The IDF has uploaded a video presentation showing the huge shipment of weaponry from Iran, intended for Hezbollah, that was intercepted this week by an Israel Navy commando force aboard the civilian ship Francop.
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MandyManners Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:48:59pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:49:26pm |
re: #1 MandyManners
islamic republic of iranshipping lines
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:50:16pm |
Nice rockets. Probably much better than those crappy homemade things the Palestinians launch.
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MandyManners Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:51:16pm |
Almost 600,000 7.62 cal. bullets. Coulda' killed a lot of people.
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Political Atheist Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:53:16pm |
This is so big, so clear, only the UN could ignore it.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:53:35pm |
There's going to be another war with Hezbollah within a year.
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MandyManners Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:54:07pm |
re: #8 Rightwingconspirator
This is so big, so clear, only the UN could ignore it.
Jump on Isreal's back for interfering in *ahem* free trade.
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MandyManners Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:54:29pm |
re: #10 Charles
There's going to be another war with Hezbollah within a year.
Will there be a rooster?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:54:39pm |
re: #10 Charles
Will Obama being in the White House change anything about that? I'm guessing probably now.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:55:05pm |
re: #13 Killgore Trout
Will Obama being in the White House change anything about that? I'm guessing probably
nownot.
/You stink
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albusteve Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:55:31pm |
re: #10 Charles
There's going to be another war with Hezbollah within a year.
yup...far bloodier than the last dust up too...Israel simply has to hitch it up and press on...there was a lesson last year in Gaza they need to remember
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:56:31pm |
'But we send Israel billions of dollars in military aide so their Apartheid regime can continue to starve and shoot Palestinian children!'
-any given moonbat.
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albusteve Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:57:09pm |
re: #13 Killgore Trout
Will Obama being in the White House change anything about that? I'm guessing probably now.
Bibi does not give a shit about BO...not now anyway...BO played his hand and Bibi pushed him aside...it's not BOs thing anymore...he blew his cred
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:57:12pm |
This cache was 100 times larger than the cargo of the Karine A.
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Sharmuta Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:57:25pm |
re: #13 Killgore Trout
I think the bigger change will be Netanyahu.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:58:58pm |
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albusteve Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:59:29pm |
re: #16 Fenway_Nation
'But we send Israel billions of dollars in military aide so their Apartheid regime can continue to starve and shoot Palestinian children!'
-any given moonbat.
Israel has been slowly building a case for itself in the last year...they have actually proven the UN is a laughingstock...GO IDF
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 7, 2009 6:59:49pm |
OT: Voting on the Stupak amendment now. Looks like it's going to pass.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:00:35pm |
This gun toting liberal lost any remaining patience with Iran during the Green Revolution and ensuing Stasi equivalent Basiji State brutal crackdown. That government needs to go bye-bye, by hook or by crook.
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albusteve Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:02:06pm |
re: #21 Killgore Trout
re: #17 albusteve
I'm not sure how much of a stomach Israeli leadership has for a confrontation. I'm guessing they still don't have the will to take decisive military action.
ask yourself...would you defend yourself in a street fight?...or would you submit to injury or worse...sooner or later Killgore you have to make a stand...there are thousands of graves across the ME of martyrs that underestimated Israels will to fight back
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Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:02:42pm |
If you catch one shipment like this, it means that a LOT of other shipments weren't caught.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:02:57pm |
re: #25 albusteve
I don't get it either. Israeli politics is strange.
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Randall Gross Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:04:09pm |
re: #10 Charles
There's going to be another war with Hezbollah within a year.
I'm pretty sure you are right. Iran is using them as catspaw to keep Israel at bay. This is part of their nuclear brinkmanship. They have Qods force operatives in every single country that borders them, and in some areas three countries past their borders. They are the single most active terror supporting nation in the world. Everything they do is with the intent of keeping their neighbors destabilized, and those operations stretch from Lebanon, to SA, to Bahrain, to Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Georgia and Azerbaijan.
Then there's Lebanon, where they actually own the south.
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SteveC Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:04:15pm |
re: #10 Charles
There's going to be another war with Hezbollah within a year.
"All this has happened before, and it will happen again."
