Celebrating Women’s Day
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Today is International Women’s Day, and I ask you: where would the human race be without them?
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cliffster Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:55:46am |
Play this song for your little girls, whether they are still little or only figuratively so. Make sure they hear you listening to it often.
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:57:01am |
Its a good sentiment, but I'd never play Jewel for anyone :P
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:57:15am |
It's Womans day? Sweet!
Congrads Ladies...You make it worthwhile to be here on Earth..
(Esp. Megan Fox) *wink*
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:58:39am |
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:58:52am |
Thank you Ice, Marjorie, Mandy, Reine, and all the other women of LGF that I'm forgetting because I'm terrible with names, for all of your contributions to LGF and the world.
Women kick ass. Here's my favorite movie on that topic:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Oh, and Decatur Deb, of course! Heh.
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Cathypop Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:59:01am |
I celebrate being a woman every morning I wake up.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:59:41am |
re: #10 Cathypop
If I had boobies I'd never take my hands off them either.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:00:33am |
re: #3 HoosierHoops
There's an interview of Megan Fox on Youtube.
Interviewer had her put a bag over her head because she was distracting.
I am totally serious.
Search Youtube.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:00:57am |
re: #11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If I had boobies I'd never take my hands off them either.
Somebody asked once: Why did God give Woman Boobs? Men love them so much more...
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cliffster Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:01:38am |
re: #11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If I had boobies I'd never take my hands off them either.
"Scientists now believe that the primary biological function of breasts is to make males stupid"
-- Dave Barry
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MandyManners Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:02:00am |
Details of the study were published last week, ahead of International Women’s Day on Monday, in an attempt to highlight one of the most complicated issues facing Palestinian women.
The Women’s Affairs Center (WAC) study, Women and Inheritance, found 88 percent of those surveyed claimed to have been denied their inheritance. Around two thirds of those interviewed said they would not request aid to restore their legal rights.
SNIP“You can say it’s a matter of culture more than religion,” Diab Zayed, programs officer at the Palestinian Working Woman Society for Development (PWWSD) told The Media Line, noting that the problem exists in the West Bank as well as Gaza.
He explained that the family of a widow’s late husband would prefer to see inheritance pass to the deceased’s brothers and sons rather than the widow.
“Land is very important in the Palestinian community, and they don’t want the land to go to another family if the man dies,” Zayed said. “The [widowed] women might get an amount of money and that’s it.”
“There’s a lack of awareness among women,” he said. “They don’t even deal with it as part of their rights.”
The WAC highlighted several reasons why women in Gaza are reluctant to demand their inheritance: fear of losing their children, lack of awareness of how to approach legal aid organizations and pressure by family members to give up their rights.
PWWSD and several organizations are fighting to have property legally registered in women’s names, in order to prevent situations in which women are pressured to give up their rights.
Palestinian inheritance law follows Islamic law, which stipulates that women are only entitled to half the inheritance amount given to men.
For example, if a father bequeaths $1,000 in inheritance to two daughters and a son, then according to Islamic Law (Sharia), the son will receive $500 and the daughters $250 each.
If a woman is left widowed the inheritance money is by default shared between the children, the husband’s parents and his brothers, and involves a series of calculations dependent on each case’s circumstances.
SNIP
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:03:38am |
re: #16 MandyManners
Oppressed Muslim Women were my first thought when I saw the thread title (til I started thinking about boobies, anyway).
Those poor women.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:05:31am |
re: #12 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There's an interview of Megan Fox on Youtube.
Interviewer had her put a bag over her head because she was distracting.
I am totally serious.
Search Youtube.
LOL...The Speed Channel right now has the Singapore Grand Prix on right now Veggie!!
It's a night race.. Next year I want to be eating noodles in the stands
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MandyManners Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:05:41am |
re: #17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oppressed Muslim Women were my first thought when I saw the thread title (til I started thinking about boobies, anyway).
Those poor women.
*shaking head*
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:05:59am |
I myself have never been able to establish precisely what feminism is; I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat or prostitute.
Rebecca West, 1910 (ish)
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cliffster Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:06:14am |
re: #17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oppressed Muslim Women were my first thought when I saw the thread title (til I started thinking about boobies, anyway).
Those poor women.
You mean there are times when you don't?
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jaunte Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:07:41am |
Interesting story of progress and tradition for some women in Pakistan:
ISLAMABAD: Ambreen made Pakistani history by becoming one of the country’s first female fighter pilots, but on Sunday she was due to swap her flight schedule for an arranged marriage.
[Link: www.dawn.com...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:08:07am |
"Hannibal" is on Bravo right now. The Opera scene is coming up.
Wow. It is a lovely scene.
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cliffster Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:09:03am |
Here's a question for the thread: what do you do when your wife asks you who is the better cook, she or your mom? Applies to anything. Who does X better, me or your mom?
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Cato the Elder Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:09:27am |
re: #24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"Hannibal" is on Bravo right now. The Opera scene is coming up.
Wow. It is a lovely scene.
As in "Lecter"? I couldn't watch that movie. Anthony Hopkins is one of my all-time faves, but that character freaks me out.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:09:42am |
re: #3 HoosierHoops
It's Womans day? Sweet!
Congrads Ladies...You make it worthwhile to be here on Earth..
(Esp.Megan Fox) Salma Hayek *wink*
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:10:02am |
re: #25 cliffster
I did not marry Betty Crocker. I knew it going in, so; no complaints (not many anyway).
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:10:09am |
Would you believe I'm going out to dinner with my mother, four of my six sisters (I count the in-laws) and my daughter tonight. All wonderful, strong, intelligent women. (Except the princess. She's still a girl.)
(The chocolatiers of America are weeping in delight at this news.)
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:10:15am |
Oh goody. And I just love International Men's Day, don't you?
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Locker Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:10:28am |
re: #25 cliffster
Here's a question for the thread: what do you do when your wife asks you who is the better cook, she or your mom? Applies to anything. Who does X better, me or your mom?
It goes like this:
Wife: Who's a better cook, me or your mother?
Me: Honey, you don't cook.
Wife: Oh that's right I don't, I don't. Now get your bitch ass back in the kitchen and make me a turkey pot pie.
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cliffster Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:10:56am |
re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I did not marry Betty Crocker. I knew it going in, so; no complaints (not many anyway).
Well actually, in my case my wife is a much better cook. But, shit, I can't say that about my momma..
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Kragar Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:10:59am |
re: #25 cliffster
Here's a question for the thread: what do you do when your wife asks you who is the better cook, she or your mom? Applies to anything. Who does X better, me or your mom?
"LOOK! A HUGE DISTRACTING THING!"
/pops smoke and runs for cover
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MandyManners Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:11:07am |
“The Middle East remains the most repressive region when it comes to women’s rights but we have noticed some modest gains which have led to a cautious optimism in the fields of education, labor participation and vote participation,” said Sanja Kelly, author of the report.
Researchers in 18 countries in the Middle East and North Africa conducted hundreds of interviews with women to evaluate what progress, if any, women’s rights had made.
The report, published last week by US democracy watchdog Freedom House, found that Algeria, Kuwait and Jordan had taken large steps forward in improving women’s rights. In contrast however, Iraq, the Palestinian Territories and Yemen had fallen behind. Women in Tunisia enjoy the greatest freedoms of any women in the region, followed by their counterparts in Morocco, Algeria and Lebanon, the study found. In Kuwait, women now have the same political rights as men, and four women were elected to parliament in May for the first time in the country’s history.
But on average, only 28 percent of Middle Eastern women work or were “economically active,” the lowest rate in the world, even if some countries such as Qatar had much better rates.
SNIP
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:11:17am |
re: #25 cliffster
Here's a question for the thread: what do you do when your wife asks you who is the better cook, she or your mom? Applies to anything. Who does X better, me or your mom?
My mom could never cook, wouldn't let dad and we all suffered. My wife can't cook and knows better then to try. I love modern women.
