Massa Was Into Snorkeling

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Via Joshua Green at The Atlantic, here’s the latest info about the man Glenn Beck said was going to change the course of American history (before saying he was a fraud the next day): Eric Massa’s Navy Files.

According to Peter Clarke, a Navy shipmate, Massa was notorious for making unwanted advances toward subordinates. He tells the story of his friend Stuart Borsch, with whom Massa shared a hotel room while on leave during the first Gulf War. “Stuart’s at the edge of the bed,” Clarke says Borsch told him at the time, “and [Massa] starts massaging him. Massa said, ‘You’ll have to get one of my special massages.’ He called them ‘Massa Massages.’” Ron Moss, a Navy shipmate and Borsch’s roommate, confirmed that Borsch told him this story at the time.

Borsch, now a history professor at Assumption College in Worcester, Massachusetts, didn’t addresss that specific incident, but did confirm to me in an email that he was groped by Massa: “In 1990, aboard the U.S.S. Jouett, I was awakened when a senior officer, Lt. Commander Massa, seemed to be groping me. (I was a lieutenant at the time.) I believe he may have been drinking. I shouted at him and he left. I mentioned the incident to several other officers. I did not officially report it.”

Clarke says that Massa’s roommate, Tom Maxfield, was also assaulted. “Tom lived on upper bunk,” Clarke say. “When you’re on ship, you’re almost exhausted 24-7. So a lot of times you sleep with your uniform on. Tom and Massa shared a stateroom together. Massa climbed up on the top of his bunk, which is hard to do—you never crawl up on somebody else’s bunk. He wakes up to Massa undoing his pants trying to snorkel him.”

Snorkel him? I don’t even want to know what that means.

(Hat tip: torrentprime.)

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582 comments
1 simoom  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:02:18pm
Snorkel him? I don’t even want to know what that means.

Whatever you do, don't look it up on Urban Dictionary :P.

2 darthstar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:04:27pm

No wonder Glenn Beck was excited to see him.

3 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:04:58pm

...

4 drcordell  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:05:45pm

Yeah, I was wondering what the hell snorkeling was as well. And I'm certainly familiar with plenty of joke names for gratuitous sexual acts. Never heard of the snorkel though.

5 That's Glenn Beck to you  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:06:14pm

Well with this new revelation, i can say that my time with Massa was not a complete waste of America's time - how else would you have learned about snorkeling?

6 drcordell  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:06:24pm

Also, my karma is officially in the green again. Booyeah.

7 drcordell  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:07:34pm

re: #1 simoom

Whatever you do, don't look it up on Urban Dictionary :P.

I must say, some of them are pretty hilarious though.

8 The Left  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:07:56pm

re: #1 simoom

Whatever you do, don't look it up on Urban Dictionary :P.

I just did, and HA!

9 zora  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:08:29pm

re: #1 simoom

just looked it up in the urban dictionary. and yes, my brain is stained.

10 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:09:17pm

"and my tenor saxophone and my 12-pound bowling ball and my lucky, lucky autographed glow-in-the-dark snorkel. ... So anyway, he bursts into my room and he grabs my lucky snorkel and I'm like, "Hey, you can't have that! That snorkel's been just like a snorkel to me!"

11 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:09:21pm

I would think crawling into an occupied bunk would probably be a usual hazard of hotbunking, but I don't think that's an approved way of waking the dude up.

12 drcordell  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:09:32pm

re: #9 zora

just looked it up in the urban dictionary. and yes, my brain is stained.

Go look up your first name on UrbanDictionary and see what's posted. It's usually pretty funny.

13 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:10:13pm

re: #9 zora

just looked it up in the urban dictionary. and yes, my brain is stained.

I loled...
People are weird.
:shrugs:

14 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:10:37pm

re: #11 Obdicut

I would think crawling into an occupied bunk would probably be a usual hazard of hotbunking, but I don't think that's an approved way of waking the dude up.

It is the navy.

/2nd gratuitous slap at the navy in 2 days!

15 drcordell  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:10:40pm

re: #11 Obdicut

I would think crawling into an occupied bunk would probably be a usual hazard of hotbunking, but I don't think that's an approved way of waking the dude up.

Only Eric Massa would think that citing his years of experience in the Navy (beginning in the 1970's IIRC) as an example of his heterosexuality.

16 drcordell  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:11:12pm

re: #15 drcordell

would think of*

PIMF

17 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:12:01pm

re: #1 simoom

Whatever you do, don't look it up on Urban Dictionary :P.

So, of course, I immediately went and looked.

18 simoom  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:12:05pm

re: #4 drcordell

Yeah, I was wondering what the hell snorkeling was as well. And I'm certainly familiar with plenty of joke names for gratuitous sexual acts. Never heard of the snorkel though.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't meant to be more than a printable euphemism for a bog standard sex act. Kind of like when Massa described a Navy bunkmate as "busy remembering his wife".

19 Gus  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:12:28pm

Seems odd that this is coming up at the same time when DADT is under review and in the public spotlight. Good thing I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

20 Virginia Plain  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:12:33pm

re: #1 simoom

Whatever you do, don't look it up on Urban Dictionary :P.

OMG. I wish I didn't see that.

21 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:13:07pm

re: #19 Gus 802

Seems odd that this is coming up at the same time when DADT is under review and in the public spotlight. Good thing I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

No, you're just asking questions...
/

22 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:14:46pm

re: #21 Varek Raith

No, you're just asking questions...
/

He questions the timing.

23 Gus  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:14:47pm

re: #21 Varek Raith

No, you're just asking questions...
/

Probing the forest of ideas... /

24 zora  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:14:51pm

re: #15 drcordell

and include in his reason for leaving office: "rahm made me his bitch in the shower"

25 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:16:03pm

re: #4 drcordell

Yeah, I was wondering what the hell snorkeling was as well. And I'm certainly familiar with plenty of joke names for gratuitous sexual acts. Never heard of the snorkel though.

Is it possible that this is misprint for 'snuggle'?

26 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:16:08pm

Do teabaggers ever get into snorkeling, just to break the routine?

27 Steffan  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:16:29pm

John & Ken on KFI have been having a lot of fun with this one.

I need some brain bleach....

28 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:17:03pm

re: #25 SanFranciscoZionist

Is it possible that this is misprint for 'snuggle'?

Unfortunately, no. Snuggling is nice and can be non-sexual.

29 simoom  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:18:04pm

re: #7 drcordell

re: #8 iceweasel

re: #9 zora

re: #13 Varek Raith

re: #17 reine.de.tout

re: #20 Virginia Plain

Mhuahahaha -- corruption through reverse psychology ;-P!

30 Gus  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:18:24pm

Urban Dictionary definition here.

31 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:18:38pm

re: #17 reine.de.tout

So, of course, I immediately went and looked.

And with your clearance, I went as well.

32 deeezle  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:19:24pm

re: #5 That's Glenn Beck to you

I thought sock puppets were frowned upon here?

33 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:19:27pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea

And with your clearance, I went as well.

You need clearance for UD? I think I may have just broken the law.

34 zora  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:19:30pm

going to cook dinner and spend time with the fam. bbl.

35 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:19:49pm

re: #29 simoom

re: #8 iceweasel

re: #9 zora

re: #13 Varek Raith

re: #17 reine.de.tout

re: #20 Virginia Plain

Mhuahahaha -- corruption through reverse psychology ;-P!

Heh, I ain't afraid of looking up anything (legal) on the interwebz!

36 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:20:05pm

re: #25 SanFranciscoZionist

Is it possible that this is misprint for 'snuggle'?

I wish I could give more than one ding. Don't know entirely why but that's the best laugh I've had all day.

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:20:08pm

re: #32 deeezle

I thought sock puppets were frowned upon here?

There are a few officially sanctioned ones floating around.

38 Virginia Plain  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:20:29pm

re: #26 Cato the Elder

Do teabaggers ever get into snorkeling, just to break the routine?

The snorkeler Massa belongs with them anyway.

39 Digital Display  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:20:32pm

re: #32 deeezle

I thought sock puppets were frowned upon here?

He is not a sock.. He has a wicked sense of Humor

40 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:21:04pm

re: #33 Cato the Elder

You need clearance for UD? I think I may have just broken the law.

Well, if Reine could handle it, I figured I could as well.

41 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:21:33pm

re: #32 deeezle

I thought sock puppets were frowned upon here?

WTH?

Do you have a problem with my nick, too? Because I'm not, you know, really Cato, though I use his persona to crack wise on the idiots of the world.

I may have to introduce you to my friend Horatius.

42 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:22:11pm

re: #41 Cato the Elder

WTH?

Do you have a problem with my nick, too? Because I'm not, you know, really Cato, though I use his persona to crack wise on the idiots of the world.

I may have to introduce you to my friend Horatius.

Hacker Extraordinaire!

43 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:24:22pm
deeezle
(Logged in)
Registered since: Aug 20, 2009 at 11:24 am
No. of comments posted: 9
No. of links posted: 0

Something tells me Deeezle might be a sock himself.

44 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:24:23pm

re: #29 simoom

re: #8 iceweasel

re: #9 zora

re: #13 Varek Raith

re: #17 reine.de.tout

re: #20 Virginia Plain

Mhuahahaha -- corruption through reverse psychology ;-P!

yeah, go ahead and laugh your evil laugh!
When you least expect it - I'll get you back.
Now you can worry.
/

45 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:24:23pm

If healthcare reform is such a bad idea then why are its opponents so stupid?
Limbaugh Now Says He Won’t Move To Costa Rica — Will Just Go There To Use Its Public Health System

I was asked yesterday where will I go for health care if Obama’s health care passes, and I said if doctors here are not permitted to form private practice little clinics with individuals paying a fee, a retainer, and for services, then I’ll go to Costa Rica to get major medical health care. I didn’t say I would move there.

What is ironic about Limbaugh — who has ranted about the dangers of “socialized health care” for years — seeking health care in Costa Rica is that the country has a hybrid government-private health care system that provides comprehensive universal coverage to all of its residents. The government owns several major public hospitals and operates small clinics in almost every community. Workers are required to contribute 15% of their salaries to health insurance and the unemployed “obtain public funding for all health services, including prescription drugs.” Most Costa Ricans obtain their health care through a public plan called the Caja — similar to our Medicare or the proposed public option.

Costa Rica Healthcare
Socialism!

46 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:25:49pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

*Mails an iron and the letter "Y" to Rush*

47 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:26:14pm

re: #40 Stanley Sea

Well, if Reine could handle it, I figured I could as well.

Uh-oh.
I prolly should have said more than just "I went and looked".

48 deeezle  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:26:31pm

re: #43 Cato the Elder

Well I wear them during the workweek. Does that count? On the weekends I'm more of a sandal guy.

49 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:26:38pm

Perhaps Republicans pundits would have been wise to apply the 48 hour rule. Not that it matters. Throw shit at the wall, and even if it sticks it leaves a residue.

50 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:26:59pm

re: #49 cliffster

rather, even if it DOESN'T stick

51 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:27:08pm

re: #46 Varek Raith

*Mails an iron and the letter "Y" to Rush*

Send that same package to Palin for using Canadian healthcare.

52 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:27:13pm

limbaugh cracking racist Massa jokes

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]


oh how witty you are.

53 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:28:40pm

Teabaggers fighting tedium
Sometimes go snorkeling instead.
NTTAWWT.
But what became of good old "head"?

54 darthstar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:28:46pm

re: #43 Cato the Elder

Something tells me Deeezle might be a sock himself.

Could be a snorkle.

55 Digital Display  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:29:02pm

re: #43 Cato the Elder

Something tells me Deeezle might be a sock himself.

Where the heck did That's Mr. President to you go?
Great postings .. Wicked humor

56 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:29:31pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout


It's easy to see the dilemma healthcare reform opponents find themselves in. There is no country on planet earth which has decent medical care without government involvement. None.

57 researchok  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:30:09pm

How is it so many whackjob/pervs end up in Congress and how is it they believe this stuff won't catch up with them?

58 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:30:14pm

re: #55 HoosierHoops

Where the heck did That's Mr. President to you go?
Great postings .. Wicked humor

Yeah. And what about "I'mSmarterThanYou" or whatever her name was?

Fun times.

59 darthstar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:31:00pm

re: #57 researchok

How is it so many whackjob/pervs end up in Congress and how is it they believe this stuff won't catch up with them?

It's easier to get into congress than it is the priesthood.

60 researchok  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:31:46pm

re: #59 darthstar

It's easier to get into congress than it is the priesthood.

That's one sad story.

61 Gus  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:32:14pm

re: #52 SpaceJesus

limbaugh cracking racist Massa jokes

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

oh how witty you are.

Saw that yesterday. This morning I caught a video of him imitating someone with Parkinson's disease which was directed at Michael J. Fox. What an asshole. This was before he was invited to be the keynote speaker at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC). He's one of the biggest lowlifes of modern American culture.

62 ryannon  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:32:59pm

re: #28 Cato the Elder

Unfortunately, no. Snuggling is nice and can be non-sexual.

And in general, it doesn't involve straws up one's nose.

63 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:37:17pm

Epic feh.

64 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:37:45pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

It's easy to see the dilemma healthcare reform opponents find themselves in. There is no country on planet earth which has decent medical care without government involvement. None.

I would disagree.
I think this country has just great health care.
What we lack is health care insurance coverage (therefore, access to healthcare) for certain segments of the population.

65 Digital Display  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:37:50pm

re: #58 Cato the Elder

Yeah. And what about "I'mSmarterThanYou" or whatever her name was?

Fun times.

Damn..She was a very smart woman.. And was fun to tease..
Now Deeezel.. Posting once every 3 months doesn't give you Judgment powers here.. You're going to need to bring it to the table.. Who are you ( The Who) and what are you about?
Then you get some street Creed to trash another Lizard...That's Mr. Beck to you is a pretty cool poster...

66 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:37:56pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

If healthcare reform is such a bad idea then why are its opponents so stupid?
Limbaugh Now Says He Won’t Move To Costa Rica — Will Just Go There To Use Its Public Health System

Costa Rica Healthcare
Socialism!

I've seen that a couple times today and I'm a little confused about the uproar. The quote you posted says if Limbaugh can't have a private plan here he'll go to costa rica where he can have a private plan. What am I missing that makes this so funny?

67 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:38:59pm

I looked ("thanks" Gus 802). It IS worser than teabagging.

68 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:39:46pm

re: #57 researchok

How is it so many whackjob/pervs end up in Congress and how is it they believe this stuff won't catch up with them?

For one thing, there is no CAT (Congressional Aptitude Test). It's far harder to get into Bumwad College than Congress.

69 blueraven  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:41:16pm

re: #61 Gus 802

Saw that yesterday. This morning I caught a video of him imitating someone with Parkinson's disease which was directed at Michael J. Fox. What an asshole. This was before he was invited to be the keynote speaker at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC). He's one of the biggest lowlifes of modern American culture.

The fact that so many people worship at his feet is even more disturbing.

70 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:41:25pm

Of course, it should be said that plenty of men make unwanted sexual advances towards their subordinates. There's probably one or two in Congress. The fact that the subordinates were men probably should not be mocked.

71 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:41:34pm

re: #64 reine.de.tout

I would disagree.
I think this country has just great health care.
What we lack is health care insurance coverage (therefore, access to healthcare) for certain segments of the population.

Good point. It's cost that's the issue. However the point still stands, I can't think of a single modern country in which the government doesn't play a role in healthcare quality, cost and coverage.

72 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:42:57pm

re: #66 RogueOne

I've seen that a couple times today and I'm a little confused about the uproar. The quote you posted says if Limbaugh can't have a private plan here he'll go to costa rica where he can have a private plan. What am I missing that makes this so funny?

Umm...perhaps the fact that there is absolutely nothing in the reform proposals that would prevent you from having a private plan.

Have you tried Kool-Aid Anonymous? I hear they can help.

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:43:14pm

re: #67 Taqyia2Me

I looked ("thanks" Gus 802). It IS worser than teabagging.

If we're talking about the first definition at UD, I have to say I sort of doubt that many couples have actually DONE that.

Too complicated, not enough spice.

74 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:43:56pm

re: #66 RogueOne


What am I missing that makes this so funny?


I assume you're being intentionally obtuse but I'll explain it to you anyways. He's threatening to go to a country where the government has a larger role in healthcare than what the Dems are proposing. His hypothetical scenario about outlawing non-government owned facilities is stupid.

75 Gus  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:44:05pm

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

If we're talking about the first definition at UD, I have to say I sort of doubt that many couples have actually DONE that.

Too complicated, not enough spice.

Yeah, I would say so.

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:44:43pm

re: #66 RogueOne

I've seen that a couple times today and I'm a little confused about the uproar. The quote you posted says if Limbaugh can't have a private plan here he'll go to costa rica where he can have a private plan. What am I missing that makes this so funny?

1. There is nothing in any proposed HCR that will stop Limbaugh from having a private plan.

2. The quote seems to say that he wants to use Costa Rica's PUBLIC plan.

3. Costa Rica? Why Costa Rica?

77 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:44:48pm

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

If we're talking about the first definition at UD, I have to say I sort of doubt that many couples have actually DONE that.

Too complicated, not enough spice.

Oh heavens! I have to go back and look at MORE definitions?!?

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:45:27pm

re: #70 cliffster

Of course, it should be said that plenty of men make unwanted sexual advances towards their subordinates. There's probably one or two in Congress. The fact that the subordinates were men probably should not be mocked.

The fact that this guy appears to be a buffoon, on the other hand, probably should be mocked.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:46:26pm

re: #77 Taqyia2Me

Oh heavens! I have to go back and look at MORE definitions?!?

Don't bother. I think most of these sex acts at Urban Dictionary were made up by people who don't get much sex.

80 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:46:26pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

3. Costa Rica? Why Costa Rica?

A crack whore once showed genuine interest in him there without asking for money up front.

81 bratwurst  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:47:49pm

I like how Beck opened his show today by trying to distance himself from the mushroom cloud of stupid he unleashed upon the nation yesterday...as if he were WAY ABOVE discussion of tickle fights.

82 Digital Display  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:48:19pm

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

The fact that this guy appears to be a buffoon, on the other hand, probably should be mocked.

The opening shot on tonight's PTI on ESPN had everybody tickling the guys with red feathers in a tickle fight.. Massa has no idea what is coming down the pike for him..

83 deeezle  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:48:42pm

re: #65 HoosierHoops

re: #65 HoosierHoops

Now Deeezel.. Posting once every 3 months doesn't give you Judgment powers here.. You're going to need to bring it to the table.. Who are you ( The Who) and what are you about?
Then you get some street Creed to trash another Lizard...That's Mr. Beck to you is a pretty cool poster...

My apologies then, I didn't know there were exceptions to the rules.

And about the post count, thanks for the advice, I'll keep it in mind on my way to 21,000+.

84 ryannon  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:48:48pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

1. There is nothing in any proposed HCR that will stop Limbaugh from having a private plan.

2. The quote seems to say that he wants to use Costa Rica's PUBLIC plan.

3. Costa Rica? Why Costa Rica?

Because along with pushing gold, he's soon going to be flogging DeCarlo Lots in Costa Rica.

85 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:49:29pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Don't bother. I think most of these sex acts at Urban Dictionary were made up by people who don't get much sex.

You were right, I should not have gone back and looked!
*makes note to listen better to SFZ in future*

86 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:50:54pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Don't bother. I think most of these sex acts at Urban Dictionary were made up by people who don't get much sex.

That is a comforting thought. I'm going to believe that just for my own sanity.

87 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:51:37pm

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

The fact that this guy appears to be a buffoon, on the other hand, probably should be mocked.

The lack of thinking through his ploy for attention is pretty funny. Has he not been watching the way people dig up dirt on people these days? He is a politician, after all. So yeah, buffoon.

88 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:51:56pm

re: #83 deeezle

re: #65 HoosierHoops

My apologies then, I didn't know there were exceptions to the rules.

And about the post count, thanks for the advice, I'll keep it in mind on my way to 21,000+.

While you're at it you should try to grasp the meaning of the term "sock puppet".

89 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:53:16pm

One couldn't write a better story of the seedy underbelly of American politics. I am thoroughly entertained by this saga. Reminds me of the Clinton years in a lot of ways, only this is making otherwise good and decent readers at LGF look up "snorkel" on the Urban Dictionary.

90 researchok  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:53:45pm

re: #68 Cato the Elder

For one thing, there is no CAT (Congressional Aptitude Test). It's far harder to get into Bumwad College than Congress.

Term limits. That ought to attract a better class representative,

91 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:55:48pm

re: #63 Spare O'Lake

Epic feh.