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Taqyia2Me Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:04:19pm |
re: #26 Charles
If you catch one shipment like this, it means that a LOT of other shipments like it weren't caught.
Quite like all other shades of vermin.
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Raryn Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:04:28pm |
My favorite quote about this whole thing is from Shimon Peres:
"The ship's arrest is not only of critical military importance, but also of political importance. Facts cannot be argued with."
The sad thing is, they are arguing about the facts.
Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem, speaking to reporters during a visit to Iran, acknowledged that the commandeered vessel had been sailing to his country but denied that any weapons were aboard, according to Iran's Mehr news agency. Iran also denied sending weapons. Hezbollah issued no reaction.
(both from the LA times)
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Randall Gross Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:04:47pm |
re: #23 Killgore Trout
OT: Voting on the Stupak amendment now. Looks like it's going to pass.
That's the out that will let the Bluedogs vote for healthcare...
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albusteve Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:05:39pm |
re: #27 Sharmuta
I'm not sure if it matters if Israel is attacked. They will defend themselves.
there is no alternative...they are Jews, it's in their blood
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:05:44pm |
re: #22 albusteve
Well...we knew that already, but that was basically preaching to the choir.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:07:06pm |
re: #10 Charles
There's going to be another war with Hezbollah within a year.
If only it is with Hezbollah, and not the dangerously inconclusive sorties & bombings we had in '06.
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MandyManners Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:07:31pm |
re: #32 Raryn
My favorite quote about this whole thing is from Shimon Peres:
"The ship's arrest is not only of critical military importance, but also of political importance. Facts cannot be argued with."The sad thing is, they are arguing about the facts.
Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem, speaking to reporters during a visit to Iran, acknowledged that the commandeered vessel had been sailing to his country but denied that any weapons were aboard, according to Iran's Mehr news agency. Iran also denied sending weapons. Hezbollah issued no reaction.
(both from the LA times)
Bagdad Bob rides again.
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lostlakehiker Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:07:32pm |
re: #10 Charles
There's going to be another war with Hezbollah within a year.
As part of a war with Iran, or stand-alone? A Hezbollah war, alone, would be a small ripple in history, though all wars have their victims and for them it's game over.
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MandyManners Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:09:47pm |
Could a war started by Hizbollah be an excuse to nuke Tel Aviv?
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Randall Gross Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:09:54pm |
re: #38 lostlakehiker
As part of a war with Iran, or stand-alone? A Hezbollah war, alone, would be a small ripple in history, though all wars have their victims and for them it's game over.
They will kick off the Hezbollah war if they get the notion that Israel is about to act against their nuclear facilities. At some point they will kick it off to delay the potential - that will the point at which they are close to achieving goal.
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Political Atheist Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:10:40pm |
re: #7 MandyManners
Think of those missiles and distant malls, schools, boulevards
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albusteve Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:10:49pm |
re: #38 lostlakehiker
As part of a war with Iran, or stand-alone? A Hezbollah war, alone, would be a small ripple in history, though all wars have their victims and for them it's game over.
I can only dream that together the IDF and the US blindside Iran and take down the nuke facilities and the Red Guard...those people need help to take on the Mullahs...we should provide it
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Raryn Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:10:56pm |
re: #40 MandyManners
Could a war started by Hizbollah be an excuse to nuke Tel Aviv?
Only if they wanted Israel to execute the Samson Option.
(Still gotta love that name)
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:12:05pm |
re: #33 Thanos
Yeah, looks like it. I had to turn off c-span again. They're taking calls from all sorts of idiots, I can only take so much.
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SteveC Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:12:07pm |
re: #40 MandyManners
Could a war started by Hizbollah be an excuse to nuke Tel Aviv?
I have a sinking feeling that Hizbollah wouldn't really need an excuse...
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Pepper Fox Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:15:35pm |
Shit those 120mm shells were incendiary/white phosphorus shells. That's some nasty stuff.
