Video: Tea Party Convention Attendees Speak
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A little slice of tea party life, from the National Tea Party Convention in Nashville.
451 comments
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freetoken Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:10:06am |
Glenn Reynolds did not approve of this video.
Therefore, it doesn’t exist.
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Ojoe Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:10:24am |
Voting more now but enjoying it less? ™
No need for tea parties,
Check out the Modern Whig Party. Sensible. Centrist. And here to stay.
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Soap_Man Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:10:34am |
These people really need to knock it off the colonial dress and tri-cornered hats. Those brave revolutionaries put their lives on the line to fight for freedom from a genuine oppressor. Playing dress-up and pretending your just like them is not only insulting, it also makes you look like an idiot.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:10:42am |
“I’ve claimed her!”
“I’m married but I’ve taken this one as well!”
Nothing at all Misogynistic about that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:10:55am |
I must say that although I do not like the Tea Party people, I find their habit of dressing up in Colonial costumes charming.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:12:01am |
re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist
From the costumes I thought it was in Philly. Oh my.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:12:56am |
“I’ll take him out at nine paces.”
Wow and here I thought only Zell Miller was that crazy, or at least that particular brand of crazy….
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Soap_Man Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:13:15am |
re: #3 Soap_Man
These people really need to knock it off the colonial dress and tri-cornered hats. Those brave revolutionaries put their lives on the line to fight for freedom from a genuine oppressor. Playing dress-up and pretending your just like them is not only insulting, it also makes you look like an idiot.
re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist
I must say that although I do not like the Tea Party people, I find their habit of dressing up in Colonial costumes charming.
We are going to have to agree to disagree here. :)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:14:03am |
Did I hear the guy in the funny hat right when he said “Forget your Superbowls”? Bastard!!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:14:43am |
re: #9 Soap_Man
We are going to have to agree to disagree here. :)
All right. I have no strong feelings about it, really, I just like eighteenth-century dress.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:14:57am |
How do we not have the constitution recognized as the governing document for determining who can run for president?
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jaunte Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:16:04am |
The attendance at these events would shrink quickly if those people were forced to endure Orly Taitz as a speaker.
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kellygrrrl Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:16:53am |
I’m a Little Tea Pot … wonder if the teabaggers have taken a daily position on their endorsements of Sarah Palin and Rand Paul. It’s really hard to keep up with these randy ‘baggers.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:17:12am |
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b_sharp Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:18:11am |
I wonder if any of these ‘Tea Party’ers drink green tea?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:18:18am |
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Racer X Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:18:19am |
Almost as bad as the old Jay Leno person on the street interviews.
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Soap_Man Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:19:31am |
re: #16 b_sharp
I wonder if any of these ‘Tea Party’ers drink green tea?
Phht, that’s elitist shit. Americans drink Lipton bitches!!///
(Seriously though, someone once made fun of me for drinking green tea. He called me a “dandy”)
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webevintage Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:20:07am |
re: #15 Varek Raith
/:)
That would be awesome….
If MORE people wore costumes to Tea Party events it would be like comic con but with a historical flare.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:21:35am |
re: #12 jamesfirecat
How do we not have the constitution recognized as the governing document for determining who can run for president?
It’s a Glenn Beck/Birch society thing. According to the Birch Society we started to stray from the Constitution soon after our founding. They only approve of very few of our Presidents. According to them most of the Presidents were part of a plot to destroy the country and the constitution.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:21:47am |
Don Peck continues, quoting Heidi Shierholz, an economist at the Economic Policy Institute:
“We haven’t seen anything like this before: a really deep recession combined with a really extended period, maybe as much as eight years, all told, of highly elevated unemployment,” Shierholz told me. “We’re about to see a big national experiment on stress.”
There will be much angst into which the Tea Partiers will be able to tap.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:22:01am |
Mr. Yellow Cape, you seem reasonably sane, but nobody is going to take you seriously WHILE YOU’RE WEARING A CAPE!
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:23:12am |
re: #24 jamesfirecat
Mr. Yellow Cape, you seem reasonably sane, but nobody is going to take you seriously WHILE YOU’RE WEARING A CAPE!
Capeist!
/
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:23:31am |
re: #22 Killgore Trout
It’s a Glenn Beck/Birch society thing. According to the Birch Society we started to stray from the Constitution soon after our founding. They only approve of very few of our Presidents. According to them most of the Presidents were part of a plot to destroy the country and the constitution.
Well the lady who said what made me asked that question later proved herself to later on be a nirther so simple question, simple answer in that case….
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b_sharp Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:24:15am |
re: #21 webevintage
That would be awesome…
If MORE people wore costumes to Tea Party events it would be like comic con but with a historical flare.
A nekid tea party would get more publicity.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:24:39am |
I remember when it wasn’t cool to wear flag clothing.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:25:39am |
“We love George Bush!”
You know I prefer it when these people claim Bush wasn’t a real Republican, it proves that least they can tell when someone has f***ed up….
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Racer X Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:27:19am |
No, this did not start with Barrack Obama.
This started with the leaders in congress over the past 8-10 years. They have been enacting policies that are detrimental to America’s success. They are spending money at an alarming rate - and putting us further into debt that will be near impossible to climb out of.
We need leaders who will put policies in place to reverse this trend. I don’t see the current administration doing anything to succeed in this area.
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Soap_Man Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:29:22am |
re: #30 Racer X
No, this did not start with Barrack Obama.
This started with the leaders in congress over the past 8-10 years. They have been enacting policies that are detrimental to America’s success. They are spending money at an alarming rate - and putting us further into debt that will be near impossible to climb out of.
We need leaders who will put policies in place to reverse this trend. I don’t see the current administration doing anything to succeed in this area.
Ahh, bipartisanship. The only thing the two parties can agree on is a shocking lack of fiscal responsibility.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:30:37am |
re: #30 Racer X
No, this did not start with Barrack Obama.
This started with the leaders in congress over the past 8-10 years. They have been enacting policies that are detrimental to America’s success. They are spending money at an alarming rate - and putting us further into debt that will be near impossible to climb out of.
We need leaders who will put policies in place to reverse this trend. I don’t see the current administration doing anything to succeed in this area.
The thing is, their first organized protest iirc, was 4/15/09. Nothing before that date. It’s suspect that they were waiting for the right moment to finally speak out and it happened to occur with a new president.
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filetandrelease Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:34:43am |
NJ has created a mess but now has hope. If Christie can pull off a miricle in NJ maybe he can run for President in 2016?
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:35:41am |
Since it was being discussed in the previous thread — at 1:37 a black woman walks past in the background.
Everyone else in the entire 11-minute video is white.
One of the people interviewed even says the media claims there’s no diversity in the tea parties, then says, “There isn’t! But it’s not like anyone’s being held back from bein’ here.”
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:36:42am |
re: #34 filetandrelease
NJ has created a mess but now has hope. If Christie can pull off a miricle in NJ maybe he can run for President in 2016?
He’s starting to try.
wcbstv.com
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filetandrelease Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:37:51am |
re: #36 Cannadian Club Akbar
He’s starting to try.
[Link: wcbstv.com…]
I have been reading comment sections on various articles and the locals love him. The politicians hate him.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:38:13am |
re: #35 Charles
Since it was being discussed in the previous thread — at 1:37 a black woman walks past in the background.
Everyone else in the entire 11-minute video is white.
One of the people interviewed even says the media claims there’s no diversity in the tea parties, then says, “There isn’t! But it’s not like anyone’s being held back from bein’ here.”
I just noticed that too.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:39:02am |
re: #37 filetandrelease
I have been reading comment sections on various articles and the locals love him. The politicians hate him.
Good. He must be doing something right.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:39:52am |
re: #2 Ojoe
Voting more now but enjoying it less? ™
No need for tea parties,
Check out the Modern Whig Party. Sensible. Centrist. And here to stay.
Chinese New Year ding.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:40:31am |
re: #35 Charles
Among the 304 million or so people who make up “America”, about 2/3 fit the category of “white, non-hispanic”. Yet it appears that 98% or more of the Tea Partiers are “white, non-hispanic”.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:40:43am |
re: #2 Ojoe
Voting more now but enjoying it less? ™
No need for tea parties,
Check out the Modern Whig Party. Sensible. Centrist. And here to stay.
Interesting, although the name conjures up an image of the guy in fancy dress.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:41:30am |
re: #20 Soap_Man
Phht, that’s elitist shit. Americans drink Lipton bitches!!///
(Seriously though, someone once made fun of me for drinking green tea. He called me a “dandy”)
Knew a woman once whose Hungarian-born husband kind of freaked out one day because he thought Colonel Lipton was Stalin.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:42:25am |
The guy at 4:30 has an explanation why there’s so few blacks attending. He says because so many blacks are socialists they are mostly too un-American.
Lovely.
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:42:52am |
re: #33 Stanley Sea
The thing is, their first organized protest iirc, was 4/15/09. Nothing before that date. It’s suspect that they were waiting for the right moment to finally speak out and it happened to occur with a new president.
Just a little bit.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:43:32am |
re: #35 Charles
Since it was being discussed in the previous thread — at 1:37 a black woman walks past in the background.
Everyone else in the entire 11-minute video is white.
One of the people interviewed even says the media claims there’s no diversity in the tea parties, then says, “There isn’t! But it’s not like anyone’s being held back from bein’ here.”
The early CSPAN one-on-one with Tricorn Man had a young black man w/ cell phone do a walkthrough. He looked like security, or someone hunting the john. Two robins do not make a Spring.
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filetandrelease Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:44:41am |
re: #33 Stanley Sea
The thing is, their first organized protest iirc, was 4/15/09. Nothing before that date. It’s suspect that they were waiting for the right moment to finally speak out and it happened to occur with a new president.
The conspiracy nuts conspired!
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sagehen Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:45:00am |
re: #41 freetoken
Among the 304 million or so people who make up “America”, about 2/3 fit the category of “white, non-hispanic”. Yet it appears that 98% or more of the Tea Partiers are “white, non-hispanic”.
I’d guess there’s also a much higher percentage of evangelical christians at the event than in the population at large, and a much lower percentage of college graduates, but… is there any way to confirm or refute that guess?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:45:15am |
re: #35 Charles
Since it was being discussed in the previous thread — at 1:37 a black woman walks past in the background.
Everyone else in the entire 11-minute video is white.
One of the people interviewed even says the media claims there’s no diversity in the tea parties, then says, “There isn’t! But it’s not like anyone’s being held back from bein’ here.”
Totally OT, one of the Black History Month decorations we put up at the school was a big bulletin board titled ‘Shades of Our Diversity’. They have photos of different black students around the school, who have described their heritage on the little caption cards. It’s a cool-looking thing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:46:02am |
re: #41 freetoken
Among the 304 million or so people who make up “America”, about 2/3 fit the category of “white, non-hispanic”. Yet it appears that 98% or more of the Tea Partiers are “white, non-hispanic”.
I suppose many of them could be White, Hispanic, but we just don’t know.
It could be!
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Linden Arden Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:46:14am |
What none of these people know:
Moussaoui (20th 9/11 hijacker) was tried and convicted in Virginia in 2006.
Bush left a $1.3 trillion deficit as scored by the CBO for 2009.
Obama has continued support for FISA and other investigative procedures.
Obama cut their taxes $288 billion - 1/3 of the stimulus.
I would go on but it is entirely useless to attempt to reason with them.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:46:41am |
re: #45 Killgore Trout
The guy at 4:30 has an explanation why there’s so few blacks attending. He says because so many blacks are socialists they are mostly too un-American.
Lovely.
/
There are a lot of black socialists? More than, you know, other kinds of socialists?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:46:53am |
I found another example of ethnic diversity at 6:52 but she seems to be a hotel employee holding open the door. I don’t think we can counter her.
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sagehen Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:46:54am |
re: #33 Stanley Sea
The thing is, their first organized protest iirc, was 4/15/09. Nothing before that date. It’s suspect that they were waiting for the right moment to finally speak out and it happened to occur with a new president.
That’s just ‘cause until 1/20/09, Fox News was adamant that it was un-American to criticize the president. Any president. Ever. (until it suddenly wasn’t).
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:47:40am |
re: #47 Decatur Deb
The early CSPAN one-on-one with Tricorn Man had a young black man w/ cell phone do a walkthrough. He looked like security, or someone hunting the john. Two robins do not make a Spring.
If he’s doing security, though, at least he’s going to have some very interesting stories to tell his wife and kids over dinner. More entertaining than Daddy’s usual stories about drunk Shriners.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:47:51am |
re: #56 sagehen
That’s just ‘cause until 1/20/09, Fox News was adamant that it was un-American to criticize the president. Any president. Ever. (until it suddenly wasn’t).
And the Dems before then said it was patriotic.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:49:33am |
re: #58 Cannadian Club Akbar
And the Dems before then said it was patriotic.
So, basically, we have consistency. The American people agree, uniformly, that it is patriotic to criticize a president you do not like.
/
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sagehen Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:50:24am |
re: #53 MandyManners
Why would you make that assumption?
Because the creationism and birther stuff doesn’t have as much traction with the well-educated.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:50:52am |
re: #58 Cannadian Club Akbar
And the Dems before then said it was patriotic.
Have the dems come down on the Republicans as saying what they’re doing is unpatriotic beyond simply reminding the Repubs what they were saying in their own words?
(I don’t doubt its possible, we’ve f***ed up a bunch of other things in the past…)
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:54:25am |
re: #61 jamesfirecat
Have the dems come down on the Republicans as saying what they’re doing is unpatriotic beyond simply reminding the Repubs what they were saying in their own words?
