Colbert, Frum, and the Conservative Elephant Graveyard
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:36:54pm |
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Virginia Plain Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:39:40pm |
Comparing the GOP with Scientology: Priceless.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:41:30pm |
Elephants and parties can die...conservatism will live on, just not as a political influence...I laugh when I hear this stuff
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:41:46pm |
"You have been cast into the darkness, where there will be wailing, and gnashing of teeth!"
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:42:41pm |
A lone voice in a sea of insanity.
Who was the conservative who asked Charles to rethink his stand on "Why I parted ways with the Right?" Was it Frum?
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Cato the Elder Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:43:35pm |
Best quote:
"Sir, what is it like to get fired from a think-tank for thinking outside of the tank?"
Well, *ahem*, I have to say, *cough*, it's like being beaten upside the head by David Miscavage.
NTTAWWT.
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Virginia Plain Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:45:18pm |
re: #7 SanFranciscoZionist
"You have been cast into the darkness, where there will be wailing, and gnashing of teeth!"
Or "You have been declared an SP".
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keloyd Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:45:56pm |
In the 80's and 90's we had Jesse Helms saying stupid crap all the time. The Republican leadership (the "young turks" of the 80s) couldn't stop it, but they also didn't put him front and center. Now, we have Bachmann getting national attention every few days. David Frum remembers the smart, rational, grownups who used to be in charge! He's talking about The Before Time!
I'm predicting this crazy-anarchist-conservatism phase will end ~2016, but not sooner.
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Uninformed Opinion Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:47:38pm |
I have heard a number of interviews with Frum in the last few days, he is playing the voice of reason. At least someone is.
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:48:35pm |
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Cato the Elder Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:49:00pm |
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Political Atheist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:49:47pm |
re: #12 Uninformed Opinion
The sensible conservatives have nothing to offer the media. Not ratings, not gaffes, not a majority. Just a few cogent thoughts. CNN desperate for viewers observes this and says "next".
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:51:06pm |
re: #11 keloyd
In the 80's and 90's we had Jesse Helms saying stupid crap all the time. The Republican leadership (the "young turks" of the 80s) couldn't stop it, but they also didn't put him front and center. Now, we have Bachmann getting national attention every few days. David Frum remembers the smart, rational, grownups who used to be in charge! He's talking about The Before Time!
I'm predicting this crazy-anarchist-conservatism phase will end ~2016, but not sooner.
Why in 2016? Is it that the once Obama is gone, the open election will draw better Republican candidates?
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:51:32pm |
I watched a bit of the Anderson Cooper thing. I still don't get the whole Navy uniforms thing. What kind of religious requirement is that? Why do they do that?
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Uninformed Opinion Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:52:38pm |
anyone see the obama/carter billboard?
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albusteve Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:52:57pm |
re: #17 Escaped Hillbilly
I watched a bit of the Anderson Cooper thing. I still don't get the whole Navy uniforms thing. What kind of religious requirement is that? Why do they do that?
must be Scientology's Gestapo...the heavy hitters?
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Lidane Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:52:58pm |
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Gus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:53:17pm |
As Frum states the early form of health care reform was modeled after RomneyCare. Frum suggested that it would have been a better route for the GOP to work with Democrats in the Senate. To that end this would point to a deficiency in the leadership and reasoning of the Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) who amongst other things is well known for being a hypocrite with regards to pork and earmarks.
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jaunte Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:53:18pm |
re: #14 Cato the Elder
'Suppressive Person', someone critical of Scientology who has thereby made themselves an outlawed target:
[Link: www.xenu-directory.net...]
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:54:18pm |
re: #17 Escaped Hillbilly
I watched a bit of the Anderson Cooper thing. I still don't get the whole Navy uniforms thing. What kind of religious requirement is that? Why do they do that?
L.R. Hubbard was in the Navy. It's just a hold over from his Navy days, he liked the uniforms and the regimented look, and it was a way to separate the "Believers" from other religious groups, sets them apart.
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Virginia Plain Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:54:37pm |
re: #17 Escaped Hillbilly
I watched a bit of the Anderson Cooper thing. I still don't get the whole Navy uniforms thing. What kind of religious requirement is that? Why do they do that?
Scientology has it's own quasi-military called the Sea Organization. Link: Wikipedia
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albusteve Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:54:43pm |
re: #20 Lidane
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
good grief, what a bunch of self serving tripe...it's laughable
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:54:47pm |
re: #19 albusteve
That's funny. But really, I was seriously wondering. I don't know that much about them and that struck me as odd.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:55:10pm |
re: #14 Cato the Elder
What's that? Social pariah?
You didn't know what that was... I'm surprised. Suppressive Person, it's Hubbards word for an apostate.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:56:21pm |
re: #26 Escaped Hillbilly
That's funny. But really, I was seriously wondering. I don't know that much about them and that struck me as odd.
it is odd...freaky and insidious too imo...bunch of lunatics
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Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:56:27pm |
Ok, here's my (classical liberal) ideas of what "conservativism" needs to become. This problem has been brewing for a while. Republican politicians since Reagan (and probably before) have had to campaign on impossible and impractical ideas; prayer in schools, teaching creationism, repealing gun control laws, abolishing the Department of Education, outlawing abortion, Constitutional bans on gay marriage. None of these things are going to happen.
Here's another thing that's never going to happen: smaller government. I know "Government that governs least, governs best" is a nice quote but it's not really true, is it? Not in the real world. Conservatives need to start working on more efficient ideas for government, eliminating waste but smaller government isn't realistic and it's simply bad policy.
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Virginia Plain Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:56:38pm |
re: #19 albusteve
must be Scientology's Gestapo...the heavy hitters?
No, Scientology's "gestapo" is the Office of Special Affairs. They're the ones responsible for threatening to sue the crap out of anyone that speaks out against them.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:56:47pm |
re: #26 Escaped Hillbilly
That's funny. But really, I was seriously wondering. I don't know that much about them and that struck me as odd.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The funny thing about it, years ago, Scientology preached that if one came to know that information in that wiki link without being properly cleared of your thetans, you would die.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:57:26pm |
re: #25 albusteve
good grief, what a bunch of self serving tripe...it's laughable
$cientology has a whole group vocabulary. It's a way to make them "special," gives them recognition among each other. You're not one of them if you don't know the jargon.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:57:29pm |
re: #16 Dark_Falcon
Why in 2016? Is it that the once Obama is gone, the open election will draw better Republican candidates?
