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While the poor people sleepin’
With the shade on the light
While the poor people sleepin’
All the stars come out at night
— Steely Dan, “Show Biz Kids”
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Clemente Mon, Sep 7, 2009 11:50:09pm |
Crispy new thread, fresh out of the Denver Airport ATM*... I wanna wad it up and stuff it in my pocket!
/* Automatic Thread Machine?
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Neutral President Mon, Sep 7, 2009 11:52:59pm |
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 7, 2009 11:55:41pm |
Evening Star
Thou fair hair'd angel of the evening,
Now, while the sun rests on the mountains light,
Thy bright torch of love; Thy radiant crown
Put on, and smile upon our evening bed!
Smile on our loves; and when thou drawest the
Blue curtains, scatter thy silver dew
On every flower that shuts its sweet eyes
In timely sleep. Let thy west wind sleep on
The lake; speak silence with thy glimmering eyes
And wash the dusk with silver. Soon, full, soon,
Dost thou withdraw; Then, the wolf rages wide,
And the lion glares thro' the dun forest.
The fleece of our flocks are covered with
Thy sacred dew; Protect them with thine influence.
-William Blake
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BatGuano Mon, Sep 7, 2009 11:57:20pm |
re: #3 ArchangelMichael
I still love Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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Sharmuta Mon, Sep 7, 2009 11:59:23pm |
Stars
Ah! why, because the dazzling sun
Restored our Earth to joy,
Have you departed, every one,
And left a desert sky?
All through the night, your glorious eyes
Were gazing down in mine,
And, with a full heart's thankful sighs,
I blessed that watch divine.
I was at peace, and drank your beams
As they were life to me;
And revelled in my changeful dreams,
Like petrel on the sea.
Thought followed thought, star followed star
Through boundless regions on;
While one sweet influence, near and far,
Thrilled through, and proved us one!
Why did the morning dawn to break
So great, so pure a spell;
And scorch with fire the tranquil cheek,
Where your cool radiance fell?
Blood-red, he rose, and arrow-straight,
His fierce beams struck my brow;
The soul of nature sprang, elate,
But mine sank sad and low.
My lids closed down, yet through their veil
I saw him, blazinig, still,
And steep in gold the misty dale,
And flash upon the hill.
I turned me to the pillow, then,
To call back night, and see
Your words of solemn light, again,
Throb with my heart, and me!
It would not do - the pillow glowed,
And glowed both roof and floor;
And birds sang loudly in the wood,
And fresh winds shook the door;
The curtains waved, the wakened flies
Were murmuring round my room,
Imprisoned there, till I should rise,
And give them leave to roam.
O stars, and dreams, and gentle night;
O night and stars, return!
And hide me from the hostile light
That does not warm, but burn;
That drains the blood of suffering men;
Drinks tears, instead of dew;
Let me sleep through his blinding reign,
And only wake with you!
-Emily Bronte
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BatGuano Mon, Sep 7, 2009 11:59:31pm |
re: #4 Sharmuta
My favorite blake:
Tiger, tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:02:47am |
The Evening Star
Lo! in the painted oriel of the West,
Whose panes the sunken sun incarnadines,
Like a fair lady at her casement, shines
The evening star, the star of love and rest!
And then anon she doth herself divest
Of all her radiant garments, and reclines
Behind the sombre screen of yonder pines,
With slumber and soft dreams of love oppressed.
O my beloved, my sweet Hesperus!
My morning and my evening star of love!
My best and gentlest lady! even thus,
As that fair planet in the sky above,
Dost thou retire unto thy rest at night,
And from thy darkened window fades the light.
-Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
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BatGuano Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:07:40am |
re: #9 Sharmuta
I'm not familiar with that. Poetry in the 19th century used to be held in high regard.Not so much anymore.
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astronmr20 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:09:03am |
So these are the last few nights I'll be up late by myself lurking on comment sections of blogs.
I get married on September 26th.
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BatGuano Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:09:17am |
re: #10 Sharmuta
My wife will love this! (I think it's pretty cool too).
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:10:29am |
re: #12 astronmr20
I offer my condolences.
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Just joking. Congratulations.
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davinvalkri Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:11:09am |
Since we're quoting 19th century poetry, how about this one?
I met a traveler from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Lie in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half-sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
`My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away".
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astronmr20 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:11:24am |
Heh.
Thanks! Getting married in India. 2 weeks left to finish logistics!
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davinvalkri Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:11:45am |
re: #12 astronmr20
So these are the last few nights I'll be up late by myself lurking on comment sections of blogs.
I get married on September 26th.
Yay! Congratulations from the West Coast!
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Bagua Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:11:54am |
Also burning bright, in the forests of tonight
A singular sight in our lifetimes, one would hope, but also an awful beauty.
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:12:04am |
re: #13 BatGuano
My wife will love this! (I think it's pretty cool too).
She will really love this picture then. How can you not love it?
/Warning- above link might cause instant "awww!"
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Henchman Ghazi-808 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:12:32am |
How much does it cost a pirate to get an ear pearcing?
A buccaneer.
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astronmr20 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:13:02am |
re: #21 Sharmuta
She will really love this picture then. How can you not love it?
/Warning- above link might cause instant "awww!"
Baby tiger: "One day I keeel you!"
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:14:19am |
re: #24 astronmr20
Baby tiger: "One day I keeel you!"
Yeah-
Chimpanzee though: Ooo! Kitty!
Tiger thought: Ooo! Appetizer!
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davinvalkri Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:15:23am |
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sngnsgt Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:16:02am |
MISS THIS GUY YET?
'Here's my strategy on the Cold War:
'We win, they lose.' - Ronald Reagan
'The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' -Ronald Reagan
'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.' - Ronald Reagan
'Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. was too strong.' - Ronald Reagan
'I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress.' -Ronald Reagan
'The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government but doesn't have to take the civil service examination.' - Ronald Reagan
'Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.' - Ronald Reagan
'The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program.' - Ronald Reagan
'It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.' - Ronald Reagan
'Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: 'If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it' - Ronald Reagan
'Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed, there are many rewards; if you disgrace yourself, you can always write a book.' - Ronald Reagan
'No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is as formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.' - Ronald Reagan
'If we ever forget that we're one nation under GOD, then we will be a nation gone under.' - Ronald Reagan
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davinvalkri Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:18:50am |
re: #30 sngnsgt
MISS THIS GUY YET?
'Here's my strategy on the Cold War:
'We win, they lose.' - Ronald Reagan
'The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' -Ronald Reagan
'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.' - Ronald Reagan
'Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. was too strong.' - Ronald Reagan
'I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress.' -Ronald Reagan
'The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government but doesn't have to take the civil service examination.' - Ronald Reagan
'Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.' - Ronald Reagan
'The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program.' - Ronald Reagan
'It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.' - Ronald Reagan
'Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: 'If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it' - Ronald Reagan
'Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed, there are many rewards; if you disgrace yourself, you can always write a book.' - Ronald Reagan
'No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is as formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.' - Ronald Reagan
'If we ever forget that we're one nation under GOD, then we will be a nation gone under.' - Ronald Reagan
Damn, missed his presidency by THAT MUCH! (Okay, three years, I got H. W. Bush after he broke his "no new taxes" pledge, dangit.)
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astronmr20 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:20:46am |
re: #34 davinvalkri
Damn, missed his presidency by THAT MUCH! (Okay, three years, I got H. W. Bush after he broke his "no new taxes" pledge, dangit.)
I was just thinking today about how Bush Sr.'s presidency went down in flames after that broken promise, compared to how many more substantial broken promises Obama has already made, and the difference in consequence of the two.
It's staggering.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:24:17am |
re: #30 sngnsgt
MISS THIS GUY YET?
'Here's my strategy on the Cold War:
'We win, they lose.' - Ronald Reagan
'The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' -Ronald Reagan
'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.' - Ronald Reagan
'Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. was too strong.' - Ronald Reagan
'I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress.' -Ronald Reagan'The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government but doesn't have to take the civil service examination.' - Ronald Reagan
'Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.' - Ronald Reagan
'The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program.' - Ronald Reagan
'It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.' - Ronald Reagan'Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: 'If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it' - Ronald Reagan
'Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed, there are many rewards; if you disgrace yourself, you can always write a book.' - Ronald Reagan
'No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is as formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.' - Ronald Reagan
'If we ever forget that we're one nation under GOD, then we will be a nation gone under.' - Ronald Reagan
Dude was a bad ass, and I was born in 1987.
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astronmr20 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:26:11am |
re: #37 TheMatrix31
Dude was a bad ass, and I was born in 1987.
Indeed he was. In my circles, he pulled many a liberal into the light of conservatism.
Unfortunately our subsequent supposedly "conservative" Presidents squandered that legacy.
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BatGuano Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:27:31am |
re: #30 sngnsgt
Everyone,
We were not around at the time of the founding fathers but we were here for Reagan. I feel privileged to have been able to vote for him twice for President. We might not ever have that same opportunity,so I cherish what we had.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:29:30am |
re: #23 BigPapa
How much does it cost a pirate to get an ear pearcing?
A buccaneer.
Q: What disease did the pirates get when they went ashore in Hong Kong?
A: SAAARS!
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davinvalkri Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:33:55am |
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:34:08am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:35:47am |
re: #40 Fenway_Nation
This pirate walks into a bar with a big ship's wheel on the front of his pants.
The bartender says, "Excuse me, sir, but do you know you have a ship's wheel on the front of your pants?"
And the pirate says..."Yaargh, it's driving me nuts!!"
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:38:16am |
re: #7 BatGuano
My favorite blake:
Tiger, tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
Ah batman...i adore blake and that is my favourite too...
What about these? Songs of Innocence and Experience...
For Mercy has a human heart
Pity, a human face;
And Love, the human form divine;
And Peace, the human dress.
Then every man, of every clime,
That prays in his distress,
Prays to the human form divine:
Love, Mercy, Pity, Peace.
---
versus:
Cruelty has a human heart,
And Jealousy a human face,
Terror the human form divine,
And Secrecy the human dress.
The human dress is forgèd iron,
The human form a fiery forge,
The human face a furnace seal'd,
The human heart its hungry gorge.
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BatGuano Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:40:07am |
re: #37 TheMatrix31
You were born in '87? remember the 1987 NBA championship series when Robert Parish had a sprained ankle and Kevin McHale had a broken foot?
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:42:42am |
re: #44 iceweasel
I posted #6 for you, My Sister. No incubator, she.
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BatGuano Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:42:47am |
re: #44 iceweasel
Dark poem:
Father! father! where are you going?
O do not walk so fast.
Speak, father, speak to your little boy,
Or else I shall be lost.''
The night was dark, no father was there;
The child was wet with dew;
The mire was deep, & the child did weep,
And away the vapour flew.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:45:03am |
re: #20 Bagua
Also burning bright, in the forests of tonight
A singular sight in our lifetimes, one would hope, but also an awful beauty.
Too long a sacrifice
Can make a stone of the heart.
O when may it suffice?
That is heaven's part, our part
To murmur name upon name,
As a mother names her child
When sleep at last has come
On limbs that had run wild.
What is it but nightfall?
No, no, not night but death;
Was it needless death after all?
For England may keep faith
For all that is done and said.
We know their dream; enough
To know they dreamed and are dead.
And what if excess of love
Bewildered them till they died?
I write it out in a verse --
MacDonagh and MacBride
And Connolly and Pearse
Now and in time to be,
Wherever green is worn,
Are changed, changed utterly:
A terrible beauty is born.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:46:48am |
There once was a man from Nantucket...
//
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Neutral President Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:47:29am |
re: #46 TheMatrix31
I was born in DECEMBER 1987 ;)
Ouch... I was 13 then. Why does everyone insist on making me feel old?
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:47:57am |
Two of my favorites, by Robert Frost:
Nothing Gold Can Stay
Nature's first green is gold
Her hardest hue to hold
Her early leaf's a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.
Stopping By Woods on a Snowy Evening
Whose woods these are I think I know.
His house is in the village though;
He will not see me stopping here
To watch his woods fill up with snow.
My little horse must think it queer
To stop without a farmhouse near
Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year.
He gives his harness bells a shake
To ask if there is some mistake.
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.
The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
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theheat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:48:08am |
re: #48 BatGuano
Darker yet. Longfellow, from The Wreck of the Hesperus:
“Come hither! come hither! my little daughter,
And do not tremble so;
For I can weather the roughest gale
That ever wind did blow.”
He wrapped her warm in his seaman’s coat
Against the stinging blast;
He cut a rope from a broken spar,
And bound her to the mast.
“O father! I hear the church-bells ring,
O say, what may it be?”
“’Tis a fog-bell on a rock-bound coast!”—
And he steered for the open sea.
“O father! I hear the sound of guns,
O say, what may it be?”
“Some ship in distress, that cannot live
In such an angry sea!”
“O father! I see a gleaming light
O say, what may it be?”
But the father answered never a word,
A frozen corpse was he.
Lashed to the helm, all stiff and stark,
With his face turned to the skies,
The lantern gleamed through the gleaming snow
On his fixed and glassy eyes.
Then the maiden clasped her hands and prayed
That saved she might be;
And she thought of Christ, who stilled the wave,
On the Lake of Galilee.
And fast through the midnight dark and drear,
Through the whistling sleet and snow,
Like a sheeted ghost, the vessel swept
Tow’rds the reef of Norman’s Woe.
And ever the fitful gusts between
A sound came from the land;
It was the sound of the trampling surf
On the rocks and the hard sea-sand.
The breakers were right beneath her bows,
She drifted a dreary wreck,
And a whooping billow swept the crew
Like icicles from her deck.
She struck where the white and fleecy waves
Looked soft as carded wool,
But the cruel rocks, they gored her side
Like the horns of an angry bull.
Her rattling shrouds, all sheathed in ice,
With the masts went by the board;
Like a vessel of glass, she stove and sank,
Ho! ho! the breakers roared!
At daybreak, on the bleak sea-beach,
A fisherman stood aghast,
To see the form of a maiden fair,
Lashed close to a drifting mast.
The salt sea was frozen on her breast,
The salt tears in her eyes;
And he saw her hair, like the brown sea-weed,
On the billows fall and rise.
Such was the wreck of the Hesperus,
In the midnight and the snow!
Christ save us all from a death like this,
On the reef of Norman’s Woe!
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:48:24am |
re: #48 BatGuano
This, to me, is Blake's darkest poem...
I was angry with my friend:
I told my wrath, my wrath did end.
I was angry with my foe;
I told it not, my wrath did grow.And I water'd it in fears,
Night & morning with my tears;
And I sunned it with my smiles
And with soft deceitful wiles.And it grew both day and night,
Till it bore an apple bright;
And my foe beheld it shine,
And he knew that it was mine,And into my garden stole
When the night had veil'd the pole:
In the morning glad I see
My foe outstretch'd beneath the tree
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:48:37am |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:50:19am |
re: #51 Fenway_Nation
There once was a man from Nantucket...
//
There once was a man named Obama
Who would tax everyone, even his mama
He raised all the rates
He sealed all our fates
Causing us more financial trauma.
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davinvalkri Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:50:21am |
re: #54 theheat
We could always go even darker...
"It is an ancient Mariner,
And he stoppeth one of three.
`By thy long beard and glittering eye,
Now wherefore stopp'st thou me ?... "
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:52:12am |
re: #52 ArchangelMichael
Ouch... I was 13 then. Why does everyone insist on making me feel old?
I was 16... so STFU and quit yer whining!
:)
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theheat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:54:27am |
re: #59 davinvalkri
Quite grim.
Four times fifty living men,
(And I heard nor sigh nor groan)
With heavy thump, a lifeless lump,
They dropped down one by one.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:56:14am |
Santa Fe Steam Locomotive One Step Closer to Restoration; Women, Minorities Hardest Hit.
Unfortunately, a volunteer named Jim Hillis was killed in a fall at the site over the weekend.
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:56:35am |
Tell Me
Tell me I'm clever,
Tell me I'm kind,
Tell me I'm talented,
Tell me I'm cute,
Tell me I'm sensitive,
Graceful and wise,
Tell me I'm perfect-
But tell me the truth.
-Shel Silverstein
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:56:41am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:58:55am |
re: #54 theheat
A Refusal to Mourn the Death, By Fire, of a Child In London
Dylan Thomas
Never until the mankind making
Bird beast and flower
Fathering and all humbling darkness
Tells with silence the last light breaking
And the still hour
Is come of the sea tumbling in harness
And I must enter again the round
Zion of the water bead
And the synagogue of the ear of corn
Shall I let pray the shadow of a sound
Or sow my salt seed
In the least valley of sackcloth to mourn
The majesty and burning of the child's death.
I shall not murder
The mankind of her going with a grave truth
Nor blaspheme down the stations of the breath
With any further
Elegy of innocence and youth.
Deep with the first dead lies London's daughter,
Robed in the long friends,
The grains beyond age, the dark veins of her mother,
Secret by the unmourning water
Of the riding Thames.
After the first death, there is no other.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:02:44am |
LOL this video was hilarious. From November 08
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theheat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:03:47am |
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BatGuano Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:04:11am |
re: #67 iceweasel
Ice, I was trying to think of that one. You are freaky! On January 6, 2006 as my dad was dying (he passed an hour later) I was thinking of Dylan Thomas:
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:04:29am |
re: #64 Sharmuta
Authors and actors and artists and such
Never know nothing, and never know much.
Sculptors and singers and those of their kidney
Tell their affairs from Seattle to Sydney.
Playwrights and poets and such horses' necks
Start off from anywhere, end up at sex.
Diarists, critics, and similar roe
Never say nothing, and never say no.
People Who Do Things exceed my endurance;
God, for a man that solicits insurance!
Dorothy Parker, Bohemia
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EaterOfFood Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:07:12am |
re: #67 iceweasel
A Refusal to Mourn the Death, By Fire, of a Child In London
Dylan ThomasNever until the mankind making
Bird beast and flower
Fathering and all humbling darkness
Tells with silence the last light breaking
And the still hour
Is come of the sea tumbling in harnessAnd I must enter again the round
Zion of the water bead
And the synagogue of the ear of corn
Shall I let pray the shadow of a sound
Or sow my salt seed
In the least valley of sackcloth to mournThe majesty and burning of the child's death.
I shall not murder
The mankind of her going with a grave truth
Nor blaspheme down the stations of the breath
With any further
Elegy of innocence and youth.Deep with the first dead lies London's daughter,
Robed in the long friends,
The grains beyond age, the dark veins of her mother,
Secret by the unmourning water
Of the riding Thames.
After the first death, there is no other.
How would a synagogue of the ear of corn hold Passover services, seeing how corn is not Kosher For Passover?
/
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:10:28am |
i carry your heart with me
i carry your heart with me(i carry it in
my heart)i am never without it(anywhere
i go you go,my dear; and whatever is done
by only me is your doing,my darling)
i fear
no fate(for you are my fate,my sweet)i want
no world(for beautiful you are my world,my true)
and it's you are whatever a moon has always meant
and whatever a sun will always sing is you
here is the deepest secret nobody knows
(here is the root of the root and the bud of the bud
and the sky of the sky of a tree called life;which grows
higher than the soul can hope or mind can hide)
and this is the wonder that's keeping the stars apart
i carry your heart(i carry it in my heart)
-ee cummings
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:10:48am |
re: #70 BatGuano
Ice, I was trying to think of that one. You are freaky! On January 6, 2006 as my dad was dying (he passed an hour later) I was thinking of Dylan Thomas:
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Classic, Bat. Beautiful. And true, I am a poetry freak!
And i'm sorry for your loss. {bat}
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:11:54am |
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Just going through some oldies-but-goodies, things I posted over the course of the last few years on my Facebook account.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:12:04am |
Official home of Santa Fe Baldwin 4-8-4 #2926
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BatGuano Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:13:44am |
re: #71 iceweasel
Pardon my ignorance, but is Dorothy Parker the one who was asked to use the word "horticulture" in a sentence and said, " You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think?
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:14:37am |
re: #73 Sharmuta
Ah, but do you know the original? Sir Philip Sidney in the 16th century?
My true-love hath my heart, and I have his,
By just exchange one for the other given.
I hold his dear, and mine he cannot miss:
There never was a bargain better driven.
His heart in me keeps me and him in one;
My heart in him his thoughts and senses guides:
He loves my heart, for once it was his own;
I cherish his because in me it bides.
His heart his wound received from my sight;
My heart was wounded with his wounded heart;
For as from me on him his hurt did light,
So still, methought, in me his hurt did smart:
Both equal hurt, in this change sought our bliss,
My true love hath my heart and I have his.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:17:42am |
re: #77 BatGuano
Pardon my ignorance, but is Dorothy Parker the one who was asked to use the word "horticulture" in a sentence and said, " You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think?
yes, bat!
Also said: "If all the girls at the Yale dance were laid end to end...I wouldn't be a bit surprised"
And, when someone inquired after the broken leg of a female acquaintance:
"She hurt it sliding down a barrister"
And when a rival tried to insult her, opening a door for her and snarking "age before beauty"-- parker walked in first and said, "And pearls before swine".
She's a bit of a heroine of mine. ;)
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theheat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:21:39am |
re: #76 Fenway_Nation
Fenway, is this sort of like train pron for you?
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:22:19am |
All You who Sleep Tonight
All you who sleep tonight
Far from the ones you love,
No hand to left or right
And emptiness above -
Know that you aren't alone
The whole world shares your tears,
Some for two nights or one,
And some for all their years.
-Vikram Seth
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BatGuano Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:22:44am |
re: #80 iceweasel
She's a bit of a heroine of mine. ;)
I see why! She was part of the Algonquin round table I believe, and the only other member I can think of is Bennet Cerf. Correct me if I am wrong.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:24:33am |
re: #47 Sharmuta
I posted #6 for you, My Sister. No incubator, she.
And here is one for you, Sister:
No one's fated or doomed to love anyone.
The accidents happen, we're not heroines,
they happen in our lives like car crashes,
books that change us, neighborhoods
we move into and come to love.
Tristan und Isolde is scarcely the story,
women at least should know the difference
between love and death. No prison cup,
no penance. Merely a notion that the tape - recorder
should have caught some ghost of us: that tape - recorder
not merely played but should have listened to us,
and could instruct those after us:
this we were, this is how we tried to love,
and these are the forces we had ranged within us
within us and against us, against us and within us.
Adrienne Rich, 21 Love Poems
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:27:28am |
re: #83 BatGuano
She's a bit of a heroine of mine. ;)
I see why! She was part of the Algonquin round table I believe, and the only other member I can think of is Bennet Cerf. Correct me if I am wrong.
No, you're totally right! Robert Benchley is the only other member I recall off hand.
She's awesome:
Once, when I was young and true,
Someone left me sad-
Broke my brittle heart in two;
And that is very bad.
Love is for unlucky folk,
Love is but a curse.
Once there was a heart I broke;
And that, I think, is worse.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:28:08am |
re: #81 theheat
Nah...the thing would have to actually be up and running for it to be anywhere near that.
But the fact that it went from static display to being fully restored is heartening in my mind's eye.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:29:00am |
Well, went to the last BBQ of the year that I will go to. Realized a few things.
1. You cannot talk rationally with idiots regardless of facts.
2. I think my IQ, which has its own challenges, dropped about 15 points. That is the reason it is my last BBQ this year.
3. Got ragged on about still being single by friends wives. Counter argument: No one gets half my house.
I really need to start playing golf again.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:32:15am |
re: #88 Cannadian Club Akbar
3. Got ragged on about still being single by friends wives. Counter argument: No one gets half my house.
In such a situation, I would be highly tempted to say the following: "In other words, you are afraid I will be an example to your husbands of all the fun a single man can have without having to put up with all the BS a spouse can spit out."
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theheat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:32:32am |
re: #87 Fenway_Nation
If you like old rusty stuff, you'd love this hulk in person. Funny story about being bound and determined to see what it looked like when it was moored awhile back, but I can't speak about it without incriminating myself. Nope, can't go there. ;-)
re: #88 Cannadian Club Akbar
You might meet one golfing. Stranger things have happened.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:32:55am |
Dave and his buddies were hanging out and planning an upcoming fishing trip. Unfortunately, he had to tell them that he couldn’t go this time because his wife wouldn’t let him. After a lot of teasing and name calling, Dave headed home, frustrated.
The following week, when Dave’s buddies arrived at the lake to set up camp, they were shocked to see Dave was already there. He was already sitting at the campground with a cold beer, swag rolled out, fishing rod in hand, and a camp fire glowing.
“How did you talk your missus into letting you go Dave?”
“I didn’t have to,” Dave replied. I went home from work last night and slumped down in my chair with a beer to drown my sorrows. Then the ol’ lady snuck up behind me and covered my eyes and said, ‘Surprise’… When I peeled her hands back she was standing there in a beautiful see-through negligee and she said, ‘Carry me into the bedroom and tie me to the bed and you can do whatever you want’……
SO HERE I AM!”
