Wingnut Radio Host Berry On NY Mosque: ‘I Hope Somebody Blows It Up’

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In a jaw-droppingly bigoted rant last Wednesday, right wing radio talker Michael Berry came right out and said about the proposed mosque/community center in Manhattan, “I hope somebody blows it up.”

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On Wednesday, a man named “Tony” called into the KTRH-AM (Houston, TX) radio show of right-wing radio host Michael Berry in support of the Muslim center. First, Berry asked the caller whether “Tony” was his real name, because with his accent, he didn’t “sound like a ‘Tony.’” He repeatedly tried to link to the mosque to terrorists, eventually saying that if the mosque is built, he hopes someone blows it up:

BERRY: No, Tony, you can’t build a mosque at the site of 9/11.

TONY: Why not? Why not?

BERRY: No, you can’t. And I’ll tell you this: If you do build a mosque, I hope somebody blows it up. … I hope the mosque isn’t built, and if it is, I hope it’s blown up. And I mean that. … It’s right-wing radicals like me that are going to keep this country safe for you and everyone else from the people who are flying the planes from the country you fled from. If you want to identify with those people, go live with them.

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394 comments
1 Kragar  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:48:59pm

We’ll keep America safe, by blowing up anyone we think isn’t American enough. Next, how to deal with that guy you think might be a homo.

2 Locker  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:49:11pm

Lots of media personalities seem to make their income directly from hate propaganda. It’s probably not new but today’s technology gives it a much broader reach.

3 ShaunP  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:49:44pm

WWJD?

4 Gus  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:51:55pm

Michale Berry goes immediately into Wingnut Victim Mode™

Muslim Legal Group attempts to intimidate Houston talk show host

Right. Intimidate a shock jock that advocated violence (terrorism) on the airwaves. Must be rough.

5 Stanley Sea  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:53:49pm

Gah, I can’t type anything coherent I’m so disgusted.

6 ShaunP  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:54:49pm

In case anyone is out of the loop; a mosque actually was firebombed in FL this month:

jacksonville.com

…“This was not a harmless prank,” Casey said. “We found shrapnel from the blast a hundred yards away close to [Florida] 9A.”

At the time of the blast about 60 people were inside. The firebomb caused minor damage to the building. There were no injuries.

Casey said the minor damage was primarily due to the strength of the mosque building. If anyone had been closer to the blast, they would have been injured or killed, he said…

7 Taqyia2Me  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:55:06pm

re: #5 Stanley Sea

Ditto!

8 What, me worry?  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:56:17pm

re: #3 ShaunP

WWJD?

Well we know what “Tony” would do IF that is INDEED his real name. Good grief.

And the mosque isn’t being built AT the 9/11 site, but near the 9/11 site.

I’m against it. I know all the reasons I should be for it, but it still doesn’t sit well with me. But that also doesn’t mean I think someone should blow it up.

9 What, me worry?  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:56:35pm

re: #5 Stanley Sea

Gah, I can’t type anything coherent I’m so disgusted.

What? You sound fine to me!

10 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:56:50pm

re: #3 ShaunP

WWJD?

What would Jeff do?

Jeff would sigh and do another bong. What else can Jeff do in a world fraught with insanity and fingerpointing, but inhale, sing a song and enjoy the existential beauty of a late spring thunderstorm.

11 lawhawk  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:57:45pm

Fact:
The proposed location of the community center and mosque is not within Ground Zero. It’s several blocks away.

Fact:
This nutter is threatening/wishing for violence - an attack that could many casualties (potentially including myself and people I know and work with since it’s a stone’s throw from my office), which crosses the line of free speech. I’m sure the FBI will be more than happy to look into that.

12 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:59:18pm

So right wing talkers are issuing fatwas now?

13 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:59:29pm

And this is different from Ayman el-Zawahiri how exactly? Because his ideology seems the same to me.

14 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:00:04pm

re: #3 ShaunP

WWJD?

Jesus is converting CUME to core

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:00:27pm

Well, that’s nice and straightforward.

16 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:01:11pm

I’m going back to drawing things. Wake me when the crazy stops

17 Lidane  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:01:39pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

And this is different from Ayman el-Zawahiri how exactly?

Duh. He’s a white American guy. He’s clearly different from those radical Mooslim types. =P

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:02:24pm

re: #8 marjoriemoon

Well we know what “Tony” would do IF that is INDEED his real name. Good grief.

And the mosque isn’t being built AT the 9/11 site, but near the 9/11 site.

I’m against it. I know all the reasons I should be for it, but it still doesn’t sit well with me. But that also doesn’t mean I think someone should blow it up.

It makes me a little hinkty myself. But advocating blowing up houses of worship makes me very, very angry.

19 sffilk  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:02:57pm

(bangs head on table)

20 dugmartsch  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:03:29pm

mediamatters.org

I think this might be the end of this guy.

My girlfriend’s parents are big fans of glenn beck, and are just anti-government in general (the government came after them really hard on bullshit charges and they spent a lot of money defending themselves). But if beck ever comes up in conversation I’m pretty sure mentioning this little dust up would alter their opinions of him pretty quickly.

21 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:03:51pm

re: #12 WindUpBird

So right wing talkers are issuing fatwas now?

It’s not exactly a fatwa…it’s more like Henry II’s ‘will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?’. Calling for it without actually, you know, calling for it.

22 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:04:42pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

And this is different from Ayman el-Zawahiri how exactly? Because his ideology seems the same to me.

Hopefully, this dude has less ability or will to create the horror he evisions.

23 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:05:19pm

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s not exactly a fatwa…it’s more like Henry II’s ‘will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?’. Calling for it without actually, you know, calling for it.

I was being snarky but yeah that’s exactly it. :/

24 theheat  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:05:24pm

And to think, not so long ago we were wringing our hands about the stealthy Islam-izing of America. You know, all the violence and stoneage fanaticism defended and funded by pro-Muslim organizations, wanting special treatment, hating on anyone who wasn’t like them, forcing their religion and belief system down our…

Oh, that’s right, we’re talking about an American radio talk show host. Never mind. I get the American Taliban and the Middle Eastern ones mixed up anymore.

25 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:05:36pm

“Tony” is a fairly common nickname among Christian Arabs, as well as among many other people who might have accents. Berry’s skepticism reveals his ignorance.

26 Kragar  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:05:38pm

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s not exactly a fatwa…it’s more like Henry II’s ‘will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?’. Calling for it without actually, you know, calling for it.

He’s not taking sides, he just asking questions, throwing ideas out there. Not like he’s calling for it.

/

Its fucking pathetic is what it is.

27 What, me worry?  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:05:59pm

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist

It makes me a little hinkty myself. But advocating blowing up houses of worship makes me very, very angry.

Hinkty! I like it! I have no idea what it means! But I’m using it!

28 theheat  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:06:36pm

re: #17 Lidane

And he sleeps in American flag jammies.

29 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:07:14pm

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

Hopefully, this dude has less ability or will to create the horror he evisions.

Sounds like he’s a local host, no syndication? There’s always a lotta crazyballs local right wing talkers in a market. Portland’s got a couple, but since we’re so mellow, they just say things that are crazy to us here in PDX, like “We should remove our entire light rail system and abolish Portland’s land use planning and urban growth boundary because sprawl and traffic jams are awesome!”

30 Sionainn  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:09:19pm

re: #29 WindUpBird

Sounds like he’s a local host, no syndication? There’s always a lotta crazyballs local right wing talkers in a market. Portland’s got a couple, but since we’re so mellow, they just say things that are crazy to us here in PDX, like “We should remove our entire light rail system and abolish Portland’s land use planning and urban growth boundary because sprawl and traffic jams are awesome!”

He fills in on occasional for some of the nationally syndicated guys. I remember listening to him one day…but can’t remember which show. In my city, we have Limbaugh, Beck, Levin, and Doyle, so it was for one of those guys.

31 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:09:35pm

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He’s not taking sides, he just asking questions, throwing ideas out there. Not like he’s calling for it.

/

Its fucking pathetic is what it is.

And it’s on public airwaves!

Let’s like, make that clear.

PUBLIC AIRWAVES that are being used to essentially call for terrorist attacks. You need a license to broadcast. If you say a naughty word, you can have your FCC license revoked! Syndicated hosts have had their backlogs of material seized by their program directors because of the OFF CHANCE of a naughty word being broadcast during reruns.

But you know, blowing up mosques, hey, good times. Can’t say shit, but you can say that.

32 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:11:03pm

re: #30 Sionainn

He fills in on occasional for some of the nationally syndicated guys. I remember listening to him one day…but can’t remember which show. In my city, we have Limbaugh, Beck, Levin, and Doyle, so it was for one of those guys.

yeah, there’s a local guy in Seattle that fills in for Savage sometime, but he’s not crazy, he’s just sort of by the numbers.

33 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:11:15pm

re: #20 dugmartsch

[Link: mediamatters.org…]

I think this might be the end of this guy.

My girlfriend’s parents are big fans of glenn beck, and are just anti-government in general (the government came after them really hard on bullshit charges and they spent a lot of money defending themselves). But if beck ever comes up in conversation I’m pretty sure mentioning this little dust up would alter their opinions of him pretty quickly.

The appropriate White House response to this is would be for Michelle Obama to make a surprise appearance on Beck’s show on Fox, play the tape of him mocking her daughter then beat the shit out him, afterwards dragging him out into the street and dropping him in the gutter. Heck, I’d pay to see that.

34 What, me worry?  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:11:40pm

re: #16 WindUpBird

I’m going back to drawing things. Wake me when the crazy stops

I wanted to show you my nieces stuff. She does cosplay (I’m learning all this stuff…) and goes to the Comicons. She designs all her own outfits, draws them, sews them, does her makeup, makes her wigs. She is AMAZING. She’s studying set design and costuming in college and I think she’ll do well with a bit of luck and a lot of work. She plays boys and girls both. She does a fantastic and very sexy Captain Kirk LOL

Anyway, she has a page at deviant art. I know you’d really dig it. But I’m not sure I want to post it publicly here.

She has Asperger’s too so I’m really super proud of her.

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:13:40pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

The appropriate White House response to this is would be for Michelle Obama to make a surprise appearance on Beck’s show on Fox, play the tape of him mocking her daughter then beat the shit out him, afterwards dragging him out into the street and dropping him in the gutter. Heck, I’d pay to see that.

Me too. Since we don’t overlap on much politically, this might be an indication that this is a money-maker.

All the profits could be donated to Haiti relief or something.

36 Sionainn  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:14:07pm

re: #32 WindUpBird

yeah, there’s a local guy in Seattle that fills in for Savage sometime, but he’s not crazy, he’s just sort of by the numbers.

Oh, yeah, we’ve got Savage here as well. How could I have forgotten him? //

Jerry Doyle, at least, isn’t quite so crazy as the rest of them, but when he is off, he has really whackadoodles fill in for him and they do spout the craziest stuff.

37 What, me worry?  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:15:06pm

re: #32 WindUpBird

Send me an email (my nic is blue) and i’ll send you a link if you want to see. I have to dash… try to be back in a bit.

38 Bagua  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:15:20pm

Maybe by “I hope someone blows it up” he meant those helium party balloons for an opening celebration?

39 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:16:20pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

The appropriate White House response to this is would be for Michelle Obama to make a surprise appearance on Beck’s show on Fox, play the tape of him mocking her daughter then beat the shit out him, afterwards dragging him out into the street and dropping him in the gutter. Heck, I’d pay to see that.

Psychic prediction for 2011:
TV host Glenn Beck narrowly escapes death when Emeril mistakes him for the Pillsbury Doughboy and shoves him into a hot oven during a joint tv appearance.

40 Taqyia2Me  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:16:24pm

re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist

Me too. Since we don’t overlap on much politically, this might be an indication that this is a money-maker.

All the profits could be donated to Haiti relief or something.

Pay-per-View Fun!
Michelle’s Bitchslapping of Glenny Beck!

41 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:19:25pm

re: #37 marjoriemoon

sent!

42 Bagua  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:19:53pm

re: #41 WindUpBird

sent!

I got nuffink. :(

43 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:20:07pm

What are the chances one of his listeners takes him up on his suggestion? Let’s see…

Glenn Beck says “President Obama wants to take our guns away” and a few days later a guy kills two cops in Philadelphia. And a few weeks after that assholes are showing up outside Obama’s town hall meetings with loaded guns on display.

Erick “I’m a fucking prick” Erickson says he’d meet a census worker with a shotgun if they showed up at his door, and this week a woman does just that, then when the police arrive her husband answers the door with a gun, and while he’s being peacefully disarmed, she comes out with the shotgun again and ends up getting killed in the process.

I suppose the chances someone will follow up on this is pretty good.

44 Renaissance_Man  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:20:34pm

re: #20 dugmartsch

[Link: mediamatters.org…]

I think this might be the end of this guy.

My girlfriend’s parents are big fans of glenn beck, and are just anti-government in general (the government came after them really hard on bullshit charges and they spent a lot of money defending themselves). But if beck ever comes up in conversation I’m pretty sure mentioning this little dust up would alter their opinions of him pretty quickly.

I don’t know your girlfriend’s parents, and they may well be reasonable people who would do that.

However, I think there is a significant majority of ‘fans’, or cultists, of Beck and the Conservative cult media who would defend their opinions of him, going through the standard phases of wingnut denial*. I think there’s an even larger majority who would agree with you to your face that he was a vicious little man, and as soon as you left switch him back on and return to the outrageous hate they want to feel, like an addict who agrees that heroin is bad but will actively try to score as soon as you’re not looking. And I think there’s an even larger group of people who don’t like Beck and the cult he represents, but who will brush incidents like this off because, after all, he was mocking the Evil One. And that’s okay, because - hey, did you hear about the latest Obama outrage?

*
1. It was satire.
2. Only liberal slaves to political correctness would get upset over something like that.
3. It was taken out of context by the liberal media.
4. Oh yeah? Well what about that thing the liberals did?

45 Stanley Sea  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:21:11pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

The appropriate White House response to this is would be for Michelle Obama to make a surprise appearance on Beck’s show on Fox, play the tape of him mocking her daughter then beat the shit out him, afterwards dragging him out into the street and dropping him in the gutter. Heck, I’d pay to see that.

You know, I bet all she wants to do is keep this completely hidden from the girls.

46 blueraven  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:21:28pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

The appropriate White House response to this is would be for Michelle Obama to make a surprise appearance on Beck’s show on Fox, play the tape of him mocking her daughter then beat the shit out him, afterwards dragging him out into the street and dropping him in the gutter. Heck, I’d pay to see that.

That would be quite a show, but I think I would rather see Michelle go on his show and calmly ask him to explain his actions. I really would like to hear his rationalization.

47 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:21:52pm

re: #40 Taqyia2Me

Pay-per-View Fun!
Michelle’s Bitchslapping of Glenny Beck!

