

You need to open your eyes.

844 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:28:44pm

re: #822 Dark_Falcon

I disagree. I'm fine with the school inviting a leftist provided that a conservative also get a chance to speak. Bill Ayers is a special case due to his being a terrorist. Someone who tries to bring down the government and murder people is not someone who should be speaking to children.

Bill Ayers is a special case for many reasons. He should have gone to jail. Even the old left despises him for ruining the legitimate anti-war movement against Vietnam.

I'm not so sure that terrorism necessarily involves intentional attacks on people, but okay, let's say Ayers wasn't a terrorist. How about thuggish? Vainglorious? Egomaniacal? Staggeringly irresponsible?

(snip)

I wish Ayers would make a real apology for the harm he did to the antiwar movement and the left. Not another "regrets, I've had a few," "we were all young once," "don't forget there was a war on" exercise in self-promotion, but one that showed he actually gets it. I'd like him to say he's sorry for his part in the destruction of Students for a Democratic Society. He's sorry he helped Nixon make the antiwar movement look like the enemy of ordinary people. He's sorry for his more-radical-than-thou posturing, and the climate of apocalyptic nuttiness he helped fuel to disastrous results, of which the fatal Brinks robbery, committed by erstwhile comrades who became even crazier than Ayers' crew, was only the most notorious.

845 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:28:47pm

re: #838 airforcemom

And you need to show some respect, Mrs. "Spews insults with her second ever comment".

846 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:29:04pm

re: #840 kiwiviv

I understand, and certainly agree. I was just having a bit of fun with you. Just a little sarcasm for levity.

847 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:29:44pm

see what I mean

848 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:29:47pm

re: #830 Sharmuta

Credibility matters.

Of course it does. And that is why I wish Beck would try and restore his own credibility. Because every time he exposes another ACORN outrage, even if he is right, he will not be taken seriously precisely because he has pissed his credibility away with his other BS. And associations ALSO matter. And he gets an "F" in that category too.

849 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:30:05pm

re: #837 solomonpanting

I don't care if you were criticzed for using the wrong toothpaste. You made a smarmy remark about buzz brownnosing another poster in order to upding and all I did was place the shoe on the correct foot.

No I didn't - you misread. Now, if you would be so kind, please just...

Youtube Video
850 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:31:18pm

re: #838 airforcemom

Who hates glen beck? We just have an aversion to scary clowns.

851 kiwiviv  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:31:28pm

re: #846 Slumbering Behemoth

I understand, and certainly agree. I was just having a bit of fun with you. Just a little sarcasm for levity.

Thanks mate! I'm not a quick as some folks around here - so I don't talk much

852 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:32:39pm

re: #836 Jimmah

I'm very flexible too, iceweasel. I think we should take turns. :)

It's the right-- or rather, left -- thing to do!

From each according to his abilities, to each according to her needs. And vice versa, Comrade! :)

853 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:33:21pm

re: #847 solomonpanting

see what I mean

No. What do you mean? Wave it around a little, maybe I can see it better.

854 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:33:34pm

c wuh ah mean?

855 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:34:40pm

re: #838 airforcemom

Didn't airforcemom get banned very recently? Or someone with an extremely similar nic?

856 centaur  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:34:47pm

Thanks for that King Crimson jam, Racer X.

here's another take.

857 Lee Coller  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:35:50pm

I count four meltdowns and one timeout on this thread.

858 Hanoch  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:36:29pm

re: #839 Sharmuta

It is very difficult to talk about different cases because each involves different facts. For example, the Ayres case might involve young school children and/or a captive audience with no desire to hear him (I don't know the facts of that case). The Columbia U. speech involved an advocate of genocide.

I am simply saying that in this case -- i.e., the Beck "racist" comment -- a boycott strikes me as inappropriate when no one is forced to listen to Beck and there are so many opportunities to respond to his comments. I would come down the same way regarding the kooks on the NY Times editorial board who certainly have made more than their fair share of outrageous statements.

859 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:36:33pm

I'm sure Dan Rather was right about a lot of things too. Doesn't seem to be working out for him so well now.

Beck indulges himself, he may well have his Rathergate moment yet.

860 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:36:35pm

re: #852 iceweasel

It's the right-- or rather, left -- thing to do!

From each according to his abilities, to each according to her needs. And vice versa, Comrade! :)

As you wish my dear tovarisch :)

я сошла с ума

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861 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:36:55pm

re: #855 Last Mohican

I was just thinking the same thing.