(I don’t doubt its possible, we’ve f***ed up a bunch of other things in the past…)
I don’t know. I just know that the phrase “Are we allowed to question their patriotism now?” has rung through my head a couple of times.
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EastSider Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:56:41am |
The best weapon against the Tea Partiers seems to be a mirror. When you hold up their big messages in the light of day you find few people to stand by it.
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filetandrelease Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:04:54pm |
♥♥♥ Happy Valintines Day everyone ♥♥♥ (except my friends in Saudi Arabia, no offence to you☺)
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:07:22pm |
re: #64 filetandrelease
♥♥♥ Happy Valintines Day everyone ♥♥♥ (except my friends in Saudi Arabia, no offence to you☺)
Oh heck, I’m gonna wish a Happy Valentine’s Day anyway, to our Saudi friends who have secretly smuggled heart-shaped boxes of chocolates home to their wives. Taking risks for love should be applauded.
/
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:12:31pm |
Uh oh. Looks like the Black Bloc is up to their stupid shenegans again. Small riot/protest in downtown Vancouver. Windows smashed, graffiti on cars and buildings and the cops out in full riot gear. Major bridge has been shut down.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:23:17pm |
re: #66 Jadespring
Uh oh. Looks like the Black Bloc is up to their stupid shenegans again. Small riot/protest in downtown Vancouver. Windows smashed, graffiti on cars and buildings and the cops out in full riot gear. Major bridge has been shut down.
Does this particular “expression” have a point, or is it just smashing for the sake of smashing?
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:23:41pm |
re: #67 MandyManners
Black Bloc?
Spontaneous congregations of anarcho-activists, usually drawn together for one action or event.
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:23:49pm |
re: #67 MandyManners
Black Bloc?
Anarchists basically. They’re the ones that show up at protests in NA and other parts of the world, with black masks on and usually dressed in black.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:24:16pm |
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freetoken Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:24:55pm |
I’ve always thought Black Bloc was more of a shared technique than a single organization.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:25:03pm |
re: #74 MandyManners
Trust-fund kids?
There are some trustafarians in the Black Blocs, but, in general, they’re just your typical pissed off lumpen-bourg kiddos.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:25:21pm |
re: #52 Linden Arden
What none of these people know:
Moussaoui (20th 9/11 hijacker) was tried and convicted in Virginia in 2006.
Bush left a $1.3 trillion deficit as scored by the CBO for 2009.
Obama has continued support for FISA and other investigative procedures.
Obama cut their taxes $288 billion - 1/3 of the stimulus.I would go on but it is entirely useless to attempt to reason with them.
riiight…because BO is going to leave us with a smaller deficit, lower taxes, and spent no time criticizing any of the Bush-era antiterror measures that he is now adopting…
these people can be crazy and you can still be a few items short of a good point, mon ami…
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:25:26pm |
re: #75 freetoken
I’ve always thought Black Bloc was more of a shared technique than a single organization.
re: #70 Guanxi88
Spontaneous congregations of anarcho-activists, usually drawn together for one action or event.
Yep - a clever force-multiplier.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:25:59pm |
re: #67 MandyManners
Black Bloc?
Pseudo-anarchists. Show up for all the anti-WTO stuff, etc., etc.
Violent and nasty. All the lefty protesters of my acquaintance steer as far away from them as possible, because they’re assholes, and because they tend to get the cops in riot control mode.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:26:10pm |
re: #80 MandyManners
Maybe they need to get jobs and baths.
They’ve got or had at least one of the two, and were displeased.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:26:36pm |
re: #74 MandyManners
Trust-fund kids?
Assholes. I don’t know any of their personal backgrounds. Won’t go near them.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:26:59pm |
re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist
Pseudo-anarchists. Show up for all the anti-WTO stuff, etc., etc.
Violent and nasty. All the lefty protesters of my acquaintance steer as far away from them as possible, because they’re assholes, and because they tend to get the cops in riot control mode.
provoking an over-reaction from the authorities is one of the goals of their “actions” - to show the raw underbelly, as it were.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:27:07pm |
re: #73 Guanxi88
Organized anarchists - the worst kind.
Emma Goldman would have kicked their little heinies.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:27:35pm |
re: #75 freetoken
I’ve always thought Black Bloc was more of a shared technique than a single organization.
i agree, except i believe that it’s fair to generally cast them as ‘radical left’.
not that this tips the balance, mind you. i’m wishful, but i’m not blind…
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freetoken Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:27:48pm |
re: #80 MandyManners
Maybe they need to get jobs and baths.
Recommend the spin-off link I posted to the Atlantic article on permanent job loss in America.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:28:05pm |
re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist
Emma Goldman would have kicked their little heinies.
And would have already penned a vigorous essay before she’d finished cleaning her shoes. A tough, smart lady.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:29:04pm |
re: #85 MandyManners
Any trooferism?
I’d bet on it, without any direct evidence available to me at the time. Would fit into their basic world view.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:29:20pm |
re: #86 Guanxi88
provoking an over-reaction from the authorities is one of the goals of their “actions” - to show the raw underbelly, as it were.
i love watching the underbelly of a violent protester writhing in pepper-induced pain…
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:29:23pm |
re: #68 Aceofwhat?
Does this particular “expression” have a point, or is it just smashing for the sake of smashing?
Well it does and it doesn’t. There is a lot of protesting around the Olympics about various issues has been since it was announced. About 3000-4000 last night while the opening was on and very many instances of protest during the torch run with several causing the run to be re-routed. What I mean by it does is that they are supposedly protesting the same sort of things but doesn’t because they don’t represent the majority of protesters with these sorts of tactics. Most people protesting detest these folk and get pissed when they try to turn a peaceful demo into something stupid.
It sounds like this was something they did on their own though as there was only a couple of hundred.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:30:42pm |
re: #89 MandyManners
Speaking troof to power with a Molotov.
The thing about these anarchists is that, excluding the Black Bloc - who I consider to be to politics what the Hell’s Angels were to the Rolling Stones - they’re generally a very well-behaved and civilized lot. Their abundant faith in humanity leads them to believe that they could always and everywhere rely on the same courtesy they themselves display and receive. If the world only consisted of anarchists and decent folk, it might just work.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:31:20pm |
re: #97 MandyManners
They’d pee in the boxers if they were dropped into real action, say in Afghanistan.
Apropos of nothing at all, does anyone remember the “Malcolm in the Middle” episode where Reese joined the Army with fake ID to get away from home, and Lois has to go to Afghanistan to track him down and bring him home?
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:32:02pm |
re: #85 MandyManners
Any trooferism?
Dunno. They aren’t really an organized group in that they follow a strict political ideology or strict beliefs.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:32:28pm |
re: #98 Guanxi88
The thing about these anarchists is that, excluding the Black Bloc - who I consider to be to politics what the Hell’s Angels were to the Rolling Stones - they’re generally a very well-behaved and civilized lot. Their abundant faith in humanity leads them to believe that they could always and everywhere rely on the same courtesy they themselves display and receive. If the world only consisted of anarchists and decent folk, it might just work.
Oh, anarchists are generally OK, strange but OK. The local chapter have a soccer team that plays the local socialists’ team. But Black Bloc is trouble.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:33:45pm |
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:33:49pm |
re: #103 Aceofwhat?
civilized anarchy, huh?
I know - we associate the word with chaos and disorder - they associate it with the free space in which equals meet and respect each other. In other words, their theories and aspirations are built upon the presupposition of a framework and environment that can only be provided - imperfectly, and not everywhere - by the state.
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:33:57pm |
re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist
Pseudo-anarchists. Show up for all the anti-WTO stuff, etc., etc.
Violent and nasty. All the lefty protesters of my acquaintance steer as far away from them as possible, because they’re assholes, and because they tend to get the cops in riot control mode.
They tend to attract a lot of vandals or hoodlums who get to fulfill their pathological need for vandalism while masking it under the banner of anarchy. The other half are involved more or less as a fashion statement.
Since there was some dabbling on race in the previous thread it should be noted that it is mostly represented by white males.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:34:40pm |
re: #107 MandyManners
No but it sounds like something The Kid would do.
Reese is undercover, disguised in a burqa if I recall right, and Lois is marching like a one-woman army across Afghanistan, scaring the hell out of warlords, and generally pissed off.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:35:30pm |
Black Bloc are nihilists of the old school - burn down, blow up, smash and start all over again.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:35:47pm |
re: #110 Gus 802
They tend to attract a lot of vandals or hoodlums who get to fulfill their pathological need for vandalism while masking it under the banner of anarchy. The other half are involved more or less as a fashion statement.
Since there was some dabbling on race in the previous thread it should be noted that it is mostly represented by white males.
I hate to be like this, but what is it about white males?
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:36:35pm |
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:36:57pm |
re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist
I hate to be like this, but what is it about white males?
/
Women.
/ducks.
:)
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:37:14pm |
re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist
I hate to be like this, but what is it about white males?
/
That’s easy. Look at the history of the Western European peoples - up until, say, 150 years ago, your average young Western European male was, at least potentially, a walking, talking god of war, sent out from his homeland to set the world aright.
A couple generations of that, and you start selecting for aggression and that sort of thing.
A flip theory, and worth exactly what it cost you to hear it.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:37:36pm |
re: #102 Jadespring
Dunno. They aren’t really an organized group in that they follow a strict political ideology or strict beliefs.
Death to other people’s property values!!
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:38:05pm |
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:38:21pm |
re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist
Apropos of nothing at all, does anyone remember the “Malcolm in the Middle” episode where Reese joined the Army with fake ID to get away from home, and Lois has to go to Afghanistan to track him down and bring him home?
Loved that episode.
“Whatever happened to Mrs. Waffles?”
“She just didn’t capture the young girl demographic….”
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:39:17pm |
re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist
I hate to be like this, but what is it about white males?
/
Privilege!
/
I don’t know. They’re a rather large demographic as it is and when you add rage and/or politics and combine that with male hormones.
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webevintage Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:39:30pm |
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:40:28pm |
re: #126 Gus 802
Privilege!
/
I don’t know. They’re a rather large demographic as it is and when you add rage and/or politics and combine that with male hormones.
Booze. You forgot the booze.
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:41:08pm |
re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist
I hate to be like this, but what is it about white males?
/
Well I’ve seen these people in person once and yes I would say mostly males and most white. Lots of women though.
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:41:30pm |
re: #128 jaunte
It’s the hormones.
Yeah, because it’s the same in other countries and reflects the predominant race in those countries.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:42:07pm |
re: #131 Jadespring
Lots of women though.
Frankly, a female fanatic - irrespective of cause - is, at least to me, more terrifying than a male.
That whole Furies thing, I reckon.
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Locker Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:42:23pm |
re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist
I hate to be like this, but what is it about white males?
/
We can’t deal with our overwhelmingly strong resemblance to a walking glass of two percent milk.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:42:28pm |
re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist
I hate to be like this, but what is it about white males?
/
It’s Vancouver…that’s all they have…
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:42:29pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:42:31pm |
re: #120 Guanxi88
That’s easy. Look at the history of the Western European peoples - up until, say, 150 years ago, your average young Western European male was, at least potentially, a walking, talking god of war, sent out from his homeland to set the world aright.
A couple generations of that, and you start selecting for aggression and that sort of thing.
A flip theory, and worth exactly what it cost you to hear it.
That reminds me a bit of the chapter in “Custer Died For Your Sins”, when Vine Deloria talks about the gooey social theorist who decided that the problem with the Sioux was that they were warriors without battles to fight.
Deloria’s suggestion, riffing on this, was that they should run a wagon train through the rez right after lunch every day, and let the guys attack it, just to keep them in good psychological shape.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:43:28pm |
re: #138 Locker
We can’t deal with our overwhelmingly strong resemblance to a walking glass of two percent milk.
Ah. You must be a distant relative of my husband’s.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:43:43pm |
re: #141 SanFranciscoZionist
That reminds me a bit of the chapter in “Custer Died For Your Sins”, when Vine Deloria talks about the gooey social theorist who decided that the problem with the Sioux was that they were warriors without battles to fight.
Deloria’s suggestion, riffing on this, was that they should run a wagon train through the rez right after lunch every day, and let the guys attack it, just to keep them in good psychological shape.
Absolutely. It’s called a “gym”!
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:43:50pm |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:44:00pm |
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oldegeezr Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:44:50pm |
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celticdragon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:45:03pm |
re: #3 Soap_Man
These people really need to knock it off the colonial dress and tri-cornered hats. Those brave revolutionaries put their lives on the line to fight for freedom from a genuine oppressor. Playing dress-up and pretending your just like them is not only insulting, it also makes you look like an idiot.
Damned straight. I am in a Revolutionary War historical re-enacting unit (the Guilford Militia), and we have nothing to do with these idiots. I hope that people who come to see us at Guilford Courthouse Military Park understand that.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:45:13pm |
re: #147 MandyManners
If you break shit there, they cancel your membership.
the ‘roid heads who go to mine sure seem like they’re trying…
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:45:39pm |
re: #148 MandyManners
Vegan?
Maybe. I’m sure they’d have to do a lot of dumpster “foraging” to fulfill those needs.
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Locker Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:46:14pm |
Some Latin House music for a Saturday afternoon from WheresTheCulture.com:
Winamp: wherestheculture.com
Windows Media Player: wherestheculture.com
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:46:18pm |
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:47:25pm |
re: #158 MandyManners
What do they have against going into a grocery store and buying food?
That would require getting a job and having money.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:47:34pm |
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:47:43pm |
re: #150 celticdragon
Damned straight. I am in a Revolutionary War historical re-enacting unit (the Guilford Militia), and we have nothing to do with these idiots. I hope that people who come to see us at Guilford Courthouse Military Park understand that.