Make it a Chicago Streetfight. The loser is the one who is unable to rise by count of ten. It sounds like something out of the WWE, but WWE events in Chicago always sell out and Glenn Beck is such a clown that the format suits him.

48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:22:02pm

re: #20 dugmartsch

[Link: mediamatters.org…]

I think this might be the end of this guy.

I remember what Limbaugh said about Chelsea Clinton, so I’m afraid this is just par for the course. :/

49 lawhawk  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:22:08pm

re: #43 darthstar

Just hope that the NYPD and JTTF is up to the task…

50 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:23:57pm

re: #46 blueraven

That would be quite a show, but I think I would rather see Michelle go on his show and calmly ask him to explain his actions. I really would like to hear his rationalization.

He wouldn’t explain, because he has no explanation. He’d just hurl some more allegations and reply to her bring up his misdeeds that he’s “just asking questions”.

51 Bagua  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:24:40pm

re: #45 Stanley Sea

You know, I bet all she wants to do is keep this completely hidden from the girls.

The President’s daughters should be off limits to any sort of criticism or unwelcome attention. They are a national treasure and add to our common joy. The media likes to make a soap-opera out of everything these days, it’s vile and demeaning.

52 Taqyia2Me  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:25:47pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

Make it a Chicago Streetfight. The loser is the one who is unable to rise by count of ten. It sounds like something out of the WWE, but WWE events in Chicago always sell out and Glenn Beck is such a clown that the format suits him.

Has anybody ever seen Bobby ‘The Brain’ Heenan and Glenny Beck in the same room???

53 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:26:30pm

I hope somebody doesn’t blow up that blowhard Berry. Or his radio station. Nobody blow up anybody or anything.

I hope the mosque’s imam doesn’t get blown up. Assuming he’s the kind of imam who doesn’t teach blowing stuff up and doesn’t stockpile an arsenal in the basement of the mosque. But not doing that, if he refrains, will put him in the cross Pakistan mosque attacked by Muslims, sect on sect…hairs of people who don’t listen to what I hope.

54 theheat  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:27:13pm

re: #48 WindUpBird

From a double-chinned doughboy with boobs, no less.

55 Lidane  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:28:52pm

re: #40 Taqyia2Me

Pay-per-View Fun!
Michelle’s Bitchslapping of Glenny Beck!

As much fun as that would be, we all know it would turn out like this:

Youtube Video

Heh.

56 Shazam  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:30:18pm

Maybe he just needs to be told it’s not actually at Ground Zero. No, no. Probably wouldn’t make a difference.

57 Gus  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:33:41pm

There is no valid legal argument that can be used to prevent the Cordoba center from being built. To do so would result in the violation of the 1st Amendment and the Establishment Clause.

58 Stanley Sea  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:33:50pm

re: #53 lostlakehiker

I hope somebody doesn’t blow up that blowhard Berry. Or his radio station. Nobody blow up anybody or anything.

I hope the mosque’s imam doesn’t get blown up. Assuming he’s the kind of imam who doesn’t teach blowing stuff up and doesn’t stockpile an arsenal in the basement of the mosque. But not doing that, if he refrains, will put him in the cross Pakistan mosque attacked by Muslims, sect on sect…hairs of people who don’t listen to what I hope.

Pakistan does not equal NYC.

59 lawhawk  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:34:04pm

re: #52 Taqyia2Me

Funny, but I think Jimmy “mouth of the South” Hart was Beck… /

60 Bagua  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:36:32pm

Maybe Michael Berry is a closet Muslim?

61 Gus  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:36:39pm

re: #58 Stanley Sea

Pakistan does not equal NYC.

Using the current events in Pakistan to judge the Cordoba center is almost akin to using the Hutaree Militia as a basis for denying the 2nd Amendment rights of other militia groups for future land use applications.

62 ~Fianna  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:36:49pm

re: #20 dugmartsch

[Link: mediamatters.org…]

I think this might be the end of this guy.

My girlfriend’s parents are big fans of glenn beck, and are just anti-government in general (the government came after them really hard on bullshit charges and they spent a lot of money defending themselves). But if beck ever comes up in conversation I’m pretty sure mentioning this little dust up would alter their opinions of him pretty quickly.

Ugh. That’s about as funny as Trig jokes are.

The sad thing is that a large chunk of the people that (rightly) complain about Trig jokes are going to find Malia jokes hilarious.

WTH is wrong with a society that takes political disagreements with the parents out on the kids?

63 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:38:13pm

re: #55 Lidane

As much fun as that would be, we all know it would turn out like this:


[Video]Heh.

LOL! That’s perfect.

64 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:39:21pm

sometimes I’ve wanted to blow up the NY Giants…not quite the same thing tho

65 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:40:07pm

On topic: Michael Berry can go fuck himself.

Off topic: it’s a shame that Cibulkova had to play a Williams sister so early in the draw, because she is wicked hawt.

that is all.

66 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:40:30pm

re: #62 ~Fianna

Ugh. That’s about as funny as Trig jokes are.

The sad thing is that a large chunk of the people that (rightly) complain about Trig jokes are going to find Malia jokes hilarious.

WTH is wrong with a society that takes political disagreements with the parents out on the kids?

The Texas Board of Education, for example, is really set to take its agenda out on a lot of schoolkids in Texas…

67 Semper Fi  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:41:45pm

re: #51 Bagua

The President’s daughters should be off limits to any sort of criticism or unwelcome attention. They are a national treasure and add to our common joy. The media likes to make a soap-opera out of everything these days, it’s vile and demeaning.

Good afternoon lizards.

I really like your post, Baqua, and had to log-in to upding. I’ll finish my sandwich and very short glass of wine; read a little more; and, log off to get a little more work done today. I can’t tell you how much your post means to me and the way I think about so many things. Thank you.

68 Renaissance_Man  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:42:44pm

re: #62 ~Fianna

Ugh. That’s about as funny as Trig jokes are.

The sad thing is that a large chunk of the people that (rightly) complain about Trig jokes are going to find Malia jokes hilarious.

WTH is wrong with a society that takes political disagreements with the parents out on the kids?

You must remember that in the minds of far, far too many, this is not a political disagreement. This is a fight for their very lives. They believe the President and liberals/leftists/bugbears of the day are literally trying to kill them. They are so caught up in the comic book world their cult media has spun for them that they believe that their countrymen are minions and conspirators in a monolithic evil organisation that is actively seeking their destruction.

I wish I was exaggerating, but I’m not. And I wish that these beliefs were limited to a few on the kooky fringe, but that’s not true either any more. They’re still cultists, but they’re no longer fringe.

69 CuriousLurker  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:44:00pm

So, right-wing radicals should show that they’re morally superior to terrorists who blow up buildings and kill innocent people by… blowing up buildings and killing innocent people?

Oh wait, I forgot—there’s no such thing as an innocent Muslim. We’re all secretly sympathetic to the radical Islamists and can hardly contain our joy at the thought of them coming over and imposing their brand of sharia on everyone. I mean, that’s why we live here, right? Because we’re all sleepers who are just waiting for the right time to jump up and show our true colors? Otherwise, we’d have packed it up and moved to Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia or Iran a long time ago (because, you know, living in a representative democracy is such an awful sacrifice to have to endure).

So, having established that Muslims are treasonous, they all deserve the death penalty and one shouldn’t feel any compunctions about blowing up a mosque full of men, women and children. Still, how does one go about doing such a thing in the middle of Manhattan without maiming or killing the truly innocent non-Muslims who are in the vicinity? Oh, right—they would be collateral damage, the price to be paid for keeping the country safe.

Did I get that about right?

////////

70 ~Fianna  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:46:05pm

re: #68 Renaissance_Man

You must remember that in the minds of far, far too many, this is not a political disagreement. This is a fight for their very lives. They believe the President and liberals/leftists/bugbears of the day are literally trying to kill them. They are so caught up in the comic book world their cult media has spun for them that they believe that their countrymen are minions and conspirators in a monolithic evil organisation that is actively seeking their destruction.

I wish I was exaggerating, but I’m not. And I wish that these beliefs were limited to a few on the kooky fringe, but that’s not true either any more. They’re still cultists, but they’re no longer fringe.

Thanks for a happy thought on a Friday afternoon.

I know that you’re right and it scares the crap out of me.

71 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:47:18pm

that’s some really long snark there bro…

72 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:49:23pm

re: #69 CuriousLurker

what’s so sad is that you DID get that right…sigh…

73 prairiefire  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:50:45pm

Ha ha ha ha ha

Erick Son of Erick just posted a diary in which he confesses he actually can not support any of the claims he made yesterday on his blog regarding the Nikki Haley affair accusation.

Why was Nikki on the phone with this blogger for over 150 minutes, anyway? Did she just forget to hang up?

74 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:52:10pm

re: #69 CuriousLurker

So, right-wing radicals should show that they’re morally superior to terrorists who blow up buildings and kill innocent people by… blowing up buildings and killing innocent people?

Oh wait, I forgot—there’s no such thing as an innocent Muslim. We’re all secretly sympathetic to the radical Islamists and can hardly contain our joy at the thought of them coming over and imposing their brand of sharia on everyone. I mean, that’s why we live here, right? Because we’re all sleepers who are just waiting for the right time to jump up and show our true colors? Otherwise, we’d have packed it up and moved to Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia or Iran a long time ago (because, you know, living in a representative democracy is such an awful sacrifice to have to endure).

So, having established that Muslims are treasonous, they all deserve the death penalty and one shouldn’t feel any compunctions about blowing up a mosque full of men, women and children. Still, how does one go about doing such a thing in the middle of Manhattan without maiming or killing the truly innocent non-Muslims who are in the vicinity? Oh, right—they would be collateral damage, the price to be paid for keeping the country safe.

Did I get that about right?

///

Yes, that’s actually how the Stalkers think. When I slam comes up at the Stalker Blog, some them say stuff exactly like what you said. But they’re being serious.

75 Gus  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:52:51pm

This is weird.

76 Four More Tears  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:53:40pm

re: #75 Gus 802

This is weird.

Creepy.

77 Gus  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:54:53pm

re: #76 JasonA

Creepy.

And deranged. I know the “Greens” see President Obama as another “corporate enemy” of sorts.

78 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:55:38pm

BO continues to get hammered…now it’s because he spent a mere 3 hours in LA….he’s burning cred like there’s no tomorrow…doesn’t bother me much but I can empathize with his critics, he’s blowing his PR gig straight to hell

79 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:57:20pm

re: #78 albusteve

BO continues to get hammered…now it’s because he spent a mere 3 hours in LA…he’s burning cred like there’s no tomorrow…doesn’t bother me much but I can empathize with his critics, he’s blowing his PR gig straight to hell


There’s NOTHING HE CAN DO HERE.
Seriously. Except get in the way, along with his security needs & entourage.

sheesh.

80 Gus  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:57:39pm

re: #78 albusteve

BO continues to get hammered…now it’s because he spent a mere 3 hours in LA…he’s burning cred like there’s no tomorrow…doesn’t bother me much but I can empathize with his critics, he’s blowing his PR gig straight to hell

Right. First they complain that he didn’t go to Louisiana to meet with Jindal and other regional governors.

He finally goes to the region and now they’re complaining that he spent three hours there.

They’re either bitching and moaning that a) he spent too much time there or b) spent too little time there.

Sure that makes a lot of sense doesn’t it?

Give me a break.

81 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:57:58pm

re: #77 Gus 802

And deranged. I know the “Greens” see President Obama as another “corporate enemy” of sorts.


I don’t want to come out as advocating having Obama torn apart by diplaced polar apeex predators, but he did come out in favor of offshore drilling once a long time ago…

It’s nothing that any Republican dare call him out on, but it has greatly weaking any remaining integrity there was to his positions on the environment.

82 Nimed  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:57:59pm

House vote on repeal DADT

For: Total - 234; Democrats - 229; Republicans - 5
Against: Total - 194;Democrats - 26; Republicans - 168

There’s a cool map with the geographical vote distribution at the link. You can check out how your Representative voted on this.


Chait’s advice for Republicans:
Instead of voting overwhelmingly to keep gays out of the military, and then apologizing for doing so in a few decades, why not just skip a step and vote to let gays in the military now?

83 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:58:01pm

re: #75 Gus 802

This is weird.

oh, ugh.

84 ~Fianna  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:58:31pm

re: #79 reine.de.tout

There’s NOTHING HE CAN DO HERE.
Seriously. Except get in the way, along with his security needs & entourage.

sheesh.

True. I felt the same way when the left was criticising Bush for not going to NOLA earlier or staying longer.

yeah, exactly what the police and rescue workers need is a a giant parade of high-profile people and the press pool.

85 Bagua  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:58:58pm

re: #83 reine.de.tout

oh, ugh.

“Art”.

86 blueraven  Fri, May 28, 2010 1:59:49pm

OT…Fox news has been practically salivating over this Sestak issue for days…Now they kind of look a bit deflated. Still trying to spin it though, even when Stephen Moore of the WSJ and Larry Sabato says there is nothing there.

87 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:00:15pm

re: #85 Bagua

“Art”.

I have such simple art tastes.
I simply like things that are simply pretty, and elevates me.
That sort of stuff at the link - ew and ugh, and no thanks.

88 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:02:19pm

Heh…working from home today…the cat’s been sleeping on the back of the couch next to me and a while ago rolled off in his sleep and landed beside me…well, he was sleeping up there again and one of the dogs is sleeping beside me, so this time when he rolled off in his sleep he landed on top of Fozzie and both of them bolted off the couch in fear.

89 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:02:34pm

Statement from Glenn

In discussing how President Obama uses children to shield himself from criticism, I broke my own rule about leaving kids out of political debates. The children of public figures should be left on the sidelines. It was a stupid mistake and I apologize—and as a dad I should have known better.

90 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:02:50pm

re: #86 blueraven

OT…Fox news has been practically salivating over this Sestak issue for days…Now they kind of look a bit deflated. Still trying to spin it though, even when Stephen Moore of the WSJ and Larry Sabato says there is nothing there.

Anything to keep false outrage going… The true believers will believe this and the damage of the lies has been done.

Did having every verification Hawaii could give stop that crap?

91 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:03:24pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout

I have such simple art tastes.
I simply like things that are simply pretty, and elevates me.
That sort of stuff at the link - ew and ugh, and no thanks.

And to think someone thought it was worth the effort to spend their time and talent making that.

92 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:04:34pm

re: #80 Gus 802

Right. First they complain that he didn’t go to Louisiana to meet with Jindal and other regional governors.

He finally goes to the region and now they’re complaining that he spent three hours there.

They’re either bitching and moaning that a) he spent too much time there or b) spent too little time there.

Sure that makes a lot of sense doesn’t it?