The current leaderless turmoil will inevitably cast capable people to the fore.
...won't it...?
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:57:45pm |
re: #30 Virginia Plain
No, Scientology's "gestapo" is the Office of Special Affairs. They're the ones responsible for threatening to sue the crap out of anyone that speaks out against them.
There's been a number of wrongful death suits filed against Scientology over the years as well.
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Virginia Plain Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:58:01pm |
re: #32 Walter L. Newton
$cientology has a whole group vocabulary. It's a way to make them "special," gives them recognition among each other. You're not one of them if you don't know the jargon.
Anyone who is not one of them is called a wog.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:58:48pm |
re: #24 Virginia Plain
Scientology has it's own quasi-military called the Sea Organization. Link: Wikipedia
80 trillion years! How do they know that? It sounds like something an 8 year old wrote. Makes the crazies that wanted to share water with RA Heinlein sound normal.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:58:55pm |
re: #21 Gus 802
To that end this would point to a deficiency in the leadership and reasoning of the Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) who amongst other things is well known for being a hypocrite with regards to pork and earmarks.
That's only the tip of the hypocrisy iceberg. We've already seen Republicans taking credit at home for stimulus money they opposed in Washington. In another decade or so they'll be claiming credit as the architects for Healthcare reform.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:59:07pm |
re: #31 marjoriemoon
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The funny thing about it, years ago, Scientology preached that if one came to know that information in that wiki link without being properly cleared of your thetans, you would die.
My thetans and I have never been closer. Next year we plan to tour all of America's major ballparks together.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:59:28pm |
By the way, I've watched "Battlefield Earth".
What it comes down to is all the grrrls with perky tits and all the guys with balls are being hunted down by Progs who want them to have, willy nilly, nasty Prog health care.
The perfect convergence of Tea Party Nation with $cientology. "Pay us a mere $1,500 per cleansing session, and you'll be fit to take on the Progs."
Oh my.
[fishes in wallet]
"Would I still get to look at the perky tits if I paid you half up front?"
[Cato is unceremoniously shown the door]
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:00:23pm |
The best expose' of Scientology I ever read was A Piece Of Blue Sky. The "church" sued him into bankruptcy for it, though.
In fact, I urge everyone not to post any copyrighted Scientology writings here at LGF. They are a dangerous cult of vicious swindlers, and wouldn't think twice about serving papers on Charles.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:00:24pm |
re: #37 Escaped Hillbilly
80 trillion years! How do they know that? It sounds like something an 8 year old wrote. Makes the crazies that wanted to share water with RA Heinlein sound normal.
Well, L. Ron was quite the sci-fi writer. He just got a wee bit full of himself.
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Political Atheist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:00:28pm |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
So declares the classical liberal. Okay, but one's political opposite may not be the best person to define what the best you can do or be is. I disagree on the smaller government. Better checks and balances often outperform direct government intervention.
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Girth Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:00:29pm |
re: #24 Virginia Plain
Scientology has it's own quasi-military called the Sea Organization. Link: Wikipedia
Members of the Sea Org sign an employment contract with the organization for one billion years.
Bwahahaha!
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:01:08pm |
re: #32 Walter L. Newton
$cientology has a whole group vocabulary. It's a way to make them "special," gives them recognition among each other. You're not one of them if you don't know the jargon.
So do Trekkies and Sci Fi fans in general. I am clearly and apostate as I still use the old terms for these things.
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keloyd Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:01:12pm |
re: #16 Dark_Falcon
You know how generals and politicians always look back and use the last war's strategy in the current fight, like how we were scrupulous to not have another 'Viet Nam' in Iraq 1.0? Well, I'm doing the same thing.
Leading up to 1992, we had a successful war and good economy. No 1st tier candidate wanted to waste his time and run against a very competent incumbent? Then Bill Clinton fell backwards into good luck with a recession and a ton of charisma. I'm thinking something analogous is in our near future. The inmates seem to be in charge of the asylum in part because no 1st tier people see any hope of getting a payoff for building a coalition and leading.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:01:19pm |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
Ok, here's my (classical liberal) ideas of what "conservativism" needs to become. This problem has been brewing for a while. Republican politicians since Reagan (and probably before) have had to campaign on impossible and impractical ideas; prayer in schools, teaching creationism, repealing gun control laws, abolishing the Department of Education, outlawing abortion, Constitutional bans on gay marriage. None of these things are going to happen.
Here's another thing that's never going to happen: smaller government. I know "Government that governs least, governs best" is a nice quote but it's not really true, is it? Not in the real world. Conservatives need to start working on more efficient ideas for government, eliminating waste but smaller government isn't realistic and it's simply bad policy.
very true and it's a shame that it isn't a bipartisan issue...there are scores of billions of tax dollars lining pockets, buying martinis, and getting people rich and influenced...govt waste must be nothing less than appaling....HCR could be financed easily from the pool of money that just goes bye bye
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:02:07pm |
re: #35 Virginia Plain
Anyone who is not one of them is called a wog.
Most exclusive religious groups have a group language that's used to both identify members and exclude non members. Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are prime examples. They have replaced the standard Christian jargon with terms of their own. Jehovah's Witnesses call a meeting place a Kingdom Hall instead of a church. The Memorial instead of holy communion and so forth.
It's designed to re-socialize the membership and isolate them from the rest of society and the standard concepts of "church."
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Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:02:38pm |
re: #43 Rightwingconspirator
Okay, but one's political opposite may not be the best person to define what the best you can do or be is.
True but I am not the political opposite of conservative: Classical Liberal
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albusteve Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:02:45pm |
re: #32 Walter L. Newton
$cientology has a whole group vocabulary. It's a way to make them "special," gives them recognition among each other. You're not one of them if you don't know the jargon.
sounds just like nursing school
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Girth Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:02:53pm |
I suddenly have the urge to form a small pirate fleet and declare war on the Sea Org.
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laZardo Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:02:59pm |
Good news, everyone! (/professor fry accent)
South African white supremacist Eugene Terreblanche has been beaten to death.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:03:30pm |
re: #37 Escaped Hillbilly
80 trillion years! How do they know that? It sounds like something an 8 year old wrote. Makes the crazies that wanted to share water with RA Heinlein sound normal.
What did you expect from a "religious" leader that started out as a hack scifi writer. Hubbard wrote horrible space opera for magazines.