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wrenchwench Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:11:21am |
re: #30 Spare O'Lake
Oh goody. And I just love International Men's Day, don't you?
Is that you, Mr. w?
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Batman Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:11:32am |
where would the human race be without them?
A hell of a lot saner. ;P
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:11:40am |
re: #30 Spare O'Lake
Oh goody. And I just love International Men's Day, don't you?
If it makes you feel any better, I've spent the last few days picking out a birthday gift for my father.
Scout gear, because after 35 plus years of scouting, he just doesn't have enough.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:11:48am |
re: #10 Cathypop
I celebrate being a woman every morning I wake up.
I celebrate every morning when I wake up with a women... my girlfriend.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:12:09am |
re: #25 cliffster
Here's a question for the thread: what do you do when your wife asks you who is the better cook, she or your mom? Applies to anything. Who does X better, me or your mom?
Don't answer, it's a trap.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:12:11am |
re: #26 Cato the Elder
Yeah. But the opera is lovely. Here. Short.
Music to "Vide Cor Meum"vhas been used many places... best used here, IMO
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jaunte Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:12:20am |
re: #37 nonsense
But, per Chris Rock, living in cardboard boxes.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:12:40am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:12:42am |
re: #30 Spare O'Lake
Oh goody. And I just love International Men's Day, don't you?
That's every other day of the year.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:12:55am |
re: #25 cliffster
Here's a question for the thread: what do you do when your wife asks you who is the better cook, she or your mom? Applies to anything. Who does X better, me or your mom?
Best Answer:
You look really sexy, dear, can we please have sex right now.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:12:58am |
re: #25 cliffster
Here's a question for the thread: what do you do when your wife asks you who is the better cook, she or your mom? Applies to anything. Who does X better, me or your mom?
Seriously, I would never ask such a question. The standard, set by my mother, is that you always defer to the older generation, ie, your matzo balls will never be as lovely as Aunt Gertrude's, no matter what the objective reality is.
Hence, nothing I cook will ever be as good as my husband's Aunt's-she being the cook in the home he grew up in. This is probably true, but for politeness' sake, it will be considered true regardless.
I have no idea what the correct answer is, once one has been asked the question.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:13:02am |
I don't think I've ever had a girlfriend who was a better cook than me.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:13:20am |
re: #46 Spare O'Lake
Best Answer:
You look really sexy, dear, can we please have sex right now.
Sexy and thin, did I mention you looked thin?
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:13:29am |
Here's to woman! Would that we could fall into her arms without falling into her hands.
-- Ambrose Bierce
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:13:55am |
re: #46 Spare O'Lake
Best Answer:
You look really sexy, dear, can we please have sex right now.
That's creepy. I would never say that to my mom.
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wrenchwench Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:14:39am |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:14:46am |
My husband's aunt, who he did not grow up with, was a professional chef.
My daughter seems to have inherited those genes. In a few years, I might just turn it all over to her.
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cliffster Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:14:51am |
I see these bumper stickers around town. "I [heart] my wife". Asked my wife if she wanted me to get one of those and put it on my car. She said she'd divorce me if I did. Well alrighty then.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:14:52am |
re: #48 Mad Al-Jaffee
I don't think I've ever had a girlfriend who was a better cook than me.
Ever been to Singapore?
/
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:15:05am |
re: #34 MandyManners
I'd like to note that 'liberals' have been loud voices about women's rights in the Middle East for a long, long time. It is only recently that there have been many voices on the 'right' side of the aisle concerned with woman's rights in the middle east.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:15:17am |
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:15:29am |
re: #57 cliffster
I see these bumper stickers around town. "I [heart] my wife". Asked my wife if she wanted me to get one of those and put it on my car. She said she'd divorce me if I did. Well alrighty then.
Honestly, you and your wife talk to much.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:15:49am |
re: #60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Goldamn right.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:16:20am |
I have a great Mom who raised my sister and me alone when my Dad died very young.
I have a great Wife/Best Friend who puts up with a lot, due to the crazy schedule of my job.
Both are far better human beings that I will ever be. I thank G-d for both of them.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:16:23am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:16:30am |
International Women's Day was serious business in the old Soviet Union. Celebrate it with chocolate, Tchaikovsky, and bottles of Red Moscow.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:16:40am |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:18:00am |
re: #59 Obdicut
I'd like to note that 'liberals' have been loud voices about women's rights in the Middle East for a long, long time. It is only recently that there have been many voices on the 'right' side of the aisle concerned with woman's rights in the middle east.
I know... N.O.W. has always been on the forefront of criticizing the patriarchal bullshit in the Middle East.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:18:44am |
You can't kiss an Irish girl unexpectedly. You can only kiss her sooner than she thought you would. -Irish Saying
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:18:50am |
re: #68 Walter L. Newton
I know... N.O.W. has always been on the forefront of criticizing the patriarchal bullshit in the Middle East.
NOW is the National Organisation for Women, Walter. They handle US issues.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:19:26am |
Shit, I have to go grocery shopping before I dig a hole of snark and obfuscation so deep even I can't see the moon.
Here's to women, you guys really are great
(3 weeks out of every month.)
BOOOO JEFF IN OHIO BOOO YOU SUCK!!!!re: #70 iceweasel
LOL
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:19:32am |
Believe it not, there actually IS an International Men's Day...it just isn't celebrated very much.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:19:50am |
Feminism is the radical notion that women are people.
Cheris Kramarae
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:19:57am |
re: #70 iceweasel
Actually that hadn't occurred to me... duh. on me.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:19:58am |
re: #70 iceweasel
NOW is the National Organisation for Women, Walter. They handle US issues.
maybe they should expand their world view .... it would enhance their organization ....
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:19:59am |
L. Hamilton wins the Singapore Grand Prix...
What a handsome young man.. His family must be very proud of him.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:20:25am |
re: #70 iceweasel
NOW is the National Organisation for Women, Walter. They handle US issues.
You have a point.
What groups have been supportive of woman's right in the Middle East?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:20:42am |
re: #68 Walter L. Newton
I know... N.O.W. has always been on the forefront of criticizing the patriarchal bullshit in the Middle East.
NOW has, as its name implies, a national agenda, although they have responded to Middle Eastern related issues in the United States.
Feminist organizations with an international focus have been concerned with women's issues in the Middle East for many years.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:20:59am |
re: #77 Walter L. Newton
You have a point.
What groups have been supportive of woman's right in the Middle East?
Israel
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:21:25am |
re: #75 _RememberTonyC
maybe they should expand their world view ... it would enhance their organization ...
They handle US issues. There are plenty of other organisations in the US and elsewhere that are concerned with women's rights globally.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:21:46am |
Here's to chicks!
*raises glass, gets slapped*
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:22:16am |
re: #25 cliffster
Here's a question for the thread: what do you do when your wife asks you who is the better cook, she or your mom? Applies to anything. Who does X better, me or your mom?
Related. Is there in fact a correct answer to "Honey, do you think that woman is attractive?"
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ryannon Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:22:28am |
re: #24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"Hannibal" is on Bravo right now. The Opera scene is coming up.
Wow. It is a lovely scene.
One of my all-time favorites as well
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HelloDare Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:22:47am |
The link is to part of the audio.
Below is a LexisNexis transcript.
Just an innocent Rather metaphor -- but imagine if a conservative had said it.
The Chris Matthews Show Various Times NBC
March 7, 2010 SundayMr. RATHER: But when you talk about a triumph, though, that--one--part of the undertow in the coming election is going to be President Obama's leadership, and the Republicans will make a case, and a lot of independents will buy this argument. Listen, he just hasn't been--look at the health care bill, it was his number one priority and it took him forever to get it through and he had to compromise it to death--and a version of, `Listen, he's a nice person, he's very articulate,' this is what's going to be used against him. But he couldn't sell watermelons if it--you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:22:54am |
re: #80 iceweasel
They handle US issues. There are plenty of other organisations in the US and elsewhere that are concerned with women's rights globally.
they have a pretty prestigious organization with something of a bully pulpit. is there any good reason for them NOT to check in on the issue?