862 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:39:02pm

Yeah, it's all coming back to me.

Remember that brand-new lizard who, with her first few comments, berated us for talking about stupid inconsequential things instead of serious geopolitical problems? Then she apologized, saying she was new around here and didn't mean to offend anyone.

And then she showed up and did the same thing two or three more times. It was weird. It was sort of a weird, complex low-intensity trolling maneuver.

I could have sworn that was airforcemom.

863 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:40:22pm

re: #858 Hanoch

But you're focusing on particulars, when I'm talking about a process. We can't shun the offensive and/or inappropriate if we can't move against it. What I see people arguing is against being able to move against it in general. I disagree- I think we have a duty to move against the offense-able and make it clear we won't tolerate the intolerable. Whether this applies to beck is irrelevant for me- it's the process I'm defending.

864 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:40:52pm

re: #858 Hanoch

Boycotts seldom work. Some advertisers will leave, some will take their place, and others will simply stay.

And as long as Beck gets the ratings, he will continue to have the privilege of babbling, blathering, blubbering and exaggerating on the FNC.

865 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:41:22pm

re: #862 Last Mohican

I think it was air force vet wife?

866 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:41:38pm

Everyone -

Might "Color of Change" be exaggerating just a bit? Just wondering?

-S-

867 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:42:03pm

re: #857 Lee Coller

I count four meltdowns and one timeout on this thread.

Who got the timeout?

868 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:42:18pm

re: #157 quickjustice

Boycotts have no resonance if the target isn't vulnerable. Sponsors always calculate whether they want their name/image associated with a particular show. If you're in business, do you want to offend everyone who supports Obama, or at least doesn't like hearing the President called a "racist"?

Beck brought this on himself. If he redeems himself, he'll recover.

As for Whole Foods, I think that the publicity attendant upon that boycott will bring them even more business.

I'm just guessing that'll never happen...

869 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:42:27pm

re: #865 Sharmuta

I think it was air force vet wife?

Ah, yes, that sounds about right. I wonder if there's any relation.

870 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:42:42pm

re: #867 Dark_Falcon

Who got the timeout?

I was thinking maybe it doesn't matter.

871 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:42:49pm

re: #866 Dr. Shalit

Everyone -

Might "Color of Change" be exaggerating just a bit? Just wondering?

-S-

You bet they are. They're trying to claim more credit than they are due. Sort of like Glen Beck in that way.

872 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:45:36pm

re: #871 Dark_Falcon

You bet they are. They're trying to claim more credit than they are due. Sort of like Glen Beck in that way.

Dark_Falcon -

Not Just Like Glenn Beck, like the "Rainbow (Shakedown) Coalition" as well.
I said "IT" and am proud I did. That is all.

-S-

873 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:45:53pm

What happened in this thread? I left for a couple hours and now there are 3 ex-Lizards? Hope I didn't feed them into melting?

874 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:48:39pm

re: #873 unrealizedviewpoint

They came as guests to a party, and insulted the host in his own house. I highly doubt it had anything to do with you.

875 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:49:42pm

re: #873 unrealizedviewpoint

What happened in this thread? I left for a couple hours and now there are 3 ex-Lizards? Hope I didn't feed them into melting?

You did nothing wrong. They flounced out of their own free will. Though father-of-10 and capitalistincharge were both valued if occasional commentators. They will be missed.

876 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:52:01pm

re: #874 Slumbering Behemoth

They came as guests to a party, and insulted the host in his own house. I highly doubt it had anything to do with you.

I waz thinking maybe my defending Beck earlier may have had some impact on folks freely expressing themselves. Unlike some smarter than I, I have a sense where the line is.

877 Lee Coller  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:52:03pm

re: #867 Dark_Falcon

Who got the timeout?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

878 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:52:15pm

re: #875 Dark_Falcon

DF- I will not personally miss people who are asses to our host.

879 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:54:29pm

re: #872 Dr. Shalit

Reply to Self -

"Revise/Extend" - "Sensitivity" - was going to be trained by Toyota and seeing that every appliance and calculator had a "U.S." Nameplate on it in their Northern NJ Office - G.E. - Not Panasonic, Sanyo or Sharp - Texas Instrument, Not Sharp, Casio or Canon.
For the "Shakedown Coalition" - It's Play for Pay - as to the trademark that appears.

-S-

880 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:57:30pm

re: #878 Sharmuta

DF- I will not personally miss people who are asses to our host.