Give me a break.

like Caraville said, people want to see BO express some leadership, whatever that is these days

93 CuriousLurker  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:04:40pm

Um, BTW, good afternoon to everyone; I hope you’re all doing well.

Now I’ll just walk over to the sink and see if I can put out my hair…

Image: thestupiditburns.jpg

94 Gus  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:04:40pm

re: #81 ralphieboy

I don’t want to come out as advocating having Obama torn apart by diplaced polar apeex predators, but he did come out in favor of offshore drilling once a long time ago…

It’s nothing that any Republican dare call him out on, but it has greatly weaking any remaining integrity there was to his positions on the environment.

The critics on the right criticized Obama’s support of offshore drilling as being timid or a ploy. The critics on the left criticized Obama’s support of offshore drilling as going too far.

We can’t place a moratorium on off shore oil drilling. Not for the foreseeable future.

The “art” in question however is a criticism of the US position at COP-15. I assume that the “artist” wanted the USA to take the side of the totalitarian nation of Sudan.

95 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:06:34pm

re: #86 blueraven

OT…Fox news has been practically salivating over this Sestak issue for days…Now they kind of look a bit deflated. Still trying to spin it though, even when Stephen Moore of the WSJ and Larry Sabato says there is nothing there.

don’t think that BO is stupid enough to let anybody in his office make the offer….that would be even too much for me to believe

96 Gus  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:06:40pm

re: #92 albusteve

like Caraville said, people want to see BO express some leadership, whatever that is these days

I think American’s have gotten to the point where they are confusing fiction (as a result of being immersed in television and movie culture) with reality. American presidents for the most part respond in what one could call “boring fashion.” It’s like life. There is no drama.

97 Macha  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:06:45pm

Really ugly stuff today! GB must be a festering black hole inside to use children in the way he did to get an ego fix for himself. I’d pay to see him really have to eat rancid crow on this one.

Heres a tune to lighten up.
Youtube Video

98 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:07:05pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Statement from Glenn

To tell you the truth, as much as I like the president, I thought the ‘Daddy did you plug the hole yet?’ story was a bad attempt at humanizing his involvement. I’m happy knowing he’s talking to people on a daily basis, demanding results, and making sure his other work gets done. But that kind of shit plays well to middle America, so I’ll give him a pass all the same.

99 Gus  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:07:39pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Statement from Glenn

Heh.

100 blueraven  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:08:27pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Statement from Glenn

Way too little, too late. He is getting hammered, and had to say something. He was giddy with wingnuttery when he was doing this. This is the best he’s got?

101 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:08:32pm

re: #96 Gus 802

I think American’s have gotten to the point where they are confusing fiction (as a result of being immersed in television and movie culture) with reality. American presidents for the most part respond in what one could call “boring fashion.” It’s like life. There is no drama.

Americans want a one hour (with commercials) fix for everything

102 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:08:35pm

re: #86 blueraven

OT…Fox news has been practically salivating over this Sestak issue for days…Now they kind of look a bit deflated. Still trying to spin it though, even when Stephen Moore of the WSJ and Larry Sabato says there is nothing there.

They’ll move on soon enough. Nobody’s mentioned Toomey in weeks, and he’s probably pissed he’s not getting the positive Fox treatment he expects. But they’ll make up for it, and by November Toomey will be a household name.

103 wrenchwench  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:08:39pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Statement from Glenn

That was lame. Complete with gold, seeds, and stamps. Stamps? “Print your own postage on demand.” They probably think that keeps the money from going to the evil socialist Post Office.

104 Bagua  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:08:40pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout

I have such simple art tastes.
I simply like things that are simply pretty, and elevates me.
That sort of stuff at the link - ew and ugh, and no thanks.

I think it is disgusting, pornographic. Also counter to their propaganda as it depicts the Poster Bears as vicious animals, cuddly lovable things.

105 Nimed  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:08:52pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout

I have such simple art tastes.
I simply like things that are simply pretty, and elevates me.
That sort of stuff at the link - ew and ugh, and no thanks.

reine, I have a completely different opinion on the role of art, and I still think that was pretty gross.

So it seems there’s a consensus. Ah!

106 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:09:01pm

re: #100 blueraven

Way too little, too late. He is getting hammered, and had to say something. He was giddy with wingnuttery when he was doing this. This is the best he’s got?

And he’ll do it again.
And he’ll do it again.
And he’ll do it again.
And he’ll do it again.
And he’ll do it again.
And he’ll do it again.

107 Four More Tears  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:09:43pm

re: #82 Nimed

House vote on repeal DADT

For: Total - 234; Democrats - 229; Republicans - 5
Against: Total - 194;Democrats - 26; Republicans - 168

There’s a cool map with the geographical vote distribution at the link. You can check out how your Representative voted on this.

Chait’s advice for Republicans:
Instead of voting overwhelmingly to keep gays out of the military, and then apologizing for doing so in a few decades, why not just skip a step and vote to let gays in the military now?

Wait. Ron Paul voted yes? I thought he wanted everyone out of the military…?

108 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:10:50pm

Speaking of art. I really do not know how to get into a you know it when you see it discussion in any meaningful way. But just to put things in perspective, the following sculpture sold for 15.2 million.

nymag.com

…the Japanese Pop maestro sat in the back of the room with a serene smile as My Lonesome Cowboy, his larger-than-life sculpture of a boy waving an ejaculate lasso, brought in $15.2 million

IMHO not art.

In fact, I will lay down Ludwigs rules of thumb for not art.

1. If I can easily do it in 60 minutes or make something indistinguishable from it in 60 minutes, it is not art.

2. If the average five year old can make it - or something indistinguishable from it - in less that 60 minutes, it is not art.

3. If the majority of the work is sampled and almost directly regurgitated, something like taking someone else’s art, and crumpling it or whatever, it is not art.

4. If it is just silly and tasteless and shows no particular talent, but none the less has a passel of fools telling you how “deep a comment on the metaphysical realties of modern society” it is, it is definitely not art.

109 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:10:58pm

re: #88 darthstar

Heh…working from home today…the cat’s been sleeping on the back of the couch next to me and a while ago rolled off in his sleep and landed beside me…well, he was sleeping up there again and one of the dogs is sleeping beside me, so this time when he rolled off in his sleep he landed on top of Fozzie and both of them bolted off the couch in fear.

Wait, Fozzie is your dog? Did he alphabet soup?

110 Stanley Sea  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:11:47pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Statement from Glenn

He just lost his head?

111 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:11:48pm

re: #97 Macha

GB must be a festering black hole inside to use children in the way he did to get an ego fix for himself.

What what what?

What is the story you are talking about?

112 Nimed  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:11:56pm

re: #107 JasonA

He probably thinks this helps.

113 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:12:03pm

re: #108 LudwigVanQuixote

Speaking of art. I really do not know how to get into a you know it when you see it discussion in any meaningful way. But just to put things in perspective, the following sculpture sold for 15.2 million.

[Link: nymag.com…]

IMHO not art.

In fact, I will lay down Ludwigs rules of thumb for not art.

1. If I can easily do it in 60 minutes or make something indistinguishable from it in 60 minutes, it is not art.

2. If the average five year old can make it - or something indistinguishable from it - in less that 60 minutes, it is not art.

3. If the majority of the work is sampled and almost directly regurgitated, something like taking someone else’s art, and crumpling it or whatever, it is not art.

4. If it is just silly and tasteless and shows no particular talent, but none the less has a passel of fools telling you how “deep a comment on the metaphysical realties of modern society” it is, it is definitely not art.

it is art, regardless of your rules

114 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:12:09pm

re: #82 Nimed

Wow…California looks damn red…but that’s because those big rural counties are Republican, and the coastal counties aren’t.

115 Four More Tears  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:13:10pm

re: #114 darthstar

Wow…California looks damn red…but that’s because those big rural counties are Republican, and the coastal counties aren’t.

And I say Peter King is a blight on Long Island. Yick.

116 wrenchwench  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:13:15pm

re: #97 Macha

That was delightful.

117 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:13:30pm

re: #108 LudwigVanQuixote

Speaking of art. I really do not know how to get into a you know it when you see it discussion in any meaningful way. But just to put things in perspective, the following sculpture sold for 15.2 million.

[Link: nymag.com…]

IMHO not art.

In fact, I will lay down Ludwigs rules of thumb for not art.

1. If I can easily do it in 60 minutes or make something indistinguishable from it in 60 minutes, it is not art.

2. If the average five year old can make it - or something indistinguishable from it - in less that 60 minutes, it is not art.

3. If the majority of the work is sampled and almost directly regurgitated, something like taking someone else’s art, and crumpling it or whatever, it is not art.

4. If it is just silly and tasteless and shows no particular talent, but none the less has a passel of fools telling you how “deep a comment on the metaphysical realties of modern society” it is, it is definitely not art.

identical to my rules. well said.

118 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:13:56pm

re: #113 albusteve

it is art, regardless of your rules

Perhaps those criteria are best applied to “art that I would be willing to pay money to buy/look at”, but ever since marcel Duchamp signed a urinal and put it on display, it is art…

119 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:14:04pm

re: #113 albusteve

it is art, regardless of your rules

So if and when I make a sculpture of burning dog poo on your front door step, I am happy you will see that it is art and not just comment on the decay of your comments.

120 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:14:56pm

re: #118 ralphieboy

Perhaps those criteria are best applied to “art that I would be willing to pay money to buy/look at”, but ever since marcel Duchamp signed a urinal and put it on display, it is art…

yes, sadly

121 dugmartsch  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:14:59pm

re: #62 ~Fianna

Ugh. That’s about as funny as Trig jokes are.

The sad thing is that a large chunk of the people that (rightly) complain about Trig jokes are going to find Malia jokes hilarious.

WTH is wrong with a society that takes political disagreements with the parents out on the kids?

i read a lot of lefty (being a lefty) blogs and I’ve never seen a trig joke. I’m sure people are making them just that I’ve never seen one, and I’d consider it disastrously distasteful for someone to make one. A dark hard line in the sand, unless they’re adults and attempting to be media personalities themselves.

The Chelsea jokes were the worst. I couldn’t imagine having my fat, awkward teenage phase broadcast and then mocked on national media. The thought makes me want to throw up.

Implying that the Obama’s perfectly normal children are somehow developmentally challenged because they asked a childlike question is beyond awful.

122 Gus  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:15:09pm

re: #104 Bagua

I think it is disgusting, pornographic. Also counter to their propaganda as it depicts the Poster Bears as vicious animals, cuddly lovable things.

I haven’t “studied” the artwork for it’s underlying “message.” A quick guess would be…

USA consumes the most energy.
USA bad.
USA doesn’t sign up to the more extreme components of COP15
USA bad.
USA is represented by President Obama.
USA bad.
Polar bear angry at bad USA who will kill polar bear.
Polar bear eat USA first.

Mongo like.

//

123 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:16:24pm

re: #119 LudwigVanQuixote

So if and when I make a sculpture of burning dog poo on your front door step, I am happy you will see that it is art and not just comment on the decay of your comments.

off your meds again?…wtf?
best stick to reality rather than silly hypotheticals

124 Stanley Sea  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:16:31pm

re: #114 darthstar

Wow…California looks damn red…but that’s because those big rural counties are Republican, and the coastal counties aren’t.


The 2 reps from my costal area voted no. They are assholes. One of em, Bilbray you remember, said you could tell an illegal by their shoes. He’s a carpetbagger to the district, never lived here. Oh I could go on.

125 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:16:49pm

re: #121 dugmartsch

i read a lot of lefty (being a lefty) blogs and I’ve never seen a trig joke. I’m sure people are making them just that I’ve never seen one, and I’d consider it disastrously distasteful for someone to make one. A dark hard line in the sand, unless they’re adults and attempting to be media personalities themselves.

The Chelsea jokes were the worst. I couldn’t imagine having my fat, awkward teenage phase broadcast and then mocked on national media. The thought makes me want to throw up.

Implying that the Obama’s perfectly normal children are somehow developmentally challenged because they asked a childlike question is beyond awful.

Very well said. There was a time when family was off limits.

126 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:16:54pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Statement from Glenn

He knows he’s wrong, but I’d say this is bad past the point where an apology is sufficient. I’d accept the following: Glenn Beck takes a two week unpaid hiatus from broadcasting, during which time Alan Colmes will replace him. Mr. Beck will use this time to be educated on our nation’s actual history by reputable tutors.

127 Gus  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:17:27pm

re: #123 albusteve

off your meds again?…wtf?
best stick to reality rather than silly hypotheticals

:-/

128 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:18:26pm

re: #127 Gus 802

:-/

don’t know…weird

129 Ojoe  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:18:26pm

No explosions on US soil please everyone.

130 Nimed  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:18:48pm

re: #114 darthstar

Wow…California looks damn red…but that’s because those big rural counties are Republican, and the coastal counties aren’t.

Right, right. Oregon is even more scandalous. 70% of the state is one single congressional district!

OTOH, New Mexico rocks.

131 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:19:52pm

re: #111 LudwigVanQuixote

What what what?

What is the story you are talking about?

Click the link. But make sure you’re calm when you click, because you’ll be very angry once you get done reading.

re: #20 dugmartsch

[Link: mediamatters.org…]

I think this might be the end of this guy.

My girlfriend’s parents are big fans of glenn beck, and are just anti-government in general (the government came after them really hard on bullshit charges and they spent a lot of money defending themselves). But if beck ever comes up in conversation I’m pretty sure mentioning this little dust up would alter their opinions of him pretty quickly.

132 Bagua  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:20:25pm

re: #129 Ojoe

No explosions on US soil please everyone.

Or beneath US waters please.

133 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:22:00pm

re: #120 albusteve

yes, sadly


It was a major artistic statement when Duchamp did it, unfortunately, most of the folks who followed him missed the point

134 Nimed  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:22:23pm

re: #97 Macha

Really ugly stuff today! GB must be a festering black hole inside to use children in the way he did to get an ego fix for himself. I’d pay to see him really have to eat rancid crow on this one.

Heres a tune to lighten up.

[Video]

Very cool!

135 Ojoe  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:22:43pm

re: #113 albusteve

Art is not the same as beauty.

Art does not mean anymore “making” in the sense of useful, either.

The High Art world has wandered far down some minor and negative paths these past decades, IMHO.

I find it sad.

But it is of the age we live in.

We are no longer confident, boisterous and cheerful.

Like in the 1200s.

Oh well.

136 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:22:55pm

re: #123 albusteve

off your meds again?…wtf?
best stick to reality rather than silly hypotheticals

dude, that was funny. LVQ isn’t always funny…gotta give him cred when he is!

137 dugmartsch  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:24:30pm

re: #84 ~Fianna

True. I felt the same way when the left was criticising Bush for not going to NOLA earlier or staying longer.

yeah, exactly what the police and rescue workers need is a a giant parade of high-profile people and the press pool.