I’m going to be (near) there at the end of March! I don’t suppose there’s anything on the schedule for Easter?
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:48:30pm |
re: #159 Gus 802
That would require getting a job and having money.
Two things they are opposed to. Indeed, in anarchist intellectual circles, the critique of the “job” economy and wages have been constant topics since the birth of the movement, well over a century ago now.
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celticdragon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:48:55pm |
re: #126 Gus 802
Privilege!
/
I don’t know. They’re a rather large demographic as it is and when you add rage and/or politics and combine that with male hormones.
Don’t forget to add feelings of entitlement and grievance as well as around the clock propaganda from Fox News, RedState, Michelle Malkin, WorldNutDaily, TownHall and Free Republic
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:48:56pm |
re: #162 MandyManners
They can’t ask their parents?
Some of them do I suppose. The usual. Others are big on shop lifting.
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Locker Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:49:17pm |
re: #159 Gus 802
That would require getting a job and having money.
That and the strict No-Patchouli policy of most food stores ‘round here.
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:49:25pm |
re: #139 Aceofwhat?
It’s Vancouver…that’s all they have…
Huh? Vancouver is pretty much 50/50 visible POC now and in a few years it will likely be majority POC.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:49:42pm |
re: #164 celticdragon
Don’t forget to add feelings of entitlement and grievance as well as around the clock propaganda from Fox News, RedState, Michelle Malkin, WorldNutDaily, TownHall and Free Republic
Trust me - at least among the Black Bloc, the last 6 persons/orgs named would warrant a heavy work boot to the ribs and not much more.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:49:50pm |
re: #157 Guanxi88
That a new-ish pic of you, Walter?
Dig the oom paul and the memento mori.
Yes… I found the robe at the thrift store I work at, thought it was neat, purchased it fir 3.50 (it’s probably a 150.00 dollar robe) and took the picture.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:50:01pm |
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Jerk Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:50:28pm |
The guy in the beginning is obviously lost and confused. He must be returned to Colonial Williamsburg immediately.
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:50:38pm |
re: #170 MandyManners
I wonder how many are just common criminals who’ve found a shtick.
My guess would be a lot. It’s like being a young bum but with an ideological claim: anarchy.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:50:41pm |
re: #150 celticdragon
Damned straight. I am in a Revolutionary War historical re-enacting unit (the Guilford Militia), and we have nothing to do with these idiots. I hope that people who come to see us at Guilford Courthouse Military Park understand that.
nice plug….I would definitely see you guys if I could, and maybe I will someday….I love that stuff
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:50:45pm |
re: #163 Guanxi88
Two things they are opposed to. Indeed, in anarchist intellectual circles, the critique of the “job” economy and wages have been constant topics since the birth of the movement, well over a century ago now.
between “organized anarchy”, “civilized anarchy”, and now “anarchist intellectual circles”, we’re having quite the oxymoronfest…
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Locker Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:50:56pm |
re: #139 Aceofwhat?
It’s Vancouver…that’s all they have…
Just saw something about Vancouver and the Olympics:
Concerns over civil liberties were ramped up when the provincial government of British Columbia passed a law allowing Vancouver to ban anti-Olympic signs, even when they are on private property. Under that law, residents can be imprisoned for six months and fined $10,000 ($9,500 US) for not removing “offensive” signage. Equally alarming to some was a provision that allows police to enter private property without a warrant to remove the signs.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:51:02pm |
re: #171 Walter L. Newton
Yes… I found the robe at the thrift store I work at, thought it was neat, purchased it fir 3.50 (it’s probably a 150.00 dollar robe) and took the picture.
Some of my best clothes came from thrift shops. Some of the best gifts I’ve ever given, too, and, briefly, I made a bit of cash buying stuff from a thrift shop and then selling it to an antique dealer, until the two other parties got hip.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:51:20pm |
re: #168 Jadespring
Huh? Vancouver is pretty much 50/50 visible POC now and in a few years it will likely be majority POC.
sorry…POC?
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:52:00pm |
re: #181 MandyManners
I wonder how many could be diagnosed as sociopaths and psychopaths.
Think they’d sit still enough for that?
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:52:00pm |
re: #171 Walter L. Newton
Yes… I found the robe at the thrift store I work at, thought it was neat, purchased it fir 3.50 (it’s probably a 150.00 dollar robe) and took the picture.
gorgeous
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:52:07pm |
re: #171 Walter L. Newton
Yes… I found the robe at the thrift store I work at, thought it was neat, purchased it fir 3.50 (it’s probably a 150.00 dollar robe) and took the picture.
I see you are holding your head in your lap….cool
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:52:35pm |
re: #181 MandyManners
I wonder how many could be diagnosed as sociopaths and psychopaths.
The same. I don’t know if there’s a similar diagnosis with vandalism as their is with arsonists. I guess that would anti-social?
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:52:49pm |
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:52:58pm |
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:52:59pm |
re: #178 Locker
yep. freedom of expression remains a surprisingly unique right…
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celticdragon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:53:05pm |
re: #161 wrenchwench
I’m going to be (near) there at the end of March! I don’t suppose there’s anything on the schedule for Easter?
I’m not sure. Possibly. Email me a bit later and I’ll see what I can find out.
Alamance Battlefield is in May, and I am sure there are other events. :)
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:53:28pm |
re: #188 Jadespring
Sorry its a generalize term for non caucasian. People of Color.
you’re kidding. 50%?
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:53:57pm |
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celticdragon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:54:05pm |
re: #173 Jerk
The guy in the beginning is obviously lost and confused. He must be returned to Colonial Williamsburg immediately.
Nothing like Polyester Patriots!! :D
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:54:28pm |
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:55:05pm |
re: #191 Aceofwhat?
you’re kidding. 50%?
yeah - I mean, is there ANYBODY left in Hong Kong, if your numbers are correct?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:55:25pm |
My comment on the faulty computer programs and datasets used at the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University is almost ready.
It shows examples of programmatic and data construct problems under four different headings. General comments, The CRU TS 3.0 data set, real time RUN dialogs and some actual functions that can be examined.
It will run over 3 or 4 comments, since it is at 14 thousand words so far.
I will probably be posting it on Monday.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:55:51pm |
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:56:31pm |
re: #178 Locker
Yeah some of the security stuff has got people feeling a bit uncomfortable. Another issue is all of the cameras. The whole downtown is basically covered by them and last I heard its up in the air if they’re going to be removed after the games and if they’re not who exactly will be in charge of the monitoring. The price tag for all the security is now over a billion dollars.
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celticdragon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:56:54pm |
re: #175 albusteve
nice plug…I would definitely see you guys if I could, and maybe I will someday…I love that stuff
It is a blast to do. I am ordering my British Second Land Pattern “Brown Bess” Musket this week. :)
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:57:24pm |
re: #197 Walter L. Newton
My comment on the faulty computer programs and datasets used at the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University is almost ready.
It shows examples of programmatic and data construct problems under four different headings. General comments, The CRU TS 3.0 data set, real time RUN dialogs and some actual functions that can be examined.
It will run over 3 or 4 comments, since it is at 14 thousand words so far.
I will probably be posting it on Monday.
looking forward to it. i’ll stay glued.
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keloyd Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:58:20pm |
In order give context, we should have a youtube clip of the moonbats going at it at the last world bank meeting or up at the olympics. Speaking as a center-right person who hates on Palin and Orly Taitz as much as anyone, our least articulate, most costumificated, most naive activists are more clean, less vulgar, and less of a threat to others’ property and safety than the equivalent left wing demonstrators.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:58:38pm |
re: #179 Guanxi88
Some of my best clothes came from thrift shops. Some of the best gifts I’ve ever given, too, and, briefly, I made a bit of cash buying stuff from a thrift shop and then selling it to an antique dealer, until the two other parties got hip.
It’s against my employment contract to do that. I get 30 percent off the priced item, and if I have a manager price it before it get to the floor, the price is usually cheaper. I just picked up a working Palm Tungsten T3, with cradle and charger, for about 5.00. It was in one of my piles of furniture department electronic items, I had the manager price it before it went to the floor, and he priced it at 6.99. After my 30 percent discount… a cheap older tech media player.
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:58:42pm |
re: #197 Walter L. Newton
My comment on the faulty computer programs and datasets used at the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University is almost ready.
It shows examples of programmatic and data construct problems under four different headings. General comments, The CRU TS 3.0 data set, real time RUN dialogs and some actual functions that can be examined.
It will run over 3 or 4 comments, since it is at 14 thousand words so far.
I will probably be posting it on Monday.
Hi Walter! What language are they compiling in?
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:58:52pm |
re: #196 Guanxi88
yeah - I mean, is there ANYBODY left in Hong Kong, if your numbers are correct?
Not just Hong Kong. Pretty much every Asian and East Asian country you can think of. It’s a veritable melting pot.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:00:19pm |
re: #202 Aceofwhat?
looking forward to it. i’ll stay glued.
Thanks… I have had it run past two “editors” for readability and a few Lizards already have it in hand for input.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:00:43pm |
re: #207 Jadespring
Not just Hong Kong. Pretty much every Asian and East Asian country you can think of. It’s a veritable melting pot.
yeah, i just looked up the demographics. i had no idea the asian population was so huge. very interesting. thanks for correcting me!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:00:53pm |
re: #158 MandyManners
What do they have against going into a grocery store and buying food?
I read an essay once on some young feminist blog about dumpster harvesting—not because she couldn’t find work, but because as a grad student, the only work she could find was cubicle clerical stuff, and that was too demeaning.
I got pissed off.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:00:54pm |
re: #200 celticdragon
It is a blast to do. I am ordering my British Second Land Pattern “Brown Bess” Musket this week. :)
beautiful piece….I always wanted to delve into black powder…build a kit
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:02:34pm |
re: #191 Aceofwhat?
you’re kidding. 50%?
No I’m not kidding. It was approaching 50% a number of years not sure what the exact figures are now. It might not be 50% yet but demographic predictions were heading that way.
This is one of the reasons I really love the city and one of the things I actually miss not living there any more. All the diversity made for some pretty cool cultural stuff that happens all the time and the food. You can find anything there.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:03:31pm |
re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist
I read an essay once on some young feminist blog about dumpster harvesting—not because she couldn’t find work, but because as a grad student, the only work she could find was cubicle clerical stuff, and that was too demeaning.
I got pissed off.
right…because heaven forbid she draw a conclusion about her choice of major…”whaddya mean there aren’t any six-figure jobs for a caribbean women’s literature grad??”
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:03:46pm |
re: #206 HoosierHoops
Hi Walter! What language are they compiling in?
Most of the code is in Fortran, with IDL for portability. My monograph will be understandable to any Lizard… it covers process, procedure and policy, how these programs were developed, maintained and the problems that they had for almost 20 years.
Charles stated…
re: #723 Charles
OK, then go ahead and post whatever you think makes your case. I seriously doubt that you’re going to be able to show an “inaccuracy,” which is what you claimed. And quibbling over quick and dirty methods used to parse a flat file is not the same thing as demonstrating that the code produced inaccurate results.
… and I have included what ever I needed to make my point, clear and precise, and does not delve into reams and reams of code.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:04:17pm |
re: #214 Jadespring
yep, wikipedia says 47%. close enough to say you were right. i never knew-
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celticdragon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:05:39pm |
re: #204 keloyd
In order give context, we should have a youtube clip of the moonbats going at it at the last world bank meeting or up at the olympics. Speaking as a center-right person who hates on Palin and Orly Taitz as much as anyone, our least articulate, most costumificated, most naive activists are more clean, less vulgar, and less of a threat to others’ property and safety than the equivalent left wing demonstrators.
Does that include the guys showing up with AR-15 rifles and Glocks, or the ones carrying signs that read:
We came unarmed…this time!”
…?
I’m sorry, but in a number of threads elsewhere, I have read any number of posts where far right wing types derisively note that most Lefties are not armed and that he (the commenter) is…and when (Gay marriage/the New World Order Takeover/Black Helicopters land on his house/whatever) happens, the “libtards” will find out what happens when they take protest signs to a gun fight.
Easy to dismiss as anonymous bullshit bravado, at least until I saw people with rifles at “rallies” last summer.
I’m not laughing now.
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keloyd Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:05:52pm |
They had a Simpsons giant comic book store guy of the Revolutionary War, but that’s it. Even he was more quaint than misogynistic. The average male writer or director of Lifetime Network pulp is more of a misogynist than that guy in the costume.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:07:17pm |
ugh, not the “our crazy extremists are less dangerous than your crazy extremists” tired discussion again…
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:07:50pm |
re: #221 Aceofwhat?
ugh, not the “our crazy extremists are less dangerous than your crazy extremists” tired discussion again…
Sure seems that way…
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:08:57pm |
re: #219 celticdragon
Does that include the guys showing up with AR-15 rifles and Glocks, or the ones carrying signs that read:
We came unarmed…this time!”
…?I’m sorry, but in a number of threads elsewhere, I have read any number of posts where far right wing types derisively note that most Lefties are not armed and that he (the commenter) is…and when (Gay marriage/the New World Order Takeover/Black Helicopters land on his house/whatever) happens, the “libtards” will find out what happens when they take protest signs to a gun fight.
Easy to dismiss as anonymous bullshit bravado, at least until I saw people with rifles at “rallies” last summer.
I’m not laughing now.
Absolutely agree, but so far the militia nuts have not taken to breaking Stabucks windows. So far. The anarchists have made it sort of a life’s work.
