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The Massachusetts election is going down to the wire. Here’s a thread to discuss it.
(I’m typing this on my iPhone in an airport, so excuse the terseness.)
369 comments
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PowerFlip Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:45:22pm |
It will be interesting to see if Marcia can pull this out.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:45:25pm |
John Stewart "The Republicans are playing chess and the Democrats are in the nurses office because they glued their balls to their leg again."
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:45:50pm |
If this comes within a couple points, we will need more than a 24 hour rule to sort the bull from the rest.
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American-African Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:45:58pm |
re: #1 brookly red
...but look at where the DOW is in comparison to this time last year. This is going to be quite the nail biter, I think.
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deeezle Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:46:03pm |
I am still trying to figure out how a Democrat could possibly lose Teddy Kennedy's old seat in Massachusetts.
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Bob Dillon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:47:10pm |
This has potential to be a very looooong thread.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:47:40pm |
re: #1 brookly red
the Dow closed up... so I think Brown.
You might want to rethink that. The last big jump in healthcare stocks was after Dems passed their reform package.
Health insurers jump after key Senate vote on health care reform; passage expected this week
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Lawrior Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:47:54pm |
re: #5 ryannon
Freddy: Hey! What the hell is this?
Waiter: [French accent] It's a bowl of chowder, sir. ["shaudere"]
Freddy: Wait a minute, come here. What did you call it? Say it loud
enough so everyone can hear. Cone on, say it...
Waiter: Ahem. Chowder. ["shaudere"]
Freddy: [raucous laughter] Shau-dere? Shau-dere? It's "chowder".
["chowdah"] Say it right!
Waiter: [pause] Chowder. ["shaudear"]
Freddy: [laugher] Come back here! I'm not through demeaning you.
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ryannon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:47:56pm |
re: #7 deeezle
I am still trying to figure out how a Democrat could possibly lose Teddy Kennedy's old seat in Massachusetts.
To paraphrase Brown: "It's not Teddy Kennedy's seat. It belongs to the people."
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:48:04pm |
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:48:10pm |
re: #6 American-African
...but look at where the DOW is in comparison to this time last year. This is going to be quite the nail biter, I think.
yes it is,
health care stocks are up... do they know something?
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Lawrior Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:48:32pm |
re: #12 cliffster
I thought that was standard for the whole of the interwebs.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:49:40pm |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
You might want to rethink that. The last big jump in healthcare stocks was after Dems passed their reform package.
Health insurers jump after key Senate vote on health care reform; passage expected this week
I did take that into consideration.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:49:59pm |
re: #13 brookly red
health care stocks are up... do they know something?
Possibly, (see #9) but I doubt it. The election is way too close to call and I don't think anyone is seriously betting one way or the other.
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Ben Hur Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:50:19pm |
re: #7 deeezle
I am still trying to figure out how a Democrat could possibly lose Teddy Kennedy's old seat in Massachusetts.
Kennedy Fatigue?
Similar to Clinton Fatigue.
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torrentprime Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:50:50pm |
As the post says, anecdotal only, but a few data points...
MA-Sen: Reports of High Turnout
Attention conservatives: link goes to DailyKos. ;)
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:51:12pm |
re: #16 brookly red
I did take that into consideration.
I'm pretty sure that there are other factors at work in the market today. I don't buy that headline.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:51:23pm |
re: #1 brookly red
My bank stocks are up. My large caps are holding. My solars are down. Seems like any other day to me. Time to sell off the banks and buy more solar!
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jdog29 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:51:40pm |
re: #7 deeezle
I am still trying to figure out how a Democrat could possibly lose Teddy Kennedy's old seat in Massachusetts.
Perfect Storm... and I do mean perfect.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:52:07pm |
re: #7 deeezle
I am still trying to figure out how a Democrat could possibly lose Teddy Kennedy's old seat in Massachusetts.
Hubris.
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:52:51pm |
re: #18 Ben Hur
Kennedy Fatigue?
Similar to Clinton Fatigue.
I've been trying for years how Kennedy held the seat for so long through so much shit.
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Bob Dillon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:52:52pm |
re: #7 deeezle
I am still trying to figure out how a Democrat could possibly lose Teddy Kennedy's old seat in Massachusetts.
Like Brown stated ... it's not the Kennedy Seat, it's the peoples seat. Then added to the backroom deals, crap sandwiches, arrogance, and all the rest ... the Dem candidates worked hard on blaming everyone else for our problems. Looks like some folks finally woke up. Then there is always stupidity.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:52:59pm |
Picked up Fallout 3 last night. Been fun so far.
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Ben Hur Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:53:13pm |
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Lawrior Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:54:04pm |
re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I spent many happy hours last summer roaming the wasteland. I was very happy when I finished it, thus allowing me to return to a more normal life.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:55:19pm |
re: #20 Killgore Trout
I'm pretty sure that there are other factors at work in the market today. I don't buy that headline.
we shall see...
shout out to Cape Codah watchin the polls!
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Ben Hur Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:55:27pm |
re: #25 Bobibutu
Like Brown stated ... it's not the Kennedy Seat, it's the peoples seat. Then added to the backroom deals, crap sandwiches, arrogance, and all the rest ... the Dem candidates worked hard on blaming everyone else for our problems. Looks like some folks finally woke up. Then there is always stupidity.
No.
It IS the Kennedy seat.
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Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:55:29pm |
re: #758 lawhawk
Jon Stewart skewers the Democrats over their inability to push through an agenda with a filibuster proof majority, when Bush was able to pass an agenda with far fewer votes at his disposal.
[Link: www.thedailyshow.com...]
Worth reposting - a must watch!
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webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:55:54pm |
re: #7 deeezle
I am still trying to figure out how a Democrat could possibly lose Teddy Kennedy's old seat in Massachusetts.
By assuming the election was in the bag and not making much of an effort to get out among the voters.
Plus there is the truck problem...
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deeezle Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:56:07pm |
Should there be more/less discussion about Scott Brown's nude photos? :) I kid, I kid.
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Charpete67 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:56:20pm |
I don't think Brown will win...it's simply not possible in that state...that being said, the dems should be nervous if it's that close. If I'm not mistaken, MA is the most heavily democratic state in terms of party registration d's vs r's.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:56:44pm |
re: #28 Lawrior
I spent many happy hours last summer roaming the wasteland. I was very happy when I finished it, thus allowing me to return to a more normal life.
Just picked it up thru Steam, got the game of the year edition so roaming around Megaton right now, capping raiders.
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:56:51pm |
re: #20 Killgore Trout
I'm pretty sure that there are other factors at work in the market today. I don't buy that headline.
I saw that headline. It sounds like another one of Glenn Beck's half-baked theories freshly delivered from the John Birch Society and Alex Jones' radio station.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:57:04pm |
re: #4 Rightwingconspirator
If this comes within a couple points, we will need more than a 24 hour rule to sort the bull from the rest.
I predict no voter fraud in this race & vote count. The Republicans have usually lost by too much to even bother to try, and the Democrats have won so many times they're out of practice.
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webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:57:23pm |
re: #33 deeezle
Should there be more/less discussion about Scott Brown's nude photos? :) I kid, I kid.
Dude was hot...still pretty good looking if you like that sort.
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PowerFlip Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:57:26pm |
re: #27 Ben Hur
Interesting, the Brady Bunch first aired in 1969, the same year as Ted's defining moment
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Ben Hur Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:57:37pm |
re: #36 YoungLibertarian92
I saw that headline. It sounds like another one of Glenn Beck's half-baked theories freshly delivered from the John Birch Society and Alex Jones' radio station.
Nice.
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Ben Hur Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:58:14pm |
re: #39 PowerFlip
Interesting, the Brady Bunch first aired in 1969, the same year as Ted's defining moment
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Kennedy: Chappaquiddick.
Clinton: Chappaqua.
CAN'T YOU SEE!!!!!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:58:26pm |
re: #36 YoungLibertarian92
Nah, probably just lazy financial journalists looking to rack up clicks by using a politically charged headline. It works, all the wingnut blogs are linking to it.
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SixDegrees Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:58:43pm |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
You might want to rethink that. The last big jump in healthcare stocks was after Dems passed their reform package.
Health insurers jump after key Senate vote on health care reform; passage expected this week
The market rewards one thing: certainty. Whether it's the status quo, or a new deal finally done, the market likes things finished and predictable. It abhors uncertainty and the unknown.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:58:43pm |
re: #11 ryannon
To paraphrase Brown: "It's not Teddy Kennedy's seat. It belongs to the people."
And the people are Dems!
Coakley will be the winner. I GARR-AN-TEEE!!!
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:59:24pm |
re: #40 Ben Hur
I just watched Jones' "Obama Deception" and it was like when South Park was describing Scientology. I kept asking myself "Is he f**king serious?"
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:59:33pm |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
You might want to rethink that. The last big jump in healthcare stocks was after Dems passed their reform package.
Health insurers jump after key Senate vote on health care reform; passage expected this week
Similar gains were reported today. If you look at the S&P 500 HEALTH CARE IDX you can see it's been on an upward trend since March of 2009.
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Bob Dillon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:00:10pm |
[Link: www.boston.com...]
Town-by-town results
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Ben Hur Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:00:16pm |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
Nah, probably just lazy financial journalists looking to rack up clicks by using a politically charged headline. It works, all the wingnut blogs are linking to it.
Now Bloomberg.
Wow.
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EB71 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:00:18pm |
re: #34 Charpete67
Yes, but Independents outnumber both Ds and Rs in Massachusetts, and Independents will decide this special election. Right now, it is too close to call, but even that is a "moral" victory for the Republicans in a heavily Democratic state such as Massachusetts.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:00:26pm |
re: #37 The Sanity Inspector
Never mind fraud all it takes is a debate about ballot layout and hanging chads. All it takes is stupid.
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Ben Hur Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:01:08pm |
re: #45 YoungLibertarian92
I just watched Jones' "Obama Deception" and it was like when South Park was describing Scientology. I kept asking myself "Is he f**king serious?"
Alex Jones, habibi.
I'd be asking the same thing.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:01:17pm |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:01:28pm |
re: #43 SixDegrees
The market rewards one thing: certainty. Whether it's the status quo, or a new deal finally done, the market likes things finished and predictable. It abhors uncertainty and the unknown.
Very good point.
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:01:34pm |
The hamsters must be tired. The server is running really slow.
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Lawrior Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:01:38pm |
re: #45 YoungLibertarian92
Alex Jones is a nut. He is on the radio from 4-6pm on Sundays, and I usually listen for comedic value until my head hurts too much.
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Ben Hur Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:02:44pm |
re: #54 YoungLibertarian92
The hamsters must be tired. The server is running really slow.
You killed them!
"Alex Jones" is effing kryptonite to hamsters.
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SixDegrees Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:03:23pm |
re: #34 Charpete67
I don't think Brown will win...it's simply not possible in that state...that being said, the dems should be nervous if it's that close. If I'm not mistaken, MA is the most heavily democratic state in terms of party registration d's vs r's.
From downstairs: there are those who would say the near-even polling represents a Democratic loss, even if Coakley wins in the end. The Democrats never should have had to expend the resources they have on this seat; it should have been a slam dunk. Up until a few weeks ago, it was, with Coakley enjoying a double-digit lead. She's run a terrible, uninspired and gaffe-filled campaign, though, and may yet manage to seize defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Capitalist Tool Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:03:38pm |
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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:04:56pm |
I don't know much about either candidate. Coakley seems to have screwed up on the Amirault thing, and Brown seems to have screwed up here:
Lawmaker Reads Crude Web Posts at School[...]
Sen. Scott Brown was discussing his stance on gay marriage during an assembly at King Philip Regional High School on Thursday when he decided to share the comments written about him and his family posted on a facebook.com page dedicated to a pro-gay rights history teacher at the school.