I am soooo stealing that.

92 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:56:07pm

re: #65 HoosierHoops

Damn..She was a very smart woman.. And was fun to tease..
Now Deeezel.. Posting once every 3 months doesn't give you Judgment powers here.. You're going to need to bring it to the table.. Who are you ( The Who) and what are you about?
Then you get some street Creed to trash another Lizard...That's Mr. Beck to you is a pretty cool poster...

Just sent you an email, Hoops!

93 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:56:31pm

re: #90 researchok

Term limits. That ought to attract a better class representative,


OK, just for the sake of debate: what if your representative is a damn good one - honest, intelligent, and worthy of your vote every time - would you want him/her constrained by term limits, or do you think the culture in government is just way far off and corrupts even the most saintly among us?

94 Digital Display  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:56:46pm

re: #83 deeezle

re: #65 HoosierHoops

My apologies then, I didn't know there were exceptions to the rules.

And about the post count, thanks for the advice, I'll keep it in mind on my way to 21,000+.

I'm going to talk real slow for you...Try to keep up..
I told you That's Mr. Beck to you isn't a sock.. Nor an exception to the rule..He doesn't post as anyone else.. Thus not a sock ( Are you keeping up here?) You have posted here what? 3 times? I dunno.. don't be a little smart ass about what you know not of...
I am trying to clue you in Bro...
Now..Do you have anything fucking to say here besides snide comments about socks?
Cause your social skills suck so far...

95 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:57:39pm

[looks at Urban Dictionary]

That's what snorkel means? Well shoot. That makes me mad, it's ruined. Now I'm going to think of Massa whenever I.....

Uh...never mind..

96 researchok  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:57:44pm

re: #93 teleskiguy

OK, just for the sake of debate: what if your representative is a damn good one - honest, intelligent, and worthy of your vote every time - would you want him/her constrained by term limits, or do you think the culture in government is just way far off and corrupts even the most saintly among us?

The culture corrupts. Just look at the wheeling and dealing on health care, backroom deals, etc.

97 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:58:33pm

re: #95 Jadespring

[looks at Urban Dictionary]

That's what snorkel means? Well shoot. That makes me mad, it's ruined. Now I'm going to think of Massa whenever I...

Uh...never mind..

Glad I gave up skindiving.

98 Digital Display  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:59:16pm

re: #92 Cato the Elder

Just sent you an email, Hoops!

Got it!
Talk to you soon

99 Ericus58  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 3:59:32pm

I'd like to share something I heard on the way home from work today, from a show I listen to most days while leaving the dynamic demands that is my world for 10 hours most weekdays.

The show is The Writer's Almanac on NPR, each day just before 3 in the afternoon here. Enjoy.

Puttanesca
by Michael Heffernan

Before I gave up wondering why everything
was a lot of nothing worth losing or getting back,
I took out a jar of olives, a bottle of capers,
a container of leftover tomato sauce with onions,
put a generous portion of each in olive oil
just hot enough but not too hot,
along with some minced garlic and a whole can of anchovies,
until the mixture smelled like a streetwalker's sweat,
then emptied it onto a half pound of penne, beautifully al dente,
under a heap of grated pecorino romano
in a wide bowl sprinkled with fresh chopped parsley.
If you had been there, I would have given you half,
and asked you whether its heavenly bitterness
made you remember anything you had once loved.

100 teleskiguy  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:00:16pm

re: #65 HoosierHoops

That's Mr. Beck to you is a pretty cool poster...

That's Mr. Beck to you is a funny guy, for sure!

101 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:01:32pm

re: #99 Ericus58

He forgot the anchovies, though

102 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:02:14pm

re: #101 Guanxi88

He forgot the anchovies, though

(Gotta use two tins for a pound)

103 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:02:32pm

"Discrimination based on factors such as one’s sexual orientation or parental status violates the Equal Protection Clause of the United States Constitution."
Robert F. McDonnell, Governor (Va.)

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]


Interesting...

104 Ericus58  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:02:48pm

re: #101 Guanxi88

He forgot the anchovies, though

oh, those should be served with a dish that would give them their due...

105 torrentprime  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:03:01pm

Heavens! My first hat-tip.
*blushes*

And urbandictionary both clarifies and terrifies, to me at least, on a regular basis.

106 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:03:11pm

So, this massa fellow - sorta deranged, to say the least. An odd duck, a revoltingly odd duck.

107 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:03:23pm

Something really stinks in my frig and I can't find it.

Just thought I share.

108 Digital Display  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:03:43pm

re: #105 torrentprime

Heavens! My first hat-tip.
*blushes*

And urbandictionary both clarifies and terrifies, to me at least, on a regular basis.

Great job!

109 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:05:18pm

re: #107 Jadespring

Something really stinks in my frig and I can't find it.

Just thought I share.

Recall I had a coworker - he was hated like typhus - whose desk always stunk like death.

One of our colleagues used to come in after hours and cause a small piece of lunchmeat to adhere to the underside of his desk. He'd swap them out every so often, but generally just kept slapping them on and letting them dissolve into the wood.

110 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:06:08pm

re: #109 Guanxi88

Sounds like some Grumpy Old Men action

111 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:06:44pm

re: #107 Jadespring

That 'e' is kind of important to the word 'fridge'. It turns real different without it.

112 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:07:30pm

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

If we're talking about the first definition at UD, I have to say I sort of doubt that many couples have actually DONE that.

Too complicated, not enough spice.

The spice must flow.

113 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:08:00pm

re: #109 Guanxi88

Recall I had a coworker - he was hated like typhus - whose desk always stunk like death.

One of our colleagues used to come in after hours and cause a small piece of lunchmeat to adhere to the underside of his desk. He'd swap them out every so often, but generally just kept slapping them on and letting them dissolve into the wood.

Hmm maybe one of my dogs or cats has it in for me.

114 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:09:02pm

re: #113 Jadespring

Hmm maybe one of my dogs or cats has it in for me.

I know my oldest cat does. Thing keeps entangling herself round my feet when I'm on the stairs. That's not accidental, because cats aren't generally stupid, and she is by far the most intelligent cat I've ever been saddled with.

115 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:09:40pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

I assume you're being intentionally obtuse but I'll explain it to you anyways. He's threatening to go to a country where the government has a larger role in healthcare than what the Dems are proposing. His hypothetical scenario about outlawing non-government owned facilities is stupid.

No. He says if the Health care plan takes away his ability to see a private provider he'll go to a country that will and he can get that in Costa Rica. Right now Costa Rica has a medical system with more government involvement than ours, if that changes then he'll go there.

116 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:10:56pm

re: #113 Jadespring

Hmm maybe one of my dogs or cats has it in for me.

As for the dog, well, he and I are locked into this sort of co-dependent love/hate thing. He's vengeful, and exacts his wrath on the wife's carpet, yet he'd be dead inside of 30 minutes without me around.

117 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:11:24pm

re: #111 Obdicut

That 'e' is kind of important to the word 'fridge'. It turns real different without it.

O.O I just looked it up in the urban dictionary.

[turns beet red]

118 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:12:41pm

re: #101 Guanxi88

He forgot the anchovies, though

There are anchovies.

along with some minced garlic and a whole can of anchovies

119 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:13:14pm

re: #94 HoosierHoops

I'm going to talk real slow for you...Try to keep up..
I told you That's Mr. Beck to you isn't a sock.. Nor an exception to the rule..He doesn't post as anyone else.. Thus not a sock ( Are you keeping up here?) You have posted here what? 3 times? I dunno.. don't be a little smart ass about what you know not of...
I am trying to clue you in Bro...
Now..Do you have anything fucking to say here besides snide comments about socks?
Cause your social skills suck so far...

You do snark well.

120 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:13:21pm

Oh, great Caesar's ghost!

The billybobs and cyndilous over at the Borgmocrazee have posted an "About" page. ("first time visitor? get the scoop?").

Not quite four score and seven years ago Muman613 brought forth on this internet, a new blog, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great blog war, testing whether this blog, or any blog so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great internet battle-field of that war. We have dedicated a portion of the internet, as a final free resting place for those who here gave their former blogging identities that the concept of a free-blogging experience, without the insidious influence of a G-dless and oppressive rule, might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground. The brave men and women, bloggingly still living and dead, who struggled here and elsewhere, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what those banned elsewhere have done. It is for us the still blogging, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought on that other blog have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored banned we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the up their blogging personalities — that we here highly resolve that these banned shall not have been banned in vain — that this blog, under God, shall create a new birth of freedom — and that blog of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the internet.”

-WrathofG-d

(with some help from Abraham Lincoln)

Man kann nicht soviel essen, wie man kotzen möchte.

And by the way, geniuses, although you don't mention his name, what you're saying is "we owe everything to Charles".

121 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:13:47pm

re: #115 RogueOne

That's the kind of "logic" which drove me to the conclusion that the Dem healthcare plan is probably a good idea. The sad part is people like you will benefit from it.

122 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:13:50pm

re: #118 Stanley Sea

There are anchovies.

along with some minced garlic and a whole can of anchovies

Ya need two cans for a pound of pasta. No getting around it - he either forgot or skimped on the anchovies. I suggest it was intentional, the absence of the second can a poetic mimesis (and one to be tasted in the dish) of the absence of the beloved.

123 solomonpanting  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:14:48pm

There was this fellow name o' Massa
Whose decisions led to disasta
He strove to be blunt
With his buddies up front
And ended taking it
In the assa

124 Ericus58  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:17:21pm

Love the ebb and flow of the discussions here - but the requirements of work most day leave me 200 posts behind usually, so I read but not often reply or quote. To post for the most part would leave most everyone thinking "that was soo last hour man" or "Are we back to THAT again?!"

So when you see me on, and occasionally dinging - it's not to be a shadowy lurker. It's just the way it is. There are times I may disagree with a poster and downding with no follow-up. This is not to convey they are not deserving of a reply, rather that time is not my friend. My updings usually speak for me for those I agree with in point.

Just thought to let the Lizards know.

125 Kruk  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:17:28pm

re: #30 Gus 802

Urban Dictionary definition here.

Heh. Note to self. Urban dictionary is NSFW.

126 torrentprime  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:17:32pm

re: #115 RogueOne

No. He says if the Health care plan takes away his ability to see a private provider he'll go to a country that will and he can get that in Costa Rica.

So as soon as the thing no one is contemplating and hasn't put to paper has become law, he'll go somewhere where they do less of the hateful thing, but more than we do now. Got it.

127 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:17:58pm

re: #123 solomonpanting

There was this fellow name o' Massa
Whose decisions led to disasta
He strove to be blunt
With his buddies up front
And ended taking it
In the assa

Oh, just stop Massa baiting.

128 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:18:15pm

re: #115 RogueOne

No. He says if the Health care plan takes away his ability to see a private provider he'll go to a country that will and he can get that in Costa Rica. Right now Costa Rica has a medical system with more government involvement than ours, if that changes then he'll go there.

IF the congress out laws Unicorns, I'm going to a country where Unicorns are allowed.

Just sayin'.

129 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:19:24pm

re: #120 Cato the Elder

Muman started that thing? He was a piece of work.

130 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:19:46pm

re: #124 Ericus58

Meh, I know how you feel. I sit down to catch up and my kid barfs on the floor. I go to respond and my wife decides she wants sex. I'm like, what, no time for me???


Wait...there's sex?

131 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:20:42pm

re: #115 RogueOne

No. He says if the Health care plan takes away his ability to see a private provider he'll go to a country that will and he can get that in Costa Rica. Right now Costa Rica has a medical system with more government involvement than ours, if that changes then he'll go there.

The first part is true as of Tuesday's correction by Limbaugh. The second part about only going to Costa Rica if CR changes away from its government run system is something you just made up.

132 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:23:02pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

That's the kind of "logic" which drove me to the conclusion that the Dem healthcare plan is probably a good idea. The sad part is people like you will benefit from it.

No. See, I have a "cadillac" plan and I'm not in a union so not only are my rates going to go up becuase of the plan but I'm getting an extra bonus of an additional 40% tax put on it. YEAH!

133 Cathypop  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:23:10pm

After reading this the first thing that came to mind was get the pop-corn ready and enjoy. Then I realized that this could not have started when he was in the Navy. Who else has he done this to? And if children were involved he is so totally going to hell.

134 blueraven  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:24:10pm

re: #115 RogueOne

No. He says if the Health care plan takes away his ability to see a private provider he'll go to a country that will and he can get that in Costa Rica. Right now Costa Rica has a medical system with more government involvement than ours, if that changes then he'll go there.

Of course he is chasing strawmen with his whole outrageous outrage. There is nothing to prevent him or anyone from having private health insurance or private health providers. He is making wild claims and threats/promises? based on something that will not happen.

135 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:24:28pm

re: #126 torrentprime

So as soon as the thing no one is contemplating and hasn't put to paper has become law, he'll go somewhere where they do less of the hateful thing, but more than we do now. Got it.

You, and others, obviously have more faith in our elected officials. Am I unwilling to believe politicians will do what the can to rake in money and centralize power? Absolutely not.

136 Cathypop  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:26:08pm

re: #132 RogueOne

No. See, I have a "cadillac" plan and I'm not in a union so not only are my rates going to go up becuase of the plan but I'm getting an extra bonus of an additional 40% tax put on it. YEAH!

Yup! My boss has a "cadillac plan" and so do the other three employees of her company. Our company taxes suck big-time!

137 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:26:25pm

What Rush says doesn't mean shit, no matter what he means.

138 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:26:57pm

re: #132 RogueOne

No. See, I have a "cadillac" plan and I'm not in a union so not only are my rates going to go up becuase of the plan but I'm getting an extra bonus of an additional 40% tax put on it. YEAH!

What is a 'cadillac' plan?

139 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:28:39pm

I have no problem with Massa engaging in this type of behavior, but I do get sick and tired of people like him who don't have the enough personal pride to just be honest with the world.

But, I answer my own question. These are not honest people. These are people who will compromise themselves, for the sake of power and money. These are people who you really don't want in a chair of political responsibility, or even running your 7/11 franchise.

Considering that the total of politicians in this country is only a fraction of a percent, one wonders how our politic can be so heavily loaded with these sorts of problems.

Any wonder why our system attracts so many people like Massa?

140 Firstinla  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:29:07pm

I usually refer to UD to uncover the mysterious abbreviations I see on LGF and today mistakenly went looking for the definition of snorkle. I now have a post-it beside the computer to remind myself to use only the OED. If something is not in OED I probably don't need to know what it means. I definitely did not need additional definitions of "snorkle."

141 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:29:40pm

re: #129 wrenchwench

Muman started that thing? He was a piece of work.

Proof of the rule that every rule has an exception. Including "all men are created equal".

142 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:30:03pm

re: #138 Jadespring

What is a 'cadillac' plan?

The Google

143 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:30:10pm

An article on Rep Grayson's 4-page public option plan is still in the links.

144 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:30:32pm

re: #137 cliffster

What Rush says doesn't mean shit, no matter what he means.

You know something? I like you.

Hope that doesn't make you hate yourself. ;^)

145 Kruk  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:30:37pm

re: #134 blueraven

Of course he is chasing strawmen with his whole outrageous outrage. There is nothing to prevent him or anyone from having private health insurance or private health providers. He is making wild claims and threats/promises? based on something that will not happen.

Oh, come now. I'm sure we Liberals will manage to ban private coverage somehow. Just because we haven't succeeded in doing it countries such as the United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand with their single payer systems doesn't mean we can't do it in the US, which has no such nationwide system.

Or something

//

146 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:30:41pm

re: #138 Jadespring

The pricey plans. I think the base cost is roughly $20k a year in costs for both employee and company.

147 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:31:27pm

re: #146 RogueOne

The pricey plans. I think the base cost is roughly $20k a year in costs for both employee and company.

For a family plan.

148 blueraven  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:31:51pm

re: #132 RogueOne

No. See, I have a "cadillac" plan and I'm not in a union so not only are my rates going to go up becuase of the plan but I'm getting an extra bonus of an additional 40% tax put on it. YEAH!


Yes, well the presidents plan adjusted that little item. Under his plan all cadillac health plans will be treated the same...but you probably already knew that.

149 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:32:00pm

I have to run folks. The lady who pays for my cadillac plan is putting my food on the table. My life, and wife, kicks ass.

150 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:32:26pm

re: #146 RogueOne

The pricey plans. I think the base cost is roughly $20k a year in costs for both employee and company.

Okay thanks. Where does the 40% tax come in or from?

151 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:32:27pm

re: #148 blueraven

Yes, well the presidents plan adjusted that little item. Under his plan all cadillac health plans will be treated the same...but you probably already knew that.

They aren't passing the presidents plan if they go for reconciliation.

152 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:32:35pm

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

I have no problem with Massa engaging in this type of behavior, but I do get sick and tired of people like him who don't have the enough personal pride to just be honest with the world.

But, I answer my own question. These are not honest people. These are people who will compromise themselves, for the sake of power and money. These are people who you really don't want in a chair of political responsibility, or even running your 7/11 franchise.

Considering that the total of politicians in this country is only a fraction of a percent, one wonders how our politic can be so heavily loaded with these sorts of problems.

Any wonder why our system attracts so many people like Massa?

re: #68 Cato the Elder

For one thing, there is no CAT (Congressional Aptitude Test). It's far harder to get into Bumwad College than Congress.

See my #68. I was aiming for 69, but missed it by a pubic hair.

153 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:32:44pm

re: #148 blueraven

Yes, well the presidents plan adjusted that little item. Under his plan all cadillac health plans will be treated the same...but you probably already knew that.

...but I'm sure you already knew that.

154 torrentprime  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:32:45pm

re: #135 RogueOne

You, and others, obviously have more faith in our elected officials. Am I unwilling to believe politicians will do what the can to rake in money and centralize power? Absolutely not.

Are you willing to believe that legislation not signed, proposed, put to paper or even conceived of can somehow become law? Absolutely.

155 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:33:23pm

re: #149 RogueOne

I have to run folks. The lady who pays for my cadillac plan is putting my food on the table. My life, and wife, kicks ass.

That's a sweet deal. I have to feed mine. And clean up the barf.

156 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:33:32pm

re: #151 RogueOne

They aren't passing the presidents plan if they go for reconciliation.

We have more than one president?

157 Uninformed Opinion  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:34:15pm

re: #151 RogueOne

They aren't passing the presidents plan if they go for reconciliation.

Hopefully not.

158 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:34:29pm

re: #154 torrentprime

Are you willing to believe that legislation not signed, proposed, put to paper or even conceived of can somehow become law? Absolutely.

I really have to run but I'll be back later. And yes, I do believe in the theory of a slippery slope and no I don't doubt for a second if they thought they could get away with it they would. They can't now but we don't know what the future holds yet, do we.

159 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:34:30pm

re: #150 Jadespring

Okay thanks. Where does the 40% tax come in or from?

Never mind I see it in the link that was posted.

160 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:34:58pm

re: #140 Firstinla

I usually refer to UD to uncover the mysterious abbreviations I see on LGF and today mistakenly went looking for the definition of snorkle. I now have a post-it beside the computer to remind myself to use only the OED. If something is not in OED I probably don't need to know what it means. I definitely did not need additional definitions of "snorkle."

Look up "convent" in there--syn: "stews".

161 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:35:50pm

re: #158 RogueOne

"Slippery slope" is normally used to describe the logical fallacy of believing in the slippery slope.

It's not a 'theory'.

162 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:35:55pm

re: #150 Jadespring

Okay thanks. Where does the 40% tax come in or from?

re: #142 Jeff In Ohio

The Google

This article pretty much explains it.

163 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:35:56pm

re: #12 drcordell

Go look up your first name on UrbanDictionary and see what's posted. It's usually pretty funny.

Ok, I had to try it. Since many Lizardoids already know my first name, here they are:
Jimmy

1. Another word for dick (often confused with jimmy-hat meaning condom)


Ok, is there any English word; nay, any possible phonetic combination; that is not a euphemism for the sexual anatomy, male or female? I like this next one a lot better:

A highly attractive person. Someone who is caring, loving and will always be there for you. any girl would be lucky to be dating a jimmy. also very sexy and erotic. You'll easily fall in love with his personality.
"I wish i could find myself a jimmy, because all other guys are jerks"


I was probably the direct inspiration for this next one:

to fix something using some shrewd ingenuity
when the tv stopped working, rob said 'don't worry, i'm sure i can jimmy something up!'


Damn straight. If you can't fix it with a dremel tool and some duct tape, it's not worth fixing.

164 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:35:57pm

re: #144 Cato the Elder

You know something? I like you.

