Barton’s Apology to BP: Not a Gaffe

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Eugene Robinson makes the point that Rep. Joe Barton’s apology to BP for the Obama administration’s “shakedown” was not a mistake, but an honest statement of an opinion shared by many conservatives: A GOP chorus of Joe Bartons on the BP oil spill.

Barton’s remarks were no spontaneous gaffe. They came in a prepared statement and represent his genuine view of the situation: that the rights of a private company are absolute even when weighed against the clear interests of the public.

While the party leadership has managed to squelch members of Congress who might have been tempted to weigh in on Barton’s side, the conservative amen chorus can’t help itself. Rush Limbaugh called the agreement on the $20 billion escrow fund “unconstitutional” and accused the administration of acting like “a branch of organized crime.” Newt Gingrich said the White House was “extorting money from a company.” Stuart Varney of Fox News claimed — falsely — that Obama had moved to “seize a private company’s assets” and complained that the action was “Hugo Chavez-like.” Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol said that “I have no sympathy for BP,” but then proceeded to be sympathetic, offering that “it’s not helpful for the country, for the economy as a whole, for the president to bully different companies and different industries.” I’d advise these people to get a grip, but they’re just saying what they believe. It just happens that what they believe is absurd.

And the fact that Barton has been allowed to keep his position atop the Energy and Commerce Committee by the GOP leadership, even after demonstrating he shouldn’t be trusted in that position, reinforces Robinson’s point.

Barton’s shameless sucking up to BP was utterly uncontroversial within the GOP; the only reason any of them complained at all was because they understood that it was politically damaging to do it in public.

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341 comments
1 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:07:22pm

How can the GOP issue so many statements when the have the oil companies’ dicks in their mouth?

2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:07:41pm

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

3 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:07:48pm

I hope the Republicans stand by their convictions.

4 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:09:07pm

Put up a Pages entry last night of RSC member Scalise doing the shuffle on MSNBC:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

The self declared “conservatives” have since before the 2008 election tried the “Chicago gangster” meme on Obama, and they are still trying it.

5 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:11:08pm

Since ie sucks-
Maybe Barton could be re deployed as an oil sucking skimmer in LA?

6 KingKenrod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:11:09pm

The Republican Study Committee, made up of over 100 GOP House members, called it “Chicago-style shakedown politics” before Barton was stupid enough to frame it as an apology while everyone was watching.

[Link: tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

7 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:11:26pm

re: #5 Rightwingconspirator

PIMF Since HE sucks…

8 cliffster  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:13:52pm

re: #5 Rightwingconspirator

Since ie sucks-
Maybe Barton could be re deployed as an oil sucking skimmer in LA?

IE does suck, but I don’t see how that applies

9 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:17:19pm

The top 20 recipients of oil money
[Link: www.opensecrets.org…]

Coming in at #17
Barton, Joe (R-TX) House $100,470

BTW #1 is… *drum roll please*
Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR) Senate $286,400

10 Big Steve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:20:13pm

The joke around here (BP spill command) is that Obama telling BP to cough up 20 billion is like a kid telling his pet rock to sit.

11 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:20:25pm

re: #9 Rightwingconspirator

The top 20 recipients of oil money
[Link: www.opensecrets.org…]

Coming in at #17
Barton, Joe (R-TX) House $100,470

BTW #1 is… *drum roll please*
Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR) Senate $286,400

I wonder what the rules are for spending that cheese and how often those rules are broken

12 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:21:28pm

Wimbeldon match suspended

At 9:10 p.m. in England, officials at Wimbledon suspended play.

It will give UGA grad John Isner and France’s Nicolas Mahut much-needed rest.

They have been playing for more than 10 hours.

The match is tied at 59.

Isner and Mahut are in the fifth set. There are no tie-breakers because it is the final set.

Isner’s former tennis coach at UGA has spent the day running a tennis camp as well as running in and out of the office to watch the match on television.

“This is surreal,” Manny Diaz told the AJC.

“The scoreboard isn’t even working; [it doesn’t] even know how to get to these numbers.”

13 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:21:36pm

re: #9 Rightwingconspirator

The top 20 recipients of oil money
[Link: www.opensecrets.org…]

Coming in at #17
Barton, Joe (R-TX) House $100,470

BTW #1 is… *drum roll please*
Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR) Senate $286,400

Right wing propaganda…. thats’ all. Why would any politician on the left take big oil money… or any big business money?

14 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:21:43pm

re: #6 KingKenrod

The Republican Study Committee, made up of over 100 GOP House members, called it “Chicago-style shakedown politics” before Barton was stupid enough to frame it as an apology while everyone was watching.

[Link: tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

I’d say that’s what caused the tongue-lashing from the leadership, not the framing of the escrow account as a “shakedown,” but the apology. If he’d stopped at calling it a “shakedown,” they’d have quietly agreed that that’s the way the party viewed it and not demanded he “apologize” for his apology.