Brown, a Republican from Wrentham, opposes gay marriage in the only state that allows it.
"I hate scott brown" and "scott brown ascends from the underworld," were two of the tamer comments on the site. Others contained profanities.
Some of the comments were aimed at Brown's daughter, Ayla Brown, a former "American Idol" finalist.
He read the comments verbatim, even naming the students who wrote them in some cases, witnesses said.
[...]
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:05:07pm |
re: #48 Ben Hur
Everything is up today. I don't think the Mass. election is the reason IBM had a good day today. See #46. today was just an extension of a trend that has been in place since last March as the economy has been recovering.
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Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:06:01pm |
re: #7 deeezle
I am still trying to figure out how a Democrat could possibly lose Teddy Kennedy's old seat in Massachusetts.
Ask Jon Stewart.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:06:14pm |
I thought this race would bring Eric Lindholm out of link-mode and into some on-the-spot citizen journalism, but not so far.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:06:31pm |
Nothing to do with Mass. Election.....
Airlines gain; international passenger growth returns
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:07:08pm |
re: #63 The Sanity Inspector
I thought this race would bring Eric Lindholm out of link-mode and into some on-the-spot citizen journalism, but not so far.
I'm wrong; I didn't scroll down far enough.
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simoom Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:07:37pm |
re: #25 Bobibutu
Like Brown stated ... it's not the Kennedy Seat, it's the peoples seat.
Gergen really cued that one for him. Up until that point in the debate Coakley had yet to give him the opening for his prepared media-candy, sound-byte.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:08:12pm |
re: #64 Killgore Trout
Nothing to do with Mass. Election...
Airlines gain; international passenger growth returns
Monday, December 21, 2009
Stocks rally as health care reform bill moves forward!
Doh!
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Lawrior Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:08:51pm |
re: #64 Killgore Trout
And American will be raising their checked-bag fees. I would be concerned, but I don't fly them now that Southwest flies directly to Laguardia.
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torrentprime Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:09:04pm |
re: #57 SixDegrees
From downstairs: there are those who would say the near-even polling represents a Democratic loss, even if Coakley wins in the end.
And from a "how to run campaigns" standpoint, I get it, completely, but this also seems perilously close to Everything Is Good News for Republicans, ie, the Owen victory in NY-23 was a victory despite the GOP loss, and a Coakley win is really a loss for the Ds because, you know, it was close.
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Ericus58 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:09:12pm |
re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Just picked it up thru Steam, got the game of the year edition so roaming around Megaton right now, capping raiders.
Steam is your friend....
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Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:09:19pm |
re: #38 webevintage
Dude was hot...still pretty good looking if you like that sort.
I think I could be persuaded to like that sort.
Silvergirl, fanning herself
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:09:42pm |
A study in perspective. Put Kos in one window, Strata Sphere in the other. Are they even talking about the same election?! Sorry I'm not linking to either direct.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:10:47pm |
re: #70 Ericus58
Steam is your friend...
Steam is evil!!! I was only getting maybe 1 or 2 games a year, then I started using Steam, I've gotten 3 in the last 4 months.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:10:57pm |
re: #71 Silvergirl
You can probably get the old issue of Cosmo at Amazon, maybe even through the LGF store. ;)
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Charpete67 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:11:44pm |
re: #69 torrentprime
And from a "how to run campaigns" standpoint, I get it, completely, but this also seems perilously close to Everything Is Good News for Republicans, ie, the Owen victory in NY-23 was a victory despite the GOP loss, and a Coakley win is really a loss for the Ds because, you know, it was close.
NY23 was a loss for republicans because it was a republican seat.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:12:14pm |
re: #72 Rightwingconspirator
A study in perspective. Put Kos in one window, Strata Sphere in the other. Are they even talking about the same election?! Sorry I'm not linking to either direct.
AJ Strata is a lizardoid, though. He was in here just earlier today, in fact.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:12:30pm |
re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Just picked it up thru Steam, got the game of the year edition so roaming around Megaton right now, capping raiders.
Hubby says, "Don't pass up the sniper rifle. It's your best weap." He's finished the game twice and keeps going back to do the side quests.
Not a fan of the Steam. Wants to take over my system. But if you order a mailed copy, you get a lunchbox AND a Pip Boy bobblehead!
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SixDegrees Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:13:05pm |
re: #69 torrentprime
And from a "how to run campaigns" standpoint, I get it, completely, but this also seems perilously close to Everything Is Good News for Republicans, ie, the Owen victory in NY-23 was a victory despite the GOP loss, and a Coakley win is really a loss for the Ds because, you know, it was close.
I don't read it that way. To me, it indicates that Coakley managed to lose - not that the Republicans pulled off a win or a near-win. The fact, though, is that any Democrat above room temperature should have been able to walk into this seat without breaking a sweat.
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Ericus58 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:13:18pm |
re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Steam is evil!!! I was only getting maybe 1 or 2 games a year, then I started using Steam, I've gotten 3 in the last 4 months.
"Just 'click' the 'buy it now' button and let the download begin...."
Unless you have a Mac ;)
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simoom Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:13:36pm |
re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Steam is evil!!! I was only getting maybe 1 or 2 games a year, then I started using Steam, I've gotten 3 in the last 4 months.
I must have spent 3x as much on the Holiday Sale than I intended to. All those $1.99 to $4.99 daily deals were hard to pass up.
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Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:13:38pm |
re: #47 Bobibutu
[Link: www.boston.com...]
Town-by-town results
What is this 0% stuff? What a bunch of apathetic losers! Heh. Hot buttered popcorn on tonight's menu.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:13:47pm |
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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:14:26pm |
re: #75 Ojoe
May the government in general stymie itself.
"That government is best which stymies most."
--anonymous
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generalsparky Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:14:41pm |
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:14:46pm |
What a hack Stephanopoulos is.
Election is the 'Upset of the Century'
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Kragar Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:15:02pm |
re: #78 marjoriemoon
Hubby says, "Don't pass up the sniper rifle. It's your best weap." He's finished the game twice and keeps going back to do the side quests.
Not a fan of the Steam. Wants to take over my system. But if you order a mailed copy, you get a lunchbox AND a Pip Boy bobblehead!
Took my Tag Skills as small arms, stealth and melee weapons. I took out the whole crew in the super market with only one getting a chance to return fire.
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Lawrior Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:16:54pm |
re: #88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I went with Big Guns to start. It's harder starting out, but once you start finding those big guns, you are an unholy terror delivering the dreaded scrolls throughout the Wastelands.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:17:26pm |
re: #87 YoungLibertarian92
What a hack Stephanopoulos is.
Election is the 'Upset of the Century'
Stephanopoulos is a bit of a hack...
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jvic Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:18:03pm |
My Central MA rural town has maybe 4000 people. At 3:00, 1100 people had voted.
The holbytlan emerge from their humble burrows and shake the towers and councils of the Great.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:18:17pm |
Polls close at 8:00pm EST and there are no exit polls.
Can one ferret out the results?
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torrentprime Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:18:49pm |
re: #80 SixDegrees
I don't read it that way. To me, it indicates that Coakley managed to lose - not that the Republicans pulled off a win or a near-win. The fact, though, is that any Democrat above room temperature should have been able to walk into this seat without breaking a sweat.
And that's my point. If Coakley pulls it out, even if it's close or a landslide or whatever - ie, your "Republican near-win" scenario above - she (and the Dems) still, you know, won. Moral victories don't get legislation passed.
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Ericus58 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:18:52pm |
Will return later with popcorn made and a large tumbler filled with happiness.
Cheers all.
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shutdown Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:19:54pm |
re: #92 Spare O'Lake
Polls close at 8:00pm EST and there are no exit polls.
Can one ferret out the results?
[Link: www.fivethirtyeight.com...]
Not so much ferreting as interesting (if geeky) analysis.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:20:31pm |
re: #89 Lawrior
I went with Big Guns to start. It's harder starting out, but once you start finding those big guns, you are an unholy terror delivering the dreaded scrolls throughout the Wastelands.
I always stuck with maxing out small arms in 1 and 2, then put some skills into either energy or big guns later. I need to put some more skills into lockpicking next.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:20:33pm |
re: #94 Ericus58
Will return later with popcorn made and a large tumbler filled with happiness.
Cheers all.
Sounds like a plan.
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SixDegrees Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:20:42pm |
re: #92 Spare O'Lake
Polls close at 8:00pm EST and there are no exit polls.
Can one ferret out the results?
Standard media practice is not to announce any results until after the polls have closed.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:21:29pm |
re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Picked up Fallout 3 last night. Been fun so far.
a warning: getting the shishkebab makes the game WAY easier.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:21:33pm |
re: #93 torrentprime
And that's my point. If Coakley pulls it out, even if it's close or a landslide or whatever - ie, your "Republican near-win" scenario above - she (and the Dems) still, you know, won. Moral victories don't get legislation passed.
true,but moral victories can get legislation blocked.
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Taqyia2Me Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:21:54pm |
re: #91 jvic
My Central MA rural town has maybe 4000 people. At 3:00, 1100 people had voted.
The holbytlan emerge from their humble burrows and shake the towers and councils of the Great.
1100 out of 4000 population. Man, that's getting close to the edge of those eligible to vote!
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:22:02pm |
re: #88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Took my Tag Skills as small arms, stealth and melee weapons. I took out the whole crew in the super market with only one getting a chance to return fire.
hehe It's a good shooter/RPG mix I think. I have to try it but I get vertigo with shooter games (sucks for me eh?) so I haven't been brave enough to venture.
The only problem with direct d/l is if you have a problem installing or if you want to load it on another machine (multiple machines in the house, or you buy a new one). EA is notorious for limiting the number of copies you can use/install and they do NOT like you to uninstall their games. I've had a lot of trouble with that and have had to manually do it through the registry.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:22:10pm |
ZOMG!11 Net Neutrality is a government takeover of the interwebz!11!
/ZOMG
//Lol@Beck.
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Charpete67 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:22:37pm |
I just heard voter turnout in the city of Boston is projected at 56%...I don't know who that would help.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:22:42pm |
The writing is on the wall with this close election in Mass.
Come tonight or come November, the short lived Obama
Hyper-Partisan Agenda™ is doomed to Lame Duck status.
The Obama Agenda is a busted flush, he should have tried bi-partisanship as he promised during the campaign.
Obama lied, his super-majority died.
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Soap_Man Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:22:52pm |
re: #98 SixDegrees
Standard media practice is not to announce any results until after the polls have closed.
I've always liked that. There is nothing stopping them from releasing exit polls early, but they don't because they are worried it will effect voting turnout if the polls are still open.
But with all the "we have to be first no matter what" bullshit, I wonder how long that will last.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:23:02pm |
re: #99 WindUpBird
a warning: getting the shishkebab makes the game WAY easier.
The MIRV is absolutely hilarious to play with in FO3. :D
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:23:04pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:23:09pm |
re: #76 Charpete67
NY23 was a loss for republicans because it was a republican seat.
Those Republicans got annoyed. (For those who insist that the tea party crew represents 'rural' values, please note that rural Republicans, when confronted by tea party hysterics, will take their votes elsewhere.)
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:23:46pm |
re: #94 Ericus58
Will return later with popcorn made and a large tumbler filled with happiness.
Cheers all.
You have to bring enough for everyone
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:24:15pm |
re: #104 Charpete67
I just heard voter turnout in the city of Boston is projected at 56%...I don't know who that would help.
High turnout would supposedly favour the Democrat majority, which is why the bad weather was bullish for Brown.
After all, they drive trucks!
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SixDegrees Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:24:28pm |
re: #104 Charpete67
I just heard voter turnout in the city of Boston is projected at 56%...I don't know who that would help.
