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First you wanna kill me, now you wanna kiss me. Blow.
— Ash, Army of Darkness
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Bagua Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:51:29pm |
7 active cams a mile beneath the surface. Thank you Obama.
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EdDantes Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:51:57pm |
re: #2 JasonA
It's like a Cordoba with rich Corinthian leather.
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Nimed Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:54:36pm |
Not the same movie, but:
Rob: Right, all right. But let's just say that I hadn't seen it and I said to you, "I haven't seen Evil Dead II yet", what would you think?
Barry: I'd think that you're a cinematic idiot and I'd feel sorry for you.
High Fidelity
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Four More Tears Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:54:43pm |
re: #5 EdDantes
Welcome, hatchling! Nice to see you've been through the past two days and haven't run off thinking we're hopelessly crazy people.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:55:46pm |
Whatever it was I was doing ended up taking all day.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:56:20pm |
re: #9 JasonA
Welcome, hatchling! Nice to see you've been through the past two days and haven't run off thinking we're hopelessly crazy people.
...you mean we're not?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:56:50pm |
re: #10 Charles
Whatever it was I was doing ended up taking all day.
Hope it was successful and productive
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Four More Tears Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:57:03pm |
re: #10 Charles
Whatever it was I was doing ended up taking all day.
Must have been really harsh if you don't remember what it was. :)
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EdDantes Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:57:11pm |
re: #9 JasonA
Welcome, hatchling! Nice to see you've been through the past two days and haven't run off thinking we're hopelessly crazy people.
You are hopelessly crazy people, yet I remain! Thank you for the welcome!
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Four More Tears Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:57:55pm |
re: #10 Charles
Bad craziness two threads back, by the way. Liberty conspiracy nut.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:59:26pm |
re: #16 JasonA
Bad craziness two threads back, by the way. Liberty conspiracy nut.
You mean the guy I blocked?
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Four More Tears Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:00:13am |
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:04:31am |
re: #17 Charles
You mean the guy I blocked?
Could you block JasonA too? His avatar is kinda offensive.
/
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Targetpractice Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:05:31am |
All kinds of anti-Israel loonies been crawling out from under their rocks since Monday. You got a conspiracy theory that involves Israel being evil incarnate, it's been mentioned as "proof" that Monday's events should be grounds for everything from cuttin' all US aid to Turkey declaring war on them.
Some bad craziness been let loose. And with the Corrie...er, SS Minnow on its way to challenge the blockade now, I think we're only going to see more hatred and madness in the days to come.
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EdDantes Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:06:11am |
re: #18 JasonA
Sorry I missed it. I like insanity. It makes the day worthwhile.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:06:57am |
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Gus Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:07:06am |
re: #18 JasonA
That would be the lunatic I'm talking about, yeah.
Only good thing was that I got to read more about the incident and listen to the some of the audio from the NSA. Didn't understand the audio since it was all spoken Hebrew but you can still feel the tension amongst the pilots.
Impossible to reason with those people though. For them it's a lifetime conviction with those conspiracies. There's a certain kind of personality that is drawn towards them and most of them will take those ideas to their grave.
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Four More Tears Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:08:59am |
re: #22 EdDantes
He might not have deleted them if you want to take a look. I don't find that stuff pleasant to deal with, but my rationale is that playing with him in an old thread means keeps him away from the others.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:09:01am |
re: #5 EdDantes
It's like a Cordoba with rich Corinthian leather.
Why do those Muslim guys in New York wanna name a Mosque after a Chrysler? And will it have leather seats?
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Gus Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:10:19am |
re: #17 Charles
You mean the guy I blocked?
If you're still here. You might have missed it but Ron Paul compared Gaza to "concentration camps" today on the Imus show. He also called Hamas a "legitimate government."
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:11:31am |
re: #24 Gus 802
It makes zero sense. It just fails to make any sense at all. It takes two conspiracy theories-- one for what Israel supposedly did, and one for why the hell they would supposedly do it.
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Four More Tears Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:11:43am |
re: #27 Gus 802
If you're still here. You might have missed it but Ron Paul compared Gaza to "concentration camps" today on the Imus show. He also called Hamas a "legitimate government."
Not suggesting anything here but Stormfront made that connection too. Really, no comparison at all.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:12:16am |
re: #26 ralphieboy
Why do those Muslim guys in New York wanna name a Mosque after a Chrysler? And will it have leather seats?
because Ricardo Montalban is going to be it's Imam!!
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EdDantes Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:12:47am |
re: #25 JasonA
I don't know what it was and I'm too new to get in the mix. So I'll just say he (she) absolutely deserved it.
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Gus Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:13:51am |
re: #28 Obdicut
It makes zero sense. It just fails to make any sense at all. It takes two conspiracy theories-- one for what Israel supposedly did, and one for why the hell they would supposedly do it.
Apparently they have several conspiracy theories for why they think they did it. When I saw that I knew we were dealing with one seriously screwed up group of people.
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EdDantes Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:16:25am |
re: #26 ralphieboy
Even the Muslims appreciate leather and they still yearn for Cordoba.
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Four More Tears Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:16:32am |
re: #32 Gus 802
One part I loved was when you or Ship brought some facts into it and he said "yeah, but that's no smoking gun."
Conspiracy nuts: you're the ones who need to find a smoking gun to prove your case.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:16:35am |
re: #30 sattv4u2
because Ricardo Montalban is going to be it's Imam!!
Great, now I can't get the image out of my head of Montalban being the famed "12th Imam."
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Four More Tears Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:18:27am |
re: #35 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Great, now I can't get the image out of my head of Montalban being the famed "12th Imam."
"From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."
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Altermite Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:18:38am |
re: #26 ralphieboy
Why do those Muslim guys in New York wanna name a Mosque after a Chrysler? And will it have leather seats?
I thought it was more like a muslim version of a YMCA or JCC than a mosque. Am I mistaken?
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EdDantes Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:20:12am |
re: #30 sattv4u2
because Ricardo Montalban is going to be it's Imam!!
The name "Ricardo Montalban" is so musical!
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Gus Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:20:30am |
re: #34 JasonA
One part I loved was when you or Ship brought some facts into it and he said "yeah, but that's no smoking gun."
Conspiracy nuts: you're the ones who need to find a smoking gun to prove your case.
I don't understand why it's so difficult for them to accept that mistakes like this are not uncommon. The Russians shot down that Korean airliner by accident. The USA shot down an Iranian airliner by accident. Then there was the accidental strafing of British troops in Iraq by an A-10. Those are just recent examples.
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Four More Tears Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:21:43am |
re: #39 Gus 802
My honest opinion? Because they want it to be true. Same goes for truthers, birthers, etc.
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Gus Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:22:52am |
re: #40 JasonA
My honest opinion? Because they want it to be true. Same goes for truthers, birthers, etc.
Right. They use it to bolster their bigotry or particular hatred.
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Four More Tears Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:24:10am |
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EdDantes Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:24:23am |
re: #39 Gus 802
I don't understand why it's so difficult for them to accept that mistakes like this are not uncommon. The Russians shot down that Korean airliner by accident. The USA shot down an Iranian airliner by accident. Then there was the accidental strafing of British troops in Iraq by an A-10. Those are just recent examples.
The Korean airliner was 007. Just say'n. No ideas what it means.
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Gus Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:25:51am |
re: #43 EdDantes
The Korean airliner was 007. Just say'n. No ideas what it means.
It was the next flight number after 006 and the one before 008.
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Four More Tears Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:29:03am |
This picture needs a caption.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
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EdDantes Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:29:55am |
re: #44 Gus 802
Indeed. As a young man I worked in baggage claim at San Jose airport. The first flight on my shift was 666.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:30:32am |
re: #37 Altermite
I thought it was more like a muslim version of a YMCA or JCC than a mosque. Am I mistaken?
Yes, it is more of a YMMA than a mosque as such. But the question remains about which bits of the furnishings are going to be covered in rich leather.
And will Herve Villechaize be calling the faithful to prayer from his mini-minarette?
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:31:45am |
re: #30 sattv4u2
because Ricardo Montalban is going to be it's Imam!!
Now, that sounds like a mosque I should be going to!
Speaking of mosques, this interfaith conference in Germany that I was talking about on the previous thread was completely hilarious. This is the event where I ended up studying the Koran over straight whiskey.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:31:48am |
re: #10 Charles
Fighting crime!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:32:12am |
re: #43 EdDantes
The Korean airliner was 007. Just say'n. No ideas what it means.
It means you clearly need a DB5
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Gus Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:32:18am |
re: #45 JasonA
This picture needs a caption.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Miami Gaza Vice
Say, what's that shiny big old brand new BMW doing in Gaza?
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:32:35am |
re: #35 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Great, now I can't get the image out of my head of Montalban being the famed "12th Imam."
You know, that would sort of...work...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:33:19am |
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:33:48am |
OK how many people here actually are old enough to have seen the "Real Corinthian Leather" commercial at least once on TV?
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:33:57am |
re: #37 Altermite
I thought it was more like a muslim version of a YMCA or JCC than a mosque. Am I mistaken?
I think it's a community center that will also have a mosque built in. Not uncommon--people come for prayers, stay for daycare and classes, and kids' sports and stuff.
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EdDantes Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:34:44am |
re: #50 WindUpBird
I'll take your word for it. I don't know what s DB5 is.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:34:48am |
re: #39 Gus 802
I don't understand why it's so difficult for them to accept that mistakes like this are not uncommon. The Russians shot down that Korean airliner by accident. The USA shot down an Iranian airliner by accident. Then there was the accidental strafing of British troops in Iraq by an A-10. Those are just recent examples.
Well, some people think there's no such thing as an accident. Others only think that if there's someone they don't like making the mistake.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:35:19am |
re: #46 EdDantes
Indeed. As a young man I worked in baggage claim at San Jose airport. The first flight on my shift was 666.
And people GOT ON THE PLANE?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:35:29am |
re: #56 EdDantes
I'll take your word for it. I don't know what s DB5 is.
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EdDantes Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:35:37am |
re: #54 windsagio
OK how many people here actually are old enough to have seen the "Real Corinthian Leather" commercial at least once on TV?
Moi!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:35:56am |
re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist
And people GOT ON THE PLANE?
Get on the plane? I'd be climbing over people to get on the plane!
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cliffster Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:36:13am |
re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist
And people GOT ON THE PLANE?
I wouldn't go on flight 666. I'm not superstitious, but fuck that.
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:36:18am |
re: #61 WindUpBird
Its the crossroads at midnight of the modern era!
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:36:39am |
re: #60 EdDantes
Just wondering because that reference will be dead soon sadly :(
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EdDantes Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:36:41am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:36:51am |
re: #62 cliffster
I wouldn't go on flight 666. I'm not superstitious, but fuck that.
aw COME ON! It'd be awesome! I want the captain to say "this is flight 666" with a straight face.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:38:28am |
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cliffster Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:38:35am |
re: #66 WindUpBird
aw COME ON! It'd be awesome! I want the captain to say "this is flight 666" with a straight face.
I've been on more than one flight where the captain said, essentially, "this is going to be an interesting landing". No straight faces on the plane.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:38:58am |
re: #68 cliffster
ohhhhhh man :(
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teleskiguy Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:39:59am |
The tank, the B-52, the fighter-bomber, the state-controlled police and military are the weapons of dictatorship. The rifle is the weapon of democracy. Not for nothing was the revolver called an "equalizer." Egalite implies liberte. And always will. Let us hope our weapons are never needed—but do not forget what the common people of this nation knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny.
-Edward Abbey
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:41:10am |
re: #70 teleskiguy
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:41:28am |
re: #54 windsagio
OK how many people here actually are old enough to have seen the "Real Corinthian Leather" commercial at least once on TV?
present
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Bagua Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:41:37am |
re: #7 JasonA
Did Obama pressure them to do this?
I read a comment to that effect but I'm not sure if it was accurate.
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:41:38am |
re: #62 cliffster
I wouldn't go on flight 666. I'm not superstitious, but fuck that.
This is approaching the "would you live in a house built on top of an abandoned cemetery" conversation.
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cliffster Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:42:16am |
re: #70 teleskiguy
The tank, the B-52, the fighter-bomber, the state-controlled police and military are the weapons of dictatorship. The rifle is the weapon of democracy. Not for nothing was the revolver called an "equalizer." Egalite implies liberte. And always will. Let us hope our weapons are never needed—but do not forget what the common people of this nation knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny.
-Edward Abbey
"I'm going to bed"
-- cliffster
night yall
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:42:20am |
re: #75 Nimed
This is approaching the "would you live in a house built on top of an abandoned cemetery" conversation.
YES!
They moved the headstones
but they didn't move the bodies
the ground's gone sour
sometimes dead is better
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:42:23am |
re: #75 Nimed
"They moved the headstones but not the bodies!"
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:42:44am |
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:42:54am |
re: #77 cliffster
You just totally made me spit out a mouthful of chips.
Whatever else has happened to night, that was freakin' brilliant.
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Gus Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:43:32am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:43:53am |
re: #82 Gus 802
Calls are coming from inside the house!
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Four More Tears Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:44:12am |
re: #51 Gus 802
MiamiGaza ViceSay, what's that shiny big old brand new BMW doing in Gaza?
I should be getting out of here. Stay frosty, lizards.
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EdDantes Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:44:17am |
re: #78 WindUpBird
"Life is a horrible thing" HP Lovecraft (pbuh).
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Four More Tears Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:44:34am |
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:44:35am |
re: #80 WindUpBird
I've known you too long man. Too long.
We're gonna end up like the guys from the Guild, 2 heads spliced together on one body, ruled by a man that's in love with a Shoe.
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teleskiguy Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:44:53am |
re: #71 WindUpBird
I have yet to become "Twitter-pated."
And BTW, I laughed when Bambi's mom was shot. What with being a hunter, watching my old man cut up deer and elk at the ripe old age of 6.
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:45:54am |
re: #88 teleskiguy
Oh, one of these guys!
"A gun is like a good woman, but better because she'll never let you down!"
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:46:24am |
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:46:29am |
re: #88 teleskiguy
you missed last thread, we spent like 5 hours talking about fetishes, you'da fit right in.
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EdDantes Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:47:40am |
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teleskiguy Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:47:41am |
re: #91 Bagua
Why do you hate Bambi's mom?
I love Bambi's mom. She's delicious and makes for a nice ornament on the living room wall. :-P
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:49:02am |
And on that disgusting note, I'm going to sleep.
Good night, all.
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:49:26am |
re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist
Nite lady! Don't let the bastards grind ya down :D
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Bagua Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:49:57am |
re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist
And on that disgusting note, I'm going to sleep.
Good night, all.
Sounds like you were having more fun than the rest of us.
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:51:44am |
re: #79 windsagio
"They moved the headstones but not the bodies!"
You jest and makes references, but plenty of atheists would never live in such a house because they would have a problem with corpses 7 feet below Lawn Level.
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:52:21am |
re: #98 Nimed
Hah, I think that goes beyond personal religion :D
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:53:18am |
re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist
Now, what you need in the grave is an internet connection.
Beau-ti-ful...
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Gus Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:53:51am |
re: #98 Nimed
You jest and makes references, but plenty of atheists would never live in such a house because they would have a problem with corpses 7 feet below Lawn Level.
Yeah. It would just be weird. I mean, you wouldn't want to move into house built atop a burial ground of moose either.
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EdDantes Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:57:30am |
re: #86 JasonA
Why are there no more anthologies like Alfred Hitchcock and the Twilight Zone? Has our attention span and imagination dwindled to the point where we can't appreciate drama and suspense anymore? Or are there no more writers and producers who can persuade those in power who decide what we see. I don't know.
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Bagua Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:57:58am |
re: #94 teleskiguy
I love Bambi's mom. She's delicious and makes for a nice ornament on the living room wall. :-P
I've been a hunter all my life, but I never actually killed anything except fish. I'm too fond of animals. But I love traipsing through the woods with firearms and shooting.
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EdDantes Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:59:12am |
re: #103 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Dead by dawn! Dead by dawn!
Oy. I have an appointment tomorrow.
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teleskiguy Fri, Jun 4, 2010 12:59:54am |
This is my first comment on LGF concerning Israel.
This whole "flotilla incident" has really enlightened me on the subject of Israel. I've always know LGF to be staunchly pro-Israel, I just couldn't put my finger on the how and why of things. But looking at the stories, video, and comments by veteran lizards, it all makes perfect sense. I know Israel is hated by its Arab neighbors, but the extent of the hatred is absolutely appalling, as evidenced by school curriculum in Gaza, the speeches of "I'm-a-dinner-jacket," and the "democratically" elected Hamas firing rockets into Israel. Israel is in the right, they can (and hopefully will) do whatever it takes to protect itself, and all those who disagree be damned!
Thank you Charles and all the O.G. Lizards for the truth.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:00:21am |
re: #103 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Dead by dawn! Dead by dawn!
I don't think the new Health Care Plan will be THAT bad!
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:01:43am |
re: #101 Gus 802
Yeah. It would just be weird. I mean, you wouldn't want to move into house built atop a burial ground of moose either.
You just coudn't resist playing the moose card... :)
There is some creep factor in it, for sure. But how much does/should it count? I don't have a source for this, but I've heard that houses near cemeteries are typically well below market price.
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:02:42am |
re: #110 Nimed
It sounds right anyways.
Also in my limited experience, cemetaries (unless way out there) tend to attract teens as good places to drink and be rebellious.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:04:21am |
re: #108 windsagio
Dude, you're on tonight, what the hell?!
New underwear
((well,,, new to me, that is!!))
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Gus Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:05:45am |
re: #110 Nimed
You just coudn't resist playing the moose card... :)
There is some creep factor in it, for sure. But how much does/should it count? I don't have a source for this, but I've heard that houses near cemeteries are typically well below market price.
If I ever open up a diner. First thing I'm gonna do is put up a sign that reads, "No Moose." //Dnar Luap.
Depends on the age of the graves. It would obviously be pre-embalming days so most of the remains would be well decayed.
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teleskiguy Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:06:10am |
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Gus Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:06:46am |
Hulu has some good movies but damn, they sure have a lot of crappy ones.
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:07:36am |
re: #116 Gus 802
In which they reflect reality!
damn its kinda slow now. I think I'll avail myself of my sleeping aids and then see how long I can hold out. Will at least make things more interesting!
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:07:45am |
re: #114 Gus 802
If I ever open up a diner. First thing I'm gonna do is put up a sign that reads, "No Moose." //Dnar Luap.
Depends on the age of the graves. It would obviously be pre-embalming days so most of the remains would be well decayed.
Friend of mine ran the restaurant side of a neighborhood pub
Special on Fridays was "Donkey Stew"
Sign outside the door advertised it as
"Friday Night is Donkey Stew Night,,,,,,Everybody Gets A Piece of Ass"
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teleskiguy Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:08:41am |
re: #116 Gus 802
Hulu has some good movies but damn, they sure have a lot of crappy ones.
The last movie I watched on Hulu was Michael Moore Hates America. I liked that movie, especially the interview with the soldier who lost his arms in the war.
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Gus Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:09:10am |
re: #117 windsagio
In which they reflect reality!
damn its kinda slow now. I think I'll avail myself of my sleeping aids and then see how long I can hold out. Will at least make things more interesting!
Yeah. I remember spending way too much time in Blockbuster thinking the same thing.
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Gus Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:10:21am |
re: #119 teleskiguy
The last movie I watched on Hulu was Michael Moore Hates America. I liked that movie, especially the interview with the soldier who lost his arms in the war.
I watched "Lord of War" with Nicholas Cage last night. It was pretty good.
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:11:07am |
re: #119 teleskiguy
I'm having a hard time believing you're a real person, and not some kind of bizarre gestalt.
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Gus Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:13:18am |
Tried watching "Farewell to the King" with Nick Nolte. Couldn't handle it.
"Me Nick Nolte. Me actor, think deep, long and hard. Me have long hair and look like 80s rock singer in movie taking place in the 1940s. Me look act and sound dumb." Mongo like candy.
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teleskiguy Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:14:46am |
re: #122 windsagio
I'm having a hard time believing you're a real person, and not some kind of bizarre gestalt.
Being as young as I am, I had to look up "gestalt." I don't know whether to be flattered or frightened. :D
The sum, I suppose, is greater than the parts.
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EdDantes Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:15:48am |
re: #118 sattv4u2
Micky Mantle had a chicken restaurant. His slogan (not used) was "too get a better piece of chicken, you have to be a rooster".
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:16:26am |
re: #124 teleskiguy
you'll have to bear with me, the meds are kicking in, so I'm a bit goofy.
But in my head I'm thinking 'is he playing some kind of parody on the stereotypical freeper?'
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Gus Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:16:54am |
Best move on cue at Hulu right now: Birdman of Alcatraz Already saw it not too long ago.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:18:35am |
re: #126 windsagio
you'll have to bear with me
, the meds are kicking in, soI'm a bit goofy.But in my head I'm thinking 'is he playing some kind of parody on the stereotypical freeper?'
sorry ,, that one was too easy!!
//
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:19:44am |
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teleskiguy Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:19:44am |
OK, here's a song, fits the whole "Overnight" mood.
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Gus Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:20:30am |
re: #117 windsagio
In which they reflect reality!
damn its kinda slow now. I think I'll avail myself of my sleeping aids and then see how long I can hold out. Will at least make things more interesting!
Fill up your tub with water. Drop in one sleeping pill and let it dissolve. Then empty the tub and fill it up again and take a bath in it. The water will contain the memory of the sleeping pill you first dissolved.
//
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teleskiguy Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:21:15am |
re: #131 windsagio
I remember you (or someone like you) posting this as a comment a while back. I showed my mother, she plays with it every night bfore she goes to bed. Very cool, indeed!
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:21:47am |
re: #135 teleskiguy
It was totally me!
When I'm high or messed up I tend to post the same things over and over :D
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:21:49am |
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Targetpractice Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:22:53am |
re: #121 Gus 802
I watched "Lord of War" with Nicholas Cage last night. It was pretty good.
Damn good movie. The intro sequence along is amazing, but the movie as a whole is great.