The apology was the “Oh shit!” moment for the leadership, and now that he’s “apologized” for it, they want to continue full-steam ahead with the ODS. The sad part is that, should they reap huge rewards in November, they will attribute them not to anti-incumbent sentiment that strikes the voters in every mid-term, but to the Tea Partiers and like-minded loons.

15 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:22:33pm

re: #13 Walter L. Newton

Right wing propaganda… thats’ all. Why would any politician on the left take big oil money… or any big business money?

You consider Blanche Lincoln to be “left”?

16 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:22:37pm

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wimbeldon match suspended

What’s the Guinness record for longest tennis match?

17 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:24:12pm

re: #16 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What’s the Guinness record for longest tennis match?

several thousand feet I think

18 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:24:16pm

re: #15 freetoken

You consider Blanche Lincoln to be “left”?

What do you consider him?

19 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:25:43pm

re: #18 Walter L. Newton

What do you consider him?

huh?….Blanche is a wu-mon

20 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:25:49pm

re: #11 albusteve

I wonder what the rules are for spending that cheese and how often those rules are broken

My impression is inadequate rules and frequent transgression. Remember the LA Democrat with $100,000 in his freezer?

William Jennings “Bill” Jefferson (born March 14, 1947) is a former American politician, and a published author[1] from the U.S. state of Louisiana. He served as a member of the U.S. House of Representatives for nine terms from 1991 to 2009 as a member of the Democratic Party. He represented Louisiana’s 2nd congressional district, which includes much of the greater New Orleans area. He was Louisiana’s first black congressman since the end of Reconstruction.[2]

Suspecting him of bribery, the FBI raided his Congressional offices in May 2006, but he was re-elected later that year. On June 4, 2007, a federal grand jury indicted Jefferson on sixteen charges related to corruption.[3] Jefferson was defeated by Republican Joseph Cao on December 6, 2008,[4] being the most senior Democrat to lose re-election that year.[5] In 2009 he was tried in Virginia on corruption charges.[6] On August 5, 2009, he was found guilty of 11 of the 16 corruption counts.[7] Jefferson’s lawyers have promised to appeal, a gesture which New Orleans former U.S. attorney Harry Rosenberg told the Times-Picayune may work in Jefferson’s favor because the jury failed to convict him on all 16 of the indictment counts.[8] Jefferson was sentenced to 13 years on November 13, 2009, the longest sentence ever handed down to a congressman for bribery.[9]

21 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:26:20pm

Australia wins, but won’t advance, as they gave up more goals than Ghana.

22 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:27:01pm

re: #18 Walter L. Newton

What do you consider him?

She

calls herself a centrist Democrat and was among the minority of Democrats to support CAFTA. While in the House, she was one of only 17 Democrats to vote for the Teamwork for Employees and Managers Act of 1995 which sought to change federal employment laws. The law was vetoed by President Bill Clinton. She has voted in favor restricting class action lawsuits and tightening rules on personal bankruptcy. Lincoln was also one of the few Democrats in Congress to vote in favor of Bush administration’s tax cuts and she supports the permanent elimination of the estate tax.
23 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:27:35pm

Update on me mum:

They say the worst bacteria of all live in the human mouth.

So, back on Saturday, my mom and dad were going to a church meeting and she tripped on an uneven spot in Baltimore’s ancient concrete sidewalks and did a literal face-plant.

She looks like someone took a hammer to her. And she was picking gravel out of her teeth on the way to the ER.

So, two days go by and she wakes up with a swollen right wrist, tingling, numbness, and major pain.

Turns out, if you injure your mouth even to the extent of a minor gum wound, the bugs go straight from there to whatever part of your body is weakest and settle in for a feast.

They had to induce a nerve-block at her shoulder to stop the pain.

But now she’s feeling better.

That’s it in a nutshell.

So I’ve been taking a break from commenting and feeding my newfound “Lost” addiction while waiting for hourly updates from my dad the doctor.

24 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:28:25pm

re: #16 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What’s the Guinness record for longest tennis match?

The 5th set of this match alone has beaten the total longest time of any other match, which was about 6:33. They have literally played all day, because their match was suspended after four hours last night because of light.

25 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:28:40pm

re: #23 Cato the Elder

Glad to hear the worst is past, Cato, and that your mother is on the mend.

26 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:28:45pm

re: #16 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What’s the Guinness record for longest tennis match?

Apparently this one is going to take it.

27 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:29:19pm

re: #23 Cato the Elder

Update on me mum:

They say the worst bacteria of all live in the human mouth.

So, back on Saturday, my mom and dad were going to a church meeting and she tripped on an uneven spot in Baltimore’s ancient concrete sidewalks and did a literal face-plant.

She looks like someone took a hammer to her. And she was picking gravel out of her teeth on the way to the ER.

So, two days go by and she wakes up with a swollen right wrist, tingling, numbness, and major pain.

