Wednesday Night Music: Ben Folds Five, ‘Philosophy’

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A barn-burner performance of “Philosophy” from the first eponymous Ben Folds Five album. This song helped me through some hard times, and it packs a powerful message.

Youtube Video

Won’t you look up at the skyline
At the mortar, block, and glass
And check out the reflections in my eyes
See they always used to be there
Even when this was all was grass
And I sang and danced about a high-rise

And you were laughing at my helmet hat
Laughing at my torch

Go ahead you laugh all you want
Cause I got my philosophy
(It keeps my feet on the ground)
And I trust it like the ground
That’s why my philosophy
Keeps me walking when I’m falling down

I see that there is evil
And I know that there is good
And the in-betweens I never understood
So won’t you look at me I’m crazy
But I get the job done
Yeah I’m crazy but I get the job done

So go ahead and laugh all you want
Cause I got my philosophy
(It keeps my feet on the ground)
And I trust it like the ground
And that’s why my philosophy
Keeps me walking when I’m falling down

I pushed you cause I loved you guys
I didn’t realize
That you weren’t having fun
And I dragged you up the stairs
And I told you to fly
You were flapping your arms
Then you started to cry, you were too high

Now you take this all for granted
You take the mortar, block, and glass
And you forget the speech that moved the stone
But it’s really not that you can’t see
The forest for the trees
You’ve never been out in the woods alone

So you can laugh all you want to
But I’ve got my philosophy
(It keeps my feet on the ground)
And I love you you’re my friend
But you got no philosophy
Now it’s time for this song to end

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410 comments
1 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 6:46:22pm

Good lyrics. I can see why you like this song, Charles.

2 UncleMonkey  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 6:46:58pm

One of my all-time favorite Ben Folds Five songs. I’m absolutely with you, Charles: this song has picked me up and reinvigorated me when I’m down many a time, too.

And given your many battles with hatemongers on this site since your break with the right, it’s probably one of— if not the most appropriate song choices in weeks.

Well done.

3 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 6:54:58pm

In a similar vein, I’m reading the book Nation by Terry Prachett, and finding it one of the most moving and accurate books about coping in the aftermath of disaster.

Highly recommended to everyone.

4 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 6:56:51pm

I’m currently reading a book called “John Dies at the End”, by ‘David Wong’. Don Coscarelli, the guy responsible for the PHANTASM movies, and for BUBBA HO-TEP, described it as a mash-up between Stephen King and Douglas Adams. I’d say that’s pretty astute. I’d throw in a tiny pinch of P.K. Dick and a vague whiff of H.P. Lovecraft.

If you’re into black humor (note for the naive: “black humor” doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with Will Smith) and / or horror, you might be pleasantly surprised by “John Dies at the End.

5 prairiefire  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 6:58:16pm

He’s a very talented piano man and song writer.
“Brick” is a very honest song.

6 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 6:59:24pm

re: #4 negativ

Thank you for reminding me! I got partway in and stopped and honestly forgot the title.

Thanks so much. I hate leaving something unfinished.

7 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:01:03pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Check out Prachett’s speech on ‘assisted dying’:

part 1 of 6:
Youtube Video

use the googles for the rest.

8 UncleMonkey  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:01:25pm

Two other phenomenal Ben Folds songs (these are just solo I believe) that pack a particular emotional punch are “Still Fighting It” and “Gracie”. “There’s Always Someone Cooler Than You” is also a pretty awesome song.

9 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:02:25pm

re: #7 negativ

Thank you, I will. I really think Nation is his masterwork. Not that he can’t do more, or that his other stuff won’t be good, but this is about death and gods and dying and atheism and it’s just so bare. He’s still having fun with the language but he’s so damn serious. It’s like the best of the Vimes bits combined with the best of the Death bits, but better.

10 jaunte  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:03:58pm

re: #8 UncleMonkey

That song’s pretty funny.

Smile like you’ve got nothing to prove
No matter what you might do
There’s always someone out there
Cooler than you

I know that’s hard to believe
But there are people you meet
They’re into something
That is to big to be expressed
Through their clothes

And they’ll put up
With all the poses you throw
And you won’t even know

That they’re not sizing you up
They know your ma fucked you up
Or maybe let you watch
Too much TV

11 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:05:45pm

Anyone watch the season opener of LOST last night? Questions?

12 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:07:10pm

The in-betweens are the only thing I’ve ever understood.

13 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:07:29pm

re: #9 Obdicut


Death: Humans need fantasy to *be* human. To be the place where the falling angel meets the rising ape.
Susan: With tooth fairies? Hogfathers?
Death: Yes. As practice, you have to start out learning to believe the little lies.
Susan: So we can believe the big ones?
Death: Yes. Justice, mercy, duty. That sort of thing.
Susan: They’re not the same at all.
Death: You think so? Then take the universe and grind it down to the finest powder, and sieve it through the finest sieve, and then show me one atom of justice, one molecule of mercy. And yet, you try to act as if there is some ideal order in the world. As if there is some, some rightness in the universe, by which it may be judged.
Susan: But people have got to believe that, or what’s the point?
Death: You need to believe in things that aren’t true. How else can they become?

14 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:09:09pm

re: #11 Walter L. Newton

Does the actor who plays Jack get paid per scowl, or per word said between teeth clenched in a grimace of defiance and anger?

15 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:13:58pm

If it wasn’t for the fact that I am a thoughtful, kind and caring sort of guy, some of the customers that I encounter at the thrift store wouldn’t last 10 seconds with me in an elevator.

When someone buys a something like a used couch, it’s not one of these deals where I send an order back to the warehouse or something and the “pull” a couch for the customer.

No, I have to take a 4 wheeled appliance dolly out to the floor, tip the sofa up on its end, shove the tongue of the dolly under the edge of the sofa and then tilt the whole 8 feet of the sofa back on the dolly. This is done right in the aisle, among rows of used chairs, sofas desks, dressers and so on.

It’s amazing. You will have a customer walking down the aisle while you are trying to perform this juggling act, you, the 8 foot long sofa (a sofa/sleeper is even more fun) and a dolly… and they will look you straight in the eye and with the most sincere face, ask you “Am I in your way?”

No, you fucking idiot. You’re not in my way, if you consider the ultimate shopping experience is having this used hunk of worn junk end up slipping off this dolly and up ending itself and you ass-wise onto the floor.

Am I being too sensitive?

16 jaunte  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:15:16pm

re: #15 Walter L. Newton

Get them to issue you an airhorn.

17 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:17:58pm

I’ll never smoke weed with Willie again.

/it’s okay, Toby, I’ll take up your slack…

18 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:19:21pm

re: #14 Obdicut

Does the actor who plays Jack get paid per scowl, or per word said between teeth clenched in a grimace of defiance and anger?

All in all, the acting on LOST is considered to be better than average for this serialized type of evening show. As someone who has spent 44 years in the regional entertainment business, on a part time basis, and working on both Hollywood and MFTV shows, I know who hard it is to act in these sort of shows… these are one camera shows, so very long days, multiple set ups for the same scene, shooting up to 12-14 times for the same scene… very tight shots, LOST is really better than average, in spite of some of the typical physicality display by certain actors.

My opinion.

19 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:21:13pm

Thanks for the joy you’ve given me
I want you to know I believe in your song
Rhythm and rhyme and harmony
You’ve helped me along,
Keepin’ me strong…

Youtube Video

20 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:22:52pm

re: #15 Walter L. Newton

The attitude I try to take is, if it’s not obvious to the customer, it’s not obvious. But by all means, feel free to vent here, afterwards.

21 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:24:13pm

re: #20 The Sanity Inspector

The attitude I try to take is, if it’s not obvious to the customer, it’s not obvious. But by all means, feel free to vent here, afterwards.

Oh, you mean like the customer is always right, except when we talk about him after work.

22 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:25:53pm

re: #21 Walter L. Newton

Oh, you mean like the customer is always right, except when we talk about him after work.

We’d get perforated ulcers if we couldn’t, yes? >:^)

23 UncleMonkey  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:26:10pm

re: #11 Walter L. Newton

Anyone watch the season opener of LOST last night? Questions?

What’s with the Dharma shark? We’ve seen it twice now. In season one, Sawyer shot one of the Dharma polar bears. Does this mean Sawyer will shoot the Dharma shark? The writers better have an answer!

24 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:30:12pm

re: #20 The Sanity Inspector

The attitude I try to take is, if it’s not obvious to the customer, it’s not obvious. But by all means, feel free to vent here, afterwards.

…and there is an important distinction between large thrift operations and normal retail… production is job one, there is not so much emphasis on selling or internal marketing. It’s mainly haul from the route truck, price it, haul to the floor, haul to the customers vehicle, repeat.

I’ve spent the first 6 weeks at this store trying to clean up the image of the used furniture department, trying to make sure all the stuff is in neat rows, visible, accessible and so on.

The district manage was in the store today and I heard him say to our manager… “this is incredible…” meaning how organized the department was.

In the past, I’ve done a lot of buying and selling of used items at outdoor markets and such, and I know what it takes to properly market the stuff.

Many thrift store only care about piling as much used product on the floor hoping to move as much as possible, with no regards to what is really selling versus what is sitting for weeks and so on.

I’m trying to change that at this company.

25 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:31:44pm

re: #23 UncleMonkey

What’s with the Dharma shark? We’ve seen it twice now. In season one, Sawyer shot one of the Dharma polar bears. Does this mean Sawyer will shoot the Dharma shark? The writers better have an answer!

I suspect that was to give you a hint that the sunken Island didn’t sink, like, too terribly long ago, like maybe in 1977 when a bomb exploded, versus maybe in ancient times.

26 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:36:11pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

You’re doing a hard job, very well. You bring talent, art and experience to a hum drum job. I salute you for the effort, and the art, that you are bringing to your job. Keep up the good work!

27 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:38:03pm

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

You might like these, Walter, if I haven’t shown them to you already.

tvtropes.org

lostpedia.wikia.com

28 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:38:59pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

I hope the higher-ups appreciate you for it.

29 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:40:38pm

re: #26 Floral Giraffe

You’re doing a hard job, very well. You bring talent, art and experience to a hum drum job. I salute you for the effort, and the art, that you are bringing to your job. Keep up the good work!

Thanks… it’s so different, in regards to a “career” that I am actually enjoying the heck out of the job. I’ve always been someone who really get a kick out of learning new things.

I am working with a multi-cultural crew of men and woman, most abled, a few full time disabled, a lot of part time disabled people, and all very blue collar… it’s nice to be around real people for a change instead of the overly ruled run Department of Energy like I was doing from 1993 to 2005.

It new, different, and good exercise.

30 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:42:36pm

Cato’s apophthegm of the day:

The fate of the world has always hung in the balance; we must stop acting like we’re special.

31 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:43:39pm

re: #28 The Sanity Inspector

I hope the higher-ups appreciate you for it.

The company paid a whole lot of money for an in store ad campaign that stinks… I have connections in the corporate offices and I passed on my idea for modifying the signage… well, from what I hear, the in house marketing people are a bit excited about the idea, and they are thinking of passing the info on to the outside ad agency and see if they can run with it.

The outside agency, in my opinion, don’t have a clue about selling thrift.

We’ll see what happens.

32 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:44:02pm

re: #30 Cato the Elder

Cato’s apophthegm of the day:

The fate of the world has always hung in the balance; we must stop acting like we’re special.

you first boss…

33 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:44:54pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

One word of warning, Walter: be very nice and don’t go after anyone when proposing your changes, een if that person is being stupid. I say this because of my mother. She once went to work at an office that was quite disfunctional, but was still a tight-knit group (no, it was not in Scranton, to preempt the jokes). She tried to make changes the office desperately need (including reports that I helped write), but did so in a manner that aroused the ire of the group. Ultimately, the company let her go as she had become to disliked to be effective. From that I learned the importance of keeping your co-workers on side.

34 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:45:17pm

re: #32 albusteve

Damn you Steve! If only I had been just two seconds quicker on the keyboard.

35 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:45:32pm

re: #32 albusteve

you first boss…

That, when it comes down to any meaningful change in human affairs, is what they all say.

I rest my case.

36 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:47:03pm

“you were the most beautiful baby…the ideal young child…the most perfect understanding, and handsome adult”

albusteve’s Mom

37 simoom  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:47:50pm

If anyone’s seen the Showtime series “Dead Like Me”, this is from the soundtrack:

Métisse - Nomah’s Land
Youtube Video

38 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:47:53pm

re: #35 Cato the Elder

That, when it comes down to any meaningful change in human affairs, is what they all say.

I rest my case.

I am but a speck of lint on the sweatpants of life

39 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:49:49pm

re: #30 Cato the Elder

Cato’s apophthegm of the day:

The fate of the world has always hung in the balance; we must stop acting like we’re special.

Well, I KNOW I’m special.
I’m not so sure about you!
///must I? LOL!

40 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:50:03pm

re: #36 albusteve

What was she smoking? Know where I can get some?

41 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:50:41pm

I’ve never watched Lost, but:

theonion.com

42 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:50:42pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

Otherwise known as “Why it’s Listerine and not Semmelweistine.”

Sammelweistine was completely right that doctors needed to wash their hands between surgeries. But he was such an unmitigated asshole about it to every doctor— and thought he was right about all his theories, not just this one— that he was ignored as a crank, and we had to wait for Pasteur and Lister to rediscover it.

43 jaunte  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:50:50pm

It’s another Four Yorkshiremen evening
Youtube Video

44 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:51:03pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

One word of warning, Walter: be very nice and don’t go after anyone when proposing your changes, een if that person is being stupid. I say this because of my mother. She once went to work at an office that was quite disfunctional, but was still a tight-knit group (no, it was not in Scranton, to preempt the jokes). She tried to make changes the office desperately need (including reports that I helped write), but did so in a manner that aroused the ire of the group. Ultimately, the company let her go as she had become to disliked to be effective. From that I learned the importance of keeping your co-workers on side.

Understood… I’m getting buy in with the other 2 furniture department employees (3 of us cover a 7 day a week schedule)… we’ve been working together on improving the department.