Ooof. What I particularly hate is when politicans attempt to justify their supposed expertise by their physical proximity to whatever issue they’re talking about. Palin was bad but she learned it from John McCain. He seemed to think that he was an authority on foreign affairs because he’d been to other countries. He’d been there by God! Would have been more persuasive like 300 years ago dude, when having been there was some kind of difficult thing to accomplish, and information wasn’t nearly as pervasive.

As for Obama, this isn’t his problem. If companies want less regulation, they need to accept way more of the responsibility when disaster strikes, as it surely will. If Katrina had been caused by some corporation’s activities that was then abdicating its responsibility, (and in the sense that insurers just tried to fuck people, it was, but that was after the immediate catastrophe) I could see a comparison. Since it was a completely natural disaster exacerbated by poor government response and readiness, I can understand holding government to task for its mishandling.

How about corporations take more of the responsibility first, then we’ll give them more autonomy, thereby proving their good intentions. Why do we have to take the first leap of good faith?

138 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:25:27pm

re: #132 Bagua

Or beneath US waters please.

I’ll be OK with underwater explosions if they seal off that oil leak.

139 Gus  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:28:05pm

Bob Roberts - Complain

Youtube Video

140 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:28:13pm

NM is a quirkyn nutty state when it comes to the unusual amount of folk art and other types….people love to weld junk together, they will weld up steel car rims for a wall or barrier, but with artistic style….whatever

I was in the middle of nowhere when I drove up to an enormous pile of junk, maybe 25ft high…nobody or nothing but open land for miles in any direction, except for this lonely house a half mile off the road…curious, I stopped and grabbed my camera

walking around this huge pile of all sorts of leftovers I could not figure out wtf it was supposed to be, if anything, which is typical….then I stopped and lo and behold, from exactly where I was standing emerged a giant rearing stallion….unbelievable, if I moved just a few feet to one side or another the horse vanished, but from just that one little spot there was this magnificent, perfectly shaped and detailed horse…art for it’s own sake

141 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:29:25pm

re: #136 Aceofwhat?

dude, that was funny. LVQ isn’t always funny…gotta give him cred when he is!

okay…that was funny Lud!….please forgive me

142 Jaerik  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:29:30pm

The biggest reason that people like this fear “moral relativism” as a concept, is because it exposes the fact that they are ideologically little different from the Taliban.

143 Bagua  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:29:36pm

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

I’ll be OK with underwater explosions if they seal off that oil leak.

Any explosion likely to take place will be a very bad thing.

144 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:30:56pm

Holy shit!


GRAY: (imitating Obama) Not time yet, honey. Hasn’t done enough damage.

BECK: (imitating Malia) Daddy?

BECK: (imitating Malia) Why do you hate black people so much?

GRAY: (imitating Obama) I’m part white, honey.

Yeah that shit isn’t racist. Bastards.

And then to read his half apology, it’s like it’s Obama’s fault somehow that Beck shot his mouth off in such a disgusting manner.

For crying out loud, there is nothing wrong with asking, have you plugged the hole yet? It’s common language. For crying out loud, is that less sophisticated than “junk shot” or “top kill” or all the other sound bytes? I think everyone in America wants that hole plugged, except perhaps Beck, because it hasn’t caused enough damage yet…

While we are at it, aren’t assholes like Beck supposed to be bitching that Obama is IVY league and that he and his intellectual snob family talk down to people?

And then there is the souless part. Way to go Glen, picking on an 11 year old black girl, because you know, you aren’t racist.

145 wrenchwench  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:34:23pm

re: #140 albusteve

There’s a great road runner made of junk on I-10 just outside of Las Cruces.

Image: roadrunner.jpg

20 feet tall, 42 feet long.

Image: LasCrucesRoadRunner.jpg

146 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:35:12pm

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, with this, I now fervently hope that Glenn Beck faces the judgement of G-d in the form of excreting about 6 feet of his own entrails one day when he strains on the toilet.

Hey Stalker bastards, this is the kind of shit your hero is.

Picking on an 11 year old girl with racially tinged language. Then there is the insult of Beck’s non apology. Obama tries hard to keep his kids out of the media in general. Obama did not force Beck to just have to shoot his mouth off.

It is also a sign of how terribly things have deteriorated that Beck is not instantly fired.

But then again racists love his show. To them that was funny.

147 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:37:37pm

I really hope that Charles makes a thread of this.

In fact Charles, as a serious request, could you perhaps go through your extensive library of racist and repugnant things that these cretins have said and put them in one great big mashup thread that would show dozens of cases of the extreme racism and repugnance of creatures like Beck and Rush?

148 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:37:54pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

yep, I’ve seen it….stuffed and shaped with garbage!….look close and you will see coffee makers, tennis shoes all sorts of ordinary crap….I love this town!….the stallion was out on the way to Hillsboro, west of Socorro, in the boonies below the Gilas

149 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:38:30pm

re: #148 albusteve

yep, I’ve seen it…stuffed and shaped with garbage!…look close and you will see coffee makers, tennis shoes all sorts of ordinary crap…I love this town!…the stallion was out on the way to Hillsboro, west of Socorro, in the boonies below the Gilas


Oh, I though you were talking about Glenn Beck’s pie-hole…

150 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:39:32pm

re: #144 LudwigVanQuixote


GRAY: (imitating Obama) Not time yet, honey. Hasn’t done enough damage.

BECK: (imitating Malia) Daddy?

BECK: (imitating Malia) Why do you hate black people so much?

GRAY: (imitating Obama) I’m part white, honey.

Is that the actual transcript? Say good-bye to the rest of your advertisers, Glenn. Even Goldline won’t support that kind of shit.

151 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:39:33pm

re: #149 ralphieboy

Oh, I though you were talking about Glenn Beck’s pie-hole…

nah, I have nothing to say about G Beck….don’t know why anybody does, just another lunatic

152 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:40:45pm

re: #68 Renaissance_Man

You must remember that in the minds of far, far too many, this is not a political disagreement. This is a fight for their very lives. They believe the President and liberals/leftists/bugbears of the day are literally trying to kill them. They are so caught up in the comic book world their cult media has spun for them that they believe that their countrymen are minions and conspirators in a monolithic evil organisation that is actively seeking their destruction.

I wish I was exaggerating, but I’m not. And I wish that these beliefs were limited to a few on the kooky fringe, but that’s not true either any more. They’re still cultists, but they’re no longer fringe.

And that is exactly why the parallels to the early Nazis are so acute. Creating that fear is the absolute core of the meme.

153 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:40:51pm

re: #147 LudwigVanQuixote

I really hope that Charles makes a thread of this.

In fact Charles, as a serious request, could you perhaps go through your extensive library of racist and repugnant things that these cretins have said and put them in one great big mashup thread that would show dozens of cases of the extreme racism and repugnance of creatures like Beck and Rush?

Quite concur. Beck did an ugly and hateful thing and he must be held to account.

154 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:41:00pm

re: #150 darthstar

Is that the actual transcript? Say good-bye to the rest of your advertisers, Glenn. Even Goldline won’t support that kind of shit.

We can only hope.

155 ~Fianna  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:41:02pm

re: #118 ralphieboy

Perhaps those criteria are best applied to “art that I would be willing to pay money to buy/look at”, but ever since marcel Duchamp signed a urinal and put it on display, it is art…

Of course, Duchamp was making a direct statement about things being “not art” when he did the ready-mades.

Almost no one got it, though.

156 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:42:04pm

re: #150 darthstar

Is that the actual transcript? Say good-bye to the rest of your advertisers, Glenn. Even Goldline won’t support that kind of shit.

mediamatters.org

DF clued me in, I’m not sure who posted it originally.

157 wrenchwench  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:42:49pm

re: #150 darthstar

Is that the actual transcript? Say good-bye to the rest of your advertisers, Glenn. Even Goldline won’t support that kind of shit.

There’s a Goldline ad on the page with his apology.

158 researchok  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:42:54pm

re: #147 LudwigVanQuixote

I really hope that Charles makes a thread of this.

In fact Charles, as a serious request, could you perhaps go through your extensive library of racist and repugnant things that these cretins have said and put them in one great big mashup thread that would show dozens of cases of the extreme racism and repugnance of creatures like Beck and Rush?

Morons come in all varieties and stripes.

Recall the opinion piece ‘Where’s John Wilkes Booth when you need him,’ or something to that effect as the author called for the assassination of George Bush.

Then there was the movie ‘Death of a President’ that depicted the murder of Bush. Code Pink and the Truthers claimed Bush authored 9/11. I could go on and on and on, but you know what I’m saying.

I find Berry to be a repulsive idiot- but repulsive idiots are found all over the place. They all ought to be excoriated. That is what is important. The extremists on all sides are equally offensive. To pretend otherwise is to go down the wrong road and more importantly, to miss the point.

159 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:43:02pm

zealots have no sense of irony …

160 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:43:15pm

re: #155 ~Fianna

Of course, Duchamp was making a direct statement about things being “not art” when he did the ready-mades.

Almost no one got it, though.


And then he played chess with a nude woman at an art gallery, which for me, was the first and final piece of performance art that ever mattered.

161 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:44:50pm

Hey Lizards!

Is it officially the FNDT?

162 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:45:02pm

re: #159 _RememberTonyC

zealots have no sense of irony …

well, we’ll show ‘em by golly….meanwhile
BARTENDER!

163 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:46:25pm

re: #156 LudwigVanQuixote

[Link: mediamatters.org…]

DF clued me in, I’m not sure who posted it originally.

Killgore was the first to post it here.

164 ~Fianna  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:46:53pm

re: #160 ralphieboy

And then he played chess with a nude woman at an art gallery, which for me, was the first and final piece of performance art that ever mattered.

*grin*

I’m meh on performance art, but generally, I think installations suck. If it calls itself an installation, it’s about 7:1 that it’s going to be bad, stupid and pointless.

I love art, and I make some, too… but I hate the whole artitude concept. I got a B+ in Advanced Black and White Photography because I flat-out refused to write an artist’s statement.

165 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:47:36pm

re: #160 ralphieboy

And then he played chess with a nude woman at an art gallery, which for me, was the first and final piece of performance art that ever mattered.

Who won the chess game?

166 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:48:13pm

re: #164 ~Fianna

updinged…the photography was all the statement you needed, i’m sure!

167 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:48:13pm

re: #158 researchok

I am absolutely positively NOT in the mood at the moment for the same old relativist, “but the left did it to whine.” Whatever lefty did the where’s Boothe whe n you need him thing, was not a giant media star who represents a major political party on a national network - if it ever happened at all.

If you are only making the fair point that all egregious and repugnant freaks should be held accountable, then certainly I agree. If you are doing the ohhh so common knee jerk defense we see here of trying to compare a small infraction on the left ( and that was small, if it happened, lone kook few followers if any compared to national GOP personality) then take your comment ad stuff it sideways.

Since I like you, I am assuming you meant the first interpretation. That all dangerous and sick kooks deserve to be dealt with.

168 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:48:23pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

Who won the chess game?

You see, that was the art of it: nobody cared…

169 Ojoe  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:49:49pm

Art.

BBL

170 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:50:05pm

re: #162 albusteve

well, we’ll show ‘em by golly…meanwhile
BARTENDER!

Steve …. I wish I could think of something funny, but I’m at a loss right now. But I will take that drink!

171 Taqyia2Me  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:50:43pm

re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes, this the case where ALL the crazy’s need to be dealt withthe same.

172 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:51:35pm

re: #108 LudwigVanQuixote

Speaking of art. I really do not know how to get into a you know it when you see it discussion in any meaningful way. But just to put things in perspective, the following sculpture sold for 15.2 million.

[Link: nymag.com…]

IMHO not art.

In fact, I will lay down Ludwigs rules of thumb for not art.

1. If I can easily do it in 60 minutes or make something indistinguishable from it in 60 minutes, it is not art.

2. If the average five year old can make it - or something indistinguishable from it - in less that 60 minutes, it is not art.

3. If the majority of the work is sampled and almost directly regurgitated, something like taking someone else’s art, and crumpling it or whatever, it is not art.

4. If it is just silly and tasteless and shows no particular talent, but none the less has a passel of fools telling you how “deep a comment on the metaphysical realties of modern society” it is, it is definitely not art.


Uhhhh number 1 and 2, Magritte’s cutouts? Image: matisse118.JPG

also, #3… Grey Album by Dangermouse, made up completely of existing samples and music en.wikipedia.org

173 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:52:11pm

re: #170 _RememberTonyC

Steve … I wish I could think of something funny, but I’m at a loss right now. But I will take that drink!

I have fresh coffee, do you take cream and/or sugar. Anything stronger you have to add yourself. I hear you will be driving later. I can’t be responsible.

;)

174 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:52:22pm

re: #172 WindUpBird

in case it’s not clear, my definitions of art are a little more inclusive 8-)

175 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:52:59pm

re: #172 WindUpBird

i love the grey album.

i’m using the word LOVE.

176 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:53:50pm

re: #58 Stanley Sea

Pakistan does not equal NYC.

For which we are all, I am sure, profoundly grateful.

177 pharmmajor  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:53:50pm

After a statement like that, I hope Michael Berry gets hit with a truck full of cancer.

178 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:54:18pm

re: #170 _RememberTonyC

Steve … I wish I could think of something funny, but I’m at a loss right now. But I will take that drink!

done

179 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:54:20pm

re: #175 Aceofwhat?

It’s really quite amazing. *_* Have you heard Dangermouse’s project with the Shins dude, Broken Bells? Holy living hell is that album good.

180 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:54:42pm

re: #179 WindUpBird

It’s really quite amazing. *_* Have you heard Dangermouse’s project with the Shins dude, Broken Bells? Holy living hell is that album good.

no…is it easy to find?

181 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:54:47pm

re: #169 Ojoe

Art.

BBL

The link didn’t work.

182 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:54:53pm

re: #172 WindUpBird

Uhhh number 1 and 2, Magritte’s cutouts? Image: matisse118.JPG

also, #3… Grey Album by Dangermouse, made up completely of existing samples and music [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Actually, I’ve seen some work by 5 year olds that really moved me. I would have called it art. And, I am an Art Major. I learned that Art is a form of communication. Whether it will end up in a museum or not is beside the point.

IMHO, Nature/G-d/Whatever you call “That Than Which Nothing Greater Can Be Conceived” is the the only true artist. The rest of us just try.

183 researchok  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:55:10pm

re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote

I am absolutely positively NOT in the mood at the moment for the same old relativist, “but the left did it to whine.” Whatever lefty did the where’s Boothe whe n you need him thing, was not a giant media star who represents a major political party on a national network - if it ever happened at all.