Hope that doesn't make you hate yourself. ;^)

Well, I already did. Nothing a few years of therapy won't fix though

165 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:37:46pm

re: #162 Stanley Sea

This article pretty much explains it.

Shhhhh, THe Google is part of the prog cabal!!

166 blueraven  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:38:28pm

re: #151 RogueOne

They aren't passing the presidents plan if they go for reconciliation.

Actually they will be. That is the fix that will be voted on.

167 Uninformed Opinion  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:39:12pm

re: #166 blueraven

Actually they will be. That is the fix that will be voted on.

Worst negotiators ever...

168 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:42:58pm

re: #163 Shiplord Kirel

Damn straight. If you can't fix it with a dremel tool and some duct tape, it's not worth fixing.

If you can fix it with duct tape, it ain't broken!

--Red Green

169 darthstar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:43:19pm

re: #166 blueraven

Actually they will be. That is the fix that will be voted on.

Not passing the bill and the reconciliation piece would be political suicide, and they know it. The GOP successfully managed to derail this for an entire year, and the Democrats are finally waking up to that fact...and yes, another 45000 Americans died, in part, due to this delay.

The Democrats' best hope for 2010 is to get HCR passed as soon as possible, including the reconciliation part, and then bring a nice piece of legislation everyone can agree on to the floor before August, like Immigration Reform. :)

170 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:44:57pm

re: #168 wrenchwench

If you can fix it with duct tape, it ain't broken!

--Red Green

Do not repair a muffler crack with duct tape, especially not near an overseas military installation, especially the week Desert Shield starts.

171 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:45:32pm

re: #170 Decatur Deb

Do not repair a muffler crack with duct tape, especially not near an overseas military installation, especially the week Desert Shield starts.

Weld it!

172 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:45:40pm

re: #169 darthstar

Not passing the bill and the reconciliation piece would be political suicide, and they know it. The GOP successfully managed to derail this for an entire year, and the Democrats are finally waking up to that fact...and yes, another 45000 Americans died, in part, due to this delay.

The Democrats' best hope for 2010 is to get HCR passed as soon as possible, including the reconciliation part, and then bring a nice piece of legislation everyone can agree on to the floor before August, like Immigration Reform. :)

Well.. they don't have to worry about that GOP obstructionist Massa anymore. Now, if they can do something about the GOP Stupak and his band of GOP hold outs... they may be able to buck the GOP obstructionism and pass this thing.

173 brookly red  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:45:54pm

re: #169 darthstar

Not passing the bill and the reconciliation piece would be political suicide, and they know it. The GOP successfully managed to derail this for an entire year, and the Democrats are finally waking up to that fact...and yes, another 45000 Americans died, in part, due to this delay.

The Democrats' best hope for 2010 is to get HCR passed as soon as possible, including the reconciliation part, and then bring a nice piece of legislation everyone can agree on to the floor before August, like Immigration Reform. :)

I think it is pretty much too late for either party to worry about political suicide...

174 brookly red  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:46:47pm

re: #170 Decatur Deb

Do not repair a muffler crack with duct tape, especially not near an overseas military installation, especially the week Desert Shield starts.

mirror on a stick huh?

175 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:47:13pm

re: #171 Varek Raith

Weld it!

Thought the ceramic-laden muffler bandage under the tape would insulate it and get me through the weekend--uh uh.

176 torrentprime  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:47:58pm

re: #169 darthstar

Not passing the bill and the reconciliation piece would be political suicide, and they know it. The GOP successfully managed to derail this for an entire year, and the Democrats are finally waking up to that fact...and yes, another 45000 Americans died, in part, due to this delay.

The Democrats' best hope for 2010 is to get HCR passed as soon as possible, including the reconciliation part, and then bring a nice piece of legislation everyone can agree on to the floor before August, like Immigration Reform. :)

Yes. I understand Ds in the south and swing districts are worried, but with so much air taken up by this debate over the past year, how on earth can the House go to their respective districts and say proudly, "We didn't do nothin'. Re-elect me!" I'm not saying some Ds won't lose their seats, but that was going to happen in a mid-term after two wave elections no matter what. Derailing your party's biggest legislative priority isn't any way to fight that.

177 Cathypop  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:48:26pm

re: #168 wrenchwench

If you can fix it with duct tape, it ain't broken!

--Red Green


My grand-sons are still afraid of duct tape.

178 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:48:35pm

re: #174 brookly red

mirror on a stick huh?

Never got that far. Freaked out allied neighbors called the Carabinieri.

179 brookly red  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:48:49pm

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

Well.. they don't have to worry about that GOP obstructionist Massa anymore. Now, if they can do something about the GOP Stupak and his band of GOP hold outs... they may be able to buck the GOP obstructionism and pass this thing.

you mean it's too late to blame Bush?

180 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:49:17pm

re: #177 Cathypop

My grand-sons are still afraid of duct tape.

Story?

181 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:49:23pm

re: #163 Shiplord Kirel

Damn straight. If you can't fix it with a dremel tool and some duct tape, it's not worth fixing.

Don't forget the WD-40.

Ooh-ooh, that smell. Perfumed petroleum!

Wrenchwench's fave?

182 torrentprime  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:49:52pm

re: #179 brookly red

you mean it's too late to blame Bush?

Never; his deficit will outlast him.
;)

183 darthstar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:49:59pm

re: #173 brookly red

I think it is pretty much too late for either party to worry about political suicide...

Yes, but some still try to find ways to shoot themselves in the foot.

Take John McCain, for instance.

Highlight of McCain's "imprison Americans" legislation

184 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:50:09pm

re: #179 brookly red

you mean it's too late to blame Bush?

I'm sorry... I did forget to include that meme. I will ammend my statement...

Well.. they don't have to worry about that GOP obstructionist Massa anymore. Now, if they can do something about the GOP Stupak and his band of GOP hold outs... and overcome any fallout left over from the Bush administration, they may be able to buck the GOP obstructionism and pass this thing.

185 brookly red  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:50:15pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

Thought the ceramic-laden muffler bandage under the tape would insulate it and get me through the weekend--uh uh.

you couldn't reconcile it later, huh?

186 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:50:27pm

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

Well.. they don't have to worry about that GOP obstructionist Massa anymore. Now, if they can do something about the GOP Stupak and his band of GOP hold outs... they may be able to buck the GOP obstructionism and pass this thing.

hahaha. I was noticing a tacit re-partying of certain individuals.

187 Kruk  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:51:25pm

re: #169 darthstar

Not passing the bill and the reconciliation piece would be political suicide, and they know it. The GOP successfully managed to derail this for an entire year, and the Democrats are finally waking up to that fact...and yes, another 45000 Americans died, in part, due to this delay.

The Democrats' best hope for 2010 is to get HCR passed as soon as possible, including the reconciliation part, and then bring a nice piece of legislation everyone can agree on to the floor before August, like Immigration Reform. :)

Yep. The Evil Liberal Conspiracy needs to get back on schedule, comrades.

1) Make people dependent on Government for healthcare.
2) Bring in millions of illegals to boost the Democratic Party vote
3) Enjoy a permanant majority granted by the sheeple while we destroy first America, and then the Free World.

//

188 Cathypop  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:51:31pm

re: #180 Decatur Deb

Story?


Told them that if they misbehaved at my house I would duct-tape them and hang them over the railing. Had their parents permission. Worked beautifuly. And my bumper sticker reads "silence is golden but duct tape is silver" From one of my grand-sons.

189 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:51:51pm

HOLY CRAP!!!

Free Republic has a string about the AF's new "flying assassin" drone (featured here a few days ago), but some of the Freepers are not enthusiastic at all:

AND PEOPLE WONDER WHY SOME OF US CONSERVATIVE FREAKS PROTEST THE TAKING OF THE GPS LOCATION OF EVERY CITIZENS HOME...... IN THE CENSUS OF 2010?

THAT GPS FEDERAL DATA BASE IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED.


Stay tuned

190 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:51:54pm

re: #185 brookly red

you couldn't reconcile it later, huh?

Took forever to get GMC Suburban parts. My truck was 20% CUCV when we left.

191 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:52:02pm

OT: Anybody here seen "Heat"? It's got Pacino and de Niro, a combo that usually delivers.

On the other hand, it's as long as "Avatar", and presumably lacks purple titties and dragons.

Advice?

192 brookly red  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:52:18pm

re: #183 darthstar

Yes, but some still try to find ways to shoot themselves in the foot.

Take John McCain, for instance.

Highlight of McCain's "imprison Americans" legislation

Duck season!
Rabbit season!
Duck season!
Incumbent season! Boom!

193 Ericus58  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:52:28pm

Watching this video was like a quick journey in the way-back machine to the mid 80's... getting with friends at Goldies on 45th for the Sunday Bacon Cheeseburger and cheesy fries while gaming.....wonder if it's why I have Lipitor...

194 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:52:58pm

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel

HOLY CRAP!!!

Free Republic has a string about the AF's new "flying assassin" drone (featured here a few days ago), but some of the Freepers are not enthusiastic at all:


Stay tuned

Lol, like they're important enough for a hit...
Idiots.

195 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:53:03pm

re: #191 Cato the Elder

It's awesome. Lots of man to man, testosterone-laden toughness.

196 brookly red  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:53:10pm

re: #181 Cato the Elder

Don't forget the WD-40.

Ooh-ooh, that smell. Perfumed petroleum!

Wrenchwench's fave?

it is actually fish oil... hence non-toxic.

197 Girth  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:53:48pm

re: #191 Cato the Elder

OT: Anybody here seen "Heat"? It's got Pacino and de Niro, a combo that usually delivers.

On the other hand, it's as long as "Avatar", and presumably lacks purple titties and dragons.

Advice?

Solid crime flick.

198 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:53:57pm

re: #183 darthstar

Yes, but some still try to find ways to shoot themselves in the foot.

Take John McCain, for instance.

Highlight of McCain's "imprison Americans" legislation

Takes the "have you lost your mind Sir" cake.

199 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:54:05pm

re: #190 Decatur Deb

Took forever to get GMC Suburban parts. My truck was 20% CUCV when we left.

One good thing about having an older car is, if you get in an accident, most of the parts have to come from junkyards. Or, as they're now known, automotive recycling centers.

Saves big bucks over new parts.

200 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:54:43pm

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel

Oh god. Freeps, please don't try to 'destroy' it yourself. You're going to fuck up and blow up the computer that controls Army payroll or something.

201 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:54:58pm

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel

HOLY CRAP!!!

Free Republic has a string about the AF's new "flying assassin" drone (featured here a few days ago), but some of the Freepers are not enthusiastic at all:


Stay tuned

LOL And then another poster likely freaks this guy out even more.

"I hate to tell you this but the military has a database that the census does not feed and can target your couch if they so wanted. The entire planet has been mapped to 1 meter resolution or less. If they wanted to hit your house they can it right now. Give them 3 minutes and your front, back, or doggie door can be targeted."

202 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:55:13pm

re: #195 cliffster

It's awesome. Lots of man to man, testosterone-laden toughness.

Any tickling?

203 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:55:21pm

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel

HOLY CRAP!!!

Free Republic has a string about the AF's new "flying assassin" drone (featured here a few days ago), but some of the Freepers are not enthusiastic at all:


Stay tuned

Behold the new Paulified Republican base.

204 Uninformed Opinion  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:55:27pm

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel

HOLY CRAP!!!

Free Republic has a string about the AF's new "flying assassin" drone (featured here a few days ago), but some of the Freepers are not enthusiastic at all:


Stay tuned

How can you not be excited about that? Its pretty cool!

205 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:55:43pm

re: #196 brookly red

it is actually fish oil... hence non-toxic.

Seriously? I may start adding it to my diet.

206 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:55:58pm

re: #191 Cato the Elder

OT: Anybody here seen "Heat"? It's got Pacino and de Niro, a combo that usually delivers.

On the other hand, it's as long as "Avatar", and presumably lacks purple titties and dragons.

Advice?

I'd suggest skip it. I thought it sucked.

207 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:56:02pm

re: #191 Cato the Elder

OT: Anybody here seen "Heat"? It's got Pacino and de Niro, a combo that usually delivers.

On the other hand, it's as long as "Avatar", and presumably lacks purple titties and dragons.

Advice?

I thought it was great. Watch it.

208 darthstar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:56:23pm

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel

HOLY CRAP!!!

Free Republic has a string about the AF's new "flying assassin" drone (featured here a few days ago), but some of the Freepers are not enthusiastic at all:


Stay tuned

Well, at least they're not afraid of black helicopters anymore.

209 Kruk  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:56:39pm

re: #194 Varek Raith

Lol, like they're important enough for a hit...
Idiots.

In their minds, they're the Rebel Alliance, Tok'Ra and Marquis all rolled into one.

210 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:56:41pm

re: #201 Jadespring

I'm sorry, but give the military three minutes and that's barely enough time for the colonel to tell the major to tell the lieutenant to find a sergeant who knows how this thing works.

211 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:57:06pm

re: #201 Jadespring

Bless him.

212 ryannon  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:57:17pm

re: #191 Cato the Elder

OT: Anybody here seen "Heat"? It's got Pacino and de Niro, a combo that usually delivers.

On the other hand, it's as long as "Avatar", and presumably lacks purple titties and dragons.

Advice?

Swap it for "Casino" - if you haven't seen it yet.

213 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:58:44pm

re: #204 Uninformed Opinion

How can you not be excited about that? Its pretty cool!

Operational Test Range: Topless beaches worldwide.

214 brookly red  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:59:15pm

re: #205 Cato the Elder

Seriously? I may start adding it to my diet.

(looks at can) well there petroleum distillates after all... my bad. don't eat it...

/crap... I read it on the internet & figured it was true.

215 darthstar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:59:16pm

re: #191 Cato the Elder

OT: Anybody here seen "Heat"? It's got Pacino and de Niro, a combo that usually delivers.

On the other hand, it's as long as "Avatar", and presumably lacks purple titties and dragons.

Advice?

I liked Heat, but I agree that Casino is a better movie. Heat is more of an extended "Poncho & Lefty"

216 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 4:59:17pm

re: #212 ryannon

Swap it for "Casino" - if you haven't seen it yet.

...or Goodfellas. Both are worth rewatching several times.

217 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:00:32pm

OK, movie time. Four-to-one in favor of "Heat".

One thought before I go: does anyone think Jim Croce would have gone platinum with a line like "meaner than an automotive-recycling-center dog"?

218 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:01:15pm

This may have already been said, but:

Should we just create another language? This one has so many double entendres that you can't read a shopping list without sounding like a pervert.

219 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:01:22pm

re: #201 Jadespring

LOL And then another poster likely freaks this guy out even more.

"I hate to tell you this but the military has a database that the census does not feed and can target your couch if they so wanted. The entire planet has been mapped to 1 meter resolution or less. If they wanted to hit your house they can it right now. Give them 3 minutes and your front, back, or doggie door can be targeted."

That is so stupid. So the military has a database that has "Joe Conservative" "Couch" "13 24.12 w" "1 11.32 n"

Bullshit.

220 Girth  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:01:29pm

re: #216 Killgore Trout

...or Goodfellas. Both are worth rewatching several times.

Once Upon a Time in America

Almost 4 hours of Sergio Leone directed de Niro goodness...

221 brookly red  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:01:54pm

re: #214 brookly red

(looks at can) well there petroleum distillates after all... my bad. don't eat it...

/crap... I read it on the internet & figured it was true.

Cato are you there?... oh crap!

222 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:02:04pm

Heh. Not bad.

[Link: beck.cnnbcvideo.com...]

223 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:02:17pm

re: #217 Cato the Elder

OK, movie time. Four-to-one in favor of "Heat".

One thought before I go: does anyone think Jim Croce would have gone platinum with a line like "meaner than an automotive-recycling-center dog"?

I've tried and failed to find the Farside about the poodle courted by the dog from "the security division of an auto-recycling firm".

224 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:02:44pm

re: #181 Cato the Elder

Don't forget the WD-40.

Ooh-ooh, that smell. Perfumed petroleum!

Wrenchwench's fave?

It's actually a cleaner and not a lubricant. Heard that from an employee of theirs. My favorite: Boeshield.

225 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:02:50pm

Fans of Gangster movies should also watch City of God

If you don't mind subtitles it's an excellent and brutal movie on par with Goodfellas (IMHO)

226 Kruk  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:03:09pm

re: #210 Obdicut

I'm sorry, but give the military three minutes and that's barely enough time for the colonel to tell the major to tell the lieutenant to find a sergeant who knows how this thing works.

Always listen to the Sergeant:

[Link: usmilitary.about.com...]

227 brookly red  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:04:02pm

funny e-mail I just got...


Heaviest Element Yet Known to Science Discovered

Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California has now
identified with certainty the heaviest element known to science.

The new element, Pelosium (PL), has one neutron, 25 assistant
neutrons, 88 deputy neutrons, and 198 assistant deputy neutrons, giving
it an atomic mass of 312.

These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which
are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.

Pelosium is inert, and has no charge and no magnetism.
Nevertheless, it can be detected because it impedes every reaction with
which it comes into contact. A tiny amount of Pelosium can cause a
reaction that would normally take less than a second, to take from 4
days to 4 years to complete.

Pelosium has a normal half-life of 2 years. It does not decay, but
instead undergoes a biennial reorganization in which a portion of the
assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places.

Pelosium mass will increase over time, since each reorganization
will promote many morons to become isodopes.

This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to
believe that Pelosium is formed whenever morons reach a critical
concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as critical
morass.

When catalyzed with money, Pelosium becomes Senatorium, an element
that radiates just as much energy as Pelosium since it has half as many
peons but twice as many morons.

228 avanti  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:04:04pm

re: #219 Walter L. Newton

That is so stupid. So the military has a database that has "Joe Conservative" "Couch" "13 24.12 w" "1 11.32 n"

Bullshit.

I think the point is that a quick visit to Google earth will provide the GPS location of any home if it becomes black helicopter time.

229 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:04:33pm

re: #219 Walter L. Newton

That is so stupid. So the military has a database that has "Joe Conservative" "Couch" "13 24.12 w" "1 11.32 n"

Bullshit.

Well consider the source. :D

230 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:04:45pm

re: #227 brookly red

Dear god, is that old chestnut still being emailed around?

It just changes the names every administration.

231 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:04:46pm

re: #222 Obdicut

Heh. Not bad.

[Link: beck.cnnbcvideo.com...]

The Crying Baby-Man!

232 brookly red  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:05:41pm

re: #230 Obdicut

Dear god, is that old chestnut still being emailed around?

It just changes the names every administration.

classics never go out of style.

233 Ericus58  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:06:22pm

re: #226 Kruk

Always listen to the Sergeant:

[Link: usmilitary.about.com...]

Heh, I'll have to pass that on to my son - destined to be a "Butter Bar" in a year.

234 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:06:23pm

re: #232 brookly red

You tell that dead horse that, as you administer yet another thwack.

235 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:06:41pm

re: #223 Decatur Deb

I've tried and failed to find the Farside about the poodle courted by the dog from "the security division of an auto-recycling firm".

ATTENTION DOG-LOVING LIZARDS:

Help save Rocky the stray dog from Afghanistan, who along with another mutt saved our guys from a suicide murderer.

236 brookly red  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:07:44pm

re: #234 Obdicut

You tell that dead horse that, as you administer yet another thwack.

awww your partisanship has spoiled your sense of humor... lighten up.

237 zora  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:10:26pm

if john mccain would go on beck's show,they could hit rock bottom together and be done with it.

238 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:10:48pm

re: #171 Varek Raith

Weld it!

JB Weld, the finest epoxy repair known to man. Engine blocks to tabletops.

239 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:11:04pm

re: #215 darthstar

I liked Heat, but I agree that Casino is a better movie. Heat is more of an extended "Poncho & Lefty"

[Video]

Great song, but give us the original auteur, please.

RIP, Townes.

240 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:11:08pm

re: #115 RogueOne

No. He says if the Health care plan takes away his ability to see a private provider he'll go to a country that will and he can get that in Costa Rica. Right now Costa Rica has a medical system with more government involvement than ours, if that changes then he'll go there.

It irritates me for him to say that when there is NO CHANCE, not even a TINY chance that he is going to lose his ability to see private provider.

It's like my responding to the Stupak wording by saying "Well, if I can't get a legal abortion in the United States, I'll go to Costa Rica." Fine, except that that's not being proposed. And if I had an audience like Rush's, many people would assume that was being proposed.

241 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:11:54pm

A little bit o' snorkeling might have been what Larry "Wide-Stance" Craig was after.

Or, it could be a description of the sound that... oh, just forget it.

242 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:12:39pm

re: #238 Guanxi88

JB Weld, the finest epoxy repair known to man. Engine blocks to tabletops.