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Querent Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:03:39pm |
re: #44 Girth
The pay scale's great, but the retirement plan sucks...
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:03:51pm |
re: #42 marjoriemoon
That wasn't very good as sci fi goes. I've read a couple of his books. Couldn't hold a candle to Heinlein, Asimov, or LeGuin.
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Virginia Plain Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:03:51pm |
re: #50 albusteve
sounds just like nursing school
Oh goodness, no f-ing kidding. How I hate having to work on my care plans and coming up with the right nursing diagnosis. My "favorite" one: Disturbed energy field.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:03:55pm |
I liked Frum's take on the Generation Gap:
For half a century, Americans have been asked to choose between two myths about their country's recent past. In one, the heroes are the parents; in the other, the children. In the parents' myth, the middle years of this century were a time of peace and prosperity, the well-deserved reward for enduring the Depression, defeating the Nazis, and resisting communism. In the children's, those same years were a dark epoch of racism, sexism, and homophobia, when Hollywood liberals flinched every time the doorbell rang, fearing it was the FBI come to tell them they couldn't write screenplays any more. In the children's myth, Americans huddled frozen and miserable (like Pepperland under the dominion of the Blue Meanies in the Beatles' _Yellow Submarine_) until the brave, joyous protesters of the 1960s liberated them. In the parents', a golden age of patriotism and duty was wrecked by draft-dodging, pot-smoking, hippie-turned-yuppie lowlifes. It is like the extinction of the dinosaurs: One minute giants are walking the earth, then suddenly--CRASH!--a comet smacks the planet and the giants are replaced overnight by tiny rat-like creatures.
--David Frum, _How We Got Here_, 2000
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:03:56pm |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
Ok, here's my (classical liberal) ideas of what "conservativism" needs to become. This problem has been brewing for a while. Republican politicians since Reagan (and probably before) have had to campaign on impossible and impractical ideas; prayer in schools, teaching creationism, repealing gun control laws, abolishing the Department of Education, outlawing abortion, Constitutional bans on gay marriage. None of these things are going to happen.
Here's another thing that's never going to happen: smaller government. I know "Government that governs least, governs best" is a nice quote but it's not really true, is it? Not in the real world. Conservatives need to start working on more efficient ideas for government, eliminating waste but smaller government isn't realistic and it's simply bad policy.
The bolded one has often happened, and a GOP congress allowed the Federal Assault Weapons Ban to sunset. Those others are losers, but expanding gun rights has often been done to electoral success by the GOP.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:03:57pm |
re: #51 Girth
I suddenly have the urge to form a small pirate fleet and declare war on the Sea Org.
I'M IN!....
get some!
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swamprat Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:03:58pm |
Repeal and Replace.
Right.
Hey! We fought against every aspect of public healthcare, but by golly!, you can trust us to fix it right up, and give AMERICA the medical care it needs and deserves!
Yep. That'll fly alrighty. Gonna be republicans, all the way, from now on!
Democrats are loose with the credit cards, but the sane republicans are coming to the rescue!
That's them, wearing the propeller beanies and carrying "John Birch Was Right!" placards.
We are so screwed.
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Gus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:04:12pm |
re: #38 Killgore Trout
That's only the tip of the hypocrisy iceberg. We've already seen Republicans taking credit at home for stimulus money they opposed in Washington. In another decade or so they'll be claiming credit as the architects for Healthcare reform.
I saw that. Happened soon after the Sunday vote.
Still on the earmarks. Here's the top 5 for the 110th Congress in the Senate:
Thad Cochran (R-Miss) MS $2,152,849,275
Wicker, RogerRoger Wicker (R-Miss) MS $1,209,650,800
Harkin, TomTom Harkin (D-Iowa) IA $945,582,236
Landrieu, Mary LMary L Landrieu (D-La) LA $921,375,173
Grassley, ChuckChuck Grassley (R-Iowa) IA $869,051,006
That's in total cost. So 3 out of 5 of the top spenders in the Senate were Republicans for both cycles of the 110th.
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Political Atheist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:04:13pm |
re: #49 Killgore Trout
Well that point goes to you! In spades. :)
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Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:04:52pm |
re: #47 albusteve
...govt waste must be nothing less than appaling...HCR could be financed easily from the pool of money that just goes bye bye
Very true. If we were to top it off with all the private money wasted on Tea Parties and Fox news in a hopeless attempt to stop healtchare reform we'd all be much better off.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:05:06pm |
re: #43 Rightwingconspirator
Yeah, was thinking the same thing but didn't seem worth it to go into it. And Scientology is funnier.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:05:15pm |
outlawing scientology will set a good precedent for generations way down the road when we finally outlaw all religions.
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keloyd Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:06:03pm |
re: #57 The Sanity Inspector
I don't entirely agree, but that is some very good writing.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:06:12pm |
re: #56 Virginia Plain
Oh goodness, no f-ing kidding. How I hate having to work on my care plans and coming up with the right nursing diagnosis. My "favorite" one: Disturbed energy field.
my instructors were like Nazis...and they indeed have their own language, my energy field was disturbed in school
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prairiefire Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:06:16pm |
re: #21 Gus 802
McConnell also has to now having to tell his constituents that the repeal strategy won't work:[Link: www.courier-journal.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:06:28pm |
re: #57 The Sanity Inspector
I liked Frum's take on the Generation Gap:
For half a century, Americans have been asked to choose between two myths about their country's recent past. In one, the heroes are the parents; in the other, the children. In the parents' myth, the middle years of this century were a time of peace and prosperity, the well-deserved reward for enduring the Depression, defeating the Nazis, and resisting communism. In the children's, those same years were a dark epoch of racism, sexism, and homophobia, when Hollywood liberals flinched every time the doorbell rang, fearing it was the FBI come to tell them they couldn't write screenplays any more. In the children's myth, Americans huddled frozen and miserable (like Pepperland under the dominion of the Blue Meanies in the Beatles' _Yellow Submarine_) until the brave, joyous protesters of the 1960s liberated them. In the parents', a golden age of patriotism and duty was wrecked by draft-dodging, pot-smoking, hippie-turned-yuppie lowlifes. It is like the extinction of the dinosaurs: One minute giants are walking the earth, then suddenly--CRASH!--a comet smacks the planet and the giants are replaced overnight by tiny rat-like creatures.
