Looks like Dan Rather’s lawsuit against CBS for breach of contract is now an ex-lawsuit: NY Top Court Rejects Dan Rather Appeal in CBS Case.
NEW YORK (Reuters) - New York State’s highest court on Tuesday declined to hear former CBS Evening News anchor Dan Rather’s appeal of a decision dismissing his $70 million lawsuit against CBS Corp.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:24:16pm |
Justice is also sometimes served cold.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:25:38pm |
Okay. Sorry Dan. You got set up, took the bait, and got shafted. Shit happens. Move on.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:27:01pm |
re: #2 darthstar
Okay. Sorry Dan. You got set up, took the bait, and got shafted. Shit happens. Move on.
And then he got smeared all over the blogs, and even after he knew better, he insisted that he was right, and he just wouldn't let it go, I feel sorry for him too.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:27:08pm |
Looks like its back to seeing how long he can talk about President Nixon going out for Tacos on the Daily Show....
Though to be fair I found him pretty amusing when he was doing that....
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:28:28pm |
Poor guy. The one opportunity this guy has to get his name in the news, and it just went bye-bye.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:28:58pm |
re: #4 Walter L. Newton
And then he got smeared all over the blogs, and even after he knew better, he insisted that he was right, and he just wouldn't let it go, I feel sorry for him too.
I don't...
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Kragar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:29:30pm |
And to commemorate this news, Beaker's Ode to Joy.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:29:37pm |
re: #4 Walter L. Newton
And then he got smeared all over the blogs, and even after he knew better, he insisted that he was right, and he just wouldn't let it go, I feel sorry for him too.
Darthstar... I can't accept that up ding, I was being sarcastic. I think rather is a fucking idiot who knew just what was going on and decided to run with it anyway. More than enough proof of that was presented right here by Charles.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:30:09pm |
It's too bad Walter Cronkite did not live to see this day. He got screwed by Dan Rather.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:30:51pm |
re: #10 Rightwingconspirator
It's too bad Walter Cronkite did not live to see this day. He got screwed by Dan Rather.
we all got screwed by him...
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darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:30:53pm |
re: #9 Walter L. Newton
Darthstar... I can't accept that up ding, I was being sarcastic. I think rather is a fucking idiot who knew just what was going on and decided to run with it anyway. More than enough proof of that was presented right here by Charles.
Nah...you earned it. Good sarc doesn't need a sarc tag. You feel as sorry for Rather as I do.
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torrentprime Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:31:12pm |
re: #2 darthstar
Okay. Sorry Dan. You got set up, took the bait, and got shafted. Shit happens. Move on.
AH-gree. Act two is now taking place on the far right with the birth certificate insanity. "Fake but accurate" rises!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:32:05pm |
re: #12 darthstar
Nah...you earned it. Good sarc doesn't need a sarc tag. You feel as sorry for Rather as I do.
On a rats ass I do. But anyway... :)
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:33:19pm |
re: #10 Rightwingconspirator
... image I don't want in my head...
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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:34:12pm |
memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo
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albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:34:54pm |
the best Blow Up In Your Face story of the decade...I never cared for Rather and I love watching famed liars and cheats go down...to bad it happens so rarely
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:35:49pm |
re: #11 brookly red
Walter was his mentor. A whole 'nother level of character-less living.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:36:30pm |
re: #15 windsagio
Poor choice of words there. But see my 18.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:37:11pm |
re: #19 Rightwingconspirator
lol, I was getting annoyed at the level of creepy schadenfreude in here, but your post made me smile :)
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:38:50pm |
re: #20 windsagio
lol, I was getting annoyed at the level of creepy schadenfreude in here, but your post made me smile :)
Gee, I sort of feel the same way when Palin starts getting slammed here. Don't you?
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:39:12pm |
re: #18 Rightwingconspirator
Walter was his mentor. A whole 'nother level of character-less living.
as far as I am concerned Mr. Rather is a poster boy for all that is wrong with our media "false but accurate" sheesh.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:41:00pm |
re: #21 Walter L. Newton
oh bazing! I don't think People enjoy Palin's downfall, more than get livid that it hasn't happened yet.
...
And don't get me wrong. Rather was a retard, and walked right into that one.
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albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:43:16pm |
re: #22 brookly red
as far as I am concerned Mr. Rather is a poster boy for all that is wrong with our media "false but accurate" sheesh.
he has an ego the size of Texas...so his fall is particularly far...it's not a job worth doing well, it's a fetish of self love...another crackpot by my hayseed standards
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:44:24pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:44:47pm |
re: #23 windsagio
oh bazing! I don't think People enjoy Palin's downfall, more than get livid that it hasn't happened yet. And don't get me wrong. Rather was a retard, and walked right into that one.
Oh come on now. The worlds best practioner of Palin schadenfreude is our very own Cato the Elder. And I have experienced his Plain schadenfreude first hand, face to face in my house. Palin schadenfreude and the delight in it is legion here. I'm not passing judgement one way or the other about Palin, but please, there is so much delight here ever time she makes a stupid blunder.
At least be honest about it.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:45:47pm |
re: #25 baier
One up for remembering that. Saturday Night Live ... right?
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abolitionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:47:22pm |
I wonder if Dan currently owns more typewriters or computers?
Ok, I'm done wondering now.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:47:44pm |
re: #26 Rightwingconspirator
YAY! I'm a leading progressive! thanks for the compliment :)
On the subject, short version yes. Theres this amazing book (whose name sadly is lost to me, I'll post it if I remember) written by a famous investigative journalist from previous decades. He talks in length about the downfall of journalism. Essentially he puts it up to corporate profit-taking (good journalism is expensive!) and consolidation in the industry. I think he also talks about how bland 'rah rah!' news is better ratings than in-depth hard to handle stories, but not sure about that.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:47:56pm |
re: #24 albusteve
he has an ego the size of Texas...so his fall is particularly far...it's not a job worth doing well, it's a fetish of self love...another crackpot by my hayseed standards
He lied to millions of people, & as a "newsman" he attempted to influence a presidential election for partisan reasons & he is damn lucky that he did it here in the US of A because there are some other places that would have treated him rather harshly for his actions.
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:48:39pm |
re: #21 Walter L. Newton
Gee, I sort of feel the same way when Palin starts getting slammed here. Don't you?
I hope you aren't being sarcastic again Walter. As a politician she hasn't been around long enough to judge her in my estimation.
Her religious ideas..........so what....wiccans get more respect from some quarters than she does. Nothing wrong with wiccans but there is nothing wrong with Christians either. So I cut her some slack because she is human and no more free of errors than I am.
I try to cut most people some slack except in the instance where they are being bigotted or cruel. So Sarah have fun being Sarah.
There are bigger things for us that we should be worrying about.
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The Shadow Do Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:49:01pm |
re: #23 windsagio
...
And don't get me wrong. Rather was a retard, and walked right into that one
Rather is no retard, and that word is really offensive.
I am, however, glad he was handed his ass - served en croute, wrapped in Charles' throbbing memo.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:49:18pm |
re: #27 Walter L. Newton
you know what "Schadenfreude" is right?
hint: Its taking joy in others misfortune, not just mocking someone.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:49:36pm |
Rather's Appeal Rejected
Hell ,, I never found him that appealing to begin with !!
(((now Connie Chung ,,, !!!)))
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baier Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:49:40pm |
re: #28 Rightwingconspirator
One up for remembering that. Saturday Night Live ... right?
Yeah, but based on the down dings very few people are getting the reference or don't like classic SNL.
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torrentprime Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:49:45pm |
re: #27 Walter L. Newton
there is so much delight here ever time she makes a stupid blunder.
At least be honest about it.
Frankly, I'm a little bit stunned to hear a Palin supporter admit she ever has made a mistake. Much of the Palin supporters' response to Palin criticism seems to be made up of:
"MSM"
"Christian-bashing!"
"Quitting was necessary because the Dems ruined her governorship"
"You wanted her to abort her kid; that's why you don't like her!"
and so on.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:50:34pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:51:49pm |
re: #35 windsagio
you know what "Schadenfreude" is right?
hint: Its taking joy in others misfortune, not just mocking someone.
Of course I know what it is. And no one here ever takes joys in Palins misfortunes?
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:52:08pm |
To whomever said it yesterday. We hit Sarah by post 21.
Thats way less than 100!
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:52:11pm |
re: #37 baier
Couldn't quite place the context, but definitely heard Dan Akroyd's voice.
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baier Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:52:38pm |
re: #42 Decatur Deb
Couldn't quite place the context, but definitely heard Dan Akroyd's voice.
Chevy Chase!
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:52:58pm |
re: #35 windsagio
you know what "Schadenfreude" is right?
hint: Its taking joy in others misfortune, not just mocking someone.
Straight A students getting "B"s
Exes getting STDs!
Waking doormen from their naps
Watching tourists reading maps!
Football players getting tackled
CEO's getting Shackled!
Watching actors never reach
The ending of their oscar speech!
Schadenfreude! Making the world a better place to be!
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:53:34pm |
re: #40 Walter L. Newton
man she's doin' alright. "Mistakes" aren't the same as "Misfortunes".
Losing your job, now thats misfortune! So is going from a well known and listened-to newsman to dirt in a week.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:53:35pm |
re: #37 baier
Well that is a surprise, but we all have the ability to undo our dings. So if anyone now "gets it" that down dinged you they can go back and fix it.
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torrentprime Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:53:58pm |
re: #40 Walter L. Newton
Of course I know what it is. And no one here ever takes joys in Palins misfortunes?
I'll answer you dead honestly: I take her speeches/actions/unintentional hilarity as more... well, confirmation than an event to respond to emotionally.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:54:11pm |
re: #38 torrentprime
Frankly, I'm a little bit stunned to hear a Palin supporter admit she ever has made a mistake. Much of the Palin supporters' response to Palin criticism seems to be made up of:
"MSM"
"Christian-bashing!"
"Quitting was necessary because the Dems ruined her governorship"
"You wanted her to abort her kid; that's why you don't like her!"
and so on.
What Palin supporter are you takling about?
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:54:43pm |
re: #46 Rightwingconspirator
I want to think that someone downdinged it because they simply hate classic SNL. That would be funny somehow.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:55:06pm |
re: #45 windsagio
man she's doin' alright. "Mistakes" aren't the same as "Misfortunes".
Losing your job, now thats misfortune! So is going from a well known and listened-to newsman to dirt in a week.
no that is justice.
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baier Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:55:22pm |
re: #44 jamesfirecat
Straight A students getting "B"s
Exes getting STDs!
Waking doormen from their naps
Watching tourists reading maps!
Football players getting tackled
CEO's getting Shackled!
Watching actors never reach
The ending of their oscar speech!
Schadenfreude! Making the world a better place to be!
Schadenfreude!
"Taking Pleasure in other peoples pain, that is German!"
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torrentprime Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:55:28pm |
re: #48 Walter L. Newton
What Palin supporter are you takling about?
I can get you quotes (including the abortion one) if you need me to put on heavy gloves and dig through Free Republic.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:55:50pm |
re: #45 windsagio
man she's doin' alright. "Mistakes" aren't the same as "Misfortunes".
Losing your job, now thats misfortune! So is going from a well known and listened-to newsman to dirt in a week.
Going from a well love vice-presidential candidate to someone the McCain camp was trashing with in a month after the election, that wasn't misfortune?
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:57:16pm |
re: #53 Walter L. Newton
Going from a well love vice-presidential candidate to someone the McCain camp was trashing with in a month after the election, that wasn't misfortune?
Consequence.
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:57:29pm |
re: #53 Walter L. Newton
Going from a well love vice-presidential candidate to someone the McCain camp was trashing with in a month after the election, that wasn't misfortune?
Humiliating is what it was. Schmidt is an ass for blabbing his mouth. Who would trust him to hire him again?
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:58:26pm |
re: #53 Walter L. Newton
Going from a well love vice-presidential candidate to someone the McCain camp was trashing with in a month after the election, that wasn't misfortune?
politics...
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:58:29pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:59:10pm |
re: #52 torrentprime
I can get you quotes (including the abortion one) if you need me to put on heavy gloves and dig through Free Republic.
What are you talking about. I thought you were claiming I was a Palin supporter. I don't understand your comment.
All I was saying was very simple. There is a lot of joy here in Palins misfortunes when they come up on LFG.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:59:40pm |
re: #53 Walter L. Newton
Misfortune is undeserved.
Mrs Palin reckoned she was ready for the big time and was found severely wantiing - thats no misfortune, that is being "found out".
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:00:13pm |
re: #58 Walter L. Newton
What are you talking about. I thought you were claiming I was a Palin supporter. I don't understand your comment.
All I was saying was very simple. There is a lot of joy here in Palins misfortunes when they come up on LFG.
I wonder why?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:00:15pm |
re: #57 windsagio
It might be just, it still sucks for him :p
re: #53 Walter L. Newton
I repeat. She's doing alright. She has a ton of rabid fans, and is making money beyond her wildest dreams. Even with Schmidt, her life is vastly improved for her experiences of the last year and a half.
Ok, that makes me feel better.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:01:00pm |
re: #57 windsagio
It might be just, it still sucks for him :p
re: #53 Walter L. Newton
I repeat. She's doing alright. She has a ton of rabid fans, and is making money beyond her wildest dreams. Even with Schmidt, her life is vastly improved for her experiences of the last year and a half.
well even here you can't get to 100 posts before her name come up, I think she is laughing all the way to the bank.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:01:07pm |
re: #59 wozzablog
Misfortune is undeserved.
Mrs Palin reckoned she was ready for the big time and was found severely wantiing - thats no misfortune, that is being "found out".
Ok, that makes me feel better.
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:01:28pm |
re: #59 wozzablog
Misfortune is undeserved.
Mrs Palin reckoned she was ready for the big time and was found severely wantiing - thats no misfortune, that is being "found out".
If a candidate called you and asked you to run with him on his ticket you would say no right? Come on.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:01:28pm |
re: #36 sattv4u2
Rather's Appeal Rejected
Hell ,, I never found him that appealing to begin with !!
(((now Connie Chung ,,, !!!)))
Wouldn't you rather be Stuck in a Pagoda with Tricia Toyota?
There's an obscure reference!
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:02:06pm |
Besides - i thought this was a Dan Rather thread.............
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:02:35pm |
re: #62 brookly red
well even here you can't get to 100 posts before her name come up, I think she is laughing all the way to the bank.
I don't envy her, or like her. She should live forever someplace.
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:02:58pm |
re: #66 wozzablog
Besides - i thought this was a Dan Rather thread...
:-P~~~~
Don't mess with the Sarh Palin thread .///
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:03:07pm |
re: #66 wozzablog
Besides - i thought this was a Dan Rather thread...
No all threads lead to Palin LOL
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:03:18pm |
re: #62 brookly red
It was you! yeah... 21 posts.
It might be because theres nothing really to discuss about Rather. He stepped into the cowpie, and has to deal with the ruined shoes.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:03:52pm |
re: #68 Blueheron
First rule of *Sarah Palin Thread* - Don't Talk About Sarah Palin Thread...................
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:05:53pm |
re: #72 Blueheron
Taxi for Dan Rather thread............
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:05:59pm |
re: #71 wozzablog
We could make it a corollary of Godwin's law...
"Eventually any political discussion in the US will end up with a mention of Sarah Palin."
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darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:06:03pm |
OT: (i.e., not about Palin) Some dolt on CNN just explained how, if people are inside a building and the walls collapse, that the roof will actually fall straight down on top of the people in said building. Where do they find these geniuses?
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:06:13pm |
re: #70 windsagio
It was you! yeah... 21 posts.
It might be because theres nothing really to discuss about Rather. He stepped into the cowpie, and has to deal with the ruined shoes.
uhhh 21 was Walter, & if you don't feel than Rather is worth discussing maybe you should take you concerns to the management...
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:06:49pm |
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:08:14pm |
re: #74 windsagio
ooooo oooooooo ooooooo - better - an LGF brand offtopic Palin Thread Drinking Game........
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:08:47pm |
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:09:04pm |
re: #76 brookly red
woah, what?
OOH took me a minute. No, I mean you were the one that brought up the 'hundred post rule' the other day (I mentioned wondering who had said that in my #41)
as to the other thing I just meant maybe we jumped so quickly because people didn't really have much fire for talking about Rather.
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:09:14pm |
re: #78 wozzablog
ooo ooo ooo - better - an LGF brand offtopic Palin Thread Drinking Game...
There you go! Brilliant :))
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iceweasel Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:09:27pm |
re: #78 wozzablog
ooo ooo ooo - better - an LGF brand offtopic Palin Thread Drinking Game...
Oh I love it!
Would I wind up in the hospital? You betcha!
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:10:11pm |
re: #80 windsagio
woah, what?
OOH took me a minute. No, I mean you were the one that brought up the 'hundred post rule' the other day (I mentioned wondering who had said that in my #41)
as to the other thing I just meant maybe we jumped so quickly because people didn't really have much fire for talking about Rather.
what ever
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:10:53pm |
re: #76 brookly red
uhhh 21 was Walter, & if you don't feel than Rather is worth discussing maybe you should take you concerns to the management...
Naw you go tell Charles.
heh.
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torrentprime Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:11:05pm |
re: #58 Walter L. Newton
What are you talking about. I thought you were claiming I was a Palin supporter. I don't understand your comment.
All I was saying was very simple. There is a lot of joy here in Palins misfortunes when they come up on LFG.
Oh, I thought you were. (Based only on the post u mentioned; I'm still too new to know everyone's allegiances). If you're not, congrats/apologies.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:12:00pm |
re: #85 torrentprime
Is that your 50th? Now you can ding.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:12:01pm |
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:12:07pm |
my 2cents on Rather -
Generally decent career, got screwed over in his own quality control in his twilight years - couldn't get over it.
He pops up now and again on some news shows - i don't think he's all that bad as a commentator, obvious exceptions excluded.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:12:09pm |
re: #80 windsagio
woah, what?
OOH took me a minute. No, I mean you were the one that brought up the 'hundred post rule' the other day (I mentioned wondering who had said that in my #41)
as to the other thing I just meant maybe we jumped so quickly because people didn't really have much fire for talking about Rather.
Why get in a lather over Rather when you can be railin' on Palin?
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:12:32pm |
re: #85 torrentprime
Well consider: The culture on here is pretty anti-Palin (with good reason, imo :p) With that in mind, you get people that will defend her without wanting to cop to actually liking her.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:13:19pm |
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:14:10pm |
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:14:43pm |
re: #92 brookly red
alright then, as long as everythings cool :)
I wanna actually earn any bad feelings I get :P
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:15:28pm |
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:16:21pm |
To jump back, problem with a drinking game...
If we limit to each time Palin breaks into a thread nobody will get anywhere. If we do it based on each mention, we'll all die of the DTs.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:16:27pm |
re: #92 brookly red
I am not mad...
Yeats was.
Why should not old men be mad?
Some have known a likely lad
That had a sound fly-fisher's wrist
Turn to a drunken journalist;
A girl that knew all Dante once
Live to bear children to a dunce;
A Helen of social welfare dream,
Climb on a wagonette to scream.
Some think it a matter of course that chance
Should starve good men and bad advance,
That if their neighbours figured plain,
As though upon a lighted screen,
No single story would they find
Of an unbroken happy mind,
A finish worthy of the start.
Young men know nothing of this sort,
Observant old men know it well;
And when they know what old books tell
And that no better can be had,
Know why an old man should be mad.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:16:28pm |
re: #93 windsagio
alright then, as long as everythings cool :)
I wanna actually earn any bad feelings I get :P
don't worry, you do...
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:16:38pm |
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:17:21pm |
re: #90 windsagio
Did you see Charles warning on that ?
He stated his intent to hammer Sarah.
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:17:29pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:17:48pm |
re: #85 torrentprime
Oh, I thought you were. (Based only on the post u mentioned; I'm still too new to know everyone's allegiances). If you're not, congrats/apologies.
Well, thank you. No, I don't like Palin, and I also don't give two shits about discussing her. You rarely find me harping on Palin in regards to any subject.
