Rep. Cantor Says the Window of His Office Was Shot

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Fox News reports that someone took a shot at Republican Rep. Eric Cantor’s Richmond campaign office last night.

TPM has more details on the story.

House Minority Whip Eric Cantor just gave a brief speech accusing Democrats of using reports of recent threats of violence for political gain, and saying someone shot a bullet through the window of his campaign office this week.

“I’ve received threats since I assumed elected office, not only because of my positions, but because i am Jewish,” Cantor said. “I’ve never blamed anyone in this body for that. Period. Any suggestion that a leader in this body that would incite threats or acts against other members is akin to saying that i would endanger myself, my wife or my children.”

Cantor said a bullet was shot through the window of his Richmond, Va., campaign office this week, and that he’s gotten threatening emails. “I will not release them because I believe such actions will only encourage more to be sent,” he said.

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1 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:29:37am

And like Cantor said, this is all the Democrats fault. Encouraging their constituents to be as loud and unruly as possible at town hall meetings. Encouraging that weapons be brought to public events. Openly labeling the Health Care Bill treasonous, dangerous, unconstitutional, deadly.

2 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:29:48am

From twitter: Peter Hamby CNN (hambypCNN)

"correction: the bullet was fired at Cantor's campaign office in Richmond, not his district office
33 minutes ago via web

Richmond Police Dept confirms a bullet was fired at Eric Cantor's district office over the weekend. They are investigating.
39 minutes ago via web"

In case anyone thought it was just Cantor making things up. I haven't seen anyone say that explicitly but I do see a lot of "FOX says..." "Cantor says..." etc.

Here is CNN confirming via Police Department.

3 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:31:19am

re: #2 Joo-LiZ

The story's changing. Now it happened "over the weekend."

The time has been moving backward -- the first Fox News report said it happened last night. TPM said Monday. Now it's "over the weekend."

Something doesn't smell right here.

4 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:31:44am

re: #1 drcordell

And like Cantor said, this is all the Democrats fault. Encouraging their constituents to be as loud and unruly as possible at town hall meetings. Encouraging that weapons be brought to public events. Openly labeling the Health Care Bill treasonous, dangerous, unconstitutional, deadly.

Just from the quoted section in the post -- he didn't say it's the Democrats fault. He said the Democrats are using the threats for political gain.

Which isn't entirely untrue. These actions help paint HCR opposition as rabid maniacs.

Which means HCR opponents who AREN'T rabid maniacs should step up and tell the maniacs to go away.

5 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:32:13am

Obviously a right wing "black op" to make the left look bad.

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6 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:32:36am

I'm trying to avoid being unduly skeptical about this report, but something is not adding up. Why are we only hearing about this now, in a statement by Cantor blaming Democrats for encouraging violence? What's with the ever-changing timeline?

And Cantor's point about receiving antisemitic threats is a non sequitur. No member of Congress is inciting antisemites with extreme rhetoric.

7 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:33:13am

re: #1 drcordell

Did you forget a sarc tag?

8 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:34:10am

Late late update: The Associated Press is calling this a "possible gunshot" and describes the office as that of a political consultant for Cantor, not his campaign office.

But Cantor's spokesman, Brad Dayspring, tells TPMDC that it was indeed his campaign office.

Late late late update: From the local paper: "Cantor, in an interview with the Richmond Times-Dispatch, said he doesn't know whether the shot was random or aimed at the building."

This is really confusing for something that happened three days ago.

9 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:34:57am

re: #7 eclectic infidel

Did you forget a sarc tag?

I'm of the opinion that he didn't need one. To each his own, though.

10 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:34:59am

Soon each side will be comparing body counts.

Let's just call out the elephant in the room. That seems to be what we expect to happen isn't it?

11 sffilk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:35:15am

re: #6 Charles

I'm trying to avoid being unduly skeptical about this report, but something is not adding up. Why are we only hearing about this now, in a statement by Cantor blaming Democrats for encouraging violence? What's with the ever-changing timeline?

And Cantor's point about receiving antisemitic threats is a non sequitur. No member of Congress is inciting antisemites with extreme rhetoric.

What're you thinking it is, oh discoverer of things that are false?

12 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:36:08am

re: #11 sffilk

What're you thinking it is, oh discoverer of things that are false?

Seems to me like they found a random hole in one of the windows of a campaign office and are working backwards to try and turn it into an attack on Cantor.

13 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:36:22am

Is it OK to be sick and tired of all the bullshit streaming in from both sides? Fuck them all at this point. I'm tired of whiny bitches demanding everyone pick a side. They're all turning out to be assholes.

14 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:36:26am

re: #8 JasonA

Late late update: The Associated Press is calling this a "possible gunshot" and describes the office as that of a political consultant for Cantor, not his campaign office.

But Cantor's spokesman, Brad Dayspring, tells TPMDC that it was indeed his campaign office.

Late late late update: From the local paper: "Cantor, in an interview with the Richmond Times-Dispatch, said he doesn't know whether the shot was random or aimed at the building."

This is really confusing for something that happened three days ago.

Good grief. Now it wasn't even Cantor's office, and it might have been a "random" shot.

Red flags all over the field.

15 uncah91  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:36:55am

Well, whenever it happened, whoever did it, they were wrong to do so.

And no-one should encourage this type of behavior.

And it is not OK to excuse it by saying that is understandable because people are so angry at Cantor for opposing HCR.

That should be it, period, end of story. This is not a case of two wrongs make a right.

16 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:37:58am

re: #7 eclectic infidel

Did you forget a sarc tag?

Sarc tags are for people who can't read. I trust you're not one of them?

17 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:38:17am

re: #12 drcordell

Any word on a bullet lodged in the wall directly across from the window.................?

There is a very easy way to verify this...........

18 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:38:21am

re: #15 uncah91

Well, whenever it happened, whoever did it, they were wrong to do so.

And no-one should encourage this type of behavior.

And it is not OK to excuse it by saying that is understandable because people are so angry at Cantor for opposing HCR.

That should be it, period, end of story. This is not a case of two wrongs make a right.

Why in God's name would anyone who is in favor of health care reform shoot at Cantor's office? The bill passed. They won. Cantor lost. Why would you threaten him?

19 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:38:24am

OK, let me see if I have this right. Cantor announces that his office had been shot at to illustrate his personal experience with the current violence. He does not say specifically what he believes might have been the cause. He then proceeds to say that announcing these events are exploitive and that these events should be left to law enforcement and goes on to say "enough is enough." He therefore is using this alleged shooting as a vehicle to make his own political statement which we can assume is targeted against Democrats. Seems to me like Cantor is engaging in a form of exploitation (as Cantor described it) himself according to this standard.

20 sffilk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:38:31am

I went back and read the original story. It says his Richmond office.

21 uncah91  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:39:03am

re: #18 drcordell

Why in God's name would anyone who is in favor of health care reform shoot at Cantor's office? The bill passed. They won. Cantor lost. Why would you threaten him?

I think you missed my point ...

22 Olsonist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:39:16am

Richmond is 109 miles for Washington DC in decidedly redder Virginia.

23 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:39:25am

re: #18 drcordell

Why in God's name would anyone who is in favor of health care reform shoot at Cantor's office? The bill passed. They won. Cantor lost. Why would you threaten him?

For being an obstructionist?

/

24 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:39:26am

Does anyone here think common sense is going to break out soon? Pelosi and Boehner(sp) both need to come out and tear the extremists left and right a new asshole. Someone is gonna get hurt or killed. This is starting to resemble politics in some places overseas that I visited.

25 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:39:29am

re: #18 drcordell

could be a RINO horn impacting the window...........

26 avanti  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:39:34am

re: #8 JasonA

Late late update: The Associated Press is calling this a "possible gunshot" and describes the office as that of a political consultant for Cantor, not his campaign office.

But Cantor's spokesman, Brad Dayspring, tells TPMDC that it was indeed his campaign office.

Late late late update: From the local paper: "Cantor, in an interview with the Richmond Times-Dispatch, said he doesn't know whether the shot was random or aimed at the building."

This is really confusing for something that happened three days ago.

So it went from Fox's headline that Cantor was shot at, to his office shot at, to a related office shot at, to a shot that may or may not have been directed at a related office ?
If it was directed at Cantor, there is no excuse what so ever, but I need more info.

27 sffilk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:39:59am

re: #26 avanti

So it went from Fox's headline that Cantor was shot at, to his office shot at, to a related office shot at, to a shot that may or may not have been directed at a related office ?
If it was directed at Cantor, there is no excuse what so ever, but I need more info.

Agreed.

28 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:40:02am

re: #10 Oh no...Sand People!

Soon each side will be comparing body counts.

Let's just call out the elephant in the room. That seems to be what we expect to happen isn't it?

Yes.
But I think in the end it will be some tea party guy trespassing/vandalizing the the wrong (as in, got the wrong damn address) home and getting shot by the homeowner.

29 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:40:10am

No wait! I think I got it now. Cantor isn't saying stop the lunacy. He's saying "stop talking about the lunacy."

30 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:40:12am

Maybe it was Robert Stacy McCain stirring the shit.

Nah. Doesn't have the balls.

31 countrockulot  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:40:26am

The outrageous "the other political party is the enemy" rhetoric is bad for both sides and bad for our country. Maybe instead of "But mom! She hit me first!" all of them can sit down together and act like grown-ups and release a joint statement signed by the president and all members of congress which states "Dear everybody, Health care reform is not ripping up the constitution or instituting tyranny or the death of the republic. It is just a policy that some of us think is good for our country and some of us think is bad. Anyone who tells you that it is the end of America/the world/freedom/grandma/etc. is crazy. You want the side who thinks it is/isn't bad to prevail, vote for them. That is kind of how America works. P.S. None of us think the other is Hitler."

32 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:40:38am

And the lie will have taken 2-3 laps around the United States before the truth is done getting its boots on.

:p

33 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:40:52am

re: #26 avanti

If it was directed at Cantor, there is no excuse what so ever, but I need more info.

If it was directed at anyone it's no excuse, but you're right. More information is a good thing.

34 rurality  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:41:08am

re: #18 drcordell

So they can get a big screamin crawl going on Fox and hold a press conference and yelp, "they do it too!!

35 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:41:25am

re: #29 Gus 802

No wait! I think I got it now. Cantor isn't saying stop the lunacy. He's saying "stop talking about the lunacy."

In a press conference he called to discuss the lunacy. Bwahahahaha.

36 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:42:04am

re: #31 countrockulot

Oh how i wish that would happen, but any R signing it would find himself with a serious primary challenge lickety split.

37 recusancy  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:42:10am

re: #24 pingjockey

Does anyone here think common sense is going to break out soon? Pelosi and Boehner(sp) both need to come out and tear the extremists left and right a new asshole. Someone is gonna get hurt or killed. This is starting to resemble politics in some places overseas that I visited.

If there were violent extremists on the left at this time I would agree with you. Who's asshole is Pelosi supposed to tear anew?

38 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:42:29am

re: #32 oaktree

And the lie will have taken 2-3 laps around the United States before the truth is done getting its boots on.

:p

The truth lost one of its boots. I think the dog ate it.

39 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:42:53am

re: #35 drcordell

In a press conference he called to discuss the lunacy. Bwahahahaha.

It's a head scratcher. "Let me tell you what happened but we [more like they] shouldn't be talking about it."

40 Mark Pennington  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:42:59am

Something smells very fishy indeed.

41 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:43:10am

To quote the NRCC for Mr. Cantor, "What you're seeing is a frustration among his constituents who believe he's not listening to them." Oh, wait...that only applies to Democrats who get attacked...never mind.

Cantor should do the brave thing and resign immediately in order to protect his family from his supporters.
/

42 windsword  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:44:06am

I don't see a politician making a false criminal complaint for political gain. Faking a crime in order to make a political point about a bill that's already passed isn't stupid, its full on idiotic. And believe or not, politicians aren't stupid. Making a small incident a huge deal is a different story. But making up a shooting? I don't think so.

I think it's the real deal.

43 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:44:09am

re: #26 avanti

So it went from Fox's headline that Cantor was shot at, to his office shot at, to a related office shot at, to a shot that may or may not have been directed at a related office ?
If it was directed at Cantor, there is no excuse what so ever, but I need more info.

Honestly, since I first saw this being reported on Fox an hour or so ago, the entire time I have read that it was shots fired at a Richmond campaign office.

Commenters are the ones who mis-read and say that Cantor was shot at.

I also haven't seen where the rumour of the DC office got started. I have only heard about Richmond from the beginning.

One thing Charles is definitely right about, is that the original story says it happened yesterday, and the CNN twitter confirmation from police say they are investigating an incident from the weekend.

The only thing that pops into my head immediately is that the HCR bill passed on Sunday, AIPAC was Mon/Tues/Wed so Cantor was busy over there and may not have been able to make a statement.

It would definitely be nice to see a clarification on the timeline.

44 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:44:23am

re: #37 recusancy
Please don't start. There are violent extremists on both sides, the eco nuts for one. But I will cede the point...the lunacy now seems to be from the extreme right.

45 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:45:43am

re: #42 windsword

I don't see a politician making a false criminal complaint for political gain. Faking a crime in order to make a political point about a bill that's already passed isn't stupid, its full on idiotic. And believe or not, politicians aren't stupid. Making a small incident a huge deal is a different story. But making up a shooting? I don't think so.

I think it's the real deal.

I don't think anybody doubts that something was fired though the window of his campaign office in Richmond. What's in doubt is that it is in any way, shape or form connected to health care reform. Considering now it appears as if it happened three days ago? And there was no accompanying threat? And it was just brought to light now?

46 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:46:32am

this is a big FUCKING deal ...

47 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:46:43am

re: #18 drcordell

Why in God's name would anyone who is in favor of health care reform shoot at Cantor's office? The bill passed. They won. Cantor lost. Why would you threaten him?

because crazy people do crazy things. Seems I've heard that before somewhere.

48 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:46:44am

"Window Killer!"

Could just be a teenager with a bb gun.

49 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:46:58am

re: #42 windsword

I don't see a politician making a false criminal complaint for political gain. Faking a crime in order to make a political point about a bill that's already passed isn't stupid, its full on idiotic. And believe or not, politicians aren't stupid. Making a small incident a huge deal is a different story. But making up a shooting? I don't think so.

I think it's the real deal.

We might be scratching our heads over the details, but I don't think anyone's said that it didn't happen.

50 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:47:05am

I don't believe Cantor would lie or mislead anyone about the event. He may have stayed quiet about it and/or deliberately vague about the incident at the request of law enforcement.

That seems likely to me, anyway.

51 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:47:23am

re: #46 _RememberTonyC

this is a big FUCKING deal ...

Linked that for you.

52 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:48:12am

re: #12 drcordell

Seems to me like they found a random hole in one of the windows of a campaign office and are working backwards to try and turn it into an attack on Cantor.

The problems in getting this story sorted out are probably due to muddle, more than anything else. We've all seen stories rocketing around the world, with the facts limping after them. Let's give them time to get things straight.

53 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:48:18am

re: #51 darthstar

Linked that for you.

That needs to be a t-shirt.

54 rurality  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:48:35am

re: #48 Rightwingconspirator
In my area all traffic signs and post boxes are the victims of these kind of serious hate crimes.