I'm not certain folks have an understanding they are guests of CJ. There is this free-for-all sense that the Internet is everyone's, many not realizing this is in fact 'Private Property.' Maybe 'POSTED' signage would be helpful?
:)

881 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:58:58pm

re: #877 Lee Coller

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I never saw a TimeOut. Wow!
I'm sure glad it's only a timeout. LGoPs is cool folk.

882 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:59:33pm

re: #511 impostinat0r

I don't watch Glenn Beck because I find him ti much of a Drama Queen. that is not the point. Here we have an operative from the White house on a campaign to stifle political speech. These 40+ companies are being used to this end. People from all parties who believe in a free exchange of ideas have an obligation to not patronize these 40 Businesses.

Boycott the whole list

Good luck with that...you wouldn't be doing much of anything if you do boycott the boycotters.

883 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:00:23pm

re: #880 unrealizedviewpoint

unrealizedviewpoint -

The "WEB" IS FREE. Blogs are Private Property - and that's the way it is.

-S-

884 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:03:28pm

I seriously cannot wait for the next speech given by someone the lizards can't stand. I will tell all of the people whining about this beck boycott they can't complain or organize against it because they will be thugs ruining the political discourse by their own definition.

All of you who wrote the school about Bill Ayers should be ashamed of yourselves- at least, that is what the anti-beck-boycotters would have you believe.

885 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:06:03pm

re: #881 unrealizedviewpoint

I never saw a TimeOut. Wow!
I'm sure glad it's only a timeout. LGoPs is cool folk.

As am I. I'm glad we didn't lose him. That would have hurt.

886 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:06:25pm

re: #884 Sharmuta

I seriously cannot wait for the next speech given by someone the lizards can't stand. I will tell all of the people whining about this beck boycott they can't complain or organize against it because they will be thugs ruining the political discourse by their own definition.

All of you who wrote the school about Bill Ayers should be ashamed of yourselves- at least, that is what the anti-beck-boycotters would have you believe.

Quite Concur.

887 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:06:34pm

So here's what I'm thinking. If lizards are issued a timeout for excessive bickering, I think that's supposed to be a signal that they're basically good people and upstanding members of the Lizard community, but they just got hung up on arguing about something that the rest of us didn't really care about anymore. So they're supposed to step back to their respective corners for a while, and stop fuming about whatever had gotten them so riled up.

In that situation, I think we should all just let whatever the issue was blow over. And the last thing we want to do is start asking about who got a timeout, and what they posted, and who else was involved, etc. Why not just let the whole thing go.

888 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:13:31pm

OK Everyone -

"THE BECK" - is a product of Free Market, for the most part. No Sponsors, No Beck. I believe we all can agree on that. "The IMUS" was thrown off the air for about a Year for saying something STUPID.

HE is Now Back, as strong as ever.

Bet the same thing would happen to Beck, Beck is talented and draws viewers. In TV - to Paraphrase Coach Lombardi - Ratings - ARE THE ONLY THING.

-s-

889 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:15:02pm

From what I can see LGoPs got somewhat harsh with some folks from the left side of the aisle. Iceweasel slammed him. Yikes!
Is LGoPs suspension paid or unpaid?

890 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:15:24pm

re: #876 unrealizedviewpoint

I don't read every post, but I don't think I've ever seen you being disrespectful towards our host in your defense of Beck.

891 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:17:14pm

re: #887 Last Mohican

So here's what I'm thinking. If lizards are issued a timeout for excessive bickering, I think that's supposed to be a signal that they're basically good people and upstanding members of the Lizard community, but they just got hung up on arguing about something that the rest of us didn't really care about anymore. So they're supposed to step back to their respective corners for a while, and stop fuming about whatever had gotten them so riled up.

In that situation, I think we should all just let whatever the issue was blow over. And the last thing we want to do is start asking about who got a timeout, and what they posted, and who else was involved, etc. Why not just let the whole thing go.

Fair enough.

892 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:18:05pm

re: #889 unrealizedviewpoint

From what I can see LGoPs got somewhat harsh with some folks from the left side of the aisle. Iceweasel slammed him. Yikes!
Is LGoPs suspension paid or unpaid?

unpaid, since none of us are getting paid here anyway. ;)

893 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:21:25pm

re: #884 Sharmuta

Don't forget to mention repression, the suppression of free speech, and violations of First Amendment Rights.

/I noe haz tv squawk sho, I noe haz raydeeo squawk sho, I noe haz buk publushing contracz...
///OMG! I noe haz Freedumb of Speak... Iz ben silensed!

