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Another name for this might be “Rhinovirus Open Thread,” because I’m under attack by the dreaded common cold. Posts will be a little sporadic until I get rid of this sinus headache…
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darthstar Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:30:31pm |
Of all the "cures" for the common cold that don't actually work, a warm glass of milk with a shot of whiskey in it is my favorite. I'm guessing mom made it to put us to sleep when we were fussy.
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wrenchwench Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:32:46pm |
re: #1 darthstar
Last time I had a shot of whiskey before I went to bed with a cold, I woke up the next morning with a cold and a hangover.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:33:47pm |
re: #2 wrenchwench
Last time I had a shot of whiskey before I went to bed with a cold, I woke up the next morning with a cold and a hangover.
A two-fer!
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:33:56pm |
I just spent most of the last week blowing what appeared to be spoiled cream of chicken soup out of my nose. Probably had breath that could stop a charging rhino, too, but the dog was polite enough not to mention it.
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MrSilverDragon Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:34:02pm |
re: #1 darthstar
Of all the "cures" for the common cold that don't actually work, a warm glass of milk with a shot of whiskey in it is my favorite. I'm guessing mom made it to put us to sleep when we were fussy.
Personally, I'd be hesitant to do that as I'd think the alcohol would curdle the milk... I'm thinking "cement mixer" (which is a nasty drink I do not recommend).
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:35:10pm |
re: #4 negativ
I just spent most of the last week blowing what appeared to be spoiled cream of chicken soup out of my nose.
Gotta make sure you check those expiration dates!
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darthstar Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:35:29pm |
re: #2 wrenchwench
Last time I had a shot of whiskey before I went to bed with a cold, I woke up the next morning with a cold and a hangover.
It was probably the seventh or eighth shot that did it...the rest were harmless, I assure you.
/
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researchok Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:35:59pm |
Grandma's cure:
1-2 cups red wine, brought to scalding.
Drink as quickly as possible.
Loosly wrap scarf around neck.
Sleep for a couple of hours.
Works every time.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:36:00pm |
re: #2 wrenchwench
Last time I had a shot of whiskey before I went to bed with a cold, I woke up the next morning with a cold and a hangover.
It's even worse if you take Nyquil or other cold medicines with the whiskey. Blah.
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:36:23pm |
When the kids were in car seats my wife gave them some carsickness medicine before an interstate trip. She bit the tablets in two so she and the kids were all knocked out for about 6 hours. One boy (4 at the time) had the opposite reaction and chatted non-stop through two states. By the time the rest of the family woke up I was ready for a rubber room.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:36:30pm |
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:37:00pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:37:28pm |
re: #5 MrSilverDragon
Personally, I'd be hesitant to do that as I'd think the alcohol would curdle the milk... I'm thinking "cement mixer" (which is a nasty drink I do not recommend).
In the James Baldwin story Sonny's Blues, Sonny sips scotch and milk while playing the piano. I tried making a scotch and milk once and was a waste of both liquids.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:38:31pm |
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:39:24pm |
re: #11 TheMatrix31
"We've got to spend our way out of this recession." Ranks right up there with "I believe it is peace for our time." and "I didn't know it was loaded." IMO
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:39:58pm |
re: #11 TheMatrix31
Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.), the House majority whip, said that trying to find greater savings in the budget, which was released by President Barack Obama this morning, wouldn't help alleviate the recession.
"We've got to make some decisions here as to what's in the best interests of our country going forward," Clyburn said during an appearance on Fox News. "And I think the best interest is to invest in education, control these deficits, while at the same time trying to get people back to work."
"We're not going to save our way out of this recession," the majority whip added. "We've got to spend our way out of this recession, and I think most economists know that."
SNIP
I'm about to laugh myself silly.
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:40:28pm |
re: #14 MandyManners
LGF has a virus?!
"Language is a virus from outer space." -William S. Burroughs
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RadicalModerate Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:40:44pm |
re: #5 MrSilverDragon
Personally, I'd be hesitant to do that as I'd think the alcohol would curdle the milk... I'm thinking "cement mixer" (which is a nasty drink I do not recommend).
Oh come on now. A 50/50 mix with Irish cream with lime juice floated on top?
What's not to love? *shudder*
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:40:49pm |
re: #11 TheMatrix31
Hi TheMatrix31! Thanks for that link. I guess the best person to answer Clyburn's assertion is this guy:
We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work ... After eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started ... And an enormous debt to boot!
- Henry Morgenthau
Treasury Secretary under FDR, after 2 terms of FDR's "New Deal".
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:40:51pm |
re: #15 Guanxi88
It's just this stomach thing the kids are passing around.
Thank goodness we don't get those things.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:41:00pm |
Best seller!
Sarah Palin Uses PAC to Buy Her Own Book
Political Action Committee Paid More than $60,000 for Copies of 'Going Rogue' in Late 2009
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:41:36pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:42:10pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:44:00pm |
re: #24 MandyManners
But I was going into Toshi station to pick up some power converters!
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:44:06pm |
re: #19 DaddyG
"Language is a virus from outer space." -William S. Burroughs
The Word is the virus that made a Man out of an Ape and killed the Ape in the process. It ahs gone on to mutate and become a deadly virulent infection.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:44:26pm |
re: #28 Guanxi88
The Word is the virus that made a Man out of an Ape and killed the Ape in the process. It ahs gone on to mutate and become a deadly virulent infection.
SO says burroughs.
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:45:20pm |
re: #28 Guanxi88
The Word is the virus that made a Man out of an Ape and killed the Ape in the process. It ahs gone on to mutate and become a deadly virulent infection.
6000 years of fine literature reduced to a Twitter. Congratulations!
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:46:02pm |
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:46:22pm |
re: #30 DaddyG
6000 years of fine literature reduced to a Twitter. Congratulations!
Do you think I should enter the Summarizing Proust competition:
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:47:30pm |
re: #33 Guanxi88
Do you think I should enter the Summarizing Proust competition:
[Video]
Heh. How about:
Remembrance of Things Past.
Went to sleep. Had a dream. Woke up. The rest is murky.
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Jack Burton Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:48:35pm |
re: #27 Mad Al-Jaffee
But I was going into Toshi station to pick up some power converters!
"You can waste time with your friends when your chore are done."
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:49:04pm |
re: #32 darthstar
That is the classic "Mom I'm bored silly and my spine is about to turn to jelly" look.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:49:14pm |
re: #25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It actually does make sense. Much of the spending is on tax cuts and incentives for businesses to hire. The cost of not doing anything to help the economy is too much. Any responsible president would be doing more or less the same thing now. The only person who would actually let the economy collapse is Ron Paul. Even Sarah Palin would probably have enough sense to listen to her economic advisers.
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TDG2112 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:50:21pm |
Zycam or Cold Eeze. Read the directions and follow them (no citrus juice, suck on them every 4 hours (or more frequently)). I've found that if I start in on the Cold Eeze as soon as I even think I have a cold I am only sick for a day. It's like Tama Flu though- don't bother if you've had symptoms for more than 48 hours. Start taking it within hours of coming down with a cold and you'll wake up good the next morning. Within 24 -48 hours, and you'll be sick 3-5 days instead of 7-10.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:50:32pm |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:50:32pm |
re: #21 subsailor68
Hi TheMatrix31! Thanks for that link. I guess the best person to answer Clyburn's assertion is this guy:
We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work ... After eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started ... And an enormous debt to boot!
- Henry Morgenthau
Treasury Secretary under FDR, after 2 terms of FDR's "New Deal".
"People come to Washington believing it's the center of power. I know I did. It was only much later that I learned that Washington is a steering wheel that's not connected to the engine." ~Richard Goodwin
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:51:41pm |
re: #36 ArchangelMichael
Robot Chicken did a parody of that scene, and it turns out Toshi Station is some kind of club, and power converters are girls or hookers.
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:52:42pm |
re: #38 Killgore Trout
The cost of not doing anything to help the economy is too much.
...and the quantifiable ROI on Trillions of tax dollars the next three generations of Americans are on the hook for is?
Any responsible president would be doing more or less the same thing now.
I vote for less. Much less.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:52:44pm |
re: #43 Aceofwhat?