55 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:48:56am

Navin R. Johnson: He hates these cans windows. Stay away from the cans windows.

56 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:48:56am

re: #51 darthstar

Linked that for you.

is that supposed to be joe biden sitting on the steps next to the bill? there IS a resemblance

57 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:49:02am

By the way. Cantor's deputy press secretary is Megan Whittemore who is a former news producer for Fox News.

58 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:49:14am

re: #50 researchok

I don't believe Cantor would lie or mislead anyone about the event. He may have stayed quiet about it and/or deliberately vague about the incident at the request of law enforcement.

That seems likely to me, anyway.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but I still think Eric Cantor is a major league prick. Then again, being joined at the hip to John Boehner all the time would probably have that effect on just about anyone.

59 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:49:50am

re: #9 JasonA

That's cool. It struck me as sarcastic immediately. I was just concerned about a previous thread where someone's post was misconstrued.

60 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:50:48am

Even if we grant that some outraged leftist, perhaps misunderstanding the news, shot at Cantor's office window, I still don't get what Cantor is trying to say. The Democrats are not ratcheting up the rhetoric. That's obvious to anyone observing the situation.

It's the Rovian defense, but I'm not sure it has legs any more.

Oh, and this is lovely:

Pajamas Media Editor: Let's Bring Back Tar And Feathering -- And Maybe More

"This country has a fine tradition of tarring & feathering, and one I've come to the reluctant conclusion needs to come back," he wrote in response to a reader named Geekesque. "If the US Government considers that terrorism, consider the source."

Asked by another reader how far Green's "condoning of violence against us 'Nazi' liberals" goes, Green responded:

"That depends entirely on how much violence is done to our liberties by your idiotic policies. Right now, tar & feathers still seem extreme. Tomorrow? It's in your hands."

61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:51:05am

(shhh. don't tell anybody... I just left Richmond this morning. shhh.)

62 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:51:29am

re: #57 Gus 802

By the way. Cantor's deputy press secretary is Megan Whittemore who is a former news producer for Fox News.

Right. So everyone who works at Fox News is suspect.

I guess that would apply to Eason Jordan and CNN too, given their Iraq/Saddam indiscretions.

63 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:51:48am

re: #37 recusancy

If there were violent extremists on the left at this time I would agree with you. Who's asshole is Pelosi supposed to tear anew?

It doesn't matter whether there are violent extremists on the left right now.

That's NOT the point.

Right now the ability to maintain any sort of at least semi-civil discourse is threatened. This is a very bad thing. At some point people in leadership positions whether elected or holding the power of ideas have to take the high road and call this sort of way of doing politics for what it is and take the 'blame the other side or even indicating the other side is worse yadda yadda' outta it.

It's getting to the point where it isn't about sides or parties or whatever but about the political and reasonable discourse itself. This is a threat to every man woman and child in the country no matter where they 'politically' stand or lives. Countries that fall into this sort of base level of public discourse DO NOT function well no matter who happens to be in charge.

64 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:51:58am

re: #16 Cato the Elder

Sarc tags are for people who can't read. I trust you're not one of them?

The post struck me as very sarcastic. Dripping, in fact. I only mentioned it because in a previous thread, someone's post wasn't obvious and a minor pissing match ensued. That said, in retrospect, if it's obvious to me, odds are it's also glaringly obvious to everyone else. Alrighty then.

65 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:51:59am

re: #57 Gus 802

By the way. Cantor's deputy press secretary is Megan Whittemore who is a former news producer for Fox News.

Shocking that there is any sort of overlap between the GOP's media strategy and Fox News.

66 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:52:12am

re: #61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Throw the BB gun in the ocean.

67 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:52:14am

What's up with the latest GOP move: forcing all Congressional hearings to adjourn at 2:00 pm? On what level is that responsible governance?

68 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:52:23am

re: #62 researchok

Right. So everyone who works at Fox News is suspect.

I guess that would apply to Eason Jordan and CNN too, given their Iraq/Saddam indiscretions.

You are free to make of it what you will.

69 rurality  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:53:04am

re: #67 garhighway

its called the power pout.

70 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:53:25am

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Is it OK to be sick and tired of all the bullshit streaming in from both sides? Fuck them all at this point. I'm tired of whiny bitches demanding everyone pick a side. They're all turning out to be assholes.

yup...I don't like sides, parties, groups, lists...any of that shit

71 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:53:26am

re: #65 drcordell

Shocking that there is any sort of overlap between the GOP's media strategy and Fox News.

Actually, there is a long history on both sides of the aisle of people moving between jobs in the press and jobs in public service. Nothing wrong with that.

72 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:53:45am

re: #69 rurality

its called the power pout.

Country First

73 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:54:18am

re: #65 drcordell

Shocking that there is any sort of overlap between the GOP's media strategy and Fox News.

Fair and balanced. /

Except of course we can't say that you know. Ruffles the feathers. Meanwhile they're calling the media outside of their little Fox News world the "state run media" alongside other paranoid rantings such as Fox New's conspiracy regarding the jump to 11,000 point in the DOW.

74 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:54:23am

re: #53 RogueOne

That needs to be a t-shirt.

Done

75 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:54:25am

re: #65 drcordell
Oh fer... So Msnbc and the DNC don't have any strategy either?! And ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN do not have any leftward bias and are right straight down the middle fact only reportage?

76 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:54:31am

re: #71 garhighway

I wouldn't say there's nothing wrong with it, but it's completely common, yeah.

77 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:54:31am

re: #71 garhighway

Actually, there is a long history on both sides of the aisle of people moving between jobs in the press and jobs in public service. Nothing wrong with that.

It's just a coincidence that for Republicans the revolving door is between Fox News and their administrations.

78 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:55:09am

re: #72 garhighway

Country First

Yeah, but which country? :P

79 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:55:18am

re: #68 Gus 802

You are free to make of it what you will.

My point is simple. You can't tar and feather an entire group simply because you don't like their POV. If that becomes SOP, we're all screwed.

If there is proof this is phony, by all means rip 'em apart. Innuendo however is low ball.

80 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:55:35am

re: #67 garhighway

What's up with the latest GOP move: forcing all Congressional hearings to adjourn at 2:00 pm? On what level is that responsible governance?

It's not.
It is the Great Republican Temper Tantrum of 2010.

81 avanti  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:55:49am

re: #67 garhighway

What's up with the latest GOP move: forcing all Congressional hearings to adjourn at 2:00 pm? On what level is that responsible governance?

They're already delayed military guys that flew in to appear, on issues that should be important to every American, I don't get how that will help the GOP's labeling as the party on "No".

82 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:56:11am

re: #75 pingjockey

Oh fer... So Msnbc and the DNC don't have any strategy either?! And ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN do not have any leftward bias and are right straight down the middle fact only reportage?

I'm not going to get into this ludicrous argument with you. Long story short, no I don't believe there is collusion between the Democrats and any media organization like the coordination that exists between the GOP and Fox News. Nothing even close. Fox News literally serves as the media wing of the GOP. There is no analogy for the Democrats.

83 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:56:25am

re: #79 researchok

My point is simple. You can't tar and feather an entire group simply because you don't like their POV. If that becomes SOP, we're all screwed.

If there is proof this is phony, by all means rip 'em apart. Innuendo however is low ball.

Right. Innuendo is low ball but posting a million spin-offs 24/7 many of which are ripe with innuendo and misinformation is high ball.

84 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:57:09am

re: #77 drcordell

It's just a coincidence that for Republicans the revolving door is between Fox News and their administrations.

Is is just coincidence the revolving door is between NBC/CBS/ABC/CNN/MSNBC and democrats?

85 rurality  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:57:15am

re: #75 pingjockey

If those news agencies were so biased, why did they give so much publicity and legitimization to the Tea party movement? Their focus on the nuts and reporting the lies of the GOP without refutation, almost derailed HCR.

86 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:57:24am

re: #82 drcordell
Bwahahaha! Thanks for the laugh.

87 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:57:33am

re: #75 pingjockey

Oh fer... So Msnbc and the DNC don't have any strategy either?! And ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN do not have any leftward bias and are right straight down the middle fact only reportage?

not like FOX and the RNC.

and really?
CNN?
Left leaning?
hahahahahahaha

(I laugh in your general direction for the rest too)

I'll give you that MSNBC is more liberal, but maybe it is just more into reality and truth.

88 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:57:45am

re: #62 researchok

Right. So everyone who works at Fox News is suspect.

Nope.

It's just that her possible access to old contacts could have got this bumped from a local story where the details aren't in yet to a national one where the details aren't in yet.

89 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:57:52am

re: #6 Charles

I'm trying to avoid being unduly skeptical about this report, but something is not adding up. Why are we only hearing about this now, in a statement by Cantor blaming Democrats for encouraging violence? What's with the ever-changing timeline?

And Cantor's point about receiving antisemitic threats is a non sequitur. No member of Congress is inciting antisemites with extreme rhetoric.

I believe he is saying that he knows what it's like to have threats against his person, and gives the example of threats because he's Jewish. Therefore he would be the last person to want to incite threats--to encourage hostility as a way of protest. He's not talking about antisemites, just using his personal experience as a target.

Just about all the reported incidents have targeted Democratic members in the wake of their support for health care reform, but Cantor today blasted Democrats -- calling out two party leaders in particular -- for "ratcheting up the rhetoric" surrounding the dangerous threats and blaming Republicans for inciting the hostility.

"I've received threats since I assumed elected office, not only because of my position but also because I'm Jewish," Cantor said. "Any suggestion that a leader in this body would incite threats... is akin to saying I would endanger myself, my wife or my children."

CBS News

90 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:58:04am

re: #78 JasonA

Yeah, but which country? :P

Jesusland of course. All those godless hippies and liberals aren't real Americans.

/

91 Olsonist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:58:19am

re: #84 RogueOne

You have a lot of acronyms. Got any names?

92 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:58:38am

re: #85 rurality

If those news agencies were so biased, why did they give so much publicity and legitimization to the Tea party movement? Their focus on the nuts and reporting the lies of the GOP without refutation, almost derailed HCR.

One lone network, on cable, almost brought down HCR?

93 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:59:13am

re: #85 rurality
Tea Party folks they showed were not folks pissed at higher taxes and bigger gov't, it was the really looney folks. Granted I don't watch the big 3, I watch CNN, Fox, and MSNBC.

94 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 10:59:55am

re: #83 Gus 802

Right. Innuendo is low ball but posting a million spin-offs 24/7 many of which are ripe with innuendo and misinformation is high ball.

And the spin offs you post are any better or less one sided?

I may post what others are saying, as do you do. Nothing wrong with that.

That's not the same as making innuendos without substance.

95 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:00:05am

re: #87 webevintage

CNN International is pretty much down the middle - the US side is concern trolling during Anderson Cooper, Bill Bennett being an ass and Wolf pretending absolutely everything is equivalent to everything else thats ever happened.

96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:00:12am

re: #82 drcordell

I agree. You don't have to woo someone you are currently screwing. The press and the Libs have been in the same bed for a long, long time.

I would've said on the same page, but that just shot the analogy in the head.

97 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:00:28am

even debating TV news shows?....what a laugher
I despise them all equally

98 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:00:32am

re: #85 rurality

If those news agencies were so biased, why did they give so much publicity and legitimization to the Tea party movement? Their focus on the nuts and reporting the lies of the GOP without refutation, almost derailed HCR.

Upding x1000. The other media outlets have been so cowed by the constant "liberal media bias" bleatings of the wingnuts that they overcompensate to a ridiculous degree. Hence the ACORN pimp scandal got wall to wall coverage. The tea parties got wall to wall coverage. The wingnut march on DC got wall to wall coverage.

The Iraq war protests to mark the 7th anniversary of the invasion? The one that had several thousand more people than the comparable tea party? Did you see any live coverage of that from MSNBC? CBS? ABC? CNN?

What part of the reality that each and every network is run by a huge corporation do you not understand? General Electric makes fucking bombs, you think their TV network is going to cover a pacifist rally?

99 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:00:42am

Meanwhile, I just found out that a friend of mine in Kalamazoo is being charged with the crime of "harboring a dangerous animal". Her eight-year-old cat, Cameron.

It seems Cameron got into a (gasp!) cat-fight with a neighbor's feline. No humans were involved.

My friend, a professor of anthropology, faces 90 days in the slammer or a 500-buck fine. And a criminal record.

Has this country lost its collective mind?

100 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:00:44am

re: #90 Lidane

Upding for the JesusLand/South Canada map.............

101 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:00:45am

re: #24 pingjockey

Does anyone here think common sense is going to break out soon? Pelosi and Boehner(sp) both need to come out and tear the extremists left and right a new asshole. Someone is gonna get hurt or killed. This is starting to resemble politics in some places overseas that I visited.

My quotation powers fail me at the moment. I half remember a thought, to the effect that, when the public is at peace, it is impossible to imagine that they can ever be roused. And when the public is roused, it is impossible to imagine that they can ever be pacified.

102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:00:52am

re: #87 webevintage

cleverness ding.

103 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:01:29am

re: #97 albusteve

You are free to put the kettle on and come back in five minutes.....

104 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:01:46am

re: #51 darthstar

Linked that for you.

Better cafepress that sum'bitch, and make some hay while the sun is shining!

105 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:01:50am

re: #89 Silvergirl

Exactly how I understood it as well.

In this statement, he is fighting back against the accusation that Republicans are fomenting the bad craziness.

Agree or disagree with that statement, but he is clearly not accusing the Democrats of fomenting anything against him.

106 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:01:51am

re: #99 Cato the Elder
It would seem so.

107 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:02:21am

re: #92 RogueOne

One lone network, on cable, almost brought down HCR?

No he means the "librul" networks CNN/MSNBC/ABC/CBS who gave the Teabaggers TONS of airtime. Airtime that was nowhere near proportional to their numbers. All because they were so afraid of being labeled "biased" by Fox and the RNC for not covering what was essentially the creation of Fox News itself.

108 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:02:26am

re: #94 researchok

And the spin offs you post are any better or less one sided?

I may post what others are saying, as do you do. Nothing wrong with that.

That's not the same as making innuendos without substance.

I think you're over reacting to my pointing out that his press secretary is a former Fox News producer.

109 rurality  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:02:28am

re: #92 RogueOne
I am talking about all the coverage TP's on ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. Giving coverage to Bachman and not pointing out where she was making things up. Endless yap about death panels, without refuting the fiction. Dont get cable so dont know what goes on there.

110 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:02:35am

re: #101 The Sanity Inspector
That is a good one. I'd guess Lincoln or some supreme court justice from back when.

111 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:02:38am

re: #99 Cato the Elder

Meanwhile, I just found out that a friend of mine in Kalamazoo is being charged with the crime of "harboring a dangerous animal". Her eight-year-old cat, Cameron.

It seems Cameron got into a (gasp!) cat-fight with a neighbor's feline. No humans were involved.

My friend, a professor of anthropology, faces 90 days in the slammer or a 500-buck fine. And a criminal record.

Has this country lost its collective mind?

people from Kalamazoo are total lunatics...who knows what crazy shit they will come up with

112 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:03:35am

re: #82 drcordell

I'm not going to get into this ludicrous argument with you. Long story short, no I don't believe there is collusion between the Democrats and any media organization like the coordination that exists between the GOP and Fox News. Nothing even close. Fox News literally serves as the media wing of the GOP. There is no analogy for the Democrats.