And as far as the internal marketing in relation to the signage campaign, I took the best parts of the outside marketing companies slogans and added a modification that really better targets the various idea that we they really want the signage to convey. I figured the best way to get them to partner with us is not to discount everything they have done.

45 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:51:37pm

re: #15 Walter L. Newton

If it wasn’t for the fact that I am a thoughtful, kind and caring sort of guy, some of the customers that I encounter at the thrift store wouldn’t last 10 seconds with me in an elevator.

When someone buys a something like a used couch, it’s not one of these deals where I send an order back to the warehouse or something and the “pull” a couch for the customer.

No, I have to take a 4 wheeled appliance dolly out to the floor, tip the sofa up on its end, shove the tongue of the dolly under the edge of the sofa and then tilt the whole 8 feet of the sofa back on the dolly. This is done right in the aisle, among rows of used chairs, sofas desks, dressers and so on.

It’s amazing. You will have a customer walking down the aisle while you are trying to perform this juggling act, you, the 8 foot long sofa (a sofa/sleeper is even more fun) and a dolly… and they will look you straight in the eye and with the most sincere face, ask you “Am I in your way?”

No, you fucking idiot. You’re not in my way, if you consider the ultimate shopping experience is having this used hunk of worn junk end up slipping off this dolly and up ending itself and you ass-wise onto the floor.

Am I being too sensitive?

People who shop for furniture at a thrift store are cheap frugal bastards who are happy to watch you break your bones waiting on them.

My cheap ass brother-in-law would even try to figure out a way to steal a sofa from your store. Hey, it’s somebody’s used stuff.

46 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:52:47pm

re: #30 Cato the Elder

Everything you do has consequences for good or evil in ways that you cannot even imagine.

If the brave Union soldier boys had not fought to preserve the Union and end slavery, we would not have been there to help stop Hitler.

Only 80 years separate the two conflicts.

It is not too much to say that the Union Soldiers, and yes, the Brits and Churchill too, saved Christianity in any of its good senses.

Well goodnight

47 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:53:04pm

re: #27 Obdicut

You might like these, Walter, if I haven’t shown them to you already.

[Link: tvtropes.org…]

[Link: lostpedia.wikia.com…]

I haven’t seen TVTropes, I’ve written a number of entries for Lostpedia, and up to last year I was writing articles for Doc Arzt’s Lost Blog.

Not doing any LOST writing this year, my new job doesn’t open me up to having the needed time for deadlines.

48 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:55:15pm

re: #47 Walter L. Newton

Nifty. TVtropes is a real time-sucker. Don’t go there if you need to get to bed, you can spend hours. It’s very well-written.

49 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:56:04pm

re: #30 Cato the Elder

Cato’s apophthegm of the day:

The fate of the world has always hung in the balance; we must stop acting like we’re special.

Not bad for an ipsedixit-ism.

50 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:56:18pm

re: #37 simoom

This is a really good, one, “A Place in Time” from the show The 4400:

Youtube Video

51 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:57:34pm
52 keloyd  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:57:36pm

Negativ and Obdicut - you both have me beat. I’m “reading” the audio version of Jeeves And The Feudal Spirit - one of P.G. Wodehouse’s Jeeves and Wooster light fluffy things while I paint the house, while I wait for someone to call me back to get me a permanent job - no valuable lessons, no character development, just the literary equivalent of nice light fluffy scenery going by.

Bonus points - the main character, narrating in first person, is always trying to remember Shakespeare and only gets little bits and pieces, usually wrong, exactly the way I remember it.

Alouette - “My cheap ass brother-in-law would even try to figure out a way to steal a sofa from your store. Hey, it’s somebody’s used stuff,” - you wouldn’t by any chance have a brother in law whose name correlates somewhat with “K.E.Loyd”?

53 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:57:50pm

re: #48 Obdicut

Nifty. TVtropes is a real time-sucker. Don’t go there if you need to get to bed, you can spend hours. It’s very well-written.

Thanks… (like I need something else on the intertubes to take up more of my time :)

54 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:59:49pm

I love this song.

Yesterday morning I slipped on some ice and fell flat on my ass. It still hurts to sit for too long. To put it in LGF parlance, I’m butthurt.

55 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:59:56pm

re: #47 Walter L. Newton

I haven’t seen TVTropes, I’ve written a number of entries for Lostpedia, and up to last year I was writing articles for Doc Arzt’s Lost Blog.

Not doing any LOST writing this year, my new job doesn’t open me up to having the needed time for deadlines.

This is why I don’t talk to you about LOST, Walter. You know too much, and I don’t want to hear any well thought out speculation that ends up being a spoiler.

Also, I think you stink.

56 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:00:08pm

Shove me in the shallow water before I get too deep.

Youtube Video

57 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:00:27pm

re: #44 Walter L. Newton

Understood… I’m getting buy in with the other 2 furniture department employees (3 of us cover a 7 day a week schedule)… we’ve been working together on improving the department.

And as far as the internal marketing in relation to the signage campaign, I took the best parts of the outside marketing companies slogans and added a modification that really better targets the various idea that we they really want the signage to convey. I figured the best way to get them to partner with us is not to discount everything they have done.

Great going there, Walter. You already had anticipated that needs I described and are working to get the needed support. Smart on LGF, smart in real life; That’s our Walter.

58 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:00:55pm

Well… to bed… 9:00am here, Thur./Fri. I do second shift, so I can sleep in a bit… evenings are a little less hectic after we shut down production, I’m in the warehouse all by myself, pricing up smaller used household items… and I get a chance to actually walk the department a bit and talk to the customers.

So… night all, to bed…

P.S. Cato… did you fix that leak in your Sarah Palin blow up sex doll?

59 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:01:26pm

re: #51 MandyManners

Utterly amazing.

[Video]

too much soul…nothing new there

60 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:02:19pm

re: #58 Walter L. Newton

Well… to bed… 9:00am here, Thur./Fri. I do second shift, so I can sleep in a bit… evenings are a little less hectic after we shut down production, I’m in the warehouse all by myself, pricing up smaller used household items… and I get a chance to actually walk the department a bit and talk to the customers.

So… night all, to bed…

P.S. Cato… did you fix that leak in your Sarah Palin blow up sex doll?

Not before she outed me as a closet teabagger.

61 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:02:38pm
62 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:02:42pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

Great going there, Walter. You already had anticipated that needs I described and are working to get the needed support. Smart on LGF, smart in real life; That’s our Walter.

Thanks… yes, I can be kind of smart when I need to… here, well, I have too much fun playing so many sides of the coin, smart at times, maybe not smart at other times, but never dull…

Night DF.

63 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:02:45pm

re: #56 Cato the Elder

I had a crush on her in high school.

64 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:03:37pm

re: #60 Cato the Elder

Not before she outed me as a closet teabagger.

I thought you used the doll’s mouth for teabagging. :D

65 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:03:53pm
66 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:03:56pm

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

Thanks… yes, I can be kind of smart when I need to… here, well, I have too much fun playing so many sides of the coin, smart at times, maybe not smart at other times, but never dull…

Night DF.

Goodnight, Walter.

67 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:04:44pm

re: #65 MandyManners

You look for approval now?

I think she’s still married to Paul Simon. That’s too much competition.

68 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:05:30pm

re: #52 keloyd

Alouette - “My cheap ass brother-in-law would even try to figure out a way to steal a sofa from your store. Hey, it’s somebody’s used stuff,” - you wouldn’t by any chance have a brother in law whose name correlates somewhat with “K.E.Loyd”?

When are you going to come and tow away your piece of shit worthless undriveable car out of my driveway?

I’m going to start charging you rent for the parking space.

69 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:05:35pm

re: #56 Cato the Elder

Shove me in the shallow water before I get too deep.


[Video]

don’t care for the girl…but the band is pretty good, but sorta ho hum

70 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:07:17pm

re: #61 MandyManners

Oh, steve.

I’ve heard that song a hundred times…the more ordinary and plain it’s sung, the more I like it

71 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:10:21pm

re: #56 Cato the Elder
Youtube Video

72 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:14:56pm

Good night all. Lucky west coasters, get to stay up later…

Youtube Video

73 lostlakehiker  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:15:19pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

…and there is an important distinction between large thrift operations and normal retail… production is job one, there is not so much emphasis on selling or internal marketing. It’s mainly haul from the route truck, price it, haul to the floor, haul to the customers vehicle, repeat.

I’ve spent the first 6 weeks at this store trying to clean up the image of the used furniture department, trying to make sure all the stuff is in neat rows, visible, accessible and so on.

The district manage was in the store today and I heard him say to our manager… “this is incredible…” meaning how organized the department was.

In the past, I’ve done a lot of buying and selling of used items at outdoor markets and such, and I know what it takes to properly market the stuff.

Many thrift store only care about piling as much used product on the floor hoping to move as much as possible, with no regards to what is really selling versus what is sitting for weeks and so on.

I’m trying to change that at this company.

That’s ever so useful to the customer. We have some used furniture that’s served for decades, sturdy stuff that you keep like an heirloom even if it wouldn’t bring anything at resale.

But getting solid, serviceable used furniture is impossible if you can’t find it in the store. From the point of view of the customer who has a job and an income, the cost of used furniture includes the price of the time it takes to find what he wants.

An organized store cuts that price, which makes the money price more affordable and attractive. Even if it’s higher than at some place across town.

74 PT Barnum  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:16:24pm

Nobody’s mentioned that Ben Folds also produced the very awesome William Shatner CD “Has Been”

Oddly enough one of my favorite CDs to this day.

Great Rant from Henry Rollins and Shat

Youtube Video

75 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:16:52pm

re: #72 The Sanity Inspector

Good night all. Lucky west coasters, get to stay up later…


[Video]

geez what a mess…glad I wasn’t there

76 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:18:31pm

Try to see it my way
Only time will tell if I am right or I am wrong.
While you see it your way
There’s a chance that we might fall apart before too long…
Youtube Video

77 keloyd  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:18:32pm

re: #68 Alouette

Hmm, sounds like there are two women with very similar brothers-in-law.

78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:18:40pm

I still thank Charles for posting this forever ago as a thread music piece…

I’d never heard it before. Have heard it a hundred times since…

Cool cat lady, too.

79 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:19:49pm

When people say they have a philosophy, what they generally mean is “strong opinions”.

80 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:20:26pm

re: #76 Spare O’Lake

Try to see it my way
Only time will tell if I am right or I am wrong.
While you see it your way
There’s a chance that we might fall apart before too long…

[Video]

finally some class…I’m not into rock and roll cartoons and throwing shit at the band

81 keloyd  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:22:02pm

There’s Jon Stewart on O’reilly again, just started just now!

82 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:22:07pm

by FAR…the coolest thing Charles ever posted…here it is

Youtube Video

83 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:22:15pm

How about some literal video?

Youtube Video

84 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:22:38pm

Great song Charles. Love the little musical nod to ‘Rhapsody in Blue’ near the end.

Youtube Video

85 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:22:41pm

re: #54 Conservative Moonbat

I love this song.

Yesterday morning I slipped on some ice and fell flat on my ass. It still hurts to sit for too long. To put it in LGF parlance, I’m butthurt.

Take comfort in knowing yours will eventually heal. :)

Youtube Video

Sorry to hear that though. Slipping and falling on ice sucks.

86 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:23:37pm

re: #84 Jimmah

Youtube Video

87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:24:07pm

re: #85 iceweasel

Slipping and falling on ice sucks.

Jimmah didn’t seem to mind too much…

88 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:24:34pm

re: #79 Cato the Elder

When people say they have a philosophy, what they generally mean is “strong opinions”.

Hmmm, going to have to look up “philosophy”.
Cato, you know this,
I needed to look!
En wikipedia, for philosophy.
(makes my head hurt!)
en.wikipedia.org

89 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:25:20pm

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Jimmah didn’t seem to mind too much…


You know, I typed that and thought, how long til someone makes a joke…
Shoulda guessed it would be you! Damn that was fast.

90 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:26:11pm

re: #81 keloyd

There’s Jon Stewart on O’reilly again, just started just now!

Say what you will about Stewart, he’s not afraid to face people who don’t agree with him.

91 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:26:23pm

re: #89 iceweasel

But, he’s getting bettah!
(Bad Monty Python reference!)

92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:26:50pm

re: #84 Jimmah

“Rhapsody in Blue” is probably the single greatest piece of American music ever composed.

With Barber’s “Adagio for Strings” a close second.

93 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:27:01pm

re: #85 iceweasel

Slipping and falling on ice sucks.

I did it very gracefully yesterday, for once. Long slipping slide forward with the right foot, left leg buckling elegantly under me, butt and shoulders taking the impact. My head didn’t even touch the pavement.

Usually I end up with an ankle the size of Ahnold’s neck, and hobble around for weeks. The people who rushed out from the store were impressed with my lithe bounceback.

94 PT Barnum  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:27:16pm

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Jimmah didn’t seem to mind too much…

Pretty Polly with her skates
Went on the ice to frisk
Wasn’t Polly awfully silly
Her little *?

95 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:28:04pm

re: #86 Mad Al-Jaffee

[Video]

Impressive. Sticking with Bernstein though ;)

96 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:28:13pm

Now they’re saying we’re supposed to get 12-20 inches of snow this weekend, starting Friday. I don’t mind, but that means I either have to go shopping for Sunday tomorrow night (right before or right after rehearsal) or Saturday in the snow.

Luckily I just have to buy meat to stick in the smoker. Haven’t decided on what yet.

97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:28:13pm

Y’all have fun. I’m going to cough myself to sleep.

98 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:28:18pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

Say what you will about Stewart, he’s not afraid to face people who don’t agree with him.

I’m panting after a showdown between him and the Grifter.

99 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:28:42pm

re: #93 Cato the Elder

Glad you are safe, if a tad bruised!

100 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:28:56pm

re: #91 Floral Giraffe

But, he’s getting bettah!
(Bad Monty Python reference!)

Twas a mere flesh (and bone) wound ;-)

101 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:29:14pm

re: #98 Cato the Elder

I’m panting after a showdown between him and the Grifter.