Turns out, if you injure your mouth even to the extent of a minor gum wound, the bugs go straight from there to whatever part of your body is weakest and settle in for a feast.

They had to induce a nerve-block at her shoulder to stop the pain.

But now she’s feeling better.

That’s it in a nutshell.

So I’ve been taking a break from commenting and feeding my newfound “Lost” addiction while waiting for hourly updates from my dad the doctor.

Thanks for the update, I had no clue your mom was not well.
Wow. What an awful experience for her but glad to hear things are better.

28 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:29:39pm

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apparently this one is going to take it.

get in there and finish the match…buncha sissies

29 KingKenrod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:30:05pm

re: #14 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’d say that’s what caused the tongue-lashing from the leadership, not the framing of the escrow account as a “shakedown,” but the apology. If he’d stopped at calling it a “shakedown,” they’d have quietly agreed that that’s the way the party viewed it and not demanded he “apologize” for his apology.

The apology was the “Oh shit!” moment for the leadership, and now that he’s “apologized” for it, they want to continue full-steam ahead with the ODS. The sad part is that, should they reap huge rewards in November, they will attribute them not to anti-incumbent sentiment that strikes the voters in every mid-term, but to the Tea Partiers and like-minded loons.

Exactly. The apology was a gaffe, the “shakedown” meme is a continuing effort by the GOP to frame Obama as a gangsta crook.

30 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:30:10pm

re: #24 Renaissance_Man

The 5th set of this match alone has beaten the total longest time of any other match, which was about 6:33. They have literally played all day, because their match was suspended after four hours last night because of light.

Wow.

31 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:31:09pm

re: #30 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Wow.

It’ll be interesting to see how they play tomorrow…either way, the winner is screwed when he plays in the next round.

32 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:31:11pm

re: #21 darthstar

Australia wins, but won’t advance, as they gave up more goals than Ghana.

On the bright side, it’s only soccer, and at least the whiny-ass Serbs get to scurry away home.

33 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:31:45pm

re: #27 reine.de.tout

Thanks for the update, I had no clue your mom was not well.
Wow. What an awful experience for her but glad to hear things are better.

no doubt she’s probably teaching proper English to the nursing staff

34 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:31:53pm

re: #32 Renaissance_Man

On the bright side, it’s only soccer, and at least the whiny-ass Serbs get to scurry away home.

It’ll be USA-Ghana on Saturday, and England will play Germany.

35 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:31:57pm

re: #9 Rightwingconspirator

The top 20 recipients of oil money
[Link: www.opensecrets.org…]

Coming in at #17
Barton, Joe (R-TX) House $100,470

BTW #1 is… *drum roll please*
Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR) Senate $286,400

Career totals:

Joe Barton - Career (Oil and Gas): $1,448,380
Blanche Lincoln - Career (Oil and Gas): $558,375

Barton wins!

36 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:32:23pm

Check.

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:33:04pm

re: #23 Cato the Elder

Update on me mum:

They say the worst bacteria of all live in the human mouth.

So, back on Saturday, my mom and dad were going to a church meeting and she tripped on an uneven spot in Baltimore’s ancient concrete sidewalks and did a literal face-plant.

She looks like someone took a hammer to her. And she was picking gravel out of her teeth on the way to the ER.

So, two days go by and she wakes up with a swollen right wrist, tingling, numbness, and major pain.

Turns out, if you injure your mouth even to the extent of a minor gum wound, the bugs go straight from there to whatever part of your body is weakest and settle in for a feast.

They had to induce a nerve-block at her shoulder to stop the pain.

But now she’s feeling better.

That’s it in a nutshell.

So I’ve been taking a break from commenting and feeding my newfound “Lost” addiction while waiting for hourly updates from my dad the doctor.

Glad she’s feeling better. That sounds awful. Best wishes to everyone.

38 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:33:05pm

re: #18 Walter L. Newton

What do you consider him?

If she’s a lefty, i’m a ham sandwich. The left hates Blanche Lincoln.

39 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:33:26pm

re: #2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

Yes, but they do not deserve to win.

The GOP will put this country into a moral, intellectual and economic gutter.

40 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:34:05pm

re: #35 Gus 802

Career totals:

Joe Barton - Career (Oil and Gas): $1,448,380
Blanche Lincoln - Career (Oil and Gas): $558,375

Barton wins!

he likely had a chat with the Chairman of BP before the hearings…set the parameters etc

41 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:34:07pm

re: #23 Cato the Elder

Update on me mum:

They say the worst bacteria of all live in the human mouth.

So, back on Saturday, my mom and dad were going to a church meeting and she tripped on an uneven spot in Baltimore’s ancient concrete sidewalks and did a literal face-plant.

She looks like someone took a hammer to her. And she was picking gravel out of her teeth on the way to the ER.

So, two days go by and she wakes up with a swollen right wrist, tingling, numbness, and major pain.