I think that this is a bad and unfair line of reasoning. We want and should encourage people to take up public service. It is natural that they would go work for public officials they are personally and politically in synch with. It's been that way since the dawn of time, and it will always be so.

113 uncah91  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:03:44am

Again, the PROPER response from ANYONE to ANY actual acts of violence or credible threats of violence is to call them out of bounds in civil political discourse. This should be true for both left and right.

And Cantor is wrong. Actual violence needs to be called out, not hushed up. Random crazies looking for jollies with non-credible threats are different. But actual violence and credible violence needs to be called out and condemned.

If Cantor is lying about this, I would hope (but not expect) he would lose all credibility. But unless he is lying, the proper response is to call this what it is, inappropriate and wrong.

114 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:03:58am

re: #99 Cato the Elder

Human nature. Your friend's neighbor is upset because snooky-yookums got its ass kicked.

That the local authorities (I presume Animal Control or the ASPCA) got involved to that level is annoying since that's the level where someone should step in and explain to the upset person that s**t happens.

Of course, that would probably still leave some sort of vendetta in place, and Cameron would possibly be under threat.

115 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:04:05am

re: #91 Olsonist

You have a lot of acronyms. Got any names?

Off the top of my head? Chris matthews, George Stephanopolous, Richard Wolffe, James Carville....

Should I go on? I know I'm missing at least 4 or 5 more.

117 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:04:38am

re: #103 wozzablog

You are free to put the kettle on and come back in five minutes...

I don't get you...what kettle?

118 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:04:59am

re: #112 garhighway

I think that this is a bad and unfair line of reasoning. We want and should encourage people to take up public service. It is natural that they would go work for public officials they are personally and politically in synch with. It's been that way since the dawn of time, and it will always be so.

There is a difference between going into public service, and a former Fox News producer going to work for a GOP candidate so they can use Fox News as a campaign resource.

119 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:05:08am

re: #109 rurality

I am talking about all the coverage TP's on ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. Giving coverage to Bachman and not pointing out where she was making things up. Endless yap about death panels, without refuting the fiction. Dont get cable so dont know what goes on there.

I obviously misunderstood.

120 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:05:42am

re: #8 JasonA

Late late late update: From the local paper: "Cantor, in an interview with the Richmond Times-Dispatch, said he doesn't know whether the shot was random or aimed at the building."


Richmond does have some rough areas. It might just have been a stray shot.

121 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:05:46am

re: #95 wozzablog

CNN International is pretty much down the middle - the US side is concern trolling during Anderson Cooper, Bill Bennett being an ass and Wolf pretending absolutely everything is equivalent to everything else thats ever happened.

Which is precisely why the only news network I listen to anymore is the BBC. Thank god for them, otherwise I wouldn't get any real news of what's going on in the world at all.

122 The Curmudgeon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:06:24am

My car got egged last Halloween. The timing is suspicious, and everyone knows I'm a Republican. But I'm not making any accusations. That would be wrong.

123 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:07:03am

OT: I just got a call, and the caller ID read [no phone numbers allowed] Of course, it turned out to be a hang-up. But that's an odd number to have on the screen.

124 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:07:22am

re: #108 Gus 802

I think you're over reacting to my pointing out that his press secretary is a former Fox News producer.

Maybe- but how is her being a former Fox News producer relevant? My concern is that some might assume there is 'obvious connection'.

The incident was commented on by law enforcement. My initial remarks on the subject:

I don't believe Cantor would lie or mislead anyone about the event. He may have stayed quiet about it and/or deliberately vague about the incident at the request of law enforcement.

That seems likely to me, anyway.

125 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:07:37am

re: #123 darthstar

OT: I just got a call, and the caller ID read [no phone numbers allowed] Of course, it turned out to be a hang-up. But that's an odd number to have on the screen.

oops...forgot the filter. 999 999 9999 was the number.

126 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:07:37am

re: #115 RogueOne

Off the top of my head? Chris matthews, George Stephanopolous, Richard Wolffe, James Carville...

Should I go on? I know I'm missing at least 4 or 5 more.

Okay, and on those same networks you can add in... Tucker Carlson, Mary Matalin, Alex Castellanos, Ed Rollins, Rich Galen. There are Republicans dripping from every pore of CNN et al.

127 Vambo  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:07:48am

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I agree. You don't have to woo someone you are currently screwing. The press and the Libs have been in the same bed for a long, long time.

I would've said on the same page, but that just shot the analogy in the head.

Colbert: "reality has a liberal bias".

128 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:07:53am

555-1212

Test

129 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:07:53am

re: #117 albusteve


Thought you were complaining about people here talking about teevee shows............

If you weren't you have my apologies.

130 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:07:53am

re: #122 The Curmudgeon

You know that those treat-or-treaters are liberal pagans don't you? Out practicing their devil worship and attempting to curse proper God-fearing folk.

/// (massive)

131 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:08:06am

re: #82 drcordell

I'm not going to get into this ludicrous argument with you. Long story short, no I don't believe there is collusion between the Democrats and any media organization like the coordination that exists between the GOP and Fox News. Nothing even close. Fox News literally serves as the media wing of the GOP. There is no analogy for the Democrats.

Did you hear that from Keith Olbermann?

132 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:08:10am

re: #123 darthstar

OT: I just got a call, and the caller ID read [no phone numbers allowed] Of course, it turned out to be a hang-up. But that's an odd number to have on the screen.

Now look at what you've done. It was probably the secret service wanting a chat. They were just making sure you were home before they knocked at the door.

133 rurality  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:08:25am

re: #98 drcordell

We can't tear down the right's most overarching and all purpose excuse for disregarding information--seen often here when some one has asked for a link, it's given and then disregarded because the link is so any news source that is suspect. So throw out the time, NPR, etc. The vacuum of certitude remains in tact.

134 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:08:49am

re: #99 Cato the Elder

Meanwhile, I just found out that a friend of mine in Kalamazoo is being charged with the crime of "harboring a dangerous animal". Her eight-year-old cat, Cameron.

It seems Cameron got into a (gasp!) cat-fight with a neighbor's feline. No humans were involved.

My friend, a professor of anthropology, faces 90 days in the slammer or a 500-buck fine. And a criminal record.

Has this country lost its collective mind?

Whatever incident that prompted them to pass that law in that form in the first place must have clouded their judgment.

135 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:09:00am

re: #129 wozzablog

Thought you were complaining about people here talking about teevee shows...

If you weren't you have my apologies.

I liked MASH

136 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:09:03am

Post-modern media: All news is false?

137 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:09:06am

Ah, now I see. You have to add an area code to get that.

867-5309 is still allowed.

138 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:09:15am

re: #99 Cato the Elder

It seems Cameron got into a (gasp!) cat-fight with a neighbor's feline. No humans were involved.

Cats are evil?
It is part of their evil plan to put us all in jail and then taking over?
People are nuts?
That's all I have....

BUT here in Arkansas there is one cat that is the bane of Hillcrest (a part of Little Rock) that even made the city council try to make come up with a new ban on outdoor cats.
Nothing passed but from what I understand this large cat is so evil that people will walk on the other side of the street and pull their kids/small dogs inside when the cat is out.
It hides in wait and will attack.
The owner says she can't do anything about it.
(of course by now it may have been put down, this was last year)

139 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:09:35am

re: #131 cliffster

Nah, Joe Scarboro.......

140 rurality  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:09:50am

re: #133 rurality

oops. Times, as in New York (liberal) Times

141 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:09:52am

re: #128 EmmmieG

555-1212

Test

Hello?

142 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:10:05am

re: #138 webevintage

Is the cat's name "Greebo" by any chance?

143 Olsonist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:10:20am

re: #115 RogueOne

Chris Matthews was Tip ONeils COS until Tip retired. Matthews then went into punditry but hasn't gone back to government.
George S was Clinton's prexy. Same deal.
Carville was always a pro. Never in gov't.
Dunno who Wolfe is but then I don't watch TV.

Compare and contrast with Dana Perino. Contrast with people coming from Fox to Republican staff positions.

144 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:10:36am

re: #137 EmmmieG

They actually auctioned off that number. Don't remember where but an attorney bought it. IIRC they showed on VH1 or MTV.

145 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:10:45am

re: #132 RogueOne

Now look at what you've done. It was probably the secret service wanting a chat. They were just making sure you were home before they knocked at the door.

It's my mobile they called. Tried calling back, but it didn't work.

146 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:10:56am

re: #131 cliffster

Did you hear that from Keith Olbermann?

Wow! You named a single television personality with a liberal point of view. Between him and Rachel Maddow theres two! It's a conspiracy!!!

147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:11:16am

re: #111 albusteve

I've got a gal there.

148 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:11:19am

re: #137 EmmmieG

Ah, now I see. You have to add an area code to get that.

867-5309 is still allowed.

Oh, Jenny.

149 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:11:55am

Ed Morrisey sez.....


The “I’m getting death threats” has become a tired meme in the American media, and a handy way for politicians to avoid the responsible accountability that mainstream Americans demand. And it’s not just Democrats who have indulged in that avoidance strategy in the past, although they’re certainly the culprits of the moment.

Here at Hot Air, we don’t tolerate threats of violence against either ourselves, other commenters, or elected representatives, nor do we tolerate calls for the overthrow of the American government by force. Those who indulge in that behavior will find their commenting privileges revoked without warning. We are a site devoted to engagement in the American political system, not a discussion board for militia movements, plenty of which exist elsewhere for those who want to participate in those discussions. If you choose to violate our terms of service, don’t bother e-mailing when your commenting privileges get revoked, because we’re not going to get into e-mail debates about it.

150 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:12:00am

re: #123 darthstar

OT: I just got a call, and the caller ID read [no phone numbers allowed] Of course, it turned out to be a hang-up. But that's an odd number to have on the screen.

I did that with my mind.

151 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:12:02am

re: #143 Olsonist

Chris Matthews was Tip ONeils COS until Tip retired. Matthews then went into punditry but hasn't gone back to government.
George S was Clinton's prexy. Same deal.
Carville was always a pro. Never in gov't.
Dunno who Wolfe is but then I don't watch TV.

Compare and contrast with Dana Perino. Contrast with people coming from Fox to Republican staff positions.

Yeah last time I checked Keith Olbermann wasn't Obama's press secretary.

152 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:12:37am

Charles: My daughter was playing a game for a while that if you entered in a indecent comment posted it as:

"I'm immature."

"I need friends."

and so on.

That could be kind of fun.

"I need to get a life."

"Charles lives inside my head and he just hit the delete button on this comment."

"I say rude things about women because I have no hope of dating one in the real world."

153 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:12:44am

re: #114 oaktree

Human nature. Your friend's neighbor is upset because snooky-yookums got its ass kicked.

That the local authorities (I presume Animal Control or the ASPCA) got involved to that level is annoying since that's the level where someone should step in and explain to the upset person that s**t happens.

Of course, that would probably still leave some sort of vendetta in place, and Cameron would possibly be under threat.

Actually, the other cat, William, got run over by a car a few days later in an unrelated incident.

The case is being handled by the city attorney, not Animal Control.

The city attorney.

I could maybe see it if the one cat were named "Palin" and the other "Pelosi". But William and Cameron?

Two male cats doing what male cats do.

154 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:13:36am

re: #142 oaktree

Is the cat's name "Greebo" by any chance?

Upding for Diskworld!
Mr. Puss-Puss....

155 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:14:00am

re: #154 webevintage

He's just a big softy, really.

156 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:14:03am

re: #146 drcordell

Touche - i was going to say Richard Wolffe, but just noticed you qualified it with "personality"

157 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:14:28am

Greebo: In both forms:

[Link: home-and-garden.webshots.com...]

158 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:14:34am

re: #153 Cato the Elder
Plus it's spring and the male cats are out doing their thing. My dog goes nuts at night because he can hear the fighting, and our course our female cat, who's fixed confuses the tom cats to no end.

159 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:14:45am

re: #147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've got a gal there.

Elvis' last known location

160 Olsonist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:15:45am

re: #115 RogueOne

Actually, I should cut Perino some slack. It is common for Presidenty press secretaries to come from the press corps and then go back.

161 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:16:03am

re: #153 Cato the Elder

Who brought the issue of a cat-fight to the city attorney?

And then why would they take it on and declare the cat a "dangerous animal". (I presume there is so statute defining the term for the city, and that it's hazy enough that an anorexic toothless hamster could be made to qualify.)

Just bizarre that it reached that level. That's multiple people being stupid (or having axes to grind) or one with a notable level of influence.

162 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:16:03am

Well spring is officially here, the 10 yr old is out for the next week for spring break and...."there's nothing to do".

163 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:16:35am
From what I’ve noticed, everyone in the “I predict revolution” crowd seems pretty darned excited about the idea. Sure, when you press them they’ll give you the standard “gee, I don’t condone it or anything” disclaimer but then they’ll toss the Jefferson “water the tree” quote at you and warn ominously that this is “just the beginning,” etc. If the Democrats pulled that crap with a Republican government, you’d call them traitors, terrorists, etc.

The worst part? Comparisons to the Founders are moronic. Remember the slogan “no taxation without representation”? Well, see, you do have representation. 41 Senate seats, 178 House seats. You’ll have plenty more of both in November. Not good enough for the “I predict revolution” crowd, though. They want a fight — even though they don’t condone it! — so they’ll go on predicting. Well, predict somewhere else. Clear enough?

Allahpundit on March 25, 2010 at 1:29 PM

164 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:16:51am

re: #160 Olsonist

Actually, I should cut Perino some slack. It is common for Presidenty press secretaries to come from the press corps and then go back.

Is it common for them to spend their post-administration time trying to change reality and history?

165 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:17:20am

re: #121 Lidane

You would not be at all suprised by how many people said that when i was in the states the other month - thank god for the BBC News..........


*proud briton*

166 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:17:31am

The Senate passed the bill, now it goes back to the House, who will vote on it again tonight...let's hope that the broken windows don't stop more than three Democrats from voting yes again.

167 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:18:19am

re: #163 Killgore Trout

are you a fan?

168 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:18:20am

re: #162 pingjockey

Well spring is officially here, the 10 yr old is out for the next week for spring break and..."there's nothing to do".

Hand him a pair of cuticle scissors and tell him to mow the lawn.

169 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:18:28am

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Ouch.

They've jumped the allahpundit shark?........


Impressive.

170 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:18:43am

re: #165 wozzablog

You would not be at all suprised by how many people said that when i was in the states the other month - thank god for the BBC News...

*proud briton*

the more important question is...
who's your favorite Beatle?

171 Olsonist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:18:56am

re: #164 webevintage

Is it common for them to spend their post-administration time trying to change reality and history?

Actually yeah. Most press secretaries remain vigilant defenders of their administration's record. Obviously Scott McClellan was an exception.

172 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:19:26am

re: #164 webevintage

Ari Fleisher.............

& Yes.

173 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:19:42am

re: #143 Olsonist

Chris Matthews was Tip ONeils COS until Tip retired. Matthews then went into punditry but hasn't gone back to government.
George S was Clinton's prexy. Same deal.
Carville was always a pro. Never in gov't.
Dunno who Wolfe is but then I don't watch TV.