894 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:21:49pm

re: #892 Dark_Falcon

unpaid, since none of us are getting paid here anyway. ;)

My checks are still arriving & clearing. Maybe you need to update your address at registration.

895 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:24:41pm

re: #894 unrealizedviewpoint

My checks are still arriving & clearing. Maybe you need to update your address at registration.

[smiles]

896 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:25:24pm

re: #894 unrealizedviewpoint

My checks are still arriving & clearing. Maybe you need to update your address at registration.

unrealizedviewpoint -

Unfortunately, all the checks are denominated in "Quatloos" ad are written on the first National Bank of GoodYear.

-S-

897 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:32:18pm

re: #893 Slumbering Behemoth

I totally understand why folks are nervous about this- I'm not defending this boycott at all. But this, to me, is similar to other processes we support and defend- like the right to a defense in a trial.

Could you imagine if someone had turned up on that bill ayers thread and told the Lizards they couldn't complain to the school because they would be thugs harming the political discourse in this country? A comment like that on that old thread might have topped AnneFrance's all-time dingdown total.

Again- I understand the concern over this, but the standard is not being applied equally, nor do I think they're considering the systemic process by which the public regulates political discourse (free of government involvement).

898 freetoken  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:37:19pm

re: #862 Last Mohican

I thought it was "airforcewife", no?

sockpuppet?

899 navycopjoe  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:39:11pm

Please help me out here but seriously, why is there all the Beck Hatred?
Some of these comments lately have been even more foul than what you would find made by the Koskids!
The man is pointing stuff out about what is going on in Washington. If you don't like him, cool, change the channel, but this little bickering is kind of pathetic.
And this helps the conservative cause how?

900 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:44:17pm

re: #899 navycopjoe

And this helps the conservative cause how?

By separating the conservatives from kooky libertarian posers.

901 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:44:21pm

re: #899 navycopjoe

Please help me out here but seriously, why is there all the Beck Hatred?
Some of these comments lately have been even more foul than what you would find made by the Koskids!

Point to the hatred, link to the comments, or admit you are full of it?

And this helps the conservative cause how?

Beck is not a conservative, he does not support the conservative cause. Beck is a libertarian, he supports a libertarian cause.

Further, Birchers suck. People who promote Birchers suck. Beck promotes Birchers. Ipso facto, Beck sucks.

902 freetoken  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:45:36pm

re: #899 navycopjoe

Beck has earned it over the years.

E.g., his off the cuff remark (a few years back) about the fires here in SoCal and how we deserved it.

His overt lies about American history.

etc., etc., etc...

903 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:47:34pm

re: #900 Sharmuta

Short, sweet, and to the point. The same can be said for your comment as well. ;)

904 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:54:25pm

re: #222 midwestgak

It wasn't against St. Francis. I must have misunderstood your reason for quoting a prayer - Zoe being an animal and all. That's all that was. Thanks for asking me to explain.

btw - I'm not a dude. Dude. :)

OK, no big ting. I've never med a Gak before, so I had no clue as to dudeness or gality. Duly noted!

905 Optimizer  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:00:10pm

Beck may be over-the-top these days, but it's really not a good thing that a racist organization like ColorOfChange can bully someone by calling them racist. It shows how perverse the movement against racism has become.

As far as what Beck said ... well, it's really wouldn't be that much of a stretch to say that about ANYBODY who could sit and listen to Rev. Wright for years. Beck has said plenty of outrageous things, but that ain't one of them.

906 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:06:46pm

Karma: -3

navycopjoe

(Logged in)
Registered since: Dec 15, 2007 at 6:18 pm
No. of comments posted: 1
No. of links posted: 0

Nice first comment. I smell new socks.

907 Optimizer  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:08:07pm

re: #900 Sharmuta

By separating the conservatives from kooky libertarian posers.

You guys talk like this is a conservative blog, and that being pushing the conservative cause is the ultimate virtue. Well, it's not, last I heard, and doesn't try to be. Someone who was 100% aligned with conservatives would go crazy in here. Our host clearly thinks for himself, and neither he nor most of the Lizards align themselves with any single political philosophy, as best I can tell.

908 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:11:30pm

re: #907 Optimizer

Not to butt in, but I am. Sharmuta was responding to what seemed to be the oft repeated canard that Beck is a conservative.

909 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:13:15pm

re: #907 Optimizer

Someone who was 100% aligned with conservatives would go crazy in here.