On the other hand, the anarchists haven’t blown up anything since, I don’t know, Haymarket, let alone a Federal building with children inside, so, well, there you are.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:10:00pm |
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keloyd Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:10:23pm |
re: #219 celticdragon
Keep laughing. A tiny handful of nuts with guns or a ham-fisted sense of humor got every camera that MSNBC owns pointed at them. The punditocracy got all aflutter about less than 10 people with guns, probably less than 5, and I can only distinctly remember 3.
Recent left wing antics of W’s or Reagan’s time caused much more property damage and injury. Remember that William Shatner skit on SNL where he told all the trekkies to grow up and get a life. The blogosphere and pundits need someone of The Shat’s stature to give them the same message, imho.
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:10:45pm |
re: #217 Walter L. Newton
… and I have included what ever I needed to make my point, clear and precise, and does not delve into reams and reams of code.
Who the hell programs global Warming data sets in Fortran?
Fortran is old school…I would demand the numbers get plugged into an Matrix array in C++..
WTF? I must be missing something here bro..Sorry
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celticdragon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:11:16pm |
re: #221 Aceofwhat?
ugh, not the “our crazy extremists are less dangerous than your crazy extremists” tired discussion again…
I’m not wild about either variety. I do note that the crazy extremists who tend to be more eager to agitate for violence in recent years are not the Dirty F*cking Hippy type. In 1970, of course, armed and violent left wing extremism was very real. I can’t say that I have heard anything from the Weathermen in 30 years or so, though.
With that, I will leave the subject alone.
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:11:25pm |
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oldegeezr Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:13:34pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:13:49pm |
re: #228 Gus 802
One of the anti-Olympics protest organizers: Harsha Walia
Groups:
Pretty girl. Big ego.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:13:59pm |
re: #226 HoosierHoops
Who the hell programs global Warming data sets in Fortran?
Fortran is old school…I would demand the numbers get plugged into an Matrix array in C++..
WTF? I must be missing something here bro..Sorry
Ha… well, you already have “discovered” one of the many problems with the legacy programs and datasets that have been being used at the CRU for almost 20 years.
As I have mentioned many times in the past. I have all the external documentation of the program suites that they were using, I have the internal documentation and I have the Fortran code itself.
The only thing you are missing is the facts. You’ll have them when I post my monograph.
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:16:19pm |
re: #232 SanFranciscoZionist
Pretty girl. Big ego.
Yeah, these wankers are protesting against the Olympics. I’m pretty sure that the Iranian protesters would die to have the Olympics in Tehran.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:16:36pm |
re: #197 Walter L. Newton
My comment on the faulty computer programs and datasets used at the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University is almost ready.
It shows examples of programmatic and data construct problems under four different headings. General comments, The CRU TS 3.0 data set, real time RUN dialogs and some actual functions that can be examined.
It will run over 3 or 4 comments, since it is at 14 thousand words so far.
I will probably be posting it on Monday.
Remember though — you’re supposed to show that actual inaccurate results were produced, not simply point out coding problems.
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keloyd Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:16:39pm |
re: #227 celticdragon
It’s ‘hippie’, not ‘hippy’. I got in a big fight about this with some grammar nazis. It turns out the hippie, in his slack-jawed willful ignorance, did not even create his own label correctly. Some dictionaries give ‘hippy’ as an alternate spelling, but for now, we have to reserve -y for the adjective describing certain luscious, curvaceous, badonkadonk, generously proportioned females.
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celticdragon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:17:06pm |
re: #235 Gus 802
Yeah, these wankers are protesting against the Olympics. I’m pretty sure that the Iranian protesters would die to have the Olympics in Tehran.
Well, it seems to be pretty easy to find things to die for in Iran…
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:17:11pm |
re: #236 Charles
Remember though — you’re supposed to show that actual inaccurate results were produced, not simply point out coding problems.
I will.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:19:48pm |
re: #226 HoosierHoops
Who the hell programs global Warming data sets in Fortran?
Fortran is old school…I would demand the numbers get plugged into an Matrix array in C++..
WTF? I must be missing something here bro..Sorry
A lot of these kinds of research programs are developed by scientists whose main focus is not programming at all, but they learned Fortran years ago in grad school and still use it because they can get results fairly quickly.
I know researchers who still use Fortran because it works, and they don’t see any reason to spend the time learning a more modern language when they have other more important things to work on.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:20:17pm |
re: #236 Charles
Remember though — you’re supposed to show that actual inaccurate results were produced, not simply point out coding problems.
And, I am not sure where you got this idea… “And quibbling over quick and dirty methods used to parse a flat file.”
I’m quibbling over legacy climate modeling program suites. Not some quick scripts or testing code. My monograph will be discussing the programs and dataset that have been used LIVE, actively, at CRU for almost 20 years.
So, if you think I am going to discuss some insignificant “gotcha,” then you have no idea what I am talking about to start with.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:21:06pm |
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:21:51pm |
re: #233 Walter L. Newton
Ha… well, you already have “discovered” one of the many problems with the legacy programs and datasets that have been being used at the CRU for almost 20 years.
As I have mentioned many times in the past. I have all the external documentation of the program suites that they were using, I have the internal documentation and I have the Fortran code itself.
The only thing you are missing is the facts. You’ll have them when I post my monograph.
If anyone..and I mean anyone wanted to run Fortran on my Super computer.. I’d fire their ass.. Period.
I haven’t seen Fortran routines in years… Jesus H. Christ!
/Sorry Jesus..Buy these guys a New Compiler..
Although if you are selling hats at Wal-Mart Fortran may work..
// 20 years ago
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:22:26pm |
re: #241 Charles
A lot of these kinds of research programs are developed by scientists whose main focus is not programming at all, but they learned Fortran years ago in grad school and still use it because they can get results fairly quickly.
I know researchers who still use Fortran because it works, and they don’t see any reason to spend the time learning a more modern language when they have other more important things to work on.
CRU use Fortran because that was what their climate modeling suite of programs were written in. The programs I am going to be talking about were designed by programmers, not some scientist on the fly.
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celticdragon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:22:43pm |
re: #237 keloyd
It’s ‘hippie’, not ‘hippy’. I got in a big fight about this with some grammar nazis. It turns out the hippie, in his slack-jawed willful ignorance, did not even create his own label correctly. Some dictionaries give ‘hippy’ as an alternate spelling, but for now, we have to reserve -y for the adjective describing certain luscious, curvaceous, badonkadonk, generously proportioned females.
Blasted Hippies.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:22:46pm |
re: #243 Walter L. Newton
And, I am not sure where you got this idea… “And quibbling over quick and dirty methods used to parse a flat file.”
It refers to a point you made in your own post, right here.
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keloyd Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:24:12pm |
There’s also a country music song “honkytonk badonkadonk” so the term for a big round posterior, especially combined with a slender waist with excellent tone, is becoming mainstream. It also just sounds like such a happy thing. It sounds like what it means.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:24:45pm |
Always, always, the clowns in the tricorne hats show up.
I guess they can’t afford matching periwigs or wooden teeth because Obama has taxed all their money away.
Or…or…maybe it’s because they don’t have dental?
I’m so confused.
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:25:19pm |
Gah. You know what doesn’t mix? Two bored dogs and a basket of eggs.
What a mess.
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:25:44pm |
re: #241 Charles
I don’t know crap about climate numbers…But we need to spend more money on IT..
It’s been 20 years since I’ve seen Fortran compiled..
/Hi Charles!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:25:45pm |
re: #240 MandyManners
Badonkadonk?
One sits on one’s badonkadonk, I believe.
I read a lovely article once about a pre-Civil War folklore collector who toured the South, and recorded slaves’ songs. One that baffled her had a chorus to the effect of “Jenny shook her toe at me, Jenny ran away,” which seemed to be seen as funny and slightly risque.
It took a later researcher to note that in several West African language, a toe is not the part at the end of your foot, but the part you sit down upon, making Jenny’s shake much more interesting.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:26:01pm |
re: #236 Charles
Remember though — you’re supposed to show that actual inaccurate results were produced, not simply point out coding problems.
Although (and we don’t need to get into it here unless you’re really in the mood) i’m not as sanguine about the informality/unprofessionality of the code as you seem to be. This isn’t a couple of biologists trying to get the action potential of a jumbo shrimp to chart correctly. This is important stuff. Crappy code is more likely to produce crappy results,(although I doubt that Walter would have spent this much time on it if he didn’t have some inaccurate items to show us).
If, as some are fond of saying, “billions of lives are at stake”, then i for one want to see a group of scientists who go about their work with the same rigor I use when i’m at work and lives are not at stake.
“slovenly” is not an ingratiating adjective when applied to a climatologist.
just sayin’.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:27:04pm |
re: #248 Charles
It refers to a point you made in your own post, right here.
Where did I call the code I was referencing “And quibbling over quick and dirty methods used to parse a flat file.”“
“Quick and dirty” are you words. That’s what I am talking about. None of the code and data I will be discussing has anything to do with “quick and dirty” scripts or snippets or what ever.
I don’t know where you ever got the idea that I had in mind “quick and dirty” coding.
My monograph will be about the LIVE legacy programs and dataset that were used by CRU for many, many years… and the problems with the data they were generating…
As I say in my monograph…
“Does this information presented here disprove AGW? Of course not. There are many other scientific organizations besides the CRU. But it does highlight provable facts that the CRU in themselves have been responsible for bad data, bad programs and as we have seen by the dust up about the ignored Freedom of Information Act requests that was issued to CRU, responsible for trying to cover up their mistakes. This is bad science and unfair to all the honest scientist the world over who are diligently working on honest climate science.”
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:27:09pm |
re: #251 MandyManners
Reminds me of that song about liking big butts.
I love “Baby Got Back”. I especially love the video. The sheer rejoicing in butts always cheers me up.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:27:28pm |
re: #253 Jadespring
Gah. You know what doesn’t mix? Two bored dogs and a basket of eggs.
What a mess.
Oh dear.
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keloyd Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:28:08pm |
re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist
In other news, Charles needs to allow pictures on this thing…or he’s reading this discussion and is very glad that he doesn’t.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:28:09pm |
re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist
I love it as used in “Shrek” most particularly.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:29:01pm |
re: #3 Soap_Man
I’ll add that the horrible tone-deaf fake British accent ought to embarrass far more people than it seems to do.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:29:13pm |
re: #253 Jadespring
Gah. You know what doesn’t mix? Two bored dogs and a basket of eggs.
What a mess.
Better than two bored dogs and a basket of chocolate Easter eggs.
Then you have two seizing dogs and a huge vet bill.
Been there, done that.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:29:48pm |
re: #257 Walter L. Newton
Where did I call the code I was referencing “And quibbling over quick and dirty methods used to parse a flat file.”“
“Quick and dirty” are you words. That’s what I am talking about. None of the code and data I will be discussing has anything to do with “quick and dirty” scripts or snippets or what ever.
I don’t know where you ever got the idea that I had in mind “quick and dirty” coding.
My monograph will be about the LIVE legacy programs and dataset that were used by CRU for many, many years… and the problems with the data they were generating…
As I say in my monograph…
“Does this information presented here disprove AGW? Of course not. There are many other scientific organizations besides the CRU. But it does highlight provable facts that the CRU in themselves have been responsible for bad data, bad programs and as we have seen by the dust up about the ignored Freedom of Information Act requests that was issued to CRU, responsible for trying to cover up their mistakes. This is bad science and unfair to all the honest scientist the world over who are diligently working on honest climate science.”
And I will also be posting a link to the WORD document so any Lizard that wants the complete essay in one full piece may download it.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:30:51pm |
Hi Walter! How’s your snow sitch?
You wouldn’t believe the chaos in Baltimore.
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:31:13pm |
re: #263 Cato the Elder
Better than two bored dogs and a basket of chocolate Easter eggs.
Then you have two seizing dogs and a huge vet bill.
Been there, done that.
Ouch! Yeah at least real eggs are good for them.
Wiping egg go off fur is a real pain though. I finally just left them and now they’re licking it off each other.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:31:23pm |
re: #262 negativ
I’ll add that the horrible tone-deaf fake British accent ought to embarrass far more people than it seems to do.
Do you know that if you watch enough Monty Python everything said in just about any kind of British Accent automatically becomes funny.
At least for me….
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Vambo Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:31:25pm |
yuck, I knew that would make me mad. I stopped the video when Oily Taintz popped up.
Actually, a few people didn’t seem so bad at first…. then a couples minutes later they start up with Nirtherisms.
And what’s up with that Revolutionary War guy? Don’t quit yr day job, fella!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:31:31pm |
re: #265 Cato the Elder
Hi Walter! How’s your snow sitch?
You wouldn’t believe the chaos in Baltimore.
I would believe it… pussies :)
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keloyd Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:32:06pm |
re: #262 negativ
I’ll add that the horrible tone-deaf fake British accent ought to embarrass far more people than it seems to do.
I just finished a book (Jeeves in The Morning I think)with spelled-out horrible tone-deaf British impersonation of an American accent. It was pretty funny. Some poor girl was pronouncing all the R’s whether they were there or not - “Floridar”.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:32:14pm |
re: #266 Jadespring
Ouch! Yeah at least real eggs are good for them.
Wiping egg go off fur is a real pain though. I finally just left them and now they’re licking it off each other.
This is happening in real time?
We need live video feeds on LGF!
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:33:44pm |
re: #269 Walter L. Newton
According to the news, Baltimore has a total of 120 full-sized plow trucks for a population of 640,000.
According to rumor, forty of them are presently operational.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:33:53pm |
re: #265 Cato the Elder
Hi Walter! How’s your snow sitch?
You wouldn’t believe the chaos in Baltimore.