Oh me too. That would be almost too easy though. Like shooting down a wolf from a helicopter….

102 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:29:34pm

re: #92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

“Rhapsody in Blue” is probably the single greatest piece of American music ever composed.

With Barber’s “Adagio for Strings” a close second.

“I Get Around” by the Beach Boys trumps that girly stuff

103 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:29:51pm

re: #99 Floral Giraffe

Glad you are safe, if a tad bruised!

Not even bruised. Seriously, a trained martial artist couldn’t have fallen better! Butthurt level: Icy but unharmed.

104 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:29:54pm

re: #100 Jimmah

Come back & fight like a man!

105 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:30:17pm

re: #85 iceweasel

Take comfort in knowing yours will eventually heal. :)


[Video]Sorry to hear that though. Slipping and falling on ice sucks.

I took my own slip about a month ago. The front step of my building was covered in ice and when I tried to get into my taxi, down I went. Thankfully, I got my hands out in front of me, so I wasn’t in a lot of pain afterwards.

106 windsagio  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:30:30pm

re: #102 albusteve

“Good Vibrations” too artsy-fartsy? >>

107 PT Barnum  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:30:37pm

Long as we’re showing great songs on unconventional instruments..check this guy out on ukelele..

Youtube Video

108 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:30:39pm

re: #103 Cato the Elder

Liar, your booney is going to be multicolored.
:)

109 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:30:46pm

re: #101 iceweasel

Oh me too. That would be almost too easy though. Like shooting down a wolf from a helicopter…

At least then she might have an inkling how it feels.

Oh, wait - that would presuppose imagination on her part.

110 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:31:06pm

You say you’re looking for someone
Who’s never weak but always strong,
To protect you and defend you
Whether you are right or wrong,
Someone to open each and every door,
But it ain’t me babe…
Youtube Video

111 PT Barnum  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:31:12pm

re: #108 Floral Giraffe

Liar, your booney is going to be multicolored.
:)

a black and blue moon, no doubt..

112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:31:21pm

re: #102 albusteve

Whatever…

Troglodyte.
/

113 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:31:35pm

re: #107 PT Barnum

Long as we’re showing great songs on unconventional instruments..check this guy out on ukelele..


[Video]

You think the harmonica is unconventional? Them’s fightin’ words!

114 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:31:40pm

re: #98 Cato the Elder

I’m panting after a showdown between him and the Grifter.

Sarah Palin is the Grifter, right? ‘Cause she’d never go on his show. He’d make her look like the silly twit she really is.

115 windsagio  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:31:40pm

re: #107 PT Barnum

damn, now I’m trying to think of the name of that Japanese guy who makes his own crazy analog instruments.

116 keloyd  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:31:48pm

Stewart and O’Reilly seem to be actually enjoying the battle of wits.

117 The Shadow Do  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:31:49pm

re: #96 Mad Al-Jaffee

Now they’re saying we’re supposed to get 12-20 inches of snow this weekend, starting Friday. I don’t mind, but that means I either have to go shopping for Sunday tomorrow night (right before or right after rehearsal) or Saturday in the snow.

Luckily I just have to buy meat to stick in the smoker. Haven’t decided on what yet.


What is this “snow” of which you speak?

118 PT Barnum  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:32:15pm

re: #113 Mad Al-Jaffee

You think the harmonica is unconventional? Them’s fightin’ words!

well…not what you would expect at any rate…

119 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:32:16pm

re: #106 windsagio

“Good Vibrations” too artsy-fartsy? >>

Pet Sounds was a monumental record…epic

120 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:32:28pm

re: #110 Spare O’Lake

Upding for any Dylan ref, even if not sung by him.

121 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:32:37pm

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

I took my own slip about a month ago. The front step of my building was covered in ice and when I tried to get into my taxi, down I went. Thankfully, I got my hands out in front of me, so I wasn’t in a lot of pain afterwards.

John Cole over at Balloon Juice did the same last week or so with much worse results.Sounds terrible. Had a three hour surgery this week to fix some of the damage. He dislocated his shoulder and apparently seriously tore up a lot of muscle.

Glad you weren’t hurt too much!

122 PT Barnum  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:32:41pm

re: #116 keloyd

Stewart and O’Reilly seem to be actually enjoying the battle of wits.

FTFY

123 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:32:58pm

re: #107 PT Barnum

Long as we’re showing great songs on unconventional instruments..check this guy out on ukelele..


[Video]

been posted here for years…jus sayin

124 windsagio  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:33:29pm

re: #119 albusteve

It really was something special >>

125 PT Barnum  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:33:40pm

re: #123 albusteve

been posted here for years…jus sayin

ain’t been here for years…only for a couple of months…

126 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:33:53pm

re: #112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whatever…

Troglodyte.
/

taken…

127 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:34:18pm

re: #125 PT Barnum

ain’t been here for years…only for a couple of months…

no…look it up

128 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:34:22pm

re: #119 albusteve

Pet Sounds was a monumental record…epic

Love it! Agreed!
Youtube Video

129 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:34:28pm

re: #102 albusteve

“I Get Around” by the Beach Boys trumps that girly stuff

The bad guys like us,
So they leave us alone…

130 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:34:44pm

re: #121 iceweasel

Yes, Jimmah got lucky with his fall, too.
It’s repairable.
Just takes a little work.And jogging crampons!

Hope you are well today?

131 windsagio  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:34:51pm

re: #119 albusteve

You a “Pet Sounds” or “Sgt Pepper” man?

132 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:35:49pm

Skeet Surfin’!

133 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:36:10pm

re: #92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

“Rhapsody in Blue” is probably the single greatest piece of American music ever composed.

With Barber’s “Adagio for Strings” a close second.

Appalachian Spring is my second: Can’t find any great versions on youtube just now, this will have to do - not too bad though, I think :

Youtube Video

134 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:36:33pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

Sarah Palin is the Grifter, right? ‘Cause she’d never go on his show. He’d make her look like the silly twit she really is.

The Grifta from Wasilla. Ice’s coinage, I believe.

My favorite is still “Bible Spice”.

135 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:36:34pm

re: #130 Floral Giraffe

Yes, Jimmah got lucky with his fall, too.
It’s repairable.
Just takes a little work.And jogging crampons!

Hope you are well today?

Yep! Still have this cold, but it’s just tiring me out really— doesn’t sound as bad as what FBV and reine and others have suffered with. Thanks for asking!

How are you??

136 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:36:35pm

re: #120 Cato the Elder

Upding for any Dylan ref, even if not sung by him.

folks around here don’t seem to particularly like Dylan…a few of us but not that many…never could figure that out

137 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:37:08pm

Because you should ALWAYS have fun!
Youtube Video

138 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:37:13pm

W00t. I attached new style template to 9 volumes of The Occident (1843-1851)

Have just a few more issues and then I have to start scanning in more microfilm.

This is the free historical archive that comes with the Zionist Mall.

139 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:37:22pm

re: #131 windsagio

You a “Pet Sounds” or “Sgt Pepper” man?

yes, for sure

140 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:38:07pm

Good night all. (I’m back on Eastern Standard Time)

141 windsagio  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:38:07pm

re: #136 albusteve

yeah that’s kinda mindblowing.

re: #139 albusteve

yes, for sure

lol good answer :)

142 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:38:17pm

re: #135 iceweasel

Check yer SOROSmail.

143 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:38:20pm

re: #136 albusteve

folks around here don’t seem to particularly like Dylan…a few of us but not that many…never could figure that out

I’m a huge Dylan fan. He’s pretty much the reason I first wanted to learn the harmonica. Luckily, I soon discovered the blues after I started playing.

144 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:38:46pm

re: #134 Cato the Elder

The Grifta from Wasilla. Ice’s coinage, I believe.

My favorite is still “Bible Spice”.

I like that one too.

145 prairiefire  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:39:01pm

re: #136 albusteve

“Blood On The Tracks” is an all time great album.

146 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:39:12pm

re: #129 Spare O’Lake

The bad guys like us,
So they leave us alone…

heh…yup…those guys were pure American genius

147 PT Barnum  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:39:14pm

re: #127 albusteve

I’m saying I haven’t been here for more than a couple of months…I’ve seen things posted that I’ve seen before and other things I’ve never heard of…always appreciate someone telling me about something new..so not a big whoop, IMHO.

148 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:39:19pm

re: #136 albusteve

folks around here don’t seem to particularly like Dylan…a few of us but not that many…never could figure that out

Dylan actually wrote poetry, then put it to music. Good poetry, good music. Many heads can’t handle that much good.

149 windsagio  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:39:34pm

re: #143 Mad Al-Jaffee

The Dylan version of Mr. Tambourine Man is way cooler than the Byrds version >>

150 PT Barnum  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:39:47pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

I like that one too.

I still like Caribou Barbie the best.

151 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:39:54pm

re: #145 prairiefire

“Blood On The Tracks” is an all time great album.

It’s a great one, but for me it’s a tie between Bringing it all Back Home and Highway 61 Revisited.

152 PT Barnum  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:40:09pm

g’nite all…

153 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:40:26pm

re: #143 Mad Al-Jaffee

I’m a huge Dylan fan. He’s pretty much the reason I first wanted to learn the harmonica. Luckily, I soon discovered the blues after I started playing.

Dylan, of course, was there before you. Like a Kilroy cartoon peering over the wall.

154 windsagio  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:40:27pm

re: #152 PT Barnum

peace, PT!

155 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:40:27pm

re: #143 Mad Al-Jaffee

I’m a huge Dylan fan. He’s pretty much the reason I first wanted to learn the harmonica. Luckily, I soon discovered the blues after I started playing.

we will always have each other….{D}

156 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:41:16pm

re: #145 prairiefire

“Blood On The Tracks” is an all time great album.

got it packed for my road trip tomorrow….never leave home without it

157 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:42:00pm

re: #153 Cato the Elder

Dylan, of course, was there before you. Like a Kilroy cartoon peering over the wall.

Of course, but what I meant is I’m glad I got into folks like Big Walter and Sonny Terry when I got into learning the harmonica instead of just wanting to sound like Dylan.

A lot of blues players hate his harmonica playing, but I think it’s perfect for his music, and a lot more complex than the haters realize.

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:42:11pm

re: #133 Jimmah

Copeland was great… Barber and Gershwin just hit me in a spot a bit more visceral.

159 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:42:19pm

WTF is going on with the Facebook game Farmville? First it was swastika crop circles, and now the message:

Wayne is movin’ on up in FarmVille!
Wayne attained the level of Killer Tiller in FarmVille!

Something is fucked up about that game.

160 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:42:27pm

re: #151 Mad Al-Jaffee

It’s a great one, but for me it’s a tie between Bringing it all Back Home and Highway 61 Revisited.

I love Highway 61 Revisited. “It takes a lot to laugh, it takes a train to cry” remains one of my favorite blues songs.

161 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:42:35pm

re: #142 Cato the Elder

Check yer SOROSmail.

Done, C.A.T.O! Initiating return sequence….

162 windsagio  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:42:48pm

re: #159 Alouette

sounds like hackers >>

163 prairiefire  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:43:09pm

re: #156 albusteve

Have fun and be safe. I was glad to read that you are feeling better. Eat lots of tacos.

164 The Shadow Do  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:43:23pm

re: #136 albusteve

folks around here don’t seem to particularly like Dylan…a few of us but not that many…never could figure that out

Dylan = God (of my youth of course). May well still be.
Name a modern pop music artist with more oomph/impact. (no bleedin’ Beatles citations please). Close second place belongs to the Beach Boys in my book. Influential and new.

165 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:43:38pm

Breitbart’s raging at me on Twitter, which comes as no surprise.

Oh cute. Charles Johnson - Mr. Little Green Fact Checker himself- is spreading the lies! tinyurl.com @lizardoid

166 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:43:39pm

re: #147 PT Barnum

I’m saying I haven’t been here for more than a couple of months…I’ve seen things posted that I’ve seen before and other things I’ve never heard of…always appreciate someone telling me about something new..so not a big whoop, IMHO.

I have posted every kind of music imaginable since I’ve been here…I was the only person that posted youtubes for the longest time….check the old FNDT…it’s all there

167 windsagio  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:44:07pm

re: #164 The Shadow Do

Nirvana.


Impact/oomph isn’t necessarily the best criteria tho :p

168 prairiefire  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:44:19pm

re: #165 Charles

He’s frothing and foaming. What a deranged man.

169 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:44:23pm

re: #162 windsagio

sounds like hackers >>

I think it’s clueless Facebook players, and foreign programmers who do not understand the implications of some of the titles they make up.

170 The Shadow Do  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:44:33pm

re: #148 Cato the Elder

Dylan actually wrote poetry, then put it to music. Good poetry, good music. Many heads can’t handle that much good.

He was a serious student of folk music. It shows.

171 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:45:12pm

A more modern (but still classic) Dylan video before I sign off.

Youtube Video

172 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:45:19pm

re: #151 Mad Al-Jaffee

It’s a great one, but for me it’s a tie between Bringing it all Back Home and Highway 61 Revisited.

Sample of Dylan from the latter album and song:

Oh God said to Abraham, “Kill me a son”
Abe says, “Man, you must be puttin’ me on”
God say, “No.” Abe say, “What?”
God say, “You can do what you want Abe, but
The next time you see me comin’ you better run”
Well Abe says, “Where do you want this killin’ done?”
God says, “Out on Highway 61.”

Not only did young Robert know his Bible, he knew his Kierkegaard too.

And his influence on hip-hop music is still to be properly appreciated.

173 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:45:46pm

re: #148 Cato the Elder

Dylan actually wrote poetry, then put it to music. Good poetry, good music. Many heads can’t handle that much good.

pretty much nails it…and when the music wasn’t too good, his stuff has been covered endlessly…he doesn’t give a shit

174 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:45:47pm

re: #165 Charles

Breitbart’s raging at me on Twitter, which comes as no surprise.

Wow, he’s been melting down for hours. It’s starting to look kinda sad.

