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When I read something saying I’ve not done anything as good as Catch-22 I’m tempted to reply, “Who has?”
— Joseph Heller
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:18:07pm |
Did I already roger the thread, Roger?
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Irenicum Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:26:08pm |
re: #1 Walter L. Newton
Only if you were a star in Airplane. Can you speak jive?
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TedStriker Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:38:57pm |
re: #2 Irenicum
Only if you were a star in Airplane. Can you speak jive?
No, but Barbara Billingsley can…
;-P
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:50:43pm |
Milo Minderbinder in catch-22 was a true American hero of Capitalism of whom even Sarah Palin could be proud. Let the free market fight our wars for us by contracting our own air forces bomb on our own air bases depending on whoever bids to pay the most for them to hit the target!
/Now that is the Ideal of both the libertarians and the (new)GOP (although it is getting harder to see much difference lately :p)
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SteveMcGazi Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:52:06pm |
I was saddened to see this:
[Link: www.philly.com…]
Manute was never a good ball player, but he always did his best, and I think everybody who knew him knew he was a decent man with a big heart and a great sense of humor.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:55:39pm |
Since this is a “quote” thread, and since it’s so quiet around here:
I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology..
Thomas Jefferson
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:05:53pm |
If there’s ever an obscene noise to be made on an instrument, it’s gonna come out of a guitar! On a sax you can play sleaze, on a bass you can play balls. But on a guitar you can be truly obscene! Lets be realistic about this, the guitar can be the single most blasphemous device on earth! The guitar makes a stink noise. That’s why I like it!!
Word.
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prairiefire Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:06:29pm |
re: #8 Slumbering Behemoth
Since this is a “quote” thread, and since it’s so quiet around here:
I find ol’ Tom to be flawed, fascinating character. Did you know that Sally Hemmings and his wife were half sisters? Sally looked quite a bit like his dead wife. Leads me to speculate…
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:12:19pm |
re: #8 Slumbering Behemoth
Since this is a “quote” thread, and since it’s so quiet around here:
John Adams, 2nd U.S. President, Diplomat
“I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of humankind has preserved—the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!”
Susan B. Anthony, Suffragist Leader
“They never seem to think we have any feelings to be hurt when we have to sit under their reiteration of orthodox cant and
dogma. The boot is all on one foot with the dear religious bigots….”
Clarence Darrow, Jurist
“I don’t believe in God because I don’t believe in Mother Goose.”
Thomas Edison, Inventor
“Religion is bunk.”
Ralph Waldo Emerson, Poet
“As men’s prayers are a disease of the will, so are their creeds a disease of the intellect.”
Benjamin Franklin, Statesman, Inventor
“Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.”
Aristotle, Philosopher, Writer, Teacher
“A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider godfearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side.”
Anaxagoras, Greek philosopher 475BC
“Everything has a natural explanation. The moon is not a god but a great rock and the sun a hot rock.”
Abraham Lincoln, 16th U.S. President
“The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma.”
James Madison, 4th U.S. President, Political Theorist
“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or
less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.”
Friedrich Nietzsche, German Philosopher
“Faith means not wanting to know what is true. The Christian faith is from the beginning a sacrifice; sacrifice of all freedom, all pride, all self-confidence of the human spirit, at the same time enslavement. In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point. Once the concept of ‘nature’ had to be the word for ‘reprehensible’, this entire fictional world has its roots in hatred of the natural, the actual.”
Thomas Paine, U.S. Revolutionary Leader, Author and Pamphleteer
“I sincerely detest the Bible as I detest everything that is cruel. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize humankind.”
Seneca, Roman Philosopher
“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”
Mark Twain, Author, humorist
“It ain’t those parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it’s the parts I do understand.”
George Washington, 1st U.S. President, Revolutionary
“Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.”
A few more along that theme for you, still an argument from authority logical fallacy though, I don’t care who said what, it doesn’t mean they were right. ;)
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prairiefire Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:14:07pm |
re: #11 ausador
Yes, they have all said those things. I still have my faith and know how the Lord has healed my heart. : )
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laZardo Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:17:12pm |
re: #11 ausador
Also, when Karl Marx called religion the “opiate of the people,” opium was actually legal.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:17:35pm |
re: #12 prairiefire
Yes, they have all said those things. I still have my faith and know how the Lord has healed my heart. : )
You did read the last line of my comment right?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:17:56pm |
re: #11 ausador
Wow, you really went all out. This isn’t a competition for down-dings, you know. :)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:21:55pm |
Oops, almost forgot…
re: #11 ausador
A few more along that theme for you, still an argument from authority logical fallacy though, I don’t care who said what, it doesn’t mean they were right. ;)
… I’m not arguing anything, and the only thing a “famous quote” can prove is the thoughts and mindsets of those quoted.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:22:28pm |
I get these things in my e-mail every week, someone signed me up for some “Secular student alliance” thingie somehow. One; I am not secular, two; I am not a student, but it is interesting to read both their rants and all the cherry picked quotes…ehh, no biggie.
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prairiefire Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:22:29pm |
re: #14 ausador
Yes, I did. Just asserting my opinion. How are your Dad and Mom? I hope you all have a nice Father’s day.
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laZardo Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:23:21pm |
“Belief in evolution precludes a belief in religion.
Contrary to Lao Stinky, you can trust me.”
- yours truly
/ q;
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:26:51pm |
re: #17 ausador
One; I am not secular
Just curious, what does that mean to you? I am honestly not trying to be antagonistic, just wondering what you mean by that.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:28:18pm |
re: #19 laZardo
“Belief in evolution precludes a belief in religion.
Contrary to Lao Stinky, you can trust me.”- yours truly
/ q;
Shit! Everyone straighten your ties and lower your skirts. Pat Robertson is posting here.
/I kid.
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laZardo Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:31:00pm |
re: #21 Slumbering Behemoth
Shit! Everyone straighten your ties and lower your skirts.
How did you know I tie little mirrors into my shoelaces? ):
/
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:46:16pm |
I was born and raised methodist, later mom went over to the crazy side of evangelical (speaking in tongues, the pre-apocalyptic rapture, etc..) and I couldn’t muster the faith to follow. I became agnostic eventually and then went on to become a rather rabid atheist. No one could say anything about faith in my presence without my attempting to “set them straight” both in person and online.
I eventually found my way back to personal faith, but it is just that, personal. I attend no church because frankly I think that they are all completely full of shit to put it rather bluntly. I believe that Saul/Paul was a corrupter of Jesus’s message and a false prophet who led the church, especially the Roman Catholic Church into false worship and beliefs.
I believe that Jesus had the right idea about God but not in the way that is currently preached by the churches that claim to represent him. I call myself a Christian again now but I am also often highly critical of the many forms of the Church and also of others who call themselves Christian.
I am not your usual American evangelical “Christian” but something a bit…weirder.
“And that’s all I have to say about that”-Forest Gump
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swamprat Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:51:52pm |
Let me know when they open St Darwin’s Hospital.
Or when the combined deaths caused by churches, and religious wars, catches up to the deaths caused by Communism.
Or we could drop this mindless agitation and accept that individual people have individual experiences and reasoning and have come to individual conclusions.
Or we could continue to stir about things we cannot prove and cannot change.
Hey, it’s all good.
And who knew atheism had an evangelical branch? We’re good until the day you come knocking on my door wanting donations, or membership; the Jehovah witnesses are already working that corner. And frankly, they are working it way too hard.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:53:50pm |
re: #24 ausador
Wow, I wasn’t asking all that, but thanks. I was just curious what not “being secular” meant to you.
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laZardo Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:58:08pm |
I’m a don’tgiveafuckist. We all die, rot and be forgot, but given that we’re all very, very miraculously lucky to even be here at this moment we might as well savor it while it lasts.
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Mich-again Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:58:24pm |
My quote for the thread..
Motivation is simple. You eliminate those who are not motivated.
Lou Holtz
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 19, 2010 11:58:40pm |
re: #25 swamprat
Let me know when they open St Darwin’s Hospital.
In regards to what, exactly?
Or when the combined deaths caused by churches, and religious wars, catches up to the deaths caused by Communism.
Again. In regards to what, exactly?
Or we could drop this mindless agitation and accept that individual people have individual experiences and reasoning and have come to individual conclusions.
Or we could continue to stir about things we cannot prove and cannot change.
Wow, that was not my intention at all. Apologies to all that may have inferred such.
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swamprat Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:00:03am |
I am going to light a candle to Brigid to end all religious strife on this blog.
I figure that as a Catholic Saint, a Pagan Goddess and a Voodoo Deity, she should have enough karmic pull to do the job.
If that doesn’t work I will sacrifice a jackalope, when the moon is over walmart.
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RadicalModerate Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:00:37am |
Just tossed a story that Playboy magazine recently put out anonymously-written by a K-Street consultant to the Tea Party movement that should raise a few eyebrows into the LGF Pages area.
Some of the author’s claims (pasted from a HuffPo writeup on the same story):
# Tea Party strategists have “quietly acquired Service Employees International Union shirts to wear at Tea Party rallies,” which he or she describes as the equivalent of “handing out TSA uniforms in Kabul.”
# Sarah Palin isn’t the leader of the movement. Big Government’s Andrew Breitbart is. “Breitbart is one of them, except smarter, better connected and angrier; compared with him, Palin is Las Vegas dinner theater. That’s why he is loved by Tea Partyers in a way Palin can never hope to be loved.”
# Strategists deliberately try to stir up rage among average Americans, calculating that it’s much easier to push a political movement if it’s deeply frightened than if it’s entirely hopeful. “We’re playing to the reptilian brain rather than the logic centers, so we look for key words and images to leverage the intense rage and anxiety of white working-class conservatives,” the consultant writes. “In other words, I talk to the same part of your brain that causes road rage.”
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:02:13am |
re: #27 laZardo
I’m a don’tgiveafuckist.
Is there tithing, or do y’all just chip in for beer? Cuz if it’s the latter, I think I may just be a Don’tgiveafuckist as well.
Unless there are prohibitions against Tri-Tip, that would totally rule me out as a DGAFist.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:03:19am |
re: #33 Slumbering Behemoth
Do you really care?
/if you answered no, WELCOME TO THE CLUB! 8D
//also brb barber
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swamprat Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:04:38am |
re: #24 ausador
I have come to my own conclusions also. I don’t agree with yours, but I don’t have to.
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swamprat Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:05:36am |
re: #27 laZardo
I’m a don’tgiveafuckist. We all die, rot and be forgot, but given that we’re all very, very miraculously lucky to even be here at this moment we might as well savor it while it lasts.
Ohh, I like that.
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tradewind Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:09:04am |
WIN & any others….this is short ‘cause posting by iPhone kinda sucks in 3g, but just have to say…eating dinner @ PCG,look down, & sonufabitch…2000 or so naked people coming across the bridge, headlights and all./ On bikes!!
Cops are resigned but instead of arresting them, they’re
protecting ‘em from irate and stuck drivers.
Only in Portland!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:09:44am |
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swamprat Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:10:36am |
re: #37 tradewind
WIN & any others…this is short ‘cause posting by iPhone kinda sucks in 3g, but just have to say…eating dinner @ PCG,look down, & sonufabitch…2000 or so naked people coming across the bridge, headlights and all./ On bikes!!
Cops are resigned but instead of arresting them, they’re
protecting ‘em from irate and stuck drivers.
Only in Portland!
Thanks for the realtime tweet, tw!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:11:10am |
re: #34 laZardo
Do you really care?
About Tri-Tip? You’re fuckin-A right I do.
/It’s like you don’t even know me…
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:11:15am |
“Secular” leaves kind of a bad taste in my mouth just because of the early secular humanist manifestos and writings, it was nothing but very poorly repackaged communistic ideals with a word changed here and there.