Poll workers interviewed this afternoon on NPR were saying turnout is higher than it was during the Presidential election - astonishing for an oddly scheduled, off year election.
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shutdown Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:24:32pm |
re: #101 Taqyia2Me
1100 out of 4000 population. Man, that's getting close to the edge of those eligible to vote!
There are still cemeteries full of voters who have not been to the polls yet. Remember, this is MA!
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:24:46pm |
re: #108 YoungLibertarian92
You got a problem with faux fur?
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Soap_Man Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:25:07pm |
re: #100 brookly red
true,but moral victories can get legislation blocked.
And even if Coakley wins, it will be very close when they should have won by double digits. That might scare a few Dems to move more toward the middle.
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:25:24pm |
re: #104 Charpete67
I just heard voter turnout in the city of Boston is projected at 56%...I don't know who that would help.
I believe that would favor Mz Coakley
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:25:28pm |
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Kragar Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:25:48pm |
re: #99 WindUpBird
a warning: getting the shishkebab makes the game WAY easier.
I did manage to get the sheriff of Megaton shot, got a nice rifle out of it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:25:49pm |
re: #111 Bagua
High turnout would supposedly favour the Democrat majority, which is why the bad weather was bullish for Brown.
After all, they drive trucks!
In Boston? Where do they park them?
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:25:55pm |
re: #112 SixDegrees
Poll workers interviewed this afternoon on NPR were saying turnout is higher than it was during the Presidential election - astonishing for an oddly scheduled, off year election.
This election is hyped because the media is taking a break from Tiger Woods and that "Pants on the Ground" guy.
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Charpete67 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:26:00pm |
re: #111 Bagua
High turnout would supposedly favour the Democrat majority, which is why the bad weather was bullish for Brown.
After all, they drive trucks!
maybe...but there are a lot of independents and they are more motivated...I'm not sure it turnout is good or bad for either.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:26:15pm |
re: #113 imp_62
There are still cemeteries full of voters who have not been to the polls yet. Remember, this is MA!
LOL At least they get counted! We can't even count live people! (FL)
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:26:36pm |
I wonder how Coakley's polling in Chappaquiddick.
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torrentprime Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:26:50pm |
re: #104 Charpete67
I just heard voter turnout in the city of Boston is projected at 56%...I don't know who that would help.
"A Democratic operative tells me that Dems are taking a bit of comfort from the fact that turnout is higher than they expected in Boston, which obviously would be Martha Coakley’s best hope of pulling out a victory.
“We’re hitting our targets and we’re feeling pretty good,” the operative says.
Linky.
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SixDegrees Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:27:13pm |
re: #106 Soap_Man
I've always liked that. There is nothing stopping them from releasing exit polls early, but they don't because they are worried it will effect voting turnout if the polls are still open.
But with all the "we have to be first no matter what" bullshit, I wonder how long that will last.
They used to report the moment the polls opened. I forget which election was involved, but at some point they were accused of throwing the election, because voters on the West coast - hearing their candidate was losing by a significant margin - simply didn't bother to go, figuring it was all over, even though had the voted their candidate would likely have carried the day despite the early results. Rather than face possible legal regulations, they adopted the self-imposed ban on early reporting.
I agree that it's a good thing.
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:27:14pm |
re: #114 marjoriemoon
You got a problem with faux fur?
Nope. I like my fur the way I like my news, Faux!
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freetoken Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:27:19pm |
Mighty heavy rain here... and a tornado warning just north...! Strongest storm in years - the joys of El Nino.
There will be lots of hay made of whatever result turns out today from MA.
Hay is for horses.
/heh...
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shutdown Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:27:32pm |
re: #123 Spare O'Lake
I wonder how Coakley's polling in Chappaquiddick.
Ouch. I want to up- and down ding that one at the same time.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:27:54pm |
re: #117 Bagua
Since when are you a Faux News supporter?
Hey, when I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:28:45pm |
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:28:55pm |
re: #121 Charpete67
maybe...but there are a lot of independents and they are more motivated...I'm not sure it turnout is good or bad for either.
Agreed, just something I read a pundit allege. Personally my bet is on a Democrat win in this one. But it will be a Republican win either way just because it is so close in the Liberal heartland that is Taxachuesetts. .
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Lawrior Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:29:18pm |
re: #129 marjoriemoon
You shut your mouth when you're talking to me.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:29:35pm |
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:29:56pm |
re: #77 The Sanity Inspector
Ah cool! Sorry I missed him, I'd love to chat. But when it come to other blogs and linking I'm a careful Lizard. Cache is my friend.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:30:01pm |
re: #132 Bagua
Agreed, just something I read a pundit allege. Personally my bet is on a Democrat win in this one. But it will be a Republican win either way just because it is so close in the Liberal heartland that is Taxachuesetts. .
If Coakley wins after the hideous campaign she ran, I don't exactly call that a Republican victory.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:30:31pm |
A glimmer of sanity?
Tea Party Activists Feel Slighted by GOP
Leading figures in the burgeoning "tea party" movement complain they are being ignored by the Republican National Committee, despite having already shown their clout in taking down moderate Republicans in a New York special House race and the Florida Republican Party hierarchy.
"I have called into the RNC many times, and they still haven't called me back," said Dale Robertson, head of TeaParty.org, which he claims has upwards of 7 million members. "I've called them, lots of times. I called them this morning. I called them yesterday. It's like they ignore you as they try to figure out a strategy on how to defeat you."
Dale Robertson was last seen here at a Tea Party holding a "Niggar" sign. I wonder why they won't take his call?
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Charpete67 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:30:58pm |
re: #132 Bagua
Agreed, just something I read a pundit allege. Personally my bet is on a Democrat win in this one. But it will be a Republican win either way just because it is so close in the Liberal heartland that is Taxachuesetts. .
the station I'm listening to claims that a high turnout helps Brown because it represents the anger of the electorate...but, I've always heard that higher turnout helps the Dems (especially in the city)...so, who knows.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:31:02pm |
re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
John Stewart "The Republicans are playing chess and the Democrats are in the nurses office because they glued their balls to their leg again."
I'm a lifelong democrat and I found that bit hilarious, because as a party, yes we are that stupid...
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:31:31pm |
re: #136 WindUpBird
If Coakley wins after the hideous campaign she ran, I don't exactly call that a Republican victory.
The point being that it is a close race in a state where the Democrats have dominance. Even with a hideous campaign, a Democrat should win by a large majority.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:31:55pm |
re: #128 imp_62
Ouch. I want to up- and down ding that one at the same time.
If you do that too often you'll go blind.
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shutdown Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:32:01pm |
re: #137 Killgore Trout
A glimmer of sanity?
Tea Party Activists Feel Slighted by GOP
Dale Robertson was last seen here at a Tea Party holding a "Niggar" sign. I wonder why they won't take his call?
It's like the scene in Monty Python's "The Meaning of Life" when Death comes to the house and tells everybody they are dead. Nobody is that thrilled to see him, either.
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Soap_Man Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:32:01pm |
re: #136 WindUpBird
If Coakley wins after the hideous campaign she ran, I don't exactly call that a Republican victory.
I agree. Coakley could not have performed worse. This is the best chance the GOP could have had there. If they lose, it will be hard to claim a moral victory. Of course it won't stop them from doing so.
With that said, I still think Coakley will win. I have nothing to back this up with. It's just a hunch.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:32:13pm |
re: #137 Killgore Trout
A glimmer of sanity?
Tea Party Activists Feel Slighted by GOP
Dale Robertson was last seen here at a Tea Party holding a "Niggar" sign. I wonder why they won't take his call?
I also like it that they've shown their clout by 'taking down moderate Republicans'. Good God. I wouldn't return their calls either.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:32:13pm |
re: #139 jamesfirecat
I'm a lifelong democrat and I found that bit hilarious, because as a party, yes we are that stupid...
If it makes ya feel better, I think both parties are that stupid.
:)
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:32:21pm |
re: #18 Ben Hur
Kennedy Fatigue?
Similar to Clinton Fatigue.
Well it's not like there's a Kennedy in the running...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:32:35pm |
re: #138 Charpete67
the station I'm listening to claims that a high turnout helps Brown because it represents the anger of the electorate...but, I've always heard that higher turnout helps the Dems (especially in the city)...so, who knows.
The democrats have better party machinery in the state, I believe the turnout helps them.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:32:40pm |
re: #108 YoungLibertarian92
And the finger pointing begins before the polls close. Hah!
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Charpete67 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:33:17pm |
re: #140 Bagua
The point being that it is a close race in a state where the Democrats have dominance. Even with a hideous campaign, a Democrat should win by a large majority.
...Barney Frank...
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:33:36pm |
re: #147 WindUpBird
The democrats have better party machinery in the state, I believe the turnout helps them.
if the turnout is caused by support yes... if the turnout is caused by anger not so much.
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torrentprime Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:33:44pm |
re: #140 Bagua
The point being that it is a close race in a state where the Democrats have dominance. Even with a hideous campaign, a Democrat should win by a large majority.
And the correlating point is... the GOP will still have lost.
I'm not picking on you; it's just that this "heads I win, tails you lose" thing doesn't make any sense. Whether Coakley wins by .5 or 20, it's still a win. Ugly, scary, indicative of a-thousand-and-one-things, sure - but it wouldn't be a loss.
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Bob Dillon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:33:46pm |
[Link: redmassgroup.com...]
In what MassLive.com is calling as "higher turnout than expected" only 2,700 of close to 90,000 registered voters in Springfield casted a ballot as of 12:30PM.
Judging from turnout so far, Oyola said turnout could reach as high as 25-30 percent.
"As high as 25%", you've gotta be kidding me! Talk about relative terms! If one of the Democratic strong holds is only throwing 2,700 votes Coakley's way as of 12:30PM. A town 1/10th it's size, Hanover, is already covering the difference. Hearing that must be crushing for Coakley. If that's their math, I'll gladly trade Hanover to take Springfield off the table. WOW!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:34:03pm |
re: #138 Charpete67
the station I'm listening to claims that a high turnout helps Brown because it represents the anger of the electorate...but, I've always heard that higher turnout helps the Dems (especially in the city)...so, who knows.
Higher turnout usually helps the Dems because there are simply more dems. As more of the population turns out the percentage of Dems will statistically increase.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:34:03pm |
re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Picked up Fallout 3 last night. Been fun so far.
See if you feel that way after you get to Tranquility Lane, play through it right after you've woken up, you'll thank me for putting as much time between you playing that level and going to sleep as possible...
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Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:34:16pm |
re: #141 Spare O'Lake
If you do that too often you'll go blind.
How come my screen is blurry all of a sudden?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:34:18pm |
re: #148 Rightwingconspirator
And the finger pointing begins before the polls close. Hah!
A lot of people are looking to this to see if they can pull off a takedown in California, so they'd like to get the numbers in so the speculating can start.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:34:41pm |
re: #154 jamesfirecat
See if you feel that way after you get to Tranquility Lane, play through it right after you've woken up, you'll thank me for putting as much time between you playing that level and going to sleep as possible...
That part was fun...:D
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:35:21pm |
re: #136 WindUpBird
If Coakley wins after the hideous campaign she ran, I don't exactly call that a Republican victory.
A Coakley win could hardly be called a victory for the GOP. If the vote is close at best it can create some motivation within the party because of it being held in Mass. However, that can lead to complacency within the GOP if they think "heck we almost won in Mass., the rest of this should be easy."
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:35:22pm |
re: #127 freetoken
I printed the tornado warning. Should be a collectible.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:35:32pm |
re: #140 Bagua
The point being that it is a close race in a state where the Democrats have dominance. Even with a hideous campaign, a Democrat should win by a large majority.