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:23:44am |
re: #134 windsagio
Missed this in the overall confusion. Great music.
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Gus Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:23:51am |
re: #139 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Damn good movie. The intro sequence along is amazing, but the movie as a whole is great.
[Video]
Yeah, it has some elements of gun porn in the opening sequence.
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:25:27am |
re: #138 windsagio
I like it when you're like this!
Be warned, sattv4u2 sometimes turns into an asshole. It's a rare variation of lycanthropy.
/
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:26:14am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:28:42am |
re: #138 windsagio
I like it when you're like this!
I'm ALWAYS "like this"
Problem is, imho, you and your buddy have a knee jerk 'there's so and so,,, (s)he's a righty,, must debate and snark"
A little advice from someone thats been around a long time
A), you're not always the smartest one in the room
B) when you ARE the smartest one in the room, others don't want/ need to be told you are
C) breath,,,, read, then read again, then breath again , THEN post!
((take the above with as many grains of salt as you see fit))
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:29:27am |
re: #146 sattv4u2
man, the smartest one in the room is usulaly Obdicut or Ludwig.
So I'm third at best :D
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:29:39am |
re: #139 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Damn good movie. The intro sequence along is amazing, but the movie as a whole is great.
[Video]
LOL. Ok, this has got to be one of the best choices ever for an intro music.
Good intros can set you up for a disappointment. Have you seen Watchmen? The films was pretty decent, but it sucked compared to the intro.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:29:49am |
re: #142 Nimed
Be warned, sattv4u2 sometimes turns into an asshole. It's a rare variation of lycanthropy.
/
only SOMETIMES!?!?!
NOTE TO SELF
Be like AVIS ,, try harder!
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:30:52am |
re: #147 windsagio
man, the smartest one in the room is usulaly Obdicut or Ludwig.
So I'm third at best :D
Actually, it would be helpful to them if they followed the same prescription
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:31:44am |
re: #146 sattv4u2
A little advice from someone thats been around a long time
A), you're not always the smartest one in the room
Ok, you lost me.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:32:21am |
re: #150 sattv4u2
Actually, it would be helpful to them if they followed the same
prescription
PER
PIMF ,,, (been awake for 21 hours,, the last 7 1/2 at work)((and just 5 1/2 left to go ,, WHOOOPPEEE
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Targetpractice Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:32:51am |
re: #148 Nimed
LOL. Ok, this has got to be one of the best choices ever for an intro music.
Good intros can set you up for a disappointment. Have you seen Watchmen? The films was pretty decent, but it sucked compared to the intro.
Yeah, but that's the same problem as seeing movie trailers that are composed of either A) the best parts of the movie or B) scenes that ended up on the cutting room floor.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:32:52am |
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:33:42am |
re: #150 sattv4u2
No see the problem is they actually are smarter!
See thats my whole schtick. I don't pretend to be the smartest, but I do believe I'm substantially less invested in some of the important subjects that come up, and more importantly I don't have a particularly high investment in being popular/accepted on the blog.
That doesn't mean one should go around being self-destructive, but on the other hand. I know alot of people heavily self-censor becasue they don't wanna be unpopular or cross popular posters.
/me me me me me MEEEEE!
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teleskiguy Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:35:02am |
A'ight Lizards, keep it reel, biggup yourselves, and treat your Julie right!
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Targetpractice Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:36:30am |
Alright folks, my cat's giving me that look that says "Why aren't you asleep?!," so I'm headin' off for a couple hours of shut eye. Back later.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:41:08am |
re: #155 windsagio
No see the problem is they actually are smarter!
No,, they really aren't
Do they have some extra knowledge and/or expertise in "A" subject or two? Yes, of course, but so do we all. But because you are in agreement with them on most issues combined with their 'expertise" on a few they seem smarter. You're sitting there saying
"wow,,,he's right about that ,, and that too ,,, and I didn't know that about this ,, "
But whatever YOUR area of expertise is, they can't compare
Now ,,,looking at it from my side of the fence, Lud for instance is smart in the science of AGW, but because I disagree with him on many other issues, ON those issues I don't think he's "smart" at all!
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:43:47am |
re: #157 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Alright folks, my cat's giving me that look that says "Why aren't you asleep?!," so I'm headin' off for a couple hours of shut eye. Back later.
he just wants you to go to sleep so he can fuck with your stuff without you watching!
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:48:00am |
re: #155 windsagio
I know alot of people heavily self-censor becasue they don't wanna be unpopular or cross popular posters.
Hey, since we're going meta...
I have no problem crossing any particular popular poster. There are some message boards where this happens, but here you can challenge pretty much everybody (sure, you may take a couple of downdings, but who really cares about that?).
My problem is more when nearly everybody strongly agrees and is very emotional about one particular topic. Israel is one example, and I suppose climate change would be another. In those cases, it's gets really difficult to reply to everybody without committing 2-3 hours of your time in advance.
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EdDantes Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:51:38am |
I just got a call from my cousin in Oklahoma. My Mom had a stroke. Don't know what to do.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:51:46am |
re: #161 Nimed
I have no problem crossing any particular popular poster
I agree totally
Hell. I've even had my jousts with Charles.
In fact, one of those produced the highest number of Updings I ever received on one post, iirc
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:52:57am |
re: #162 EdDantes
I just got a call from my cousin in Oklahoma. My Mom had a stroke. Don't know what to do.
So sorry
Where are you?
What family is nearby her? Have that person give you updates every couple of hours
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dell*nix Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:54:35am |
re: #162 EdDantes
Sorry to hear that. Find out how bad it was and how she is doing. Some strokes are mild and have little effect. Others may be more serious. And it takes some time to diagnose the effects and how long they will last.
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EdDantes Fri, Jun 4, 2010 1:57:32am |
re: #164 sattv4u2
I'm in California.There is family in Oklahoma. Waiting for more info. thanks.
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 2:06:33am |
re: #158 sattv4u2
As you've certainly noticed, I'm less about who has the most information, more about who has I think has the clearest thinking patterns.
The problem iwth arguing information is that when people usually have different sources they trust it quickly decayse down to madness.
MOTIVES on the other hand, mihgt piss people off, but it has a tiny bit larger chance of effecting people.
Yeah still tiny I Know.
re: #161 Nimed
Lol that's a different, but hard problem. I just do stuff that can be windowed if I know I'm gonna be puttin in some serious LGF time.
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 2:07:25am |
re: #169 windsagio
and... yeah, my tyiping is going to hell, so I think that means its time to go to bed!
Its really fun if you take your sleepin' pill and it's been a hwile since you need one.
I feel fuuuuuunnnny! its great!
Peace tho'!
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windsagio Fri, Jun 4, 2010 2:09:12am |
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EdDantes Fri, Jun 4, 2010 2:28:17am |
Mom is talking! thank you for you concern. I hope to be back tomorrow!
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Jun 4, 2010 3:26:32am |
No comments for 55 minutes? Fuck. I hate trying to carry the load. BTW, thunder is booming here. Holy crap Batman.
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ryannon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 3:30:53am |
re: #88 teleskiguy
I have yet to become "Twitter-pated."
And BTW, I laughed when Bambi's mom was shot. What with being a hunter, watching my old man cut up deer and elk at the ripe old age of 6.
Did you ever rip the wings off flies when you were a kid?
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ryannon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 3:31:33am |
re: #89 windsagio
Oh, one of these guys!
"A gun is like a good woman, but better because she'll never let you down!"
Except when you don't know how to use it and the other guy shoves it up your ass.
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ryannon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 3:36:30am |
re: #122 windsagio
I'm having a hard time believing you're a real person, and not some kind of bizarre gestalt.
Do gestalts come in argyle patterns?
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ryannon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 3:38:01am |
re: #133 Gus 802
Fill up your tub with water. Drop in one sleeping pill and let it dissolve. Then empty the tub and fill it up again and take a bath in it. The water will contain the memory of the sleeping pill you first dissolved.
//
You forgot, "drink the contents of the bathtub."
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Jun 4, 2010 3:39:27am |
If I were me I would have fired me from my job after the last couple days. After sitting down with the owner, he said he needed me as much as I need him. Pretty fucking cool.
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ryannon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 3:44:12am |
re: #162 EdDantes
I just got a call from my cousin in Oklahoma. My Mom had a stroke. Don't know what to do.
There's not a hell of a lot you can do.
Pray, if you're of that persuasion. Otherwise, think of her with all the love she deserves.
My hopes that she pulls through.
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ryannon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 3:47:28am |
re: #178 Cannadian Club Akbar
If I were me I would have fired me from my job after the last couple days. After sitting down with the owner, he said he needed me as much as I need him. Pretty fucking cool.
It's called co-dependency. Can be treated by support groups, 12-Step programs and even talk therapy.
/
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ryannon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 3:48:33am |
Fuck this. Electronic crickets
G'night/G'morning Wingnuts.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Jun 4, 2010 3:48:44am |
re: #180 ryannon
It's called co-dependency. Can be treated by support groups, 12-Step programs and even talk therapy.
/
12 steps? I'll do like 5 or so.
/
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 3:50:40am |
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 3:52:23am |
re: #178 Cannadian Club Akbar
If I were me I would have fired me from my job after the last couple days. After sitting down with the owner, he said he needed me as much as I need him. Pretty fucking cool.
Alright!
(he thinks you need him, right?)
/
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ryannon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 3:52:25am |
re: #182 Cannadian Club Akbar
12 steps? I'll do like 5 or so.
/
You can share: six for you, six for your boss. Be sure to participate in the same program together for maximum efficiency.
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ryannon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 3:55:21am |
First you wanna kill me, now you wanna kiss me. Blow.
— Ash, Army of Darkness
Sounds like some of my first dates. And my last ones too.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:02:13am |
re: #186 ryannon
First you wanna kill me, now you wanna kiss me. Blow.
— Ash, Army of Darkness
Sounds like some of my first dates. And my last ones too.
If I get laid on a first date, good for me. But there is no second date. Hmm.
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ryannon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:08:48am |
re: #187 Cannadian Club Akbar
If I get laid on a first date, good for me. But there is no second date. Hmm.
I've found there's no general rule. Depends on what happens in bed, and whether you both want to do it again. But you're right, you often have sex on the first date, and that's it. We often forget that women get curious too. Once their curiosity is satisfied, they move on.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:25:43am |
re: #70 teleskiguy
The tank, the B-52, the fighter-bomber, the state-controlled police and military are the weapons of dictatorship. The rifle is the weapon of democracy. Not for nothing was the revolver called an "equalizer." Egalite implies liberte. And always will. Let us hope our weapons are never needed—but do not forget what the common people of this nation knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny.
-Edward Abbey
Those militias running around in Darfur and Somalia and any number of other trouble spots around the world are armed with nothing more than automatic weapons and the occasional RPG, but I do not see them as any sort of defense against tyranny, but rather a tyranny of their own.
The notion of an armed citizens militia defending our basic freedoms has a romantic appeal to a lot of Americans, probably because we have never seen one degenerate into an armed rabble.
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Varek Raith Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:26:03am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:26:55am |
re: #187 Cannadian Club Akbar
If I get laid on a first date, good for me. But there is no second date. Hmm.
Do you still continue to confuse sex and romance? They sometimes overlap, but is more a matter of chance coincidence.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:27:34am |
re: #191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Lakers. Meh.
Could be the best thing that happened to the Celtics. they were out hustled/ out muscled last night. When they watch the tapes they should come back embarrassed/ pissed
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Varek Raith Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:27:45am |
re: #192 ralphieboy
Those militias running around in Darfur and Somalia and any number of other trouble spots around the world are armed with nothing more than automatic weapons and the occasional RPG, but I do not see them as any sort of defense against tyranny, but rather a tyranny of their own.
The notion of an armed citizens militia defending our basic freedoms has a romantic appeal to a lot of Americans, probably because we have never seen one degenerate into an armed rabble.
Hey, a B-2!
Hold mah beer while I take em out with my bolt-action I call "Betty".
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:29:28am |
re: #191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
re: #195 sattv4u2
Could be the best thing that happened to the Celtics. they were out hustled/ out muscled last night. When they watch the tapes they should come back embarrassed/ pissed
OTOH, it could give the Lakers supreme confidence that they CAN out hustle/ out muscle the C's
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:31:24am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:32:51am |
re: #199 sattv4u2
wouldn't that be LizardiUM!?!?
No. I'm saying hello to the world of lizards, collectively referred to as Lizardia.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:33:16am |
re: #201 thedopefishlives
No. I'm saying hello to the world of lizards, collectively referred to as Lizardia.
UM.... okay
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Varek Raith Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:33:47am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:35:44am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:36:25am |
re: #203 Varek Raith
Sounds to me like a civil war is in order!
combatants show up in tuxedos?
bow to each other before the slap fight starts?
say 'thank you' when your opponent kicks you in the ass?
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:37:09am |
re: #82 Gus 802
There's a phone line leading to one of the graves.
That one really gave me nightmares as a kid...
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:37:48am |
re: #203 Varek Raith
Sounds to me like a civil war is in order!
I think he means more of a "War-Between-The States" kinda Civil War...
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:41:29am |
Anyone remember this kid? The story is a couple years old:
Well, he got into it with another cop this weekend for the 3rd time:
Missouri Cops Harass Video Vigilante A Third Time
St. Louis County, Missouri police detain and search innocent motorist for a third time.
[Link: www.thenewspaper.com...]
Darrow was with his girlfriend that evening when he came upon a drunk driving (DUI) roadblock. Because he was not in his Maxima, Darrow's only recording tool was his cell phone which captured 50 seconds worth of the interaction with Officer Kevin Lane before the phone was seized and Darrow ordered out of his car. Darrow complied, locking the door while his girlfriend waited in the passenger seat. Officer Lane then took the keys out of Darrow's pocket, entered the car without permission, and proceeded to move it down the street.With the phone turned off and no longer recording, Darrow says Officer Lane began yelling at him in a profanity-laced style "very similar to Sergeant Kuehnlein's rant from the St. George video." Sergeant David Stuckmeyer, supervisor for the highway safety unit, intervened. He recognized Darrow.
This kid is going to have to walk around with a camera on him at all times or they'll get him for anything they can trump up.
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:42:13am |
re: #207 ralphieboy
I think he means more of a "War-Between-The States" kinda Civil War...
Hoosiers are getting tired of the way people from Illinois keep looking at us. It's only a matter of time before we have to kick their asses.
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Varek Raith Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:44:08am |
re: #209 RogueOne
Hoosiers are getting tired of the way people from Illinois keep looking at us. It's only a matter of time before we have to kick their asses.
AND THOSE DAMN RHODE ISLANDERS!
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:46:22am |
re: #209 RogueOne
Hoosiers are getting tired of the way people from Illinois keep looking at us. It's only a matter of time before we have to kick their asses.
If Illinois wins they get to spend 2 nights in Indianapolis
If they lose, they have to spend 4 nights!
/
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:46:55am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:47:29am |
re: #209 RogueOne
Hoosiers are getting tired of the way people from Illinois keep looking at us. It's only a matter of time before we have to kick their asses.
52nd Avenue, the border between predominantly black Gary, Indiana and the (then) predominantly white suburb of Merrillville used to be referrred to as the "Mason-Dixon Line".
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:50:41am |
Who is connected to the Free Gaza Movement?
[Link: www.freegaza.org...]
[Link: www.freegaza.org...]
[Link: www.freegaza.org...]
[Link: www.freegaza.org...]
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:50:43am |
re: #214 ralphieboy
52nd Avenue, the border between predominantly black Gary, Indiana and the (then) predominantly white suburb of Merrillville used to be referrred to as the "Mason-Dixon Line".
both places are complete holes. Indiana would be willing to give them to Illinois in a trade for southern IL, everything east of E. St. Louis. They can keep that town.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:52:30am |
re: #214 ralphieboy
I saw Alice Cooper in Merrillville.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:52:48am |
re: #216 RogueOne
both places are complete holes. Indiana would be willing to give them to Illinois in a trade for southern IL, everything east of E. St. Louis. They can keep that town.
I used to live in that general area of the state. "Complete hole" is a pretty apt description. It's mostly immigrants from Chicago by now; I'd be willing to just give it to them straight up.
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:53:26am |
re: #217 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've seen him almost 20 times. Might be the most fun stage show ever.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:53:38am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:53:59am |
re: #216 RogueOne
both places are complete holes. Indiana would be willing to give them to Illinois in a trade for southern IL, everything east of E. St. Louis. They can keep that town.
Gary is more the extreme south side of Chicago than it is anything to do with Indiana.
And it had its own little mob structure starting in the 20's. the Chicago mob would not touch Gary because that would involve crossing state lines and bringing the Feds down on their heads.
The tradition continued: it had the highest murder rate in the USA for several years running.
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Jadespring Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:54:11am |
Morning all.
Great day in store here. I'm going to spend the morning gathering 'stuff' I want to get rid of, readying it for the roadside tonight. Tomorrow is county wide 'swap' day where people put stuff on the curb and other people spend the morning driving around going through the stuff. This year since I'm going to the big city for the weekend I won't be driving around in the morning. Part of me 'urks' at missing free stuff day but I think it's for the best. :D
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:54:31am |
re: #212 sattv4u2
If Illinois wins they get to spend 2 nights in Indianapolis
If they lose, they have to spend 4 nights!
/
Hahaha...that joke was old when the Dead Sea was sick.
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Varek Raith Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:55:14am |
re: #223 RogueOne
He's the daytime greeter, Elvis holds down the night shift.
...
I have some bad news to tell you about Elvis...
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:55:36am |
Media Matters compares the tersymps to Martin Luther King and the IDF soldiers to car-jackers.
Except they do.
The first thing you need to know about the Gaza flotilla disaster is that the intention of the activists on board the ships was to break the Israeli blockade. Delivering the embargoed goods was incidental.
SNIP
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:55:51am |
re: #224 Spare O'Lake
Hahaha...that joke was old when the Dead Sea was sick.
well ,, I WAS a waiter at the Last Supper
(terrible tippers, btw , I mean, what the hell am I going to do with Myrrh??)
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:56:08am |
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:57:50am |
re: #221 ralphieboy
They've managed to tax just about every business out of existence and have yet to learn from their mistakes. The state unemployment rate would plummet and our High School test scores would soar if we could find a way to sucker Chicago into taking it.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 4, 2010 4:59:43am |
re: #226 Varek Raith
...
I have some bad news to tell you about Elvis...
Elvis? He ain't dead, he just went home.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:00:14am |
re: #228 sattv4u2
well ,, I WAS a waiter at the Last Supper
(terrible tippers, btw , I mean, what the hell am I going to do with Myrrh??)
And they ordered water instead of wine!
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:00:36am |
re: #228 sattv4u2
well ,, I WAS a waiter at the Last Supper
(terrible tippers, btw , I mean, what the hell am I going to do with Myrrh??)
Oy vay, I thought Jews were big tippers.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:00:42am |
I have a public service announcement...
McDonald's pulls cadmium-tainted 'Shrek' glasses
LOS ANGELES — Cadmium has been discovered in the painted design on "Shrek"-themed drinking glasses being sold nationwide at McDonald's, forcing the burger giant to recall 12 million of the cheap U.S.-made collectibles while dramatically expanding contamination concerns about the toxic metal beyond imported children's jewelry.
The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, which announced the voluntary recall early Friday, warned consumers to immediately stop using the glasses; McDonald's said it would post instructions on its website next week regarding refunds.
The 16-ounce glasses, being sold for about $2 each as part of a promotional campaign for the movie "Shrek Forever After," were available in four designs depicting the characters Shrek, Princess Fiona, Puss in Boots and Donkey.
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Varek Raith Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:01:06am |
re: #232 thedopefishlives
Elvis? He ain't dead, he just went home.
K is back! The light keeper! All hail K! All hail K! Oh K can you see by the dawn's early light...
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:01:45am |
re: #234 Spare O'Lake
Oy vay, I thought Jews were big tippers.
No ,,, big TRIPPERS
They liked to stick their feet out as I walked by with a full tray!
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:02:24am |
re: #227 MandyManners
Media Matters compares the tersymps to Martin Luther King and the IDF soldiers to car-jackers.
This is posted at Media Matters? I'm shocked!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:03:32am |
re: #236 Varek Raith
K is back! The light keeper! All hail K! All hail K! Oh K can you see by the dawn's early light...
I'm not a huge fan of Tommy Lee Jones, but I have to admit, he owned that role.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:04:34am |
Clinton Supports UN Condemnation of Israel:
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:05:29am |
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:05:36am |
re: #237 sattv4u2
No ,,, big TRIPPERS
They liked to stick their feet out as I walked by with a full tray!
Did anyone ask you what that fly was doing in their matzoball soup?
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:05:52am |
re: #240 Joo-LiZ
Clinton Supports UN Condemnation of Israel:
[Video]
Leftover resentment towards Monica !?!?!
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:05:54am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:06:12am |
re: #242 Spare O'Lake
Did anyone ask you what that fly was doing in their matzoball soup?
when I looked, it was the backstroke
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:07:42am |
re: #233 Mad Al-Jaffee
And they ordered water instead of wine!
That a Kathy Laddmann joke?
As Mary:
"Ach! The Wisemans? The Wisemans are coming over? They always bring such terrible gifts! You'd think they'd've brought a cradle!
Of course I'm grouchy! I haven't had sex.... ever!"
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:07:54am |
There is a pattern. President "Let No Crisis Be Wasted" Obama twists events to justify his radical agenda. A financial crisis becomes the excuse for a massive health care entitlement. An oil spill is exploited to push an unpopular energy tax. And a jihadist publicity stunt — the Gaza flotilla — becomes the occasion to throw Israel to the wolves.
One mentions Ayers and Dohrn not to dwell on the past but because — hello! — the pair has been involved with the Free Gaza movement, one of the organizers of the so-called "Freedom Flotilla." Venezuela's Hugo Chavez has announced that he, too, would like to participate in the next running of the blockade — and why not? Obama has blessed the project with success.