Compare and contrast with Dana Perino. Contrast with people coming from Fox to Republican staff positions.

Don't forget Tony Snow (now deceased) who went from Fox TO the White House.

174 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:19:52am

re: #165 wozzablog
Out here in the boonies I can get the BBC news at the top of the hour on our one small, independently owned radio station. Was up in Leavenworth WA 3 years ago helping them with their dish. They only had about 2 degrees of elevation above the ridge to get the sattelite.

175 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:20:21am

re: #99 Cato the Elder

Meanwhile, I just found out that a friend of mine in Kalamazoo is being charged with the crime of "harboring a dangerous animal". Her eight-year-old cat, Cameron.

It seems Cameron got into a (gasp!) cat-fight with a neighbor's feline. No humans were involved.

My friend, a professor of anthropology, faces 90 days in the slammer or a 500-buck fine. And a criminal record.

Has this country lost its collective mind?

I've got a cat in Kalamazoo
Don't want to boast but I know she's the toast of Kalamazoo . . .

K (K)
A (A)
L-A-M-A-Z-O
Oh, oh, oh, oh what a cat, a real pipperoo

I love Glenn Miller stuff.

Your friend has no business with a fine or time in the slammer. Cat fights among neighbors? Gawd!

176 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:20:43am

re: #170 albusteve

Micky Dolenz

177 blueraven  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:20:54am

re: #75 pingjockey

Oh fer... So Msnbc and the DNC don't have any strategy either?! And ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN do not have any leftward bias and are right straight down the middle fact only reportage?

I will grant you MSNBC leans left. However, I have never seen the type of political activism exhibited against HCR by Fox over the past year, by any other news channel.

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

178 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:20:58am

re: #168 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Heh. We picked up puupy poop yesterday. The ditch water isn't on yet, so he can't have his "river" in the back yard yet.

179 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:21:00am

re: #172 wozzablog

Ari Fleisher...

& Yes.

All I think of is the BS that Perino has been spewing since her job ended.

180 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:21:39am

re: #179 webevintage

All I think of is the BS that Perino has been spewing since her job ended.

But she's cute.

181 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:22:03am

re: #163 Killgore Trout

From what I’ve noticed, everyone in the “I predict revolution” crowd seems pretty darned excited about the idea. Sure, when you press them they’ll give you the standard “gee, I don’t condone it or anything” disclaimer but then they’ll toss the Jefferson “water the tree” quote at you and warn ominously that this is “just the beginning,” etc. If the Democrats pulled that crap with a Republican government, you’d call them traitors, terrorists, etc.

The worst part? Comparisons to the Founders are moronic. Remember the slogan “no taxation without representation”? Well, see, you do have representation. 41 Senate seats, 178 House seats. You’ll have plenty more of both in November. Not good enough for the “I predict revolution” crowd, though. They want a fight — even though they don’t condone it! — so they’ll go on predicting. Well, predict somewhere else. Clear enough?

Allahpundit on March 25, 2010 at 1:29 PM

Allahpundit just had a rush of intelligence to the head. I'm still no fan of his, but he's right to tell the nuts to knock it off.

182 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:22:09am

The anti-government militia members at Hot Air are outraged by the new oppressive peacemongering rules.....

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

Is this a violent threat against the United States if the Constitution is being shredded by the President and US Congress?

The Constitution (Article VI, clause 3) requires all federal and state government employees, including the military (slightly different oath but with the same Constitution defense,) to take this oath.

Not that I am advocating a military take over of the US Government, but the Constitution and this oath implicitly approves of a take over of the government if domestic enemies (in this case the President and US Congress) attempt to attack and destroy the Constitution.

Also, might I remind everyone, that when this same tactic was done in Honduras against their President attacking and attempting to destroy their constitution, the government overthrow by the military and other Honduran government officials was highly supported by Ed, AP, and Hotair commentors. This editorial seems to be hypocritical to the editorials written in support of Honduras at the time. For some reason, what was good for Honduras is not good for the United States.

Again, I am not directly supporting the overthrow of the US; just pointing out that the Constitution and the oath required does support this, as did our founding fathers, against tyrannical governments attempts to destroy our Constitution, whether they be foreign or domestic (as with our current government.)

183 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:22:12am

re: #174 pingjockey

BBC America i believe carries a moose bulletin of an evening on cable, otherways bbc.co.uk/news allows you to watch, from i believe, around the world although i didn't test it on my travels.

184 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:22:14am

re: #160 Olsonist

Actually, I should cut Perino some slack. It is common for Presidenty press secretaries to come from the press corps and then go back.

I actually agree with both you and Obdicut, it is normal. The press/political class are almost one and the same anymore. I just find it amusing that people believe fox is evil for being republican friendly but give a pass to the rest of the networks which are very dem friendly. The dems have 5 news organizations they can go on to get friendly coverage, republicans have the one.

Full disclosure again, I don't watch but one program and it's for an hour in the morning. Morning Joe cracks me up.

185 researchok  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:22:24am

Violence is a criminal matter, not a political expression irrespective of where on the political spectrum it originates. Period,

As a victim of violent crime (Jackie Kennedy, MLK Darfur, Holocaust, etc.,) if the political affiliations of the perpetrator matter.

To imply otherwise or to further politicize crime is to fan the flames of more violence.

186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:22:35am
Science and Mother Nature are in a marriage where Science is always surprised to come home and find Mother Nature blowing the neighbor.

-Justin's dad.

187 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:22:40am

re: #177 blueraven
Hmmm. You have a point.

188 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:22:53am

re: #165 wozzablog

You would not be at all suprised by how many people said that when i was in the states the other month - thank god for the BBC News...

*proud briton*

Heh. I'm not surprised at all. Between Fox shilling for the GOP, CNN's concern trolling and desperate attempts at "moderation" and MSNBC having nothing to offer me except Rachel Maddow's sheer awesomeness, I'd go insane without the Beeb. They actually report the news. How novel.

189 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:23:37am

re: #166 darthstar

The Senate passed the bill, now it goes back to the House, who will vote on it again tonight...let's hope that the broken windows don't stop more than three Democrats from voting yes again.

I bet they'll change their votes if this guy shows up

190 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:23:48am

re: #183 wozzablog
I liked hearing it when I was o'seas.

191 Olsonist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:24:09am

re: #184 RogueOne

Joe is a former Republican Congressman.

192 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:24:56am

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Allahpundit just had a rush of intelligence to the head. I'm still no fan of his, but he's right to tell the nuts to knock it off.


He's late to the party. Where was he when LGF was warning against this stuff last year? They allowed racist slurs until I made a stink about it. Violent rhetoric and revolution talk have been standard fare on Hot Air and every other right wing site for a long time. Site like Hot Air whip the wingnuts into a frenzy with dishonest information and conspiracy theories and then complain the readers are violent lunatics?
He's just covering his ass and I doubt he's had a serious change of heart.

193 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:25:16am

re: #183 wozzablog
Halp..what's a moose bulletin? I believe they have those in Anchorage because the damn critters wander everywhere!

194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:25:46am
Universe is 14 billion years old. Seems silly to celebrate one year. Be like having a fucking parade every time i take a piss.


-Justin's dad is a genius.

195 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:25:49am

re: #191 Olsonist

Joe is a former Republican Congressman.

I know, the show is still funny and sometimes actually informative. I don't do the cable/news programming because it's all the same. "HOLY CRAP! We're all going to DIE! unless you watch our program coming up right after these messages".

196 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:25:58am

re: #174 pingjockey

Out here in the boonies I can get the BBC news at the top of the hour on our one small, independently owned radio station. Was up in Leavenworth WA 3 years ago helping them with their dish. They only had about 2 degrees of elevation above the ridge to get the sattelite.

They offer lots of news podcasts, too, if that's an option for you:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

197 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:26:35am

re: #188 Lidane

And the UK Fox news sister station Sky - is actually pretty fairminded too. It is alledged to drive murdoch potty - but their journalists are not former miss americas and would pick up national jobs or international jobs as serious news people on any other network.

198 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:26:51am

re: #191 Olsonist

Joe is a former Republican Congressman.

Joe is a former Republican Congressman who happened to have a dead woman found in his office.

199 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:27:19am

re: #193 pingjockey

Halp..what's a moose bulletin? I believe they have those in Anchorage because the damn critters wander everywhere!

It's sort of like the BBC News for parrots. Except it's for moose.

200 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:27:33am

re: #185 researchok

Violence is a criminal matter, not a political expression irrespective of where on the political spectrum it originates. Period,

As a victim of violent crime (Jackie Kennedy, MLK Darfur, Holocaust, etc.,) if the political affiliations of the perpetrator matter.

To imply otherwise or to further politicize crime is to fan the flames of more violence.

Upding on the sentiment--which I think means that people have been victims and perps of crime, irrespective of political affiliation.

(I had a little laugh when you wrote "period" and used a comma after it.)

201 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:27:43am

re: #99 Cato the Elder

Meanwhile, I just found out that a friend of mine in Kalamazoo is being charged with the crime of "harboring a dangerous animal". Her eight-year-old cat, Cameron.

It seems Cameron got into a (gasp!) cat-fight with a neighbor's feline. No humans were involved.

My friend, a professor of anthropology, faces 90 days in the slammer or a 500-buck fine. And a criminal record.

Has this country lost its collective mind?

How did they determine that Cameron wasn't acting in self-defense?

Sorry to hear it. A friend of mine nearly went to pieces when one of her dogs was arrested for biting the cable guy, but it was determined the dog acted appropriately.

202 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:27:48am

re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


-Justin's dad is a genius.

he says some crazy shit

203 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:27:53am

re: #196 Lidane
Thank you. Have to be careful with the BBC stuff. My wife is from Wales and sometimes I'll have Commons Questions on or a soccer match and she'll get very, very homesick. BTW, she's been in the states for 30 years!

204 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:28:16am

re: #184 RogueOne

The rest of the networks are not very Dem-friendly, with the exception of MSNBC. They're mostly just incompetent, but it's also a case of the Overton window: by treating some very fringe guys as though they're credible at all, the media gives a lot more credibility than it should to fringe positions.

Their science reporting is the worst offender in this; every report on scientists and random yahoos attacking the scientists tends to put them on a level playing field, rather than pointing out that, in general, we prefer scientists' views on science to that of the willfully uninformed.

205 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:28:18am

re: #198 darthstar

Joe is a former Republican Congressman who happened to have a dead woman found in his office.

Hey, be fair. Who hasn't had a dead body found in their office at some point?

/

206 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:28:57am

re: #199 oaktree
Heh. "This parrot is dead" "no, it's just sleeping".

207 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:29:05am

re: #192 Killgore Trout

He's late to the party. Where was he when LGF was warning against this stuff last year? They allowed racist slurs until I made a stink about it. Violent rhetoric and revolution talk have been standard fare on Hot Air and every other right wing site for a long time. Site like Hot Air whip the wingnuts into a frenzy with dishonest information and conspiracy theories and then complain the readers are violent lunatics?
He's just covering his ass and I doubt he's had a serious change of heart.

What would he have to do to persuade you that he had?

208 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:29:27am

re: #184 RogueOne

I actually agree with both you and Obdicut, it is normal. The press/political class are almost one and the same anymore. I just find it amusing that people believe fox is evil for being republican friendly but give a pass to the rest of the networks which are very dem friendly. The dems have 5 news organizations they can go on to get friendly coverage, republicans have the one.

Full disclosure again, I don't watch but one program and it's for an hour in the morning. Morning Joe cracks me up.

And that is where you are mistaken. In your assumption that the rest of the networks are "dem friendly." They are not Dem friendly. The very show you are talking about on MSNBC no less is hosted by former GOP Congressman Joe Scarborough.

Fox News is the official media wing of the GOP. The Democrats do not enjoy such a luxury. Even the "librul" MSNBC shoots straight during their regular news hours.

209 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:29:30am

re: #193 pingjockey

news bulletin, just my own personal lexicon kicking in at that point.

210 avanti  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:29:51am

Over at Hot Air, AP is trying to herd cats that want to discuss the upcoming revolution, even banning a few. Here's his comment:

"The “official answer” is that by predicting it you’re attempting to mainstream it. Funny thing: From what I’ve noticed, everyone in the “I predict revolution” crowd seems pretty darned excited about the idea. Sure, when you press them they’ll give you the standard “gee, I don’t condone it or anything” disclaimer but then they’ll toss the Jefferson “water the tree” quote at you and warn ominously that this is “just the beginning,” etc. If the Democrats pulled that crap with a Republican government, you’d call them traitors, terrorists, etc.

The worst part? Comparisons to the Founders are moronic. Remember the slogan “no taxation without representation”? Well, see, you do have representation. 41 Senate seats, 178 House seats. You’ll have plenty more of both in November. Not good enough for the “I predict revolution” crowd, though. They want a fight — even though they don’t condone it! — so they’ll go on predicting. Well, predict somewhere else. Clear enough? "

Refreshing to see some attempts at sane conversation IMHO.

211 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:29:57am

re: #89 Silvergirl

I believe he is saying that he knows what it's like to have threats against his person, and gives the example of threats because he's Jewish. Therefore he would be the last person to want to incite threats--to encourage hostility as a way of protest. He's not talking about antisemites, just using his personal experience as a target.

But here's what he said:

"I've received threats since I assumed elected office, not only because of my positions, but because i am Jewish," Cantor said. "I've never blamed anyone in this body for that. Period."

Why should he blame anyone in Congress for antisemitic threats? No Congress members are encouraging antisemites.

It's a complete non sequitur - it has nothing at all to do with the current situation, in which GOP politicians are pandering to and egging on the violent rhetoric.

212 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:30:18am

re: #205 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Depends how often you've worked Vegas as i believe te phoenomenon radiates ooutwards..........

213 Olsonist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:30:19am

re: #195 RogueOne

I thought you said all the non-Fox channels were very Dem friendly. What's with them hiring a Republican Congressman?

214 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:30:29am

re: #192 Killgore Trout

He's late to the party. Where was he when LGF was warning against this stuff last year? They allowed racist slurs until I made a stink about it. Violent rhetoric and revolution talk have been standard fare on Hot Air and every other right wing site for a long time. Site like Hot Air whip the wingnuts into a frenzy with dishonest information and conspiracy theories and then complain the readers are violent lunatics?
He's just covering his ass and I doubt he's had a serious change of heart.

It is ass covering, but that's to be expected. He clearly doesn't want to run a blog where violence is discussed, not least because of the legal implications. You're right that he should have acted to clean up his site long ago.

215 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:30:30am

re: #206 pingjockey

Heh. "This parrot is dead" "no, it's just sleeping".

Right bunch, different skit. :)

Plus there is always "A moose once bit my sister."

216 darthstar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:30:36am

meeting time...back shortly

217 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:30:38am

re: #209 wozzablog
Heh again. Thanks.

218 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:30:55am

re: #184 RogueOne

The dems have 5 news organizations they can go on to get friendly coverage, republicans have the one.

Fortunately for them, that one's bias to the right outweighs the supposed liberal bias of all the other five put together.

219 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:31:13am

re: #204 Obdicut

The rest of the networks are not very Dem-friendly, with the exception of MSNBC. They're mostly just incompetent, but it's also a case of the Overton window: by treating some very fringe guys as though they're credible at all, the media gives a lot more credibility than it should to fringe positions.