Although I have told you all, Cato the Elder travels with a Palin blow up sex doll... I saw it, at my house.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:18:20pm |
Link to final debate for Mass. special election
The possible 41st senator.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:18:27pm |
re: #102 Walter L. Newton
Well, thank you. No, I don't like Palin, and I also don't give two shits about discussing her. You rarely find me harping on Palin in regards to any subject.
Although I have told you all, Cato the Elder travels with a Palin blow up sex doll... I saw it, at my house.
Heh. :D
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darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:18:37pm |
re: #102 Walter L. Newton
Although I have told you all, Cato the Elder travels with a Palin blow up sex doll... I saw it, at my house.
How kind of him to share.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:18:38pm |
re: #100 Rightwingconspirator
No I didn't! I'm either 'on' or 'off' with this blog. Taking part is too time-consuming ;)
also, I'm in a mood for bad pun double-entendres. so...
"I'll bet he does!"
*RIMSHOT*
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:19:10pm |
re: #103 Bagua
Link to final debate for Mass. special election
The possible 41st senator.
The debate has just started.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:19:14pm |
re: #102 Walter L. Newton
I was sure you were kidding...
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Bubblehead II Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:19:43pm |
Irish bookie takes bets on Palin’s FoxNews gig
One day after word came that Sarah Palin is joining FoxNews, Ireland's biggest bookie reports that about half of bettors doubt the ex-Alaska governor can keep the gig a year.
The Palin-Fox bets are at [Link: www.paddypower.com...]
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:19:43pm |
Whoops gotta go, a customer calls.
BBL!
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:20:03pm |
Maybe he'll go nuts like Howard Biele.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:20:05pm |
re: #96 iceweasel
Ah well, naturally - we only get the transplant if our value to society is considered great enough..............
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Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:20:07pm |
I never really like Dan Blather all that much anyway, he's always seemed cheesy to me. I for one am glad he's not getting his spot back, if there's one thing I can't stand it liars. And a liar in his position is doubly contemptible.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:20:28pm |
re: #104 Varek Raith
Heh. :D
Believe it or not, the whole two days Cato the Elder was at my place, I don't think we/he discussed Palin at all. He really likes to save all his "love" for you folks.
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:21:33pm |
re: #107 Bagua
The debate has just started.
Bagua don't try to interrupt our Palin thread with serious political discussion. ///
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:21:37pm |
I've never been a big Palin fan..And she has taken shit..Apparently a lack of foreign policy creed...
1) She never wrote off her under ware to goodwill..(Clinton)
2) Never did the Cigar thing to an intern
3) Never fired his administration on a Saturday night (Nixon)
4) Never bombed Cambodia during Christmas ( Nixon)
5) Never bombed an aspirin factory and played bullshit
6) Never invaded a country cause the CIA said they had WMD's (Bush)
7) Never bombed a Chinese Embassy (Clinton)
8) Never went to war...and stopped it on the edge of victory...( Bush1)
9) Ran for president while fucking the Video person ( Edwards)
10) in a panic bankrupted the most Richest and powerful nation in the world ( Obama)
Sarah has been trashed here..Which is OK she is a poll so who cares..But to call her a whore and a bitch will get you my anger..You want whores in American politics then look at our history...
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darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:21:54pm |
re: #109 Bubblehead II
Irish bookie takes bets on Palin’s FoxNews gig
One day after word came that Sarah Palin is joining FoxNews, Ireland's biggest bookie reports that about half of bettors doubt the ex-Alaska governor can keep the gig a year.
The Palin-Fox bets are at [Link: www.paddypower.com...]
Gotta love the Irish and English bookies...you can bet on anything there. American politics is always a fun one to watch. You could have made good money betting on Barack Obama in January of 2007.
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:21:58pm |
re: #103 Bagua
I don't support the health care bill but Scott Brown is just another big government Republican. He even voted to keep Massachusetts' income tax. That's not the change America needs.
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iceweasel Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:22:07pm |
re: #112 wozzablog
Ah well, naturally - we only get the transplant if our value to society is considered great enough...
From each according to his ability, to each according to his alcoholic poisoning, comrade wozza-ski.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:22:12pm |
You made your bed, Dan. It's no one's problem but yours that you don't want to lie in it.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:23:16pm |
If Scott wins it will mean the end of the Democratic super-majority. (As I'm sure everyone here knows.)
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:23:36pm |
re: #116 HoosierHoops
I've never been a big Palin fan..And she has taken shit..Apparently a lack of foreign policy creed...
1) She never wrote off her under ware to goodwill..(Clinton)
2) Never did the Cigar thing to an intern
3) Never fired his administration on a Saturday night (Nixon)
4) Never bombed Cambodia during Christmas ( Nixon)
5) Never bombed an aspirin factory and played bullshit
6) Never invaded a country cause the CIA said they had WMD's (Bush)
7) Never bombed a Chinese Embassy (Clinton)
8) Never went to war...and stopped it on the edge of victory...( Bush1)
9) Ran for president while fucking the Video person ( Edwards)
10) in a panic bankrupted the most Richest and powerful nation in the world ( Obama)
Sarah has been trashed here..Which is OK she is a poll so who cares..But to call her a whore and a bitch will get you my anger..You want whores in American politics then look at our history...
Bravop Hoosier Bravo!
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:23:54pm |
re: #118 YoungLibertarian92
I don't support the health care bill but Scott Brown is just another big government Republican. He even voted to keep Massachusetts' income tax. That's not the change America needs.
Dare I ask who you support?
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:24:07pm |
re: #116 HoosierHoops
OK, I have to go after your dig at GHW Bush in that thread. He did exactly the right thing in Gulf War 1, and history has shown him right.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:24:51pm |
re: #119 iceweasel
Da, Iceweasle-ski. Comrade.
In communist America liver transplant pays for you........
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:25:10pm |
re: #124 windsagio
actually I can't resist.
The rest of it is "Somebody who has never been President has never done anything bad as Preasident" crap. Totally pointless.
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torrentprime Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:25:29pm |
re: #102 Walter L. Newton
Well, thank you. No, I don't like Palin, and I also don't give two shits about discussing her. You rarely find me harping on Palin in regards to any subject.
Although I have told you all, Cato the Elder travels with a Palin blow up sex doll... I saw it, at my house.
Although I now know more than I wish I did, I appreciate being set straight. ;)
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:25:30pm |
re: #121 Bagua
If Scott wins it will mean the end of the Democratic super-majority. (As I'm sure everyone here knows.)
No problem. The Club for Growth will probably try to replace him with a Hessian.
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:25:30pm |
re: #121 Bagua
If Scott wins it will mean the end of the Democratic super-majority. (As I'm sure everyone here knows.)
We do and for our sakes I hope he wins but Mass is a democrat state so he has a tough row to how.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:25:57pm |
re: #118 YoungLibertarian92
I don't support the health care bill but Scott Brown is just another big government Republican. He even voted to keep Massachusetts' income tax. That's not the change America needs.
Big gubermit Republican? change America needs? OK.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:26:00pm |
re: #118 YoungLibertarian92
I don't support the health care bill but Scott Brown is just another big government Republican. He even voted to keep Massachusetts' income tax. That's not the change America needs.
I'm glad you feel that way.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:26:14pm |
re: #121 Bagua
If Scott wins it will mean the end of the Democratic super-majority. (As I'm sure everyone here knows.)
The Democrats haven't done shit with the "super majority" they have...The Republicans had a small majority during the bush years, and they managed to ram through just about every piece of legislation they wanted...without compromising themselves into irrelevancy.
Of course, it doesn't help that a number of Democrats are more conservative than some of the moderate Republicans...so it's really a majority in name only.
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:26:16pm |
re: #121 Bagua
True, but it'll just put us on the fastrack to another big government Republican super majority. Remember Bill Frist's online gambling ban, Medicare Part D, etc.
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:26:59pm |
re: #126 windsagio
actually I can't resist.
The rest of it is "Somebody who has never been President has never done anything bad as Preasident" crap. Totally pointless.
Well I liked it.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:27:11pm |
re: #130 Blueheron
Wierdly, I hope he wins too. The Dems would be better off not having a Super-majority, since they can't count on the blue-dog types anyways.
It would show if the Reps really wanted to be obstructionist or not.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:27:29pm |
re: #123 Bagua
Dare I ask who you support?
/WTF does that have to do with anything? It all Bush's Faut!
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:27:33pm |
re: #135 Blueheron
you can like it, doesn't mean its a valid argument for anything :P
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:27:34pm |
re: #16 wrenchwench
memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo
How can that not be a top 10 comment?
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:27:36pm |
re: #134 YoungLibertarian92
True, but it'll just put us on the fastrack to another big government Republican super majority. Remember Bill Frist's online gambling ban, Medicare Part D, etc.
And... who do you propose?
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:27:40pm |
re: #133 darthstar
Yup. That great Public Option provision the senate managed to pass on supermajority was the end of American Capitalism as we knew it................
Oh. Wait.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:28:11pm |
re: #137 brookly red
Unless it's all clinton or carters fault.
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:28:13pm |
re: #131 brookly red
I'll have to look up "gubermit" on Urban Dictionary. lol
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:28:25pm |
re: #118 YoungLibertarian92
I don't support the health care bill but Scott Brown is just another big government Republican. He even voted to keep Massachusetts' income tax. That's not the change America needs.
...Can you name me a (R) Admin that wasn't 'big government'?
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:28:33pm |
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Ojoe Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:29:23pm |
This evening's Towercam sunset. San Gabriel Mountains of California.
Nature Break.
"Paradise is all around us and we do not understand."
—Thomas Merton, avatar guy.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:29:49pm |
re: #125 wozzablog
Da, Iceweasle-ski. Comrade.
In communist America liver transplant pays for you...
It's all one big liver you know...
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:29:54pm |
i just joined and am very excited . am a nigerian.
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:30:04pm |
re: #136 windsagio
Wierdly, I hope he wins too. The Dems would be better off not having a Super-majority, since they can't count on the blue-dog types anyways.
It would show if the Reps really wanted to be obstructionist or not.
It could improve Obamas performance also as it did Clintons.
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:30:12pm |
re: #144 Varek Raith
Reagan came the closest, not a big fan though.
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:30:50pm |
re: #149 tajsagay
I'm a newbie to LGF too. I'm very excited!
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Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:31:01pm |
re: #147 Ojoe
This evening's Towercam sunset. San Gabriel Mountains of California.
Nature Break.
"Paradise is all around us and we do not understand."
—Thomas Merton, avatar guy.
Absolutely gorgeous! Thanks for the nature break, I love it!
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:31:33pm |
re: #152 YoungLibertarian92
I'm a newbie to LGF too. I'm very excited!
so excited you forgot the beer huh?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:31:34pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:31:46pm |
re: #149 tajsagay
No, I am not interested in your millions of dollars. Stop sending me email.
/just teasing
Welcome.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:31:55pm |
re: #151 YoungLibertarian92
lol I was hoping somebody would say "Reagan".
Hint: Moving the money to another department, and then spending even more of it isn't anything like small government.
Also welcome! Its good to have poeple jump right in:)
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:32:01pm |
re: #121 Bagua
If Scott wins it will mean the end of the Democratic super-majority. (As I'm sure everyone here knows.)
Would that be considered Schadenfreude?
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:32:02pm |
re: #152 YoungLibertarian92
if you have any questions about my country let me know
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Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:32:27pm |
Hey, I just gave Ojoe an upding and it showed two instead of one!
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:32:39pm |
re: #149 tajsagay
i just joined and am very excited . am a nigerian.
Hello and welcome hatchling :))
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avanti Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:32:52pm |
Judge reaffirms abortion doctor's murder was justified defense. That just sucks.
link.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:33:19pm |
re: #162 Dragon_Lady
Hey, I just gave Ojoe an upding and it showed two instead of one!
/ACORN alert !
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:33:33pm |
re: #162 Dragon_Lady
Oh that one was mine. If someone dings since you loaded the post, and then you add a + or -, it updates all of them all at once (for that post)
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:33:34pm |
re: #164 tajsagay
Samzies. I'm a new lizard and proud of it. Unless there's a lower rank than lizard.
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Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:33:39pm |
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:34:03pm |
re: #158 RogueOne
Would that be considered Schadenfreude?
Nope. It will not be misfortune, it will be a victory.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:34:21pm |
Where's the throbbing memo?
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Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:34:31pm |
re: #168 windsagio
Cool! I appreciate the set straight.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:34:31pm |
re: #168 windsagio
Oh that one was mine. If someone dings since you loaded the post, and then you add a + or -, it updates all of them all at once (for that post)
If you click on the number, it will give you the names of everyone who has up or down dinged the comment.
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Summer Seale Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:34:35pm |
Totally OT but so incredible...
Have you guys seen this picture from Mars?
Another Dose of Martian Awesome.
Totally mindblowing.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:34:52pm |
re: #165 avanti
Lord, thats awful! Man I need a drink now or somethin'
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:35:09pm |
re: #164 tajsagay
i love the comradeship on this site.
People get along that is when they aren't fighting :) ///
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:35:10pm |
Let this be a lesson. Always check your kid's homework.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:35:13pm |
re: #171 Bagua
Nope. It will not be misfortune, it will be a victory.
The thought of the dems losing that seat, of all seats, feels extra good for some reason.
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:35:16pm |
re: #157 windsagio
Reagan just let the Democratic Congress go on a spending spree after the extra tax revenue brought in by his tax cuts. But I'm sick of Republicans who just cut taxes but then they don't reform the tax code. FairTax FTW!
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:35:26pm |
Welcome Hatchlings.............
*does the "is no longer the new guy" dance*
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:35:32pm |
re: #174 EmmmieG
hehe yeah I know. I try not to look to much tho', peoples' dinging patterns can be annoying ;)
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darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:35:36pm |
re: #165 avanti
Judge reaffirms abortion doctor's murder was justified defense. That just sucks.
link.
What a fucker. Seriously. The guy walked into a church and shot the man in cold blood and the judge wants to give him a break? Let him plead insanity, and lose. But don't let him reduce his charges to something that will allow him to potentially get out of jail so he can go "save children" by killing doctors again.
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:35:45pm |
the nigerian president is missing. hope sarah palin hasnt taking him to see the wonderful view of russia from her back yard
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:36:03pm |
You're not running against Bush and Cheney, you are running against me, Scott Brown.
Heh!
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:36:35pm |
re: #184 tajsagay
the nigerian president is missing. hope sarah palin hasnt taking him to see the wonderful view of russia from her back yard
what?
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:36:37pm |
re: #179 RogueOne
The thought of the dems losing that seat, of all seats, feels extra good for some reason.
Yep, straight up freude should this miracle occur.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:36:49pm |
re: #124 windsagio
OK, I have to go after your dig at GHW Bush in that thread. He did exactly the right thing in Gulf War 1, and history has shown him right.
You have fucking got to be kidding me...We were this Close to ending Saddam in 1991...4000+ soldiers have died since Iraq 1 has been history and it was a success? We were close during the 100 day war and not one person in Bush 1 had the balls to end it? Fuck that...Tell that to families of the 2/5th Marines who invaded Iraq as the point of the spear...history? spit!
History has shown his Generals idiots and short sighted...
But I was only talking about Palin..Not the idiots that left the battlefield 3 days before victory in Iraq.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:37:02pm |
re: #179 RogueOne
See thats Schadenfreude :p
them losing a seat is just Politics, being extra happy that its Kennedy's seat they're losin' is something else entirely :p
oop bagua agrees :)
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Randall Gross Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:37:07pm |
re: #165 avanti
Judge reaffirms abortion doctor's murder was justified defense. That just sucks.
link.
He did no such thing. He allowed a manslaughter defense line to be presented without blocking that line. The way the wacky Kansas statute is written, he somewhat had to. The statute uses the words "unreasonably believes" which pretty much describes Roeder.
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abolitionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:37:30pm |
re: #162 Dragon_Lady
Hey, I just gave Ojoe an upding and it showed two instead of one!
If you click on the number (karma count) for a comment, you can see who dinged up, who dinged down.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:37:52pm |
re: #183 darthstar
What a fucker. Seriously. The guy walked into a church and shot the man in cold blood and the judge wants to give him a break? Let him plead insanity, and lose. But don't let him reduce his charges to something that will allow him to potentially get out of jail so he can go "save children" by killing doctors again.
oh just wait for the civilian terror trials....
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:38:17pm |
I came on to post this real quick:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Google, the world's largest Internet search engine, said Tuesday that it may pull out of China because of a sophisticated computer network attack originating in China and targeting its e-mail service.Google said it had evidence to suggest that "a primary goal of the attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts" of Chinese human rights activists. The attack was discovered in December.
........
But David Drummond, Google senior vice president and chief legal officer, added that the attacks "have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of our business operations in China."Google has further decided it is no longer willing to continue censoring its search results in Chinese Google sites, Drummond said, and over the next few weeks it will discuss with the Beijing government how it may operate "an unfiltered search engine within the law, if at all," he said.
"We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China," he said.
I think this is very good news. Google should be encouraged to follow through with their threat.
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Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:38:29pm |
re: #192 abolitionist
Thanks for the update, as you can see I'm still getting the hang of this.
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:38:39pm |
re: #191 wozzablog
Nope I meant FairTax. Which is a 23% sales tax on all new goods and services.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:38:46pm |
re: #189 windsagio
See thats Schadenfreude :p
them losing a seat is just Politics, being extra happy that its Kennedy's seat they're losin' is something else entirely :p
oop bagua agrees :)
Well, that makes me sad then. Why would anyone find pleasure in that sort of situation?
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Randall Gross Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:39:18pm |
re: #165 avanti
Here's the verbiage from the statute, note that Bin Laden could make a plea under this wacky section:
Kansas law defines voluntary manslaughter as "an unreasonable but honest belief" that there were circumstances to justify deadly force. It could bring a prison sentence closer to five years, instead of a life term for first-degree murder.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:39:42pm |
re: #188 HoosierHoops
no seriously. If we had 'taken him out' it would have been 17 years of occupation instead of 7. Not only that, the Arab states weren't willing at the time to support us doing it, and threatened to pull out and really hurt us if we went through with it.
That particular bit of "GO TEAM AMERICA!" BS always really pisses me off, and is a slur on a man who was the best Republican President in recent memory.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:40:08pm |
re: #16 wrenchwench
memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo memo
Because it deserves repeating!
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:40:10pm |
re: #197 YoungLibertarian92
Nope I meant FairTax. Which is a 23% sales tax on all new goods and services.
lemmie see 23% tax is fair & your a Libertarian?
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:40:16pm |
Martha Coakley, "I want to raise tax on the top 2%" In favour of Cap and Tax.
re: #189 windsagio
See thats Schadenfreude :p
them losing a seat is just Politics, being extra happy that its Kennedy's seat they're losin' is something else entirely :p
oop bagua agrees :)
Note that I omitted the Schaden part.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:40:24pm |
re: #184 tajsagay
the nigerian president is missing. hope sarah palin hasnt taking him to see the wonderful view of russia from her back yard
He might be walking the Appalachian Trail.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:40:25pm |
re: #185 Bagua
That's fucking awesome. I wish these damn people would realize that.
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iceweasel Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:40:28pm |
re: #190 Thanos
He did no such thing. He allowed a manslaughter defense line to be presented without blocking that line. The way the wacky Kansas statute is written, he somewhat had to. The statute uses the words "unreasonably believes" which pretty much describes Roeder.
Exactly. IIRC the judge had thrown out the earlier defense Roeder wanted to use, which was essentially the one that would have allowed him (Roeder) to put abortion on trial and claim the murder was 'justifiable homicide' or some such crap.
The judge has made it pretty damn clear he won't let Roeder use the trial as a megaphone for his virulent and murderous anti-abortion ideology.
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Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:40:41pm |
re: #197 YoungLibertarian92
Nope I meant FairTax. Which is a 23% sales tax on all new goods and services.
Ouch! 23%? I may declare bankruptcy just so I can ay for food and rent! Not made of money here!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:40:58pm |
re: #193 tajsagay
You're right. I looked it up. Have you tried looking on the Appalachian trail? (American joke.)
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:41:13pm |
re: #203 Bagua
no I didn't! I missed the joke, and am gonna go up to upding it for the good play on words >>
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:41:17pm |
re: #197 YoungLibertarian92
That is a pretty regressive tax on which to slap the name "fair tax".