By 1) declaring through Secretary of State Clinton that the blockade of Gaza is "unsustainable and unacceptable"; 2) joining the United Nations Security Council in "condemn(ing) those acts which resulted in the loss of at least 10 civilians and many wounded"; and 3) having a White House official tell the Washington Post that there is now a "general sense in the administration that it's time to change our Gaza policy," the Obama administration has handed the terrorists a victory.
SNIP
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:08:41am |
Two very detailed accounts of the incident, by the Israeli soldiers involved.
For those who don't think Israeli soldiers are murderous villains, hopefully these testimonies will clear some things up.
The operation on the Mavi Marmara began at about 4:30 A.M. on Monday. Because of the presence of hard-core activists including members of the IHH, the Turkish group organizing the aid convoy, most attention went to that ship. Navy chief Eliezer Merom and the head of the naval commandos, Lt. Col. A., were on vessels next to the ship. Lt. Col. A. climbed on the Mavi Marmara during the takeover.As seen on a video documenting the takeover, the first four commandos to rappel onto the deck were attacked by activists with bars, axes and knives. The fourth commando, K., saw his team leader on the deck, with a Turkish activist holding the pistol he had grabbed from him and pointing it to his head. K. jumped from the rope and managed to shoot the activist holding the gun. This happened 20 seconds after the first soldier landed on the deck.
The 15th and last naval commando from Flotilla 13 (the Shayetet) to rappel down onto the ship from the helicopter, S. said on Thursday that he was immediately attacked by what the IDF has called “the mob of mercenaries” aboard the vessel, just like the soldiers who had boarded just before him.Looking to his side, he saw three of his commanders lying wounded – one with a gunshot wound to the stomach and another with a gunshot wound to the knee. A third was lying unconscious; his skull was fractured by a devastating blow with a metal bar.
As the next in the chain of command, S., who has been in the Shayetet for three and a half years, immediately took charge.
He pushed the wounded soldiers up against the wall of the upper deck and created a perimeter of soldiers around them to begin treating their wounds, he said. He then arranged his men to form a second perimeter, and pulled out his 9 mm. Glock pistol to stave off the charging attackers and to protect his wounded comrades.
You can actually see this part of the attack quite clearly in the videos that were posted.
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Taqyia2Me Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:09:25am |
re: #238 NJDhockeyfan
MediaMatters a trusted news source?
Not so much...
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:12:14am |
From DU.
It's those Zionist hair rays.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:13:17am |
re: #251 MandyManners
Do they really think adding high-profile people and journalists is going to stop Israel from protecting itself against illegal weapons shipments?
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:13:57am |
re: #252 thedopefishlives
Do they really think adding high-profile people and journalists is going to stop Israel from protecting itself against illegal weapons shipments?
Sadly, yes.
That's been their whole tactic all along.
Israel needs to keep an eye out for these IHH mercenaries.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:14:02am |
re: #240 Joo-LiZ
Clinton Supports UN Condemnation of Israel:
[Video]
Grrr...that just pissed me right off.
The Obama sellout of Israel continues...oh wait...I forgot...there is no change in this administration's policy...NOT!
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:14:48am |
re: #252 thedopefishlives
Do they really think adding high-profile people and journalists is going to stop Israel from protecting itself against illegal weapons shipments?
Yes.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:15:36am |
re: #230 RogueOne
They've managed to tax just about every business out of existence and have yet to learn from their mistakes. The state unemployment rate would plummet and our High School test scores would soar if we could find a way to sucker Chicago into taking it.
It isn't just a matter of taxes, it is life threatening to run a business in Gary, and if you don't get robbed at gunpoint during opening hours, you get broken into at night.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:25:19am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:28:54am |
re: #256 ralphieboy
It isn't just a matter of taxes, it is life threatening to run a business in Gary, and if you don't get robbed at gunpoint during opening hours, you get broken into at night.
My mom had a doctor's appointment in Gary one time. Dad was out of town on a business trip, so she scheduled it for a time when I was home from school so I could go with her because there was absolutely no way she was going into Gary by herself.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:31:46am |
It will be interesting to see how Obama's apparent weakening of America's steadfast support for Israel's right to defend itself is received by Congress and by the Dem base.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:33:45am |
re: #259 Spare O'Lake
It will be interesting to see how Obama's apparent weakening of America's steadfast support for Israel's right to defend itself is received by Congress and by the Dem base.
A brief jaunt through KOS and HoffPoo may give you a snapshot!
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:35:45am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:37:36am |
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:38:18am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:38:19am |
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:38:26am |
re: #251 MandyManners
MV Corrie Reported Missing, En Route, and Sabotaged
The remaining aid ships, including the Challenger II and the MV Rachel Corrie have been reported to be lost at sea, bound for Gaza and set to return to their home ports by various news agencies around the globe.
As the world outcry continues over the Israeli attack on the Freedom Flotilla Monday that resulted in the deaths of an unknown number of activists, with reports from one organizer that at least four were shot in the head.
Little appears certain over the plans of the remaining ships delayed from the initial flotilla.
Singapore's Straits Times quoted Free Gaza organizer Audrey Bomse as saying:
"[t]the situation is we lost all contact with the boat. We assume this was sabotage by the Israelis," while Israeli media is reporting that the MV Corrie is heading back to Ireland, for reasons as diverse as instructions from organizers to agreements with Israel that the ship not continue toward Gaza.
[snip]
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:38:30am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:39:11am |
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:40:40am |
re: #240 Joo-LiZ
Clinton Supports UN Condemnation of Israel:
[Video]
Damn it. What is Clinton thinking? This is not how this should be played.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:43:20am |
TPM calls the attacks on the IDF soldiers "alleged".
[Link: tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:43:56am |
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:45:00am |
re: #268 Nimed
Damn it. What is
ClintonBHO thinking? This is not how this should be played.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:45:16am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:46:07am |
re: #265 NJDhockeyfan
On board the ship:
Random crewmember: "Captain, we've had an electrical malfunction and lost all communications."
Captain: "Oh, that's alright."
Random crewmember: "That's alright? How are we going to tell the world our story if we can't call on the radio?"
Captain: "We don't have to. Someone will report we've gone silent and blame Da Joos (tm) for it all. Mission Accomplished."
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:48:19am |
re: #271 MandyManners
Duh! One assumes Clinton is not going rogue on the President.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:48:52am |
re: #268 Nimed
Damn it. What is Clinton thinking? This is not how this should be played.
Here's how it "should be played" imho
Israel should put on the table right now EVERYTHING that Arafat and Rabin agreed too in Clintons (Bills) 1993 summit with them, including all the current lands that were given in the West Bank and Gaza. The Pali leadership has 2 months to accept it, after which the Israelis take things off the table one at a time.
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Ericus58 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:50:01am |
S.C. Republicans condemn '[bigoted word]' comment
[Link: www.politico.com...]
"South Carolina Republicans were quick Thursday evening to condemn the remarks of a prominent Republican State Senator, Jake Knotts, who referred to a gubernatorial candidate as a "[bigoted word]" on an online political show today. [Knotts also referred to President Obama with the same term.]
Knotts, a foe of Governor Mark Sanford and his protege, State Rep. Nikki Haley, made the remark of Haley on the local webcast Pub Politics.
Haley was born a Sikh, and the slur can refer to Arabs, Muslims, or those who -- like Sikh men -- wear turbans. She is a convert to Christianity.
The video is not currently available.
“The South Carolina Republican Party strongly condemns any use of racial or religious slurs. Senator Knotts should apologize for his inappropriate comments, so that we can put this unfortunate incident behind us and focus on issues important to moving our state forward," said Republican Party Chair Karen Floyd in a statement.
Said Haley spokesman Tim Pearson:
“Jake Knotts represents all that is wrong with South Carolina politics. He’s an embarrassment to our state and to the Republican Party. South Carolina is so much better than this, and the people of our state will make that quite clear next Tuesday.”"
I"m glad that the Republican leadership smacked this asshole down. It's the only way the party will become better - self monitoring and rebuking this behavior.
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Ericus58 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:53:31am |
re: #269 MandyManners
TPM calls the attacks on the IDF soldiers "alleged".
[Link: tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
That's not the only issue I have with that article or the it's authors thoughts.
Asswipe analogies.
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:54:44am |
re: #277 Ericus58
They are going all out against Haley. I wonder what the hell they're thinking?
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:54:45am |
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:55:15am |
It seems to me that now that America has pronounced that the situation in Gaza is "unsustainable" then it is time for Israel to take the necessary measures to radically alter the situation in Gaza. Since the current situation cannot be allowed to continue, then Israel should immediately close and seal the border between Israel and Gaza and announce that it will no longer supply Gaza with ANYTHING - no power, no food, no medicine, no water, nothing. And then Israel should announce that it will lift the Gaza blockade on condition that America undertakes to guarantee that no weapons will be allowed into Gaza.
Let Hillary and Obama stick THAT in their pipes and smoke it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:58:38am |
All day workie... I'll miss most of you guys!
/
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:58:38am |
re: #278 Ericus58
That's not the only issue I have with that article or the it's authors thoughts.
Asswipe analogies.
My No. 227 is by the same author, posted at Media Matters.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:58:43am |
re: #281 Spare O'Lake
As if that wouldn't provoke a firestorm of faux outrage from the international community and invite sanctions on Israel. It'd be the right thing to do if it was any other country in the world, but the global anti-Semitism just runs too deep.
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Ericus58 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:58:53am |
re: #279 RogueOne
They are going all out against Haley. I wonder what the hell they're thinking?
They're not. Not sure they have ever, for some of them.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 4, 2010 5:59:33am |
Headline at HuffPo:
Israeli Defense Forces Execute American Citizen
From the comments:
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Sean LarabeeThe best thing that America could do (IMHO) is to cut all ties with Israel and leave them to the wolves.
They are like the terrible friend that you may have that every you try to go out he want to get drunk and get in a fight and the night ends up a shambles of bloody knuckles.
I am not at all anti-semetic. I fully support any and all people in their quest to beleive in fairy tales.
However Israel is a country and as a country they act irresponsibly and with an utter disregard for their neighbors and allies on a regular basis. To hell with them I say. Maybe if they had to stand on their own for a while they would start acting with some level of respect for the international community and it's laws.
If I was on the fence before this lastest act of cowardice and brutality helped me make up my mind. To hell with them.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:00:20am |
re: #281 Spare O'Lake
It seems to me that now that America has pronounced that the situation in Gaza is "unsustainable" then it is time for Israel to take the necessary measures to radically alter the situation in Gaza. Since the current situation cannot be allowed to continue, then Israel should immediately close and seal the border between Israel and Gaza and announce that it will no longer supply Gaza with ANYTHING - no power, no food, no medicine, no water, nothing. And then Israel should announce that it will lift the Gaza blockade on condition that America undertakes to guarantee that no weapons will be allowed into Gaza.Let Hillary and Obama stick THAT in their pipes and smoke it.
Does Israel need America up its butt to that extent? Wouldn't such a move put our military in Gaza? I can just imagine the kind of mischief Hamas would get up to in order to provoke a confrontation between America and Israel.
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Ericus58 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:00:23am |
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:01:12am |
re: #276 sattv4u2
Here's how it "should be played" imho
Israel should put on the table right now EVERYTHING that Arafat and Rabin agreed too in Clintons (Bills) 1993 summit with them, including all the current lands that were given in the West Bank and Gaza. The Pali leadership has 2 months to accept it, after which the Israelis take things off the table one at a time.
That's an interesting idea. However (and I don't remember very well the terms of the accords), the map of the West Bank has probably changed a lot since then. There's also the fact that Palis have now a bicephalous authority.
But that would be a pretty generous offer.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:01:34am |
re: #290 Ericus58
Fancy that...
If either site told me that the sun rises in the east, I'd stay up all night just to check it out.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:03:15am |
re: #288 NJDhockeyfan
Reading that comment really enraged me. In particular, the whole bullshit about "I'm not anti-Semitic, but here's a whole bunch of crap that proves I'm an anti-Semite" always gets to me. I can't understand how people don't see it.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:04:56am |
re: #291 Nimed
That's an interesting idea. However (and I don't remember very well the terms of the accords), the map of the West Bank has probably changed a lot since then. There's also the fact that Palis have now a bicephalous authority.
But that would be a pretty generous offer.
Thats why I said in addition to everything in the 1993 accords the current mapping of the West Bank/ Gaza
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:05:39am |
Meet the Martyrdom Seekers on the Gaza Flotilla
Many passengers on the Gaza-bound ships that clashed with IDF troops this week have since been revealed to have sought “martyrdom” through battle with Israel. Their thoughts on Israel, Gaza, and death in battle were published by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), which gleaned the information from reports in Arab media.
Two of the passengers were Egyptian members of the Muslim Brotherhood, a group banned in Egypt over its support for terrorism, although it is allowed to maintain a parliamentary block. One of the two, Mohammed al-Baltaji, said just weeks before the flotilla set sail, “A nation that excels at dying will be blessed by Allah with a life of dignity and with eternal paradise.”
Al-Baltaji also spoke in praise of “resistance” - terrorists' preferred buzz word for terrorism – saying the Muslim Brotherhood “will never abandon the resistance” and “resistance is the only road map that can save Jerusalem.”
Jordan's delegation included Muslim Brotherhood members as well. Delegation member Salam al-Falahat has declared in the past, “We [in the Muslim Brotherhood] see Hamas movement in Palestine as standing at the head of the project of Arab and Islamic liberation from which the Muslim Brotherhood calls... The Muslim Brotherhood supports Hamas.”
A second Jordanian passenger, Mohammed abu-Ghanima, has written several articles in praise of Hamas, and at one point called on the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt to topple Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.
Six passengers on the ships hailed from Lebanon. The Lebanese delegation was led by Dr. Hani Suleiman, a lawyer who did pro-bono work for Japanese terrorist Kozo Okamoto, and who signed a pledge supporting “armed resistance” in Lebanon, Iraq, and the Palestinian Authority.
Another passenger from Lebanon, Hussein Shaker, told media that he had participated in the flotilla in order to avenge the deaths of relatives in the Second Lebanon War. A third, Abbas Nasser, is a former employee of Hizbullah's Al-Manar TV, and now works for Al-Jazeera.
The Yemeni delegation included three Member of Parliament, one of whom was photographed on deck while brandishing a large dagger. The three are members of the Al-Islah party, which is close to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Syria's sole delegate was Shadha Barakat, who hoped to reach Gaza and visit the home of deceased Hamas arch-terrorist Ahmed Yassin. Barakat's husband said his wife had gone despite the danger because, “since she was a child, she has dreamed of attacking an Israeli.”
Nice bunch of 'peace' protesters, eh?
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:05:50am |
re: #293 thedopefishlives
Reading that comment really enraged me. In particular, the whole bullshit about "I'm not anti-Semitic, but here's a whole bunch of crap that proves I'm an anti-Semite" always gets to me. I can't understand how people don't see it.
Thing is, he and people like him that proclaim "I'm not an anti-" usually ARE, but by saying it they really beleive that they aren't!
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:06:15am |
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:07:39am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:07:48am |
re: #296 sattv4u2
Thing is, he and people like him that proclaim "I'm not an anti-" usually ARE, but by saying it they really beleive that they aren't!
Oh, I know. And then when you whack them over the head with evidence to the contrary, they look at you as if you're growing horns out of your head and say, "But I just told you I'm NOT an anti-. DUH." As if their saying so proves it. Kinda like a Twoofer, almost.
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:08:45am |
re: #281 Spare O'Lake
It seems to me that now that America has pronounced that the situation in Gaza is "unsustainable" then it is time for Israel to take the necessary measures to radically alter the situation in Gaza. Since the current situation cannot be allowed to continue, then Israel should immediately close and seal the border between Israel and Gaza and announce that it will no longer supply Gaza with ANYTHING - no power, no food, no medicine, no water, nothing. And then Israel should announce that it will lift the Gaza blockade on condition that America undertakes to guarantee that no weapons will be allowed into Gaza.
Let Hillary and Obama stick THAT in their pipes and smoke it.
That move would favor Hamas a lot. Our country would have been given a de facto ultimatum from Israel, and would probably finance the aid to Gaza by transferring some of the existing aid to Israel. International aid would come pouring in. Israel would cede a lot of leverage over Gaza and get nothing substantial in return.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:09:39am |
re: #295 NJDhockeyfan
Meet the Martyrdom Seekers on the Gaza Flotilla
Nice bunch of 'peace' protesters, eh?
Here's my list as of yesterday.
Petter Venner—GB
Hasan Nowarah—GB
Amin Abou Rashed—Holland He is Hamas leader in Holland
Bishop Hilarion Capucci (smuggled arms to PLO in 70s)
Inge Hoger—German mp
Annete Groth—ditto
Henning Mankell—Swedish writer
Mairead Corrigan Maguire—North Ireland Nobel Peace winner
Hedy Epstein—US fled Nazis in 1939 as a child
Muhammad Al-Baltaji –Egyptian parliament member of MB
Hazem Farouq—ditto
Sheikh Muhammad Al-Hazmi—Yemen member of Parliament
Talat Hussan—Pakistan, TV anchor
Raza Mehmood Agha—ditto, TV producer
Nadeem Ahmed Khan—ditto, “aid” group
Fintan Lane—Irish writer and historian
Edward Peck—US Ambassador Edward Peck—Deputy Director of the Cabinet Task Force on Terrorism at the Reagan White House and State Department Liaison Officer to the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon
Joe Meadors—US signalman on USS Liberty
Paul Larudee—US cofounder of Free Palestine Movement, Free Gaza Movement
Gene St. Onge—US engineer
Janet Kobren—US cofounder of FPM
Greta Berlin—US cofounder of the FGM; Greta has spent 30 years teaching engineers and scientists how to design and deliver presentations. She has been in the West Bank three times since 2003 and was wounded by Israeli gunfire in July 2003 while trying to pull down the gate in the fence at Anin, just outside of Jenin. (Did she teach St. Onge?)
Katherine Elliott Sheetz—US
David Schermerhorn—US He was part of the crew of the Free Gaza on its maiden voyage to Gaza in August 2008.
Furkan Dogan—US 19 year old of Turkish descent
Kevin Neish—Canadian
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Ericus58 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:09:47am |
re: #288 NJDhockeyfan
If the slant of the comments section is to be used as an indication of their readers true beliefs - then Huffpoo can not be put in the same camp as LFG in regards to Israel.
They're in the wrong camp.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:12:18am |
re: #302 Ericus58
If the slant of the comments section is to be used as an indication of their readers true beliefs - then Huffpoo can not be put in the same camp as LFG in regards to Israel.
They're in the wrong camp.
HuffPo has a reputation of blatant anti-Semitism, as does DKos, TPM, and most of the other far left blogs.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:12:52am |
I was driving home last night and passed by State Street down by the UW (for those of you who have been to Madison) and out of the corner of my eye, I saw the blue & white of an Israeli flag. Glance over and saw a sign that said
FREE GAZA
I think WTF???? Then I see the rest of the sign -
FROM HAMAS
Ah, now that's much better.
Good Morning all.
William
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:13:24am |
Among the activists who were onboard the Gaza aid ships were the grandson and son-in-law of Sheikh Abdullah Yusuf Azzam, a Palestinian teacher and mentor of al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden, Palestinian sources revealed on Thursday.
The 19-year-old grandson, Muhammad, was accompanied by his father, Abdullah Anas, who is married to the sheikh’s daughter, Summaya, the sources said.
Another grandson, Ahmed, 17, is planning to join the next aid convoy to the Gaza Strip.
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abaleh Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:13:36am |
re: #295 NJDhockeyfan
Meet the Martyrdom Seekers on the Gaza Flotilla
Nice bunch of 'peace' protesters, eh?
Of course none of these MB assholes would do anything in their own countries because they know they'd get their asses dragged into some Mukhabarat basement.
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:14:14am |
re: #294 sattv4u2
Thats why I said in addition to everything in the 1993 accords the current mapping of the West Bank/ Gaza
Oops, right you are.
If I have time today, I'm gonna try to check what changed hands in the West Bank since 93.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:14:28am |
re: #303 NJDhockeyfan
HuffPo has a reputation of blatant anti-Semitism, as does DKos, TPM, and most of the other far left blogs.
I don't think those are far left. I think they represent the mainstream.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:14:43am |
re: #304 wlewisiii
I was driving home last night and passed by State Street down by the UW (for those of you who have been to Madison) and out of the corner of my eye, I saw the blue & white of an Israeli flag. Glance over and saw a sign that said
FREE GAZA
I think WTF??? Then I see the rest of the sign -
FROM HAMAS
Ah, now that's much better.
Good Morning all.
William
How about FREE GAZA, and HALF PRICE WEST BANK!
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:17:00am |
re: #306 abaleh
Of course none of these MB assholes would do anything in their own countries because they know they'd get their asses dragged into some Mukhabarat basement.
So, raising hell with Israel is a release valve to keep them from doing so in their own nations?
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:20:34am |
re: #303 NJDhockeyfan
HuffPo has a reputation of blatant anti-Semitism, as does DKos, TPM, and most of the other far left blogs.
re: #308 MandyManners
I don't think those are far left. I think they represent the mainstream.
Sigh.
Hey, check out blatantly anti-Semitic radical leftist Alan Dershowitz at HuffPo:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:20:44am |
Once again Honcos, good morning.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:21:12am |
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:22:23am |
re: #307 Nimed
The PA has civil administrative control over nearly all of the West Bank. The Gaza-Jericho accords and the Wye Agreement led to civil administrative control in Jericho (and Gaza) and other areas and produced security arrangements throughout the West Bank.
There are now several categories of territories in the West Bank. Those territorial classifications include areas where Israelis are now prohibited from entering at all.
* Area A - full control of the Palestinian Authority.
* Area B - Palestinian civil control, Israeli military control.
* Area C - full Israeli control.
The Wye Agreement also required that Hamas and Fatah (via the PA) eliminate calls to incitement to violence against Israel. That provision remains unfulfilled.