If you are only making the fair point that all egregious and repugnant freaks should be held accountable, then certainly I agree. If you are doing the ohhh so common knee jerk defense we see here of trying to compare a small infraction on the left ( and that was small, if it happened, lone kook few followers if any compared to national GOP personality) then take your comment ad stuff it sideways.

Since I like you, I am assuming you meant the first interpretation. That all dangerous and sick kooks deserve to be dealt with.

Sorry, LVQ, perhaps my response was unclear. Like you, I find moral relativism the refuge of the dull witted.

I only responded because you seemed to have called only for examples of right wing hate (which I fond as offensive as you, to be sure), implying that there are differences when it comes to hate.

Real hate isn’t a political expression. Real hate is deadly irrespective of where it is found. Stalin, Che, Mao, et al, are no less offensive than Hitler, Allende or Pinochet.

When it comes to hate there can be no ambiguity.

184 Ojoe  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:55:10pm

Art

185 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:55:39pm

re: #184 Ojoe

Art


Wow, that is like an artistic statement…

186 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:56:21pm

re: #184 Ojoe

Art

very tricky

187 Ojoe  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:56:48pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Brunelleschi’s dome. Try
This link ?

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:56:51pm

re: #73 prairiefire

Ha ha ha ha ha

Erick Son of Erick just posted a diary in which he confesses he actually can not support any of the claims he made yesterday on his blog regarding the Nikki Haley affair accusation.

Why was Nikki on the phone with this blogger for over 150 minutes, anyway? Did she just forget to hang up?

Perhaps. She could have just put the phone down without disconnecting, and he kept talking, while she did some paperwork, made dinner plans, did a load of laundry…

189 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:56:56pm

re: #185 ralphieboy

Wow, that is like an artistic statement…

no Mona Lisa?

190 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:57:10pm

re: #180 Aceofwhat?

no…is it easy to find?

Yes :) It’s impossible to get away from on the radio here.

Listen to this, if it’s not stuck in your head for a week…

Youtube Video

191 Ojoe  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:57:54pm

re: #185 ralphieboy

The product of a cheerful, boisterous, optimistic age.

Ours is anything but.

192 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:57:57pm

re: #168 ralphieboy

You see, that was the art of it: nobody cared…

Eh. I’ve never played a chess game for art’s sake. I guess I just don’t get it.

193 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:58:34pm

re: #173 ggt

I have fresh coffee, do you take cream and/or sugar. Anything stronger you have to add yourself. I hear you will be driving later. I can’t be responsible.

;)

Dunkin Donuts …. medium coffee …. cream and one sugar …. THANKS

194 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:58:43pm

re: #190 WindUpBird

Yes :) It’s impossible to get away from on the radio here.

Listen to this, if it’s not stuck in your head for a week…


[Video]

it’s an old Elmore James tune…doctored up for MTV

195 Ojoe  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:58:45pm

BBL !

196 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:59:19pm

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

Eh. I’ve never played a chess game for art’s sake. I guess I just don’t get it.


I have never played a game of chess with a nude woman, but then again, I’m no artist…

197 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:59:28pm

re: #187 Ojoe

Brunelleschi’s dome. Try
This link ?

i think that was in Assassin’s Creed…or the second one…loved those games.

198 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:59:35pm

re: #187 Ojoe

Brunelleschi’s dome. Try
This link ?

That link works, and it is indeed art.

199 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 28, 2010 2:59:52pm

re: #193 _RememberTonyC

Dunkin Donuts … medium coffee … cream and one sugar … THANKS

Here you go!

200 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:00:27pm

re: #196 ralphieboy

I have never played a game of chess with a nude woman, but then again, I’m no artist…

my wife used to play ping pong naked…and she was left handed with a pretty stout slam

201 blueraven  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:01:10pm

re: #158 researchok

Morons come in all varieties and stripes.

Recall the opinion piece ‘Where’s John Wilkes Booth when you need him,’ or something to that effect as the author called for the assassination of George Bush.

Then there was the movie ‘Death of a President’ that depicted the murder of Bush. Code Pink and the Truthers claimed Bush authored 9/11. I could go on and on and on, but you know what I’m saying.

I find Berry to be a repulsive idiot- but repulsive idiots are found all over the place. They all ought to be excoriated. That is what is important. The extremists on all sides are equally offensive. To pretend otherwise is to go down the wrong road and more importantly, to miss the point.

None of these people have a mainstream news hour on television and a 3 hr daily radio show. They are the fringe and are treated as such.

202 ~Fianna  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:01:22pm

re: #166 Aceofwhat?

updinged…the photography was all the statement you needed, i’m sure!

that’s what I was hoping. yes, of course the specific images had meaning to me - that’s why I chose them and framed them the way that I did and then printed them the way they were printed. But after that, it’s up to the viewer to decide what (if anything) they mean in the wider world beyond my own mind.

203 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:02:04pm

re: #196 ralphieboy

I have never played a game of chess with a nude woman, but then again, I’m no artist…

we know of a local couple that plays nude Scrabble … sounds good, right? I’ve seen her, and I can only imagine what she’d do if she scored “exquisite” on a triple word score spot!

204 Macha  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:02:36pm

re: #114 darthstar

Except for Orange county and south. All Republican there.

205 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:02:41pm

re: #199 ggt

Here you go!

wish i could give more than one upding for that!

206 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:03:21pm

re: #183 researchok

Sorry, LVQ, perhaps my response was unclear. Like you, I find moral relativism the refuge of the dull witted.

I only responded because you seemed to have called only for examples of right wing hate (which I fond as offensive as you, to be sure), implying that there are differences when it comes to hate.

Real hate isn’t a political expression. Real hate is deadly irrespective of where it is found. Stalin, Che, Mao, et al, are no less offensive than Hitler, Allende or Pinochet.

When it comes to hate there can be no ambiguity.

You are of course correct.

It is all good.

I am looking back at my post and realizing just how pissed off at this I am.

My point is that, it does not matter if you can find some bedraggled fool from some rally in California, as a poster child for hateful left wing statements against Bush in this context. There is no comparison to be made.

The bedraggled left wing kook was just some little guy who the vast majority of Americans would not give the time of day to.

Beck is a national media figure on a major network that is the voice of a major Political party, the GOP. Any infraction of his is vastly magnified compared to the leftwing creep’s nonsense. The leftwing creep for example did not have the major media pimping his message and stirring shit to dangerous levels.

If you have ever read my defences of Israel against left wing libels here, you know full well I can give it to those creeps as well.

I am however, tired I mean deeply tired, of hearing the false comparison. There is egregious statement after egregious, racist, hateful, violence inciting statement made by major right wing people and even GOP politicians. There is no comparison to some white guy with dreadlocks, a che shirt and face piercings, ranting on a sidewalk.

207 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:03:36pm

re: #199 ggt

Here you go!

Damn…that looks good. Seriously.

208 ~Fianna  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:03:49pm

re: #189 albusteve

no Mona Lisa?

I so don’t get the whole Mona Lisa mystique. It’s certainly not a bad painting, but it’s not even on my runner-up list for best paintings of all time ever.

209 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:04:57pm

re: #207 darthstar

Damn…that looks good. Seriously.

You can have one too! Here.

210 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:05:06pm

re: #207 darthstar

Damn…that looks good. Seriously.

I had one of those this morning with a Dunkin Donuts egg white sandwich with veggies …. I swear to G-d, that sandwich could make me quit egg mcmuffins!

211 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:05:12pm

re: #208 ~Fianna

I so don’t get the whole Mona Lisa mystique. It’s certainly not a bad painting, but it’s not even on my runner-up list for best paintings of all time ever.

I’ll admit I wasn’t overly impressed when I saw it myself…but some of the other paintings in the room with her were beautiful.

212 CuriousLurker  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:05:36pm

re: #199 ggt

Here you go!

Shoot! Now I have to go make a pot of coffee.

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:06:16pm

re: #75 Gus 802

This is weird.

I missed my calling. I shoulda been an ‘artist’. (As opposed to being an artist, which I have no talent for.)

They’re seriously displaying a model polar bear eating Barack Obama’s head and guts to ‘highlight issues of global warming’?

214 darthstar  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:06:18pm

re: #212 CuriousLurker

Shoot! Now I have to go make a pot of coffee.


Heh…putting the percolator on myself right now.

215 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:06:18pm

re: #208 ~Fianna

I so don’t get the whole Mona Lisa mystique. It’s certainly not a bad painting, but it’s not even on my runner-up list for best paintings of all time ever.

I used to think that until I saw her. No print can do her justice. It really is about the light, the ability to move around the room while looking at her, and the quality of the paints. It is almost like she is breathing in the room with you.

216 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:06:19pm

re: #208 ~Fianna

I so don’t get the whole Mona Lisa mystique. It’s certainly not a bad painting, but it’s not even on my runner-up list for best paintings of all time ever.

Oh, there is something very cool about the Mona Lisa. I can’t explain it. I think I started to fall for the painting while reading about Da Vinci and seeing the other versions of the painting. He was so incredibly talented.

217 brookly red  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:07:40pm

re: #210 _RememberTonyC

I had one of those this morning with a Dunkin Donuts egg white sandwich with veggies … I swear to G-d, that sandwich could make me quit egg mcmuffins!

much better for you too.

218 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:08:03pm

The Matisse collages that everyone wonders about are also WAY COOL. I was able to see them up close once. They are are size of a house. They simply cannot be reproduced in print.

219 blueraven  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:08:48pm

BP presser on CNN now.

220 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:09:11pm

re: #217 brookly red

much better for you too.

that’s what my wife said too :)

I guess she’s not out for the life insurance money after all!

/

221 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:09:16pm

re: #216 ggt

Oh, there is something very cool about the Mona Lisa. I can’t explain it. I think I started to fall for the painting while reading about Da Vinci and seeing the other versions of the painting. He was so incredibly talented.

ho hum…
I consider this a work of art surpassing the Mona
Image: eiffel-tower03.jpg

222 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:09:50pm

re: #218 ggt

The Matisse collages that everyone wonders about are also WAY COOL. I was able to see them up close once. They are are size of a house. They simply cannot be reproduced in print.

agreed

223 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:11:03pm

re: #221 albusteve

ho hum…
I consider this a work of art surpassing the Mona
Image: eiffel-tower03.jpg

I can admire the feat of engineering, but the tower just doesn’t move me.

224 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:11:06pm

re: #94 Gus 802

The critics on the right criticized Obama’s support of offshore drilling as being timid or a ploy. The critics on the left criticized Obama’s support of offshore drilling as going too far.

We can’t place a moratorium on off shore oil drilling. Not for the foreseeable future.

The “art” in question however is a criticism of the US position at COP-15. I assume that the “artist” wanted the USA to take the side of the totalitarian nation of Sudan.

“Issues of global warming”. Not even Ludwig has suggested to me that one of the side effects of climate change might be a polar bear eating the president.

He should have mentioned that. It would have freaked me out and got my attention.

225 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:11:18pm

re: #221 albusteve

ho hum…
I consider this a work of art surpassing the Mona
Image: eiffel-tower03.jpg


this ain’t bad either! (warning: female hotness alert)

google.com

226 researchok  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:11:29pm

re: #201 blueraven

None of these people have a mainstream news hour on television and a 3 hr daily radio show. They are the fringe and are treated as such.

Right. So when Ted Rall calls Condaleeza Rice a ‘House n*****’, that’s different.

So when Carl Rowan said “if you give Thomas a little flour on his face, you’d think you had [former Klansman] David Duke,” that’s OK because he didn’t have a TV show?

Willie Brown called Thomas not only “a shill for the most insidious form of racism, but also a man whose views are “legitimizing of the Ku Klux Klan”. Is that less offensive than Beck?

Sorry, but it’s all equally ugly to me- and all as offensive, no matter where it comes from.

227 brookly red  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:11:34pm

re: #220 _RememberTonyC

that’s what my wife said too :)

I guess she’s not out for the life insurance money after all!

/

I can’t say for sure in this case but a lot of times the “healthy alternative” is in part healthier because it has half the calories… in my book that means you can eat 2 :)

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:12:48pm

re: #98 darthstar

To tell you the truth, as much as I like the president, I thought the ‘Daddy did you plug the hole yet?’ story was a bad attempt at humanizing his involvement. I’m happy knowing he’s talking to people on a daily basis, demanding results, and making sure his other work gets done. But that kind of shit plays well to middle America, so I’ll give him a pass all the same.

It was soppy, but dads like to tell stories about their kids, and I figure that this is as close to a nonpartisan president’s-daughter story as there could be. I mean, everyone wants him to plug to the hole. Except for Rush Limbaugh, who seems to think it doesn’t matter much.

229 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:12:55pm

re: #225 _RememberTonyC

this ain’t bad either! (warning: female hotness alert)

[Link: www.google.com…]

Well, if we are going to talk about G-d’s work … .

Art

230 brookly red  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:13:46pm

re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist

“Issues of global warming”. Not even Ludwig has suggested to me that one of the side effects of climate change might be a polar bear eating the president.

He should have mentioned that. It would have freaked me out and got my attention.

more likely the Vice President…

231 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:13:56pm

re: #226 researchok

Oops, blueraven let himself get sucked into the ‘BUT THE LEFT!!!!…!!..’ trap again.

Still specious.

232 Gus  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:14:06pm

re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist

“Issues of global warming”. Not even Ludwig has suggested to me that one of the side effects of climate change might be a polar bear eating the president.

He should have mentioned that. It would have freaked me out and got my attention.

That was sort of the popular image. Attaching polar bears with AGW.

However, I did a quick search before and found a few headlines that read, “Obama keeps Bush-era polar bear rule.”

233 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:14:29pm

re: #227 brookly red

I can’t say for sure in this case but a lot of times the “healthy alternative” is in part healthier because it has half the calories… in my book that means you can eat 2 :)

you, me, and FBV can agree!

234 researchok  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:14:39pm

re: #206 LudwigVanQuixote

You are of course correct.

It is all good.

I am looking back at my post and realizing just how pissed off at this I am.

My point is that, it does not matter if you can find some bedraggled fool from some rally in California, as a poster child for hateful left wing statements against Bush in this context. There is no comparison to be made.

The bedraggled left wing kook was just some little guy who the vast majority of Americans would not give the time of day to.

Beck is a national media figure on a major network that is the voice of a major Political party, the GOP. Any infraction of his is vastly magnified compared to the leftwing creep’s nonsense. The leftwing creep for example did not have the major media pimping his message and stirring shit to dangerous levels.

If you have ever read my defences of Israel against left wing libels here, you know full well I can give it to those creeps as well.

I am however, tired I mean deeply tired, of hearing the false comparison. There is egregious statement after egregious, racist, hateful, violence inciting statement made by major right wing people and even GOP politicians. There is no comparison to some white guy with dreadlocks, a che shirt and face piercings, ranting on a sidewalk.