Coakley made like a quarter the campaign stops, alienated Catholics, and was just all-around an unlikeable scold. Brown has run a great campaign, has good machinery, understands the internet, and even has a lot of people here thinking he's a social moderate when he obviously is not. States can flip! it's not that unheard of. When you have a bad candidate, all bets are off.
If Coakley ran a good, or even a mediocre campaign, I'd agree with you. But her campaign was almost a self-sabotage.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:35:33pm |
re: #151 torrentprime
And the correlating point is... the GOP will still have lost.
I'm not picking on you; it's just that this "heads I win, tails you lose" thing doesn't make any sense. Whether Coakley wins by .5 or 20, it's still a win. Ugly, scary, indicative of a-thousand-and-one-things, sure - but it wouldn't be a loss.
Indicative yes, but it will also be indicative of the Republicans having blown the best chance they may ever get to take a Senate seat for MA.
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Charpete67 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:35:45pm |
re: #151 torrentprime
And the correlating point is... the GOP will still have lost.
I'm not picking on you; it's just that this "heads I win, tails you lose" thing doesn't make any sense. Whether Coakley wins by .5 or 20, it's still a win. Ugly, scary, indicative of a-thousand-and-one-things, sure - but it wouldn't be a loss.
not every state is that liberal...the point is that there will be races in other states this year that are not in MA...
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:36:19pm |
re: #45 YoungLibertarian92
I just watched Jones' "Obama Deception" and it was like when South Park was describing Scientology. I kept asking myself "Is he f**king serious?"
I care less about if someone is serious and more about if they're telling the truth personally.
Not meant as a dig at you, just making sure the important questions get asked...
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:37:05pm |
Is it just me, or are the hamsters running a bit slow?
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jvic Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:37:21pm |
Intrade odds have moved up to around 5:1 for Brown.
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Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:37:26pm |
re: #146 jamesfirecat
Well it's not like there's a Kennedy in the running...
Joe Kennedy is the Libertarian candidate, true?
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Digital Display Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:37:42pm |
re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist
A lot of people are looking to this to see if they can pull off a takedown in California, so they'd like to get the numbers in so the speculating can start.
I think Boxer is in trouble no matter what happens in Mass..
Carly Fiorina is trending upwards...
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SixDegrees Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:38:10pm |
re: #160 WindUpBird
Coakley made like a quarter the campaign stops, alienated Catholics, and was just all-around an unlikeable scold. Brown has run a great campaign, has good machinery, understands the internet, and even has a lot of people here thinking he's a social moderate when he obviously is not. States can flip! it's not that unheard of. When you have a bad candidate, all bets are off.
If Coakley ran a good, or even a mediocre campaign, I'd agree with you. But her campaign was almost a self-sabotage.
Coakley had a double-digit lead just a few weeks ago. I tend to agree that the shrinkage of that margin to near-zero is almost entirely her own doing.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:38:16pm |
re: #29 brookly red
I am here, just got back from working the polls... the horn and thumbs up poll was 3 to 1 for Brown outside with sign holders.
My small town has 3 precincts. All 3 precincts are set up in the community center Gym. About 15K residents, and at 4pm, 2000+ votes had been cast in MY PRECINCT. That is more votes in 1 of the three precincts than all the votes cast in the last presidential election.
Folks are coming out in droves to vote.
I just stood all day in the rain and cold with an 89 year old battle of the bulge vet, and he outlasted me.
The only way for Brown to lose this is for the election to literally be hijacked.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:38:25pm |
If Coakley squeaks out a win, guess who will receive all the credit because of his speech the other day?
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shutdown Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:38:35pm |
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Soap_Man Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:38:44pm |
In related news, the Dems are considering ping-ponging the health care bill.
I keep hearing about how a Brown win will kill health care. Not going to happen.
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shutdown Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:38:53pm |
re: #170 Spare O'Lake
If Coakley squeaks out a win, guess who will receive all the credit because of his speech the other day?
Wilford Brimley?
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Bob Dillon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:38:58pm |
re: #164 Varek Raith
Is it just me, or are the hamsters running a bit slow?
I think they miss their daddy. Yes same here.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:39:04pm |
re: #159 Rightwingconspirator
Every few years one pops up... sometimes first sighted as a water spout that comes on land. However, this time it was just a band of very strong thunderstorms. All over the county there is rain... which is needed, but this is the heaviest rain I've experienced here since way back in the 80's, during one of the strong El Ninos then.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:39:11pm |
re: #162 Charpete67
not every state is that liberal...the point is that there will be races in other states this year that are not in MA...
And the races in other states will have competitive democrats instead of idiotic ones who consider campaigning to be beneath them. So bring it on. 8-) Coakley bought the hype, fell asleep at the wheel, and if a Republican wins in Massachussets, it will be because of that.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:39:25pm |
re: #153 Killgore Trout
Higher turnout usually helps the Dems because there are simply more dems. As more of the population turns out the percentage of Dems will statistically increase.
Latest Gallup polling numbers. Party identity:
Democrat: 35%
Independent: 49%
Republican: 13%
That would mean the Democrats (assuming the would all vote for Coakley and you never know) would have to get at least 16% of the independent voters.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:39:46pm |
re: #151 torrentprime
And the correlating point is... the GOP will still have lost.
I'm not picking on you; it's just that this "heads I win, tails you lose" thing doesn't make any sense. Whether Coakley wins by .5 or 20, it's still a win. Ugly, scary, indicative of a-thousand-and-one-things, sure - but it wouldn't be a loss.
Nope, the point is the very closeness of the race foreshadows an almost certain end to the Democratic rule by decree in the Senate. If they have to battle for Moscow on the Charles, they will certainly loose their majority come November.
Fingers still crossed for tonight though, but either way, the writing is on the wall.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:40:08pm |
re: #165 jvic
Intrade odds have moved up to around 5:1 for Brown.
Throw some money on Coakley. It's still statistically as toss up but the odds mean you could make a killing. go for it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:40:17pm |
re: #170 Spare O'Lake
If Coakley squeaks out a win, guess who will receive all the credit because of his speech the other day?
Well, it sure as shit wouldn't Coakley recieving the credit ;-)
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:40:21pm |
re: #177 Gus 802
Latest Gallup polling numbers. Party identity:
Democrat: 35%
Independent: 49%
Republican: 13%That would mean the Democrats (assuming the would all vote for Coakley and you never know) would have to get at least 16% of the independent voters.
...These are Massachusetts numbers.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:40:43pm |
re: #178 Bagua
Nope, the point is the very closeness of the race foreshadows an almost certain end to the Democratic rule by decree in the Senate. If they have to battle for Moscow on the Charles, they will certainly loose their majority come November.
Fingers still crossed for tonight though, but either way, the writing is on the wall.
Depends on the economy. A whole lot can change by November. This is a snapshot, not a panorama.
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shutdown Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:40:43pm |
re: #178 Bagua
Nope, the point is the very closeness of the race foreshadows an almost certain end to the Democratic rule by decree in the Senate. If they have to battle for Moscow on the Charles, they will certainly loose their majority come November.
Fingers still crossed for tonight though, but either way, the writing is on the wall.
I was writing a similar post, but I have a bandaid on my finger.
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Charpete67 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:40:51pm |
re: #172 Soap_Man
In related news, the Dems are considering ping-ponging the health care bill.
I keep hearing about how a Brown win will kill health care. Not going to happen.
it may not kill it, but it will make it cost more in terms of political capital
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:40:59pm |
re: #169 CapeCoddah
I am here, just got back from working the polls... the horn and thumbs up poll was 3 to 1 for Brown outside with sign holders.
My small town has 3 precincts. All 3 precincts are set up in the community center Gym. About 15K residents, and at 4pm, 2000+ votes had been cast in MY PRECINCT. That is more votes in 1 of the three precincts than all the votes cast in the last presidential election.
Folks are coming out in droves to vote.
I just stood all day in the rain and cold with an 89 year old battle of the bulge vet, and he outlasted me.
The only way for Brown to lose this is for the election to literally be hijacked.
Is your neck of the woods historically a good predictor of the state-wide results?
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Bob Dillon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:41:07pm |
re: #170 Spare O'Lake
If Coakley squeaks out a win, guess who will receive all the credit because of his speech the other day?
Kerry?
/
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Soap_Man Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:41:34pm |
re: #169 CapeCoddah
The only way for Brown to lose this is for the election to literally be hijacked.
I don't think so. Perhaps turnout is just as crazy in Boston, where most people are punching (D) on the tickets.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:41:48pm |
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:41:54pm |
re: #172 Soap_Man
In related news, the Dems are considering ping-ponging the health care bill.
I keep hearing about how a Brown win will kill health care. Not going to happen.
Abortion alone will end the ping ponging.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:42:17pm |
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shutdown Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:42:18pm |
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allegro Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:42:29pm |
re: #177 Gus 802
Latest Gallup polling numbers. Party identity:
Democrat: 35%
Independent: 49%
Republican: 13%That would mean the Democrats (assuming the would all vote for Coakley and you never know) would have to get at least 16% of the independent voters.
And Republicans would have to get at least 38% of the independent voters. Just sayin.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:42:32pm |
re: #167 HoosierHoops
Fiorina vs Devor will be interesting. I can't vote it but interesting as all get out.
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Charpete67 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:42:34pm |
re: #176 WindUpBird
And the races in other states will have competitive democrats instead of idiotic ones who consider campaigning to be beneath them. So bring it on. 8-) Coakley bought the hype, fell asleep at the wheel, and if a Republican wins in Massachussets, it will be because of that.
you are correct, but you can't completely discount a republican taking the 41st seat...and of all seats, Ted Kennedy's in MA.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:42:40pm |
re: #169 CapeCoddah
The only way for Brown to lose this is for the election to literally be hijacked.
uh, no.
A 5 to 1 chance literally means that. It doesn't magically mean a 10000 to one shot.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:42:59pm |
re: #160 WindUpBird
But this is Massachusetts, all a Democrat has to do is have a body temperature above room to win. They shouldn't have to run a good campaign.
This the state of Kerry, Kennedy and Barney Frank. A democratic win is always assumed no matter how controversial the Democrat.
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exelwood Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:43:09pm |
re: #19 torrentprime
As the post says, anecdotal only, but a few data points...
MA-Sen: Reports of High TurnoutAttention conservatives: link goes to DailyKos. ;)
But how many of the Dems are voting for Brown? I've been haunting leftwing sites all day and two separate ones (including DU!) we're bemoaning that during phonebanking they were talking to dems who were voting for Brown.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:43:25pm |
re: #192 allegro
And Republicans would have to get at least 38% of the independent voters. Just sayin.
Thanks. Was just going to post that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:43:53pm |
re: #192 allegro
And Republicans would have to get at least 38% of the independent voters. Just sayin.
So it comes down to who these Independents are.
OK. Fun times.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:43:58pm |
re: #196 Bagua
But this is Massachusetts, all a Democrat has to do is have a body temperature above room to win.
/how about to vote?
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shutdown Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:44:21pm |
re: #196 Bagua
But this is Massachusetts, all a Democrat has to do is have a body temperature above room to win. They shouldn't have to run a good campaign.
This the state of Kerry, Kennedy and Barney Frank. A democratic win is always assumed no matter how controversial the Democrat.
16 years of Republican governorship. The state can be very unpredictable; the old-line Dems have 401k's now.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:45:02pm |
re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist
Depends on the economy. A whole lot can change by November. This is a snapshot, not a panorama.
I know, but it is fun to speculate and root for one's team.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:45:14pm |
re: #194 Charpete67
you are correct, but you can't completely discount a republican taking the 41st seat...and of all seats, Ted Kennedy's in MA.
Oh, it'll be significant. I don't actually believe Brown can totally kill HCR. it'll just be more procedural manipulation to get it passed.