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albusteve Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:15:48pm |
re: #46 SteveC
I have a sinking feeling that Hizbollah wouldn't really need an excuse...
maybe we should sit around and discuss 'motive' for a couple of years so our psychoanalysts can determine if Iran is a threat or not...is there a file we can update?...give me some money so I can think this through for you...spit
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Randall Gross Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:16:05pm |
re: #44 Raryn
I don't really know how much credence to put in that since it originated with Seymour Hersh. On the other hand he's been occasionally correct, but he's definitely been known to sensationalize things beyond reason.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:16:45pm |
re: #34 albusteve
there is no alternative...they are Jews, it's in their blood
And we'd better have our earplugs ready for the squeals of outrage, if Israel decides to get the first punch in, a la the Six Day War. No need to allow these Party of God vermin a "salvo of honor" before laying into them.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:17:09pm |
re: #45 Killgore Trout
Yeah, looks like it. I had to turn off c-span again. They're taking calls from all sorts of idiots, I can only take so much.
I'm watching Dr. No on Sleuth. Ursula Andress looks much better than the idiots in the Senate.
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solomonpanting Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:17:11pm |
The IDF should, uh, refuse shipment and mark all goods "Return to Sender" by "Special Delivery" means.
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albusteve Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:17:45pm |
re: #47 Pepper Fox
Shit those 120mm shells were incendiary/white phosphorus shells. That's some nasty stuff.
willy peter, and now the IDF has it...so who exactly are Lebenons enemies?
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MandyManners Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:17:46pm |
re: #42 Rightwingconspirator
Think of those missiles and distant malls, schools, boulevards
Now, that's a sobering thought.
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Sharmuta Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:18:40pm |
re: #29 Thanos
I'm pretty sure you are right. Iran is using them as catspaw to keep Israel at bay. This is part of their nuclear brinkmanship. They have Qods force operatives in every single country that borders them, and in some areas three countries past their borders. They are the single most active terror supporting nation in the world. Everything they do is with the intent of keeping their neighbors destabilized, and those operations stretch from Lebanon, to SA, to Bahrain, to Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Georgia and Azerbaijan.
Then there's Lebanon, where they actually own the south.
It why regime change in Iran might have the single greatest impact on middle east politics. It can't happen soon enough, imo.
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MandyManners Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:18:47pm |
re: #44 Raryn
Only if they wanted Israel to execute the Samson Option.
(Still gotta love that name)
What else would Iran do with a nuke? Target Riyadh?
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MandyManners Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:19:16pm |
re: #46 SteveC
I have a sinking feeling that Hizbollah wouldn't really need an excuse...
I'm thinking it would be Iran's excuse to nuke Israel.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:19:51pm |
re: #47 Pepper Fox
Shit those 120mm shells were incendiary/white phosphorus shells. That's some nasty stuff.
The JPost article in this commented on the unusually large number of mortar shells in the shipment, asking whether this indicated that Hezbollah plans to make greater use of mortars in any future conflict. 120mm mortars are relatively short range weapons (10 km at the outside) so this is not a threat to Israeli cities. What else they are planning is anyone's guess.
Israel itself learned many, many lessons from the '06 conflict, not all of which have been discussed publicly. I suspect that they will take a completely different approach next time and unveil a few surprises in technology, tactics, and operational strategy.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:19:56pm |
re: #44 Raryn
Only if they wanted Israel to execute the Samson Option.
(Still gotta love that name)
I once met a soldier who was tasked with helping to train the IDF with the Arrow ABM system. Sure hope they were quick studies...
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albusteve Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:20:05pm |
re: #50 The Sanity Inspector
And we'd better have our earplugs ready for the squeals of outrage, if Israel decides to get the first punch in, a la the Six Day War. No need to allow these Party of God vermin a "salvo of honor" before laying into them.
tough shit eh?...they don't have a knife to their throats...it's way past the time to ignore those people...their whining only leads to more death and destruction...they deny reality, so fuck them
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albusteve Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:21:33pm |
re: #56 Sharmuta
It why regime change in Iran might have the single greatest impact on middle east politics. It can't happen soon enough, imo.
the internal sacrifice is just too great...they need help...the Mullahs are genocidal
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:21:42pm |
Stupak amendment Passed:
Dem:
Yea 64
Nay 193
Rep:
Yea 176
Nay 0
Present 1
Total
Yea 240
Nay 193
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Randall Gross Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:22:12pm |
re: #57 MandyManners
What else would Iran do with a nuke? Target Riyadh?