Some land was transferred from Area C to B and A, but after seeing the PA refuse to fulfill its obligations, the transfers stopped.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:23:04am |
re: #289 MandyManners
Does Israel need America up its butt to that extent? Wouldn't such a move put our military in Gaza? I can just imagine the kind of mischief Hamas would get up to in order to provoke a confrontation between America and Israel.
The US or Nato could effectively take over the blockade - offerring to let them do it might shut them up.
My guess would be that Obama would not be willing to do it.
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:24:14am |
re: #316 Spare O'Lake
Forget the US - the Europeans wouldnt' want to do it because their resources are already stretched thin (and with things heating up in Korea, they may be called upon for a real shooting war).
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:25:08am |
re: #315 lawhawk
Did you see that Abu Abbas wants to give PA citizenship to all the tersymps?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:25:39am |
US Muslim Brotherhood Condemns Israel For Offshore “Massacre”
The US Muslim Brotherhood is weighing in with reactions to the confrontation between Israel forces and a flotilla of ships composed largely of organizations tied to the Global Muslim Brotherhood. Before any investigation of the incident has had time to take place, the Israeli actions are described in the various statements either as a “massacre” or an “attack with deadly force” and all call for an end to the blockade of Gaza. The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) statement makes reference to an Israeli “massacre”
...The statement by the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) refers to the “unwarranted deadly use of force “
...The statement by the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) calls the Israel action a “deadly attack on a convoy of unarmed international peace activists”
...Although the Muslim American Society has not yet issued a statement, the MAS Civil Rights Director Ibrahim Ramey wrote in his blog that “killing is not only a by-product of the U.S. war system, but a result of the spread of that system throughout the world”
...The Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) statement makes reference to the ”massacre of innocent international peace activists by the Israeli military”
...[snip]
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:26:22am |
re: #316 Spare O'Lake
The US or Nato could effectively take over the blockade - offerring to let them do it might shut them up.
My guess would be that Obama would not be willing to do it.
Again, that would put America too far up Israel's butt. And, wouldn't it be giving up Israeli sovereignity?
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:26:36am |
re: #317 lawhawk
Forget the US - the Europeans wouldnt' want to do it because their resources are already stretched thin (and with things heating up in Korea, they may be called upon for a real shooting war).
Do you really think it will come to that?
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:26:36am |
re: #315 lawhawk
Aaand your comment has just been favorited. Thanks for that.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:26:39am |
re: #318 MandyManners
Did you see that Abu Abbas wants to give PA citizenship to all the tersymps?
Pennsylvania? :)
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abaleh Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:26:50am |
re: #310 MandyManners
So, raising hell with Israel is a release valve to keep them from doing so in their own nations?
pretty much
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:28:42am |
re: #300 Nimed
That move would favor Hamas a lot. Our country would have been given a de facto ultimatum from Israel, and would probably finance the aid to Gaza by transferring some of the existing aid to Israel. International aid would come pouring in. Israel would cede a lot of leverage over Gaza and get nothing substantial in return.
No ultimatum would be given. If the US is not prepared to prevent weapons from entering Gaza then they can either do it themselves or STFU about Israel doing it.
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Lidane Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:29:14am |
Morning, Lizards!
If you want a visual aid for seeing just how big the Gulf oil spill is, go here. It automatically figures out your location and adjusts the map accordingly.
This was my result. For perspective, San Antonio is about 90 miles south of Austin, and Waco is about 90 miles north. Seeing the spill in such stark terms is mind-blowing, IMO.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:30:02am |
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:30:49am |
re: #326 Lidane
[Link: www.ifitwasmyhome.com...]
Fuck.
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:30:58am |
re: #317 lawhawk
Forget the US - the Europeans wouldnt' want to do it because their resources are already stretched thin (and with things heating up in Korea, they may be called upon for a real shooting war).
They won't get involved this time. If the shit does hit the fan, and I don't think it will, it will be the US and Australia going alone.
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:32:02am |
re: #318 MandyManners
Well, that's what Abbas has to do to stay relevant and curry favor among the Islamists.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:33:16am |
re: #326 Lidane
Morning, Lizards!
If you want a visual aid for seeing just how big the Gulf oil spill is, go here. It automatically figures out your location and adjusts the map accordingly.
This was my result. For perspective, San Antonio is about 90 miles south of Austin, and Waco is about 90 miles north. Seeing the spill in such stark terms is mind-blowing, IMO.
That's really cool.
That spill is really massive. Easily a 5-6 hour drive across it
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:33:35am |
re: #311 Nimed
Sigh.
Hey, check out blatantly anti-Semitic radical leftist Alan Dershowitz at HuffPo:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Perusing through the comments reveals much anti-Israel and anti-Semitic sentiments on HuffPo. Thanks for the link!
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:34:52am |
re: #321 Cannadian Club Akbar
I don't think anyone is going to take over Israel's blockade - not the US, not NATO, not the EU. Their resources are stretched thin, and aren't going to take on another commitment.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:35:56am |
re: #328 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: www.ifitwasmyhome.com...]
Fuck.
That is a really cool feature. The north-south span of the spill would reach from Minneapolis almost all the way to Duluth, a solid 4 hours by road. It's amazing (in a pejorative sense) how bad things have gotten.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:36:31am |
re: #320 MandyManners
Again, that would put America too far up Israel's butt. And, wouldn't it be giving up Israeli sovereignity?
Over Gaza, yes, it would effectively be giving up sovereignty. Isn't that what the world wants? Or is it?
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abaleh Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:36:56am |
Do you kids want to give freedom and peace to mankind?
Here's the solution:
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:37:14am |
re: #325 Spare O'Lake
No ultimatum would be given. If the US is not prepared to prevent weapons from entering Gaza then they can either do it themselves or STFU about Israel doing it.
This is your proposal:
re: #281 Spare O'Lake
It seems to me that now that America has pronounced that the situation in Gaza is "unsustainable" then it is time for Israel to take the necessary measures to radically alter the situation in Gaza. Since the current situation cannot be allowed to continue, then Israel should immediately close and seal the border between Israel and Gaza and announce that it will no longer supply Gaza with ANYTHING - no power, no food, no medicine, no water, nothing. And then Israel should announce that it will lift the Gaza blockade on condition that America undertakes to guarantee that no weapons will be allowed into Gaza.
Let Hillary and Obama stick THAT in their pipes and smoke it.
Dude, at this time suspending aid while keeping the blockade would amount to genocide. So, of course the US would have to acquiesce to Israel's terms -- and our government wouldn't be happy with its hand being forced.
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abaleh Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:37:43am |
re: #333 lawhawk
I don't think anyone is going to take over Israel's blockade - not the US, not NATO, not the EU. Their resources are stretched thin, and aren't going to take on another commitment.
And the international community has been doing such a super job of keeping weapons out of South Lebanon...
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:37:56am |
re: #334 thedopefishlives
That is a really cool feature. The north-south span of the spill would reach from Minneapolis almost all the way to Duluth, a solid 4 hours by road. It's amazing (in a pejorative sense) how bad things have gotten.
The problem is, I live there. I fear for my state.
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:38:04am |
Economy adds 431K jobs but few in private sector
[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A wave of census hiring lifted payrolls by 431,000 in May, but job creation by private companies grew at the slowest pace since the start of the year. The unemployment rate dipped to 9.7 percent as people gave up searching for work.The Labor Department's new employment snapshot released Friday suggested that outside of the burst of hiring of temporary census workers by the federal government many private employers are wary of bulking up their work forces.
That indicates the economic recovery may not bring relief fast enough for millions of Americans who are unemployed.
Virtually all the job creation in May came from the hiring of 411,000 census workers. Such hiring peaked in May and will begin tailing off in June.
By contrast, hiring by private employers, the backbone of the economy, slowed sharply. They added just 41,000 jobs, down from 218,000 in April and the fewest since January.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:38:08am |
re: #325 Spare O'Lake
Samantha Powers, who, according to her Wiki, is a special adviser to President Barack Obama and Director of Multilateral Affairs for the National Security Council, on invading Israel.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:38:44am |
re: #332 NJDhockeyfan
Perusing through the comments reveals much anti-Israel and anti-Semitic sentiments on HuffPo. Thanks for the link!
Check out the Israel/Palestine forum on Demo... Under... (don't want to write out their whole name.) Horrible stuff.
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:38:51am |
re: #332 NJDhockeyfan
Perusing through the comments reveals much anti-Israel and anti-Semitic sentiments on HuffPo. Thanks for the link!
Yeah, most comments are pretty unreadable.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:39:08am |
re: #336 Spare O'Lake
Over Gaza, yes, it would effectively be giving up sovereignty. Isn't that what the world wants? Or is it?
Why should Israel give a flying fuck about what the world wants?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:39:08am |
re: #340 Cannadian Club Akbar
The problem is, I live there. I fear for my state.
So you've said repeatedly. I still have some faith in the ingenuity and persistence of humanity, especially Americans. We'll figure something out.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:40:36am |
re: #346 thedopefishlives
So you've said repeatedly. I still have some faith in the ingenuity and persistence of humanity, especially Americans. We'll figure something out.
I agree. But what is done is done.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:41:08am |
re: #337 abaleh
Do you kids want to give freedom and peace to mankind?
Here's the solution:
Make sure the kids are dressed properly before sending them off!
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garhighway Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:42:00am |
re: #311 Nimed
Sigh.
Hey, check out blatantly anti-Semitic radical leftist Alan Dershowitz at HuffPo:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
I thought the Dershowitz piece was pretty fair.
Some quotes:
"First, there is the Israeli blockade of Gaza, which included a naval blockade. Recall that when Israel ended its occupation of Gaza, it did not impose a blockade. Indeed it left behind agricultural facilities in the hope that the newly liberated Gaza Strip would become a peaceful and productive area. Instead Hamas seized control over Gaza and engaged in acts of warfare against Israel. These acts of warfare featured anti-personnel rockets, nearly 10,000 of them, directed at Israeli civilians. This was not only an act of warfare, it was a war crime. Israel responded to the rockets by declaring a blockade, the purpose of which was to assure that no rockets, or other material that could be used for making war against Israeli civilians, was permitted into Gaza. Israel allowed humanitarian aid through its checkpoints. Egypt as well participated in the blockade. There was never a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, merely a shortage of certain goods that would end if the rocket attacks ended."
...
"Third, were those on board the flotilla innocent non-combatants or did they lose that status once they agreed to engage in the military act of breaking the blockade? Let there be no mistake about the purpose of this flotilla. It was decidedly not to provide humanitarian aid to the residents of Gaza, but rather the break the entirely lawful Israeli military blockade. The proof lies in the fact that both Israel and Egypt offered to have all the food, medicine and other humanitarian goods sent to Gaza, if the boats agreed to land in an Israeli or Egyptian port. That humanitarian offer was soundly rejected by the leaders of the flotilla who publicly announced:
"This mission is not about delivering humanitarian supplies, it's about breaking Israel's siege on 1.5 million Palestinians." (AFP, May 27, 2010.)
The act of breaking a military siege is itself a military act, and those knowingly participating in such military action put in doubt their status as non-combatants."
I guess I missed the blatantly anti-Semitic parts.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:42:09am |
re: #333 lawhawk
I don't think anyone is going to take over Israel's blockade - not the US, not NATO, not the EU. Their resources are stretched thin, and aren't going to take on another commitment.
Perfect! Israel can offer to let them do it with no real chance that they will actually agree. But by making the offer, Israel shows the world that it is only trying to protect itself from attack by the Iranian clients in Gaza.
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:42:28am |
re: #341 RogueOne
And economists had been expecting 500,000+ jobs created. Not only did they get far less than that, but nearly all the jobs created were temporary census jobs, which means as soon as that's done, the jobs are gone.
Yet, some like CNN are spinning this as positive news - largest increase of jobs in 10 years (although they too have to acknowledge that they're nearly all census jobs). Heh.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:42:48am |
re: #348 Mad Al-Jaffee
Make sure the kids are dressed properly before sending them off!
They blow up so fast!
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:44:45am |
re: #338 Nimed
Dude, at this time suspending aid while keeping the blockade would amount to genocide. So, of course the US would have to acquiesce to Israel's terms -- and our government wouldn't be happy with its hand being forced.
All they have to do is STFU about Israel's right to do the blockade, then, and all this can be avoided. Obama can't have it both ways.
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:45:13am |
re: #340 Cannadian Club Akbar
The problem is, I live there. I fear for my state.
I don't know what you're so worried about. The administration has been on the scene since day 1, they have a good handle on it.....trust them. Like the president said, it's part of the danger of drilling so far off the coast. When something bad happens it's going to take time for them to get it fixed. BP and Obama are tight (which is why everyone has been hating on BP), relax, they have you covered.
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garhighway Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:46:55am |
re: #355 RogueOne
I don't know what you're so worried about. The administration has been on the scene since day 1, they have a good handle on it...trust them. Like the president said, it's part of the danger of drilling so far off the coast. When something bad happens it's going to take time for them to get it fixed. BP and Obama are tight (which is why everyone has been hating on BP), relax, they have you covered.
Is there something in particular that you think the federal government should do that it hasn't done?
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:47:30am |
re: #345 MandyManners
Why should Israel give a flying fuck about what the world wants?
In practice, Israel can sort of give the finger to the rest of the world as long as she maintains the support of the US. But that comes at a steep price for our country, and it won't last.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Strategic ties between Jerusalem and Washington have been slowly changing since the conclusion of the Cold War, Mossad chief Meir Dagan told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee on Tuesday.
"Bit by bit, Israel is becoming less of a strategic asset for America," Dagan said in his meeting with committee.
The Mossad chief indicated as well that the US views the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as a lower priority after determining that neither side is ready for an agreement.
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:49:25am |
re: #356 garhighway
Is there something in particular that you think the federal government should do that it hasn't done?
I said they have it under control. What more do you want from me? There isn't anything the federal government can't do, they'll get it.
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:50:08am |
re: #350 garhighway
Dude, Alan Dershowitz. That was obviously ironic. .
(always use the sarc tag)
(always use the sarc tag)
(always use the sarc tag)
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:50:35am |
More on the MB support of the tersymps.
The coalition behind the “Freedom Flotilla”, involved today in a military confrontation with Israeli naval forces, is primarily composed of organizations and individuals tied to the global Muslim Brotherhood. At the end of April, a web site representing the Union of Good, discussed later, identified the elements of the coalition behind the flotilla:
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:50:42am |
re: #356 garhighway
Is there something in particular that you think the federal government should do that it hasn't done?
It's all part of their "lowering the oceans" plan. Gunk it up with so much oil we'll have to pump a billion gallons out to clean it. You have to look at the big picture.
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Lidane Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:50:43am |
re: #331 Joo-LiZ
That's really cool.
That spill is really massive. Easily a 5-6 hour drive across it
Something like that. I just calculated the distance from Bryan, TX to Sonora, TX to get some perspective, and the shortest trip was 291 miles long.
It's just insane. My mind is still trying to wrap itself around all that.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:51:25am |
re: #356 garhighway
Is there something in particular that you think the federal government should do that it hasn't done?
I don't think they could have helped since I don't use gubment and competency the same sentence.
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Liberal Classic Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:51:36am |
re: #274 MandyManners
The author, Spencer Dew, strikes me as a bit of an odd bird. He seems eager to castigate Ayaan Hirsi Ali's atheism, but gives the benefit of the doubt to Tariq Ramadan and even stumps for Hatian Voodoo. I'm not sure where he's coming from. Is it that any religion is better than none at all?
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Ericus58 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:51:39am |
re: #341 RogueOne
"Virtually all the job creation in May came from the hiring of 411,000 census workers. Such hiring peaked in May and will begin tailing off in June.
By contrast, hiring by private employers, the backbone of the economy, slowed sharply. They added just 41,000 jobs, down from 218,000 in April and the fewest since January."
Ruh Roh.
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:51:52am |
McDonalds has a major recall on its hands: The glasses being sold as a promo for the Shrek movie tie in - all 12 million of them - are being recalled because of a concern over cadmium in the paint.
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SteveC Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:52:35am |
Antisemitism isn't the only thing you can find at HuffPo
Since its very inception five years ago, The Huffington Post has been, to steal a phrase from Star Wars, a wretched hive of scum and villainy, at least when it comes to anything resembling medicine. Of course, that's the problem. Very little, if anything, published in HuffPo resembles actual science-based medicine.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:53:40am |
Juicy Stuff Dept
Blag is gonna sing like a canary
Of course, Blago has been charged with far more serious crimes and abuses of power, but now that he’s back in the spotlight, his relationship with Obama (the ex-governor is charged with trying to sell the president’s vacant Senate seat), as well as their shared background in Illinois’s infamous political world, will not be overlooked by the GOP or the media.
[Link: www.newsweek.com...]
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:53:55am |
re: #365 Liberal Classic
The author, Spencer Dew, strikes me as a bit of an odd bird. He seems eager to castigate Ayaan Hirsi Ali's atheism, but gives the benefit of the doubt to Tariq Ramadan and even stumps for Hatian Voodoo. I'm not sure where he's coming from. Is it that any religion is better than none at all?
I think he doesn't like the way she blows the whistle on Islamism.
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Liberal Classic Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:54:03am |
re: #368 SteveC
I stay far away from any medical reporting in the Huffington Post. It's all about the power of vitamins and anti-vaccine nonsense.
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:54:04am |
re: #354 Spare O'Lake
All they have to do is STFU about Israel's right to do the blockade, then, and all this can be avoided. Obama can't have it both ways.
That would be true if we weren't giving Israel $2.5 billion a year. Since we are, we have a say in Israel's policy toward Gaza.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:55:22am |
re: #356 garhighway
Is there something in particular that you think the federal government should do that it hasn't done?
as far as I know BO has yet to hold a presser to talk to any citizens of the Gulf....he could start there
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:55:45am |
Today is National Donut Day.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I want to eat some Little Chocolate Donuts, the donuts of champions.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:56:31am |
re: #374 Mad Al-Jaffee
Today is National Donut Day.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I want to eat some Little Chocolate Donuts, the donuts of champions.
With a root beer. Trust me.
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Liberal Classic Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:56:53am |
re: #370 MandyManners
I think he doesn't like the way she blows the whistle on Islamism.
I'm kinda leaning towards the notion Dew doesn't like Ali because she blows the whistle on theism.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:57:33am |
re: #375 Cannadian Club Akbar
With a root beer. Trust me.
No, with a cigarette, just like John Belushi.
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Ericus58 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:57:34am |
re: #350 garhighway
I took Nimrod's pasting to give balance that not all of the articles are moonbat crazy - imo that would be the miniority though.
but the comments posted leave no doubt....
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:58:10am |
re: #350 garhighway
I thought Dershowitz analysis was fair too.
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garhighway Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:58:26am |
re: #373 albusteve
as far as I know BO has yet to hold a presser to talk to any citizens of the Gulf...he could start there
I guess. I suppose it couldn't hurt.
But aren't pressers, by definition, to talk to the press?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:58:28am |
Top Diary at Dkos: Israeli Defense Forces Execute American Citizen
I'm about to have a son. He will be partly Turkish-American. Can he be executed by Israel or any other country? Will our country protect him? Will they consider him a real American? Does he count?Is there any other country that also has immunity in killing US citizens? We're apparently very good allies with Saudi Arabia. Do they get to execute of any our citizens? I'm just trying to figure out the ground rules here.
Does it still mean something to be an American?
An easy way to get shot by the IDF is taking Israeli hostages
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:59:31am |
re: #376 Liberal Classic
I'm kinda leaning towards the notion Dew doesn't like Ali because she blows the whistle on theism.
When I hear/read her name, the first thing that jumps to my mind is that she's in hiding from Muslims who want to kill her because she's an apostate.
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 6:59:35am |
re: #378 Ericus58
I took Nimrod's pasting to give balance that not all of the articles are moonbat crazy - imo that would be the miniority though.
but the comments posted leave no doubt...
Some people cannot get past "IT HAPPENED IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS!!!". Somehow the have it in their heads that makes any action completely illegal. Some people need to pull their heads out of their asses.
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:01:29am |
re: #381 Killgore Trout
Top Diary at Dkos: Israeli Defense Forces Execute American Citizen
An easy way to get shot by the IDF is taking Israeli hostages
The situation isn't funny but that diary sure is. If they don't want their son killed by israeli troops then teach him not to do stupid shit like attack an armed soldier while on a "peace" mission. Problem solved.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:02:27am |
Meeting in the Oval Office, Obama said Arizona's law and similar efforts by more than 20 states would interfere with the federal government's responsibility to set and enforce immigration policy.
heh....BO can be so dense..does he really think anyone swallows this swill?
Obama urged her to "be his partner" in working toward a comprehensive overhaul of the nation's badly fractured immigration system. Brewer told The Associated Press afterward that she told Obama her state is not ready for the comprehensive solution he favors.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
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Ericus58 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:02:33am |
Nimrod - dude....
I give you updings and support you in a post - and you downding that post?!
LOL.
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Lidane Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:04:24am |
re: #373 albusteve
as far as I know BO has yet to hold a presser to talk to any citizens of the Gulf...he could start there
Because doing a press conference would accomplish so much. What's the guy going to do? Talk the spill into going away?
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Liberal Classic Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:04:37am |
re: #382 MandyManners
When I hear/read her name, the first thing that jumps to my mind is that she's in hiding from Muslims who want to kill her because she's an apostate.
Sure. I'm not trying to start an argument. I've been browsing articles over at Religion Dispatches to get a feel for the writers. Dew has three articles over there.
I'm kind of laughing at this one. They have an author defending Insane Clown Posse's "fucking magnets how do they work" video as not really being a rejection of science per se, but a rejection of "societal pressure to accept a rational-scientific worldview". LOL
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SteveC Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:05:02am |
re: #381 Killgore Trout
An easy way to get shot by the IDF is taking Israeli hostages
That'll do it, I garun-damn-tee!
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Nimed Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:05:03am |
re: #378 Ericus58
I took Nimrod's pasting to give balance that not all of the articles are moonbat crazy - imo that would be the miniority though.
but the comments posted leave no doubt...