Sort of like repackaging creationism and calling it intelligent design, “yeah it looks exactly the same, but trust me, it is completely different.” Bahh!
I realize you probably meant in the church/state context and in that instance I am most definitely “secular” (ugh). But as far as separating my faith from my political views or my morals, in those instances I am definitely not.
Hope that answers you a bit more directly.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:14:41am |
re: #42 ausador
And here I thought you meant you weren’t a diocesan priest, whatever that is.
/Ya learn something new every day…
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:17:06am |
re: #44 Slumbering Behemoth
Pfft! Crappy linkage. Check “2 Secular (noun)”
/way to ruin a joke, Behemoth
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tradewind Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:17:07am |
re: #40 swamprat
Was a couple hours ago but just had to share.
The PDX ers love to brag but there are some sights that
just can’t be unseen./
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:18:39am |
Stephen Colbert interviewing members of the group Devo on his show last week:
“I don’t belive in devolution because I don’t believe in evolution. I believe in Intelligent Decline!”
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:20:05am |
re: #35 swamprat
I have come to my own conclusions also. I don’t agree with yours, but I don’t have to.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:22:44am |
re: #46 tradewind
Was a couple hours ago but just had to share.
The PDX ers love to brag but there are some sights that
just can’t be unseen./
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swamprat Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:24:49am |
We are the culmination of millions of years of evolution and/or the manifestations of an Omnipotent Creator…
and either way
we are sorely lacking.
But we are here, and we may as well enjoy the ride.
Good night.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:41:55am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jun 20, 2010 1:47:15am |
re: #47 ralphieboy
Stephen Colbert interviewing members of the group Devo on his show last week:
“I don’t belive in devolution because I don’t believe in evolution. I believe in Intelligent Decline!”
The Devo interview in the Onion book I own is totally genius :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jun 20, 2010 1:49:20am |
re: #37 tradewind
WIN & any others…this is short ‘cause posting by iPhone kinda sucks in 3g, but just have to say…eating dinner @ PCG,look down, & sonufabitch…2000 or so naked people coming across the bridge, headlights and all./ On bikes!!
Cops are resigned but instead of arresting them, they’re
protecting ‘em from irate and stuck drivers.
Only in Portland!
Resigned? Lady, it’s legal here! That would be our Cacophony Society, doing their thing, when my parents came to visit a couple years ago, they raced naked right by the brewpub we were eating at.
My town, I’m gonna die here, best town in the world. Squares need not apply!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jun 20, 2010 1:51:21am |
re: #49 ausador
This is why we love to brag: Image: r1-162.jpg
I swear, some people shit themselves over seeing naked people, it’s pretty sad. I’ve been drawing naked people, and not the airbrushed fake kind, in art studios since I was 15. It’s human beings, y’all gotta grow up!
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engineer cat Sun, Jun 20, 2010 2:21:59am |
drive by posting while drunk comment for quote thread
“‘i don’t know’ is the beginning of knowledge”
- mr spock, star trek
possibly somebody else originated this wise saying before mr spock pronounced it
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ryannon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 2:32:15am |
Now that we’ve separated the men from the boys, a beautiful one by Mandalay: Not Seventeen.
Real men listen to Mandalay.
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engineer cat Sun, Jun 20, 2010 2:43:45am |
re: #56 ryannon
Now that we’ve separated the men from the boys, a beautiful one by Mandalay: Not Seventeen.
Real men listen to Mandalay.
i’ll see your mandalay and raise you one music for 18 musiciana
by steve reich
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ryannon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 2:47:13am |
re: #57 engineer dog
i’ll see your mandalay and raise you one music for 18 musiciana
by steve reich
Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful - one of my favorite composers/musicians, but not comparable!
Still, it’s good to know that there’s someone here who’s conception of great music doesn’t begin with LedZep and end with Queen.
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ryannon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 2:50:18am |
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PT Barnum Sun, Jun 20, 2010 2:50:48am |
re: #59 ryannon
Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful - one of my favorite composers/musicians, but not comparable!
Still, it’s good to know that there’s someone here who’s conception of great music doesn’t begin with LedZep and end with Queen.
If it ain’t baroque don’t fix it.
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ryannon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 2:56:51am |
re: #61 PT Barnum
If it ain’t baroque don’t fix it.
Not mutually exclusive: great music is, well, great!
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engineer cat Sun, Jun 20, 2010 2:58:03am |
re: #59 ryannon
Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful - one of my favorite composers/musicians, but not comparable!
Still, it’s good to know that there’s someone here who’s conception of great music doesn’t begin with LedZep and end with Queen.
:-)
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engineer cat Sun, Jun 20, 2010 3:15:45am |
re: #62 ryannon
Not mutually exclusive: great music is, well, great!
[Video]
i’ll tell you a story - when i came to first look at the house i am now living in, and am in right now, the real estate agent had a classical music station playing. the tune that was coming over the radio at the moment that i was talking to her was Lully’s Marche por La Ceremonie Turque, which was already my favorite piece of his
i took it as a omen, which helped me make the decision to buy this house that i enjoy so much
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PT Barnum Sun, Jun 20, 2010 3:22:43am |
re: #62 ryannon
Not mutually exclusive: great music is, well, great!
[Video]
Oh I agree. My tastes are quite eclectic.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jun 20, 2010 4:41:01am |
Good Morning everyone.. Happy Fathers day!!
For all you dads who hunt out there, a little advice I received this morning from a friend:
Subject: Deer Hunters Advice
Author unknown - (probably for good reason!)
Actual letter from someone who ranches, writes well, and tried this:
I had this idea that I could rope a deer, put it in a stall, feed it up on corn for a couple of weeks, then kill it and eat it.
The first step in this adventure was getting a deer. I figured that, since they congregate at my cattle feeder and do not seem to have much fear of me when we are there (a bold one will sometimes come right up and sniff at the bags of feed while I am in the back of the truck not 4 feet away), it should not be difficult to rope one, get up to it and toss a bag over its head (to calm it down) then hog tie it and transport it home.
I filled the cattle feeder then hid down at the end with my rope. The cattle, having seen the roping thing before, stayed well back. They were not having any of it. After about 20 minutes, my deer showed up— 3 of them. I picked out a likely looking one, stepped out from the end of the feeder, and threw my rope. The deer just stood there and stared at me. I wrapped the rope around my waist and twisted the end so I would have a good hold.
The deer still just stood and stared at me, but you could tell it was mildly concerned about the whole rope situation. I took a step towards it, it took a step away. I put a little tension on the rope, and then received an education.
The first thing that I learned is that, while a deer may just stand there looking at you funny while you rope it, they are spurred to action when you start pulling on that rope.
That deer EXPLODED. The second thing I learned is that pound for pound, a deer is a LOT stronger than a cow or a colt. A cow or a colt in that weight range I could fight down with a rope and with some dignity. A deer — no chance.
That thing ran and bucked and twisted and pulled. There was no controlling it and certainly no getting close to it. As it jerked me off my feet and started dragging me across the ground, it occurred to me that having a deer on a rope was not nearly as good an idea as I had originally imagined. The only upside is that they do not have as much stamina as many other animals.
A brief 10 minutes later, it was tired and not nearly as quick to jerk me off my feet and drag me when I managed to get up. It took me a few minutes to realize this, since I was mostly blinded by the blood flowing out of the big gash in my head. At that point, I had lost my taste for corn-fed venison. I just wanted to get that devil creature off the end of that rope.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jun 20, 2010 4:43:01am |
I figured if I just let it go with the rope hanging around its neck, it would likely die slow and painfully somewhere. At the time, there was no love at all between me and that deer. At that moment, I hated the thing, and I would venture a guess that the feeling was mutual.
Despite the gash in my head and the several large knots where I had cleverly arrested the deer’s momentum by bracing my head against various large rocks as it dragged me across the ground, I could still think clearly enough to recognize that there was a small chance that I shared some tiny amount of responsibility for the situation we were in. I didn’t want the deer to have to suffer a slow death, so I managed to get it lined back up in between my truck and the feeder - a little trap I had set before hand…kind of like a squeeze chute. I got it to back in there and I started moving up so I could get my rope back.
Did you know that deer bite?
They do! I never in a million years would have thought that a deer would bite somebody, so I was very surprised when … I reached up there to grab that rope and the deer grabbed hold of my wrist. Now, when a deer bites you, it is not like being bit by a horse where they just bite you and then let go. A deer bites you and shakes its head—almost like a pit bull. They bite HARD and it hurts.
The proper thing to do when a deer bites you is probably to freeze and draw back slowly. I tried screaming and shaking instead. My method was ineffective.
It seems like the deer was biting and shaking for several minutes, but it was likely only several seconds. I, being smarter than a deer (though you may be questioning that claim by now), tricked it. While I kept it busy tearing the tendons out of my right arm, I reached up with my left hand and pulled that rope loose.
That was when I got my final lesson in deer behavior for the day.
Deer will strike at you with their front feet. They rear right up on their back feet and strike right about head and shoulder level, and their hooves are surprisingly sharp. I learned a long time ago that, when an animal —like a horse —strikes at you with their hooves and you can’t get away easily, the best thing to do is try to make a loud noise and make an aggressive move towards the animal. This will usually cause them to back down a bit so you can escape.
This was not a horse. This was a deer, so obviously, such trickery would not work.. In the course of a millisecond, I devised a different strategy. I screamed like a woman and tried to turn and run. The reason I had always been told NOT to try to turn and run from a horse that paws at you is that there is a good chance that it will hit you in the back of the head. Deer may not be so different from horses after all, besides being twice as strong and 3 times as evil, because the second I turned to run, it hit me right in the back of the head and knocked me down.
Now, when a deer paws at you and knocks you down, it does not immediately leave. I suspect it does not recognize that the danger has passed. What they do instead is paw your back and jump up and down on you while you are laying there crying like a little girl and covering your head.
I finally managed to crawl under the truck and the deer went away. So now I know why when people go deer hunting they bring a rifle with a scope to sort of even the odds.
All these events are true so help me God…
An Educated Rancher
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ryannon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 4:59:09am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 20, 2010 5:09:16am |
20 years of planning and sweat and tears went into the shitter yesterday.
Aaargh.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jun 20, 2010 5:09:59am |
re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
20 years of planning and sweat and tears went into the shitter yesterday.
Aaargh.
Oh, no, what happened FBV?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 20, 2010 5:12:35am |
19 year old daughter’s 20 year old boyfriend fell off of a four story balcony on Friday night and appears to be paralyzed.
His poor family. But he’s been the girl’s boyfriend for four years.
Now?
College? Chances are dim.
Future? Bleak.
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ryannon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 5:14:49am |
Sorry to hear that - here’s hoping it’s not as bad or bleak as it looks right now.
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RogueOne Sun, Jun 20, 2010 5:16:47am |
re: #73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
19 year old daughter’s 20 year old boyfriend fell off of a four story balcony on Friday night and appears to be paralyzed.
His poor family. But he’s been the girl’s boyfriend for four years.
Now?
College? Chances are dim.
Future? Bleak.
That blows.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jun 20, 2010 5:19:23am |
re: #73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
19 year old daughter’s 20 year old boyfriend fell off of a four story balcony on Friday night and appears to be paralyzed.
His poor family. But he’s been the girl’s boyfriend for four years.
Now?
College? Chances are dim.
Future? Bleak.
OH, my God. I am so sorry..I don’t even know what to say.
Those poor kids, all of you..
I sure wish everyone the best and will say a prayer for him, and everyone.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 20, 2010 5:27:34am |
Silver lining… paralysis is chest down not neck down. Can breathe on his own. Not like Christopher Reeve, more like an Wheelchair Olympian.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 20, 2010 5:52:19am |
re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Silver lining… paralysis is chest down not neck down. Can breathe on his own. Not like Christopher Reeve, more like an Wheelchair Olympian.