Turns out, if you injure your mouth even to the extent of a minor gum wound, the bugs go straight from there to whatever part of your body is weakest and settle in for a feast.

They had to induce a nerve-block at her shoulder to stop the pain.

But now she’s feeling better.

That’s it in a nutshell.

So I’ve been taking a break from commenting and feeding my newfound “Lost” addiction while waiting for hourly updates from my dad the doctor.

I am glad she is doing better. Be wel yourself Cato.

42 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:34:30pm

re: #38 Fozzie Bear

If she’s a lefty, i’m a ham sandwich. The left hates Blanche Lincoln.

The left is not to happy with Obama? I can’t keep up with all the different levels of what purports to be the “left.”

43 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:35:01pm

re: #35 Gus 802

For now, but may be catching up fast. In any case both are bought out and paid in full.

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:35:10pm

“Chicago Shakedown”, eh?

HOG Butcher for the World,
Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,
Player with Railroads and the Nation’s Freight Handler;
Stormy, husky, brawling,
City of the Big Shoulders:

They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I
have seen your painted women under the gas lamps
luring the farm boys.
And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: Yes, it
is true I have seen the gunman kill and go free to
kill again.
And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the
faces of women and children I have seen the marks
of wanton hunger.
And having answered so I turn once more to those who
sneer at this my city, and I give them back the sneer
and say to them:
Come and show me another city with lifted head singing
so proud to be alive and coarse and strong and cunning.
Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on
job, here is a tall bold slugger set vivid against the
little soft cities;

Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cunning
as a savage pitted against the wilderness,
Bareheaded,
Shoveling,
Wrecking,
Planning,
Building, breaking, rebuilding,
Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with
white teeth,
Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young
man laughs,
Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has
never lost a battle,
Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse.
and under his ribs the heart of the people,
Laughing!
Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of
Youth, half-naked, sweating, proud to be Hog
Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player with
Railroads and Freight Handler to the Nation.

45 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:35:21pm

OT: Wow, is anyone else watching FOX news attempt to set up N.J. Governor Christie for a presidential run?

I’m surprised the interviewer hasn’t gone down on his knees and given Christie a blow-job yet. “So in the first sixty days you cut pensions, cut teacher pay, and announced a 9% cut in state spending across the board? OMG can I possibly be allowed to lick your toes?”

Someone tell me I’m not seeing Fox trying to test the waters about backing him for a national run? With two years to go to give him daily support and play cheerleader?

46 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:35:32pm

re: #38 Fozzie Bear

Right wing Democrat?

47 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:35:41pm

re: #40 albusteve

he likely had a chat with the Chairman of BP before the hearings…set the parameters etc

Yep! /

Probably not. I’d be willing to bet that Tony Hayward and top BP management probably would have preferred if Barton kept his mouth shut.

48 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:36:03pm

re: #29 KingKenrod

Exactly. The apology was a gaffe, the “shakedown” meme is a continuing effort by the GOP to frame Obama as a gangsta crook.

That has to be one of the funniest memes out there about Obama, that he’s some kinda “Chicago-style gangster.” I can’t help but picture him in DeNiro’s place as Capone during the famous “Baseball” speech.

49 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:36:22pm

re: #46 Rightwingconspirator

Right wing Democrat?

Yes. they call them “blue dogs”.

Unlike the GOP, the DNC is not monolithic.

50 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:37:15pm

re: #49 Fozzie Bear

Yes. they call them “blue dogs”.

Unlike the GOP, the DNC is not monolithic.

You’d think people on a political blog would know this.

51 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:37:32pm

re: #43 Rightwingconspirator

For now, but may be catching up fast. In any case both are bought out and paid in full.

Yeah, Barton’s an old timer so to speak. It’s also not secret that Democrats take plenty of oil money.

Expect much more to come given the Citizen’s United ruling. Welcome to the new corporate America! (I say somewhat with tongue in cheek.)

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:37:34pm

re: #42 Walter L. Newton

The left is not to happy with Obama? I can’t keep up with all the different levels of what purports to be the “left.”

I think most centrist liberals are fine with Obama.

The farther left is angry with him, especially those who somehow convinced themselves he was worth voting for, rather than going with the ethically pure seventh-or-eighth-party candidate.

53 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:37:54pm

re: #47 Gus 802

Yep! /

Probably not. I’d be willing to bet that Tony Hayward and top BP management probably would have preferred if Barton kept his mouth shut.

well that’s for sure…but I read where Hayward really disappointed the Chairman with his lackluster performance at the hearing

54 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:38:09pm

re: #50 WindUpBird

You’d think people on a political blog would know this.

I’m well aware of it. I just like to hear lefties admit it. It’s a nice way of saying we don’t agree on much.

55 Failing Eye Sight  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:38:59pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How can the GOP issue so many statements when the have the oil companies’ dicks in their mouth?

Haven’t they been accused of being two-faced before?