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:22:55am |
It's international women's day?
That's like Mother's day. Just once a year?
Every day should be women's day. Just like every day should be mother's day.
There's been quite a bit of progress, but as usual, some of the usual suspects are up to their same old/same old:
Iran prevents an Iranian poet from attending Women's Day festivities in France.
The situation in Afghanistan remains tenuous.
Rights of women throughout the Middle East is a mixed bag and some countries like Saudi Arabia continue to treat women as second class citizens.
Some Palestinians see advancement of women's rights when they start assuming the role of revolutionaries and suicide bombers.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:23:09am |
the stereotypical southern evangelical church known as the Westboro Baptists are being dragged on appeal before SCOTUS. 1st amendment nerds assemble.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:23:20am |
re: #82 The Sanity Inspector
Related. Is there in fact a correct answer to "Honey, do you think that woman is attractive?"
I can't think of one. I also can't think of a reason to ask that question.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:23:36am |
re: #82 The Sanity Inspector
Related. Is there in fact a correct answer to "Honey, do you think that woman is attractive?"
"What woman? --Oh her? Meh. I was so busy looking at you I didn't notice her."
/always happy to help out the mens.
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MandyManners Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:23:36am |
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:23:41am |
re: #82 The Sanity Inspector
Related. Is there in fact a correct answer to "Honey, do you think that woman is attractive?"
"she's pretty, but not as beautiful as you, sweetie pie."
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:23:57am |
re: #85 _RememberTonyC
they have a pretty prestigious organization with something of a bully pulpit. is there any good reason for them NOT to check in on the issue?
YES, because their mandate is to handle the US.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:24:07am |
re: #70 iceweasel
NOW is the National Organisation for Women, Walter. They handle US issues.
Please see, however, the search on the NOW websites, on (to pick a good random search term), honor killing.
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:24:41am |
re: #85 _RememberTonyC
Because it's beyond the scope of their organization to improve women's rights domestically. It would take away resources that would go to improving the situation here in the US.
Some groups that follow womens' rights are the same kind of groups that follow human rights generally, including AI and HRW. It's part of their general mission.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:24:42am |
re: #75 _RememberTonyC
maybe they should expand their world view ... it would enhance their organization ...
Why? There are dozens of international women's organizations.
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:24:45am |
re: #82 The Sanity Inspector
"I don't like chicks. Luckily you're mannish enough to make up for it."
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:25:13am |
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middy Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:25:14am |
re: #87 spacejesus
the stereotypical southern evangelical church known as the Westboro Baptists are being dragged on appeal before SCOTUS. 1st amendment nerds assemble.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Topeka is hardly "Southern"....
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:25:22am |
Its funny to have hate for the NOW come up on a thread about respecting women >>
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:26:14am |
re: #99 windsagio
Its funny to have hate for the NOW come up on a thread about respecting women >>
Especially for the purposes of bashing NOW.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:26:16am |
re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist
Why? There are dozens of international women's organizations.
the way I see it, adding another voice adds strength to the cause. But that's just me ...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:26:18am |
re: #83 ryannon
Commercial is on... opera is starting in a minute.
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Gus Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:26:29am |
re: #99 windsagio
Its funny to have hate for the NOW come up on a thread about respecting women >>
Yeah, I'm scratching my hear. "Celebrating Women's Day" morphs into vehicle for bashing N.O.W. It's almost like tuning into the Rush Limbaugh show.
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MandyManners Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:26:41am |
re: #87 spacejesus
the stereotypical southern evangelical church known as the Westboro Baptists are being dragged on appeal before SCOTUS. 1st amendment nerds assemble.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
That pit of vipers is NOT southern nor is it typical of evangelicals.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:26:48am |
Amnesty International is, of course, one of the leaders on women's rights.
[Link: www.amnesty.org...]
Warning: Some of the stories will make you seethe with rage.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:27:10am |
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Gus Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:27:36am |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:27:37am |
re: #82 The Sanity Inspector
Related. Is there in fact a correct answer to "Honey, do you think that woman is attractive?"
Answer in a very detailed fashion. Your SO doesn't want to hear long descriptions of the other woman, even in support of your SO's superior beauty.
Sometimes a job done too well illustrates the point just right!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:27:41am |
I love my mother/grandmother/wife/daughter/sisters.
trying to see the order to rank them...
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:27:54am |
For more information, please check out the work of the Feminist Majority Foundation. Their work includes the Arab world, Afghanistan, and Iran.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:27:55am |
re: #104 MandyManners
That pit of vipers is NOT southern nor is it typical of evangelicals.
it is incredibly typical. westboro just has the balls to take their intolerance to the street.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:28:11am |
re: #82 The Sanity Inspector
Related. Is there in fact a correct answer to "Honey, do you think that woman is attractive?"
Stare adoringly into wife's eyes and say "What woman?"
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:28:18am |
re: #108 spacejesus
Its interesting to read about how the 'Southern Baptist' organizations formed.
It was largely linked to the fact that the main Baptist group in the US was strongly abolitionist.
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rhino2 Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:28:27am |
Today is International Women’s Day, and I ask you: where would the human race be without them?
Still in the Garden of Eden!
/(forgive me if the joke has been done already)
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MandyManners Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:28:28am |
re: #108 spacejesus
they call themselves "southern baptist"
I can call myself "Queen of the Galaxy" but that doesn't make me so.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:28:30am |
re: #108 spacejesus
they call themselves "southern baptist"
That's a denomination name bro..Not location
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:28:34am |
re: #101 _RememberTonyC
the way I see it, adding another voice adds strength to the cause. But that's just me ...
They participate in a variety of international projects as a partner or sponsor from time to time.
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RogueOne Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:29:24am |
re: #82 The Sanity Inspector
Related. Is there in fact a correct answer to "Honey, do you think that woman is attractive?"
all I know is "I'd hit it" is NOT the correct answer.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:29:34am |
re: #50 Jeff In Ohio
Goldamn right.
"This ain't the only goldarn university in the goldarn state!"
-Henry Fonda, Spencer's Mountain
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:29:34am |
re: #111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I love my mother/grandmother/wife/daughter/sisters.
trying to see the order to rank them...
/
There is no order. Your heart is like a house. Different rooms with different purposes.
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Kragar Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:29:42am |
For International Women's day, I present the toughest woman in Thailand.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:29:54am |
re: #117 MandyManners
I can call myself "Queen of the Galaxy" but that doesn't make me so.
one of the hallmarks of baptists is that anyone call themselves one actually
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:29:58am |
re: #84 HelloDare
The link is to part of the audio.
Below is a LexisNexis transcript.
Just an innocent Rather metaphor -- but imagine if a conservative had said it.
It's always excruciating to hear, whenever he tries to be folksy. Texan or no, he's about as downhome as a lunch date at the Algonquian Club.
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Locker Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:30:00am |
re: #121 MandyManners
Oh, go piss up a rope.
Hey it's Mandy's favorite "Someone proved me wrong again and I've got nothing to say" answer. Oh and fyi dear, there is a spinoffs link section at the top of every thread for a reason. *wink* SNIP
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drcordell Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:30:03am |
re: #113 spacejesus
it is incredibly typical. westboro just has the balls to take their intolerance to the street.
Exactly. The difference is that one group rants and raves about homosexuals burning in hell inside a building.
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MandyManners Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:30:35am |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:30:36am |
re: #113 spacejesus
it is incredibly typical. westboro just has the balls to take their intolerance to the street.
translated:
"but for lack of examples, my statement could, like, totally be proven true"
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:30:43am |
Shameless repost of mine from the other night about the meaning of radical feminism, for those who are interested:
the 'radical' only refers to the Latin radicalis "of roots". Radical Feminism seeks the source or root of women's oppression and identifies it as being the source of all oppression everywhere-- that is, that the oppression of women was the first sort of oppression in human history and is the model for all other forms of oppression.