--David Frum, _How We Got Here_, 2000
I suppose I'd be more apt to take that culture clash seriously except that the 'children' in this story are my parents' age, and they're now retiring.
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Political Atheist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:06:44pm |
re: #65 SpaceJesus
Finally I could be a back country rebel! Just one more reincarnation with proper timing...
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:06:58pm |
re: #55 Escaped Hillbilly
That wasn't very good as sci fi goes. I've read a couple of his books. Couldn't hold a candle to Heinlein, Asimov, or LeGuin.
Battlefield Earth was good.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:07:18pm |
re: #48 Walter L. Newton
Most exclusive religious groups have a group language that's used to both identify members and exclude non members. Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are prime examples. They have replaced the standard Christian jargon with terms of their own. Jehovah's Witnesses call a meeting place a Kingdom Hall instead of a church. The Memorial instead of holy communion and so forth.
It's designed to re-socialize the membership and isolate them from the rest of society and the standard concepts of "church."
It would take Scientology to make the Witnesses sound normal. Come on, these people think Jesus decided to take a little day vacation to the US shores.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:07:27pm |
re: #52 laZardo
Good news, everyone! (/professor fry accent)
South African white supremacist Eugene Terreblanche has been beaten to death.
He was a scumbag who got killed by his own workers over a wage dispute. Still, no one should be beaten to death.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:07:28pm |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:08:09pm |
re: #73 Escaped Hillbilly
It would take Scientology to make the Witnesses sound normal. Come on, these people think Jesus decided to take a little day vacation to the US shores.
Er... that's Morman.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:08:14pm |
re: #65 SpaceJesus
outlawing scientology will set a good precedent for generations way down the road when we finally outlaw all religions.
If Scientology, was in fact, a religion which it is not.
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Political Atheist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:08:44pm |
re: #75 Walter L. Newton
Hey Travoltas best work apart from Broken Arrow!
///
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:08:48pm |
re: #72 marjoriemoon
Battlefield Earth was good.
The book maybe. The movie wasn't good, and it killed Barry Pepper's career.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:08:54pm |
re: #77 marjoriemoon
If Scientology, was in fact, a religion which it is not.
True...it's more of a commercial cult.
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laZardo Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:09:20pm |
re: #74 Dark_Falcon
He was a scumbag who got killed by his own workers over a wage dispute. Still, no one should be beaten to death.
The man wanted to wage a violent civil war against a country struggling to come to grips with its own diversity. Effectively like America's own conservative militia groups. I suppose he died as he lived.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:09:30pm |
re: #79 Rightwingconspirator
Hey Travoltas best work apart from Broken Arrow!
///
Travolta's best work was in the Boy in the Plastic Bubble. After that, it was all down hill.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:09:35pm |
[By the end of the '70s, many people] hungered for religion's sweets, but rejected religion's discipline; wanted its help in trouble, but not the strictures that might have kept them out of trouble; expected its ecstasy, but rejected its ethics; demanded
salvation, but rejected the harsh, antique dichotomy of right and wrong.
--David Frum, How We Got Here: The 70s--The Decade That Brought You Modern Life, For Better or Worse
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:09:55pm |
re: #75 Walter L. Newton
You're kidding... right?
As I remember it, but not a favorite. Heinlein definitely a favorite.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:10:00pm |
re: #63 Killgore Trout
Very true. If we were to top it off with all the private money wasted on Tea Parties and Fox news in a hopeless attempt to stop healtchare reform we'd all be much better off.
one thing for sure...I hate the MSM
when I first registered there were a lot of Fox heads around here and I got hit pretty good for denouncing them....the distorted media pursuing it's own monetary agenda is a large part of the grief we are all going through right now...and as usual!...it's gonna get worse
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Gus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:10:23pm |
re: #69 prairiefire
McConnell also has to now having to tell his constituents that the repeal strategy won't work:[Link: www.courier-journal.com...]
I've been seeing that. They're starting to retreat on the idea of full repeal. Even trying to repeal parts of it might not work. Like Frum said, even if the GOP won every seat up for grabs this November the GOP still can't get a majority in the Senate this year. Won't even happen in the House. They'll have to wait until 2012 to see what happens and by then things will be much different.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:10:30pm |
re: #65 SpaceJesus
outlawing scientology will set a good precedent for generations way down the road when we finally outlaw all religions.
Was there supposed to be a // in there? Or are you saying we are advocating the outlaw of any religion? confused here.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:10:31pm |
re: #77 marjoriemoon
If Scientology, was in fact, a religion which it is not.
it's some sort of cult and will be legally classified as such against the will of its followers, this is similar to what will happen in the future to all "religions."
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prairiefire Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:10:37pm |
re: #75 Walter L. Newton
Hi, Walter. I had an Opal question. When you turn the stone, is the sequence of color flash about the same each time? I mean does each color have a spot in the stone, unlike a clear Chrystal or Rhinestone sparkle.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:10:50pm |
re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist
I suppose I'd be more apt to take that culture clash seriously except that the 'children' in this story are my parents' age, and they're now retiring.
Sic transit gloria mundi.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:11:03pm |
re: #82 laZardo
The man wanted to wage a violent civil war against a country struggling to come to grips with its own diversity. Effectively like America's own conservative militia groups. I suppose he died as he lived.
Quite Concur.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:11:20pm |
re: #88 Escaped Hillbilly
Was there supposed to be a // in there? Or are you saying we are advocating the outlaw of any religion? confused here.
actually what im saying is that secretly, i am tom cruise
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Lidane Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:11:36pm |
re: #40 Cato the Elder
By the way, I've watched "Battlefield Earth".
What it comes down to is all the grrrls with perky tits and all the guys with balls are being hunted down by Progs who want them to have, willy nilly, nasty Prog health care.
The perfect convergence of Tea Party Nation with $cientology. "Pay us a mere $1,500 per cleansing session, and you'll be fit to take on the Progs."
Oh my.
[fishes in wallet]
"Would I still get to look at the perky tits if I paid you half up front?"
[Cato is unceremoniously shown the door]
What's hilarious is that the screenwriter for Battlefield Earth recently apologized for the movie:
[Link: scifiwire.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:11:38pm |
re: #85 marjoriemoon
As I remember it, but not a favorite. Heinlein definitely a favorite.
Well, one advantage is that you saved a lot of money by reading it and not having to take a Scientology course on the Operating Thetan Level, since the Scientology level of OT was based on the shit he wrote in that book.