56 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:39:15pm

re: #46 Rightwingconspirator

Right wing Democrat?

Yes, back in the dark days before Nixon’s Southern Strategy and Ronald Reagan, the biggest conservatives in Congress were Southern Democrats.

But dear Blanche is at least not apologizing to BP for making them take responsibility for their mistakes, perhaps because she believes in the “conwervative” ideal of personal (and corporate) responsibility.

57 cliffster  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:39:24pm

John Boehner just said Obama did the right thing giving McChrystal the boot. Liberal heads explode everywhere. I’m sure there will be spin on that statement that tries to make him seem extreme right for saying it.

58 ryannon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:39:28pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

Studs Terkel is the man to read if you want to get a feeling for what Chicago is. I was born there, by the way.

59 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:40:13pm

re: #48 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That has to be one of the funniest memes out there about Obama, that he’s some kinda “Chicago-style gangster.” I can’t help but picture him in DeNiro’s place as Capone during the famous “Baseball” speech.

Chicago definitely has style…follow the Blago gig, and BO is straight out of that famed machine

60 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:40:59pm

re: #50 WindUpBird

You’d think people on a political blog would know this.

I’m here for the free snacks

61 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:41:00pm

With the BP Macondo project disaster ongoing, people are digging out videos of all sorts of drilling disasters. Here is a fascinating one:

62 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:41:54pm

“a small mistake can have huge consequences”

63 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:42:09pm

re: #48 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That has to be one of the funniest memes out there about Obama, that he’s some kinda “Chicago-style gangster.” I can’t help but picture him in DeNiro’s place as Capone during the famous “Baseball” speech.

Correction… “some Chicago-style politician” I can’t help imagine the Daley’s.

64 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:42:32pm

re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist

I think most centrist liberals are fine with Obama.

The farther left is angry with him, especially those who somehow convinced themselves he was worth voting for, rather than going with the ethically pure seventh-or-eighth-party candidate.

Grumble.

65 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:42:50pm

Good Afternoon Lizards!
I’m not late today.. I’m early for tomorrow..

66 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:43:13pm

Just went back and looked at the blog events since Saturday.

My favorite thing was Haley Barber explaining how making BP put aside money to pay for the Deepwater Horizon disaster will prevent BP from making money to pay for the Deepwater Horizon disaster.

My second-favorite thing was remembering how so many people here used to talk about Obama being a “Chicago thug” shaking down the corporations.

Oh, the deliciousness.

67 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:44:20pm

re: #18 Walter L. Newton

What do you consider him?

A woman. I hope we can agree on that much.

68 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:44:37pm

re: #63 Walter L. Newton

Correction… “some Chicago-style politician” I can’t help imagine the Daley’s.

it’s easy to confuse crime with politics in Chicago

69 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:44:48pm

re: #66 Cato the Elder

Just went back and looked at the blog events since Saturday.

My favorite thing was Haley Barber explaining how making BP put aside money to pay for the Deepwater Horizon disaster will prevent BP from making money to pay for the Deepwater Horizon disaster.

My second-favorite thing was remembering how so many people here used to talk about Obama being a “Chicago thug” shaking down the corporations.

Oh, the deliciousness.

They still do.

70 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:45:46pm

OK, I need some cigs but here’s some more fodder for the range war :)

Oil & Gas: Money to Congress

House
Democrats: $18,933,924
Republicans: $44,566,251

Senate
Democrats: $11,762,854
Republicans: $29,016,168

This covers all election cycles at Opensecrets.

Here’s the top 20 members:

McCain, John (R-AZ) $2,677,064
Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX) $2,137,225
Gramm, Phil (R-TX) $1,682,814
Cornyn, John (R-TX) $1,638,450
Barton, Joe (R-TX) $1,447,880
Inhofe, James M (R-OK) $1,228,223
Pearce, Steve (R-NM) $981,272
Young, Don (R-AK) $980,263
Obama, Barack (D) $973,051

McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) $860,261
Nickles, Don (R-OK) $841,388
Vitter, David (R-LA) $783,835
Dole, Bob (R) $781,705
Landrieu, Mary L (D-LA) $757,744
Domenici, Pete V (R-NM) $747,897
DeLay, Tom (R-TX) $689,840
Conaway, Mike (R-TX) $651,718
Sessions, Pete (R-TX) $642,864
Tiahrt, Todd (R-KS) $618,773
Santorum, Rick (R-PA) $614,178

You might see a couple of familiar names there.

71 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:46:21pm

re: #67 Nimed

A woman. I hope we can agree on that much.

No way… I never agree with a lefty. You may say he’s a woman, but where’s your proof? Prove it to me… otherwise, stifle it Edith.

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:46:42pm

re: #54 Walter L. Newton

I’m well aware of it. I just like to hear lefties admit it. It’s a nice way of saying we don’t agree on much.

?