You wanna see CHAOS?!?!
We got 1-3 inches in and around Atlanta
On my drive in today on an 8 mile stretch of highway I saw no less than 20 cars spun into the median and shoulder
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:33:54pm |
Super Computers LOVE C++ routines…
C++ eats up complex numbers like crazy because of the Matrix Math functions built in..
I have faith that we will upgrade soon…
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:34:03pm |
re: #265 Cato the Elder
Hi Walter! How’s your snow sitch?
You wouldn’t believe the chaos in Baltimore.
We still have some on the ground, in the woody areas, permafrost is half gone on the driveway, some snow coming in overnight, should stop by tomorrow, this is my 3 day weekend, rotating schedule, one weekend is one day off, the next weekend is three days off…
I’m lucky this weekend… I miss the regular Sat. 50 percent off sale and then Mondays 50 percent off Presidents Day sale.
A thrift store during 50 percent off days are like a nut house.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:34:29pm |
re: #272 Charles
I appreciate your permission of this exercise, FWIW…
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zora Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:34:42pm |
re: #230 MandyManners
We also didn’t have an entire network acting as if they were totally reasonable, just dissatisfied citizens.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:34:47pm |
re: #273 Cato the Elder
According to the news, Baltimore has a total of 120 full-sized plow trucks for a population of 640,000.
According to rumor, forty of them are presently operational.
Gov’t Union drivers!?!?!
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:34:47pm |
re: #263 Cato the Elder
Better than two bored dogs and a basket of chocolate Easter eggs.
Then you have two seizing dogs and a huge vet bill.
Been there, done that.
My family returned from my grandmother’s funeral to discover that the dog had eaten three pounds of brownies, purchased for the mourners.
My cousin had to take the dog to the vet.
My uncle calculated that between the cost of purchase and the cost of getting them out of the dog, the brownies came out to about fifty-eight dollars a pound.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:34:54pm |
re: #274 sattv4u2
You wanna see CHAOS?!?!
We got 1-3 inches in and around Atlanta
On my drive in today on an 8 mile stretch of highway I saw no less than 20 cars spun into the median and shoulder
That’s the operational procedure in Baltimore, too.
“Gee, it’s snowing. I’d better drive real fast to get out of this mess.”
Bam!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:35:22pm |
She got a butt like a battleship!
I don’t need to look above the hip
She got that shelf kinda ass … you could display your tchotchkes, your collectibles on there.
Baby got back. That’s a fact
You could park a wide-track Pontiac in that crack
Now that’s the goods!
—The Full Monty
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:36:22pm |
re: #272 Charles
We’ll see.
I still want to know where I said “quick and dirty methods used to parse a flat file”
You said I said it. A statement like that makes it sound like I am talking about some inconsequential piece of code. It deflect and minimizes my actual statement. I never said that, you claimed I did. You said you were quoting me.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:36:42pm |
re: #279 sattv4u2
Gov’t Union drivers!?!?!
//
You would say that.
No. Lack of maintenance because everybody knows we never get real storms in Baltimore.
(Except for once every five years. Then we panic.)
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:36:45pm |
re: #277 Aceofwhat?
I appreciate your permission of this exercise, FWIW…
Same here. And I point that out at the very beginning of the essay.
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:37:19pm |
re: #281 Cato the Elder
That’s the operational procedure in Baltimore, too.
“Gee, it’s snowing. I’d better drive real fast to get out of this mess.”
Bam!
Cato.. I read the story about you and your beautiful Dog on Google…
Please be careful bro…People will out you..
Be well
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:37:21pm |
re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist
My family returned from my grandmother’s funeral to discover that the dog had eaten three pounds of brownies, purchased for the mourners.
My cousin had to take the dog to the vet.
My uncle calculated that between the cost of purchase and the cost of getting them out of the dog, the brownies came out to about fifty-eight dollars a pound.
And the finest hash brownies cost less.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:37:25pm |
re: #273 Cato the Elder
According to the news, Baltimore has a total of 120 full-sized plow trucks for a population of 640,000.
According to rumor, forty of them are presently operational.
My city has contracted out pickup trucks with dinky plows on them. I’ve seen one official city plow truck.
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:37:26pm |
re: #281 Cato the Elder
That’s the operational procedure in Baltimore, too.
“Gee, it’s snowing. I’d better drive real fast to get out of this mess.”
Bam!
My favorite is the yahoos that drive in Jeeps and think driving in the snow is automatic.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:37:57pm |
re: #285 Walter L. Newton
Same here. And I point that out at the very beginning of the essay.
I remember your saying it. Just wanted to add mine…
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:39:22pm |
re: #285 Walter L. Newton
Same here. And I point that out at the very beginning of the essay.
My cousin lives in Upper Marlboro MD. Her and her husband were born and raised in and around Boston and as adults lived in Rochester and Albany New York.
I visited them several years ago in MD and they had a snow storm. They had forgotten EVERYTHING about what they knew in Mass and N.Y.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:39:59pm |
re: #286 HoosierHoops
Cato.. I read the story about you and your beautiful Dog on Google…
Please be careful bro…People will out you..
Be well
Already been outed by no lesser stars of the wingnutosphere than Rodan and Robert Spencer. What’s to fear?
You gonna email me? My nick is blue again. It’s time we got to chat in real virtual.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:40:00pm |
re: #291 sattv4u2
My cousin lives in Upper Marlboro MD. Her and her husband were born and raised in and around Boston and as adults lived in Rochester and Albany New York.
I visited them several years ago in MD and they had a snow storm. They had forgotten EVERYTHING about what they knew in Mass and N.Y.
Hmmmm… no I don’t address any of that in my essay… try again.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:40:28pm |
re: #284 Cato the Elder
You would say that.
No. Lack of maintenance because everybody knows we never get real storms in Baltimore.
(Except for once every five years. Then we panic.)
My cousin lives in Upper Marlboro MD. Her and her husband were born and raised in and around Boston and as adults lived in Rochester and Albany New York.
I visited them several years ago in MD and they had a snow storm. They had forgotten EVERYTHING about what they knew in Mass and N.Y.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:40:54pm |
re: #292 Cato the Elder
Already been outed by no lesser stars of the wingnutosphere than Rodan and Robert Spencer. What’s to fear?
You gonna email me? My nick is blue again. It’s time we got to chat in real virtual.
And I already exposed your escapades with the blow up Sarah Palin Sex Doll and the moose call accessory.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:40:58pm |
re: #293 Walter L. Newton
Hmmm… no I don’t address any of that in my essay… try again.
My aim was off ,,, that was meant for 284 ,, not 285
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:41:48pm |
re: #296 sattv4u2
My aim was off ,,, that was meant for 284 ,, not 285
I did that last night. Confused the heck out of Gus for a bit.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:42:08pm |
re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist
“My anaconda don’t want none, if you ain’t got buns hun…”
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:42:40pm |
re: #297 negativ
I have a whole bunch of leftover meds - most of which are not yet past their expiration date - I don’t need any more. I’m not a doctor, but I can imagine how one or two of them might help. Hit me up with a PM if you’re interested.
Thrift stores have pharmacy sections? Who knew?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:42:44pm |
re: #298 Cato the Elder
I did that last night. Confused the heck out of Gus for a bit.
Once it hit the thread and I saw that i had “answered’ Walter insted of you ,,, i blinked real fact about 10 times before I realized what i had done
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:43:32pm |
re: #301 sattv4u2
Once it hit the thread and I saw that i had “answered’ Walter insted of you ,,, i blinked real fact about 10 times before I realized what i had done
Ended Civilization As We Knew It. Thanks…
:)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:43:36pm |
re: #273 Cato the Elder
The old mayor stripped them of parts…
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:43:41pm |
re: #254 HoosierHoops
I don’t know crap about climate numbers…But we need to spend more money on IT..
It’s been 20 years since I’ve seen Fortran compiled..
/Hi Charles!
There are tens of millions of lines of Fortran code still in daily use, particularly in the scientific realm. A lot of it is highly optimized, and retooling it to work as well in another language is not a trivial task. So it’s used, as is.
Also, in the supercomputing realm, one of the main target customers are scientists. Again, in order to make use of existing code, Fortran is often the first choice, and that leads compiler designers to focus on Fortran in place of other languages, particularly where expensive performance optimizations are to be made. Also, Fortran’s relative simplicity makes compiler design quicker and easier, in addition to it’s long history of implementation. As a result, the Fortran compilers for supercomputers are often the most heavily optimized of all that are available, with C coming in second.
In short, Fortran is alive and well in many circles, and is probably never going to disappear.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:43:43pm |
re: #297 negativ
I have a whole bunch of leftover meds - most of which are not yet past their expiration date - I don’t need any more. I’m not a doctor, but I can imagine how one or two of them might help. Hit me up with a PM if you’re interested.
Fuck you… (he says with a smile on his face).
And if you are not interested in the essay I will be posting, than guess what, no one will FORCE you to read it. Just scroll on by.
Jerk.
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:44:23pm |
re: #298 Cato the Elder
I did that last night. Confused the heck out of Gus for a bit.
Which only lasted 30 seconds at the most.
Later I was able to confuse myself.
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oldegeezr Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:44:25pm |
re: #252 Cato the Elder
You sir, may not have been so very welcome at Nashville.
BTW: Was dental, also included in the Public Option…?
I could use some [rather expensive] partial bridges to fill the molar gaps kicked out playing football… We only had a single bar around the front to protect the nose I had broken twice, in high school…!
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freetoken Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:44:33pm |
re: #304 SixDegrees
Legacy code… the bane of software engineering everywhere.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:44:50pm |
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:44:59pm |
re: #292 Cato the Elder
Already been outed by no lesser stars of the wingnutosphere than Rodan and Robert Spencer. What’s to fear?
You gonna email me? My nick is blue again. It’s time we got to chat in real virtual.
I just got your email.. I’ll email you this weekend..
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zora Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:45:31pm |
re: #250 keloyd
There’s also a country music song “honkytonk badonkadonk” so the term for a big round posterior, especially combined with a slender waist with excellent tone, is becoming mainstream. It also just sounds like such a happy thing. It sounds like what it means.
by Toby Keith
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:45:34pm |
re: #283 Walter L. Newton
I still want to know where I said “quick and dirty methods used to parse a flat file”
You said I said it. A statement like that makes it sound like I am talking about some inconsequential piece of code. It deflect and minimizes my actual statement. I never said that, you claimed I did. You said you were quoting me.
No, Walter — I did not say I was quoting you. This is exactly what I wrote:
It refers to a point you made in your own post.
Which it does. You made a statement about parsing a flat file and not properly checking data, which I summarized as “quick and dirty” coding. At no time did I say it was a “quote.”
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:46:38pm |
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:46:46pm |
re: #300 Cato the Elder
All this time you really believed Virgin Mary wall clocks were merely wall clocks?
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Vambo Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:46:58pm |
Blue Cross raises premiums 39% in CA
sandiego6.com
Kaiser Permenante and Blue Cross denied 26-27% of claims in 2009
sacbee.com
Health insurance companies increase profits by 56% in 2009
allheadlinenews.com
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:47:26pm |
re: #314 Varek Raith
Really??? Hmmm, do I cast a terrifyingly destructive Evocation spell or use Force Lightning on a rampage through the neighborhood? Decisions, decisions.
hell ,,, they don’t even let me use scissors!
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:47:42pm |
re: #304 SixDegrees
In short, Fortran is alive and well in many circles, and is probably never going to disappear.
Which makes me feel good about my eternal mother tongue.
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:48:08pm |
re: #309 freetoken
Legacy code… the bane of software engineering everywhere.
Yes and no. As noted, a lot of that code has had decades of extreme optimization applied to it; duplicating it’s performance with a more modern language would not be an easy task, let alone the huge validation effort that would be required to assure that it produces correct results - something that decades of field use gives you good assurance of.
Sometimes, it can be a pain and get in the way of progress. But other times, “old” does not equate to “bad” by any means.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:48:48pm |
re: #314 Varek Raith
Really??? Hmmm, do I cast a terrifyingly destructive Evocation spell or use Force Lightning on a rampage through the neighborhood? Decisions, decisions.
Force lightning. Duh.
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:50:11pm |
re: #318 Cato the Elder
Which makes me feel good about my eternal mother tongue.
There is no language which pleases the ear more when sung than Latin.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:50:16pm |
re: #313 Charles
Which it does. You made a statement about parsing a flat file and not properly checking data, which I summarized as “quick and dirty” coding. At no time did I say it was a “quote.”
Fine… as I say, I was not speaking of quick and dirty programming in the least. As I said before, but again for the record, all this time, when I was speaking of the CRU programs and datasets, I have been talking about live legacy programs, program suites designed to model climate data (including some of the charts you have seen in papers and reports) and talking about some of the “holes” in the data.
I’m not referring to any quick SQL query or update or anything resembling a code snippet or short script.
Just for the record.
And thanks for deleting that comment made to me.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:50:50pm |
re: #317 sattv4u2
hell ,,, they don’t even let me use scissors!
Yeah, but you control the sats. That means you can access GDI’s Ion Cannon in orbit. Joyride!
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:50:56pm |
re: #304 SixDegrees
Kill Fortran! LOL
I did not know that about Fortran.. It’s so old school..
Dear Obama..Upgrade our Scientists!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:52:50pm |
re: #316 Vambo
Regarding the third article… Is there a way to find out what the overall profit margin was? Those numbers may not be as exotic as they appear to be.
I’m not standing up for the insurance industry, but those numbers could be misleading.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:53:12pm |
Totally, absolutely OT:
Just for the sake of the general good, and the good generals, I want to warn everybody that a GPS unit can drain your car battery if not turned of and unplugged.