A tax cut is spending?
Of course it is. Every penny that your and my betters condescend to permit to go untaxed is nothing less than a perfect demonstration of their largesse.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:53:04pm |
re: #39 TDG2112
Zycam or Cold Eeze. Read the directions and follow them (no citrus juice, suck on them every 4 hours (or more frequently)). I've found that if I start in on the Cold Eeze as soon as I even think I have a cold I am only sick for a day. It's like Tama Flu though- don't bother if you've had symptoms for more than 48 hours. Start taking it within hours of coming down with a cold and you'll wake up good the next morning. Within 24 -48 hours, and you'll be sick 3-5 days instead of 7-10.
Quite true, and the only cold medicine that doctors will stand behind (my doctor/mother being one of them), but you have to start right at the beginning of the cold to have the desired impact.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:53:28pm |
re: #45 Guanxi88
Of course it is. Every penny that your and my betters condescend to permit to go untaxed is nothing less than a perfect demonstration of their largesse.
well said
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:54:17pm |
re: #46 Aceofwhat?
I started taking Mucinex the day after my cold hit. On anti-biotics, to kill the germies, but, I swear, they Mucinex worked on my chest in a matter of minutes.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:54:49pm |
re: #49 lawhawk
Government accounting practices 101.
Yep, everything we don't take from you is a gift to you.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:55:49pm |
re: #1 darthstar
Of all the "cures" for the common cold that don't actually work, a warm glass of milk with a shot of whiskey in it is my favorite. I'm guessing mom made it to put us to sleep when we were fussy.
Your mom gave you a shot of whiskey? She must have been realllly tired.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:56:06pm |
Bloomberg's article on the proposed budget..
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:56:41pm |
re: #49 lawhawk
Government accounting practices 101.
I know. It doesn't mean we have to incorporate that kind of nonsense into our daily vocabulary (like gift = income).
I have too high of a standard for this blog to lay the minimum standard at the government level!!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:56:52pm |
re: #51 Jeff In Ohio
You know.. that caramel colored sugar water...
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Jack Burton Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:57:10pm |
re: #42 Mad Al-Jaffee
Robot Chicken did a parody of that scene, and it turns out Toshi Station is some kind of club, and power converters are girls or hookers.
[Link: video.adultswim.com...]
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Jack Burton Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:57:49pm |
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:57:57pm |
Here is one economist (I assume from his title) and his take on the idea of government intervention in the economy:
Instead of stimulus, do nothing – seriously
Agree or disagree, there is some historical precedent for minimizing government intervention - and some historical precedent for assessing what impact previous interventions have had.
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brookly red Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:58:02pm |
re: #48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I started taking Mucinex the day after my cold hit. On anti-biotics, to kill the germies, but, I swear, they Mucinex worked on my chest in a matter of minutes.
Anyone prone to sinus issues might consider adding turnips in any form to their diet... they reduce the inflammation that can come with colds, flues & even common hay fever.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:58:41pm |
re: #43 Aceofwhat?
A tax cut is spending?
Yes, About 35% of the stimulus bill cost was tax cuts. Obama's new budget spends over $50 billion on tax cuts.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:58:51pm |
re: #56 ArchangelMichael
Crap... wrong link... it cycles.
Here: [Link: video.adultswim.com...]
That's all right - I can't watch any videos at work.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:59:31pm |
re: #59 Killgore Trout
Yes, About 35% of the stimulus bill cost was tax cuts. Obama's new budget spends over $50 billion on tax cuts.
When they "spend" on tax cuts, to whose order are the checks made?
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lawhawk Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:59:40pm |
re: #38 Killgore Trout
Much of the spending was tax cuts/incentives??? - the articles we were citing this morning pointed to a grand total of perhaps $100 billion - out of the $1.6 trillion deficit ($3.8 trillion total spending) and I'm being charitable. The spending increase proposed is 5.7% over last year's budget. We can't even keep spending at last year's insanely high deficit levels. We've got to increase the spending even more.
What these reports are indicating is that the feds are going to try and paper over still more state and local deficits by any means necessary to avoid the necessary decisions to cut spending at the local level to bring them in line with revenues. Everyone is trying to avoid having to make the tough decisions in an election year, and the President is facilitating it with this tax and spend agenda.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Feb 1, 2010 12:59:47pm |
re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You know.. that caramel colored sugar water...
I honestly don't...my mom insisted we suffer our illnesses.
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brookly red Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:00:00pm |
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:00:26pm |
re: #57 subsailor68
Here is one economist (I assume from his title) and his take on the idea of government intervention in the economy:
Instead of stimulus, do nothing – seriously
Agree or disagree, there is some historical precedent for minimizing government intervention - and some historical precedent for assessing what impact previous interventions have had.
In an ideal Free market world, nothing is precisely what the government would do.
But few politicians, either Democrat or Republican, are about to risk the damage that would be done to their party if they remained passive.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:00:34pm |
re: #11 TheMatrix31
Any economic majors who aren't Luap Nor Austrian School want to field this one? I just woke up, I don't feel like giving a history lesson right now.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:01:09pm |
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:01:51pm |
re: #68 Guanxi88
I'm telling ya': Garlic, peeled cloves. Chew on a couple when you're feeling sick, and it'll cure what ails ya.
(Also makes an effective supplement for all known forms of birth control)
chicken soup with lots of ginger, garlic, chile and cilantro.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:02:15pm |
re: #48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I started taking Mucinex the day after my cold hit. On anti-biotics, to kill the germies, but, I swear, they Mucinex worked on my chest in a matter of minutes.
Antibiotics only work if you have bacteria to be killed. A virus won't even notice that you took them...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:02:25pm |
re: #57 subsailor68
Here is one economist (I assume from his title) and his take on the idea of government intervention in the economy:
Instead of stimulus, do nothing – seriously
Agree or disagree, there is some historical precedent for minimizing government intervention - and some historical precedent for assessing what impact previous interventions have had.
So you're quoting Robert Higgs.
Libertarian Anarchist. Austrian School economist.
So uh... good luck with that! Basically, this is Ron Paul's position.
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Jack Burton Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:02:49pm |
re: #68 Guanxi88
(Also makes an effective supplement for all known forms of birth control)
Because no one of the opposite sex will get anywhere near you?
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:02:51pm |
re: #69 ralphieboy
chicken soup with lots of ginger, garlic, chile and cilantro.
Yeah, ginnger's a good bet too. I recall, when I lived in one of the less fashionable neighborhoods, that the local liquor store carried flavored brandies. The ginger brandy would clear out a cold in just a few belts.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:03:25pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:03:28pm |
re: #57 subsailor68
Here is one economist (I assume from his title) and his take on the idea of government intervention in the economy:
Instead of stimulus, do nothing – seriously
Agree or disagree, there is some historical precedent for minimizing government intervention - and some historical precedent for assessing what impact previous interventions have had.
Oh yeah, and Higgs is a contributor to lewrockwell.com. Ick.
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:03:29pm |
re: #59 Killgore Trout
Yes, About 35% of the stimulus bill cost was tax cuts. Obama's new budget spends over $50 billion on tax cuts.
Tax cuts are not spending. They're tax cuts. They're reductions in government revenue. Cutting taxes and spending to "cover" tax cuts are two entirely different things.
A reduction in hog slop does not create a pig.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:03:31pm |
re: #70 Aceofwhat?
Antibiotics only work if you have bacteria to be killed. A virus won't even notice that you took them...
Oh, it was bacterial... but I'll keep Mucinex around. That's the stuff!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:04:24pm |
re: #76 SixDegrees
Tax cuts are not spending. They're tax cuts. They're reductions in government revenue. Cutting taxes and spending to "cover" tax cuts are two entirely different things.
A reduction in hog slop does not create a pig.
What a quote! I'm filing that away for later use. :D
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:04:33pm |
re: #69 ralphieboy
chicken soup with lots of ginger, garlic, chile and cilantro.
Pho! Also great for hangovers and cold weather.
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Baier Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:04:50pm |
re: #77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, it was bacterial... but I'll keep Mucinex around. That's the stuff!
Some hot soup and some Price is Right.