I agree- Barry Goldwater would go crazy here, but probably not for the reasons you think.

910 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:16:13pm

re: #906 Dark_Falcon

Karma: -3

navycopjoe

(Logged in)
Registered since: Dec 15, 2007 at 6:18 pm
No. of comments posted: 1
No. of links posted: 0

Nice first comment. I smell new socks.

Well, a newly opened pack of socks, anyway. Purchased in 2007!

911 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:18:43pm

re: #898 freetoken

I thought it was "airforcewife", no?

sockpuppet?

Yeah, that was it, airforcewife. I just checked, and that's the name of a blocked user.

912 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:19:16pm

re: #911 Last Mohican

Yeah, that was it, airforcewife. I just checked, and that's the name of a blocked user.

There was another with "vet" worked in though.

913 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:20:06pm

AFVetWife

914 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:22:00pm

re: #910 Last Mohican

Well, a newly opened pack of socks, anyway. Purchased in 2007!

Correct, and thank you.

915 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:33:37pm

re: #909 Sharmuta

"You call yourself a conservative?! You think that theocratic, conspiracy mongering, brain-dead bilge you keep spewing even comes close to resembling conservative principles?! YOU ARE PATHETIC!! A GAWT-DAMNED DISGRACE TO ALL INTELLIGENT CONSERVATIVES EVERYWHERE!!

THE BEST PART OF YOU ROLLED DOWN THE CRACK OF YOUR MOMMA'S ASS AND BECAME A SHEET-STAIN! YOU COULDN'T REASON YOUR WAY OUT OF A WET PAPER BAG!

IF YOU COME ON HERE SPOUTING THAT GARBAGE AGAIN, THAT PISS POOR EXCUSE FOR LOGIC, I WILL PERSONALLY TEAR OUT YOUR EYEBALLS AND SKULL-FUCK YOU"!!!

At least that's how I imagine it happening. Then again, I think I might be confusing B. Goldwater with R. L. Ermey.

916 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:38:55pm

re: #915 Slumbering Behemoth

Buckley and I bust our asses to kick the Birchers to the curb and tell the Bible thumpers to take it back to church and THIS is how you repay us?!!

917 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:48:27pm

re: #915 Slumbering Behemoth

"You call yourself a conservative?! You think that theocratic, conspiracy mongering, brain-dead bilge you keep spewing even comes close to resembling conservative principles?! YOU ARE PATHETIC!! A GAWT-DAMNED DISGRACE TO ALL INTELLIGENT CONSERVATIVES EVERYWHERE!!

THE BEST PART OF YOU ROLLED DOWN THE CRACK OF YOUR MOMMA'S ASS AND BECAME A SHEET-STAIN! YOU COULDN'T REASON YOUR WAY OUT OF A WET PAPER BAG!

IF YOU COME ON HERE SPOUTING THAT GARBAGE AGAIN, THAT PISS POOR EXCUSE FOR LOGIC, I WILL PERSONALLY TEAR OUT YOUR EYEBALLS AND SKULL-FUCK YOU"!!!

At least that's how I imagine it happening. Then again, I think I might be confusing B. Goldwater with R. L. Ermey.

"Is that you, John Wayne?"

/Mathew Modine, sotto voche

918 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:54:07pm

re: #917 Dark_Falcon

"Who said that!? WHO THE FUCK SAID THAT!?! Who's the slimy little, communist-shit, twinkle toes, cocksucker down here who just signed his OWN FUCKING DEATH WARRANT"!!!

919 abu_garcia  Fri, Aug 28, 2009 4:22:59am

send not to find for whom the bell tolls,
it tolls for thee.

920 marge45b  Fri, Aug 28, 2009 6:47:41am

I must confess I watched Beck yesterday for the first time. He had Michelle Malkin and Pat Candell on. I think Beck is on to something that Rush had said Tuesday that Obama is not a socialist but a fascist. Beck talked about the Obama Youth group and the Civilian Military/Americore group. Are they like the "Brown Shirts" of Nazi Germany? ( And why do we need a Civilian Military?) The first things Hitler and the Nazi's did was to nationalize there Health Care. We got to keep our eyes open. I'll have to watch today as Rush will be on.

921 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Aug 28, 2009 7:58:32am

Beck must be doing something right. He has very high ratings, and a sponsor boycott going at the same time. That's show biz!

922 Emmett Flatus  Fri, Aug 28, 2009 8:39:23am

With Beck's viewer numbers through the roof, cutting off nose to spite face comes to mind.