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BatGuano Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:34:59am |
re: #86 iceweasel
I searched some Dorothy Parker quotes and this Jumped out at me:
"She runs the gamut of emotions from A to B."
Dorothy Parker, speaking of Katharine Hepburn
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:36:50am |
Rant off. Sorry to be a buzzkill. Mornin' (or evening) Honcos!!!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:37:13am |
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theheat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:40:04am |
re: #89 freetoken
Speaking of, that knife cuts both ways. Last I saw, Mr. Heat he had a frying pan augered into his skull after coming home with yet another project car this evening.
Just remember:
"No matter how
prettyhandsomeshe is, somewhere, someguygal is sick ofherhis shit."
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:41:00am |
..re: #94 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh... I have nothing against marriage. However, over the years my buddies' wives have fallen into roughly two categories: (1) those who project their unhappiness onto others, such as myself, who know/hang around with their husbands, (2) those who respect their husband's friends.
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Neutral President Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:41:08am |
re: #88 Cannadian Club Akbar
I avoided all the BBQs this year that I could. In any social situation I try to avoid any topics of conversation which will result in rationality clashing with idiots. (My friends are either firebrand leftists or kookservative right-wingers who would get banned here in about 5 minutes.)
When someone in the above category tries to bring up politics. I've learned to change the subject or fake having to go to the restroom.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:43:24am |
re: #89 freetoken
In such a situation, I would be highly tempted to say the following: "In other words, you are afraid I will be an example to your husbands of all the fun a single man can have without having to put up with all the BS a spouse can spit out."
I'm a chick and a feminist and I wholly endorse freetoken's analysis here.
i experienced a similar (chick) version from my married female friends in more traditional relationships when I was applying to grad school: There it took the form of earnest advice that "You know, you really should be having a baby. Your life can't be complete until you do."
This from women who had babies very young and never had much education at all, mind you.
CCA: take note. Some of the 'advice' one receives about relationships is essentially about "Misery loves company, and if you make different choices you're threatening MY decisions (or my spouse's).
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Neutral President Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:45:17am |
re: #96 freetoken
I don't get much of #1 from friend's wives anymore. I'm not married but they know I've been in a serious relationship for years so I don't have that problem of being a single guy making their husbands jealous. I have unintentionally put the "buy a motorcycle" idea in friend's heads though in the past year and I'm expecting some minor fallout from wives eventually if any one of them goes through with it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:45:36am |
re: #96 freetoken
Heh... I have nothing against marriage.
Nor do I. I am all for it, if that's what you're into. For many people it works out beautifully, for many others it is a horror.
For me? It's not for me.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:45:52am |
re: #97 ArchangelMichael
I avoided all the BBQs this year that I could. In any social situation I try to avoid any topics of conversation which will result in rationality clashing with idiots. (My friends are either firebrand leftists or kookservative right-wingers who would get banned here in about 5 minutes.)
When someone in the above category tries to bring up politics. I've learned to change the subject or fake having to go to the restroom.
Well, it was kinda that. But I was trying to explain the difference between DUI/Manslaughter and good ol' manslaughter. In Florida, DUI/Manslaughter is mandatory 15 years. Manslaughter, someone could get 3 years. I might have knocked something loose with all the head shaking I did.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:46:08am |
re: #98 iceweasel
CCA: take note. Some of the 'advice' one receives about relationships is essentially about "Misery loves company, and if you make different choices you're threatening MY decisions (or my spouse's).
YES, YES, YES. I'm finally at an age where I can discern with reasonable accuracy when this is happening. So many times the "advice" given is really a projection. Can come from either gender, to either gender.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:47:41am |
I am actually very pro marriage. Just not to my friends wives.:)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:48:31am |
re: #95 theheat
Speaking of, that knife cuts both ways.
Indeed. My previous quip applies equally as well when said "Not all women are idiots..."
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:49:24am |
re: #96 freetoken
..
Heh... I have nothing against marriage. However, over the years my buddies' wives have fallen into roughly two categories: (1) those who project their unhappiness onto others, such as myself, who know/hang around with their husbands, (2) those who respect their husband's friends.
FT, that is true regardless of gender. If the wife bans her hubby's friends or hates them, that is bad news. But it is equally bad news when the male partner tries to do the same to his female partner, and that happens too.
I'll endorse the Spice Girls for this!
If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends
Make it last forever-- friendship never ends.
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BatGuano Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:49:27am |
After listening to my kvetching for several weeks, my wife made me fruitcup. she is one of the good ones.
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theheat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:53:18am |
Mr. Heat started coming down with some bug last week, so I gave him a bottle of astragalus pills.
So, he goes to work after the weekend, and tells everyone he's feeling better because I gave him something that started with an A, sounds like as - ars - arsenic. Yeah, arsenic.
Yes, he said I gave him a bottle of arsenic to get over feeling sick.
And he went to college.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:54:28am |
There was a Paulian there that I got into it with about 6 months ago. He wouldn't say BOO to me. Heh.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:56:12am |
re: #107 theheat
Is Zycam off the market? I remember hearing that, but wasn't sure.
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Neutral President Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:57:11am |
re: #108 Cannadian Club Akbar
There was a Paulian there that I got into it with about 6 months ago. He wouldn't say BOO to me. Heh.
I don't have the energy to argue with them outside of LGF anymore. If I get caught in one of their "I know how this all works" tin-foil-esque rants I just nod and pretend like I agree with them (as long as they don't go racist or something) and move along. I cant downding people in real life.
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theheat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:57:32am |
re: #109 Cannadian Club Akbar
I bought some last winter. Maybe since then it's been taken off. Mr. Heat took that and it didn't seem to have any bad effect.
Not like arsenic, anyway ;-)
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:57:52am |
re: #102 freetoken
YES, YES, YES. I'm finally at an age where I can discern with reasonable accuracy when this is happening. So many times the "advice" given is really a projection. Can come from either gender, to either gender.
Yes, FT, In fact I would take the radical position that it is USUALLY about projection-- when it's about married people 'advising' people, or people in very conventional situations advising people.
It's a bit weird that those are the same people that feel the need to prosleytise, no? Given that they've embraced a total conventional, very societally-supported choice...why are they so very deeply concerned when someone else does something different?
Not to get all personal here or make it about me-- but it's worth noting that when my married, older, female friends felt compelled to tell me I really needed to have a baby RIGHT NOW whilst I was concerned with applying to grad school-- i was in my early twenties and I was married. There was literally no good reason to urge me that I needed to have a baby NOW-- except that they were threatened by me making a choice that they hadn't, and wanting a different life from what they had.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:00:39am |
re: #111 theheat
I bought some last winter. Maybe since then it's been taken off. Mr. Heat took that and it didn't seem to have any bad effect.
Not like arsenic, anyway ;-)
The couple of times I got " that feeling in my throat" I used Zycam. Stuff is magic. But next time I'll try the arsenic.
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:00:48am |
re: #110 ArchangelMichael
I cant downding people in real life.
You could try, but it would most likely earn you a night in the County Hotel.
/
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:03:11am |
re: #112 iceweasel
I dated a girl who, within 3 weeks, was talking children. But that wasn't the bad thing. She wanted children so she could give them a better up bringing then she had. I didn't realize how fast I could run.
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Neutral President Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:03:19am |
re: #114 Slumbering Behemoth
That is to be avoided at all costs. I don't think they will let me keep my security clearance when it comes up for review.
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theheat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:04:50am |
re: #113 Cannadian Club Akbar
Make sure the arsenic is spelled a-s-t-r-a-g-a-l-u-s, and you'll do okay.
It's a Chinese herb. I first used it on my veterinarian's recommendation for a horse with a long term (fatal) auto-immune illness, early on. Made a huge difference both in the time he stayed healthy and alive. He lived far beyond what anyone thought he would.
It was good enough for him, it was good enough for Mr. Heat.
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Mauser Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:06:08am |
re: #7 BatGuano
My favorite blake:
Tiger, tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
Parody I once heard:
Tiger, tiger, burning bright,
Might I ask you for a light?
I'm sorry sir, I must confess
We do not burn, we fluoresce.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:07:04am |
re: #99 ArchangelMichael
I don't get much of #1 from friend's wives anymore. I'm not married but they know I've been in a serious relationship for years so I don't have that problem of being a single guy making their husbands jealous. I have unintentionally put the "buy a motorcycle" idea in friend's heads though in the past year and I'm expecting some minor fallout from wives eventually if any one of them goes through with it.
You'll get it for that. No mistake.
In my case, I got it for having a motorcycle myself and thus being a bad influence on my coupled guy friends, who were likewise inspired to get one. Other high risk physical activities as well. (no, not sex) that made the wives/gf's angry.
That being said, I endorse the idea of giving up riding once you have kids.
What have you got?
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:09:23am |
G'nite guano!
I'm not long for this thread myself...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:12:12am |
re: #112 iceweasel
I think it all depends on who you're talking to, and how much experience they have had.
On one occasion, some holiday or other, I was talking with a married man and father of several children. We were hanging out and watching many other people's children running amok and acting like, well, children. I look at him and say "And people think there is something wrong with me because I won't marry and father children".
He said "I don't. I fucking admire you". Exact words.
I've heard much the same from married mothers.
Some folk just aren't meant to play that role. I am one of them.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:12:58am |
Politicians in Florida raised taxes $1 per pack of smokes. Now, people are quitting and others are going to Georgia to buy smokes. Revenues down. Hmm, wonder where they will get that money.
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Neutral President Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:13:51am |
re: #120 iceweasel
You'll get it for that. No mistake.
In my case, I got it for having a motorcycle myself and thus being a bad influence on my coupled guy friends, who were likewise inspired to get one. Other high risk physical activities as well. (no, not sex) that made the wives/gf's angry.That being said, I endorse the idea of giving up riding once you have kids.
What have you got?
Triumph Street Triple.
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theheat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:14:21am |
re: #126 Cannadian Club Akbar
How much does that make them at $1 more? Here they're $6.50-$8/pack.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:16:36am |
re: #128 theheat
How much does that make them at $1 more? Here they're $6.50-$8/pack.
Smokes are around $5.50. But, the generic smokes are about $6 a pack now. Up from about $3.50.
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theheat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:17:41am |
re: #130 Cannadian Club Akbar
Well, I guess that means my state cares more than yours. You know, about the children.
//
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:17:54am |
re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar
I dated a girl who, within 3 weeks, was talking children. But that wasn't the bad thing. She wanted children so she could give them a better up bringing then she had. I didn't realize how fast I could run.
I think it's probably normal to want your kids to have an even better life than you did...I'll tell you, the thing I still don't get is the generalised female lust for the condition of marriage, or the idea of children. It's a total mystery to me.
Marriage isn't attractive to me at all as a state-- except when involving a very specific person. Similarly with children. I cannot understand the desire to just 'have children', apart from the idea of a specific desire to have the children of a very certain man.
That to me is the definition of love: Someone whom I could want to bear children to, because they'd be his children, and whom I would want to marry-- because it's him. No one else.
And I know so many women who seem to lust for the condition or state of being married and having children, and they're only looking for a male cut out doll to pop in their Barbie Dream House, and anyone who fits will suffice-- what the fuck is that all about?
And I know this probably sounded misogynistic and I swear it isn't, I just don't get it. I know a lot of it isn't the women, it's the culture telling us that this is our role and what we're supposed to do and be. But I don't get it. At all.
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UncleRancher Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:18:02am |
re: #130 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have saved so much money I should be rich. Cold turkey abouit 10 years ago.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:18:18am |
re: #99 ArchangelMichael
A nice personal ad for a bike here:
$10,000 06' Suzuki GSXR 1000 Farmington, UT
2006 Suzuki 1000.
This bike is perfect! It has 1000 miles and has had its 500 mile dealer service. (Expensive)
It's been adult ridden, all wheels have always been on the ground. I use it as a cruiser/commuter. I'm selling it because it was purchased without the proper consent of a loving wife.
Apparently "do whatever the fuck you want" doesn't mean what I thought.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:19:26am |
re: #125 Slumbering Behemoth
Updinged and favourited.
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Neutral President Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:21:03am |
re: #132 iceweasel
And I know so many women who seem to lust for the condition or state of being married and having children, and they're only looking for a male cut out doll to pop in their Barbie Dream House, and anyone who fits will suffice-- what the fuck is that all about?
It's called building the foundation for a future divorce. Likely following an incident of infidelity from one of the two.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:23:31am |
re: #134 Slumbering Behemoth
You need the new "What women say/what women mean" manual.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:23:44am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:24:34am |
re: #136 ArchangelMichael
It's called building the foundation for a future divorce. Likely following an incident of infidelity from one of the two.
Or both, AM. Agreed.
But in most instances they stay unhappily wed -- "for the children!" -- while fucking around.
Then they lecture you and me about getting married.
I could have a serious rant here in a minute about why I think NOT getting married is a better sign of true commitment...
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Neutral President Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:24:41am |
re: #138 freetoken
I think spacejesus posted that earlier today.
I remember one of the comments was "Is that his real hair?"
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theheat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:25:16am |
re: #140 ArchangelMichael
That was me. And, yes, I'm still wondering.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:25:20am |
Guess I'll go down and check out what happened to the AGW thread... probably a mess down there.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:28:57am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:30:20am |
re: #142 freetoken
Guess I'll go down and check out what happened to the AGW thread... probably a mess down there.
Ugly. You don't want to know.
But since I'm being indiscreet anyway, I would advise anyone who looks at that thread to also take a look at the end of the earlier overnight as well.
Very, very ugly.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:31:37am |
Can a crooked election be worse than no election at all?
Apparently some 447 polling stations have already been excluded from the Afghan vote count, representing as much as a 220,000 votes.
How much of this shit will it take for the world to stop the pretence of calling this farce a valid election?
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:32:41am |
re: #137 Cannadian Club Akbar
You need the new "What women say/what women mean" manual.
For certain types of women, that publication issues several editions per year, and is supplemented with many weekly revisions.
I'd prefer it if I could find someone who could read and understand the ancient manual, issued only once, without a single follow up edition or revision, entitled "The Behemoth means what The Behemoth says".
/I know. I'm dreaming.
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Neutral President Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:34:51am |
Oh there's some comedy in the AGW thread.
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UncleRancher Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:34:57am |
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:39:10am |
If an AGW threat pops up, just grab a beer, make some popcorn and click the auto/refresh button.
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theheat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:41:09am |
re: #145 Spare O'Lake
Never liked Karzai. I doubt there's anyone better than, but I still never liked him, the pandering ass. Obviously better than a Talibani, but that's not saying a lot.
I feel as soon as we leave and turn out the lights there, they'll backslide a hundred years. That religious shit is in their DNA, and they're surrounded by extremists. For every day we occupy it, we're delaying the inevitable regression, like plugging holes in a dyke. We're either in for the long haul, or a whole lot of disappointment.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:45:10am |
re: #150 Cannadian Club Akbar
If an AGW threat pops up, just grab a beer, make some popcorn and click the auto/refresh button.
Yes, and I say, lie back and think of LVQ...
hee.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:48:42am |
re: #152 iceweasel
Yes, and I say, lie back and think of LVQ...
hee.
Don't make me break out the water hose.
/
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:53:23am |
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:59:00am |
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:00:19am |
re: #151 theheat
Never liked Karzai. I doubt there's anyone better than, but I still never liked him, the pandering ass. Obviously better than a Talibani, but that's not saying a lot.
I feel as soon as we leave and turn out the lights there, they'll backslide a hundred years. That religious shit is in their DNA, and they're surrounded by extremists. For every day we occupy it, we're delaying the inevitable regression, like plugging holes in a dyke. We're either in for the long haul, or a whole lot of disappointment.
Even the status quo over there is medieval.
80% of the world heroin supply.
War lords/Taliban control most of the country outside of Kabul.
Religious zealotry trumps basic human liberties.
Rampant corruption.
What is the definition of a failed state?
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:00:29am |
re: #144 iceweasel
Ugly. You don't want to know.
Well, I just finished reading it. I only had the last 150 or so comments to plow through. I was pleased to find out that there were several posters who were able to bring a sharp mind to the counter-arguments given.
I already deleted the tab that was last night's overnight thread. Some things are just worth taking up my RAM.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:04:26am |
re: #157 Spare O'Lake
Even the status quo over there is medieval.
80% of the world heroin supply.
War lords/Taliban control most of the country outside of Kabul.
Religious zealotry trumps basic human liberties.
Rampant corruption.
What is the definition of a failed state?
The problem is that Pakistan has nukes. Not sure who Al Queda would go after first, prolly India.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:04:48am |
re: #155 harry catbox
the people down the hall know who we are
and the cosmic horrors what slumber in the oceans depths know what you are
/ur dreems? i taist thems
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theheat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:05:08am |
re: #157 Spare O'Lake
And since the beginning, Karzai has only suggested we send more money. Repeatedly.
Early on, the Russians, having a score to settle, offered their "assistance" in dealing with the problem in Afghanistan. We, being upstanding types with a coalition behind us, declined.
In retrospect, I'd have turned the Russians loose, and sorted out whatever was left standing.
I know. Probably all kinds of barbaric and totally naive of me.
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harry catbox Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:07:37am |
she's filing her nails while their dragging the lakere: #160 Slumbering Behemoth
she's filing her nails while their dragging the lakeshe's filing her nails while their dragging the lake
yet you know not what
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:09:04am |
re: #162 harry catbox
The large moose walks at midnight.
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theheat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:17:47am |
It's after 3 am here, and I have to figure out what work is actually going to get finished.
Been fun. Good night.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:17:48am |
re: #152 iceweasel
Yes, and I say, lie back and think of LVQ...
hee.
Speaking of which doesn't
methane gas
, which is the new wunderkind of GW, come from non-human activities?
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:21:46am |
re: #166 Spare O'Lake
, which is the new wunderkind of GW, come from non-human activities?
Methane comes from both human caused sources (especially agriculture, but also waste dumps) and non-human sources (decaying of dead organisms.)
The paper to which you linked has to do with methane-hydrates, which have been accumulating under the sea for a very many long years.
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haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:27:46am |
re: #164 harry catbox
leaving Afghanistan would be a mistake
Amen! It would be worse than a mistake. It would be a failure of which most people cannot imagine the magnitude. I feel that our presence in Afghanistan is an existential issue for the United States.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:28:10am |
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:37:00am |
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:37:04am |
re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It is quiet.
Too quiet.
Lahkshen keygle,
Lokshen kugel,
Say it either way.
One is sweet,
The other peppered,
Eat some every day.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:38:58am |
re: #172 Spare O'Lake
Lahkshen keygle,
Lokshen kugel,
Say it either way.One is sweet,
The other peppered,
Eat some every day.
I'm afaid to ask what that is.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:39:09am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:39:59am |
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:40:07am |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:41:59am |
I'm watching Big Bang Theory (CBS Show) on my computer. Pretty lame, but I'm giving it a shot. I think I'm going to pull the plug on the third episode though.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:43:10am |
re: #177 TheMatrix31
I think it is a funny show. You have to watch beyond three episodes to get the flow of the characters.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:43:51am |
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:45:15am |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:46:47am |
re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I think it is a funny show. You have to watch beyond three episodes to get the flow of the characters.
Yeah? Maybe I'll give it a few more episodes. I was hooked on Two And A Half Men from the beginning, which I just completed six seasons of in about a month total.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:47:39am |
re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, how about this then: David Corn, traditional "liberal" columnist, writes two (closely related articles) covering the Van Jones mess:
Van Jones and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theory Poison
How 9/11 Conspiracy Poison Did in Van Jones
From the latter:
As far as I can tell, the only thing the so-called 9/11 Truth movement has accomplished is this: it's caused the Obama administration to lose its most prominent expert on green jobs. So well done, Truthers. Thanks to you, the federal government will now be spending about $80 billion on green economy initiatives without the guiding hand of one of the most knowledgeable experts in this field.
[...]
The 9/11 conspiracy theory was just too tempting for many Bush critics. Van Jones says he was not fully aware of what he was signing when he put his John Hancock on that 9/11 petition. This might be true. But I can see how Jones and others on the left--without thinking too much--might have easily said, sure, sign my name to any call for any investigation of Bush and Cheney. And that sloppiness--if that's what it was--has cost him his job.
[...]
The 9/11 theory is only for people who do not understand--or care to understand--how government really works (or doesn't). It's unfortunate that Jones did not stay far from its gravitational pull. I have no idea if he did or did not understand what he was endorsing when he--or an aide--gave the 9/11 Truthers permission to use his name. Still, it's a pity he will no longer be advising the Obama administration on green jobs.
That's an area in which Jones has been a pioneer. Fast Company magazine last year placed him on its list of the "12 Most Creative Minds ...
And from the former:
From here on, I presented a tutorial that should persuade anyone that the 9/11 theory makes no sense. (Click here if you want to see it.) But I have learned from experience that people who believe this stuff are not open to persuasion. (Please do not send me emails, mail me manuscripts, invite me to debates, or post comments accusing me of being a CIA plant.)
David Corn sounds like Charles on this point. Truthers are just poison... which is why all any reasonable person can do is simply show them the door. Same with 'nirthers.
Also from the first link:
At the end of this sad episode, we're left with a victorious Beck waving a scalp. (One prominent conservative tells me he is deeply upset by this, for the last thing he wants to see is Beck's credibility on the right enhanced.) And the circus will continue, with Beck now calling on his followers to dig up dirt on other Obama administration officials, and MSNBC's Keith Olbermann urging his audience to dig up dirt on Beck and Roger Ailes, the head of Fox.
Anyone have a guess who this "prominent conservative" may be?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:48:45am |
re: #181 TheMatrix31
BBT isn't as funny as two and a half men, but the nerds are kind of fun to get to know.
The girl is cute too.
Oops... serious commenting just started. Gotta go read.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:48:53am |
noodle pudding noodle pudding noodle pudding noodle pudding
noodle pudding noodle pudding noodle pudding noodle pudding
noodle pudding noodle pudding noodle pudding noodle pudding
noodle pudding noodle pudding noodle pudding noodle pudding
noodle pudding noodle pudding noodle pudding noodle pudding
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:50:41am |
re: #184 Spare O'Lake
Noodle pudding?
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:51:40am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:52:40am |
re: #182 freetoken
Learn from Van Jones mistake, Troofer asks to speak to you, tell him/her...
1. No I will not sign your petition.
2. You are nuttier than a fruitcake
3. I am finished with you.
I think it's pretty simple.
VJ was stupid for not following the simple three steps listed above.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:54:10am |
re: #188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Learn from Van Jones mistake, Troofer asks to speak to you, tell him/her...
1. No I will not sign your petition.
2. You are nuttier than a fruitcake
3. I am finished with you.I think it's pretty simple.
VJ was stupid for not following the simple three steps listed above.
I like to ask them about the chemtrails.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:54:11am |
re: #182 freetoken
(One prominent conservative tells me he is deeply upset by this, for the last thing he wants to see is Beck's credibility on the right enhanced.)
Probably not somebody interested in running nationally. Sigh.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:58:52am |
Lokshen Kugel = noodle pudding
[Link: www.mfa.gov.il...]
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:00:30am |
re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Corn has lots of connections in the DC good 'ol boy network, so the "conservative" could either be a politician or a columnist.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:00:47am |
re: #191 Spare O'Lake
Lokshen Kugel = noodle pudding
[Link: www.mfa.gov.il...]
Take out the cinnamon and sugar and add parm cheese.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:05:02am |
re: #193 Cannadian Club Akbar
Take out the cinnamon and sugar and add parm cheese.
fettucine afraido?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:05:37am |
Good neighbor (super lib) and I had a few beers last night. I told him that I am not the kind of conservative who doesn't think the Prez should be able to talk to the kids.
He said (gasp)... you guys have plenty to be upset about.
He thinks that the Obama administration is over- reaching in many areas. Thinks that we should focus on that stuff.
My neighbor is smart as hell.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:06:08am |
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:06:33am |
All of you hoarding gold bars, rejoice!
Gold vaults $1,000/oz, momentum overwhelms
Gold powered through the $1,000 per ounce psychological barrier on Tuesday, carried by a wave of pent-up technical momentum and dollar weakness, with some analysts eyeing last year's record high at $1,030.80.Some investors were also seeing gold as a caveat to stock market bullishness as they fret about the result of central banks and governments pumping billions of dollars into banking systems to boost growth.
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razorbacker Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:07:32am |
The decline of poetry:
Poetry doesn't have to rhyme, anymore. That makes it prose.
Astronmr 20:
Congratulations. See you in six months.
Kids:
I'm with Rita Rudner. The warnings on liquor bottles regarding alcohol abuse and fetal abnormalities are so ironic, given that so many children are conceived due to alcohol abuse.
The wife came home and was telling me a story about this six year old boy and his twelve year old sister. The boy had found a frog and decided it would make a good friend. The sister offered $100 if the boy would eat the frog. The boy considers, then says that he'd rather have the friend than $100. My question is, where does a twelve year old girl get $100 to throw around?