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:04:55pm |
re: #66 ralphieboy
In an ideal Free market world, nothing is precisely what the government would do.
But few politicians, either Democrat or Republican, are about to risk the damage that would be done to their party if they remained passive.
I think you're right. Politicians are, by nature, not long-term thinkers. Rather, their focus is on doing "something" regardless of what the unintended consequences over time might be - as their goal is the next election.
I'm not necessarily advocating doing nothing. I'm just concerned that the impact of political decisions and strategies on an economic situation can be devastating in the long run.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:05:14pm |
re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Or... you just didn't care...
Treatment was largely symptomatic, and at 8 bucks a fifth, the price was right
:)
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:05:31pm |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:05:34pm |
re: #59 Killgore Trout
Yes, About 35% of the stimulus bill cost was tax cuts. Obama's new budget spends over $50 billion on tax cuts.
Oh, you mean $50 billion that will be spent on (a) sales taxes as products are purchased, (b) payroll taxes as jobs are created, (c) income taxes generated by the new jobs, and (d) capital gains taxes.
So how much, do you think, of the $50B ends back up in the government's hands?
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:06:25pm |
re: #83 Guanxi88
Treatment was largely symptomatic, and at 8 bucks a fifth, the price was right
:)
Jack Daniels is a tier three. Nite Train is the only thing my plan will provide on a tier one. /
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pharmmajor Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:07:16pm |
Get well soon, Charles.
Or, as Demetri Martin would say, "Fuck that; get well now."
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:07:19pm |
re: #48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I started taking Mucinex the day after my cold hit. On anti-biotics, to kill the germies, but, I swear, they Mucinex worked on my chest in a matter of minutes.
Hm.
I had a cold.
Then you.
Now Charles.
Maybe I should stay away when I'm sick?
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:08:33pm |
re: #71 WindUpBird
So you're quoting Robert Higgs.
Libertarian Anarchist. Austrian School economist.
So uh... good luck with that! Basically, this is Ron Paul's position.
Hi WindUpBird! My point wasn't to promote his ideas, but simply to put them on the table. The Austrian School is, to be sure, simply one school of economics - and their positions may be incorrect. And your point is a valid one.
As I said to ralphieboy above, I'm not advocating doing nothing - but concerned about what the "something" may turn out to be.
;-)
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:08:43pm |
re: #86 DaddyG
Jack Daniels is a tier three. Nite Train is the only thing my plan will provide on a tier one. /
What, no Mad Dog 20/20?
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:09:31pm |
re: #91 Mad Al-Jaffee
What, no Mad Dog 20/20?
What are you, Rockefeller?
That's saved for company, and cut down with water when they're not looking.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:09:47pm |
re: #88 reine.de.tout
Hm.
I had a cold.
Then you.
Now Charles.
Maybe I should stay away when I'm sick?
Gives new meaning to the term "computer virus."
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brookly red Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:09:53pm |
re: #85 Aceofwhat?
Oh, you mean $50 billion that will be spent on (a) sales taxes as products are purchased, (b) payroll taxes as jobs are created, (c) income taxes generated by the new jobs, and (d) capital gains taxes.
So how much, do you think, of the $50B ends back up in the government's hands?
I don't think it ever actually leaves their hands... someone just sent me the following:
Its a slow day in a little East Texas town.. The sun is beating down,
and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and
everybody lives on credit.
On this particular day a rich tourist from back east is driving through
town.
He stops at the motel and lays a $100 bill on the desk saying he wants
to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night.
As soon as the man walks upstairs, the owner grabs the bill and runs
next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt
to the pig farmer.
The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill at the
supplier feed and fuel.
The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt
to the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had
to offer her "services" on credit.
The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the
hotel owner.
The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the
rich traveler will not suspect anything.
At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, picks up the $100
bill, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money, and
leaves town.
No one produced anything. No one earned anything.
However, the whole town is now out of debt and now looks to the future
with a lot more optimism.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how the United States Government is
conducting business today
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:09:54pm |
re: #88 reine.de.tout
shhh... I was hoping he'd forget about me...
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:10:40pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:10:59pm |
re: #17 DaddyG
re: #17 DaddyG
"We've got to spend our way out of this recession." Ranks right up there with "I believe it is peace for our time." and "I didn't know it was loaded." IMO
If you don't want to spend in a recession, you are Austrian School Ron Paul territory. I am in agreement with Keynesian school. I was under the impression that Austrian school is fringe, and more or les snot viable in mainstream economic theory.
This is stuff is way way way more complicated than "don't spend money". We're talking about a gigantic economy which already has artifical scaffolding all over it, treating a brutal popped housing bubble and a depressed job market and as something that can be righted by the purity of just "not spending money". Doesn't wash with me. Now I hve to take a shower
/I actually do have to take a shower, that wasn't a figure of speech, heh
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:11:22pm |
re: #92 Guanxi88
What are you, Rockefeller?
That's saved for company, and cut down with water when they're not looking.
I've seen some websites where people do taste tests of the cheapest booze they can find. Pretty funny stuff. I'm pretty sure there's one on zug.com.
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lawhawk Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:13:08pm |
Watch out folks... those black helicopters are soon to be arriving in the unmanned variety.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:13:09pm |
Layin' sick, honey, an in my bed
I'm layin' sick, honey, an in my bed
I'm layin' sick, honey an in my bed
I used to have some friends
But they wished that I were dead
In awful pain an deep in misery
Awful pain an deep in misery
Awful pain an deep in misery
I ain't got nobody
To come and see about me
Ev'ry dog, baby, got a day
Ev'ry dog, baby, got a day
Ev'ry dog, baby, got a day
But I said, 'Please, don't you treat me this-a way'
The doctor came, lookin' very sad
The doctor came, lookin' very sad
Your doctor came, lookin' very sad
He diagnosed my case
And said it was awful bad
He walked away, mumblin' very low
He walked away, mumblin' very low
He walked away, mumblin' very low
He said, 'May get better
But he never get well, no mo'
I hollered, 'Oh Lord, Lord, Lordy, Lord
Oh Lordy, Lord, Lord, Lord'
Oh Lordy, Lord, Lord, Lord'
I been so badly misused
An treated just like a dog
I've got a long trip
And I'm just too weak to ride
I got a long trip
And I'm just too weak to ride
I got a long trip
An I'm just too weak to ride
Now it's a thousand people
Standin' at my bedside
You take a stone
You can bruise my bone
You take stone
And you can bruise my bone
You take a stone
And you can bruise my bone
But you sho' gon' miss me
When I'm dead and gone
I been over a ocean
An I've been across a sea
Been over a ocean
An I been across a sea
Been over a ocean
And I been across the sea
I ain't found nobody
Would feel my sympathy.
-Skip James
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Obdicut Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:13:14pm |
re: #100 Obdicut
Oh, sorry, Brookly, didn't get what you were getting at. My apologies.
However, I still can't figure out what your analogy is supposed to represent. Basically, a guy stole a hundred bucks.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:13:21pm |
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Eat a couple of these, or dissolve them in hot water, and it'll make having a cold, the flu, etc., a lot easier to take.
(Keep the bag in the fridge, though - the candy gets all gooshy and sticky at room temps and is impossible to unwrap.)
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brookly red Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:13:54pm |
re: #100 Obdicut
How is that at all like taxation?
/you will notice that every one was just fine without the taxes...
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:13:56pm |
re: #103 Obdicut
Oh, sorry, Brookly, didn't get what you were getting at. My apologies.
However, I still can't figure out what your analogy is supposed to represent. Basically, a guy stole a hundred bucks.
Borrowed on a short-term, interest free basis/
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:14:01pm |
If the government had not "spent" that bailout money, there would be no money for any of us to spend.
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:14:37pm |
re: #97 WindUpBird
re: #17 DaddyG
If you don't want to spend in a recession, you are Austrian School Ron Paul territory. I am in agreement with Keynesian school. I was under the impression that Austrian school is fringe, and more or les snot viable in mainstream economic theory...