Their science reporting is the worst offender in this; every report on scientists and random yahoos attacking the scientists tends to put them on a level playing field, rather than pointing out that, in general, we prefer scientists' views on science to that of the willfully uninformed.

Case in point, a panel that consists of 1) A noted immunologist 2) a nobel laureate in viral pathology 3) a spokesperson for the WHO and 4) Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy.

220 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:31:40am

re: #192 Killgore Trout

He's late to the party. Where was he when LGF was warning against this stuff last year? They allowed racist slurs until I made a stink about it. Violent rhetoric and revolution talk have been standard fare on Hot Air and every other right wing site for a long time. Site like Hot Air whip the wingnuts into a frenzy with dishonest information and conspiracy theories and then complain the readers are violent lunatics?
He's just covering his ass and I doubt he's had a serious change of heart.

At LGF I posted quotes from dozens of Hot Air comments advocating violence and revolution, and as far as I know none of them were ever deleted.

221 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:31:51am

re: #215 oaktree
Haha! Or the credits on Search for the Holy Grail..

222 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:32:58am

re: #205 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hey, be fair. Who hasn't had a dead body found in their office at some point?

/

I wasn't dead. I was just recovering from the Mission Statement Revision Committee meeting.

223 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:33:02am

re: #220 Charles
I hadn't been to Hot Air. Didn't realize they'd let such nonsense in. Sad.

224 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:33:06am

re: #204 Obdicut

The rest of the networks are not very Dem-friendly, with the exception of MSNBC. They're mostly just incompetent, but it's also a case of the Overton window: by treating some very fringe guys as though they're credible at all, the media gives a lot more credibility than it should to fringe positions.

Their science reporting is the worst offender in this; every report on scientists and random yahoos attacking the scientists tends to put them on a level playing field, rather than pointing out that, in general, we prefer scientists' views on science to that of the willfully uninformed.

No, they're very dem friendly they just aren't as dem friendly as you would like. When more than 10 of them vote for someone other than a democrat you'll have the right to complain. Until then be grateful they're doing all they can to spread your message without going full Maddow/Olbermann on us.

/barely sarcastic

225 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:33:22am

Oh, those poor democrats, having to paddle upstream against the constant bad press they get from the media.

226 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:33:26am

re: #218 Cato the Elder

Fortunately for them, that one's bias to the right outweighs the supposed liberal bias of all the other five put together.

All kidding aside I think the rest of the news media is useless not because of bias, but because of their fear of perceived bias. They can't call a spade a spade because they are terrified of being called "partisan."

So instead of a segment that states "FACT: death panels are a lie", they run the headline "Death Panels?" and then bring on a Democrat talking head and a Republican talking head to argue about it for 15 minutes. And in the end the truth is never actually uncovered. You simply hear two partisan idiots bickering at each other. Instead of an actual journalist doing their job and identifying the truth.

227 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:33:28am

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Is it OK to be sick and tired of all the bullshit streaming in from both sides? Fuck them all at this point. I'm tired of whiny bitches demanding everyone pick a side. They're all turning out to be assholes.

This, times eleventy.

228 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:34:09am

re: #224 RogueOne

No, they're very dem friendly they just aren't as dem friendly as you would like. When more than 10 of them vote for someone other than a democrat you'll have the right to complain. Until then be grateful they're doing all they can to spread your message without going full Maddow/Olbermann on us.

/barely sarcastic

Have you WORKED at a television station? I have worked in many. And they are full of fucking Republicans.

229 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:34:11am

re: #208 drcordell

And that is where you are mistaken. In your assumption that the rest of the networks are "dem friendly." They are not Dem friendly. The very show you are talking about on MSNBC no less is hosted by former GOP Congressman Joe Scarborough.

Fox News is the official media wing of the GOP. The Democrats do not enjoy such a luxury. Even the "librul" MSNBC shoots straight during their regular news hours.

Quite a lot of liberal bias left the news business once Dan Rather stepped down.

230 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:34:23am

re: #203 pingjockey

Thank you. Have to be careful with the BBC stuff. My wife is from Wales and sometimes I'll have Commons Questions on or a soccer match and she'll get very, very homesick. BTW, she's been in the states for 30 years!

One of my aunts has been in the States for over 40 years and she still misses Japan a great deal. She and my uncle go back as often as they can for vacation.

Another aunt, who passed some years ago due to cancer, was French. She raised my cousins speaking English, Spanish, and French fluently and would round up everyone for a family vacation to France every year if it was possible. If not, then her relatives would fly over and spend time here. I can totally understand your wife still missing Wales after all those years. Some ties are just too strong to let go. Hopefully the podcasts help, at least a little. :)

231 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:34:47am

re: #226 drcordell

All kidding aside I think the rest of the news media is useless not because of bias, but because of their fear of perceived bias. They can't call a spade a spade because they are terrified of being called "partisan."

So instead of a segment that states "FACT: death panels are a lie", they run the headline "Death Panels?" and then bring on a Democrat talking head and a Republican talking head to argue about it for 15 minutes. And in the end the truth is never actually uncovered. You simply hear two partisan idiots bickering at each other. Instead of an actual journalist doing their job and identifying the truth.

"Republicans say Earth is flat. Some Democrats disagree."

232 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:34:54am

re: #225 cliffster

Oh, those poor democrats, having to paddle upstream against the constant bad press they get from the media.

Arianna? Is that you?

233 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:35:39am

re: #225 cliffster

Oh, those poor democrats, having to paddle upstream against the constant bad press they get from the media.

Nobody said that. They simply have to contend with the idiotic news media just like the GOP does. Except they dont have one channel they can rely on to trumpet their party line 24/7/365 like Fox News.

234 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:35:51am

re: #211 Charles

Why should he blame anyone in Congress for antisemitic threats? No Congress members are encouraging antisemites.

It's a complete non sequitur - it has nothing at all to do with the current situation, in which GOP politicians are pandering to and egging on the violent rhetoric.

You don't get what I'm saying. I said I believe he is defending himself against charges of inciting violence, and why should he do that when he himself has had violence done to himself simply because he's Jewish? It sounds to me that he's saying political violence/religious violence--none of it is right.

It has nothing to do with Congress members encouraging antisemites. That seemed to be your reading of his comments. I've given mine.

235 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:36:05am

re: #226 drcordell
That would be refreshing. I remember talking a college history class and the stuff the media is doing now is actually mild compared to some of the craziness in the past. Now it has been 30 years ago, but IIRC it was called "yellow journalism" and it was vile stuff, or what we'd consider vile.

236 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:36:18am

re: #207 The Sanity Inspector

What would he have to do to persuade you that he had?

If he made a serious and sustained effort to clean up the rhetoric on his blog. They made an attempt to crack down on racism after my stunt. It lasted a few weeks. Commenters just bypassed the language filter by calling Mrs. Obama a w00kie and nobody cared. They're just cracking down on violent comments because of these recent acts in the news. When the coverage dissipates they'll lighten up again. Can you really have a "right wing" blog today that doesn't allow revolutionary rhetoric? No Glenn Beck, no conspiracy theories, no Constitutional justification to overthrow the tyrants? I can't happen. The wingnuts wouldn't stand for it.

237 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:36:24am

re: #232 MrSilverDragon

Arianna? Is that you?

No need to get huffy

238 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:36:43am

re: #213 Olsonist

I thought you said all the non-Fox channels were very Dem friendly. What's with them hiring a Republican Congressman?

I'm failing to see your point. Is there not enough time for maddow/olbermann/matthews/andrea mitchell/ed shultz on there for you to dilute one guy in the morning? See what I mean when I say they absolutely lean left, just not as left as you would like.

239 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:36:47am

re: #226 drcordell

All kidding aside I think the rest of the news media is useless not because of bias, but because of their fear of perceived bias. They can't call a spade a spade because they are terrified of being called "partisan."

So instead of a segment that states "FACT: death panels are a lie", they run the headline "Death Panels?" and then bring on a Democrat talking head and a Republican talking head to argue about it for 15 minutes. And in the end the truth is never actually uncovered. You simply hear two partisan idiots bickering at each other. Instead of an actual journalist doing their job and identifying the truth.

Tom Tomorrow has been mocking this for years.

"Death Panels? Our undercover penguin goes inside the FEMA camps to find out the truth!"

240 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:37:49am

re: #230 Lidane
Thanks. I wish our gov't would do a Commons Questions type thing. We talked about that the other day on here. No spin, no bs, just the facts.

241 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:38:21am

re: #236 Killgore Trout

If he made a serious and sustained effort to clean up the rhetoric on his blog. They made an attempt to crack down on racism after my stunt. It lasted a few weeks. Commenters just bypassed the language filter by calling Mrs. Obama a w00kie and nobody cared. They're just cracking down on violent comments because of these recent acts in the news. When the coverage dissipates they'll lighten up again. Can you really have a "right wing" blog today that doesn't allow revolutionary rhetoric? No Glenn Beck, no conspiracy theories, no Constitutional justification to overthrow the tyrants? I can't happen. The wingnuts wouldn't stand for it.

Then you need a Frum-like forum that does not cater to wingnuts. Some place that can fight for Republicans in more moderate districts at first and later attract others once the wingnut fever passes.

242 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:38:36am

re: #220 Charles

The Militia comment I linked to on #182 is still there too. It's on the thread about banning talk of overthrowing the government. They aren't going to clean up, they just want to issue a public statement without any action.

243 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:39:23am

re: #240 pingjockey

Thanks. I wish our gov't would do a Commons Questions type thing. We talked about that the other day on here. No spin, no bs, just the facts.

good idea...but what makes you think even for a second, that the govt wants informed voters?

244 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:39:28am

re: #235 pingjockey

That would be refreshing. I remember talking a college history class and the stuff the media is doing now is actually mild compared to some of the craziness in the past. Now it has been 30 years ago, but IIRC it was called "yellow journalism" and it was vile stuff, or what we'd consider vile.

That's the thing. Yellow journalism was basically what Glenn Beck does now if you will. Breathless fearmongering coupled with outright slander and lies. I don't think the "MSM" has an interest in pushing an agenda. I think they just don't want to piss anybody off by actually calling out liars on both sides of the aisle. So they just use false equivalency to avoid taking a stand on any one set of facts. The Republican says this, the Democrat says that. And they leave it there, they never tell you who is full of shit and who isn't.

At the end of the day they are mostly worried that if they piss John McCain (or whatever politician) off with a too thorough fact-checking, they will get shut out of the interview next time. You can't do shit without access, and you maintain access by flattering the people you interview.

245 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:39:30am

re: #240 pingjockey

Thanks. I wish our gov't would do a Commons Questions type thing. We talked about that the other day on here. No spin, no bs, just the facts.

Doesn't BHO have enough air time already?

246 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:39:37am

re: #229 The Sanity Inspector

Quite a lot of liberal bias left the news business once Dan Rather stepped down.

And Peter Jennings. I remember when Al Gore conceded in '00, it looked like he and George Stephanopoulos were going to burst out bawling. Whereas when Bush claimed victory, he reported it with his trademark "oh gag me" smirk.

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:39:48am

re: #211 Charles

Why should he blame anyone in Congress for antisemitic threats? No Congress members are encouraging antisemites.

It's a complete non sequitur - it has nothing at all to do with the current situation, in which GOP politicians are pandering to and egging on the violent rhetoric.

What it means is this: "I've had to put up with this stuff. Hell, everyone in our position has to put up with this stuff. I even get anti-Semitic stuff! But the Democrats are being whiny and inappropriate to trot this stuff out into the open air and give it any credence. People should take death threats to their kids and being called a n***** by 'activists' in stride! Acting like anything Republicans or their friends have been doing or saying had anything to do with this is just weak."

Here endeth the lesson. And far be it from me to suggest that if the shoe were on the other foot, Rep. Cantor, or anyone else, would have a slightly different take on these matters.

248 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:40:40am

Meh, If I want to talk the R-Word and have discussions on what would be involved and what would probably happen, I’ll just go to the Tree of Liberty.

Holger on March 25, 2010 at 2:30 PM

249 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:40:45am

re: #242 Killgore Trout
I guess the whole concept of changing the gov't at the ballot box is beyond them. I took that oath 5 times while in the service, and even though I'm a conservative, maniacs who talk about violent overthrow are my enemies.

250 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:41:13am

re: #226 drcordell

All kidding aside I think the rest of the news media is useless not because of bias, but because of their fear of perceived bias. They can't call a spade a spade because they are terrified of being called "partisan."

So instead of a segment that states "FACT: death panels are a lie", they run the headline "Death Panels?" and then bring on a Democrat talking head and a Republican talking head to argue about it for 15 minutes. And in the end the truth is never actually uncovered. You simply hear two partisan idiots bickering at each other. Instead of an actual journalist doing their job and identifying the truth.

Respectfully disagree. Somebody reported the truth on "death panels", else we would not know it.

251 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:41:13am

re: #224 RogueOne

Who each worker personally votes for has no bearing on the fact they are all owned by large corporations responsible to advertisers.

All the sunday shows tilt right of center, and to the best of my knowledge always have done. The equivalency of coverage is maddening - worse is when a conservative is on and a centrist is brought on to refute. Either have the Centrist on by themself, or let a (real) liberal and conservative go at it.
Centrists don't make Liberal arguments - and the pundits/experts are usually center/center right.

252 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:41:19am

re: #238 RogueOne

I'm failing to see your point. Is there not enough time for maddow/olbermann/matthews/andrea mitchell/ed shultz on there for you to dilute one guy in the morning? See what I mean when I say they absolutely lean left, just not as left as you would like.

In their OPINION PROGRAMMING they lean left. When you turn on Schultz or Maddow or Olbermann or Matthews you know you are getting opinion. Those are outright opinion shows. Their daily news coverage before 5 pm is not partisan.

253 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:41:43am

re: #243 albusteve
I know. I don't remember which founder it was, one of them warned about a political ruling clas.

254 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:41:54am

re: #233 drcordell

Nobody said that. They simply have to contend with the idiotic news media just like the GOP does. Except they dont have one channel they can rely on to trumpet their party line 24/7/365 like Fox News.

booga booga! There's republicans coming to get you! run!

255 avanti  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:41:57am

re: #220 Charles

At LGF I posted quotes from dozens of Hot Air comments advocating violence and revolution, and as far as I know none of them were ever deleted.

No doubt they are late, but he's both banning and deleting, and some are very unhappy. If Hot Air is not far right enough for them, they are in big trouble.

256 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:42:07am

Tea Party planned at Senate Parliamentarian's home.

Tea party protesters are reportedly planning a protest at the home of Senate Parliamentarian Alan Frumin later this week, prompting Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Terrance Gainer to work with local law enforcement officials to ensure Frumin’s safety.

Roll Call

257 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:42:18am

Dead man squawking: We Will Execute Americans If You Harm KSM

In an audiotape released Thursday, Osama bin Laden threatened to kill any captured Americans if the U.S. government executes accused 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Muhammad.

Because killing prisoners is something of a new approach for them apparently.

/

258 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:43:17am

re: #244 drcordell
Upding for that. I think you and I are on opposite sides of the aisle, but you're right.

259 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:43:17am

Johnny Cash shot a man in Reno just to watch him die but he was aiming at Eric Cantor's office.