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:12:31pm |
re: #65 SpaceJesus
outlawing scientology will set a good precedent for generations way down the road when we finally outlaw all religions.
We? There are more than one SpaceJesus?
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darthstar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:12:35pm |
re: #87 Gus 802
I've been seeing that. They're starting to retreat on the idea of full repeal. Even trying to repeal parts of it might not work. Like Frum said, even if the GOP won every seat up for grabs this November the GOP still can't get a majority in the Senate this year. Won't even happen in the House. They'll have to wait until 2012 to see what happens and by then things will be much different.
They're new strategy is, "We're not going to take away all of your benefits that the Democrats forced down our throats despite our most irrational objections, but while we won't hesitate to take credit for the good stuff we voted against, we still think it sucks...because they did it."
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:13:13pm |
re: #34 marjoriemoon
There's been a number of wrongful death suits filed against Scientology over the years as well.
There's a certain set of morgue photos online, of one young victim...
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:13:28pm |
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keloyd Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:13:44pm |
re: #65 SpaceJesus
outlawing scientology will set a good precedent for generations way down the road when we finally outlaw all religions.
BAH. That will never happen. We will never get rid of the need for abstract anthropomorphized philosophy and tribalism. Best case scenario - our religious institutions remain forever and curb/redirect our inherent behaviors. Have you seen Southpark's "Go God Go" I and II ? Watch these, then go play a game of whack-a-mole, then tell me about outlawing all religions.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:14:15pm |
re: #95 Walter L. Newton
Well, one advantage is that you saved a lot of money by reading it and not having to take a Scientology course on the Operating Thetan Level, since the Scientology level of OT was based on the shit he wrote in that book.
Indeed. The whole cult was carved out of it. Makes good (decent if you prefer) sci-fi. Religion? Not so much.
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swamprat Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:14:36pm |
re: #90 prairiefire
If it is a good opal, fire will run back and forth in it, like a small caged animal.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:14:39pm |
taxes are going to skyrocket for everybody, everywhere...hardly due entirely to the HCR deal
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:14:54pm |
re: #93 SpaceJesus
actually what im saying is that secretly, i am tom cruise
Probably wise to keep that secret.
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:15:06pm |
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Political Atheist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:15:34pm |
re: #104 albusteve
I think they will print their way out of it rather than tax. With all that implies for the economy. Watch M1
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Gus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:15:54pm |
re: #98 darthstar
They're new strategy is, "We're not going to take away all of your benefits that the Democrats forced down our throats despite our most irrational objections, but while we won't hesitate to take credit for the good stuff we voted against, we still think it sucks...because they did it."
What will happen is that a lot of the benefits will become a routine for the American people. Then, as you mention, they'll be in danger of trying to repeal those benefits. It's a bit like saying you're going to repeal Social Security.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:16:02pm |
re: #90 prairiefire
Hi, Walter. I had an Opal question. When you turn the stone, is the sequence of color flash about the same each time? I mean does each color have a spot in the stone, unlike a clear Chrystal or Rhinestone sparkle.
Yes... the color is created by microscopic spheres of water. Depending on how the spheres of water are arranged, they reflect light at different wave lengths, there for the different colors. Red is the rarest "arrangement" of the water spheres, so an opal with a lot of red fire in it are worth the most.
But, since it's the ambient light reflecting into the opal that makes the color, different kinds of light causes different effects. Opal looks best under sunlight, worst under florescent light. And the color will flash a bit differently under different kinds of light and different intensities of light.
But the color will come from the same general spot in the stone all the time.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:16:02pm |
re: #101 keloyd
yeah i know. eventually they will just wither away with no real influence, kinda like what's happening in europe.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:16:13pm |
re: #43 Rightwingconspirator
So declares the classical liberal. Okay, but one's political opposite may not be the best person to define what the best you can do or be is. I disagree on the smaller government. Better checks and balances often outperform direct government intervention.
I agree with the post. And, at SOME point, the government has to stop growing, or it becomes everything.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:16:42pm |
re: #99 The Sanity Inspector
There's a certain set of morgue photos online, of one young victim...
If it's the same woman I'm thinking of, she was the most publicized. Basically brainwashed and kept from her family, IIR. They have their own "doctors" and wouldn't allow her outside medical care, and she died.
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Olsonist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:16:55pm |
re: #89 SpaceJesus
Cult is to religion as dialect is to language.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:17:03pm |
re: #108 Gus 802
I agree. You can give, but not take backsies.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:17:04pm |
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SpaceJesus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:17:14pm |
re: #97 Bagua
We? There are more than one SpaceJesus?
there is a trinity, me, christopher hitchens, and amy winehouse
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albusteve Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:18:11pm |
re: #107 Rightwingconspirator
I think they will print their way out of it rather than tax. With all that implies for the economy. Watch M1
inflation is a tax with lipstick...if the border, schools, and infrastructure are ever going to get back up to standards, it's going to be via massive taxation....it has to be, since the feds will never curb their own waste....hang on to your seat
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darthstar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:18:11pm |
re: #108 Gus 802
What will happen is that a lot of the benefits will become a routine for the American people. Then, as you mention, they'll be in danger of trying to repeal those benefits. It's a bit like saying you're going to repeal Social Security.
All of the bloviating and whining is just part of an effort to keep the country as divided as possible...and hope that somehow the Democrats screw up in a big way before November so they can come in and suck off the few 'undecided' votes they need to win the closer races.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:18:23pm |
re: #65 SpaceJesus
outlawing scientology will set a good precedent for generations way down the road when we finally outlaw all religions.
It is come, I know not how, to be taken for granted by many persons that Christianity is not so much as a subject for inquiry, but that it is now at length discovered to be fictitious. And accordingly they treat it as if, in the present age, this were an agreed point among all people of discernment and nothing remained but to set it up as a principal subject of mirth and ridicule, as it were by way of reprisals for its having so long interrupted the pleasures of the world.
--Joseph Butler, _Analogy_ 1736
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Decatur Deb Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:18:35pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:18:58pm |
re: #110 SpaceJesus
yeah i know. eventually they will just wither away with no real influence, kinda like what's happening in europe.
You better hope they don't. The decline of faith in Europe has caused far more problems than it has solved. I believe that trend can and will be arrested here, but the leaders of the nation's faiths must play smart to carry that off.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:19:02pm |
re: #97 Bagua
We? There are more than one SpaceJesus?