You sure read a lot into my post. Is "let's not compound the weight of our crushing debt by tripling down on it in a single year". Is that Austrian or Keynesian? /
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Political Atheist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:14:43pm |
Did anyone post about the anti missile test? The radar failed, but it was a first try at a "head on" shot like one from Iran would be. Iran is a tougher ballistic challenge than NK due to location.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:14:48pm |
re: #101 lawhawk
Watch out folks... those black helicopters are soon to be arriving in the unmanned variety.
LOL!
``optionally piloted helicopter''
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Political Atheist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:15:14pm |
re: #111 Floral Giraffe
Well that helps keep the conspiracy secret.
///
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:16:01pm |
re: #109 DaddyG
You sure read a lot into my post. Is "let's not compound the weight of our crushing debt by tripling down on it in a single year". Is that Austrian or Keynesian? /
That's heresy, and precisely the sort of attitude the President told us all, on Friday, he could not tolerate.
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Obdicut Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:16:02pm |
re: #107 Guanxi88
Yeah, fronted himself a 0% loan on his own recognizance.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:16:18pm |
re: #90 subsailor68
Hi WindUpBird! My point wasn't to promote his ideas, but simply to put them on the table. The Austrian School is, to be sure, simply one school of economics - and their positions may be incorrect. And your point is a valid one.
As I said to ralphieboy above, I'm not advocating doing nothing - but concerned about what the "something" may turn out to be.
;-)
It's all right, I'm just pointing out what HAS been put on the table. Anyone who refers to themselves as a "libertarian anarchist" I don't want anywhere NEAR the levels of the economy. But that's just me. :D
Austrian school is one school, but it's not created equal. It's been largerly moved to the fringe, and mainstream western thought has moved on from it.
This is a conservative blog, and I realize the vast majority of the posters are violently opposed to the idea of a Democratic president spending large sums of money. Economies are very complicated, for more so than the allure of a simple solution. But I believe were McCain or Romney, or really any mainstream Republican in charge (i.e. not Ron Paul And His Golden Army) they woul be spending just as much, they would be advocating for jobs bills and stimulus and spending the way out of the recession exactly the way Obama is.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:16:27pm |
re: #114 Obdicut
Yeah, fronted himself a 0% loan on his own recognizance.
It works on the larger scale, why not on the smaller scale?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:16:30pm |
re: #101 lawhawk
Watch out folks... those black helicopters are soon to be arriving in the unmanned variety.
AIRWOLF!
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:17:08pm |
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:17:32pm |
re: #106 brookly red
/you will notice that every one was just fine without the taxes...
LOL! But, but....at each step of the process, someone received income - and it appears nobody claimed it. So, the end of your story is:
Now, the hotel owner, the butcher, the feed store guy, and the guy at the co-op all went to prison for tax evasion.
The hooker, on the other hand, moved to Washington D.C., where she earned enough money from Congressmen alone to retire a very wealthy woman.
So children, the lesson here is.....
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:18:36pm |
Lots of mind reading and prognisticating going on here.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:18:40pm |
re: #109 DaddyG
You sure read a lot into my post. Is "let's not compound the weight of our crushing debt by tripling down on it in a single year". Is that Austrian or Keynesian? /
I believe the hazards of doing nothing wildly (like when the financial sector almost reduced itself into a singularity not so long ago) WILDLY outweigh the hazards of spending too much. I'm not playing politics and soundbites, I don't care about Obama's gamesmanship (I assume that's his quote you're hitting me with) I'm talking about the machinery.
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simoom Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:18:51pm |
It's interesting how quickly Andrew Breitbart reversed from putting distance between himself and James O'Keefe.
First he published O'Keefe's excuses (I'm assuming he hasn't been fired from his gig with BigGovernment so he's being paid for writing this?) and this weekend he was in my state using O'Keefe's arrest as red meat for a conservative audience:
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brookly red Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:20:04pm |
re: #119 subsailor68
LOL! But, but...at each step of the process, someone received income - and it appears nobody claimed it. So, the end of your story is:
Now, the hotel owner, the butcher, the feed store guy, and the guy at the co-op all went to prison for tax evasion.
The hooker, on the other hand, moved to Washington D.C., where she earned enough money from Congressmen alone to retire a very wealthy woman.
So children, the lesson here is...
F*** Congress?
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darthstar Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:20:13pm |
re: #118 Guanxi88
Borgnine's finest TV vehicle.
Ernest Borgnine was the Charlton Heston of George Kennedys.
We'll never see a B-list of disaster movie heroes like those three again.
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:20:21pm |
re: #121 WindUpBird
I believe the hazards of doing nothing wildly (like when the financial sector almost reduced itself into a singularity not so long ago) WILDLY outweigh the hazards of spending too much. I'm not playing politics and soundbites, I don't care about Obama's gamesmanship (I assume that's his quote you're hitting me with) I'm talking about the machinery.
The quote is mine. The sentiment of "doing nothing" is not. You are arguing with an imaginary DaddyG.
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TedStriker Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:20:28pm |
re: #117 WindUpBird
AIRWOLF!
Loved Airwolf as a kid, but I dig Blue Thunder even more. Roy Scheider versus Malcolm McDowell in a battle royale over L.A...full of win!
/also loved the hell out of Warren Oates as the Astro Division captain
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:21:40pm |
I wonder who would win in a fight between Airwolf and KITT?
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:22:00pm |
Re: John Edwards and slimeball politicians.
Politicians have always been slimeballs and probably always will be. What we need, therefore, is a politician whose slimeballery manifests in ways that extend beyond bonking groupies and taking bribes from civilian slimeballs. We need somebody whose underhandedness and lack of scruples (inevitable in politicians) will be directed toward maintaining peace and prosperity in the world. These would be such things as manipulating enemy media, tricking murderous dictators and stabbing them in the back when they aren't looking, and devising new and more fiendish ways to destroy terrorists.
Richard Nixon, though not uniformly successful as a slimeball, comes to mind as a representative example. If he were POTUS today, he might have already been to Tehran, where he would have pilfered the palace silver, stolen half their oil and all their nukes, and left Dinnerjacket happy and pleased to have been of service.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:23:01pm |
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:23:09pm |
re: #125 DaddyG
The quote is mine. The sentiment of "doing nothing" is not. You are arguing with an imaginary DaddyG.
There's that darned social component: when it gets so bad that children are going unfed and not getting educated, we have a long-term problem on our hand.
That's what it came to during the Great Depression, and the responses we came up to that situation have pretty much set the template for government intervention ever since.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:23:22pm |
re: #128 Shiplord Kirel
Re: John Edwards and slimeball politicians.
Politicians have always been slimeballs and probably always will be. What we need, therefore, is a politician whose slimeballery manifests in ways that extend beyond bonking groupies and taking bribes from civilian slimeballs. We need somebody whose underhandedness and lack of scruples (inevitable in politicians) will be directed toward maintaining peace and prosperity in the world. These would be such things as manipulating enemy media, tricking murderous dictators and stabbing them in the back when they aren't looking, and devising new and more fiendish ways to destroy terrorists.
Richard Nixon, though not uniformly successful as a slimeball, comes to mind as a representative example. If he were POTUS today, he might have already been to Tehran, where he would have pilfered the palace silver, stolen half their oil and all their nukes, and left Dinnerjacket happy and pleased to have been of service.
I still think that the Clintons are the masters fo that sort of thing. As long as we made their percentage big enough, I'd bet even money they could clean out the whole Middle East and pacify North Korea before lunch on the third day.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:24:17pm |
re: #132 Guanxi88
With Bill in there, all their daughters would be pregnant as well...
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:24:37pm |
re: #133 PT Barnum
With Bill in there, all their daughters would be pregnant as well...
There you go - long term demographic warfare.
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Obdicut Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:24:59pm |
re: #116 Guanxi88
But that's what I'm not getting. What's the analogy? What is the government doing that's the equivalent of swiping and replacing $100? Who is the dude saying the hotel rooms aren't good enough actually supposed to represent?
Hell, if anything, the government is either a guy telling you the rate is now $120 because he just increased the amount of dollars floating around in the town, or he's just a dude who takes that $100 and gives you back $80, keeping the rest for processing fees. But he wouldn't be the hotel owner of somewhere you didn't stay at-- that bit makes no sense.