As I just found out. Drat.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:53:26pm |
re: #267 jamesfirecat
It’s the same phenomenon that accounts for the tendency of most people to assume that anyone wearing glasses is more intelligent than a similar person not wearing glasses.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:54:41pm |
re: #323 Walter L. Newton
…, when I was speaking of the CRU programs and datasets, I have been talking about live legacy programs, program suites designed to model climate data (including some of the charts you have seen in papers and reports) and talking about some of the “holes” in the data..
If I understand your effort correctly, you are looking at the code that compiles the temperature record sets into the graphs, from Hadley, of the instrumental temperature reconstruction.
If so, then I should point out that these programs are different than the large coupled climate models used to investigate the interaction of the various physical systems that compose Earth’s climate, which are then used to show projections for various scenarios of the future.
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:55:36pm |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:55:36pm |
re: #325 HoosierHoops
Kill Fortran! LOL
I did not know that about Fortran.. It’s so old school..
Dear Obama..Upgrade our Scientists!
Most languages are only as good as the programmer. You can make Fortran as bullet proof as any other computer language if you are a programmer who knows what he/she is doing.
Granted, in Fortran, it may take much more time to get from A to Z, but if you have buggy Fortran code, that’s because you have a bad programmer.
There is no reason that programs being used for live data modeling should be shot full of holes. You can’t blame the language. You can blame the organization and the programmers and the internal audits and reviews.
That’s the bottom line.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:55:48pm |
re: #327 Cato the Elder
When my key’s off… none of the chargers work, nor does the gps. Pain in the ass for my cell phone tho.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:56:01pm |
re: #329 freetoken
I still have as much confidence in computer predictions of the future as in Nostradamus.
Dante, now, that’s another matter.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:57:33pm |
re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Regarding the third article… Is there a way to find out what the overall profit margin was? Those numbers may not be as exotic as they appear to be.
I’m not standing up for the insurance industry, but those numbers could be misleading.
yep. profit of $2 can increase by a radical percentage and still not be proof that the cats are fat…
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:59:01pm |
re: #328 negativ
It’s the same phenomenon that accounts for the tendency of most people to assume that anyone wearing glasses is more intelligent than a similar person not wearing glasses.
All I can think of is what I believe Jon Oliver said once.
“Oh really? We conquered half the world with that accent? I guess everybody else was too busy rolling around on the ground laughing to care…”
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:59:13pm |
re: #334 Aceofwhat?
To find out if the cat is fat, you have to weigh it.
That’s the problem. A lot of the fattest cats have learned to evade the scales.
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keloyd Sat, Feb 13, 2010 1:59:58pm |
re: #322 SixDegrees
There is no language which pleases the ear more when sung than Latin.
The Catholics really threw the baby out with the bathwater when they traded Gregorian chants for the ways of the hippy and all his works - fufu muzak tambourine and guitar and drums crap.
Then there’s the language itself - you spell stuff the way you pronounce it. Verbs mostly obey rules. Word order in sentences is loosey goosey so the poets had more latitude. There’s a half dozen tenses of past and future to keep lawyers happy. The Latin alphabet was streamlined to 22(?) letters. There’s no silent ‘e’ like English or ‘h’ like French. The Romans made up the letters, so they fit the language properly, instead of this pounding round pegs into square holes that the rest of us have to do with Roman letters.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:00:00pm |
re: #334 Aceofwhat?
I read it a few more times… increase over “what” isn’t in the article. That leaves me a bit suspicious. That’s all.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:00:14pm |
re: #316 Vambo
Blue Cross raises premiums 39% in CA
[Link: www.sandiego6.com…]
Kaiser Permenante and Blue Cross denied 26-27% of claims in 2009
[Link: www.sacbee.com…]
Health insurance companies increase profits by 56% in 2009
[Link: www.allheadlinenews.com…]
The Atlantic article that I’ve been referencing all day discusses the negative effects on health of sustained unemployment.
I suspect the mental health claims made against the insurance companies have been going up, as the first wave. Over time more physical manifestations become pronounced, and if that indeed happens, the insurance companies are going to have to raise their premiums much more.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:00:17pm |
re: #329 freetoken
If I understand your effort correctly, you are looking at the code that compiles the temperature record sets into the graphs, from Hadley, of the instrumental temperature reconstruction.
If so, then I should point out that these programs are different than the large coupled climate models used to investigate the interaction of the various physical systems that compose Earth’s climate, which are then used to show projections for various scenarios of the future.
My essay touches on a number of important areas in regards to the CRU legacy program suite. I was using one example above where there may have been problems. It’s far more deeper than that one example.
And there are other models from other organizations that have been shown to be accurate.
My complaints all along has been with the validity of the process, procedure and policy that certain people and organizations display, not the over all science of AGW.
As I posted above, this is the one of the last paragraphs in my essay…
“Does this information presented here disprove AGW? Of course not. There are many other scientific organizations besides the CRU. But it does highlight provable facts that the CRU in themselves have been responsible for bad data, bad programs and as we have seen by the dust up about the ignored Freedom of Information Act requests that was issued to CRU, responsible for trying to cover up their mistakes. This is bad science and unfair to all the honest scientist the world over who are diligently working on honest climate science.”
I can’t be any clearer about my intentions and emphasis. Anyone claiming I am a AGW denier is simply lying.
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oldegeezr Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:01:04pm |
re: #318 Cato the Elder
It was COBOL not FORTRAN that caused the year 2000, kerfuffle…correct…?
Whatever happened to all those “punch cards”…if they’d all been recycled back in the fifties, we wouldn’t have to cut any more trees today.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:01:13pm |
re: #336 Cato the Elder
To find out if the cat is fat, you have to weigh it.
That’s the problem. A lot of the fattest cats have learned to evade the scales.
nah, they just measure everything and let you figure out which number is really the weight. it’s in the statement somewhere…
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:02:28pm |
re: #339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I read it a few more times… increase over “what” isn’t in the article. That leaves me a bit suspicious. That’s all.
i agree completely. percentages are like cousins. don’t forget they’re relative(s).
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:02:29pm |
re: #327 Cato the Elder
Totally, absolutely OT:
Just for the sake of the general good, and the good generals, I want to warn everybody that a GPS unit can drain your car battery if not turned of and unplugged.
As I just found out. Drat.
Hey ,, Cato ,,, I’ve benn meaning to tell you
NEVER leave your GPS plugged into the car charger even if it’s off
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:02:43pm |
re: #337 MandyManners
I wonder where he bought the hoodie and how he rationalized participating in capitalism.
At a store. Odd how they all seem to be well equipped with the fruits of capitalism. Some other protester had a sign up about Coke equals death or something like that. Later I saw a picture of another protester walking in front of a bunch of slouching anarchists holding a can of Coke in her hand.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:03:12pm |
re: #342 oldegeezr
It was COBOL not FORTRAN that caused the year 2000, kerfuffle…correct…?
Whatever happened to all those “punch cards”…if they’d all been recycled back in the fifties, we wouldn’t have to cut any more trees today.
The year 2000 problems was not related to any certain software language. It was in regards to any software that was not able to handle a four digit year.
In some cases, that limit (a two digit date) was based on restrictions of the computer programming language, sometimes it was the cause of the way a programmer developed the software, only allowing two digit dates.
it was a little of both, not one or the other.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:03:31pm |
re: #343 Aceofwhat?
nah, they just measure everything and let you figure out which number is really the weight. it’s in the statement somewhere…
Speaking of cats, Walter has one that spent the entire time my dog and I were visiting on top of a highboy with its eyes closed. “If I can’t see the dog, the dog can’t see me.”
Reminds me of something, but I can’t remember what.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:03:52pm |
re: #341 Walter L. Newton
And what I am trying to clarify is that the term “model” is overburdened.
Again, if I understand your effort, you are looking at the software the CRU used to create the historical record/paleoclimate global temperature reconstruction.
This is quite different from models that combine physical descriptions of the atmosphere, the ocean, and land forms to derive the energy budget of the Earth’s surface.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:04:25pm |
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reine.de.tout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:05:32pm |
re: #348 Cato the Elder
Speaking of cats, Walter has one that spent the entire time my dog and I were visiting on top of a highboy with its eyes closed. “If I can’t see the dog, the dog can’t see me.”
Reminds me of something, but I can’t remember what.
You don’t know it, but that cat probably was peering outthrough some very small slits; it just looked like his eyes were closed, that’s one of the many ways a cat can fool a dog - or a human. But the cat was probably well aware of everything going on around it all the time.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:05:37pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:06:47pm |
re: #338 keloyd
The Catholics really threw the baby out with the bathwater when they traded Gregorian chants for the ways of the hippy and all his works - fufu muzak tambourine and guitar and drums crap.
Then there’s the language itself - you spell stuff the way you pronounce it. Verbs mostly obey rules. Word order in sentences is loosey goosey so the poets had more latitude. There’s a half dozen tenses of past and future to keep lawyers happy. The Latin alphabet was streamlined to 22(?) letters. There’s no silent ‘e’ like English or ‘h’ like French. The Romans made up the letters, so they fit the language properly, instead of this pounding round pegs into square holes that the rest of us have to do with Roman letters.
I like folk-mass music, as well as, although not in place of. We have a sort of folk-rock mass group that plays at the school, and it makes much more sense for a Mass in a gym with teenagers than solemn high stuff.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:06:56pm |
re: #353 Varek Raith
WTH is you problem with Walter?
..or am I misunderstanding something?
see 355,, ESPECIALLY part 2
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:07:39pm |
re: #355 sattv4u2
hush, you. Trick question bait is trick question bait.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:07:54pm |
re: #346 Gus 802
At a store. Odd how they all seem to be well equipped with the fruits of capitalism. Some other protester had a sign up about Coke equals death or something like that. Later I saw a picture of another protester walking in front of a bunch of slouching anarchists holding a can of Coke in her hand.
Was she an anarchist, though?
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:08:45pm |
re: #359 SanFranciscoZionist
Was she an anarchist, though?
No. I don’t think the guy with the anti-Coke sign was either. I’d have to look again for that one.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:09:34pm |
Join the Anarchist Party! (Formally known as, the Libertarian Party)
;)
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:10:06pm |
re: #331 Walter L. Newton
Most languages are only as good as the programmer. You can make Fortran as bullet proof as any other computer language if you are a programmer who knows what he/she is doing.
Granted, in Fortran, it may take much more time to get from A to Z, but if you have buggy Fortran code, that’s because you have a bad programmer.
There is no reason that programs being used for live data modeling should be shot full of holes. You can’t blame the language. You can blame the organization and the programmers and the internal audits and reviews.
That’s the bottom line.
Can Fortran even calculate complex Matrix numbers? Me thinks it will throw an exception…. This is one of the most complex mathematical models known to man..
A simple language that knows how to add 2+2 isn’t needed here..
Do you think Lawrence Livermore Lab uses Fortran to compute a Nuclear reaction?
1. I don’t care about millions of lines of legacy code
2. I don’t care if Scientists are used to using old school compilers
3. I want to spend Billions to upgrade and give them modern tools
4. Unless I work at Wal-Mart and need to know Inventory levels..Don’t talk to me about Fortran…
5. 99.9% of all computer programs in the world are Not written in Fortran
There is a reason for that…It’s an old shit compiler
*wink*
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:10:42pm |
re: #349 freetoken
And what I am trying to clarify is that the term “model” is overburdened.
Again, if I understand your effort, you are looking at the software the CRU used to create the historical record/paleoclimate global temperature reconstruction.
This is quite different from models that combine physical descriptions of the atmosphere, the ocean, and land forms to derive the energy budget of the Earth’s surface.
Ok… yes, I am speaking of the historical record/paleoclimate global temperature reconstruction in general. It was flawed, it may now be fixed, but for almost 20 years, there were problems with some of the programs, and some of the data generated appears to have been inaccurate, and possibly migrated into other databases being used by other scientists.
There is plenty of other research to back up AGW, and I know that. But what is bothering me is that there are some “high priests” in this science, both represented by people and organizations that a seem to be more concerned with power, profit and prestige in deference to process, procedure and policy.
That’s not good for the science, and as much as many would like to shake out the religious nuts from the GOP (but not destroy the GOP), I’d like to see the same shake out happen in the climate science world.
There is good science, and there are sometimes bad scientists.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:11:55pm |
re: #350 negativ
#!/bin/bash
while [ -f $credibility ]; do
echo “STFU”
doneexit 0
If you have something to discuss, then do it.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:12:03pm |
re: #362 HoosierHoops
It’s an old shit compiler
As someone who is A) old and B) has lots of shit complied in my garage, attic, spare room and closets,,,i object
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Vambo Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:13:39pm |
re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Regarding the third article… Is there a way to find out what the overall profit margin was? Those numbers may not be as exotic as they appear to be.
I’m not standing up for the insurance industry, but those numbers could be misleading.
TBH I wouldn’t be surprised if that number was inflated a bit, I don’t how this stuff is calculated and it’s being floated around on HCFA and other reform sites. Still, even a 25% increase in profits while denying a quarter to a third of all claims, and medical bills still the number one cause of bankruptcy, is rather obscene.
| 367 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:14:45pm |
re: #364 Walter L. Newton
If you have something to discuss, then do it.
I doubt it. Usually when someone repeatedly makes as much sense as a chocolate teapot, they stay off course…
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:15:03pm |
re: #362 HoosierHoops
Can Fortran even calculate complex Matrix numbers? Me thinks it will throw an exception… This is one of the most complex mathematical models known to man..
A simple language that knows how to add 2+2 isn’t needed here..