I knew it!
Sometimes he's so funny.
Sometimes he's a jerk.
Sometimes he's Mr. Crankypants.
I knew it!
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:19:18pm |
Hi!
I just looked at the "Top Comments" and noticed that people where getting updings for registering recently, so I thought I'd join in the fun.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:19:23pm |
re: #113 Olsonist
Cult is to religion as dialect is to language.
We're still dealng with that dang middle eastern cult...what was it again...tip of the tongue...oh yeah, Christianity.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:19:54pm |
re: #113 Olsonist
Cult is to religion as dialect is to language.
A language is a dialect with an army and a navy.
-- --Max Weinrich
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Political Atheist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:20:11pm |
re: #123 Dark_Falcon
Did you get the gist of the recipe from earlier? It worked out.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:20:14pm |
re: #125 Hawk With Claws
Hi!
I just looked at the "Top Comments" and noticed that people where getting updings for registering recently, so I thought I'd join in the fun.
Well, Hawk, welcome!
Tell us a bit about yourself.
And always always always hit the little "plus" button when you see my nic.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:20:23pm |
re: #125 Hawk With Claws
Hi!
I just looked at the "Top Comments" and noticed that people where getting updings for registering recently, so I thought I'd join in the fun.
Did spelling count?
///welcome
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laZardo Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:20:42pm |
re: #126 Escaped Hillbilly
We're still dealng with that dang middle eastern cult...what was it again...tip of the tongue...oh yeah,
Christianity.Judaism.
/OH NO I DIDN'T
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:20:45pm |
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albusteve Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:20:48pm |
re: #111 Floral Giraffe
I agree with the post. And, at SOME point, the government has to stop growing, or it becomes everything.
that's the point of it...everybody dependent to some larger degree, one way or the other....a lot of people have no problem bowing before the whim of elected officials and their laws and regulations
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:20:53pm |
re: #89 SpaceJesus
it's some sort of cult and will be legally classified as such against the will of its followers, this is similar to what will happen in the future to all "religions."
You're watching too much Caprica.
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Political Atheist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:20:57pm |
re: #125 Hawk With Claws
Welcome Hawk With Claws. How did you come up with that nic?
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Querent Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:21:07pm |
re: #125 Hawk With Claws
welcome to all the new crop of Eostre / Passover Lizard hatchlings!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:21:34pm |
Going to bed. I start my first "shift" tomorrow at the supermarket. I will be shadowing another cashier for four hours. They tell me I will be running my own register way before my official "classroom" training on April 26th. Kind of odd, I'll be trained before I even get to the class, but I have to take the companies class anyway as part of my new hire training.
Ha... from computer programmer to supermarket cashier... no one can say my life is not interesting every time I turn around.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:22:20pm |
re: #138 Walter L. Newton
Going to bed. I start my first "shift" tomorrow at the supermarket. I will be shadowing another cashier for four hours. They tell me I will be running my own register way before my official "classroom" training on April 26th. Kind of odd, I'll be trained before I even get to the class, but I have to take the companies class anyway as part of my new hire training.
Ha... from computer programmer to supermarket cashier... no one can say my life is not interesting every time I turn around.
Good luck with the new job, Walter!
You may find you enjoy it!
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:22:37pm |
re: #129 reine.de.tout
Well, my two main areas of interest are foreign policy and climate change. I'm a reader of RealClimate.com, NYT, and Foreign Policy magazine.
re: #135 Rightwingconspirator
I came up with the name because I consider myself to be a foreign policy "hawk". Kind of the John Bolton type.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:22:39pm |
re: #125 Hawk With Claws
Hi!
I just looked at the "Top Comments" and noticed that people where getting updings for registering recently, so I thought I'd join in the fun.
It's just that easy :)
Welcome!
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laZardo Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:22:56pm |
re: #138 Walter L. Newton
Going to bed. I start my first "shift" tomorrow at the supermarket. I will be shadowing another cashier for four hours. They tell me I will be running my own register way before my official "classroom" training on April 26th. Kind of odd, I'll be trained before I even get to the class, but I have to take the companies class anyway as part of my new hire training.
Ha... from computer programmer to supermarket cashier... no one can say my life is not interesting every time I turn around.
Good luck dude. May the Great Zionist Lizard Conspiracy support you at every step. 0:
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:23:27pm |
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keloyd Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:23:32pm |
re: #110 SpaceJesus
yeah i know. eventually they will just wither away with no real influence, kinda like what's happening in europe.
I partly agree. In Scandanavian countries, people seem perfectly content and well-adjusted with very little religion, the lowest church attendance anywhere in Christendom. In ages past, they seem to have been less religious than their peers. OTOH, in France, Catholicism among ethnic French is dying fast, but the culture is also withering. Birthrates have collapsed. They will be displaced in a century by Muslims who are more observant and fertile, nttawwt. Competition is part of the human experience in all times and places. I can't prove this, and it's all philosophy anyway, but some religion (also some tribalism) seems necessary to be culturally fit, for lack of a better word.
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Querent Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:23:42pm |
re: #142 Hawk With Claws
Well, my two main areas of interest are foreign policy and climate change. I'm a reader of RealClimate.com, NYT, and Foreign Policy magazine.
re: #135 Rightwingconspirator
I came up with the name because I consider myself to be a foreign policy "hawk". Kind of the John Bolton type.
Ah, but can your mustache live up to that kind of advance billing?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:23:59pm |
re: #138 Walter L. Newton
Going to bed. I start my first "shift" tomorrow at the supermarket. I will be shadowing another cashier for four hours. They tell me I will be running my own register way before my official "classroom" training on April 26th. Kind of odd, I'll be trained before I even get to the class, but I have to take the companies class anyway as part of my new hire training.
Ha... from computer programmer to supermarket cashier... no one can say my life is not interesting every time I turn around.
Remember, eggs on the bottom.
/
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Political Atheist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:24:39pm |
re: #142 Hawk With Claws
Did you follow the story on the bunker busting bombs that went to Diego Garcia?
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:24:41pm |
re: #138 Walter L. Newton
That requires by 100th rant on bureaucracy and I am only allowed 99.9 in any given quarter. Goodnight, I'll rant at you later.
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:24:52pm |
re: #147 Querent
Ah, but can your mustache live up to that kind of advance billing?