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:26:16pm |
re: #131 ralphieboy
There's that darned social component: when it gets so bad that children are going unfed and not getting educated, we have a long-term problem on our hand.
That's what it came to during the Great Depression, and the responses we came up to that situation have pretty much set the template for government intervention ever since.
Yes. All government services however are not critical government services.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:26:18pm |
re: #128 Shiplord Kirel
Channel some of that energy towards MY HAPPY ENDING, DAMMIT!
That was very well done, SK, btw.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:26:30pm |
re: #135 Obdicut
But that's what I'm not getting. What's the analogy? What is the government doing that's the equivalent of swiping and replacing $100? Who is the dude saying the hotel rooms aren't good enough actually supposed to represent?
Hell, if anything, the government is either a guy telling you the rate is now $120 because he just increased the amount of dollars floating around in the town, or he's just a dude who takes that $100 and gives you back $80, keeping the rest for processing fees. But he wouldn't be the hotel owner of somewhere you didn't stay at-- that bit makes no sense.
I just take it as a funny little parable about the value of circulating currency and the perception of value in a credit economy. I don't recall any tax angle to the thing at all.
It's like you and a buddy both getting mugged. As you reach for your wallet, you hand your friend that 5 bucks you owed him. It's funny.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:27:05pm |
re: #136 DaddyG
Yes. All government services however are not critical government services.
Unless you're in the business of providing them. Then they're essential.
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:27:37pm |
re: #139 Guanxi88
Unless you're in the business of providing them. Then they're essential.
Of course I wouldn't cut my job - that is just too important. /
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:30:59pm |
re: #121 WindUpBird
I believe the hazards of doing nothing wildly (like when the financial sector almost reduced itself into a singularity not so long ago) WILDLY outweigh the hazards of spending too much. I'm not playing politics and soundbites, I don't care about Obama's gamesmanship (I assume that's his quote you're hitting me with) I'm talking about the machinery.
Executing no regulation and setting aside no expenses for a purely "stimulus" effect are in no way related. The comparison makes no sense...who said there should be an absence of regulation?
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:33:40pm |
Well all, must go. I've really enjoyed the back and forth - and I hope everyone has a terrific evening!
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Stanghazi Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:34:16pm |
re: #128 Shiplord Kirel
Re: John Edwards and slimeball politicians.
Politicians have always been slimeballs and probably always will be. What we need, therefore, is a politician whose slimeballery manifests in ways that extend beyond bonking groupies and taking bribes from civilian slimeballs. We need somebody whose underhandedness and lack of scruples (inevitable in politicians) will be directed toward maintaining peace and prosperity in the world. These would be such things as manipulating enemy media, tricking murderous dictators and stabbing them in the back when they aren't looking, and devising new and more fiendish ways to destroy terrorists.
Richard Nixon, though not uniformly successful as a slimeball, comes to mind as a representative example. If he were POTUS today, he might have already been to Tehran, where he would have pilfered the palace silver, stolen half their oil and all their nukes, and left Dinnerjacket happy and pleased to have been of service.
Does Iran/Contra fit?
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Obdicut Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:34:57pm |
re: #138 Guanxi88
Yeah, I dropped taxation out of it. But, then, the analogy works equally well for a fully private set of transactions as it does for government: it's not actually an analogy of how the government works.
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darthstar Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:35:23pm |
re: #122 simoom
It's interesting how quickly Andrew Breitbart reversed from putting distance between himself and James O'Keefe.
First he published O'Keefe's excuses (I'm assuming he hasn't been fired from his gig with BigGovernment so he's being paid for writing this?) and this weekend he was in my state using O'Keefe's arrest as red meat for a conservative audience:
[Video]
These two really are quite pathetic. O'Keefe is relying on the 'good kid' defense while calling himself a 'journalist.' Brietbart is using O'Keefe for the publicity (He had nothing to do with the actions of O'Keefe, but he's perfectly willing to get more media attention by being associated with him). Methinks O'Keefe needs a new mentor. And it's hard to believe these two are the future of the Republican party.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:35:48pm |
re: #139 Guanxi88
Unless you're in the business of providing them. Then they're essential.
Some services cannot be provided reliably by the Private Sector: police and judicial, environmental and health oversight, defense. Others are of no interest to the private sector, like space exploration.
And the Great Depression saw people lose their life savings, which had an enormous social impact: it shattered the very foundations of our capitalists system. The government then put mechanisms in place (The Fed, and Social Security, for example) to make sure that did not happen again.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:37:02pm |
Dog question for those of you who might be able to help:
I usually give my dog HeartGuard to prevent heartworms year round. She ran out last month and I haven't gotten a new supply.
Aren't heartworms spread by mosquitoes? If so, should I just keep her off the HeartGuard during these cold winter months when no mosquitoes are around?
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:37:52pm |
re: #144 Stanley Sea
Does Iran/Contra fit?
That was a most unfortunate lapse into moralism for the Reagan administration. Ron wanted to get the hostages out of Lebanon; he refused to say, start assassinating Iranian officials until they got the message; and went on to try to bribe them. The results were rather messy. Don't even get me started on Jimmy Carter's harebrained attempts to inject morals into policy.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:38:14pm |
re: #143 subsailor68
Well all, must go. I've really enjoyed the back and forth - and I hope everyone has a terrific evening!
I'm watching 24 tonight, so it should be a good one. Go Renee!
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Stanghazi Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:39:34pm |
re: #149 Shiplord Kirel
That was a most unfortunate lapse into moralism for the Reagan administration. Ron wanted to get the hostages out of Lebanon; he refused to say, start assassinating Iranian officials until they got the message; and went on to try to bribe them. The results were rather messy. Don't even get me started on Jimmy Carter's harebrained attempts to inject morals into policy.
I soooo need to re-read about this stuff.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:39:50pm |
re: #147 ralphieboy
Some services cannot be provided reliably by the Private Sector: police and judicial, environmental and health oversight, defense. Others are of no interest to the private sector, like space exploration.
And the Great Depression saw people lose their life savings, which had an enormous social impact: it shattered the very foundations of our capitalists system. The government then put mechanisms in place (The Fed, and Social Security, for example) to make sure that did not happen again.
Well, I'm with you on the services, and I'd tack on a few others.
I was just making a wise-assed remark about how everyone is pretty damned sure his job is essential, but the other guys are all feather-bedding.
As for the Great Depression, I'm not so certain the mechanisms we've got in place can do more than forestall another crisis. I'm not sure ANY mechanism could do more than that.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:40:34pm |
The moral order of the world runs aground on hay fever. Of what use is it? Why was it invented? Cancer and hydrophobia, at least, may be defended on the ground that they kill. Killing may have some benign purpose, some esoteric significance, some cosmic use. But hay fever never kills; it merely tortures. No man ever died of it. Is the torture, then, an end in itself? Does it break the pride of strutting, snorting man, and turn his heart to the things of the spirit? Nonsense! A man with hay fever is a natural criminal. He curses the gods, and defies them to kill him. He even curses the devil. Is its use, then, to prepare him for happiness to come for the vast ease and comfort of convalescence? Nonsense again ! The one thing he is sure of, the one thing he never forgets for a moment, is that it will come back again next year.
-- H. L. Mencken
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:41:02pm |
re: #146 darthstar
And it's hard to believe these two are the future of the Republican party.
Is that fear or wishful thinking on your part? OKeefe doesn't define the Republican party any more than Woodward and Bernstein defined the Democrats. In fact Woodward and Bernstein were a lot more credible from the outset.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:41:05pm |
re: #149 Shiplord Kirel
That was a most unfortunate lapse into moralism for the Reagan administration. Ron wanted to get the hostages out of Lebanon; he refused to say, start assassinating Iranian officials until they got the message; and went on to try to bribe them. The results were rather messy. Don't even get me started on Jimmy Carter's harebrained attempts to inject morals into policy.
A little Machiavellianism is sometimes called for. The foundations and bulwarks of a society are not identical to its highest values.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:41:27pm |
re: #147 ralphieboy
If i wanted to go visit a few of my social security dollars right now, where would I go?