Too much is made of the fact that it's Ted Kennedy's seat. As if he's haunting it and they can summon him with a ouija board. A bad democrat running a bad campaign is way more significant than the fact that Kennedy had the seat before. People in Massacussets aren't dipshits, they know they're not voting for Ted Kennedy's ghost.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:45:59pm |
re: #197 exelwood
But how many of the Dems are voting for Brown? I've been haunting leftwing sites all day and two separate ones (including DU!) we're bemoaning that during phonebanking they were talking to dems who were voting for Brown.
I think Brown has this one, but I take stuff like that with a grain of salt. Folks right here on LGF were swearing the mythical PUMAs would push McCain to victory right up to the end. Anecdotal phonebanking stories don't win elections.
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shutdown Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:46:16pm |
re: #203 WindUpBird
Oh, it'll be significant. I don't actually believe Brown can totally kill HCR. it'll just be more procedural manipulation to get it passed.
Too much is made of the fact that it's Ted Kennedy's seat. As if he's haunting it and they can summon him with a ouija board. A bad democrat running a bad campaign is way more significant than the fact that Kennedy had the seat before. People in Massacussets aren't dipshits, they know they're not voting for Ted Kennedy's ghost.
Would have to be a huge ouija board. With a bottle of Macallen in the middle.
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Bob Dillon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:48:12pm |
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]
At polls, turnout high, ballot issues reported
Brown, who was once considered a long-shot candidate, is leading Coakley in several polls. The Bay State has not elected a Republican to the U.S. Senate since 1972.
As of 3 p.m., 81,882 people had voted in Boston, according to city figures.
Election Department Chairwoman Geraldine Cuddyer predicted turnout could be has high as 20 percent to 30 percent
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SixDegrees Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:48:14pm |
Last week, Massachusetts Dem officials were threatening to delay certification of election results should Brown prevail, in order to keep him from taking office before health care is passed.
I wonder, should the election end with an extremely close margin but with Coakley prevailing, if they will be so concerned over accuracy as to conduct any investigations or recounts?
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:48:20pm |
re: #175 freetoken
Maybe it was the '80's when a tornado hit the LA convention center and did some damage, blew over a UPS truck. I admit I'm a weather buff, from long ago when my parents had a Cherokee plane. The hook pattern was a classic for a tornado warning. Clear as a bell, like from a text book. Except not Oklahoma.
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albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:48:40pm |
re: #203 WindUpBird
Oh, it'll be significant. I don't actually believe Brown can totally kill HCR. it'll just be more procedural manipulation to get it passed.Too much is made of the fact that it's Ted Kennedy's seat. As if he's haunting it and they can summon him with a ouija board. A bad democrat running a bad campaign is way more significant than the fact that Kennedy had the seat before. People in Massacussets aren't dipshits, they know they're not voting for Ted Kennedy's ghost.
just beat it severely about the head and shoulders
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CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:49:09pm |
re: #185 Spare O'Lake
Generally, yes. The Cape is very liberal, with the exception of Chatham. I live in Harwich.
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Charpete67 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:49:10pm |
re: #203 WindUpBird
Oh, it'll be significant. I don't actually believe Brown can totally kill HCR. it'll just be more procedural manipulation to get it passed.
Too much is made of the fact that it's Ted Kennedy's seat. As if he's haunting it and they can summon him with a ouija board. A bad democrat running a bad campaign is way more significant than the fact that Kennedy had the seat before. People in Massacussets aren't dipshits, they know they're not voting for Ted Kennedy's ghost.
I know the people don't care...that's why his line about it being the people's seat resonated and backfired on Coakley. I think the media talks about the symbolism of the seat more. The fact that it's Teddy's old seat will add some sting to it if Brown wins. I just don't think Brown will win...but, what the hell do I know.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:50:46pm |
re: #205 imp_62
Would have to be a huge ouija board. With a bottle of Macallen in the middle.
He he. The Democrats will be piling on Coakley giving her the Palin treatment should Brown win. Her name will be mud.
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albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:51:34pm |
re: #208 SixDegrees
Last week, Massachusetts Dem officials were threatening to delay certification of election results should Brown prevail, in order to keep him from taking office before health care is passed.
I wonder, should the election end with an extremely close margin but with Coakley prevailing, if they will be so concerned over accuracy as to conduct any investigations or recounts?
don't be silly....I know you've been following the slippery, dirty way Reid has cinducted himself lately...nothing he would do should be a surprise...he's crooked
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Soap_Man Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:52:00pm |
Well, if Brown wins the election the GOP is going to party like it's 1999.
I'll go ahead and start making fun of the fact that a political party can be that happy about having 41 senators. Woo-hoo!!
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CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:52:57pm |
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Charpete67 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:53:11pm |
re: #213 Bagua
He he. The Democrats will be piling on Coakley giving her the Palin treatment should Brown win. Her name will be mud.
maybe we will see photoshopped pics of her in a bikini with an AK47...
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shutdown Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:53:21pm |
I think it is significant that the Dem leadership put up a woman for the seat. There is some deep-rooted fear that they can not win on issues alone at this point of the election cycle. Putting some middle-aged white guy in a suit up there would have focused the electorate on issues way sooner.
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exelwood Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:53:36pm |
re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist
I think Brown has this one, but I take stuff like that with a grain of salt. Folks right here on LGF were swearing the mythical PUMAs would push McCain to victory right up to the end. Anecdotal phonebanking stories don't win elections.
Are you suggesting Dems will vote lockstep for Marcia? :) I think crossovers are going to be the real gut rippers for national Democrats. This election must be scaring the crap out of the left.
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albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:53:38pm |
re: #215 Soap_Man
Well, if Brown wins the election the GOP is going to party like it's 1999.
I'll go ahead and start making fun of the fact that a political party can be that happy about having 41 senators. Woo-hoo!!
like an endzone dance when you're 3 TDs down?
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shutdown Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:53:58pm |
re: #217 Charpete67
maybe we will see photoshopped pics of her in a bikini with an AK47...
Great. There go my appetite and sex drive all in one fell swoop.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:54:56pm |
re: #209 Rightwingconspirator
A few years ago up in the Bay area there was a "right-moving" tornadic storm that was also rotating clockwise... very weird for the Northern Hemisphere, of course, but somehow fitting...
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FigJam Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:54:58pm |
Don't fret folks! Martha has it sewn up. Our SEIU buds are doing a great job intimidating at the polls, and bringing in tons of unregistered voters. And when the votes are counted, if it's close, we'll find lots and lots of "lost" ballots, and we'll invalidate most of the military absentee ballots. After all, we learned a lot from Al Franken and Christine Gregiore
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:54:59pm |
re: #219 exelwood
Are you suggesting Dems will vote lockstep for Marcia? :) I think crossovers are going to be the real gut rippers for national Democrats. This election must be scaring the crap out of the left.
btw Christie was sworn in today in Jersey...
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CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:55:32pm |
re: #195 WindUpBird
Uh, yes...I am here and seeing what is happening.
I could care less about odds, this is not Vegas.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:55:32pm |
re: #208 SixDegrees
Last week, Massachusetts Dem officials were threatening to delay certification of election results should Brown prevail, in order to keep him from taking office before health care is passed.
I wonder, should the election end with an extremely close margin but with Coakley prevailing, if they will be so concerned over accuracy as to conduct any investigations or recounts?
They already used a dirty trick by changing the law to seat the 60th Democrat. Of course they will use Chicago politics to try to force Obamacare. They are choosing to enrage their opponents, and we are seeing the result in Mass.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:55:36pm |
re: #196 Bagua
But this is Massachusetts, all a Democrat has to do is have a body temperature above room to win. They shouldn't have to run a good campaign.
This the state of Kerry, Kennedy and Barney Frank. A democratic win is always assumed no matter how controversial the Democrat.
I think you are exaggerating the loyalty of Massacussets democratic voters. They aren't mindless drones. They are still voting for people, and one of the people is a wretched candidate. Brown has made enough moderate noises to convince a lot of independents he's not GOP business as usual. Coakley didn't run a good campaign, she didn't run a bad campaign. She ran a HIDEOUS campaign. She alienated Catholics with her crack about ERs. She blew the sports references. She's pissed off a lot of independents.
You're discussing this as if the campaigns were equal. They we
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lostlakehiker Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:55:46pm |
re: #4 Rightwingconspirator
If this comes within a couple points, we will need more than a 24 hour rule to sort the bull from the rest.
Anything resembling close will end up going for Coakley. The incentive to cheat is as high as it gets, and the machinery to facilitate cheating is all in place.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:55:52pm |
re: #206 imp_62
Where is everybody? Have I gone deaf???
Well, I for one am experiencing significant packet losses (due to the storms?) here so it takes forever to load messages.
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shutdown Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:56:11pm |
re: #224 brookly red
btw Christie was sworn in today in Jersey...
Yeah,... I think that guy is an accident waiting to happen. He just makes me a bit nervous - speaking as a centre rightist.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:56:12pm |
Holy shit. National weather service just announced a tornado warning for San Diego.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:56:43pm |
re: #227 WindUpBird
Ooops, the end of that should say something like "They weren't equal once it came out that Coakley was barely even making campaign stops."
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Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:56:44pm |
So incredibly disappointing.
The first African American President and his first year is wasted. Nothing of substance has been accomplished. The GOP is a complete and utter mess yet the Democrats cannot pass any significant legislation. And it could get harder tomorrow.
Obama deserved better.
Black Americans deserved better.
America deserved better.
Democrat Party Fail.
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albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:56:46pm |
re: #231 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Holy shit. National weather service just announced a tornado warning for San Diego.
it's the PLATES!
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shutdown Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:57:21pm |
re: #231 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Holy shit. National weather service just announced a tornado warning for San Diego.
[Link: forecast.weather.gov...]
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shutdown Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:58:19pm |
re: #229 freetoken
Well, I for one am experiencing significant packet losses (due to the storms?) here so it takes forever to load messages.
Similar issue, and I am out by the Great Lakes. Ah, the intertubez - weirdly connecting the world since Al Gore gave birth to them.
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Digital Display Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:58:21pm |
re: #231 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Holy shit. National weather service just announced a tornado warning for San Diego.
Buck it up...Indiana gets tornadoes warnings all the time.. Freaks me out..
Be safe
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:58:36pm |
re: #224 brookly red
btw Christie was sworn in today in Jersey...
/Oh in case anyone was wondering how I was able to post that twice, pls remember I AM a Democrat.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:59:02pm |
re: #231 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Holy shit. National weather service just announced a tornado warning for San Diego.
Started a couple of hours ago:
[Link: kamala.cod.edu...]
They're late with the latest warning. The line already went through where I am, and it got very dark indeed.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:59:57pm |
To all the soon to be Angry Butthurt Liberals™
Try not to panic too much. We all screw up our opportunities sometimes.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:00:05pm |
re: #89 Lawrior
I went with Big Guns to start. It's harder starting out, but once you start finding those big guns, you are an unholy terror delivering the dreaded scrolls throughout the Wastelands.
Course in the original ammo had weight and so with each rocket or so weighing a pound it was a lot better to stock up on those light energy cells...
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torrentprime Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:00:18pm |
re: #178 Bagua
Nope, the point is the very closeness of the race foreshadows an almost certain end to the Democratic rule by decree in the Senate. If they have to battle for Moscow on the Charles, they will certainly loose their majority come November.
Fingers still crossed for tonight though, but either way, the writing is on the wall.
Ruling by decree? As in, the majority rules? LOL
And the as-of-yet theoretical loss of one crappy candidate in an off-year special election can be taken as an iron-clad prophecy for an entire midterm, and will definitely result in the additional loss of at least 9 seats? And no matter what happens, this frame is still valid? Gotcha.