1- I often said here LGF that Kos' and HuffPo's comments regarding Israel were sheer lunacy. Too bad you weren't paying attention. But the Post posted Dershowitz article -- WHICH IS NOT MOONBAT CRAZY! See how that is the opposite of what you just said?
2- Nimrod? Really? LOL. My eleven year old nephew can do both better and more mature than that -- with my nick as well as yours, which has lots of potential. :D
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:05:57am |
re: #388 Lidane
Because doing a press conference would accomplish so much. What's the guy going to do? Talk the spill into going away?
That's how he got the job, by giving a great speech. May as well stick to what he knows, how to read.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:06:19am |
Heh. The last thread was the longest one I've seen in recent memory. And what did it end up being about? Gay sex.
NTTAWWT.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:07:07am |
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SteveC Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:07:09am |
Reports have surfaced that “The Wizard of Westwood,” iconic UCLA basketball coach John Wooden, 99, is currently in hospital at the UCLA Medical Center, in grave condition. Sources say the hardcourt legend hasn’t eaten for days, is extremely ill, and may not live through the weekend.
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Lidane Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:07:18am |
re: #392 RogueOne
That's how
heevery President gets the job, by giving a great speech.
FTFY.
And it still doesn't answer the question of exactly how a press conference would solve anything.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:08:13am |
re: #386 Ericus58
Nimrod - dude...
I give you updings and support you in a post - and you downding that post?!LOL.
Eric, it's "Nimed".
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:09:24am |
re: #389 Liberal Classic
Sure. I'm not trying to start an argument. I've been browsing articles over at Religion Dispatches to get a feel for the writers. Dew has three articles over there.
I'm kind of laughing at this one. They have an author defending Insane Clown Posse's "fucking magnets how do they work" video as not really being a rejection of science per se, but a rejection of "societal pressure to accept a rational-scientific worldview". LOL
WTF? It's okay to reject science?
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:09:40am |
Mornin' honcos. Did I miss anything exciting last night?
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SteveC Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:10:28am |
re: #397 MandyManners
Eric, it's "Nimed".
You tell em, Molly!
I mean Mindy!
Oh, hell, I did it again, didn't I?
/
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albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:10:34am |
re: #388 Lidane
Because doing a press conference would accomplish so much. What's the guy going to do? Talk the spill into going away?
you negative attitude stinks...you mince words...GO TO THE PEOPLE, let them speak and answer their questions, try to show some empathy, set up a command center and load it up with experts from around the world that understand the problems...issue releases...create the illusion that he's doing more than seething in DC...try to establish a 'can do' attitude and help to subside fear, outline a clean up program....pound flesh, get dirty
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:11:08am |
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:11:32am |
re: #401 SteveC
You tell em, Molly!
I mean Mindy!
Oh, hell, I did it again, didn't I?
/
Just don't call me late to dinner!
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:12:26am |
re: #346 thedopefishlives
So you've said repeatedly. I still have some faith in the ingenuity and persistence of humanity, especially Americans. We'll figure something out.
I have faith too, this will all end up being cleaned up sooner or later.
However, until then:
The negative effects of this go way beyond the oil itself.
There are people in all of the affected areas whose livelihoods depend on fishing and/or the support system around fishing and/or tourism, who are going to suffer a lot for the next year because this year's income is shot to hell.
Many of the oil field workers live in Mississippi and Louisiana, and those jobs have just ended, suddenly and with little notice or planning. Unemployment will shoot up; the lucky ones who can keep their jobs will be relocated, some to not-so-friendly places around the world. Notice: relocation isn't to a different US city or state, but it will be to a different country altogether. Families will have income, but will be without a father or mother for the period of relocation.
The rigs are being towed as I write this, to other places in the world to begin drilling operations. They may or may not be available again in 6 months when the moratorium ends. The La. Dept of Economic Development estimates the negative effects of the moratorium will be felt here for 12 - 18 months at a minimum.
So, yes, this will all be figured out and taken care of eventually. But folks in several states are in for a very hard time, for an extended period of time.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:12:31am |
re: #400 Alouette
I have links to the folks at FGM and FPM up above.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:12:39am |
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Liberal Classic Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:13:04am |
re: #399 MandyManners
WTF? It's okay to reject science?
According to that author "it fills our world with less meaning instead of more." Religion Dispatches looks like a pro-theism anti-atheism site. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but that's why I said maybe Dew (at some levell) is reacting to Ali's atheism.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:13:56am |
re: #398 SteveC
He tasks me... he tasks me, and I will have him.
Kirk: He followed me this far, he'll be back. But from where...
Spock: He's intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking.
Trolls of course have one dimensional thinking.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:14:17am |
re: #407 reine.de.tout
What kind of federal economic aid can the areas expect?
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Lidane Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:14:58am |
re: #402 albusteve
you negative attitude stinks...you mince words...GO TO THE PEOPLE, let them speak and answer their questions, try to show some empathy
FYI-- that's not a press conference. That's a town hall meeting.
set up a command center and load it up with experts from around the world that understand the problems...issue releases...create the illusion that he's doing more than seething in DC...try to establish a 'can do' attitude and help to subside fear, outline a clean up program...pound flesh, get dirty
Illusions don't solve anything. Actions do. I'd rather hear about him screaming at people behind closed doors and using the government's weight to force BP to clean up their own goddamned mess than see him offer the usual gubmint platitudes of more panels of experts and blue ribbon comissions.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:16:07am |
re: #389 Liberal Classic
I'm kind of laughing at this one. They have an author defending Insane Clown Posse's "fucking magnets how do they work" video as not really being a rejection of science per se, but a rejection of "societal pressure to accept a rational-scientific worldview". LOL
I think you give philosophical implications where none are due. This crap is just playing the same word game that Nostradamus perfected long long ago. Rubbish out rubbish in.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:16:15am |
re: #413 Lidane
Illusions don't solve anything. Actions do. I'd rather hear about him screaming at people behind closed doors and using the government's weight to force BP to clean up their own goddamned mess than see him offer the usual gubmint platitudes of more panels of experts and blue ribbon comissions.
you twit....I know that...that's not the point
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:16:21am |
re: #400 Alouette
Mornin' honcos. Did I miss anything exciting last night?
I had to go to bed but when Charles got back home he clubbed the Uss Liberty Conspiracy troll two threads down. "Tonic"'s corpse is in cold storage and will be roasted later today.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:16:26am |
re: #409 Cato the Elder
It's filler text. Fake Latin.
Thanks.
Due to the guy's name, I thought it might be Gaelic but, the text lacked diacritical marks.
Why would someone post that on a professional page?
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:16:29am |
re: #396 Lidane
FTFY.
And it still doesn't answer the question of exactly how a press conference would solve anything.
I'm in a great mood today which means I'm full of snark but you have to admit this is what happens when you hire someone for a position that is out of their league. What life experience does he have to draw on to help him manage a crisis like this? Does he have any command experience? Nope. Did he have any executive experience? Nope. Ever held a real job? Worked with his hands? Has he actually ever even been dirty since he started college? No, No, and only for photo-ops.
I think a lot of the criticism is unfair, there isn't much a president can do in a situation like this, but he's been completely out of touch on this since day 1. He isn't doing anything because he doesn't know what to do.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:17:08am |
re: #410 Liberal Classic
According to that author "it fills our world with less meaning instead of more." Religion Dispatches looks like a pro-theism anti-atheism site. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but that's why I said maybe Dew (at some levell) is reacting to Ali's atheism.
Pro-theism does not equal ignorance.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:17:39am |
re: #419 MandyManners
Pro-theism does not equal ignorance.
Put another way, one can be a Christian without being an idiot.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:18:17am |
re: #410 Liberal Classic
According to that author "it fills our world with less meaning instead of more." Religion Dispatches looks like a pro-theism anti-atheism site. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but that's why I said maybe Dew (at some levell) is reacting to Ali's atheism.
And, such attitudes lead to blind faith in creationism as well as rejection of innoculations and other bits of modern medicine.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:18:23am |
re: #413 Lidane
Illusions don't solve anything. Actions do. I'd rather hear about him screaming at people behind closed doors and using the government's weight to force BP to clean up their own goddamned mess than see him offer the usual gubmint platitudes of more panels of experts and blue ribbon comissions.
when BO takes a political hit for his handling of this situation, you will be whining how unfair it is....because you fail to connect the dots and would rather play semantics
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:19:17am |
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:19:30am |
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Lidane Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:19:49am |
re: #418 RogueOne
I'm in a great mood today which means I'm full of snark but you have to admit this is what happens when you hire someone for a position that is out of their league.
Pfft. Everyone who is elected to that job is out of their league when they get there, regardless of previous experience. That whole argument never held any water for me.
In this case, I defy ANY president to have any easy solutions to the BP clusterfuck. Isn't the whole conservative argument that government can't solve everything, and that private enterprise can do it better? Well, this is BP's chance to prove that correct.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:20:19am |
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:20:24am |
re: #417 MandyManners
Thanks.
Due to the guy's name, I thought it might be Gaelic but, the text lacked diacritical marks.
Why would someone post that on a professional page?
Bad webmaster, lazy writer who can't find the time to provide content, or both.
Wiki:
In publishing and graphic design, lorem ipsum[p][1][2] is the name given to commonly used placeholder text (filler text) to demonstrate the graphic elements of a document or visual presentation, such as font, typography, and layout. The lorem ipsum text, which is typically a nonsensical list of semi-Latin words, is an edited version of a Latin text by Cicero, with words/letters omitted and others inserted, but not proper Latin[1][2] (see below: History and discovery). A close English translation might be "pain itself" (dolorem = pain, grief, misery, suffering; ipsum = itself).
Even though using "lorem ipsum" often arouses curiosity because of its resemblance to classical Latin, it is not intended to have meaning. Where text is visible in a document, people tend to focus on the textual content rather than upon overall presentation, so publishers use lorem ipsum when displaying a typeface or design elements and page layout in order to direct the focus to the publication style and not the meaning of the text.[2]
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:20:36am |
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albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:21:41am |
chew on this possibility...
New supercomputer studies suggest it is "very likely" ocean currents will carry oil from the Deepwater Horizon spill in the Gulf of Mexico around the tip of Florida and thousands of miles up the U.S. East Coast this summer, researchers announced Thursday.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:21:46am |
re: #412 MandyManners
What kind of federal economic aid can the areas expect?
Who knows?
The effects of the job losses and income losses have not been felt yet.
Here's Jindal's letter to the feds re: the moratorium - job losses expected - 6-7 thousand within a few weeks, possibly up to 10,000 total within a short time:
I am writing to express my grave concerns regarding the severe economic impact of a six-month (or longer) suspension of activity at 33 previously permitted deepwater drilling rigs in the Gulf of Mexico, including and in particular the 22 deepwater drilling rigs currently in operation off the Louisiana coast.Already, Louisiana has suffered severe negative economic and ecological impacts from the BP oil spill. Our seafood industry is experiencing huge economic losses that have only been partially mitigated by a frustratingly slow and inadequate BP claims process. Moreover, our precious wetlands are suffering incalculable, permanent damages, while our tourism industry faces escalating losses.
. . .
The Louisiana Department of Economic Development estimates that the active drilling suspension alone will result in a loss of 3,000 to 6,000 Louisiana jobs in the next 2-3 weeks and potentially over 10,000 Louisiana jobs within a few months. If the suspension of active drilling activity continues for an extended period, LED estimates that our state risks losing more than 20,000 existing and potential new Louisiana jobs in the next 12-18 months.Obviously these losses would come on top of those already generated by the spill and its related effects. Moreover, the announced moratorium of deepwater drilling activity creates a significant risk that many of these drilling platforms would be relocated to other countries -- along with the hundreds of high paying jobs that they each create.
Additionally, I fully understand the need for strict oversight of deepwater drilling. However, I would ask that the federal government move quickly to ensure that all deepwater drilling is in proper compliance with federal regulation and is conducted safely so that energy production and more importantly, thousands of jobs, are not in limbo.
And Jindal tells BP to stop stalling with the dredging, or get out of the way.
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Lidane Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:22:01am |
re: #422 albusteve
when BO takes a political hit for his handling of this situation, you will be whining how unfair it is...because you fail to connect the dots and would rather play semantics
He's taken plenty of political hits over the BP clusterfuck and I've yet to whine about it at all. Some of the hits are deserved, in fact.
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stevemcg Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:22:35am |
I just got to see a flood of stupidity. The Philadelphia Inquirer had an editorial whining about the Supreme Court decision that said a suspect must voice his intention to invoke his right to remain silent. So on one side the INKY and other critics are insisting that this is a further infringement of Constitutional rights and yet another erosion of Miranda, blah blah blah. On the other side, the trolls are mocking the Inky and the critics as terrorist loving weenies, blah blah blah. The simple interpretation is that rather than subject a suspect to a long drawn out interrogation where the suspect may (gasp, accidentally) answer an incriminating question, if the suspect says he wants to remain silent, then the questioning has to stop. What's the big deal?
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:22:56am |
re: #426 Lidane
Pfft. Everyone who is elected to that job is out of their league when they get there, regardless of previous experience. That whole argument never held any water for me.
In this case, I defy ANY president to have any easy solutions to the BP clusterfuck. Isn't the whole conservative argument that government can't solve everything, and that private enterprise can do it better? Well, this is BP's chance to prove that correct.
And they are doing a very poor job of it.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:23:53am |
re: #428 Cato the Elder
If your job is to show how well you present text, you should present real text.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:24:56am |
re: #431 reine.de.tout
And Jindal tells BP to stop stalling with the dredging, or get out of the way.
Three cheers for Jindal!
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:25:35am |
re: #427 MandyManners
It truly was a thing of beauty.
"What about all the sweet words you spoke?"
"Ah, that's just what we call 'pillow talk', baby."
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:26:01am |
re: #426 Lidane
Jindal seems to have some ideas on what needs to be done. Maybe he and the president can switch places for awhile.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:26:09am |
re: #435 MandyManners
If your job is to show how well you present text, you should present real text.
I would suspect that this guy bought a canned website to drum up more business, then went out of business and never bothered to finish it.
The internet is forever.
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Ericus58 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:26:22am |
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:26:39am |
re: #433 stevemcg
I just got to see a flood of stupidity. The Philadelphia Inquirer had an editorial whining about the Supreme Court decision that said a suspect must voice his intention to invoke his right to remain silent. So on one side the INKY and other critics are insisting that this is a further infringement of Constitutional rights and yet another erosion of Miranda, blah blah blah. On the other side, the trolls are mocking the Inky and the critics as terrorist loving weenies, blah blah blah. The simple interpretation is that rather than subject a suspect to a long drawn out interrogation where the suspect may (gasp, accidentally) answer an incriminating question, if the suspect says he wants to remain silent, then the questioning has to stop. What's the big deal?
Wasn't it a 5-4 decision with Sotomayor in the minority?
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:28:30am |
re: #437 Dark_Falcon
"What about all the sweet words you spoke?"
"Ah, that's just what we call 'pillow talk', baby."
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:29:05am |
Spelling "anti-Semitic" as "anti-semetic" is an infallible sign of someone who's anti-semantic.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:29:28am |
Imam Fethullah Gülen, a controversial and reclusive U.S. resident who is considered Turkey's most influential religious leader, criticized a Turkish-led flotilla for trying to deliver aid without Israel's consent.
Mr. Gülen said organizers' failure to seek accord with Israel before attempting to deliver aid "is a sign of defying authority, and will not lead to fruitful matters."
an unexpected voice of reason
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:29:38am |
re: #439 Cato the Elder
I would suspect that this guy bought a canned website to drum up more business, then went out of business and never bothered to finish it.
The internet is forever.
I think he's still in business. Well, when he's not writing anti-Semitic screeds for HuffPo.
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stevemcg Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:30:01am |
re: #441 MandyManners
Wasn't it a 5-4 decision with Sotomayor in the minority?
"In her stinging dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor got it right by saying the Miranda ruling 'marks a substantial retreat from the protection against compelled self-incrimination.'"
Ouch.
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CuriousLurker Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:30:14am |
re: #428 Cato the Elder
Bad webmaster, lazy writer who can't find the time to provide content, or both.
re: #435 MandyManners
If your job is to show how well you present text, you should present real text.
Most likely a lazy/distracted client. Getting content from them is almost always a chore, but sometimes seeing the fake Latin will spur them to action.
*waves at reine*
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:30:18am |
And now for something completely different, a dog wearing shoes:
[Link: www.princeofpetworth.com...]
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:30:21am |
Reports: Hamas shuts charity offices in Gaza
The United Nations' special coordinator for Middle East peace expressed his concerns Thursday over reports of Hamas breaking into charity offices in Gaza and closing them down, a statement said."This targeting of NGOs, including UN partner organizations, is unacceptable, violating accepted norms of a free society and harming the Palestinian people," said Robert Serry, U.N. special coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process.
"The de facto authorities must cease such repressive steps and allow the re-opening of these civil society institutions without delay."
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SteveC Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:30:30am |
From the children of the Man who made the blind see:
BEER-SHEVA, ISRAEL, June 3, 2010 – Ben-Gurion University of the Negev students have developed an innovative optical radar system that helps blind people maneuver around obstacles.
Contrast and compare: Israelis make cutting edge medical technology. Palestinians blow things up.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:30:33am |
re: #440 Ericus58
Oh, my Bad... must have been a Freudian slip...
I've wondered about owning a lingerie shop named "Freudian Slip".
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albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:30:50am |
re: #438 RogueOne
Jindal seems to have some ideas on what needs to be done. Maybe he and the president can switch places for awhile.
BO needs six months of breathing room....events have clearly overtaken him
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:31:13am |
re: #446 stevemcg
"In her stinging dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor got it right by saying the Miranda ruling 'marks a substantial retreat from the protection against compelled self-incrimination.'"
Ouch.
What's her reasoning?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:31:57am |
re: #437 Dark_Falcon
"What about all the sweet words you spoke?"
"Ah, that's just what we call 'pillow talk', baby."
Shop smart, shop S Mart.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:32:15am |
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Ericus58 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:32:26am |
re: #451 MandyManners
I've wondered about owning a lingerie shop named "Freudian Slip".
Please add me to the mailing list ;)
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:32:41am |
re: #447 CuriousLurker
Most likely a lazy/distracted client. Getting content from them is almost always a chore, but sometimes seeing the fake Latin will spur them to action.
*waves at reine*
Howdy!
good to see you back!
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:33:14am |
re: #449 Killgore Trout
Whoa. Last line in an article from CNN:
Israel considers Hamas a terrorist organization. Hamas does not recognize Israel's right to exist.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:33:49am |
re: #450 SteveC
From the children of the Man who made the blind see:
Contrast and compare: Israelis make cutting edge medical technology. Palestinians blow things up.
Hatred sucks.
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SteveC Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:34:31am |
re: #443 Cato the Elder
Spelling "anti-Semitic" as "anti-semetic" is an infallible sign of someone who's anti-semantic.
If you are referring to me, it's really a sign of my lack of spelling ability; no offense was intended. The handy dandy Firefox spellchecker didn't notice it.
I worked in a museum for ten years and STILL spell it "musuem" when I am in a hurry.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:34:38am |
More on the kidnapping attempt.....
'Firearms may have been thrown overboard'
Firearms may have been thrown overboard by passengers of the Mavi Marmara, Israel Radio reported Friday, citing IDF sources.
According to the report, gun-sights and rifle cartridges not fitting IDF weapons were discovered upon inspection of the ship, leading defense officials to believe that there may have been weapons on board when the ship set out from Turkey aside from the knifes, rocks and slingshots found in the search.
Coded messages apparently alluding to scenarios of soldier-kidnapping and soldier fatalities were also found on board the ship.
...
A Reuters report appeared to corroborate on Friday claims of an attempt to kidnap a soldier during the raid of the ship.
...
Using slingshots, metal pipes and bats they initially succeeded in wounding and overpowering four Israeli soldiers and dragging them below the deck.After standoff lasting approximately ten minutes, the Israelis opened fire, the man said.
A makeshift hostage negotiation took place aboard the ship, according to the cameraman.
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stevemcg Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:34:40am |
re: #453 MandyManners
What's her reasoning?
Afraid I just don't have the time right now to look up and read through her disent (there wasn't a link). I'm not sure I want to. Can't imagine anydody thinking this through and seriously objecting to this. Well, maybe some knee jerk editorial writers, but not four Supreme Court justices. Gotta bail for now.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:34:40am |
re: #449 Killgore Trout
Reports: Hamas shuts charity offices in Gaza
The United Nations' special coordinator for Middle East peace expressed his concerns Thursday over reports of Hamas breaking into charity offices in Gaza and closing them down, a statement said.
"This targeting of NGOs, including UN partner organizations, is unacceptable, violating accepted norms of a free society and harming the Palestinian people," said Robert Serry, U.N. special coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process.
"The de facto authorities must cease such repressive steps and allow the re-opening of these civil society institutions without delay."
Mr. Serry must never have read the Hamas Charter. Violating the norms of a free society and using repression is their stock in trade. They consider a free society unIslamic.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:35:07am |
re: #451 MandyManners
I've wondered about owning a lingerie shop named "Freudian Slip".
I want to open a tobacco shop called "Just a Cigar."
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:35:21am |
It's 70 here with 90 per cent humidity. Yum.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:36:11am |
re: #458 MandyManners
Whoa. Last line in an article from CNN:
Israel considers Hamas a terrorist organization. Hamas does not recognize Israel's right to exist.
It's an important line that clarifies how Hamas thinks. I'm glad CNN put it in.
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SteveC Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:36:28am |
re: #451 MandyManners
I've wondered about owning a lingerie shop named "Freudian Slip".
There is a store near here named Brides by Frankie.
I called him up one day and asked "Frankie, do you have these brides in stock, or can I order a custom model?"
He hung up on me!
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:36:40am |
re: #465 MandyManners
It's 70 here with 90 per cent humidity. Yum.
I'm so jealous. It's about 50 here and still raining.