Well that could happen. Or they could move on the seriously destabilized Pakistan if things stay hot in Sistan Baloch province. Both are unlikely scenarios, but it's interesting that Iran has been pressing Shia political resistance and some outright insurgency in several Arab/Sunni countries.
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Pepper Fox Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:22:41pm |
re: #59 Shiplord Kirel
Made a mistake, I was referring those 106 artillery shells. And yeah most all those weapons are short range and/or potshots. Much like the V weapons in ww2, but on a smaller scale.
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Political Atheist Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:22:56pm |
re: #57 MandyManners
Good point. This would give the minority Shia a big threat to hold over the Sunni. Arguably this is the real reason they want nukes. Long Term-Particularly ICBM nukes to protect their own sect globally.
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Sergeant Major Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:23:00pm |
According to Iran these would be "PEACE KEEPING" munitions?///
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Pepper Fox Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:23:58pm |
re: #67 Sergeant Major
I think Iran will proudly claim they sent those weapons, they are pretty public about their opposition to Israel.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:23:59pm |
re: #59 Shiplord Kirel
The JPost article in this commented on the unusually large number of mortar shells in the shipment, asking whether this indicated that Hezbollah plans to make greater use of mortars in any future conflict. 120mm mortars are relatively short range weapons (10 km at the outside) so this is not a threat to Israeli cities. What else they are planning is anyone's guess.
The mortars might be used as a defensive weapon, in the event of an IDF ground attack into southern Lebanon. Pop and go tactics.
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Sergeant Major Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:24:54pm |
re: #69 Pepper Fox
Agreed however, they did attempt to hide them
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:24:58pm |
re: #49 Thanos
I don't really know how much credence to put in that since it originated with Seymour Hersh. On the other hand he's been occasionally correct, but he's definitely been known to sensationalize things beyond reason.
The wikipedia article's assertion that Israeli nuclear weapons are "all in the multiple megaton range" is utter and complete bullshit. Other nuclear powers have very few weapons in that yield range and some (the UK and France) have none at all.
There are any number of reasons for this, from the weight and bulk of such devices to the greater effectiveness of the larger number of lower yield devices that could be manufactured and delivered for the same effort. The most common US warhead, the W-80, has a published yield of about 280 kilotons (.28 megatons).
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Randall Gross Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:25:36pm |
The only other reason to send Hizbullah such weapons is if they are getting ready to take on the rest of Lebanon, which isn't likely.
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bosforus Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:25:37pm |
Slideshow: Weapons Bound for Hezbollah
Perhaps Israel should finish the "delivery" of these weapons.
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albusteve Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:26:36pm |
re: #59 Shiplord Kirel
The JPost article in this commented on the unusually large number of mortar shells in the shipment, asking whether this indicated that Hezbollah plans to make greater use of mortars in any future conflict. 120mm mortars are relatively short range weapons (10 km at the outside) so this is not a threat to Israeli cities. What else they are planning is anyone's guess.
Israel itself learned many, many lessons from the '06 conflict, not all of which have been discussed publicly. I suspect that they will take a completely different approach next time and unveil a few surprises in technology, tactics, and operational strategy.
exactly...most of this ordnance is toe to toe...massive front line barrage and if Hezbollah has the stomach for that kind of fight, they will have to wait in long lines to meet their virgins...the kill ratio will astound people...more excessive retaliation bullshit
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Athens Runaway Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:27:02pm |
re: #70 The Sanity Inspector
The mortars might be used as a defensive weapon, in the event of an IDF ground attack into southern Lebanon. Pop and go tactics.
Preemptive defensive weapons, I'm sure.
/
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SteveC Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:27:10pm |
re: #75 Sergeant Major
Maybe some more sanctions?///
And a sternly worded letter! Don't forget that!
///
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:27:21pm |
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Pepper Fox Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:27:29pm |
re: #71 Sergeant Major
Agreed however, they did attempt to hide them
Not really, they were crates filled with plastic bags and probably labeled as such on the manifest. The weapons way a LOT more per sqft than those bags, that's probably what tipped them off.