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:11:01am |
re: #199 razorbacker
The decline of poetry:
Poetry doesn't have to rhyme, anymore. That makes it prose.Astronmr 20:
Congratulations. See you in six months.Kids:
I'm with Rita Rudner. The warnings on liquor bottles regarding alcohol abuse and fetal abnormalities are so ironic, given that so many children are conceived due to alcohol abuse.The wife came home and was telling me a story about this six year old boy and his twelve year old sister. The boy had found a frog and decided it would make a good friend. The sister offered $100 if the boy would eat the frog. The boy considers, then says that he'd rather have the friend than $100. My question is, where does a twelve year old girl get $100 to throw around?
She probably didn't have $100. Just wanted to see if he would eat it. Besides, if he did eat it and she didn't pay, what is he gonna do? He's 6.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:11:14am |
Spot silver is up to $16.75/oz. Time to go sell another roll of silver dollars...
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razorbacker Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:16:05am |
re: #200 Cannadian Club Akbar
She probably didn't have $100. Just wanted to see if he would eat it. Besides, if he did eat it and she didn't pay, what is he gonna do? He's 6.
Who knows? He did offer to eat a handful of dirt for $100. She declined, saying anyone would eat dirt for $100. So he asked why she kept offering him money to eat weird stuff and she said there wasn't any fun in seeing him eat normal stuff.
This probably sounds strange, to childless people or those with only one kid. As the oldest of six, I don't find it the least bit odd. If you can't get a laugh out of your younger siblings, what are they there for, anyway?
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:28:36am |
BTW, PJM founder Roger L. Simon is praising Glenn Beck:
...People trust Beck and they don’t trust the NYT. Beck may be biased, but he’s honest about it...
Beck "honest" about his biases? Ha!
Oh, and guess what the first comment is:
1. Steve:
You didn’t mention that PJM co-founder Charles Johnson dissembled on Van Jones behalf. Van Jones signed a petition by an organization called 911truth.org. How CJ could think that Van Jones didn’t know it was a truther petition is beyond belief.Sep 7, 2009 - 10:29 am
Or how about the fifth comment?
5. Calvin Ball:
Steve, CJ is no longer (and hasn’t been for a long time) associated with PJM. And I agree, he’s really gone over the deep end in the past year. The guy is bordering on nutcase right now. I used to go there frequently. Now, I occasionally go there for the links bulletin board. I don’t bother with CJ’s articles. I don’t need the 87th article on the “nirthers”, or the 349th article on the creationists. It’s not as if there aren’t any important issues to to be writing about.He’s obsessed, and bordering on pathological.
Sep 7, 2009 - 11:23 am
Or the 7th:
7. myna:
I don’t go there anymore. CJ has been obsessing with creationists and birthers. He sounds more like Bill Maher lately.Sep 7, 2009 - 12:21 pm
I suppose there will be more.
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:31:39am |
We are seeing a media coup d'etat.
Beck and his ilk have hijacked the Republican Party, just as Walter Cronkite and comrades hijacked the Democrats in 1968. I hope it doesn't take 40 years to undo this one.
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razorbacker Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:32:52am |
Folks, that's me for today.
For, while you may delay a Monday be 24 hours, sooner or later the week has to begin.
It'll feel like Monday all day, I'll bet.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:33:14am |
re: #205 taxfreekiller
The head of NOAA is Jane Lubchenco, who is held in very high esteem by her colleagues as well as the political establishment.
Is there something you find wrong with her?
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yochanan Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:53:33am |
As Andrew Breitbart put it, “For most people in this country, the resignation was the first they had heard of Van Jones. For this sin of journalistic omission, there's institutional media blame. Bias is too tame a word for the utter shamelessness on display: Only Republican scandals - real and imagined - matter.”
van jones on 9-13-01 said because of our bombs on iraq we deserved it. so he by his own words said we were a deserver just like rev wright.
how many of these hate america clowns does the GREAT AND WONDERFUL ZERO have to appoint, hang around with or get married by do we have to have to really question his belief system?
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:56:56am |
re: #210 yochanan
Hey, yoch? Van Jones is gone.
Why not check out Jeff Jones, another one of FCBBHO's advisers?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:59:06am |
re: #208 freetoken
The head of NOAA is Jane Lubchenco, who is held in very high esteem by her colleagues as well as the political establishment.
Is there something you find wrong with her?
Gee. She got the Heniz Award, just like the Ehrliches.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:00:20am |
re: #211 MandyManners
Hey, yoch? Van Jones is gone.
Why not check out Jeff Jones, another one of FCBBHO's advisers?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Who seems to be even worse than VJ.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:00:39am |
re: #210 yochanan
van jones on 9-13-01 said because of our bombs on iraq we deserved it. so he by his own words said we were a deserver just like rev wright.
Well, that is not exactly what Van Jones said.
On the larger issue... there are thousands of political appointees in an administration. How many of them ever get closely scrutinized in the popular press? Only a handful. Heck, there are Secretaries of Departments that people haven't even heard of... Quick, can you name off the top of your head all the Secretaries of all the Departments?
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:01:14am |
re: #213 MandyManners
All three of them are notable in their fields.
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yochanan Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:03:19am |
the MSM'S news programing isn't all that different from it's cultural shows which are still in the we all love and fawn over the zero mode.
van jones is what i would call a DESERVER and a full blown bush hater how much of jump is it between being a deserver to a truther? i think he did in fact sign it as a deserver and his denial is just CYA SMOKE.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:04:53am |
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yochanan Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:04:55am |
re: #215 freetoken
CLOSE ENOUGH WASN'T A WORD FOR WORD QUOTE.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:05:47am |
re: #216 freetoken
All three of them are notable in their fields.
Do you mean Paul and Anne Ehrlich, Holdren and Hansen?
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:06:14am |
re: #217 yochanan
the MSM'S news programing isn't all that different from it's cultural shows which are still in the we all love and fawn over the zero mode.
van jones is what i would call a DESERVER and a full blown bush hater how much of jump is it between being a deserver to a truther? i think he did in fact sign it as a deserver and his denial is just CYA SMOKE.
Earth to Yoch! Earth to Yoch!
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opnion Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:08:26am |
re: #217 yochanan
the MSM'S news programing isn't all that different from it's cultural shows which are still in the we all love and fawn over the zero mode.
van jones is what i would call a DESERVER and a full blown bush hater how much of jump is it between being a deserver to a truther? i think he did in fact sign it as a deserver and his denial is just CYA SMOKE.
Good morning all. If you sign a petition for 911truth.org, you might think that it is for truthers.
Fitrst he would'nt admit signing it, then they added more to the petition & finally "I did'nt read it carefully."
Lawyers are the most careful readers on the planet.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:10:22am |
One thing to remember, MM, is the question: who is pulling whose cart?
When a social/political organization gives an award to a scientist after that scientist has become an established leader in their field, the honor flows both ways. I have often felt that when some organizations give awards what they are really looking for is extending their field of contacts in society. Other than the Nobel prize (or its equivalent in mathematics),or a Presidential or Congressional medal, most awards aren't going to enhance someone who is already seen as a leader.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:11:17am |
re: #218 MandyManners
Ya' think?! Have you read his Wiki?
No idea actually. I was goin' off what you posted yesterday (the other day?).
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:13:27am |
BTW, one of the minor victories for the side of morality among the right-o-sphere is seeing that some websites have dropped Pat Buchanan.
I was wondering if Pat did a follow up to his horrendous article on WWII... and couldn't find him on Townhall.
Anyway, I checked Pat's own website, which I haven't done in quite a while. I was surprised to see how far off into la-la land he has drifted, with full blown support for Ron Paul, etc.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:14:15am |
re: #226 TheMatrix31
No idea actually. I was goin' off what you posted yesterday (the other day?).
I re-posted
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
His Wiki
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:16:06am |
re: #223 freetoken
No. Lubchenco, Hansen, and Holdren.
Yeah, the Heinz Award. From Teresa Heinz Kerry.
I bet if I did a check of all the recipients, I'd find a pack of Lefties.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:17:53am |
Wow. Who pissed in my Post Toasties this morning?
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:18:19am |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:20:25am |
re: #228 MandyManners
I re-posted
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
His Wiki
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Wow, this guy's a real piece of shit.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:21:43am |
At Buchanan's website, the latest article is written by Paul Craig Roberts, on the release of the photos of the wounded (and subsequently dead) soldier by the AP.
Quoting Roberts:
...To stem opposition to its wars, the War Department hides signs of American casualties from the public. Angry that evidence escaped the censor, the War Secretary and the American Legion attacked with politically correct jargon: “insensitive,” “offended,” and the “anguish,” “pain and suffering” inflicted upon the Marine’s family. The War Department sounds like it is preparing a harassment tort.
Isn’t this passing the buck? The Marine lost his life not because of the Associated Press and a photographer, but because of the war criminals – Gates, Bush, Cheney, Obama, and the US Congress that supports wars of naked aggression that serve no American purpose, but which keeps campaign coffers filled with contributions from the armaments companies.
...
Not a single reference to the fact that the family of the slain soldier didn't want the photos released.
What a putrid backwater pool of "conservatives" that group has become.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:22:08am |
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haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:22:48am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:23:08am |
re: #231 JamesTKirk
Not me. I was in bed.
So was I. I got up to find my cereal all soggy and smelly.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:23:14am |
re: #234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
re: #231 JamesTKirkNot me. I was in bed....in bed.
That's what she said.
In my bed.
[Link: hiyooo.com...]
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:23:34am |
re: #232 TheMatrix31
Wow, this guy's a real piece of shit.
I don't like that phrase so, I'll just stick to fucking commie.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:24:12am |
re: #238 MandyManners
I don't like that phrase so, I'll just stick to fucking commie.
Don't fuck commies. They'd want to spread the love equally among everyone.
/
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:24:49am |
re: #239 thedopefishlives
Don't fuck commies. They'd want to spread the love equally among everyone.
/
I had to up-ding you before I left.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:24:53am |
[Link: news.aol.com...]
Dad Arrested for Kissing His Daughter
(Sept. 7) - Italian diplomats are trying to secure the release of an Italian businessman who was arrested in Brazil after he was seen kissing his 8-year-old daughter in public.
The 48-year-old man was arrested Sept. 2 and could face eight to 15 years in prison if convicted under a tough new law designed to crack down on child abuse, BBC News reported Monday.
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:25:11am |
re: #233 freetoken
At Buchanan's website, the latest article is written by Paul Craig Roberts, on the release of the photos of the wounded (and subsequently dead) soldier by the AP.
Quoting Roberts:
Not a single reference to the fact that the family of the slain soldier didn't want the photos released.
What a putrid backwater pool of "conservatives" that group has become.
Remarkable. Roberts's screed could have been lifted verbatim from a communist website.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:25:13am |
re: #241 MandyManners
I had to up-ding you before I left.
Thanks. Good morning, by the way (when you get back).
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:25:36am |
re: #242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Italian diplomats are trying to secure the release of an Italian businessman who was arrested in Brazil after he was seen kissing his 8-year-old daughter in public. The 48-year-old man was arrested Sept. 2 and could face eight to 15 years in prison if convicted under a tough new law designed to crack down on child abuse, BBC News reported Monday.
WTF?!?!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:27:20am |
re: #242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
[Link: news.aol.com...]
Dad Arrested for Kissing His Daughter
(Sept. 7) - Italian diplomats are trying to secure the release of an Italian businessman who was arrested in Brazil after he was seen kissing his 8-year-old daughter in public.
The 48-year-old man was arrested Sept. 2 and could face eight to 15 years in prison if convicted under a tough new law designed to crack down on child abuse, BBC News reported Monday.
I understand the intent - they probably thought he was a pedophile and intended on busting him for that. But seriously? I'm almost afraid to become a parent, wondering what laws I'm going to get convicted under for disciplining my children.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:27:47am |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:27:51am |
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:28:33am |
re: #243 Shiplord Kirel
Remarkable. Roberts's screed could have been lifted verbatim from a communist website.
They (Roberts, Buchanan, and their supporters) are becoming some sort of mixture of neo-confederates and anarchists. The rhetoric used is similar to any extremist group seeking to portray itself as the minority victim against the majority establishment. Perhaps this is why it sounds similar to a "communist" propaganda piece.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:29:36am |
re: #247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Read it...Unintended consequences...
That still doesn't excuse the idiots for not having released him yet once it became known that it was perfectly innocent and his daughter.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:30:46am |
Slow this morning. Is everyone fighting on one of the older threads, or just recovering from the long weekend.
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Koyaanistaaqa Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:31:01am |
re: #225 freetoken
One thing to remember, MM, is the question: who is pulling whose cart?
When a social/political organization gives an award to a scientist after that scientist has become an established leader in their field, the honor flows both ways. I have often felt that when some organizations give awards what they are really looking for is extending their field of contacts in society. Other than the Nobel prize (or its equivalent in mathematics),or a Presidential or Congressional medal, most awards aren't going to enhance someone who is already seen as a leader.
Nobel.
/Noble.
Albert Arnold (Al) Gore Jr.
1/2 of the prize
[Link: nobelprize.org...]
Gore Carbon Offsets, Lubchenco catch-shares.
/Pew.
Cap-And-Trade: Al Gore's Cash Cow
[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]
Enviro group steps up 'catch share' push
[Link: www.gloucestertimes.com...]
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:31:17am |
re: #251 JamesTKirk
Slow this morning. Is everyone fighting on one of the older threads, or just recovering from the long weekend.
Recovering from the long weekend. I OD'd on fried goodness at the state fair.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:33:17am |
re: #251 JamesTKirk
To quote the entertaining Bill Bryson after a very late night..
"Where coffee, where?!"
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:33:50am |
re: #253 thedopefishlives
Recovering from the long weekend. I OD'd on fried goodness at the state fair.
I had insufficient sleep and fluid intake over the weekend (after giving blood last week), so I'm also in recovery. Fortunately, my doctor ("Dammit Jim!") prescribes Saurian Brandy for everything.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:34:50am |
re: #256 JamesTKirk
I had insufficient sleep and fluid intake over the weekend (after giving blood last week), so I'm also in recovery. Fortunately, my doctor ("Dammit Jim!") prescribes Saurian Brandy for everything.
It doesn't help any that I finished all my work early last week, and so I'm sitting here utterly bored without anything assigned to do.
*whistles innocently*
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:35:40am |
re: #246 thedopefishlives
But seriously? I'm almost afraid to become a parent, wondering what laws I'm going to get convicted under for disciplining my children.
Get a digital camera. Develop any film of your child taking his first bath or anything else perfectly innocent and get ready to have a conversation with Officer Friendly.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:36:23am |
re: #257 thedopefishlives
It doesn't help any that I finished all my work early last week, and so I'm sitting here utterly bored without anything assigned to do.
*whistles innocently*
Whenever I complain of being bored, I get attacked by those Klingon bastards again. So I just keep my mouth shut.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:38:17am |
re: #258 JamesTKirk
Get a digital camera. Develop any film of your child taking his first bath or anything else perfectly innocent and get ready to have a conversation with Officer Friendly.
Thankfully, I'm young and hip enough that I at least make a passing attempt at keeping up with the tech curve.
re: #259 JamesTKirk
Whenever I complain of being bored, I get attacked by those Klingon bastards again. So I just keep my mouth shut.
Heh. Says the Fish: "I'm bored." Says the Mrs. Fish: "Why don't you go do something useful, like wash the dishes or scrub the kitchen floor?" Says the Fish: "Oh look, not so bored anymore!"
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freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:39:07am |
File under "clash of different generations":
France to oppose Google book scheme
Google’s ambitious plans to scan millions of books and make them readable through its search engine suffered another blow on Monday after France said it would formally oppose the US settlement that Google needs to circumvent complex copyright issues.
France’s objections came as policymakers and interest groups met on Monday in Brussels to discuss the possibility of establishing a European framework that would give it permission to scan entire libraries in Europe. [...]
I find Google Books to be fascinating.
Lately I've been reading early 20th century photography journals, which have articles by the greats such as Steichen, Weston, etc. I can download PDFs of entire journals.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:39:52am |
re: #255 Spenser (with an S)
To quote the entertaining Bill Bryson after a very late night..
"Where coffee, where?!"
coffee here.
Enjoy!
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:41:54am |
re: #262 reine.de.tout
re: #255 Spenser (with an S)To quote the entertaining Bill Bryson after a very late night..
"Where coffee, where?!"
coffee here.
Enjoy!
Merci.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:42:38am |
re: #260 thedopefishlives
Thankfully, I'm young and hip enough that I at least make a passing attempt at keeping up with the tech curve.
I guess that tip's a little out of date. I heard it from a friend several years ago, speaking from experience.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:43:52am |
re: #260 thedopefishlives
re: #259 JamesTKirkWhenever I complain of being bored, I get attacked by those Klingon bastards again. So I just keep my mouth shut.Heh. Says the Fish: "I'm bored." Says the Mrs. Fish: "Why don't you go do something useful, like wash the dishes or scrub the kitchen floor?" Says the Fish: "Oh look, not so bored anymore!"
Your wife is a Klingon?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:44:21am |
re: #265 JamesTKirk
Your wife is a Klingon?
Well, she sure clings on to me sometimes, if you know what I mean.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:45:56am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:47:37am |
re: #267 JamesTKirk
four repeated letters are more automatically become three...
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:47:59am |
re: #267 JamesTKirk
(For some reason, LGF removed an "O" from that the last time I linked it.)
And they did it AGAIN. That's supposed to be FOUR O's.
(I noticed last week when I wrote "KHAAAN!!" with many A's that LGF reduced the A's to three. Apparently Charles doesn't allow more than three of any letter in a row.)
Test:
Hiyoooo!!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:48:00am |
re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
even "or more".
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:48:32am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:50:17am |
re: #272 JamesTKirk
OK, I worked out how to cheat. #271 works.
Heh. What's ironic is that the version with 3 O's actually goes to something.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:50:37am |
re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
four repeated letters are more automatically become three...
Yeah, I discovered that last week. But, as you can see from #271, I've already worked out how to cheat. After the Kobayashi Maru test, this was easy.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:51:19am |
re: #273 thedopefishlives
Heh. What's ironic is that the version with 3 O's actually goes to something.
[Link: www.dramabutton.com...]
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:52:18am |
Well!!
Hope ya'll had a great weekend!
Mine was eventful to say the least!
Violent storms , big wins at the Casino...And assualted by a Moobat
drooling O bamatron!
At least when I was released from the Hospital I didn't go striaght to jail!!
Gee,let'd do this again honey...real soon!
NOT!
I'm not leaving the home again till Thanksgiving!
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:53:09am |
re: #276 reloadingisnotahobby
And assualted by a Moobat
drooling O bamatron!
Did you count your fingers afterward?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:53:58am |
re: #276 reloadingisnotahobby
Well!!
Hope ya'll had a great weekend!
Mine was eventful to say the least!
Violent storms , big wins at the Casino...And assualted by a Moobat
drooling O bamatron!
At least when I was released from the Hospital I didn't go striaght to jail!!
Gee,let'd do this again honey...real soon!
NOT!
I'm not leaving the home again till Thanksgiving!
Story time!
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:55:53am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:56:20am |
Everybody take a minute and think a nice thought for Albusteve.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:56:30am |
Good morning, y'all. Hope you had a nice labor day weekend.
On the docket today: mop up the 1/2 inch of water that has accumulated in half the basement thanks to a clogged drain for the washing machine. >
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:57:00am |
re: #281 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Everybody take a minute and think a nice thought for Albusteve.
(((green women)))...
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:58:18am |
re: #282 MrSilverDragon
On the docket today: mop up the 1/2 inch of water that has accumulated in half the basement thanks to a clogged drain for the washing machine. >
Crap. It isn't a finished basement, is it?
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lincolntf Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:58:54am |
Morning all.
I guess today officially marks the end of Wee-Wee's Lost Summer. Hopefully the fall won't be such a fiasco. Lately, I've actually been feeling embarassed for him every time he speaks.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:59:11am |
re: #276 reloadingisnotahobby
If you add a tiger and Mike Tyson, I saw that movie a few weeks ago.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:01:16am |
re: #285 lincolntf
Hopefully the fall won't be such a fiasco.
Well, pride cometh before the fall, and noone ever said O wasn't full of himself.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:01:26am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:01:55am |
re: #289 thedopefishlives
Well, I'm not pulling his finger.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:02:30am |
I don't think our kids will have to watch Obama because it's the first day of school here and will be very busy, but I explained a few ground rules. Whatever you've heard Mommy and Daddy say about the President's bad ideas, we don't boo the President in public because the Office is very important and deserves respect.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:02:33am |
re: #287 FrogMarch
Hi all.
No. Only Congress can. The question is whether he can get them to pass it, in some form that he can (1) sign and (2) take credit for.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:02:36am |
re: #279 thedopefishlives
A friend...post friend...
Wouldn't leave me alone and ranted how GREAT things will be
now that the "O" is here to SAVE us and the WORLD!!
I was having a great time and wasn't going to let him ruin my luck or my buzz...He went off on how WHITE people this and WHITE people that etc...etc... I pointed out to him.".I get it,you hate white people,I'm white I get it you racist fuck "I got up to walk away...for the third time, and got blind sided in the throat!
He is Native American,and BIG!
It went south from there!!
Then!!to top it off the officer who took my statement was an
Native American woman!@!!
I thought...I'm fucked!
I wound up with a fractured Tyroid Cartilage...I have no idea
what I did to him...Nor do I care...for now!
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:02:58am |
re: #284 Spenser (with an S)
Crap. It isn't a finished basement, is it?
Fortunately, that side is not finished.
Unfortunately, I had cardboard boxes filled with books on that side.
C'est la vie.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:03:02am |
re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, I'm not pulling his finger.
At least he'd still have the finger when you were done.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:04:00am |
re: #294 MrSilverDragon
Fortunately, that side is not finished.
Unfortunately, I had cardboard boxes filled with books on that side.
C'est la vie.
Dinged in sympathy.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:04:39am |
re: #289 thedopefishlives
At the moment, I don't think he could even pass gas successfully.
What about a kidney stone or a basketball?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:04:44am |
re: #293 reloadingisnotahobby
OUCH. Well, I'm glad you made it through intact. I would say I'm sorry for the loss of a friend, but if he's that big of an idiot, one has to wonder how long that was going to last anyway.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:05:05am |
re: #289 thedopefishlives
At the moment, I don't think he could even pass gas successfully.
/What we need is what Obama can deliver: Speeches, insincere buzzwords, and boring soaring rhetoric.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:07:09am |
re: #292 JamesTKirk
No. Only Congress can. The question is whether he can get them to pass it, in some form that he can (1) sign and (2) take credit for.
The entire point is for Obama to take credit. (and to further us down the road to socialism in any stealth way possible.) That's why the thing wont kick in until after the 2012 election.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:07:18am |
re: #281 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Everybody take a minute and think a nice thought for Albusteve.
Is he doing OK?
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:07:23am |
re: #298 thedopefishlives
Odd...When they handcuffed him people applauded !
Yet security and the police treated me like a piece of shit!!
If I had the time I'd have the whole investigated but I've got more to do than waste time on it!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:07:54am |
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:08:27am |
re: #297 TheMatrix31
or a basketball
I loathe Bill Maher, but I did get a chuckle (mostly about how the O is starting to let his supporters down) over this...
Time magazine is reporting that since he became president, Barack Obama has taken up golf with a passion, playing almost every weekend for the past few months -- and I feel betrayed. He campaigned as a basketball player. It said to us, "I'm urban and athletic and hip and a team player." Golf says, "I like Lipitor and white collar crime."
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:08:58am |
I'm wondering about a few people I haven't seen...GMSC for one..
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LoquaciousLady Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:10:47am |
re: #291 Spenser (with an S)
I don't think our kids will have to watch Obama because it's the first day of school here and will be very busy, but I explained a few ground rules. Whatever you've heard Mommy and Daddy say about the President's bad ideas, we don't boo the President in public because the Office is very important and deserves respect.
I didn't say anything to the first grader. If I had, he'd probably pay attention otherwise here's the conversation...
Me: How was your day?
Kid: Good
Me: Did anything happen?
Kid: I went to recess.
Me: You didn't do anything else all day?
Kid: I don't know, maybe work and stuff...it was boooring. I can to go to the store to get a toy?
Me: No. Did the president of the United States talk to you on TV?
Kid: Yeah.
Me: What was it about?
Kid: I dunno. He said nice stuff.
Me: Okay.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:11:53am |
re: #306 LoquaciousLady
Kid: I dunno. He said nice stuff.
That was all it took to get people to vote for him last time.
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lurking faith Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:12:58am |
re: #282 MrSilverDragon
Good morning, y'all. Hope you had a nice labor day weekend.
On the docket today: mop up the 1/2 inch of water that has accumulated in half the basement thanks to a clogged drain for the washing machine. >
My sympathy. After sad experience, my family learned to pack books in garbage bags inside the boxes. Then my dad built shelves; nothing got stored directly on the basement floor if we could help it.