260 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:44:09am

re: #257 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dead man squawking: We Will Execute Americans If You Harm KSM

Because killing prisoners is something of a new approach for them apparently.

/

This is the problem with getting a rep for killing civilians and prisoners and stuff. Your new threats don't work so good.

261 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:44:15am

re: #255 avanti

No doubt they are late, but he's both banning and deleting, and some are very unhappy. If Hot Air is not far right enough for them, they are in big trouble.

They can always find a home at Free Republic. Of course they also have to be homophobic-creationists in addition to being violence advocating wingnuts.

262 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:44:16am

re: #252 drcordell

The proper news anchors haul GOP shills over the coals the way the other networks do to liberals - all neworks should grill all shills the way MSNBC tackles the far-right.

Might get some answers out of some them then.

263 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:44:32am

re: #245 MandyManners
Hi Mandy. He seems to be on permanent campaign and he's the Pres. So the airtime comes with the office.

264 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:44:34am

re: #249 pingjockey

I took that oath 5 times while in the service, and even though I'm a conservative, maniacs who talk about violent overthrow are my enemies.

A friend of mine who served in the Marines for many years goes apoplectic every time someone brings up the Oath Keepers and all these other self-styled "patriot" or "revolutionary" types. He absolutely loathes those people, and he's the furthest thing from a Democrat or an Obama supporter at all.

He'll start ranting, saying that he didn't have a choice on what orders to follow, and they don't either, and that they can go fuck themselves. He's normally the sweetest guy, but these militia types really piss him off something fierce.

265 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:44:34am

I think this one is from an ex-Lizard....

One more thought: I’ve been thinking for weeks that this country is like forests in the West, pure tinder. All it’s going to take for the whole thing to go up in flames is a spark. This country is going to change, and it’s going to happen in the blink of an eye. Be. on. your. best. behavior.

bikermailman on March 25, 2010 at 2:40 PM

266 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:44:42am

re: #228 drcordell

Have you WORKED at a television station? I have worked in many. And they are full of fucking Republicans.

OH, I'd be willing to bet there's a fair share of fucking Democrats working in those places, as well.

267 shiplord kirel  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:44:56am

Just back from dredging the fever swamps (so you won't have to)

The DU gang has no hesitation in declaring that Cantor either staged this himself or made it up out of whole cloth.
Cantor Lies Through His Teeth About The Shooting & Says It's The Dems Who Are Fanning The Flames

The rival nutburgers at Free Republic are equally certain that this is the beginning of the Apocalypse, with Obammunist ACORN mobs likely to pour into the streets and start rounding up patriots and Christians any minute now.

Think I'm kidding?

Why do I get the feeling BO/BS will use such incidents as an excuse to call for martial law or similar tactic some time in the future, possibly prior to the November elections?


You are probably correct. Martial Law for all conseratives on November 4, Everyone else is free to move about the country like the Roaming Gnome.
268 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:44:58am

re: #254 cliffster

booga booga! There's republicans coming to get you! run!

Hey, Fox News is entitled to do whatever they like. Mostly I just feel sorry for the plebes who watch it and think they're actually informing themselves. As David Frum recently pointed out, the GOP thought Fox News worked for them, but now they're realizing that they work for Fox News.

What's good for Fox's ratings does not win elections. Fox wants hyper-partisanship. If 15% of the nation exclusively watches Fox News, that makes them far and away the most popular channel on cable. But 15% doesn't win you shit in an election. The GOP needs to realize that Fox is doing nothing but marginalizing their views en route to massive, massive profits.

269 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:45:19am

re: #256 Stanley Sea

Tea Party planned at Senate Parliamentarian's home.

Jesus.
So the guy does his job and they don't like it so they are going to protest at his home.
assholes.

(and yes, anyone who protests at anyone's house is an asshole)

270 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:46:00am

re: #266 reine.de.tout

Was about to say - i'm sure the democratic employees also have sex lives.

271 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:46:14am

Another ex-lizard.....

It is going to quickly turn into Krystalnacht. We are the Jews of Germany to them They think us responsible for all their suffering, all their vices, all their sins and their failures. We got a great deal of wealth and they think they are entitled to it.

Holger on March 25, 2010 at 2:44 PM

272 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:46:30am

re: #267 shiplord kirel

Just back from dredging the fever swamps (so you won't have to)

The DU gang has no hesitation in declaring that Cantor either staged this himself or made it up out of whole cloth.
Cantor Lies Through His Teeth About The Shooting & Says It's The Dems Who Are Fanning The Flames

The rival nutburgers at Free Republic are equally certain that this is the beginning of the Apocalypse, with Obammunist ACORN mobs likely to pour into the streets and start rounding up patriots and Christians any minute now.

Think I'm kidding?

Thank you, Shiplord.

Wow. Rival nutburgers.

273 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:46:48am

re: #266 reine.de.tout

OH, I'd be willing to bet there's a fair share of fucking Democrats working in those places, as well.

Right. It's just like any other major industry, a microcosm of America. I wasn't the one making the point that the entire media is some sort of bastion of liberalism.

274 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:46:51am

re: #269 webevintage

There should be a counter protest - hoever rousing people in support of an ombudsman is never an easy task at the best of times.

275 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:47:15am

re: #264 Lidane
I can see his point. A lot of the "militia' types never served and are wannabes.

276 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:47:27am

re: #272 SanFranciscoZionist

Here i am - stuck in the middle with you..............

277 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:47:50am

re: #263 pingjockey

Hi Mandy. He seems to be on permanent campaign and he's the Pres. So the airtime comes with the office.

"Seems"?

278 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:48:22am

re: #270 wozzablog

Was about to say - i'm sure the democratic employees also have sex lives.

hey - you stole my line

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:48:27am

re: #269 webevintage

Jesus.
So the guy does his job and they don't like it so they are going to protest at his home.
assholes.

(and yes, anyone who protests at anyone's house is an asshole)

Code Pink has been practically camped out in front of Pelosi and Feinstein's places for years. The neighbors have gotten used to it.

It is a very schmucky strategy, although it varies greatly in how much it actually scares or inconveniences the target.

280 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:48:33am

re: #256 Stanley Sea
Goddamned idiots.

281 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:48:37am

re: #277 MandyManners

"Seems"?

You should have seen it when he landed that airplane on an aircraft carrier to hold a press conference! Best campaign stop ever!

282 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:48:58am

re: #277 MandyManners
Oops.

283 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:49:10am

re: #259 Conservative Moonbat

Someone was going to end up in Starkville City Jail after picking flowers on the side of the road... by a coffin. /

284 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:49:39am

re: #277 MandyManners

"Seems"?

It is pretty outrageous that the president is on TV a lot.

285 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:49:49am

re: #273 drcordell

Right. It's just like any other major industry, a microcosm of America. I wasn't the one making the point that the entire media is some sort of bastion of liberalism.

Actually, I mostly just wanted to use that opportunity to respond to your 'fucking Republicans', with a 'fucking Democrats".

I'm neither at this point so I have no dog in this fight.

286 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:50:04am

re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist
The code pink women only scare me when they take off their shirts.

287 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:50:29am

re: #283 lawhawk

Someone was going to end up in Starkville City Jail after picking flowers on the side of the road... by a coffin. /

Were they planning to put the flowers on the grave after they buried the coffin?

288 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:51:00am

re: #281 drcordell
Y'all are just mad cause GWB looked really good in a flight suit.

289 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:51:08am

I remember how Clinton was going to declare martial law, based on Y2K crisis, and refuse to leave office indefinitely. Hail King William.

290 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:51:58am

re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist

Code Pink has been practically camped out in front of Pelosi and Feinstein's places for years. The neighbors have gotten used to it.

It is a very schmucky strategy, although it varies greatly in how much it actually scares or inconveniences the target.

I think having militant pacifists camped out in your yard would be a bit less unnerving than having tea partiers there but that's just me.

291 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:52:08am

re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist

Code Pink has been practically camped out in front of Pelosi and Feinstein's places for years. The neighbors have gotten used to it.

It is a very schmucky strategy, although it varies greatly in how much it actually scares or inconveniences the target.

I don't agree with camping out in front of anybodys house. That being said, a bunch of peace activist hippies in front of my house would probably just annoy me. A bunch of teabaggers holding signs referencing armed revolt and holding a coffin might make me a bit more nervous...

292 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:52:31am

re: #289 cliffster
That was some silly shit. I ended up with a couple cases of Danish canned ham cause my BiL thought y2k was the end.

293 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:52:38am

re: #252 drcordell

you guys are never satisfied, count your blessings and move on. You have nbc, cbs, abc, msnbc, cnn, nytimes, wapo, newsweek, the nation, huffpo, kos, and media matters all to counter the evil beck-ians on fox. It could be worse, much, much worse.

294 shiplord kirel  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:53:05am

re: #286 pingjockey

The code pink women only scare me when they take off their shirts.

The "boobs not bombs" protest was about 30 years late on average. Time and gravity make no ideological distinctions.

295 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:53:08am

re: #286 pingjockey

The code pink women only scare me when they take off their shirts.

I guess my point was that Pelosi and Feinstein are both out of town a lot, and their kids are already grown and out of the house. So, basically, the Code Pinkers sit on the sidewalk and chant, and it's not such a big deal.

I was thinking of Perionello's brother as the counterexample. Dude's not a politician, has kids at home, and the people coming over were a totally unknown quantity. That's scary.

296 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:53:08am

re: #284 garhighway

It is pretty outrageous that the president is on TV a lot.

Right. You know that if he wasn't on TV all the time as is alleged they'd be saying something about him not being on TV enough.

From my own experience I haven't seen Obama speak since Saturday or Friday prior to the House vote. I think most people that have the perception that he's on TV too much watch too much TV to begin with.

297 albusteve  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:53:09am

re: #284 garhighway

It is pretty outrageous that the president is on TV a lot.

not outrageous, just boring...I think he knows his image is his trump card, don't you?

298 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:53:09am

re: #289 cliffster

I remember how Clinton was going to declare martial law, based on Y2K crisis, and refuse to leave office indefinitely. Hail King William.

Man, I miss the days when all we had to worry about was a good blowjob scandal.

299 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:53:21am

re: #288 pingjockey

Y'all are just mad cause GWB looked really good in a flight suit.

I'm not mad, merely pointing out how blatantly hypocritical and/or shortsighted MandyManners is. The President gets to be on TV when he wants. It's part of the gig, and has been for some time. Deal with it.

300 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:53:31am

re: #293 RogueOne

you guys are never satisfied, count your blessings and move on. You have nbc, cbs, abc, msnbc, cnn, nytimes, wapo, newsweek, the nation, huffpo, kos, and media matters all to counter the evil beck-ians on fox. It could be worse, much, much worse.

False equivalence.

301 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:53:43am

re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist
True.

302 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:53:51am

re: #289 cliffster

I remember how Clinton was going to declare martial law, based on Y2K crisis, and refuse to leave office indefinitely. Hail King William.

Then Bush was gonna to declare himself head of the NAU, and do likewise. Why are these guys so incompetent?

303 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:54:12am

re: #244 drcordell

And once access is more important than fact-checking and honest reporting they own you and you become part of the problem as well.

304 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:54:17am

re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist

*trying to imagine septegenarian membes of code pink with assault rifles and failing*

305 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:54:24am

re: #290 Conservative Moonbat

I think having militant pacifists camped out in your yard would be a bit less unnerving than having tea partiers there but that's just me.

True. Code Pink is annoying as hell, but safe.

306 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:54:51am

re: #293 RogueOne

you guys are never satisfied, count your blessings and move on. You have nbc, cbs, abc, msnbc, cnn, nytimes, wapo, newsweek, the nation, huffpo, kos, and media matters all to counter the evil beck-ians on fox. It could be worse, much, much worse.

Yeah that liberal Washington Post. The one whose op-ed page contains Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, David Frum, Marc Theissen and George Will. Real bunch of flaming hippies they are.

Honestly. You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

307 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:55:24am

re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist

The animal rights people who threaten and harass scientists and their families (often at their homes), are pretty bad too.

308 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:55:32am

re: #293 RogueOne

you guys are never satisfied, count your blessings and move on. You have nbc, cbs, abc, msnbc, cnn, nytimes, wapo, newsweek, the nation, huffpo, kos, and media matters all to counter the evil beck-ians on fox. It could be worse, much, much worse.

Oh give me a break. There's all corporately owned. The only true leftist news show is Bill Moyers Journal on PBS and that pretty much it.

309 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:56:07am

re: #282 pingjockey

I think you were being diplomatic.

310 Kragar  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:56:21am

Evil corporations?

311 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:56:22am

The corner takes a swipe at Dick Armey and libertarians over the upcoming immigration battle:

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]


Armey's acknowledgment is actually a good sign. Libertarians like him might hold any number of outlandish, anti-conservative views — not just open borders but legalizing prostitution, for instance, or privatizing the Air Force — but so long as they keep those views to themselves, they can be useful allies for actual conservatives.
312 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:56:24am

re: #308 Conservative Moonbat

Oh give me a break. There's all corporately owned. The only true leftist news show is Bill Moyers Journal on PBS and that pretty much it.

Yeah, the leftists at General Electric have been really pushing the editorial board at NBC to criticize the Iraq War more.

313 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:56:38am

re: #299 drcordell
Oops, I was trying to be a little funny. The Pres is on tv because he's the Pres and anything he does or doesn't do is news. Remember when Clinton was having trouble with his jogging? All red faced and out of breath? The press was all over that. Can you imagine the uproar if Obama did a Gerald Ford and tripped down the stairs of AF1?

314 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:57:07am

re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist

Then Bush was gonna to declare himself head of the NAU, and do likewise. Why are these guys so incompetent?

They gave the order for marial law, and got the response, "who's Marshall?"

315 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:57:21am

re: #310 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

EEEBILLL KORPORASHUNS

316 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:57:25am

re: #260 SanFranciscoZionist

This is the problem with getting a rep for killing civilians and prisoners and stuff. Your new threats don't work so good.

Indeed. Al Qaeda is just mouthing off. A threat like that won't stop the US from executing KSM, but even with that, we're likely years away from that happening.

317 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:57:32am

re: #313 pingjockey

Oops, I was trying to be a little funny. The Pres is on tv because he's the Pres and anything he does or doesn't do is news. Remember when Clinton was having trouble with his jogging? All red faced and out of breath? The press was all over that. Can you imagine the uproar if Obama did a Gerald Ford and tripped down the stairs of AF1?

Yeah we wouldn't hear the end of it for weeks.

318 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:57:34am

re: #305 SanFranciscoZionist

True. Code Pink is annoying as hell, but safe.

Tell that to marine recruiters.

319 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:57:41am

re: #307 Mad Al-Jaffee

The animal rights people who threaten and harass scientists and their families (often at their homes), are pretty bad too.

Yeah, that group has some bad raps on them. They're a much closer parallel to the tea-party groups--self-righteous, and willing to whip up the crazy in their midst.

320 shiplord kirel  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:57:43am

Oh, cool! A tar and feathering string. Going upstairs.

321 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:57:52am

re: #306 drcordell

Yeah that liberal Washington Post. The one whose op-ed page contains Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, David Frum, Marc Theissen and George Will. Real bunch of flaming hippies they are.