175 windsagio  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:46:01pm

re: #169 Alouette

oh its all user-generated content?

don’t know the game at all, sorry~

sounds like they just need some good moderation then :)

176 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:46:07pm

re: #172 Cato the Elder

I love Johnny Winter’s cover of that one.

177 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:46:20pm

re: #102 albusteve

“I Get Around” by the Beach Boys trumps that girly stuff

Let’s see if you have the sheer testosterone required to handle the Shop Assistants:

Youtube Video

178 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:47:07pm

re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Copeland was great… Barber and Gershwin just hit me in a spot a bit more visceral.

Wilson was every bit as good, if not even better

179 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:48:03pm

re: #163 prairiefire

Have fun and be safe. I was glad to read that you are feeling better. Eat lots of tacos.

thank you…off tomorrow for Mexico

180 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:48:20pm

re: #165 Charles

Breitbart’s raging at me on Twitter, which comes as no surprise.

Not a surprise. Once again, ice and Jimmah come through with the video of Breitbart’s latest meltdown:

Youtube Video

181 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:48:20pm

re: #156 albusteve

got it packed for my road trip tomorrow…never leave home without it

Another must-bring album for the road: Springsteen’s “Nebraska”. I listened to it three times straight through on my way through Ohio and Pennsy Monday.

182 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:48:38pm

re: #168 prairiefire

He’s frothing and foaming. What a deranged man.

It was nice of him to include a link to Charles’s post though. Now even more people will see it! Well played, Andy. *golf-clap*

He’s been losing it. Looks like he’s tweeted something every 3 minutes for the last several hours. Now he’s demanding even more people write about him:


Where’s @ericboehlert & @mmfa!? Curiously missing from OKeefe-Manned-Racist-Lit-Table-Gate! 15 minutes ago from web

Wow. Come down off the cross, we could use the wood. (Tom Waits reference folks)
Youtube Video

183 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:49:09pm

re: #181 Cato the Elder

Another must-bring album for the road: Springsteen’s “Nebraska”. I listened to it three times straight through on my way through Ohio and Pennsy Monday.

That’s the only Springsteen album I own.

184 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:49:32pm

re: #176 Mad Al-Jaffee

I love Johnny Winter’s cover of that one.

Linky?

185 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:49:32pm

re: #170 The Shadow Do

He was a serious student of folk music. It shows.

he WAS folk music…well, close anyway

186 The Shadow Do  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:49:38pm

re: #167 windsagio

Nirvana.


Impact/oomph isn’t necessarily the best criteria tho :p

Well, maybe along with NWA.

Oomph is good. Has power.

187 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:50:39pm

re: #184 Cato the Elder

Youtube Video

188 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:50:58pm

Here’s a Bob Dylan cover that just had to happen sooner or later:

Youtube Video

189 windsagio  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:51:00pm

re: #186 The Shadow Do

oh absolutely. I just know alot of people on here don’t like some of the bands I’d bring up for that kind of thing, so I’m insulating myself ;)

190 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:51:40pm

Time for bed. Manana.

191 The Shadow Do  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:51:48pm

re: #185 albusteve

he WAS folk music…well, close anyway

Post Folk…

192 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:51:58pm

re: #159 Alouette

Not the game, but some of the assholes who play it. That last commenter on your post is not only ignorant, but also has some conspiracy theory issues.

193 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:51:58pm

re: #177 Jimmah

Let’s see if you have the sheer testosterone required to handle the Shop Assistants:


[Video]

pfft…what garbage…are you serious?re: #181 Cato the Elder

Another must-bring album for the road: Springsteen’s “Nebraska”. I listened to it three times straight through on my way through Ohio and Pennsy Monday.

ahh!…John Hiatt is my cross country, road guy…I know how you feel tho

194 srb1976  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:52:15pm

Evening folks!
Hope everyone is well!

195 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:53:07pm

re: #183 Mad Al-Jaffee

That’s the only Springsteen album I own.

There are bits about it that I disagree with philosophically (or rather, I have strong negative opinions about them), specifically his victimhood ideology (“I got debts no honest man can pay” says the killer - well, then, you shouldna-hadna-oughtna taken that loan), but the music is genius.

196 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:53:17pm

re: #165 Charles

Breitbart’s raging at me on Twitter, which comes as no surprise.

One of his ‘fans’ just arrived and flounced on that thread now.

197 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:53:36pm

re: #187 Mad Al-Jaffee

[Video]

drag the old coot out…cool, thanks

198 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:54:35pm

re: #190 Mad Al-Jaffee

Time for bed. Manana.

Did you mean “banana”, or has your tilde gone missing? ;^)

199 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:54:53pm

Interesting, Fark hits are at 2444 and trhe MYT article maxed out at 2555, if I am reading the “referreres” hit page correctly. Thanks to KT, for showing me this.
Charles has some mad intertubeskilz.

200 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:54:56pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Here’s a Bob Dylan cover that just had to happen sooner or later:


[Video]

ah yeah…the Stones schooled Dylan on his own song…nobody is better than the Stones, that I ever heard

201 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:54:57pm

re: #196 iceweasel

Already gone. Dang that was fast!

202 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:55:51pm

re: #198 Cato the Elder

Did you mean “banana”, or has your tilde gone missing? ;^)

Actually, I meant this:

Youtube Video

Good night.

203 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:56:02pm

re: #191 The Shadow Do

Post Folk…

more precise yes

204 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:56:07pm

re: #148 Cato the Elder

Dylan actually wrote poetry, then put it to music. Good poetry, good music. Many heads can’t handle that much good.

How may times must a man look up,
Before he can see the sky?
And how many ears must one man have,
Before he can hear people cry?
And how many deaths will it take ‘till he knows,
That too many people have died?
Youtube Video

205 The Shadow Do  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:56:22pm

re: #189 windsagio

oh absolutely. I just know alot of people on here don’t like some of the bands I’d bring up for that kind of thing, so I’m insulating myself ;)

Pop music is fun. There is no right or wrong appreciation of it.

Some say Dylan, some say Milli Vanilli.

206 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:56:39pm

re: #16 jaunte

Get them to issue you an airhorn.

Just walked into the thread, and I actually threw back my head and laughed at that. Some things just strike a person funny, and you hit it!

207 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:56:39pm

re: #201 iceweasel

Youtube Video

208 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:56:56pm

re: #201 iceweasel

Already gone. Dang that was fast!

I’ll get the grill going. We had a another flouncer troll earlier today, so I’ll grill both of them now. Any drink or side dish requests. folks?

209 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:57:38pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

Tater tots?
LOL!

210 srb1976  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:58:15pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

I’ll get the grill going. We had a another flouncer troll earlier today, so I’ll grill both of them now. Any drink or side dish requests. folks?

A ncie stout drink to clear out the baby powder? (Round 2 of the baby powder fight was this evening….just getting the air cleared out)

211 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:58:32pm

re: #200 albusteve

ah yeah…the Stones schooled Dylan on his own song…nobody is better than the Stones, that I ever heard

nor that I have heard either. Only U2 and the Beetles can be considered in the same league as the Stones and even they aren’t/ weren’t as good.

212 The Shadow Do  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:59:38pm

re: #200 albusteve

ah yeah…the Stones schooled Dylan on his own song…nobody is better than the Stones, that I ever heard

Saw the IMAX concert too many times. Greatest band ever. Nasty old rockers that they are.

213 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:00:22pm

re: #210 srb1976

A ncie stout drink to clear out the baby powder? (Round 2 of the baby powder fight was this evening…just getting the air cleared out)

Ran across some properly made Japanese whiskey last week. Here, tell me if its any good. [slides shot glass down to srb1976]

214 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:00:28pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

…and there is an important distinction between large thrift operations and normal retail… production is job one, there is not so much emphasis on selling or internal marketing. It’s mainly haul from the route truck, price it, haul to the floor, haul to the customers vehicle, repeat.

I’ve spent the first 6 weeks at this store trying to clean up the image of the used furniture department, trying to make sure all the stuff is in neat rows, visible, accessible and so on.

The district manage was in the store today and I heard him say to our manager… “this is incredible…” meaning how organized the department was.

In the past, I’ve done a lot of buying and selling of used items at outdoor markets and such, and I know what it takes to properly market the stuff.

Many thrift store only care about piling as much used product on the floor hoping to move as much as possible, with no regards to what is really selling versus what is sitting for weeks and so on.

I’m trying to change that at this company.

Your theater background has given you an eye for set design, yes? This is about staging, and it sounds like your work is noticed and appreciated. A good feeling.

215 jaunte  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:00:41pm

re: #165 Charles

@klagola no, we dont ‘lean the same way’ if you think letting lying bullies get away w ANOTHER false smear campaign to ruin a person is ok.twitter.com


Heh. Hoistpetardville City Limits.

216 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:01:08pm

re: #210 srb1976

Hey!
Haven’t “seen” you in a while!
How is “her royal stoutness”?

217 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:01:42pm

re: #193 albusteve

re: #177 Jimmah

Let’s see if you have the sheer testosterone required to handle the Shop Assistants:


[Video]

pfft…what garbage…are you serious?

Actually….oh never mind. Yes I was being deadly serious, Mr Albus. Now kneel before your rock masters, the awesome, god like Altered Images:

Youtube Video

218 srb1976  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:01:53pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

Ran across some properly made Japanese whiskey last week. Here, tell me if its any good. [slides shot glass down to srb1976]

Thanks! Hits the spot = )

219 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:02:10pm

re: #215 jaunte

Heh. Hoistpetardville City Limits.

Heh. Looks like some other random twitterers (?) are taunting him now and he’s lashing back. Meltdown City, pop: You.

220 albusteve  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:02:12pm

I’m out like Kieth Richards…..
rock on brothers and sisters

221 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:03:09pm

re: #179 albusteve

thank you…off tomorrow for Mexico

It scares me sometimes when I see how I’m held here,
Scares me sometimes when I see just how you got away…
Youtube Video

222 srb1976  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:03:14pm

re: #216 Floral Giraffe

Hey!
Haven’t “seen” you in a while!
How is “her royal stoutness”?

Her Royal Stoutness was accessory to the great baby powder fight = )
(sometimes it’s a good thing she’s cute….and her big brother too….he had to climb up to get the baby powder)
New picture of her in my avatar….only a week or so old = )

223 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:05:03pm

re: #37 simoom

If anyone’s seen the Showtime series “Dead Like Me”, this is from the soundtrack:

Métisse - Nomah’s Land

[Video]

I’ve never seen it, but since I love the series “Pushing Daisies,” I’ve been told I could easily get into it.

I’m liking this music.

224 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:05:17pm

Lol. More taunting of Breitbart going on elsewhere on twitter:

GregMitchell: O’Keefe’s next serious journalism probe—why jail house applesauce is so watery. Abuse of prisoners with cheap applesauce.

Ha!

225 Gus  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:05:20pm

re: #219 iceweasel

Heh. Looks like some other random twitterers (?) are taunting him now and he’s lashing back. Meltdown City, pop: You.

One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you
Don’t do anything at all
Go ask Breitbart
When he’s one inch tall

And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know you’re going to fall
Tell them a hookah smoking caterpillar has given you the call
Call Breitbart
When he was just small

226 The Shadow Do  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:05:44pm

I was at a Stones concert in 1964. It was their first. It sucked. I did not hear one single note for the girls screaming their lungs out. They did not yet have a tune that had made it to the top ten. But they were Brits!

227 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:07:16pm

re: #222 srb1976

Her Royal Stoutness was accessory to the great baby powder fight = )
(sometimes it’s a good thing she’s cute…and her big brother too…he had to climb up to get the baby powder)
New picture of her in my avatar…only a week or so old = )

Hope all is well.
Nice to “see” you!

228 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:08:08pm

re: #219 iceweasel

Heh. Looks like some other random twitterers (?) are taunting him now and he’s lashing back. Meltdown City, pop: You.

It can be fun to taunt the crazy troll. As long as you have a wall to get behind, watching the troll seeth and fling its dung can be amusing.

229 srb1976  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:08:36pm

re: #227 Floral Giraffe

Hope all is well.
Nice to “see” you!

It’s great to “see” you too….don’t seem to have much time around here lately….but it’s a good busy = )

How’ve you been??

230 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:09:14pm

re: #224 iceweasel

Lol. More taunting of Breitbart going on elsewhere on twitter:

Ha!

More likely O’Keefe report from prison: “My life as a bad man’s girlfriend.”

/

231 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:09:53pm

re: #219 iceweasel

Heh. Looks like some other random twitterers (?) are taunting him now and he’s lashing back. Meltdown City, pop: You.

He sent out a desperate appeal via twitter earlier for black wingnuts to come and support O’Keefe:

Any black nonleftists out there sick & tired of white libs & MSM using race card w/out evidence 4 crass political gain & 2 destroy lives?

232 Gus  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:10:39pm

re: #231 Jimmah

Andrew Breitbart, wingnut community organizer.

Tweet.

/

233 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:11:00pm

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

It can be fun to taunt the crazy troll. As long as you have a wall to get behind, watching the troll seeth and fling its dung can be amusing.

Seriously considering tweeting our butthurt vid to him or similar. If ever anyone deserved it…
I don’t have tweetdeck on my us computer yet though grrr.

234 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:12:46pm

re: #231 Jimmah

He’s even retweeting people mocking him for it:

TheGreyKing

Haha! @andrewbreitbart is looking for #mythicalcreatures aka black conservatives! LMFAO!


Now is he too dumb to know that’s mockery, or is he some kind of masochistic attention whore? I vote both at this point.

235 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:13:04pm

re: #233 iceweasel

Seriously considering tweeting our butthurt vid to him or similar. If ever anyone deserved it…
I don’t have tweetdeck on my us computer yet though grrr.

Does your other half?

236 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:14:02pm

re: #234 iceweasel

Now is he too dumb to know that’s mockery, or is he some kind of masochistic attention whore? I vote both at this point.

I think he just left reason behind when he slipped over the Wingularity’s event horizon.

237 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:14:03pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Does your other worser half?

FTFY

238 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:14:06pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Does your other half?

Oh he does, yes! I’m usually the one who maintains that though, he handles youtube channel. :)
Might be time to finally update!