923 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 28, 2009 9:04:02am

re: #920 marge45b

Anyone who would call this "fascism" doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.

924 Lee Coller  Fri, Aug 28, 2009 9:20:37am

re: #920 marge45b

You forgot the FEMA concentration camps. Give me a break, you've illustrated the very issue with Beck and his ilk. Do you honestly think any of that could actually happen here in the US?

925 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 28, 2009 10:28:37am
926 Lee Coller  Fri, Aug 28, 2009 10:33:45am

re: #925 NoPanacea

Another "big-time LGF contributor" bites the dust. Don't let the mouse hit you in the but on the way out.

927 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 28, 2009 10:38:24am

re: #925 NoPanacea

Bye now! Sorry, though - you don't get to leave a long, dramatic flounce-off comment.

928 AZDave  Fri, Aug 28, 2009 11:52:39am

re: #14 Last Mohican

There definitely is something to some of his message. He should go away and let someone else say that part.

Why should he go away? No one else seems to have the balls to say it. What Beck says may or may not be true. I don't really know. But considering the goings on in Washington, I wouldn't doubt that much of it is true.

929 AZDave  Fri, Aug 28, 2009 12:04:58pm

re: #88 Ben Hur

I've said it before, for me, it;s the WAY he does it.

It could very well be his method of getting everyone's attention. If so, he's succeeded very well.

930 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 28, 2009 2:21:07pm
931 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 28, 2009 2:41:12pm
932 lurking faith  Fri, Aug 28, 2009 2:48:48pm

re: #930 shandalus

re: #931 happypappy11

You know what? I am really @#$^$*% sick of short-term, non-commenting "members" who show up and bitch and moan about how much LGF has "changed" recently.

You clearly don't know jack about what LGF has been like in the long run.

933 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 28, 2009 2:49:31pm

It's a flounce fest in here.

934 jaunte  Fri, Aug 28, 2009 6:20:30pm

Visits always give pleasure; if not the arrival, the departure.

935 Ramona  Fri, Aug 28, 2009 11:21:42pm

Since I cannot stomach watching Beck - how will I know who's ads have been pulled? whose ads have not been pulled? Is this what is called an conundrum? The man is slipping faster and faster down that slope . . .
How many can still manage to watch that painful display?

936 flexorick  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 7:55:24am

In all the words here I don’t see anything that refutes what Beck is saying.
Unless of course you don’t think “The One” is a racist. I for one do.
He is a lot worse then that, he’s a fascist of the Cuban Venezuelan variety.
What exactly has Beck done or said that is untrue?
All I see here is what I see when a Lib does not like what he is hearing.

Not that your doing anything to stop them but you all better hope the AW’s at COC don’t succeed because one day your next!

Now what kind of name calling I am gonna get

937 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 8:50:31am

re: #936 flexorick

Now what kind of name calling I am gonna get

I doubt you'll get as many downdings on your second comment as you did on your first.

938 scullymj  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 9:30:54am

Glenn Beck is more spot on than many want to believe but it's more comforting to stick you head in the sand. In the end, Beck has great ratings and advertisers are still capitalists. Coors did fine with years of boycotts and so will Beck. Oh and by the way, I do think BHO is a racist. A perfunctory read of his "ghost written" Dreams book will bear that out.

939 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 10:10:34am

re: #938 scullymj

Glenn Beck is more spot on than many want to believe but it's more comforting to stick you head in the sand. In the end, Beck has great ratings and advertisers are still capitalists. Coors did fine with years of boycotts and so will Beck. Oh and by the way, I do think BHO is a racist. A perfunctory read of his "ghost written" Dreams book will bear that out.

Sure, if you ignore the End Times stuff, the support for Ron Paul and the John Birch Society, the weird psycho weeping, and the sneaky little shout-outs to militias and far right kooks, he's just wonderful.

Please quote the section of Obama's book that proves he's a racist. I doubt you've even read it. And the idea that it was "ghost written" shows exactly why you're a Glenn Beck fan -- because you'll swallow any conspiracy theory.

940 Kevlaur  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 10:14:12am

This incessant harping on Beck puts this site in danger of becoming the caricature it so stridently accuses Beck of being.
He is too emotional? He pointed out that Germany had gov't sponsored healthcare before Hitler took over? He believe O is a racist? Palin supports him?
He makes the left crazy... reason enough for me to support him.

941 Gabbygram  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 1:34:19pm

I haven't been on Little Green Footballs for awhile, and I can see if has changed.