I wish I could afford the rent. I'd personally prefer the Paul Krugman beard but that's just me.
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Gus Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:24:58pm |
re: #118 darthstar
All of the bloviating and whining is just part of an effort to keep the country as divided as possible...and hope that somehow the Democrats screw up in a big way before November so they can come in and suck off the few 'undecided' votes they need to win the closer races.
Yes. Otherwise it'll be more atavistic rhetoric for the summer by way of Dick Armey and other associated fellows. As for screwing up it would have to amount to a complete disaster. I don't think it's even possible statistically or that is as Frum said, the numbers don't add up. The GOP can't win back the House or the Senate in 2010. Even Michael Steele realizes this. They'll win a lot seats so my best guess would be more filibustering on the hill after November.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:25:01pm |
re: #138 Walter L. Newton
Going to bed. I start my first "shift" tomorrow at the supermarket. I will be shadowing another cashier for four hours. They tell me I will be running my own register way before my official "classroom" training on April 26th. Kind of odd, I'll be trained before I even get to the class, but I have to take the companies class anyway as part of my new hire training.
Ha... from computer programmer to supermarket cashier... no one can say my life is not interesting every time I turn around.
A bend in the road is not the end of the road. Keep pedaling.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:25:21pm |
re: #142 Hawk With Claws
Well, my two main areas of interest are foreign policy and climate change. I'm a reader of RealClimate.com, NYT, and Foreign Policy magazine.
re: #135 Rightwingconspirator
I came up with the name because I consider myself to be a foreign policy "hawk". Kind of the John Bolton type.
Well - don't be afraid to jump on in.
I've written comments that I hesitated before hitting the 'post this comment' button, because I thought it was silly or stupid, but then I've gone ahead and posted it, and voila! Some of those got my highest number of updings! So . . . welcome again, don't be a stranger.
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:25:25pm |
re: #149 Rightwingconspirator
Did you follow the story on the bunker busting bombs that went to Diego Garcia?
Nope, but I'm all ears. :)
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albusteve Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:25:53pm |
re: #153 The Sanity Inspector
A bend in the road is not the end of the road. Keep pedaling.
when you come to a fork in the road, take it
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Querent Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:26:05pm |
re: #146 keloyd
I partly agree. In Scandanavian countries, people seem perfectly content and well-adjusted with very little religion, the lowest church attendance anywhere in Christendom. In ages past, they seem to have been less religious than their peers. OTOH, in France, Catholicism among ethnic French is dying fast, but the culture is also withering. Birthrates have collapsed. They will be displaced in a century by Muslims who are more observant and fertile, nttawwt. Competition is part of the human experience in all times and places. I can't prove this, and it's all philosophy anyway, but some religion (also some tribalism) seems necessary to be culturally fit, for lack of a better word.
Old-Time Norse Religion is my baililwick, but i'm not about to roger this thread 'like a Viking' ...
(not without getting the other lizards' permission first!)
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:26:07pm |
re: #154 reine.de.tout
Thanks for the warm welcome. :)
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Cato the Elder Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:26:44pm |
re: #22 jaunte
'Suppressive Person', someone critical of Scientology who has thereby made themselves an outlawed target:
[Link: www.xenu-directory.net...]
re: #27 Walter L. Newton
You didn't know what that was... I'm surprised. Suppressive Person, it's Hubbards word for an apostate.
Ah. I did know that, but I've been slacking off on my $cientology research.
As far as I'm familiar with the topic, an SP is what the Germans used to call "vogelfrei", right?
It means "outlawed" (literally "free as a bird"), that is to say, you can do anything and everything to bring him to heel, bring him in for reprogramming, or ihn umbringen, i.e. murder or otherwise silence him/her. Right?
People should lay off the Catholic Church for a while and take a good look at Tom Cruise.
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Bagua Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:26:47pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:26:53pm |
re: #97 Bagua
We? There are more than one SpaceJesus?
Sure, sort of. You've got your SpaceBuddah, your SpaceVishnu, SpaceJove, and on and on.
The only real stand-out is SpaceCthulhu. I, er, He doesn't care if anyone believes in Him, or if worshiping Him is illegal, because your souls are just as tasty, either way.
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:26:59pm |
Just from skimming it looks like the topic of discussion is religion. Not really my bag.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:27:00pm |
re: #154 reine.de.tout
Well - don't be afraid to jump on in.
I've written comments that I hesitated before hitting the 'post this comment' button, because I thought it was silly or stupid, but then I've gone ahead and posted it, and voila! Some of those got my highest number of updings! So . . . welcome again, don't be a stranger.
that's because you are wonderful, lovely person who can post no harm
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:27:25pm |
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:27:32pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:28:00pm |
re: #163 Hawk With Claws
Just from skimming it looks like the topic of discussion is religion. Not really my bag.
Things jump around rather quickly here.
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laZardo Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:28:11pm |
re: #162 Slumbering Behemoth
The only real stand-out is SpaceCthulhu.
I, er, He doesn't care if anyone believes in Him, or if worshiping Him is illegal, because your souls are just as tasty, either way.
And that's why there's no FlyingSpaceghettiMonster.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:28:14pm |
re: #163 Hawk With Claws
Just from skimming it looks like the topic of discussion is religion. Not really my bag.
naw -
You can't skim, gotta read - plenty of different topics going on . . .
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albusteve Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:29:04pm |
re: #163 Hawk With Claws
Just from skimming it looks like the topic of discussion is religion. Not really my bag.
me neither...I worship at the alter of the NFL
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Political Atheist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:29:09pm |
re: #155 Hawk With Claws
Okay a big shipment of those special weapons went to Diego Garcia. Story A was this was Obama showing some teeth to Iran as a threat. Story B- Diverted shipment that was bought by Israel as a slap over the settlements or something. My conclusion is that we have been led astray by too few facts, and some other scenario is unfolding. Oh, we link a lot here to back up our points.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:29:09pm |
re: #163 Hawk With Claws
Just from skimming it looks like the topic of discussion is religion. Not really my bag.
That's only because you haven't accepted Jesus as your personal lord and savior. Really...but if that's not your bag, there's always money. Money makes a great god.
/
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:29:10pm |
re: #128 Rightwingconspirator
Did you get the gist of the recipe from earlier? It worked out.
Not really. If you could, please send it to me. Nic is blue for a bit.