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darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:41:30pm |
re: #206 iceweasel
Exactly. IIRC the judge had thrown out the earlier defense Roeder wanted to use, which was essentially the one that would have allowed him (Roeder) to put abortion on trial and claim the murder was 'justifiable homicide' or some such crap.
The judge has made it pretty damn clear he won't let Roeder use the trial as a megaphone for his virulent and murderous anti-abortion ideology.
Thanks...that makes me feel a little better.
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:42:02pm |
re: #207 Dragon_Lady
In each good you buy there is an estimated 22% imbeded tax from corporate income tax, capital gains, inventory tax, gas tax, etc.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:42:09pm |
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:42:25pm |
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avanti Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:42:29pm |
re: #190 Thanos
He did no such thing. He allowed a manslaughter defense line to be presented without blocking that line. The way the wacky Kansas statute is written, he somewhat had to. The statute uses the words "unreasonably believes" which pretty much describes Roeder.
I disagree, by allowing him to push for manslaughter, he could get as little as five years.
"Prosecutors argued Monday that such a defense should not be considered because there is no evidence Tiller posed an imminent threat at the time of the killing. A voluntary manslaughter-based argument would essentially "enable a defendant to justify premeditated murder because of an emotionally charged political belief," the prosecution wrote."
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:43:03pm |
re: #211 wozzablog
Each month people recieve a check to cover the 23% tax for the basic necessities of life, its calculated by inflationary rates and the CPI.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:43:03pm |
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:43:15pm |
re: #209 EmmmieG
a am quite informed. you had a governor that went to bang(forgive my greek)
and lied that he went camping
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:43:29pm |
To various people: I thought so FairTax was a Huckabee thing.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:43:47pm |
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Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:43:56pm |
re: #214 YoungLibertarian92
In each good you buy there is an estimated 22% imbeded tax from corporate income tax, capital gains, inventory tax, gas tax, etc.
I repeat: not made of money here! 23% is outrageous, I don't care how they hide it!
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iceweasel Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:43:57pm |
re: #213 darthstar
Thanks...that makes me feel a little better.
Roeder is going away for a long, long time. Thanos is correct when he points out that this is the result of the way the KS statue is written.
Charles did a post when the judge turned down the original defense claim, I believe.
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:44:12pm |
re: #219 wrenchwench
generators and am fearful for global warming because of the exchaust
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:44:17pm |
re: #218 YoungLibertarian92
Dude, I'd lay low on FairTax for a bit... I get a sense you're cruisin for a bruisin, and its your first day.
Just some friendly advice :)
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:44:19pm |
re: #216 brookly red
how do you post?
I sense a disturbance in the Force... Something's... odd about this account...
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Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:45:03pm |
re: #227 windsagio
Dude, I'd lay low on FairTax for a bit... I get a sense you're cruisin for a bruisin, and its your first day.
Just some friendly advice :)
Ditto! And its my second day!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:45:06pm |
re: #202 brookly red
lemmie see 23% tax is fair & your a Libertarian?
What he didn't say is that replaces every other Federal tax deduction out of your pay check
So ,,, in essence, save for state tax deduction (and if you have a 401K contribution and/ or health ins premium) you get 100% of your check
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:45:08pm |
re: #214 YoungLibertarian92
Does that include food???????
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:45:09pm |
re: #223 Dragon_Lady
It could also be reduced to 10% if Social Security where privatized, Medicare transformed into a voucher program, military budget cut by 10%, and the excessive cabinet departments eliminated.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:45:18pm |
re: #228 Varek Raith
I sense a disturbance in the Force... Something's... odd about this account...
I was about to post something similar (without the star wars reference, though)...methinks our 'nigerian' may be otherwise...time will tell.
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avanti Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:45:30pm |
re: #224 iceweasel
Roeder is going away for a long, long time. Thanos is correct when he points out that this is the result of the way the KS statue is written.
Charles did a post when the judge turned down the original defense claim, I believe.
Still, he'll try to make hay with that defense in court to gain the lower charge.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:45:32pm |
re: #214 YoungLibertarian92
In each good you buy there is an estimated 22% imbeded tax from corporate income tax, capital gains, inventory tax, gas tax, etc.
uhhh lemmie think about that...
OK I have given it careful thought & the answer is no.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:45:47pm |
re: #223 Dragon_Lady
I repeat: not made of money here! 23% is outrageous, I don't care how they hide it!
You really should read about it. At the point of purchase it doesn't add anything to the consumre
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:45:48pm |
re: #228 Varek Raith
We'll see, soon enough!
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:45:57pm |
why can the left and right just kiss and make up
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:46:06pm |
re: #200 windsagio
no seriously. If we had 'taken him out' it would have been 17 years of occupation instead of 7. Not only that, the Arab states weren't willing at the time to support us doing it, and threatened to pull out and really hurt us if we went through with it.
That particular bit of "GO TEAM AMERICA!" BS always really pisses me off, and is a slur on a man who was the best Republican President in recent memory.
Why would destroying Iraq in gulf war one have resulted in a 17 year occupation? Why? We had the whole country on the Ropes...We could have changed the ME...And had the world behind us...Today you can't buy a supporting vote in Iraq...Fuck we had the entire Syran army on our side in Gulf 1...
But I'm not trying to pick a fight with you....
Be well
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:46:14pm |
re: #218 YoungLibertarian92
That doesn't exactly help with cash on hand with familys living pay check to pay check.
Completely regressive. Penalises the poor in a way thats completely unwarranted.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:46:33pm |
re: #228 Varek Raith
To be honest, I've been waiting for the punchline since his first post >>
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Taqyia2Me Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:46:37pm |
imho, the 23% fair tax works, only only only only only only only only if it replaces ALL other taxes.
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:46:40pm |
I'm also open to the idea of Militon Friedman's Negative Income Tax.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:46:45pm |
re: #233 wozzablog
Does that include food???
Yes, but "food" would be reduced by about the same amount that the stores/ dealers/ shippers are already paying in taxes that are added to point of purchase
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:46:53pm |
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:47:06pm |
in nigeria we have to content with greedy politicians but not big corporations
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:47:38pm |
re: #236 tajsagay
americans at least on lgf are great
Tasagay relax and enjoy the discussion. Jump in when you have something to say. :)
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:47:39pm |
re: #248 Taqyia2Me
imho, the 23% fair tax works, only only only only only only only only if it replaces ALL other taxes.
It does ALL other FEDERAL taxes
You would still be subject to state sales taxes ( as you are now)
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:47:43pm |
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Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:47:49pm |
re: #240 sattv4u2
You really should read about it. At the point of purchase it doesn't add anything to the consumre
Yeah, your probably right but that doesn't mean I have to like it!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:48:22pm |
re: #226 tajsagay
generators and am fearful for global warming because of the exchaust
I call bullshit.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:48:23pm |
re: #248 Taqyia2Me
imho, the 23% fair tax works, only only only only only only only only if it replaces ALL other taxes.
forever!
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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:48:31pm |
re: #240 sattv4u2
You really should read about it. At the point of purchase it doesn't add anything to the consumre
But doesn't it make me, the retailer, the tax collector? And isn't it the least efficient means of tax collection known to man? For which I will not be paid?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:48:38pm |
re: #257 Dragon_Lady
Yeah, your probably right but that doesn't mean I have to like it!
I didn't
,,,until I read about it
Both the pros and cons
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:48:44pm |
re: #253 tajsagay
I'm an international relations student and we did a whole diplomatic situation on Nigeria. There was a conflict between Shell Oil and the Ogoni people. The Ogoni demanded that Shell clean up the environment and give Nigerians jobs. It was really fun.
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iceweasel Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:48:44pm |
re: #217 avanti
I disagree, by allowing him to push for manslaughter, he could get as little as five years.
"Prosecutors argued Monday that such a defense should not be considered because there is no evidence Tiller posed an imminent threat at the time of the killing. A voluntary manslaughter-based argument would essentially "enable a defendant to justify premeditated murder because of an emotionally charged political belief," the prosecution wrote."
Yes, but that is standard prosecution tactics here. The judge really didn't have a choice for the reasons Thanos gave, and the judge's previous comments indicate he has no intention of letting Roeder make this a platform for his beliefs.
Am I happy that the KS statute is written in this way? Hell no. But Roeder isn't going to get off, and I would even suspect that we'll see the KS statute rewritten as a result eventually-- especially as it's been home to abortion violence and Operation Rescue for so long. (Though I believe that OR is in the process of relocating; now that they've finally xxx'd Tiller off their kill list, they have a doctor in Nebraska to target.)
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:48:45pm |
re: #244 HoosierHoops
its not a fight per se, sorry for the strong languate at the end of my last post, I'll keep it under control.
We would have lost things like the Syrian army if we'd gone all the way in Gulf 1. Moreover, as Bush recognized, the issues that made Iraq such a quagmire since 2003 were already there in 1992.
You're right tho', maybe theres not much to gain from this one :p
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:48:49pm |
can i post my pire: #254 Blueheron
am probably too excited to discuss with bright folks lik y'all
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:49:27pm |
re: #259 brookly red
Yes. Hopefully the Sixteenth Amendment would be abolished along with passage of the FairTax.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:49:31pm |
re: #265 tajsagay
can i post my pi
am probably too excited to discuss with bright folks lik y'all
Is that a Southern Nigerian accent, "Y'all?"
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:49:36pm |
re: #250 sattv4u2
If the system worked. And that's a pretty big if.
When Europe changed it's currency to the Euro as many retailers as not did not pass on any benefits of the new currency exchange to the consumer.
I very very much doubt any changes on the margins will be to the down side.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:49:40pm |
re: #260 wrenchwench
But doesn't it make me, the retailer, the tax collector? And isn't it the least efficient means of tax collection known to man? For which I will not be paid?
The reatailer is already the tax collector (state, county, city) and also the tax payer (corporate, individual, social security, etc etc )
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:49:49pm |
Joe Kennedy says America is to blame for terrorism because of "occupation."
Idiot.
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:49:52pm |
re: #262 YoungLibertarian92
am from the niger delta warri to be exact
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:50:24pm |
re: #269 Walter L. Newton
you betcha! i watch some cnn too you know
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Taqyia2Me Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:50:40pm |
re: #272 Bagua
Joe Kennedy says America is to blame for terrorism because of "occupation."
Idiot.
naive idiot even
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:50:46pm |
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Kewalo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:50:56pm |
re: #175 Summer
Totally OT but so incredible...
Have you guys seen this picture from Mars?
Another Dose of Martian Awesome.Totally mindblowing.
Absolutely, totally mindblowing. Thank you!
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:51:02pm |
re: #274 Varek Raith
Hmm...
My current theory is that the 2 new poeple are either the same person or are very close friends making a run on the blog >
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:51:15pm |
re: #273 tajsagay
Cool. I represented the Ogoni people in the negotiations with Shell Oil. The other players where the government, the military, and Greenpeace.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:51:19pm |
re: #275 tajsagay
you betcha! i watch some cnn too you know
So...who's sock are ya?
/Fortune favors the bold, yes?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:51:34pm |
re: #277 Bagua
Looks that way.
I support it, and I'm the farthest thing from a "Paulian" you'll find
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:52:00pm |
re: #265 tajsagay
can i post my pi
am probably too excited to discuss with bright folks lik y'all
Now where di d y'all learn to say y'all?
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:52:15pm |
re: #279 windsagio
My current theory is that the 2 new poeple are either the same person or are very close friends making a run on the blog >
Sure seems that way....almost too obvious....hmmm.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:52:20pm |
re: #275 tajsagay
you betcha! i watch some cnn too you know
What did you think of our Harry Reid and his comments about Obama... "whom he described as a "light skinned" African-American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one" – "
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:52:27pm |
re: #282 sattv4u2
I hate Ron Paul too. He's just a wingnut paleocon and a conspiracy theorist.
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:52:40pm |
the problem with radicalizre: #280 YoungLibertarian92
our lands have been raped by the oil exploration.really sad
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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:52:44pm |
re: #271 sattv4u2
The reatailer is already the tax collector (state, county, city) and also the tax payer (corporate, individual, social security, etc etc )
There's no sales tax in Oregon (I'm not there now, but I used to be.) And I have heard that some states pay the retailers for their tax-collecting services. And what about that inefficiency?
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Blueheron Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:52:46pm |
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:53:12pm |
re: #285 Varek Raith
Sure seems that way...almost too obvious...hmmm.
/no luggage, one way ticket, paid cash...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:53:23pm |
re: #267 Killgore Trout
Since I know you have extraordinary culinary skills, I think you'll get a kick out of this:
It's a hoot. I wonder how many times a person would have to hit the refresh button to get a recipe that isn't gawt-awful.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:53:27pm |
re: #284 Dragon_Lady
No, you're a wife!
(err that sounds condescending and sexist, didn't mean it that way, so please don't take it like that :p)
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iceweasel Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:54:07pm |
re: #279 windsagio
My current theory is that the 2 new poeple are either the same person or are very close friends making a run on the blog >
Could be. I'm withholding judgement on one of them for the moment. The other, well, I think Walter called it. (and others).
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:54:19pm |
re: #288 tajsagay
Has any positive development or job creation occurred because of oil exploitation?
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:54:24pm |
re: #227 windsagio
Dude, I'd lay low on FairTax for a bit... I get a sense you're cruisin for a bruisin, and its your first day.
Just some friendly advice :)
Why? He wouldn't be the first hatchling to come out strong.
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:54:28pm |
re: #286 Walter L. Newton
what i have read on american history pertaining to blacks i think hesaid the correct thing but maybe as you people say not politically correct
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:54:42pm |
re: #292 Slumbering Behemoth
Self-raising Flour Salad
Serves 4
You will need:* 80g self-raising flour
* 3 sheets of ricepaper
* 40g pickle
* 60g lardInstructions:
1. pre-heat the oven to 190 C
2. throw the pickle away
3. rinse the lard
4. defrost the sheets of ricepaper
5. put the self-raising flour in the saucepan
6. bake for 60 minutes and serve hotYum.
Lol!
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:54:58pm |
in other news, this image, which Ojoe posted earlier constantly refreshes. Its pretty cool to watch.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:55:09pm |
re: #289 wrenchwench
Yes, and every recession brings a massive crisis in the schools, public services, etc.
There are three common forms of state taxes: sales (regressive), property, and income (progressive.) Most states have two of three.
Oregon picked the two most progressive, and pays for it with each recession.
(Really sucks to live in a state with all three, i.e. California.)
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:55:09pm |
re: #289 wrenchwench
There's no sales tax in Oregon (I'm not there now, but I used to be.) And I have heard that some states pay the retailers for their tax-collecting services. And what about that inefficiency?
You'll never eliminate inefficiency 100% as long as humans are part of the equation.
And even though Oregon ( and others) have no state sales tax, they are STILL "tax collectors". They have to (now) deduct and send to the gov't unemployment taxes, FICA, SS, etc etc
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:55:11pm |
re: #296 YoungLibertarian92
not really the government takes all the money and distributes pennies
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:55:18pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:55:26pm |
re: #279 windsagio
My current theory is that the 2 new poeple are either the same person or are very close friends making a run on the blog >
So? It wouldn't be the first time.
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:55:57pm |
re: #303 tajsagay
And buys yachts and rollex watches for themselves I'll bet. Is the Nigerian government watching your internet activity?
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:56:07pm |
re: #297 MandyManners
because It'd be too bad for someone to come on with an unpopular idea, get reamed out for it, and then end up flouncing before they even got a chance to engage (or more likely just give up and stop, same effect tho).
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Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:56:12pm |
re: #285 Varek Raith
Sure seems that way...almost too obvious...hmmm.
Just ask Rightwingconspirator, he's my Hubby Bubby! And I'll be logging off when he gets home because its too much a pain in the butt for both of us to be online at the same time. Speaking of which he should be calling me anytime to let me know when to pick him up at the train station.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:56:31pm |
re: #298 tajsagay
what i have read on american history pertaining to blacks i think hesaid the correct thing but maybe as you people say not politically correct
Interesting. Thank you for the answer.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:56:33pm |
BBL ,, have to go put commercials into the Maryland/ Wake Forest ACC basketball game!
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:56:36pm |
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:56:38pm |
re: #306 MandyManners
Oh, bazing! Mandy's feeling bitchy and is out for blood!
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:57:02pm |
re: #300 windsagio
in other news, this image, which Ojoe posted earlier constantly refreshes. Its pretty cool to watch.
Marvelous isn't it? I have a large folder of pics from Mt. Wilson.
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:57:06pm |
re: #307 YoungLibertarian92
dont know. dont think they have the tech.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:57:10pm |
re: #309 Dragon_Lady
Just ask Rightwingconspirator, he's my Hubby Bubby! And I'll be logging off when he gets home because its too much a pain in the butt for both of us to be online at the same time. Speaking of which he should be calling me anytime to let me know when to pick him up at the train station.
Oh my... I wasn't suspecting you of anything! :)
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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:57:20pm |
re: #302 sattv4u2
And even though Oregon ( and others) have no state sales tax, they are STILL "tax collectors". They have to (now) deduct and send to the gov't unemployment taxes, FICA, SS, etc etc
Not when I have no employees!
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:57:31pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:58:16pm |
re: #316 Varek Raith
Oh my... I wasn't suspecting you of anything! :)
I think "he" is just a Thete living in a nano world.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:58:28pm |
re: #264 windsagio
its not a fight per se, sorry for the strong languate at the end of my last post, I'll keep it under control.
We would have lost things like the Syrian army if we'd gone all the way in Gulf 1. Moreover, as Bush recognized, the issues that made Iraq such a quagmire since 2003 were already there in 1992.
You're right tho', maybe theres not much to gain from this one :p
We are good...This all started about Sarah Palin and I said there are stupider politician that her...Look at the track record...
( OK I was addressing somebody earlier...we are cool.. and this is the first time I've ever drank SVEDKA Vodka...I never really drank Vodka before so I'm ready to start a fight! ) *wink*
Be well.../Am I'm going to have a hangover in the morning?
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:58:29pm |
re: #318 MandyManners
What's next? Allowing someone who burns down a pharmacy that sells the morning-after pill to skate on a disorderly conduct charge or something short of arson?
Burn down any store that sells condoms?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:58:47pm |
re: #299 Killgore Trout
Baked Cous Cous
Serves 2
You will need:* 40ml apple sauce
* 10g cous cous
* 5 oxo cubes
* 50g soft cheese
* 2 cucumbersInstructions:
1. pre-heat the oven to 220 C
2. fry the cucumbers
3. slice the soft cheese
4. slice the apple sauce
5. flip the cucumbers
6. heat the cucumbers
7. eat the soft cheese
8. slice the oxo cubes
9. spoon the oxo cubes onto a warmed plate
10. fry the cous cous until browned
11. bake for 50 minutes and serve hot
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:58:53pm |
re: #280 YoungLibertarian92
Cool. I represented the Ogoni people in the negotiations with Shell Oil. The other players where the government, the military, and Greenpeace.
You're with the Centre for Constitutional Rights?
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 4:58:55pm |
its beyond me why americans diagree about healthcare. If we had 1/100 of what you have we sure will be greatfull to the Gods
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:00:04pm |
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iceweasel Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:00:42pm |
re: #304 Obdicut
Goddamn, that's terrible. What the hell.
Law-talking guys, is there anyway anyone can overrule the judge during the case itself, or does it have to wait for the conclusion?
It really isn't as catastrophic as it sounds. See Thanos' comments above, and my own. Also this from the link:
He said that until the defense decides which evidence it will present, it's difficult for him to rule out Scott Roeder's proposed defense claim in the killing of Dr. George Tiller in Wichita, Kansas, last May.
My emphases.
This is a consequence of the way the KS statute is written, and prior comments by the judge (as well as a prior ruling) make it very clear that he isn't going to let Roeder turn the trial into a megaphone for his crazy.
So it still looks like Roeder is going away for a long, long time.
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Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:00:42pm |
re: #316 Varek Raith
Oh my... I wasn't suspecting you of anything! :)
Okey Dokey, I'm off the soap box. Sorry. My Hubby warned me how sensitive everyone is about sock puppets and I wanted to make sure you didn't think I was one.