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Athens Runaway Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:27:41pm |
re: #76 Sharmuta
And a strongly worded letter.
Maybe a photo op at Camp David if they're lucky.
/unclenched fists
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:28:34pm |
Now voting on the substitute plan.
Yea 176
Nay 258
Straight party vote except for one Republican who voted Nay.
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Political Atheist Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:29:01pm |
re: #72 Shiplord Kirel
Speculating-
I'm not so sure. I would suspect Israel has 3rd gen nukes. Compact fusion city killers. They have little need for tactical nukes. It's about MAD deterrence. The big ones suit that best. They have profound science going for them. There and here. Some American spies for Israel have been caught. Some not.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:29:09pm |
If they pass socialized medicine tonight maybe the government will cure my hangover in the morning.
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solomonpanting Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:29:16pm |
Hezbollah will bring Lebanon to ruin, again.
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Randall Gross Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:29:31pm |
Here's a link to the IDF Youtube site, there are two other videos there besides this one.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
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albusteve Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:31:15pm |
re: #85 Killgore Trout
If they pass socialized medicine tonight maybe the government will cure my hangover in the morning.
good one...but you are doomed to suffer
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Pepper Fox Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:32:12pm |
Update on Fort Hood shooter: Off ventilator but still in ICU. Communicating with staff. Moved to hospital in San Antonio.
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albusteve Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:32:44pm |
re: #89 Pepper Fox
Update on Fort Hood shooter: Off ventilator but still in ICU. Communicating with staff. Moved to hospital in San Antonio.
book deal done?
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Athens Runaway Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:33:33pm |
re: #89 Pepper Fox
Update on Fort Hood shooter: Off ventilator but still in ICU. Communicating with staff. Moved to hospital in San Antonio.
*spit* No sympathy from me to him.
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Pepper Fox Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:33:59pm |
re: #88 albusteve
good one...but you are doomed to suffer
Until then there's always the prairie oyster!
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Raryn Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:34:12pm |
re: #91 albusteve
book deal done?
The military still has the death penalty on the books right?
Even if it hasn't been used in 30 years?
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:34:15pm |
Obama to skip United Jewish Communities General Assembly
Despite being slated to speak at the United Jewish Communities General Assembly on Tuesday, U.S. President Barack Obama said on Sunday that he will instead be attending the memorial service for the American soldiers recently killed at Fort Hood, Texas.
White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel will address the 3000 prominent Jewish guests from around the world expected to attend the assembly, instead of the president.
On Monday Obama will meet with Prime Minster Benjamin Netanyahu in a last-minute meeting, despite suspicions that the Israeli requested meeting will not take place.
Officials in the Prime Minister's Office tried on Saturday to lower expectations over the importance of such a meeting. "It won't be the end of the world if it doesn't happen," they said.
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Pepper Fox Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:34:29pm |
re: #92 Athens Runaway
*spit* No sympathy from me to him.
I only want to see him long enough to get dragged through the mud in a trial then strung up on the gallows.
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J.S. Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:34:54pm |
there was a "report" about Turkey developing closer ties with Iran...(thus got Lebanon, Turkey, Iran, Syria...etc., aligned...)
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:35:21pm |
re: #96 Pepper Fox
I only want to see him long enough to get dragged through the mud in a trial then strung up on the gallows.
I want it to be a quick trial.
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Randall Gross Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:35:35pm |
Francop towed into port by the tug Delila...
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Randall Gross Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:36:38pm |
St. John ship registry, wonder if the Belgian arms dealers are the middlemen?
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J.S. Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:36:50pm |
re: #95 NJDhockeyfan
Obama is no doubt more interested in J Street...
/spit (did you catch Emanuel -- the musical on Youtube?)
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Political Atheist Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:37:00pm |
re: #92 Athens Runaway
I saw on the news the heroine Kimberly Munley is doing quite well. Wounded legs, in good spirits. Her ex partner described her as vertically challenged yet full of power. Tip of my glass to her tonight! A drop of my zipper at the porcelain for the shooter.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:37:17pm |
re: #96 Pepper Fox
I only want to see him long enough to get dragged through the mud in a trial then strung up on the gallows.