God FBV. I read about that last night (top ten comments, unfortunately)
What/Where/How!?!?!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 20, 2010 5:53:10am |
re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
and of course prayers to Kyle and his family, and give your daughter a hug from me
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 20, 2010 5:56:40am |
re: #73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
College? Chances are dim.
Future? Bleak.
Don’t say that
My wifes best friends son is
A) legally blind (he does have some limited sight but need special equipment to see a puter screen, ect)
and
B) has MS
and HE is now a junior at Suffolk University in Boston AND interning at the Mass State House
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 5:58:17am |
re: #73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
19 year old daughter’s 20 year old boyfriend fell off of a four story balcony on Friday night and appears to be paralyzed.
His poor family. But he’s been the girl’s boyfriend for four years.
Now?
College? Chances are dim.
Future? Bleak.
Aw, nuts, FBV. That’s harsh. I hope he heals.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:01:52am |
And, a special shout-out to Kilgore, the TAD DAD!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:03:42am |
re: #86 MandyManners
Hayward went to a yacht race?!
I’ve thought about that and came to the conclusion that it’s much ado about nothing. Much like a Pres taking a day at Camp David I’m sure while having a “day off” he was never too far from communication if something was needed. I’m sure he’s had many a 18-20 hour work day in the last month and a half, “weekends” included
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:06:45am |
Louisiana lawmakers propose prayer to stop oil disaster
While cleanup crews and technical teams continue efforts to stop crude gushing into the Gulf of Mexico, Louisiana lawmakers are proposing a different approach: prayer.
State senators designated Sunday as a day for citizens to ask for God’s help dealing with the oil disaster.
“Thus far efforts made by mortals to try to solve the crisis have been to no avail,” state Sen. Robert Adley said in a statement released after last week’s unanimous vote for the day of prayer. “It is clearly time for a miracle for us.”
The resolution names Sunday as a statewide day of prayer in Louisiana and calls on people of all religions throughout the Gulf Coast “to pray for an end to this environmental emergency, sparing us all from the destruction of both culture and livelihood.”
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:06:50am |
re: #87 MandyManners
HAPPY FATHER’S DAY, LIZARD DADS!
Thansk
Here’s my “Fathers Day” schedule
Been at work since last night with about an hour to go
When I get home I get to drive my son to a friends house where he’ll hang out for a few hours then go to driver ed class from 1-6:30, meanwhile I’ll go back home and sleep
At 6:30 wifey and I will pick my son up, we’ll go out to dinner where she will “pay” using the cash I took out of the bank on my last payday!!
Then home where I’m sure the three of us will retreat to our own TV’s to watch our own shows !!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:09:21am |
An unexpected result for some census takers: the wrath of irate Americans
So far, the Census Bureau has tallied 379 incidents involving assaults or threats on the nation’s 635,000 census workers, more than double the 181 recorded during the 2000 census. Weapons were used or threatened in a third of the cases.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:10:14am |
re: #91 Killgore Trout
State senators designated Sunday as a day for citizens to ask for God’s help dealing with the oil disaster.
those bastards!
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:15:10am |
re: #91 Killgore Trout
Bit of a waste of time, lawmaker wise. How come a church did not think of that, and just have a press conference asking folks to say a prayer?
Not that it can hurt anything, though, but, I suspect the legislature has better ways to spend it’s time.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:16:03am |
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
Retiring Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., helped a casino that earned $1.3 billion last year hit a $54 million jackpot in federal money
Chuck Bunnell, a tribe spokesman and former aide to Dodd who has donated around $9,000 to the senator’s coffers in recent years, told the Hartford Courant that the money will put more than 100 people back to work on a stalled project.
ummm,, why don’t they use some of the 1.3 billion they earn to do that !?!?!?
nothing to see here ,, move along!!
STIMULUS
HOPE
CHANGE
TEA PARTY
PALIN
RON PAUL
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:18:28am |
re: #95 CapeCoddah
Bit of a waste of time, lawmaker wise. How come a church did not think of that, and just have a press conference asking folks to say a prayer?
Not that it can hurt anything, though, but, I suspect the legislature has better ways to spend it’s time.
OH, and I also hope someone has a better idea for stopping the spill. Prayer is not exactly the most reliable means of dealing with the capping/cleanup of an deep sea gusher.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:20:34am |
re: #95 CapeCoddah
Bit of a waste of time, lawmaker wise. How come a church did not think of that, and just have a press conference asking folks to say a prayer?
Not that it can hurt anything, though, but, I suspect the legislature has better ways to spend it’s time.
The paying folks are probably already praying. I don’t think a law is going to help.
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rwdflynavy Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:21:17am |
re: #11 ausador
John Adams, 2nd U.S. President, Diplomat
“I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of humankind has preserved—the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!”Susan B. Anthony, Suffragist Leader
“They never seem to think we have any feelings to be hurt when we have to sit under their reiteration of orthodox cant and
dogma. The boot is all on one foot with the dear religious bigots…”Clarence Darrow, Jurist
“I don’t believe in God because I don’t believe in Mother Goose.”Thomas Edison, Inventor
“Religion is bunk.”Ralph Waldo Emerson, Poet
“As men’s prayers are a disease of the will, so are their creeds a disease of the intellect.”Benjamin Franklin, Statesman, Inventor
“Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.”Aristotle, Philosopher, Writer, Teacher
“A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider godfearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side.”Anaxagoras, Greek philosopher 475BC
“Everything has a natural explanation. The moon is not a god but a great rock and the sun a hot rock.”Abraham Lincoln, 16th U.S. President
“The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma.”James Madison, 4th U.S. President, Political Theorist
“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or
less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.”Friedrich Nietzsche, German Philosopher
“Faith means not wanting to know what is true. The Christian faith is from the beginning a sacrifice; sacrifice of all freedom, all pride, all self-confidence of the human spirit, at the same time enslavement. In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point. Once the concept of ‘nature’ had to be the word for ‘reprehensible’, this entire fictional world has its roots in hatred of the natural, the actual.”Thomas Paine, U.S. Revolutionary Leader, Author and Pamphleteer
“I sincerely detest the Bible as I detest everything that is cruel. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize humankind.”Seneca, Roman Philosopher
“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”Mark Twain, Author, humorist
“It ain’t those parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it’s the parts I do understand.”George Washington, 1st U.S. President, Revolutionary
“Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.”A few more along that theme for you, still an argument from authority logical fallacy though, I don’t care who said what, it doesn’t mean they were right. ;)
The Lord, “The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”” Psalm 14:1
Good Morning Lizards!! Happy Fathers’ Day to the Fathers out there.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:22:01am |
re: #89 sattv4u2
I’ve thought about that and came to the conclusion that it’s much ado about nothing. Much like a Pres taking a day at Camp David I’m sure while having a “day off” he was never too far from communication if something was needed. I’m sure he’s had many a 18-20 hour work day in the last month and a half, “weekends” included
Appearances matter.
A working weekend at Camp David is not the same as a yacht race.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:22:34am |
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rwdflynavy Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:22:39am |
re: #98 Killgore Trout
The paying folks are probably already praying. I don’t think a law is going to help.
“Hell son, I’d piss on a spark plug if I thought it would help!”
General from War Games
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:25:08am |
re: #100 MandyManners
Appearances matter.
A working weekend at Camp David is not the same as a yacht race.
What difference does the event make?
With Bush, the hue and cry was that he was in Texas clearing brush
With Clinton, it was golf or ,, umm,, errr,,, well
With Bush the elder, it was time spent in Maine boating
In my lifetime,l I can go all the way back to Ike where the complaints were (again) that he spent too much time on the golf course
Again, I’m sure he’s been dealing with it 24/7 since day one and I’ll wager that he was even dealing with it while at the race
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:25:42am |
re: #101 MandyManners
You’re welcome. I hope today is hot and sunny.
That’s a bit much to hope for. It’s dark, overcast and cool. We’re still stuck in this weather pattern.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:26:01am |
re: #92 sattv4u2
Thansk
Here’s my “Fathers Day” schedule
Been at work since last night with about an hour to go
When I get home I get to drive my son to a friends house where he’ll hang out for a few hours then go to driver ed class from 1-6:30, meanwhile I’ll go back home and sleep
At 6:30 wifey and I will pick my son up, we’ll go out to dinner where she will “pay” using the cash I took out of the bank on my last payday!!
Then home where I’m sure the three of us will retreat to our own TV’s to watch our own shows !!
Good Morning and happy Father’s day.
I have a lunch date with a lady today and her dog..
It’s a doggie play date!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:26:04am |
re: #102 rwdflynavy
“Hell son, I’d piss on a spark plug if I thought it would help!”
General from War Games
I know. It’s not like it can do any harm and IF it gives some people comfort while they worry about their futures, more power to em!
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:26:50am |
re: #104 sattv4u2
What difference does the event make?
With Bush, the hue and cry was that he was in Texas clearing brush
With Clinton, it was golf or ,, umm,, errr,,, well
With Bush the elder, it was time spent in Maine boating
In my lifetime,l I can go all the way back to Ike where the complaints were (again) that he spent too much time on the golf courseAgain, I’m sure he’s been dealing with it 24/7 since day one and I’ll wager that he was even dealing with it while at the race
Appearances matter. How many people’s lives are ruined yet he’s galivanting around?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:26:53am |
re: #106 HoosierHoops
Good Morning and happy Father’s day.
I have a lunch date with a lady today and her dog..
It’s a doggie play date!
I give your dog a better than even chance of getting lucky
You ,, not so much!!
:)
//
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:27:24am |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
That’s a bit much to hope for. It’s dark, overcast and cool. We’re still stuck in this weather pattern.
Well, I hope it turns into partly cloudy and warmish.
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Boogberg Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:28:08am |
re: #102 rwdflynavy
Haha! Barry Corbin is pretty cool. He was excellent in Northern Exposure.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:28:24am |
re: #108 MandyManners
Appearances matter. How many people’s lives are ruined yet he’s gallivanting around?
{sigh}
I wouldn’t call one day out of the last 2 months “gallivanting around”
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:29:35am |
Irving Lindsey and Nicolene Cravotta coordinated with members of the Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 5281 and the American Legion Post 0407 to honor the veterans with a military funeral Saturday at the First United Presbyterian Church of Blairsville. A flag ceremony followed at the cemetery.
“This is something that needs to be done, because no veteran should be without recognition,” Cravotta said. “I think it’s important.”
SNIP
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SixDegrees Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:30:40am |
re: #98 Killgore Trout
The paying folks are probably already praying. I don’t think a law is going to help.
It isn’t a law.
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rwdflynavy Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:32:54am |
re: #104 sattv4u2
What difference does the event make?
With Bush, the hue and cry was that he was in Texas clearing brush
With Clinton, it was golf or McDonalds
With Bush the elder, it was time spent in Maine boating
In my lifetime,l I can go all the way back to Ike where the complaints were (again) that he spent too much time on the golf courseAgain, I’m sure he’s been dealing with it 24/7 since day one and I’ll wager that he was even dealing with it while at the race
Fixed.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:33:08am |
re: #112 sattv4u2
{sigh}
I wouldn’t call one day out of the last 2 months “gallivanting around”
He’s doing it now.
But, I suppose after the grilling he got the other day pushed his mental resources to the limit.
Good to see he’s getting his life back.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:34:03am |
re: #81 sattv4u2
a “controlled industrial explosion”
Oh, good. That was not the original headline…. glad to see it was nothing.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:34:52am |
re: #116 MandyManners
He’s doing it now.