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:01:39pm |
i just found out that the best way to make money is to pose as a right wing person and say you have a plan to bring down obama but people should fund your effort first, LOL
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:01:40pm |
re: #324 tajsagay
I may be a Libertarian but I still believe we should have some form of universal health care in America.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:01:41pm |
re: #322 Slumbering Behemoth
It's a fun link, I'll suggest Reine post that on the cookbook blog.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:01:45pm |
re: #327 Dragon_Lady
Okey Dokey, I'm off the soap box. Sorry. My Hubby warned me how sensitive everyone is about sock puppets and I wanted to make sure you didn't think I was one.
You're a sock puppet?
//
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:02:14pm |
re: #329 YoungLibertarian92
I may be a Libertarian but I still believe we should have some form of universal health care in America.
If I could reach through here and slap you....//
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:02:31pm |
I may even be willing to accept a Taiwanese style single-payer system or a Swiss style private system.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:02:57pm |
re: #325 sattv4u2
You don't pay into ANY federal tax program!?!?
I am a sole proprietor. I'm taxed as an individual, and pay my own share of FICA. I love not doing payroll (after doing it for 6 of my 10 years in business.) Limits my ability to grow the business, but so do lots of other things.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:03:01pm |
re: #329 YoungLibertarian92
You're going to have to explain how you can be a Liberterian and support universal health care because I don't think you can get there from here.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:03:08pm |
re: #328 tajsagay
i just found out that the best way to make money is to pose as a right wing person and say you have a plan to bring down obama but people should fund your effort first, LOL
I prefer just to send emails telling people of my uncle who needs a data haven to hid some money in.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:03:27pm |
Excuse me while I go talk to myself...
/// ;)
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:03:53pm |
re: #336 RogueOne
You're going to have to explain how you can be a Liberterian and support universal health care because I don't think you can get there from here.
Ah. Libertarian, the party that is and always will be the party of the future.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:04:03pm |
re: #279 windsagio
My current theory is that the 2 new poeple are either the same person or are very close friends making a run on the blog >
What do you mean by "making a run on the blog"?
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:04:22pm |
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Randall Gross Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:04:22pm |
re: #206 iceweasel
Exactly. IIRC the judge had thrown out the earlier defense Roeder wanted to use, which was essentially the one that would have allowed him (Roeder) to put abortion on trial and claim the murder was 'justifiable homicide' or some such crap.
The judge has made it pretty damn clear he won't let Roeder use the trial as a megaphone for his virulent and murderous anti-abortion ideology.
The shit is still going to try to show that it's "reasonable" or that he believes that Tiller's a murderer, the martyr complex is strong in these crazies. They all think they are the new John Brown.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:04:25pm |
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Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:04:30pm |
re: #293 windsagio
No, you're a wife!
(err that sounds condescending and sexist, didn't mean it that way, so please don't take it like that :p)
No worries on this end, I am a wife! Or as my father calls me a brid, because I'm not big enough to be a broad!
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:04:55pm |
re: #336 RogueOne
Universal health care doesn't exactly entail government control, it could be done with state-by-state mandates to buy health insurance, the federal government can't because its unconstitutional. If we imported foreign drugs, gave out tax credits, and allowed people to shop across statelines, then universal health care may be achievable .
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:05:02pm |
re: #341 Spare O'Lake
meaning that theres no long term agenda or anything, just having fun and amping up the act until its obvious to everyone... seeing how far they can push it and fool everyone.
I'm kinda misusing the term, but what the hell? :)
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:05:37pm |
re: #329 YoungLibertarian92
That makes no sense whatsoever.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:05:44pm |
re: #347 YoungLibertarian92
That is still state control, the state is forcing you to buy a commodity.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:05:55pm |
re: #336 RogueOne
You're going to have to explain how you can be a Liberterian and support universal health care because I don't think you can get there from here.
minor detail...
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:05:55pm |
re: #344 Walter L. Newton
i beleive in God but i can not impose him on any one
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:06:19pm |
re: #349 YoungLibertarian92
Are you joking?
No in the least. Are you (about single payer and being a Libertarian)?
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:06:35pm |
i prefer government hands than private corps hand
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:07:01pm |
re: #347 YoungLibertarian92
You're not libertarian, you're a liberal. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:07:14pm |
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:07:26pm |
Really i was out the door..........but i am getting through SO MUCH popcorn right now.
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:07:36pm |
re: #354 Walter L. Newton
No. Single-payer is a last resort. Forcing people to buy insurance will be a second to last resort.
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Bubblehead II Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:07:51pm |
re: #279 windsagio
One happens to wonder if his IP address is Nigerian.
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Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:08:26pm |
re: #355 tajsagay
i prefer government hands than private corps hand
Oh you poor, poor misguided person! Government? Hands? On my private life? UGH, BLEAH! Over my dead body!
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:08:29pm |
re: #361 Bubblehead II
One happens to wonder if his IP address is Nigerian.
I'm completely buying it. No one fakes being from Nigeria.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:08:33pm |
re: #360 YoungLibertarian92
No. Single-payer is a last resort. Forcing people to buy insurance will be a
second to last resortcause for national mutiny.
FTFY
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:08:35pm |
Hmm, the 50 post rule is broken again or turned off. People were wondering about that last night.
Unless.... unless Charles is in on it!!!
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allegro Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:08:36pm |
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Randall Gross Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:08:56pm |
re: #263 iceweasel
Yes, but that is standard prosecution tactics here. The judge really didn't have a choice for the reasons Thanos gave, and the judge's previous comments indicate he has no intention of letting Roeder make this a platform for his beliefs.
Am I happy that the KS statute is written in this way? Hell no. But Roeder isn't going to get off, and I would even suspect that we'll see the KS statute rewritten as a result eventually-- especially as it's been home to abortion violence and Operation Rescue for so long. (Though I believe that OR is in the process of relocating; now that they've finally xxx'd Tiller off their kill list, they have a doctor in Nebraska to target.)
I wouldn't count on that "Kansas Statue rewritten" bit too much it's quite likely that Sam Brownback and his Dominion minions will be controlling the state a bit longer. He's probably going to be the next Kansas gov.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:09:23pm |
re: #365 windsagio
Hmm, the 50 post rule is broken again or turned off. People were wondering about that last night.
Unless... unless Charles is in on it!!!
50 post rule has been revoked.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:09:23pm |
re: #360 YoungLibertarian92
No. Single-payer is a last resort. Forcing people to buy insurance will be a second to last resort.
And as a Libertarian, those would never be any choice for you. I call bullshit.
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:09:37pm |
re: #357 RogueOne
I'm a firm Chicago school economist, I believe in school choice and gun rights. I also support same-sex marriage. I think that makes me a Libertarian, but I've been called a Liberal, Progressive, a Conservative, a Neoconservative, etc.
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:09:40pm |
re: #362 Dragon_Lady
for profit is for profit even at the cost of human lives
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iceweasel Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:10:02pm |
re: #343 Thanos
The shit is still going to try to show that it's "reasonable" or that he believes that Tiller's a murderer, the martyr complex is strong in these crazies. They all think they are the new John Brown.
Yup. I'll be watching developments closely.
Assuming that this defense does go forward and the judge doesn't exclude it later based on their 'evidence' not warranting it, the entire issue will revolve around the defense trying to sneak in ways to show that Roeder's belief was not 'unreasonable'.
Standard practice for these murderous scumbags when they're caught. It's also part of their plan. And there is a plan, don't doubt it -- OR is merely the public face of the murderous Army of God, and never doubt that these 'lone wackos' who blow up clinics or shoot doctors are plugged into that network, and the money and legal assistance they have at the ready.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:10:16pm |
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:10:42pm |
re: #364 The Sanity Inspector
Take a step back and think about what you just said.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:11:07pm |
re: #375 RogueOne
BRB, all the sudden I need something to drink.
Cheers! Looks like a good night for a drink.
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:11:16pm |
re: #363 RogueOne
seems you people think nigerians are under exposed like palin
i probably know more than you do and am studing microbiology
| 379 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:11:17pm |
(now onto beer and chips.....literally shovelling now)
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:11:19pm |
re: #371 tajsagay
for profit is for profit even at the cost of human lives
I work for a non-profit charity. We run 18 thrift stores (use clothing, used furniture) and the money we collect pays my salary, and the rest goes to disabled people. We make a profit, salaries, and we SAVE human lives.
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Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:11:31pm |
re: #371 tajsagay
for profit is for profit even at the cost of human lives
Ouch! We generally frown on taking lives for profit here. 25 years to life in jail is the punishment for such a crime here.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:11:40pm |
re: #377 Killgore Trout
Cheers! Looks like a good night for a drink.
Gotta random recipe for that?
/:)
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:11:47pm |
re: #379 wozzablog
I dunno man, I find it kinda painful to watch.
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Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:12:03pm |
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Randall Gross Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:12:06pm |
re: #373 iceweasel
Yup. I'll be watching developments closely.
Assuming that this defense does go forward and the judge doesn't exclude it later based on their 'evidence' not warranting it, the entire issue will revolve around the defense trying to sneak in ways to show that Roeder's belief was not 'unreasonable'.Standard practice for these murderous scumbags when they're caught. It's also part of their plan. And there is a plan, don't doubt it -- OR is merely the public face of the murderous Army of God, and never doubt that these 'lone wackos' who blow up clinics or shoot doctors are plugged into that network, and the money and legal assistance they have at the ready.
If I get a chance I'm going to try to take a break and go down to the trial if there are demos outside.
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abolitionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:12:07pm |
re: #343 Thanos
The shit is still going to try to show that it's "reasonable" or that he believes that Tiller's a murderer, the martyr complex is strong in these crazies. They all think they are the new John Brown.
John Brown didn't fare so well.
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allegro Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:12:16pm |
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Summer Seale Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:12:19pm |
Probably already posted but fresh from the Google blog:
Google will re-evaluate its decision to be in China (even going as far as to pull out if necessary)
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:12:27pm |
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:12:29pm |
re: #381 Dragon_Lady
what about health care insurance people. i have seen sicko you know
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:12:38pm |
re: #357 RogueOne
You're not libertarian, you're a liberal. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
got this from Webster's ...
"Libertarian" as "classical liberal"
However, in the US since the 1950s, the word libertarian has been massively used by classical liberalss, only a few of them being anarcho-capitalists. These classical liberals sought to avoid confusion with uses of the word liberal then widely associated to various social-democratic and even socialist parties and even ideologies. Indeed, the libertarian socialist tradition was not strong in the US, so the word was not deeply tied to left-anarchism, whereas there was a tradition of individualist anarchists and other non-socialists and non-anarchists calling themselves libertarians in the US. The word has spread to the US and then other countries, through the founding of think tanks, parties and other groups.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:13:09pm |
re: #381 Dragon_Lady
Not sure that is how he meant it.
BBL
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iceweasel Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:13:45pm |
re: #385 Thanos
If I get a chance I'm going to try to take a break and go down to the trial if there are demos outside.
I think that's a great idea. I'd go myself if I were anywhere near there. Good luck and report back to us! And be safe. Those people scare the hell out of me.
| 395 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:14:00pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:14:06pm |
re: #390 tajsagay
what about health care insurance people. i have seen sicko you know
My goodness. Someone who gets his information from a movie, to say nothing about it being a movie by Michael Moore.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:14:25pm |
re: #371 tajsagay
In America, you don't make profits if you sacrifice lives often. You know why? It looks bad for your company and people don't want to do business with you anymore.
It's called capitalism.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:14:29pm |
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:14:58pm |
re: #396 MandyManners
Aah, Moore. Thats always a good button to push to get people riled up >>
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:15:28pm |
re: #390 tajsagay
what about health care insurance people. i have seen sicko you know
/are you sure your not in a Starbucks on the upper west side?
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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:15:43pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:16:04pm |
re: #399 tajsagay
i totally beelieve MM
We all do. He is like a god. He even looks a little like a buddah.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:16:35pm |
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:16:35pm |
re: #402 brookly red
believe me am in a small university town called ile-ife nigeria. you can google it
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:16:43pm |
I wonder, to a degree, is the Head Lizard is, perhaps, in on this???
/crazy thinking off...?
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:16:45pm |
re: #383 windsagio
I'm British. I like that sort of thing.
When you have a full card of pro-wrestling...........there will be a weak match up or two scheduled where people can take a bathroom break or visit the concessions stand.
This is one of those times.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:17:00pm |
re: #404 Walter L. Newton
We all do. He is like a god. He even looks a little like a buddah.
Don't be mean to Buddha.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:17:31pm |
re: #409 Varek Raith
It's not april first.
Maybe it's some kind of seeekrit lizardoid holiday devoted to Loki.........
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:17:33pm |
re: #400 windsagio
Aah, Moore. Thats always a good button to push to get people riled up >>
I didn't bring him to this discussion.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:17:41pm |
Scott Brown did a good job, he is a definite contender. No clear winner in the debate, the moderator was clearly biased against Scott IMO.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:17:43pm |
re: #408 tajsagay
believe me am in a small university town called ile-ife nigeria. you can google it
I can google 9/11 truth too... what is the point.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:17:48pm |
re: #399 tajsagay
I believe MM too. Not the fatty, the one you just replied to.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:17:58pm |
re: #413 MandyManners
Not saying you did Ma'am. I am saying it got a strong reaction from you :)
| 419 |
tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:18:01pm |
if we had more M moores this world will be great
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:18:08pm |
re: #376 YoungLibertarian92
Take a step back and think about what you just said.
Let the people who seriously entertain the notion of forcing people to buy shit think twice, instead.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:18:32pm |
re: #401 YoungLibertarian92
What do you support?
No can play that way. Answer my question. You cannot be a Libertarian if you accept either of those two choices you stated above. I asked you to explain how those choices fit into a Libertarian political philosophy. And be real careful in your answer, I don't think you know my connection with a number of major Libertarians in Colorado. I am very aware of the concepts of Libertarianism, and you miss the mark by a whole.
So, stop being dishonest and answer the question. You brought it up.
| 422 |
MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:18:44pm |
| 423 |
windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:18:49pm |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:18:49pm |
re: #391 brookly red
got this from Webster's ...
"Libertarian" as "classical liberal"
However, in the US since the 1950s, the word libertarian has been massively used by classical liberalss, only a few of them being anarcho-capitalists. These classical liberals sought to avoid confusion with uses of the word liberal then widely associated to various social-democratic and even socialist parties and even ideologies. Indeed, the libertarian socialist tradition was not strong in the US, so the word was not deeply tied to left-anarchism, whereas there was a tradition of individualist anarchists and other non-socialists and non-anarchists calling themselves libertarians in the US. The word has spread to the US and then other countries, through the founding of think tanks, parties and other groups.
Good point. Even with modern American Libertarianism there's some room for variety. The biggest problem libertarians have is fundamentalism, they just take it too far and it's not a realistic political or social philosophy.
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tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:18:54pm |
re: #416 brookly red
i love americans, always in control of the conversation.
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rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:18:59pm |
OT: Supposedly Harold Ford will go after US Senator Kirsten Gillibrand's seat (NY). The democrat party could learn a lot from Harold Ford. He's very smart, honest and reasonable. I've seen him several times over the years on TV and came away with the impression that he's likable and never lowered himself to chicken-shit talking points. If I ever voted for a democrat, Ford would make the short list.
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albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:19:02pm |
re: #370 YoungLibertarian92
I'm a firm Chicago school economist, I believe in school choice and gun rights. I also support same-sex marriage. I think that makes me a Libertarian, but I've been called a Liberal, Progressive, a Conservative, a Neoconservative, etc.
I've been called all that and worse...who cares what they call you or what you call yourself....it doesn't matter
| 428 |
MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:19:04pm |
re: #419 tajsagay
if we had more M moores this world will be great
Didn't anyone tell you to leave the brown acid alone?
| 429 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:19:24pm |
re: #419 tajsagay
I get it. You're having a go at us Lizards here. I believe that is know as trolling.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:20:14pm |
re: #429 Slumbering Behemoth
I get it. You're having a go at us Lizards here. I believe that is know as trolling.
Been giving off red flags since his/her first post. ;)
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:20:20pm |
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:20:27pm |
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:20:30pm |
re: #425 tajsagay
i love americans, always in control of the conversation.
Why do you assume you are talking with Americans?
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:20:33pm |
re: #378 tajsagay
seems you people think nigerians are under exposed like palin
i probably know more than you do and am studing microbiology
No need to advertise. If you're so knowledgeable, just keep posting, and it'll reveal itself.
| 439 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:20:59pm |
Do you all notice how tajsagay's name went from blue (link available) to black in the middle of this conversation.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:21:47pm |
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:21:49pm |
re: #440 tajsagay
so heres the real question: Do you know "Younglibertarian"?
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:22:05pm |
re: #439 Walter L. Newton
Do you all notice how tajsagay's name went from blue (link available) to black in the middle of this conversation.
not but i did notice that he types all lower case like a facebook kid...
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McSpiff Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:22:25pm |
re: #437 Bagua
Why do you assume you are talking with Americans?
Rick Mercer isn't even here!
(Link for the non-Canadians: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] )
| 447 |
Randall Gross Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:22:30pm |
re: #386 abolitionist
John Brown didn't fare so well.
He was also a murdering terrorist who butchered men and their sons with claymores in front of their daughters and wives. He's still a hero to some, and they see themselves as sparking the next civil war like John Brown.
| 449 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:22:37pm |
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:23:04pm |
re: #419 tajsagay
if we had more M moores this world will be great
Haven't you heard about the world food shortage?
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:23:08pm |
| 452 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:23:29pm |
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McSpiff Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:23:37pm |
re: #444 brookly red
not but i did notice that he types all lower case like a facebook kid...
Does that post count as irony or?
//Just pulling your leg red
| 455 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:23:39pm |
Out of his parents' basement. Into your fairy tales.
*Language Warning*
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:24:01pm |
| 458 |
windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:24:17pm |
The funny part is we've been having a meta-conversation about the blog being trolled vor like the last 200 posts, and people totally ignored it and engaged full-bore anyways.
| 459 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:24:17pm |
| 460 |
tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:24:20pm |
how can i upload upload my picture on this site?
| 461 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:24:32pm |
| 462 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:24:34pm |
| 463 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:24:40pm |
*munch, munch, munch*
Can someone pass the salt? My popcorn's a little bland. Thanks.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:25:03pm |
re: #455 Slumbering Behemoth
Out of his parents' basement. Into your fairy tales.
*Language Warning*
Where's the Cheeots, dood?
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albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:25:14pm |
re: #458 windsagio
The funny part is we've been having a meta-conversation about the blog being trolled vor like the last 200 posts, and people totally ignored it and engaged full-bore anyways.
so what?...is that a problem?
| 467 |
McSpiff Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:25:22pm |
re: #457 MandyManners
RED FLAG THE SIZE OF MOUNT RUSHMORE.
Sigh another upding. Killing me today Mandy...
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rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:25:23pm |
re: #450 Spare O'Lake
Haven't you heard about the world food shortage?
Heh. But XXXL people provide a great service. They always know where all the restaurants are.
| 470 |
windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:25:47pm |
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:26:09pm |
re: #460 tajsagay
put it on imageshack and post it as a link ;)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:26:29pm |
re: #464 MandyManners
Notice the orange finger nails. I think it's hiding them under it's shirt.
| 473 |
MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:26:37pm |
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Bubblehead II Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:26:48pm |
What's surprising is that we've haven't seem more trolls/Socks. Registration appears to still be open.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:27:06pm |
re: #472 Slumbering Behemoth
Notice the orange finger nails. I think it's hiding them under it's shirt.
I noticed the sticky stain from the Yoohoo.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:27:12pm |
re: #457 MandyManners
Did you miss "microbiology"? That's almost a checklist.
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vanderloon Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:27:20pm |
re: #453 tajsagay
any one heard of the BNP in the uk?
I am aware of all internet traditions and trolling conventions.
It seems to me that what your are about is, well, sort of questionable.
| 478 |
McSpiff Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:27:25pm |
re: #474 Bubblehead II
What's surprising is that we've haven't seem more trolls/Socks. Registration appears to still be open.
Had to go and jinx it..
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rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:27:29pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:27:45pm |
re: #476 EmmmieG
Did you miss "microbiology"? That's almost a checklist.
I dinged it down for arrogance.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:27:56pm |
Just what in the heck is going on here?