Points for obligatory "blue states are like communists" metaphor, though.
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Soap_Man Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:00:37pm |
re: #231 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Holy shit. National weather service just announced a tornado warning for San Diego.
Keep an eye on the sky. If it turns green, head for the basement. (I know that sounds silly, but it's true.)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:01:09pm |
heehee, cue conservative rage at Al Franken: [Link: minnesota.publicradio.org...]
I agree with him, I think the drama about HCR being killed by Brown is manufactured by the media. There's plenty of ways to pass it.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:01:16pm |
re: #176 WindUpBird
And the races in other states will have competitive democrats instead of idiotic ones who consider campaigning to be beneath them. So bring it on. 8-) Coakley bought the hype, fell asleep at the wheel, and if a Republican wins in Massachussets, it will be because of that.
No, it will be because the citizens of Massachusetts are fed up to our eyeballs with democrat lies, corruption, ineptitude, greed, runaway spending.... Please do not tell us why we are voting the way we are, that is insulting. You just do not like to hear that democrats here are jumping ship, as are the independents.
A childhood friend of mines mom is a neighbor of mine. She is far left, she will vote for a candidate based only on gender. She is a lesbian.
She voted for Scott Brown.
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shutdown Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:01:35pm |
re: #243 exelwood
Intrade.com
Brown: 83.9
Marcia: 18.0
Yeah, but there is a secondary market in derivatives (Brown puts, Coakley calls and default swaps) that is skewing the odds.
//
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jvic Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:02:07pm |
re: #169 CapeCoddah
The only way for Brown to lose this is for the election to literally be hijacked.
Like this?
A few years ago--it may have been back in the Clinton era--didn't NJ Democrats try to get a judge to order a revote because had the voters only known that _____ blah blah blah? He refused.
I'm not following the Prop 8 trial in CA, but I know it's going on.
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Charpete67 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:02:25pm |
re: #232 WindUpBird
Ooops, the end of that should say something like "They weren't equal once it came out that Coakley was barely even making campaign stops."
the only thing worse she could have done is have Johnny Damon or Bill Buckner campaign for her...
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:02:33pm |
re: #105 Bagua
The writing is on the wall with this close election in Mass.
Come tonight or come November, the short lived Obama
Hyper-Partisan Agenda™ is doomed to Lame Duck status.
The Obama Agenda is a busted flush, he should have tried bi-partisanship as he promised during the campaign.
Obama lied, his super-majority died.
He did try bi-partisanship? Do you remember the time he invited the Republicans over said "we're willing to give up this, what are you willing to give us in return?" They calmly replied "Nothing." So yes damn that evil Obama for not refusing to give the Republicans whatever they want!
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:03:12pm |
re: #228 lostlakehiker
I appreciate the sentiment, but after enduring years of weak tales of how GWB stole the election, I have a very high resistance to assuming cheating as a significant factor. Even a GWB era investigation turned up very little. Repeating a bit-I believe the error to be + or - 3 points. For a 95% confidence interval anyway.
Cheating may be a half point, arguably a tenth or less. But every result within the error margin is a coin flip. arguing about ballot layout, registration, etc gets a new flip of the coin.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:03:32pm |
re: #231 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You too?
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shutdown Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:03:51pm |
Ok, time to put up the spags and pick up the wrestler. BBL
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exelwood Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:04:39pm |
re: #248 imp_62
Yeah, but there is a secondary market in derivatives (Brown puts, Coakley calls and default swaps) that is skewing the odds.
//
The Chinese have overbought Brown in anticipation of more ball gluing by Dems.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:04:42pm |
If Brown wins then the election result will be spun by the GOP as a scathing indictment of HCR in particular and of Obama's first year in office in general, while the Dems will spin it as nothing more than a massive personal failure by Coakley.
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Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:04:52pm |
re: #233 Racer X
So incredibly disappointing.
The first African American President and his first year is wasted. Nothing of substance has been accomplished. The GOP is a complete and utter mess yet the Democrats cannot pass any significant legislation. And it could get harder tomorrow.
Obama deserved better.
Black Americans deserved better.
America deserved better.Democrat Party Fail.
Like the old song, What a Difference a Day (Year) Makes. It started out with all that Hope. Wha happened?
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:05:26pm |
re: #231 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
A new one or is this the one issued earlier that expired at 1:30?
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:05:46pm |
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charles_martel Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:05:59pm |
re: #233 Racer X
So incredibly disappointing.
The first African American President and his first year is wasted. Nothing of substance has been accomplished. .....
Oh, I don't know. In his first year, Obama spent:
A Trillion on the financial bailout
A Trillion on the Stimulus Package
A Trillion on the Omnibus Spending Bill
A Trillion in Copenhagen
and he's trying to spend
A Trillion on Health car Reform.
Five trillion dollars spent/promised in one year. That's enough, thank you.
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ckb Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:06:50pm |
re: #197 exelwood
But how many of the Dems are voting for Brown? I've been haunting leftwing sites all day and two separate ones (including DU!) we're bemoaning that during phonebanking they were talking to dems who were voting for Brown.
Local pre-election polling has this number at ~20%. (~20% of registered Dems breaking for Brown, ~8% of registered Reps breaking for Coakley).
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:07:04pm |
re: #252 Charpete67
the only thing worse she could have done is have Johnny Damon or Bill Buckner campaign for her...
Bill Buckner. Ouch - it never ends.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:07:43pm |
re: #260 Rightwingconspirator
A new one or is this the one issued earlier that expired at 1:30?
This one goes till 3:15. Just suprised to see it.
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Charpete67 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:07:56pm |
re: #265 cliffster
Bill Buckner. Ouch - it never ends.
he must have been the happiest guy when they finally won.
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torrentprime Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:08:15pm |
re: #262 charles_martel
Oh, I don't know. In his first year, Obama spent:
A Trillion on the financial bailout
A Trillion on the Stimulus Package
A Trillion on the Omnibus Spending Bill
A Trillion in Copenhagen
and he's trying to spend
A Trillion on Health car Reform.Five trillion dollars spent/promised in one year. That's enough, thank you.
And what it's spent on and how it affects future revenues is totally irrelevant.
/
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Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:08:22pm |
re: #238 HoosierHoops
Buck it up...Indiana gets tornadoes warnings all the time.. Freaks me out..
Be safe
No so many basements and tornado sirens or shelters in California as you well know, Hoops.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:08:29pm |
re: #166 Silvergirl
Joe Kennedy is the Libertarian candidate, true?
Oh didn't know that allow me to rephrase, it's not like there's a Kennedy running as Republican or a Democrat...
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ckb Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:09:53pm |
re: #208 SixDegrees
Last week, Massachusetts Dem officials were threatening to delay certification of election results should Brown prevail, in order to keep him from taking office before health care is passed.
I wonder, should the election end with an extremely close margin but with Coakley prevailing, if they will be so concerned over accuracy as to conduct any investigations or recounts?
Mass state law requires a recount only if the margin of victory is below 0.5%. Absentee ballots are only counted if the number of ballots outstanding is greater than the margin of vctory.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:10:01pm |
Poll: Americans skeptical of Obama's promises
Only 35 percent say they’re confident he's got the right set of goals, policies
MSNBC goes off reservation, there is blood in the streets.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:10:36pm |
re: #262 charles_martel
Oh, I don't know. In his first year, Obama spent:
A Trillion on the financial bailout
A Trillion on the Stimulus Package
A Trillion on the Omnibus Spending Bill
A Trillion in Copenhagen
and he's trying to spend
A Trillion on Health car Reform.Five trillion dollars spent/promised in one year. That's enough, thank you.
I know that's supposed to be something akin to humor but the financial bailout or TARP was not the creation of the Obama administration.
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cronus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:10:50pm |
You know you've run a crappy campaign when Bob Shrum is on Ed Shultz's show telling the Coakley folks what they did wrong..
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:10:59pm |
re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist
So it comes down to who these Independents are.
OK. Fun times.
Isn't that always the way?
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:12:30pm |
Coakley's people are already claiming voter fraud...
[Link: www.wbur.org...]
... guess their internal polls are not looking good.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:12:56pm |
re: #226 Bagua
They already used a dirty trick by changing the law to seat the 60th Democrat. Of course they will use Chicago politics to try to force Obamacare. They are choosing to enrage their opponents, and we are seeing the result in Mass.
I repeate the Republicans are refusing to engage with the Democrats, when you've got 40 Senators who all sing "I'm against it" from Horse Feathers whenever you trot out a piece of legislation, there isn't much point trying to engage with them.
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charles_martel Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:14:00pm |
re: #273 Gus 802
I know that's supposed to be something akin to humor but the financial bailout or TARP was not the creation of the Obama administration.
Fine, take out one of the five trillion. We simply don't have the money. Trying to fix a credit crisis by using more credit is simply not a smart idea. It's like applying for a new credit card to pay off an old one.
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Soap_Man Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:14:19pm |
If Brown wins, he said he will ask Obama to play a game of basketball.
A new era of bipartisanship!!!
/
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:14:27pm |
re: #261 Bagua
Call the Waambulance!
What? I'm asking a serious question? How are Democrats suppose to work with Republicans if Republicans refuse to work with democrats?
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allegro Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:14:41pm |
re: #277 jamesfirecat
I repeate the Republicans are refusing to engage with the Democrats, when you've got 40 Senators who all sing "I'm against it" from Horse Feathers whenever you trot out a piece of legislation, there isn't much point trying to engage with them.
No, no, see it's all because Obama refuses to be bi-partisan. All his fault./////
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:15:09pm |
re: #276 brookly red
Coakley's people are already claiming voter fraud...
[Link: www.wbur.org...]
... guess their internal polls are not looking good.
"Hey, this ballot is already marked! Rats, I guess I just have to vote for Brown then."
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Soap_Man Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:15:30pm |
re: #280 jamesfirecat
What? I'm asking a serious question? How are Democrats suppose to work with Republicans if Republicans refuse to work with democrats?
That's a good question and I have yet to hear a good answer to it.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:15:57pm |
re: #277 jamesfirecat
I repeate the Republicans are refusing to engage with the Democrats, when you've got 40 Senators who all sing "I'm against it" from Horse Feathers whenever you trot out a piece of legislation, there isn't much point trying to engage with them.
Repeat until you turn blue. It remains your partisan perspective.
Let the Blame game begin!
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allegro Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:16:51pm |
re: #284 Bagua
It remains your partisan perspective.
Have you been paying attention at all? It is fact, not perspective.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:17:04pm |
re: #278 charles_martel
Fine, take out one of the five trillion. We simply don't have the money. Trying to fix a credit crisis by using more credit is simply not a smart idea. It's like applying for a new credit card to pay off an old one.
OK Just wanted to point out the attribution to TARP.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:17:11pm |
re: #282 cliffster
"Hey, this ballot is already marked! Rats, I guess I just have to vote for Brown then."
and the polls aren't even closed yet...
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simoom Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:17:50pm |
re: #276 brookly red
Coakley's people are already claiming voter fraud...
[Link: www.wbur.org...]
They must be referencing this from earlier in the day:
[Link: theplumline.whorunsgov.com...]
... guess their internal polls are not looking good.
Or perhaps they're expecting a nail-biter as small scale irregularities won't matter otherwise?
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jvic Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:17:50pm |
re: #276 brookly red
Coakley's people are already claiming voter fraud...
[Link: www.wbur.org...]
... guess their internal polls are not looking good.
National Review notes that the original Coakley press release was dated yesterday!
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albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:18:36pm |
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:19:01pm |
re: #280 jamesfirecat
What? I'm asking a serious question? How are Democrats suppose to work with Republicans if Republicans refuse to work with democrats?
And I'm having fun, lighten up, it's just an election.