Yep, hang the damned traitor (After a fair trial in which Ramsey Clark loses for the defense yet again.)
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albusteve Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:37:35pm |
re: #98 NJDhockeyfan
I want it to be a quick trial.
they have to study his brain first...they need to determine his 'motive', which could take years
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SteveC Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:38:11pm |
re: #89 Pepper Fox
Update on Fort Hood shooter: Off ventilator but still in ICU. Communicating with staff. Moved to hospital in San Antonio.
"Tell me how it felt when that infidel woman you shot returned fire and dropped your sorry ass?"
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Athens Runaway Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:38:19pm |
re: #96 Pepper Fox
I only want to see him long enough to get dragged through the mud in a trial then strung up on the gallows.
I doubt that'll happen.
We're supposed to be to sympathetic to him, you see.
If we ask the media, he's the first known case of PTSD—Pre-traumatic Stress Disorder. He was so stressed out about going to war, you see... blahblahblahBush's faultblahblah < /ObaMedia spin>
The kind of people that think that the Ft. Hood shooter is a victim are the kind of people running the country right now.
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Pepper Fox Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:38:28pm |
re: #106 albusteve
they have to study his brain first...they need to determine his 'motive', which could take years
They can study his brain after we scope it out, assuming the firing squad doesn't splatter it on the wall.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:39:15pm |
re: #63 ausador
Stupak amendment Passed:
Dem:
Yea 64
Nay 193Rep:
Yea 176
Nay 0
Present 1Total
Yea 240
Nay 193
So the Republicans can no longer cite opposition to abortion as a reason to oppose health care reform? Sounds like a smart strategic compromise on the part of those 64 Dems.
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Raryn Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:39:15pm |
re: #105 Shiplord Kirel
Yep, hang the damned traitor (After a fair trial in which Ramsey Clark loses for the defense yet again.)
Damn, just checked. Hanging or firing squad hasn't been legal since they reinstated the military death penalty under Reagan. Only lethal injection
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Political Atheist Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:40:12pm |
A toast to Kimberly Munley! And to all who put on a uniform and gun to protect the rest of us.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:40:35pm |
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Pepper Fox Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:40:51pm |
re: #111 Raryn
Damn, just checked. Hanging or firing squad hasn't been legal since they reinstated the military death penalty under Reagan. Only lethal injection
I don't think there has been a military execution since Reagan, but don't quote me on that.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:41:00pm |
re: #111 Raryn
Damn, just checked. Hanging or firing squad hasn't been legal since they reinstated the military death penalty under Reagan. Only lethal injection
Rats! I guess drawing and quartering is out of the question then.
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Athens Runaway Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:41:04pm |
re: #110 goddamnedfrank
So the Republicans can no longer cite opposition to abortion as a reason to oppose health care reform? Sounds like a smart strategic compromise on the part of those 64 Dems.
If you think that the Stupak Amendment will be a part of the final bill, you're stupid.
This was red meat for the Blue Dogs. It'll be stricken from the bill that goes to Obama's desk once the True Believers who run the Democratic Party get a hold of it.
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albusteve Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:41:13pm |
re: #111 Raryn
Damn, just checked. Hanging or firing squad hasn't been legal since they reinstated the military death penalty under Reagan. Only lethal injection
ride the Mainline to Raisinville
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SteveC Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:41:15pm |
re: #109 Pepper Fox
They can study his brain after we scope it out, assuming the firing squad doesn't splatter it on the wall.
Give the firing squad instructions to aim for center mass. You can collect the brain afterward.
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Randall Gross Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:41:22pm |
re: #110 goddamnedfrank
So the Republicans can no longer cite opposition to abortion as a reason to oppose health care reform? Sounds like a smart strategic compromise on the part of those 64 Dems.
It's also good cover for the blue dogs, who I sense have flipped and will vote for HC.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:41:32pm |
re: #103 J.S.
Obama is no doubt more interested in J Street...
/spit (did you catch Emanuel -- the musical on Youtube?)
Not yet. I'm not sure I'm ready to see Emanuel in tights.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:42:00pm |
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Randall Gross Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:42:08pm |
I'm going to inline the other two IDF vids on this
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:42:29pm |
re: #112 Rightwingconspirator
Chick Cops Rock!