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:28:01pm |
| 483 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:28:59pm |
re: #481 Charles
It's either something from Seuss or a Troll Roast.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:29:24pm |
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rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:29:39pm |
re: #481 Charles
Just what in the heck is going on here?
We're waiting for Rather to make a statement on today's ruling.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:29:43pm |
| 488 |
tajsagay Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:29:52pm |
re: #477 vanderloon
pls whats trolling. hope am not breaking this site's rules.
| 489 |
Randall Gross Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:29:55pm |
Great photo gallery, depressing however.
| 490 |
Bubblehead II Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:30:01pm |
re: #478 McSpiff
True, probably shouldn't of posted that it was open. We'll probably start getting socks from that site which shall not be named
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:30:22pm |
re: #486 rwmofo
We're waiting for Rather to make a statement on today's ruling.
He's in a fetal position under his desk, sucking his thumb and muttering something incomprehensible.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:30:48pm |
re: #490 Bubblehead II
it got closed within minutes of somebody sayint it was still open >
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:31:46pm |
re: #481 Charles
Just what in the heck is going on here?
Oh hai. Whee wuz just playin wit teh gamy buttocks.
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albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:32:14pm |
re: #489 Thanos
Great photo gallery, depressing however.
#11...a baby grand piano laying on it's side...sad
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:32:34pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:32:38pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:32:44pm |
re: #474 Bubblehead II
Possible sleepers?
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rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:33:20pm |
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prairiefire Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:33:47pm |
The lady editor from 60 minutes said that she is going to make a documentary on the Rathergate issue. I assume it will be a her side of the story. She is probably laboring away, splicing film footage of stock photos of military records. Can't wait to see it.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:33:53pm |
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:34:11pm |
OT
BREAKING
5.5 earthquake in Haiti.
Buildings down, unknown dead.
Scattered images coming through. Powerlines down.
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Gus Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:34:12pm |
re: #500 Slumbering Behemoth
Possible sleepers?
I don't know. Might be a language/culture barrier in one case.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:34:39pm |
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:34:48pm |
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rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:35:28pm |
Something is setting off a lot of BS Detectors.
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albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:35:37pm |
re: #505 wozzablog
OT
BREAKING
5.5 earthquake in Haiti.
Buildings down, unknown dead.
Scattered images coming through. Powerlines down.
that was hours ago...it was 7.0
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:35:54pm |
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Bubblehead II Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:36:07pm |
re: #500 Slumbering Behemoth
There may be some still out there, but these two registered today.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:36:17pm |
re: #458 windsagio
The funny part is we've been having a meta-conversation about the blog being trolled vor like the last 200 posts, and people totally ignored it and engaged full-bore anyways.
Meta, shmeta.
Feeding the troll is a time-honoured ritual.
It's like fattening up the Thanksgiving turkey for the slaughter.
| 521 |
MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:36:19pm |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:36:21pm |
re: #516 albusteve
Maybe a second quake.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:36:45pm |
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:36:47pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:37:07pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:37:45pm |
re: #526 wozzablog
Just switched on my news channel.
Hadn't been posted here yet.
Yes, it had. This afternoon.
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albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:38:30pm |
re: #523 Killgore Trout
Maybe a second quake.
don't know...that would sure be about the end of the world for those poor souls
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:39:34pm |
re: #489 Thanos
Great photo gallery, depressing however.
Except that some of these pictures were taken just before demolition, years ago.
I know there's a lot of abandoned crap in Detroit (the GM facility where I used to work 20 years ago) but some of the photos in that gallery are just bogus.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:40:46pm |
re: #523 Killgore Trout
USGS said it was a 5.9 aftershock, large, but not out of line, given the 7.0 of the original earthquake.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:41:00pm |
re: #439 Walter L. Newton
Do you all notice how tajsagay's name went from blue (link available) to black in the middle of this conversation.
Did you notice when I started a charity to help feed people [Link: www.food4humanity.org...] I got trashed? I was hacked.Trashed..Hacked?
Remember? I will never post my dreams again because of the ugliness of the Stalkers that read the posting here again...Never blame us..
The Ugliness is beyond believe.. I will never post my links here...
Never judge a dream...Rodan has trashed my life at the stalker site...
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:41:00pm |
re: #412 wozzablog
It's not april first.
Maybe it's some kind of seeekrit lizardoid holiday devoted to Loki...
Eris...
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:41:06pm |
re: #521 MandyManners
after shock of 5.0 seems to be the "breaking" part
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:41:25pm |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:41:28pm |
For those who are curious about Younglibertarian's views this may explain things a bit....
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:41:57pm |
re: #423 windsagio
Damn I thought of a better one!
Can I change my answer to "Marilyn Manson"?
Marilyn Monroe?
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:42:01pm |
re: #535 HoosierHoops
Hiya Hooopster!
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:43:29pm |
re: #469 tajsagay
isnt world peace attainable?
re: #479 rwmofo
With the US Military looking after things, yes.
Assuming Taj is serious, that's not a real good answer. The US military can not and should not be the World Police (despite protestations of Fuck, yeah!!).
So, Taj, the answer is no. There can not be "world peace". As long as you have something I want and am willing to fight for, be it money, or, as we will increasingly see in the coming years, arable land and water, there will be no world peace. Nice thought, though....
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Gus Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:44:33pm |
re: #526 wozzablog
Just switched on my news channel.
Hadn't been posted here yet.
These are all the recent quakes in the Haiti region:
MAP 5.1 2010/01/13 01:16:52 18.431 -72.856 10.0 HAITI REGION
MAP 5.2 2010/01/13 00:59:06 18.257 -72.914 10.0 HAITI REGION
MAP 5.0 2010/01/13 00:43:28 18.541 -72.486 10.0 HAITI REGION
MAP 5.1 2010/01/12 23:12:04 18.390 -72.570 10.0 HAITI REGION
MAP 5.5 2010/01/12 22:12:05 18.485 -72.556 10.0 HAITI REGION
MAP 5.9 2010/01/12 22:00:42 18.321 -72.848 10.0 HAITI REGION
MAP 7.0 2010/01/12 21:53:10 18.451 -72.445 10.0 HAITI REGION
Second number is magnitude values. Times are UTC.
[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]
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allegro Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:44:40pm |
re: #542 austin_blue
There can not be "world peace". As long as you have something I want and am willing to fight for, be it money, or, as we will increasingly see in the coming years, arable land and water, there will be no world peace.
Well that just harshed my mellow significantly.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:44:40pm |
re: #541 Floral Giraffe
Hiya Hooopster!
Well Hi beautiful!
How is California? Lucky the Earthquake last week was so far up north
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Kewalo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:44:59pm |
re: #535 HoosierHoops
Damn! That is just sad. I'm really sorry that happened to you.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:45:34pm |
re: #530 tajsagay
Sagay, just so you understand, the reason for all the questions is because there are some people who are very hostile to this blog, they try to register many times just to post insults and such. We call them "sock puppets" here.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:46:21pm |
re: #548 Bagua
I hate to be the irritating precision bastard, but they're only Sock Puppets if they have (or had) another acc't >>
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Bubblehead II Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:47:08pm |
re: #542 austin_blue
That unfortunately is the sad truth about mankind from the dawn of time.
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albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:47:09pm |
re: #542 austin_blue
Assuming Taj is serious, that's not a real good answer. The US military can not and should not be the World Police (despite protestations of Fuck, yeah!!).
So, Taj, the answer is no. There can not be "world peace". As long as you have something I want and am willing to fight for, be it money, or, as we will increasingly see in the coming years, arable land and water, there will be no world peace. Nice thought, though...
well we are to a large degree at present by default...we have taken on AQ and the Somalia pirates to a certain degree...as 'World Police' probably not so good an idea in practice
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:47:40pm |
re: #548 Bagua
Sagay, just so you understand, the reason for all the questions is because there are some people who are very hostile to this blog, they try to register many times just to post insults and such. We call them "sock puppets" here.
Tajinere Patrick Sagay... seems to be legit.
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Gus Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:47:43pm |
re: #544 Gus 802
That was above 5.0. Here's the list for below 5.0:
MAP 4.6 2010/01/13 01:05:50 18.537 -72.666 10.0 HAITI REGION
MAP 4.8 2010/01/13 00:23:57 18.410 -72.716 10.0 HAITI REGION
MAP 4.5 2010/01/12 23:47:39 18.471 -72.851 10.0 HAITI REGION
MAP 4.5 2010/01/12 23:35:40 18.437 -72.811 10.0 HAITI REGION
MAP 4.8 2010/01/12 23:27:37 18.482 -72.810 10.0 HAITI REGION
MAP 4.2 2010/01/12 23:07:04 18.432 -72.620 10.0 HAITI REGION
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rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:47:49pm |
re: #542 austin_blue
Assuming Taj is serious, that's not a real good answer. The US military can not and should not be the World Police (despite protestations of Fuck, yeah!!).
So, Taj, the answer is no. There can not be "world peace". As long as you have something I want and am willing to fight for, be it money, or, as we will increasingly see in the coming years, arable land and water, there will be no world peace. Nice thought, though...
Why do I get the feeling that you fit right in with Pelosi, Murtha and friends going after the people who volunteer to put their lives on the line to protect us. Oh, yeah. I just read your comments.
| 556 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:48:14pm |
re: #548 Bagua
Sagay, just so you understand, the reason for all the questions is because there are some people who are very hostile to this blog, they try to register many times just to post insults and such. We call them "sock puppets" here.
If this is all just one, big misunderstanding...I'm gonna feel like an ass.
:/
| 557 |
MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:48:20pm |
re: #537 wozzablog
after shock of 5.0 seems to be the "breaking" part
One aftershock to the Indian Ocean earthquake was 8.7.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:49:09pm |
re: #556 Varek Raith
Don't. Stand by your instincts!
Even if the identity is legit, that doesn't mean that its not 'borrowed', or that the posts aren't exactly what they seem to be >
Its just a tad more sophisticated is all ;)
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darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:49:11pm |
re: #552 Bagua
Pray for Haiti. Such a desperate place.
Let's not forget, Haiti is such a desperate place that people actually make dirt cookies (yes, cookies made of dirt) that they sell and eat to stave off hunger.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:49:16pm |
re: #546 HoosierHoops
Earthquakes aren't ever lucky!
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albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:49:37pm |
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:49:57pm |
re: #549 windsagio
I hate to be the irritating precision bastard, but they're only Sock Puppets if they have (or had) another acc't >>
Yes, I left that out. It means they are trying to register with a different name.
Tajsagay, also notice that no one gets away with anything, lots of fact checking here and one has to be prepared to defend ones ideas and assertions.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:50:05pm |
re: #558 windsagio
Don't. Stand by your instincts!
Even if the identity is legit, that doesn't mean that its not 'borrowed', or that the posts aren't exactly what they seem to be >
Its just a tad more sophisticated is all ;)
Probably. ;)
| 564 |
Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:50:23pm |
re: #559 darthstar
Let's not forget, Haiti is such a desperate place that people actually make dirt cookies (yes, cookies made of dirt) that they sell and eat to stave off hunger.
Bet you plenty of Haitians would love to be in Gaza.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:51:19pm |
re: #559 darthstar
Let's not forget, Haiti is such a desperate place that people actually make dirt cookies (yes, cookies made of dirt) that they sell and eat to stave off hunger.
It is really just a prison on half an island, not much different from gitmo except that the prisoners in gitmo eat better and have better health care.
| 566 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:51:31pm |
What was the problem Charles? Just curious? Comment went bye-bye.
| 567 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:51:54pm |
re: #556 Varek Raith
If this is all just one, big misunderstanding...I'm gonna feel like an ass.
:/
you should...jumping on the troll bandwagon is bad form imo...not every goofball or disagreeable poster is a troll...I was called a troll just a couple of weeks ago...sort of an oblique insult to Charles and the monitors imo
| 568 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:52:16pm |
re: #564 Alouette
Bet you plenty of Haitians would love to be in Gaza.
I think they'd just like to have food. (no sarc)
| 569 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:52:19pm |
re: #565 Bagua
It is really just a prison on half an island, not much different from gitmo except that the prisoners in gitmo eat better and have better health care.
and did something to get put there...
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:52:45pm |
re: #555 rwmofo
Why do I get the feeling that you fit right in with Pelosi, Murtha and friends going after the people who volunteer to put their lives on the line to protect us. Oh, yeah. I just read your comments.
Click my nic, please. The World Police comment is based on the fact that there are 6 thousand million + people in the world and our military has around 1.1 million people in it. Do the math.
| 571 |
windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:53:00pm |
re: #567 albusteve
well that was unneccessary and unpleasant, go back one space!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:53:13pm |
re: #463 EmmmieG
*munch, munch, munch*
Can someone pass the salt? My popcorn's a little bland. Thanks.
Ya want some butter? I have butter.
| 574 |
prairiefire Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:54:16pm |
re: #572 SanFranciscoZionist
"You can never have enough butter." Julia Child
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darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:54:26pm |
re: #565 Bagua
It is really just a prison on half an island, not much different from gitmo except that the prisoners in gitmo eat better and have better health care.
Good point. The Dominican Republic is the other half of the island...they have boutique resorts there (My parents stayed at one once...full-service, mints on the pillow, kind of place)...yet just across the mountains it's poverty central.
I'd think helicopter relief from the Dominican side of the island might be a good start.
| 578 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:55:00pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:55:34pm |
re: #571 windsagio
well that was unneccessary and unpleasant, go back one space!
in fact I believe it was you that called me a troll...that was unnecessary and rude
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:55:48pm |
re: #569 brookly red
and did something to get put there...
Right, that is a major difference. The Haitians are victims, not perpetrators. The only "crime" they committed was to choose freedom over slavery. For that they have been persecuted and punished for over 200 years.
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iceweasel Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:56:26pm |
re: #566 Walter L. Newton
What was the problem Charles? Just curious? Comment went bye-bye.
Was it the post with a full name in it? That might be why. General policy on that, I thought?
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albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:57:14pm |
| 583 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:57:16pm |
re: #580 Bagua
Right, that is a major difference. The Haitians are victims, not perpetrators. The only "crime" they committed was to choose freedom over slavery. For that they have been persecuted and punished for over 200 years.
Many of the prisoners at Gitmo weren't terrorists or even sympathized with them...at least before they were incarcerated without charges for 7 years.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:57:37pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:57:54pm |
re: #575 darthstar
Good point. The Dominican Republic is the other half of the island...they have boutique resorts there (My parents stayed at one once...full-service, mints on the pillow, kind of place)...yet just across the mountains it's poverty central.
I'd think helicopter relief from the Dominican side of the island might be a good start.
If you want to have a "whoa" moment, click up Google Maps and look at the difference in deforestation between the Haitian and DR sides of the border. Stark.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:58:09pm |
re: #581 iceweasel
Was it the post with a full name in it? That might be why. General policy on that, I thought?
Yes, and my other link to his blogspotis where I got his full name, so not much of a secret. We had links to his Twitter too. But, what ever, I was just curious, not complaining.
| 587 |
windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:58:17pm |
re: #579 albusteve
I don't remember calling you a troll. Remember where it was?
Hell tho, if Varek is okay with it (and I see you apologized to him), its not my place to borrow anger. So I'll just step back :P
| 588 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:58:29pm |
re: #575 darthstar
Good point. The Dominican Republic is the other half of the island...they have boutique resorts there (My parents stayed at one once...full-service, mints on the pillow, kind of place)...yet just across the mountains it's poverty central.
I'd think helicopter relief from the Dominican side of the island might be a good start.
Relief is good, but it is a hopeless cause. Haiti needs to be largely evacuated and the people resettled where they have a chance at a descent life.
As far as Gitmo, I don't want to debate that now, I was just using it to illustrate my point.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:58:57pm |
re: #580 Bagua
Right, that is a major difference. The Haitians are victims, not perpetrators. The only "crime" they committed was to choose freedom over slavery. For that they have been persecuted and punished for over 200 years.
I don't know the full history but I will just hope that the next round of leadership there will do better by the people.
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avanti Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:59:18pm |
re: #552 Bagua
Pray for Haiti. Such a desperate place.
The only port of call I recall not wanting to go on liberty. I recall we were anchored out, and some sailors paid $5.00 to be rowed out by a Haitian, while his "assistant" serviced the passenger. That $5.00 was likely a weeks pay back in the 60's for the locals.
| 591 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 5:59:46pm |
re: #587 windsagio
I don't remember calling you a troll. Remember where it was?
Hell tho, if Varek is okay with it (and I see you apologized to him), its not my place to borrow anger. So I'll just step back :P
I didn't apologize, your seeing things...he get's it
| 592 |
Randall Gross Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:00:26pm |
re: #586 Walter L. Newton
I'm thinking it might be the "download this software to your computer" links in some of the posts there.
| 593 |
windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:00:44pm |
re: #591 albusteve
err, ok. Lets drop it. The point is, Varek's cool.
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iceweasel Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:00:58pm |
re: #586 Walter L. Newton
Yes, and my other link to his blogspotis where I got his full name, so not much of a secret. We had links to his Twitter too. But, what ever, I was just curious, not complaining.
My guess is that's the reason-- the general policy on posting personal information. The twitter doesn't reveal the full name, I don't think.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:00:59pm |
re: #512 Varek Raith
This is just really...odd.
:)
I say it's a very ingenious bot waiting to sell me a handbag, it's always a handbag.
| 597 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:01:02pm |
re: #585 austin_blue
If you want to have a "whoa" moment, click up Google Maps and look at the difference in deforestation between the Haitian and DR sides of the border. Stark.
As I say, the half of the Island that is Haiti is completely destroyed. It can never support its population in its current condition. It is hopeless. They should be allowed to leave and the nations which destroyed them should pay for this and help them resettle.
| 598 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:01:10pm |
re: #523 Killgore Trout
Maybe a second quake.
There's been a series of aftershocks, including a 5.9 and a 5.2 so far. Sounds like they're getting a real bad ride.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:01:31pm |
re: #560d left to see the World Series Floral Giraffe
Earthquakes aren't ever lucky!
Hi friend..Yes they are..Oct.1989 I was in San Leandro and want to see the Giants-Oakland world series game early at 4pm..I passed under the Cypress point freeway 30 minutes before it Collapsed...
I can say that there is luck involved...
| 600 |
avanti Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:01:36pm |
re: #575 darthstar
Good point. The Dominican Republic is the other half of the island...they have boutique resorts there (My parents stayed at one once...full-service, mints on the pillow, kind of place)...yet just across the mountains it's poverty central.
I'd think helicopter relief from the Dominican side of the island might be a good start.
True, but travel 5 miles from the resorts, the Dominican Republic is pretty bad, at least it was.
| 601 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:01:55pm |
re: #593 windsagio
err, ok. Lets drop it. The point is, Varek's cool.
Whoa! You're totally messin' up my dork image!!11!!
///:)
| 602 |
windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:01:55pm |
re: #596 RogueOne
Man thats my biggest memory of vegas each time I go (well second biggest after the 'clackers'). 10 million handbag stores in that burg.
| 603 |
Randall Gross Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:01:56pm |
re: #595 iceweasel
My guess is that's the reason-- the general policy on posting personal information. The twitter doesn't reveal the full name, I don't think.
That could be it as well if full identity is there.
| 604 |
rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:02:20pm |
re: #570 austin_blue
Click my nic, please. The World Police comment is based on the fact that there are 6 thousand million + people in the world and our military has around 1.1 million people in it. Do the math.
OK. I didn't say we should be the World Police. You did.
To recap:
Q: isnt world peace attainable?
My answer: With the US Military looking after things, yes.
So my point is we're the good guys and keep the peace by being strong, keeping an eye on things and in many cases not even firing one round. One example: The former Soviet Union.
Second example: I bet a lot of Kuwaitis are glad the US Military dropped in circa 1989.
#3: What did the Iraqis do with Saddam after we handed him over to them?
I clicked on your nic, BTW. Thanks for serving.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:03:00pm |
re: #598 SanFranciscoZionist
There's been a series of aftershocks, including a 5.9 and a 5.2 so far. Sounds like they're getting a real bad ride.
An earthquake in Haiti is deadlier there than here becaues of the lack of building standards.
| 606 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:03:10pm |
re: #546 HoosierHoops
Well Hi beautiful!