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:42:08pm |
re: #153 The Sanity Inspector
The moral order of the world runs aground on hay fever. Of what use is it? Why was it invented? Cancer and hydrophobia, at least, may be defended on the ground that they kill. Killing may have some benign purpose, some esoteric significance, some cosmic use. But hay fever never kills; it merely tortures. No man ever died of it. Is the torture, then, an end in itself? Does it break the pride of strutting, snorting man, and turn his heart to the things of the spirit? Nonsense! A man with hay fever is a natural criminal. He curses the gods, and defies them to kill him. He even curses the devil. Is its use, then, to prepare him for happiness to come for the vast ease and comfort of convalescence? Nonsense again ! The one thing he is sure of, the one thing he never forgets for a moment, is that it will come back again next year.
-- H. L. Mencken
Replace "hay" with cedar, and he'd be a Texan.
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:43:03pm |
re: #147 ralphieboy
Some services cannot be provided reliably by the Private Sector: police and judicial, environmental and health oversight, defense. Others are of no interest to the private sector, like space exploration.
And the Great Depression saw people lose their life savings, which had an enormous social impact: it shattered the very foundations of our capitalists system. The government then put mechanisms in place (The Fed, and Social Security, for example) to make sure that did not happen again.
Outsourcing is no panacea for Government. In fact you are still left with the bureaucratic burden of accounting and oversight. However throwing money at government services is a horrible idea without a serious accounting for where it is going and how effective it is. A website totaling how much money your local park service got is not a thorough accounting.
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darthstar Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:43:05pm |
re: #151 Stanley Sea
I sooo need to re-read about this stuff.
Reagan gets credit for ending the Iranian Hostage crisis on his first day in office. Had they been released in October, Carter likely would have won a second term. The myth of Reagan is very strong indeed.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:43:12pm |
re: #158 cliffster
Handy with full height cabinets, no?
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darthstar Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:43:50pm |
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cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:43:57pm |
re: #161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Handy with full height cabinets, no?
As a teenager, he could put his stash where no parent could ever find it.
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brookly red Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:44:58pm |
re: #156 Aceofwhat?
If i wanted to go visit a few of my social security dollars right now, where would I go?
/can you get a booking on Air Pelosie?
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albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:45:17pm |
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:45:31pm |
Go to your local GNC store and buy a package of "Ultra Zinc Lozenges" and keep them handy. A box of 48 costs around ten bucks. Once you have a full blown cold, they won't help, but next time when you first start feeling the cold symptoms coming on, start using them and they can sometimes turn back the worst of the cold before you have to suffer. They also have antioxidant qualities from the zinc. I have had good luck with them over the years.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:45:36pm |
re: #148 Mad Al-Jaffee
Dog question for those of you who might be able to help:
I usually give my dog HeartGuard to prevent heartworms year round. She ran out last month and I haven't gotten a new supply.
Aren't heartworms spread by mosquitoes? If so, should I just keep her off the HeartGuard during these cold winter months when no mosquitoes are around?
heartworms are spread by mosquitoes.
However, imo, not a good idea to take the dog off of Heartgard during the winter - there are a few hardy mosquitoes that manage to survive the winter - I wouldn't worry about the month you've missed.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:46:10pm |
re: #160 darthstar
You're probably right. I was pretty young when he was elected... but he certainly can lay claim to helping a lot of people feel better about America.
I am one of millions who looked up to him and smiled.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:46:11pm |
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:46:34pm |
re: #156 Aceofwhat?
If i wanted to go visit a few of my social security dollars right now, where would I go?
We can either go back to a Gold Standard (as some advocate) or learn to live with the fact that our currency system is simply a promise that one will receive a certain amount of goods and services at a future date. The Government stepped in to act as guarantor of that promise.
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wrenchwench Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:46:36pm |
re: #160 darthstar
Reagan gets credit for ending the Iranian Hostage crisis on his first day in office. Had they been released in October, Carter likely would have won a second term. The myth of Reagan is very strong indeed.
It was the myth of Reagan that got the hostages released. The last thing Carter's negotiators tried was, "Believe me, you'd rather deal with us!"
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:46:43pm |
re: #152 Guanxi88
I was just making a wise-assed remark about how everyone is pretty damned sure his job is essential, but the other guys are all feather-bedding.
Having worked with a wide variety of agencies I have a good idea of who is cut to the bone and who could stand to lose a few million pounds. Unfortunately the waste kind of goes hand in hand with those agencies that receive matching federal funds. There is no insentive whatsoever to cut waste in those areas.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:47:20pm |
re: #167 reine.de.tout
heartworms are spread by mosquitoes.
However, imo, not a good idea to take the dog off of Heartgard during the winter - there are a few hardy mosquitoes that manage to survive the winter - I wouldn't worry about the month you've missed.
Thanks. I'll pick up a new supply from the vet this week.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:47:36pm |
Okay, so it's a cover, but it's a great bit, and tremendously insightful as a glimpse, on the small scale, of the workings of finance on the larger scale.
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darthstar Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:48:18pm |
re: #171 wrenchwench
It was the myth of Reagan that got the hostages released. The last thing Carter's negotiators tried was, "Believe me, you'd rather deal with us!"
It turns out Reagan had a more lucrative offer for the Iranians. Money talks, diplomacy walks.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:50:14pm |
re: #156 Aceofwhat?
If i wanted to go visit a few of my social security dollars right now, where would I go?
You could go see my dad. Are you near Knoxville?
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albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:51:02pm |
re: #163 cliffster
As a teenager, he could put his stash where no parent could ever find it.
as for stash...one time long ago my wife and I stayed in a cabin at the Yellow Bird Inn, on the beach in Negril...before we went to Mo Bay to fly home, I stuck my killer weed way up over the cabinets into the open soffit up there...several, maybe five years later, I was with my dad to buy my land down there...I dropped by to say hello to the old American lady that owned the place and on my way stopped at that very cabin, grabbed my old stash and was on my way, papers and all....no muss no fuss
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:52:57pm |
re: #177 albusteve
as for stash...one time long ago my wife and I stayed in a cabin at the Yellow Bird Inn, on the beach in Negril...before we went to Mo Bay to fly home, I stuck my killer weed way up over the cabinets into the open soffit up there...several, maybe five years later, I was with my dad to buy my land down there...I dropped by to say hello to the old American lady that owned the place and on my way stopped at that very cabin, grabbed my old stash and was on my way, papers and all...no muss no fuss
Er... Steve... walk slowly over to your window... peep out carefully... see the black helicopter... FEDS!
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simoom Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:53:35pm |
From the Atlanta Journal Constitution:
Georgia’s Christian right comes out against bills aimed at child prostitution
The season’s most disputed issue may have just surfaced at the state Capitol.The weight of the state’s Christian right movement just came down in opposition to a pair of bills that would steer young girls under the age of 16 into diversionary programs instead of arresting them on charges of prostitution.
...
Representatives from the Georgia Christian Alliance, the Georgia Christian Coalition, Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition, and the Georgia Baptist Convention all put in appearances. Republican candidate for governor John Oxendine appeared around the edges of the afternoon press conference, but did not speak.At issue are two separate bills, one in the House and one in the Senate. Both are sponsored by Republicans.
“Who will benefit from the passage of H.B. 582 or S.B. 304? I’ll tell you who – the very profitable and growing pedophile industry,” said former state Sen. Nancy Shafer. “It is imperative that these bills be defeated."
Former state Sen. Nancy Schaefer is president of the Georgia branch of Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum.
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darthstar Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:53:38pm |
re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
How does weed age?
Pretty well, actually. It just dries out. I found some nuggets I'd 'lost' after a few years once, and found they were still quite lovely.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:53:53pm |
re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
How does weed age?
it was perfect that time, in a small ziplock with all the air squeezed out...like anything else, it needs to be tightly sealed...if so the quality really doesn't change
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Political Atheist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:53:54pm |
re: #160 darthstar
As long as we speculate-With the hostages released and the economy as it was Reagan would have won by a lesser margin. Maybe a close one. But a loss? Nah.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:54:45pm |
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albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:55:01pm |
re: #179 Walter L. Newton
Er... Steve... walk slowly over to your window... peep out carefully... see the black helicopter... FEDS!
damn, and I have nothing to offer them....I did cross paths with the FBI one time but it didn't involve drugs
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:55:03pm |
re: #155 Guanxi88
A little Machiavellianism is sometimes called for. The foundations and bulwarks of a society are not identical to its highest values.