But, I suppose after the grilling he got the other day pushed his mental resources to the limit.
Good to see he’s getting his life back.
HIS life has been forever tarnished for something he had no direct control or blame over
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:35:47am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:35:49am |
re: #118 sattv4u2
HIS life has been forever tarnished for something he had no direct control or blame over
He still bears the responsibility because he was the CEO.
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RogueOne Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:36:45am |
re: #118 sattv4u2
HIS life has been forever tarnished for something he had no direct control or blame over
He was the guy in charge. Accountability starts at the top which is why the president deserves just as much grief as Hayward.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:37:56am |
re: #121 MandyManners
He still bears the responsibility because he was the CEO.
agreed, and he’s paying the price for that and will for many years to come. That stated he’s still entitled to take a breath now and again. If not, with the pressure and demands he’d be chewing on the barrel of a gun
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RogueOne Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:39:30am |
re: #123 sattv4u2
agreed, and he’s paying the price for that and will for many years to come. That stated he’s still entitled to take a breath now and again. If not, with the pressure and demands he’d be chewing on the barrel of a gun
Rep. Cao Suggests BP Exec Commit ‘Hara-Kiri’ Over Spill
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:40:13am |
re: #122 RogueOne
He was the guy in charge. Accountability starts at the top which is why the president deserves just as much grief as Hayward.
And Hayward is getting all that grief, and deservedly so. That stated, I can’t get outragiously outraged about a guy taking “A” day away from it (even though I’m sure he was never far ‘away” from it ,, see #’s 89 and 104)
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:40:55am |
re: #123 sattv4u2
agreed, and he’s paying the price for that and will for many years to come. That stated he’s still entitled to take a breath now and again. If not, with the pressure and demands he’d be chewing on the barrel of a gun
Actually, he should get a day off when the oil stops. No one in the Gulf gets a day off from it, unless you count the people now unemployed because of the absurd moratorium. If he wants a day off, let him hide in his living room. Not hang out watching his yacht race around the Isle of Wight.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:41:21am |
re: #124 RogueOne
Rep. Cao Suggests BP Exec Commit ‘Hara-Kiri’ Over Spill
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
I suggest Cao get a grip
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:41:32am |
re: #123 sattv4u2
agreed, and he’s paying the price for that and will for many years to come. That stated he’s still entitled to take a breath now and again. If not, with the pressure and demands he’d be chewing on the barrel of a gun
How will he pay the price for many years? I’m sure he’ll get booted as CEO but I’m also sure he has a tidy sum laid aside for a rainy day.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:42:51am |
re: #126 CapeCoddah
Actually, he should get a day off when the oil stops. No one in the Gulf gets a day off from it, unless you count the people now unemployed because of the absurd moratorium. If he wants a day off, let him hide in his living room. Not hang out watching his yacht race around the Isle of Wight.
Last I heard, it wasn’t clear whether Hayward was still in charge of NA operations. There was speculation yesterday that he’d been replaced. No confirmation - or denial - anywhere that I can see.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:43:09am |
re: #124 RogueOne
Rep. Cao Suggests BP Exec Commit ‘Hara-Kiri’ Over Spill
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
“Well, in the Asian culture, we do things differently. During the Samurai days, we’d just give you the knife and ask you to commit hara-kiri,” said Cao, who is Vietnamese-American. “My constituents are still debating on what they want me to ask you to do.”
Oh, please. That’s a bit over-kill.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:45:45am |
re: #126 CapeCoddah
Actually, he should get a day off when the oil stops. No one in the Gulf gets a day off from it, unless you count the people now unemployed because of the absurd moratorium. If he wants a day off, let him hide in his living room. Not hang out watching his yacht race around the Isle of Wight.
In tough economic times, it’s prudent for the wealthy not to flaunt it.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:46:24am |
re: #128 MandyManners
How will he pay the price for many years? I’m sure he’ll get booted as CEO but I’m also sure he has a tidy sum laid aside for a rainy day.
His name and rep are now toxic. His name will be attached to this for decades for
A) an accident
that he
B) didn’t have anything to do with directly
and
C) wasn’t exactly on his TO DO list
“Martha, could you get me my schedule for today
10:00 am, review profit statements
11:00 am, conference call with franchisees
12:00 noon, lunch
01:00 pm, make sure one of our platforms explodes”
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:46:31am |
re: #129 SixDegrees
Last I heard, it wasn’t clear whether Hayward was still in charge of NA operations. There was speculation yesterday that he’d been replaced. No confirmation - or denial - anywhere that I can see.
My mom mentioned that yesterday. She’s a regular Fox watcher but I’ve found nothing. Hold on.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:47:01am |
re: #132 sattv4u2
His name and rep are now toxic. His name will be attached to this for decades for
A) an accident
that he
B) didn’t have anything to do with directly
and
C) wasn’t exactly on his TO DO list
“Martha, could you get me my schedule for today
10:00 am, review profit statements
11:00 am, conference call with franchisees
12:00 noon, lunch
01:00 pm, make sure one of our platforms explodes”
He was the man in charge of the company and the buck stops with him.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:47:23am |
re: #133 MandyManners
My mom mentioned that yesterday. She’s a regular Fox watcher but I’ve found nothing. Hold on.
I heard it on NPR.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:48:23am |
re: #129 SixDegrees
Last I heard, it wasn’t clear whether Hayward was still in charge of NA operations. There was speculation yesterday that he’d been replaced. No confirmation - or denial - anywhere that I can see.
Is this not the same fellow who said he wanted his life back? One can understand why one would miss it. Now fetch me a gin and tonic and make it snappy…
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:48:37am |
re: #129 SixDegrees
Last I heard, it wasn’t clear whether Hayward was still in charge of NA operations. There was speculation yesterday that he’d been replaced. No confirmation - or denial - anywhere that I can see.
Yeah, he’s been replaced. It was in one of the links from yesterday.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:49:23am |
re: #129 SixDegrees
Last I heard, it wasn’t clear whether Hayward was still in charge of NA operations. There was speculation yesterday that he’d been replaced. No confirmation - or denial - anywhere that I can see.
Doesn’t matter. What would you do if it were you? I know what I would do. They would have had to come find me at the explosion site to tell me I was replaced. It would never have crossed my mind to attend such an event as a yacht race. You cannot get anymore out of touch with reality than that. And, the CEO of BP apparently has no clue. He must be a brilliant man. Either that, or, he could not care less. It is one or the other.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:51:28am |
Carl-Henric Svanberg told Sky News that Hayward is going to change his role in dealing with the spill and that the day-to-day operation would be led by BP managing director Bob Dudley.
“It is clear Tony has made remarks that have upset people,” Svanberg told Sky News. ” He will be more home and be there and be here, but I think it has been a difficult period and as long as we don’t close the well and take care of this, there will be criticisms about many things. Right now that is our focus to make that happen.”
Svanberg himself apologized this week for his own comment after he called those affected by the spill “small people,” the New York Times reports.
SNIP
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:53:42am |
The Little green football prayer list
Happy Fathers day
On this day in 1975, Jaws, a film directed by Steven Spielberg that made countless viewers afraid to go into the water, opens in theaters.
Lord Almighty we pray this morning for the nation of Israel. Hold up their Navy and give them Strength and wisdom. We pray this morning that you grant grace to the men and women serving in the IDF. Hold your people in your strong arms Dear Lord and protect them forever.
We pray today for the Gulf Coast of America and for all those whose lives are affected by the oil spill. We pray for the environment that is being damaged.
We pray for Roi this morning…Because of the Oil spill he may be out of work.. Find him work we pray.
We pray for our Veterans today. [Link: www.drumhike.com…]
Obdicut: My friend Pam, who’s ovarian cancer has returned. She’s going into chemo again. And she believes in the power of prayer.
Dark_Falcon: His Mother had a stroke..She is getting better.. Please heal her Lord
Jadespring: Dear Lord bring healing to a Sister.. Bring grace and strength to the Family.
We pray for your tender mercies
Wlewisiii: If you would pray as appropriate to your beliefs for John Freuh, his step-mother, my sister Elisabeth & his father Rick, I’d appreciate it.
Dear Lord..We ask you this day you bring healing and grace to SFZ’s Father and Mother-in-law..
Help her in the Job search and finding her a new Career. .
We know your love brings healing and life.
Dear Lord..We pray for SFZ this morning:
Her friend of a friend has a newborn son facing some bad medical issues. Prayers for Grant, son of Jill and Steven, are greatly appreciated.
Ausador: Parents
Irenicum: Lord heal this family and bring comfort to them..
Guanxi88: Best wishes and lizard mojo to my wife’s best friend. her father committed suicide not two weeks after her mother succumbed to cancer.
Reine: Health and Family.. Lord we ask you grant Reine’s Daughter a Special blessing..Look after her and grant grace.
gregb - 4 year old son who suffered a head injury last Friday and spent the
weekend in the ICU with some lingering effects all week.Jadespring: Our prayers go out to your sister…May she be healed
Baseballmom57: My God grant grace and healing to her son…
lurking faith… prayers for an aunt
Beekiller: Sister has been diagnosed with Cancer…We pray for a speedy recovery
FBV: Add my friend Jeff. Recently diagnosed with ALS. His family will watch him fade and die over the next three to five years. Wife and two kids (kids are young adults).
Prairiefire: Health for Family and friends
Mcspiff: if you could add my uncle to the list. He went in for surgery today and it didn’t go so well. Extra organs had to come out, etc. Still just hearing bits and pieces now. But any prayers would be greatly appreciated.
Alouette’ Dear Father..His name in Hebrew is Pinhas ben Rivka. , and he is in congestive heart failure. He is 91 years old, and a WW2 Pacific vet.
Reloadingisnotahobby: Could add my parents?
They’re in their 80’s and slipping in to ALZ…Simultaneously
Lizard prayers for Beau Biden.
We pray for all our Troops who have died protecting our Freedom.. Comfort the families Dear Lord this morning…
Give strength to all our Armed Forces serving at home or abroad …America thanks you.
God Bless President Obama and his family…
God Bless Israel.. Continue to bless her with prosperity and strength…The land of Milk and Honey…
Thank you Lord..
Amen
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rwdflynavy Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:55:53am |
Because stupidity has no half-life…
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RogueOne Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:56:48am |
Can I say I hate government “independent panels” but I love Alan Simpson…
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:57:13am |
re: #139 MandyManners
“We care about the small people,” Svanberg said. “I hear comments sometimes that large oil companies are greedy companies or don’t care. But that is not the case with BP. We care about the small people.”
For Svanberg, English is a second language, but reporters at the White House asked him what he meant after his remarks, the Huffington Post reports.
SNIP
I’ll give him a break on his choice of language based on his first language and not compare him to Leona Helmsley.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:57:55am |
And on that note, the long drive home awaits
HAPPY FATHERS DAY, ALL
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:58:51am |
The battle at Semdinli in Hakkari province, near the border with Iraq, rekindled the conflict in the region and prompted the armed forces to hit Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) targets inside northern Iraq.
The PKK militants touched off the fighting with an attack on an army border unit at about 2 a.m. and 14 soldiers were wounded, the General Staff said in a statement on its website. The wounded have been transferred to hospitals.
SNIP
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 7:03:10am |
SNIP
The ordinance would have police create a list of “habitually intoxicated persons” with excessive alcohol-related arrests, hospitalizations or both and distribute it to liquor license holders.
Is this Constitutional based on the Eighth Amendment?
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SixDegrees Sun, Jun 20, 2010 7:06:45am |
re: #146 MandyManners
Is this Constitutional based on the Eighth Amendment?
Uh - how are they supposed to know if the city has identified them? Will they have a scarlet ‘A’ tattooed on their forehead?