Honestly. You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

Erick Erickson from Red State going over to CNN. David Weigel was just hired by the Washington Post. Glenn Beck was on CNN alongside Lou Dobbs. Yeah, flaming liberals they are.

322 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:58:28am

re: #309 MandyManners
I suppose. I just try not ot go ODS. There is enough bad craziness going on now.

323 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:58:33am

re: #290 Conservative Moonbat

I think having militant pacifists camped out in your yard would be a bit less unnerving than having tea partiers there but that's just me.

True. If you run out of crumpets there could be trouble.

324 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:58:38am

re: #298 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Man, I miss the days when all we had to worry about was a good blowjob scandal.

Same here. I'm actually nostalgic for the days where the biggest news of the day was a stained blue dress, the questionable use of cigars, and Monica Lewinsky. Sure, the crazies were still out there with their batshit conspiracies, but they were relegated to the fringes.

All this open talk of armed revolution and treason and all that is just bizarre to me, and more than a little bit nerve-wracking.

325 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:58:47am

re: #315 MandyManners

EEEBILLL KORPORASHUNS

Evil, no. But they sure as hell ain't leftist either.

326 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:58:54am

There is no way that the Republicans want repeat what they went though at Blair House or their little get together when they got to go up against the President.

I think a monthly Q&A time between the President and Congress sounds brilliant.

327 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:58:56am

re: #317 drcordell

Yeah we wouldn't hear the end of it for weeks.

Well, Bush choked on a pretzel, and the country didn't stop discussing it for a solid month.

328 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:59:01am

re: #307 Mad Al-Jaffee

The animal rights people who threaten and harass scientists and their families (often at their homes), are pretty bad too.

Those jackasses really piss me off. Thanks for making all opponents of animal cruelty seem like lunatics

329 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:59:19am

re: #321 Gus 802

Erick Erickson from Red State going over to CNN. David Weigel was just hired by the Washington Post. Glenn Beck was on CNN alongside Lou Dobbs. Yeah, flaming liberals they are.

I completely forgot about Erikson going to CNN. Could you imagine if Fox News hired Markos Moulitsis as a commentator?

330 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:59:31am

re: #256 Stanley Sea

Tea Party planned at Senate Parliamentarian's home.

Roll Call

File that under the "Teabaggers unclear on the concept" heading. The Parliamentarian is there to see to it that rules are followed. The political content of the bill is not in his purview.

331 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:59:43am

re: #305 SanFranciscoZionist

True. Code Pink is annoying as hell, but safe.

That one who put her bloody hands in Rice's face should have been brought down hard when arrested. That was pretty much assault.

I walked by her once at Union Station and I swear I could feel the hatred and evil coming off of her.

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:59:48am

re: #318 RogueOne

Tell that to marine recruiters.

Huh? Did they ever hurt anyone over there? I mean, they were a COMPLETE pain in the ass, but I don't think they ever attacked anyone.

333 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:59:54am

re: #297 albusteve

not outrageous, just boring...I think he knows his image is his trump card, don't you?

No.

His "trump card" is the stuff he says: ideas, concepts, principles.

And boring? Maybe. That's in the eye of the beholder, I guess. For my money, I kind of like having a president that can speak in complete sentences and paragraphs. Less strategery but more ideas.

334 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:00:04pm

re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

-Justin's dad is a genius.


"Sprain, huh? Did you go to medical school?... Well I did, so spare me your dog-shit diagnosis and lemme look at your ankle."


...

"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."

I wonder if Justin's dad walks with a cane and is addicted to vicodin...

335 garhighway  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:00:37pm

re: #315 MandyManners

EEEBILLL KORPORASHUNS

Who had 11:57 in the pool?

336 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:00:41pm

re: #327 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, Bush choked on a pretzel, and the country didn't stop discussing it for a solid month.

What about when Bush threw up on that Japanese ambassador?

337 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:01:12pm

re: #331 Mad Al-Jaffee

That one who put her bloody hands in Rice's face should have been brought down hard when arrested. That was pretty much assault.

I walked by her once at Union Station and I swear I could feel the hatred and evil coming off of her.

It's noticeable. These are--agitated--people.

338 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:01:14pm

re: #312 drcordell

Yeah, the leftists at General Electric have been really pushing the editorial board at NBC to criticize the Iraq War more.

You know what I mean. They couldn't get away with overt critiques of corporatism without biting the hand that feeds them so stories with a leftist economic bent don't get covered so much even on MSNBC.

339 Gus  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:01:17pm

re: #329 drcordell

I completely forgot about Erikson going to CNN. Could you imagine if Fox News hired Markos Moulitsis as a commentator?

All hell would break loose! The last liberal Fox had was Alan Colmes. He's still affiliated with Fox New Corp through radio.

340 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:01:26pm

re: #336 cliffster

What about when Bush threw up on that Japanese ambassador?

Now that shit was just plain hilarious. I still remember the SNL video where they rewound it back and forth to yo-yo the barf out of his mouth.

341 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:01:39pm

re: #329 drcordell
That's a great idea. Him and Beck could do an hour on conspiracies! Then have a duel...pies at 10 paces. Now that would be entertainment.

342 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:02:11pm

re: #336 cliffster

What about when Bush threw up on that Japanese ambassador?

Oh. I felt so bad for him. And for Barbara. And for the Japanese guy.

343 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:02:30pm

re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist

Huh? Did they ever hurt anyone over there? I mean, they were a COMPLETE pain in the ass, but I don't think they ever attacked anyone.

They defaced and physically damaged more than one station. They stood outside callling them baby-killers, traitors and terrorists. If they were tea party activists the press would be going nuts.

344 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:02:37pm

re: #338 Conservative Moonbat

You know what I mean. They couldn't get away with overt critiques of corporatism without biting the hand that feeds them so stories with a leftist economic bent don't get covered so much even on MSNBC.

Oh I agree with you 100%. I was just being tongue-in-cheek. GE makes bombs and planes and has an overt motive to cheerlead any sort of military action. The other networks are merely parts of huge corporate conglomerates which certainly don't want any of their "journalists" digging too hard into corporate tax scams, offshoring, lobbyist corruption, etc.

345 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:03:15pm

re: #341 pingjockey

That's a great idea. Him and Beck could do an hour on conspiracies! Then have a duel...pies at 10 paces. Now that would be entertainment.

Except conspiracy threads are banned from Kos just like they are at any reputable site.

346 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:03:42pm

re: #343 RogueOne

They defaced and physically damaged more than one station. They stood outside callling them baby-killers, traitors and terrorists. If they were tea party activists the press would be going nuts.

Ah, we're back to this angle.

I do not carry a torch for Code Pink, Rogue.

348 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:04:14pm

re: #310 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Corporations interested in turning a profit and not offending masses of people through their news divisions. They watch out for their own backs and play it safe and relatively down the middle by covering celebrity gossip and trying to placate everyone with moral equivalences.

Not evil - but vested in not rocking the boat.

349 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:05:00pm

re: #344 drcordell
I liked how Obama was gonna get rid of the lobbyists. He may really have believed he was going to be able to do that...until he Got into the Oval office and found out how entrenched and part of the DC power structure they are. However, he should've had a pretty good idea as a senator.

350 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:05:09pm

From the linked article:


Van Hollen told MSNBC on Wednesday that Republican leaders were "pouring more and more gasoline on the flames." Kaine, in an interview with the Huffington Post, said Republican leaders are "trying to stoke anger" with lies.

House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., in an interview with MSNBC Wednesday night, said people are getting "signals" from lawmakers on how to behave and that lawmakers need to "disown" the activity before it gets out of control. He suggested his colleagues were culpable.

"If we participate in it, either from the balcony or on the floor of the House, you are aiding and abetting this kind of terrorism, really," Clyburn said.

And Rep. Phil Hare, D-Ill., told Fox News on Thursday that he thought House Republican Leader John Boehner should step aside for not being more vocal in denouncing the threats.

"He has a responsibility to step up and put an end to this," Hare said. "I think this is despicable."

These Dem partisan wisecracks are what Cantor was directing his comments to. Cantor said: ..."such threats should not be a "partisan issue"."
Cantor is correct.

351 cliffster  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:05:23pm

re: #333 garhighway

No.

His "trump card" is the stuff he says: ideas, concepts, principles.

And boring? Maybe. That's in the eye of the beholder, I guess. For my money, I kind of like having a president that can speak in complete sentences and paragraphs. Less strategery but more ideas.

You mean like this?

352 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:05:49pm

re: #294 shiplord kirel

The "boobs not bombs" protest was about 30 years late on average. Time and gravity make no ideological distinctions.

It also provided evidence that bra-burning was perhaps the world's most counterproductive protest measure.

353 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:05:57pm

re: #345 drcordell
Really? I didn't know that. It would still be great theater though.

354 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:05:58pm

re: #322 pingjockey

I suppose. I just try not ot go ODS. There is enough bad craziness going on now.

Not all criticism is ODS.

355 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:06:12pm

re: #288 pingjockey

Y'all are just mad cause GWB looked really good in a flight suit.

Come on, we all know how good Obama would look, he is a pretty fine looking guy.
Think Will Smith in "Independence Day"....

356 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:06:53pm

re: #345 drcordell

Except conspiracy threads are banned from Kos just like they are at any reputable site.

We can't have conspiracy threads? Damn.

357 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:07:15pm

re: #346 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, we're back to this angle.

I do not carry a torch for Code Pink, Rogue.

Didn't think for a second that you did, only I disagree with the "they're not dangerous". If we're all going to condemn the rhetoric being displayed this week we for sure can't give code pink a pass by saying "they're harmless".

358 webevintage  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:07:20pm

re: #351 cliffster

You mean like this?


[Video]

I was thinking more like how he made the Republicans look like fools at their own party.

359 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:07:44pm

re: #355 webevintage
Will smith got buffed up for that movie, Obama is too damn skinny,,,IMO.

360 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:08:12pm

re: #355 webevintage

Come on, we all know how good Obama would look, he is a pretty fine looking guy.
Think Will Smith in "Independence Day"...

Or Men in Black:

[Link: punditkitchen.com...]

Heh.

361 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:08:37pm

re: #354 MandyManners
True that. Hell I've got Congress DS, both sides are driving me mad.

362 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:08:44pm

re: #344 drcordell

CNBC has done some good work on graft and the market failures leading up to the huge meltdown, they took shots at some fairly big marks - and didn't end up blaming it all on Carter. Which was nice anyway.

faber wrote this book and presented a pretty sobering documentary.

[Link: www.amazon.co.uk...]

Get past Kudlow, Kramer and Bartiromo and it's a decent network.

363 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:09:32pm

I'm gonna get some lunch and go upthread. See you fine folks in a while.

364 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:11:45pm

re: #357 RogueOne

Didn't think for a second that you did, only I disagree with the "they're not dangerous". If we're all going to condemn the rhetoric being displayed this week we for sure can't give code pink a pass by saying "they're harmless".

They have a long-tested record of a. being extremely obnoxious and b. not harming anyone physically.

If the tea partiers can get to the end of Obama's second term with as clean a record, I will be very pleased.

I brought them up in this thread, to point out that they have been camped on Pelosi and Feinstein's doorsteps for a long time.

A number of people said they'd rather have Code Pink than the current crop of the opposition on their doorsteps. I tend to agree with that.

365 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:13:39pm

re: #364 SanFranciscoZionist

They have a long-tested record of a. being extremely obnoxious and b. not harming anyone physically.

If the tea partiers can get to the end of Obama's second term with as clean a record, I will be very pleased.

I brought them up in this thread, to point out that they have been camped on Pelosi and Feinstein's doorsteps for a long time.

A number of people said they'd rather have Code Pink than the current crop of the opposition on their doorsteps. I tend to agree with that.

I don't see why. Code pink broke windows, destroyed property, and camped out in front of buildings calling men/women volunteers hateful disturbing names. How is that any different than what we're seeing now other than the scale?

366 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:15:39pm

re: #365 RogueOne

I don't see why. Code pink broke windows, destroyed property, and camped out in front of buildings calling men/women volunteers hateful disturbing names. How is that any different than what we're seeing now other than the scale?

Less rhetoric to violence, less tendency to display weapons. As I say, if we can maintain what we're seeing now, I will be both surprised and very happy. Currently, the tea party rhetoric inspired crowd is about where Code Pink stays. My fear is that I see potential for them to become violent. Code Pink's pretty much established where they're going to stay for the duration.

367 yenta-fada  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:15:42pm

re: #121 Lidane
Unless the BBC is reporting about the Middle East. It is extremely biased against Israel and regularly provides any Palestinian point of view the high ground as the eternal victim of the 'Zionist Occupation'.

368 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:15:52pm

re: #361 pingjockey

True that. Hell I've got Congress DS, both sides are driving me mad.

I'd like to see a Republican tell the nuts to focus their energies.

372 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:19:23pm

re: #365 RogueOne

When Karl Rove took the stage at the Mortgage Bankers Association annual convention at the Moscone Center in San Francisco today, CODEPINK women in the audience staged a citizen’s arrest of the former Bush Administration chief of staff, under California Code 837. This action follows on the heels of yesterday’s appearance on stage of Medea Benjamin, co-founder of CODEPINK, who disrupted the convention to ask for a moratorium on foreclosures.

Janine Boneparth, 58, of Ross, CA, walked on the stage with handcuffs and placed a cuff on Rove’s wrist before he yanked it away, while stating, “I have to make a citizens arrest. You are under arrest for treason.” (Watch film of the arrest from ABC 7 here: [Link: abclocal.go.com...]

At the same moment, Nancy Mancias, 38, of San Francisco, CA, held a banner in front of the stage that read, “Rove (hearts) torture, treason and fraud!”"Ladies and gentlemen, Karl Rove is not fit to address you today,” Mancias said. “Karl Rove was involved in lying to the American people about the Iraq war.”

SNIP

373 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:20:36pm

re: #366 SanFranciscoZionist

Less rhetoric to violence, less tendency to display weapons. As I say, if we can maintain what we're seeing now, I will be both surprised and very happy. Currently, the tea party rhetoric inspired crowd is about where Code Pink stays. My fear is that I see potential for them to become violent. Code Pink's pretty much established where they're going to stay for the duration.

Why do you hate the 2nd amendment?

/I'm j/k. I don't have a problem with people using their right to bear arms, or guns either, as long as no one is threatening to shoot anyone then they're well within their rights.

375 RogueOne  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:22:11pm

re: #374 Jadespring

OMG! The violent threat there is almost unbelievable! Someone could have been hurt!

For all you know someone in the audience gouged their eyes out for lack of eye bleach./

377 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:25:01pm

re: #367 yenta-fada

Unless the BBC is reporting about the Middle East. It is extremely biased against Israel and regularly provides any Palestinian point of view the high ground as the eternal victim of the 'Zionist Occupation'.

Quite frankly, I look at all news from or about Israel with a skeptical eye in either direction. I really don't have enough of a grasp of all the issues at play between the Israelis and the Palestinians to give an informed opinion, so I tend to gloss over that in favor of reading more general information about what's going on over there. It's also why I avoid those threads around here. I'd be completely unprepared to engage in any kind of real discussion, so I just sit back and read and try to learn more.