239 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:15:06pm

Weezer/Queen/Joan Jett mash-up.

240 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:16:24pm

re: #232 Gus 802

Andrew Breitbart, wingnut community organizer.

Tweet.

/

Good one, Gus !

241 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:16:59pm

You don’t look different
But you have changed,
I’m looking through you,
You’re not the same…
Youtube Video

242 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:17:25pm

re: #229 srb1976

All is well. Our schedules are off.
Wish you & “her royal stoutness” well.

243 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:17:38pm

re: #231 Jimmah

Any black nonleftists out there sick & tired of white libs & MSM using race card w/out evidence 4 crass political gain & 2 destroy lives?

LOL! WTF? BBQ!

244 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:18:17pm

re: #234 iceweasel

Now is he too dumb to know that’s mockery, or is he some kind of masochistic attention whore? I vote both at this point.

I don’t think he’s in control of himself at this point. He might calm down in a day or two but for now he’s just out of his mind.

245 Gus  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:18:50pm

re: #240 Jimmah

Good one, Gus !

Thanks. It was the first thing that came to mind other than…

“Hi, my name is Andrew Breitbart, and I invented the Huffington Post!111!!”

/

246 vanderloon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:19:24pm

I am aware of all internet and twitter traditions and white supremacist wingnut conventions.
But here Andrew Breitbart is not.

It seems to be that what he is about is, well, sort of questionable.

247 The Shadow Do  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:19:29pm

highway 61 revisited

Youtube Video

248 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:19:52pm

re: #239 Slumbering Behemoth

Cool one.

249 webevintage  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:19:52pm

re: #232 Gus 802

Andrew Breitbart, wingnut community organizer.

Tweet.

/

I gotta say that the real time melt down on Twitter has been entertaining to say the least.

250 Gus  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:21:46pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

I don’t think he’s in control of himself at this point. He might calm down in a day or two but for now he’s just out of his mind.

He probably took a break to yell at the dining room table.

/

251 Stanley Sea  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:22:19pm

re: #249 webevintage

I gotta say that the real time melt down on Twitter has been entertaining to say the least.

To say the least. It’s been 23 minutes since his last one. Someone should call a friend!

252 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:22:30pm

re: #246 vanderloon

I am aware of all internet and twitter traditions and white supremacist wingnut conventions.
But here Andrew Breitbart is not.

It seems to be that what he is about is, well, sort of questionable.

He’s certainly aware of the tradition of the butthurt meltdown tradition though.

253 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:22:39pm

re: #237 Cato the Elder

FTFY

Hey, that’s my other half and my honey you’re talking about there! We’re one flesh:

My true-love hath my heart, and I have his,
By just exchange one for the other given.
I hold his dear, and mine he cannot miss:
There never was a bargain better driven.
His heart in me keeps me and him in one;
My heart in him his thoughts and senses guides:
He loves my heart, for once it was his own;
I cherish his because in me it bides.
His heart his wound received from my sight;
My heart was wounded with his wounded heart;
For as from me on him his hurt did light,
So still, methought, in me his hurt did smart:
Both equal hurt, in this change sought our bliss,
My true love hath my heart and I have his.

254 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:22:56pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

I don’t think he’s in control of himself at this point. He might calm down in a day or two but for now he’s just out of his mind.

Do you think he’s frantic, frightened by what this possible court case might reveal? That is the impression I am getting.

255 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:23:11pm

Another verse from “Highway 61”. This one contains clues to the origins of the Illuminati, the death of freedom in America, and the ascendancy of Pam Geller:

Now the fifth daughter on the twelfth night
Told the first father that things weren’t right
My complexion she said is much too white
He said come here and step into the light he says hmm you’re right
Let me tell the second mother this has been done
But the second mother was with the seventh son
And they were both out on Highway 61.

256 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:24:17pm

re: #181 Cato the Elder

Another must-bring album for the road: Springsteen’s “Nebraska”. I listened to it three times straight through on my way through Ohio and Pennsy Monday.

I listened to “Ohama” by Counting Crows when I was in Omaha.

257 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:29:10pm

I was planning on hacking my sister’s account tonight, but there’s an entry from 10 minutes ago.

It won’t be much fun if she can change it back immediately.

258 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:30:08pm

re: #243 Slumbering Behemoth

I mean really, what is the idea there? “See?!? I told you this accusation of racist connections was phoney. Even these black people say so”.

Shameless, pathetic, insulting and condescending.

259 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:30:19pm

re: #257 EmmmieG

I was planning on hacking my sister’s account tonight, but there’s an entry from 10 minutes ago.

It won’t be much fun if she can change it back immediately.

Facebook account. She doesn’t get into forums.

260 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:30:21pm

re: #254 Slumbering Behemoth

Do you think he’s frantic, frightened by what this possible court case might reveal? That is the impression I am getting.

That’s what I’m thinking too. Even his previous defense of O’keefe was overzealous. He was obviously caught red handed doing something very illegal and Breitbart went on TV spinning the difference between “phone tapping” and “Interfering with phones”. Any normal employer would condemn any illegal activity, wait for the trial and fire him if convicted. O’keefe isn’t really that important to Breitbart’s work. I think Breitbart is laying the groundwork for what revelations may come out about his involvement. Their fates are tied together at this point.

261 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:31:05pm

re: #172 Cato the Elder

Cato you are the cross cultural master. Connecting the dots like no other.

262 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:32:45pm

re: #253 iceweasel

Hey, that’s my other half and my honey you’re talking about there! We’re one flesh:

My true-love hath my heart, and I have his,
By just exchange one for the other given.
I hold his dear, and mine he cannot miss:
There never was a bargain better driven.
His heart in me keeps me and him in one;
My heart in him his thoughts and senses guides:
He loves my heart, for once it was his own;
I cherish his because in me it bides.
His heart his wound received from my sight;
My heart was wounded with his wounded heart;
For as from me on him his hurt did light,
So still, methought, in me his hurt did smart:
Both equal hurt, in this change sought our bliss,
My true love hath my heart and I have his.

Youtube Video

263 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:35:30pm

re: #255 Cato the Elder

Another verse from “Highway 61”. This one contains clues to the origins of the Illuminati, the death of freedom in America, and the ascendancy of Pam Geller:

Now the fifth daughter on the twelfth night
Told the first father that things weren’t right
My complexion she said is much too white
He said come here and step into the light he says hmm you’re right
Let me tell the second mother this has been done
But the second mother was with the seventh son
And they were both out on Highway 61.


Now friends, let me write this out for you. [walks over to blackboard] We’ve got the following evvviilll numbers:

5
12
1
2
7
And 61. Now [draws lines between 1,2 and 61] if you add up these three numbers you get 64, the last two digits of Barack Obama’s birth year. This tends to show that Bob Dylan was part of the Seekrit Plot to install a Kenyan Muslim as President. And when we add up 5, 12, and 7 the picutre fully comes into view. Because those numbers add up to … ELEVENTY!!111 THE NUMBER OF THE ILLUMINATI!!!!!!11111111111111111

/Glen Beck

264 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:35:47pm

re: #257 EmmmieG

I cannot condone that sort of behavior, but if you must, may I suggest doing something like this?

265 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:38:43pm

re: #262 Jimmah

[Video]

O my Luve’s like a red, red rose,
That’s newly sprung in June:
O my Luve’s like the melodie,
That’s sweetly play’d in tune.

As fair art thou, my bonnie lass lad,
So deep in luve am I;
And I will luve thee still, my dear,
Till a’ the seas gang dry.

Till a’ the seas gang dry, my dear,
And the rocks melt wi’ the sun;
And I will luve thee still, my dear,
While the sands o’ life shall run.

And fare-thee-weel, my only Luve!
And fare-thee-weel, a while!
And I will come again, my Luve,
Tho’ ‘twere ten thousand mile!

Well…six thousand at the moment, I guess. :-)

266 Stanley Sea  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:38:55pm

re: #262 Jimmah

[Video]

Aw you two….

267 keloyd  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:39:36pm

We need a new word for “butthurt” for those of us over the age of 11. There are days when I’m not in any fights, the episode of Family Guy is one of the good ones, Jon Stewart has a fun guest, the stock market goes up, no new cracks show up in the walls of my house, and I’m in a generally good mood, but for the kimchi I ate the night before. I don’t want to mix up my gastrointestinal challenges and any over-sensitive fu fu emo drama.

268 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:41:01pm

re: #266 Stanley Sea

Aw you two…

I know, we’re kind of sickening.. But happy!
Occurs to me I can rewrite the last lines of Sir Sydney there for our fan club on the stalker site…

For as from me on him his butthurt did light,
So still, methought, in me his butthurt did smart:
Both equal butthurt, in this change sought our bliss,
My true love hath my heart and I have his.

269 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:41:36pm

I remember when rock was young…
Youtube Video

270 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:41:46pm

re: #260 Killgore Trout

I think you’re right, and to be honest, I am a bit concerned about how this will play out. Not concerned for AB, if he is found guilty of complicity in this then he should get what he deserves.

If that happens, I am a bit concerned about how a certain demographic of wingnuts will react to it. There are already some out there on the brink of losing it. I worry about what the nuttiest of wingnutia may do if they think their “heroes” were taken down and silenced by “the man”.

271 Stanley Sea  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:42:50pm

re: #268 iceweasel

Not sickening at all!! I’m a romantic, hoping you will be in the same house soon.

272 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:45:01pm

re: #271 Stanley Sea

Not sickening at all!! I’m a romantic, hoping you will be in the same house soon.

Thanks, Stanley! You rock. :)

273 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:45:02pm

This is the first time I’ve tried to listen to all the posted music in a thread. I’m getting there. Quite the mix. I haven’t hit one pause button yet.

I promise I haven’t been drinking or dulling my senses in any other way in spite of evidence left behind where Omaha was spelled Ohama.

274 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:46:30pm

re: #270 Slumbering Behemoth

If that happens, I am a bit concerned about how a certain demographic of wingnuts will react to it. There are already some out there on the brink of losing it. I worry about what the nuttiest of wingnutia may do if they think their “heroes” were taken down and silenced by “the man”.

I think that’s a legitimate concern. They are already spinning this as a leftist plot to silence dissent.

275 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:47:35pm

re: #270 Slumbering Behemoth

I think you’re right, and to be honest, I am a bit concerned about how this will play out. Not concerned for AB, if he is found guilty of complicity in this then he should get what he deserves.

If that happens, I am a bit concerned about how a certain demographic of wingnuts will react to it. There are already some out there on the brink of losing it. I worry about what the nuttiest of wingnutia may do if they think their “heroes” were taken down and silenced by “the man”.

Pshaw!

What have we heard from Oily Tights since she got her ass handed to her in court?

I have no faith in anything human, but I do have a slight prejudice in favor of the American legal system - at least as far as fools and popinjays are concerned.

276 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:48:11pm

re: #271 Stanley Sea

Not sickening at all!! I’m a romantic, hoping you will be in the same house soon.

And that’s when the fight started…

;^)

277 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:49:17pm

re: #270 Slumbering Behemoth

I think you’re right, and to be honest, I am a bit concerned about how this will play out. Not concerned for AB, if he is found guilty of complicity in this then he should get what he deserves.

If that happens, I am a bit concerned about how a certain demographic of wingnuts will react to it. There are already some out there on the brink of losing it. I worry about what the nuttiest of wingnutia may do if they think their “heroes” were taken down and silenced by “the man”.

You are right to worry. Some of them may decide since they have no legal method to effect their wingnut revolution, since the dreaded FEMA Camps!11 card is being played.

/hat tip to Varek Raith for designing that card.

278 Gus  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:49:30pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout

I think that’s a legitimate concern. They are already spinning this as a leftist plot to silence dissent.

I think I just figured out how Infowars wound up at the Drudge Report.

279 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:49:36pm

re: #273 Silvergirl

Hell, I haven’t even posted any metal on this thread. Until now.

280 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:49:53pm

re: #275 Cato the Elder

Pshaw!

What have we heard from Oily Tights since she got her ass handed to her in court?

I have no faith in anything human, but I do have a slight prejudice in favor of the American legal system - at least as far as fools and popinjays are concerned.

ORLY Taitz has announced a plan to run for office and was seeking donations on her malware infested blog a couple of weeks ago. She wants to be elected AG for her state so she can pursue TEH TROOF about Obama’s birth certificate.
Not kidding. I popped a story about it in spinoffs. I think it was in the OC Register.

281 wee fury  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:50:16pm

The moral of the story …Youtube Video

282 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:51:35pm

re: #278 Gus 802

I think I just figured out how Infowars wound up at the Drudge Report.

OK, I’ll bite: How did that happen?

283 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:51:54pm

re: #280 iceweasel

ORLY Taitz has announced a plan to run for office and was seeking donations on her malware infested blog a couple of weeks ago. She wants to be elected AG for her state so she can pursue TEH TROOF about Obama’s birth certificate.
Not kidding. I popped a story about it in spinoffs. I think it was in the OC Register.

Doubtless all true.

I’m just betting that the donations won’t exceed three figures.

284 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:52:01pm

re: #275 Cato the Elder

O’rly got a “STFU” order. What O’Keefe, and possibly AB, are looking at could end up being felonies on federal property, meaning possible jail time. Big difference.

285 Gus  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:52:15pm

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

OK, I’ll bite: How did that happen?

Just a guess. Andrew Breitbart probably insisted it be linked.

286 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:52:40pm

re: #279 Slumbering Behemoth

Hell, I haven’t even posted any metal on this thread. Until now.

Good stuff! Sorta sounds like Clutch + Isis.

287 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:53:46pm

re: #285 Gus 802

Just a guess. Andrew Breitbart probably insisted it be linked.

Why would he do that? And why would Matt Drudge comply?

288 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:53:54pm

re: #243 Slumbering Behemoth

LOL! WTF? BBQ!

Absolutely. Just awesome.

Speaking of all things tragically, facepalm inducingly and downright cringemakingly unreflective, Breitbarts Big Hollywood site features a post by a self described ‘Anti Jihad Artist’ with a comic book called “PigMan” which unwittingly describes everything that is wrong about the wingnut reaction to events like 9/11.