The language has gone down to the gutter. Name calling and cursing. What a disappointment.

Anyway. I am going to throw a wrench into the engine.
I like Glenn Beck and I think he is pointing to the truth. He is bringing some of the dirt buried into the light regarding Acorn and other money grabbing entities in the Government.
I guess he is scaring a lot of people because this war would not be waged against him unless he is hitting the Nerve and the Truth.
So, call the names you want, Glen Beck is still correct.
Now you can go into a tirade against me for stating my opinion, the same way people are trying for force Glen Beck off the air. It is funny if you don't agree with a Porn program, people tell you if you don't want to watch Porn, change the channel, But, if a Man stands up with evidence to back him up and speaks the truth, He is driven off the air.
At any rate we don't have to worry, because soon the idiots will try to hand Obama the keys to the Internet and anyone on the internet that doesn't agree will be taken care of.

Just What kind of America do you want to live in???

942 KernelPanic  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 3:28:23pm

re: #941 Gabbygram

Whatever tiny nuggets of "truth" Beck is putting out are completely overwhelmed and buried by the massive flood of outright crazy conspiracy theories, end-times stuff, lies, distortions and outright flip-flops in what he says from day to day.

It's clown theater - nothing more.

Beck is pandering to the lunatic fringe and generally doing massive damage to conservatives who are actually interested in winning elections and actually making real change at a national level.

943 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 3:30:56pm

re: #940 Kevlaur


He makes the left crazy... reason enough for me to support him.

That is a poor basis for a political party, or supporting a person. You might as well concede that the GOP is now officially the party of no ideas-- except the idea "we hate liberals and want to make them angry!".

If emulating a two-year old throwing a tantrum is your idea of a winning political philosophy, you deserve to be out of power. And you will be, for a long, long time.

944 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 3:46:13pm

re: #941 Gabbygram

I haven't been on Little Green Footballs for awhile, and I can see if has changed.
The language has gone down to the gutter. Name calling and cursing. What a disappointment.

(snip)
I guess he is scaring a lot of people because this war would not be waged against him unless he is hitting the Nerve and the Truth.
So, call the names you want, Glen Beck is still correct.

(snip)

At any rate we don't have to worry, because soon the idiots will try to hand Obama the keys to the Internet and anyone on the internet that doesn't agree will be taken care of.

Just What kind of America do you want to live in???

I want to live in the kind of America where people don't believe lunatic conspiracy theories about Obama taking control of the internet.

I want to live in the kind of America where people don't think Glen Beck is anything more than a paranoid conspiracy monger who babbles about FEMA re-education camps and whatever Endtimes bullshit pops into his crazyhead that day.

I want to live in the kind of America where people value truth and plain speech over prissy decorum and pearlclutching calls for 'civility'. Where we don't have a sanctimonious fit when someone publicly calls bullshit what it is: bullshit.

I want to live in the kind of America where people don't make horrible arguments like: "If people are objecting, that must be because it's TRUE!"

Lastly, I want to live in the kind of America that doesn't fall for poisonous, destructive, paranoid political rhetoric -- and where people don't call me 'unamerican' when they don't share my political views.

Any questions?

945 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 3:51:30pm

re: #941 Gabbygram

The language has gone down to the gutter. Name calling and cursing. What a disappointment.

Anyone who could say this has not read this blog for very long or lacks complete comprehension skills. The archives are full of plenty of former commenters whose language was quite profane, and they took great pride in it (rayra, anyone?). In fact- for those of us who have read this blog for many years, this comment (and others like them) really show how much other people are being quite disingenuous in these lame criticisms.

946 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 4:07:56pm

re: #945 Sharmuta

Anyone who could say this has not read this blog for very long or lacks complete comprehension skills. The archives are full of plenty of former commenters whose language was quite profane, and they took great pride in it (rayra, anyone?). In fact- for those of us who have read this blog for many years, this comment (and others like them) really show how much other people are being quite disingenuous in these lame criticisms.

Absolutely, Sharm. Not only does this person appear to be unfamiliar with LGF itself, they're clearly unfamiliar with the political blogosphere as a whole-- where the language is much, much, much more profane than it is here. Especially on the left.
LGF seems to be less profane than in former years, if anything-- and I can certainly attest that it's actually one of the most civil political places on the net, in terms of the language issue. This person doesn't know what she's talking about.
And as I mentioned, I think the fainting fits over language are bullshit anyway. ;)

947 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 4:10:06pm

re: #946 iceweasel

You used a swear! Pass me my smelling salts! ;)

948 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 4:15:00pm

re: #947 Sharmuta

You used a swear! Pass me my smelling salts! ;)

That dang filthy liberal potty-mouth of mine again...we need to get some fucking civility in here!