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CuriousLurker Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:37:21am |
re: #457 reine.de.tout
Howdy!
good to see you back!
Howdy! Good to be back. Last month was blur of work with little time for anything else. Speaking of, I've got stuff on my desk now so I guess I'd better skedaddle.
Enjoy your day. ;-)
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albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:37:54am |
The attackers had already seized two pistols from the commandos, and fired repeatedly at them. Facing more than a dozen of the mercenaries, and convinced their lives were in danger, he and his colleagues opened fire, he said. S. singlehandedly killed six men. His colleagues killed another three.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Nevertheless, the IDF suspects that the group did have some guns of its own. Israeli forensic experts who examined the ship found casings belonging to a weapon that was not used by the commandos, and the Turkish captain of the ship later told the IDF that the “mercenaries” threw their weapons overboard after the commandos took control of the vessel.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:39:09am |
re: #467 SteveC
There is a store near here named Brides by Frankie.
I called him up one day and asked "Frankie, do you have these brides in stock, or can I order a custom model?"
He hung up on me!
/rimshot
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:39:11am |
re: #462 stevemcg
Afraid I just don't have the time right now to look up and read through her disent (there wasn't a link). I'm not sure I want to. Can't imagine anydody thinking this through and seriously objecting to this. Well, maybe some knee jerk editorial writers, but not four Supreme Court justices. Gotta bail for now.
Sotomayor wrote the dissenting opinion, which begins on page 24.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:39:52am |
re: #433 stevemcg
Pundits must pontify. Therefore any and all news items will be analyzed for how much they can be outraged over. Depending on the news day the threshold value of the item in pundit units (pundzons?) will vary.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:39:54am |
re: #464 Mad Al-Jaffee
I want to open a tobacco shop called "Just a Cigar."
Both Freudian and Clintonian!
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Lidane Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:40:07am |
re: #438 RogueOne
Jindal seems to have some ideas on what needs to be done. Maybe he and the president can switch places for awhile.
Jindal has a much more direct line to the situation on the ground. It's impacting his state pretty hard, after all. The President -- ANY President, mind -- has, by design, many layers of government between himself and a direct situation like this. Again: what do you want the President to do, short of wading into all that muck and cleaning it all by hand?
Honestly, this is one of those damned if you do/damned if you don't situations. If he holds a town hall meeting or a press conference, he's putting on a dog and pony show and not solving the problem. If he puts together a panel of experts or a blue ribbon commission, he's dithering and not doing enough. If he stays in DC, he's aloof and uncaring. If he goes to the Gulf, he's grandstanding and getting in the way of cleanup and relief efforts because of all the security and hullabaloo that follows a President wherever he goes. No matter what he does, he's going to get keelhauled for it.
I'd rather see him find a way to turn the legal screws on BP. Fine the shit out of them. Force them into cleaning up their own mess. Force them to reimburse the states for any money spent on cleanup and environmental damage control, and on jobs lost. Something. He can and should do more. But going down there or holding a press conference or town hall meeting would be inadequate.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:40:17am |
re: #466 Dark_Falcon
It's an important line that clarifies how Hamas thinks. I'm glad CNN put it in.
I'm surprised.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:40:49am |
re: #467 SteveC
There is a store near here named Brides by Frankie.
I called him up one day and asked "Frankie, do you have these brides in stock, or can I order a custom model?"
He hung up on me!
Do you have Prince Albert in a can?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:41:22am |
re: #470 albusteve
Interesting....
The group was well trained and was split into a number of squads of about 20 mercenaries each distributed throughout the upper deck, the IDF said. All of the mercenaries wore gas masks and ceramic bulletproof vests and were armed with either bats, slingshots, metal bars, knives or stun grenades.The IDF’s understanding is that the mercenaries mainly chose dual-purpose items of this sort rather than guns, since opening fire would have made it blatantly clear that they were terrorists and not so-called peace activists.
Nevertheless, the IDF suspects that the group did have some guns of its own. Israeli forensic experts who examined the ship found casings belonging to a weapon that was not used by the commandos, and the Turkish captain of the ship later told the IDF that the “mercenaries” threw their weapons overboard after the commandos took control of the vessel.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:41:39am |
re: #468 Killgore Trout
I'm so jealous. It's about 50 here and still raining.
(((Kilgore)))
I often remarked in Seattle that a Spring day was as good as a Winter day in the South.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:41:53am |
Beneath its commitment to soft-spoken diplomacy and beyond the combat zones of Afghanistan and Iraq, the Obama administration has significantly expanded a largely secret U.S. war against al-Qaeda and other radical groups, according to senior military and administration officials.
I heartily praise BO for his secret war...
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:42:12am |
re: #460 SteveC
If you are referring to me, it's really a sign of my lack of spelling ability; no offense was intended. The handy dandy Firefox spellchecker didn't notice it.
I worked in a museum for ten years and STILL spell it "musuem" when I am in a hurry.
Until just a couple of years ago, I thought that vacuum was spelled "vacum."
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:42:15am |
re: #467 SteveC
There is a store near here named Brides by Frankie.
I called him up one day and asked "Frankie, do you have these brides in stock, or can I order a custom model?"
He hung up on me!
Is his last name Stein?
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theheat Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:42:20am |
re: #426 Lidane
I'm not even sure how private enterprise is defined these days. Is it Mom&Pop business, or is it anything that isn't government-owned? Because if the only criteria is that the government doesn't own it, there are countless epic failures by private businesses in the way they operate.
Whether it be rat shit in peanut butter, faulty equipment, faulty construction, a total disregard for safety, or even Rand Paul's wet dream of the diner down the road proudly catering to "White's only" - there are plenty of instances where - without any oversight - private business will fuck the consumer if and whenever possible. The more fucking they give, the more money they make.
This romantic, roll-up-their-sleeves, get out of their way, let the real capitalists handle it notion is pure fantasy. When left to their own devices, private enterprise does as it damned well pleases, and the results aren't always altruistic as they're peddled. Unfortunately, their flawed business model only pops its head up when it's too late, and has already negatively impacted some percentage of consumers, or, in BP's case, glazed half the continent in their oop-sies.
Can the government do better? Doubtful. But the government can tell Mr. Private Enterprise to mind their p's & q's, stop their fucking whining, clean that goddamned mess up, and keep the rat shit out of my peanut butter.
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Jadespring Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:42:49am |
It's a jungle out there. We finally had a bit of rain the past few days and the garden/yard has just exploded. I just got back in from doing some rounds and it's flippin nuts how fast things have grown up in matter of days. Good for the veggies but bad for me since I have to look after the weeds and grass.
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:44:00am |
Take a look at the pic in this post and try to guess where it's from. No fair cheating. There's a link to the answer with additional photos.
[Link: www.theagitator.com...]
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:44:47am |
re: #484 Jadespring
It's a jungle out there. We finally had a bit of rain the past few days and the garden/yard has just exploded. I just got back in from doing some rounds and it's flippin nuts how fast things have grown up in matter of days. Good for the veggies but bad for me since I have to look after the weeds and grass.
Nature never sleeps.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:45:37am |
re: #478 Killgore Trout
and after all that the score was 9-0
the rest of the peaceniks must have been in shock
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:45:52am |
re: #485 RogueOne
Take a look at the pic in this post and try to guess where it's from. No fair cheating. There's a link to the answer with additional photos.
[Link: www.theagitator.com...]
A music store?
Nice butt on the one on the left.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:45:59am |
re: #483 theheat
If government allows companies to practice corrupt business to continue, then it all but forces all competitors to do the same or operate at a disadvantage.
The idea is to keep it to a minimum: I would rather have the government regulating financial industry than bailing out banks that are Too Big to Fail.
i would rather have the government regulating safety and environmental standards instead of one that is left with the task of dealing with the consequences of ignoring them.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:46:25am |
re: #487 albusteve
and after all that the score was 9-0
the rest of the peaceniks must have been in shock
Well, at least one wanted martyrdom.
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:46:46am |
That's going to work out just *fine*. Clashing cultures, crappy business model, declining sales, will all make this marriage work out perfectly. What could possibly go wrong? /////
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:47:32am |
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:47:44am |
re: #485 RogueOne
I'd seen that one once before. It was shot in Afghanistan before the troubles - late 1950s I think.
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garhighway Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:48:25am |
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:48:43am |
re: #488 MandyManners
I was kind of shocked by the other photos. It shows how far that nation has slid in such a short time. It also shows what a lie the "Islam-ism isn't a threat" theory.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:50:08am |
re: #490 MandyManners
Well, at least one wanted martyrdom.
And probably more than that. I hope those who wanted it are enjoying Hell. Finding God does actually approve of their murderous actions must be quite a shock.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:51:06am |
re: #485 RogueOne
It's Kenya and they're plotting to hide the real birth certificate in an album cover!
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:51:18am |
re: #495 RogueOne
I was kind of shocked by the other photos. It shows how far that nation has slid in such a short time. It also shows what a lie the "Islam-ism isn't a threat" theory.
What's it about? All I can see are comments.
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:52:04am |
re: #499 MandyManners
What's it about? All I can see are comments.
Afghanistan in the 50's photo album.
[Link: www.foreignpolicy.com...]
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:52:52am |
re: #496 Dark_Falcon
And probably more than that. I hope those who wanted it are enjoying Hell. Finding God does actually approve of their murderous actions must be quite a shock.
I once had a link to a group of virgins--nuns with guns. I also had one of the founding fathers from Vrigina with the caption that the martyrs had it wrong--72 Virginians, not virgins.
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Liberal Classic Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:53:13am |
re: #488 MandyManners
A music store?
Nice butt on the one on the left.
Source:
Once Upon a Time in Afghanistan...
[Link: www.foreignpolicy.com...]
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:53:46am |
re: #500 RogueOne
Afghanistan in the 50's photo album.
[Link: www.foreignpolicy.com...]
No shit?! Wow.
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Ericus58 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:54:02am |
re: #479 MandyManners
(((Kilgore)))
I often remarked in Seattle that a Spring day was as good as a Winter day in the South.
LOL, so true.
Came into work this morning - raining most of the night - and found a spot to park that was up close to the front (thinking "hey, Friday and peeps staying home!").
Get out and *sploink*.... water up to my ankles from the depressed area I had parked in.
*squish, squish, squish* as I walked in....
jesh!
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:54:11am |
re: #502 Liberal Classic
Source:
Once Upon a Time in Afghanistan...
[Link: www.foreignpolicy.com...]
They've gone backwards in time in a hurry.
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darthstar Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:55:13am |
Mornin...
Could someone tell me what the bright yellow shit coming out of the top of the BOP at the bottom of the gulf is? Black shit (oil) and white shit (natural gas) and brown shit (drilling mud, oil mixed with dispersant) have been part of my life for weeks now, so I'm used to it. But bright yellow shit looks like flames, and I know that's a mile under water, so nobody was smoking next to the damn thing. So what the fuck is it? (third live feed video down)
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:55:18am |
re: #504 Ericus58
LOL, so true.
Came into work this morning - raining most of the night - and found a spot to park that was up close to the front (thinking "hey, Friday and peeps staying home!").Get out and *sploink*... water up to my ankles from the depressed area I had parked in.
*squish, squish, squish* as I walked in...jesh!
You didn't wear rubbers?
HEY, DEVIATED PREVERTS. Those are the things that go on over shoes. Gee. Get your minds out of the gutter.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:56:31am |
re: #506 darthstar
Sulfur would be my best guess.
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:56:38am |
Krauthammer nails it.
In World War II, with full international legality, the United States blockaded Germany and Japan. And during the October 1962 missile crisis, we blockaded ("quarantined") Cuba. Arms-bearing Russian ships headed to Cuba turned back because the Soviets knew that the U.S. Navy would either board them or sink them. Yet Israel is accused of international criminality for doing precisely what John Kennedy did: impose a naval blockade to prevent a hostile state from acquiring lethal weaponry.Oh, but weren't the Gaza-bound ships on a mission of humanitarian relief? No. Otherwise they would have accepted Israel's offer to bring their supplies to an Israeli port, be inspected for military materiel and have the rest trucked by Israel into Gaza -- as every week 10,000 tons of food, medicine and other humanitarian supplies are sent by Israel to Gaza.
Why was the offer refused? Because, as organizer Greta Berlin admitted, the flotilla was not about humanitarian relief but about breaking the blockade, i.e., ending Israel's inspection regime, which would mean unlimited shipping into Gaza and thus the unlimited arming of Hamas.
Israel has already twice intercepted ships laden with Iranian arms destined for Hezbollah and Gaza. What country would allow that?
But even more important, why did Israel even have to resort to blockade? Because, blockade is Israel's fallback as the world systematically de-legitimizes its traditional ways of defending itself -- forward and active defense.
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Jadespring Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:57:11am |
re: #486 MandyManners
Nature never sleeps.
No kidding. Something ate my peas. Three days ago they were about 3 inches high. Now in that one bed there is no sign of them. It's like they weren't ever there.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:59:06am |
re: #372 Nimed
That would be true if we weren't giving Israel $2.5 billion a year. Since we are, we have a say in Israel's policy toward Gaza.
$2.5B is not nearly enough to buy the Israeli blood which America seems increasingly willing to see spilt on the altar of Gaza's right to freely import weapons from Syria and Iran.
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:59:55am |
re: #508 thedopefishlives
Sulfur would be my best guess.
Oh Crap, Satan is using the hole to take the planet!
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:00:11am |
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stevemcg Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:01:20am |
re: #472 MandyManners
Sotomayor wrote the dissenting opinion, which begins on page 24.
Ah, what the hell, I read Sotamayor's dissent. Funny how the facts of the case can really screw up the debate. The details seem to indicate that the defendant wasn't completely silent for the 2 1/2 hour interrogation. Sometimes he grunted, he answered yes to the question about whether he believed in God. It seems he refused to sign a statement that he wanted to remain silent, perhaps he was mistrustful about signing anything. Fair enough. The detective said that the suspect was almost completely unresponsive for the interrogation. So the case involves whether the interogation should have continued and whether the suspect knowingly and validly waived his Miranda rights. A lot of it goes over my head, including many of the references to existing law about waiving the right to silence, which was relevant to this case.
So, viewed discretely, the decision seems to indicate one thing, that a suspect need only say that he/she wants to remain silent to stop the interrogation. But the defendant in this case lost his case, because his refusal to answer questions didn't establish cause to stop the interrogation.
I can see where Sotomayor is coming from, but I also can't see this as an infringement on our right against self incrimination. It seems to me that this clarifies the different standards of invoking the right to remain silent, in spite of the result of ruling against the plaintiff.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:01:22am |
re: #510 Jadespring
No kidding. Something ate my peas. Three days ago they were about 3 inches high. Now in that one bed there is no sign of them. It's like they weren't ever there.
Jeff in Ohio's gopher?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:02:27am |
re: #507 MandyManners
You didn't wear rubbers?
HEY, DEVIATED PREVERTS. Those are the things that go on over shoes. Gee. Get your minds out of the gutter.
I could never get the ones I use to stretch that much.
| 519 |
MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:02:52am |
re: #516 stevemcg
Will police now be required to advise suspects that they must say that they want to remain silent?
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:03:27am |
re: #518 Mad Al-Jaffee
I could never get the ones I use to stretch that much.
Big feet, eh? You know what that indicates, don't you?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:03:32am |
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:04:34am |
Does anyone have a list of the tersymps on the Rachel Corrie?
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theheat Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:05:54am |
re: #513 Spare O'Lake
You know the old saying divorced women say about child support money from their exes? "Take their money, take their shit." Like it or not, it goes hand in hand.
Meddling in Israel's security policy isn't unique to the Obama administration. The US has been wagging their finger at Israel as long as I can remember. Whenever Israel really starts kicking some ass, they're always yarded back by the collar like schoolchildren that are misbehaving.
They can keep taking US money and take our (often ridiculous) shit, or they can cut the strings altogether, and tough it out on their own. Obviously, they know to do the latter isn't feasible. I wish for their sake it was.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:06:00am |
re: #522 MandyManners
Does anyone have a list of the tersymps on the Rachel Corrie?
[Link: www.freegaza.org...]
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abaleh Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:06:01am |
re: #522 MandyManners
Does anyone have a list of the tersymps on the Rachel Corrie?
Useful Idiot #1
Useful Idiot #2
Useful Idiot #3
etc.
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SteveC Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:07:34am |
re: #518 Mad Al-Jaffee
I could never get the ones I use to stretch that much.
I was using one the last time I had relations with my girlfriend. I was a little hesitant because the elastic seemed to be a little loose, and much to my horror it slid off at a bad time!
Nine moths later our daughter was born wearing rubber pants! :)
| 527 |
MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:08:11am |
Mairead Corrigan Maguire was in this week's flotilla.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:09:03am |
re: #525 abaleh
Useful Idiot #1
Useful Idiot #2
Useful Idiot #3
etc.
LOL!
I wonder how many terrorists will be on board and what kind of dual-use weapons they have.
| 530 |
garhighway Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:09:18am |
re: #506 darthstar
Mornin...
Could someone tell me what the bright yellow shit coming out of the top of the BOP at the bottom of the gulf is? Black shit (oil) and white shit (natural gas) and brown shit (drilling mud, oil mixed with dispersant) have been part of my life for weeks now, so I'm used to it. But bright yellow shit looks like flames, and I know that's a mile under water, so nobody was smoking next to the damn thing. So what the fuck is it? (third live feed video down)
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
I had been wondering the same thing. I suspect it might be an artifact of the video camera.
| 531 |
Ericus58 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:09:30am |
re: #507 MandyManners
You didn't wear rubbers?
HEY, DEVIATED PREVERTS. Those are the things that go on over shoes. Gee. Get your minds out of the gutter.
"I am so smart! S-M-R-T!"
| 532 |
SteveC Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:12:18am |
*sigh* time to act as if I am not a drain on the budget. Everyone have a good day!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:12:20am |
re: #526 SteveC
Graffitti seen on a men's room condom machine:
This gum tastes funny and it's hard to chew.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:12:26am |
Denis Halliday, from Ireland, a UN Assistant Secretary-General from 1994-98.
Matthias Chang Wen Chieh is a Malaysian of Chinese descent. He is a Barrister of 32 years standing and once served as the Political Secretary to the Fourth Prime Minister of Malaysia,...
Mohd Nizar bin Zakaria,Perak, Malaysia, MP Mohd Nizar bin Zakaria is a Member of the Malaysian Parliament.
In addition, there is a three-member camera crew on board from Malaysia TV3 and journalis Shamsul Akmar bin Musa Kamal.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:12:49am |
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Ericus58 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:13:44am |
re: #534 MandyManners
Denis Halliday, from Ireland, a UN Assistant Secretary-General from 1994-98.
Matthias Chang Wen Chieh is a Malaysian of Chinese descent. He is a Barrister of 32 years standing and once served as the Political Secretary to the Fourth Prime Minister of Malaysia,...
Mohd Nizar bin Zakaria,Perak, Malaysia, MP Mohd Nizar bin Zakaria is a Member of the Malaysian Parliament.
In addition, there is a three-member camera crew on board from Malaysia TV3 and journalis Shamsul Akmar bin Musa Kamal.
From this Line-up, it's Malaysia's turn at bat....
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abaleh Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:13:52am |
re: #529 MandyManners
LOL!
I wonder how many terrorists will be on board and what kind of dual-use weapons they have.
I actually suspect that this ship is full of only useful idiots and passive terror supporters, but we'll see later today.
| 538 |
albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:14:15am |
"Has this White House become a part of the establishment they once opposed?"
Corruption: A presidency that promised to take the high road on ethics has veered off into scandal after scandal — Sestak, Romanoff, Blagojevich. Whatever happened to changing the ways of Washington?
non of this is going away as much as dems try to minimize it...another culture of corruption
[Link: www.investors.com...]
| 539 |
_RememberTonyC Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:14:19am |
re: #520 MandyManners
Big feet, eh? You know what that indicates, don't you?
the need for large shoes?
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Political Atheist Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:14:34am |
re: #485 RogueOne
Wow. Best catch I have seen in a while. Sorry! I scrolled up, so I cheated. But that is going to be linked and sent to some folks I know who will essentially see that rug under their feet slip out from under their assumptions. Reminds me of some Iranian scenes under the Shah at universities.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:15:05am |
re: #536 Ericus58
From this Line-up, it's Malaysia's turn at bat...
Someone posted a link above about some Islamist bragging that ships from around the world are gonna' break the blockade.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:15:11am |
re: #523 theheat
You know the old saying divorced women say about child support money from their exes? "Take their money, take their shit." Like it or not, it goes hand in hand.
Meddling in Israel's security policy isn't unique to the Obama administration. The US has been wagging their finger at Israel as long as I can remember. Whenever Israel really starts kicking some ass, they're always yarded back by the collar like schoolchildren that are misbehaving.
They can keep taking US money and take our (often ridiculous) shit, or they can cut the strings altogether, and tough it out on their own. Obviously, they know to do the latter isn't feasible. I wish for their sake it was.
Actually the $2.5B is chickenfeed to Obama, I'm sure. To Israel that amount is not insignificant but they could easily get by without it. But what Israel CANNOT do without is US military hardware which is still the best in the world. So yes, Israel is still susceptible to US pressure, but they have been expanding their own military industries and it may not be too long before they achieve independence from what is increasingly becoming unbearable to many in Israel.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:15:45am |
re: #537 abaleh
I actually suspect that this ship is full of only useful idiots and passive terror supporters, but we'll see later today.
Today's the day?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:15:49am |
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:16:08am |
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:16:23am |
gotta visit quickly today ... nice job by the Lakers last night ... I thought the Celtics would grab game one, but they can still do their job if they get game two on Sunday. But it is a "must" win for the Green. I'm still going with my original prediction: Celtics in six.
have a wonderful weekend everyone ...
| 548 |
abaleh Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:17:10am |
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:17:16am |
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:17:54am |
re: #545 Oh no...Sand People!