And what the Democrats should do is negotiate in good faith and seek bi-partisan policy, just as Obama dishonestly campaigned.
Never-mind, either now or in November the Democrats will be forced to consider what is best for the nation, not just their far left agenda.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:19:29pm |
re: #289 jvic
National Review notes that the original Coakley press release was dated yesterday!
nice catch, not surprising...
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:20:19pm |
re: #284 Bagua
Repeat until you turn blue. It remains your partisan perspective.
Let the Blame game begin!
So what do you imagine Bi-partisianship should be like? I imagine that it should be give and take between both parties. For example, the democrats say "we won't do single payer, we won't have a public option, but instead we'll create something like a government funded non profit public option but is only given government seed money to start with. If it can make money it will survive if it can't then it will tank, rules of the free market, that way it can't accept a huge loss and undercut its business opponents. The conservatives then agree that this does sound like a free market solution to the healthcare problem and agree to let the bill come to a vote.
What have the Republican Senators/Congressmen been willing to give on the health care issue? Because if they aren't willing to give anything why should the democrats have to? Even if they do anyways because they're a bunch of quarlling pussies (talk about herding cats!) for the most part...
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Charpete67 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:20:23pm |
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:20:35pm |
re: #291 Bagua
And I'm having fun, lighten up, it's just an election.
And what the Democrats should do is negotiate in good faith and seek bi-partisan policy, just as Obama dishonestly campaigned.
Never-mind, either now or in November the Democrats will be forced to consider what is best for the nation, not just their far left agenda.
I don't remember Obama pledging to make sure all discussions would be held behind closed doors. Maybe I wasn't paying attention.
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ckb Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:20:46pm |
re: #282 cliffster
"Hey, this ballot is already marked! Rats, I guess I just have to vote for Brown then."
Here's some going the other way....
[Link: michaelgraham.com...]
Lawrence is the national capital of Auto Insurance fraud as well.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:21:16pm |
re: #285 allegro
Have you been paying attention at all? It is fact, not perspective.
Yes, I've noticed the spin from the left. So what? I dispute it.
You have have the bulk of the MSM as your propaganda outlet, why deny me my tiny voice?
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YoungLibertarian92 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:21:34pm |
ACORN may be up to its old tricks again.
Via: Fox News
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:22:13pm |
re: #291 Bagua
Yeah, those crazy, far-left Democrats. See all the far left things they do, like...
yeah.
Not even a public option, probably. That's how far left they are.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:22:48pm |
re: #291 Bagua
And I'm having fun, lighten up, it's just an election.
And what the Democrats should do is negotiate in good faith and seek bi-partisan policy, just as Obama dishonestly campaigned.
Never-mind, either now or in November the Democrats will be forced to consider what is best for the nation, not just their far left agenda.
How do you suggest the Democarts haven't negotiated in good faith? To me its the Republicans who refuse to answer the question of "What do we have to do to get you to agree to at least let us vote on the bill?" Granted Joe Liberman an independent is probably the worst of the lot, he's had about nine different reasons for being against healthcare in nine months before we finally agreed to ditch the public option and anything resembling it to keep him happy...
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allegro Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:23:25pm |
re: #297 Bagua
Yes, I've noticed the spin from the left. So what? I dispute it.
Please show my any major Democratic proposed legislation where Republicans came to the table in good faith and offered votes in its support. Please.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:24:13pm |
re: #299 Obdicut
Yeah, those crazy, far-left Democrats. See all the far left things they do, like...
yeah.
Not even a public option, probably. That's how far left they are.
Patience Obdicut, patience. If the Left prevails they will get all things, bit by bit.
Too bad they seem to have stepped over the line, on this opportunity, but we will see.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:24:16pm |
re: #302 allegro
Please show my any major Democratic proposed legislation where Republicans came to the table in good faith and offered votes in its support. Please.
Well we managed to get a forth of them to vote that it was wrong for people not to be able to sue those who raped them!
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:25:11pm |
re: #303 Gus 802
Oh boy. Dead voters and pre-filled ballots.
yeah, I better get some beer now... it's gonna be a long evening.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:25:18pm |
re: #304 Bagua
Patience Obdicut, patience. If the Left prevails they will get all things, bit by bit.
Too bad they seem to have stepped over the line, on this opportunity, but we will see.
Yeah just like how social security was expanded to slowly cover more and more people, man what a stupid idea that was!
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:25:54pm |
re: #299 Obdicut
Considering all the backlash, lack of support, and bribery to even get some support out of a few states' senators....and they're STILL trying to push crap down the throat of the country---yes, they are.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:26:05pm |
re: #306 brookly red
yeah, I better get some beer now... it's gonna be a long evening.
Tonights feature, "Night of the Living Ballot."
/
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:26:32pm |
re: #302 allegro
Please show my any major Democratic proposed legislation where Republicans came to the table in good faith and offered votes in its support. Please.
You are jumping the gun allegro, the Democrats don't have to start saying please and offering to be bi-partisan until tonight, or maybe November.
Don't panic too much yet.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:27:00pm |
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jvic Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:27:07pm |
The absolute worst thing for the country would be a tainted Coakley win.
I voted for Brown, but if he loses I hope it's clearcut.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:27:20pm |
re: #307 jamesfirecat
Yeah just like how social security was expanded to slowly cover more and more people, man what a stupid idea that was!
Agreed. Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, everyone knows that. Glad to see your waking up my friend!
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allegro Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:28:22pm |
re: #310 Bagua
re: #302 allegro
Please show my any major Democratic proposed legislation where Republicans came to the table in good faith and offered votes in its support. Please.
You are jumping the gun allegro, the Democrats don't have to start saying please and offering to be bi-partisan until tonight, or maybe November.
In other words, you can't. Got it.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:28:38pm |
re: #308 TheMatrix31
Considering all the backlash, lack of support, and bribery to even get some support out of a few states' senators...and they're STILL trying to push crap down the throat of the country---yes, they are.
A Busted Flush always involves overplaying one's cards. The resulting defeat is crushing... "But I had such a pretty hand." Fail.
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simoom Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:28:54pm |
re: #289 jvic
National Review notes that the original Coakley press release was dated yesterday!
What's amusing about the NR post is they imply it's maybe evidence of a pre-planned conspiracy to "gum up the works." :P
What I mean is, how does it make any more sense that yesterday, when carefully preparing your fake conspiracy memo, you mistakenly used the current date instead of tomorrow's, versus that you included a minor typo in a memo you rushed out during the chaos of election day?
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ckb Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:29:02pm |
re: #298 YoungLibertarian92
ACORN may be up to its old tricks again.
Via: Fox News
"We guard the rights of voters here," Galvin said.
True story: I walk into vote in MA with my driver's license in hand, and the check-in poll worker asks me my address. I say "here's my license" and hold it up for her to read. She says "put that away, I can't look at it". I say "fine, don't look at it, but I can still hold it up" and I verbally pronounce my address.
This was a couple years ago. I don't bother anymore. I just walk in and say "5th person down on page 7" when they ask me for my address. I get a "very funny, what's your address" and then they turn to page 7 and I'm the 5th person down.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:29:28pm |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:29:29pm |
re: #315 Bagua
I fucking love that phrase, dude. Especially since I love playing poker. Awesome!
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:31:01pm |
re: #314 allegro
In other words, you can't. Got it.
What are you talking about? You are spinning from your partisan perspective. Your absurd framing of The Party Of No is political hype.
And also sour grapes now that you see the Obama Agenda is serious danger.
Those on the other side disagree with your talking points.
Got it?
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:32:13pm |
re: #308 TheMatrix31
How does that make them far-left, though? What you're accusing them of is being corrupt, not of being far-left.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:33:17pm |
re: #315 Bagua
A Busted Flush always involves overplaying one's cards. The resulting defeat is crushing... "But I had such a pretty hand." Fail.
Don't count your chickens till they hatch, you can never EVER be sure of what democrats are going to do, even if we lose the election we might be able to ping pong the bill to Obama's desk without it going back to the Senate.
I'm not saying it will happen, but I'm saying it could. Lets keep the victory dancing /morning relating to Healthcare on hold till we've seen how everything plays out...
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:34:22pm |
re: #321 Obdicut
They're still trying to push their agenda through, making "concessions" to make it more "palpable" to the general masses, and its not really working.
Bottom line is, the general public did not know how hardcore the Reid/Pelosi/Obama triumvirate would try to be.
Whatever, now they're trying to "correct" it I guess.
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allegro Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:35:12pm |
re: #320 Bagua
What are you talking about? You are spinning from your partisan perspective. Your absurd framing of The Party Of No is political hype.
Yet, you cannot offer a single example of bipartisanship from the Republicans. I can cite quite a few on the part of the Obama administrations, such as his courting Olympia Snowe, the only Republican willing to consider working on Health Care Reform. But it's MY spin. Right. Facts be damned.
And also sour grapes now that you see the Obama Agenda is serious danger.
I don't see it any greater danger now than it has been in the last year.
Those on the other side disagree with your
talking pointsfacts.
FTFY.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:36:01pm |
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:36:20pm |
re: #323 TheMatrix31
Again: you have done nothing to show that the agenda is far-left. At all. You're just asserting it.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:38:36pm |
re: #324 allegro
FTFY.
Nonsense, this is the most hyper-partisan administration in modern history. It is undeniable.
Simply absurd to allege otherwise. I won't waste my time with such idle gamesmanship.
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:39:40pm |
re: #326 Obdicut
Again: you have done nothing to show that the agenda is far-left. At all. You're just asserting it.
Ok, turn it around. What would an agenda have to look like in order to be far-left?
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:40:12pm |
re: #326 Obdicut
My defintion of far left is different than yours. I call the trillions of dollars, health care initiatives starting out with public options, all the insane corruption, proposals of cap-and-trade, government "taking over" of GM and Citibank, calling for pay caps on executives, etc a far left agenda.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:40:55pm |
OT:
A Vatican document released Tuesday blamed the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the "occupying" of lands for fomenting most of the conflicts in the Middle East, driving Christians out and making life difficult for those who remain.
The document is a guide for discussions for an Oct. 10-24 meeting of Mideast bishops convened by Pope Benedict XVI to discuss the plight of the Christian minority in the overwhelmingly Muslim region. The exodus of Christians from the region and religious discrimination faced by those who remain are main issues on the table.
Synod organizer Monsignor Nikola Eterovic said about 150 bishops, most of them from Eastern rite churches, are expected to attend the meeting, which follows a 2009 Vatican meeting of bishops on Africa.
The meeting document made clear that bishops in the Middle East believe the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to be the root cause of several conflicts in the region.[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Well then by all means, Ratzinger, go ahead and canonize Pius as well.
*spit*
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allegro Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:41:17pm |
re: #327 Bagua
Nonsense, this is the most hyper-partisan administration in modern history. It is undeniable.
Simply absurd to allege otherwise. I won't waste my time with such idle gamesmanship.
You cannot support your position with facts. Not even a single example. I would agree about the idle gamesmanship if you'd ever shown up to play.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:42:19pm |
re: #326 Obdicut
Again: you have done nothing to show that the agenda is far-left. At all. You're just asserting it.
One doesn't have to show that water is wet. Silly rhetorical games are a waste of time.
Obama's agenda is hard left. Full stop. Support it if you wish but don't pretend it is something it's not.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:44:17pm |
re: #329 TheMatrix31
proposals of cap-and-trade
Yeah, that bastard far-left McCain:
[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com...]
all the insane corruption
Again, saying this is an aspect of the far-left just reveals your own bias, nothing more.government "taking over" of GM and Citibank
Was Reagan's firing of the air traffic controllers better or worse?
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:44:19pm |
re: #332 Bagua
One doesn't have to show that water is wet. Silly rhetorical games are a waste of time.