66.102.9.132

289 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:54:19pm

re: #285 Gus 802

Just a guess. Andrew Breitbart probably insisted it be linked.

I don’t have any doubt about it. I also strongly suspect the race baiting and New World order articles on Drudge are also Breitbart’s influence.

290 Gus  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:54:48pm

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

Why would he do that? And why would Matt Drudge comply?

Andrew Breitbart is now a part of The Drudge report.

291 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:54:59pm

re: #285 Gus 802

Breitbart is a part owner of Drudge.

292 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:56:16pm

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

You are right to worry. Some of them may decide since they have no legal method to effect their wingnut revolution, since the dreaded FEMA Camps!11 card is being played.

/hat tip to Varek Raith for designing that card.

The sad thing is, FEMA Camps are one subject where the outliers of wingnuttery and moonbattery converge. I’ve had more than one moonbat warn me about the danger.

GPS units in cars are also a favorite. “They” know where you are and can instantly correlate any stop you make with whatever is bought at that location within the next few minutes.

So “they” know that I developed (God help me) a taste for Coors beer while I was out west.

This, again, is a reacharound conspiracy theory, common to both “left” and “right”.

293 Gus  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:56:27pm

re: #291 Killgore Trout

Breitbart is a part owner of Drudge.

Do you know what date that took place?

294 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:57:11pm

re: #273 Silvergirl

oh hell, why not:

Youtube Video

295 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:58:08pm

re: #286 WindUpBird

I linked this one the other night when some of us were talking ‘bout gambling in Vegas.

296 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:58:39pm

re: #292 Cato the Elder

The only time you should worry about the GPS unit in a car is if it’s a rental car: archives.cnn.com

297 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:58:43pm

re: #293 Gus 802

Do you know what date that took place?

Not sure but I’d heard that. This is what wiki says (but of course, it’s wiki, so…)

Andrew Breitbart helps run the Drudge Report website. Breitbart met Drudge in Los Angeles during the 1990s when Drudge was a self-described “untrained D student.”[9] Drudge mentored Breitbart until 2005, when he left to work for The Huffington Post website.[10] Breitbart stated that he was “amicably leaving the Drudge Report after a long and close working relationship with Matt Drudge.”[11] He now runs Breitbart.com, but still helps run Drudge’s website from Los Angeles. Breitbart, who describes himself as “Matt Drudge’s bitch”,[12] works the afternoon shift at the Drudge Report.[13] Drudge frequently links to Breitbart’s site, but does not get paid for this service, although it does provide Breitbart with income.[10] Drudge has said that he holds no financial stake in Breitbart.com nor does he receive any compensation from its founder.[10]

298 simoom  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:59:36pm

I just clicked on one of the MSNBC video thumbnails in that widget at the upper right of LGF, and it ended up being a segment from today’s Rachel Maddow show. It was kind of a summation of the Administration Christmas day bomber push-back from the last couple days and then relating that to recent GOP criticisms on that topic (this week’s Republican Address for example). I found it worth a watch:

MSNBC Video

299 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:00:06pm

re: #288 Jimmah

Absolutely. Just awesome.

Speaking of all things tragically, facepalm inducingly and downright cringemakingly unreflective, Breitbarts Big Hollywood site features a post by a self described ‘Anti Jihad Artist’ with a comic book called “PigMan” which unwittingly describes everything that is wrong about the wingnut reaction to events like 9/11.

[Link: 66.102.9.132…]

Real smart, Andrew. Highlight a book whose only major achievement would be to provide Al Qaeda an opportunity to engage in “they’re planning to defile our faith!” propaganda. That piece of crap book is not anti-Islamist, its simply anti-Islam and thus belongs on the shelf next to Mein Kampf.

300 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:00:15pm

re: #297 iceweasel

Oh, that’s from the Drudge link on wiki, and with all the O’Keefe business and Brietbarts major meltdown on twitter, I bet all Breitbart references on wiki are being furiously vandalized.

301 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:01:46pm

re: #293 Gus 802

Do you know what date that took place?

Not sure but I think it was fairly recent. Maybe a year or so.

302 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:02:34pm

re: #297 iceweasel

Ah, thanks.

303 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:03:24pm

re: #298 simoom

I had that on the teevee today. fantastic segment.

And then the thing about the furry attack ad was even better :D

304 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:03:48pm

re: #292 Cato the Elder

The sad thing is, FEMA Camps are one subject where the outliers of wingnuttery and moonbattery converge. I’ve had more than one moonbat warn me about the danger.

GPS units in cars are also a favorite. “They” know where you are and can instantly correlate any stop you make with whatever is bought at that location within the next few minutes.

So “they” know that I developed (God help me) a taste for Coors beer while I was out west.

This, again, is a reacharound conspiracy theory, common to both “left” and “right”.

The funny part is that any wingnut or moonbat who owns a cell phone can already be tracked by the government whenever they have the phone on. In real life however, as opposed to Crazy World, the government does need a warrant to do so.

305 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:05:14pm

re: #302 Killgore Trout

Ah, thanks.

I’d heard the same as you though, that he was partowner now and it was recent, like within a year or so.

And I think the wiki entries on breitbart really are likely to be locked soon, if they aren’t already. I haven’t checked yet but I would expect a lefty-troll infestation to be vandalizing them and mocking him.

Anyway it’s probably even less reliable than usual, is what I’m saying.

306 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:05:40pm

re: #288 Jimmah

That dude used to have an account here. Don’t recall the nic.

307 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:06:30pm

re: #265 iceweasel


And fare-thee-weel, my only Luve!
And fare-thee-weel, a while!
And I will come again, my Luve,
Tho’ ‘twere ten thousand mile!

Well…six thousand at the moment, I guess. :-)

Oh ma bonnie lassie beat yer drum for me

I’ll be comin tae ye soon, over the sea… :)

Youtube Video

308 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:06:49pm

re: #296 WindUpBird

The only time you should worry about the GPS unit in a car is if it’s a rental car: [Link: archives.cnn.com…]

Well, one of my moonbat friends insists that all new cars are seekritly being equipped with user-inaccessible, hidden GPS devices to allow “them” to follow drivers wherever they go. The technology, according to him, was developed for the Chinese by “them” (= US = evil American corporations) - as chips embedded in Chinese ID cards that tell the Chink authorities where every body (literally) is at all times. According to my source, the penalty for throwing away or disabling your Chinese GPS-equipped ID is life in prison.

Natch, I googled it and found nothing to support this paranoid ideation. But I’ll bet you dollars to Chinese doughnuts that the “right” believes the same stuff.

309 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:07:09pm

re: #306 Slumbering Behemoth

That dude used to have an account here. Don’t recall the nic.

He nic was “Wingnut Loser”.

310 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:09:18pm

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

Real smart, Andrew. Highlight a book whose only major achievement would be to provide Al Qaeda an opportunity to engage in “they’re planning to defile our faith!” propaganda. That piece of crap book is not anti-Islamist, its simply anti-Islam and thus belongs on the shelf next to Mein Kampf.

Minor point, perhaps, but I don’t believe Mein Kampf says a word against Islam.

311 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:10:37pm

Breitbart is back, after a brief yet no doubt refreshing coma, still swinging wildly at anyone at all on twitter:

@missmiranda guilty until proven innocent. oh how liberalism has sunk to inconceivable depths.

Well, AB knows all about that.

312 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:11:07pm

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

The funny part is that any wingnut or moonbat who owns a cell phone can already be tracked by the government whenever they have the phone on. In real life however, as opposed to Crazy World, the government does need a warrant to do so.

You would think so, but I believe Bush & Cheney changed the rules a bit.

313 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:11:59pm

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

Real smart, Andrew. Highlight a book whose only major achievement would be to provide Al Qaeda an opportunity to engage in “they’re planning to defile our faith!” propaganda. That piece of crap book is not anti-Islamist, its simply anti-Islam and thus belongs on the shelf next to Mein Kampf.

Yep - it shows in a very clear way that ‘Anti Jihadism’ is simply the flipside extremism to that of the Jihadists.

314 windsagio  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:12:01pm

re: #310 Cato the Elder

Don’t you know anything? Islam didn’t exist between 1200 and the end of WW2.

315 windsagio  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:12:43pm

re: #313 Jimmah

you know how it is :p Irrational hate is irrational hate. We’re all human >>

316 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:12:46pm
Interviewer: “So Frank, you have long hair. Does that make you a woman?” FZ: “You have a wooden leg. Does that make you a table?”

As Wrenchwench said earlier today “That’s the Frank I was dealt…”

317 Gus  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:14:05pm

re: #311 iceweasel

Breitbart is back, after a brief yet no doubt refreshing coma, still swinging wildly at anyone at all on twitter:

Well, AB knows all about that.

What a genius. Right, everyone knows that only “the left” assumes that people are “guilty until proven innocent.”

318 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:14:09pm

re: #314 windsagio

Don’t you know anything? Islam didn’t exist between 1200 and the end of WW2.

There are plenty of dead infidels who wish that were so.

319 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:14:41pm

re: #312 Cato the Elder

You would think so, but I believe Bush & Cheney changed the rules a bit.

Maybe, but if they did I haven’t been told out it at work.

320 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:15:26pm

re: #315 windsagio

you know how it is :p Irrational hate is irrational hate. We’re all human >>

Pigman or SuperJihad - which one are you, windsagio? Assuming that is your real name…

;-)

321 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:16:21pm

re: #317 Gus 802

What a genius. Right, everyone knows that only “the left” assumes that people are “guilty until proven innocent.”

What “inconceivable depths” is he referring to?

That would be this comment:

Let facts stand. If u or Jimmy aren’t racist facts will show it!

What a crazy, filthy, depraved hippie idea. /

322 windsagio  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:16:21pm

re: #320 Jimmah

I’m actually Iceweasel.


/it was supposed to be a surprise!


//actually one night somebody accused me an’ WUB of being you an’ ice, it was cute :)

323 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:18:11pm

re: #313 Jimmah

Yep - it shows in a very clear way that ‘Anti Jihadism’ is simply the flipside extremism to that of the Jihadists.

I would hesitate to make that comparison. I am very much anti-jihadism, but I harbor no hatred for Muslims in general. Much like I am anti-dominionist, yet harbor no hatred towards Christians in general.

324 Irenicum  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:19:37pm

Reading the thread so far concerning bratbart is it wrong to relish the consequences of actions taken leading to actions potentially taken? He’s living out the whole reap/sow dynamic. Sucks to be him.

325 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:19:55pm

re: #322 windsagio

I’m actually Iceweasel.

/it was supposed to be a surprise!

//actually one night somebody accused me an’ WUB of being you an’ ice, it was cute :)

Ha! Hadn’t seen that one. But yes, a lot of people have been accused of that…lol

326 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:20:08pm

Mandy—I’m off to bed, but there’s a reply for you on the dead thread.

327 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:20:35pm

re: #313 Jimmah

Yep - it shows in a very clear way that ‘Anti Jihadism’ is simply the flipside extremism to that of the Jihadists.

I am thoroughly, irrevocably anti-Jihad. Does that make me Pam’s seekrit lover?

Seriously, Jimmah - revise that statement.

328 simoom  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:21:07pm

re: #303 WindUpBird

And then the thing about the furry attack ad was even better :D

O_o

All I got was an Ellen Page Cisco ad before the video played :P.

329 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:22:38pm

re: #322 windsagio


//actually one night somebody accused me an’ WUB of being you an’ ice, it was cute :)

Seriously? Too funny!
Big fans of you both, we are. :-)

330 windsagio  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:23:42pm

re: #329 iceweasel

We were gonna call each other ‘Ice’ and ‘Jimmah’ for a while, but were worried you might find that annoying :)

331 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:24:15pm

re: #319 Dark_Falcon

Maybe, but if they did I haven’t been told about it at work.

PIMF

332 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:24:18pm

re: #323 Slumbering Behemoth

I would hesitate to make that comparison. I am very much anti-jihadism, but I harbor no hatred for Muslims in general. Much like I am anti-dominionist, yet harbor no hatred towards Christians in general.

I agree with that. That’s why I used the quotes on ‘Anti-Jihadism’ . I’m talking about the attitudes personified by the likes of Spencer, Geller, etc that try to co-opt people’s natural and absolutely reasonable opposition to jihadism into a crusade against Islam itself. Which is what this guys book quite clearly sets out to do.

333 windsagio  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:25:19pm

re: #332 Jimmah


So its the difference between ‘not liking the idea of jihad’ and ‘making a movement out of not liking jihad’?

A lot of people don’t like the idea of Jihad, but then there’s that other group that go a bit further :p


…

But thats what you’re saying!

334 Gus  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:26:09pm

I’m worn out. Good night folks!

335 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:29:08pm

re: #330 windsagio

We were gonna call each other ‘Ice’ and ‘Jimmah’ for a while, but were worried you might find that annoying :)

Heck no, I would love it! We’d call each other by your names too. Mass hysteria would ensue!

It probably would start to confuse people here especially new ones if we all started doing it all the time though.

336 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:29:24pm

re: #332 Jimmah

I dig it, but it just didn’t come through that clearly in your other post. People from both sides of the far fringes still quote mine this site, and your original post just didn’t quite convey the sentiment you were going for. IMO, anyway.

337 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:29:28pm

re: #327 Cato the Elder

I would have thought you’d have been familiar enough with my posts on the subject to have resisted that interpretation, Cato.

Anyway, see my reply to SB in 332.

338 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:29:30pm

re: #334 Gus 802

I’m worn out. Good night folks!

Night Gus!

339 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:30:03pm

re: #332 Jimmah

I agree with that. That’s why I used the quotes on ‘Anti-Jihadism’ . I’m talking about the attitudes personified by the likes of Spencer, Geller, etc that try to co-opt people’s natural and absolutely reasonable opposition to jihadism into a crusade against Islam itself. Which is what this guys book quite clearly sets out to do.

“Islam itself” is, however, in serious need of a smackdown in the same way that overweening Christianity got one at the hands of the secular world.