And the real estate agent wonders why I'm not delirious with joy when I see a house with a second floor laundry room.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:12:59am |
re: #307 JamesTKirk
That was all it took to get people to vote for him last time.
Hope and change man, hope and change.
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LoquaciousLady Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:13:20am |
re: #307 JamesTKirk
That was all it took to get people to vote for him last time.
I've got twelve years to counter this one. First grader is not interested in anything that doesn't have a car involved.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:14:16am |
re: #310 LoquaciousLady
I've got twelve years to counter this one. First grader is not interested in anything that doesn't have a car involved.
"Cash for Clunkers"
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:14:48am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:16:01am |
re: #94 Slumbering Behemoth
Well, there is that old saying, eh?"Not all men are idiots. Some are bachelors".
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LoquaciousLady Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:17:11am |
re: #311 JamesTKirk
"Cash for Clunkers"
First grader only cares about Mustangs, all I have to do is tell him "O" is getting people to ruin their 1990-2000 Mustangs and "O" will be finished in his eyes.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:17:29am |
re: #313 JamesTKirk
[Link: i745.photobucket.com...]
I think that's the topper we had on our wedding cake.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:18:43am |
Having been Sooo busy all weekend,any body see the "O"'s
speach at the griculture Fair...?I caught glimpes this morning on he news ...Just saw all the Sheep!
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:21:12am |
Good morning kampers, my name is Hugo Chavez; my pals and I are here to help your President Obama:
He's intelligent, he has good intentions and we have to help him.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:23:54am |
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:25:18am |
Deeply Divided House Democrats Return to Work -- and the Same Set of Problems
And progressives, who are demanding the most far-reaching reform since the Great Depression, are still threatening to bring down the legislation if it does not contain a robust version of the public option.
So let me get this straight: The progressives are going to kill-off any real reform to health care if they don't get their government run "public option"?
(trojan horse for single payer) Admitted here by Keith Ellison.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:26:40am |
re: #321 FrogMarch
Deeply Divided House Democrats Return to Work -- and the Same Set of Problems
So let me get this straight: The progressives are going to kill-off any real reform to health care if they don't get their government run "public option"?
(trojan horse for single payer) Admitted here by Keith Ellison.
The progressives aren't in any better position to negotiate than the Republicans are. After the backlash on the current incarnation of Obamacare, even the Democrats have got to be thinking twice about forcing a public option down our throats.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:26:59am |
re: #321 FrogMarch
Deeply Divided House Democrats Return to Work -- and the Same Set of Problems
So let me get this straight: The progressives are going to kill-off any real reform to health care if they don't get their government run "public option"?
(trojan horse for single payer) Admitted here by Keith Ellison.
Good, bring it down then.
Bring it on, bitches.
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kansas Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:27:39am |
From Powerline
No Investigation This Time
September 8, 2009 Posted by John at 7:13 AM
When President Obama's speech to school children became controversial, the press was quick to remind us that President George H.W. Bush had done the same thing in 1991. What they didn't often mention, however, was the Democrats' reaction. Byron York reminds us:
Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue. ...
The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.
With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"
Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech.
The GAO concluded that Bush's speech was "legal," but that didn't stop the National Education Association from denouncing it.
The controversy eventually died down and seems to have been forgotten, not only by the press that reported it but by the Democrats who denigrate those Republicans who question Obama's speech.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:28:40am |
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:28:55am |
Good morning, lizards.
An overcast morning here, looks like we might be getting some rain.
How's everyone?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:29:36am |
re: #326 Irish Rose
Good morning, lizards.
An overcast morning here, looks like we might be getting some rain.How's everyone?
Doing well, {Rose}. Bright and sunny here in the wild north country, though it looks like we're due for rain starting late tonight and into tomorrow. 'Twas a beautiful weekend to wrap up our state fair, though.
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LoquaciousLady Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:29:36am |
re: #324 kansas
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you...
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kansas Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:30:32am |
re: #328 LoquaciousLady
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you...
Do unto others as they have done unto you and ye shall get elected.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:32:54am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:33:09am |
re: #328 LoquaciousLady
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you...
That might work for Sulu; but the things I do unto others, it's anatomically impossible for them to do back unto me.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:33:28am |
re: #322 thedopefishlives
The progressives aren't in any better position to negotiate than the Republicans are. After the backlash on the current incarnation of Obamacare, even the Democrats have got to be thinking twice about forcing a public option down our throats.
The progressives are part of the party in power. The problem is - how short sided can they afford to be. Mid-terms are not that far away. But the dems hold all the seats - and they have all the votes.
(IMO) I think all of most of the democrats would do it - if they could just find a way to camouflage the thing.
The problem is - the dems are finding out that we the people are paying attention.
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LoquaciousLady Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:33:28am |
re: #329 kansas
Do unto others as they have done unto you and ye shall get elected.
That just might work, maybe Glen Beck got the memo.
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:33:53am |
re: #326 Irish Rose
Cloudy here, too.
Trying to catch my semi-feral kitty, who is limping and needs to see the vet. I think she caught her nails on the bed covers when she jumped off.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:34:48am |
re: #335 MandyManners
The NEA sucks.
Let me rephrase: The NEA has done more to hurt the state of education in this country than just about anyone or anything in our entire history as a nation...
Okay, let's stick with your short version.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:35:05am |
re: #326 Irish Rose
Morning, Rose. How are you? Did you enjoy the picture-perfect weather this weekend?
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kansas Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:36:46am |
re: #333 LoquaciousLady
That just might work, maybe Glen Beck got the memo.
What he reported on Van Jones turned out to be accurate. FYI I don't watch or listen to him. The only place I hear about him is here.
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:36:56am |
re: #332 FrogMarch
The progressives are part of the party in power. The problem is - how short sided can they afford to be. Mid-terms are not that far away. But the dems hold all the seats - and they have all the votes.
(IMO) I think all of most of the democrats would do it - if they could just find a way to camouflage the thing.
The problem is - the dems are finding out that we the people are paying attention.
It's a different story now compared to this winter and spring. People are paying attention and most are no longer so enamored of Obama that they take his word on it.
They have all the votes to do anything they want. The fact they they have not, speaks volumes.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:37:25am |
re: #330 MandyManners
Happy Birthday, Peter!
For shame. The Steve Martin version, not one of the Peter Sellers openings?
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kansas Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:37:57am |
re: #339 VioletTiger
It's a different story now compared to this winter and spring. People are paying attention and most are no longer so enamored of Obama that they take his word on it.
They have all the votes to do anything they want. The fact they they have not, speaks volumes.
They want their cushy jobs and obscene perks.
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LoquaciousLady Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:38:46am |
re: #338 kansas
What he reported on Van Jones turned out to be accurate. FYI I don't watch or listen to him. The only place I hear about him is here.
I'm referring to the shrill freaking out about everything.
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Coracle Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:39:33am |
re: #324 kansas
Bu, but, but, but they did it first! Way to take the high ground.
Wrong then, wrong now.
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:41:22am |
re: #344 Coracle
Bu, but, but, but they did it first! Way to take the high ground.
Wrong then, wrong now.
I don't think that was her/his point. I think it was to remind people that we've seen this before, not to say that it's okay because it was done before.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:41:35am |
re: #326 Irish Rose
By the way, Rose, I think you missed my answer to your question last week about the Bouzouki player at Meijer Gardens. I'm a slow typist, so I dug it up from last week...
re: #904 Irish Rose
re: #888 Spenser (with an S)
May have known him, who was playing?
Crap, I knew you were going to ask... He was a Busker who Ralston Bowles (do you know of him?) heard playing in downtown Grand Rapids. Turns out he was an Irishman who married a local girl and was singing very well. So, Ralston had him open for himself and some others at the free concert tues. night. It was a beautiful sunset, good music, 1600 people in the "bowl" enjoying it. My kids did too.
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Coracle Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:41:51am |
re: #342 taxfreekiller
You are an authority on that, for sure.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:42:22am |
re: #340 JamesTKirk
For shame. The Steve Martin version, not one of the Peter Sellers openings?
WHAT?
I didn't watch the whole clip. I just listened.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:42:47am |
re: #339 VioletTiger
It's a different story now compared to this winter and spring. People are paying attention and most are no longer so enamored of Obama that they take his word on it.
They have all the votes to do anything they want. The fact they they have not, speaks volumes.
It does.
Walking that tightrope. The dems don't want to lose power, but they want all those progressive big government goodies. (cake and eating it too) Like I said, the democrats would push the single payer/public option - if they could just find a way to smother the crap cake in delicious rhetorical frosting and sneak it past us.
*If it's so urgent - why doesn't the thing kick in until 2013? oh yeah - there's this big election in 2012.
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LoquaciousLady Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:42:56am |
re: #344 Coracle
Bu, but, but, but they did it first! Way to take the high ground.
Wrong then, wrong now.
I believe the high ground led to minority status for generations. It's ugly all around.
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Coracle Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:42:59am |
re: #346 VioletTiger
I don't think that was her/his point. I think it was to remind people that we've seen this before, not to say that it's okay because it was done before.
I agree that may not have been kansas' point. But I'm not so sure about powerline.
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opnion Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:43:08am |
re: #336 thedopefishlives
Let me rephrase: The NEA has done more to hurt the state of education in this country than just about anyone or anything in our entire history as a nation...
Okay, let's stick with your short version.
They have indeed hurt children. No merit pay is permitted.
In Chicago, they do not even have to test out in their subject.
Yesterday we honored labor & Unions, but niot this one.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:43:34am |
re: #283 JamesTKirk
(((green women)))...
Last weekend, one of my friends told me that a side effect of Viagra is partial color blindness (blue-green, I think). I told him that's no good-- why would I want to sleep with a gray Orion slave woman?
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:44:17am |
re: #351 FrogMarch
It does.
Walking that tightrope. The dems don't want to lose power, but they want all those progressive big government goodies. (cake and eating it too) Like I said, the democrats would push the single payer/public option - if they could just find a way to smother the crap cake in delicious rhetorical frosting and sneak it past us.*If it's so urgent - why doesn't the thing kick in until 2013? oh yeah - there's this big election in 2012.
The cake is a lie.
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KenJen Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:44:43am |
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Coracle Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:45:09am |
re: #355 JamesTKirk
Last weekend, one of my friends told me that a side effect of Viagra is partial color blindness (blue-green, I think). I told him that's no good-- why would I want to sleep with a gray Orion slave woman?
Man, that also means the only way you'd be able to tell them from the Andorians would be the antennae. That would be rough.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:45:36am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:45:58am |
re: #354 opnion
Yesterday we honored labor & Unions, but [not] this one.
Last time my wife and I had a Labor from a Union, we had a son. Spent yesterday with him.
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opnion Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:46:27am |
re: #338 kansas
What he reported on Van Jones turned out to be accurate. FYI I don't watch or listen to him. The only place I hear about him is here.
Me too, all I know about Glen Beeck is from LGF.
The whole Van Jones thing was accurate, but many like to think
of it as a Right Wing Witch hunt. That is not what happened.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:46:34am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:46:40am |
re: #358 Coracle
Man, that also means the only way you'd be able to tell them from the Andorians would be the antennae. That would be rough.
And you don't want to make that mistake. Andorians have four genders.
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haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:46:41am |
re: #249 freetoken
They (Roberts, Buchanan, and their supporters) are becoming some sort of mixture of neo-confederates and anarchists. The rhetoric used is similar to any extremist group seeking to portray itself as the minority victim against the majority establishment. Perhaps this is why it sounds similar to a "communist" propaganda piece.
This is a good thing. They are clearly not whatever we (in rough terms) are. So what are they and what are we? With the single exception of the term "conservative", we have nothing in common with those fascists. I know Zombie was trying to develop a "new model" of the model used as shorthand for political alignment. Anything come of that? And in the small picture, we need some terms to separate ourselves from the Buchananites not only in our eyes, but in theirs, as well as the larger world.
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LoquaciousLady Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:47:08am |
re: #354 opnion
They have indeed hurt children. No merit pay is permitted.
In Chicago, they do not even have to test out in their subject.
Yesterday we honored labor & Unions, but niot this one.
I think NEA, SEIU, and UAW are great arguments for a union regulatory bureaucracy. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:47:32am |
re: #344 Coracle
Bu, but, but, but they did it first! Way to take the high ground.
Wrong then, wrong now.
Has anyone proposed sticking an electronic microscope up FCBBHO's butt as was done to Pres. Bush?
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:47:53am |
re: #351 FrogMarch
It does.
Walking that tightrope. The dems don't want to lose power, but they want all those progressive big government goodies. (cake and eating it too) Like I said, the democrats would push the single payer/public option - if they could just find a way to smother the crap cake in delicious rhetorical frosting and sneak it past us.*If it's so urgent - why doesn't the thing kick in until 2013? oh yeah - there's this big election in 2012.
Wait...wait...
The health crap wouldn't kick in until 2013?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:48:25am |
re: #354 opnion
They have indeed hurt children. No merit pay is permitted.
In Chicago, they do not even have to test out in their subject.
Yesterday we honored labor & Unions, but niot this one.
Unions have their place. The problem is, unions have managed to negotiate themselves into a place where it's no longer about what's fair, but it's about taking whatever they can strongarm management into giving them, even to the detriment of the company (or in the case of the NEA, the detriment of our school system).
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opnion Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:48:26am |
re: #360 JamesTKirk
Last time my wife and I had a Labor from a Union, we had a son. Spent yesterday with him.
Outstanding, carry on Captain.
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haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:48:31am |
re: #356 JamesTKirk
The cake is a lie.
Remember when the platform was sliding into the fire pit and i said "Goodbye" and you were like "NO way!" and then I was all "We pretended we were going to murder you"? That was great.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:48:36am |
re: #356 JamesTKirk
The cake is a lie.
'I insist you take a bite. It's for your own good.'
-- The progressives
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:48:51am |
re: #343 LoquaciousLady
I'm referring to the shrill freaking out about everything.
The yelling, the crying, the gesticulations - all staged and phony as a three dollar bill. Beck is a sideshow huckster, a snake-oil salesman.
I'm sure he has competent research staff at his disposal, so the fact that he intersperses the occasional accurate fact into his drooling raves should not be surprising.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:49:40am |
re: #366 MandyManners
Has anyone proposed sticking an electronic microscope up FCBBHO's butt as was done to Pres. Bush?
I'm sure the Democratic majority will get right on that.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:49:54am |
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:50:16am |
re: #370 haakondahl
Remember when the platform was sliding into the fire pit and i said "Goodbye" and you were like "NO way!" and then I was all "We pretended we were going to murder you"? That was great.
"That's you! That's how dumb you sound!"
-GLaDys
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:50:34am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:50:57am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:51:04am |
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badger1970 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:51:07am |
re: #361 opnion
The ironic thing is the thing that stuck wasn't entirely the truth, but eventually his past nuttiness would have came to light (not from the msm). This administration has 33 czars but haven't filled even 2/3 of all administrative positions.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:51:39am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:52:05am |
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:52:05am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:53:09am |
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opnion Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:53:12am |
re: #365 LoquaciousLady
I think NEA, SEIU, and UAW are great arguments for a union regulatory bureaucracy. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Lolts of good unions, but you named some dogs. There should be a criminal investigation into the Local that sent the SEIU thugs to the Tampa Town Hall.
They roughed up a guy with Stage 4 cancer & basically pushed people around.
Never happen though, since they were there to support Obama & it does look to me like the White House sent them.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:53:13am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:53:36am |
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LoquaciousLady Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:53:38am |
re: #379 badger1970
The ironic thing is the thing that stuck wasn't entirely the truth, but eventually his past nuttiness would have came to light (not from the msm). This administration has 33 czars but haven't filled even 2/3 of all administrative positions.
Obviously the other czars past nuttiness haven't seemed to sink any of them. I'm afraid the crazy hyping of the small questionably true stuff has become the only way to sink an unsavory czar candidate.
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Spartacus50 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:54:05am |
Another AP review of an event that hasn't happened yet
Sorry Charles. I still find it disturbing that our President made one of his speeches compulsory for the most impressionable members of our society.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:54:29am |
re: #354 opnion
They have indeed hurt children. No merit pay is permitted.
In Chicago, they do not even have to test out in their subject.
Yesterday we honored labor & Unions, but niot this one.
Choice, competition, vouchers - merit pay.
Democrats and the Teacher's Unions say NO WAY!
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:54:37am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:55:12am |
re: #379 badger1970
The ironic thing is the thing that stuck wasn't entirely the truth, but eventually his past nuttiness would have came to light (not from the msm). This administration has 33 czars but haven't filled even 2/3 of all administrative positions.
The Wiki count was 32 (before V.J. slithered off). Do you have a link showing the names and positions of the 33?
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LoquaciousLady Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:55:21am |
re: #390 FrogMarch
Choice, competition, vouchers - merit pay.
Democrats and the Teacher's Unions say NO WAY!
Great teachers say BRING IT ON!
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opnion Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:56:33am |
re: #379 badger1970
The ironic thing is the thing that stuck wasn't entirely the truth, but eventually his past nuttiness would have came to light (not from the msm). This administration has 33 czars but haven't filled even 2/3 of all administrative positions.
The idea that Obama had no idea that Van Jones is such a radical is laughable.
Van Jones is tight with Valarie Jarret & traveled in the same far Left circles that BHO came from. Obama just thought that he could get away with anything. He is wrecking the Dem Party.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:56:37am |
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Coracle Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:56:53am |
re: #366 MandyManners
Has anyone proposed sticking an electronic microscope up FCBBHO's butt as was done to Pres. Bush?
No, they seem happy just firing flamethowers in his general direction.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:57:06am |
re: #388 LoquaciousLady
I'm afraid the crazy hyping of the small questionably true stuff has become the only way to sink an unsavory czar candidat
e.
I didn't hear much "small stuff" coming from Van Jones' big mouth. If Beck had kept his yap shut about where he thought this would lead us (complete with tears) and just shown the video and audio over and over again, I think the same result would have happened.
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badger1970 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:57:35am |
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Coracle Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:58:05am |
re: #374 JamesTKirk
**holding breath**
Careful. You'll turn blue enough to become attractive to an Andorian.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:58:32am |
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:58:52am |
Yesterday, I had commented on how Obama is ending his speech with "G-d bless you, and G-d bless America."
The more I thought about it the more I realized the ACLU isn't going to complain about Obama's use of religion, but imagine if Bush had said that to schoolchildren? It would have been a huge scandal.
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LoquaciousLady Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:59:00am |
re: #397 Spenser (with an S)
e.
I didn't hear much "small stuff" coming from Van Jones' big mouth. If Beck had kept his yap shut about where he thought this would lead us (complete with tears) and just shown the video and audio over and over again, I think the same result would have happened.
I'm doubtful that it would. He was pulling was the "that was me then, I'm more nuanced in my positions now." Lots of people will buy that like they buy the "I'm sorry if anyone was offended" apology.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:59:22am |
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opnion Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:00:29am |
re: #390 FrogMarch
Choice, competition, vouchers - merit pay.
Democrats and the Teacher's Unions say NO WAY!
I worked for the Chicago Board of ED as a yoot.
It is not about the kids. It is not really about teaching per se,
they all seem to want to get out of the classroom as a principal or downtown adminstrator.
There our lots of dedicated teachers , but the NEA fosters a bad culture.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:00:41am |
re: #402 JamesTKirk
Great ,, now I have to go to best buy and get a new screen
WARN A GUY,, WILL YA!
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:00:44am |
Three resignations from the Wiki list of FCBBHO's advisors already.
Steve Ratner (car czar), Melissa Hathaway (cyber czar) and Van Jones.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:00:58am |
re: #404 LoquaciousLady
I'm doubtful that it would. He was pulling was the "that was me then in March, I'm more nuanced in my positions now." Lots of people will buy that like they buy the "I'm sorry if anyone was offended" apology.
/fixed it for you
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:01:13am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:01:38am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:01:56am |
re: #405 JamesTKirk
Yes, but he was only the fourth Fifth Beatle.
Ringo replaced Pete Best on the day I was born.
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haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:02:34am |
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:02:40am |
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:02:49am |
I didnt happen to catch the news this weekend. So when did Jones fall on his sword (or did the bus fall on him?)? I bet it would be after 6:00 on Friday. Did he wait until Saturday or Sunday?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:02:54am |
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:03:09am |
re: #393 LoquaciousLady
Great teachers say BRING IT ON!
Teachers need to shed the chains of the teachers union. I'd love to see that happen. It would be a glorious day.
Sadly, many good teachers are trapped and they cannot get out--
While lousy teachers benefit the most.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:03:31am |
re: #396 Coracle
No, they seem happy just firing flamethowers in his general direction.
But, no official flame-throwers. Just us hoi polloi. You know, the ones whose children should be taught by their teachers today to listen to the president, the senators, the congressmen, the mayors and the governors because what they have to say is "important".
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:03:34am |
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opnion Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:03:50am |
re: #403 Kosh's Shadow
Yesterday, I had commented on how Obama is ending his speech with "G-d bless you, and G-d bless America."
The more I thought about it the more I realized the ACLU isn't going to complain about Obama's use of religion, but imagine if Bush had said that to schoolchildren? It would have been a huge scandal.
Bush would have been battered as a relgious fanatic.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:04:29am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:04:33am |
re: #406 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
4/5ths Beatle?
Do you know how many people have been described as the Fifth Beatle?
My favorite is Clarence Walker (Eddie Murphy, SNL).
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:04:33am |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:04:36am |
re: #416 Creeping Eruption
I didnt happen to catch the news this weekend. So when did Jones fall on his sword (or did the bus fall on him?)? I bet it would be after 6:00 on Friday. Did he wait until Saturday or Sunday?
I was at work all day Saturday. As I pulled into my driveway just about 11 pm was the 1st I heard
(and btw ,,, at work, I see/ hear lots of news stories)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:04:40am |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:04:52am |
re: #396 Coracle
No, they seem happy just firing flamethowers in his general direction.
It get's the job done quicker. Besides, he's such a big target, easy to find, transparent.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:05:11am |
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haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:05:15am |
re: #413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ringo replaced Pete Best on the day I was born.
So you're the ghost of Pete Best's career.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:05:18am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:05:19am |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:05:42am |
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haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:05:43am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:06:28am |
re: #407 opnion
I worked for the Chicago Board of ED as a yoot.
It is not about the kids. It is not really about teaching per se,
they all seem to want to get out of the classroom as a principal or downtown adminstrator.
There our lots of dedicated teachers , but the NEA fosters a bad culture.
The head of the Board of Education now is right out of Chicago's educational morass.
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:06:28am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:06:34am |
re: #422 opnion
Bush would have been battered as a relgious fanatic.
Beer battered religious fanatic? Them's good eatin'.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:06:52am |
re: #428 Walter L. Newton
Any updates on Steve?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:06:56am |
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LoquaciousLady Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:06:58am |
re: #419 Alouette
My son is getting married today!
Now someone else will clean his toilet!
/kind of?
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:07:06am |
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badger1970 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:07:08am |
re: #423 MandyManners
You're right. Too many "All the President's Men" to keep track. It's like running a high school with one principal and 30-odd assistant principals.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:07:32am |
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:07:59am |
re: #426 sattv4u2
I was at work all day Saturday. As I pulled into my driveway just about 11 pm was the 1st I heard
(and btw ,,, at work, I see/ hear lots of news stories)
So much for my stellar gambling career.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:08:25am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:08:27am |
re: #420 MandyManners
But, no official flame-throwers. Just us hoi polloi. You know, the ones whose children should be taught by their teachers today to listen to the president, the senators, the congressmen, the mayors and the governors because what they have to say is "important".
BTW, that is almost a direct quote from the instructional packet for teachers. It's in a .pdf file. I'll find it in a minute.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:08:46am |
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LoquaciousLady Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:09:22am |
re: #447 MandyManners
BTW, that is almost a direct quote from the instructional packet for teachers. It's in a .pdf file. I'll find it in a minute.
That'll be fixed at my very own in-home re-education camp.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:09:37am |
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DaddyG Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:09:43am |
re: #24 astronmr20
Baby tiger: "One day I keeel you!"
We have a beautiful but somewhat psycho adopted Maine Coon (biiig kitty). We believe he was abused in a previous home. He is mellowing out and sometimes shows affection by liking your hand, but when he wants left alone he will nip out at the same hand. When he does show affection by locking my kids have taken to explaining "he's not kissing you he's tasting your flesh."
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haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:09:44am |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:10:10am |
re: #447 MandyManners
BTW, that is almost a direct quote from the instructional packet for teachers. It's in a .pdf file. I'll find it in a minute.
Is that packet still "active"? I know the changed the "help the President" stuff.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:10:31am |
re: #419 Alouette
Congrats! How did your interview go last week?
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opnion Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:10:58am |
re: #436 MandyManners
The head of the Board of Education now is right out of Chicago's educational morass.
Arnie Duncan, another Chicago hack. However he does play hoops with the Dear Leader & lets him win.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:11:00am |
re: #443 badger1970
You're right. Too many "All the President's Men" to keep track. It's like running a high school with one principal and 30-odd assistant principals.