Obama's agenda is hard left. Full stop. Support it if you wish but don't pretend it is something it's not.
Hard left compared to what exactly? Doesn't just about every other major country in Europe have a government run healthcare system?
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:44:43pm |
re: #331 allegro
You cannot support your position with facts. Not even a single example. I would agree about the idle gamesmanship if you'd ever shown up to play.
What facts? You are playing an idle game of rhetoric. Obama and the Democrats are playing a highly Partisan game, it is a waste of time to argue that. If you can't see this, you are blind.
Why else would one Senator's vote be so critical? Get real.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:45:56pm |
re: #335 Bagua
What facts? You are playing an idle game of rhetoric. Obama and the Democrats are playing a highly Partisan game, it is a waste of time to argue that. If you can't see this, you are blind.
Why else would one Senator's vote be so critical? Get real.
Well it wouldn't be so critical if the Republicans would just let us, I don't know, VOTE on the issue rather than fillibustering everything...
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:47:11pm |
re: #332 Bagua
That's not an argument. Just an assertion. And it's all wet.
re: #328 cliffster
Ok, turn it around. What would an agenda have to look like in order to be far-left?
Say, something calling for a nationalization of the prison system, a fully-funded public option, nationalization of the energy industry or hyper-regulation of it, ending welfare limits, raising taxes to what they were before Reagan, passing a law mandating gay marriage instead of hiding behind the courts-- you know, positions that were far to the left.
The Democrats don't have the balls to be hard left.
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KernelPanic Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:47:30pm |
I'm a Boston resident, just got done with work & the gym and now it's time to settle down and watch the trainwreck live!
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:47:55pm |
re: #326 Obdicut
Again: you have done nothing to show that the agenda is far-left. At all. You're just asserting it.
Correct. Obama's agenda is not even close to being far-left. If he were a real far-leftist he would have abandoned Israel, cut military spending down to nothing and a multitude of other leftist policies would have been implemented. It reminds me of when people used to call Bush far-right. Anyone that think Obama is a far-leftist doesn't know anything about the far-left.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:48:27pm |
re: #334 jamesfirecat
Hard left compared to what exactly? Doesn't just about every other major country in Europe have a government run healthcare system?
Since when does the US get compared with Socialist Europe? That is a false comparison.
Call Hard Left purple, for all I care. Just word games. Everyone sees the current Obama/Pelosi/Reid triumvirate as hard left. Deal with it.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:48:52pm |
re: #333 Obdicut
I don't give a fuck about John McCain. I don't like him, never did, never will. the only reason I even voted for him was because Barack Obama is 10x worse. Cap-n-trade is a BULLSHIT idea and disastrous for an already messed up economy and financial future.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:50:32pm |
re: #341 TheMatrix31
I'm sorry, but if your only argument is assertion, I can't really respond in any way to it. I'm saying that the fact that John McCain was touting cap-and-trade-- as were many other GOP members-- shows that it is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a far-left position. Your response that you don't care about McCain does not alter the fact that McCain is identified on the 'right' in this country.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:51:51pm |
re: #343 Obdicut
Okay, cool. Like I said, I'll never convince you that Barack Obama is a hardcore leftist, and you'll never convince me that he's not.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:52:25pm |
re: #340 Bagua
Since when does the US get compared with Socialist Europe? That is a false comparison.
Call Hard Left purple, for all I care. Just word games. Everyone sees the current Obama/Pelosi/Reid triumvirate as hard left. Deal with it.
So is the UK a Socialist nation these days?
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:53:14pm |
re: #337 Obdicut
That's not an argument. Just an assertion. And it's all wet.
re: #328 cliffsterSay, something calling for a nationalization of the prison system, a fully-funded public option, nationalization of the energy industry or hyper-regulation of it, ending welfare limits, raising taxes to what they were before Reagan, passing a law mandating gay marriage instead of hiding behind the courts-- you know, positions that were far to the left.
The Democrats don't have the balls to be hard left.
There's always something more to the left, just as there is always something more to the right. Like arguing how many angles can dance on a pin.
Call it what you want to call it, I call Obama/Pelosi/Reid a hard left posse.
I agree there are positions even more despicably leftist than theirs, they are trying their best, don't be too harsh on them.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:56:10pm |
re: #346 Bagua
There's always something more to the left, just as there is always something more to the right. Like arguing how many angles can dance on a pin.
Call it what you want to call it, I call Obama/Pelosi/Reid a hard left posse.
I agree there are positions even more despicably leftist than theirs, they are trying their best, don't be too harsh on them.
Here's a question, what would a moderately left government do?
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:56:20pm |
re: #345 jamesfirecat
So is the UK a Socialist nation these days?
The UK? They are now a provincial region of the EU, most certainly a form of Socialism, though not identical to the USSR. Rule by international, unelected elites is the hallmark of the new European Socialism. Now dipping its toe in the US political pool.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:59:01pm |
re: #348 Bagua
The UK? They are now a provincial region of the EU, most certainly a form of Socialism, though not identical to the USSR. Rule by international, unelected elites is the hallmark of the new European Socialism. Now dipping its toe in the US political pool.
Well I've got no snappy comeback for that (mainly because I'm busy trying to pick my jaw up off the floor, how do the rest of you lizards feel about that statement?
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:59:14pm |
re: #347 jamesfirecat
Here's a question, what would a moderately left government do?
Negotiate with the other side and follow a bipartisan agenda on massive proposals that permanently change the country. That would be a start.
But wait and see, either tomorrow or next November we will all observe what a more moderate left government looks like without the ability to silence debate.
BBL to gloat some more.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 19, 2010 4:01:15pm |
re: #348 Bagua
I can't tell if that's Poe's law, or you're serious. That could be an excellent parody of an incredibly fatuous position.
BBL to gloat some more.
Oh, okay. That's what you're in this for. Got it.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 4:01:17pm |
re: #350 Bagua
Negotiate with the other side and follow a bipartisan agenda on massive proposals that permanently change the country. That would be a start.
But wait and see, either tomorrow or next November we will all observe what a more moderate left government looks like without the ability to silence debate.
BBL to gloat some more.
Umm... you just suggested a method for what a moderate left government would do, but you didn't talk about what they would actually do.
You only suggested the means (bipartisan negotiation) not the end, and I think everyone can agree the ends tend to matter more.
So what would a moderately left government try to do? Not how would they try to do it?
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 4:02:30pm |
re: #349 jamesfirecat
Well I've got no snappy comeback for that (mainly because I'm busy trying to pick my jaw up off the floor, how do the rest of you lizards feel about that statement?
Do you know anything about the UK and the EU? If your jaw has dropped from reading my observation, you are obviously not up on current realities across the pond where 80% or more of all UK legislation comes from the unelected Eurocrats. the UK parliament is a rubber stamp at this point, they discuss nothing of great importance and the chambers are mostly empty.
We can continue this interesting side discussion another time.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 4:04:46pm |
re: #351 Obdicut
I can't tell if that's Poe's law, or you're serious. That could be an excellent parody of an incredibly fatuous position.
Oh, okay. That's what you're in this for. Got it.
Ha, Fatuous! Always quick with the insults on subject you have limited knowledge on.
Rather, it is your response that is fatuous.
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harrylook Tue, Jan 19, 2010 4:13:27pm |
FWIW, I know several Democrats here in Mass. voting Brown today. One is a member of her local Democratic Town Committee! Their thinking: we're still unemployed and losing our homes while the Democrats bail out the rich - Obama lied.
Most Bay Staters are unenrolled voters, and those independent votes are going heavily for Brown.
One side is motivated. The other is not. Brown will win.
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Ericus58 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 4:16:09pm |
Hello everyone, back on at home. The popcorn is being prepared, and the beverage is toned down to coffee with some Irish cream in it - a head cold is making it's way into existence (weeping eye, low-grade headache and sneezing) so I took some Alka-seltzer plus.
Now only if I had some of the good clam chowder... ;)
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DaddyG Tue, Jan 19, 2010 4:29:32pm |
re: #356 Ericus58
Now only if I had some of the good clam chowder... ;)
On a trip to Boston for a conference (in my corporate days when those were paid for) a local Beantown colleague proudly took us to his favorite chowder house where they served "the worlds best clam chowder". It was an enjoyable bowl but soon afterward a dozen of us who were treated to it came down with a nasty case of food poisoning. I've never looked at chowder the same since.
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hokiepride Tue, Jan 19, 2010 5:51:33pm |
Hope Brown wins and brings down the Dems arrogance a notch or two. No supermajority = Dems have to work with the repubs as Obama promised during his campaign. Plus many far-right types call Brown a RINO, one more reason to support him.
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Dr. Shalit Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:10:33pm |
Everyone -
It is over! Congratulate US Senator Scott Brown, (R) MA. That is all.
-S-
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:20:47pm |
re: #7 deeezle
I am still trying to figure out how a Democrat could possibly lose Teddy Kennedy's old seat in Massachusetts.
Have you heard Martha Coakley speak? She is the blandest politician I have ever seen. As I said the other night, she has as much personality as a slice of white bread with no crust.
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Odahi Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:27:41pm |
Now, we'll see about "bi-partisanship." Will the Democrats try to gain support from a Republican senator or two, or will they try some other way of passing this bill? Why should they even try bi-partisanship? If they couldn't pass this with 60 votes, a filibuster-proof majority, how can they pass it now? They OWN this bill, they had the votes, no Republican could stop it. Nice move, Dems. Lose the most important opportunity you've had in decades.
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Kiernan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:28:42pm |
Massachusetts was the only state, during the impeachment of Nixon, able to say, "Don't blame me, I'm from Massachusetts!", meaning that they were the only state that voted for McGovern, in 1972.
When we talk about the Peoples Republic of Cambridge, we are not talking about tea baggers, out-of-state creationists or people that deny global warming.
We don't need people to tell us how to vote, Massachusetts is full or really smart people. Now, there are also people here like John F-ing Kerry.
Electing Brown by 7 points (or more) has nothing to do with Fox News,
Vlaams Belang, or survivalists in Idaho.
It is simply a sign that smart people here realize that our state, and maybe the nation too, needs a little balance.
So, lift a toast to the people here, that came out to vote in the rain and the snow, in record numbers. Because we made the right choice!!
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Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:32:42pm |
re: #44 marjoriemoon
And the people are Dems!
Coakley will be the winner. I GARR-AN-TEEE!!!
What was that you were going off about?
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Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:34:08pm |
re: #362 _RememberTonyC
Have you heard Martha Coakley speak? She is the blandest politician I have ever seen. As I said the other night, she has as much personality as a slice of white bread with no crust.
She reminds me of Kathleen Sebelius.
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Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:41:07pm |
re: #44 marjoriemoon
And the people are Dems!
Coakley will be the winner. I GARR-AN-TEEE!!!
I had to come back to the thread and find your post for an upding for providing some of us with a smile. Thanks, appreciate it.
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jpkoch Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:38:42am |
This just goes to show you that even the wine and Bree crowd are capable of voting GOP -especially if they are unemployed.
On a more serious note Brown's election underscored the point that this nation is still governed between the 40 yard lines. When you remove the rhetoric and spin, most voters ultimately want their national government to be competent and sober. They rejected the GOP circa 2006-2008 because they lacked the former; they are rejected the Democrats now because they lacked the later.
It remains to be seen whether the President will attempt to triangulate his way out of this mess (of his own making) a la Bill Clinton/Dick Morris. I tend to think not. President Clinton was a totally different political type. Besides, at least for the next 12 months, the Dems still hold near super-majorities. My thinking is the WH will re-group and attempt one least political surge at Obama Care. Their thinking will be that this will be their final opportunity, and it will probably not come around again in their lifetime.
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