How is California? Lucky the Earthquake last week was so far up north
Still standing. I didn't feel a thing.
| 607 |
windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:03:59pm |
re: #605 EmmmieG
WHAT?!! Are you saying the government should butt into the rights of contractors to build however they damn well please!?!
| 608 |
MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:04:34pm |
re: #590 avanti
The only port of call I recall not wanting to go on liberty. I recall we were anchored out, and some sailors paid $5.00 to be rowed out by a Haitian, while his "assistant" serviced the passenger. That $5.00 was likely a weeks pay back in the 60's for the locals.
There was a bar on a row boat?
| 609 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:04:52pm |
re: #600 avanti
True, but travel 5 miles from the resorts, the Dominican Republic is pretty bad, at least it was.
the DR is still pretty much 3rd world, but Haiti is in a class by itself.
| 610 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:05:01pm |
re: #597 Bagua
As I say, the half of the Island that is Haiti is completely destroyed. It can never support its population in its current condition. It is hopeless. They should be allowed to leave and the nations which destroyed them should pay for this and help them resettle.
I was going to post that exact sentiment earlier today but didn't have the energy...voluntarily of course, the country should be abandoned...it is hopeless
| 611 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:05:07pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:05:56pm |
re: #607 windsagio
WHAT?!! Are you saying the government should butt into the rights of contractors to build however they damn well please!?!
Well, I suppose that using cinder blocks as a ceiling in an earthquake-prone area is fine for some...
| 614 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:05:59pm |
re: #16 wrenchwench
throbbing memo throbbing memo throbbing memo throbbing memo throbbing memo throbbing memo throbbing memo throbbing memo memo throbbing memo throbbing memo throbbing memo throbbing memo throbbing memo throbbing memo throbbing memo memo throbbing memo throbbing memo throbbing memo throbbing memo throbbing memo throbbing memo
Wanted to have a little more fun...
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SteveC Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:06:18pm |
Where are the Navy's hospital ships? If they were ever needed, it's now.
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:06:28pm |
re: #599 HoosierHoops
Hi friend..Yes they are..Oct.1989 I was in San Leandro and want to see the Giants-Oakland world series game early at 4pm..I passed under the Cypress point freeway 30 minutes before it Collapsed...
I can say that there is luck involved...
Geez, Hoops, close call. That was a classic engineers quake. If you were built on fill, your structure went down like a Shriner on vacation. If you were on hard ground, you made out OK. We learned a lot from that disaster.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:06:46pm |
re: #592 Thanos
I'm thinking it might be the "download this software to your computer" links in some of the posts there.
Yeah, some of that stuff looked really sketchy including links to sites for online money transfers, etc.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:07:32pm |
re: #615 SteveC
Where are the Navy's hospital ships? If they were ever needed, it's now.
I hope they're under way now.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:07:52pm |
re: #613 EmmmieG
Well, I suppose that using cinder blocks as a ceiling in an earthquake-prone area is fine for some...
IIRC they had a similar issue in Turkey not so long ago...
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windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:08:10pm |
re: #619 MandyManners
ah hell, I can't outright say it.
Get your mind into the gutter and rethink the word 'servicing'.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:08:12pm |
Oh, dear me. I just *got* it.
I'm gonna' go hide now.
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rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:08:56pm |
re: #623 MandyManners
Oh, dear me. I just *got* it.
I'm gonna' go hide now.
Heh, and I thought you were joking.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:09:07pm |
re: #622 windsagio
ah hell, I can't outright say it.
Get your mind into the gutter and rethink the word 'servicing'.
told ya not to do it...
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:09:09pm |
re: #589 brookly red
I don't know the full history but I will just hope that the next round of leadership there will do better by the people.
In brief, they were the first nation in modern history to throw of the yoke of slavery through revolt. A bunch of slaves gained liberty through force of arms and went on to later defeat a force of 30,000 sent by Napoleon.
They were essentially embargoed, blackmailed and looted until the US invaded in 1915, as an independent nation of freed black slaves was not acceptable to "civilised" countries. A mark of shame on the histories of America, France, Britain and Germany.
| 629 |
Bubblehead II Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:09:10pm |
re: #619 MandyManners
Ummmmm.... Ladies of Ill Repute.
| 630 |
windsagio Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:09:58pm |
re: #627 brookly red
She had to know... Its not fair otherwise >>
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:10:08pm |
re: #604 rwmofo
OK. I didn't say we should be the World Police. You did.
To recap:
Q: isnt world peace attainable?
My answer: With the US Military looking after things, yes.
So my point is we're the good guys and keep the peace by being strong, keeping an eye on things and in many cases not even firing one round. One example: The former Soviet Union.
Second example: I bet a lot of Kuwaitis are glad the US Military dropped in circa 1989.
#3: What did the Iraqis do with Saddam after we handed him over to them?
I clicked on your nic, BTW. Thanks for serving.
You really think the U.S. military can achieve world peace? I got nothing but respect, but dude, that's a kind of tall order.
Yes, we pulled Kuwait out of the fire, but we can't and won't do that worldwide.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:10:41pm |
re: #615 SteveC
Where are the Navy's hospital ships? If they were ever needed, it's now.
The Coast Guard is always off the shore of Haiti, looking to keep the prisoners on the island.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:10:46pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:11:29pm |
re: #605 EmmmieG
An earthquake in Haiti is deadlier there than here becaues of the lack of building standards.
You see this all over. A quake that would be no big deal in California buries thousands in Iran or Turkey.
Building standards are your neat friends.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:12:03pm |
re: #607 windsagio
WHAT?!! Are you saying the government should butt into the rights of contractors to build however they damn well please!?!
The free market will see to it that buildings are safe!
/
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rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:12:09pm |
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allegro Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:12:17pm |
re: #633 Bagua
The Coast Guard is always off the shore of Haiti, looking to keep the prisoners on the island.
Yet we always seem to have enough funds to blow the crap outa some country. This breaks my heart and I will NEVER get the priorities... or lack thereof.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:13:05pm |
re: #638 SanFranciscoZionist
The free market will see to it that buildings are safe!
/
that and the trial lawyers...
| 642 |
What, me worry? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:13:10pm |
re: #598 SanFranciscoZionist
There's been a series of aftershocks, including a 5.9 and a 5.2 so far. Sounds like they're getting a real bad ride.
Yikes, that's all they need!
We have a large Haitian population in Miami. We even have a neighborhood called Little Haiti. Very anxious to become citizens, assimilate and are hard working folks. One of my bosses is Haitian. Harvard grad too. Hellofa guy.
U.S. policy doesn't favor Haitian immigration which is a shame because they need it and Haiti is a fledgling democracy. Maybe that's why the U.S. doesn't favor it. At the time Elian Gonzales' fate was being decided, there were 10 Haitian children being deported for the same reasons.
Anyway, island folk are a lot of fun. They know how to have a good time. Must be all those rum drinks.
| 643 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:13:12pm |
re: #616 austin_blue
Geez, Hoops, close call. That was a classic engineers quake. If you were built on fill, your structure went down like a Shriner on vacation. If you were on hard ground, you made out OK. We learned a lot from that disaster.
I was home, doing my homework and sulking. That was a QUAKE!
| 644 |
SteveC Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:13:23pm |
Eight aftershocks of 5.0 or greater so far
The last two were practically on top of each other: 01:32:45 and 01:36:34 UTC
| 645 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:14:10pm |
re: #604 rwmofo
OK. I didn't say we should be the World Police. You did.
To recap:
Q: isnt world peace attainable?
My answer: With the US Military looking after things, yes.
So my point is we're the good guys and keep the peace by being strong, keeping an eye on things and in many cases not even firing one round. One example: The former Soviet Union.
Second example: I bet a lot of Kuwaitis are glad the US Military dropped in circa 1989.
#3: What did the Iraqis do with Saddam after we handed him over to them?
I clicked on your nic, BTW. Thanks for serving.
Another example: Notice all the stores filled with imports. They got here by ship. Who keeps the sea-lanes open and safe?
| 646 |
avanti Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:14:23pm |
re: #609 brookly red
the DR is still pretty much 3rd world, but Haiti is in a class by itself.
I saw the homes build out of corrugated steel and old sheet metal signs and decided not to do the tourist thing.
| 647 |
Randall Gross Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:14:29pm |
Something different.... Stanley Clarke / George Duke
| 648 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:14:33pm |
re: #628 Bagua
In brief, they were the first nation in modern history to throw of the yoke of slavery through revolt. A bunch of slaves gained liberty through force of arms and went on to later defeat a force of 30,000 sent by Napoleon.
They were essentially embargoed, blackmailed and looted until the US invaded in 1915, as an independent nation of freed black slaves was not acceptable to "civilised" countries. A mark of shame on the histories of America, France, Britain and Germany.
I keep hearing rumors that there's a biopic movie about Toussaint L'Ouverteure in the works.
| 649 |
TedStriker Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:14:35pm |
re: #421 Walter L. Newton
No can play that way. Answer my question. You cannot be a Libertarian if you accept either of those two choices you stated above. I asked you to explain how those choices fit into a Libertarian political philosophy. And be real careful in your answer, I don't think you know my connection with a number of major Libertarians in Colorado. I am very aware of the concepts of Libertarianism, and you miss the mark by a whole.
So, stop being dishonest and answer the question. You brought it up.
Walter, do you smell the faint scent of smoked gamey troll buttocks?
///
| 650 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:14:47pm |
re: #599 HoosierHoops
YOU were lucky, the earthquake, was not.
| 651 |
RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:15:18pm |
re: #649 talon_262
I don't think he's a troll, I think he's confused.
| 652 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:15:24pm |
| 653 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:15:41pm |
re: #628 Bagua
In brief, they were the first nation in modern history to throw of the yoke of slavery through revolt. A bunch of slaves gained liberty through force of arms and went on to later defeat a force of 30,000 sent by Napoleon.
They were essentially embargoed, blackmailed and looted until the US invaded in 1915, as an independent nation of freed black slaves was not acceptable to "civilised" countries. A mark of shame on the histories of America, France, Britain and Germany.
The writer Madison Smartt Bell wrote a couple of thrilling novels based on Haiti's war of independence.
| 654 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:15:45pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:16:11pm |
re: #649 talon_262
Walter, do you smell the faint scent of smoked gamey troll buttocks?
///
Yep... which reminds me... it's time for supper... bbiab... (maybe, I move a lot of furniture at the store today, seven aisle's, they buffed the floor, ever have your whole used furniture department pushed into a corner and you have to move it all back?)
| 656 |
rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:16:34pm |
re: #654 SanFranciscoZionist
Aaah, I can still spell.
/
...and as always, I respect you for your mind.
| 657 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:17:02pm |
re: #655 Walter L. Newton
No. Don't think so.
| 658 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:17:32pm |
re: #641 brookly red
that and the trial lawyers...
That's a lot of funerals, especially with no actual building regs.
The Ohlone, of course, just built in bark and wickerwork. If the house falls in during a quake, you pick it out of your hair and start rebuilding while everyone guesses the magnitude.
| 659 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:17:41pm |
Trolling for muskie
At the breaking of the day
Works just fine for me.
| 661 |
Political Atheist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:18:15pm |
re: #657 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If not I do hope the suspicion has not made a rift.
| 663 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:18:23pm |
re: #615 SteveC
Where are the Navy's hospital ships? If they were ever needed, it's now.
Here's some info. We only have two. The hard number is five days to call in the staff, supply, and sail:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Comfort is the Atlantic boat.
| 664 |
A Man for all Seasons Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:19:38pm |
re: #616 austin_blue
Geez, Hoops, close call. That was a classic engineers quake. If you were built on fill, your structure went down like a Shriner on vacation. If you were on hard ground, you made out OK. We learned a lot from that disaster.
Hey friend..Not the worst Earthquake in California I've been through...
When our first born David was born we went up to the mountains to spend thanksgiving with my Brother-in-law..There was a terrible Earthquake..
I remember standing up after it was over and screaming what the fuck!
I was pissed my new born almost died...I was pissed...I was never so scared or never so pissed in my life
| 665 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:20:23pm |
re: #659 Spare O'Lake
Trolling for muskie
At the breaking of the day
Works just fine for me.
Ooh...Haiku time!
You need to have bait
and not just another lure
to get the big ones.
| 666 |
Randall Gross Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:20:32pm |
re: #539 Killgore Trout
For those who are curious about Younglibertarian's views this may explain things a bit...
Reminds me of a smarmy Lenon song.
| 667 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:20:54pm |
re: #653 The Sanity Inspector
The writer Madison Smartt Bell wrote a couple of thrilling novels based on Haiti's war of independence.
another great story is that of the Jamaican Maroons....a slave uprising against British rule that succeeded...very interesting tale and yet today the very same mountain outposts the Brits could not breech are still there and populated by their decendents...the Maroons are the stuff of legend in Jamaica
| 668 |
TampaKnight Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:21:05pm |
Did anyone see McCain properly tell Matt Lauer to shut up with the Palin petty questions this morning?
Took the high road to not trash anyone....I still like this man.
| 669 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:21:08pm |
re: #660 SteveC
Twitter: UN Peacekeeping HQ in Haiti destroyed
That's not really funny.
But weirdly appropriate.
| 670 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:21:17pm |
re: #663 austin_blue
I hate to say this, but,
Some m***rf**ker is going to get his stinking filthy paws into the relief money that people are going to send down there and keep it and let more people die.
| 671 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:21:35pm |
re: #663 austin_blue
Here's some info. We only have two. The hard number is five days to call in the staff, supply, and sail:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Comfort is the Atlantic boat.
We still should be able to airlift supplies and personnel in. It's not far away so C-130s would be able to make the trip.
| 672 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:22:20pm |
re: #668 TampaKnight
Did anyone see McCain properly tell Matt Lauer to shut up with the Palin petty questions this morning?
Took the high road to not trash anyone...I still like this man.
Matt Lauer is a dick
But John McCain still chose her
Palin's his anchor.
| 673 |
Gus Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:22:27pm |
re: #663 austin_blue
Here's some info. We only have two. The hard number is five days to call in the staff, supply, and sail:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Comfort is the Atlantic boat.
If anyone wants to keep track what ever is going to Haiti will be through US Southern Command (SOUTHCOM or USSOUTHCOM).
| 674 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:23:01pm |
re: #670 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Probably, but we can't NOT send aid over that. Think about the UN....
| 675 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:23:10pm |
re: #670 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hate to say this, but,
Some m***rf**ker is going to get his stinking filthy paws into the relief money that people are going to send down there and keep it and let more people die.
Must Concur. Much of the money slated for Haiti will find its way to Grand Cayman instead.
| 676 |
Bubblehead II Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:23:11pm |
re: #661 Rightwingconspirator
S/he is still logged in. Maybe reconsidering earlier posts.
Damn the Stalker sites for creating this atmosphere of distrust.
| 677 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:23:22pm |
re: #666 Thanos
Reminds me of a smarmy Lenon song.
Good observation. When I googled Younglibertarian it went to a page about libertarian socialism that mentioned Lenon.
| 678 |
SteveC Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:23:26pm |
Twitter: National Palace destroyed.
A guy I went to college with lived six blocks from there. :( Haven't seen him since but hope he and his are OK.
| 679 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:23:28pm |
re: #670 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hate to say this, but,
Some m***rf**ker is going to get his stinking filthy paws into the relief money that people are going to send down there and keep it and let more people die.
A dog bites man story if there ever was one.
| 680 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:23:43pm |
re: #671 Dark_Falcon
We still should be able to airlift supplies and personnel in. It's not far away so C-130s would be able to make the trip.
Less than 700 miles from Miami.
| 681 |
Randall Gross Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:23:56pm |
re: #677 Killgore Trout
Good observation. When I googled Younglibertarian it went to a page about libertarian socialism that mentioned Lenon.
Did you see the Noam Chomsky association?
| 682 |
Political Atheist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:24:22pm |
re: #664 HoosierHoops
Hey friend..Not the worst Earthquake in California I've been through...
When our first born David was born we went up to the mountains to spend thanksgiving with my Brother-in-law..There was a terrible Earthquake..
I remember standing up after it was over and screaming what the fuck!
I was pissed my new born almost died...I was pissed...I was never so scared or never so pissed in my life
I lived through the 71 Sylmar quake just a couple miles from the epicenter. Then in '89 I was in south SF for business. Near the airport. Then of course the Northridge quake nearly got us both. Three times in damaged dwellings. Never a scratch, than heavens.
| 683 |
avanti Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:24:29pm |
Google may pull out of China. If they do, it would be nice to see a major corporation do the right thing, even if it hurts their bottom line.
| 684 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:24:36pm |
re: #668 TampaKnight
Did anyone see McCain properly tell Matt Lauer to shut up with the Palin petty questions this morning?
Took the high road to not trash anyone...I still like this man.
So do I. He's a far better man than the general run of US Senators.
| 685 |
YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:24:50pm |
re: #421 Walter L. Newton
Alright Walter, you've Shanghaied me. I was just playing Devil's Advocate. I thought most people on this site where left of center so I thought I'd learn about the Liberal's vision for a single-payer health care system in the United States. I personally do not think it could work because it directly contradicts Americans' individualistic, free market values. I deeply apologize if my actions where misconstrued as "trolling".
| 686 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:24:58pm |
re: #670 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hate to say this, but,
Some m***rf**ker is going to get his stinking filthy paws into the relief money that people are going to send down there and keep it and let more people die.
Then don't. There are plenty of reliable relief organizations that you can give to. If you have the means, then give. If not, then encourage others to do so. But don't inhibit charity by casting suspicion on those who do.
| 687 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:25:04pm |
re: #681 Thanos
Did you see the Noam Chomsky association?
Yeah, I noticed that. An interesting lesson in political philosophy that I was previously unaware of.
| 692 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:26:59pm |
re: #681 Thanos
Did you see the Noam Chomsky association?
Same pig, new lipstick. Here's another one: Participatory Economics.
| 693 |
prairiefire Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:27:02pm |
re: #670 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I still have faith in the American Red Cross. I think there was some scandal about 10 years ago. They have done house cleaning since then. All of the relief agencies need our support! These are hard times and they would appreciate any contribution, no matter how small.
| 694 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:27:07pm |
| 695 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:27:25pm |
re: #690 YoungLibertarian92
She's more of an albatross.
Albatross had too many syllables in this context.
| 697 |
Political Atheist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:27:49pm |
| 698 |
YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:28:10pm |
| 699 |
prairiefire Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:28:13pm |
re: #672 darthstar
Senator McCain should expect many more questions regarding this subject.
| 700 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:28:50pm |
re: #683 avanti
Google may pull out of China. If they do, it would be nice to see a major corporation do the right thing, even if it hurts their bottom line.
It's not just about the right thing. Someone from China hacked them. This announcement by Google is basically an ultimatum to the Chinese Government: Either arrest and punish the hackers who did this and take step to keep this from happening again or we're leaving. China will most likely tell them to leave, as China does not take ultimatums from "Outer Barbarians" very well.
| 701 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:28:57pm |
| 702 |
Political Atheist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:29:06pm |
re: #668 TampaKnight
Sorry I missed that.
| 703 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:29:46pm |
re: #665 darthstar
Ooh...Haiku time!
You need to have bait
and not just another lure
to get the big ones.
Muskellunge strike lures
Colourful, long and noisy.
Bait is for small ones.
| 705 |
MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:30:34pm |
re: #692 The Sanity Inspector
Same pig, new lipstick. Here's another one: Participatory Economics.
It uses participatory decision making as an economic mechanism to guide the production, consumption and allocation of resources in a given society.
That's a long way to say "cluster-fuck".
| 706 |
RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:31:09pm |
Scott Brown brought in 1.3 Million in last 24hrs
[Link: www.boston.com...]
| 707 |
Randall Gross Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:31:41pm |
re: #692 The Sanity Inspector
Same pig, new lipstick. Here's another one: Participatory Economics.
Yes, all of these theories always ignore the fact that Capitalism is self organizing already, and if you ignore it's primal nature as an outgrowth of our social evolution then you will suffer. Ask the Soviets.
| 708 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:31:47pm |
re: #604 rwmofo
OK. I didn't say we should be the World Police. You did.
To recap:
Q: isnt world peace attainable?