One that has not made Wiki's list is Jeff Jones.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
If you're not familiar with him, you might also want to look up his Wiki.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:11:53am |
re: #451 DaddyG
We have a beautiful but somewhat psycho adopted Maine Coon (biiig kitty). We believe he was abused in a previous home. He is mellowing out and sometimes shows affection by liking your hand, but when he wants left alone he will nip out at the same hand. When he does show affection by locking my kids have taken to explaining "he's not kissing you he's tasting your flesh."
That's a cat.
Diary of Dog and Cat
Today I was almost successful in an attempt to assassinate one of my tormentors by weaving around his feet as he was walking. I must try this again tomorrow, but at the top of the stairs.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:12:19am |
re: #449 LoquaciousLady
That'll be fixed at my very own in-home re-education camp.
I tell The Kid to listen to his teachers, the cops, other authorities but, not politicians. We parents are the filters between our children and politicians.
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DaddyG Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:12:19am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:12:51am |
re: #453 TheMatrix31
Is that packet still "active"? I know the changed the "help the President" stuff.
Yes. I'll find it.
HOLD ON.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:12:55am |
re: #457 Kosh's Shadow
I am convinced that the other prisoners here are flunkies and snitches. The dog receives special privileges. He is regularly released, and seems to be more than willing to return. He is obviously retarded.
Heh.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:13:04am |
re: #428 Walter L. Newton
You've got (or soon will have) mail
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:14:21am |
re: #458 MandyManners
I tell The Kid to listen to his teachers, the cops, other authorities but, not politicians. We parents are the filters between our children and politicians.
I tell mine to listen to pols very carefully, and then judge what they have heard by their own standards.
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:15:05am |
re: #456 MandyManners
One that has not made Wiki's list is Jeff Jones.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]If you're not familiar with him, you might also want to look up his Wiki.
So Jeff Jones, the Weather Underground Jeff Jones, is a czar?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:15:17am |
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opnion Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:15:21am |
re: #453 TheMatrix31
Is that packet still "active"? I know the changed the "help the President" stuff.
IMO the uproar is over the accompanying materials & instructions.
More that that, there is little trust in BHO. Hell the worse thing that Clinton would have done is ask the kids to send pictures of their mothers with phone numbers.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:15:44am |
re: #439 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Any updates on Steve?
None, I have a general email out to him to stay in contact, but I haven't heard anything in a week. I do have enough info to probably find him in person if necessary, but I'll wait on that.
It was very serious, but according to his last few emails after his hospital procedure, he was not dying, but of course, anything can change.
I'm going to give it to the end of this week before I take the next step and try to contact him direct.
Yes, I'm a bit worried.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:15:48am |
Secretary Gates to Arabs: Arm yourselves against Iran
U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates told the Al Jazeera network Monday that the Arab world should built up its “security capabilities” as a signal to Iran to think twice about developing a nuclear weapon.
Obama to Israel: Roll over and die.
| 469 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:16:20am |
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:16:33am |
re: #464 VioletTiger
So Jeff Jones, the Weather Underground Jeff Jones, is a czar?
He must be the weather czar.
/
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:16:52am |
Why is it important that we listen to the president and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor? Why is what they say important?
[Link: www.ed.gov...]
| 473 |
Vicious Babushka Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:17:13am |
| 474 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:17:17am |
re: #420 MandyManners
But, no official flame-throwers. Just us hoi polloi. You know, the ones whose children should be taught by their teachers today to listen to the president, the senators, the congressmen, the mayors and the governors because what they have to say is "important".
Upding for using "hoi polloi" correctly. (I'm always suprised by the number of people who think the term means exactly the opposite of its actual meaning.)
Good morning.
| 475 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:17:27am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:18:20am |
re: #455 opnion
Arnie Duncan, another Chicago hack. However he does play hoops with the Dear Leader & lets him win.
Was he ever associated with Ayers and Ayers' drive to politicize the classroom? The Annenberg Challenge?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:18:26am |
re: #472 MandyManners
Why is it important that we listen to the president and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor? Why is what they say important?
[Link: www.ed.gov...]
Because they're above our pay grade.
/
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:18:37am |
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DaddyG Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:18:44am |
I would be happy to see more presidents addressing our children. The messages should be non-partisan of course. Imagine the power of having the leader of our country explaining to children why it is important for them to learn about issues and prepare to be active in the governing of their communities and country.
| 480 |
Pianobuff Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:18:57am |
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:19:51am |
re: #467 Walter L. Newton
None, I have a general email out to him to stay in contact, but I haven't heard anything in a week. I do have enough info to probably find him in person if necessary, but I'll wait on that.
It was very serious, but according to his last few emails after his hospital procedure, he was not dying, but of course, anything can change.
I'm going to give it to the end of this week before I take the next step and try to contact him direct.
Yes, I'm a bit worried.
Good grief, I hope he's ok.
| 483 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:19:53am |
re: #464 VioletTiger
So Jeff Jones, the Weather Underground Jeff Jones, is a czar?
One has to wonder if that czar is on par, meaning a falling star, and whether he will go far. Or, will something mar the rise of this czar, even with such a low czar bar. //
-Sorry, just trying to avoid the large pile of work on my desk.
| 484 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:19:54am |
re: #403 Kosh's Shadow
Yesterday, I had commented on how Obama is ending his speech with "G-d bless you, and G-d bless America."
The more I thought about it the more I realized the ACLU isn't going to complain about Obama's use of religion, but imagine if Bush had said that to schoolchildren? It would have been a huge scandal.
I don't know specifically about speaking to schoolchildren, but Bush closed speeches with "God bless America" all the time.
| 485 |
kansas Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:20:22am |
re: #344 Coracle
Bu, but, but, but they did it first! Way to take the high ground.
Wrong then, wrong now.
Whatever.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:20:37am |
re: #474 Occasional Reader
Upding for using "hoi polloi" correctly. (I'm always suprised by the number of people who think the term means exactly the opposite of its actual meaning.)
Good morning.
Not to mention people who use "The" in front of the term. "Hoi" means "the."
| 488 |
lincolntf Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:21:26am |
re: #464 VioletTiger
Oh jeez, I just read his wikipedia. Mandy, is this definitely the same guy (Weather Underground) and what is he the czar of?
| 489 |
kansas Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:21:44am |
re: #343 LoquaciousLady
I'm referring to the shrill freaking out about everything.
It has worked for the Dems. I think the liberals want to force the Republicans into actions that will assure their defeat, again.
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opnion Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:21:55am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:22:03am |
re: #463 Creeping Eruption
I tell mine to listen to pols very carefully, and then judge what they have heard by their own standards.
What I paraphrased earlier and what I just quoted in No. 472 is being suggested to tell kids in Kindergarten and elementary school. Kids that age typically do not have the tools to make sound judgments about what to have for breakfast, let alone how to interpret and judge what a politician says.
(I'm not picking on you. I'm just trying to articulate why that bit I quoted gets sand in my shorts.)
| 492 |
Irish Rose Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:22:25am |
| 493 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:22:38am |
re: #464 VioletTiger
So Jeff Jones, the Weather Underground Jeff Jones, is a czar?
Science czar according to Charles.
| 494 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:23:29am |
Do we really need another episode of Tsar Wars? The last three sucked.
//throw George Lucas under the bus...
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:23:50am |
re: #491 MandyManners
What I paraphrased earlier and what I just quoted in No. 472 is being suggested to tell kids in Kindergarten and elementary school. Kids that age typically do not have the tools to make sound judgments about what to have for breakfast, let alone how to interpret and judge what a politician says.
(I'm not picking on you. I'm just trying to articulate why that bit I quoted gets sand in my shorts.)
That makes sense. Btw, you may want to get up and stretch, shake a little. Sand in the shorts this early is going to make for a tough day. :)
| 496 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:23:51am |
re: #474 Occasional Reader
Upding for using "hoi polloi" correctly. (I'm always suprised by the number of people who think the term means exactly the opposite of its actual meaning.)
Good morning.
*smoochies*
| 497 |
opnion Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:23:56am |
re: #476 MandyManners
Was he ever associated with Ayers and Ayers' drive to politicize the classroom? The Annenberg Challenge?
Not to my knowledge.
| 498 |
VioletTiger Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:24:01am |
re: #488 lincolntf
Oh jeez, I just read his wikipedia. Mandy, is this definitely the same guy (Weather Underground) and what is he the czar of?
Crap, I think it is!
Just a guy in his neighborhood, remember? There would be no Bill Ayers in his WH. Ayer's buddies, that's a different story.
I am seeing a lot of link to Acorn and that Apollo thing, too.
| 499 |
kansas Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:24:14am |
re: #366 MandyManners
Has anyone proposed sticking an electronic microscope up FCBBHO's butt as was done to Pres. Bush?
Obviously not the MFM who won't ask or report properly. Nice vetting there, huh?
| 500 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:24:23am |
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:24:23am |
| 502 |
Vicious Babushka Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:25:11am |
I wish all you Lizards could be here for the wedding! Consider this a virtual invitation. I am sure you will all be here in green scaly spirit.
| 503 |
kansas Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:25:43am |
re: #476 MandyManners
Was he ever associated with Ayers and Ayers' drive to politicize the classroom? The Annenberg Challenge?
Gee I thought he directed that but I'll have to Google it. Here you go. [Link: article.nationalreview.com...]
| 504 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:25:48am |
re: #488 lincolntf
Oh jeez, I just read his wikipedia. Mandy, is this definitely the same guy (Weather Underground) and what is he the czar of?
Yes. He's a science czar according to Charles and what I've Googled.
| 505 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:25:51am |
Is this a new low for Oliver Stone?
His new movie "South of the Border" praises Chavez.
Well, I guess I can cross that one off my list of movies to see.
And just as a reminder of just who Stone is praising:
Chavez tells Israelis to disobey ’genocidal’ govt
| 506 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:25:56am |
re: #487 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Not to mention people who use "The" in front of the term. "Hoi" means "the."
Who put the "hoi" in the "hoi polloi polloi"?
Who put the "ram" in the "ramalamadingdong?"?
| 507 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:26:01am |
re: #502 Alouette
I wish all you Lizards could be here for the wedding! Consider this a virtual invitation. I am sure you will all be here in green scaly spirit.
I'll be there if theres an open bar!
| 508 |
FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:26:02am |
Ugh. Another sucky "health care reform" plan from the democrats.
Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) has sent members of a bipartisan negotiating group a framework for health care legislation that would cost less than $900 billion[oh boy!], levy new fees on insurers and create a network
of consumer-owned insurance cooperatives.
Taxes and fees - gotta get those in there.
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kansas Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:26:10am |
re: #497 opnion
Not to my knowledge.
[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]
Here is some knowledge from a quick Google search.
| 510 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:26:12am |
re: #500 MandyManners
Fuck, we pay their grade.
Hush you. Stop talking sense. Big Brother is watching.
| 511 |
ladycatnip Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:26:14am |
Sorry if this has been posted, but after George H.W. delivered his speech to school kids, the dems investigated and held hearings!
Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president's school appearance. The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.
With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"
| 512 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:26:28am |
re: #482 Irish Rose
Good grief, I hope he's ok.
Well, he's not, but last time I heard from him (09/02/2009), he was still alive and no one thought he was going to die, but it was very serious and has future implications to another serious procedure.
So, if keeping you feet above ground is ok, yes, last I heard he was ok. But the future complications are going to be a major change in his life.
| 514 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:26:43am |
re: #505 Kosh's Shadow
Is this a new low for Oliver Stone?
His new movie "South of the Border" praises Chavez.
Well, I guess I can cross that one off my list of movies to see.
And just as a reminder of just who Stone is praising:
Chavez tells Israelis to disobey ’genocidal’ govt
"Oliver Stone" isn't already on the "do not watch" list?
| 515 |
Coracle Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:26:53am |
re: #472 MandyManners
Why is it important that we listen to the president and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor? Why is what they say important?
[Link: www.ed.gov...]
Pure evil. Obvious communist plot to take over the minds of our children.
/
Ever think how an even handed treatment might use this very question to point out that listening to what elected officials say and watching what they do, and determining for yourself whether you agree or disagree with them, can inform your own choices - such as who you want to vote for and what policies you want to support?
| 516 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:27:08am |
re: #493 MandyManners
re: #464 VioletTiger
So Jeff Jones, the Weather Underground Jeff Jones, is a czar?
Science czar according to Charles.
I thought Eric Holdren (not to be confused with terrorist enabler Eric Holder) was the Science Czar? Good grief, I can't tell the kooks without a program.
| 517 |
kansas Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:27:14am |
re: #511 ladycatnip
Sorry if this has been posted, but after George H.W. delivered his speech to school kids, the dems investigated and held hearings!
It was posted. The libs all say wrong then wrong now and suddenly grasp onto the Golden Rule.
| 518 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:27:26am |
re: #493 MandyManners
Science czar according to Charles.
I thought Holdren was the science czar. You mean that there's more then one in that position?
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opnion Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:27:36am |
re: #509 kansas
[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]
Here is some knowledge from a quick Google search.
Thanks
| 520 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:28:04am |
re: #514 JamesTKirk
"Oliver Stone" isn't already on the "do not watch" list?
He is; I was being sarcastic.
| 521 |
FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:28:10am |
re: #508 FrogMarch
Ugh. Another sucky "health care reform" plan from the democrats.
Another significant variance with the House bills is the absence of a mandate on employers to provide coverage. Instead, the Baucus plan includes a “free-rider” provision in which employers would contribute to the cost of providing government subsidies for the employees who purchase coverage in a government-organized insurance marketplace known as an exchange, according to the plan circulating among senators.
/but don't call it "public option".
| 522 |
lincolntf Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:28:38am |
re: #504 MandyManners
Huh. All I'm finding is a James Jones linked to the Admin.
| 523 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:28:49am |
re: #505 Kosh's Shadow
Good grief.
Then again, I'm not sure it's lower than when he cheerfully alluded to "the revolt of September 11" in a public forum, just weeks after the attacks. (Kudos to Christopher Hitchens for tearing him a new one - alas, only rhetorically - on that occasion.)
| 524 |
gregb Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:28:55am |
re: #396 Coracle
No, they seem happy just firing flamethowers in his general direction.
Laughing, I did a google on "FCBBHO" to try and figure out what the exact wording was (I can guess who it refers to). All I got was a link to Ms. MM's blog and not much more.
That's about as close to a hapax leomenon as you can get on Google nowadays.
[Link: www.google.com...]
| 525 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:29:01am |
re: #468 Kosh's Shadow
Secretary Gates to Arabs: Arm yourselves against Iran
Obama to Israel: Roll over and die.
Kosh, the Fraud's are arming themselves to the teeth; their current order some 2Bill from Russia with evidently a 'rush' order on about 1/3 of the ticket(or so rumor has it).
| 526 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:29:43am |
re: #521 FrogMarch
Another significant variance with the House bills is the absence of a mandate on employers to provide coverage. Instead, the Baucus plan includes a “free-rider” provision in which employers would contribute to the cost of providing government subsidies for the employees who purchase coverage in a government-organized insurance marketplace known as an exchange, according to the plan circulating among senators.
/but don't call it "public option".
And don't call this a tax, either./
| 527 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:29:50am |
re: #495 Creeping Eruption
That makes sense. Btw, you may want to get up and stretch, shake a little. Sand in the shorts this early is going to make for a tough day. :)
Sound advice. Hold on. I'll dance it out.
| 528 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:30:21am |
| 529 |
Irish Rose Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:30:35am |
re: #347 Spenser (with an S)
Doing a little research on this but I'm not coming up with a name.
Sorry.
| 530 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:30:48am |
re: #525 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Kosh, the Fraud's are arming themselves to the teeth; their current order some 2Bill from Russia with evidently a 'rush' order on about 1/3 of the ticket(or so rumor has it).
Gates must be trying to get them to buy some from the US as well, then.
| 531 |
VioletTiger Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:30:54am |
re: #521 FrogMarch
/but don't call it "public option".
They are determined to sneak it in somehow.
Problem for them is--people are not as dumb as they thought.
| 532 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:31:16am |
re: #499 kansas
Obviously not the MFM who won't ask or report properly. Nice vetting there, huh?
If the MFM told me that the sun rose in the east, I'd get up early just to watch.
| 533 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:31:32am |
re: #504 MandyManners
Yes. He's a science czar according to Charles and what I've Googled.
Are you sure about that, Mandy? I'm not finding it.
| 534 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:31:34am |
re: #527 MandyManners
| 536 |
Irish Rose Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:32:23am |
re: #512 Walter L. Newton
Well, he's not, but last time I heard from him (09/02/2009), he was still alive and no one thought he was going to die, but it was very serious and has future implications to another serious procedure.
So, if keeping you feet above ground is ok, yes, last I heard he was ok. But the future complications are going to be a major change in his life.
I sure am sorry to hear that.
Please update here as soon as you have any news.
| 537 |
midwestgak Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:32:31am |
Morning Lizards!
I'm standing in line on Michigan Ave. so I can be a part of the Oprah Winfrey Show which will be taping later today at 5:00 p.m. NOT!
| 538 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:33:00am |
re: #537 midwestgak
Morning Lizards!
I'm standing in line on Michigan Ave. so I can be a part of the Oprah Winfrey Show which will be taping later today at 5:00 p.m. NOT!
You had me going, you really did. Thank goodness for that last word.
| 539 |
kansas Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:33:20am |
re: #533 Occasional Reader
Are you sure about that, Mandy? I'm not finding it.
[Link: www.docstoc.com...]
| 540 |
DaddyG Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:33:50am |
re: #515 Coracle
Pure evil. Obvious communist plot to take over the minds of our children.
/Ever think how an even handed treatment might use this very question to point out that listening to what elected officials say and watching what they do, and determining for yourself whether you agree or disagree with them, can inform your own choices - such as who you want to vote for and what policies you want to support?
I hope that all Presidents choose to address our students about these issues. I also hope the current administration does not politicize the message.
As Lady Catnip linked: dems investigated and held hearings!
Now please call upon the Dems to clean their own house on this issue. If they fail to do so they will find it increasingly hard to engender trust and get the other side to "disarm" in the partisan wars.
| 541 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:34:04am |
re: #501 Occasional Reader
Huh? There's no mention of that at his Wiki page.
No, there's not. But, when Charles mentioned that Lenn Eck was going after more czars on Saturday, Jeff Jones was one mentioned. When I looked up his Wiki, Charles directed me to his post to which I linked above. I took his not correcting Eck or me as confirmation.
Google?
| 542 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:34:25am |
re: #537 midwestgak
Morning Lizards!
I'm standing in line on Michigan Ave. so I can be a part of the Oprah Winfrey Show which will be taping later today at 5:00 p.m. NOT!
If you are actually near Harpie studios (West Loop?), there is a great breakfast place across the street (at least there used to be).
| 543 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:34:33am |
re: #525 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Kosh, the Fraud's are arming themselves to the teeth; their current order some 2Bill from Russia with evidently a 'rush' order on about 1/3 of the ticket(or so rumor has it).
Strange that they would mix in that much Russian kit with their overwhelmingly US-made weaponry.
| 544 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:34:35am |
re: #536 Irish Rose
I sure am sorry to hear that.
Please update here as soon as you have any news.
I will. I have permission from Steve to keep LGF informed but I have to stay away from the actual personal info. I know what happened, but unless he tells me to relate that, I have to keep it vague.
| 545 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:34:47am |
re: #510 thedopefishlives
Hush you. Stop talking sense. Big Brother is watching.
Big Brother can eat my shorts.
| 546 |
avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:34:58am |
re: #504 MandyManners
Yes. He's a science czar according to Charles and what I've Googled.
He is not the science czar, that's Holden. Jeff Jones is on Beck's list, but i'm not sure who he is.
| 547 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:35:16am |
re: #529 Irish Rose
re: #347 Spenser (with an S)
Doing a little research on this but I'm not coming up with a name.
Sorry.
No, I'm sorry. I'll ask my bride, she'll probably remember. It was obviously a big deal for him to be playing on the streets for coins one day and then opening for 1,600 people the next. He had some funny songs he wrote himself and he and Ralston both played the Bouzouki at some point. Ralston joked that he calls it his "Octave Mandolin" when he's in an airport so as not to cause alarm.
| 548 |
FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:35:30am |
re: #526 Kosh's Shadow
And don't call this a tax, either./
It's as if the only way a democrats can think is - take money from one sector and give it to another. Ponzi scheme.
How about: open up and let folks choose from more that 6 providers. Let us buy and take health insurance across state lines. There are thousands of providers. Open up the free market and let consumers decide.
File under: fat chance and never gonna happen.
The democrats only scheme: Tax, re-distribute, punish, extort, complicate, mandate, control, regulate.
| 549 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:35:31am |
re: #515 Coracle
Pure evil. Obvious communist plot to take over the minds of our children.
/Ever think how an even handed treatment might use this very question to point out that listening to what elected officials say and watching what they do, and determining for yourself whether you agree or disagree with them, can inform your own choices - such as who you want to vote for and what policies you want to support?
THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT.
| 550 |
VioletTiger Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:35:32am |
re: #544 Walter L. Newton
I will. I have permission from Steve to keep LGF informed but I have to stay away from the actual personal info. I know what happened, but unless he tells me to relate that, I have to keep it vague.
Walter, please give him my regards and best wishes as well.
| 551 |
lincolntf Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:36:15am |
Multiple blogs/posts seem to indicate that Jeff Jones helped write the Obama stimulus plan. Possibly still doing stuff like that. No mention of science, or of Jones being a cazr.
Keep in mind that this was a 5 minute Google search, so all results automatically include a grain of salt.
| 552 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:36:15am |
re: #544 Walter L. Newton
I will. I have permission from Steve to keep LGF informed but I have to stay away from the actual personal info. I know what happened, but unless he tells me to relate that, I have to keep it vague.
Please pass on my best wishes for a speedy recovery.
| 553 |
haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:36:52am |
re: #515 Coracle
Pure evil. Obvious communist plot to take over the minds of our children.
/Ever think how an even handed treatment might use this very question to point out that listening to what elected officials say and watching what they do, and determining for yourself whether you agree or disagree with them, can inform your own choices - such as who you want to vote for and what policies you want to support?
Do you have children?
| 554 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:37:06am |
re: #516 Spenser (with an S)
I thought Eric Holdren (not to be confused with terrorist enabler Eric Holder) was the Science Czar? Good grief, I can't tell the kooks without a program.
John Holdren is a science czar. Presidents can have more than one advisor on an issue.
| 555 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:37:37am |
| 556 |
VioletTiger Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:37:50am |
re: #551 lincolntf
Multiple blogs/posts seem to indicate that Jeff Jones helped write the Obama stimulus plan. Possibly still doing stuff like that. No mention of science, or of Jones being a cazr.
Keep in mind that this was a 5 minute Google search, so all results automatically include a grain of salt.
That's all I could find. He also is part of the Apollo Alliance group? Not sure where that fits in.
| 557 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:38:20am |
re: #518 BlueCanuck
I thought Holdren was the science czar. You mean that there's more then one in that position?
There's no law that says a president is limited to one advisor.
| 558 |
midwestgak Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:38:22am |
re: #542 Creeping Eruption
If you are actually near Harpie studios (West Loop?), there is a great breakfast place across the street (at least there used to be).
Not sure which place you are referring to, but there is a restaurant near the studio called Wishbone (southern style). Oprah's fav, so I hear.
| 559 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:39:01am |
re: #558 midwestgak
Not sure which place you are referring to, but there is a restaurant near the studio called Wishbone (southern style). Oprah's fav, so I hear.
Thats the one. It really is very good. Only ate there a few times though.
| 560 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:39:05am |
re: #522 lincolntf
Huh. All I'm finding is a James Jones linked to the Admin.
Google Jeff Jones science czar.
| 561 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:39:54am |
re: #556 VioletTiger
He also is part of the Apollo Alliance group? Not sure where that fits in.
It's Greek to me.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:40:04am |
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:40:14am |
Czars have enjoyed limited success in America.
And not too much better in Russia, lately.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:41:23am |
re: #561 Occasional Reader
It's Greek to me.
Lets please not muse over Greek puns so early in the am.
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midwestgak Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:41:40am |
re: #559 Creeping Eruption
Thats the one. It really is very good. Only ate there a few times though.
Just guessing, but I think reine and redstate would give the place an A+ rating.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:41:46am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:41:50am |
re: #564 Creeping Eruption
Lets please not muse over Greek puns so early in the am.
Yeah, they're a pain in the butt.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:41:53am |
re: #560 MandyManners
Google Jeff Jones science czar.
I did. I'm not getting anything remotely convincing.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:42:20am |
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Coracle Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:42:29am |
re: #540 DaddyG
Now please call upon the Dems to clean their own house on this issue. If they fail to do so they will find it increasingly hard to engender trust and get the other side to "disarm" in the partisan wars.
Yes, let's go get them to change their approach - 18 years ago. Of course they're exactly the same now. Oh, no, that's right, they're worse now.
re: #549 MandyManners
THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT.