It also locates the source or root of women's oppression in biology-- specifically, female sexuality and reproduction. It identifies the control of female sexuality and female reproductve life as central to the oppression of women. (this is not to deny that there are other forms of oppression, it just places the primary locus of the oppression of women as rooted there).
Consequently a radical feminist, at the very least, will believe that ensuring women's sexual and reproductive autonomy is central to the liberation of women.
Some will go further and argue that the oppression of women is 'worse' than all other kinds of oppression. I don't play that game; I'm not interested in grading who is oppressed more, and I'm opposed to oppression full stop, but that is a consequence of my being a humanist, not only a feminist.
But when we consider the world as a whole, and that women make up 51 percent of that world, and look at the condition of women worldwide, (which is also something a radical feminist is interested in, not merely women in the US, or western industrialised nations) there is no doubt that the oppression of women is more widespread than that of any other single group, and that's purely a consequence of population stats.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:30:52am |
re: #113 spacejesus
Haven't down-dinged you in a while...
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:31:14am |
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:31:33am |
re: #89 iceweasel
"What woman? --Oh her? Meh. I was so busy looking at you I didn't notice her."
/always happy to help out the mens.
Or, "Her? Naw! She's got bad....posture..."
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SpaceJesus Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:31:35am |
re: #118 HoosierHoops
That's a denomination name bro..Not location
when did i ever refer to them by location?
now that you guys mention it though, kansas is culturally extremely similar to the south. perhaps kansas should be classified as some sort of redneck southern satellite.
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:32:03am |
re: #87 spacejesus
the stereotypical southern evangelical church known as the Westboro Baptists are being dragged on appeal before SCOTUS. 1st amendment nerds assemble.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Westboro has the right to show the world that it is racist, biased, idiotic, trogloditic, and otherwise generally bass-ackward.
As much as it pains me to see the families of these soldiers have to put up with their crapulence, Westboro does have the right to protest - it is political speech and I would hope that the Courts do find accordingly.
Protests can be countered with counter-protests, which is often what has been done elsewhere. Still, the Courts have previously found time,space, manner limitations on speech, so they might find that Westboro violated those grounds. Not sure what they'll do with the $5 million in damages. They might reverse and remand on those grounds...
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SpaceJesus Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:32:05am |
re: #129 drcordell
Exactly. The difference is that one group rants and raves about homosexuals burning in hell inside a building.
yep.
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SteveC Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:32:32am |
Hey hey!
The little boy that was in the hospital for heart surgery that I told you about a couple of days ago is going to be released from the hospital today! :)
They will get out late in the afternoon (Perhaps after 5 PM) and it's a four hour drive home, so they are going to stay overnight at the Ronald McDonald House and leave for home in the morning.
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RogueOne Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:32:40am |
Mens day is March 14, steak and something day. You'll have to do a Google search if you don't know what I mean.
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:32:49am |
re: #132 iceweasel
Where do you stand on the sex-positive issue with radical feminism? (sorry for bad construction, its hard to put together)
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Kragar Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:33:02am |
re: #134 Obdicut
Nope. That would be this woman:
[Link: www.danistroom.com...]
Actually in the movie, the heroine actually fights a few transexual Thai mobsters.
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drcordell Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:33:22am |
re: #140 RogueOne
Mens day is March 14, steak and something day. You'll have to do a Google search if you don't know what I mean.
Oh man is it time already! Best day of the year.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:33:34am |
re: #128 Locker
Hey it's Mandy's favorite "Someone proved me wrong again and I've got nothing to say" answer. Oh and fyi dear, there is a spinoffs link section at the top of every thread for a reason. *wink* SNIP
if spacejesus' post = proof, then i have proof of cavewomen at a brontosaurus brunch to sell you, circa 3,845BC...
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:33:53am |
In the early twelfth century century the Virgin had been the supreme protectress of civilisation. She had taught a race of tough and ruthless barbarians the virtues of tenderness and compassion. The great cathedrals of the Middle Ages were her dwelling places upon earth. In the Renaissance, while remaining the Queen of Heaven, she became also the human mother in whom everyone could recognise qualities of warmth and love and approachability...
The stabilising, comprehensive religions of the world, the religions which penetrate to every part of a man's being--in Egypt, India or China--gave the female principle of creation at least as much importance as the male, and wouldn't have taken seriously a philosophy that failed to include them both...It's a curious fact that the all-male religions have produced no religious imagery--in most cases have positively forbidden it. The great religious art of the world is deeply involved with the female principle.
--Kenneth Clark, Civilisation, 1969
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:34:01am |
re: #129 drcordell
Exactly. The difference is that one group rants and raves about homosexuals burning in hell inside a building.
says the guy who's been to lots of different churches
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Jadespring Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:34:29am |
There's also all sorts of domestic organizations in specific countries or in regions. You just have to use some googlefu to search them out.
One of the thing I like about this day is that a lot of media covers stories and issues that aren't normally heard about.
Like for instance on the radio this am they had a panel on woman and farming. They had someone from the states and a couple of other women from Africa and Brazil that worked specifically on issues in their respective regions.
I learned a lot. I had no idea for instance that in Africa approxmately 80% of farmers are women. Similar stats in parts of SA as well.
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drcordell Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:34:40am |
re: #146 Aceofwhat?
says the guy who's been to lots of different churches
I've been to enough churches to know that Evangelicals are not tolerant of homosexuality. Are you seriously trying to make the argument that they are?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:35:33am |
re: #141 windsagio
Where do you stand on the sex-positive issue with radical feminism? (sorry for bad construction, its hard to put together)
My experience has always been that whenever the words 'sex-positive' or 'radical feminist' are used in the conversation, it turns out a short time later that there is something tragically wrong with my personal life.
This may just be a left-over phobia from college, though.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:35:36am |
re: #141 windsagio
Where do you stand on the sex-positive issue with radical feminism? (sorry for bad construction, its hard to put together)
sex-positive is a ridiculous expression. But I'm certainly sex-positive in the way they mean it. More on this (also repost)
you'll find all kinds of infighting among groups that call themselves radical feminists over what that term means and what strategies to adopt. Some of the wacko anti-porn agitators of the 80's would have called themselves radical feminists, but they were obsessed with controlling porn in the US, rather than, say, worrying about female circumscsion in africa and elsewhere. They also located the source of women's oppression in porn, which is laughable.
Anyway that Alison Jaggar book on Feminist Theories is an excellent basic primary on feminism.
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:35:37am |
re: #146 Aceofwhat?
I think they're largely right about the Southern Baptists, and I have been to alot of different churches (Not just for myself, but also with clients. If they wanna go to church, we take them, no matter what, and to the one they want to visit).
Like it or not, the Southern Baptists were formed out of racism and bigotry, and bigotry is still one of their mainstays.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:35:57am |
re: #142 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Nifty. I got to meet Nong Toom's teacher once. I was a Muay Thai instructor, a long time ago.
He said "every day I worried that Nong would be shot."
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:36:42am |
re: #148 drcordell
I've been to enough churches to know that Evangelicals are not tolerant of homosexuality. Are you seriously trying to make the argument that they are?
if by "tolerant" you mean "don't spend any time ranting about homosexuals going to hell", then yes. I am serious.
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Stonemason Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:36:45am |
re: #148 drcordell
I've been to enough churches to know that Evangelicals are not tolerant of homosexuality. Are you seriously trying to make the argument that they are?
thin that brush a little, please.
I know many, many evangelicals that are quite tolerant of homosexuality.
Oh, and Baptists too.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:36:48am |
re: #146 Aceofwhat?
I've been to lots of different churches, and read the literature and statements of lots of different churches.
Most evangelical churches are highly bigoted against gays. I'm hoping this changes with the new generation.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:37:07am |
re: #146 Aceofwhat?
says the guy who's been to lots of different churches
Per FSTDT, there's a Ugandan pastor who decided to illustrate his rant about the evils of gay sex by showing the congregation...gay porn.