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Raryn Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:42:46pm |
re: #114 Pepper Fox
I don't think there has been a military execution since Reagan, but don't quote me on that.
There hasn't been one since Kennedy, but it wasn't even on the books from '73 to '84. The current code of military justice only allows for lethal injection.
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Randall Gross Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:42:54pm |
This one shows the other intercept, the Karin A:
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J.S. Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:43:17pm |
re: #120 NJDhockeyfan
yeah. It's a spoof on a classic Israeli film (1966)..Shnei Kuni Lemel.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:43:35pm |
re: #116 Athens Runaway
If you think that the Stupak Amendment will be a part of the final bill, you're stupid.
This was red meat for the Blue Dogs. It'll be stricken from the bill that goes to Obama's desk once the True Believers who run the Democratic Party get a hold of it.
Thank you! Got next week's lottery numbers?
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MandyManners Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:44:23pm |
I'm gonna' go back to reading The Fellowship of the Ring. Reality sucks.
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albusteve Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:44:45pm |
re: #128 goddamnedfrank
Thank you! Got next week's lottery numbers?
I think that's an accurate observation...what do you think?
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Athens Runaway Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:45:28pm |
re: #128 goddamnedfrank
Thank you! Got next week's lottery numbers?
Yes, but I'm not telling :) If I tell you the numbers, then I'd get half the money. I want the whole jackpot.
/
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SteveC Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:46:16pm |
re: #128 goddamnedfrank
Thank you! Got next week's lottery numbers?
I can promise you the winning numbers will be between 0 and 99. I'm also pretty sure that the team that score the most points will win the Super Bowl, too!
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:47:12pm |
re: #130 albusteve
I think that's an accurate observation...what do you think?
Not only do I believe it, I expect it.
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Athens Runaway Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:47:26pm |
re: #132 SteveC
I can promise you the winning numbers will be between 0 and 99. I'm also pretty sure that the team that score the most points will win the Super Bowl, too!
I can beat that. I can tell you the score of the game before it starts.
0-0.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:47:34pm |
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albusteve Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:49:51pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:51:15pm |
re: #89 Pepper Fox
Update on Fort Hood shooter: Off ventilator but still in ICU. Communicating with staff. Moved to hospital in San Antonio.
Hope the TV in his room is stuck on Fox News.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:51:23pm |
re: #129 MandyManners
I'm gonna' go back to reading The Fellowship of the Ring. Reality sucks.
Don't think I've ever disagreed with you before.
Reality doesn't suck.
And... There is no sex in the Champagne Room.
(probably shouldn't have posted that, but, what the hell...
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:52:00pm |
re: #130 albusteve
I think that's an accurate observation...what do you think?
I think it is a prediction of arguable probability. I believe one can only observe that which is happening or has happened, and only then can any predictions accuracy be gauged.
Right now it falls into the category of wishful thinking.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:52:33pm |
re: #125 Thanos
This one shows the other intercept, the Karin A:
[video]
Tip: You can embed more than one video per post.
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SteveC Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:52:50pm |
re: #134 Athens Runaway
I can beat that. I can tell you the score of the game before it starts.
0-0.
OK, smarty pants. Beat this one: Take a sheet of paper, and write two words on it. Two words only, they don't have to go together and they don't have to make sense.
Now fold that paper.
Fold it again.
And yet again.
Lay it on the floor and stand on it.
I will now tell you exactly what is on that sheet of paper. Silence, please!
*Unleashing mental powers*
YOUR FOOT! :)
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Political Atheist Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:55:06pm |
re: #138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
One up for random Chris Rock reference.
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albusteve Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:56:12pm |
re: #139 goddamnedfrank
I think it is a prediction of arguable probability. I believe one can only observe that which is happening or has happened, and only then can any predictions accuracy be gauged.
Right now it falls into the category of wishful thinking.
it's an observation, like I said...you are so windy, why don't you just say "I agree"?...times are rough for liberal democrats but you could still be less obtusive
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:57:34pm |
re: #142 Rightwingconspirator
One up for random Chris Rock reference.
"My only job is to keep my daughter off the pole!"