And can the city reasonably be expected to make such an identification in the first place? Alcoholism is a disease, and requires a medical diagnosis.
This sounds like an ordinance that’s already circling the drain. It’s only hope for survival is the unlikelihood that anyone will challenge it.
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Gang of One Sun, Jun 20, 2010 7:13:32am |
re: #146 MandyManners
Is this Constitutional based on the Eighth Amendment?
Sometimes so many people seem to be screaming about their rights, while neglecting to answer to their responsibilities, that many of us may become completely disgusted with the whole discourse of “rights.” A whole movement exists, billing itself as “Communitarianism,” that promotes an effort to restore the notion of responsibility and to establish a balance both between rights and responsibilities and between individuality and community. There has actually been talk of building a “Statue of Responsibility” on the West Coast as the counterpart of the Statue of Liberty in New York harbor. The movement is spearheaded by sociology professors Robert Bellah, in Habits of the Heart, and Amitai Etzioni, in The Spirit of Community. Their viewpoint is shared by many others, including historian Garry Wills; and it is reflected in the title of Hillary Clinton’s book on the responsibilities of government in child rearing, It Takes a Village.
Communitarians, however, promote a certain view of rights and responsibilities that is quite different from that of John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, etc. It is more in the tradition of G.W.F. Hegel, where the community, or the state, is more real than the individual and the individual who does not fit in with the social norms or the law is objectively irrational. Hegel has been regarded, justly, as the father of modern totalitarianism. How different these attitudes are comes out in the Communitarian treatment of things like seat-belt and motorcycle helmet laws. Etzioni would deny to the automobile or motorcycle rider the right to decide for themselves whether to wear seat-belts or motorcycle helmets because, if they are injured, the public is liable to end up paying for their injuries. Thus the riders have a duty to protect themselves in such a way as to not impose a burden on the public through their injuries.
This is interesting reasoning, for the denial of the right of choice about seat-belts and motorcycle helmets is really predicated on the concession of another right: that the injured riders have the right to be treated at public expense. The claim of that right is then used to deny the other [3]. The question is not even asked: do those who don’t want to use seat-belts or motorcycle helmets really want their liberty curtailed for the privilege of their injuries being treated at public expense? Evidently they are not even asked. The consequence, then, is not that Communitarians want to balance rights and responsibilities; it is that they want to deny certain rights in favor of certain other ones, without asking whether that is the particular choice other people really want to make.
—SNIP
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 7:14:06am |
re: #147 SixDegrees
Uh - how are they supposed to know if the city has identified them? Will they have a scarlet ‘A’ tattooed on their forehead?
And can the city reasonably be expected to make such an identification in the first place? Alcoholism is a disease, and requires a medical diagnosis.
This sounds like an ordinance that’s already circling the drain. It’s only hope for survival is the unlikelihood that anyone will challenge it.
Second paragraph says that the police will make a list of those who’ve had “excessive alcohol-related arrests or hospitalizations”. What’s the definition of “excessive”? And, isn’t information about hospitalization private? Would HIPAA apply?
I’m not in favor of enabling addicts but, how can the law be used in a way that does not violate the right against excessive punishment or the right to privacy under HIPAA?
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 7:17:10am |
re: #149 Gang of One
Communitarians, however, promote a certain view of rights and responsibilities that is quite different from that of John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, etc.
Positivie liberty? Down that road marches the armies of totalitarianism of the group.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 20, 2010 7:18:25am |
re: #147 SixDegrees
Uh - how are they supposed to know if the city has identified them? Will they have a scarlet ‘A’ tattooed on their forehead?
And can the city reasonably be expected to make such an identification in the first place? Alcoholism is a disease, and requires a medical diagnosis.
This sounds like an ordinance that’s already circling the drain. It’s only hope for survival is the unlikelihood that anyone will challenge it.
The same way a bar or any establishment that sells booze is required to monitor and know it’s regulars, and to refuse sales if that person is obviously drunk (and/or drunk most of the time when trying to purchase booze).
It would be an after the fact charge, just the way the law can come after you if Mr./Mrs. “X” crashes a car, and you can be shown to have sold booze to that person with in some time span close to the accident.
Kind of shaky, but it stands up in court now, I would imagine this would be an extension of that kind of thinking/lawmaking?
Maybe?
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 7:18:25am |
re: #150 MandyManners
It’s not a right against excessive punishment but against “cruel and unusual punishment. Oops.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 20, 2010 7:23:30am |
re: #140 HoosierHoops
Please add Kyle for me. Thanks.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 20, 2010 7:26:13am |
re: #154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Please add Kyle for me. Thanks.
And please gives us updates when possible.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 7:29:18am |
After we helped liberate that region, this is what we get in return?
An eighth suspect in a North Carolina terrorism case was arrested in Kosovo, Thursday.
The government alleges that several men, headed by ringleader Daniel Patrick Boyd, were planning to attack Quantico Marine Corps Base in Virginia and arranging travel plans to wage violent jihad abroad. The trial was originally set to begin in this fall, but has been postponed to September 2011 after several defendants requested more time to prepare. The case features an enormous amount of evidence, including 30,000 pages of documents, 750 hours of audio and video clips, and 5 million pieces of potential evidence.
According to the criminal complaint, the recently arrested suspect, Bajram Asllani, participated in the North Carolina-based conspiracy to wage jihad abroad when he “repeatedly tasked another co-conspirator with performing acts in support of the criminal objectives, solicited funds from the conspiracy to carry out concrete plans for the establishment of a base of operations in Kosovo” and “accepted money from the conspiracy for the purpose of enabling him to travel so that he could pursue the conspiracy’s objectives.” The complaint does not allege Asllani was involved in the plans to attack Quantico.
SNIP
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 7:35:12am |
Jurors concluded that Miami-based Banner Supply knowingly sold defective wallboard that was installed in the Coconut Grove, Fla., home of Chevron attorney Armin Seifart and Lisa Gore, who asked for $4.4 million in damages for repairs and the inconvenience of temporarily losing access to their $1.66 million home.
“It’s a strong victory in favor of consumers,” said family attorney Ervin Gonzalez of Colson Hicks Eidson in Coral Gables, Fla. “The American public won’t tolerate companies that cheat.”
Jurors decided Banner was negligent, knowingly sold defective wallboard and violated Florida’s deceptive and unfair trade law, and that its product will reduce the home’s resale value.
The couple’s lawsuit is similar to thousands nationwide by homeowners with Chinese drywall installed in their homes. Homeowners complain noxious gases released by the wallboard leave homes smelling like rotten eggs and corrode metal pipes and electronics.
The couple’s case is considered a bellwether because of the potential for recovery. Chinese companies generally are immune to U.S. court judgments, leaving U.S. companies as the only reliable financial source for plaintiff recovery.
SNIP
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ryannon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 7:41:33am |
re: #139 MandyManners
The guy was a one-man PR disaster. It’s that “Let them eat cake” attitude that drives people crazy. It’s to be remembered that Marie Antoinette’s remark was made in total sincerity as well. Public perception is everything, and if the guy doesn’t have the street smarts to know this, he shouldn’t be on the street representing a multi-national petroleum group during a national catastrophe.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 7:52:25am |
re: #158 ryannon
The guy was a one-man PR disaster. It’s that “Let them eat cake” attitude that drives people crazy. It’s to be remembered that Marie Antoinette’s remark was made in total sincerity as well. Public perception is everything, and if the guy doesn’t have the street smarts to know this, he shouldn’t be on the street representing a multi-national petroleum group during a national catastrophe.
He’s been moved out. As another link shows, though, the chairman of the board is a bit dense, too.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 20, 2010 7:56:09am |
Tucson ethnic studies spews hatred for America
But there is also no doubt that an alternative “history” of the U.S. - one that characterizes the growing nation purely in terms of violence, genocidal hatred of natives, duplicity, deception, unspeakable cruelties and, above all else, illegitimacy - is not really intended to fill in gaps that traditional high-school history texts may have left out.
ethnic diversity, my ass…read on
Read more: [Link: www.azcentral.com…]
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SixDegrees Sun, Jun 20, 2010 7:56:12am |
re: #150 MandyManners
Second paragraph says that the police will make a list of those who’ve had “excessive alcohol-related arrests or hospitalizations”. What’s the definition of “excessive”? And, isn’t information about hospitalization private? Would HIPAA apply?
I’m not in favor of enabling addicts but, how can the law be used in a way that does not violate the right against excessive punishment or the right to privacy under HIPAA?
Like I said, it’s a non-starter. The intrusions on privacy here are excessive. It’s even worse that the only determining factor is completely non-medical, and that the “rating” is held by the authorities and can only be determined after the fact.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jun 20, 2010 7:57:55am |
re: #158 ryannon
The guy was a one-man PR disaster. It’s that “Let them eat cake” attitude that drives people crazy. It’s to be remembered that Marie Antoinette’s remark was made in total sincerity as well. Public perception is everything, and if the guy doesn’t have the street smarts to know this, he shouldn’t be on the street representing a multi-national petroleum group during a national catastrophe.
Someone else made the “small people” remark, not Hayward.
I’m in favor of his removal, but not for something said by another executive.
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ryannon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 7:59:07am |
re: #163 SixDegrees
Someone else made the “small people” remark, not Hayward.
I’m in favor of his removal, but not for something said by another executive.
He’s dead, Jim.
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Macha Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:01:00am |
re: #67 CapeCoddah
Still laughing. That was one of the funniest things I’ve ever read.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:02:19am |
re: #162 SixDegrees
Like I said, it’s a non-starter. The intrusions on privacy here are excessive. It’s even worse that the only determining factor is completely non-medical, and that the “rating” is held by the authorities and can only be determined after the fact.
I wonder how smart their city attorney is.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:02:29am |
Happy Father’s Day to all of the dads in the Lizard family and beyond.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:02:39am |
Arizona’s senators tour border, hold town hall
“When we said, what do you need, the answer was essentially, more of everything,” Kyl said.
“The fact is that they need some significant help, whether it be personnel, technology for improving the physical barrier to the crossers,” said McCain.
Douglas…a whole town of nazi racists…what are we going to do with these lunatic Americans?
[Link: www.kold.com…]
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:03:20am |
re: #124 RogueOne
Rep. Cao Suggests BP Exec Commit ‘Hara-Kiri’ Over Spill
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
Should be ‘sepukku’. Hari-Kari is a rather crude westernization meaning ‘belly-cutting’, ‘sepukku’ is the proper term for ritual suicide. Odd, though: Normally the Vietnamese don’t bring up anything Japanese favorably.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:05:41am |
re: #161 albusteve
The TUSD’s “American History From Chicano Perspectives” course - which, crucially, satisfies the U.S. history requirement for district students
WTF? Talk abut Balkanization!
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:06:31am |
re: #169 Dark_Falcon
Should be ‘sepukku’. Hari-Kari is a rather crude westernization meaning ‘belly-cutting’, ‘sepukku’ is the proper term for ritual suicide. Odd, though: Normally the Vietnamese don’t bring up anything Japanese favorably.
I noticed that. Maybe he found a crude way to express his constituents’ anger.
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Political Atheist Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:08:11am |
re: #148 RogueOne
Whoa. Alien landscapes!
Hmm. Now I want one of those blueish specialty IR filters for my lenses. I have this older 3 megapixel Canon, which could be modified for IR. They do something to the sensor. Intriguing. The little point and shoots keep getting better. Makes us pro or wanna be pro’s keep pushing the boundaries.