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Virginia Plain Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:29:21pm |
The TSA has come up with a new way to spot terrorists: The Honor System
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TREKrider Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:29:23pm |
Yeah Frum!
And Bachmann is a leader? With quotes like "Grandma isn't shovel ready." WHAT?!
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:29:34pm |
re: #146 keloyd
I partly agree. In Scandanavian countries, people seem perfectly content and well-adjusted with very little religion, the lowest church attendance anywhere in Christendom. In ages past, they seem to have been less religious than their peers. OTOH, in France, Catholicism among ethnic French is dying fast, but the culture is also withering. Birthrates have collapsed. They will be displaced in a century by Muslims who are more observant and fertile, nttawwt. Competition is part of the human experience in all times and places. I can't prove this, and it's all philosophy anyway, but some religion (also some tribalism) seems necessary to be culturally fit, for lack of a better word.
Where there is no vision, the people perish
-- Proverbs 29:18
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:30:04pm |
re: #125 Hawk With Claws
Welcome, hatchling of the fearsome nic!
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:30:44pm |
re: #173 darthstar
That's only because you haven't accepted Jesus as your personal lord and savior. Really...but if that's not your bag, there's always money. Money makes a great god.
/
Or, a flyingspaceghettimonster could, too.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:30:55pm |
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Hawk With Claws Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:31:24pm |
re: #171 albusteve
me neither...I worship at the alter of the NFL
Not really a sports guy myself. I like reading the news, drinking coffee, traveling, and being a goof.
But on religion I consider myself an agnostic. I've never been arrogant enough or confident enough to claim that God is real or not real. But on days that are hard, like yesterday, I still try to pray.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:31:32pm |
re: #160 Cato the Elder
You know what would be totally revolutionary? A celebrity who actually believed in one of those 1000 year old religions. Can you just imagine it? Not one of those red-bracelet-wearing, Xenu-fearing ones, just an old timey, run-of-the-mill boring old religion. With God and stuff. Just imagine it.
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Querent Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:31:35pm |
uh oh, new thread opening up...
funny, i used to get quite a laugh out of Tim Blair... years ago. What's he gotten on about lately that's made him such an arsehole?
(grumble grumble grumble...)
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:32:07pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:33:24pm |
re: #176 TREKrider
Yeah Frum!
And Bachmann is a leader? With quotes like "Grandma isn't shovel ready." WHAT?!
Bachmann is apparently German for "Buffoon". Cato of course is free to correct if he wishes.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:33:24pm |
re: #182 marjoriemoon
You know what would be totally revolutionary? A celebrity who actually believed in one of those 1000 year old religions. Can you just imagine it? Not one of those red-bracelet-wearing, Xenu-fearing ones, just an old timey, run-of-the-mill boring old religion. With God and stuff. Just imagine it.
Well, there's Mel Gibson.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:33:27pm |
re: #162 Slumbering Behemoth
You forgot his Noodly Greatness!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Political Atheist Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:34:14pm |
re: #174 Dark_Falcon
Coming at ya shortly!
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:36:05pm |
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Cato the Elder Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:36:58pm |
By the way, if anyone wants to see a really good might-as-well-be science fiction movie that beats "Battlefield Earth" all to shit, try "Mongol".
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:37:49pm |
re: #187 Floral Giraffe
Nah, I didn't forget Him. He was the appetizer. All of Humanity will be the main course.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:39:35pm |
re: #186 reine.de.tout
There's also Neal McDonough, who became famous for his portrayal of Lt. Compton in Band of Brothers. He has had trouble in Hollywood due to his devout Catholicism. He refuses to do "love scenes", believing most of them indecent. Just got him kicked off a new show. However, I myself am pleased to see a man stand on honorable principle.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:40:01pm |
re: #185 Dark_Falcon
Bachmann is apparently German for "Buffoon". Cato of course is free to correct if he wishes.
Actually, "Bachmann" (masculine) merely means "someone who lives by a stream" (Bach).
Geller, however, is actual German for "shrieker".
Sometimes nomen est omen, sometimes not so much.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:47:15pm |
re: #194 Cato the Elder
Actually, "Bachmann" (masculine) merely means "someone who lives by a stream" (Bach).
Geller, however, is actual German for "shrieker".
Sometimes nomen est omen, sometimes not so much.
Well, Bachmann does live in Minneapolis, though I don't think you can call the Mississippi a 'stream'.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:57:38pm |
re: #17 Escaped Hillbilly
I watched a bit of the Anderson Cooper thing. I still don't get the whole Navy uniforms thing. What kind of religious requirement is that? Why do they do that?
The navy uniforms are because L Ron Hubbard liked to pretend he was a Navy bigshot. :D
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:17:37pm |
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:21:33pm |
re: #193 Dark_Falcon
There's also Neal McDonough, who became famous for his portrayal of Lt. Compton in Band of Brothers. He has had trouble in Hollywood due to his devout Catholicism. He refuses to do "love scenes", believing most of them indecent. Just got him kicked off a new show. However, I myself am pleased to see a man stand on honorable principle.
Interesting. I just googled him, I wasn't real familiar with him before.
He's got a great voice.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:24:07pm |
re: #197 reine.de.tout
Didn't think so.
hehe Mel's a little cult-ish, too.
But really, I think these movie stars just have to do something different for the sake of being different or not wanting to miss out. I don't think it was that way in pre-baby boomer generations.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:31:29pm |
re: #199 marjoriemoon
hehe Mel's a little cult-ish, too.
But really, I think these movie stars just have to do something different for the sake of being different or not wanting to miss out. I don't think it was that way in pre-baby boomer generations.
Mel's big-time cultish, imo.
and I agree on your other points.
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stayfrosty Sun, Apr 4, 2010 7:32:02am |
All these talking heads are going to be quite disappointed when a great number of real conservatives get elected in November. Why is it that "bipartisanship" always means Republicans compromising fundamental beliefs by moving to the left, but never vice versa, when the largest ideological group by far in America are conservatives?
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Athens Runaway Sun, Apr 4, 2010 8:27:28am |
re: #201 stayfrosty
All these talking heads are going to be quite disappointed when a great number of real conservatives get elected in November. Why is it that "bipartisanship" always means Republicans compromising fundamental beliefs by moving to the left, but never vice versa, when the largest ideological group by far in America are conservatives?
Either you forgot a slashy, or you're gonna get torn a new one by all the snarkers here. :)
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