73 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:47:17pm

re: #50 WindUpBird

You’d think people on a political blog would know this.

I know the phrase well. I also find calling the GOP monolithic silly. If true there would be no RINO accusations.
Or-
California Republicans as compared to Texas Republicans. Not exactly cut from the same cloth now are they?

74 cliffster  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:47:42pm

re: #48 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That has to be one of the funniest memes out there about Obama, that he’s some kinda “Chicago-style gangster.” I can’t help but picture him in DeNiro’s place as Capone during the famous “Baseball” speech.

Say, uhhh, hello to my leeetle, uhhh, friend.

75 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:49:07pm

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

?

Correction…

I’m well aware of it. I just like to hear lefties admit it. It’s a nice way of saying the left doesn’t agree on much.

76 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:49:43pm

re: #73 Rightwingconspirator

I know the phrase well. I also find calling the GOP monolithic silly. If true there would be no RINO accusations.
Or-
California Republicans as compared to Texas Republicans. Not exactly cut from the same cloth now are they?

There is a much narrower range of acceptable opinion in the GOP than in the DNC.

77 ShaunP  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:49:56pm

re: #74 cliffster

Say, uhhh, hello to my leeetle, uhhh, friend.

Downding for not knowing the difference between deniro and pacino. Or Scarface and Al Capone for that matter…

78 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:50:12pm

re: #75 Walter L. Newton

Correction…

I’m well aware of it. I just like to hear lefties admit it. It’s a nice way of saying the left doesn’t agree on much.

Of course it’s true. It’s a sign people have their own opinions. It would be nice to see more dissent in the GOP.

79 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:50:22pm

re: #76 Fozzie Bear

There is a much narrower range of acceptable opinion in the GOP than in the DNC.

Same thing as saying the DNC is all over the fucking map.

80 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:50:27pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

Well let’s compare that to a Texas shakedown….

Texas,

Crass Jesus for the World,
Gun tootin’ Burner of Books,
Player with Cattle and the Nation’s Oil Baron;
Stormy, husky, brawling,
State of the Big Hats:

They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I
have seen your painted women evangelizing
luring the farm boys.

And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: Yes, it
is true I have seen the gunman kill and go free to
kill again.

And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the
faces of women and children I have seen the marks
of wanton hunger.

And having answered so I turn once more to those who
sneer at this my city, and I give them back the sneer
and say to them:

Come and show me another state with lifted head singing
so proud to be backward and coarse and dumb and heartless.
Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on
job, here is a tall bold cowboy set vivid against the
little soft states;

Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cruel
as a savage pitted against the brown people,
Big Hatted,
Ignorant,
Wrecking,
Planning,
Building, breaking, rebuilding,
Under the dust, whiskey over his mouth, laughing with
yellow teeth,
Under the terrible burden of greed, laughing as a young
man laughs,
Laughing even as an ignorant ranch hand laughs who has
never read a great book,
Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse.
and under his ribs the heart of the self righteous,
Laughing!
Laughing the stupid, drooling, brawling laughter of
Fools, half-naked, sweating, proud to be Hog
Retard, Gun Tootin’ Burner of Books, Player with
Cattle and Oil Baron to the Nation.

81 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:51:03pm

re: #50 WindUpBird

Of course just being inadequately leftist gets the same Blue Dog moniker…
I suppose the left would hate anyone for this awful action

“Lincoln also helped form the Moderate Dems Working Group, a coalition of moderate Senate Democrats who work with Senate leadership and the administration toward finding bipartisan solutions to controversial political issues. In addition, she co-founded and currently co-chairs Third Way, a moderate think-tank whose self-described goals are “an economic agenda that is focused on growth and middle class success; a culture of shared values; a national security approach that is both tough and smart; and a clean energy revolution.” [15]”

82 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:51:12pm

re: #79 Walter L. Newton

Same thing as saying the DNC is all over the fucking map.

“I have never belonged to any organized political party. I’m a democrat.”

83 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:51:43pm

re: #73 Rightwingconspirator

I know the phrase well. I also find calling the GOP monolithic silly. If true there would be no RINO accusations.
Or-
California Republicans as compared to Texas Republicans. Not exactly cut from the same cloth now are they?

you’d think people on a political blog would know this….I think it blew away the dems when the GOP held firm against BOs legislation…pissed them off because they couldn’t sweet talk more republicans onto the wagon…of course they did buy off Ben Nelson, that was something to rave about

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:52:14pm

re: #75 Walter L. Newton

Correction…

I’m well aware of it. I just like to hear lefties admit it. It’s a nice way of saying the left doesn’t agree on much.

From, say, me all the way out left to, say, Bob Avakian? No, that’s a pretty big range.

But the farther reaches of the left do not have much (really, anything worth mentioning) in the way of political representation, so when you’re dealing with an actual member of Congress, you’re looking at someone largely elected by center-leaning Democrats.