My answer: With the US Military looking after things, yes.
So my point is we're the good guys and keep the peace by being strong, keeping an eye on things and in many cases not even firing one round. One example: The former Soviet Union.
Second example: I bet a lot of Kuwaitis are glad the US Military dropped in circa 1989.
#3: What did the Iraqis do with Saddam after we handed him over to them?
I clicked on your nic, BTW. Thanks for serving.
And my point is that right now, we have pretty much all of our bullets in the cylinder. If something were to break out that demanded an American response, we would have very few combat brigades ready and available. It's a simple numbers issue. We are stretched tight as a drum.
| 709 |
TampaKnight Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:31:51pm |
re: #706 RogueOne
Scott Brown brought in 1.3 Million in last 24hrs
[Link: www.boston.com...]
Go Brown Go.
| 710 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:32:03pm |
re: #699 prairiefire
Senator McCain should expect many more questions regarding this subject.
Hah...just watched the clip of Lauer/McCain..."I'm proud of the campaign we raged--we waged." Talk about your verbal slips.
| 711 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:32:32pm |
re: #705 MandyManners
It uses participatory decision making as an economic mechanism to guide the production, consumption and allocation of resources in a given society.
That's a long way to say "cluster-fuck".
That's why I don't take anyone who advocates the "Fair Tax" seriously. Some people are duped into believing that it would work but it's mostly just nuts.
| 712 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:32:33pm |
re: #701 Killgore Trout
Wow, it's looking pretty serious.
the situation in Haiti was dire long ago...rebuilding is just not the answer...half the population or more needs to emigrate away from there somehow
| 713 |
What, me worry? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:32:58pm |
re: #701 Killgore Trout
Wow, it's looking pretty serious.
Horrible.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
"It's going to be a real killer," he said. "Whenever something like this happens, you just hope for the best."
Most of Haiti's 9 million people are desperately poor, and after years of political instability the country has no real construction standards. In November 2008, following the collapse of a school in Petionville, the mayor of Port-au-Prince estimated about 60 percent of the buildings were shoddily built and unsafe in normal circumstances.
Tuesday's quake was felt in the Dominican Republic, which shares a border with Haiti on the island of Hispaniola, and some panicked residents in the capital of Santo Domingo fled from their shaking homes. But no major damage was reported there.
In eastern Cuba, houses shook but there were also no reports of significant damage.
| 714 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:33:12pm |
re: #703 Spare O'Lake
Muskellunge strike lures
Colourful, long and noisy.
Bait is for small ones.
Caught a muskie once
Motherfucker fought like hell
God I love that fish.
:)
| 715 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:34:02pm |
re: #707 Thanos
Yes, all of these theories always ignore the fact that Capitalism is self organizing already, and if you ignore it's primal nature as an outgrowth of our social evolution then you will suffer. Ask the Soviets.
The social plans are all different; the social planners are all alike.
| 716 |
Randall Gross Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:34:29pm |
re: #687 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I noticed that. An interesting lesson in political philosophy that I was previously unaware of.
I posted an address at Stanford that I think you will enjoy -- bookmark it and come back to it when you get some time.
| 717 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:35:42pm |
re: #716 Thanos
Thanks, bookmarked. I'll give it a watch tomorrow.
| 718 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:35:47pm |
re: #671 Dark_Falcon
We still should be able to airlift supplies and personnel in. It's not far away so C-130s would be able to make the trip.
Agreed. But it's going to be madhouse down there. If you look up "failed state" in the dictionary, you'll see Haiti as the poster child for the Western Hemisphere.
| 719 |
MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:36:23pm |
re: #711 Killgore Trout
That's why I don't take anyone who advocates the "Fair Tax" seriously. Some people are duped into believing that it would work but it's mostly just nuts.
I don't know enough about it to argue one way or the other.
| 720 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:36:27pm |
re: #714 darthstar
Caught a muskie once
Motherfucker fought like hell
God I love that fish.
:)
pound for pound give me a walleye any day...good on the rod, excellent from the pan
| 721 |
rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:36:32pm |
re: #708 austin_blue
And my point is that right now, we have pretty much all of our bullets in the cylinder. If something were to break out that demanded an American response, we would have very few combat brigades ready and available. It's a simple numbers issue. We are stretched tight as a drum.
I don't think you and I really have a debate here. Realistically I was just saluting the people in our military - past and present.
| 722 |
RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:36:54pm |
re: #711 Killgore Trout
That's why I don't take anyone who advocates the "Fair Tax" seriously. Some people are duped into believing that it would work but it's mostly just nuts.
I'm a little confused. Are you saying that a "fair tax" initiative is socialism? or did I miss a post somewhere?
| 723 |
SteveC Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:38:34pm |
Another Haiti Pic: (SFW)
[Link: twitpic.com...]
| 724 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:38:55pm |
re: #718 austin_blue
Agreed. But it's going to be madhouse down there. If you look up "failed state" in the dictionary, you'll see Haiti as the poster child for the Western Hemisphere.
Agreed, but we should still be able to organize a battalion to oversee aid deliveries. And we know how to fix damaged runways. For that matter, we could use mid-air refueling to send CH-53s and UH-60s to Haiti if needed.
| 725 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:39:41pm |
re: #722 RogueOne
I'm a little confused. Are you saying that a "fair tax" initiative is socialism? or did I miss a post somewhere?
It's not just part of a flawed philosophy, it's completely unrealistic. It simply won't work.
| 726 |
prairiefire Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:40:12pm |
re: #724 Dark_Falcon
Didn't Clinton oversee an operation like that early in his Presidential career?
| 727 |
What, me worry? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:40:57pm |
re: #723 SteveC
Another Haiti Pic: (SFW)
[Link: twitpic.com...]
It's gonna be a high death toll. Awful thing!
There's a lot of shanty towns built into the hillside like this. How do you think they are faring? So sad.
| 728 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:40:57pm |
re: #724 Dark_Falcon
Agreed, but we should still be able to organize a battalion to oversee aid deliveries. And we know how to fix damaged runways. For that matter, we could use mid-air refueling to send CH-53s and UH-60s to Haiti if needed.
I wonder how the Haitians feel about our open door policy concerning Mexican illegals...
| 729 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:41:10pm |
re: #721 rwmofo
I don't think you and I really have a debate here. Realistically I was just saluting the people in our military - past and present.
Agreed.
| 730 |
A Man for all Seasons Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:42:03pm |
re: #720 albusteve
pound for pound give me a walleye any day...good on the rod, excellent from the pan
Steve you stud..come springtime I'll be fishing at my Cabin at Lake Tomahawk, Wisc for Walleye with the boys..Come join us bro...
I don't have much time in the US this year..Come and and enjoy some fishing this year bro with us...
Be well
| 732 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:42:30pm |
re: #724 Dark_Falcon
Agreed, but we should still be able to organize a battalion to oversee aid deliveries. And we know how to fix damaged runways. For that matter, we could use mid-air refueling to send CH-53s and UH-60s to Haiti if needed.
We'll probably just break out the procedures we used during our Clinton-era grocery run to Haiti.
| 733 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:42:58pm |
Damn Israelis, causing earthquakes in poor countries again!!!
//
| 734 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:43:34pm |
re: #728 albusteve
I wonder how the Haitians feel about our open door policy concerning Mexican illegals...
I was wondering when I'd see an anti-immigration post in response to the Hatian disaster...I just didn't expect to see it here.
| 735 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:43:55pm |
re: #728 albusteve
I wonder how the Haitians feel about our open door policy concerning Mexican illegals...
I wonder how the Haitians feel about our real open-door policy regarding Cubans.
| 736 |
Unakite Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:44:14pm |
re: #607 windsagio
WHAT?!! Are you saying the government should butt into the rights of contractors to build however they damn well please!?!
What government??
| 738 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:44:39pm |
re: #726 prairiefire
Didn't Clinton oversee an operation like that early in his Presidential career?
Yes, after US pressure help force General Raoul Cédras out of power. That happened in 1994.
| 739 |
Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:44:48pm |
re: #711 Killgore Trout
That's why I don't take anyone who advocates the "Fair Tax" seriously. Some people are duped into believing that it would work but it's mostly just nuts.
All taxes are unfair.
| 740 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:44:56pm |
re: #685 YoungLibertarian92
Alright Walter, you've Shanghaied me. I was just playing Devil's Advocate. I thought most people on this site where left of center so I thought I'd learn about the Liberal's vision for a single-payer health care system in the United States. I personally do not think it could work because it directly contradicts Americans' individualistic, free market values. I deeply apologize if my actions where misconstrued as "trolling".
Me, left of center. Hell, Glenn Beck is my brother-in-law. I wrote the copy "with one hand tied behind my back," I sold the Reagan's the coffin when Ronnie died...
| 741 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:45:10pm |
re: #732 The Sanity Inspector
We'll probably just break out the procedures we used during our Clinton-era grocery run to Haiti.
Grocery runs will be the first priority if the transportation system is crashed. Port au Prince has a population of 1 million. If the port facilities are heavily damaged....
Have mercy on their souls.
| 742 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:45:14pm |
re: #735 SanFranciscoZionist
I wonder how the Haitians feel about our real open-door policy regarding Cubans.
The don't like it much:
[Link: www.google.com...]
| 743 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:45:15pm |
re: #735 SanFranciscoZionist
I wonder how the Haitians feel about our real open-door policy regarding Cubans.
It's not as if there are no illegal Haitian immigrants. A few years ago there was a news clip showing a boat of them arriving on a Florida beach, and then scattering.
| 744 |
What, me worry? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:45:26pm |
re: #735 SanFranciscoZionist
I wonder how the Haitians feel about our real open-door policy regarding Cubans.
Not happy, I can guarantee you.
[Link: www.npr.org...]
The U.S. is already mobilizing, Virginia, L.A. and Miami.
| 745 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:45:38pm |
re: #725 Killgore Trout
It's not just part of a flawed philosophy, it's completely unrealistic. It simply won't work.
why not?...our system now cannot pay for govt no matter how the laws are written...when you say a 'Fair Tax', what exactly does that mean....imo taxation is 'unfair' now....we need a simpler system that reduces the burden on the middle class...govt needs to cut back or it will consume us all
| 746 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:45:39pm |
re: #714 darthstar
Caught a muskie once
Motherfucker fought like hell
God I love that fish.
:)
Had one by the boat
Opened its big jaws and ripped
A hole in my net.
| 747 |
RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:45:40pm |
re: #725 Killgore Trout
It's not just part of a flawed philosophy, it's completely unrealistic. It simply won't work.
But what does that have to do with the theory of participatory economics which is basically communism with voting rights? I'm not sure if a flat tax or fair tax system would work but I wouldn't say they're inherently socialist.
| 748 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:46:15pm |
re: #730 HoosierHoops
Steve you stud..come springtime I'll be fishing at my Cabin at Lake Tomahawk, Wisc for Walleye with the boys..Come join us bro...
I don't have much time in the US this year..Come and and enjoy some fishing this year bro with us...
Be well
thanks...but too many trees!
| 749 |
prairiefire Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:46:31pm |
re: #738 Dark_Falcon
Thanks for the info. Faster fingers and younger mind. ; )
| 751 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:47:45pm |
| 752 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:48:13pm |
re: #724 Dark_Falcon
You are assuming that the Haitian government would welcome that kind of help. I don't know whether they would, or not.
| 753 |
SteveC Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:48:39pm |
NPR Twitter Page: new aftershocks: 20:55 ET 5.1 mag., 20:57 ET 5.5 mag.
| 754 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:48:55pm |
re: #734 darthstar
I was wondering when I'd see an anti-immigration post in response to the Hatian disaster...I just didn't expect to see it here.
it's a simple question and not anti anything....there is nothing implied...we seem to have sevearl standards according to our business/voting interests...do you have any input?
| 755 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:49:00pm |
re: #743 The Sanity Inspector
It's not as if there are no illegal Haitian immigrants. A few years ago there was a news clip showing a boat of them arriving on a Florida beach, and then scattering.
Yeah. Whereas the Cubans, if they can make it to land, don't need to scatter.
| 756 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:49:26pm |
re: #741 austin_blue
Grocery runs will be the first priority if the transportation system is crashed. Port au Prince has a population of 1 million. If the port facilities are heavily damaged...
Have mercy on their souls.
Moreover, while we'll send helos, there won't be enough for large-scale food distribution. We'll have to get the airport up again quickly and hope enough local vehicles are intact.
| 757 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:49:32pm |
Night all... tired... see you all after 4:00 pm Mountain time tomorrow afternoon when I get home from work.
| 758 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:49:57pm |
re: #735 SanFranciscoZionist
I wonder how the Haitians feel about our real open-door policy regarding Cubans.
:D Reminds me of something cute I witnessed many years ago. During my college leftoid days, I went to Washington D.C. for a protest march re El Salvador. There was a band playing. At one point the leftist front woman raged on about how the Reagan regime wouldn't let in Salvadoran war refugees, "and yet they let in thousands and thousands of people from the Cuban....island..." Her voice trailed off as she realized what she was saying. She shook it off though, and carried on haranguing.
| 759 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:50:01pm |
re: #757 Walter L. Newton
Night all... tired... see you all after 4:00 pm Mountain time tomorrow afternoon when I get home from work.
Night, Walter!
| 760 |
prairiefire Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:50:10pm |
re: #746 Spare O'Lake
They are tougher then Hell. Kind of like a fresh water Baracuda.
| 761 |
Bubblehead II Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:50:20pm |
Time to invoke the BH II rule. May you all have a good night and I will see you in the morning on the LNDT.
| 762 |
What, me worry? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:50:31pm |
re: #743 The Sanity Inspector
It's not as if there are no illegal Haitian immigrants. A few years ago there was a news clip showing a boat of them arriving on a Florida beach, and then scattering.
That happened near where I worked at the time. People were running up the causeway and jumping into people's cars.
There are not a lot of illegal Haitians here. As I said, they are anxious to become citizens. The law favors Cubans, however. They get priority. More Haitians are deported than other groups.
| 763 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:51:22pm |
re: #752 Floral Giraffe
You are assuming that the Haitian government would welcome that kind of help. I don't know whether they would, or not.
They will. Its either that or famine. In a pinch, we'd simply disregard the government's wishes and send the stuff anyway. The US tends not to listen to Haiti's government when they get the way if something we think needs doing.
| 764 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:51:33pm |
re: #750 RogueOne
I hate trees.
I go visit my kin in MI and the place is drowning in trees...they are like, everywhere!...I can't see!
| 765 |
SteveC Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:51:47pm |
Twitter: ¡Por Dios! El Palacio de Justicia en #Haiti quedó destruido...
(Palace of Justice destroyed? I don't speak or read Spanish but that is what it looks like)
| 766 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:52:25pm |
re: #754 albusteve
it's a simple question and not anti anything...there is nothing implied...we seem to have sevearl standards according to our business/voting interests...do you have any input?
The prevailing attitude in this country, at times, appears to be one of "We'll send our old shoes and bed-sheets, but don't bring the fuckers here!" I just don't think it's relevant at this point. We're talking about a country where people eat cookies made of mud (literally) because of the calcium content of the soil, and the fact that they have no food. Right now, our biggest concern should be how to prevent the deaths of hundreds from turning into the deaths of thousands.
| 768 |
A Man for all Seasons Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:52:49pm |
re: #750 RogueOne
I hate trees.
The cabin is on the lake...Fuck trees....Come summer it is for sale as I move out of the US...We have the best parties there.. I figure the 4th of July it is going to be fun and wild...I look forward to spending time with Lizards fishing on the lake before I move to Singapore...I love you guys...
| 769 |
rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:52:57pm |
| 770 |
RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:53:29pm |
re: #764 albusteve
I go visit my kin in MI and the place is drowning in trees...they are like, everywhere!...I can't see!
Exactly! I'm more of a rock person and trees just block out the mountains. The Smokies would be so much cooler if they were the Rockies East.
| 772 |
SteveC Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:53:44pm |
re: #767 prairiefire
Starts out "From Hell"?
From what I am reading that sounds like an appropriate description. :(
| 773 |
Gus Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:54:02pm |
| 774 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:54:17pm |
re: #763 Dark_Falcon
They will. Its either that or famine. In a pinch, we'd simply disregard the government's wishes and send the stuff anyway. The US tends not to listen to Haiti's government when they get the way if something we think needs doing.
I wish I owned an MRE company....cha ching!
| 777 |
rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:55:01pm |
re: #755 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. Whereas the Cubans, if they can make it to land, don't need to scatter.
Really. We need a new shortstop on our softball team.
| 779 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:55:26pm |
| 780 |
prairiefire Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:55:42pm |
re: #776 jaunte
Thanks, Jaunte. Dios would be God, Diety, etc..
| 781 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:56:01pm |
re: #770 RogueOne
Exactly! I'm more of a rock person and trees just block out the mountains. The Smokies would be so much cooler if they were the Rockies East.
BIG TREES ARE RIPPING YOU OFF!
| 782 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:56:07pm |
re: #745 albusteve
why not?...our system now cannot pay for govt no matter how the laws are written...when you say a 'Fair Tax', what exactly does that mean...imo taxation is 'unfair' now...we need a simpler system that reduces the burden on the middle class...govt needs to cut back or it will consume us all
The Fair Tax refers to a specific proposal which has its origins in the Church of Scientology and the Birch Society. It's unworkable and very unfair since it shifts the tax burden down to the middle and lower economic classes....
Unspinning the FairTax
It's one of those nutty ideas that unfortunately has a foothold among American conservatives. Many of the early Tea Parties last year had a lot of Fair Tax signs but that seems to have died down some.
| 783 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:56:12pm |
re: #773 Gus 802
Yikes. Just came across this image from Haiti.
[Link: twitpic.com...]
Unconfirmed of course.
China. Notice the flags.
| 784 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:56:27pm |
re: #764 albusteve
I go visit my kin in MI and the place is drowning in trees...they are like, everywhere!...I can't see!
Those fucking trees are a fucking plague, growing everywhere like fucking weeds! Everywhere! They're everywhere! Using up all the air and blocking the light! AAAAARRRGH!
| 785 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:56:38pm |
Well, off to bed, in hopes I can shake off this fever that sidelined me today. I grew a cold sore the size of a volleyball overnight :
| 786 |
rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:56:46pm |
re: #765 SteveC
Twitter: ¡Por Dios! El Palacio de Justicia en #Haiti quedó destruido...
(Palace of Justice destroyed? I don't speak or read Spanish but that is what it looks like)
[Link: www.freetranslation.com...]
| 787 |
Gus Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:57:07pm |
re: #783 austin_blue
China. Notice the flags.
OK, thanks. That's why I mentioned unconfirmed. Lots of BS pictures being thrown about.
| 788 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:57:14pm |
re: #777 rwmofo
Really. We need a new shortstop on our softball team.
So, stand on the beach and wave a big towel or something.
| 789 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:57:36pm |
re: #783 austin_blue
China. Notice the flags.
Good eye. There'll be plenty of prankster about tonight.
| 790 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:57:42pm |
re: #787 Gus 802
OK, thanks. That's why I mentioned unconfirmed. Lots of BS pictures being thrown about.
People will do anything to increase their hit-count. Assholes.
| 792 |
Gus Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:58:31pm |
re: #790 darthstar
People will do anything to increase their hit-count. Assholes.
Ain't that something? I don't understand the motivation behind that.
| 793 |
prairiefire Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:58:51pm |
re: #785 The Sanity Inspector
Feel better. They have prescription medicines for those thing, now. Also L-Lysine 1000mg over the counter supplements really help.
| 794 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:58:59pm |
| 796 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:59:26pm |
re: #784 Spare O'Lake
If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down?
We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.
--Deep Thoughts Jack Handy
| 797 |
prairiefire Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:59:44pm |
| 798 |
Gus Tue, Jan 12, 2010 6:59:44pm |
| 799 |
MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:00:10pm |
| 800 |
rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:00:25pm |
re: #796 Mad Al-Jaffee
If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down?
We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.--Deep Thoughts Jack Handy
Heh. Didn't see that coming.
| 801 |
RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:00:26pm |
Poor haiti, first an earthquake and then the chinese invasion. Been a bad day.
| 802 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:01:11pm |
re: #782 Killgore Trout
The Fair Tax refers to a specific proposal which has its origins in the Church of Scientology and the Birch Society. It's unworkable and very unfair since it shifts the tax burden down to the middle and lower economic classes...