It's my point. I don't know what point you were trying to make, since you didn't write one. Oh - and your caps lock seems stuck. Not to mention your cuss lock.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:42:47am |
re: #505 Kosh's Shadow
Michael Moore's new movie concludes that capitalism is evil.
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Coracle Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:43:03am |
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badger1970 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:43:03am |
re: #563 Spare O'Lake
I'm waiting for the Yakoff Smearnoff punchline...
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:43:14am |
re: #556 VioletTiger
Not sure I see a problem!
Why wouldn't an Astronaut make a great Science Czar??
//
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avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:43:21am |
re: #551 lincolntf
Multiple blogs/posts seem to indicate that Jeff Jones helped write the Obama stimulus plan. Possibly still doing stuff like that. No mention of science, or of Jones being a cazr.
Keep in mind that this was a 5 minute Google search, so all results automatically include a grain of salt.
It seems it's a connection whipped up by Beck. Jeff Jones was associated with Van Jones about 30 years ago. The only connection to the stimulus bill is speculation by Beck and others. He is not a czar, nor has any connection to Obama other than being a member of a group with Van Jones back in the Vietnam protester days.
"The latest shocker is Jeff Jones. Jones was the co-founder of the violent radical terrorist group Weather Underground with Bill Ayers. Jones has much blood on his hands, and yet, he is part of the Apollo Group founded by Van Jones, no relation, a self proclaimed communist! "
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:43:34am |
re: #564 Creeping Eruption
Lets please not muse over Greek puns so early in the am.
Please accept my most sincere Apollogy.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:43:45am |
How about a Czarina
Who likes to do the Macarena?
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:43:51am |
No. 541 above
But, when Charles mentioned that Lenn Eck was going after more czars on Saturday, Jeff Jones was one mentioned. When I looked up his Wiki, Charles directed me to his post to which I linked above. I took his not correcting Eck or me as confirmation.
***
Would Charles not welcome a chance to correct Lenn Eck?
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:43:56am |
re: #572 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Michael Moore's new movie concludes that capitalism is evil.
As opposed to his other movies...?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:44:50am |
One thing about Michael Moore, he is one of the most public hypocrites we have. He can make a film about the evils of capitalism, while belonging to one of the most capital driven industries in the world.
Got to give him credit, he's 100 percent honest, a jerk, but an honest jerk. That's a sight bit better than most of our politicians.
Maybe Obama could take a few lessons from Micheal on public image?
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
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lincolntf Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:45:00am |
re: #560 MandyManners
That's what I did first. Not really anything there. Eventually it became clear that the Jeff Jones from the WU is definitely the "stimulus" guy and "Apollo" guy. I don't know crap about Apollo, maybe that's a science group.
I think the Google results we're getting have a lot of incidental "Van Jones" conflation with Jeff Jones.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:45:17am |
re: #571 Coracle
It's my point. I don't know what point you were trying to make, since you didn't write one. Oh - and your caps lock seems stuck. Not to mention your cuss lock.
Boo!
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:45:35am |
re: #567 JamesTKirk
Yeah, they're a pain in the butt.
Now that remark really gives us some insight into your Psyche.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:45:48am |
re: #578 Occasional Reader
Please accept my most sincere Apollogy.
Of course. Perhaps I was a bit quick, it is just that I Lyre here in wait for these pun threads. Hard not to jump on them right away.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:46:01am |
re: #572 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Michael Moore's new movie concludes that capitalism is evil.
Well, I hope he doesn't make any evil profit from his movie then; I wouldn't want him to become a bad guy in his own eyes.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:46:17am |
re: #582 Walter L. Newton
29 seconds behind you...
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haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:46:41am |
re: #574 Coracle
Yes. Why do you ask?
What is it that you wish the administration to say to them that you cannot?
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:46:44am |
re: #579 Spare O'Lake
How about a Czarina
Who likes to do the Macarena?
Sorry, they don't rhyme.
But "czarina" does rhyme with "occharina". So you've got that to work with.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:46:45am |
re: #586 Occasional Reader
Now that remark really gives us some insight into your Psyche.
Yes, by Jove.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:47:30am |
[Link: obamaspending.org...]
A chance to fact-check?
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opnion Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:47:39am |
re: #577 avanti
It seems it's a connection whipped up by Beck. Jeff Jones was associated with Van Jones about 30 years ago. The only connection to the stimulus bill is speculation by Beck and others. He is not a czar, nor has any connection to Obama other than being a member of a group with Van Jones back in the Vietnam protester days.
"The latest shocker is Jeff Jones. Jones was the co-founder of the violent radical terrorist group Weather Underground with Bill Ayers. Jones has much blood on his hands, and yet, he is part of the Apollo Group founded by Van Jones, no relation, a self proclaimed communist! "
Avanti, Viet Nam protester days? uh, it was more than that, the Weather Undreground was a violent organization planting bombs.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:47:52am |
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:48:05am |
re: #587 Creeping Eruption
Of course. Perhaps I was a bit quick, it is just that I Lyre here in wait for these pun threads. Hard not to jump on them right away.
I must muse upon the pun thread before I add another in the Ceres.
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:48:08am |
re: #585 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He's just ridiculous.
He sure won't mind taking all the proceeds from his capitalist venture, however.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:48:41am |
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:48:54am |
re: #530 Kosh's Shadow
Gates must be trying to get them to buy some from the US as well, then.
We're still the largest supplier but regionally we aren't looking or smelling too very good.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:49:18am |
re: #593 Occasional Reader
Sorry, they don't rhyme.
But "czarina" does rhyme with "occharina". So you've got that to work with.
That's what I get for Russian.
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haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:49:20am |
re: #602 Occasional Reader
Are you attempting to Satyrize my quite serious post?
Euripides threads to shreds.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:49:28am |
re: #603 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
We're still the largest supplier but regionally we aren't looking or smelling too very good.
Well, the stuff Russia sells will just be easier for Israel to destroy.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:49:32am |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:49:58am |
re: #595 MandyManners
I just got here. Did Obama nominate a weather underground guy for something?
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:50:33am |
re: #599 Kosh's Shadow
I must muse upon the pun thread before I add another in the Ceres.
We seem to be the only ones punning here. Perhaps we should Leto it go?
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Coracle Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:50:41am |
re: #591 haakondahl
What is it that you wish the administration to say to them that you cannot?
There is nothing I "wish the administration to say to them that [I] cannot". I am perfectly happy to have them see the President - whatever party s/he may be - express interest in education and inspire them to excel. Jut like I support doctors, or firefighters, or any other professional visiting a school and talking to students. One of these kids is going to be President in 4-5-6 decades, after all.
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garycooper Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:51:46am |
Just read the AGW thread. Hoo boy. Good thing I didn't get involved. ;)
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:51:47am |
re: #609 Killgore Trout
I just got here. Did Obama nominate a weather underground guy for something?
Please see my No. 541. I've been under the assumption that he is an advisor to FCBBHO since Charles posted what I refer to in that post.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:52:25am |
re: #610 Creeping Eruption
We seem to be the only ones punning here. Perhaps we should Leto it go?
You calypso many would-be punsters down to size, CE.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:52:29am |
re: #614 garycooper
Just read the AGW thread. Hoo boy. Good thing I didn't get involved. ;)
Any high (or low) points, for those of us who missed it and prefer to keep it that way?
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laZardo Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:52:33am |
re: #602 Occasional Reader
Are you attempting to Satyrize my quite serious post?
Nah, your post is too Circe to satyrize.
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haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:52:38am |
re: #610 Creeping Eruption
We seem to be the only ones punning here. Perhaps we should Leto it go?
Don't try to worm out of this.
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lincolntf Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:52:47am |
re: #607 MandyManners
Those are the same threads I'm finding. Have you seen one that says something like:"...Jeff Jones, appointed on March 1st to be Czar of XXX..."? That's what I'm looking for.
This guy is a total nut, and I can't (don't want to) believe that he's actually shaping the US Government/economy.
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Wendya Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:52:57am |
re: #518 BlueCanuck
I thought Holdren was the science czar. You mean that there's more then one in that position?
Holdren is the Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy. Because he holds an official position, he had to go through confirmation hearings. The Czars are not subject to congressional oversight.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:53:27am |
re: #618 laZardo
Nah, your post is too Circe to satyrize.
Now that can cause a bunch of people to get fury-ious.
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avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:53:36am |
re: #583 lincolntf
That's what I did first. Not really anything there. Eventually it became clear that the Jeff Jones from the WU is definitely the "stimulus" guy and "Apollo" guy. I don't know crap about Apollo, maybe that's a science group.
I think the Google results we're getting have a lot of incidental "Van Jones" conflation with Jeff Jones.
I think we are talking Beck logic.
1. Speculate that Van Jones had some input on the stimulus bill.
2. Jeff Jones was part of a group years ago with Van Jones.
3. Beck conclusion. Jeff Jones, helped write the stimulus bill because he knew Van Jones.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:53:46am |
re: #611 Coracle
Jut like I support doctors, or firefighters, or any other professional visiting a school and talking to students.
Other than, of course, the World's Oldest Professional.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:53:50am |
re: #608 JamesTKirk
Doctor tells patient. "Sorry to tell you, you have HAGS."
PATIENT, "HAGS? What's that?"
Dr., "A combination of Herpes, AIDS, Gonnorrhea, and Syphallis. The good news is; you'll get of the pancakes and pizza you can eat for the rest of your life!"
Patient, "Why pizza and pancakes?"
Dr., "That's all that will slide under your door."
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:54:02am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:55:05am |
I hate stepping on my dick but, I am not afraid to admit I'm wrong if I am wrong.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:55:14am |
re: #608 JamesTKirk
You might catch a case of Hermes.
Oh, the impulse to derail this into a scarf pun thread is overwhelming. I am trying to take great paeans not to, but . . .
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avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:55:20am |
re: #597 opnion
Avanti, Viet Nam protester days? uh, it was more than that, the Weather Undreground was a violent organization planting bombs.
True, and Jeff Jones was a member, but what has that to do with czars, or Obama. I know Beck made the connection, but it's hard to follow.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:55:52am |
re: #629 Creeping Eruption
Oh, the impulse to derail this into a scarf pun thread is overwhelming. I am trying to take great paeans not to, but . . .
I know a Doctor Who used to be fond of scarves.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:56:26am |
re: #630 avanti
True, and Jeff Jones was a member, but what has that to do with czars, or Obama. I know Beck made the connection, but it's hard to follow.
Oh nothing. Of course all these guys that are seemingly tied together holding the same ideologies have nothing to do with each other or anything regarding present-day views. OF COURSE.
Ugh.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:56:26am |
re: #629 Creeping Eruption
Oh, the impulse to derail this into a scarf pun thread is overwhelming.
Try to chanel that impulse into a more positive direction.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:56:40am |
re: #632 TheMatrix31
dripping fucking wet with sarcasm, btw.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:56:43am |
re: #628 MandyManners
I hate stepping on my dick but, I am not afraid to admit I'm wrong if I am wrong.
I hope you're wrong about having a dick!
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:56:55am |
re: #624 Occasional Reader
Other than, of course, the World's Oldest Professional.
Thats right. Keep those f'ing lawyers out of the class rooms!
//
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:57:30am |
re: #531 VioletTiger
They are determined to sneak it in somehow.
Problem for them is--people are not as dumb as they thought.
At just under $900 billion - it will be a bargain. We can let the government kill off most of the economy - so that a few more folks have access to insurance. Killing the good for Utopia. I'm certain it will work. *Pay no attention of the economy or the deficit.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:58:15am |
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:58:18am |
re: #628 MandyManners
I hate stepping on my dick but, I am not afraid to admit I'm wrong if I am wrong.
Those spike heels can be murder, no?
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:58:31am |
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:58:37am |
re: #627 laZardo
re: #622 BlueCanuck
And trigger sirens in peoples' heads.
Ok, you're about to get a Pan upside your head for these puns and for being a pain in Uranus.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:59:12am |
re: #632 TheMatrix31
Oh nothing. Of course all these guys that are seemingly tied together holding the same ideologies have nothing to do with each other or anything regarding present-day views. OF COURSE.
Ugh.
I think avanti is referring to the specific claim that this Jeff Jones is a "science czar". And that claim seems highly questionable.
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avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:59:46am |
re: #628 MandyManners
I hate stepping on my dick but, I am not afraid to admit I'm wrong if I am wrong.
I prefer misinformed, to wrong. There is so much BS floating around out there, it's hard to fact check when so much is flat out lies or the most tenuous associations.
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garycooper Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:59:49am |
re: #609 Killgore Trout
I just got here. Did Obama nominate a weather underground guy for something?
Yes...he appointed Peter Sinclair the new Czar of Anthropedantic Global Climate Warmening. Broad, sweeping powers. Also, Sinclair is in the running for Poet Laureate, for his work in greeting cards.
Hello, Cards!
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:00:04am |
re: #642 Occasional Reader
I think avanti is referring to the specific claim that this Jeff Jones is a "science czar". And that claim seems highly questionable.
But we do know who is in charge of all these czars:
Czar Czar Binks.
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haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:00:06am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:00:16am |
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:00:31am |
re: #639 Spare O'Lake
Those spike heels can be murder, no?
If, in addition to the Hermes scarf reference, this now turns into some fru-fru womens' shoe pun thread... how boring! I'll get a real case of the blah-niks.
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haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:00:53am |
re: #645 Kosh's Shadow
But we do know who is in charge of all these czars:
Czar Czar Binks.
Me-sa not impress.
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Coracle Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:00:59am |
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:01:34am |
re: #609 Killgore Trout
I just got here. Did Obama nominate a weather underground guy for something?
Close. Al Roker is now viceroy of Brazil.
/something like that
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:01:54am |
re: #645 Kosh's Shadow
But we do know who is in charge of all these czars:
Czar Czar Binks.
Does he speak pidgin too?
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avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:01:56am |
re: #632 TheMatrix31
Oh nothing. Of course all these guys that are seemingly tied together holding the same ideologies have nothing to do with each other or anything regarding present-day views. OF COURSE.
Ugh.
OK, educate me. What connection does Jeff Jones have with the Obama administration ?
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:01:58am |
re: #648 Occasional Reader
If, in addition to the Hermes scarf reference, this now turns into some fru-fru womens' shoe pun thread... how boring! I'll get a real case of the blah-niks.
Oh MANolo, you did not just go there!
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:02:29am |
re: #648 Occasional Reader
If, in addition to the Hermes scarf reference, this now turns into some fru-fru womens' shoe pun thread... how boring! I'll get a real case of the blah-niks.
Hopefully we won't have to muffler.
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laZardo Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:02:45am |
re: #651 Occasional Reader
Close. Al Roker is now viceroy of Brazil.
/something like that
Wouldn't wanna get lost in his neck of the woods.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:02:48am |
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opnion Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:03:43am |
re: #630 avanti
True, and Jeff Jones was a member, but what has that to do with czars, or Obama. I know Beck made the connection, but it's hard to follow.
I was just making the smaller point about the Weather Underground.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:03:54am |
re: #654 Creeping Eruption
Oh MANolo, you did not just go there!
I don't know about you, but this pretty much exhausts my list of fru-fru womens' shoe knowledge... erm... hey, how 'bout a gun thread!
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:03:57am |
re: #653 avanti
OK, educate me. What connection does Jeff Jones have with the Obama administration ?
Going by what Mandy said...seems like he has a czar position. Seems like there's a lot of uncertainty actually. But I know the game you play. Even if there was a connection, you'd try to downplay it either way.
"Vietnam Protesters", lol.
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saberry0530 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:04:21am |
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:04:53am |
re: #660 Occasional Reader
I don't know about you, but this pretty much exhausts my list of fru-fru womens' shoe knowledge... erm... hey, how 'bout a gun thread!
What!? Ask that girl Kimber-something you are always talking about. She could help.
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avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:05:04am |
re: #609 Killgore Trout
I just got here. Did Obama nominate a weather underground guy for something?
Only in Beck land. You need t follow the Beck flow chart to figure out any connection with the now gone Van Jones to Jeff Jones.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:05:18am |
Re: Jeff Jones
FWIW, Here's an article on the Apollo Alliance website entitled "Comparing Approved House Stimulus With Apollo Recovery Act". I just found it, haven't read it, and therefore have no conclusions to share. This is genuine Apollo Alliance material, not news/blog articles. It's dated 1/23/2009.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:05:25am |
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:05:28am |
re: #661 TheMatrix31
Going by what Mandy said...seems like he has a czar position. Seems like there's a lot of uncertainty actually. But I know the game you play. Even if there was a connection, you'd try to downplay it either way.
"Vietnam Protesters", lol.
Note that Mandy has since said she's re-evaluating.
I found zilch to support that claim that Jeff Jones is a "czar" of anything.
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DaddyG Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:05:51am |
re: #571 Coracle
Yes, let's go get them to change their approach - 18 years ago. Of course they're exactly the same now. Oh, no, that's right, they're worse now.
The Dems have made an art form of demonizing their opponents while calling for bipartisanship. While I don't like the current crop of crazy on the right, respect has to come from both sides. President Obama and Nancy Pelosi can start by not characterizing every honest opposition of their plans to nationalize large chunks of the economy as "racist" or "ignorant mobs".
Bush worked well with a bipartisan congress in Texas. He was ambushed by the national congress. This is not a "they did it too" but a warning that trust is built over time and the Dems have done almost nothing to help rebuild trust in the political arena.
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Wendya Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:05:56am |
re: #620 lincolntf
Those are the same threads I'm finding. Have you seen one that says something like:"...Jeff Jones, appointed on March 1st to be Czar of XXX..."? That's what I'm looking for.
This guy is a total nut, and I can't (don't want to) believe that he's actually shaping the US Government/economy.
Here's a blog entry he made on 28 Nov 2008:
All of this leads me to the same conclusion reached by Mark Rudd: this guy is really SMART. He is setting Hillary Clinton up to be the public face of his effort to end the Iraq war. He is going to sucessfully extort green concessions from Detroit. He will convince Congress to pass a major stimulus package that will lay the foundation for the development of an alternative energy manufacturing industry. He will do something to help reduce housing foreclosures. He will let the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire.
These various initiatives, which will collectively set the nation on a path towards energy independence, ending the war and redistributing financial resources downward, are presented as unconnected pieces of legislation but actually they are interlocking components of Obama's coherent multi-layered agenda. His centrist appointments are a smokescreen; they co-opt the moderate center, but he's still the commander in chief. Even Lenin would be impressed!
[Link: theragblog.blogspot.com...]
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:05:57am |
re: #663 Creeping Eruption
What!? Ask that girl Kimber-something you are always talking about. She could help.
Very funny. I guess there's a Heckler in every crowd.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:06:35am |
re: #651 Occasional Reader
Close. Al Roker is now viceroy of Brazil.
/something like that
I used to smke Viceroys. I didn't know they came from Brazil and that Al Roker sold them!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:06:49am |
re: #664 avanti
Yeah, A quick google turned up result from Glenn Beck and WND. Too early for me me to explore crazyland. Maybe later.
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avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:07:09am |
re: #661 TheMatrix31
Going by what Mandy said...seems like he has a czar position. Seems like there's a lot of uncertainty actually. But I know the game you play. Even if there was a connection, you'd try to downplay it either way.
"Vietnam Protesters", lol.
There is no uncertainty, Jeff Jones has zero connection to the Obama administration except in Beck's head as far as I can find, but I'm willing to be corrected.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:07:31am |
re: #667 Occasional Reader
Note that Mandy has since said she's re-evaluating.
I found zilch to support that claim that Jeff Jones is a "czar" of anything.
Hey, like she said -- If she's wrong, she's wrong.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:07:36am |
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garycooper Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:07:40am |
re: #617 JamesTKirk
Any high (or low) points, for those of us who missed it and prefer to keep it that way?
Too much heat and ad hominem, for this humble student of the process.
| 677 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:07:52am |
re: #643 avanti
I prefer misinformed, to wrong. There is so much BS floating around out there, it's hard to fact check when so much is flat out lies or the most tenuous associations.
From what I read over the weekend, Jeff Jones is a huge enviroweenie in New York State. He had access to the drafting of the stinulus bill. It was through his connection to the Apollo Allaince, which, IIRC, Violet Tiger mentioned above.
| 678 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:07:59am |
re: #670 Occasional Reader
Just glock 'em upside the head and watch 'em whine to the blogs about that lump.
| 679 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:08:15am |
re: #670 Occasional Reader
Very funny. I guess there's a Heckler in every crowd.
You are very good at finding them too. Heckler pops up, OR cleans their Glock. They humbly sit down.
| 680 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:08:52am |
re: #670 Occasional Reader
re: #663 Creeping Eruption
What!? Ask that girl Kimber-something you are always talking about. She could help.
Very funny. I guess there's a Heckler in every crowd.
And MM already said she stepped on her Koch.
/
| 681 |
Pianobuff Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:08:57am |
Additionally, here's a search string for "stimulus" on the Apollo Alliance website.
There are lots of articles, which, from the headlines seem to have a promotional tone, but without reading them all it's hard to say if there is a direct line or not.
| 682 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:09:02am |
re: #673 avanti
There is no uncertainty, Jeff Jones has zero connection to the Obama administration except in Beck's head as far as I can find, but I'm willing to be corrected.
So, nothing new here . . .
| 683 |
Wendya Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:09:05am |
re: #643 avanti
I prefer misinformed, to wrong. There is so much BS floating around out there, it's hard to fact check when so much is flat out lies or the most tenuous associations.
That's what happens when you set up a shadow cabinet that has no congressional oversight. These people aren't vetted by the administration, the media or the congress.
| 684 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:09:25am |
There is nothing like fact-checking your own ass early in the morning.
I'm not sure.
| 685 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:10:14am |
re: #684 MandyManners
That's a good point, especially since asses tend to do little more than talk shit and hot air.
| 686 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:10:21am |
re: #684 MandyManners
There is nothing like fact-checking your own ass early in the morning.
I'm not sure.
I'm not that flexible.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:10:29am |
Clinton gets it wrong.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
No Clinton - we the people would like our governmetn to work for us- not against us. But thanks for your tired politicized insight.
| 688 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:11:05am |
re: #680 Spenser (with an S)
And MM already said she stepped on her Koch.
/
Careful. The last time some of us posters made fun of Mandy, she nearly Taurus a new one.
| 689 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:11:07am |
re: #672 Killgore Trout
Yeah, A quick google turned up result from Glenn Beck and WND. Too early for me me to explore crazyland. Maybe later.
I saw those links when I Googled but I never checked them out.
| 690 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:12:01am |
re: #680 Spenser (with an S)
And MM already said she stepped on her Koch.
/
I've not said I was wrong. Yet.
| 691 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:12:14am |
re: #687 FrogMarch
Clinton gets it wrong.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]No Clinton - we the people would like our governmetn to work for us- not against us. But thanks for your tired politicized insight.
Clinton and the cronies made my Dad's hospital/medical equipment repair/maintenance business go down the shitter. His bullshit is the reason we had to move down to this hellhole called Los Angeles. For that, I will never forgive him.
| 692 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:12:31am |
re: #685 laZardo
On a related note, I got upding'd by Creeping Eruption, and now I have to go potty. :x brb
| 693 |
Coracle Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:12:38am |
re: #668 DaddyG
The Dems have made an art form of demonizing their opponents while calling for bipartisanship. While I don't like the current crop of crazy on the right, respect has to come from both sides. President Obama and Nancy Pelosi can start by not characterizing every honest opposition of their plans to nationalize large chunks of the economy as "racist" or "ignorant mobs".
You put those words in quotes. I presume it means you have actual quotes of both of those figures using precisely one or the other or both those words? I'd like to see them.
Bush worked well with a bipartisan congress in Texas. He was ambushed by the national congress.
Bush II had a same party majority congress for 6 years. Ambushed, my foot.
This is not a "they did it too" but a warning that trust is built over time and the Dems have done almost nothing to help rebuild trust in the political arena.
That is something both sides are abundantly guilty of, and the Republicans seem equally happy to dig that chasm ever deeper.
| 694 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:12:40am |
re: #688 Occasional Reader
Careful. The last time some of us posters made fun of Mandy, she nearly Taurus a new one.
Lexus not go there.
| 695 |
FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:12:42am |
| 696 |
avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:13:07am |
re: #672 Killgore Trout
Yeah, A quick google turned up result from Glenn Beck and WND. Too early for me me to explore crazyland. Maybe later.
It's easy in the Beck world, you just google any bad guys with Obama appointees and find out they were in the same group 30 years ago, or knew a guy that was n a group that knew a guy that knew a Obama guy.
Very few politicains from either side would survive that sort of association search going back decades.
If you find anything on Beck's "outing" of Jeff Jones, let me know.
| 697 |
DaddyG Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:13:23am |
re: #684 MandyManners
There is nothing like fact-checking your own ass early in the morning.
I'm not sure.