85 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:52:21pm

re: #76 Fozzie Bear

There is a much narrower range of acceptable opinion in the GOP than in the DNC.

can you demonstrate what you mean?

86 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:52:43pm

re: #79 Walter L. Newton

Same thing as saying the DNC is all over the fucking map.

Well it’s a good thing that the righties (RNC) are in agreement regarding Intelligent Design.

/

87 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:52:54pm

re: #61 freetoken

BP Macondo? Is that the name of the well the Deepwater Horizon was drilling?

88 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:53:21pm

re: #85 albusteve

can you demonstrate what you mean?

Sure. Read this blog daily. Consider it demonstrated.

89 cliffster  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:53:28pm

re: #77 ShaunP

Downding for not knowing the difference between deniro and pacino. Or Scarface and Al Capone for that matter…

Fair enough. I do know the difference (of course). You just can’t compete with “Say hello to my leeetle friend!” in terms of comic value. Scarface has it all - one could say something about Obama throwing his face into a pile of cocaine and then shooting like a madman, but that would be pushing it.

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:53:30pm

re: #79 Walter L. Newton

Same thing as saying the DNC is all over the fucking map.

We believe in diversity.

91 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:54:39pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

From, say, me all the way out left to, say, Bob Avakian? No, that’s a pretty big range.

But the farther reaches of the left do not have much (really, anything worth mentioning) in the way of political representation, so when you’re dealing with an actual member of Congress, you’re looking at someone largely elected by center-leaning Democrats.

Bernie Sanders

92 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:54:48pm

re: #75 Walter L. Newton

Correction…

I’m well aware of it. I just like to hear lefties admit it. It’s a nice way of saying the left doesn’t agree on much.

As opposed to the Right who all proclaim undying allegiance to mostly made up talking points and have no individual thoughts or ideas of their own? :p

93 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:55:22pm

re: #92 ausador

As opposed to the Right who all proclaim undying allegiance to mostly made up talking points and have no individual thoughts or ideas of their own? :p

Yup.

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:55:32pm

re: #89 cliffster

Fair enough. I do know the difference (of course). You just can’t compete with “Say hello to my leeetle friend!” in terms of comic value. Scarface has it all - one could say something about Obama throwing his face into a pile of cocaine and then shooting like a madman, but that would be pushing it.

I must confess to hating that line with a passion. I once had a middle-school student, a child with a number of other problems, who loved that movie to distraction, and would do the ‘say hello to my leetle friend’ OVER and OVER and OVER.

95 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:56:33pm

re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

I must confess to hating that line with a passion. I once had a middle-school student, a child with a number of other problems, who loved that movie to distraction, and would do the ‘say hello to my leetle friend’ OVER and OVER and OVER.

Perhaps the problem was that his parents let him watch Scarface?

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:57:13pm

re: #91 Walter L. Newton

Bernie Sanders

Sure, there’s one Socialist. Socialist, not Communist, not People’s Liberation Army of Vermont. And he was still, I’m going to hazard a guess, elected primarily by centrist liberal types.

97 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:57:15pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

We believe in diversity.

that’s fine until diversity becomes law, or in the case of sanctuary cities, defying the law…I like diversity myself, NM is chock full of it

98 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:57:30pm

re: #92 ausador

As opposed to the Right who all proclaim undying allegiance to mostly made up talking points and have no individual thoughts or ideas of their own? :p

Neither way is responsible or logical… the right is too lockstep with certain issues and the left is all over the place… that’s not diversity, that’s chaos.

If you prefer one to the other, you have a problem. I don’t like either. And I’ll shoot down any of them who are acting like partisan fools, either side, any fool.

99 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:58:03pm

re: #92 ausador

As opposed to the Right who all proclaim undying allegiance to mostly made up talking points and have no individual thoughts or ideas of their own? :p

meme….yawn

100 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:58:38pm

re: #81 Rightwingconspirator

Of course just being inadequately leftist gets the same Blue Dog moniker…
I suppose the left would hate anyone for this awful action

“Lincoln also helped form the Moderate Dems Working Group, a coalition of moderate Senate Democrats who work with Senate leadership and the administration toward finding bipartisan solutions to controversial political issues. In addition, she co-founded and currently co-chairs Third Way, a moderate think-tank whose self-described goals are “an economic agenda that is focused on growth and middle class success; a culture of shared values; a national security approach that is both tough and smart; and a clean energy revolution.” [15]”

But the Democratic really has an ideologically more diverse base. Check this out:
[Link: yglesias.thinkprogress.org…]

This is not necessarily a good thing — it’s a recipe for lack of cohesion and infighting.

101 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:58:52pm

re: #95 Fozzie Bear

Perhaps the problem was that his parents let him watch Scarface?

The problems this kid had just STARTED there.

He tried to convince me to let him name his reading group Mara Salvatrucha, claiming that to be the name of the Salvadoran national soccer team.