Unspinning the FairTax
It's one of those nutty ideas that unfortunately has a foothold among American conservatives. Many of the early Tea Parties last year had a lot of Fair Tax signs but that seems to have died down some.
thanks for that...I've read a little bit about them, not much...I was going semantic, there is a huge difference between Fair Tax, flat tax, and fair taxation...I was overly simplistic
| 803 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:01:40pm |
Since we were talking about Twilight earlier today:
[Link: www.collegehumor.com...]
[Link: www.hulu.com...]
| 804 |
SteveC Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:01:42pm |
National Palace re-try: [Link: www.haitifeed.com...]
| 805 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:02:10pm |
re: #794 Killgore Trout
From the second link out of your list
The Fair Tax movement of course has absolutely nothing to do with the Church of Scientology, but the categorically false claim does make for a good smear if you want to discredit someone in the minds of casual readers
| 806 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:02:15pm |
re: #791 SteveC
I just saw the pics on Rachel Maddow. It made think of how demoralizing it would be to see the White House in such shape.
| 807 |
What, me worry? Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:02:17pm |
re: #784 Spare O'Lake
Those fucking trees are a fucking plague, growing everywhere like fucking weeds! Everywhere! They're everywhere! Using up all the air and blocking the light! AAARRRGH!
The Trees
| 808 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:02:20pm |
| 809 |
MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:02:33pm |
| 810 |
Gus Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:03:01pm |
| 811 |
MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:03:10pm |
Pretty hopeless nation if it cannot build even it's palace correctly.
| 812 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:03:36pm |
| 813 |
A Man for all Seasons Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:03:42pm |
re: #771 prairiefire
Aww, we are just a keyboard away.
When I left Napa, California..we sold our home we bought in Napa 20 years ago for 13.500 USD on Hemlock street for 440,000.. Thus the fishing cabin on Lake Tomahawk.. I never thought I'd be leaving the US and selling everything again...There are certain folks here I'd love to party with before I leave the country... I love LGF and some of you guys need to spend a day on the Lake with me before I go away.
| 814 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:03:55pm |
re: #808 Varek Raith
Wow...bad, real bad.
time to leave....we have plenty of room in NM for some Haitian folks
| 815 |
MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:04:00pm |
re: #810 Gus 802
Thanks, here's a before image:
[Link: static.panoramio.com...]
That brings it home even more clearly.
| 816 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:04:07pm |
You don't have to see too many pictures like this to understand how desperate things will get:
[Link: www.haitifeed.com...]
This is disaster porn. The fascination of the abomination. A desperately poor country dealing with starvation and chaos.
| 818 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:04:16pm |
re: #804 SteveC
National Palace re-try: [Link: www.haitifeed.com...]
That Building is a total loss. And I'd guess it was one of Haiti's better constructed buildings. Things are liable to be very bad. Everybody dig deep for an extra $20 for the Red Cross if you have it.
| 819 |
Gus Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:05:05pm |
re: #815 MandyManners
That brings it home even more clearly.
Yeah, I was curious. It's a damn shame. Looked like a rather beautiful building.
| 820 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:05:29pm |
re: #818 Dark_Falcon
That Building is a total loss. And I'd guess it was one of Haiti's better constructed buildings. Things are liable to be very bad. Everybody dig deep for an extra $20 for the Red Cross if you have it.
Exactly, if the palace is in such a bad shape... This is going to be really bad.
| 821 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:05:52pm |
re: #812 JasonA
I'll believe CBS over a Birch link.
I'll beleive Congressman John Linder, it's author, over CBS
[Link: linder.house.gov...]
| 822 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:06:16pm |
re: #810 Gus 802
Thanks, here's a before image:
[Link: static.panoramio.com...]
Makes it even sadder. It had a Neo-Classical, Quasi-White City look that I found very good.
| 823 |
MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:06:27pm |
re: #816 austin_blue
You don't have to see too many pictures like this to understand how desperate things will get:
[Link: www.haitifeed.com...]
This is disaster porn. The fascination of the abomination. A desperately poor country dealing with starvation and chaos.
Is the smoke dust from the collapsed buildings?
| 824 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:06:47pm |
Ah well ,, games over ,, I get to drive home!
Laterz
| 825 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:06:55pm |
re: #805 sattv4u2
From the second link out of your list
The Fair Tax movement of course has absolutely nothing to do with the Church of Scientology, but the categorically false claim does make for a good smear if you want to discredit someone in the minds of casual readers
Yes, that's what the Birch Society says on its web page. I wouldn't take their word for it.
| 826 |
abolitionist Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:07:25pm |
re: #773 Gus 802
Yikes. Just came across this image from Haiti.
[Link: twitpic.com...]
Unconfirmed of course.
At your link, allyouhello commented:
That's a picture from the quake in China in February 2009.
| 827 |
avanti Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:08:04pm |
Made the mistake of engaging in a AGW debate on a Studebaker forum and got shut down with this:
"Most know that God is larger than any of us, or any group of us, or any planet, or the universe. To think that God would create us in His image, and then the planet with His own hands as His masterpiece- then create the ingredients on which to base the greatest industrial advancements in the history of mankind, while making those very ingredients the tools of our destruction- makes no sense on any level. I say there's a reason He created fossil fuels; and it's not to destroy His most-loved creations. When one takes the chance to get to know Him they see this. I understand that anyone that denies God's existence will disagree, but that's up to the individual. "
How can you argue with the someone who truly thinks God gave us oil to burn and pollute the planet and that he'll make sure it does no harm ?. I thought for a moment about making the argument that God might want us to be good stewards of the planet, but just gave up.
| 828 |
SteveC Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:08:16pm |
CNN Twitterfeed says Haitian First Lady said "The Palace just crumbled."
| 829 |
Gus Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:08:17pm |
re: #826 abolitionist
At your link, allyouhello commented:
That's a picture from the quake in China in February 2009.
Thanks. Austin cleared that up before.
| 830 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:08:35pm |
re: #796 Mad Al-Jaffee
If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down?
We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.--Deep Thoughts Jack Handy
I never cut down live trees, even when they misbehave. Never have, never will. I love trees so much, it's crazy how much I love them.
| 831 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:08:52pm |
re: #826 abolitionist
At your link, allyouhello commented:
That's a picture from the quake in China in February 2009.
At least they had the decency to remove the pic. (At least, I no longer can see the pic.)
| 832 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:09:14pm |
re: #825 Killgore Trout
Yes, that's what the Birch Society says on its web page. I wouldn't take their word for it.
Yet you linked to it
| 833 |
rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:09:34pm |
| 834 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:09:46pm |
re: #826 abolitionist
At your link, allyouhello commented:
That's a picture from the quake in China in February 2009.
I just checked youtube and there are a lot of mislabeled videos being posted too.
| 835 |
RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:10:14pm |
Latest pictures posted to twitter in real-time (probably NSFW since it's EVERY pic posted to twitter)
[Link: pingwire.com...]
| 836 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:10:26pm |
re: #821 sattv4u2
I'll beleive Congressman John Linder, it's author, over CBS
[Link: linder.house.gov...]
You believe politicians?
| 837 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:10:27pm |
re: #827 avanti
Made the mistake of engaging in a AGW debate on a Studebaker forum and got shut down with this:
"Most know that God is larger than any of us, or any group of us, or any planet, or the universe. To think that God would create us in His image, and then the planet with His own hands as His masterpiece- then create the ingredients on which to base the greatest industrial advancements in the history of mankind, while making those very ingredients the tools of our destruction- makes no sense on any level. I say there's a reason He created fossil fuels; and it's not to destroy His most-loved creations. When one takes the chance to get to know Him they see this. I understand that anyone that denies God's existence will disagree, but that's up to the individual. "
How can you argue with the someone who truly thinks God gave us oil to burn and pollute the planet and that he'll make sure it does no harm ?. I thought for a moment about making the argument that God might want us to be good stewards of the planet, but just gave up.
Pose the question to Ludwig. He's good at providing troll hammers to deal with situations like that. The reply you got sound s like a Christian version of "Isshah Allah", the idea that things will simply be as God wishes them to be.
| 838 |
MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:10:52pm |
re: #828 SteveC
CNN Twitterfeed says Haitian First Lady said "The Palace just crumbled."
Is it the president's home or the seat of the government?
| 839 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:10:52pm |
re: #813 HoosierHoops
Winston can have a visit to So. Cal., if you can't take him.
| 840 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:10:56pm |
re: #833 rwmofo
I'll send you the bill for cleaning the monitor I just spewed my coffee on!
| 841 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:10:57pm |
re: #823 MandyManners
Is the smoke dust from the collapsed buildings?
And fires. Check this one:
[Link: www.haitifeed.com...]
Obviously shot from a well to do compound in the hills above PauP. The dust rising from the city indicates the level of collapse in the valley. The last line is chilling.
| 843 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:11:54pm |
re: #836 JasonA
You believe politicians?
Some, yes
Show me anything anywhere in Linders past that would make me not
| 844 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:12:00pm |
re: #833 rwmofo
You believe CBS? Ever heard of Dan Rather? Wait, I should stay on topic. What's this thread about anyway?
Read my comment more carefully.
| 845 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:12:05pm |
| 847 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:12:27pm |
re: #827 avanti
Not worth the energy to engage some people.
My flower people aren't rational, either!
| 848 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:12:33pm |
re: #832 sattv4u2
Yet you linked to it
Yes I linked to the google search to demonstrate how involved the Birch Society is in the Fair Tax movement. They have been from the beginning. Despite being supported by loons like the Birch Society and Ron Paul it's still a nutty and unworkable plan. It will never work in the real world. Ideas like this are infecting the right in this country. The sooner we can get rid of them the better.
| 849 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:12:44pm |
re: #842 SteveC
Coast Guard sending ships ASAP, prepping planes and choppers
God help the people there, and Thank You Mr President for the quick response
| 850 |
MandyManners Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:13:10pm |
re: #841 austin_blue
And fires. Check this one:
[Link: www.haitifeed.com...]
Obviously shot from a well to do compound in the hills above PauP. The dust rising from the city indicates the level of collapse in the valley. The last line is chilling.
Heart breaking.
| 851 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:13:23pm |
re: #827 avanti
To think that God would create us in His image, and then the planet with His own hands as His masterpiece- then create the ingredients on which to base the greatest industrial advancements in the history of mankind, while making those very ingredients the tools of our destruction- makes no sense on any level.
You could suggest to him that this might be a test...
| 852 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:14:13pm |
re: #851 jaunte
You could suggest to him that this might be a test...
Or try screwing with him and convince him fossil fuels are the debil's work...
| 855 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:14:49pm |
re: #848 Killgore Trout
Yes I linked to the google search to demonstrate how involved the Birch Society is in the Fair Tax movement. They have been from the beginning. Despite being supported by loons like the Birch Society and Ron Paul it's still a nutty and unworkable plan. It will never work in the real world. Ideas like this are infecting the right in this country. The sooner we can get rid of them the better.
I guess Elvis is involved too
I got 2,490 Google hits with Elvis Presley Fairtax
[Link: www.google.com...]
| 856 |
rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:15:06pm |
re: #840 sattv4u2
I'll send you the bill for cleaning the monitor I just spewed my coffee on!
Heh. He threw a slow hanging curve. I had to swing for the fence.
| 857 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:15:40pm |
re: #856 rwmofo
Heh. He threw a slow hanging curve. I had to swing for the fence.
Make sure you touch em all!
And High Five the third base coach!
| 858 |
rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:15:53pm |
| 859 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:16:17pm |
re: #852 JasonA
Or try screwing with him and convince him fossil fuels are the debil's work...
Reminds me of this:
A famous Venezuelan, Juan Pablo Perez Alfonzo, referred to oil as the devil’s excrement. For countries, easy wealth appears indeed to be the sure path to failure. Venezuela might be a clear example of that.[Link: devilsexcrement.com...]
| 860 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:16:34pm |
re: #856 rwmofo
Heh. He threw a slow hanging curve. I had to swing for the fence.
Um no. Not even close. I said I trusted CBS more than the Birch Society. There was no slow-hanging curve ball. Your not half as quick-witted as you think.
| 861 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:16:54pm |
re: #850 MandyManners
Heart breaking.
Yes. It is. My heart cries out for them. Time to put my checkbook where my mouth is. Tomorrow. We claim we are the most generous people on earth. Time to stand up, or a bunch of these folks will literally starve to death or be slaughtered over food wars in the next two weeks.
| 862 |
RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:17:21pm |
re: #854 prairiefire
One of the feeds looks like all they've done is take pics of corpses. some people are just wrong.
| 863 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:17:30pm |
And on that note ,,,, the long drive home awaits
| 864 |
rwmofo Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:19:07pm |
re: #860 JasonA
Um no. Not even close. I said I trusted CBS more than the Birch Society. There was no slow-hanging curve ball. Your not half as quick-witted as you think.
Now it's time for you to read my comment and soak in the irony. I didn't mention the Birch Society. Plus I'd like to think you'd appreciate the harmless jocularity I interleaved into my observation.
| 865 |
A Man for all Seasons Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:19:41pm |
| 866 |
SteveC Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:21:08pm |
NPR following Twitterer who seems to be on scene - says his batteries are going dry. People were in streets, praying and singing, getting quiet. Power grid down, no sirens.
| 867 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:22:05pm |
re: #864 rwmofo
Perhaps. But I've seen people take heat from others on this board for making jokes by taking someone else's comments out of context. I'm pretty sure I'm one of them, in fact...
| 868 |
Randall Gross Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:25:35pm |
re: #811 MandyManners
Pretty hopeless nation if it cannot build even it's palace correctly.
The palace was built by Imperialist French during the Napoleonic wars, it's not built that much different than our capital building except it doesn't have a rotunda.
| 869 |
SteveC Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:25:45pm |
Twitter: La cathédrale de Port-au-Prince serait effondrée
Any ideas?
| 870 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:27:13pm |
re: #861 austin_blue
Yes. It is. My heart cries out for them. Time to put my checkbook where my mouth is. Tomorrow. We claim we are the most generous people on earth. Time to stand up, or a bunch of these folks will literally starve to death or be slaughtered over food wars in the next two weeks.
We'll get the job done, austin. This is the sort of thing where even Michelle Bachmann and Barack Obama will be on similar wavelengths. This is something America is good at. I think we'll make a difference.
| 871 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:28:15pm |
re: #869 SteveC
Twitter: La cathédrale de Port-au-Prince serait effondrée
Any ideas?
Cathedral of Port au Prince collapsed.
I think.
| 873 |
RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:29:02pm |
[Link: twitpic.com...]
[Link: twitpic.com...]
| 874 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:29:05pm |
re: #869 SteveC
It may be speculative. "The cathedral of Port-au-Prince would be ploughed up."
| 875 |
YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:30:06pm |
re: #740 Walter L. Newton
lol I didn't think you where left of center but I thought most LGF readers where.
| 876 |
RogueOne Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:30:38pm |
re: #873 RogueOne
That first twitter link has a lot of photo's, some are pretty rough and probably shouldn't be viewed by everyone.
| 877 |
SteveC Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:30:48pm |
Twitter: "My prayers seriously go to Haiti.. Global Warming is seriously no joke!"
HUH? *scratches head*
| 878 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:32:28pm |
re: #877 SteveC
Twitter: "My prayers seriously go to Haiti.. Global Warming is seriously no joke!"
HUH? *scratches head*
Huh, indeed. *Also scratches head*
Didn't someone at CNN speculate the AGW may have caused the December 26, 2004 Indonesian quake?
| 879 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:32:50pm |
Shake data:
17: Port-au-Prince, Haiti (Intensity VII, 3 responses) Agency: USGS (Did You Feel It?)
Lat: 18.5400 Lon: -72.3400 Distance: 23.9 km from epicenter
Station Comp Max Vel (cm/s) Max Acc (%g) PSA: 0.3 sec (%g) 1.0 sec (%g)
Intensity Questionnaire 30.5000 32.4000
10 inches per second shake movement at .3 gravities. Violent, indeed.
| 880 |
SteveC Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:36:42pm |
Twitter: Last aftershock was at 21:54 ET 4.6 magnitude.
I don't know geology very well, but that seems to be a lot of high magnitude aftershocks in a short amount of time. I hope it doesn't trigger another big shake.
| 881 |
Randall Gross Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:40:38pm |
re: #878 Varek Raith
Huh, indeed. *Also scratches head*
Didn't someone at CNN speculate the AGW may have caused the December 26, 2004 Indonesian quake?
As Ice burdens go away the earth beneath them rebounds. The bottoms of the great lakes are rising for instance - rebounding from the displaced weight of the huge ice sheets that gouged them out. It's a stretch at this point, but not impossible that displacing masses of ice off the land and into the seas will eventually increase pressures on Deep Ocean ridges.
| 882 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:40:50pm |
re: #880 SteveC
Twitter: Last aftershock was at 21:54 ET 4.6 magnitude.
I don't know geology very well, but that seems to be a lot of high magnitude aftershocks in a short amount of time. I hope it doesn't trigger another big shake.
Keep in mind a 4.6 is about one three hundredth of the power of 7.0. Log scale.
| 883 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:41:11pm |
re: #877 SteveC
Twitter: "My prayers seriously go to Haiti.. Global Warming is seriously no joke!"
HUH? *scratches head*
Palin has something to do with this, I'm sure
| 886 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:44:44pm |
re: #842 SteveC
Coast Guard sending ships ASAP, prepping planes and choppers
The US Coast Guard is already familiar with Haiti, they have paroled its coast for years to keep the Haitians from leaving their little hell on earth. Now they bring aid? Hypocrisy.
| 887 |
Randall Gross Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:45:15pm |
re: #885 prairiefire
Geez, great...
If Greenland starts seriously melting next century it's going to displace a lot of weight, the earth's crust will compensate
| 888 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:46:10pm |
re: #886 Bagua
The US Coast Guard is already familiar with Haiti, they have paroled its coast for years to keep the Haitians from leaving their little hell on earth. Now they bring aid? Hypocrisy.
Not really. We're willing to provide aid, but Americans don't want large-scale Haitian immigration. I know I don't.
| 889 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:48:32pm |
re: #728 albusteve
I wonder how the Haitians feel about our open door policy concerning Mexican illegals...
They are used to being treated a lepers by the US and European countries. They were born knowing they are not welcome in the Western world as a free, Black ruled nation.
| 890 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:51:11pm |
re: #889 Bagua
They are used to being treated a lepers by the US and European countries. They were born knowing they are not welcome in the Western world as a free, Black ruled nation.
something tells me they would be more welcome in the US if we had more cane sugar on line, eh?
| 891 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:52:06pm |
re: #890 albusteve
something tells me they would be more welcome in the US if we had more cane sugar on line, eh?
What do you mean?
| 892 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:55:14pm |
re: #891 Dark_Falcon
What do you mean?
you know exactly what I mean...if the Haitians were useful to us to make a buck they'd be welcome here
| 893 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:58:44pm |
re: #892 albusteve
you know exactly what I mean...if the Haitians were useful to us to make a buck they'd be welcome here
That's true.
| 894 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 12, 2010 8:00:51pm |
re: #888 Dark_Falcon
Not really. We're willing to provide aid, but Americans don't want large-scale Haitian immigration. I know I don't.
Yes really. Study their history, America has been their oppressor, exploiter and imprisoner, America has an unpaid debt in Haiti. Period.
If America was not largely and directly responsible for the Haitians suffering then I would agree with you. As it is, America has an historic obligation.
| 895 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 12, 2010 8:01:14pm |
re: #892 albusteve
you know exactly what I mean...if the Haitians were useful to us to make a buck they'd be welcome here
And at least more cane sugar would get the corn syrup out of soda. Make sure to pick up some Pepsi or Mountain Dew Throwback if you get the chance.
| 896 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 12, 2010 8:02:41pm |
re: #894 Bagua
Yes really. Study their history, America has been their oppressor, exploiter and imprisoner, America has an unpaid debt in Haiti. Period.
If America was not largely and directly responsible for the Haitians suffering then I would agree with you. As it is, America has an historic obligation.
You've got a point, but it won't really matter. It's an debt America will default on.
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