Please, no jokes about that.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:18:12am |
re: #547 _RememberTonyC
gotta visit quickly today ... nice job by the Lakers last night ... I thought the Celtics would grab game one, but they can still do their job if they get game two on Sunday. But it is a "must" win for the Green. I'm still going with my original prediction: Celtics in six.
have a wonderful weekend everyone ...
You, too!
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Political Atheist Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:18:53am |
re: #490 MandyManners
Since one dead is an American I am curious as to his role in the attack. If he did take a shot to the head as has been reported in a place I do not trust-My guess is he was an active participant in the attack on the commandos.
| 553 |
garhighway Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:19:12am |
re: #538 albusteve
...another culture of corruption
[Link: www.investors.com...]
Another? What was the last one?
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:19:24am |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:19:32am |
re: #496 Dark_Falcon
And probably more than that. I hope those who wanted it are enjoying Hell. Finding God does not actually approve of their murderous actions must be quite a shock.
PIMF
Sorry, for the delay.
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:19:58am |
re: #550 MandyManners
Please, no jokes about that.
Alright...fine.
Gotta get breakfast! Orange Juice, eggs, bacon....and....that's all!
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abaleh Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:20:06am |
re: #552 Rightwingconspirator
Since one dead is an American I am curious as to his role in the attack. If he did take a shot to the head as has been reported in a place I do not trust-My guess is he was an active participant in the attack on the commandos.
I think it was 4 to the head, one to the chest.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:20:27am |
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Political Atheist Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:21:09am |
re: #557 abaleh
I think it was 4 to the head, one to the chest.
Exactly why I think he was right there in it.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:21:20am |
re: #548 abaleh
MV Corrie Reported Missing, En Route, and Sabotaged
The remaining aid ships, including the Challenger II and the MV Rachel Corrie have been reported to be lost at sea, bound for Gaza and set to return to their home ports by various news agencies around the globe.
As the world outcry continues over the Israeli attack on the Freedom Flotilla Monday that resulted in the deaths of an unknown number of activists, with reports from one organizer that at least four were shot in the head.
Little appears certain over the plans of the remaining ships delayed from the initial flotilla.
Singapore's Straits Times quoted Free Gaza organizer Audrey Bomse as saying:
"[t]the situation is we lost all contact with the boat. We assume this was sabotage by the Israelis," while Israeli media is reporting that the MV Corrie is heading back to Ireland, for reasons as diverse as instructions from organizers to agreements with Israel that the ship not continue toward Gaza.
SNIP
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:21:22am |
re: #513 Spare O'Lake
$2.5B is not nearly enough to buy the Israeli blood which America seems increasingly willing to see spilt on the altar of Gaza's right to freely import weapons from Syria and Iran.
Is Canada so much better, then? I thought that Canada's government, in general, supported the UN's attitude towards Israel and there was much less support for Israel among Canadians, as this poll shows.
[Link: www.gallup.com...]
Canadians sympathize with the Israelis over the Palestinians by only a four-point margin, 34% vs. 30%.
And Jews are not allowed refugee status in Canada at all, because they could be citizens of Israel.
There is far less support for Israel in Canada then in the US. So where do you get off lecturing the US on this subject?
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albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:21:47am |
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stevemcg Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:21:57am |
re: #519 MandyManners
Will police now be required to advise suspects that they must say that they want to remain silent?
I don't think so. The ruling doesn't say so explicitly. "Second, Thompkins’s answer to Detective Helgert’squestion about whether Thompkins prayed to God for forgiveness for shooting the victim is a “course of conductindicating waiver” of the right to remain silent. Butler, supra, at 373. If Thompkins wanted to remain silent, he could have said nothing in response to Helgert’s questions,or he could have unambiguously invoked his Miranda rights and ended the interrogation. The fact that Thompkins made a statement about three hours after receiving a Miranda warning does not overcome the fact that heengaged in a course of conduct indicating waiver." It seems that the subject's silence neither consents nor objects to the continuation of the interrogation. The original Miranda warning advises te suspect that he may invoke his right to remain silent or demand counsel at anytime during questioning. In this case the Thompkins imperfectly exercised his right to remain silent, but also did not say that he would not answer questions either. In other words, he never said "Stop questioning me, I won't tell you anything." In fact, as I noted above, he was largely silent, but not completely, and I guess that was the difference in establishing whether he actually was using his right to remain silent. What was your question again?
Oh yeah. There is nothing in there about changing the Miranda rights warning, so I guess the police aren't required to tell you that you have to tell them to stop, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happens.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:22:05am |
re: #552 Rightwingconspirator
Since one dead is an American I am curious as to his role in the attack. If he did take a shot to the head as has been reported in a place I do not trust-My guess is he was an active participant in the attack on the commandos.
I read here last night that one took four shots to the head and one to the chest.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:22:35am |
re: #554 _RememberTonyC
my size 17 feet go "commando" (no socks)
j/k
You really should practice safe walking.
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philosophus invidius Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:22:42am |
re: #495 RogueOne
I was kind of shocked by the other photos. It shows how far that nation has slid in such a short time. It also shows what a lie the "Islam-ism isn't a threat" theory.
Don't forget that pesky USSR.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:23:19am |
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:23:38am |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:24:31am |
Palestinian scout children carry mock coffins and weapons during a march in the Palestinian refugee camp of Ein el-Hilweh near the southern port city of Sidon, Lebanon, Friday, June 4, 2010, as they protest Monday's Israel deadly commando raid on the aid ships heading to Gaza.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:24:57am |
re: #563 stevemcg
There is nothing in there about changing the Miranda rights warning, so I guess the police aren't required to tell you that you have to tell them to stop, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happens.
If you must tell the cops that you are invoking the Fifth, then I hope that the cops will have to tell you.
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:25:00am |
MV Corrie and Challenger reported missing?
Of course, the first thought is sabotage and that Israel's behind this - even though no one knows what the conditions of those ships were when they left port.
Oh, and the report is all so much anti-Israel propaganda and pro-Palestinian sympathizers.
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RogueOne Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:25:24am |
re: #567 philosophus invidius
Don't forget that pesky USSR.
Hate to say this but they might have been better off. Living under a dictatorship sucks ass but it looks like it could be worse.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:25:30am |
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Political Atheist Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:25:50am |
re: #572 lawhawk
MV Corrie and Challenger reported missing?
Of course, the first thought is sabotage and that Israel's behind this - even though no one knows what the conditions of those ships were when they left port.
Oh, and the report is all so much anti-Israel propaganda and pro-Palestinian sympathizers.
So that is what sea slinking looks like... Slinking back to port.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:26:30am |
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abaleh Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:26:46am |
re: #570 Killgore Trout
I guess they follow the creed of "Be Prepared", and know enough that if you carry guns around IDF soldiers you should have a coffin or two handy.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:27:21am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:27:49am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:28:59am |
re: #573 RogueOne
Hate to say this but they might have been better off. Living under a dictatorship sucks ass but it looks like it could be worse.
ummm, know a lot about living under a dictatorship, or a lot about ,, umm,, nevermind!!!
//
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:29:29am |
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theheat Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:29:47am |
re: #573 RogueOne
At the very least, the USSR wasn't as backwards. Women didn't become so oppressed they had to wear beekeeper's outfits, and denied an education.
You could fit all Afghanistan's technological and societal advances, and the contributions to the world as a whole, for the past 40+ years, in a shot glass.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:30:01am |
re: #561 Obdicut
And Jews are not allowed refugee status in Canada at all, because they could be citizens of Israel.
There is far less support for Israel in Canada then in the US. So where do you get off lecturing the US on this subject?
Do you think I am a representative of the Canadian Government?
Simpleton.
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:30:12am |
re: #572 lawhawk
I'm going to bet $5 on sheer incompetence on the part of people running the ship.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:30:41am |
re: #577 abaleh
I guess they follow the creed of "Be Prepared", and know enough that if you carry guns around IDF soldiers you should have a coffin or two handy.
Not really. The IDF will still try to avoid shooting any more than they have to. Because they are just so murderous, you know.
/spits on propagandists.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:31:07am |
I'm on my way out. Taking a half day today so I can play a blues festival early tonight.
Have a good weekend, honcos!
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:31:48am |
re: #510 Jadespring
No kidding. Something ate my peas. Three days ago they were about 3 inches high. Now in that one bed there is no sign of them. It's like they weren't ever there.
My morning glories were getting leaf clipped up to a uniform height of 16". Then one day I saw the groundhogs responsible. I've also had deer, rabbits, and slugs* also eating stuff.
You either put up with the losses, establish a blockade (fencing or equivalent passive barrier), or establish an active defense...
* - "Slugs! HE created slugs! They can't hear. They can't speak. They can't operate machinery. Are we not in the hands of a lunatic? "
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:32:35am |
re: #582 theheat
You could fit all Afghanistan's technological and societal advances, and the contributions to the world as a whole, for the past 40+ years, in a shot glass.
They make good kebabs. Kebabs is tasty!
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:32:38am |
re: #584 Obdicut
I'm going to bet $5 on sheer incompetence on the part of people running the ship.
Captian Gilligan Abdhulla
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:32:39am |
re: #570 Killgore Trout
Those are toy guns of course? Right?
Yeah, they're so really Israel's partners in peace that they pay honor to terrorists, martyrdom in the name of jihad is the ultimate honor, and Israel's destruction is the ultimate goal - indoctrinated from an early age.
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garhighway Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:33:45am |
re: #530 garhighway
I had been wondering the same thing. I suspect it might be an artifact of the video camera.
I think I now know the answer. The actual "top hat" is yellow. I think we are seeing glimpses of it through the oil.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:33:45am |
re: #552 Rightwingconspirator
Since one dead is an American I am curious as to his role in the attack. If he did take a shot to the head as has been reported in a place I do not trust-My guess is he was an active participant in the attack on the commandos.
He was supposedly shot 4 times in the head, once in the chest.
19 year old dual US-Turkish citizen.
The lefty's are using it as evidence of an "execution" of an "American citizen"
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:34:35am |
re: #583 Spare O'Lake
Do you think I am a representative of the Canadian Government?
Simpleton.
You just said this:
2.5B is not nearly enough to buy the Israeli blood which America seems increasingly willing to see spilt on the altar of Gaza's right to freely import weapons from Syria and Iran.
That statement accuses the United States of 'buy[ing] Israeli blood'. That is such a goddamn odious thing to say I have no clue what you're thinking. You seriously think US aid to Israel is a bribe to let Israeli's die so that weapons can reach Gaza?
Furthermore, the US is the best ally in the world of Israel. Israel deserves more, and better allies, it deserves in some ways better treatment by the US-- but the loudest voices speaking on behalf of Israel are from the US, like Rep. Weiner's.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:35:38am |
re: #581 MandyManners
The head of the state's GOP is kicking Knott's ass for that.
He needs to do that, but he should take it further. Knotts should have all party help withdrawn from him. If that means the Democrat wins, so be it. The lesson must be taught: Being a racist is not acceptable.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:36:08am |
One of the Malaysian tersymps on board the Rachel Corrie is Matthias Chang Wen Chieh, a former political secretary for Mahathir Mohamad.
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theheat Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:36:17am |
re: #595 Joo-LiZ
I attribute it to natural causes. Natural to the type of company he chose to keep.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:36:55am |
re: #588 Mad Al-Jaffee
I'm on my way out. Taking a half day today so I can play a blues festival early tonight.
Have a good weekend, honcos!
Enjoy!
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Liberal Classic Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:36:58am |
re: #583 Spare O'Lake
Do you think I am a representative of the Canadian Government?
Simpleton.
Now, now, the Canadian Government has apologized for Spare O'Lake on several occasions.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:37:05am |
re: #561 Obdicut
And Jews are not allowed refugee status in Canada at all, because they could be citizens of Israel.
There is far less support for Israel in Canada then in the US. So where do you get off lecturing the US on this subject?
Official Canada since, 2006 with the Conservative Government under PM Stephen Harper has been the most steadfast ally of Israel, and the greatest support of Israel's right to self-defense.
They don't have the resources to send billions in aid, like the US. But morally and internationally, the Canadian Govt backs Israel 100%. They have consistently supported Israel in the UN, they were the first to boycott Durban II as well as the Ahmedinejad UN speeches.
They get surprisingly little press about it, for all that.
Bibi Netanyahu was in Canada when the Flotilla incident happened, specifically to thank Harper for his support.
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ShaunP Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:37:05am |
re: #596 Obdicut
That statement accuses the United States of 'buy[ing] Israeli blood'. That is such a goddamn odious thing to say I have no clue what you're thinking. You seriously think US aid to Israel is a bribe to let Israeli's die so that weapons can reach Gaza?
Furthermore, the US is the best ally in the world of Israel. Israel deserves more, and better allies, it deserves in some ways better treatment by the US-- but the loudest voices speaking on behalf of Israel are from the US, like Rep. Weiner's.
I don't think that's what he was saying. I think he was saying that 2.5 billion is a drop in the bucket and doesn't buy the US the driver seat...
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albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:37:30am |
Last week, House and Senate legislators released bipartisan plans to speed up the deployment of electric vehicles. In each plan, the centerpiece was a "targeted deployment" approach: Rather than offer the same incentives nationwide, the government would award federal funds to the regions that come up with the best blueprints for rolling out tens of thousands of plug-in cars.
feds crawl deeper into the car business....they won't secure the borders, but they feel they should sell cars....hello UAW?
[Link: www.scientificamerican.com...]
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:37:44am |
re: #597 Dark_Falcon
And spread that to include kicking Ron Paul and Rand Paul out of the GOP, as well.
I seriously think the GOP needs to draw a line in the sand, very soon, on this subject. It's about to explode with the immigration reform debate.
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abaleh Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:38:17am |
re: #598 MandyManners
One of the Malaysian tersymps on board the Rachel Corrie is Matthias Chang Wen Chieh, a former political secretary for Mahathir Mohamad.
wait, let me guess, the shadow money lenders are the Jooz?
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theheat Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:38:25am |
re: #597 Dark_Falcon
When Michael Steele can't be bothered to say anything, after all the race baiting and egregious shit streaming from the mouths of members of the GOP, it isn't as though there's any kind of leadership dealing with these incidents in a consistent manner. And there's been plenty of incidents.
It should all be unacceptable. Always.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:38:36am |
re: #589 Dark_Falcon
Did you not find the preceding comment insulting?
I'm not lecturing anyone here, I'm just advocating for Israel.
And I advocate for Israel to my own government as well.
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:39:17am |
re: #584 Obdicut
Pro Palestinian groups claim that they lost contact, but the report goes on to say:
The Free Gaza Movement said that it assumed Israel must have sabotaged systems on board the ship, whose passengers include a Nobel Peace Prize winner and a former UN assistant secretary-general.
As a result they plan to pull it back to port and pack it with celebrities and journalists, in a direct challenge to Israel.The cargo ship, laden with building supplies, cement, medical and educational equipment and wheelchairs as well as Irish and Malaysian activists, set off on Saturday despite warnings from Israel that it would halt any attempt to break the blockade.
So, now mechanical trouble with a ship that was launched in 1967 (that's more than 40 years old) is treated as Israel sabotaging the boat and its attempt to run a lawful blockade of Gaza. Gotcha.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:39:24am |
re: #593 lawhawk
Those are toy guns of course? Right?
Yeah, they're so really Israel's partners in peace that they pay honor to terrorists, martyrdom in the name of jihad is the ultimate honor, and Israel's destruction is the ultimate goal - indoctrinated from an early age.
According to Mathias Chang, only Americans, Brits and Israelis are brainwashed to kill.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:40:02am |
re: #605 Obdicut
And spread that to include kicking Ron Paul and Rand Paul out of the GOP, as well.I seriously think the GOP needs to draw a line in the sand, very soon, on this subject. It's about to explode with the immigration reform debate.
pretty bold statement...how does one go about kicking people out of a political party?
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:40:06am |
re: #602 Joo-LiZ
Since 2006, then. For four years. With the Quebecois portion of the government objecting all the while. While the US, who has supported Israel for decades, gets accused of buying Israeli blood so that Gaza can be armed. Which doesn't even make any fucking sense as an accusation.
[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]
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darthstar Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:41:16am |
re: #605 Obdicut
And spread that to include kicking Ron Paul and Rand Paul out of the GOP, as well.
I seriously think the GOP needs to draw a line in the sand, very soon, on this subject. It's about to explode with the immigration reform debate.
"Hold on just one minute...when we were told to purge the party, we thought we were supposed to get rid of the moderates!"
/
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:41:31am |
re: #596 Obdicut
That statement accuses the United States of 'buy[ing] Israeli blood'. That is such a goddamn odious thing to say I have no clue what you're thinking. You seriously think US aid to Israel is a bribe to let Israeli's die so that weapons can reach Gaza?
Furthermore, the US is the best ally in the world of Israel. Israel deserves more, and better allies, it deserves in some ways better treatment by the US-- but the loudest voices speaking on behalf of Israel are from the US, like Rep. Weiner's.
Absolutely would not go so far as to say the US is 'buying' Israeli blood, but there is a sense that the US feels entitled to view Israel as a client-state because of the aid.
The Obama team recognizes that Israel will act in its interests, but it wants Jerusalem to consider U.S. interests, as well. The administration has communicated at a senior level its fear that the Israelis sometimes "care about their equities, but not about ours."
I'm not saying the US isn't entitled to look out for its own interests. But generally, the argument is made quite often that Israel has no right to do anything in its own interest, if it might harm US interest, because of the aid it receives. It is a common anti-Israel talking point.
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:41:37am |
re: #603 ShaunP
I don't think that's what he was saying. I think he was saying that 2.5 billion is a drop in the bucket and doesn't buy the US the driver seat...
It may be a drop in the bucket. He still said that the US is buying Israeli blood to allow Gaza to be armed. That statement is way over the line, insanely offensive, and stupid beyond belief.
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garhighway Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:41:41am |
re: #597 Dark_Falcon
He needs to do that, but he should take it further. Knotts should have all party help withdrawn from him. If that means the Democrat wins, so be it. The lesson must be taught: Being a racist is not acceptable.
Here's the thing: I have to guess that 99% of people in politics know this sort of stuff is publicly unacceptable. And yet we keep having these incidents. So if there are this many people incapable of censoring their words to suppress the racist stuff, how many more ARE able to censor themselves, and successfully keep their racist thoughts under wraps while on the campaign trail?
It is my sad suspicion that the answer is "lots and lots", and that those folks only voice their darker thoughts (if ever) when they are in the company of those they trust completely and when they are sure they are not on the record. I would very much like to be wrong about that, but I don't think I am.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:42:26am |
re: #609 lawhawk
Is this ship another IHH operation? I'm starting to think last week's incident was a plan to bolster the Islamist political parties in Turkey and sabotage Turkey's relationship with Israel. It worked.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:42:28am |
re: #613 theheat
De-fucking-fund them.
Only some of the monies any politician gets comes from the party. Lots more comes from direct contributions, especially for smaller (i.e. local as opposed to state as opposed to national ) offices
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:42:36am |
re: #612 Obdicut
Since 2006, then. For four years. With the Quebecois portion of the government objecting all the while. While the US, who has supported Israel for decades, gets accused of buying Israeli blood so that Gaza can be armed. Which doesn't even make any fucking sense as an accusation.
[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]
I don't want to argue with you over this, because I agree that statement is quite over-board.
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:43:56am |
re: #617 garhighway
Very good point. The self-controlled racists are more frightening.
There's a man who posts holocaust denial on a WWII history website I visit. He's erudite, witty, intelligent, and usually well-mannered. Only occasionally does he let the mask slip and the rabid hatred of Jews emerge. He is far more dangerous and far more scary than the morons who come onto the forum to blather obvious Jew-hate.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:44:03am |
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:44:25am |
re: #606 abaleh
wait, let me guess, the shadow money lenders are the Jooz?
Gee, how'd you guess!
He'd fit in with Alex Jones and David Icke.
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:45:11am |
At the New Republic, Leon Wieseltier writes that Israel has lost “the all-important war for symbols and meanings, to Hamas.” Somehow, among all the wars and skirmishes and ambushes that define Israeli existence and threaten to erase the Jewish state, I find it hard to swallow Wiesltier’s post-modern competition “for symbols and meanings” as “the all important war.”Ethan Bronner writes, in the New York Times, “the world powers have grown increasingly disillusioned with the blockade, saying that it has created far too much suffering in Gaza and serves as a symbol not only of Israel’s treatment of Palestinians but of how the West is seen in relation to the Palestinians.”
You know what else the blockade serves as? A blockade. It separates Israel’s sworn enemies from those who would help them arm and kill Israelis. Oh, and by the way, as a blockade – and not a symbol – the blockade works. So, too, do the fences, check points, and walls that separate Israel from would-be terrorists in the Palestinian territories.
Oops, did I say walls? This comes from a Reuters story that ran last year: “Pope Benedict stood by the wall Israel is building round the West Bank on Wednesday and called it a symbol of “stalemate” between Israel and the Palestinians, urging both sides to break a ‘spiral of violence.’”
What kind of Freudian limbo do Israelis now supposedly inhabit where everything they do and create is just another sinister symbol of chauvinism, paranoia, and frustration. ...
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:45:51am |
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theheat Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:45:55am |
re: #619 sattv4u2
They're all backed by the GOP, whether it be on the local level, or higher up. You sure don't see the GOP calling these assholes out when they win. Not a peep while they're running. No one says, "Pricks like you aren't welcome here, so get the fuck out."
All that matters is another mark goes on the GOP side when they succeed. It's like hot dogs; nobody cares what goes in them.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:45:58am |
re: #622 Alouette
Speaking of asshats,
Baseball commish won't change bad ump call that snatched a perfect gama away from Tigers pitcher.
He can't, really.
If he DID, there will be a steady stream of past and future calls made that the participants will demand be changed
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prairiefire Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:46:19am |
I don't know if this has been posted. If you have the Shrek 4 glasses from McDonald's, stop using them. they contain too much cadimum in the paint.[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:46:53am |
re: #618 Killgore Trout
Is this ship another IHH operation? I'm starting to think last week's incident was a plan to bolster the Islamist political parties in Turkey and sabotage Turkey's relationship with Israel. It worked.