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emcesq Sat, Nov 7, 2009 8:00:18pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Nov 7, 2009 8:08:35pm |
re: #26 Charles
If you catch one shipment like this, it means that a LOT of other shipments weren't caught.
I do hope you are wrong...
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Nov 7, 2009 8:21:11pm |
re: #143 albusteve
it's an observation, like I said...you are so windy, why don't you just say "I agree"?...times are rough for liberal democrats but you could still be less obtusive
It's a prediction. Only a know-it-all would pretend to be certain of that which is, by definition, unknowable. Urging me to be less "obtrusive" is a really weak way of saying that I don't try to blend in with the crowd. I very much take it as a compliment.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 7, 2009 8:25:21pm |
re: #10 Charles
There's going to be another war with Hezbollah within a year.
Someone tell ANSWER. They can start making signs now.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 7, 2009 8:30:08pm |
re: #37 MandyManners
Bagdad Bob rides again.
Someone should get that guy a reality show. I miss him.
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lostlakehiker Sat, Nov 7, 2009 8:45:43pm |
re: #43 albusteve
I can only dream that together the IDF and the US blindside Iran and take down the nuke facilities and the Red Guard...those people need help to take on the Mullahs...we should provide it
It's not that simple. The nuke facilities are so widely dispersed and well fortified that permanently nixing the Iranian nuclear weapons program would require a full-scale war, with the war aim being to occupy Iran, meticulously sift through every storeroom and bunker and cave and take apart the weapons program from top to bottom, deprive Iran of all weapons-related machinery, raw materials, and scientific personnel and equipment, and establish a new government as was done with Germany and Japan.
None of this would be at all easy. Our own casualties would be well in excess of what we've lost so far over the past ten years. If we are mistaken about just how far advanced Iran's program is, or if they have managed to borrow a working device from North Korea, the consequences would be much worse.
The consequences of other policies, such as cold war, appeasement, or Radio-Free-Iran style efforts, are beyond our capacity to accurately foretell. We're at sea in a gathering storm, and we will never know if we have chosen rightly. If we choose badly, we'll know that eventually, to our great sorrow.
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Bagua Sat, Nov 7, 2009 9:57:35pm |
re: #59 Shiplord Kirel
The JPost article in this commented on the unusually large number of mortar shells in the shipment, asking whether this indicated that Hezbollah plans to make greater use of mortars in any future conflict. 120mm mortars are relatively short range weapons (10 km at the outside) so this is not a threat to Israeli cities. What else they are planning is anyone's guess.
Israel itself learned many, many lessons from the '06 conflict, not all of which have been discussed publicly. I suspect that they will take a completely different approach next time and unveil a few surprises in technology, tactics, and operational strategy.
The relative numbers of mortar shells is not meaningful as we don't know what the make up of all the shipments has been. Mortars are also important for fighting withing Lebanon against the other militia groups or military.
It's a safe bet that Israel will be well prepared for round two. As before, most of the long range missiles will be taken out in the opening salvos. I expect there will be a strategy to take out many of the fixed intermediate missiles and positions early as well.
No doubt the entire south will be occupied quite quickly on the next go as well. HezbAllah has a real kicking coming thier way if they don't disarm.
re: #60 The Sanity Inspector
I once met a soldier who was tasked with helping to train the IDF with the Arrow ABM system. Sure hope they were quick studies...
The Arrow is an IAI joint project, they know how to use them as they developed them.
re: #77 albusteve
exactly...most of this ordnance is toe to toe...massive front line barrage and if Hezbollah has the stomach for that kind of fight, they will have to wait in long lines to meet their virgins...the kill ratio will astound people...more excessive retaliation bullshit
They are preparing to fight the other militias or army in Lebanon, as well as Israel. No question Israel is planning to provide them with much harder targets in the next round.
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Flavia Sat, Nov 7, 2009 10:15:09pm |
re: #22 albusteve
Israel has been slowly building a case for itself in the last year...they have actually proven the UN is a laughingstock...GO IDF
Do you seriously think this will make a difference? I mean, I hope you are right, but Israel has always clearly been in the right, what has it ever gotten her...?
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