Nancy Pelosi's stash of booze on board an AF plane on a junket.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:55:25pm |
re: #182 albusteve
it was perfect that time, in a small ziplock with all the air squeezed out...like anything else, it needs to be tightly sealed...if so the quality really doesn't change
So you only smoked for Medical reasons ..Right?
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darthstar Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:55:30pm |
re: #183 Rightwingconspirator
As long as we speculate-With the hostages released and the economy as it was Reagan would have won by a lesser margin. Maybe a close one. But a loss? Nah.
Maybe...it was the economy that sank Bush 41.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:55:56pm |
re: #181 darthstar
Pretty well, actually. It just dries out. I found some nuggets I'd 'lost' after a few years once, and found they were still quite lovely.
that right there is always a nice thing to have happen
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:56:22pm |
re: #187 MandyManners
Nancy Pelosi's stash of booze on board an AF plane on a junket.
Alex, "what is the third costliest little perk of Madam Speaker's many junkets??"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:56:28pm |
re: #182 albusteve
So it doesn't get stronger, more mellow? Just sits there and waits on Daddy to come get it?
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albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:56:53pm |
re: #189 darthstar
Maybe...it was the economy that sank Bush 41.
yes, life in America can be stressful...I blame the feds, of course
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albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:57:18pm |
re: #193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So it doesn't get stronger, more mellow? Just sits there and waits on Daddy to come get it?
pretty much, yes
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YaYa Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:57:22pm |
YaYa is not Nancy Pelosi's kin, nor is YaYa on Ron Pauls mailing list.
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Political Atheist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:57:40pm |
re: #189 darthstar
Yeah to me it is a pocket book thing not a partisan thing.
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cliffster Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:57:50pm |
re: #190 albusteve
that right there is always a nice thing to have happen
I love reaching into my pocket and finding $20 I didn't realize was there. Reaching in and finding a bag of weed I didn't realize was there could be cool too, unless I was at the airport security counter. Or renewing my driver's license at the DPS.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:57:54pm |
re: #184 YaYa
Welcome hatchling!
How did you find LGF?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:58:06pm |
re: #188 HoosierHoops
So you only smoked for Medical reasons ..Right?
If I don't smoke it, I"ll go MORE blind!
-Simpsons
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:58:17pm |
re: #192 Guanxi88
Alex, "what is the third costliest little perk of Madam Speaker's many junkets??"
Now that I think of it..The bill for all that booze explains a lot
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Political Atheist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:58:43pm |
re: #196 YaYa
A moderate person are you?
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jaunte Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:59:05pm |
re: #201 HoosierHoops
Now that I think of it..The bill for all that booze explains a lot
Maybe all the talk about 'priming the pump?'
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:59:25pm |
re: #193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So it doesn't get stronger, more mellow? Just sits there and waits on Daddy to come get it?
I'd imagine. My guess is that any aging or what have you would be arrested by a dry, air-tight environment.
I know with 'baccy, temperature, humidity, and air circulation all play a major role in aging and mellowing the stuff out. As it comes from the field, and then when dried, it's absolutely appalling - takes some skillful handling and a bit of time to make a decent smoke outta it.
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darthstar Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:59:55pm |
re: #197 Rightwingconspirator
Yeah to me it is a pocket book thing not a partisan thing.
Cool...then there's a good chance you'll vote for Obama in 2012.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:00:14pm |
re: #196 YaYa
YaYa is not Nancy Pelosi's kin, nor is YaYa on Ron Pauls mailing list.
Oh, gosh YaYa refers to YaYa in the first person. YaYa may be a professional athlete!
HiYa YaYa!
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YaYa Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:00:25pm |
199
The young ones here talk of it and YaYa has read for some time.
Lots of info here.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:00:41pm |
re: #196 YaYa
YaYa is not Nancy Pelosi's kin, nor is YaYa on Ron Pauls mailing list.
That you, Bob Dole.
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darthstar Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:01:02pm |
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:01:09pm |
re: #180 simoom From the comments: "Last year’s change through SB 69 ensures that police will not just walk on by children being exploited on the streets. Instead, they are now required to report them as abused children so that they may be provided appropriate services, instead of treated as criminals."
Of all the serious problems we have in the state we don't need the religious right grandstanding on a bill they don't even comprehend.
Representatives from the Georgia Christian Alliance, the Georgia Christian Coalition, Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition, and the Georgia Baptist Convention all put in appearances. Republican candidate for governor John Oxendine appeared around the edges of the afternoon press conference, but did not speak.
Guess what Ox? You may want to avoid pandering to the kooks. Between this and the hunting trip without a hunter education certificate you are starting to look a bit nutty yourself.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:01:09pm |
re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, gosh YaYa refers to YaYa in the first person. YaYa may be a professional athlete!
HiYa YaYa!
That's how the Hoopster rolls...
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:01:48pm |
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:02:49pm |
re: #198 cliffster
I love reaching into my pocket and finding $20 I didn't realize was there. Reaching in and finding a bag of weed I didn't realize was there could be cool too, unless I was at the airport security counter. Or renewing my driver's license at the DPS.
The liscense bureau will only ask you if you want to take your vision test with our without medical marajuana. They print your choice on the liscense.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:02:49pm |
re: #198 cliffster
I love reaching into my pocket and finding $20 I didn't realize was there. Reaching in and finding a bag of weed I didn't realize was there could be cool too, unless I was at the airport security counter. Or renewing my driver's license at the DPS.
I used to grow it...there were always left overs around if I looked hard enough...in the loft, the basement...somewhere...btw I got through Detroit Int customs one time, dogs and all, with a huge fat splife....fell out of the fanny pack I was wearing at the time, months later...talking as long as your hand and as big as a nickle...never told my wife til years later, she would have skinned me alive
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YaYa Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:03:37pm |
Thank you for hello's YaYa must go to meeting now.
Will ask for help later date to get off on good side.
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Political Atheist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:04:47pm |
re: #193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
With all respect to some other folks experience, I find fresher is better just like anything vegetable/herbal etc.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:05:04pm |
re: #215 albusteve
I used to grow it...there were always left overs around if I looked hard enough...in the loft, the basement...somewhere...btw I got through Detroit Int customs one time, dogs and all, with a huge fat splife...fell out of the fanny pack I was wearing at the time, months later...talking as long as your hand and as big as a nickle...never told my wife til years later, she would have skinned me alive
Try flying out of Hawaii without a dog checking you out.. Glad I don't do that stuff
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:05:13pm |
re: #17 DaddyG
"We've got to spend our way out of this recession." Ranks right up there with "I believe it is peace for our time." and "I didn't know it was loaded." IMO
When are they going to start addressing the billions of dollars of fraud and waste they found in the Medicare and Medicaid programs? The excess they were going to eliminate, in order to pay for their health care plan?
Isn't that much fraud and waste something that ought to be fixed, regardless of whether it's attached to another bill or not?
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Obdicut Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:05:51pm |
re: #216 YaYa
Referring to yourself in the third person is probably going to get old really fast.
Probably faster for others than for you.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:05:55pm |
re: #180 simoom
From the Atlanta Journal Constitution:
Georgia’s Christian right comes out against bills aimed at child prostitutionFormer state Sen. Nancy Schaefer is president of the Georgia branch of Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum.
Age of Consent in Georgia is 16, by definition,they can't give consent to be a prostitute. What in the hell are they thinking trying to oppose a bill like that? It's not like the police wouldn't be *very* interested in the johns and in particular any pimps who were doing this. Last time I check there are some ... stronger laws than prostitition out there.
Sometimes I think Ghandi really was right.
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Political Atheist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:06:14pm |
re: #205 darthstar
Well he did have a Republican moment in his speech, all pro small biz and stuff. Keeping the dollar low is a strategy I understand.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:06:56pm |
re: #221 Obdicut
Referring to yourself in the third person is probably going to get old really fast.
Probably faster for others than for you.