Just yesterday, two separate Muslim cab drivers (one going, one coming back from my medical appointment) tried to refuse me taxi service because of my service dog. I wasn’t having any and told them I would instantly report their bearded asses to the authorities.

They knuckled, and I had interesting conversations with both.

In Minneapolis, it took a class-action suit by blind people to rectify the situation.

340 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:30:11pm

re: #336 Slumbering Behemoth

I dig it, but it just didn’t come through that clearly in your other post. People from both sides of the far fringes still quote mine this site, and your original post just didn’t quite convey the sentiment you were going for. IMO, anyway.

Yeah, he’s talking to me at the same time and it gets distracting sometimes. :)

341 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:31:38pm

re: #327 Cato the Elder

I am thoroughly, irrevocably anti-Jihad. Does that make me Pam’s seekrit lover?

Seriously, Jimmah - revise that statement.

Yup.
Fundamentalist Islamism is the implacable enemy which must first and foremost be confronted, beaten back and ultimately defeated.
But unfortunately, all too many mainstream Muslims have and continue to enable the radicals by their silence and cowardice.
And even more unfortunate is the active denial on the part of those in government and even in the military who are afraid to face the threat honestly.
Massive problem.

342 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:33:14pm

re: #341 Spare O’Lake

Yup.
Fundamentalist Islamism is the implacable enemy which must first and foremost be confronted, beaten back and ultimately defeated.
But unfortunately, all too many mainstream Muslims have and continue to enable the radicals by their silence and cowardice.
And even more unfortunate is the active denial on the part of those in government and even in the military who are afraid to face the threat honestly.
Massive problem.

See the Fort Hood shootings for proof.

343 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:33:50pm

re: #339 Cato the Elder

Christianity had it’s reformation, Mormons had theirs. I think it’s high time Islam does as well.

344 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:34:22pm

re: #333 windsagio

So its the difference between ‘not liking the idea of jihad’ and ‘making a movement out of not liking jihad’?

A lot of people don’t like the idea of Jihad, but then there’s that other group that go a bit further :p

…

But thats what you’re saying!

Heh. No sarc tag necessary :)

345 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:36:03pm

re: #340 iceweasel

Figures. :rolls eyes: “Talking” my ass.

346 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:36:23pm

re: #336 Slumbering Behemoth

I dig it, but it just didn’t come through that clearly in your other post. People from both sides of the far fringes still quote mine this site, and your original post just didn’t quite convey the sentiment you were going for. IMO, anyway.

I’m just heartened that people had enough confidence in me not to just leap on a dumb interpretation of my words/

Sarc tag included on this one. ;-)

347 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:37:14pm

I would see nothing wrong with a movement based on “not liking Jihad” that didn’t adopt fascist tactics.

348 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:38:55pm

re: #343 Slumbering Behemoth

Christianity had it’s reformation, Mormons had theirs. I think it’s high time Islam does as well.

Reformation must come from within.
Unfortunately the voices within Islam advocating such reform remain few and muted.

349 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:39:27pm

re: #346 Jimmah

I’m just heartened that people had enough confidence in me not to just leap on a dumb interpretation of my words/

Sarc tag included on this one. ;-)

I for one am not ready to write off the entire anti-Jihadist movement because of people like Spencer, Geller and the Baron.

Israel is a nation because of anti-Jihadism. Am Yisroel chai!

350 simoom  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:39:31pm

re: #223 Silvergirl

I’ve never seen it, but since I love the series “Pushing Daisies,” I’ve been told I could easily get into it.

I’m liking this music.

It’s really excellent. I had nasty case of the flu last year and marathon watched nearly the whole series while I was out from work.

All 29 episodes are up at Hulu:
Showtime’s “Dead Like Me”

Description: One hour drama that might be called “My So Called After-Life” in which a teenage girl dies suddenly, but remains among the living, functioning as a Grim Reaper. As she performs the duties expected of her, she is able to experience the life she always took for granted.

351 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:40:27pm

re: #347 Cato the Elder

I would see nothing wrong with a movement based on “not liking Jihad” that didn’t adopt fascist tactics.

Quite Concur. Not so much ‘anti-jihad’ as ‘pro-freedom’. Much better to define yourself by what you are for, rather than what you are against.

352 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:41:29pm

re: #339 Cato the Elder

“Islam itself” is, however, in serious need of a smackdown in the same way that overweening Christianity got one at the hands of the secular world.

I agree with that, my point is that moronic publications like ‘PigMan’ and the attitude that goes with it - ie that of the ‘Anti-Jihad movement’ - are not the way to go about it. They just muddy the water and make the job of opposing religious bullshit much more problematic.

353 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:42:26pm

re: #350 simoom

There has also been a Dead Like Me TV movie made starring Ellen Munn in her role from the series. I think it showed on Sci-fi, but I’m not certain.

354 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:44:56pm

re: #352 Jimmah

I agree with that, my point is that moronic publications like ‘PigMan’ and the attitude that goes with it - ie that of the ‘Anti-Jihad movement’ - are not the way to go about it. They just muddy the water and make the job of opposing religious bullshit much more problematic.

OK. My focus remains on Islam, though, and not some generic “religious bullshit”.

How many divisions does the Pope have?

How many nukes has Pakistan? How many divisions in Iran?

I’m going to have to go with the view that we are far more in danger from Islam than from any “religious bullshit” that Glenn Beck might espouse.

355 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:47:36pm

re: #351 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. Not so much ‘anti-jihad’ as ‘pro-freedom’. Much better to define yourself by what you are for, rather than what you are against.

I disagree. We need to face it squarely and head on without dancing sideways and diluting the issue.
Radical Islam is the specific enemy which needs to be specifically targeted.
Anti-jihad is just fine.

356 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:47:56pm

re: #346 Jimmah

I just think you chose your words poorly in this instance, rather than you outright stating that opposition to jihadists equals islamaphobia.

We can piss on each others shoes over other subjects where we disagree, which I am sure there may well be many, but overall you have never struck me as an apologist for islamism.

357 simoom  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:52:13pm

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

There has also been a Dead Like Me TV movie made starring Ellen Munn in her role from the series. I think it showed on Sci-fi, but I’m not certain.

Thanks! I’ll keep a look out for it.

I’m off to bed, but I’ll leave one more song from the show on my way out:

Métisse - Boom Boom Ba
Youtube Video g’night

358 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:53:25pm

re: #356 Slumbering Behemoth

I just think you chose your words poorly in this instance, rather than you outright stating that opposition to jihadists equals islamaphobia.

We can piss on each others shoes over other subjects where we disagree, which I am sure there may well be many, but overall you have never struck me as an apologist for islamism.

I reject the word “Islamophobia” as a description of those who oppose Islam, just as I would reject “Christophobia” if applied to those who oppose Christian theocracy.

I also reject the distinction between “Islamism” and Islam as it currently exists.

359 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:53:43pm

re: #356 Slumbering Behemoth

I just think you chose your words poorly in this instance, rather than you outright stating that opposition to jihadists equals islamaphobia.

We can piss on each others shoes over other subjects where we disagree, which I am sure there may well be many, but overall you have never struck me as an apologist for islamism.

SB, I’ve come to consider the term ‘Anti-Jihadist’ to be thoroughly discredited. It’s become the trademark for the sort of bigoted opposition to the entire muslim world that Spencer et al promote , and I want nothing to do with it.

360 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:54:21pm

re: #355 Spare O’Lake

I disagree. We need to face it squarely and head on without dancing sideways and diluting the issue.
Radical Islam is the specific enemy which needs to be specifically targeted.
Anti-jihad is just fine.

Good point.

361 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:56:23pm

re: #351 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. Not so much ‘anti-jihad’ as ‘pro-freedom’. Much better to define yourself by what you are for, rather than what you are against.

Yes and sometimes it gets problematic when words get co-opted too…I take it as a given that all of us are anti-jihad here, whatever we want to call that position, and then you have various nutbars like Geller and Spencer who define themselves that way but are fascists, fascist apologists, shrieking harpies, joiner of genocidal groups on facebook, and the like.
My cold is suddenly killing me right now so maybe this isn’t making a lot of sense. Time for more meds!

362 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:56:43pm

re: #359 Jimmah

SB, I’ve come to consider the term ‘Anti-Jihadist’ to be thoroughly discredited. It’s become the trademark for the sort of bigoted opposition to the entire muslim world that Spencer et al promote , and I want nothing to do with it.

That is a textbook case of allowing your enemies to define terms.

I am a proud anti-Jihadist who thinks Spencer has done immeasurable harm to the cause. Just as I’m a Catholic who believes Holocaust-denying bishops have no place in the Church. But I will not stop calling myself a Catholic because of them.

363 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:57:23pm

re: #359 Jimmah

SB, I’ve come to consider the term ‘Anti-Jihadist’ to be thoroughly discredited. It’s become the trademark for the sort of bigoted opposition to the entire muslim world that Spencer et al promote , and I want nothing to do with it.

Hey, thats what I was just saying! albeit in a roundabout and muddled fashion. You beat me to it.

364 Irenicum  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:57:53pm

I believe Islam is on the verge of its reformation. They don’t have their “Luther,” so to speak, a reformer protected by a ruler, as yet. But enough voices of dissent are rising up that eventually someone will get the ear of a prince, mullah, or king that they will provide a vision that others can follow and improve upon. Whoever that leader is, they will have access to many voices of reform within Islam who have already spoken, but who have been marginalized or killed. Ultimately however, this is going to have to be an in-house program. So, in that regard, we should hope and pray for enlightened leadership among Muslim political leaders who would be willing to cultivate and protect religious reformers. But remember that even after the Christian reformation, there were religious wars that erupted for over a hundred years precisely because of that reformation (but not really. It was really about land and power). So even if there is a Muslim reformation, Islam needs its own “season” to process that change. But in the nuclear era, that season is more dangerous than in any time past. That’s what makes this transition so scary.

365 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:58:48pm

re: #362 Cato the Elder

That is a textbook case of allowing your enemies to define terms.

I am a proud anti-Jihadist who thinks Spencer has done immeasurable harm to the cause. Just as I’m a Catholic who believes Holocaust-denying bishops have no place in the Church. But I will not stop calling myself a Catholic because of them.

Not the best analogy— as you yourself know membership in the Catholic Church isn’t predicated upon or constituted by one’s belief that a certain bishop should be a bishop or not, but on other factors entirely.

366 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:59:44pm

re: #359 Jimmah

SB, I’ve come to consider the term ‘Anti-Jihadist’ to be thoroughly discredited. It’s become the trademark for the sort of bigoted opposition to the entire muslim world that Spencer et al promote , and I want nothing to do with it.

Don’t let the haters define the term. I am anti-jihadist, yet I will have no truck with fascist/bigoted movements.

367 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:00:50pm

re: #365 iceweasel

Not the best analogy— as you yourself know membership in the Catholic Church isn’t predicated upon or constituted by one’s belief that a certain bishop should be a bishop or not, but on other factors entirely.

Nor is membership in the anti-Jihad predicated on one’s beliefs or opinions about Shrieks or the Muffin Man.

368 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:01:08pm

re: #352 Jimmah

I agree with that, my point is that moronic publications like ‘PigMan’ and the attitude that goes with it - ie that of the ‘Anti-Jihad movement’ - are not the way to go about it. They just muddy the water and make the job of opposing religious bullshit much more problematic.

Lumping Islamofascism in with all the other “religious bullshit” is, whether intentional or not, a moral equivocation and a dodge of the clear and present threat posed by radical Islam and all their enablers.

369 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:03:10pm

re: #364 Irenicum

So even if there is a Muslim reformation, Islam needs its own “season” to process that change. But in the nuclear era, that season is more dangerous than in any time past. That’s what makes this transition so scary.

And sadly, in the era of WMDs and global terrorism, upheavals like what you described are the things the world will try like hell to prevent. In the current era, uncertainty can prove deadly to tens of millions, not just to tens of thousands as before.

370 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:03:30pm

re: #364 Irenicum

I believe Islam is on the verge of its reformation. They don’t have their “Luther,” so to speak, a reformer protected by a ruler, as yet. But enough voices of dissent are rising up that eventually someone will get the ear of a prince, mullah, or king that they will provide a vision that others can follow and improve upon. Whoever that leader is, they will have access to many voices of reform within Islam who have already spoken, but who have been marginalized or killed. Ultimately however, this is going to have to be an in-house program. So, in that regard, we should hope and pray for enlightened leadership among Muslim political leaders who would be willing to cultivate and protect religious reformers. But remember that even after the Christian reformation, there were religious wars that erupted for over a hundred years precisely because of that reformation (but not really. It was really about land and power). So even if there is a Muslim reformation, Islam needs its own “season” to process that change. But in the nuclear era, that season is more dangerous than in any time past. That’s what makes this transition so scary.

Your belief is my hope, but neither is based on anything I see happening.

371 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:04:53pm

re: #367 Cato the Elder

Nor is membership in the anti-Jihad predicated on one’s beliefs or opinions about Shrieks or the Muffin Man.

That’s the problem though and why your analogy is a bad one. There is a very clear set of criteria for what makes someone a Catholic. It’s the one laid out by the Church. Other people who call themselves Catholics can always be adjudicated by those standards.

We have an issue about what constitutes membership in the anti-jihadist movement or position that has no such authoritative definition. That’s why the term can be co-opted by the loudest and shriekiest voices, and has been.

At this point this is really just an argument about what words we all use, nothing more, as we’re all of us on the same page about all the issues.

372 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:06:02pm

re: #308 Cato the Elder

Well, one of my moonbat friends insists that all new cars are seekritly being equipped with user-inaccessible, hidden GPS devices to allow “them” to follow drivers wherever they go. The technology, according to him, was developed for the Chinese by “them” (= US = evil American corporations) - as chips embedded in Chinese ID cards that tell the Chink authorities where every body (literally) is at all times. According to my source, the penalty for throwing away or disabling your Chinese GPS-equipped ID is life in prison.