[Link: www.lifepixel.com…]
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:08:12am |
re: #161 albusteve
Tucson ethnic studies spews hatred for America
But there is also no doubt that an alternative “history” of the U.S. - one that characterizes the growing nation purely in terms of violence, genocidal hatred of natives, duplicity, deception, unspeakable cruelties and, above all else, illegitimacy - is not really intended to fill in gaps that traditional high-school history texts may have left out.
ethnic diversity, my ass…read on
Read more: [Link: www.azcentral.com…]
If the people who teach this course are the kind who post on Cockburn’s website, then they are pretty seriously into America-hate. I hope the state is successful in shutting the class down. It strikes me as ugly and divisive. And please don’t bring up SB 1070. Even if the immigration law is as bad as claimed, two wrongs do not make a right.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:09:41am |
re: #166 MandyManners
I wonder how smart their city attorney is.
Not particularly, if this is any indication.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:10:56am |
re: #170 MandyManners
WTF? Talk abut Balkanization!
I think know who the bigots and racists are, and it’s not me
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:11:32am |
re: #174 SixDegrees
Not particularly, if this is any indication.
Yeah, I get the notion that he has a passing familiarity with the Constitution.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:15:03am |
Well…It’s time to meet somebody for lunch..
Have a Great Father’s Day
BBL
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Macha Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:15:08am |
re: #73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
19 year old daughter’s 20 year old boyfriend fell off of a four story balcony on Friday night and appears to be paralyzed.
His poor family. But he’s been the girl’s boyfriend for four years.
Now?
College? Chances are dim.
Future? Bleak.
I am so sorry to hear of such a tragedy. Hopefully the outcome will improve over the next couple of weeks, as spinal injuries, at times, are hard to assess accurately until swelling and tissue damage resolve a bit. In either case, it sounds like a totally life changing injury that will be a sorrow for all concerned. My heart goes out to them.
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What, me worry? Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:17:18am |
Morning lizards!
Hey Reine, you here? I saw a BP commercial on Meet the Press this morning! It was for companies to file claims. They gave a website address and phone number. Seems to me tho, that if you’re effected by the disaster, you already know that info so is the commercial just a PR stunt? “Look how much we’re doing?”
Hubby also heard BP commercials on NPR (radio) saying we should not boycott BP gas stations so we don’t run local owners out of business. While I would agree with that, it still doesn’t sit well with me.
Buy BP or to buy BP. Yet if we don’t, how will they still in business long enough to play claims which will be ongoing for many years? I don’t know what to think.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:17:57am |
LAPD’s new $74-million jail sits empty
The department is still using its dilapidated, overcrowded downtown jail that the new one is meant to replace because it doesn’t have the money to hire enough jailers for the labor-intensive facility.
[Link: www.latimes.com…]
the Keystone Kops
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Political Atheist Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:19:36am |
re: #73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What a shame. These tragic accidents are awful. I am amazed he survived a four story fall at all. In our prayers of course. That is just too young… And at the age where I met my DL.
We pray for a miracle to accompany the surgery.
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Macha Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:20:08am |
re: #95 CapeCoddah
Bit of a waste of time, lawmaker wise. How come a church did not think of that, and just have a press conference asking folks to say a prayer?
Not that it can hurt anything, though, but, I suspect the legislature has better ways to spend it’s time.
Just one more way to make political hay out of the spill.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:22:56am |
re: #179 marjoriemoon
Morning lizards!
Hey Reine, you here? I saw a BP commercial on Meet the Press this morning! It was for companies to file claims. They gave a website address and phone number. Seems to me tho, that if you’re effected by the disaster, you already know that info so is the commercial just a PR stunt? “Look how much we’re doing?”
Hubby also heard BP commercials on NPR (radio) saying we should not boycott BP gas stations so we don’t run local owners out of business. While I would agree with that, it still doesn’t sit well with me.
Buy BP or to buy BP. Yet if we don’t, how will they still in business long enough to play claims which will be ongoing for many years? I don’t know what to think.
I buy gas from BP almost exclusively and will continue to do so for that reason.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:25:04am |
Meanwhile, criticism of the interior secretary by some environmental advocates has mounted since the spill. A group of scientists and conservation organizations wrote to Mr. Obama last week demanding Mr. Salazar’s resignation, citing what they called his “flawed record on natural resources issues,” including oil drilling, endangered species and coal leasing decisions.
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
Salazar should have been tossed weeks ago…MMS is a disaster on it’s own
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:26:11am |
re: #179 marjoriemoon
Morning lizards!
Hey Reine, you here? I saw a BP commercial on Meet the Press this morning! It was for companies to file claims. They gave a website address and phone number. Seems to me tho, that if you’re effected by the disaster, you already know that info so is the commercial just a PR stunt? “Look how much we’re doing?”
Hubby also heard BP commercials on NPR (radio) saying we should not boycott BP gas stations so we don’t run local owners out of business. While I would agree with that, it still doesn’t sit well with me.
Buy BP or to buy BP. Yet if we don’t, how will they still in business long enough to play claims which will be ongoing for many years? I don’t know what to think.
Please do buy BP. Since my father retired from BP, they pay for my parents’ health care.
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What, me worry? Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:26:14am |
re: #183 MandyManners
I buy gas from BP almost exclusively and will continue to do so for that reason.
It’s not a bad idea for sure. Personally I buy at a local station without a big name. I can’t even tell you what it is, but it’s cheapest.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:26:49am |
re: #184 albusteve
Yeah, I’ve not heard a lot from Ken lately. Maybe I’ve missed something.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:28:26am |
re: #186 marjoriemoon
It’s not a bad idea for sure. Personally I buy at a local station without a big name. I can’t even tell you what it is, but it’s cheapest.
BP is far easier to reach than other stations, and its prices are roughly the same as others.
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Political Atheist Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:31:00am |
re: #188 MandyManners
General question-If we buy from other gasoline refineries, it takes biz away from BP. But are we giving it to a better energy company or one that is just “lucky” in that they have not had a big spill lately?
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RayGunIsDead Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:32:01am |
“That’s not a political gaffe, those are prepared remarks. That is a philosophy. That is an approach to what they [GOP] see. They see the aggrieved party here as BP, not the fishermen,” Emanuel said on ABC’s “This Week.”
Testing.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:32:05am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:32:27am |
re: #189 Rightwingconspirator
General question-If we buy from other gasoline refineries, it takes biz away from BP. But are we giving it to a better energy company or one that is just “lucky” in that they have not had a big spill lately?
I have no idea.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:34:24am |
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ryannon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:35:57am |
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RayGunIsDead Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:36:02am |
:-)
Man was I snocked last night and I have to work today. The lord will surely not be pleased.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:36:42am |
re: #187 MandyManners
Yeah, I’ve not heard a lot from Ken lately. Maybe I’ve missed something.
BO put a muzzle on him….Salazar is either an idiot or corrupt, probably both
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What, me worry? Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:37:00am |
re: #185 Dark_Falcon
re: #188 MandyManners
I don’t know what to think. It’s a good point.
Meet the Press had a great panel. Gov Barbour (MS), Senator Landeau (LA), an ex-President of Shell Oil, Katty Kay (I love her) and they were really bipartisan about it. Barbour (a Republican) was pretty supportive of what Obama is doing.
I caught the end of Rahm’s talk on This Week, but he was going on about Barton’s comments.
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ryannon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:37:24am |
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Targetpractice Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:39:34am |
Howdy, fellow lizards. What’s the good word?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:39:51am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:40:16am |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:40:16am |
re: #200 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Howdy, fellow lizards. What’s the good word?
Nothing much going on. Just a lazy Sunday morning.
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RayGunIsDead Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:40:20am |
re: #199 ryannon
I miss SpaceJesus.
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly.
I’m crying.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:40:38am |
re: #197 albusteve
BO put a muzzle on him…Salazar is either an idiot or corrupt, probably both
One does not exclude the other.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:41:26am |
re: #203 Dark_Falcon
Nothing much going on. Just a lazy Sunday morning.
No trolls to roast? No wingnuts to laugh at? No wacky religious hijinks to behold?
Bah, I say! Bah!
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:41:46am |
re: #198 marjoriemoon
re: #188 MandyManners
I don’t know what to think. It’s a good point.
Meet the Press had a great panel. Gov Barbour (MS), Senator Landeau (LA), an ex-President of Shell Oil, Katty Kay (I love her) and they were really bipartisan about it. Barbour (a Republican) was pretty supportive of what Obama is doing.
I caught the end of Rahm’s talk on This Week, but he was going on about Barton’s comments.
Amusing how the GOP smacked down Barton. But, that won’t prevent many from saying that he is representative of the GOP.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:41:51am |
re: #204 RayGunIsDead
Whatever hallucinogenic drug you’re on, you need to cut back the dosage.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:42:07am |
re: #208 Dark_Falcon
Whatever hallucinogenic drug you’re on, you need to cut back the dosage.
Or start sharin’ with the rest of the class.
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ryannon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:42:43am |
re: #204 RayGunIsDead
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly.
I’m crying.
Elliptical, but I think I get it.
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ryannon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:43:57am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:44:00am |
re: #200 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Howdy, fellow lizards. What’s the good word?
He is risen.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:44:35am |
re: #207 MandyManners
Amusing how the GOP smacked down Barton. But, that won’t prevent many from saying that he is representative of the GOP.
The problem is that while the party did indeed smack him down, the right wing blog commentators too often supported him, or at least their posters have done so. There are angry people out there who want to view the $20B as a ‘shakedown’ and a corrupt plot by Obama. Some of them are watching us even now.
[waves to the Stalkers]
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SixDegrees Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:44:53am |
re: #205 MandyManners
One does not exclude the other.
I’d say there’s a pretty strong correlation, in fact. At least here in the Motor City.
Add the President of the Detroit School Board to our growing list of city officials leaving office in disgrace…
Ewww.
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RayGunIsDead Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:45:37am |
re: #211 ryannon
Elliptical, but I think I get it.
Have you watched “Across the Universe”? Bono sings I am the Walrus in it. Does an incredible job.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:45:38am |
re: #214 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that while the party did indeed smack him down, the right wing blog commentators too often supported him, or at least their posters have done so. There are angry people out there who want to view the $20B as a ‘shakedown’ and a corrupt plot by Obama. Some of them are watching us even now.
[waves to the Stalkers]
Oh, go ahead and moon them.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:46:34am |
re: #207 MandyManners
Amusing how the GOP smacked down Barton. But, that won’t prevent many from saying that he is representative of the GOP.
He is representative of the GOP.
All you have to do is take a look around the right wing news sites and blogs. Barton is a hero to the Republican base.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:46:35am |
re: #215 SixDegrees
I’d say there’s a pretty strong correlation, in fact. At least here in the Motor City.
Add the President of the Detroit School Board to our growing list of city officials leaving office in disgrace…
Ewww.
Oh, dear me. That is beyond comprehension.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:46:55am |
re: #218 Charles
He is representative of the GOP.
All you have to do is take a look around the right wing news sites and blogs. Barton is a hero to the Republican base.
But, the PTB smacked him down.
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What, me worry? Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:47:04am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:48:08am |
What are you looking for?
A pack of Trojans.
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RayGunIsDead Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:48:14am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:48:19am |
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:48:23am |
re: #220 MandyManners
But, the PTB smacked him down.
Sure, because they’re politicians and they know the statement was disastrous. But I repeat, Barton is a hero to the base. The leadership is playing a PR game that the base doesn’t care about.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:49:10am |
re: #217 MandyManners
Oh, go ahead and moon them.
I’ve never mooned anyone, and I never intend to do so. It is crude, rude, and beneath me.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:49:21am |
June 19 (Bloomberg) — Israel said in letters to the United Nations yesterday that it may take military action to block ships from Lebanon, possibly organized by Hezbollah, that plan to sail to the Gaza Strip with humanitarian aid.