Use J-B WELD for:
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* hot & cold pipes
* appliances
* tools
* toys, hobbies & crafts
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* lighting fixtures
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* ceramic tile
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AUTOS, MOTORCYCLES, MECHANICAL

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* hot & cold pipes
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AIRCRAFT

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* repair motors & props

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* porcelain & ceramic fixtures
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SHEET METAL

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PUBLIC UTILITIES

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AGRICULTURAL

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* engines
* trailers
* deck gear
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* propellers & screws
* anchors
* masts
* hot & cold pipes
* holding tanks
* rivets, bolts, & dowels
* surf boards, jet skis, & windsurfers

243 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:13:06pm

Oops Bones is on. Back later.

244 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:13:30pm

re: #235 Cato the Elder

SPCA is for real, but only a few specific hero dogs should be moved. (That works best when some Army Warrant Officer knows some USAF loadmaster.) Our pounds here are flooded with pets, some given up by soldiers form the local post going to SWA.

245 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:13:49pm
246 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:14:00pm

re: #242 Guanxi88

Hmmm, will it hold under high temps...say, for example, on my super laser's reactor housing?

247 avanti  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:14:07pm

re: #231 Varek Raith

The Crying Baby-Man!

It's brilliant if you use the facebook sign in, but than the lefties may add you to their database.

248 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:14:52pm

re: #245 Charles

Dear Lord and Jesus, Charles Johnson is linking to frikkin Rachel Maddow now. RACHEL MADDOW PEOPLE!

Ahhh! Ahhh! RACHEL FREAKING MADDOW! [run around screaming]

Hah!

Who is this guy???

249 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:15:37pm

re: #242 Guanxi88

Use J-B WELD for:
YOUR HOME

* hot & cold pipes
* appliances
* tools
* toys, hobbies & crafts
* guns
* lighting fixtures
* bikes
* lawnmowers
* fences
* furniture
* luggage
* sporting goods
* ceramic tile
* water & fuel cans, tanks, and tubs

AUTOS, MOTORCYCLES, MECHANICAL

* fuel tanks
* radiators
* cracked engine blocks
* transmission & rear-end casings
* cylinder heads & sleeves
* generators, starters, water & fuel pumps
* axles & hubs
* valve guides
* press fit bearings
* crankshaft pulleys
* casting defects
* door stops
* key ways
* stripped threads
* body shop repairs

BOAT & MARINE

* steel, aluminum, & fiberglass boat hulls
* trailers
* deck gear
* galley equipment
* pipes
* motors & propellors
* fishign equipment

PLUMBING

* metal & PVC pipe
* ceramic appliances
* hardware

Use J-B KWIK for:

* hobbies & crafts
* hot & cold pipes
* furnaces
* hot water heaters
* disposals
* toilets
* appliances
Use INDUSTRO WELD for:
FACTORIES & FOUNDRIES

* plant equipment & tools
* casting defects
* altering or repairing patterns

AIRCRAFT

* smoothing wing & fuselage surfaces
* sealing windshields & windows

CONSTRUCTION

* anchor bolts & screws
* settling tile
* pipe, conduit, electrical components
* tools & equipment

MARINE

* mend steel, aluminum, fiberglass, & wooden hulls
* repair motors & props

PETROLEUM

* castings, valves, & pipe
* bonding metal components

MAINTENANCE

* patching concrete
* porcelain & ceramic fixtures
* tools & equipment
* signs & fixtures

SHEET METAL

* ducts & tanks
* bonding components

PUBLIC UTILITIES

* bonding ceramics & metal
* electrical parts

AGRICULTURAL

* machinery
* tractor axles & hubs
* tools
* hydraulic systems
* water & fuel tanks

Use WATER WELD for:

* gas tanks
* water & fuel cans
* oil pans
* thread locking
* metal & plastic pipes
* ruptured radiators
* swimming pools & spas
* gutters & downspouts
* heating & A/C coils
* auto body repairs

Use MARINE WELD for:

* steel, aluminum, fiberglass, & wood hull repairs
* engines
* trailers
* deck gear
* winches & pulleys
* propellers & screws
* anchors
* masts
* hot & cold pipes
* holding tanks
* rivets, bolts, & dowels
* surf boards, jet skis, & windsurfers

What about cracked brains?

250 Aye Pod  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:15:46pm

re: #26 Cato the Elder

Do teabaggers ever get into snorkeling, just to break the routine?

I can just imagine the signs : "Snorkle Obama before he snorkles you!"

251 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:15:52pm

re: #246 Varek Raith

Hmmm, will it hold under high temps...say, for example, on my super laser's reactor housing?

Absolutely, man! Hell - you remember the Voyager probe, right?

Mostly JB Weld.

the MIR spacestation - after water and oxygen, the next most common supply on those shuttles was JB Weld. Had to crash the damned thing in the atmosphere just to break the bond when Yuri cold-welded the remote to the space-toilet.

252 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:15:56pm

re: #209 Kruk

In their minds, they're the Rebel Alliance, Tok'Ra and Marquis all rolled into one.

Maquis.

253 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:16:31pm

re: #249 Cato the Elder

Not sure, but I don't doubt it'd come in hand in cranial surgery.

254 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:16:55pm

re: #194 Varek Raith

Lol, like they're important enough for a hit...
Idiots.

"We have clearance. Take out the guy with the rifle collection in Northwestern PA! You know who I'm talking about!"

255 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:17:02pm

re: #238 Guanxi88

JB Weld, the finest epoxy repair known to man. Engine blocks to tabletops.

True 'dat. I patched a gas tank interior seven years ago--still good.

256 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:18:53pm

re: #242 Guanxi88

Hope you are getting a cut!

257 zora  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:19:22pm

re: #231 Varek Raith

one of the "news" items on the page says
Report: Celestial Seasonings Funneled $4.8 Billion To Tea Party Movement

ha!

258 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:19:34pm

JB Weld fixed our bounce around. Otherwise we would have lost it the first time we tried to use it.

259 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:19:41pm

RACHEL FRIKKIN MADDOW PEOPLE!!!

260 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:20:15pm

re: #245 Charles

Dear Lord and Jesus, Charles Johnson is linking to frikkin Rachel Maddow now. RACHEL MADDOW PEOPLE!

Ahhh! Ahhh! RACHEL FREAKING MADDOW! [run around screaming]

Well, Charles, I know you don't get out much, so maybe you don't realize that she likes grrrlz and is therefore beyond the pale.

Wait, what?

Some people surely are born gay.
Others choose to swing that way.
But no man or woman's born a bigot;
For that you must turn on the spigot.

Copyright 2010 Cato the Elder

Please don't anyone tell me what "turn on the spigot" means on Urban Dictionary...

261 Aye Pod  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:20:37pm
Limbaugh, Palin, health care and snow machines

One of the few things I once admired about American conservatives is that, on the whole, they were less likely than liberals to threaten to leave the country if things don’t go their way politically.

No more, it seems.

King Conservative himself, Rush Limbaugh, suggested he will depart these shores if the Democrats’ version of health care reform is enacted into law.

Responding to a caller [to his radio show] who asked him where he would go for health care if Congress enacts reform, Limbaugh replied,

“I don’t know. I’ll just tell you this, if this passes and it’s five years from now and all that stuff gets implemented — I am leaving the country. I’ll go to Costa Rica.”

Yet another incentive to get the plan through Congress.

But Costa Rica?

Costa Rica has universal health care, one of the best health systems in Latin America. As always with nationalized health care, expect red tape and long waits, but the quality of Costa Rica’s health care is excellent. Private health care is also available, very affordable, and high quality. Many doctors speak English and have received training in Europe, Canada, or the U.S. There are three large, private hospitals that most expatriates use: CIMA hospital in Escazú, Clinica Biblica in San José, and Clinica Católica in San José-Guadalupe.

Statistics from the World Health Organization frequently place Costa Rica in the top country rankings in the world for long life expectancy, often even ahead of Great Britain and the United States, even though the per-capita income of Costa Ricans is about one-tenth that of the U.S. and the U.K.

Looks like the joke’s on you, Rush. In fact I doubt there’s a single country outside the US with completely free-market health care where you would care to live.

continued -

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

262 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:20:58pm

Oh, right. We're supposed to be freaking out.


ZOMG MADDOW!11!!!!111~~~*head asplodes*

263 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:21:31pm

re: #107 Jadespring

Something really stinks in my frig and I can't find it.

Just thought I share.

Look under the drawers at the bottom.

Science experiment!

Good evening, all. Squall moved through earlier today (not too severe here, though it threw Twisters!! up in Arkysaw) and then it got Tarheel blue and warmed up to 76 gorgeous degrees.

SXSW starts tomorrow and the zoo comes to Austin.

And we just back from Uchi, so my tummy is full of yummy Fish.

{{sigh}}

Life is good.

264 brookly red  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:21:48pm

re: #260 Cato the Elder

Please don't anyone tell me what "turn on the spigot" means on Urban Dictionary...

/no one has used the word spigot in like 30 years...

265 freetoken  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:21:52pm

re: #262 Varek Raith

MADDOW HAS COOTIES!

266 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:21:52pm

re: #238 Guanxi88

JB Weld, the finest epoxy repair known to man. Engine blocks to tabletops.

Am I the only one who thinks that stuff, especially when the two components are mixed, smells bad enough to knock a buzzard off a shitwagon?

Nevertheless, I also endorse this product as the trusty duct tape of the chemical age.

267 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:22:40pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

SPCA is for real, but only a few specific hero dogs should be moved. (That works best when some Army Warrant Officer knows some USAF loadmaster.) Our pounds here are flooded with pets, some given up by soldiers form the local post going to SWA.

I'm sorry, but I can't agree. Leave no hero dog behind!

268 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:22:58pm

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel

C'mon, get serious here. We (us Libtards) recognized the Bush era Black Helicopters were to fucking noisy. All the facisticly comrades heard them coming. So what to do, what to do. Obviously, if your going to be killing Smarty Pants, Tea Bagging, Snorkel Snuggling Patriots, your not going to be able to get at them with a helicopter, they are just to clever, so of course, an assassination drone is the way to go.

I'm not sure how these fine folks did not see this coming in '08.

And I would also like to point out there are two asses in assassination. What's up with that?

269 brookly red  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:23:29pm

re: #266 negativ

Am I the only one who thinks that stuff, especially when the two components are mixed, smells bad enough to knock a buzzard off a shitwagon?

Nevertheless, I also endorse this product as the trusty duct tape of the chemical age.

dude you are not supposed to sniff epoxy...

270 Ericus58  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:23:30pm

Happy hour!!

[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com...]

And for those who can make it, plan now for the Fremont Oktoberfest - always great weather and beer!
[Link: www.fremontoktoberfest.com...]

271 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:23:44pm

Check out McDonnell's U Turn

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

But guess what? McDonnell just issued a statement, with less force than his executive order, that backtracks on his previous position. Money quote:

Discrimination based on factors such as one’s sexual orientation or parental status violates the Equal Protection Clause of the United States Constitution.

That's an amazing statement. It essentially states that gay people have a federal constitutional right to marry! The times they are a changing.

272 freetoken  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:23:53pm

Just noticed by karma went past 10,000.... either I'm posting more or people are starting to like me.

273 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:24:21pm

re: #264 brookly red

/no one has used the word spigot in like 30 years...

It refers to two different parts in my Land Rover repair manual. (1973, Never Mind.)

274 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:24:45pm

re: #271 Thanos

Check out McDonnell's U Turn

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

Good for him...still won't vote for him..
;)

275 Digital Display  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:24:51pm

re: #272 freetoken

Just noticed by karma went past 10,000... either I'm posting more or people are starting to like me.

We love you bro..
Keep bringing it

276 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:25:07pm

Massa, another disgusting politician, probably elected from a gerrymandered district full of semi-conscious voters.

Feh, we elected all f those bozos, the problem is us, on average.

277 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:25:16pm

re: #245 Charles

Dear Lord and Jesus, Charles Johnson is linking to frikkin Rachel Maddow now. RACHEL MADDOW PEOPLE!

Now THAT is a substantive argument if ever I've heard one. This completely disrupts my perception of life, the universe, and everything - even to the point where I'm not sure if the answer really is "42" anymore.

278 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:25:53pm

re: #277 negativ

Now THAT is a substantive argument if ever I've heard one. This completely disrupts my perception of life, the universe, and everything - even to the point where I'm not sure if the answer really is "42" anymore.

It was 42 in the old economy. Now it's 37.

279 Ericus58  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:25:53pm

re: #267 Cato the Elder

I'm sorry, but I can't agree. Leave no hero dog behind!

[Link: www.nationalwardogsmonument.org...]

280 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:25:59pm

re: #261 Jimmah

You know what's interesting...if the demagogue has a heart attack, he'll have to get his Lear over to CR quick.

281 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:26:35pm

re: #245 Charles

Dear Lord and Jesus, Charles Johnson is linking to frikkin Rachel Maddow now. RACHEL MADDOW PEOPLE!

Ahhh! Ahhh! RACHEL FREAKING MADDOW! [run around screaming]

Dear Adrian,

I DON'T FUCKING CARE.

God.

282 freetoken  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:26:50pm

re: #275 HoosierHoops

Thanks. I remember when I started posting here, I wasn't so welcome by many, IIRC.

283 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:27:06pm

re: #267 Cato the Elder

Agree on hero dogs--don't see the sense in a general Poochlift. I worked with little US detachments in Greece and Turkey. They all had "Det Dogs" that stayed through a lot of rotations. One was named "Amstel" for some reason.

284 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:28:15pm

re: #283 Decatur Deb

Because, if you called him, you would say, "Am still here" ?

285 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:28:24pm

So I guess reconciliation is back on now, which means...

MADDOW! RACHEL FRIKKIN MADDOW PEOPLE!!!

286 zora  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:28:28pm

i appreciate rachel maddow on tv at a time where most of the women on the news are "news models" or at least pretend to be. and that does not apply only to fox, they are just to best at it. now that i think, half of the men on cnn also qualify as "news models". imo

287 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:28:31pm

re: #281 Jeff In Ohio

Dear Adrian,

I DON'T FUCKING CARE.

God.

Really, if a god existed, we would've driven them absolutely bonkers with our pettiness.
:shrugs:

288 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:28:53pm

re: #272 freetoken

Just noticed by karma went past 10,000... either I'm posting more or people are starting to like me.

Your Avitar is like honey to the noob (copywrite albusteve) bees.

Oh and you post smart things.

289 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:29:45pm

re: #286 zora

An industry term for news announcers is "meat puppets."

BBL

290 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:30:18pm

re: #285 Charles

So I guess reconciliation is back on now, which means...

MADDOW! RACHEL FRIKKIN MADDOW PEOPLE!!!

Rotating title, perhaps?

291 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:30:48pm

re: #265 freetoken

MADDOW HAS COOTIES!

I remember when I was working offshore in the Gulf, one of the roustabouts was complaining in the galley that this new AIDS thing was God's revenge homosexulz.

I noted that that was an interesting comment, given that lesbians had a lower incidence of AIDS than Southern Baptists. Everyone turned and looked at me. I smiled sweetly and said "True fact!"

I rotated off that rig before the drill crew did, or I swear to Baby Jeebuz I would have gotten my ass kicked back in the world.

292 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:31:25pm

The circle is complete. Now showing up at Richard Metzger's site, the most obsessed stalker of them all, "Gordon."

[Link: www.dangerousminds.net...]

RACHEL! FRIKKIN! MADDOW! PEOPLE!

293 Digital Display  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:31:28pm

re: #282 freetoken

Thanks. I remember when I started posting here, I wasn't so welcome by many, IIRC.

It's nice having studs that will stand up and take the shit..
You have stood on your principles...You have many lizards respect here..
I look forward to thousands of posts by you in the future..
Don't you ever stand down my friend...
Regards

294 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:31:48pm

re: #288 Stanley Sea

2 bad misspellings. :(

295 The Left  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:32:05pm

re: #290 Varek Raith

Rotating title, perhaps?

MADDOW! RACHEL FRICKIN MADDOW! WITH A FRICKIN LASER BEAM ON HER FOREHEAD, PEOPLE!

296 Aye Pod  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:32:22pm

re: #275 HoosierHoops

We love you bro..
Keep bringing it

Seconded.

297 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:33:51pm

re: #272 freetoken

Just noticed by karma went past 10,000... either I'm posting more or people are starting to like me.

Sanity, sanity, all updings are for sanity.

You're one of the good guys.

298 Racer X  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:34:07pm
299 freetoken  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:35:11pm

re: #293 HoosierHoops

Thanks.

300 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:35:35pm

re: #280 Stanley Sea

You know what's interesting...if the demagogue has a heart attack, he'll have to get his Lear over to CR quick.

No, he'll go to the nearest hospital like a sensible man.

301 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:36:19pm

re: #292 Charles

The circle is complete. Now showing up at Richard Metzger's site, the most obsessed stalker of them all, "Gordon."

[Link: www.dangerousminds.net...]

RACHEL! FRIKKIN! MADDOW! PEOPLE!

ZOMFG! Is he still breathing?

I thought he asphyxiated himself back in the day with hyperventilating the word "laughingstock" every time you posted something about Islamofascists. Sometimes he would used it a score of times in one comment.

302 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:36:30pm

re: #292 Charles

The circle is complete. Now showing up at Richard Metzger's site, the most obsessed stalker of them all, "Gordon."

[Link: www.dangerousminds.net...]

RACHEL! FRIKKIN! MADDOW! PEOPLE!

The Nodrog!!

((For you newbies who don't know the history, a former poster here who had the most powerful OCD syndrome I have ever seen in a blog. he was a "liberal" piece of work.))

303 The Left  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:38:25pm

re: #302 austin_blue

The Nodrog!!

((For you newbies who don't know the history, a former poster here who had the most powerful OCD syndrome I have ever seen in a blog. he was a "liberal" piece of work.))

Looks like RACHEL! FRICKIN! MADDOW! commented over there and agrees...

304 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:38:51pm

re: #302 austin_blue

The Nodrog!!

((For you newbies who don't know the history, a former poster here who had the most powerful OCD syndrome I have ever seen in a blog. he was a "liberal" piece of work.))

He created an entire blog of his own, carefully documenting case studies of people Charles had banned from the blog. I spent an entire evening of my life reading that thing.

305 Kragar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:39:28pm

re: #304 SanFranciscoZionist

He created an entire blog of his own, carefully documenting case studies of people Charles had banned from the blog. I spent an entire evening of my life reading that thing.

An evening you'll never get back.

306 zora  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:39:53pm

OT: [Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican

the pope is going to be pissed at this guy.

307 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:40:01pm

A quick skim of the wingnut blogs shows nobody is correcting or updating their posts on the bogus fishing ban story from yesterday. Is there any wonder the right wing blogs have lost all credibility? Even the stupidest easily debunked conspiracies still stand. Nobody cares.

308 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:40:07pm

re: #286 zora


I like Rachel, very much. She's easily the best thing going on cable political news right now. She's quick, intelligent, witty and actually informative, a real rarity these days. She's like awesome lesbian friend who can drink you under the table and happens to be a Rhodes scholar. Also, I can't be the only straight man who finds her strangely quite attractive. She gets bashed on the right about her appearance because she's the antithesis of the typical FauxNews Barbie Doll.

309 Racer X  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:40:10pm

re: #304 SanFranciscoZionist

He created an entire blog of his own, carefully documenting case studies of people Charles had banned from the blog. I spent an entire evening of my life reading that thing.

Upding for your pain and suffering. You will never get that time back.

310 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:40:23pm

re: #304 SanFranciscoZionist

He created an entire blog of his own, carefully documenting case studies of people Charles had banned from the blog. I spent an entire evening of my life reading that thing.

Lol, that's just...hilariously pathetic.
Nodrog...lol.

311 Racer X  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:41:09pm
312 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:41:33pm

re: #306 zora

OT: [Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican

the pope is going to be pissed at this guy.

He has been in trouble with the Vatican before. About a year or two ago he was running his mouth about how the Church was bringing back exorcisms. Made The Church took a little loopy.

313 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:41:41pm

re: #304 SanFranciscoZionist

He created an entire blog of his own, carefully documenting case studies of people Charles had banned from the blog. I spent an entire evening of my life reading that thing.

You can't get that time back, but you can ignore it if you take the advice of Billy Pilgrim and the Tralfamadorians.

314 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:43:14pm

re: #245 Charles

Dear Lord and Jesus, Charles Johnson is linking to frikkin Rachel Maddow now. RACHEL MADDOW PEOPLE!