LVQ, I can assure you we are on the same page 99% of the time. As for where we might disagree, ‘well, you say tomayto I say tomahto’- and that is a good thing. Lock step has always been a a lousy idea.

It’s about values, not expression.

235 researchok  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:15:05pm

re: #231 windsagio

Oops, blueraven let himself get sucked into the ‘BUT THE LEFT!!!…!!..’ trap again.

Still specious.

LOL

SSDD

236 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:15:29pm

re: #196 ralphieboy

I have never played a game of chess with a nude woman, but then again, I’m no artist…

Maybe the chess pieces were all naked people. Then the Queen would be a naked woman and all the rest of the pieces would be naked men.

237 brookly red  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:15:39pm

re: #233 _RememberTonyC

you, me, and FBV can agree!

quantity has a quality all it’s own ;)

238 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:15:43pm

I have to take a break and pay attention to the laundry.

bbiab

239 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:16:05pm

re: #229 ggt

Well, if we are going to talk about G-d’s work …

Art


If I were a chick, I’d agree!

240 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:16:55pm

re: #100 blueraven

Way too little, too late. He is getting hammered, and had to say something. He was giddy with wingnuttery when he was doing this. This is the best he’s got?

Yeah, apparently. Shameless. He attacked an eleven-year-old girl personally on the air, and that’s all he’s got.

241 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:17:11pm

re: #101 albusteve

Americans want a one hour (with commercials) fix for everything

Doesn’t everyone?

242 ~Fianna  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:17:47pm

re: #211 darthstar

I’ll admit I wasn’t overly impressed when I saw it myself…but some of the other paintings in the room with her were beautiful.

We’re planning a trip to France and Italy in December. I’m not sure we’re going to make it to the Louvre this time. We’ll think about it if we wind up in Paris on a random weekday when the crowds will be smaller.

The idea of standing in line for 2 hours to see a painting that I don’t even care all that much for seems like a silly waste of time when there’s so much else to see in the city and in the museum.

243 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:18:37pm

OT:

Last night as I went to bed, I happened upon this Fun and headachy wiki article.

I mean yeah, I know I had a liberal arts degree, but most of these things I hadn’t even heard of. What’re they teaching kids in science class these days if not that the universe is probably (but not certainly) a ‘3-manifold of comoving space’?

244 ~Fianna  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:19:29pm

re: #215 LudwigVanQuixote

I used to think that until I saw her. No print can do her justice. It really is about the light, the ability to move around the room while looking at her, and the quality of the paints. It is almost like she is breathing in the room with you.

That’s interesting.

There are almost no paintings where the print does it any justice. I’m not a huge Goya fan, but seeing them as they really are was very, very different than seeing a print or an picture. They’re breathtaking in person.

245 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:20:03pm

re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist

“Issues of global warming”. Not even Ludwig has suggested to me that one of the side effects of climate change might be a polar bear eating the president.

He should have mentioned that. It would have freaked me out and got my attention.

although the emaciated human photo gallery was a nice freaky gesture on his part/

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:20:09pm

re: #121 dugmartsch

i read a lot of lefty (being a lefty) blogs and I’ve never seen a trig joke. I’m sure people are making them just that I’ve never seen one, and I’d consider it disastrously distasteful for someone to make one. A dark hard line in the sand, unless they’re adults and attempting to be media personalities themselves.

The Chelsea jokes were the worst. I couldn’t imagine having my fat, awkward teenage phase broadcast and then mocked on national media. The thought makes me want to throw up.

Implying that the Obama’s perfectly normal children are somehow developmentally challenged because they asked a childlike question is beyond awful.

Actually, he wasn’t, I don’t think, implying that they were developmentally challenged. He was implying that they were poorly educated. Which leads toward a whole different can of worms or two.

247 brookly red  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:20:18pm

re: #243 windsagio

OT:

Last night as I went to bed, I happened upon this Fun and headachy wiki article.

I mean yeah, I know I had a liberal arts degree, but most of these things I hadn’t even heard of. What’re they teaching kids in science class these days if not that the universe is probably (but not certainly) a ‘3-manifold of comoving space’?

when I took science they taught us the universe was really big…

248 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:20:36pm

re: #244 ~Fianna

I’m sure someones said this, but that’s always been a big mystery to me. I mean that’s not outright logical, what makes it work that way?

249 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:21:11pm

re: #196 ralphieboy

I have never played a game of chess with a nude woman, but then again, I’m no artist…

Let me assure you it is a lot of fun :)

So are rules where she loses a garment each time she is in check :)

(and yes those rules applied to me as well, but I really am good at chess ;) )

250 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:22:02pm

re: #247 brookly red

I think they told us it was infinite.

Unfortunately in the ’90s when I was in HS, they already knew it wasn’t true!

Damn lying science teachers… Its a plot!

251 researchok  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:22:15pm

re: #249 LudwigVanQuixote

Let me assure you it is a lot of fun :)

So are rules where she loses a garment each time she is in check :)

(and yes those rules applied to me as well, but I really am good at chess ;) )

Try checkers. Lots faster.

252 blueraven  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:22:24pm

re: #226 researchok

Right. So when Ted Rall calls Condaleeza Rice a ‘House n*****’, that’s different.

So when Carl Rowan said “if you give Thomas a little flour on his face, you’d think you had [former Klansman] David Duke,” that’s OK because he didn’t have a TV show?

Willie Brown called Thomas not only “a shill for the most insidious form of racism, but also a man whose views are “legitimizing of the Ku Klux Klan”. Is that less offensive than Beck?

Sorry, but it’s all equally ugly to me- and all as offensive, no matter where it comes from.

I agree, it is all ugly. My point is, there are many people who continue to support this kind of behavior. Beck is mainstream media, as much as he would like to think otherwise. His comments on the radio show should be highlighted as often as possible. Maybe more folks would get the message that he is a creep and stop watching and listening to him.

253 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:22:31pm

re: #249 LudwigVanQuixote

Let me assure you it is a lot of fun :)

So are rules where she loses a garment each time she is in check :)

(and yes those rules applied to me as well, but I really am good at chess ;) )

are you The Most Interesting Man In The World?….tell the truth

254 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:22:44pm

re: #240 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, apparently. Shameless. He attacked an eleven-year-old girl personally on the air, and that’s all he’s got.

That may not be all he gets. I can see him losing his few sponsors over this. It stinks to high heaven and hopefully they won’t want to be associated with his vile bilge.

255 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:23:02pm

re: #158 researchok

Morons come in all varieties and stripes.

Recall the opinion piece ‘Where’s John Wilkes Booth when you need him,’ or something to that effect as the author called for the assassination of George Bush.

Then there was the movie ‘Death of a President’ that depicted the murder of Bush. Code Pink and the Truthers claimed Bush authored 9/11. I could go on and on and on, but you know what I’m saying.

I find Berry to be a repulsive idiot- but repulsive idiots are found all over the place. They all ought to be excoriated. That is what is important. The extremists on all sides are equally offensive. To pretend otherwise is to go down the wrong road and more importantly, to miss the point.

Please, I must ask. When Charles was posting a horror story a day about vile leftist idiots, did you start off your posts by listing several bad things right-wing idiots had done in the past?

256 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:23:22pm

re: #251 researchok

Try checkers. Lots faster.

Twister works for me

257 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:23:38pm

re: #255 SanFranciscoZionist

I love you lady, run away with me!

258 Macha  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:23:51pm

re: #244 ~Fianna

That’s interesting.

There are almost no paintings where the print does it any justice. I’m not a huge Goya fan, but seeing them as they really are was very, very different than seeing a print or an picture. They’re breathtaking in person.

I think that is true about most artwork. We are so used to seeing reproductions that we don’t realize the difference. I’m going to Paris in Sept. and hope to see the Mona Lisa among others. Considering what that painting has been through, it is amazing it is in such good shape. Da Vinci was a genius, but he also liked to experiment with the binders for his pigment. That is why The Last Supper was disintegrating off the wall it was painted on.

259 ~Fianna  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:23:55pm

re: #249 LudwigVanQuixote

Let me assure you it is a lot of fun :)

So are rules where she loses a garment each time she is in check :)

(and yes those rules applied to me as well, but I really am good at chess ;) )

I’d be naked pretty quick if I’m playing someone who can actually play. I can usually beat a casual player, but I’m too tactical and not nearly strategic enough, so someone with better theory can beat me almost 100% of the time.

260 brookly red  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:23:55pm

re: #250 windsagio

I think they told us it was infinite.

Unfortunately in the ’90s when I was in HS, they already knew it wasn’t true!

Damn lying science teachers… Its a plot!

good thing you are not older or you would remember when the taught us about the impending ice age… sheesh.

261 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:24:42pm

re: #244 ~Fianna

That’s interesting.

There are almost no paintings where the print does it any justice. I’m not a huge Goya fan, but seeing them as they really are was very, very different than seeing a print or an picture. They’re breathtaking in person.

I adore Goya and Rembrandt. I am actually a tremendous fan of art and an enthusiastic amateur painter. I draw as well. Not that I am claiming to be particularly good, but if I draw or paint someone, it looks recognizably like them and is usually flattering.

I think this is a roundabout way fo saying that if you like Goya and you know the difference between his work and aa print, I really, really think you should see the Mona Lisa in person before making the call you are making. I also say that because I really did once feel the same way, and some of my friends told me to not be an idiot and see her in person before commenting.

262 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:25:09pm

re: #251 researchok

Try checkers. Lots faster.

Speed is not the point in such a situation.

263 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:25:22pm

re: #260 brookly red

That was funny, but unfortunately I can’t ding it. I hope you understand why :)

264 brookly red  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:25:59pm

re: #263 windsagio

That was funny, but unfortunately I can’t ding it. I hope you understand why :)

yes of course…

265 aagcobb  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:26:10pm

Speaking of racist xenophobes, in an interview on Russian television Rand Paul said Mexicans should be allowed to come to work in the US but not be given an easy path to citizenship, and he wants to repeal the 14th Amendment so that their babies born here can’t be citizens either (starts about the 9:13 mark of the interview).

266 researchok  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:26:40pm

re: #255 SanFranciscoZionist

Please, I must ask. When Charles was posting a horror story a day about vile leftist idiots, did you start off your posts by listing several bad things right-wing idiots had done in the past?

I think I did- this position is not something I just staked out. Right wing idiots are especially offensive to me because I don’t anyone to believe they speak for me or what I believe.

(When I publicly I was pro choice, I got mail you wouldn’t believe).

That said, I have really been a serious commenter for all that long as you must know. I may not even be one now!

267 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:27:20pm

re: #230 brookly red

more likely the Vice President…

Wait, the bear is more likely to eat Biden, or Biden is more likely to eat Obama?

268 ~Fianna  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:27:35pm

re: #261 LudwigVanQuixote

I adore Goya and Rembrandt. I am actually a tremendous fan of art and an enthusiastic amateur painter. I draw as well. Not that I am claiming to be particularly good, but if I draw or paint someone, it looks recognizably like them and is usually flattering.

I think this is a roundabout way fo saying that if you like Goya and you know the difference between his work and aa print, I really, really think you should see the Mona Lisa in person before making the call you are making. I also say that because I really did once feel the same way, and some of my friends told me to not be an idiot and see her in person before commenting.

I’ll definitely keep that in mind. I’m not sure if we’re going to make the Louvre on this trip. There’s a lot of other stuff that’s on the list and we’re probably only going to do 2 or 3 days in Paris.

269 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:27:46pm

re: #265 aagcobb

Speaking of racist xenophobes, in an interview on Russian television Rand Paul said Mexicans should be allowed to come to work in the US but not be given an easy path to citizenship, and he wants to repeal the 14th Amendment so that their babies born here can’t be citizens either (starts about the 9:13 mark of the interview).

Heh, that’s totally the real reason he wants to repeal the 14th amendment!

(Not that it’s not bad enough on its own)

270 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:28:04pm

re: #232 Gus 802

That was sort of the popular image. Attaching polar bears with AGW.

However, I did a quick search before and found a few headlines that read, “Obama keeps Bush-era polar bear rule.”

What IS the ‘Polar Bear Rule’? My first rule with polar bears is to keep a safe distance.

271 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:29:01pm

re: #265 aagcobb

Speaking of racist xenophobes, in an interview on Russian television Rand Paul said Mexicans should be allowed to come to work in the US but not be given an easy path to citizenship, and he wants to repeal the 14th Amendment so that their babies born here can’t be citizens either (starts about the 9:13 mark of the interview).

I agree about the anchor baby policy…I don’t like it because it trivializes citizenship….the right timing, a stroke of luck and presto!….citizenship

272 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:29:07pm

re: #259 ~Fianna

I’d be naked pretty quick if I’m playing someone who can actually play. I can usually beat a casual player, but I’m too tactical and not nearly strategic enough, so someone with better theory can beat me almost 100% of the time.

Chess is a lot like martial arts. What I mean by that is if you learn the basics and practice, you will wipe the floor with someone who hasn’t. On the other hand, there is more to learn after a blackbelt (master rating) than there is before it, and unless your name is Kasparov, there is always someone out there who can wipe the floor with you.

You missed out on a very very juicy thread a week or so ago where Floral Giraffe and I were tormenting the stalkers with D/s talk.

I would say from that position the whole point of the naked chess game is to seductively make her feel overwhelmed - while she still struggles to somehow win - and everything gets drawn out for a long time and a lot of anticipation ;)

273 brookly red  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:29:22pm

re: #267 SanFranciscoZionist

Wait, the bear is more likely to eat Biden, or Biden is more likely to eat Obama?

the bear is more likely to eat Biden at the zoo…

err Joe wait, that’s not the men room… Joe?

274 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:29:43pm

re: #271 albusteve

-1 for ‘anchor baby’

/yes, yes I know you don’t care.

275 Racer X  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:31:08pm

For those who may have missed this excellent example of art last night.

Unbelievable Pencil Art by Paul Lung

Dude does not use an eraser.

Sample:

Image: 10.jpg

276 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:31:12pm

re: #272 LudwigVanQuixote

Makes me want to get good at chess >>

277 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:31:21pm

re: #274 windsagio

-1 for ‘anchor baby’

/yes, yes I know you don’t care.

just dong every post I make….keep it simple for yourself

278 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:31:22pm

re: #265 aagcobb

Speaking of racist xenophobes, in an interview on Russian television Rand Paul said Mexicans should be allowed to come to work in the US but not be given an easy path to citizenship, and he wants to repeal the 14th Amendment so that their babies born here can’t be citizens either (starts about the 9:13 mark of the interview).

Ah. The Bracero Program. I think I remember this one. FROM 1942.

Also, and I hope Rand will understand this, the 14th Amendment is not on the table.

Any other bright ideas?

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:31:57pm

re: #266 researchok

I think I did- this position is not something I just staked out. Right wing idiots are especially offensive to me because I don’t anyone to believe they speak for me or what I believe.