“Israel reserves its right under international law to use all necessary means to prevent these ships from violating the existing naval blockade imposed on the Gaza Strip,” the envoy said.
stay the course Israel
[Link: www.bloomberg.com…]
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:49:48am |
I gotta’ get my butt up in a minute and chop stuff for omelets. My red onions have been coming in for about 10 days and I have three grocery bags full of the pungent and hot darlin’ things.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:50:15am |
re: #226 Charles
Sure, because they’re politicians and they know the statement was disastrous. But I repeat, Barton is a hero to the base. The leadership is playing a PR game that the base doesn’t care about.
Well, I’m in the base and he’s no hero to me.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:50:16am |
re: #222 MandyManners
I’m sorry, sir. I flunked flank.
You flunked flank?! Get the flunk out of here!
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:50:31am |
re: #227 Dark_Falcon
I’ve never mooned anyone, and I never intend to do so. It is crude, rude, and beneath me.
You’re no fun.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:50:43am |
re: #215 SixDegrees
I’d say there’s a pretty strong correlation, in fact. At least here in the Motor City.
Add the President of the Detroit School Board to our growing list of city officials leaving office in disgrace…
Ewww.
I’ve heard officials being jack-offs, but this is ridiculous.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:50:59am |
re: #232 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
You flunked flank?! Get the flunk out of here!
I love that movie. It’s on right now.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:51:18am |
re: #231 MandyManners
Well, I’m in the base and he’s no hero to me.
That’s all well and good, but you are in the tiny minority then.
The chorus of support for Barton is almost universal.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:51:22am |
re: #226 Charles
Sure, because they’re politicians and they know the statement was disastrous. But I repeat, Barton is a hero to the base. The leadership is playing a PR game that the base doesn’t care about.
That’s because the leadership knows you need more than just your base to win elections and that the independent voters aren’t anywhere as loopy.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:51:41am |
re: #234 Dark_Falcon
I’ve heard officials being jack-offs, but this is ridiculous.
What was he thinking?!
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SixDegrees Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:51:43am |
re: #214 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that while the party did indeed smack him down, the right wing blog commentators too often supported him, or at least their posters have done so. There are angry people out there who want to view the $20B as a ‘shakedown’ and a corrupt plot by Obama. Some of them are watching us even now.
[waves to the Stalkers]
Actually, someone on the BBC (I didn’t catch who) made the point that, although BP is certainly easy to hate on, the US remains a nation of laws, and extraction of monetary punishment is levied through the courts, not through threat of government reprisal. They went on to point out that if Cheney had attempted to bludgeon an organization through threat of government power, or had attempted to extract money from them through such a mechanism, the stink would have descended on him like Oprah on a ham.
Meanwhile, as comforting as the escrow account may be to some, there’s no cash in it; it’s funded through BP’s ability to borrow, and through BP’s stock price. If BP collapses economically, the escrow account vanishes in a puff of fictional wealth.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:52:12am |
re: #236 Charles
That’s all well and good, but you are in the tiny minority then.
The chorus of support for Barton is almost universal.
I’m okay with being in a tiny majority.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:52:27am |
re: #237 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
That’s because the leadership knows you need more than just your base to win elections and that the independent voters aren’t anywhere as loopy.
DING!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:52:46am |
re: #226 Charles
Sure, because they’re politicians and they know the statement was disastrous. But I repeat, Barton is a hero to the base. The leadership is playing a PR game that the base doesn’t care about.
They’re doing the best they can. The base is being silly, and there’s limit to what the party leadership can do about it. That said, in this particular case the attitudes of the party leaders matter more than the base, since they can chivvy wayward congresscritters back into line.
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ryannon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:53:07am |
re: #216 RayGunIsDead
Have you watched “Across the Universe”? Bono sings I am the Walrus in it. Does an incredible job.
Dennis Hopper is he not. Not even Ringo Starr in a cowboy hat. That video was actually embarrassing to watch, RGID. It’s an insult to the original, as well.
But youth and inexperience is an excuse. How old did you say you were?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:53:49am |
re: #238 MandyManners
What was he thinking?!
He was thinking with his small head, and that the long and the short of it.
[snicker]
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:55:26am |
re: #239 SixDegrees
Actually, someone on the BBC (I didn’t catch who) made the point that, although BP is certainly easy to hate on, the US remains a nation of laws, and extraction of monetary punishment is levied through the courts, not through threat of government reprisal. They went on to point out that if Cheney had attempted to bludgeon an organization through threat of government power, or had attempted to extract money from them through such a mechanism, the stink would have descended on him like Oprah on a ham.
Meanwhile, as comforting as the escrow account may be to some, there’s no cash in it; it’s funded through BP’s ability to borrow, and through BP’s stock price. If BP collapses economically, the escrow account vanishes in a puff of fictional wealth.
You’re ignoring the fact that BP wasn’t forced into this. They chose to participate in the $20B escrow program voluntarily.
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RayGunIsDead Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:55:57am |
re: #243 ryannon
Dennis Hopper is he not. Not even Ringo Starr in a cowboy hat. That video was actually embarrassing to watch, RGID. It’s an insult to the original, as well.
But youth and inexperience is an excuse. How old did you say you were?
Video? Watch the movie. I could see why, just watching UTube snippet, it would suck. In the movie they were all on acid.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:56:41am |
Report: U.S., Israeli warships cross Suez Canal toward Red Sea
Egypt opposition angered at government for allowing the fleet of more than 12 ships to cross Egyptian manned waterway, Al-Quds Al-Arabi reports.
it’s the USS Truman
[Link: www.haaretz.com…]
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SixDegrees Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:56:53am |
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ryannon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:57:25am |
re: #246 RayGunIsDead
Video? Watch the movie. I could see why, just watching UTube snippet, it would suck. In the movie they were all on acid.
Far out.
Another reason to avoid it.
How old did you say you were?
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darthstar Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:57:32am |
New Zealand! Italy is in shock. Kiwis are celebrating.
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What, me worry? Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:58:38am |
re: #239 SixDegrees
Actually, someone on the BBC (I didn’t catch who) made the point that, although BP is certainly easy to hate on, the US remains a nation of laws, and extraction of monetary punishment is levied through the courts, not through threat of government reprisal. They went on to point out that if Cheney had attempted to bludgeon an organization through threat of government power, or had attempted to extract money from them through such a mechanism, the stink would have descended on him like Oprah on a ham.
Meanwhile, as comforting as the escrow account may be to some, there’s no cash in it; it’s funded through BP’s ability to borrow, and through BP’s stock price. If BP collapses economically, the escrow account vanishes in a puff of fictional wealth.
They talked about the account and it’s NOT being managed by the U.S. government. It’s also being paid out $5B a year so as not to run BP dry and there would be no funds.
Also, by accepting the money, an individual or company does NOT waive their right to litigate BP in the future which is very important as they do have the right to bring criminal action against them.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:58:52am |
Gotta’ go chop some onions and bell pepper. The Kid loves my omelets.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:00:02am |
re: #245 Charles
You’re ignoring the fact that BP wasn’t forced into this. They chose to participate in the $20B escrow program voluntarily.
The commentator’s point was that they agreed voluntarily at the point of a gun, in response to the government’s request that came with a strongly implied “or else.”
And I’m not ignoring anything; I’m relaying what I heard. I thought I was clear about that, but perhaps not.
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What, me worry? Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:00:50am |
re: #252 marjoriemoon
They talked about the account and it’s NOT being managed by the U.S. government. It’s also being paid out $5B a year so as not to run BP dry and there would be no funds.
Also, by accepting the money, an individual or company does NOT waive their right to litigate BP in the future which is very important as they do have the right to bring criminal action against them.
If you want to talk about bipartisanship, the screams about the $20B fund being used as a slush fund for Obama to do with it as he will was unconscionable from the Right.
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RayGunIsDead Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:01:37am |
re: #250 ryannon
Far out.
Another reason to avoid it.
How old did you say you were?
I didn’t.
The movie was released in 2007, a long time ago. Rates pretty well.
[Link: www.imdb.com…]
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:01:48am |
re: #254 SixDegrees
The commentator’s point was that they agreed voluntarily at the point of a gun, in response to the government’s request that came with a strongly implied “or else.”
And I’m not ignoring anything; I’m relaying what I heard. I thought I was clear about that, but perhaps not.
But according to BP, that is not true at all. They made it very clear that they are choosing to participate in the escrow program voluntarily, because they think it’s the right thing to do.
Whether that’s just PR-speak or not is beside the point. You can’t get upset that BP was “pressured” into something when they aren’t complaining about it themselves.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:02:54am |
Rudy on the spill….
“I know exactly what I would have done. The first thing I would have done is to bring in outside experts who knew as much or more about this than BP because I wouldn’t trust just BP to run it for me. I wouldn’t want my fate, the fate of my people, the fate of the southern part of this country in the hands of BP. I would have gone and I’d have called up the people you’re talking about, the people I talked about the other night. Are there people that are better than BP, I would have asked. The answer is “yes.” Are there people that are far better than BP? Yes. Is BP good at this? No. Then give me the people that are the best. After all, I’m the President of the United States or the Mayor of New York City. You can get anything you want. Give me the people that are the best. I want them here— He hasn’t called any of these people. Not a single one. Go ask them. He has not talked to them, he doesn’t like them, he doesn’t trust them. He’s gone to academics because that’s what he trusts.”
true?….I guess it will all come out someday
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com…]
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What, me worry? Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:02:59am |
re: #254 SixDegrees
The commentator’s point was that they agreed voluntarily at the point of a gun, in response to the government’s request that came with a strongly implied “or else.”
And I’m not ignoring anything; I’m relaying what I heard. I thought I was clear about that, but perhaps not.
Gov Barbour today said that they were “very cooperative” (his words) in agreeing to the payout. He was part of that panel.
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ryannon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:03:54am |
re: #256 RayGunIsDead
I didn’t.
The movie was released in 2007, a long time ago. Rates pretty well.
[Link: www.imdb.com…]
“Plot: The music of the Beatles and the Vietnam War form the backdrop for the romance between an upper-class American girl and a poor Liverpudlian artist.”
*shoots self*
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:03:54am |
re: #258 albusteve
Rudy on the spill…
“I know exactly what I would have done. The first thing I would have done is to bring in outside experts who knew as much or more about this than BP because I wouldn’t trust just BP to run it for me. I wouldn’t want my fate, the fate of my people, the fate of the southern part of this country in the hands of BP. I would have gone and I’d have called up the people you’re talking about, the people I talked about the other night. Are there people that are better than BP, I would have asked. The answer is “yes.” Are there people that are far better than BP? Yes. Is BP good at this? No. Then give me the people that are the best. After all, I’m the President of the United States or the Mayor of New York City. You can get anything you want. Give me the people that are the best. I want them here— He hasn’t called any of these people. Not a single one. Go ask them. He has not talked to them, he doesn’t like them, he doesn’t trust them. He’s gone to academics because that’s what he trusts.”
true?…I guess it will all come out someday
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com…]
Rudy is completely off the rails here. He’s playing to the ignorant base. It’s pathetic.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:05:42am |
re: #257 Charles
But according to BP, that is not true at all. They made it very clear that they are choosing to participate in the escrow program voluntarily, because they think it’s the right thing to do.
Whether that’s just PR-speak or not is beside the point. You can’t get upset that BP was “pressured” into something when they aren’t complaining about it themselves.
I’m not getting upset about anything.
Was this BP’s idea, then? The report I heard stated that the escrow fund was the Administration’s idea.