Several people responded by enthusiastically announcing that they wanted to go to HIS church now.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:37:12am |
re: #108 spacejesus
they call themselves "southern baptist"
re: #136 spacejesus
when did i ever refer to them by location?
now that you guys mention it though, kansas is culturally extremely similar to the south. perhaps kansas should be classified as some sort of redneck southern satellite.
You know what SJ? You are a fucking Bigot.. You ever wonder why you get thousands of Downdings here?
There is a difference between having an edge and being a little smart ass bitch.. Maybe someday you'll find it
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:37:18am |
re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist
My experience has always been that whenever the words 'sex-positive' or 'radical feminist' are used in the conversation, it turns out a short time later that there is something tragically wrong with my personal life.
This may just be a left-over phobia from college, though.
yeah, that's when 'the personal is political' turns into 'let's examine everyone's personal lives and choices in inappropriate ways'....
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:37:19am |
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:37:41am |
re: #150 iceweasel
Oh, I know about it some, I have to admit I find the infighting fascinating.
And yeah, you hit it on the head. The 'sex-positive' thing I got from the controversy about the anti-porn people.
I'm out of date now tho', I don't really know how things have changed since... probably the mid-90s.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:38:07am |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:38:20am |
re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist
Per FSTDT, there's a Ugandan pastor who decided to illustrate his rant about the evils of gay sex by showing the congregation...gay porn.
Several people responded by enthusiastically announcing that they wanted to go to HIS church now.
Now THAT is how one goes about kicking dumb Christians in the balls with style.
Well played, SFZ...as usual!
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drcordell Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:38:38am |
re: #148 drcordell
I've been to enough churches to know that Evangelicals are not tolerant of homosexuality. Are you seriously trying to make the argument that they are?
And no, I am not saying that ALL evangelical churches preach a gospel of bigotry against homosexuals. But evangelical churches that tolerate homosexuality are a vast, vast minority. As referenced in nearly every article describing an evangelical church that decides to not preach a gospel of hatred against gays.
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
. Highlands become a stand-alone church no longer under Pathways' authority and Tidd announced it would be open and affirming to LGBT people.
Tidd said that in light of the decision, he also plans to give up his Christian Reformed Church ministerial credentials because his position conflicts with the denomination's.
The exodus from Highlands began as the reason for the break became known. Tidd said over two months, the church lost half its attendance and two-thirds of its financial support.
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jaunte Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:38:45am |
Recent developments:
From its 1845 birth in Georgia as a haven for white Baptists who supported slavery, the SBC has had troubled relations with African Americans. For 150 years, by its own admission, it was hostile to black progress, often speaking in favor of Jim Crow laws.But in 1995, the Southern Baptists did an about-face, issuing a public apology for their history of bigotry and vowing to "eradicate racism in all its forms" from its ranks.
These days, the faith that was once proudly white now touts the fact that almost 20 percent of its congregations are predominantly black, Latino or Asian. Hundreds of minorities serve in leadership posts in its state conventions, seminaries and other organizations.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:38:54am |
re: #161 windsagio
I think the big thing now is sex work. There's quite a bit of bullshit about that.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:38:57am |
re: #161 windsagio
The infighting kind of annoys me when the real, established abuses, the non-metaphysical ones, are still very much in play. Example from the Amnesty study linked above:
In Nordic countries, for example, the use of violence or threats of violence determine the seriousness of rape rather than the violation of a woman's sexual autonomy. The report Case Closed: Rape and Human Rights in the Nordic Countries, documents one case in Finland where a man forced a woman to have sexual intercourse in the disabled toilet of a car park by banging her head against the wall and twisting her arm behind her back. In the prosecutor's opinion, this was not rape as the violence used was of slight degree. The man was convicted of coercion into sexual intercourse and sentenced to a conditional (suspended) seven-month prison term.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:38:59am |
re: #137 lawhawk
Westboro has the right to show the world that it is racist, biased, idiotic, trogloditic, and otherwise generally bass-ackward.
As much as it pains me to see the families of these soldiers have to put up with their crapulence, Westboro does have the right to protest - it is political speech and I would hope that the Courts do find accordingly.
Protests can be countered with counter-protests, which is often what has been done elsewhere. Still, the Courts have previously found time,space, manner limitations on speech, so they might find that Westboro violated those grounds. Not sure what they'll do with the $5 million in damages. They might reverse and remand on those grounds...
id love to read westboro's brief. im not sure if they are arguing political speech here, as time and time again they have made it clear that this is religious in nature, not political.
extending the right to the kind of privacy you enjoy in your home to funeralscemetaries wouldn't be that big a limitation on the 1st in my opinion. if the holding was specifically crafted to just those instances, i think i'd be ok with it. i could be persuaded the other way maybe though, as i am a big fan of a strong 1st amendment.
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:39:14am |
re: #159 Aceofwhat?
Oh yeah, I missed that jump :p
The evangelical movement is too broad to paint that way.
That being said, there's certainly a broad undercurrent of intolerance in the movement. Not universal, but it'd be wrong to deny it.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:39:34am |
Sitting here making my sister a pearl illusion necklace for her birthday.
I decided some time ago to stop feeling any embarrassment whatsoever at liking shiny, pretty things. In return, I never make fun of the endless run of black and white WWII movies.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:39:56am |
re: #157 HoosierHoops
You know what SJ? You are a fucking Bigot.. You ever wonder why you get thousands of Downdings here?
There is a difference between having an edge and being a little smart ass bitch.. Maybe someday you'll find it
Yep. SFZ has an edge (see above). Nothing wrong with taking a swipe at teh dumb.
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SteveC Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:40:05am |
And I have to give a shout out to two women:
1) My mom. She was the first person to notice that "Something" wasn't right with me physically. She didn't know what it was, but 3 days after i was born I wasn't acting right and she made sure the right people knew;
2) Dr. Helen B. Taussig, M.D. She was Dyslexic and slowly went deaf, but without her research of "Blue Babies" in the 1930's and 40's, the field of Pediatric Cardiology wouldn't be what it is today. In 1943 she cornered Surgeon Alfred Blalock and by force of will convinced him that she had a workable idea to surgically correct a Congenital Heart Defect.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:40:06am |
re: #151 windsagio
I think they're largely right about the Southern Baptists, and I have been to alot of different churches (Not just for myself, but also with clients. If they wanna go to church, we take them, no matter what, and to the one they want to visit).
Like it or not, the Southern Baptists were formed out of racism and bigotry, and bigotry is still one of their mainstays.
exactly. although i did date a girl who belonged to the korean southern baptists once. that was kind of weird.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:40:08am |
re: #161 windsagio
Oh, I know about it some, I have to admit I find the infighting fascinating.
And yeah, you hit it on the head. The 'sex-positive' thing I got from the controversy about the anti-porn people.
I'm out of date now tho', I don't really know how things have changed since... probably the mid-90s.
Yeah, 'sex-positive' was the rallying cry of the 90s.
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drcordell Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:40:42am |
re: #154 Stonemason
thin that brush a little, please.
I know many, many evangelicals that are quite tolerant of homosexuality.
Oh, and Baptists too.
I'm sorry, I should have been more specific. I am referring specifically to the dogma of Evangelical churches, and their teachings from the pulpit. Not the feelings of individual Evangelicals themselves. Although I would have to imagine that the majority of Evangelicals support their church's position on homosexuality, or the churches choosing to affirm their tolerance of homosexuality would not be forced to splinter off.
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ryannon Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:41:10am |
re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Commercial is on... opera is starting in a minute.
The level of the actors' craft in that scene (the two-plus minutes of the opera) is also superb. Not a word exchanged; everything is silently explicit. A first-class job, there.
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:41:50am |
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SteveC Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:43:11am |
re: #151 windsagio
Like it or not, the Southern Baptists were formed out of racism and bigotry, and bigotry is still one of their mainstays.