Do you think Lawrence Livermore Lab uses Fortran to compute a Nuclear reaction?
1. I don’t care about millions of lines of legacy code
2. I don’t care if Scientists are used to using old school compilers
3. I want to spend Billions to upgrade and give them modern tools
4. Unless I work at Wal-Mart and need to know Inventory levels..Don’t talk to me about Fortran…
5. 99.9% of all computer programs in the world are Not written in Fortran
There is a reason for that…It’s an old shit compiler
*wink*
Look Hoops, of course there are modern languages that can accept many more types of data constructs than Fortran could or ever will (unless someone adds some subsets to the language), but that is far from the idea here.
The facts are CRU has used Fortran for it’s modeling programs for over 20 years, and that code could have been bullet proof if written correctly.
That’s simple.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:15:36pm |
re: #366 Vambo
Still, even a 25% increase in profits while denying a quarter to a third of all claims, and medical bills still the number one cause of bankruptcy, is rather obscene.
Depends
I don’t like when they use ‘profits” as the number. They should be using ‘profit margin”. It’s a more accurate read on what a company makes after EBITDA (total of operating expenses)
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:16:06pm |
re: #366 Vambo
TBH I wouldn’t be surprised if that number was inflated a bit, I don’t how this stuff is calculated and it’s being floated around on HCFA and other reform sites. Still, even a 25% increase in profits while denying a quarter to a third of all claims, and medical bills still the number one cause of bankruptcy, is rather obscene.
ponder #344…
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:17:49pm |
re: #371 Aceofwhat?
ponder #344…
Correct
If I made $1.00 last week and $2.00 this week, i increased the percentage 100%!!
(YIPPEE ,,, I made ONE extra dollar!!!)
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:18:18pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:18:29pm |
re: #366 Vambo
Like I said, I’m not defending them. The article just didn’t seem to be written from an objective (honest) angle.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:19:24pm |
re: #373 sattv4u2
Correct
If I made $1.00 last week and $2.00 this week, i increased the percentage 100%!!
(YIPPEE ,,, I made ONE extra dollar!!!)
And that just gets us out of the ditch. If we really want to make progress, we have to look at time series. Quarters, or even years, can look exceptional until you realize they’re related to a one-time charge, an asset sale, etc…
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:19:50pm |
re: #365 sattv4u2
It’s an old shit compiler
As someone who is A) old and B) has lots of shit complied in my garage, attic, spare room and closets,,,i object
LOL I’ll bet you a Trillion Dollars you don’t have a Fortran program anywhere within 50 miles of your house.. There is a reason for that…
Ask a programmer why and He’ll laugh you out of the house…
/unless you think an Atari 2600 is a cutting edge video game console…
Fortran is right there..
BUY OUR SCIENTISTS MODERN TOOLS!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:20:21pm |
re: #366 Vambo
Just remember…
1. He wins the argument who can manipulate the numbers with the most agility.
2. 86.43% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
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Vambo Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:20:21pm |
re: #371 Aceofwhat?
ponder #344…
true, true. Still I am not that educated about money and economics (though I work on it, as much as I can), and I’m extremely distrustful of “they who have the gold” as human nature suggests they will do whatever they can to manipulate more cash in their direction — regardless of ethics, conscience or even law.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:21:01pm |
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Vambo Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:21:49pm |
re: #375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Like I said, I’m not defending them. The article just didn’t seem to be written from an objective (honest) angle.
I doubt insurance companies really want people to know how much they are making. The only surveys into such a thing would probably be from a liberal/anti-corporate bias.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:21:49pm |
The GOP website is promoting fringe righties more than I thought. They have a URL shortener that takes the destination site and makes it look like part of the GOP site. Sure, it has a disclaimer on it, but I would think they’d like a little more control over what they’re associated with. Here’s a sample. If you click on anything within that page you go to the thenewamerican.com , which is affiliated with the John Birch Society (as it says near the bottom.) “Affiliated” is probably not the correct term. “Mouthpiece for” is closer.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:22:15pm |
re: #376 Aceofwhat?
And that just gets us out of the ditch. If we really want to make progress, we have to look at time series. Quarters, or even years, can look exceptional until you realize they’re related to a one-time charge, an asset sale, etc…
Absolutely
“Profits increased 25% over last quarter”
((what the writer may have omitted is that they declined by 10% for each of the 5 quarters preceding that one,,)
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oldegeezr Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:22:47pm |
re: #347 Walter L. Newton
I’ve been laboring mightly under the mistaken assumption that COBOL , previously used extensively in business applications, was the culprit.
You learn something new every day…!
We used FORTRAN exclusively in the comp sci classes I took back in the fifties.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:23:13pm |
re: #377 HoosierHoops
LOL I’ll bet you a Trillion Dollars you don’t have a Fortran program anywhere within 50 miles of your house.. There is a reason for that…
Ask a programmer why and He’ll laugh you out of the house…
/unless you think an Atari 2600 is a cutting edge video game console…
Fortran is right there..
BUY OUR SCIENTISTS MODERN TOOLS!
I still have a BAG PHONE ,,,!!!
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:24:22pm |
re: #379 Vambo
true, true. Still I am not that educated about money and economics (though I work on it, as much as I can), and I’m extremely distrustful of “they who have the gold” as human nature suggests they will do whatever they can to manipulate more cash in their direction — regardless of ethics, conscience or even law.
i am in favor of mistrusting and letting the figures try to prove me wrong. it’s just hard to make a judgment either way without a little basic financial statement literacy. understanding their EBITDA and claim denial percentage on a quarterly basis going back 5-10 years would tell us more.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:24:39pm |
re: #381 Vambo
I doubt insurance companies really want people to know how much they are making. The only surveys into such a thing would probably be from a liberal/anti-corporate bias.
It’s all available in their annual stockholders report. And no, you do NOT have to be a stockholder to access them
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:25:15pm |
re: #381 Vambo
Agreed.
If a group of insurance companies paid out 3 trillion dollars to healthcare providers and they made a profit of 12.6 billion… Would that seem out of whack?
I really don’t think so.
Remember the hyphenated word… “For Profit”.
The 3,000,000,000,000.00 number was entirely made up just for the point.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:25:58pm |
re: #381 Vambo
I doubt insurance companies really want people to know how much they are making. The only surveys into such a thing would probably be from a liberal/anti-corporate bias.
If they are publicly traded, they don’t have a choice. And if they are publicly traded, they are more likely to be exaggerating their earnings than hiding them. You are right to be skeptical, but you are poised to shoot the bazooka of mistrust backwards over your shoulder. Turn that thing around before you hurt yourself///
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:26:45pm |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:26:53pm |
re: #385 oldegeezr
I’ve been laboring mightly under the mistaken assumption that COBOL , previously used extensively in business applications, was the culprit.
You learn something new every day…!
We used FORTRAN exclusively in the comp sci classes I took back in the fifties.
Like I said, some languages, in it’s native construct, were not designed to handle anything but a certain date type… like 01/01/01, no longer (01/01/1910) and no less (1/1/01)… COBOL being one of them.
But a programmer could write COBOL code that would accept the 01/01/1901 style date, but most of them didn’t.
So, when we got close to 2000, IT people realized that a lot of programs and/or languages would not take a date like 2001.
But, as I say, it was a little of both.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:28:00pm |
re: #342 oldegeezr
It was COBOL not FORTRAN that caused the year 2000, kerfuffle…correct…?
Whatever happened to all those “punch cards”…if they’d all been recycled back in the fifties, we wouldn’t have to cut any more trees today.
When I learned a bit of Fortran years ago, it still had vestiges of its punch card origins — commands had to be preceded by six spaces, because that’s how the cards were punched. I think there are compiler options in more modern versions that let you turn off this odd requirement.
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:29:23pm |
re: #385 oldegeezr
I’ve been laboring mightly under the mistaken assumption that COBOL , previously used extensively in business applications, was the culprit.
You learn something new every day…!
We used FORTRAN exclusively in the comp sci classes I took back in the fifties.
Could that program predict if it was going to rain on Friday?
Old School My Brother…
Let’s take this on a different route.. If you were an Astronaut going to Space and they told you the launch was using Fortran Compiled results.. You would be driving away from the Cape with Diapers on as fast as possible…
Now that is a F*cking fact..
Compile the results with modern Compilers.. It’s that simple
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:31:28pm |
re: #396 Charles
When I learned a bit of Fortran years ago, it still had vestiges of its punch card origins — commands had to be preceded by six spaces, because that’s how the cards were punched. I think there are compiler options in more modern versions that let you turn off this odd requirement.
I was using RPC occasionally up to RPC III (around late 1980’s) and every item on a line of RPC code was positional, left over from the days of punch cards. All command had to be 6 characters long, and anything off column would bomb the code. IBM had a ton of legacy stuff written in flavors of RPC.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:31:48pm |
re: #398 Walter L. Newton
I was using RPC occasionally up to RPC III (around late 1980’s) and every item on a line of RPC code was positional, left over from the days of punch cards. All command had to be 6 characters long, and anything off column would bomb the code. IBM had a ton of legacy stuff written in flavors of RPC.
Er RPG (stupid me).
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:32:54pm |
re: #397 HoosierHoops
eh - at my last company we spent the past 15 years moving things from COBOL to relational databases and the move was the source of 97% of our instability. if what you have is coded well, it’s hard to want to move it.
hard to find a system less stable than a system in transition…
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:35:56pm |
I just giggled my way through six pages of this.
Back to work.
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Cheechako Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:36:01pm |
Just want to let everyone stuck in a snowbank that’s it’s currently 48 degrees in SE Alaska.
My offer of loaning out my snow-blower is still available. Must be shipped by air or barge! With nothing to do it’s just sitting around getting rusty.
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:38:18pm |
re: #400 Aceofwhat?
eh - at my last company we spent the past 15 years moving things from COBOL to relational databases and the move was the source of 97% of our instability. if what you have is coded well, it’s hard to want to move it.
hard to find a system less stable than a system in transition…
It took us less than a year to convert a million Tables from Oracle 9.7 to 11i..
I guess my point is I want our Scientists to have the best and most cutting edge tools to predict the weather..
/That’s all I got to say about that…
//Nobody gives a shit about how much legacy code exists
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:39:25pm |
Pretty funny… reporter is interviewing American Speed skater… opened with this line…
“And now I am speaking to the best American Speed Skater in the World, Shani Davis.”
Whaaa???
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:40:29pm |
re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Pretty funny… reporter is interviewing American Speed skater… opened with this line…
“And now I am speaking to the best American Speed Skater in the World, Shani Davis.”
Whaaa???
Apollo just had a stroke…Talk about locker room material!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:41:41pm |
Oh, thank God. Finally sent off my edits for a student from last year who’s doing college personal statements. These things make me crazy. What if she doesn’t get in and it’s all MY FAULT!!!!!!????
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:41:54pm |
Biathalon is on… LESS INTERESTING THAN CURLING!
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oldegeezr Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:42:04pm |
re: #397 HoosierHoops
Gotta luv yah kiddo…!
Please remember I did my undergraduate work, waaay back it the “fifities”…!
Hippie style….
Hugs…
OK…?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:42:09pm |
re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Pretty funny… reporter is interviewing American Speed skater… opened with this line…
“And now I am speaking to the best American Speed Skater in the World, Shani Davis.”
Whaaa???
Isn’t he the guy who kicked Colbert’s ass?
/
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:42:28pm |
re: #404 HoosierHoops
It took us less than a year to convert a million Tables from Oracle 9.7 to 11i..
I guess my point is I want our Scientists to have the best and most cutting edge tools to predict the weather..
/That’s all I got to say about that…
//Nobody gives a shit about how much legacy code exists
My point is i’d be happy if they were simply using solid tools, and older code written correctly would qualify. (as opposed to the cyberequivalent of duct tape, bungee cords, and bubbalicious…)
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:43:08pm |
re: #409 oldegeezr
Gotta luv yah kiddo…!
Please remember I did my undergraduate work, waaay back it the “fifities”…!Hippie style…
Hugs…
OK…?
Kind regards my friend..It’s been fun talking about
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:43:11pm |
re: #408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Biathalon is on… LESS INTERESTING THAN CURLING!
yep. guns have never seemed less fun…
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:43:40pm |
re: #404 HoosierHoops
It took us less than a year to convert a million Tables from Oracle 9.7 to 11i..
I guess my point is I want our Scientists to have the best and most cutting edge tools to predict the weather..
/That’s all I got to say about that…
//Nobody gives a shit about how much legacy code exists
And the way Oracle works… those conversions happen, what, about ever six weeks, family packs, upgrades, service packs, oops-we-need-to-fix-a-few-features packs…
One thing I will say, for the almost 11 years I was working with Oracle and developing in PL/SQL, I never felt like I would be out of something to do… Oracle has a built in cycle to keep programmers and consultants employed.
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zora Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:44:22pm |
re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
yeah my son and I groaned when she said it too
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:46:59pm |
re: #414 Walter L. Newton
And the way Oracle works… those conversions happen, what, about ever six weeks, family packs, upgrades, service packs, oops-we-need-to-fix-a-few-features packs…
One thing I will say, for the almost 11 years I was working with Oracle and developing in PL/SQL, I never felt like I would be out of something to do… Oracle has a built in cycle to keep programmers and consultants employed.
It’s not a bug..It’s a feature..
/ Always be careful when compiling Oracle Payroll crap…you might not enjoy the results..
LOL
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:49:14pm |
re: #408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Biathalon is on… LESS INTERESTING THAN CURLING!
Dear Vancouver BC
We have FUCKING SNOW in Atlanta Georgia, USA
Come and get all you want!