(When I publicly I was pro choice, I got mail you wouldn’t believe).

That said, I have really been a serious commenter for all that long as you must know. I may not even be one now!

All right then. Just pointedly asking.

280 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:32:31pm

re: #267 SanFranciscoZionist

Wait, the bear is more likely to eat Biden, or Biden is more likely to eat Obama?

the bear is more likely to eat Obama while Biden says something completely off-the-wall/

281 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:32:42pm

re: #277 albusteve

But I love you talking about old cars and classic rock! (Except the Stones are fascist thugs. The old good songs kinda make that forgiveable tho’)

282 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:32:57pm

re: #272 LudwigVanQuixote

Chess is a lot like martial arts. What I mean by that is if you learn the basics and practice, you will wipe the floor with someone who hasn’t. On the other hand, there is more to learn after a blackbelt (master rating) than there is before it, and unless your name is Kasparov, there is always someone out there who can wipe the floor with you.

You missed out on a very very juicy thread a week or so ago where Floral Giraffe and I were tormenting the stalkers with D/s talk.

I would say from that position the whole point of the naked chess game is to seductively make her feel overwhelmed - while she still struggles to somehow win - and everything gets drawn out for a long time and a lot of anticipation ;)

Chess with a Happy Ending. ;)

283 wrenchwench  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:33:26pm

re: #271 albusteve

I agree about the anchor baby policy…I don’t like it because it trivializes citizenship…the right timing, a stroke of luck and presto!…citizenship

There is nothing trivial about being born. If you do it here, you get to be an American. I think that’s great.

284 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:33:34pm

re: #276 windsagio

Makes me want to get good at chess >>

LOL, I really love the game. For more than those reasons. I think its something that everyone should learn.

285 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:34:00pm

re: #271 albusteve

I agree about the anchor baby policy…I don’t like it because it trivializes citizenship…the right timing, a stroke of luck and presto!…citizenship

I got mine through the right timing and a stroke of luck. It involved my great-grandparents coming to the United States at a time when immigration was fairly easy.

How on earth is it more trivial to get your citizenship through jus solis than jus sanguinis?

286 brookly red  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:34:01pm

re: #281 windsagio

But I love you talking about old cars and classic rock! (Except the Stones are fascist thugs. The old good songs kinda make that forgiveable tho’)

fascist thugs?

287 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:34:49pm

re: #284 LudwigVanQuixote

I actually hate it. Too damn stressful.

Of course it doesn’t help that all my friends are substantially better than me,


you should get into chess with WUB sometime. He’s a big fan ;) Just REALLY ANNOYING TO PLAY AGAINST!

288 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:35:33pm

re: #283 wrenchwench

There is nothing trivial about being born. If you do it here, you get to be an American. I think that’s great.

I don’t…there is no reason for it…just some notion somebody cooked up….we are not exceptional and citizenship should be earned

289 ~Fianna  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:35:37pm

re: #272 LudwigVanQuixote

Chess is a lot like martial arts. What I mean by that is if you learn the basics and practice, you will wipe the floor with someone who hasn’t. On the other hand, there is more to learn after a blackbelt (master rating) than there is before it, and unless your name is Kasparov, there is always someone out there who can wipe the floor with you.

You missed out on a very very juicy thread a week or so ago where Floral Giraffe and I were tormenting the stalkers with D/s talk.

I would say from that position the whole point of the naked chess game is to seductively make her feel overwhelmed - while she still struggles to somehow win - and everything gets drawn out for a long time and a lot of anticipation ;)

I’m way sorry I missed that thread. :(

Chess has long been on the list of things I want to study more, but that list gets longer every year.

290 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:35:41pm

re: #286 brookly red

Hyperbole :D

They’ve become emblematic of the corporate downfall of mainstream music tho’, I’ll stand by that.

291 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:35:58pm

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

Chess with a Happy Ending. ;)

You’ve seen the original Thomas Crown Affair?

IMHO the sexiest and most intensely evocative scene in all of American cinema is that chess game between Faye Dunaway and Steve McQueen.

There is much to be said about battles of wits and great anticipation.

292 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:36:31pm

re: #278 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah. The Bracero Program. I think I remember this one. FROM 1942.

Also, and I hope Rand will understand this, the 14th Amendment is not on the table.

Any other bright ideas?

Rand is a purist. He’ll keep advancing as long as someone puts a microphone in front of him. The man has no tactical sense whatsoever. Going back to chess for a moment, I could have beaten him when I was 15. Someone who cannot evolve and adapt will be destroyed.

293 researchok  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:36:37pm

re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist

All right then. Just pointedly asking.

Sure, that’s fair.

Actually, that is a really good question to ask anyone who appears a bit too orthodox. It’s like a cold water reality check.

The more I think about it, the more I like it.

294 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:36:43pm

re: #284 LudwigVanQuixote

LOL, I really love the game. For more than those reasons. I think its something that everyone should learn.

nah. my adhd is too strong. i prefer to duel with small green balls and my babolat of destruction;)

295 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:36:57pm

The Laundry has had it’s attention.

Speaking of Polar Bears …

Baby Bear Fight!

296 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:38:16pm

re: #289 ~Fianna

I’m way sorry I missed that thread. :(

Chess has long been on the list of things I want to study more, but that list gets longer every year.

You would have had much to contribute. It even had a stalker blow his sock over it and SFZ chew the bastard out.

297 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:38:16pm

re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist

I got mine through the right timing and a stroke of luck. It involved my great-grandparents coming to the United States at a time when immigration was fairly easy.

How on earth is it more trivial to get your citizenship through jus solis than jus sanguinis?

there is nothing to debate, it’s either one way or the other…we are not living in the past

298 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:38:24pm

re: #288 albusteve

You understand some of the context of that law right?

Citizenship by “Right of blood” is so much better and less creepy.

/wait I’m joking, its way more messed up.

299 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:38:35pm

Othello! That’s my game.

300 wrenchwench  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:38:57pm

re: #292 Dark_Falcon

Rand is a purist. He’ll keep advancing as long as someone puts a microphone in front of him. The man has no tactical sense whatsoever. Going back to chess for a moment, I could have beaten him when I was 15. Someone who cannot evolve and adapt will be destroyed.

That reminded me of the bumpersticker I saw at lunch:

When Evolution is Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Evolve
301 Racer X  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:39:02pm

re: #277 albusteve

just dong every post I make…keep it simple for yourself

Heh, heh heh heh, heh. You said Dong.

302 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:39:42pm

re: #293 researchok

I really hate it, applied to either side.

It carries the implication that the wrongs of one side negate the wrongs of another, and that simply isn’t true.

Its also massively overused.

303 Bagua  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:39:48pm

I’ve just concluded that BP is taking clues from the producers of LOST. I mean, what are we looking at here? (Livestream) Is the Smokemonster Oil or Mud?

Is it being pumped or back-flow? At what rate? What pressure readings? They are purposely controlling the flow of information to keep the viewers confused, yet fascinated with the show. Anxiously awaiting the next episode.

304 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:40:01pm

American Citizenship is my birthright. Something I feel is very precious. It saddens me when I see it so unappreciated by so many.

That part of the 14th amendment is a good thing.

305 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:41:40pm

re: #290 windsagio

Hyperbole :D

They’ve become emblematic of the corporate downfall of mainstream music tho’, I’ll stand by that.

you have no clue…the downfall began when any old hack wanted to make a quick fortune and sold out…and to consider the Stones mainstream is ridiculous….they don’t write music to be put up on a pop chart, distributors do that

306 Racer X  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:41:58pm

re: #303 Bagua

I’ve just concluded that BP is taking clues from the producers of LOST. I mean, what are we looking at here? (Livestream) Is the Smokemonster Oil or Mud?

Is it being pumped or back-flow? At what rate? What pressure readings? They are purposely controlling the flow of information to keep the viewers confused, yet fascinated with the show. Anxiously awaiting the next episode.

All we need is a rooster to crow once every few minutes and this could be a real party!

307 brookly red  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:42:05pm

re: #297 albusteve

there is nothing to debate, it’s either one way or the other…we are not living in the past

/well how about we ask the baby if that it wants to accept the 65,000 dollars of indebtedness that comes with citizen ship and let it decided?

308 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:42:09pm

Fun reading on the philosophical background of the citizenship clause.

Its creepy to me that Germany still granted citizenship on Jus Sanguinius until 2000.

309 Jetpilot1101  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:42:14pm

Way OT:

Home sales aren’t looking so hot now that the tax credit is due to expire. I hope this is temporary and only affects the so called “bubble markets” for a brief time.

310 Kragar  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:42:23pm

Gary Coleman has passed away.

311 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:42:26pm

re: #299 ggt

Othello! That’s my game.

That reminds me of go. As a rule of thumb people who like either chess, go, or bridge should not take up one of the others. If they do, they will have no time for anything else.

I really want to learn go properly. It is very much more complex mathematically than chess.

312 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:42:36pm

re: #291 LudwigVanQuixote

You’ve seen the original Thomas Crown Affair?

IMHO the sexiest and most intensely evocative scene in all of American cinema is that chess game between Faye Dunaway and Steve McQueen.

There is much to be said about battles of wits and great anticipation.

True. I tend to stink a battles of wits, though. I’m too much of a perfectionist to be good at them. I’m good at setting up plans in advance, but for dynamic situations I tend to leave the decision making up to a faster thinking person.

313 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:43:26pm

re: #310 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Gary Coleman has passed away.

I actually and not joking, sad about that.

314 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:43:31pm

re: #311 LudwigVanQuixote

That reminds me of go. As a rule of thumb people who like either chess, go, or bridge should not take up one of the others. If they do, they will have no time for anything else.

I really want to learn go properly. It is very much more complex mathematically than chess.

minutes to learn, a life-time to master!

315 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:43:35pm

re: #305 albusteve

Wait, the Stones aren’t mainstream? They helped make mainstream!

now yer just being silly >>

316 Racer X  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:43:41pm

re: #310 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Gary Coleman has passed away.

Watchutalkinboutwillis?

/RIP Gary

317 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:43:56pm

re: #314 ggt

minutes to learn, a life-time to master!

Same for chess and bridge.

318 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:44:00pm

re: #311 LudwigVanQuixote

have you lost your first 50 games of Go yet?

319 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:44:03pm

re: #307 brookly red

/well how about we ask the baby if that it wants to accept the 65,000 dollars of indebtedness that comes with citizen ship and let it decided?

I think that figure may be low now….but good point, haul ‘em in and tax the shit out of them

320 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:44:12pm

re: #295 ggt

The Laundry has had it’s attention.

Speaking of Polar Bears …

Baby Bear Fight!

Too cute for words.

I once saw an amazing photo of a polar bear nursing out on the open snow. Just this gorgeous, terrifying predator holding and feeding her baby, sitting up and holding the little one in place with one paw, very casual.

The photographer called it “Madonna of the Tundra”.

321 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:44:51pm

re: #313 LudwigVanQuixote

Guy had a really tough life. I almost wanna slip into the ‘he’s at peace now’ claptrap.

322 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:45:11pm

I have to leave for a while.

have a great evening all!

323 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:45:26pm

re: #108 LudwigVanQuixote

Speaking of art. I really do not know how to get into a you know it when you see it discussion in any meaningful way. But just to put things in perspective, the following sculpture sold for 15.2 million.

[Link: nymag.com…]

IMHO not art.

In fact, I will lay down Ludwigs rules of thumb for not art.

1. If I can easily do it in 60 minutes or make something indistinguishable from it in 60 minutes, it is not art.

2. If the average five year old can make it - or something indistinguishable from it - in less that 60 minutes, it is not art.

3. If the majority of the work is sampled and almost directly regurgitated, something like taking someone else’s art, and crumpling it or whatever, it is not art.

4. If it is just silly and tasteless and shows no particular talent, but none the less has a passel of fools telling you how “deep a comment on the metaphysical realties of modern society” it is, it is definitely not art.

Works by Picasso, Duchamp, Pollock, Bacon, Diane Arbus (photography), Warhol and Jeff Koons (to name a very few) fall into the above categories. Basically, your criteria nuke an enormous amount of 20th Century art.

324 Racer X  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:45:43pm

Atlantis over Rhodes

325 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:46:03pm

re: #307 brookly red

/well how about we ask the baby if that it wants to accept the 65,000 dollars of indebtedness that comes with citizen ship and let it decided?

Would you give up yours if they GAVE you $65,000?

326 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:46:06pm

re: #315 windsagio

Wait, the Stones aren’t mainstream? They helped make mainstream!

now yer just being silly >>

they forge ahead, whatever follows is somebody else’s handy work….I suppose it depends on the definition of mainstream

327 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:46:07pm

re: #323 ryannon

Man, I remember a few late night stag sessions on this subject; good times!

328 researchok  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:46:11pm

re: #302 windsagio

I really hate it, applied to either side.

It carries the implication that the wrongs of one side negate the wrongs of another, and that simply isn’t true.

Its also massively overused.

I hear that and agree wholeheartedly. I do believe that kind of argument is a refuge of the weak.

The fact is, blue is blue is blue.

I do understand the difficulty in maintaining equanimity. We are all exposed to have innate biases. That said, real thinkers are disciplined- and that is no small matter. A real thinker will engage you with ideas so that you might change your own mind. When someone wants to change your mind for you, as a rule, it’s more about them than the idea.

Ask the teachers in here. Children learn best best when they do it on their own. Force fed education or teaching to the test almost always yields nothing greater than th elower end of mediocrity.

329 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:46:36pm

re: #318 windsagio

have you lost your first 50 games of Go yet?

Lol yes , yes I have, I think I’ve played about 70 games overall. The real problem with it is that games can take days. I honestly do have to work sometime….

330 brookly red  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:46:38pm

re: #325 SanFranciscoZionist

Would you give up yours if they GAVE you $65,000?


no.

331 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:46:42pm

re: #326 albusteve

they used to forge ahead, whatever follows is somebody else’s handy work…I suppose it depends on the definition of mainstream

FixT. Its not 1972 anymore >>

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:47:15pm

re: #330 brookly red

no.

Me neither.

333 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:48:03pm

What’choo talkin’ about Willis!?

Poor, sad little man.

334 brookly red  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:48:06pm

re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist

Me neither.

but 500k in a suite case & I am in Bangkok tomorrow :)

335 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:48:29pm

re: #334 brookly red

Never thought of you being big on sex tourism >>

336 ~Fianna  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:48:45pm

re: #296 LudwigVanQuixote

You would have had much to contribute. It even had a stalker blow his sock over it and SFZ chew the bastard out.

Awesome. I miss all the good stuff. Stupid work.

337 Jetpilot1101  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:48:45pm

OT: Banks better start finding ways to refinance their debt now because in 2012 it will be too late and we’ll all be in another heap of trouble.