Or has BBC Radio news gone over to the dark side? I’ve been busy lately, so I might have missed it. ;-)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:05:44am |
re: #258 albusteve
Rudy on the spill…
“I know exactly what I would have done. The first thing I would have done is to bring in outside experts who knew as much or more about this than BP because I wouldn’t trust just BP to run it for me. I wouldn’t want my fate, the fate of my people, the fate of the southern part of this country in the hands of BP. I would have gone and I’d have called up the people you’re talking about, the people I talked about the other night. Are there people that are better than BP, I would have asked. The answer is “yes.” Are there people that are far better than BP? Yes. Is BP good at this? No. Then give me the people that are the best. After all, I’m the President of the United States or the Mayor of New York City. You can get anything you want. Give me the people that are the best. I want them here— He hasn’t called any of these people. Not a single one. Go ask them. He has not talked to them, he doesn’t like them, he doesn’t trust them. He’s gone to academics because that’s what he trusts.”
true?…I guess it will all come out someday
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com…]
Obama has spent his time around academics, so its natural he’d gravitate towards them. People with real world experience tend to see him as lacking in substance, and gravely inexperienced. Which he is.
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RayGunIsDead Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:07:01am |
re: #260 ryannon
“Plot: The music of the Beatles and the Vietnam War form the backdrop for the romance between an upper-class American girl and a poor Liverpudlian artist.”
*shoots self*
I have never watched a movie more times. And I only own a few (Lord of the Rings and ???) and that is one.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:09:06am |
re: #261 Charles
Rudy is completely off the rails here. He’s playing to the ignorant base. It’s pathetic.
everybody is maneuvering as swiftly as possible to get on the right side of their base…even Rudy…it’s sad we don’t here about some successes and the cooperation that we know is out there, but the spill is a goldmine for political posturing, just too good to pass up, even at the risk of ‘going off the rails’…stfu and concentrate on the problem
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Political Atheist Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:10:35am |
re: #263 Dark_Falcon
I am going to be very critical of any candidate who exploits this deadly tragedy. It’s BP’s spill. Not Obamas, not the GOP’s not Bush’s.
11 dead. I expect respect for the dead, and reality.
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OldnGrumpy Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:10:51am |
Good morning minions
Got to sleep in,dad perks
How about some Jim Croce for breakfast
One Less Set of Footsteps
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:11:08am |
re: #267 Rightwingconspirator
I am going to be very critical of any candidate who exploits this deadly tragedy. It’s BP’s spill. Not Obamas, not the GOP’s not Bush’s.
11 dead. I expect respect for the dead, and reality.
Ditto.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:11:35am |
re: #262 SixDegrees
I’m not getting upset about anything.
Was this BP’s idea, then? The report I heard stated that the escrow fund was the Administration’s idea.
Or has BBC Radio news gone over to the dark side? I’ve been busy lately, so I might have missed it. ;-)
What does it matter whose idea it was? BP said they’re participating willingly. That’s the end of it; all the speculation about them being “forced” or “pressured” into it is just that: speculation. It’s another talking point from the Obama Derangement crew.
They’ll defend Joe Barton even after he apologizes, and they’ll say BP was “pressured” into the escrow fund even after BP explicitly said they weren’t.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:13:42am |
re: #263 Dark_Falcon
Rudy also said somewhere that if GB were in office there would be a movement to impeach him…that’s okay to submit here for example, but to go on national TV and say that kind of shit is inflammatory and only meant to piss off more people…the guy needs to show some reserve right now
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What, me worry? Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:14:04am |
re: #266 albusteve
everybody is maneuvering as swiftly as possible to get on the right side of their base…even Rudy…it’s sad we don’t here about some successes and the cooperation that we know is out there, but the spill is a goldmine for political posturing, just too good to pass up, even at the risk of ‘going off the rails’…stfu and concentrate on the problem
How is the Left politicizing this? By going after the Right for making ridiculous statements? How dare Barton call this a “shakedown” when BP agreed to put up the funds and all the talk about the fund being misused when it hasn’t even been set up yet!
Rahm may be driving home all those rightwing talking points but he certainly has a right to do so in my book.
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OldnGrumpy Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:15:01am |
re: #270 Charles
What does it matter whose idea it was? BP said they’re participating willingly. That’s the end of it; all the speculation about them being “forced” or “pressured” into it is just that: speculation. It’s another talking point from the Obama Derangement crew.
They’ll defend Joe Barton even after he apologizes, and they’ll say BP was “pressured” into the escrow fund even after BP explicitly said they weren’t.
I dunno,you get called into the POTUS’ office and he “suggests” you set up a $20 billion escrow account.
Are you going to say no?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:16:22am |
re: #272 marjoriemoon
How is the Left politicizing this? By going after the Right for making ridiculous statements? How dare Barton call this a “shakedown” when BP agreed to put up the funds and all the talk about the fund being misused when it hasn’t even been set up yet!
Rahm may be driving home all those rightwing talking points but he certainly has a right to do so in my book.
Well, the administration is using the spill to advocate for their carbon-credit bill. That would qualify.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:16:27am |
re: #273 OldnGrumpy
I dunno,you get called into the POTUS’ office and he “suggests” you set up a $20 billion escrow account.
Are you going to say no?
I repeat: BP explicitly said they wanted to participate in this program, and they rejected Joe Barton’s “apology.”
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:18:01am |
re: #273 OldnGrumpy
I dunno,you get called into the POTUS’ office and he “suggests” you set up a $20 billion escrow account.
Are you going to say no?
I don’t think he strong-armed them, though. They did do this under pressure, but that’s because they know how bad this looks for them. Obama gave them a way to help stop the bleeding and they accepted it. End story.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:18:57am |
re: #272 marjoriemoon
How is the Left politicizing this? By going after the Right for making ridiculous statements? How dare Barton call this a “shakedown” when BP agreed to put up the funds and all the talk about the fund being misused when it hasn’t even been set up yet!
Rahm may be driving home all those rightwing talking points but he certainly has a right to do so in my book.
even when the left answers phony charges from the right, it’s politicizing imo…and I consider the last half of BOs speech the other night as posturing for his future energy bill, using the spill….some of the babble is legit, most isn’t, but it’s all the same
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OldnGrumpy Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:20:00am |
I didn’t mean any snark.
Perhaps I worded it wrong,even if BP had been reluctant,there’s no way they could have refused.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:20:55am |
re: #276 Dark_Falcon
I don’t think he strong-armed them, though. They did do this under pressure, but that’s because they know how bad this looks for them. Obama gave them a way to help stop the bleeding and they accepted it. End story.
it’s a nontroversy…BP ponied up and there is no reason not to take their word for it…move on and get the damned shorelines cleaned up, nothing else is more important at this time
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:21:01am |
re: #73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
19 year old daughter’s 20 year old boyfriend fell off of a four story balcony on Friday night and appears to be paralyzed.
His poor family. But he’s been the girl’s boyfriend for four years.
Now?
College? Chances are dim.
Future? Bleak.
FBV:
The niece of a co-worker was shot and paralyzed, waist down.
She had been in college on a volleyball scholarship.
She missed a year of school.
She now has a degree, and is married with a child.
Sometimes things appear bleak at first, but can be overcome.
Everyone should have hope.
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What, me worry? Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:21:33am |
re: #274 Dark_Falcon
Well, the administration is using the spill to advocate for their carbon-credit bill. That would qualify.
Something that should have been 40 years ago. That’s not politicizing. Obama ran his election campaign on advancing alternative fuels. McCain did not.
It’s not something that can be changed overnight and with all the other crises going on, it went, yet again, to the back burner. Hopefully it will not stay there this time.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:21:33am |
re: #279 albusteve
it’s a nontroversy…BP ponied up and there is no reason not to take their word for it…move on and get the damned shorelines cleaned up, nothing else is more important at this time
Quite Concur.
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Political Atheist Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:22:07am |
re: #279 albusteve
it’s a nontroversy…BP ponied up and there is no reason not to take their word for it…move on and get the damned shorelines cleaned up, nothing else is more important at this time
Agreed.
Until the leak is halted-Fixing the problem comes ahead of fixing the blame. Anything else is just dysfunctional.
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What, me worry? Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:23:11am |
re: #277 albusteve
even when the left answers phony charges from the right, it’s politicizing imo…and I consider the last half of BOs speech the other night as posturing for his future energy bill, using the spill…some of the babble is legit, most isn’t, but it’s all the same
That’s not true at all. Alternative fuels have always been on his agenda from the get go.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:26:04am |
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What, me worry? Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:27:31am |
re: #273 OldnGrumpy
I dunno,you get called into the POTUS’ office and he “suggests” you set up a $20 billion escrow account.
Are you going to say no?
It wasn’t a suggestion. Obama demanded it. Yes, BP willingly agreed to it, but I think to categorize it as a “suggestion” makes Obama look like a wimp and that is certainly not the case.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:31:02am |
re: #128 MandyManners
How will he pay the price for many years? I’m sure he’ll get booted as CEO but I’m also sure he has a tidy sum laid aside for a rainy day.
Far as I know, right now he’s not been booted from anything. He still has his (very highly paid) job, and as you say, I’m sure he has a tidy sum laid aside (if he doesn’t then he’s stupid).
Meanwhile, Louisiana’s Workforce Commission has 13,000 resumes of people wanting to go to work, many of whom are quite qualified to do the clean up work, and BP keeps bringing in people from other areas., despite promise after promise not to.
re: #258 albusteve
I believe there are actually many other companies helping with this. They prefer, however, to stay in the background, not wanting any part of this to touch them.
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What, me worry? Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:32:50am |
re: #270 Charles
What does it matter whose idea it was? BP said they’re participating willingly. That’s the end of it; all the speculation about them being “forced” or “pressured” into it is just that: speculation. It’s another talking point from the Obama Derangement crew.
They’ll defend Joe Barton even after he apologizes, and they’ll say BP was “pressured” into the escrow fund even after BP explicitly said they weren’t.
Well I think he did demand it or as that article says “Under intense pressure from President Barack Obama, BP Plc agreed on Wednesday to set up a $20 billion fund…” But there’s nothing wrong with that. They were in violation, they caused the spill, they have to pay. Looking back to Exxon and how their liability was severely limited, no one wanted to take any chances of that happening again.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:33:01am |
re: #278 OldnGrumpy
I didn’t mean any snark.
Perhaps I worded it wrong,even if BP had been reluctant,there’s no way they could have refused.
Perhaps not, but there is no way they should have been reluctant.
They are catching all sorts of flak for their claims process; I’m sure they are quite happy to have it taken over by someone else.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 20, 2010 9:38:40am |
re: #288 marjoriemoon
I don’t deny at all that Obama demanded it. But the fact is that BP has very explicitly said they are participating willingly. I think it’s silly to complain about BP being “pressured” (as the Brits are doing, in a weird convergence with the US right wing), when BP themselves are doing no such thing.
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What, me worry? Sun, Jun 20, 2010 10:03:53am |
re: #290 Charles
I don’t deny at all that Obama demanded it. But the fact is that BP has very explicitly said they are participating willingly. I think it’s silly to complain about BP being “pressured” (as the Brits are doing, in a weird convergence with the US right wing), when BP themselves are doing no such thing.
Absolutely. Caught between a rock and hard place? If Obama didn’t demand it, he would have been accused of siding with the oil companies. That he did demand it, he’s shaking down big business? He can’t win.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jun 20, 2010 10:28:22am |
re: #290 Charles
I don’t deny at all that Obama demanded it. But the fact is that BP has very explicitly said they are participating willingly. I think it’s silly to complain about BP being “pressured” (as the Brits are doing, in a weird convergence with the US right wing), when BP themselves are doing no such thing.
Legally, BP did not have to create this fund. If they were pressured and were unhappy about it, they could have complained publicly about it and any governmental revenge would have been quite obvious. The Government asked them to set up the fund,and,they did. Again, being under no legal obligation to do so. BP has no complaints so the only possible reasonable conclusion is that BP willingly set up the fund. It was in no way illegal for the government to ask.
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