Natch, I googled it and found nothing to support this paranoid ideation. But I’ll bet you dollars to Chinese doughnuts that the “right” believes the same stuff.


eeheehee! I have a friend like that, she’s not QUITE to that level but she loves quackery and conspiracy theories about drugs and food ingredients. I’ve just resigned myself to the fact that I can’t really argue with it all, and just change the subject to more harmonious things.

373 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:07:02pm

re: #370 Spare O’Lake

Your belief is my hope, but neither is based on anything I see happening.


The green movement in Iran wasn’t signiciant to you?

374 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:08:08pm

re: #354 Cato the Elder

OK. My focus remains on Islam, though, and not some generic “religious bullshit”.

How many divisions does the Pope have?

How many nukes has Pakistan? How many divisions in Iran?

I’m going to have to go with the view that we are far more in danger from Islam than from any “religious bullshit” that Glenn Beck might espouse.

Religious bigotry of Christian origin has killed far more people in my part of the world than any other sort. And recently too. I personally, am at greater risk of suffering violence as a result of that, whether you choose to believe it or not. However, I don’t deny for a second that Islam is a more urgent problem worldwide. I oppose terrorism and atavistic attitudes that pose a threat to my secular, liberal values and freedoms no matter what their religious source, and will not be badgered into adopting the term ‘Anti-Jihadist’ to describe myself, for all the reasons I have given above.

You are welcome to try though.

375 Irenicum  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:08:21pm

re: #371 iceweasel

Case in point with all those who call themselves “true conservatives.” A true “conservative” is anyone who agrees with me, whoever me happens to be. With an ideological concept there is is no governing authority, so no one can ultimately “own” the term.

376 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:08:44pm

re: #363 iceweasel

Hey, thats what I was just saying! albeit in a roundabout and muddled fashion. You beat me to it.

You said it way better, cold and all.

377 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:10:14pm

re: #371 iceweasel

That’s the problem though and why your analogy is a bad one. There is a very clear set of criteria for what makes someone a Catholic. It’s the one laid out by the Church. Other people who call themselves Catholics can always be adjudicated by those standards.

We have an issue about what constitutes membership in the anti-jihadist movement or position that has no such authoritative definition. That’s why the term can be co-opted by the loudest and shriekiest voices, and has been.

At this point this is really just an argument about what words we all use, nothing more, as we’re all of us on the same page about all the issues.

Bishop Williamson is a Catholic by the standards of the Church. That does not mean I personally think he’s a good Catholic, or that I would obey his dictates, or invite him to dinner.

I for one refuse to let the shriekiest define anything. I’m part of the anti-Jihad, whether the Harpy thinks so or not.

378 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:10:32pm

re: #366 Slumbering Behemoth

Don’t let the haters define the term. I am anti-jihadist, yet I will have no truck with fascist/bigoted movements.

I wish it were up to me who defined that term. But it’s not - it’s already been redefined by hordes of religious supremacist nuts. I don’t see any point in engaging in denial on that.

379 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:11:06pm

re: #376 Spare O’Lake

You said it way better, cold and all.

Cheers Spare, but I had the benefit of having discussed this extensively with Jimmah earlier and was really just rephrasing some of what he’d said to me privately. As mentioned, he was in the middle of talking to me when he posted that fast comment here, and I was distracting him. :)

Feeling crappy now, so, nite all. Have a good one.

380 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:12:17pm

re: #374 Jimmah

Religious bigotry of Christian origin has killed far more people in my part of the world than any other sort. And recently too. I personally, am at greater risk of suffering violence as a result of that, whether you choose to believe it or not. However, I don’t deny for a second that Islam is a more urgent problem worldwide. I oppose terrorism and atavistic attitudes that pose a threat to my secular, liberal values and freedoms no matter what their religious source, and will not be badgered into adopting the term ‘Anti-Jihadist’ to describe myself, for all the reasons I have given above.

You are welcome to try though.

I have no interest whatsoever in modifying your self-description or anyone else’s.

381 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:12:31pm

re: #379 iceweasel

Cheers Spare, but I had the benefit of having discussed this extensively with Jimmah earlier and was really just rephrasing some of what he’d said to me privately. As mentioned, he was in the middle of talking to me when he posted that fast comment here, and I was distracting him. :)

Feeling crappy now, so, nite all. Have a good one.

Sleep well, ice.

382 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:14:30pm

I’m out too - night all :)

383 iceweasel  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:14:54pm

re: #377 Cato the Elder

Bishop Williamson is a Catholic by the standards of the Church. That does not mean I personally think he’s a good Catholic, or that I would obey his dictates, or invite him to dinner.

I for one refuse to let the shriekiest define anything. I’m part of the anti-Jihad, whether the Harpy thinks so or not.

Right, but there’s a starting point for discussion because we have an authoritative, constitutional set of criteria for ‘being a Catholic’ to start with.
In the case of ideological terms, as Irenicum pointed out, there aren’t such constitutive definitions. That’s why people can fight over what they call themselves and who gets to be called what. The boundaries are vague in the techincal philosophical sense of ‘vagueness’.
Cold medicine time for me, for sure.
Night all. Vale, Cato! as ever.

384 Irenicum  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:15:40pm

re: #373 WindUpBird

Actually, that was the first thing I thought of too. Educated Iranians may be the face of future Islam. But they need to identify with the poorer segments of Iranian society before they’re taken seriously by the larger public. They’re still seen as too ivory tower for most Muslims. And then there’s still the Sunni/Shia divide besides. Islam had their split early on, but no reformation to go with it. Thus reformation needs to occur in both Shia and Sunni Islam

385 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:15:46pm

re: #378 Jimmah

I wish it were up to me who defined that term. But it’s not - it’s already been redefined by hordes of religious supremacist nuts. I don’t see any point in engaging in denial on that.

You can make the same argument about the word “Catholic”. We’ve had arguments here about meaning of the Celtic cross. I refuse to let even the greatest hordes ever seen in history redefine things for me. I’m stubborn that way.

386 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:19:27pm

re: #368 Spare O’Lake

Lumping Islamofascism in with all the other “religious bullshit” is, whether intentional or not, a moral equivocation and a dodge of the clear and present threat posed by radical Islam and all their enablers.

Islamofascism is not the only radical religious meme that has a lock on oppressive ideology.

Here in the U.S. we have a Christofascist movement (Dominionism) which has a great deal of money, power and influence. No, they are not flying planes into buildings, but they are most certainly using their money, power, and influence to try to direct the U.S. towards a theocracy of their making.

Whether or not their efforts tend to bare fruit can be debated, but there is no debate about their existence. They are here. They are entrenched, and they have an agenda not at all dissimilar to the jihadists.

387 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:22:47pm

Shreiky harpie means nothing.
Fascist supporter/enabler is much more to the point.

388 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:29:17pm

re: #387 Spare O’Lake

Shreiky harpie means nothing.
Fascist supporter/enabler is much more to the point.

Concur, though harpy does make a fun pejorative.

Good night, guys.

389 Irenicum  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:32:03pm

G’nite and have a pleasant tomorrow.

390 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:34:26pm

re: #386 Slumbering Behemoth

Fair points. But the two are not in the same league and need to be taken on separately and prioritized differently.

391 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:39:00pm

re: #378 Jimmah

I wish it were up to me who defined that term. But it’s not - it’s already been redefined by hordes of religious supremacist nuts. I don’t see any point in engaging in denial on that.

I say it is a term to be defined by the beholder. I am anti-jihadist, I am anti-dominionist, and I will be become an anti-hinduist if they decide that coercion through violence, wealth, political influence and power should convert a free nation of individuals into servants of a theocracy.

Take that as you like. I am not a supremacist of any kind. I will not stand with fascists, I will not stand with bigots, and I will not stand with theocrats. Not of any stripe.

392 windsagio  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:41:26pm

hrm; I guess ‘anti-islamist’ is one of the sacred terms on here.

Kinda strange, imo.

393 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:46:03pm

re: #390 Spare O’Lake

Fair points. But the two are not in the same league and need to be taken on separately and prioritized differently.

True. One faction uses primitive shit-bird tactics, while the other uses more modern shit-bird tactics.

Their means are different, but their ends are the same… using religion as a tool of oppression and enslavement of free peoples, and to deny said people the right of self determination.

394 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:48:18pm

re: #392 windsagio

hrm; I guess ‘anti-islamist’ is one of the sacred terms on here.

Kinda strange, imo.

Perhaps I missed something… what do you mean by that?

395 windsagio  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:51:21pm

re: #394 Slumbering Behemoth

I mean, it was fairly clear what Jimmah meant with his comment, but people are so eager to identify as ‘anti-islamist’ that they got upset/defensive.

That kind of thing is always interesting me, why take such ownership of the term?

396 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:58:43pm

re: #393 Slumbering Behemoth

True. One faction uses primitive shit-bird tactics, while the other uses more modern shit-bird tactics.

Their means are different, but their ends are the same… using religion as a tool of oppression and enslavement of free peoples, and to deny said people the right of self determination.

Bottom line: Jihadists will take over your country, suppress all other religions, and then kill you if you do not submit to Islam.
The creationist/anti-gay/anti-abortion Christians want to do away with the separation of church and state to clear the way for them to legislate their agenda.
A world of difference in their objectives and, even moreso in the means they would use.
Not even close.

397 Jerusalemyte  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:11:20am

Look up at the mortar? In my experience you don’t see the mortar shell you only hear it explode.

Peace!

398 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:12:00am

re: #395 windsagio

Not clear to me.

399 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:12:42am

re: #395 windsagio

I mean, it was fairly clear what Jimmah meant with his comment, but people are so eager to identify as ‘anti-islamist’ that they got upset/defensive.

That kind of thing is always interesting me, why take such ownership of the term?

If we are going to tack in that direction, we could say that Jimmah is giving up ownership of the term to the fascist elements which oppose radical islam for their own political gains. That would be too easy.

As it would be too easy to say that some who oppose dominionists have a bigoted agenda christians, and therefore we should concede the term “anti-dominionist” to the fascist elements of the world that oppose christianity.

I will not toss away the moniker of “anti-jihadist” simply because a group of stupid, fascist assholes decide to take it for their own. Similarly, I will not toss away the moniker of “anti-dominionist” for the same reason.

400 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:23:39am

re: #396 Spare O’Lake

Bottom line: Jihadists will take over your country, suppress all other religions, and then kill you if you do not submit to Islam.
The creationist/anti-gay/anti-abortion Christians want to do away with the separation of church and state to clear the way for them to legislate their agenda.
A world of difference in their objectives and, even moreso in the means they would use.
Not even close.

Incorrect. If you knew anything about the dominionists, you would know that they are no different than the hard-core, fundamentalist islamists. They simply worship different deities.

They advocate the primitive murder of those who do not follow their strict religious doctrine, and they are no different than islamists in their desired ends.

Where you are correct is in the difference of their means to their ends. Jihadists seek their ends through terrorism and mass murder. Dominionists seek their ends by manipulation of the legislative and political process.

They are the same exact beast, just with different heads.

401 windsagio  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:05:28am

re: #399 Slumbering Behemoth

I get the impression that you and I think VERY VERY differently about the use of language >>

402 windsagio  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:06:58am

re: #401 windsagio

‘cuz we had a very freakin’ similar exchange about atheism and ‘religion’ last night. Diff’rent strokes, I guess ;)

403 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:28:13am

re: #401 windsagio

I get the impression that you and I think VERY VERY differently about the use of language >>

Not impossible.

404 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:36:30am

re: #402 windsagio

‘cuz we had a very freakin’ similar exchange about atheism and ‘religion’ last night. Diff’rent strokes, I guess ;)

Not so much a matter of strokes for different folks, as what is true by definition.

Individual atheists can display a level of zeal and dickishness equal to those of religious faith. Yet atheism itself, by definition, is not a religion.

405 windsagio  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:41:52am

re: #404 Slumbering Behemoth

would you compromise on ‘system of belief’?

The use of ‘religion’ in that discussion threw everything off ;)

406 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:48:39am

re: #404 Slumbering Behemoth

And before you ask again why this is important to me, I will invoke a certain Rushism (I hate doing this. Are you happy now?):

“Words mean things”.

If we cloud the meaning of words in order to make points for our own views, we significantly diminish any reasonable discussion that could be made on any given topic.

407 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:12:02am

re: #405 windsagio

would you compromise on ‘system of belief’?

Not exactly. Perhaps a “system of non-belief”? But even that is too simplistic.

The atheist does not believe in the Tooth Fairy, nor Santa Claus. The atheist does not believe in Zeus, nor Sekhmet. Not Baphomet, nor Beelzebub.

The atheist believes in no religious entities. Thus the distinction between “theism” and “atheism”.

Atheism, by definition, is not a religion. It is not a form of faith.

408 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:09:36am

re: #392 windsagio

hrm; I guess ‘anti-islamist’ is one of the sacred terms on here.

Kinda strange, imo.

The term we were discussing is “anti-Jihadist”. Pay attention.

409 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:07:35pm

re: #399 Slumbering Behemoth

If we are going to tack in that direction, we could say that Jimmah is giving up ownership of the term to the fascist elements which oppose radical islam for their own political gains. That would be too easy.

Yes I’m giving up ‘ownership’ of that term, but since that term has no function beyond identifying myself with a bunch of bigoted morons, I’m not in any way bothered about it.

Does the term ‘anti-jihadist’ do any work in combating terrorism? Nope - none whatsoever. Given it’s associations, just the reverse in fact. And I have to be honest here and say that I think the term itself thrives on a certain rather wingnutty paranoia, an assumption that unless one declares oneself to be anti-jihadist, then one is assumed to be somehow pro-jihad. That relinquishing it is to relinquish ‘the struggle’ against Islamisation, etc. I think this is nonsense.

For me rehabilitating it at this point is akin to attempting to rehabilitate the swastika. It’s become so tainted, despite its ‘true’, original meaning, that there’s really no point.

PS Consider the tedious and obvious tangents about the use of the swastika in Indian religious art and cries of Godwin’s law to have been anticipated and dealt with.

410 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 5:49:20pm

re: #407 Slumbering Behemoth

Atheism, by definition, is not a religion. It is not a form of faith.

Sez you.


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