Ahhh! Ahhh! RACHEL FREAKING MADDOW! [run around screaming]

Charles, what is it like living in these people's heads? What kind of beer do they have in their head fridge?

315 Kruk  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:43:17pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

Maquis.

Doh! In my defence though, I was drinking during most Voyager episodes. It was the only way I could balance geek loyalty with my own sanity.

316 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:43:45pm

re: #304 SanFranciscoZionist

He created an entire blog of his own, carefully documenting case studies of people Charles had banned from the blog. I spent an entire evening of my life reading that thing.

Gordon spent a couple of years reblogging every debate and discussion he ever had on LGF. He was reliving his time here. He was the first banned person I eventually became sorry for. Very sad and probably mentally ill.

317 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:44:13pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

A quick skim of the wingnut blogs shows nobody is correcting or updating their posts on the bogus fishing ban story from yesterday. Is there any wonder the right wing blogs have lost all credibility? Even the stupidest easily debunked conspiracies still stand. Nobody cares.

It's unbelievably pathetic. The right wing blogosphere is a complete joke.

318 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:44:17pm

re: #120 Cato the Elder

Oh, great Caesar's ghost!

The billybobs and cyndilous over at the Borgmocrazee have posted an "About" page. ("first time visitor? get the scoop?").

Man kann nicht soviel essen, wie man kotzen möchte.

And by the way, geniuses, although you don't mention his name, what you're saying is "we owe everything to Charles".

They desecrated the Gettysburg Address for 2.0's "About" page?

Uggghhhh....

319 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:44:34pm

re: #314 Alouette

Charles, what is it like living in these people's heads? What kind of beer do they have in their head fridge?

Skunked.

320 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:44:42pm

re: #315 Kruk

Doh! In my defence though, I was drinking during most Voyager episodes. It was the only way I could balance geek loyalty with my own sanity.

Heh, Voyager is still > than Enterprise.
;)

321 Ericus58  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:44:49pm

re: #298 Racer X

THE ARBITERS "Gimme That Love Thing"


[Video]

I swear the Stones are playing to me during the first 30 seconds or so...

322 Kragar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:44:50pm

re: #315 Kruk

Doh! In my defence though, I was drinking during most Voyager episodes. It was the only way I could balance geek loyalty with my own sanity.

My geek loyalty was killed by a shitty kid actor in a pod race.

323 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:45:22pm

re: #312 Killgore Trout

He has been in trouble with the Vatican before. About a year or two ago he was running his mouth about how the Church was bringing back exorcisms. Made The Church took a little loopy.

Yeah--I'd put this on the back burner until his story is filled out. I think he might be the Vatican's "Strange but Loveable Old Uncle".

324 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:45:44pm

Speaking of obsessions: my daily vigil of waiting at the mailbox was finally rewarded when my escrow check arrived from my (former) mortgage company. Almost all my bills should be paid up as soon as it clears.

325 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:45:46pm

re: #314 Alouette

Charles, what is it like living in these people's heads? What kind of beer do they have in their head fridge?

From looking at Adrian MacNair's blog I am guessing that tweet is sarc, not snark....

[Link: canadiancynic.blogspot.com...]

326 freetoken  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:45:53pm

re: #297 austin_blue

Here's the thing... I've not changes a whole lot. Perhaps a little, but not much. I've always been a modernist/realist and all the subjects I pick about which to write have that slant in my comments.

The social aspects of commenting on a blog are interesting - after all, this is one man's property, and the rest of us here just drop in for any number of reasons.

I have no reservations spending time here to post what I do, as I figure more eyes will read my writings here than if I did my own blog (which I have in prototype form but haven't decided if I really want to undertake.)

It was in 2004, before the election, while I was living overseas and searching for blogs on what was happening in the US that I came across LGF. It was probably the Rathergate stuff. It took a while to register as being on the other side of the world meant that my hours didn't sync well with California time.

LGF struck me at that time as being a "skeptic" type of blog - in the good sense. It was for people who wanted to dig and didn't want to accept the news at face value. I never thought of it as some cog in the vast Zionist conspiracy, nor as the holy front in the culture war against Islam, to use two ideations that pop in the head of some detractors.

Because I first wrote about oil, then AGW, and picked avatars for use as rorschach tests I definitely ran afoul of some of the posters here.

Que sera sera...

327 The Left  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:46:08pm

re: #316 Killgore Trout

Gordon spent a couple of years reblogging every debate and discussion he ever had on LGF. He was reliving his time here. He was the first banned person I eventually became sorry for. Very sad and probably mentally ill.

And IIRC, at the end of that sustained Aspergers-like obsessive couple of years, he finished his blog with a formal plea to Charles to give him his account back!

I really do suspect mental illness in his case.

328 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:46:27pm

re: #314 Alouette

Charles, what is it like living in these people's heads? What kind of beer do they have in their head fridge?

I always bring my own beer when I'm hanging out in Robert Stacy McCain's head.

329 The Shadow Do  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:47:26pm

For the longest time I followed this blog and I thought Gordon was nothing but schtick. Just too silly to be so. Pretty funny, I thought. I even wondered early on if it was not a sock that Charles trotted out for amusement purposes.

But it was so. And then it became less funny.

330 Digital Display  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:47:33pm

re: #306 zora

OT: [Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican

the pope is going to be pissed at this guy.

You know what my friend? This dude is 85 years old and wacked out...
don't be blaming priests for seducing little boys on the Devil you fuck old geezer.. Blame it on those priest's sins and put them in jail...
I hate little in life.. I hate Men of God that hide behind a religion that gives you an out by blaming Satan..
Free will? you bitch..You can live by God's standards or you can rape little boys.. Don't bring Satan into this shit.. Every person has free will.. There is no Cop-out to the Devil in this world...You can do anything you want.. Don't be bring in the devil made me do it crap..
Cop out and a complete lie.

331 Kruk  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:47:52pm

re: #320 Varek Raith

Heh, Voyager is still > than Enterprise.
;)

Heh. To be fair, the main thing wrong with Voyager was that it went a season (or three) too long. I have an odd fondness for Enterprise that I can't logically explain.

332 Kragar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:48:06pm

re: #328 Charles

I always bring my own beer when I'm hanging out in Robert Stacy McCain's head.

All that wide open space, the echoes of all the voices, creepy place.

333 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:48:25pm

re: #322 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

My geek faith was shaken, but not stirred by the move to rewrite the Han Solo-Greedo encounter was the first sign that he was up to disturb the balance in the force.

It was thrown for a loop with the asinine Jar Jar and the goddamned midicholrians. So, the force is caused by a frakking symbiote? A parasite? Really? Off the charts?

And who the heck deals in absolutes like the Sith? Oh wait - the Jedi. *facepalm*

334 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:49:15pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

A quick skim of the wingnut blogs shows nobody is correcting or updating their posts on the bogus fishing ban story from yesterday. Is there any wonder the right wing blogs have lost all credibility? Even the stupidest easily debunked conspiracies still stand. Nobody cares.

See RogueOne's comment about about how billionaire racist Limbaugh could not get a private health-care policy if a reform bill passes. And therefore he'll have to emigrate to Costa Rica, which ranks ahead of the US in terms of health-care insurance accessibility.

The mind. It boggles.

335 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:50:26pm

There are many definitions on Urban Dictionary.

This is not the sort of stuff you want released to the peanut gallery. Yet here it is.

336 Kruk  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:50:27pm

re: #322 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

My geek loyalty was killed by a shitty kid actor in a pod race.

Heh. TPM was naff, but it was Lucas' own fault. The expectations were built to such a degree that the movie was destined to disappoint.

337 Kragar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:50:34pm

re: #333 lawhawk

My geek faith was shaken, but not stirred by the move to rewrite the Han Solo-Greedo encounter was the first sign that he was up to disturb the balance in the force.

It was thrown for a loop with the asinine Jar Jar and the goddamned midicholrians. So, the force is caused by a frakking symbiote? A parasite? Really? Off the charts?

And who the heck deals in absolutes like the Sith? Oh wait - the Jedi. *facepalm*

I recently read an article on exactly how full of shit Yoda was. It was pretty spot on.

338 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:50:38pm

re: #331 Kruk

Heh. To be fair, the main thing wrong with Voyager was that it went a season (or three) too long. I have an odd fondness for Enterprise that I can't logically explain.

You know what irked me most about the two series? The Borg. In Voyager, Janeway nearly wiped out the Collective. In Enterprise, they were introduced two centuries before they were supposed to be to shore up bad ratings...No one in Starfleet thought to jot down the Borg in a database or two???
Sigh.

339 Kragar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:51:14pm

re: #336 Kruk

Heh. TPM was naff, but it was Lucas' own fault. The expectations were built to such a degree that the movie was destined to disappoint.

1 word: Medicholrians.

340 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:51:24pm

re: #334 Cato the Elder

See RogueOne's comment about about how billionaire racist Limbaugh could not get a private health-care policy if a reform bill passes. And therefore he'll have to emigrate to Costa Rica, which ranks ahead of the US in terms of health-care insurance accessibility.

The mind. It boggles.

Yes but in Costa Rica they can fish!

///

341 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:52:05pm

re: #322 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

My geek loyalty was killed by a shitty kid actor in a pod race.

You too?

RANT ON In what kind of a world do slaves belonging to a junkyard owner have their own little two-bedroom apartment on the outskirts of town? And why am I supposed to give a shit about the Jedi when they never even bothered to TRY to go back for the woman? RANT OFF

342 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:52:27pm

re: #278 EmmmieG

It was 42 in the old economy. Now it's 37.

Unless we're talking about gold, in which case the answer is now 289.

343 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:52:31pm

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel

HOLY CRAP!!!

Free Republic has a string about the AF's new "flying assassin" drone (featured here a few days ago), but some of the Freepers are not enthusiastic at all:


Stay tuned

Man, they must have their tin foil beanies on too tight, because the circulation's getting cut off to their brains...

344 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:52:33pm

re: #313 Cato the Elder

You can't get that time back, but you can ignore it if you take the advice of Billy Pilgrim and the Tralfamadorians.

I was a victim of a series of accidents. As are we all.

* The scene where Salo disassembled himself made me cry, lots.

345 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:53:14pm

re: #339 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

1 word: Medicholrians.

As a huge Star Wars fan, I completely ignore "the parasites cause the Force" bull shit. Among others.

346 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:53:28pm

For the record, I like Rachel Maddow. I really loved it when she stuck it to the Birchers. Those pesky facts.

347 Firstinla  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:54:34pm

re: #328 Charles

Are you throwing your empties on the floor? I need an explanation for all the clanking sounds I hear in the background.

348 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:55:13pm

re: #304 SanFranciscoZionist

He created an entire blog of his own, carefully documenting case studies of people Charles had banned from the blog. I spent an entire evening of my life reading that thing.

Me too! They were mostly GOV and VB apologists, or Transfer fanatics.Good riddance (OK, I'll be honest. I miss Ed and OR, but it's Charles' blog. He sets the rules.) Or The Nodrog. Fie, fie unto Charles for tiring of The Nodrogs schtick! Jerk!

///

349 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:55:16pm

I just taped this up in my kids' rooms, and explained to them what it means:


I am your constant companion,
I am your greatest helper or your heaviest burden.
I will push you onward or drag your down to failure.
I am at your command.
Half of the tasks that you do you might just as well
turn over to me and I will do them quickly and correctly.

I am easily managed,
you must merely be firm with me.
Show me exactly how you want something done;
after a few lessons I will do it automatically.
I am the servant of all great people and
alas of all failures as well.
Those who are great I have made great,
those who are failures I have made failures.


I am not a machine, but I work with all the precision
of a machine, plus the intelligence of a person.
Now, you may run me for profit or
you may run me for ruin.
It makes no difference to me.
Take me, train me, be firm with me,
and I will lay the world at your feet.
Be easy with me and I will destroy you.

Who am I? I am called Habit.

I hope it sinks in, and/or returns to mind during challenging times in later years.

350 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:56:17pm

re: #337 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Take Yoda's chilling warning to Luke about the consequences of his decision to go to Cloud City:

"If you go now, help them you could, but you would destroy ALL for which they have fought and suffered..."

Set aside that this is vague to the point of incoherence, it consists of two separate clauses which are both proven completely untrue within minutes of Yoda saying them.

The marginal "help" Luke provides to his friends consists in absorbing a Washington Generals-level beatdown from Vader, thus creating a painful and humiliating diversion to distract the Sith Lord from his friends' escape. Luke showing up at Cloud City has NO negative consequences for anything the Rebellion was fighting for or anything else we can see for that matter.

And let's not forget that Luke also "helped" them pick up Lando Calrissian, the guy who eventually joined the Rebellion and BLEW UP THE SPACE STATION CARRYING THE EMPEROR. In other words, the guy who ended up winning them the war.

351 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:56:20pm

re: #328 Charles

I always bring my own beer when I'm hanging out in Robert Stacy McCain's head.

RSM's brain beer is Miller Very Very Light.

352 Kragar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:56:56pm

re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist

You too?

RANT ON In what kind of a world do slaves belonging to a junkyard owner have their own little two-bedroom apartment on the outskirts of town? And why am I supposed to give a shit about the Jedi when they never even bothered to TRY to go back for the woman? RANT OFF

"Well, we defeated the Droid army and saved the day, we're done here. Back to Coruscant!"
"Um, my mom is still a slave."
"You've got a lot of training, and we have to keep a close eye on you because of the prophecy."
"Gee, maybe saving my mom would make sure I dont harbor a grudge which eventually leads to me killing you all?"
"Quiet young padawan."

353 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:56:58pm

re: #345 Varek Raith

Stay on target!

354 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:57:00pm

re: #320 Varek Raith

Heh, Voyager is still > than Enterprise.
;)

I saw a few good episodes of Enterprise. I thought the series finale was a hoot on many levels.

BUT!

Check out this recently uncovered footage of the NCC-1701 crew encountering their strangest discovery of all. (Try to make it through the whole thing; if you can't just fast forward to the last 50 seconds)

355 The Left  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:57:30pm

re: #351 austin_blue

RSM's brain beer is Miller Very Very Light.

Not Pabst Blue Ribbon but Pabst White Hood.

356 Kragar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:57:45pm

re: #350 Varek Raith

That would be the one.

357 jaunte  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:57:49pm

re: #351 austin_blue

I thought he was a Dixie drinker.

358 freetoken  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:57:52pm

Speaking of modernity and realism, or the lack thereof, Ron Paul sent out a PR today about yet another "money bomb" for his son.

It is now looking to be quite possible that Rand Paul will win the GOP nomination for Senator. And, if this is indeed a counter-swing (against the majority) year, then Rand very well might become Senator.

Two Luaps in DC at the same time...

359 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:58:06pm

re: #308 goddamnedfrank

I like Rachel, very much. She's easily the best thing going on cable political news right now. She's quick, intelligent, witty and actually informative, a real rarity these days. She's like awesome lesbian friend who can drink you under the table and happens to be a Rhodes scholar. Also, I can't be the only straight man who finds her strangely quite attractive. She gets bashed on the right about her appearance because she's the antithesis of the typical FauxNews Barbie Doll.

You're not alone. At the very least, I'd love to share a drink with her and her partner. She just strikes me as a fascinating person. I have no doubt that the conversation would be very worthwhile.

360 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:58:09pm

re: #334 Cato the Elder

The mind. It boggles.


The magical thinking is so frustrating. They just pretend something is true and there's no room for any sort of reasonable debate on the issues.

361 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:58:11pm

re: #166 blueraven

Actually they will be. That is the fix that will be voted on.

Not quite. Right now they're trying to hammer out the details but once the house passes reconciliation they're just taking for granted that the Senate is going to live up to its word and make the promised changes. Either way, it's no longer the presidents plan of January, it's what he get them to agree to pass.

362 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:58:16pm

Anyone know? Is Bill O'Reily very religious or in any way anti-Catholic religious?

363 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:58:21pm

re: #349 The Sanity Inspector

How old is the kid?

364 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:58:46pm

re: #358 freetoken

Speaking of modernity and realism, or the lack thereof, Ron Paul sent out a PR today about yet another "money bomb" for his son.

It is now looking to be quite possible that Rand Paul will win the GOP nomination for Senator. And, if this is indeed a counter-swing (against the majority) year, then Rand very well might become Senator.

Two Luaps in DC at the same time...

Yep, Rand Paul is probably going to win the nomination.

GOP. Off the rails.

365 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:58:52pm

re: #356 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

That would be the one.

Spot on, it was.
;)

366 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:58:57pm

re: #336 Kruk

It could have been spectacular if he paid as much attention to a coherent storyline as he did to rendering Naboo with such fidelity.

Had he cut about 30 minutes - and all of Jar Jar's scenes, it might have been a far superior film. Had he had more Darth Maul and less about the midichlorians, it would have been better.

Perhaps, it might have been better to start not with Anikin, but with his father... and a realistic origin story...

367 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:59:10pm

re: #333 lawhawk

My geek faith was shaken, but not stirred by the move to rewrite the Han Solo-Greedo encounter was the first sign that he was up to disturb the balance in the force.

It was thrown for a loop with the asinine Jar Jar and the goddamned midicholrians. So, the force is caused by a frakking symbiote? A parasite? Really? Off the charts?

And who the heck deals in absolutes like the Sith? Oh wait - the Jedi. *facepalm*

The Jedi turned into the worst cliches of space opera. Ugh. The whole thing was just so--icky.

368 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:59:23pm

re: #362 Jadespring

Anyone know? Is Bill O'Reily very religious or in any way anti-Catholic religious?

Given his name I kinda doubt he's anti-Catholic. I haven't seen any hint of it from him.

369 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 5:59:42pm

re: #367 SanFranciscoZionist

The Jedi turned into the worst cliches of space opera. Ugh. The whole thing was just so--icky.

Silly Jedi.

370 Girth  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:00:24pm

re: #322 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

My geek loyalty was killed by a shitty kid actor in a pod race.

Mine actually survived the pod race, but was quickly killed and dismembered by Hayden Christensen.

371 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:00:29pm

re: #339 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

1 word: Medicholrians.

Midichlorians.

Virgin birth.

The apparent total lack of OB-GYNs in this society that has interstellar ships.

372 The Left  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:01:13pm

re: #362 Jadespring

Anyone know? Is Bill O'Reily very religious or in any way anti-Catholic religious?

I thought O'Reilly is a Catholic himself.

373 Racer X  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:01:29pm

re: #369 Varek Raith

Silly Jedi.

Mind tricks are for kids.

374 Digital Display  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:01:46pm

re: #372 iceweasel

I thought O'Reilly is a Catholic himself.

He is a Catholic

375 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:01:53pm

re: #355 iceweasel

Genny light... Or maybe Old English 800...

No wait...

I've got it...

Mad Dog 20/20!

376 Kragar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:02:02pm

re: #367 SanFranciscoZionist

The Jedi turned into the worst cliches of space opera. Ugh. The whole thing was just so--icky.

As the Star Wars RPG taught, autoshotguns + flamethrower > Jedi.

377 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:02:21pm

re: #367 SanFranciscoZionist

I always liked the Star Wars movies. The plots and dialogue were ridiculously bad but he created a neat little world and the special effects were really good for the time. They were great movies of their day but they don't really hold up very well over time.

378 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:02:26pm

Ahem,
Dear Lucas,
SOLO SHOT FIRST!11!!!11

379 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:02:27pm

re: #362 Jadespring

Anyone know? Is Bill O'Reily very religious or in any way anti-Catholic religious?

I believe he's a Catholic. How religious he is, is not known.

380 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:02:30pm

re: #350 Varek Raith

Technically, the Emperor didn't "die" there, he had clones. Empty vessels into which he could insert his self. And Luke ended up turning to the Dark Side in an effort to defeat the Emperor, so maybe Yoda was a little right.

/and thus ends the total sum of my non-movie related Star Wars knowledge.

381 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:02:52pm

re: #368 Killgore Trout

Given his name I kinda doubt he's anti-Catholic. I haven't seen any hint of it from him.

Okay. Just wondering because Bones was a repeat and I was flipping through channels and caught the last part of the segment he was doing on the kid of the lesbian couple that got kicked out of the Catholic school.
It just wasn't what I would have expected from him.

382 The Left  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:02:54pm

re: #374 HoosierHoops

He is a Catholic

Cheers Hoops! How are you? Good to see you!

re: #375 lawhawk

Genny light... Or maybe Old English 800...

No wait...

I've got it...

Mad Dog 20/20!

Heh. Love it.

383 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:03:24pm

re: #371 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sorry, but she just gave up the will to live.

You mean to tell me with that ability for interstellar flight you can't find a damned doctor to keep her on life support until she realizes that Anikin was a SOB who deserved to get dropped into a vat of lava. He tried to kill her (and her twins!)!