I am a Southern Baptist, and as much as I hate to say it, Windsagio is pretty much right. :(
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:43:32am |
re: #177 windsagio
It's just the old "if the woman doesn't die fighting back she must have on some level been okay with it" bit of assholishness.
To me, a small amount of physical coercion implies a larger amount if the person resists. I don't require the victim to prove that.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:44:25am |
re: #177 windsagio
By the by, what is the quill pen and inkpot example?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:44:27am |
re: #166 iceweasel
I think the big thing now is sex work. There's quite a bit of bullshit about that.
That was already a big thing when I was in college, IIRC.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:44:30am |
re: #139 SteveC
Hey hey!
The little boy that was in the hospital for heart surgery that I told you about a couple of days ago is going to be released from the hospital today! :)
They will get out late in the afternoon (Perhaps after 5 PM) and it's a four hour drive home, so they are going to stay overnight at the Ronald McDonald House and leave for home in the morning.
Hi-fives to all concerned!
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:45:02am |
re: #180 Obdicut
Let me find my copy of the book so I get it right, get it to you verbatim in a few minutes
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:45:36am |
re: #183 windsagio
Thanks. Google produced nothing but sites selling cheap inkpots, for me.
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drcordell Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:47:14am |
Wow, OT but a guess a little relevant to the tangent we were on. The GOP California State Senator who got that DUI leaving a gay nightclub came out of the closet today. Gotta give him props for not trying to pull a Ted Haggard or Larry Craig. Good for you Roy Ashburn, I hope a great burden has been lifted from your shoulders. Nobody should have to live in shame of who they really are.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:47:32am |
re: #177 windsagio
yeah... that's brutal. Its also a good place to try to fix sexism. Like the old loathesome 'quill pen and inkpot' example.
re: #166 iceweasel
That's an overwhelming toughie, its probably 'good' for conflict tho'.
Well-- to build on Obdi's point about the infighting--
There's still an issue in the US where some people, especially in that 'sex positive' community, are focussing on issues that imo are of less import at best, and divert attention and resources from very serious issues at worst. When they don't lead to ignoring it altogether.
You'll find a lot of people working on the sex work issue who came out of that sex positive movement, and many of them are all about focussing more on the 'stopping the demonisation' of sex work -- but they're looking at college students working as strippers or escorts, phone sex, porn, whatever. They'll have some minor interest in the areas that affect others, and almost no interest in the worldwide sex slavery trade, or global issues about sex work, or even the realities about who sex workers are even here in the us. Slaves, pretty much.
That's my current problem with some of those people.
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Stonemason Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:47:34am |
re: #175 drcordell
I'm sorry, I should have been more specific. I am referring specifically to the dogma of Evangelical churches, and their teachings from the pulpit. Not the feelings of individual Evangelicals themselves. Although I would have to imagine that the majority of Evangelicals support their church's position on homosexuality, or the churches choosing to affirm their tolerance of homosexuality would not be forced to splinter off.
Well, I have spent many Sunday's in evangelical churches, none recently, so maybe things have changed. I NEVER once heard homosexuality talked about inside the hall, not once in all the years of Sundays. It just is not on the menu, it matters so little to Salvation (according to the Gospels).
Because some pastors are vocal about this does not mean that this is a part of sermons in other halls.
My biggest problem, and the one that should be on this thread, is the misogynistic tenor of Gospel Halls.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:47:36am |
I had some stunning thoughts last night, the result of studying Tolstoi, Spengler, New Testament and also the result of praying to St. Mary to intercede for me to make me stop being a maniacal drunkard...So far, every prayer addressed to the Holy Mother has been answered...But I do want to point out, the reason I think she intercedes so well for us, is because she too is a human being.
--Jack Kerouac, letter to Bob Giroux, February 1963
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:47:55am |
re: #184 Obdicut
Everybody has heard the joke about the lawyer who used a quil and an ink bottle to get his client acquitted on a rape charge. He told the jury there was no such thing as rape, and proved it by having a witness try to put the quill in the bottle---which he manipulated so deftly that the witness finally gave up.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:48:23am |
re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist
That was already a big thing when I was in college, IIRC.
Oh yeah, but there's all this fallout still going on from then imo.
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HelloDare Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:48:47am |
Illinois Democrat Lipinski Will Switch from Yes to No if Health Bill Lacks Stupak Amendment
Add Congressman Dan Lipinski of Illinois to the coalition of pro-life Democrats standing firmly with Bart Stupak in the fight over taxpayer-funding of abortion in the health care bill. Asked if the congressman is "open to voting for a health care bill that lacks the Stupak amendment," Lipinski's spokesman Nathaniel Zimmer replied in an email to THE WEEKLY STANDARD: "No. Congressman Lipinski will not vote for a health care bill that provides federal funding for abortion."
In addition to Stupak and Lipinski, Congressman Jim Oberstar of Minnesota has said that he will not vote for the health care bill if it lacks the Stupak amendment: "I will not vote for a health care bill that doesn't have the House abortion language in it," Oberstar told Congressional Quarterly on February 24.
What's interesting about the emphatic opposition of Stupak, Lipinski, and Oberstar is that they are all liberals who easily won reelection in 2008. That year, Stupak had a 90% liberal rating from Americans for Democratic Action and a 32-point margin of victory; Oberstar had an 80% ADA rating and a 36-point margin of victory; and Lipinski had a 90% ADA rating and a 52-point margin of victory.
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:49:23am |
re: #186 iceweasel
Yeah thats why I said the issue was too hard to handle :p
No amount of acceptance will change the fact that sex work is intensely dangerous, and that the workers are often virtual or literal slaves. And that's just in the US.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:51:17am |
re: #186 iceweasel
I think it's perfectly possible to be 'sex-postiive' and still demonize certain kinds of sex, for example. Like, if a naive girl gets pressured into having sex by her much older boyfriend, one can demonize that interaction without taking agency away from girls that are not coerced into having sex.
The one point that very importantly is made from the 'sex-positive' movement, though, is that overall demonization of sex makes it less likely for women to report sexual crimes, given that they also have to admit having had sex. This point is not unique to the sex-positive people, though.
I think sex-positive is a great message, but I think it needs a lot of care not to wind up celebrating sex that is abusive.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:51:28am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:51:37am |
re: #192 windsagio
Yeah thats why I said the issue was too hard to handle :p
No amount of acceptance will change the fact that sex work is intensely dangerous, and that the workers are often virtual or literal slaves. And that's just in the US.
When we're talking about sex work as a 'healthy, sexpositive' 'choice', we're already talking about the smallest possible fraction of sex workers, of already very privileged women (by global standards, but also simply within the US itself).
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:51:37am |
re: #189 windsagio
There's also a famous tale (sadly, probably apocryphal) of a young lawyer who pulled the same stunt with a Coke bottle and pencil. His opponent asked to cross, walked over, slugged him, took the bottle and broke it. no further questions.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:52:20am |
I wish that every child, could receive an education. Male or female.
Literacy would do a lot for the world. Including here, in the US.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:52:45am |
re: #192 windsagio
On the other hand: There is a ton of sexual abuse of non-sex-workers as well, amongst illegal immigrant populations and other exploited groups of workers.
Yay! It's all so bad that anywhere you focus you can find problems. Whoo-hoo!
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:53:09am |
re: #187 Stonemason
Well, I have spent many Sunday's in evangelical churches, none recently, so maybe things have changed. I NEVER once heard homosexuality talked about inside the hall, not once in all the years of Sundays. It just is not on the menu, it matters so little to Salvation (according to the Gospels).
Because some pastors are vocal about this does not mean that this is a part of sermons in other halls.
My biggest problem, and the one that should be on this thread, is the misogynistic tenor of Gospel Halls.
likewise. creationism? yeah, i fight that battle a lot. but never heard a message about homosexuality...ever.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:53:16am |
re: #193 Obdicut
I think sex-positive is a great message, but I think it needs a lot of care not to wind up celebrating sex that is abusive.