Sincerely ,,,,
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reine.de.tout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:51:28pm |
re: #407 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, thank God. Finally sent off my edits for a student from last year who’s doing college personal statements. These things make me crazy. What if she doesn’t get in and it’s all MY FAULT!!!???
It won’t be.
As much as you are fretting over this - it’s more likely that she’ll get in because of what you wrote, not that she’ll be kept out because of what you wrote.
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oldegeezr Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:53:54pm |
re: #396 Charles
Thanks for that Charles…
My brother-in-law is a programming super at a national student loan organization. He apprised me of the serious year 2000 issues with COBAL.
Thanks for all the background…
Obviously, way more than I needed to know..?
“I greet every morning as a new learning experience…!”
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reine.de.tout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:54:27pm |
A high school (and FB friend) is a professional photographer; he lives about 2 hours north of me.
During yesterday’s snow dusting, he went out and snapped photos of various scenes around town.
One place he went was to a cemetary, and one of the photos is of an elaborate headstone.
So I’m looking thru his photos and came to that one and just STOPPED - there, written on the headstone, is MY NAME.
I died in 1909 at age 84.
Talk about strange.
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zora Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:54:48pm |
Steve Colbert’s: Defeat the World
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:56:00pm |
re: #421 reine.de.tout
A high school (and FB friend) is a professional photographer; he lives about 2 hours north of me.
During yesterday’s snow dusting, he went out and snapped photos of various scenes around town.
One place he went was to a cemetary, and one of the photos is of an elaborate headstone.
So I’m looking thru his photos and came to that one and just STOPPED - there, written on the headstone, is MY NAME.
I died in 1909 at age 84.
Talk about strange.
Seems as if you got better!
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:56:26pm |
re: #421 reine.de.tout
A high school (and FB friend) is a professional photographer; he lives about 2 hours north of me.
During yesterday’s snow dusting, he went out and snapped photos of various scenes around town.
One place he went was to a cemetary, and one of the photos is of an elaborate headstone.
So I’m looking thru his photos and came to that one and just STOPPED - there, written on the headstone, is MY NAME.
I died in 1909 at age 84.
Talk about strange.
And you are still posting here?
*wink*
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reine.de.tout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:56:51pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:58:02pm |
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HoosierHoops Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:59:03pm |
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:13:12pm |
re: #362 HoosierHoops
Can Fortran even calculate complex Matrix numbers? Me thinks it will throw an exception… This is one of the most complex mathematical models known to man..
A simple language that knows how to add 2+2 isn’t needed here..
Do you think Lawrence Livermore Lab uses Fortran to compute a Nuclear reaction?
1. I don’t care about millions of lines of legacy code
2. I don’t care if Scientists are used to using old school compilers
3. I want to spend Billions to upgrade and give them modern tools
4. Unless I work at Wal-Mart and need to know Inventory levels..Don’t talk to me about Fortran…
5. 99.9% of all computer programs in the world are Not written in Fortran
There is a reason for that…It’s an old shit compiler
*wink*
Fortran excels at matrix calculations. The original LINPACK linear algebra package - the gold standard benchmark for computational matrix algorithms - was originally written in Fortran, and it’s performance in that language remains unequaled.
Modern languages, in fact, are often a very poor choice where performance is critical. C++, for example, is often an order of magnitude slower than equivalent C code, thanks to virtual function lookups required to resolve inheritance hierarchies, and because it’s syntactical complexity defies efficient compiler optimization.
I write scientific image processing software, and although I reach for C++ where it’s appropriate - mostly for user interface related tasks - C is the standby when time-critical portions of code are encountered. And we still occasionally use Fortran routines where the effort to rewrite a highly optimized algorithm simply isn’t worth it when a workable Fortran routine already exists.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:13:44pm |
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:18:47pm |
re: #397 HoosierHoops
Could that program predict if it was going to rain on Friday?
Old School My Brother…
Let’s take this on a different route.. If you were an Astronaut going to Space and they told you the launch was using Fortran Compiled results.. You would be driving away from the Cape with Diapers on as fast as possible…
Now that is a F*cking fact..
Compile the results with modern Compilers.. It’s that simple
Actually, a huge amount of NASA software is written in Fortran, and it will probably never be replaced because the process for flight-certifying software is incredibly complex and expensive.
Given that NASA has some of the very best and most highly regarded software processes in the world, it’s telling that they haven’t felt the need to upgrade.
Anyone familiar with any procedural language - C, Pascal, Modula-2, Ada, C++, Java and many others - has no difficulty with Fortran, because all such languages are essentially similar. What matters, at the end of the day, is whether the software meets requirements, and the requirements for space flight are extremely rigorous.
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:23:24pm |
re: #396 Charles
When I learned a bit of Fortran years ago, it still had vestiges of its punch card origins — commands had to be preceded by six spaces, because that’s how the cards were punched. I think there are compiler options in more modern versions that let you turn off this odd requirement.
Most modern Fortran compilers have compiler options that allow you to turn the old behavior on - it’s off by default, and allows free-form formatting.
Where Fortran really puzzles newer programmers is in it’s treatment of arrays - their indexing is 1-based in Fortran, rather than 0-based as it is in most other languages; and two-dimensional arrays are laid out in memory in column-major order, rather than the row-major order used by Pascal, C and C++. This can easily trip up the unwary, and does take some getting used to.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:28:41pm |
re: #431 SixDegrees
Most modern Fortran compilers have compiler options that allow you to turn the old behavior on - it’s off by default, and allows free-form formatting.
Where Fortran really puzzles newer programmers is in it’s treatment of arrays - their indexing is 1-based in Fortran, rather than 0-based as it is in most other languages; and two-dimensional arrays are laid out in memory in column-major order, rather than the row-major order used by Pascal, C and C++. This can easily trip up the unwary, and does take some getting used to.
I said it above and I will say it again, if the programmer is good, than the language is usable. Fortran is a solid language with many many years of being put through some very rigorous uses.
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keloyd Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:37:54pm |
re: #384 MandyManners
CNN is interviewing the widow of a suicide bomber. Fucking nuts.
That was a good interview. We are always better off when we get to know our enemies’ minds. Al Queda knows next to nothing of what makes us tick, and this widow’s extraordinarily skewed world view must be understood to be fought. If that widow was on Al Gore’s network, it would be followed with an hour of a Noam Chomsky minion wringing his hands about how it’s all our fault. CNN has acted better, for the most part.
This Jordanian doctor also went after a military target. Soldiers, loosely defined here, are morally excused attacking enemy military targets.
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oldegeezr Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:40:49pm |
re: #428 SixDegrees
“…Fortran excels at matrix calculations. The original LINPACK linear algebra package - the gold standard benchmark for computational matrix algorithms - was originally written in Fortran, and it’s performance in that language remains unequaled.”
WOW…
I recall approaching the card reader with trepidation…anxiously I placed my deck into the dock.
Then I stood back…my trembling, hand hovering over the “program abort” button…!
Least my card deck… begot an endless feedback loop that resulted in forty pounds of printer paper in the bin on the floor…!
“Oh the humanity…”
Of it all…!
“Just kiddin…!”
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:47:00pm |
re: #433 keloydSure somebody should interview her, preferrably the CIA or Mil Intel. But her interviews should not repeatedly appear on television and the nets, allowing her to spread her message of hate.
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:47:30pm |
re: #432 Walter L. Newton
I said it above and I will say it again, if the programmer is good, than the language is usable. Fortran is a solid language with many many years of being put through some very rigorous uses.
I’ve had discussions with fresh-out graduates who claim that it’s necessary to use a truly object-oriented language these days, and to write object-oriented code. As much as I like Java, I’ve written object-oriented code using assembly language. The bells and whistles of modern programming language are all ultimately compiled into machine language in the end, but you don’t need the elaborate syntactical protection of a high-level compiler to organize your lower-level code in an object-oriented fashion.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:51:38pm |
re: #435 Escaped Hillbilly
As an addendum, he ceased having even a loose definition of Soldier when he chose to pretend to be a turncoat and enter a military installation under false colors. He was a spy and a saboteur, not afforded protections of a Soldier under either Geneva or Hague. Had he snuck under the wire and planted a bomb, he would be a saboteur who may or may not also be a Soldier.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:55:34pm |
re: #245 HoosierHoops
If anyone..and I mean anyone wanted to run Fortran on my Super computer.. I’d fire their ass.. Period.
I haven’t seen Fortran routines in years… Jesus H. Christ!
/Sorry Jesus..Buy these guys a New Compiler..
Although if you are selling hats at Wal-Mart Fortran may work..
// 20 years ago
The truth is programmers 20 years ago generally wrote much cleaner and more efficient code than today, because they had to since the hardware would put up with sloppy crap that took 24 hours instead of 24 seconds to run.
Today one can get away with it, and it can be more difficult to determine where one screwed up in the logic when using all this object oriented mumbo jumbo.
Nothing wrong with Fortran, but give me APL any day for dealing with lots of numbers (not that I can remember it anymore, even if I could find a keyboard template).
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keloyd Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:57:48pm |
re: #435 Escaped Hillbilly
I don’t see that as spreading hate on the whole. Someone who’s hatin on us already can get much more juicy propaganda from anywhere else. She was not that persuasive, and her presence gives our media the appearance of professionalism. How many Jews work at Al Jazeera? I heard about one, and he was on double secret probation. The rest of us benefit from first hand info rather than a pundit shouting about a thing written a few days previous in the NYT that was based on a briefing by some comm officer who heard the official party line from someone else who was holed up in a hotel in teh green zone in Iraq.
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keloyd Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:00:32pm |
re: #437 Escaped Hillbilly
As an addendum, he ceased having even a loose definition of Soldier when he chose to pretend to be a turncoat and enter a military installation under false colors. He was a spy and a saboteur, not afforded protections of a Soldier under either Geneva or Hague. Had he snuck under the wire and planted a bomb, he would be a saboteur who may or may not also be a Soldier.
True, not a proper soldier, but Sun Tzu said in lots of different ways that war is all about deception. He just did his job with great intelligence. I don’t begrudge the Nazis and Japs that shot at my grandfather and great uncles, and this is the same thing - high level military targets with cloak and dagger tactics is fair game, even when it’s my team losing this round.
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oldegeezr Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:26:26pm |
re: #438 Naso Tang
Absolutely…actually, assembly language is the gold standard…!
Talkin’ about “tight code”…how about almost every routine written in assembly language…?
There’s a real guru over at Gibson Research that does just that…!
Wanna check the vulnerabilities of yer firewall…you may be shocked…!
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:33:41pm |
re: #433 keloyd
That was a good interview. We are always better off when we get to know our enemies’ minds. Al Queda knows next to nothing of what makes us tick, and this widow’s extraordinarily skewed world view must be understood to be fought.
I’ve made this same argument before when defending the First Amendment with respect to vile hate speech. Know your enemy. You can’t get to know them if they are silenced.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:42:24pm |
re: #442 oldegeezr
Cool site. Obviously I decided to trust you, but it seems I am OK, for now. I have bookmarked it fir further reading.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:00:00pm |
re: #45 Killgore Trout
Let’s be honest here - the Tea Parties are elitist clubs. Bunch of white folks whinging up a storm because they can and who take time out to bash President Obama and accuse him of all sorts of nutty things.
| 446 |
oldegeezr Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:04:37pm |
re: #444 Naso Tang
Many of Steve Gibson’s routines run in milliseconds…and most are written exclusively in assembly language.
You can actually get a minor, in computer science, right there…
Put yer learnin’ cap back on…!
“I greet every morning as a new learning experience…!”
| 447 |
Vambo Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:18:35pm |
it’s a little late for this but…
would like to some opinions here, it breaks down the info on the insurance profits link I posted.
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Kruk Sat, Feb 13, 2010 7:52:20pm |
re: #73 Guanxi88
Organized anarchists - the worst kind.
I tried being an organised anarchist once, but there were just too many rules.
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simoom Sat, Feb 13, 2010 8:06:32pm |
re: #331 Walter L. Newton
There is no reason that programs being used for live data modeling should be shot full of holes. You can’t blame the language. You can blame the organization and the programmers and the internal audits and reviews.
I’m looking forward to your essay, but I just want to add a small observation.
I’ve worked for a number of companies where I needed to maintain legacy programs that processed feeds of records arriving in flat files. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a program that parses the files that I would consider remotely bulletproof. In fact, most of the time I’m called to work on an existing code base I find there is no data validation and often no sanity checks of any kind (and frequently there’s little or no useful error/status logging). Often the only way anyone found out some old feed was blowing up (usually when the company originating the feed decides to make an arbitrary change to the way the flat file is formatted without informing anyone) is when constraints at the database end start preventing records from being inserted (if it even makes it that far).
Perhaps standards are different in the scientific community, or maybe my anecdotal experience is actually abnormal, but what I’ve found is that old flat file parsing programs, coded with little or no attention paid to maintaining data integrity, are quite unexceptional.
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AngusMcP Sun, Feb 14, 2010 5:55:45am |
WTH is the obsession with his college transcripts? No Democratic or Republican Presidential candidate since at least the 1970s has released his college transcripts voluntarily.
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CarryOn Mon, Feb 15, 2010 9:21:07am |
re: #450 AngusMcP
“voluntarily”, Oh, that’s rich.
But, have a look back, will ya? Gore, Bush, Kerry, etc etc, all released their college transcripts.
None of them had them SEALED, like B.Obama.
When you take the time and effort to have something sealed, it raises questions. How can you not understand that?
It’s perfectly reasonable to expect him to do what every other Pres. Candidate has done, even if not “voluntarily”
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