384 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:03:24pm

re: #349 The Sanity Inspector

Upding except for the part about "laying the world at your feet".

That is Ayn Randian bullshit.

Vonnegut was right: we should prepare our kids to be good people, and failures. Because given the shite-tripe we feed them about dreams of glory and success, that is what all of them will end up feeling like.

385 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:03:30pm

re: #308 goddamnedfrank

I like Rachel, very much. She's easily the best thing going on cable political news right now. She's quick, intelligent, witty and actually informative, a real rarity these days. She's like awesome lesbian friend who can drink you under the table and happens to be a Rhodes scholar. Also, I can't be the only straight man who finds her strangely quite attractive. She gets bashed on the right about her appearance because she's the antithesis of the typical FauxNews Barbie Doll.

Smart is sexy.

386 cronus  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:03:32pm

OT: This ought to be interesting:

michellemalkin: Will be on @hannityshow on FNC tonite 930pm Eastern to talk Texas educ stds/txtbook controversy. @seanhannity

387 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:03:57pm

re: #328 Charles

I always bring my own beer when I'm hanging out in Robert Stacy McCain's head.

I hope you don't sleep on the bed linens.

388 freetoken  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:04:09pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

Concur. When they first came out (the first three productions) I was impressed. Now when I view them they look quite dated. Not just the special effects, but the whole story and character selection seems somehow too trite or too forced. Perhaps I've gotten too old for those type of stories.

389 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:04:11pm

re: #372 iceweasel

I thought O'Reilly is a Catholic himself.

He and sister bay are kind of hard-core IIRC. He's had love-fests with Bill Donough.

390 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:04:12pm

re: #352 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

"Well, we defeated the Droid army and saved the day, we're done here. Back to Coruscant!"
"Um, my mom is still a slave."
"You've got a lot of training, and we have to keep a close eye on you because of the prophecy."
"Gee, maybe saving my mom would make sure I dont harbor a grudge which eventually leads to me killing you all?"
"Quiet young padawan."

Immoral. The whole second trilogy was immoral.

I don't like immoral science fiction.

391 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:05:03pm

re: #367 SanFranciscoZionist

The Jedi turned into the worst cliches of space opera. Ugh. The whole thing was just so--icky.

Skating on thin ice, you are.
Learn to talk like yoda

392 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:05:05pm

re: #362 Jadespring

Anyone know? Is Bill O'Reily very religious or in any way anti-Catholic religious?

I have no idea. I always assumed he was Catholic from his name, but he could be something else. Or nothing.

393 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:05:18pm

re: #386 cronus

OT: This ought to be interesting:

Oh boy. Here come the creationist talking points.

GOP. Off the rails.

394 Kragar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:05:39pm

re: #388 freetoken

Concur. When they first came out (the first three productions) I was impressed. Now when I view them they look quite dated. Not just the special effects, but the whole story and character selection seems somehow too trite or too forced. Perhaps I've gotten too old for those type of stories.

The Emperor's best legions, crack troops, routed by koala bears with sticks.

395 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:05:43pm

re: #390 SanFranciscoZionist

Immoral. The whole second trilogy was immoral.

I don't like immoral science fiction.

It certainly made the Jedi look as if they deserved what was coming...

396 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:06:13pm

re: #389 Decatur Deb

He and sister bay are kind of hard-core IIRC. He's had love-fests with Bill Donough.

Interesting. He was giving the priest a hard time about it the kid being kicked out. He was defending the kid and the lesbian couple.

397 freetoken  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:06:13pm

re: #393 Charles

I bet it will be more about rewriting history than creationism.

398 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:06:20pm

re: #390 SanFranciscoZionist

Immoral. The whole second trilogy was immoral.

I don't like immoral science fiction.

If you haven't read "The Lady who Sailed the Soul", it will blow you away (esp the morals considering it's from the '50s/'60s).

399 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:06:23pm

re: #378 Varek Raith

Ahem,
Dear Lucas,
SOLO SHOT FIRST!11!!!11

Wouldn't you have?

400 Firstinla  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:06:37pm

re: #389 Decatur Deb

I thought Bay was Pat Buchanan's sister. Please don't tell me there are two Bays ranting against reality.

401 Digital Display  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:06:41pm

re: #382 iceweasel

Heh. Love it.

Hi you..Life doesn't get any better..
I hope today finds you well.. I have a funny story to tell you about Singapore..I'll email you in the morning...How is Jimmah doing?

402 Kragar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:06:51pm

re: #390 SanFranciscoZionist

Immoral. The whole second trilogy was immoral.

I don't like immoral science fiction.

I dont mind it if its part of the theme. Its the selective application and preachiness of implied moral superiority that gets to me.

403 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:06:53pm

OK, I'm going to turn on the Sean Hannity show for the first time in more than 6 months, to see how Malkin and Hannity try to justify creationism to the Fox News masses.

404 freetoken  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:07:15pm

re: #394 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Yeah... the trilogies are almost at Gilligan's-Island level of logic.

405 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:07:22pm

re: #396 Jadespring

Interesting. He was giving the priest a hard time about it the kid being kicked out. He was defending the kid and the lesbian couple.

He loves the contrarian position.

406 jaunte  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:07:27pm

re: #387 Alouette

I hope you don't sleep on the bed linens.

Everything in there is covered in shag carpeting.

407 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:07:30pm

re: #394 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

The Emperor's best legions, crack troops, routed by koala bears with sticks.

This may cheer you up!

408 Racer X  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:07:45pm
409 The Left  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:07:59pm

re: #401 HoosierHoops

Hi you..Life doesn't get any better..
I hope today finds you well.. I have a funny story to tell you about Singapore..I'll email you in the morning...How is Jimmah doing?

He's good! We both are! Love to you and Winston...looking forward to your email. Be well!

410 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:08:05pm

re: #400 Firstinla

I thought Bay was Pat Buchanan's sister. Please don't tell me there are two Bays ranting against reality.

You're right..I'm confusing the two.

411 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:08:10pm

re: #397 freetoken

I bet it will be more about rewriting history than creationism.

Yeah, it's going to be more of the "our founding fathers were Christian fundamentalists, so you should be too!" BS.

412 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:08:12pm

re: #383 lawhawk

I'm sorry, but she just gave up the will to live.

You mean to tell me with that ability for interstellar flight you can't find a damned doctor to keep her on life support until she realizes that Anikin was a SOB who deserved to get dropped into a vat of lava. He tried to kill her (and her twins!)!

I'm willing to accept that Padme may simply have died from sorrow or shock.

However, the fact that she never says "Anakin, the doctor says the twins and I are fine!" leads me to suspect she's, well, not seeing anyone for prenatal care. Also, of course, the fact that they don't realize there are twins until she's freaking in labor!

413 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:08:39pm

re: #322 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

You are so right. Lucas killed his own creation. How could the Jedi leave the mama in slavery? Huge plot miscalculation. Feh, it's dead to me now.

414 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:09:09pm

re: #383 lawhawk

I'm sorry, but she just gave up the will to live.

You mean to tell me with that ability for interstellar flight you can't find a damned doctor to keep her on life support until she realizes that Anikin was a SOB who deserved to get dropped into a vat of lava. He tried to kill her (and her twins!)!

Also, she should have realized what Anakin was at least at the point where he decided to massacre a whole village of raiders. Her guilt in keeping that quiet is a very sticky point for me.

415 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:09:22pm

re: #403 Charles

OK, I'm going to turn on the Sean Hannity show for the first time in more than 6 months, to see how Malkin and Hannity try to justify creationism to the Fox News masses.

I'm betting that creationism doesn't come up. This will be about how American is a biblical nation, and rewriting the history books.

416 Kragar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:09:37pm

re: #404 freetoken

Yeah... the trilogies are almost at Gilligan's-Island level of logic.

Case in point: Han and Luke save Leia from the Death Star, Leia herself says its too easy, it must be a trick. Maybe they should fly off somewhere safe, search the ship, maybe try and make sure they didn't get followed?

Nope, set course for Yavin, got to make it to the secret base ASAP.

417 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:09:43pm

re: #410 Decatur Deb

You're right..I'm confusing the two.

Eh, the Irish, who can tell one from the other?

418 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:09:48pm

bleggh. Others beat me too it.

419 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:10:12pm

re: #326 freetoken

Here's the thing... I've not changes a whole lot. Perhaps a little, but not much. I've always been a modernist/realist and all the subjects I pick about which to write have that slant in my comments.

The social aspects of commenting on a blog are interesting - after all, this is one man's property, and the rest of us here just drop in for any number of reasons.

I have no reservations spending time here to post what I do, as I figure more eyes will read my writings here than if I did my own blog (which I have in prototype form but haven't decided if I really want to undertake.)

It was in 2004, before the election, while I was living overseas and searching for blogs on what was happening in the US that I came across LGF. It was probably the Rathergate stuff. It took a while to register as being on the other side of the world meant that my hours didn't sync well with California time.

LGF struck me at that time as being a "skeptic" type of blog - in the good sense. It was for people who wanted to dig and didn't want to accept the news at face value. I never thought of it as some cog in the vast Zionist conspiracy, nor as the holy front in the culture war against Islam, to use two ideations that pop in the head of some detractors.

Because I first wrote about oil, then AGW, and picked avatars for use as rorschach tests I definitely ran afoul of some of the posters here.

Que sera sera...

[Video]

Well said, it's the reason I was attracted to this site, also. But I was a lurker here for a long time because many of the posters were over the top. Some of the hard right Christians/"Revengists" would talk gleefully of burying Muslims in pigskins, not realizing the depth of that cultural insult on the cohort that were Jews.

It was an odd time, and it took the GOV/VB flame war to start cleaning out the extremists posting here. When I first started posting actively, I still got slammed for being a Lib (even though I am a Scoop Jackson, socially updated Lib, in every sense).

It's *so* much better now.

420 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:10:14pm

re: #395 Varek Raith

It certainly made the Jedi look as if they deserved what was coming...

I felt as though the killing of the children was emphasized because otherwise no one would care.

421 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:10:20pm

re: #345 Varek Raith

Lucas had the opportunity to do for Star Wars what "Batman Begins" and "Dark Knight" did for the Batman mythos, but no.

422 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:10:23pm
423 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:10:34pm

I'm out ... two books to finish tonight.

424 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:10:35pm

re: #405 Decatur Deb

He loves the contrarian position.

Yeah? Heh. He played it well.

425 Kragar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:10:41pm

re: #407 Varek Raith

This may cheer you up!

[Video]

That makes me feel much better.

426 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:10:57pm

Holy shit Batman, Star Wars geek alert!!!

Someone tell a dick joke, stat!

427 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:11:06pm

re: #396 Jadespring

Interesting. He was giving the priest a hard time about it the kid being kicked out. He was defending the kid and the lesbian couple.

What this priest did is not normative in the Catholic community, and if O'Reilly is a Catholic he understands how extreme it is to deny a child a Catholic education just to show disapproval of the parents.

428 Girth  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:11:28pm

re: #403 Charles

OK, I'm going to turn on the Sean Hannity show for the first time in more than 6 months, to see how Malkin and Hannity try to justify creationism to the Fox News masses.

ARGH!!! That shit eating grin of his!

It confuses and enrages us!

429 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:11:32pm

re: #417 Jeff In Ohio

Eh, the Irish, who can tell one from the other?

We left an "O' " on the boat.

430 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:11:43pm

re: #405 Decatur Deb

He loves the contrarian position.

That too.

431 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:11:44pm

re: #355 iceweasel

Not Pabst Blue Ribbon but Pabst White Hood.

Oh, Snap!

432 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:11:46pm

re: #413 prairiefire

You are so right. Lucas killed his own creation. How could the Jedi leave the mama in slavery? Huge plot miscalculation. Feh, it's dead to me now.

It also wasn't believable. Young Anakin didn't seem totally gungho about become a Jedi as much as he did escaping slavery and getting the opportunity to "see the stars." The whole movie was shoddy and sloppy and it just got worse.

I remember reading, somewhere that Heath Ledger had been asked to play the role of Anakin as a young man but regrettably had prior commitments.

433 cronus  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:11:51pm

re: #415 Thanos

I'm betting that creationism doesn't come up. This will be about how American is a biblical nation, and rewriting the history books.

I think you are right but I'll be curious to see whether either Malkin or Hannity acknowledge that the Board's leading culture warrior just lost in a Republican primary.

434 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:12:19pm

By the way, totally off topic, but Uncharted 2 is one of the greatest video games I've ever played. If you're a gamer at all, you need this one.

435 freetoken  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:12:29pm

Is there a livestream of Hannity's show?

436 avanti  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:12:48pm

re: #386 cronus

OT: This ought to be interesting:

48 states favor minimum federal standards, two do not, Texas and Alaska,www.washingtonpost.com...]>surprise./a>

437 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:13:13pm

re: #390 SanFranciscoZionist

Immoral. The whole second trilogy was immoral.

I don't like immoral science fiction.

Does not compute. What's an example of 'moral' (as opposed to 'immoral') science fiction?

438 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:13:53pm

re: #429 Decatur Deb

We left an "O' " on the boat.

We left a 'T' somewhere in central Tennessee...I think Gr-Grandad gave it up for Reconstruction.

439 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:14:27pm

Pelosi to Stupak: You're just like Crosstown Traffic

440 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:14:49pm

re: #388 freetoken

Concur. When they first came out (the first three productions) I was impressed. Now when I view them they look quite dated. Not just the special effects, but the whole story and character selection seems somehow too trite or too forced. Perhaps I've gotten too old for those type of stories.

I'm hoping to see a resurgence in the Sci-Fi genre. The special effects are cheap enough now and they can be done on home computers. That means small indy film makers will start doing more sci-fi with more interesting plots.

441 jaunte  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:15:02pm

TFN, liveblogging the Texas SBOE brain trust:

7:30 – The board just voted to remove Oscar Romero from a list of leaders who led resistance to political oppression. Board members said he wasn’t as significant as other examples listed in the standard — Nelson Mandela, Mohandas Ghandi and Chinese student protesters in Tiananmen Square. Yet it’s clear that most board members don’t even know who Romero was. (One board member: “He didn’t have his own movie like the others.” He then corrected himself because, of course, there was a major movie about Salvadoran archbishop who was assassinated in the 1980s.)

7:37 – The board just voted to add the late Israeli leader Golda Meir to the world history standards. Board member Rick Agosto was opposed to the motion, saying he’s upset the board is adding names while removing someone of Hispanic heritage (Romero). Board member Terri Leo: “Well, we’re adding a Jewish woman.”
[Link: tfninsider.org...]

442 avanti  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:15:22pm

re: #436 avanti

48 states favor minimum federal standards, two do not, Texas and Alaska,surprise./a>

Better
link.

443 freetoken  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:15:58pm

re: #419 austin_blue

The GoV blowup was an eye-opener for many. To this day many American "conservatives" don't realize, or care, that there are all sorts of far-right/fascists political parties throughout Europe that try to weasel their way into public life.

Given that Beck thinks the PM of France is on the "center-right" and implying he would be so here in the US, and then goes on to misname Le Pen, just shows how little many self declared conservatives in this country know about politics abroad.

444 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:16:05pm

re: #411 Charles

Yeah, it's going to be more of the "our founding fathers were Christian fundamentalists, so you should be too!" BS.

Hannity wading in as an expert with his mighty High Skrool science background should be a treat!

445 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:16:41pm

re: #434 Charles

By the way, totally off topic, but Uncharted 2 is one of the greatest video games I've ever played. If you're a gamer at all, you need this one.

That reminds me. Here's the Zero Punctiation review of BioShock 2 (NSFW language)

I didn't even like the first one.

446 Kragar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:17:23pm

re: #445 Killgore Trout

That reminds me. Here's the Zero Punctiation review of BioShock 2 (NSFW language)

I didn't even like the first one.

2nd one was too short.

447 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:17:27pm

re: #413 prairiefire

You are so right. Lucas killed his own creation. How could the Jedi leave the mama in slavery? Huge plot miscalculation. Feh, it's dead to me now.

I only watched the first film of the new trilogy. Seeing my childhood hero reduced to such cartoonish levels caused this reaction.

I hate Lucas

448 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:17:32pm

re: #441 jaunte

TFN, liveblogging the Texas SBOE brain trust:

This is why the subject is suddenly showing up on Fox News. The religious right is mobilizing the idiots.

Michelle Malkin will probably be broadcasting from James Dobson's studios, as she usually does. The Fox News-Dobson connection should tell you something.

449 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:18:30pm

re: #416 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Case in point: Han and Luke save Leia from the Death Star, Leia herself says its too easy, it must be a trick. Maybe they should fly off somewhere safe, search the ship, maybe try and make sure they didn't get followed?

Nope, set course for Yavin, got to make it to the secret base ASAP.

It would have been hard to find if it was on the outside of the ship, the Millennium Falcon's hull is quite irregular.

450 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:18:32pm

re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist

What this priest did is not normative in the Catholic community, and if O'Reilly is a Catholic he understands how extreme it is to deny a child a Catholic education just to show disapproval of the parents.

Yeah he seemed to make that point. He kept saying he was concerned about the kid. He also said it was really troubling because where does it stop, lots of catholics kids at schools have parents who are divorced or have committed adultary so are you going to kick them all out. Are you going to kick all kids out who have sinning parents? There'd be no one in the schools. The priest kept trying to make argument that implied that being gay was different issue and somehow worse then everything else and in you face and Bill kept saying nah, as far as know they were quiet, didn't make a big deal about it yadda yadda. That doesn't work. Kept talking over the priest too.

451 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:19:23pm

re: #437 negativ

Does not compute. What's an example of 'moral' (as opposed to 'immoral') science fiction?

If people get to hurt others, and make stupid decisions, and still get held up as models of excellence, and have none of their failings seriously examined--ie the Jedi in the second trilogy--that's immoral to me.

Moral sci fi? It's a sliding scale. Not all authors examine moral issues very much. Samuel Delaney comes to mind. I could discuss fantasy fiction in more detail.

452 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:19:37pm

re: #383 lawhawk

Hi, Lawhawk, I read your's and Oaktree's posts earlier about "Baa Baa Black Sheep" fighters. Now that there is a branch of the NAtional Archives in town, i will do some research on my uncle. I have heard that "Footsteps" is a good site for military research. It's free online at the archives. I have a little yellow researcher ID card.

453 Girth  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:19:41pm

Hannity talking to Malkin.

So much stupid on one screen.

454 Digital Display  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:20:04pm

re: #434 Charles

By the way, totally off topic, but www.amazon.com...]>Uncharted 2 is one of the greatest video games I've ever played. If you're a gamer at all, you need this one.


Grand Thief auto 4..
/I am in so much trouble
*wink*

455 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:20:07pm

re: #440 Killgore Trout

District 9!

456 Kragar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:20:17pm

re: #449 Dark_Falcon

It would have been hard to find if it was on the outside of the ship, the Millennium Falcon's hull is quite irregular.

True, but perhaps it could have been searched someplace other that the secret rebel base that an entire cruiser's crew had been sacrificed to protect.

457 jaunte  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:20:28pm

re: #448 Charles

Fox ran a teaser earlier this evening showing a bunch of (students?) standing around outside the hearings in yellow t-shirts with 'Save Our History' on the fronts. I missed the voiceover but I believe it was about how Christian founders were.

458 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:20:31pm

re: #450 Jadespring

Yeah he seemed to make that point. He kept saying he was concerned about the kid. He also said it was really troubling because where does it stop, lots of catholics kids at schools have parents who are divorced or have committed adultary so are you going to kick them all out. Are you going to kick all kids out who have sinning parents? There'd be no one in the schools. The priest kept trying to make argument that implied that being gay was different issue and somehow worse then everything else and in you face and Bill kept saying nah, as far as know they were quiet, didn't make a big deal about it yadda yadda. That doesn't work. Kept talking over the priest too.

Well. Bill is closer to getting off my list of Irishmen Who Embarrass Me.

459 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:20:38pm

re: #426 Jeff In Ohio

Holy shit Batman, Star Wars geek alert!!!

Someone tell a dick joke, stat!

Stay on Target!

460 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:20:59pm

Gah... Hal Turner was again let off the hook as the retrial ended in mistrial. They've set another trial date, but unless prosecutors figure out a way to distinguish between the time he spent as an informant and the time that he made the statements calling for the death of the judges, they're not going to have any better luck.

461 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:21:28pm

re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist

I want Dr. Who to show up and castigate the Jedi for being the elitist pricks they are. Especially with the mucking about in other people's minds thing.