Abusive, or coerced, etc. In many ways the sex positive issue was a reaction against the Dworkin/McKinnon style anti-pr0n people. Pendulum swinging and all that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:53:58am |
re: #193 Obdicut
I think it's perfectly possible to be 'sex-postiive' and still demonize certain kinds of sex, for example. Like, if a naive girl gets pressured into having sex by her much older boyfriend, one can demonize that interaction without taking agency away from girls that are not coerced into having sex.
The one point that very importantly is made from the 'sex-positive' movement, though, is that overall demonization of sex makes it less likely for women to report sexual crimes, given that they also have to admit having had sex. This point is not unique to the sex-positive people, though.
I think sex-positive is a great message, but I think it needs a lot of care not to wind up celebrating sex that is abusive.
It also becomes, very easily, a celebration of certain kinds of sexual behavior over others. If you're not sparkly and rebellious enough, you don't get the same respect shown to your choices.
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:54:37am |
re: #194 Aceofwhat?
well in fairness, here's the commentary from the author after relating that uplifting story:
That sounds like one of Cotton Mather's jokes, or the wisdom of somebody very much like him--somebody who has never had his arm bent up between his shoulderblades. Any lawyer who says there's no such thing as rape should be hauled out to a public place by three large perverts and buggered at high noon, with all his clients watching.
The point is that that's the kind of thing some folks believe, and its simply loathesome.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:54:44am |
re: #189 windsagio
What a goddamn asshole.
I've had female friends who were raped. I mean, all of us have, I'm sure. Two come to mind who were violently raped. One of them struggled less, and her outcome was better. One struggled more, and the outcome was losing an eye.
So fuck that lawyer. The goddamn 'inkwell' is a woman, and maybe she's not moving around because she's terrified he's going to continue to hurt her.
What we do to each other, I swear.
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:55:16am |
re: #201 iceweasel
Aah Dworkin. I got so worked up over her in College. Stupid "All sex is raped, and I've been raped thousands of times"
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:55:45am |
re: #191 HelloDare
'STUPAK HAPPENS TO BE WRONG'.... Arguably the single biggest threat to health care reform is Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) and his dozen Democratic allies, who are threatening to kill the legislation over indirect, circuitous funding of abortion.
Efforts to work with Stupak are ongoing, but it's worth emphasizing a relevant detail: Stupak is just wrong about the underlying policy dispute. Whether he knows he's wrong, and he's just hoping to kill health care reform, is unclear. But the accuracy of Stupak's claims aren't in dispute: the facts aren't on his side.
ABC News did a nice job fact-checking Stupak's argument this week, and Slate's Tim Noah (a Monthly alum) published the definitive takedown a couple of days ago, explaining that some areas of the debate are open to interpretation and debate, but this isn't one of them: "Stupak happens to be wrong."
Ideally, this would be enough. Democratic leaders would explain the truth to Stupak and his allies, making the case on the merits -- the Senate compromise language, endorsed by center-right Dems who oppose abortion rights, already does what Stupak & Co. want, which is to prevent public funding of abortion.
But Stupak has been reluctant to listen to reason, and continues to make claims that simply fail to stand up to scrutiny. The new goal is to strike a related deal that would address Stupak's concerns in a separate-but-connected bill. That may or may not be enough.
If reform is going to pass, however, the votes are going to have to come from somewhere. Stupak claims to have a dozen "yes" votes in his pocket, all of whom will bolt and side with Republicans. Without them, Pelosi would need a dozen Blue Dogs who opposed reform in November to switch, which may prove too high a hurdle.
In the meantime, though, it's worth re-emphasizing reality -- Stupak's argument is factually in error. That will make negotiations with him more complicated -- lawmakers who stick to a mistake after it's been exposed as a mistake can be challenging to deal with -- but that's where we find ourselves.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:56:22am |
re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist
Heh. There are few things more intolerant than a hardcore BDSM person confronted with someone for whom BDSM is a turnoff. One thing that annoys me about that 'community'.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:57:08am |
I hate women because they always know where things are.
-- James Thurber
Well, you can't make women happy, that's a kind of fundamental
law of the universe. You try and make them happy and they'll never
forgive you for revealing to them that they can't be.
-- Len Deighton, _Spy Story_
Two different things wanteth the true man: danger and
diversion. Therefore wanteth he woman, as the most dangerous
plaything.
-- Nietzsche, _Thus Spake Zarathustra_
There is no doubt that the world is kept young by women of all
ages. They mitigate the incurable solemnity of men.
-- James Douglas, _Down Shoe Lane_
Women in bulk are chastening. Great droves of the most
enticing beings in the world do not entice.
-- Frank Moore Colby, _The Colby Essays_, v. 1
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:57:47am |
re: #208 Obdicut
Its funny that you've seen that too. My friends (the poly ones, I've mentioned them before) are into that stuff, but they had to get out of the scene proper because most of the people they met were schizmatic stuck-up assholes.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:58:21am |
re: #205 windsagio
Aah Dworkin. I got so worked up over her in College. Stupid "All sex is raped, and I've been raped thousands of times"
I have to say that Dworkin, to my best assessment, is not a well person, and rather than working toward health, she's used her academic prominence to insist that her neuroses have theoretical heft to them.
She also, at least the last time I checked in, seems to have a younger male partner who's bought into her theorizing.
Ah well, for every shoe, God made a foot.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:58:38am |
re: #210 windsagio
Its funny that you've seen that too. My friends (the poly ones, I've mentioned them before) are into that stuff, but they had to get out of the scene proper because most of the people they met were schizmatic stuck-up assholes.
I've concluded that those people are like the Trekkies of the sex world. /
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:59:27am |
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prairiefire Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:59:54am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:00:28pm |
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:01:01pm |
re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist
SFZ, Prariefire, how could I have forgotten you guys when I wrote my initial post? Sorry.
I'm just terrible with names.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:01:47pm |
re: #204 Obdicut
What a goddamn asshole.
I've had female friends who were raped. I mean, all of us have, I'm sure. Two come to mind who were violently raped. One of them struggled less, and her outcome was better. One struggled more, and the outcome was losing an eye.
So fuck that lawyer. The goddamn 'inkwell' is a woman, and maybe she's not moving around because she's terrified he's going to continue to hurt her.
What we do to each other, I swear.
It's a really cheap lawyer's trick and should have been objected to and ruled out of order. Reminds me of Johnny Cochrane's (successful) gambit with the glove.
BTW, your stated certainty that all of us have had female friends who were raped is very striking. Maybe I have lived a sheltered life, and I don't know where you are from, but that seems kind of extreme to me.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:02:15pm |
re: #213 windsagio
Ahahaha I"m stealin' that!
Oh please do, I want it to become a meme.
It so fits though. Conventions, whose costumes are more 'real', who follows 'the rules' better, arcane rituals and oneupmanship, fights over who speaks Klingon better...
Someone could make an excellent satirical documentary about it. :)
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:02:49pm |
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:02:51pm |
re: #217 Spare O'Lake
I should note that the quote in question is a joke/story, and almost certainly never happened.
Also, rape is freakingly massively underreported, due to various reasons, including the rape stigma.
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SteveC Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:03:30pm |
re: #218 iceweasel
Oh please do, I want it to become a meme.
It so fits though. Conventions, whose costumes are more 'real', who follows 'the rules' better, arcane rituals and oneupmanship, fights over who speaks Klingon better...Someone could make an excellent satirical documentary about it. :)
Fascinating! ^..^
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prairiefire Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:03:49pm |
re: #218 iceweasel
They take sex out of a natural setting into a hyper controlled one. Does that sound non judgmental? I'm trying.
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:03:52pm |
re: #218 iceweasel
Of course, I now want to meet the perfect storm at the nexus.
I'd imagine BDSM trekkies would like TOS, or maybe Voyager if they liked dominant women.
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Obdicut Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:04:15pm |
re: #217 Spare O'Lake
I'm sorry, Spare, but rape still isn't very easy for women-- or men-- to easily reveal, even to good friends. I've had my own experiences with sexual abuse, and shared them, which I think has led to more women letting me know of their experiences.