Overall, I consider the BBC a far better news source than any of the major networks here, just because they actually report on what's going on instead of doing this, which tends to be the media MO around here:

378 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:27:11pm

This smells fishy. This whole story smells very fishy.

I am not ready to call Cantor a liar openly, I have no idea if his office was actually shot at. I am not ready to say this was staged. I have no proof.

However, the claim that he would not want to fan flames by reporting the incident - while he is reporting the incident - in order to smear Dems... is fishy.

The fact that he is not going into who made the threats or the investigation around the alleged attack is also fishy. If someone is shooting at you, you don't say, "ahh I will take the high road and ignore it because I wouldn't want to be seen as smearing my political opponents by bringing such a trifling matter up..."

This reeks.

It also reeks because the primary meme of the right when presented with out of hand righties is to try to somehow claim that the left is just as bad if not worse. We see that again and again. The Mommy, he stole a cookie too, it's not fair that I get caught argument. This is exactly the sort of red meat BS that is tailor made to detract attention from growing right wing violence.

This reeks.

379 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:28:48pm

I'm willing to give the guy the BoD but Charles has made some interesting points about this.

380 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:30:33pm

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

My opinion as to the proper response to that sort of stunt cannot be posted here due to forum rules.

Placing your hands on another person in an unwanted manner is battery.

381 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:31:05pm

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

My opinion as to the proper response to that sort of stunt cannot be posted here due to forum rules.

I'm talking about the Code Pinker who tried to cuff Rove.

382 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:31:25pm

Cantor correctly pointed out that certain Dem. Congressmen have been using these extremist threats to score crass partisan points by publicly blaming various GOP congressmen for aiding, abetting, encouraging, failing to condemn, and otherwise participating in these terroristic threats.
To make his point, he stated that he has never suggested that any threats or violence against him was aided, abetted, etc. by any Congressman.
Instead of highlighting his valid and honourable plea for non-partisanship, Cantor has been subjected to a most partisan attack right here, IMO.

383 yenta-fada  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:31:35pm

re: #377 Lidane

Very funny video! I think, by this summer, you will find yourself having to be more informed about the Middle East. This region is heating up something fierce. In a world where perception seems to be everything and facts are irrelevant, you may want to seek out news sources that are not hopelessly biased against Israel.

384 Lidane  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:36:44pm

re: #383 yenta-fada

I understand some of the issues in general terms, but the Israeli-Palestinian conflict goes back decades and so much history is involved there that it's taken a lot of time and effort just to get even the most basic grasp about it. I had to write some term papers about it all in college, but that's hardly the basis for any sort of informed discussion.

That's not to say I don't want to learn. I do. And I know it's important. It's just been a slow going process, and the news doesn't help me much, since context is often far more important than the actual events.

385 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:37:48pm

re: #382 Spare O'Lake


To make his point, he stated that he has never suggested that any threats or violence against him was aided, abetted, etc. by any Congressman.

Exactly right. Because no Democratic Congressman has been telling his constituents that legislation he was voting on was going to kill their grandparents and rape the U.S. Constitution. That's the difference.

386 simoom  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:38:15pm

TPM - Richmond Police Statement On Cantor Office Vandalism

The Richmond Police Department released this statement Thursday:

Richmond Police Investigate Cantor Building Vandalism

March 25, 2010

The Richmond Police Department is investigating an act of vandalism at the Reagan Building, 25 E. Main St., Richmond, Virginia. A first floor window was struck by a bullet at approximately 1 a.m. on Tuesday, March 23. The building, which has several tenants including an office used by Congressman Eric Cantor, was unoccupied at the time.

A Richmond Police detective was assigned to the case. A preliminary investigation shows that a bullet was fired into the air and struck the window in a downward direction, landing on the floor about a foot from the window. The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds. There was no other damage to the room, which is used occasionally for meetings by the congressman.

387 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:39:51pm

re: #386 simoom

TPM - Richmond Police Statement On Cantor Office Vandalism

HAhahahaha. It was traveling at such high velocity that it didn't even penetrate the window blinds. There is no way this is related to HCR in any, way shape or form. It's some drunk asshat in Richmond firing off a pistol into the air and the bullet happened to land on his office.

388 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:43:46pm

re: #286 pingjockey

The code pink women only scare me when they take off their shirts.

I hear they only do that at after-hour parties.

389 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:44:56pm

re: #387 drcordell

HAhahahaha. It was traveling at such high velocity that it didn't even penetrate the window blinds. There is no way this is related to HCR in any, way shape or form. It's some drunk asshat in Richmond firing off a pistol into the air and the bullet happened to land on his office.

I'm glad you think it's so funny that a bullet made a hole in Cantor's office window. In any case, to his credit he did NOT try to blame other Congressment for this.

390 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:46:09pm

re: #382 Spare O'Lake

Cantor correctly pointed out that certain Dem. Congressmen have been using these extremist threats to score crass partisan points by publicly blaming various GOP congressmen for aiding, abetting, encouraging, failing to condemn, and otherwise participating in these terroristic threats.
To make his point, he stated that he has never suggested that any threats or violence against him was aided, abetted, etc. by any Congressman.
Instead of highlighting his valid and honourable plea for non-partisanship, Cantor has been subjected to a most partisan attack right here, IMO.

Oh bullshit Spare. The only one partisan here is you.

Cantor is blaming Dems for fanning flames by reporting that they are being attacked.

The GOP is the party who has fanned these flames for years now.

This was an openly craven thing he did. If he were honestly the victim of an attack and acting out of pure motives, his speech would have been a lot more about both parties toning things down - particularly his own - because this is getting out of hands. As it was, it was nothing more than a craven attack on Dems for his part, using his alleged tragedy (this stinks so bad that I am not certain it was not staged) as cheap political leverage. Thus even if it was as reported, he is doing exactly what he is supposedly trying to excoriate.

I am shocked and appalled that you don't see it. I though you were smarter than that.

391 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:48:18pm

re: #389 Spare O'Lake

I'm glad you think it's so funny that a bullet made a hole in Cantor's office window. In any case, to his credit he did NOT try to blame other Congressment for this.

He called a press conference to try and blame other Congressmen for it. Not to mention the fact that the bullet wasn't even intended to be fired at his office. Go read the police report again. It was fired straight up into the air, and penetrated the window with such little velocity that it couldn't even penetrate the window blinds.

392 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:48:24pm

re: #386 simoom

TPM - Richmond Police Statement On Cantor Office Vandalism

It seems fair to say that there is no way this was staged by Cantor, or any other such nonsense. And to his credit he did NOT try to make political hay with this.

393 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:49:09pm

re: #392 Spare O'Lake

It seems fair to say that there is no way this was staged by Cantor, or any other such nonsense. And to his credit he did NOT try to make political hay with this.

So why did he call a press conference? To not make political hay?

394 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:50:20pm

I knew it. It wasn't even an attack!

[Link: tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

re: #392 Spare O'Lake

It seems fair to say that there is no way this was staged by Cantor, or any other such nonsense. And to his credit he did NOT try to make political hay with this.

Ummm idiot, he is having a press conference trying to smear Dems with an incident that wasn't even an attack. How is that not making political hay?

395 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:50:50pm

re: #391 drcordell

He called a press conference to try and blame other Congressmen for it. Not to mention the fact that the bullet wasn't even intended to be fired at his office. Go read the police report again. It was fired straight up into the air, and penetrated the window with such little velocity that it couldn't even penetrate the window blinds.

The press conference was a plea for non-partisanship on the part of the Dems. That is what is was.

396 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:52:37pm

re: #395 Spare O'Lake

The press conference was a plea for non-partisanship on the part of the Dems. That is what is was.

Non-partisanship on the part of the Dems? Partisanship over the bill that they just passed successfully? What the hell do the Democrats have to be partisan about? They just won.

397 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:53:00pm

re: #394 LudwigVanQuixote

I knew it. It wasn't even an attack!

[Link: tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

The press conference was a plea for non-partisanship on the part of the Dems. That is what is was, and the rest was media spin, which you have swallowed hook, line and sinker.
BTW do you still think he might have staged it, Mr. Scientist?

Ummm idiot, he is having a press conference trying to smear Dems with an incident that wasn't even an attack. How is that not making political hay?

398 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:54:00pm

re: #394 LudwigVanQuixote

I knew it. It wasn't even an attack!

[Link: tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Ummm idiot, he is having a press conference trying to smear Dems with an incident that wasn't even an attack. How is that not making political hay?

The press conference was a plea for non-partisanship on the part of the Dems. That is what is was, and the rest was media spin, which you have swallowed hook, line and sinker.
BTW do you still think he might have staged it, Mr. Scientist?

399 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:56:10pm

re: #398 Spare O'Lake

The press conference was a plea for non-partisanship on the part of the Dems. That is what is was, and the rest was media spin, which you have swallowed hook, line and sinker.
BTW do you still think he might have staged it, Mr. Scientist?

Yeah. "Media spin" cut the gas lines at a Congressman's brother's house.

400 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:57:27pm

re: #398 Spare O'Lake

The press conference was a plea for non-partisanship on the part of the Dems. That is what is was, and the rest was media spin, which you have swallowed hook, line and sinker.
BTW do you still think he might have staged it, Mr. Scientist?

No I think he opportunistically mis characterized an accident in order to make political hay. Isn't that obvious now mr. idiot?

401 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:58:56pm

re: #396 drcordell

Non-partisanship on the part of the Dems? Partisanship over the bill that they just passed successfully? What the hell do the Democrats have to be partisan about? They just won.

It is partisan for Dem Congressmen to blame GOP Congressmen for these threats by far-right extremists. Yes it is.

402 simoom  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:59:31pm

re: #398 Spare O'Lake

The press conference was a plea for non-partisanship on the part of the Dems.

He accused Dems of "dangerously fanning the flames". What danger was he blaming them for, albeit indirectly, if not the shooting and threatening phone calls he'd just described?

403 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:03:17pm

re: #401 Spare O'Lake

It is partisan for Dem Congressmen to blame GOP Congressmen for these threats by far-right extremists. Yes it is.

Oh yes, it's partisan. Doesn't mean it's not justified. The GOP has been playing with fire for over a year now. Riling up these idiots and telling them all sorts of absurd lies about what HCR entails. That their grandmothers will be put to death. That the bill funds abortions. That they will be forced to take government administered healthcare. That healthcare opponents will be rounded up into FEMA camps. That this plan is unconstitutional. All of it nothing but lies.

So yes, each person must take responsibility for their own actions. And the actors who commit violence against Democratic officials should be held accountable. But the GOP is without blame in this. They have created the environment of fear in which this violence is taking place.

404 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:03:41pm

re: #403 drcordell

But the GOP is NOTwithout blame in this.

PIMF

405 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:04:22pm

re: #400 LudwigVanQuixote

No I think he opportunistically mis characterized an accident in order to make political hay. Isn't that obvious now mr. idiot?

No it isn't Dr. Moron.
The police statement was only released today, by the way.
And he did not blame the Dems for the vandalism. Besides, wouldn't you be a bit upset if a bullet broke your window?

406 drcordell  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:05:23pm

re: #405 Spare O'Lake

No it isn't Dr. Moron.
The police statement was only released today, by the way.
And he did not blame the Dems for the vandalism. Besides, wouldn't you be a bit upset if a bullet broke your window?

Wouldn't you wait to find out what the police had to say about a 3-day old incident before calling a press conference?

407 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:08:40pm

re: #402 simoom

He accused Dems of "dangerously fanning the flames". What danger was he blaming them for, albeit indirectly, if not the shooting and threatening phone calls he'd just described?

No, no, no...read my previous post which quoted some of the Dem conduct he was complaining about - nothing to do with the shooting/phone calls. You (and many here) obviously did not read the first article which Chales linked.

408 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:19:25pm

BBL

409 Olsonist  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:20:39pm

re: #238 RogueOne

I'm failing to see your point. Is there not enough time for maddow/olbermann/matthews/andrea mitchell/ed shultz on there for you to dilute one guy in the morning? See what I mean when I say they absolutely lean left, just not as left as you would like.

Andrea Mitchell is no liberal.

410 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:22:46pm

re: #403 drcordell

Oh yes, it's partisan. Doesn't mean it's not justified. The GOP has been playing with fire for over a year now. Riling up these idiots and telling them all sorts of absurd lies about what HCR entails. That their grandmothers will be put to death. That the bill funds abortions. That they will be forced to take government administered healthcare. That healthcare opponents will be rounded up into FEMA camps. That this plan is unconstitutional. All of it nothing but lies.

So yes, each person must take responsibility for their own actions. And the actors who commit violence against Democratic officials should be held accountable. But the GOP is without blame in this. They have created the environment of fear in which this violence is taking place.

Yes, I agree that the GOP is not entirely without blame. But do you not agree that Cantor had a point when he complained of the partisan nature of the following items which were quoted in the first article that Charles linked?:


Van Hollen told MSNBC on Wednesday that Republican leaders were "pouring more and more gasoline on the flames." Kaine, in an interview with the Huffington Post, said Republican leaders are "trying to stoke anger" with lies.

House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., in an interview with MSNBC Wednesday night, said people are getting "signals" from lawmakers on how to behave and that lawmakers need to "disown" the activity before it gets out of control. He suggested his colleagues were culpable.

"If we participate in it, either from the balcony or on the floor of the House, you are aiding and abetting this kind of terrorism, really," Clyburn said.

And Rep. Phil Hare, D-Ill., told Fox News on Thursday that he thought House Republican Leader John Boehner should step aside for not being more vocal in denouncing the threats.

"He has a responsibility to step up and put an end to this," Hare said. "I think this is despicable."

411 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:36:39pm

re: #410 Spare O'Lake

Sorry baby, the facts speak for themselves.

He talks about attacks on his office. There was no attack. He lied.

He tries to blame the Dems for whipping up fury over attacks that actually happened to them. Sorry, but when people of color are called the N word, they have a right to be pissed. When peopl try to cut your gas lines, or do coffin stunts, those are clearly threatening and they have a right to be pissed.

It is a form of lie to try to belittle this.

That lie is compounded by claiming he is taking the high road by not flipping out over his own "attack" when there was no attack.

The lie is further compounded by blaming the Dems for the whole mess of violent craziness and fanned flames, when everyone knows it was the GOP who has been fanning those flames.

Lies, damn lies and sick cowardly lies.

The biggest lie of course is in claiming that he want's to rise above partisanship, when he is being a clear partisan hack himself.

412 JoyousMN  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 1:43:40pm

re: #82 drcordell

Fox News literally serves as the media wing of the GOP. There is no analogy for the Democrats.

Yes. Sean Hannity even raises money for them directly.

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

[Link: www.politico.com...]

413 TheSextons  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:37:43pm

From WAPO:

"I've received threats since I assumed elected office, not only because of my position but also because I'm Jewish,'' [Cantor] said. "I've never blamed anyone in this body for that, period. Any suggestion that a leader in this body would incite threats or acts against other members is akin to saying that I would endanger myself, my wife or my children."

What a rightwing nutjob. I bet Sarah Palin told him to make the story up about the gunshot.

414 TheSextons  Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:46:56pm

re: #403 drcordell

That this plan is unconstitutional. All of it nothing but lies.

Is it your contention that the commerce clause provides the authority to compel citizens to purchase a private commodity?


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