462 Digital Display  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:21:30pm

re: #454 HoosierHoops


Grand Thief auto 4..
/I am in so much trouble
*wink*

What the? Never mind...The strike has killed the whole effect...

463 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:21:59pm

re: #443 freetoken

British Tories are MidWest Democrats.

464 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:22:16pm

re: #455 prairiefire

District 9!

Watched that last weekend. It was a good one. Did I empathize with a jumbo, biped shrimp? You bet!

465 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:22:18pm

re: #461 Obdicut

I want Dr. Who to show up and castigate the Jedi for being the elitist pricks they are. Especially with the mucking about in other people's minds thing.

No need, my fellow associates saw to the Jedi...

466 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:22:39pm

O'reilly was Catholic educated through college, and taught a Catholic HS.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

467 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:22:43pm

re: #456 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

True, but perhaps it could have been searched someplace other that the secret rebel base that an entire cruiser's crew had been sacrificed to protect.

Possibly, but you can't get too locked up in logic for most movies. Realism is often boring.

468 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:23:26pm

re: #363 Slumbering Behemoth

How old is the kid?

They are 8 and 10, respectively. And precocious, so I'm trying to plant some seeds.

469 jaunte  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:25:04pm

re: #448 Charles

This is why the subject is suddenly showing up on Fox News. The religious right is mobilizing the idiots.

Michelle Malkin will probably be broadcasting from James Dobson's studios, as she usually does. The Fox News-Dobson connection should tell you something.

Steven Schafersman (Texas Observer) is also liveblogging the event:

I was just told by a Fox newsman that the Fox Network has four camera crews here, the local one and three national. This process is going to get a big play on national Fox News. Maybe Bill O'Reilly or Glenn Beck will stop by and I can get their autographs.
[Link: www.texasobserver.org...]
470 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:25:14pm

re: #459 Dark_Falcon

Stay on Target!

I can't. I saw Star Wars when it came out and mostly all I could think was "Why doesn't someone punch out this whiny fuck" (Luke), and "What's wrong with her head" (Lea, Laya, Leha???)

Luckily Ford redeemed himself in Blade Runner

471 Kragar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:25:26pm

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist

If people get to hurt others, and make stupid decisions, and still get held up as models of excellence, and have none of their failings seriously examined--ie the Jedi in the second trilogy--that's immoral to me.

Moral sci fi? It's a sliding scale. Not all authors examine moral issues very much. Samuel Delaney comes to mind. I could discuss fantasy fiction in more detail.

40k is perhaps my favorite Sci-Fi genre. Lots of back story and themes. I like the psyker angle there. Paraphrasing a psyker quote

"Imagine a door. Behind the door is every nightmare ever dreamed, and if you fail to watch it every second, it will open and destroy everything you know. Now place that door inside your head. That is what it means to be a psyker."

Fucking pussy Jedi with their viral infection.

472 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:25:38pm

re: #455 prairiefire

District 9!

I hated District 9. The plot was ridiculous. I almost gave up but about half way through (it was when they were raiding the lab and he said "Do it for your son!") I decided it was so bad it was funny.
However, the original short film that District 9 was based on was a brilliant piece....
Original District 9 Short Film

473 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:25:42pm

re: #467 Dark_Falcon

Possibly, but you can't get too locked up in logic for most movies. Realism is often boring.

The Rebels lured the Deathstar into Yavin Prime's gravity well!
/logic.
:)

474 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:26:03pm

re: #460 lawhawk

Gah... Hal Turner was again let off the hook as the retrial ended in mistrial. They've set another trial date, but unless prosecutors figure out a way to distinguish between the time he spent as an informant and the time that he made the statements calling for the death of the judges, they're not going to have any better luck.

Bummer.

475 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:26:06pm

re: #465 Varek Raith

No need, my fellow associates saw to the Jedi...

Yeah, in spades. How goes it, Darth Raith?

476 Ericus58  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:26:10pm

Be well all, time to enjoy dinner and a movie with my wonderful wife... looks to be "Hangover".

477 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:26:18pm

Okay. I just saw Hannity's report of the fishing ban thing.

That's enough Fox for me.

478 Racer X  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:26:23pm

How the Alphabet Was Born from Hieroglyphs

How we got to all those squiggly looking things on your screen right now.

479 Digital Display  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:26:50pm

re: #476 Ericus58

Be well all, time to enjoy dinner and a movie with my wonderful wife... looks to be "Hangover".

Funny movie! It will be fun!

480 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:26:54pm

re: #445 Killgore Trout

That reminds me. Here's the Zero Punctiation review of BioShock 2 (NSFW language)

I didn't even like the first one.

Whether I agree or disagree with his reviews, they are always entertaining and funny as hell.

481 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:26:58pm

re: #470 Jeff In Ohio

Luckily Ford redeemed himself in Blade Runner was already awesome in The Conversation

[Link: www.imdb.com...]


Okay, it was a smaller part, but he ruled it.

482 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:27:39pm

re: #314 Alouette

Charles, what is it like living in these people's heads? What kind of beer do they have in their head fridge?

Probably Milwaukee's Best or some other suckass beer...

483 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:27:50pm

Jimi hears his train a'comin

Take him away from this lonesome town. Take me with you, Jimi

484 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:28:03pm

re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist

You too?

RANT ON In what kind of a world do slaves belonging to a junkyard owner have their own little two-bedroom apartment on the outskirts of town? And why am I supposed to give a shit about the Jedi when they never even bothered to TRY to go back for the woman? RANT OFF

I also have a problem with the slaver junkyard owner, Watto. To me it kind of looks like Lucas was going for a subtle version of this, which only succeeds because it is so intentionally crass and blunt.

485 brookly red  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:28:16pm

re: #482 talon_262

Probably Milwaukee's Best or some other suckass beer...

oh the horror....

486 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:28:23pm

re: #475 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, in spades. How goes it, Darth Raith?

Ok, I suppose. Finding a job is teh hard! No one seems to be hiring in the city. Sigh.

487 The Left  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:28:56pm

In Rebuke To GOP, House Votes 416-0 To Ban Misleading 'Census' Mailers

The House has voted 416-0 to ban misleading mailers designed to look like official communications from the Census Bureau of the kind that two national Republican groups recently sent out.

488 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:29:38pm

re: #468 The Sanity Inspector

Best of luck. I have no kids myself, but I figure if you raise 'em and they don't end up in a crack house or on a stripper pole, then you've done your job right.

489 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:29:44pm

Wow, SFZ, you are really into Star Wars. You take that shit seriously.

490 Aye Pod  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:29:50pm

If Star Wars is sci-fi, then "He Man and the Masters of the Universe" is Sci-Fi too.

491 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:29:59pm

re: #384 Cato the Elder

Upding except for the part about "laying the world at your feet".

That is Ayn Randian bullshit.

Vonnegut was right: we should prepare our kids to be good people, and failures. Because given the shite-tripe we feed them about dreams of glory and success, that is what all of them will end up feeling like.

Mine are too young for me to start talking about bringing them down for a soft landing. They're still going through their ignition sequence on the launching pad. Of course the world will masticate them, like it does everyone at some point. So I want to equip them with good attitudes to carry them through. They will hear all kinds of "reach for the stars" arm-waving, NTTAWWT, my concern is to give them mindsets that will get them beyond merely wishing for them.

Life must be lived forwards, but can only be understood backwards.
-- Sören Kierkegaard

492 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:30:54pm

re: #489 cliffster

Wow, SFZ, you are really into Star Wars. You take that shit seriously.

In my home, I should mention, I am the one who hardly cares about Star Wars. My husband can't understand how I can be so indifferent to The Great Works of Lucas.

493 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:30:58pm

re: #489 cliffster

Wow, SFZ, you are really into Star Wars. You take that shit seriously.

Star Wars is life.
...or was it victory...
ah hell.
;)

494 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:31:10pm

re: #490 Jimmah

If Star Wars is sci-fi, then "He Man and the Masters of the Universe" is Sci-Fi too.

Space opera, really.

495 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:31:29pm

re: #384 Cato the Elder

Upding except for the part about "laying the world at your feet".

That is Ayn Randian bullshit.

Vonnegut was right: we should prepare our kids to be good people, and failures. Because given the shite-tripe we feed them about dreams of glory and success, that is what all of them will end up feeling like.

And by the way, TSI: my dad hung up a similar piece of supposed wisdom when I was a kid, and quoted it verbatim anytime he thought it applied.

"Fix thou our steps O God so that we stagger not at the uneven motions of the earth but go steadily on our way neither censuring the journey by the weather we meet nor turning aside for anything that may befall us."

I can't remember what asshole wrote that, but I can still do it by rote.

At the age of six I knew it was full of bullshit, lies and bad advice.

"The uneven motions of the earth"? So OK, there are earthquakes, but otherwise WTF is the point there?

As for setting out on a journey and never turning aside, why set out at all, then? You can just have someone send you a postcard of your destination.

As Pastor Book says to Kaylee when she asks him why he doesn't care about the ship's destination:

"Because getting there is the worthier part."

Be really careful what precepts you nail to the wall. You'd do better with puzzling works of art.

496 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:32:42pm

re: #472 Killgore Trout

A c'mon, the dudes arm was a claw, squiddy thing and he had a weapon that made people implode. That shit is messy!

497 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:33:02pm

re: #493 Varek Raith

Star Wars is life.
...or was it victory...
ah hell.
;)

Joss Whedon is my master now.

498 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:33:04pm

re: #486 Varek Raith

Ok, I suppose. Finding a job is teh hard! No one seems to be hiring in the city. Sigh.

There are some people hiring around me, and I may well need a new job. I made it through the worry today and even did well selling, but the day just kept getting worse and worse. I expect to still keep my job (though I may lose it), but its very, very hard right now, so I'm looking elsewhere.

499 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:33:30pm

re: #497 Cato the Elder

Joss Whedon is my master now.

Now Firefly. Highly moral sci fi.

500 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:33:52pm

re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist

Have you read Ian M. Banks yet, SFZ?

501 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:33:54pm

Speaking of video games:

The Video Game Bosses' Lament

502 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:33:58pm

re: #488 Slumbering Behemoth

Best of luck. I have no kids myself, but I figure if you raise 'em and they don't end up in a crack house or on a stripper pole, then you've done your job right.

Ignore the incorrect title.

503 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:34:19pm

re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist

Now Firefly. Highly moral sci fi.

I am still bitter about that being canceled.

504 Kragar  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:34:30pm

Off to dinner, later.

505 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:34:49pm

re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist

Now Firefly. Highly moral sci fi.

Family-values sci-fi. In the best sense of the phrase.

506 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:34:52pm

re: #500 Obdicut

Have you read Ian M. Banks yet, SFZ?

No. He is on my long, long list, though. What would you recommend I begin with?

507 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:35:16pm

re: #503 Jadespring

I am still bitter about that being canceled.

So are they, to judge from the conversation on the DVD commentary.

508 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:35:19pm

re: #482 talon_262

Probably Milwaukee's Best or some other suckass beer...

Meister brau

509 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:35:35pm

re: #503 Jadespring

I am still bitter about that being canceled.

Indeed. I also think the SciFi channel can go to hell for canceling Farscape.

510 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:36:03pm

re: #503 Jadespring

I am still bitter about that being canceled.

Can you imagine what Whedon could have done with a few full seasons?

"Buffy" and "Angel" were just warmups. We lost something mighty precious there.

511 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:36:04pm

I don't live today

Maybe tomorrow, I just can't tell you...

512 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:36:16pm

re: #483 cliffster

Jimi hears his train a'comin


[Video]Take him away from this lonesome town. Take me with you, Jimi

Galactic Muddy Waters, somebody called this. Damn...Forty years on, and he still sounds like he's being beamed in from the future.

513 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:36:36pm

re: #491 The Sanity Inspector

Cool beans. I didn't get the "shoot for the moon" crap growing up. I got the "Forget the shooting for moon, aim for that mud puddle, 'cuz that's the best you're gonna do".

/not really

514 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:36:43pm

re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist

What this priest did is not normative in the Catholic community, and if O'Reilly is a Catholic he understands how extreme it is to deny a child a Catholic education just to show disapproval of the parents.

Exactly. The kid's not gay. The parents aren't "raising the kid gay". That's not how it works. I was raised raised with nary a mention of "gay", pro or con. I now hear that "gay" is a choice, a lifestyle. But I can't imagine making that "choice". Who would "choose" to be a pariah to much of society?

It's like waking up one day and saying, "Goshdarnit, from now on, I'm gonna be a necrophiliac!".

You are born with your sexuality, by and large, just as you are born with blue, brown, or hazel eyes; black, brown, pale or red hair. It's a roll of the genetic dice.

Another reason (and maybe a big one) for rejecting natural selection, among those who are wont to do so.

515 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:37:23pm

re: #506 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, they're all fucking astonishing achievements. Go with Consider Phlebas, since it's the first one about the Culture.

But my favorites are The Use Of Weapons (which is about genocide, murder, power, and evil, yay) and The Player of Games (which is about the limits of relative morality).

516 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:37:33pm

re: #513 Slumbering Behemoth

Shoot for the moon but love yourself if you land in the mud.

517 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:37:40pm

re: #512 The Sanity Inspector

Galactic Muddy Waters, somebody called this. Damn...Forty years on, and he still sounds like he's being beamed in from the future.

Future? That's the problem - not including enough dimensions

518 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:37:43pm

re: #509 Varek Raith

Indeed. I also think the SciFi channel can go to hell for canceling Farscape.

I agree.

519 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:38:50pm

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist

If people get to hurt others, and make stupid decisions, and still get held up as models of excellence, and have none of their failings seriously examined

Oh, you mean like during an election campaign? I think I understand.

Moral sci fi? It's a sliding scale. Not all authors examine moral issues very much. Samuel Delaney comes to mind. I could discuss fantasy fiction in more detail.

There are some hard-core sci-fi lovers** who are perpetually DISGUSTED and fervently disappointed that [name any author]'s latest (or most popular) work isn't the sci-fi equivalent of "The Brothers Karamazov" or "As I Lay Dying".

Are YOU one of THEM? *Eyes you wearily*

520 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:39:25pm

re: #463 prairiefire

British Tories are MidWest Democrats.

Yup.

521 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:40:03pm

re: #510 Cato the Elder

Can you imagine what Whedon could have done with a few full seasons?

"Buffy" and "Angel" were just warmups. We lost something mighty precious there.

I try not to imagine. It pains me to think about it.

The other cancellation that pains me is Deadwood.

522 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:40:48pm

A night of Jimi ain't complete without a chat with the Voodoo Child

523 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:40:55pm

re: #514 austin_blue

Hanging around my awesome gay friends lets me know I'm not gay, or I'd totally want to do them, because they're awesome.

I don't get the choice thing. I can't suddenly decide to start finding my friend Justin attractive in that way.

Anyone who describes it as a choice I think has a high chance of being gay. It doesn't make any sense to me otherwise. I know there wasn't a choice for me, so to me it just seems like someone who 'chose' to 'not be gay', as in, chose to hide that they're gay.

524 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:41:24pm

re: #519 negativ

Eying you warily.

525 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:41:33pm

re: #521 Jadespring

Was Rome cancelled, or did they just bow out gracefully? Because I friggin' loved that show, too.

Though I preferred the younger Augustus.

526 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:42:17pm

re: #521 Jadespring

I try not to imagine. It pains me to think about it.

The other cancellation that pains me is Deadwood.

You don't want to play the "Cocksucker" drinking game with hard liquor on that one.

Sooooooo wasted!!

527 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:42:27pm

re: #523 Obdicut

I wish loving hamburgers was a choice.

528 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:43:00pm

Defying Gravity was also canceled... Sigh.
Wasn't completely my type of scifi but, dammit, it was something.

529 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:43:24pm

re: #525 Obdicut

Was Rome cancelled, or did they just bow out gracefully? Because I friggin' loved that show, too.

Though I preferred the younger Augustus.

The intention there was always two seasons. It was a limited run, and that's often the way of the best shows. That way there's a fixed endpoint, and the lack of need to 'reinvent' keeps the show from jumping the shark.

530 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:43:29pm

re: #527 cliffster

Damn you! They're right up the street! Some of the best burgers you'll ever have!

[Link: sanfrancisco.citysearch.com...]

They're just plain nice fatty spiced burgers, but god they go down good.

531 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:44:07pm

re: #517 cliffster

Future? That's the problem - not including enough dimensions

I mean, people have finally figured out how he got his sound, by now. Thanks to microprocessors, you can get his tone just by hitting Enter on a black box. It's a long way from his tools of reverb, fuzztone, and ear-shattering volume. But, how innanameachrist did he dream up these sonic visions? Who gave him permission? Where did these trips come from? *shakes head*

I was the hot-shot guitarist on the block--I thought I was it. I went across the street and saw him. Hendrix knew who I was, and that day, in front of my eyes, he burned me to death. I didn't even get my guitar out. H-bombs were going off, guided missiles were flying--I can't tell you the sounds he was getting out of his instrument. . . . How he did this, I wish I understood. He just got right up in my face with that axe, and I didn't even want to pick up a guitar for the next year.
--Mike Bloomfield

532 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:44:09pm

re: #519 negativ

There are some hard-core sci-fi lovers** who are perpetually DISGUSTED and fervently disappointed that [name any author]'s latest (or most popular) work isn't the sci-fi equivalent of "The Brothers Karamazov" or "As I Lay Dying".

Are YOU one of THEM? *Eyes you wearily*

I like light reading with laser guns as well as anyone. (Actually, if I had to pick a genre these days, it would probably be mysteries. And I will read a page-turning cozy with no particular distinguishing quality very happily.) I don't need Major Big Writing to enjoy something, in fact, really, I can do without it. My idea of bliss used to be a new Robert Tannenbaum, back before he went weird.

I just don't like it when writers presume to write about the struggle between Good and Evil, and the only way you can tell the good guys is they're wearing the Jedi outfits.

Weirdly enough, I have some similar issues with Andrew Greeley of all people. (Yeah, you can drag me out and shoot me for heresy right now.)

533 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:44:13pm

re: #529 Dark_Falcon

That makes sense. I just want a ROME II, with a similarly limited scope, during the time of Marcus Aurelius.

534 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:44:27pm

re: #525 Obdicut

Was Rome cancelled, or did they just bow out gracefully? Because I friggin' loved that show, too.

Though I preferred the younger Augustus.

I think it was canceled but they knew long enough before hand to write for it. As well the seasons were fairly well contained so it didn't leave anything totally hanging.

535 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:44:29pm

re: #523 Obdicut

Hanging around my awesome gay friends lets me know I'm not gay, or I'd totally want to do them, because they're awesome.

I don't get the choice thing. I can't suddenly decide to start finding my friend Justin attractive in that way.

Anyone who describes it as a choice I think has a high chance of being gay. It doesn't make any sense to me otherwise. I know there wasn't a choice for me, so to me it just seems like someone who 'chose' to 'not be gay', as in, chose to hide that they're gay.

Exactly. Gay friend of mine, Baylor grad, meets another grad and says "Gay or Baptist?".

536 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:44:54pm

re: #516 Cato the Elder

Shoot for the moon but love yourself if you land in the mud.

If the mud is full of wrastlin' women, then I'll let someone else worry about the damn moon, and if I play my cards right I won't need to "love myself".

537 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:45:21pm

Oooh! New thread! Shiny!

538 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:46:52pm

re: #529 Dark_Falcon

The intention there was always two seasons. It was a limited run, and that's often the way of the best shows. That way there's a fixed endpoint, and the lack of need to 'reinvent' keeps the show from jumping the shark.

That's cool. I didn't know that. I read talk about it possibly continuing because it was so well received so I guess they decided to just leave it with the original plan.

539 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:48:32pm

re: #530 Obdicut

Damn you! They're right up the street! Some of the best burgers you'll ever have!

[Link: sanfrancisco.citysearch.com...]

They're just plain nice fatty spiced burgers, but god they go down good.

Sweet! Favorited so that when I'm down San Francisco way I can definitely go there.

If you're ever in Austin, gotta go to Mighty Fine for a burger. Absolutely amazing. AND, they use nothing but natural, well-treated, naturally raised meat.

540 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:49:40pm

re: #531 The Sanity Inspector

He was a channel. Plain and simple

541 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:49:59pm

re: #531 The Sanity Inspector

Who gave him permission? Where did these trips come from?

Now, may I suggest you play Jimi for your kidz and show them pictures by Dali and M.C. Escher? Much better than "iffy" poems by wannabe Kiplings.

(((Sanity)))

542 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:52:05pm

re: #538 Jadespring

That's cool. I didn't know that. I read talk about it possibly continuing because it was so well received so I guess they decided to just leave it with the original plan.