I can see checking for lumps but a self-colonocscopy exam is a bit much! /
| 698 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:13:40am |
re: #690 MandyManners
I've not said I was wrong. Yet.
If you could provide some good links, it would leave your assertion about Jeff Jones a little Les Baer.
/I only do CUSTOM gun puns... [sniff]
| 699 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:14:01am |
| 701 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:14:28am |
re: #697 DaddyG
What would it take to prevent one's ass from becoming an enema of the state now?
| 702 |
midwestgak Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:15:05am |
re: #701 laZardo
What would it take to prevent one's ass from becoming an enema of the state now?
Never, ever stand up./
| 703 |
FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:15:11am |
re: #691 TheMatrix31
Clinton and the cronies made my Dad's hospital/medical equipment repair/maintenance business go down the shitter. His bullshit is the reason we had to move down to this hellhole called Los Angeles. For that, I will never forgive him.
The democrats do no care if they destroy whole businesses or industries. Just so long as "they win". Gotta stick to those evil rethuglicans.
| 704 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:15:34am |
I owe a gamillion up-dings and replies but I'm wiped out. bbiab
| 705 |
lincolntf Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:15:49am |
re: #669 Wendya
"...and redistributing financial resources downward,..."
Oh cripes, not another one.
| 706 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:15:58am |
re: #695 FrogMarch
Adam Smith would not be optimistic in today's economic world
Our current government is giving the invisible hand the visible finger.
| 707 |
MrSilverDragon Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:16:12am |
re: #701 laZardo
What would it take to prevent one's ass from becoming an enema of the state now?
Duct tape.
| 708 |
avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:16:45am |
re: #677 MandyManners
From what I read over the weekend, Jeff Jones is a huge enviroweenie in New York State. He had access to the drafting of the stinulus bill. It was through his connection to the Apollo Allaince, which, IIRC, Violet Tiger mentioned above.
Do you have a link to his input on the drafting of the bill other than speculation ? I saw Beck's speculation that since he knew Van Jones, and they both worked in the field, in Beck's brain, he helped write it.
BTW, I don't even think Van Jones had any input on the stimulus bill, but I'm willing to learn.
| 709 |
yma o hyd Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:16:46am |
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
How are things in Lizardia?
| 710 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:16:48am |
re: #704 MandyManners
I owe a gamillion up-dings and replies but I'm wiped out. bbiab
LGF'ing is serious work.
| 711 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:17:02am |
re: #704 MandyManners
I owe a gamillion up-dings and replies but I'm wiped out. bbiab
You are on a roll.
| 712 |
VioletTiger Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:17:08am |
re: #677 MandyManners
From what I read over the weekend, Jeff Jones is a huge enviroweenie in New York State. He had access to the drafting of the stinulus bill. It was through his connection to the Apollo Allaince, which, IIRC, Violet Tiger mentioned above.
Jeff Jones Apollo Alliance?
| 713 |
FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:17:44am |
re: #700 jaunte
“Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren,” Obama said in a 2006 floor speech that preceded a Senate vote to extend the debt limit. “America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.”
Obama just kicked an already over the top debt into the stratosphere - and it's still Bush's fault. gotta love it.
| 714 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:19:11am |
re: #709 yma o hyd
Trying to stay afloat as the American economy slowly goes ass up. Fiber helps.
| 715 |
lawhawk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:19:23am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Today's education speech by the President is pretty much a snoozer in most fashions, and it's an ode to the President, rather than an inspirational document. Throw in a few buzzwords, and you have a speech that does nothing, and will likely be heard by few of the target audience, because school isn't even in session.
No, for the real action, you have to wait til tomorrow's joint speech before Congress. Obama's advisers say that he's going to be fired up and push the health care reform along to get it done.
The problem isn't his lack of enthusiasm. It's the failure of persuasion. He hasn't persuaded most Americans that we need this kind of overhaul. I don't expect his speech to change things either.
| 716 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:19:59am |
re: #695 FrogMarch
Adam Smith would not be optimistic in today's economic world
"Indeed, it is not impossible that the US will experience the kind of economic collapse from first- to third-world status experienced by Argentina under the national socialist governance of Juan Peron. "
Whisky Tango Foxtrot?!
I hope we don't have to give up our pampa'd lifestyle.
| 717 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:20:08am |
re: #713 FrogMarch
“Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren,” Obama said in a 2006 floor speech that preceded a Senate vote to extend the debt limit. “America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.”
Obama just kicked an already over the top debt into the stratosphere - and it's still Bush's fault. gotta love it.
See that's the problem. His speech today to the kids will be really good, really positive. For that, I thank him.
But if they really cared about the children, he, his people, and the morons in Congress would not have straddled my generation and probably two subsequent generations with enormous, irreparable, unfathomable debt.
| 720 |
Pianobuff Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:20:30am |
Follow-up on Van Jones in The American Spectator. Actually it's more about Valerie Jarret and appointments/decisions, but VJ is part of the story. I'm not aware of any issues linking to this site, but feel free to delete if it's against policy.
The White House shouldn't expect the furor over Special Advisor for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation at the White House Council on Environmental Quality Van Jones to go away just because he's resigned, says a former Obama Administration transition team member, because "the same problems that they created with Jones's hiring are there for others and they don't seem to care about the political damage these people may inflict."
According to several White House sources, Jones was hired for his "green jobs czar" positions over concerns raised by the White House Counsel's Office, after Jones's background materials came back with several of what were termed "inconsistencies" in the Standard Form 86 Questionnaire for National Security Positions.
When confronted with the 2004 9/11 truther petition by the White House communications staff, Jones, according to sources, initially blamed his staff at the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights. The petition was spun by the White House as Jones simply not having read the material closely. Within an hour of the White House statement with Jones's apology, another document came to light indicating that Jones had helped organize a 2002 truther protest march in San Francisco. Jones, according to White House sources, denied any involvement. "It's clear we [the White House] don't know enough about him," said a White House source in the Counsel's office, who spoke on Saturday morning before Jones resigned, and did so anonymously in the hopes that information about concerns raised by the counsel's office about Jones might push him out of the Administration.
More (also covered is Jaffer's invite to the Ramadan dinner) at the link...
| 722 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:21:29am |
re: #708 avanti
Van Jones describes Apollo Alliance's mission as "sort of a grand unified field theory for progressive left causes."
A director of New York State's chapter of Apollo Alliance is Jeff Jones (no relation to Van Jones). AA's website describes Jeff Jones as someone devoted to "clean[ing] up toxic pollution in inner-city and rural neighborhoods and revers[ing] global warming." The website does not mention that in the 1970s Jones was one of the four key leaders of the Weather Underground terrorist organization, along with Mark Rudd, Bill Ayers, and Bernardine Dohrn.
The Apollo Alliance has a long list of endorsers, among which are: ACORN; Change to Win (an ACORN entity); the SEIU; the Van Jones-founded Ella Baker Center for Human Rights, which claims that the American criminal-justice system is infested with racism; Green For All (another organization founded by Van Jones); the Working Families Party; Greenpeace USA; the League of Conservation Voters; the Natural Resources Defense Council; the Rainforest Action Network; the Sierra Club; the Union of Concerned Scientists; Working Assets; EarthJustice; the National Wildlife Federation; the Progressive States Network; and a host of big labor unions (including the AFL-CIO, AFSCME, Teamsters, Machinists and Aerospace Workers, Electrical Workers, SEIU, Sheet Metal Workers, Transportation Workers, United Auto Workers, Food and Commercial Workers, Mine Workers, and Steel Workers).
Apollo Alliance exerts a powerful influence on the views and policies of the Obama administration. AA helped craft portions of the $787 billion "stimulus" legislation (officially called the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act) that President Obama signed into law in early 2009. Specifically, AA had a hand in writing the "clean energy and green-collar jobs provisions" of the bill, for which $86 billion was earmarked. This included funds "to build new transit and high speed rail lines, weatherize homes, develop next generation batteries for clean vehicles, scale up wind and solar power, build a modern electric grid, and train a new generation of green-collar workers." AA recommended that the stimulus bill allocate $11 billion for the development of a so-called "Smart Grid," which would use digital technology to deliver electricity from suppliers to consumers; ultimately the bill allocated precisely that amount to Smart Grid-related projects, including a $100 million provision for job training related to Smart Grid technology.
Confirming the magnitude of AA's role in shaping the stimulus bill, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said in mid-2009: "The Apollo Alliance has been an important factor in helping us [the U.S. Senate] develop and execute a strategy that makes great progress on these goals and in motivating the public to support them."
In July 2009, Senator Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi appointed AA Board Chair Phil Angelides, the former Treasurer of the State of California, to serve as chairman of the newly created Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission.
Apollo Alliance has received funding directly from the Stephen M. Silberstein Foundation and the Robert & Patricia Switzer Foundation. In addition, AA has been the beneficiary of grants made to the Institute for America's Future that were earmarked specifically for AA; among these were grants from the Nathan Cummings Foundation, the Town Creek Foundation, the Overbrook Foundation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the Max and Anna Levinson Foundation, and the Energy Foundation.
| 723 |
Cato Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:21:33am |
Jameel Jaffer is the next Obama crony to get vetted by Fox.
Charles was light-years ahead on this one.
| 724 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:21:58am |
re: #701 laZardo
What would it take to prevent one's ass from becoming an enema of the state now?
Get it elected, obviously, so it can be in the company of others of its kind.
| 725 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:22:15am |
re: #722 MandyManners
[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]
| 726 |
Wendya Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:22:27am |
Okay, from a quick search here's what I found:
Jeff Jones made a blog entry back in November of last year that makes some eerily accurate predictions about the stimulus bill.
[Link: theragblog.blogspot.com...]
Jeff Jones is the director of the New York division of the Apollo Alliance.
[Link: apolloalliance.org...]
Earlier this year, Harry Reid had this to say:
“This legislation is the first step in building a clean energy economy that creates jobs and moves us closer to solving our enormous energy and environmental challenges,” said Senator Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat and Senate Majority Leader. “We’ve talked about moving forward on these ideas for decades. The Apollo Alliance has been an important factor in helping us develop and execute a strategy that makes great progress on these goals and in motivating the public to support them.”
[Link: apolloalliance.org...]
| 727 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:22:48am |
re: #715 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Today's education speech by the President is pretty much a snoozer in most fashions, and it's an ode to the President, rather than an inspirational document. Throw in a few buzzwords, and you have a speech that does nothing, and will likely be heard by few of the target audience, because school isn't even in session.
And of course, how many kids will really be paying attention?
It will be the face that launched a thousand spitballs.
| 728 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:23:22am |
re: #722 MandyManners
Ha,des organizations really wanna fight conspiracy with conspiracy.
| 729 |
Pianobuff Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:23:47am |
re: #723 Cato
Jameel Jaffer is the next Obama crony to get vetted by Fox.
Charles was light-years ahead on this one.
You may want to read this (linked earlier). About halfway through Jaffer is discussed...
Playing to those types is another reason Jarrett's office approved the invitation of Jameel Jaffer, who runs the ACLU's "national security project," to the White House Ramadan dinner last week. Jaffer, a Canadian citizen, attended the dinner, which President Obama said was being held for American Muslims.
Jaffer is a cause célèbre to the far left for his career of litigating against the United States in support of terrorists and radical Islamists, and has proudly touted his awards from groups like CAIR.
"We had other names on the list for invitations, but Jarrett's office wanted Jaffer in the room. We were told it was important," says a White House source. "It was made clear that his presence was something senior folks here wanted to happen."
Jaffer has filed lawsuits challenging the FBI's "national security letter" authority, the constitutionality of warrantless wiretaps, and has been a leader in pushing for the shut down of Guantánamo Bay, and providing legal rights to terrorists held by the United States overseas in such countries as Iraq and Afghanistan. His efforts enabled the leaking of "torture photos" out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and some sources inside the Central Intelligence Agency believe he was one of the lawyers who provided legal advice to the Department of Justice to pursue an investigation into enhanced interrogation techniques used by the CIA.
More at the link.
| 730 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:24:26am |
re: #727 Kosh's Shadow
And of course, how many kids will really be paying attention?
It will be the face that launched a thousand spitballs.
You know at least that those creepy kids from the Obama "Children of the Corn Chorus" video will be watching raptly...
| 731 |
lincolntf Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:25:08am |
re: #713 FrogMarch
What he really should say to those kids is
"...Listen guys, I gotta borrow a couple trillion dollars from your futures...is that cool?...
Okay, look, I already took it out of your piggy bank.
Now don't get all wee-wee'd up. I swear I'm good for it...Later"
| 732 |
avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:25:16am |
re: #683 Wendya
That's what happens when you set up a shadow cabinet that has no congressional oversight. These people aren't vetted by the administration, the media or the congress.
How can you vet someone like Jeff Jones when the only connection to the administration we can find are on Beck's flow chart.
| 733 |
gregb Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:25:39am |
re: #572 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Michael Moore's new movie concludes that capitalism is evil.
It's a self-defacing satire?
| 734 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:25:58am |
| 735 |
Pianobuff Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:26:26am |
re: #726 Wendya
Okay, from a quick search here's what I found:
Jeff Jones made a blog entry back in November of last year that makes some eerily accurate predictions about the stimulus bill.
[Link: theragblog.blogspot.com...]Jeff Jones is the director of the New York division of the Apollo Alliance.
[Link: apolloalliance.org...]Earlier this year, Harry Reid had this to say:
[Link: apolloalliance.org...]
See #665 and #681 as well.
| 736 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:26:52am |
re: #734 Occasional Reader
I must keep my motorcycle diary out to chronicle these changes for future generations to learn from.
| 737 |
avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:27:17am |
re: #712 VioletTiger
Jeff Jones Apollo Alliance?
Jeff Jones is a leftie with a radical background, but why is Beck after him ? What has he to do with the present administration ??
| 738 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:28:28am |
re: #732 avanti
re: #683 Wendya
That's what happens when you set up a shadow cabinet that has no congressional oversight. These people aren't vetted by the administration, the media or the congress.
How can you vet someone like Jeff Jones when the only connection to the administration we can find are on Beck's flow chart.
Better question; How can you vet influence, not a position?
The Apollo Alliance has been an important factor in helping us develop and execute a strategy that makes great progress on these goals and in motivating the public to support them.”
| 739 |
FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:28:31am |
re: #731 lincolntf
What he really should say to those kids is
"...Listen guys, I gotta borrow a couple trillion dollars from your futures...is that cool?...
Okay, look, I already took it out of your piggy bank.
Now don't get all wee-wee'd up. I swear I'm good for it...Later"
God Bless America.
| 740 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:29:08am |
re: #736 laZardo
I must keep my motorcycle diary out to chronicle these changes for future generations to learn from.
LaZardo, you truly demonstrate The Importance of Being Ernesto.
| 741 |
Sloppy Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:29:44am |
Am I the only lizard who tires of puns after the first one?
| 745 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:33:14am |
re: #741 Sloppy
Am I the only lizard who tires of puns after the first one?
Why yes ,,, yes you are!
| 746 |
sasquatchonsteroids Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:33:40am |
| 747 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:34:18am |
re: #741 Sloppy
Am I the only lizard who tires of puns after the first one?
I can see why someone like yourself wouldn't go for seconds.
| 749 |
VioletTiger Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:34:44am |
re: #737 avanti
Jeff Jones is a leftie with a radical background, but why is Beck after him ? What has he to do with the present administration ??
I think because he was Weather Undergound and now linked to the Apollo Alliance, which if I read one of the links above correctly, Harry Reid said was influential in the stimulus bill.
| 750 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:34:59am |
re: #741 Sloppy
Am I the only lizard who tires of puns after the first one?
Well, if so, this won't be a Goodyear for you.
/I'm truly sorry
| 751 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:35:05am |
re: #737 avanti
Jeff Jones is a leftie with a radical background, but why is Beck after him ? What has he to do with the present administration ??
Nos. 665, 681 and 722.
| 752 |
Wendya Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:35:25am |
re: #732 avanti
How can you vet someone like Jeff Jones when the only connection to the administration we can find are on Beck's flow chart.
I laid out what I found about Jones. Either he had a hand in the stimulus bill or he should be a professional gambler. The Apollo Alliance helped develop the stimulus bill. This was confirmed by Harry Reid. Jeff Jones is the NY director of the Apollo alliance. Jeff Jones made claims last November about what would be in the stimulus bill. Sorry, this isn't a coincidence. Jones isn't a Czar but he obviously has the administration's ear.
| 753 |
Pianobuff Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:35:57am |
In a radical report, the UN Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) has said the system of currencies and capital rules which binds the world economy is not working properly, and was largely responsible for the financial and economic crises.
It added that the present system, under which the dollar acts as the world's reserve currency , should be subject to a wholesale reconsideration.
Although a number of countries, including China and Russia, have suggested replacing the dollar as the world's reserve currency, the UNCTAD report is the first time a major multinational institution has posited such a suggestion.
In essence, the report calls for a new Bretton Woods-style system of managed international exchange rates, meaning central banks would be forced to intervene and either support or push down their currencies depending on how the rest of the world economy is behaving.
The proposals would also imply that surplus nations such as China and Germany should stimulate their economies further in order to cut their own imbalances, rather than, as in the present system, deficit nations such as the UK and US having to take the main burden of readjustment.
"Replacing the dollar with an artificial currency would solve some of the problems related to the potential of countries running large deficits and would help stability," said Detlef Kotte, one of the report's authors. "But you will also need a system of managed exchange rates. Countries should keep real exchange rates [adjusted for inflation] stable. Central banks would have to intervene and if not they would have to be told to do so by a multilateral institution such as the International Monetary Fund."
The proposals, included in UNCTAD's annual Trade and Development Report , amount to the most radical suggestions for redesigning the global monetary system.
Although many economists have pointed out that the economic crisis owed more to the malfunctioning of the post-Bretton Woods system, until now no major institution, including the G20 , has come up with an alternative.
| 754 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:36:01am |
I'm gonna' look at Lenn Eck's and WND's sites to see what I can find out about Jeff Jones being a czar.
| 755 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:36:28am |
re: #750 Spenser (with an S)
Well, if so, this won't be a Goodyear for you.
/I'm truly sorry
We should reach out to him, maybe build a Bridgestone.
| 757 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:36:49am |
| 758 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:37:02am |
re: #754 MandyManners
I'm gonna' look at Lenn Eck's and WND's sites to see what I can find out about Jeff Jones being a czar.
Leave a trail of breadcrumbs for your return voyage.
| 759 |
DaddyG Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:37:04am |
re: #693 Coracle I stand corrected - Pelosi was smooth enough to say "you judge for yourself" to a reporter when asked if the protests were legitimate. She implied they were astroturf and accused them of carrying swastikas. I'm sure you saw the video clip.
The bottom line. The current administration is more than ready to characterize their opponents as dishonorable based on a few crazies among them (A bona-fide Saul Alynski tactic), which is by the way why I am so hard on the nuts on the right and wish the Republicans would disavow them more forcefully.
Now when will you have honest criticism about "get in their faces" Obama and the hoardes of lefties carrying Hitler/Bush posters and yelling for revolution?
In fact do your own homework and find a single time when Bush publicly characterized his political opponents as Nazis, astroturfing, racist or any other derogatory term. (I can think of one when he called a reporter an A--hole in an overheard whispered comment to his VP and that wasn't even a public statement).
You had better shy away from using the "they did it too" argument if it really bothers you.
| 760 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:37:18am |
Okay, now I'm REALLY going to bed.
Let me know what you find, Mandy.
Good night dudes
| 761 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:37:43am |
re: #753 Pianobuff
Oh, that's going to make a lot of people get nervous, methinks. Those of us who call ourselves Christians have seen one-world currency as an issue that is involved in end-times stuff.
Crazy.
Morning, everyone.
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avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:38:47am |
re: #722 MandyManners
OK, so we have the following facts.
The Apollo alliance along with other environmental groups had some input on the stimulus bill.
Jeff Jones, a environmentalist headed up the New York chapter of Apollo. So Jeff Jones was part of a group, that was a part of many environmental groups with input.
I don't see the smoking gun that Beck does .
| 765 |
lincolntf Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:38:59am |
re: #749 VioletTiger
I have to think that with this guy, everybody who's not a totally raving moonbat would agree that he's a kook.
I wonder what's the fastest/best way to figure out how much influence he has/will have in the WH. Anything above "zero influence" is way too much.
| 766 |
lawhawk Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:39:45am |
re: #572 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Michael Moore's new movie concludes that capitalism is evil.
Funny, but without that evil capitalism, the following wouldn't be present:
Fujifilm - a publicly traded company that uses the stock markets to raise capital to fund its R&D. World leader in film and digital tech.
Kodak - a publicly traded company that uses the stock markets to raise capital to fund its R&D. World leader in film and digital tech.
Panavision - privately held subsidiary of an equity firm, that is world leader in film tech.
Paramount Vantage - subsidiary to Viacom, a publicly traded company that uses the stock markets to raise capital to fund the distribution of films (Moore's distributor).
Weinstein Bros - a private company headed by the Weinstein brothers, who raised capital via venture capital and personal fortunes amassed at other entities (including Mirimax - a Disney company - a publicly traded company) (Moore's distributor).
So, without that evil capitalism Moore spouts off about, he wouldn't have had the means to produce and distribute the movie in the first place.
On second thought, capitalism is evil. /
| 767 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:40:04am |
re: #764 avanti
OK, so we have the following facts.
The Apollo alliance along with other environmental groups had some input on the stimulus bill.
Jeff Jones, a environmentalist headed up the New York chapter of Apollo. So Jeff Jones was part of a group, that was a part of many environmental groups with input.
I don't see the smoking gun that Beck does .
Hey buddy, Beck doesn't post here. In fact, I'd venture to say that none of us here right now like him. Please, lay off it and deal with those who are trying to sort out the situation.
Thanks.
| 768 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:40:38am |
From what I can gather, JEFF JONES IS NOT A CZAR!
| 769 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:40:57am |
re: #766 lawhawk
Funny, but without that evil capitalism, the following wouldn't be present:
Fujifilm - a publicly traded company that uses the stock markets to raise capital to fund its R&D. World leader in film and digital tech.
Kodak - a publicly traded company that uses the stock markets to raise capital to fund its R&D. World leader in film and digital tech.
Panavision - privately held subsidiary of an equity firm, that is world leader in film tech.
Paramount Vantage - subsidiary to Viacom, a publicly traded company that uses the stock markets to raise capital to fund the distribution of films (Moore's distributor).
Weinstein Bros - a private company headed by the Weinstein brothers, who raised capital via venture capital and personal fortunes amassed at other entities (including Mirimax - a Disney company - a publicly traded company) (Moore's distributor).So, without that evil capitalism Moore spouts off about, he wouldn't have had the means to produce and distribute the movie in the first place.
On second thought, capitalism is evil. /
You're assuming that Moore understands the concept of cause and effect. I think that has been proven false some time ago.
| 771 |
Wendya Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:41:20am |
re: #764 avanti
OK, so we have the following facts.
The Apollo alliance along with other environmental groups had some input on the stimulus bill.
Jeff Jones, a environmentalist headed up the New York chapter of Apollo. So Jeff Jones was part of a group, that was a part of many environmental groups with input.
I don't see the smoking gun that Beck does .
Did you read the blog entry Jones made back in November of last year?
Doesn't it make you go hmmm?
| 772 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:42:29am |
re: #764 avanti
Jeff Jones was also part of the Weather Underground as a leader. Along with William Ayers, and Bernadine Dhorne. Pretty damn close to the POTUS I think.
| 774 |
Wendya Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:43:08am |
re: #768 MandyManners
From what I can gather, JEFF JONES IS NOT A CZAR!
No, there are 33 czars and Jones isn't one of them.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence that his predictions for what would be in the stimulus bill were so accurate.
| 775 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:43:43am |
re: #761 vxbush
Oh, that's going to make a lot of people get nervous, methinks. Those of us who call ourselves Christians have seen one-world currency as an issue that is involved in end-times stuff.
Crazy.
Morning, everyone.
I think the End-timers are going to find their "signs and symbols" without any reference to external reality anyway.
(I recall channel-surfing through the "700 Club" in early January 2000, in which they were insisting that the whole Y2K END OF DAYS thing was still a go!, due to... the existence of some (alleged) Y2K-bug-related local power outages in Texas. Um, right... local Texan power outage, end of civilization... close enough!)
| 776 |
Pianobuff Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:43:51am |
re: #772 BlueCanuck
Jeff Jones was also part of the Weather Underground as a leader. Along with William Ayers, and Bernadine Dhorne. Pretty damn close to the POTUS I think.
Well, Jeff Jones is certainly consistent in his focus on "weather"!
| 777 |
avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:44:23am |
re: #749 VioletTiger
I think because he was Weather Undergound and now linked to the Apollo Alliance, which if I read one of the links above correctly, Harry Reid said was influential in the stimulus bill.