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drcordell Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:04:25pm |
re: #217 Spare O'Lake
It's a really cheap lawyer's trick and should have been objected to and ruled out of order. Reminds me of Johnny Cochrane's (successful) gambit with the glove.
BTW, your stated certainty that all of us have had female friends who were raped is very striking. Maybe I have lived a sheltered life, and I don't know where you are from, but that seems kind of extreme to me.
I want to say that the percentage of American women who will be raped is around 13%? You very well could know a woman (or several) who has been raped and you just aren't aware of it. I know just during my 4 years in college two girls that I was acquainted with were raped, and that's just the cases that were made public.
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:04:54pm |
re: #222 prairiefire
well you know how it is, you like what you like.
I think it has to do with feeling rejected by society, and thus making out that your own set of values is superior. That often leads to this kind of behavior.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:05:14pm |
re: #217 Spare O'Lake
It's a really cheap lawyer's trick and should have been objected to and ruled out of order. Reminds me of Johnny Cochrane's (successful) gambit with the glove.
BTW, your stated certainty that all of us have had female friends who were raped is very striking. Maybe I have lived a sheltered life, and I don't know where you are from, but that seems kind of extreme to me.
It seems to me to go without saying.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:05:21pm |
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Jadespring Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:05:43pm |
re: #217 Spare O'Lake
It's a really cheap lawyer's trick and should have been objected to and ruled out of order. Reminds me of Johnny Cochrane's (successful) gambit with the glove.
BTW, your stated certainty that all of us have had female friends who were raped is very striking. Maybe I have lived a sheltered life, and I don't know where you are from, but that seems kind of extreme to me.
Unfortunately it's not really. Approximately one in three woman have had some sort of sexual assault occur to them in their lifetime. So maybe not to the extreme of rape but it's more then likely that you know a very many woman who have had something happen to them.
You just don't hear about it because it's just not something that people bring up. I've even been shocked at the number of instances that people bring up when a group of woman get together and really start talking about it.
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SteveC Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:06:07pm |
re: #222 prairiefire
They take sex out of a natural setting into a hyper controlled one.
Ah! So now we know where the phrase "Jump the Ship!" comes from....
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prairiefire Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:08:17pm |
re: #230 SteveC
I still don't understand tossing the salad, ~and no one tell me either! There are ladies present.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:10:09pm |
re: #231 prairiefire
I still don't understand tossing the salad, ~and no one tell me either! There are ladies present.
That's easily Googled.
Unfortunately, it's also common enough now that when I referred in class to a 'tossed salad', I got hysterical laughter.
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prairiefire Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:12:19pm |
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zora Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:13:04pm |
re: #217 Spare O'Lake
i've read that one in five women have experienced some sort of sexual abuse. i know a women that was molested for several years as a child by her pastor; however, he husband doesn't even know.
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SteveC Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:13:41pm |
re: #231 prairiefire
I still don't understand tossing the salad, ~and no one tell me either! There are ladies present.
We won't discuss breaking your cookies, either.
(Hint: It has nothing to do with dropping a bag of Oreos!)
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:17:06pm |
re: #229 Jadespring
Unfortunately it's not really. Approximately one in three woman have had some sort of sexual assault occur to them in their lifetime. So maybe not to the extreme of rape but it's more then likely that you know a very many woman who have had something happen to them.
You just don't hear about it because it's just not something that people bring up. I've even been shocked at the number of instances that people bring up when a group of woman get together and really start talking about it.
I know women who were inappropriately touched as children or at drunken parties, but not raped. I guess the women I know were just lucky, or maybe they just never told me.
In any case I have no wish to engage in any dissection of the sexual assault statistics, which I do know can be somewhat controversial.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:18:10pm |
re: #205 windsagio
Aah Dworkin. I got so worked up over her in College. Stupid "All sex is raped, and I've been raped thousands of times"
"A curse on all Marxists, and on those who would impose dryness and hardness on all the relations of life", spoken by Leon Trotsky before he became an Bolshevik, is tailor-made for her & her type. Joyless ideologues, the lot of 'em...
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:19:42pm |
re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist
I have to say that Dworkin, to my best assessment, is not a well person, and rather than working toward health, she's used her academic prominence to insist that her neuroses have theoretical heft to them.
She also, at least the last time I checked in, seems to have a younger male partner who's bought into her theorizing.
Ah well, for every shoe, God made a foot.
Actually, she passed away five years ago next month.
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windsagio Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:20:41pm |
re: #240 The Sanity Inspector
She was a sick woman. At this point in my life, I can just feel bad for her. 16 years ago, I was outraged!
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Jadespring Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:23:27pm |
re: #238 Spare O'Lake
I know women who were inappropriately touched as children or at drunken parties, but not raped. I guess the women I know were just lucky, or maybe they just never told me.
In any case I have no wish to engage in any dissection of the sexual assault statistics, which I do know can be somewhat controversial.
Fair enough. I respect that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:24:01pm |
re: #240 The Sanity Inspector
Actually, she passed away five years ago next month.
Ah, I hadn't heard. God be good to her.
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:28:02pm |
re: #25 cliffster
Here's a question for the thread: what do you do when your wife asks you who is the better cook, she or your mom? Applies to anything. Who does X better, me or your mom?
I'm a better cook than either.
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DaddyG Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:28:45pm |
[Women] where would the human race be without them?
Sitting in Eden with scurvy wondering what to name stuff for the Gazillionth time. /
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:35:51pm |
If you're interested, and you promise not to hate me for sending you there, there is an extremely harsh denunciation of Dworkin at this old college e-zine.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:42:07pm |
The test of civilization is the estimate of woman. Among savages she is a slave. In the dark ages of Christianity she is a toy and a sentimental goddess. With increasing moral light, and greater liberty, and more universal justice, she begins to develop as an equal human being.
-- George William Curtis, 19th century
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:48:04pm |
However much we would like to see women's liberation as a natural right, it is the achievement of a complex, advanced civilization. Recent events remind us that this civilization is fragile and that its enemies are hostile to freedom for anyone—but especially women. Feminists, perhaps more than anyone else, should realize that the West is worth defending.
-- Cathy Young, "Feminism's Slide Since September 11"
[Link: www.reason.com...]
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:52:13pm |
The pathological loathing of women by the Taliban didn't spring from nowhere, nor has it evaporated overnight. This is an apartheid society, a bifurcated human race where one half has been systematically excised: mothers, wives, daughters are only empty vessels, the regrettable and disgusting physical function through which men must deign to be born.
-- Polly Toynbee, "Was It Worth It",
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:55:17pm |
Woman is the most superstitious animal beneath the moon. When a woman has a premonition that Tuesday will be a disaster, to which a man pays no heed, he will very likely lose his fortune then. This is not meant to be an occult or mystic remark. The female body is a vessel, and the universe drops its secrets into her far more quickly than it communicates them to the male.
-- Edward Dahlberg
What passes for woman's intuition is often nothing more than man's transparency.
-- George Jean Nathan
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Randy W. Weeks Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:26:39pm |
I've had a great 30 years with my wife. I hope to have another 30.
Women almost make me believe in a Higher Power. ;)
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:55:24pm |
My lovely wife and all the other womenfolk in my life certainly make my world go 'round!
Sincere lifelong admiration and thanks to all...
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andres Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:44:18pm |
Congratulations to all women on their day! A flower to each of them @--}---
To answer Charles' question: We wouldn't have gotten out of the Stone Age without women.
Now, if I could find someone to give the remaining flowers I have...
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Samson Mon, Mar 8, 2010 3:41:52pm |
[Link: www.laboratoryequipment.com...]
Women Control World's Largest Physics Lab
Thanks to a successful proposal made by Indiana University senior research scientist Pauline Gagnon, the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) on Monday (March 8) will mark International Women's Day by staffing all control rooms of the world's largest physics laboratory with women.
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