949 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 4:32:49pm

re: #948 iceweasel

Never mind the fear mongering. Someone, somewhere used a dirty word on the internet!

950 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 4:46:25pm

re: #941 Gabbygram

It is funny if you don't agree with a Porn program, people tell you if you don't want to watch Porn, change the channel, But, if a Man stands up with evidence to back him up and speaks the truth, He is driven off the air.

There is a difference, allow me to explain it.

The people who complain about porn on television (and let's be honest, there simply is no such thing as pornography on regular television in America, there just isn't) demand that shows be taken off the air.

People here who justifiably criticize Beck's hysteria are demanding nothing, and are doing nothing to drive Beck off the air. It is simply discussion, debate, and criticism.

Also, much of what Beck speaks is more properly defined as "troof", not truth.

951 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 4:47:18pm

re: #949 Sharmuta

Never mind the fear mongering. Someone, somewhere used a dirty word on the internet!

When that crazy Kenyan seekrit Muslim socialist takes over our Internets, all our vowels will be sent to FEMA camps! We'll be dsmvwlld! Wht wll w d thn?

I know it's true because I heard it on the Glnn Bck shw!

952 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 4:51:04pm

re: #951 iceweasel

L-L-L!

953 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 4:53:55pm

re: #952 Sharmuta

L-L-L!

M N R NTRNTS, STLN R VWLS. M GNG 2 SLL THM FR CRCK.

954 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 4:58:30pm

re: #953 iceweasel

M N R NTRNTS, STLN R VWLS. M GNG 2 SLL THM FR CRCK.

R myb Nwprts.

955 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 5:00:09pm

Clearly- we need a nation swear jar. It could fund healthcare!

Youtube Video
956 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 5:02:16pm

re: #954 Sharmuta

R myb Nwprts.

Maybe that's where the wily Kenyan socialist intends to get the money for health care reform. He's going to sell our American vowels to the Chinese.

Glenn Beck: "I love my country and I fear for it!"

Jst Wht knd f mrc d y wnt t lv n?

I can't even recognise America any more! MRC?!

957 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 5:27:15pm
958 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 5:31:06pm

re: #957 gabbygram

No one in Germany thought their great Leader Hitler would do what he did either.

Too bad no one read Mein Kampf. Oh, wait, it was a huge seller back before hitler took power. Nevermind.

/speakin troof ta powa!

959 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 29, 2009 5:38:00pm

re: #957 gabbygram

Re: Iceweasel

If you want to live in that America then you had better open your ears and your brain as to what is actually going on around you.
No one in Germany thought their great Leader Hitler would do what he did either.
Don't walk around with empty wishes and rose colored glasses on. Maybe start by reading some History Books and pay attention to some of the alarms being rung, yes, by some people like Glen Beck.

The history books tell me that it's hysterical propagandists like Glnn Bck and the fools who believe him that are the danger. As are the people who are so ignorant of history that they think it makes sense to compare Obama to Hitler, or to call progressives or liberals fascists, communists, socialists, Marxists, totalitarians, or whatever ignorant smear is du jour.

Beck is a clown, a fool, and a spreader of lies, fear, and hate-filled hysteria. And that goes for anyone who defends him too.

Youtube Video

Don't wanna be an American idiot
Don't want a nation under the new media
And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mind fuck America

Welcome to a new kind of tension
All across the alien nation
Where everything isn't meant to be okay

Television dreams of tomorrow
We're not the ones who're meant to follow
For that's enough to argue

Well maybe I'm the faggot America
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda
Now everybody do the propaganda
And sing along to the age of paranoia

960 acs1123  Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:25:29pm

For those who don't like or even hate Glen Beck, then change the channel. I am amazed at the number of liberals who obviously listen to Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, to mention a few, then complain about what they hear. Just turn the channel. Obviously you want to listen to them. When I find myself accidentally tuning in to a liberal program, I turn it off. I am not, nor ever have I subscribed to the liberal idealogy. To me, Beck is a patriotic American that wants what is best for America. So do I, and it's smaller government and lower taxes. BHO is about to destroy this country. Once again, turn the channel.

961 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 30, 2009 9:34:42pm

The sleepers always show up at the end of dead threads to defend wackos like Glenn Beck.


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