Got that, just don't get the outrage. Jeff Jones like Van Jones, is far left, as are many tree huggers. From all I've read, they have both have done good work in their field, and the Apollo alliance is not exactly a fringe group.
| 778 |
Wendya Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:44:36am |
re: #572 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Michael Moore's new movie concludes that capitalism is evil.
It's sure been good to him.
| 780 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:45:25am |
re: #768 MandyManners
From what I can gather, JEFF JONES IS NOT A CZAR!
Here, have a Ricola... your voice sounds kind of rasp-utin-y.
| 781 |
DaddyG Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:45:59am |
re: #741 Sloppy
Am I the only lizard who tires of puns after the first one?
Will you be seeking pun-a-tive damages if we continue?
| 782 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:46:06am |
re: #775 Occasional Reader
I think the End-timers are going to find their "signs and symbols" without any reference to external reality anyway.
(I recall channel-surfing through the "700 Club" in early January 2000, in which they were insisting that the whole Y2K END OF DAYS thing was still a go!, due to... the existence of some (alleged) Y2K-bug-related local power outages in Texas. Um, right... local Texan power outage, end of civilization... close enough!)
I never watch the 700 club, and never deal with any of those online Christian "groups." But the one-world currency thing has long been considered a marker of end-times stuff by Christians with many different views (pre-millinialist, post-mil, a-mil).
| 784 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:46:29am |
| 785 |
FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:47:55am |
re: #766 lawhawk
Funny, but without that evil capitalism, the following wouldn't be present:
So, without that evil capitalism Moore spouts off about, he wouldn't have had the means to produce and distribute the movie in the first place.
On second thought, capitalism is evil. /
Moore should move to Cuba and become one with the Cuban people. Live in a cinder block house, and be treated to the finest medical care on the planet. I'm certain the Cuban diet could help him lose some weight.
| 786 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:47:58am |
re: #784 MandyManners
Let's take a look at Apollo Alliance.
Board of directors
[Link: apolloalliance.org...]
Gerald Hudson has served as Executive Vice President of SEIU since June 2004
...
Oh good.
| 787 |
Pianobuff Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:48:08am |
re: #777 avanti
Got that, just don't get the outrage. Jeff Jones like Van Jones, is far left, as are many tree huggers. From all I've read, they have both have done good work in their field, and the Apollo alliance is not exactly a fringe group.
Can you at least acknowledge that it is not crazy if some people might view an organization that has given Jeff Jones an important position as flirting with the fringe?
| 788 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:48:40am |
re: #782 vxbush
But the one-world currency thing has long been considered a marker of end-times stuff by Christians with many different views
Yes, I know. But they also tend to seize on pretty much EVERYTHING as a marker. Which isn't hard to do, given the highly vague language in the Apocalypse of St. John. "There will be earthquakes..." And, waddya know, there was an earthquake just the other day! Proof! Etc.
| 789 |
avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:48:54am |
re: #768 MandyManners
From what I can gather, JEFF JONES IS NOT A CZAR!
re: #772 BlueCanuck
Jeff Jones was also part of the Weather Underground as a leader. Along with William Ayers, and Bernadine Dhorne. Pretty damn close to the POTUS I think.
Ok, we'll agree to disagree on how close Jeff Jones is to the POTUS and move on.
| 790 |
Pianobuff Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:48:54am |
re: #782 vxbush
I never watch the 700 club, and never deal with any of those online Christian "groups." But the one-world currency thing has long been considered a marker of end-times stuff by Christians with many different views (pre-millinialist, post-mil, a-mil).
Yes. Alex Jones is going to be urinating all over himself in glee this week.
| 791 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:48:59am |
re: #784 MandyManners
Let's take a look at Apollo Alliance.
Board of directors
[Link: apolloalliance.org...]
But can anyone ever point to any progress created by these groups? I mean, some lizard last week made a point that I thought was rather astute: progress in protecting the environment has to come from industry, from people who create products that will clean the environment or prevent waste or recommend reuse. These alliances, funds, and whatnots aren't producing much that improves the environment, from what I can see.
Granted, it was foggy this morning, so I can't say that I see much. Please, someone tell me I'm wrong.
| 792 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:49:07am |
re: #786 TheMatrix31
Nice to see they're keeping the workers' special interests in mind.
/Solidarity was a good union. These...not so sure.
| 793 |
J.D. Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:49:28am |
Step away from the computer...
Internet addiction center opens in US
...The effects of addiction are no joke. They range from loss of a job or marriage to car accidents for those who can't stop texting while driving. Some people have died after playing video games for days without a break, generally stemming from a blood clot associated with being sedentary...
...or at least take your coumadin.
| 794 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:49:35am |
Where does it get its money?
[Link: apolloalliance.org...]
Lookee--the American Federation of Teachers, AFL-CIO. And, other unions.
| 795 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:50:38am |
re: #791 vxbush
But can anyone ever point to any progress created by these groups? I mean, some lizard last week made a point that I thought was rather astute: progress in protecting the environment has to come from industry, from people who create products that will clean the environment or prevent waste or recommend reuse. These alliances, funds, and whatnots aren't producing much that improves the environment, from what I can see.
Granted, it was foggy this morning, so I can't say that I see much. Please, someone tell me I'm wrong.
AA had a hand in writing the green thingies in the stimulus bill.
| 796 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:50:44am |
re: #788 Occasional Reader
Yes, I know. But they also tend to seize on pretty much EVERYTHING as a marker. Which isn't hard to do, given the highly vague language in the Apocalypse of St. John. "There will be earthquakes..." And, waddya know, there was an earthquake just the other day! Proof! Etc.
Heh. True. That's why there have been people screaming about the end times since before the Civil War. And so many Christian writers in the last 300 years have proclaimed that we must be getting close, because society has completely broken down. I think even Thomas Aquinas said the same. :D
| 797 |
DaddyG Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:51:00am |
re: #763 laZardo
Dick Cheney shot his critics in the face.
/although at least it was kinda funny.
He shot his supporters in the face. Get with it! / ;-)
| 798 |
Lincolntf Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:51:02am |
re: #784 MandyManners
Kind of a fun mix.
Mainly enviros, a few corporate types, a "Zero Population Growth" director, couple of Labor bosses, a political hack, etc...
| 799 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:51:35am |
re: #794 MandyManners
Where does it get its money?
[Link: apolloalliance.org...]
Lookee--the American Federation of Teachers, AFL-CIO. And, other unions.
Can we just rename them the Appalling Alliance?
| 800 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:52:40am |
re: #795 MandyManners
AA had a hand in writing the green thingies in the stimulus bill.
Yes, but I'm not talking about bills and paperwork and carbon credits. I'm talking about tangible products that actually do something to clean up waste, encourage recycling, or otherwise make a real physical change to the environment for the better.
Rules that specify you must use CFL bulbs doesn't really count in my book. The company who makes the CFL bulb does.
| 801 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:52:53am |
| 802 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:53:16am |
re: #800 vxbush
Yes, but I'm not talking about bills and paperwork and carbon credits. I'm talking about tangible products that actually do something to clean up waste, encourage recycling, or otherwise make a real physical change to the environment for the better.
Rules that specify you must use CFL bulbs
doesn'tdon't really count in my book. The company who makes the CFL bulb does.
PIMF.
| 803 |
avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:53:47am |
re: #784 MandyManners
Let's take a look at Apollo Alliance.
Board of directors
[Link: apolloalliance.org...]
Here's Apollo reply to Beck. (watch Beck's rant linked too)
| 804 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:53:49am |
re: #204 freetoken
BTW, PJM founder Roger L. Simon is praising Glenn Beck...
Not surprised. There's a reason why I don't work with PJ Media any more. It's gone hard right recently.
| 805 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:53:58am |
re: #796 vxbush
Heh. True. That's why there have been people screaming about the end times since before the Civil War. And so many Christian writers in the last 300 years have proclaimed that we must be getting close, because society has completely broken down. I think even Thomas Aquinas said the same. :D
I think it goes back to Revelation, considering "john" was writing about contemporary historical mattes and actually predicting the "end" close to his time.
Exegesis has tried to continually move the target and deny the actual content of the greek scriptures.
Dishonest, but not a surprise.
| 806 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:53:59am |
| 807 |
FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:54:00am |
re: #794 MandyManners
Where does it get its money?
[Link: apolloalliance.org...]
Lookee--the American Federation of Teachers, AFL-CIO. And, other unions.
Holy cow.
| 808 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:54:08am |
re: #784 MandyManners
Let's take a look at Apollo Alliance.
Board of directors
[Link: apolloalliance.org...]
There's only one Person of Color on their board. Tokenism! They're obviously a bunch of racists.
/if the libs can play this, why can't we?
| 809 |
sasquatchonsteroids Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:54:53am |
re: #768 MandyManners
From what I can gather, JEFF JONES IS NOT A CZAR!
Obama, however, is certainly Czarstruck.
| 810 |
Gus Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:54:54am |
| 811 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:54:58am |
re: #804 Charles
Not surprised. There's a reason why I don't work with PJ Media any more. It's gone hard right recently.
Good morning, Charles. I actually didn't know this, but then, I don't really read much PJM-related material these days.
| 812 |
FrogMarch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:55:10am |
re: #801 MandyManners
Endorsers.
[Link: apolloalliance.org...]
Lotsa' unions. ACORN. Ella Barker Center. et bloody cet
wow. that's 'lotso union love money.
| 813 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:55:32am |
re: #795 MandyManners
AA had a hand in writing the green thingies in the stimulus bill.
Is that why the stimulus bill had 12 steps?
///
| 814 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:55:43am |
re: #805 Walter L. Newton
I think it goes back to Revelation, considering "john" was writing about contemporary historical mattes and actually predicting the "end" close to his time.
Exegesis has tried to continually move the target and deny the actual content of the greek scriptures.
Dishonest, but not a surprise.
Do you say the same thing about the prophecies in Daniel and Ezekiel? There is some agreement between the three about something to come that, so far as I'm aware, we haven't seen yet.
| 816 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:56:15am |
| 818 |
Pianobuff Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:57:03am |
re: #801 MandyManners
Endorsers.
[Link: apolloalliance.org...]
Lotsa' unions. ACORN. Ella Barker Center. et bloody cet
Way back at a different place, a co-worker and I observed how many people in our organization slept with each other. One weekend we decided to draw a chart. After working for a while there were too many lines going to different people and it was hard to read. We noticed a few "hubs" of activity though. After strategically putting the hub people (the sluts, if you will) in place, drawing the network became a much easier task with a very readable result.
I don't know what made me think of that, though.
| 820 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:57:38am |
re: #813 Kosh's Shadow
Step 1. Admit there is a problem.
Step 2. Find a bunch of ways to stop it and stick it in the bill.
Steps 3-11. ???
Step 12. PROFIT!
/special thanks to the Underwear Elves' Union
| 821 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:57:39am |
re: #808 Occasional Reader
There's only one Person of Color on their board. Tokenism! They're obviously a bunch of racists.
/if the libs can play this, why can't we?
Leave JRR out of this for petes sake.
| 822 |
Gus Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:57:48am |
re: #817 Sharmuta
Thanks.
You're welcome.
BTW, hope I wasn't over the top last night -- was partying on my end. Maybe I wasn't.
| 823 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:58:16am |
re: #809 sasquatchonsteroids
Obama, however, is certainly Czarstruck.
Maybe they will do a special Dancing with the Czars
| 824 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:58:24am |
re: #805 Walter L. Newton
I think it goes back to Revelation, considering "john" was writing about contemporary historical mattes
You misspelled "lattes".
/
(it WOULD explain the origin of the Cappucin monastic order, though, wouldn't it?)
| 825 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:58:54am |
re: #823 Creeping Eruption
Maybe they will do a special Dancing with the Czars
Gah. That requires brain bleach.
| 826 |
MrSilverDragon Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:59:08am |
re: #806 Creeping Eruption
Oh great, a torte thread./
Some people are petit four pun threads. I tend to laugh about them.
| 827 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:59:08am |
re: #820 laZardo
Step 1. Admit there is a problem.
Step 2. Find a bunch of ways to stop it and stick it in the bill.
Steps 3-11. ???
Step 12. PROFIT!/special thanks to the Underwear Elves' Union
No profit; this is leftist government stuff. Step 12 is TAXES.
| 829 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:59:16am |
re: #464 VioletTiger
So Jeff Jones, the Weather Underground Jeff Jones, is a czar?
No, he is not a "czar."
Good grief. Are we going to bring the crazy into LGF now too?
| 830 |
mbruce Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:59:24am |
O just couldn't help himself, planted a health care question with the kids
| 831 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:59:25am |
| 832 |
Desert Dog Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:59:39am |
| 833 |
Lincolntf Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:59:42am |
re: #815 MandyManners
Nominees for Apollo Staff member of the Month are due today. Here's mine.
Andrea Buffa
| 834 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:59:59am |
re: #828 buzzsawmonkey
You won't be late for the End Times with the new End Times Timepiece™!
This state of the art wristwatch has the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse on its face, and contains a chip which, at the touch of a button, will play an appropriate Biblical verse for each hour on the dial!
Egads, now you've done it...I'll end up seeing that commercial on late-night TV in about three weeks...
| 835 |
laZardo Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:00:10am |
re: #827 Kosh's Shadow
Either 3 or 11 would be TAXES, which results in PROFIT! for the politicians writing it.
| 836 |
Pianobuff Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:00:29am |
re: #828 buzzsawmonkey
You won't be late for the End Times with the new End Times Timepiece™!
This state of the art wristwatch has the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse on its face, and contains a chip which, at the touch of a button, will play an appropriate Biblical verse for each hour on the dial!
Uh-oh. It's quarter till pestilence. I better shake a tail.
| 837 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:00:34am |
re: #814 vxbush
Do you say the same thing about the prophecies in Daniel and Ezekiel? There is some agreement between the three about something to come that, so far as I'm aware, we haven't seen yet.
Er, yes. Stop reading works by pastors and religious intellects and just read a good textual criticism of the hebrew scriptures.
All the "kings" and forces that would be against Israel have very contemporary equivalents of it's time. And remember, Daniel was written very much later than it appears, probably around 300-100 BCE.
| 838 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:00:51am |
re: #834 vxbush
Egads, now you've done it...I'll end up seeing that commercial on late-night TV in about three weeks...
Billy Mays will come back from the other world to pitch the End Times Timepiece.
| 839 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:01:17am |
re: #824 Occasional Reader
You misspelled "lattes".
/
(it WOULD explain the origin of the Cappucin monastic order, though, wouldn't it?)
I meant "MATTERS " (I think).
| 840 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:01:17am |
Jeff Jones is NOT a czar of anything, and has no position in the Obama administration. There's a lot of unfounded hooey going around claiming all kinds of stuff about Jones.
Here we go again.
| 841 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:01:37am |
re: #831 Kosh's Shadow
Hobbit your way.
Got to watch out for trolls, or just Lizards acting like Ogres
| 842 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:02:15am |
Oh Crap, and Charles is only up to the 400's. Why do I feel nervous?
//
| 843 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:02:26am |
re: #837 Walter L. Newton
Er, yes. Stop reading works by pastors and religious intellects and just read a good textual criticism of the hebrew scriptures.
All the "kings" and forces that would be against Israel have very contemporary equivalents of it's time. And remember, Daniel was written very much later than it appears, probably around 300-100 BCE.
Parts of Daniel, sure, have references to Roman emperors. I don't read that much stuff by pastors and "intellects." But part of it doesn't. Does your comment include Ezekiel? You centered in on Daniel; that's why I asked.
| 844 |
Sharmuta Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:02:31am |
re: #822 Gus 802
You're welcome.
BTW, hope I wasn't over the top last night -- was partying on my end. Maybe I wasn't.
No problem- I just didn't know what to say.
| 845 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:02:32am |
re: #828 buzzsawmonkey
You won't be late for the End Times with the new End Times Timepiece™!
Is that digital, analog, or decalogue?
| 846 |
avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:03:10am |
re: #799 Occasional Reader
Can we just rename them the Appalling Alliance?
I simple don't get the anti environment bias by some on the right, but don't have the time to defend Apollo other than to say I support a strong voice for environmentalists and don't find their group to be "appalling"
| 848 |
J.D. Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:03:28am |
re: #828 buzzsawmonkey
You won't be late for the End Times with the new End Times Timepiece™!
How many complications does it have?
| 849 |
Desert Dog Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:03:59am |
re: #833 Lincolntf
Nominees for Apollo Staff member of the Month are due today. Here's mine.
Andrea Buffa
A professional protester, nice. Her parents sound so proud
| 850 |
Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:03:59am |
Do we have enough czars to create a new deck of cards yet?
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:04:09am |
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wrenchwench Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:04:34am |
re: #804 Charles
Not surprised. There's a reason why I don't work with PJ Media any more. It's gone hard right recently.
I was looking at another blog yesterday [hey, it happens once in a while...] and I thought, "Here's a reasonable person who has not cleaned up his blogroll," and I looked again--it was the PJM Blogroll...
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Gus Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:05:05am |
re: #844 Sharmuta
No problem- I just didn't know what to say.
OK I was babbling away before I fell asleep. It wasn't anything I stay focused on (that topic). Too many body aches to worry about outside stuff in the end. :)
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:05:30am |
re: #838 Kosh's Shadow
Billy Mays will come back from the other world to pitch the End Times Timepiece.
And star in Clapton's new album, More Timepieces, with a remake of "Cocaine."
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Desert Dog Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:05:39am |
re: #846 avanti
I simple don't get the anti environment bias by some on the right, but don't have the time to defend Apollo other than to say I support a strong voice for environmentalists and don't find their group to be "appalling"
You don't get it, Avanti. It's not "anti-environment", it is anti-extreme-leftist- environmentalism. You can still embrace responsibility and not drink the koolaid, yes?
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:05:55am |
re: #849 Desert Dog
A professional protester, nice. Her parents sound so proud
Well thats what a Yale and UC-Berkely education will buy you.
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Wendya Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:06:59am |
re: #777 avanti
the Apollo alliance is not exactly a fringe group.
This may come as a shock to you but many, if not all on the right, don't particularly consider an organization that hires a former domestic terrorist as "mainstream'. Seriously, hiring Bill Ayers or Jeff Jones for your organization makes you fringe and kooky.
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avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:09:19am |
re: #787 Pianobuff
Can you at least acknowledge that it is not crazy if some people might view an organization that has given Jeff Jones an important position as flirting with the fringe?
I think Jeff Jones got the position because of his skills in the environmental movement, not his associations 30-40 years ago with the radical left.
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:09:20am |
re: #829 Charles
No, he is not a "czar."
Good grief. Are we going to bring the crazy into LGF now too?
I believe we figured out that the answer was no.
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avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:10:38am |
re: #794 MandyManners
Where does it get its money?
[Link: apolloalliance.org...]
Lookee--the American Federation of Teachers, AFL-CIO. And, other unions.
The Commies bastards !/
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:11:00am |
re: #859 avanti
I think Jeff Jones got the position because of his skills in the environmental movement, not his associations 30-40 years ago with the radical left.
why does that sound familiar!?!?!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:11:29am |
re: #843 vxbush
Parts of Daniel, sure, have references to Roman emperors. I don't read that much stuff by pastors and "intellects." But part of it doesn't. Does your comment include Ezekiel? You centered in on Daniel; that's why I asked.
It is evident that the "prophetic" in Ezekiel came true, or was valid, since Revelation is very much a book that is trying to slot Ezekiel's prophecies into the contemporary Roman world of "john's" time.
Revelation borrows so much from Ezekiel? Ever wonder why? Because Ezekiel never panned out.
The point I am making is very much made by studying the way older prophetic text are recycled by future bible authors and then again by our theologians.
It's a never ending process that goes no where.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:11:57am |
re: #863 Walter L. Newton
It is evident that the "prophetic" in Ezekiel came true, or was valid, since Revelation is very much a book that is trying to slot Ezekiel's prophecies into the contemporary Roman world of "john's" time.
Revelation borrows so much from Ezekiel? Ever wonder why? Because Ezekiel never panned out.
The point I am making is very much made by studying the way older prophetic text are recycled by future bible authors and then again by our theologians.
It's a never ending process that goes no where.
NEVER CAME TRUE, my correction.
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Wendya Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:13:11am |
re: #859 avanti
I think Jeff Jones got the position because of his skills in the environmental movement, not his associations 30-40 years ago with the radical left.
It's interesting how many ties the new environmental movement has to the hard left. Isn't it amazing how the fringes all found a home there and are now considered mainstream?
Jeff Jones is a scumbag. His past associations made him the man he is today, just like Ayers and just like Obama.
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avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:14:15am |
re: #856 Desert Dog
You don't get it, Avanti. It's not "anti-environment", it is anti-extreme-leftist- environmentalism. You can still embrace responsibility and not drink the koolaid, yes?
I agree, most tree huggers are leftie by default, most of the the right has not been supportive of the movement.
I'm also learning, they appear to be far left in many instances, and why we need some balance from the right.
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Miss Trixie Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:14:30am |
re: #459 DaddyG
Fine.
Perhaps the Pope poops pastorally?
Then he does his Papal work ... :P
♪ ♬ Good morning, lizards! ♬ ♪
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Wendya Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:14:54am |
re: #862 sattv4u2
why does that sound familiar!?!?!
Yeah, it does sound a bit familiar. I guess you can be a radical and foment violence one day and then have the ear of the President 30 years down the road... as long as you're a leftist.
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vxbush Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:18:58am |
re: #864 Walter L. Newton
NEVER CAME TRUE, my correction.
Thanks for the response. I would have to respectfully disagree. I have studied Revelation (in the original Greek, or as close to it as UBS allows), Ezekiel, and Daniel quite a bit--but not in the last year or so, so my knowledge isn't at my fingertips. I would change "never came true" to "so far as we've seen, hasn't come true." That leaves it open for it to still come true in the future. Not your position, and I understand it.
Thanks.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:22:01am |
re: #866 avanti
I agree, most tree huggers are leftie by default, most of the the right has not been supportive of the movement.
I'm also learning, they appear to be far left in many instances, and why we need some balance from the right.
Not true. What the right hasn't done is make an industry out of "evironmentalism".
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:28:24am |
re: #869 vxbush
Thanks for the response. I would have to respectfully disagree. I have studied Revelation (in the original Greek, or as close to it as UBS allows), Ezekiel, and Daniel quite a bit--but not in the last year or so, so my knowledge isn't at my fingertips. I would change "never came true" to "so far as we've seen, hasn't come true." That leaves it open for it to still come true in the future. Not your position, and I understand it.
Thanks.
If you have studied Revelations in the greek, then you know, when text that implies things will come true soon, that this is near future, not some vague undefined future.
The greek leaves no opening that "john" was not talking about the near future. You can't change what was said and written. You can't change the etymology of the language.
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vxbush Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:33:46am |
re: #871 Walter L. Newton
If you have studied Revelations in the greek, then you know, when text that implies things will come true soon, that this is near future, not some vague undefined future.
The greek leaves no opening that "john" was not talking about the near future. You can't change what was said and written. You can't change the etymology of the language.
I have no desire to change the etymology, but I have also not hear that any future tense use in koine Greek necessary means that it's a "near" future. I'll check into that.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:42:44am |
re: #871 Walter L. Newton
If you have studied Revelations in the greek, then you know, when text that implies things will come true soon, that this is near future, not some vague undefined future.
The greek leaves no opening that "john" was not talking about the near future. You can't change what was said and written. You can't change the etymology of the language.
You're an atheieschatologist?
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Kenneth Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:43:00am |
re: #850 Leonidas Hoplite
Do we have enough czars to create a new deck of cards yet?
32 czars, which is exactly the same number of cards you need for euchre!
And did you know that euchre is euphemism for euthanasia?
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Coracle Tue, Sep 8, 2009 10:32:14am |
Late reply to a dead thread, but:
re: #759 DaddyG
I stand corrected - Pelosi was smooth enough to say "you judge for yourself" to a reporter when asked if the protests were legitimate.
Yes. Yes I cans see how that is almost identical to calling them "racist" or "ignorant mobs". Damn her eyes.
From your 668:
President Obama and Nancy Pelosi can start by not characterizing every honest opposition of their plans to nationalize large chunks of the economy as "racist" or "ignorant mobs".
Yes. And I can also see how Obama is equally guilty even though you've brought absolutely no proof.
Now when will you have honest criticism about "get in their faces" Obama and the hoardes of lefties carrying Hitler/Bush posters and yelling for revolution?
That is stupid and wrong against either President. I've always thought so, and have said so here.
In fact do your own homework and find a single time when Bush publicly characterized his political opponents as Nazis, astroturfing, racist or any other derogatory term. (I can think of one when he called a reporter an A--hole in an overheard whispered comment to his VP and that wasn't even a public statement).
I never contended that. You on the other hand directly contended Obama considers his opposition "racist" or "ignorant mobs".
You had better shy away from using the "they did it too" argument if it really bothers you.
Way to misrepresent. I have called out "they did it too" as a piss poor justification in this very thread:
re: #344 Coracle
Bu, but, but, but they did it first! Way to take the high ground.
Wrong then, wrong now.
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