338 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:49:22pm

re: #334 brookly red

but 500k in a suite case & I am in Bangkok tomorrow :)

Come on, dude, hold out for a cool million!

339 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:49:53pm

So now they’re admitting to being right-wing radicals?

I thought the cover word was “patriots”.

340 brookly red  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:50:01pm

re: #335 windsagio

Never thought of you being big on sex tourism >>

no but the exchange rate is good… and I love the food.

341 krypto  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:50:01pm

Very amusing how Berry pulled the standard trick used by Limbaugh, Beck, and other right wing talk radio extremists. Just a short time after the caller started, he cut him off (as quietly disconnected the call) and kept talking as if he were still on the line, as if the the caller had no answer to the tirade that followed.

342 Racer X  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:50:17pm

Whatchu talkin bout Willis?

Youtube Video

343 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:50:59pm

re: #331 windsagio

FixT. Its not 1972 anymore >>

no it isn’t, whatever that means….when the Stones want money, they tour and it rains down….funny that, bunch of old washed up rockers knock down $100m in a snap

344 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:51:58pm

re: #323 ryannon

Works by Picasso, Duchamp, Pollock, Bacon, Diane Arbus (photography), Warhol and Jeff Koons (to name a very few) fall into the above categories. Basically, your criteria nuke an enormous amount of 20th Century art.

So be it… I am not a fan. Like I said, those are my personal rules of thumb. I’m really not so pretentious as to tell someone that they can’t like something or to pretend that the perception of what makes art is utterly subjective. Of course it is all in the eye of the beholder. For me however, I am really just not a fan of things that don’t speak to me, and show rather little skill or technique.

That doesn’t mean it is all bad in the 20th or that everything has to be a Rembrandt. I adore many comics for instance, but a comic is a totally different sort of media with a totally different purpose. No one I hope would be pretentious enough to compare Sam Keith, however cool he is, to Rembrandt.

I guess it’s the same as saying I rather like some of Nickleback’s songs. I don not confuse them with Beethoven however.

345 BryanS  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:52:07pm

re: #325 SanFranciscoZionist

Would you give up yours if they GAVE you $65,000?

Perhaps a tangent, but I think guys should have the option of just that when a women gets to choose whether to abort a pregnancy—the choice to “opt out” of a pregnancy that results in a kid he doesn’t want. Would save that man more than $65k, that’s for sure.

346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:52:08pm

re: #343 albusteve

How much has Keith earned for “Hoo Hoo-ing” on “Sympathy for the Devil”?

347 brookly red  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:52:11pm

re: #338 SanFranciscoZionist

Come on, dude, hold out for a cool million!

/hell I could probably raise that here if I promised to leave…

348 brookly red  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:52:54pm

re: #343 albusteve

no it isn’t, whatever that means…when the Stones want money, they tour and it rains down…funny that, bunch of old washed up rockers knock down $100m in a snap

so then they are washed up because?

349 brookly red  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:53:25pm

re: #346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How much has Keith earned for “Hoo Hoo-ing” on “Sympathy for the Devil”?

4 eons…

350 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:53:43pm

re: #336 ~Fianna

Awesome. I miss all the good stuff. Stupid work.

It was maybe two weeks ago… SFZ, DF, ACE, anyone else who was there, do you remember the thread?

351 Renaissance_Man  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:53:43pm

re: #341 krypto

Very amusing how Berry pulled the standard trick used by Limbaugh, Beck, and other right wing talk radio extremists. Just a short time after the caller started, he cut him off (as quietly disconnected the call) and kept talking as if he were still on the line, as if the the caller had no answer to the tirade that followed.

This always used to bug me when I had to listen to 8 hours of conservative talk radio every day. Their grandstanding about how leftists could never argue with them because it was all emotion and ‘feelings’, and how they just withered when confronted with facts. Yeah, mate - if I had call screeners and the ability to cut callers off and then monologue for a bit I’d look like fucking Socrates too.

352 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:54:02pm

re: #119 LudwigVanQuixote

So if and when I make a sculpture of burning dog poo on your front door step, I am happy you will see that it is art and not just comment on the decay of your comments.

Degenerate art, eh?

Really, Ludwig.

353 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:54:35pm

re: #344 LudwigVanQuixote

PIMF

So be it… I am not a fan. Like I said, those are my personal rules of thumb. I’m really not so pretentious as to tell someone that they can’t like something or to pretend that the perception of what makes art is NOTutterly subjective. Of course it is all in the eye of the beholder. For me however, I am really just not a fan of things that don’t speak to me, and show rather little skill or technique.

That doesn’t mean it is all bad in the 20th or that everything has to be a Rembrandt. I adore many comics for instance, but a comic is a totally different sort of media with a totally different purpose. No one I hope would be pretentious enough to compare Sam Keith, however cool he is, to Rembrandt.

I guess it’s the same as saying I rather like some of Nickleback’s songs. I don not confuse them with Beethoven however.

354 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:54:43pm

re: #120 albusteve

yes, sadly

Again, don’t hang yourself out of spite over this.

355 windsagio  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:54:51pm

re: #343 albusteve

That’s not relevant tho’, they quit doing anything but cashing in decades ago.

I mean sure that’s their right, but when they also go about shutting down new artists, there are issues.

356 The Shadow Do  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:55:12pm

re: #333 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What’choo talkin’ about Willis!?

Poor, sad little man.

His health has been poor. In fact I understand that he died from a series of different strokes.

357 Racer X  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:55:19pm

re: #343 albusteve

no it isn’t, whatever that means…when the Stones want money, they tour and it rains down…funny that, bunch of old washed up rockers knock down $100m in a snap

That washed up rocker Rod Stewart was recently spotted on TV spouting “If you want my body, and you think I’m sexy… “

I almost puked.

Dude must be 80.

358 brookly red  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:55:34pm

re: #345 BryanS

Perhaps a tangent, but I think guys should have the option of just that when a women gets to choose whether to abort a pregnancy—the choice to “opt out” of a pregnancy that results in a kid he doesn’t want. Would save that man more than $65k, that’s for sure.

huh?

359 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:55:42pm

OT…
Go Celtics.

360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:56:02pm

re: #356 The Shadow Do

Reluctant ding.

361 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:56:07pm

re: #132 Bagua

Or beneath US waters please.

Can we still nuke the well-head in the Gulf if nothing else works?

362 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:56:30pm

re: #346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How much has Keith earned for “Hoo Hoo-ing” on “Sympathy for the Devil”?

a billion?….more?
those lyrics were so incendiary at the time, nobody dared put it on the radio….mainstream?….hahaha!

363 Racer X  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:56:40pm

re: #356 The Shadow Do

His health has been poor. In fact I understand that he died from a series of different strokes.

Oh shit that was bad. Really bad. But funny.

364 Gus  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:56:40pm

re: #357 Racer X

That washed up rocker Rod Stewart was recently spotted on TV spouting “If you want my body, and you think I’m sexy… “

I almost puked.

Dude must be 80.

Rod Stewart always looked 80.

I still think he was meant to be a bird.

//

365 dugmartsch  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:56:49pm

re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, he wasn’t, I don’t think, implying that they were developmentally challenged. He was implying that they were poorly educated. Which leads toward a whole different can of worms or two.

Yeah I wasn’t scrutinizing it terribly closely. Just the part where he said “what is she thirteen?” was struck me as a slap at her development for asking the question in a childish way. If she had been thirteen I could imagine the next sentence being something like “what is she retarded or something?” Even if she was 13 that’s still a child you’re talking about, even if they usually try to pretend they’re not.

366 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:57:16pm

re: #351 Renaissance_Man

This always used to bug me when I had to listen to 8 hours of conservative talk radio every day. Their grandstanding about how leftists could never argue with them because it was all emotion and ‘feelings’, and how they just withered when confronted with facts. Yeah, mate - if I had call screeners and the ability to cut callers off and then monologue for a bit I’d look like fucking Socrates too.

The fact that there are those who could confuse Rush with Socrates is a major part of the problem. I have often thought that the GOP was so virulently anti-education because if the people were more educated, they would have much less useful propaganda.

It would certainly make attempts to re-write history or destroy science more difficult, and it would also mean more people would laugh at Palin.

367 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:57:31pm

re: #348 brookly red

so then they are washed up because?

somebody on a blog says so…or implied it
means nothing

368 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:58:07pm

re: #357 Racer X

That washed up rocker Rod Stewart was recently spotted on TV spouting “If you want my body, and you think I’m sexy… “

I almost puked.

Dude must be 80.

and filthy rich

369 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:58:33pm

re: #344 LudwigVanQuixote

I guess it’s the same as saying I rather like some of Nickleback’s songs.

must…not…downding…resist…ermmph…arghhh…

370 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:58:53pm

re: #135 Ojoe

Art is not the same as beauty.

Art does not mean anymore “making” in the sense of useful, either.

The High Art world has wandered far down some minor and negative paths these past decades, IMHO.

I find it sad.

But it is of the age we live in.

We are no longer confident, boisterous and cheerful.

Like in the 1200s.

Oh well.


A little later in time, but still incredibly cheerful.

371 albusteve  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:59:34pm

re: #360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Reluctant ding.

oh please…I don’t even know who he is…people die every second, big whoop, and he’d probably get a laff out of it

372 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 28, 2010 3:59:48pm

re: #350 LudwigVanQuixote

It was maybe two weeks ago… SFZ, DF, ACE, anyone else who was there, do you remember the thread?

i don’t remember the name…wasn’t bunny something or other the troll, though?

373 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:00:52pm

re: #140 albusteve

NM is a quirkyn nutty state when it comes to the unusual amount of folk art and other types…people love to weld junk together, they will weld up steel car rims for a wall or barrier, but with artistic style…whatever

I was in the middle of nowhere when I drove up to an enormous pile of junk, maybe 25ft high…nobody or nothing but open land for miles in any direction, except for this lonely house a half mile off the road…curious, I stopped and grabbed my camera

walking around this huge pile of all sorts of leftovers I could not figure out wtf it was supposed to be, if anything, which is typical…then I stopped and lo and behold, from exactly where I was standing emerged a giant rearing stallion…unbelievable, if I moved just a few feet to one side or another the horse vanished, but from just that one little spot there was this magnificent, perfectly shaped and detailed horse…art for it’s own sake

Well, maybe. But anyone could do a Georgia O’keefe.

/

374 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:01:25pm

re: #372 Aceofwhat?

i don’t remember the name…wasn’t bunny something or other the troll, though?

Yeah it was bunny. But that was possum from the stalker blog.

375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:02:43pm

I’ve told the story here of how I lost a job when the boss used the “N” word here. Well, a guy friended me on Facebook who worked closely with the boss who fired me.

Here’s his post today…

Black House Used Bill Clinton to Try to Get Sestak Out of Pennsylvania Race. Do you really believe this story? Who would ever take a unpaid job on a board to drop out of a race..Another cover up, from the Nobama black House…

These assholes piss me off. Ain’t it a good enough story without the racist shit? I’m going to kick his ass on Facebook.

Wanna bet I’m about to get fired from his Facebook? I’m hopin’.

376 Gus  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:02:56pm

re: #372 Aceofwhat?

i don’t remember the name…wasn’t bunny something or other the troll, though?

That would be this thread.

Warning, that has 1435 comments.

377 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:04:43pm

Floral, Gus found it for you in his 376.

Gus, as always you are like the archivist and the finder of obscure things. Hat tip to you.

378 ~Fianna  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:06:22pm

re: #344 LudwigVanQuixote

So be it… I am not a fan. Like I said, those are my personal rules of thumb. I’m really not so pretentious as to tell someone that they can’t like something or to pretend that the perception of what makes art is utterly subjective. Of course it is all in the eye of the beholder. For me however, I am really just not a fan of things that don’t speak to me, and show rather little skill or technique.

That doesn’t mean it is all bad in the 20th or that everything has to be a Rembrandt. I adore many comics for instance, but a comic is a totally different sort of media with a totally different purpose. No one I hope would be pretentious enough to compare Sam Keith, however cool he is, to Rembrandt.

I guess it’s the same as saying I rather like some of Nickleback’s songs. I don not confuse them with Beethoven however.

You don’t like contemporary art, but you do like Nickleback?

*boggle*

379 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:06:43pm

re: #375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry. Extra “here” on the end of the first sentence.

380 Gus  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:06:44pm

re: #377 LudwigVanQuixote

Floral, Gus found it for you in his 376.

Gus, as always you are like the archivist and the finder of obscure things. Hat tip to you.

Thanks.

That’s me. Finder of obscure things. My home filing system involves a U-Hail box and randomly tossing in paperwork.

381 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:07:05pm

re: #378 ~Fianna

heh…#369…

382 Racer X  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:08:36pm

re: #380 Gus 802

Thanks.

That’s me. Finder of obscure things. My home filing system involves a U-Hail box and randomly tossing in paperwork.

Could you please find that box full of original 60’s concert posters I left in my old house?

383 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:12:07pm

re: #187 Ojoe

Brunelleschi’s dome. Try
This link ?

Starck’s juicer

384 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:14:00pm

re: #191 Ojoe

The product of a cheerful, boisterous, optimistic age.

Ours is anything but.

You have to know where to look

385 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:17:02pm

re: #221 albusteve

ho hum…
I consider this a work of art surpassing the Mona
Image: eiffel-tower03.jpg

Would you like a few apples with your oranges?

386 Bagua  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:21:57pm

re: #361 ryannon

Can we still nuke the well-head in the Gulf if nothing else works?

Nope. That couldn’t work in this case. The relief wells are likely the only practical solution.

387 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:24:17pm

re: #286 brookly red

fascist thugs?

Yes. Like Dylan: Everybody must get stoned.

388 ryannon  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:31:59pm

Ok, that’s all folks.

389 CuriousLurker  Fri, May 28, 2010 4:41:57pm

re: #376 Gus 802

That would be this thread.

Warning, that has 1435 comments.

OMG, you people are so very, very, naughty. I was already LOL as I read, then I got to the bunny bondage pic and that totally did me in. *wipes away tears, gasps for air, falls back onto floor…*

390 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 28, 2010 6:47:11pm

re: #350 LudwigVanQuixote

It was maybe two weeks ago… SFZ, DF, ACE, anyone else who was there, do you remember the thread?

It was just an overnight thread—maybe Thursday before last?

391 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 28, 2010 7:23:04pm

re: #378 ~Fianna

You don’t like contemporary art, but you do like Nickleback?

*boggle*

Nickleback has the distinction of penning one of the worst songs of the 21st century: en.wikipedia.org

392 [deleted]  Sat, May 29, 2010 11:47:01am
393 [deleted]  Sun, May 30, 2010 8:54:29pm
394 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 31, 2010 10:09:19pm

So you’re linking to Pamela Geller’s crazy bullshit now, huh? That’s really sad, man.


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