The problem with extending the run would have been the lack of upheavals after Augustus took the throne. They'd have had to start all over from a later point and it would have been quite risky. No, they were right to end things when they did.

543 cliffster  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:52:12pm

Listening to Hendrix has me feeling whole again. Good night to all, and to all a good night.

544 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:53:20pm

re: #523 Obdicut

Hanging around my awesome gay friends lets me know I'm not gay, or I'd totally want to do them, because they're awesome.

I don't get the choice thing. I can't suddenly decide to start finding my friend Justin attractive in that way.

Anyone who describes it as a choice I think has a high chance of being gay. It doesn't make any sense to me otherwise. I know there wasn't a choice for me, so to me it just seems like someone who 'chose' to 'not be gay', as in, chose to hide that they're gay.

I think that there's an element of choice in sexuality for some people, and I think there's a big element of social framing and conditioning. But I have to believe that, as heavily stigmatized as homosexuality continues to be in this time and place, people do not just announce they're gonna be gay for the fun of it. You have to have a pretty high stake in choosing one gender if you're going to choose the 'wrong' one.

The literary throw-away line I always think of in the context of this discussion is from Mary Renault's novel about the Peloponnesian War, The Last of the Wine, when the narrator comments that he realized a long time ago that his friend (who happens to be Xenophon), just can't form a romantic relationship with another man, it's always girls with him. He's not disapproving, perhaps a little sorry for him.

Imagine being that hard-core straight guy in Socrates' Athens.

(My husband, looking over my shoulder, comments: "I would be that hard-core straight guy.")

545 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:54:35pm

re: #532 SanFranciscoZionist

I just don't like it when writers presume to write about the struggle between Good and Evil, and the only way you can tell the good guys is they're wearing the Jedi outfits.

I think this is why Bladerunner tends to hold up so well with age. It's not that it's just gritty, but the exploration of moral and existential ambiguous boundaries. At the end of the director's cut the viewer is even left with the strong impression that Deckard himself might be a replicant.

546 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:55:23pm

re: #542 Dark_Falcon

The problem with extending the run would have been the lack of upheavals after Augustus took the throne. They'd have had to start all over from a later point and it would have been quite risky. No, they were right to end things when they did.

That makes sense.

Does "The Tudors" play on any channels in the US?

547 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:55:23pm

re: #544 SanFranciscoZionist

I
(My husband, looking over my shoulder, comments: "I would be that hard-core straight guy.")

The family that blogs together snogs together.

That's in the UD.

548 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:55:28pm

re: #525 Obdicut

Was Rome cancelled, or did they just bow out gracefully? Because I friggin' loved that show, too.

Though I preferred the younger Augustus.

The switch of actors threw me off.

I'm almost done with the second season now. BTW, Octavian NEEDS to learn how to wade in at the shallow end of a conversation. Jesus, kid. Try to bring up the BDSM angle AFTER the two of you have slept together. Try some light spanking or something. Frevvinsake!

549 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:56:02pm

re: #523 Obdicut

Hanging around my awesome gay friends lets me know I'm not gay, or I'd totally want to do them, because they're awesome.

I don't get the choice thing. I can't suddenly decide to start finding my friend Justin attractive in that way.

Anyone who describes it as a choice I think has a high chance of being gay. It doesn't make any sense to me otherwise. I know there wasn't a choice for me, so to me it just seems like someone who 'chose' to 'not be gay', as in, chose to hide that they're gay.

So far there has been no "gay gene" discovered, a few false alarms notwithstanding. Yet the code that directs one's sexual preference is probably there in the genome, down in with all the other billions of genetic commands, waiting to be discovered. In the future, we may discover it. Further in the future, we may discover a way to re-direct it, reverse it, whatever. Some sort of gene therapy, to change people's sexual preferences, in contrast to the claptrap deprogramming therapy being peddled in some quarters.

So, a question: If that day ever rolls around, would it be wrong for a gay person who is unhappy with his orientation to avail himself of it? Why or why not? (Take it as a given that it would be most definitely wrong to forcibly change adults' inclinations.)

And how about minors? If there were some sort of pediatric test that could be given to children to determine their probable orientation, would it be wrong for their parents to medically intervene? Or would it be no more of a big deal than giving a child braces to correct an overbite?

Just some random posers, no flame intended or sought...

550 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:56:40pm

re: #523 Obdicut

Hanging around my awesome gay friends lets me know I'm not gay, or I'd totally want to do them, because they're awesome.

I don't get the choice thing. I can't suddenly decide to start finding my friend Justin attractive in that way.

Anyone who describes it as a choice I think has a high chance of being gay. It doesn't make any sense to me otherwise. I know there wasn't a choice for me, so to me it just seems like someone who 'chose' to 'not be gay', as in, chose to hide that they're gay.

One look at Jane Fonda in "Cat Ballou" when I was nine and I knew I liked grrrlz. No choice about it.

NTTAWWT.

551 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:56:51pm

re: #533 Obdicut

That makes sense. I just want a ROME II, with a similarly limited scope, during the time of Marcus Aurelius.

I don't like the Jewish angle very much, it feels poorly researched, and it's about a crucial hundred years or so off.

552 solomonpanting  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:57:39pm

re: #543 cliffster

Listening to Hendrix has me feeling whole again. Good night to all, and to all a good night.

Funny you should bring up Hendrizx. I believe Massa drew some inspiration from Purple Haze:

Excuse me
While I kiss this guy

553 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:57:52pm

re: #546 Jadespring

That makes sense.

Does "The Tudors" play on any channels in the US?

Yes, its on Showtime.

554 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:58:48pm

re: #552 solomonpanting

Funny you should bring up Hendrizx. I believe Massa drew some inspiration from Purple Haze:

Excuse me
While I kiss this guy

That's an error. The real lyric is "Excuse me while I kiss the sky."

555 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:59:28pm

re: #554 Dark_Falcon

I think he knows that.

556 Jadespring  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:59:33pm

re: #553 Dark_Falcon

Yes, its on Showtime.

Cool. I really like that one too. Not as much as Deadwood or Rome but it's fun and a lush historically based drama.

557 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:01:00pm

re: #544 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm trying to figure out gay marriage. Help me. (I gave up trying to figure out heterosexual marriage long ago.)
-- Fred Reed

558 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:01:10pm

re: #523 Obdicut

Anyone who describes it as a choice I think has a high chance of being gay. It doesn't make any sense to me otherwise. I know there wasn't a choice for me, so to me it just seems like someone who 'chose' to 'not be gay', as in, chose to hide that they're gay.

I know for a fact I didn't choose to be straight. I remember very well in fact that among my little circle of miscreant 8-to-10 year-old friends there was a hell of a lot of stigma against FAILING TO DISPARAGE GIRLS at exactly the time that I was starting to think that girls in general, and a couple of specific girls in particular, were humm yarruum hubba zaroo.

That last part doesn't mean anything to you, and it didn't mean anything to me at the time, either. I didn't know what or why or anything. I just thought That Was The Thing To Do.

But the thing is, if any of my friends had found out AT THAT TIME that I was secretly thinking that girls were actually humm yarruum hubba zaroo, and that I was starting to soften from my previously-held belief that girls were inherently inferior because they didn't bother even TRYING to jump their bikes off the 7' ramp I built, these so-called friends of mine would have dropped me like a blazing rhinoceros turd. There might even have been dangerous physical consequences.

So I hid my new-found preference for a few years.

Eventually I was outed; I became known as the BOY WHO LIKED GIRLS, OMG LOL.

559 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:02:11pm

re: #503 Jadespring

I am still bitter about that being canceled.

Gorram Fox.

560 solomonpanting  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:02:15pm

re: #554 Dark_Falcon

That's an error. The real lyric is "Excuse me while I kiss the sky."

Yes, I know. I was using one of music's great lyric misunderstandings.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to use one of Credence's restrooms. Oh, look...

There's a bathroom on the right

561 Kruk  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:04:23pm

re: #416 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Case in point: Han and Luke save Leia from the Death Star, Leia herself says its too easy, it must be a trick. Maybe they should fly off somewhere safe, search the ship, maybe try and make sure they didn't get followed?

Nope, set course for Yavin, got to make it to the secret base ASAP.

Jumping back in very late, but you might enjoy this:

[Link: www.cracked.com...]

562 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:04:55pm

re: #539 cliffster

Thanks. I tend to avoid Texas because I'm afraid the plane will get caught in Perry's hair, but if I'm in Austin, I'll definitely try that out.

563 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:06:08pm

re: #560 solomonpanting

Yes, I know. I was using one of music's great lyric misunderstandings.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to use one of Credence's restrooms. Oh, look...

There's a bathroom on the right

That particular kind of hearing problem even has a name.

"Lady Mondagreen."

From a song that mentions how they "laid him on the green"...

564 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:08:31pm

re: #549 The Sanity Inspector

So far there has been no "gay gene" discovered, a few false alarms notwithstanding. Yet the code that directs one's sexual preference is probably there in the genome, down in with all the other billions of genetic commands, waiting to be discovered. In the future, we may discover it. Further in the future, we may discover a way to re-direct it, reverse it, whatever. Some sort of gene therapy, to change people's sexual preferences, in contrast to the claptrap deprogramming therapy being peddled in some quarters.

So, a question: If that day ever rolls around, would it be wrong for a gay person who is unhappy with his orientation to avail himself of it? Why or why not? (Take it as a given that it would be most definitely wrong to forcibly change adults' inclinations.)

And how about minors? If there were some sort of pediatric test that could be given to children to determine their probable orientation, would it be wrong for their parents to medically intervene? Or would it be no more of a big deal than giving a child braces to correct an overbite?

Just some random posers, no flame intended or sought...

Oh, yeah, right at the tail end of the thread!

Some thoughts that may not add up to a total idea:

I hate the idea of people 'fixing' themselves to meet social norms, but if I'm down with a sex change, how can I deny a sexuality change? Much as it bothers me as a giving in to homophobia, it might be a blessing for someone.

I really hate the idea.

I can't see myself ever having anything done to change my kids that wasn't medically necessary. Being straight isn't. (OK, piercing their ears might be an exception to this rule.)

If my father thought I was going to deprive his granddaughter of the opportunity to be a lesbian, he might sue for custody. Or take the baby and leave the country.

I don't know anyone personally, I don't think, who'd make the switch. Or if they would, they haven't told me.

I wonder if anyone would want to become gay. I've known some women to joke about that--they'd date women if they could just figure out how to get into them sexually.

Very complicated stuff, this.

565 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:09:37pm

re: #557 The Sanity Inspector

I'm trying to figure out gay marriage. Help me. (I gave up trying to figure out heterosexual marriage long ago.)
-- Fred Reed

A gay rabbi of my acquaintance likes to say that heterosexual couples are in the ultimate mixed marriages.

566 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:10:36pm

re: #560 solomonpanting

Yes, I know. I was using one of music's great lyric misunderstandings.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to use one of Credence's restrooms. Oh, look...

There's a bathroom on the right

Secret Asian man...

567 solomonpanting  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:13:10pm

re: #563 Cato the Elder

Thanks for the lesson.

568 Kruk  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:13:58pm

re: #550 Cato the Elder

One look at Jane Fonda in "Cat Ballou" when I was nine and I knew I liked grrrlz. No choice about it.

NTTAWWT.

I figured it out at the same age, but that was due to my crush on Marie Curie.
(I was a dorky kid.)

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

569 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:14:58pm

re: #521 Jadespring

I try not to imagine. It pains me to think about it.

The other cancellation that pains me is Deadwood.

The Sarah Connor Chronicles COULD have achieved "X-Files" levels of TV awesomeness.

The first 2/3rds or so of the first series were "okay", but incoherent. There were plotlines that went nowhere... you could see potential, but it was very obviously wasted potential.

Well, sometime towards the end of the first season, someone apparently came up with an idea. With the exception of a few episodes (which we now know were shown out of their originally intended order due to various stupid reasons), the 2nd season improved and developed with each episode. A story arc was starting to coalesce, the writers had finally figured out who the characters were supposed to be, and the actors had figured out how to portray them.

Aaaand of course that meant that Fox moved the show to the Friday Night Death Slot and then pretended to wonder why the ratings tanked.

570 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:17:07pm

re: #564 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, yeah, right at the tail end of the thread!

Some thoughts that may not add up to a total idea:

I hate the idea of people 'fixing' themselves to meet social norms, but if I'm down with a sex change, how can I deny a sexuality change? Much as it bothers me as a giving in to homophobia, it might be a blessing for someone.

I really hate the idea.

I can't see myself ever having anything done to change my kids that wasn't medically necessary. Being straight isn't. (OK, piercing their ears might be an exception to this rule.)

If my father thought I was going to deprive his granddaughter of the opportunity to be a lesbian, he might sue for custody. Or take the baby and leave the country.

I don't know anyone personally, I don't think, who'd make the switch. Or if they would, they haven't told me.

I wonder if anyone would want to become gay. I've known some women to joke about that--they'd date women if they could just figure out how to get into them sexually.

Very complicated stuff, this.

Then there's this ugly possibility: What if there is ever an accurate prenatal test for detecting homosexuality? What's happening to the female population in China and India might happen to the gay population, possibly everywhere.

571 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:17:39pm

Of course there's a website: [Link: www.kissthisguy.com...]

572 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:18:26pm

re: #471 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

What is 40k? I'm an uber sci fi geek but I've never heard of this before. Were movies made?

573 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:24:29pm

Okay, a little something for the sci-fi stragglers on this thread, from the defunct humor blog Happy Fun Pundit

Top Ten Things I Hate About Star Trek

10. Noisy doors.
You can't walk three feet in a starship without some door whooshing or screeching at you. My office building has automatic sliding doors. They're dead silent. If those doors went "wheet!" every time a person walked through them, about once a month some guy in accounting would snap and go on a shooting rampage. Sorry Scotty, the IEEE has revoked your membership until you learn to master WD-40.

9. The Federation.
This organization creeps me out. A planet-wide government that runs everything, and that has abolished money. A veritable planetary DMV. Oh sure, it looks like a cool place when you're rocketing around in a Federation Starship, but I wonder how the guy driving a Federation dump truck feels about it? And everyone has to wear those spandex uniforms. Here's an
important fact: Most people, you don't want to see them in spandex. You'd pay good money to not have to see them. If money hadn't been abolished, that is. So you're screwed.

8. Reversing the Polarity.
For cripes sake Giordi, stop reversing the polarity of everything! It might work once in a while, but usually it just screws things up. I have it on good authority that the technicians at Starbase 12 HATE that. Every time the Enterprise comes in for its 10,000 hour checkup, they've gotta go through the whole damned ship fixing stuff. "What happened to the toilet in Stateroom 3?" "Well, the plumbing backed up, and Giordi thought he could fix it by reversing the polarity." Between Scotty's poor lubrication habits and Geordi's damned polarity reversing trick, it's a wonder the Enterprise doesn't just spontaneously explode whenever they put the juice to it.

7. Seatbelts.
Yeah, I know this one is overdone, but you'd think that the first time an explosion caused the guy at the nav station to fly over the captain's head with a good 8 feet of clearance, someone would say, "You know, we might think of inventing some furutistic restraining device to prevent that from happening." So of course, they did make something like that for the second Enterprise (the first one blew up due to poor lubrication), but what was it? A hard plastic thing that's locked over your thighs. Oh, I'll bet THAT feels good in the corners. "Hey look! The leg-bars worked as advertised! There goes Kirk's torso!"

6. No fuses.
Every time there's a power surge on the Enterprise the various stations and consoles explode in a shower of sparks and throw their seatbelt-less operators over Picard's head. If we could get Giordi to stop reversing the polarity for a minute, we could get him to go shopping at the nearest Starship parts store and pick up a few fuses. And while he's shopping, he could stop at an intergalactic IKEA and pick up a few chairs for the bridge personnel. If you're going to put me in front of a fuseless exploding console all day, the least you could do is let me sit down.

5. Rule by committee.
Here's the difference between Star Trek and the best SF show on TV last year:
Star Trek:
Picard: "Arm photon torpedoes!"
Riker: "Captain! Are you sure that's wise?"
Troi: "Captain! I'm picking up conflicting feelings about this! And, it appears that you're a 'fraidy cat."
Wesley: "Captain, I'm just an annoying punk, but I thought I should say something."
Worf: "Captain, can I push the button? This is giving me a big Klingon
warrior chubby."
Giordi: "Captain, I think we should reverse the polarity on them first."
Picard: "I'm so confused. I'm going to go to my stateroom and look pensive."

Firefly:
Captain: "Let's shoot them."
Crewman: "Are you sure that's wise?"
Captain: "Do you know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I'll BEAT YOU WITH until you realize who's in command."
Crewman: "Aye Aye, sir!"

4. A Star Trek quiz:
Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and 'Ensign Gomez' beam down to a planet. Which one isn't coming back?

574 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:26:05pm

con't.

3. Technobabble.
The other night, I couldn't get my car to start. I solved the problem by reversing the polarity of the car battery, and routing the power through my satellite dish. The resulting subspace plasma caused a rift in the space-time continuum, which created a quantum tunneling effect that charged the protons in the engine core, thus starting my car. Child's play, really. As a happy side-effect, I also now get the Spice Channel for free.

2. The Holodeck.
I mean, it's cool and all. But do you really believe that people would use it to re-create Sherlock Holmes mysteries and old-west saloons? Come on, we all know what the holodeck would be used for. And we also know what the worst job on the Enterprise would be: Having to squeegie the holodeck clean.

1. The Prime Directive.
How stupid is this? Remember when Marvin the Martian was going to blow up the Earth, because it obstructed his view of Venus? And how Bugs Bunny stopped him by stealing the Illudium Q36 Space Modulator? Well, in the Star Trek universe, Bugs would be doing time. Probably in a room filled with Roseanne lookalikes wearing spandex uniforms, walking through doors going WHEET! all day. It would be hell. At least until the Kaboom. The Earth-shattering Kaboom.

575 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:31:26pm

re: #562 Obdicut

Thanks. I tend to avoid Texas because I'm afraid the plane will get caught in Perry's hair, but if I'm in Austin, I'll definitely try that out.

Trust me, Perry's hair doesn't give half a shit about any runway. What he and his hair DO care about is making sure that every fucking state highway in Texas is a toll road, because Texas is PRO-BUSINESS. And that is TOTALLY just intended to be for the greater good of the citizens of Texas, and has NOTHING to do with kick-backs or special favors or anything like that. Trust me.

576 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:34:28pm

re: #573 The Sanity Inspector

I think I read a more coherent version of this on a textfile BBS circa 1991 or so.

577 Kruk  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:35:00pm

re: #574 The Sanity Inspector

2. The Holodeck.
I mean, it's cool and all. But do you really believe that people would use it to re-create Sherlock Holmes mysteries and old-west saloons? Come on, we all know what the holodeck would be used for. And we also know what the worst job on the Enterprise would be: Having to squeegie the holodeck clean.

The holodeck has a morality failsafe. Yeah, I know some people with a speech impediment call it a mortality failure, but but you just put the image of Dr Crusher practicing the "Picard Manoever" in my head, so.....

578 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:42:58pm

re: #573 The Sanity Inspector

Okay, a little something for the sci-fi stragglers on this thread, from the defunct humor blog Happy Fun Pundit

Top Ten Things I Hate About Star Trek

4. A Star Trek quiz:
Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and 'Ensign Gomez' beam down to a planet. Which one isn't coming back?

Is Gomez wearing a red shirt? ;)

579 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 7:46:24pm

re: #570 The Sanity Inspector

Then there's this ugly possibility: What if there is ever an accurate prenatal test for detecting homosexuality? What's happening to the female population in China and India might happen to the gay population, possibly everywhere.

I know, and I really, really, hate that thought.

580 BaseballMom57  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 8:10:47pm

re: #124 Ericus58

I'm pretty much the same way, although on Open Threads I may post a comment or two. I enjoy the very witty and very smart banter, and upding when something makes me laugh out loud or if I strongly agree with it. Sometimes I don't read LGF for days at a time, sometimes longer, if life gets in the way. For instance, I was totally unaware of Sharmuta's leaving until the other day, and I have no idea why.

581 solomonpanting  Wed, Mar 10, 2010 8:41:14pm

re: #580 BaseballMom57

I was totally unaware of Sharmuta's leaving until the other day, and I have no idea why.

Me neither.
Back on topic, what better way to finish this thread, given it's title:

House leader: Ethics panel ends Massa probe

582 Guanxi88  Thu, Mar 11, 2010 7:06:32am

re: #256 Stanley Sea

Hope you are getting a cut!

So do I!


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