Beats Loflyer talking like a pirate every day.. Damn that got old fast
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:07:07pm |
re: #220 SixDegrees
When are they going to start addressing the billions of dollars of fraud and waste they found in the Medicare and Medicaid programs? The excess they were going to eliminate, in order to pay for their health care plan?
Isn't that much fraud and waste something that ought to be fixed, regardless of whether it's attached to another bill or not?
Amen. In my experience on the state level the waste is most often a product of bad processes. Even more than fraud. A little old fashined employee led process improvement could go a long way towards saving Billions in Federal and State Government.
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brookly red Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:07:25pm |
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Guanxi88 Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:07:38pm |
re: #224 Rightwingconspirator
Well he did have a Republican moment in his speech, all pro small biz and stuff. Keeping the dollar low is a strategy I understand.
A weak dollar is not necessarily a bad thing - keeps imports out, and encourages exports.
The other stuff, though - blah, blah, blah. He says it, but doesn't mean a word of it.
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:08:08pm |
re: #226 HoosierHoops
Beats Loflyer talking like a pirate every day.. Damn that got old fast
Yarrrr not kidding matie. /
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:08:24pm |
re: #216 YaYa
Thank you for hello's YaYa must go to meeting now.
Will ask for help later date to get off on good side.
Face Vader you must. Your father he is.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:08:56pm |
re: #219 HoosierHoops
Try flying out of Hawaii without a dog checking you out.. Glad I don't do that stuff
a black lab walk right up to us and kept going...it was late at night with 350 off an Airbuss...that might have made a difference...tired little doggie...I would never risk such a thing and to this day cannot figure out how that J got by my cleanup routine...right in plain sight
| 233 |
wrenchwench Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:09:06pm |
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coscolo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:09:19pm |
re: #148 Mad Al-Jaffee
Dog question for those of you who might be able to help:
I usually give my dog HeartGuard to prevent heartworms year round. She ran out last month and I haven't gotten a new supply.
Aren't heartworms spread by mosquitoes? If so, should I just keep her off the HeartGuard during these cold winter months when no mosquitoes are around?
Depending on how many doses your dog has missed, vet may want to do a blood test before restarting the med. I took my old dog off heartworm preventive about six months of the year (called winter) as he required an annual blood test anyway. New dog gets it year-round. BTW, ask your vet if Heartguard med still is a tiny dot on the cube that may be lost if you dog doesn't inhale the cube. Other products are available with the med contained throughout.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:10:05pm |
re: #220 SixDegrees
When are they going to start addressing the billions of dollars of fraud and waste they found in the Medicare and Medicaid programs? The excess they were going to eliminate, in order to pay for their health care plan?
Isn't that much fraud and waste something that ought to be fixed, regardless of whether it's attached to another bill or not?
they just pretend it doesn't exist...kissing some lawyer ass there
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brookly red Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:10:33pm |
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Political Atheist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:10:36pm |
re: #229 Guanxi88
I'll approach 2012 with an open mind, and my fiscal conservatism intact. I am already unconcerned that Sarah will be on the ticket or any of the froth at the mouth creationists. Time will tell.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:10:41pm |
re: #234 coscolo
Depending on how many doses your dog has missed, vet may want to do a blood test before restarting the med. I took my old dog off heartworm preventive about six months of the year (called winter) as he required an annual blood test anyway. New dog gets it year-round. BTW, ask your vet if Heartguard med still is a tiny dot on the cube that may be lost if you dog doesn't inhale the cube. Other products are available with the med contained throughout.
She's only gotten a blood test once in the past few years because I usually keep her on it year round.
I give her the chewable kind and she wolfs it down like it was a piece of meat.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:11:07pm |
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:11:28pm |
re: #216 YaYa
Thank you for hello's YaYa must go to meeting now.
Will ask for help later date to get off on good side.
Ta ta, YaYa.
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wrenchwench Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:11:55pm |
re: #236 brookly red
all you suddenly thinking of john Kerry all the time?
unsenator for life J F'n,,,,,
Uh, no, not me!
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Political Atheist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:12:00pm |
re: #221 Obdicut
What are the odds-bad English or an affectation?
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albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:12:24pm |
re: #237 Rightwingconspirator
I'll approach 2012 with an open mind, and my fiscal conservatism intact. I am already unconcerned that Sarah will be on the ticket or any of the froth at the mouth creationists. Time will tell.
the Choice From Hell
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darthstar Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:12:28pm |
re: #239 albusteve
albusteve agrees...he's not like that
Well, you won't catch darth talking about darth in the third person.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:13:45pm |
re: #242 Rightwingconspirator
What are the odds-bad English or an affectation?
Affectation. NTTAWWT, in the www.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:13:55pm |
re: #244 darthstar
Well, you won't catch darth talking about darth in the third person.
if he does, albusteve will call him on it...he's like that
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:14:28pm |
re: #173 Mad Al-Jaffee
Thanks. I'll pick up a new supply from the vet this week.
There's one more thing - weather can get warm up enough that a good rain will bring out the mosquitoes, and you can't really predict those times.
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coscolo Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:14:36pm |
re: #124 darthstar
Ernest Borgnine was the Charlton Heston of George Kennedys.
We'll never see a B-list of disaster movie heroes like those three again.
At last report, Ernest Borgnine is 93 and still working. No more action flicks though.
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Obdicut Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:15:10pm |
re: #242 Rightwingconspirator
Affectation. Lots of idiomatic English but with articles and such removed.
I'm biased though, I friggin' hate it when people refer to themselves in the 3rd person.
I was going to end this post with a reference to myself in the 3rd person but I can't bring myself to.
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Political Atheist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:16:04pm |
re: #243 albusteve
Some sensible conservative will grab enough middle ground to get the party nod. I hope.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:16:05pm |
re: #249 Obdicut
Affectation. Lots of idiomatic English but with articles and such removed.
I'm biased though, I friggin' hate it when people refer to themselves in the 3rd person.
I was going to end this post with a reference to myself in the 3rd person but I can't bring myself to.
The Hoopster understands your plight..
*wink*
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albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:16:18pm |
re: #248 coscolo
At last report, Ernest Borgnine is 93 and still working. No more action flicks though.
I just saw him doing a C western, playing a Mexican kingpin rancher...I was mesmerized, it was so bad
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:16:51pm |
re: #248 coscolo
At last report, Ernest Borgnine is 93 and still working. No more action flicks though.
And, of course, the secret to his longevity...
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albusteve Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:17:01pm |
re: #250 Rightwingconspirator
Some sensible conservative will grab enough middle ground to get the party nod. I hope.
the Brown guy will run...bet me
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darthstar Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:19:36pm |
re: #248 coscolo
At last report, Ernest Borgnine is 93 and still working. No more action flicks though.
Good to know...thanks.
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Political Atheist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:22:28pm |
re: #254 albusteve
I would not bet against that. Unless the bet was a bottle of something we both drink. A win-win.
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:22:37pm |
re: #248 coscolo
At last report, Ernest Borgnine is 93 and still working. No more action flicks though.
I'm fairly sure that Borgnine is a Mason, and is at least 500 years old.
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middy Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:23:15pm |
I feel ya, Charles. Particularly nasty strains going around right now. I'm just getting over the bronchitis that tagged along with my little rhinovirus last week.
Take it easy, hope you feel better soon.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:25:05pm |
re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, gosh YaYa refers to YaYa in the first person. YaYa may be a professional athlete!
HiYa YaYa!
YaYa heard we count the letter "I".
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abolitionist Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:25:59pm |
re: #184 YaYa
How should a first post read?
Personally, I prefer left to right. Some on this blog may have a contrary preference. :)
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Obdicut Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:38:39pm |
re: #259 middy
We literally had four people out of a twelve person team last week.
/and I got to do two of their jobs, plus mine.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Feb 1, 2010 3:39:36pm |
re: #262 Obdicut
We literally had four people out of a twelve person team last week.
/and I got to do two of their jobs, plus mine.
{{Obdicut}} In appreciation for your hard work, you'll probably get saddled with the extra chores on an ongoing basis.
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Best of April 2024 Nothing new here but these are a look back at the a few good images from the past month. Despite the weather, I was quite pleased with several of them. These were taken with older lenses (made from the ...
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
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