Didn't it start off from Cyprus?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:46:56am |
re: #601 Liberal Classic
Now, now, the Canadian Government has apologized for Spare O'Lake on several occasions.
re: #608 Spare O'Lake
Did you not find the preceding comment insulting?
I'm not lecturing anyone here, I'm just advocating for Israel.
And I advocate for Israel to my own government as well.
Honestly, no that comment was not insulting. Wrong footed, but not insulting. But am updinging you, and I am glad you advocate for Israel up there. Someone has to stand up for the truth, and I'm glad it's you.
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:47:16am |
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:47:16am |
re: #624 Joo-LiZ
I actually didn't quote the best part:
But this isn’t even about selective standards; it’s a category distinction. Here are the rules: Russia, which has been illegally occupying Georgia for almost two years, and facilitating Iran’s nuclear and anti-aircraft programs for even longer, is a state. North Korea, which recently sunk a South Korean navy boat full of 46 sailors (not in oh-so-precious international waters, but in South Korean waters), starves its own population, and threatens to destroy Seoul, is a state. Pakistan — the creation of which led to a million deaths and millions more displaced, in order to give a single religious group its own area– is a terrorist Disneyland; it is also a state, achieving independence in 1947. Israel, on the other hand, is the world’s Hitchcock dream sequence. And it better not forget it.That’s what all this criticism of the flotilla operation amounts to. How dare Israel act in service of its existence as a country when it’s so valuable as a symbol. In this way, those who wag their fingers at Israel for insufficiently weighing optics and PR and world opinion have put an insidious twist on the denial of Israel’s right to exist. For if it is forbidden to act on its own behalf as a state then there is an implicit denial of its right to be one. After all, when a state prevents a fleet of armed enemies from breaking its blockade with no casualties on their side it’s called a smashing success. When it’s done by Israel it’s just another sinister emblem of increasingly violent suicidal tendencies.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:47:19am |
re: #622 Alouette
Speaking of asshats,
Baseball commish won't change bad ump call that snatched a perfect gama away from Tigers pitcher.
call a congressional investigation!...actually reversing the call would set a bad precedent don't you think?...after all this is the sport where stats are fueled by steroids
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:47:36am |
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garhighway Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:47:49am |
re: #627 sattv4u2
He can't, really.
If he DID, there will be a steady stream of past and future calls made that the participants will demand be changed
Agree.
I do wonder, though, why the crew chief didn't overrule the call on the spot. Had the umpiring crew gotten together right then to consult, I have to believe that the other three would have told the first-base ump that he'd blown the call.
| 636 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:47:57am |
re: #626 theheat
They're all backed by the GOP, whether it be on the local level, or higher up. You sure don't see the GOP calling these assholes out when they win. Not a peep while they're running. No one says, "Pricks like you aren't welcome here, so get the fuck out."
All that matters is another mark goes on the GOP side when they succeed. It's like hot dogs; nobody cares what goes in them.
But your incorrect. The state GOP IS taking this guy to task
You're aso incorrect saying that "they're all backed by the GOP"
David Duke has run as both a Repub adn a Dem and was backed by neither when he did
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:48:41am |
re: #624 Joo-LiZ
A very good point. Israel is trying to fight two wars at once, a PR war and an actual war to protect their citizens. It is no wonder that they prioritize the actual effort to protect their citizens.
That being said, many of the well-meaning critics of Israeli policy-- like internal, Israeli critics-- are making the case that the two things cannot be separated, and that the PR war is an aspect of directly protecting the citizenry.
But it is still, in my opinion, true that no matter what the PR damage, it would be unacceptable to let the flotilla dock in Gaza without inspection first. The actual physical defense will always have to come first, if only so that Israel doesn't appear weak.
That is the biggest problem that I have with this raid, was not any concern for the 'activists', but that it showed Israeli commandos being overpowered.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:48:48am |
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:48:56am |
re: #618 Killgore Trout
The Corrie is owned by the Free Gaza Movement, but that's an amalgamation of dozens of anti-Israel groups including the ISM. However, the FGM partnered with the IHH to make the blockade run that ended up with the flotilla incident.
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stevemcg Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:48:57am |
re: #571 MandyManners
If you must tell the cops that you are invoking the Fifth, then I hope that the cops will have to tell you.
Granted. The problem with this case was that Thompkins never actually said he was taking the fifth, or anything like that. It seems already that if you tell them you were taking the fifth, they have to stop. I don't think this decision actually changes anything, they just ruled against the guy who didn't say he was taking the fifth, but also wasn't 100% silent.
The only relevant question he answered during the interrogation was whether he prayed for forgiveness for shooting the victim. Thompkins says that after 2 and a half hours he was tired and misunderstood the question. But the prosecution argued that he did not "take the fifth" and while he was generally unresponsive, he wasn't 100% unresponsive, leading the interrogators to believe he wasn't taking the right to remain silent and that he might say something.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:49:06am |
re: #635 garhighway
Agree.
I do wonder, though, why the crew chief didn't overrule the call on the spot. Had the umpiring crew gotten together right then to consult, I have to believe that the other three would have told the first-base ump that he'd blown the call.
That would have (should have) been the way to go
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:49:22am |
re: #596 Obdicut
That statement accuses the United States of 'buy[ing] Israeli blood'. That is such a goddamn odious thing to say I have no clue what you're thinking. You seriously think US aid to Israel is a bribe to let Israeli's die so that weapons can reach Gaza?
Furthermore, the US is the best ally in the world of Israel. Israel deserves more, and better allies, it deserves in some ways better treatment by the US-- but the loudest voices speaking on behalf of Israel are from the US, like Rep. Weiner's.
I was responding (albeit sarcastically) to the suggestion that $2.5B in US aid to Israel gives the administration the right to dictate to Israel that their blockade of Gaza is not "sustainable" and that the free flow of goods to Gaza is required. Of course such a one-sided statement from the Secretary of State purposefully ignores the fact that the direct consequence of her dictat will be to allow more missiles into Gaza with consequent loss of Israeli lives.
As you know Rep. Weiner is not a member of the administration, and thank God that Congress still appears to be staunchly pro-Israel.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:49:31am |
re: #621 Obdicut
Very good point. The self-controlled racists are more frightening.
There's a man who posts holocaust denial on a WWII history website I visit. He's erudite, witty, intelligent, and usually well-mannered. Only occasionally does he let the mask slip and the rabid hatred of Jews emerge. He is far more dangerous and far more scary than the morons who come onto the forum to blather obvious Jew-hate.
I met a lunatic fringe fellow in London who was a WWII denier. He insisted that the entire war was just staged in order to rid participant countries of excess population and promote forced urban renewal.
He pointed out Nazi plans to tear down and rebuild most all German inner cities: the very ones destroyed by "Allied bombing" in WWII, while most everyone was hiding in bunkers underground and the rest were blinded by anti-aircraft searchlights...
To sarc tag, this fellow really went on like that.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:49:57am |
The latest from CNN:
Irish Free Gaza ship heading toward Gaza coast
The MV Rachel Corrie, an Irish cargo ship that passengers say is loaded with humanitarian aid for Gaza, is 150 miles away from the Palestinian territory and will arrive there on Saturday, according to the Free Gaza movement, which owns the vessel.
Nineteen people, including activists and crew members, were aboard the vessel and were determined to reach Gaza in spite of the Israeli naval blockade, passengers told CNN.
"We're not prepared to turn around," said Irish Nobel peace laureate Mairead Maguire, who is aboard the ship. "We are prepared to go straight to Gaza."
Where the ship will go once it nears Gaza remained unclear.
"We will stay within the international waters," said Maguire. "If Israel refuses that we get into Gaza and insists on boarding our boat, then we will sit down as non-violent activists. We will be very peaceful. We will not resist the Israeli navy coming aboard, arresting us and taking us by force to Ashdod, but we will not turn around. We will keep going."
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:50:15am |
re: #633 albusteve
call a congressional investigation!...actually reversing the call would set a bad precedent don't you think?...after all this is the sport where stats are fueled by steroids
And, typically, Obama does nothing about it...
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Joo-LiZ Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:50:48am |
re: #637 Obdicut
A very good point. Israel is trying to fight two wars at once, a PR war and an actual war to protect their citizens. It is no wonder that they prioritize the actual effort to protect their citizens.
That being said, many of the well-meaning critics of Israeli policy-- like internal, Israeli critics-- are making the case that the two things cannot be separated, and that the PR war is an aspect of directly protecting the citizenry.
But it is still, in my opinion, true that no matter what the PR damage, it would be unacceptable to let the flotilla dock in Gaza without inspection first. The actual physical defense will always have to come first, if only so that Israel doesn't appear weak.
That is the biggest problem that I have with this raid, was not any concern for the 'activists', but that it showed Israeli commandos being overpowered.
That is also part of the problem. Israel is being pilloried from both ends: The West for "massacreing innocent, unarmed, humanitarians" on the one side, and from Israel on the other side "How could we have been so stupid as to not see this coming? Keep our boy safe, and deal with these mercenaries as you have to -- but do it RIGHT!"
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:50:48am |
re: #638 Killgore Trout
I think so.
Someone mentioned above that the list of passengers seems to be dominated by Malaysians. Three that I know of. Two Irish. One of the Irish was on the recent flotilla.
| 648 |
William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:51:19am |
re: #622 Alouette
Of course not. Doing something like that would require Selig to have a pair & he was put in as puppet^h^h^h^h^h^hcommissioner because he doesn't. No threat to the ruling oligarchy.
William
| 649 |
albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:51:21am |
re: #645 ralphieboy
And, typically, Obama does nothing about it...
Bush would have been all over that call!
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:52:14am |
In addition, there is a three-member camera crew on board from Malaysia TV3 and journalis Shamsul Akmar bin Musa Kamal.
[Link: www.freegaza.org...]
| 651 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:52:14am |
More racist Republicans in Arizona....
Prescott school mural's racial themes spark debate
He attributes the start of the racial controversy to recent comments that Prescott City Councilman Steve Blair made on his KYCA radio talk show about the mural.On his May 21 show, for instance, Blair said, "I am not a racist individual, but I will tell you depicting a black guy in the middle of that mural, based upon who's president of the United States today and based upon the history of this community when I grew up, we had four black families — who I have been very good friends with for years — to depict the biggest picture on that building as a black person, I would have to ask the question, 'Why?'"
....
Wall said that the "pressure" reached such a level this past week that his group has been asked to lighten the faces of the mural's main subject, as well as the other children in the mural."They want us to lighten up the forehead and the cheeks (of the boy in the center), and make him look like he is coming into the light," Wall said, adding that school officials asked to have all of the children's faces appear more "radiant and happy."
That work began this past Sunday, when Wall and co-artist Pamela Smith began lightening up a portion of the boy's forehead. The work will continue during the next several days.
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Liberal Classic Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:52:53am |
re: #604 albusteve
Last week, House and Senate legislators released bipartisan plans to speed up the deployment of electric vehicles. In each plan, the centerpiece was a "targeted deployment" approach: Rather than offer the same incentives nationwide, the government would award federal funds to the regions that come up with the best blueprints for rolling out tens of thousands of plug-in cars.
feds crawl deeper into the car business...they won't secure the borders, but they feel they should sell cars...hello UAW?
[Link: www.scientificamerican.com...]
I don't think the government can overcome the obstacles that electric cars pose simply by offering tax incentives, adopting standards, etc. Until battery-powered vehicles are truly a substitute good for combustion vehicles, or the expense of operating a combustion vehicle overcomes the limitations inherent in battery-powered vehicles (i.e. range, charging time) then they are unlikely to be widely adopted by the broader automotive public.
| 653 |
MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:53:56am |
Passenger lists of past trips.
[Link: www.freegaza.org...]
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theheat Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:54:54am |
re: #636 sattv4u2
In the past year, that makes one guy they've decided to take down. Maybe take down. And whether or not it goes past a public slap on the wrist for appearance's sake remains to be seen. If this was a consistent policy, he's the tip of the iceberg.
| 655 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:55:31am |
re: #642 Spare O'Lake
The Gaza situation is not sustainable. It is not sustainable because Hamas is not a legitimate government and will continue to destroy its infrastructure in its effort to wage war against the US, to thuggishly intimidate the population, to allow anti-Israel and anti-Jewish propaganda to be the main intellectual diet of Palestinians. It is not sustainable because all the other Arab states have a vested interest in prolonging the conflict, as can easily be seen by their mistreatment and abuse of Palestinian refugees.
That being said, I have not seen Hilary's words in any sort of context whatsoever, just the one line, taken out of context. I think that parsing statements to find one line that can be viewed in the most negative light is a fool's game.
| 656 |
garhighway Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:55:56am |
re: #652 Liberal Classic
I don't think the government can overcome the obstacles that electric cars pose simply by offering tax incentives, adopting standards, etc. Until battery-powered vehicles are truly a substitute good for combustion vehicles, or the expense of operating a combustion vehicle overcomes the limitations inherent in battery-powered vehicles (i.e. range, charging time) then they are unlikely to be widely adopted by the broader automotive public.
The deeper question is whether this is an appropriate area for federal government action. Should the mix of cars sold in the US, and their aggregate energy consumption, be something left to the free market, or is there a government role there?
| 657 |
albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:57:24am |
Obama has big problems. No doubt about that. To be considered as incompetent as Jimmy Carter, and as sleazy as Rod Blagojevich, is no one's idea of "good news" on even the worst of days in the White House.
Meanwhile, Obama and his comrades face the drip, drip, drip of scandal as revelations about bribing candidates with government jobs if they will drop out of a political race in favor of Obama's pick make news. Exactly as fallen former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich is charged with doing. Obama aides will testify at that trial, and the nation will see that Barack Obama has a long history of engaging in the sleaziest of Chicago-style political deal-making.
[Link: thehill.com...]
| 658 |
King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:57:49am |
And then there's this...
| 659 |
wrenchwench Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:57:53am |
re: #618 Killgore Trout
Is this ship another IHH operation? I'm starting to think last week's incident was a plan to bolster the Islamist political parties in Turkey and sabotage Turkey's relationship with Israel. It worked.
That's what I was thinking too. This has more to do with internal Turkish politics than it does with "humanitarian aid."
| 660 |
KingKenrod Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:57:54am |
re: #627 sattv4u2
He can't, really.
If he DID, there will be a steady stream of past and future calls made that the participants will demand be changed
Selig should have asked the owners to change the rules so that the commissioner can overrule a call on the field in the very narrow circumstance of a blown perfect game whose outcome is not reasonably in question (for instance, if the game were tied 0-0). Selig might even have been able to change the rule himself using the "best interests of baseball" power. The only thing stopping him would be angry owners, and I think the owners would probably be supportive, since giving Galarraga the perfect game would be great PR.
| 661 |
albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:58:31am |
re: #652 Liberal Classic
I don't think the government can overcome the obstacles that electric cars pose simply by offering tax incentives, adopting standards, etc. Until battery-powered vehicles are truly a substitute good for combustion vehicles, or the expense of operating a combustion vehicle overcomes the limitations inherent in battery-powered vehicles (i.e. range, charging time) then they are unlikely to be widely adopted by the broader automotive public.
when the time is right, electric cars will fly of the shelves and it's best the feds let it happen without their 'help'
| 662 |
King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:58:50am |
re: #660 KingKenrod
Selig should have asked the owners to change the rules so that the commissioner can overrule a call on the field in the very narrow circumstance of a blown perfect game whose outcome is not reasonably in question (for instance, if the game were tied 0-0). Selig might even have been able to change the rule himself using the "best interests of baseball" power. The only thing stopping him would be angry owners, and I think the owners would probably be supportive, since giving Galarraga the perfect game would be great PR.
He can.
| 663 |
cliffster Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:58:54am |
Car takes flight at DFW. Dude, you drive to the airport, then you fly in the plane. Got it?
| 664 |
theheat Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:58:58am |
re: #656 garhighway
Federal regulations could certainly dictate the direction automobiles take, and shape the market "indirectly".
| 666 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:00:34am |
re: #648 wlewisiii
Of course not. Doing something like that would require Selig to have a pair; he was put in as puppet commissioner because he doesn't. No threat to the ruling oligarchy.
William
OLIGARHY!!1
| 667 |
cliffster Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:00:48am |
| 668 |
abaleh Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:00:52am |
re: #658 Cannadian Club Akbar
I just noticed the Captain Stabbing reference, LOL.
(Just as long as they don't dis vickey)
| 669 |
albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:01:03am |
re: #665 Obdicut
Cheri Jacobus is a grade-A pundit twit.
so what?....you have a beef with her opinion, spill it
| 670 |
Ericus58 Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:01:56am |
| 671 |
theheat Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:02:09am |
re: #657 albusteve
Wow, someone's having bigtime wet dreams. Kinda reminds me of all the lefty's dashed dreams to impeach Bush. Like, Lucy pulling the football away. Again. Then some more.
Ain't gonna happen. Not in the cards.
| 672 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:02:13am |
re: #669 albusteve
What struck you as well-argued about her article, Steve?
| 673 |
ryannon Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:03:18am |
re: #288 NJDhockeyfan
He'd lived longer in Turkey than in the United States - since he was six years old, I believe.
| 674 |
albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:06:28am |
re: #672 Obdicut
What struck you as well-argued about her article, Steve?
I didn't say it was well argued...what strikes you to make things up?...I'm merely posting what others are thinking, what perceptions are evolving about BO
| 675 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:06:42am |
re: #655 Obdicut
Too bad Hillary did not say or mean what you said in the first paragraph of your comment, because then I would have wholehearedly agreed with her.
| 676 |
ShaunP Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:07:02am |
re: #669 albusteve
so what?...you have a beef with her opinion, spill it
It's making issue of a non-issue. And foaming at the mouth while doing it. Blagojevich was selling a senate seat; to suggest that is even comparable is bordering on intentionally obtuse...
| 677 |
albusteve Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:08:00am |
re: #676 ShaunP
It's making issue of a non-issue. And foaming at the mouth while doing it. Blagojevich was selling a senate seat; to suggest that is even comparable is bordering on intentionally obtuse...
that's the way it works
| 678 |
darthstar Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:08:11am |
re: #670 Ericus58
You're late to the party, I already posted this... and it was discussed.
Thanks.
That's what I get for sleeping...
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MandyManners Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:10:21am |
Gotta' get to the salon! Have a great day, Lizards!
| 680 |
cliffster Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:10:48am |
| 681 |
Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:10:54am |
re: #609 lawhawk
Pro Palestinian groups claim that they lost contact, but the report goes on to say:
So, now mechanical trouble with a ship that was launched in 1967 (that's more than 40 years old) is treated as Israel sabotaging the boat and its attempt to run a lawful blockade of Gaza. Gotcha.
And that surprises you how?
| 682 |
cliffster Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:12:39am |
re: #676 ShaunP
It's making issue of a non-issue. And foaming at the mouth while doing it. Blagojevich was selling a senate seat; to suggest that is even comparable is bordering on intentionally obtuse...
It's not a non-issue, and at the same time it's not an impeachable offense by any stretch. Sleaze and slime aren't things you want oozing from the white house.
| 683 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:14:50am |
re: #675 Spare O'Lake
Too bad Hillary did not say or mean what you said in the first paragraph of your comment, because then I would have wholehearedly agreed with her.
What did she say, in context? Do you know?
| 684 |
Liberal Classic Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:24:46am |
re: #661 albusteve
when the time is right, electric cars will fly of the shelves and it's best the feds let it happen without their 'help'
No doubt about that. The problem is the energy storage of chemical batteries. Otherwise, electric cars are every bit as good as combustion counterparts.
Batteries made from even the lightest metals (lithium) have less total energy storage per unit mass, and they release that energy more slowly than chemical fuels. This is what makes combustion engines good: the fuel. It takes minutes to refuel. Chemical fuels release their energy very quickly and store more energy per unit mass. The end result is so you can get farther, faster, than with batteries. Even alcohol, which has lower specific energy and specific power than gasoline, is a better storage medium than lithium batteries.
I think there's a niche for electric cars as commuter vehicles. I read somewhere (which I had source, sorry) that many two-car households have one car that is predominately used for short trips. This might be a place where a battery vehicle could be a substitute good.
I also think electric drives with combustion generators are the next logical step. I don't hold out much hope in the near term for fuel cell technology. Storage of hydrogen generally requires high pressure or low temperature, neither of which is necessary for chemical fuels or batteries.
However, economic conditions need to change in order for them to be viable to manufacture and service. I don't think we're there quite yet.
| 685 |
Liberal Classic Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:26:35am |
re: #656 garhighway
The deeper question is whether this is an appropriate area for federal government action. Should the mix of cars sold in the US, and their aggregate energy consumption, be something left to the free market, or is there a government role there?
Is this question really deep?
| 686 |
Jadespring Fri, Jun 4, 2010 9:34:16am |
re: #684 Liberal Classic
N
I think there's a niche for electric cars as commuter vehicles. I read somewhere (which I had source, sorry) that many two-car households have one car that is predominately used for short trips. This might be a place where a battery vehicle could be a substitute good.
The describes my household. I've actually looked into getting an electric scooter because much of what I do in the summer are short trips here and there. We have to have a work vehicle though (truck) and something that can go farther a field.
| 688 |
ClaudeMonet Fri, Jun 4, 2010 11:01:56am |
re: #416 Dark_Falcon
I had to go to bed but when Charles got back home he clubbed the Uss Liberty Conspiracy troll two threads down. "Tonic"'s corpse is in cold storage and will be roasted later today.
Troll is much better when cooked fresh. Cold storage diminishes the nutrients and flavor.
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Bagua Fri, Jun 4, 2010 3:10:03pm |
re: #409 Cato the Elder
It's filler text. Fake Latin.
Cato, I'm surprised at you, "Fake Latin"?
It is being used as dummy text of course, but the text is 1.10.32 and 1.10.33 of "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum" (The Extremes of Good and Evil) written in 45 BC by Marcus Tullius Cicero.
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