No, honey, the gringa maestra isn’t THAT dumb.

102 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:59:19pm

re: #76 Fozzie Bear

There is a much narrower range of acceptable opinion in the GOP than in the DNC.

I actually think the GOP, such as it is, has a paradoxically wider range of opinions that are acceptable to their base. This is because much of the GOP base is capable of holding two contradictory opinions as both true, as long as none of the central tenets are violated. Afghanistan, for example. It is quite acceptable to the GOP base to be both pro-war in Afghanistan (before 2008, support the troops, etc.) and against war in Afghanistan (hate Obama and lefties). As long as the central tenets of the faith are kept, which are to hate Obama and the left in general, it’s quite possible to hold diverging and even shifting opinions on any issue.

103 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:59:20pm

Southern man
better keep your head
Don’t forget
what your good book said
Southern change
gonna come at last
Now your crosses
are burning fast
Southern man

I saw cotton
and I saw black
Tall white mansions
and little shacks.
Southern man
when will you
pay them back?
I heard screamin’
and bullwhips cracking
How long? How long?

Southern man
better keep your head
Don’t forget
what your good book said
Southern change
gonna come at last
Now your crosses
are burning fast
Southern man

Lily Belle,
your hair is golden brown
I’ve seen your black man
comin’ round
Swear by God
I’m gonna cut him down!
I heard screamin’
and bullwhips cracking
How long? How long?

104 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:59:48pm

re: #79 Walter L. Newton

Same thing as saying the DNC is all over the fucking map.

Which is the same thing as saying OMG the Republicans inject kool-aid straight into their eyeballs!

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:00:30pm

re: #104 goddamnedfrank

Which is the same thing as saying OMG the Republicans inject kool-aid straight into their eyeballs!

Hardcore.

106 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:00:33pm

re: #104 goddamnedfrank

Which is the same thing as saying OMG the Republicans inject kool-aid straight into their eyeballs!

haha!….they do?

107 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:00:42pm

re: #104 goddamnedfrank

Which is the same thing as saying OMG the Republicans inject kool-aid straight into their eyeballs!

They call the needle “Fox News”.

108 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:01:18pm

re: #104 goddamnedfrank

Which is the same thing as saying OMG the Republicans inject kool-aid straight into their eyeballs!

No kidding… you think there is any love lost with me for either batch of jerks… at least I have the no-partisan balls to call the shots for what they are… talking about kool-aid… you must own stock in the partisan kool aid company. Good luck with that.

109 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:02:38pm

re: #108 Walter L. Newton

No kidding… you think there is any love lost with me for either batch of jerks… at least I have the no-partisan balls to call the shots for what they are… talking about kool-aid… you must own stock in the partisan kool aid company. Good luck with that.

I’m not a republican, but I’m a wingnut….sluuurp!

110 cliffster  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:02:59pm

re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

I must confess to hating that line with a passion. I once had a middle-school student, a child with a number of other problems, who loved that movie to distraction, and would do the ‘say hello to my leetle friend’ OVER and OVER and OVER.

“Middle-school student who loves Scarface” - that’s a problem in and of itself.

111 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:03:11pm

Barton Tweeted an article that said he was right to apologize to BP…and then quickly deleted it…but someone got a screen shot.


[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com…]

112 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:04:07pm

re: #111 darthstar

And one of his aides takes full responsibility…right.

113 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:05:27pm

re: #108 Walter L. Newton

No kidding… you think there is any love lost with me for either batch of jerks… at least I have the no-partisan balls to call the shots for what they are… talking about kool-aid… you must own stock in the partisan kool aid company. Good luck with that.

Well, those no-partisan balls must be the only impartial part of your body. On the rest, you’re a pretty typical right-winger (except for the God stuff).

114 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:06:01pm

re: #99 albusteve

meme…yawn

When they start acting in any kind of way to disprove the “meme” they will get my support back, until then they can go eff themselves…

(It isn’t a meme when they prove it over and over by jointly backing all the ridiculous “Rightwing” talking points even when they are complete lies)

115 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:06:35pm

re: #109 albusteve

I’m not a republican, but I’m a wingnut…sluuurp!

Admitting you have a problem is the first step.

116 ShaunP  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:07:57pm

re: #112 darthstar

And one of his aides takes full responsibility…right.

I have 100% confidence that Barton doesn’t have a clue how to use Twitter or a url shortener…

117 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:08:13pm

re: #113 Nimed

Well, those no-partisan balls must be the only impartial part of your body. On the rest, you’re a pretty typical right-winger (except for the God stuff).

You haven’t been around her long enough to have any fucking idea where I am coming from. Right winger implies far right… is that what you mean… you need to be careful, because a lot of people much smarter than you surmised they thought they knew where I was coming from only to have the rug pulled right out from under them.

You’re partisan bullshit is showing again.

118 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:08:34pm

re: #114 ausador

When they start acting in any kind of way to disprove the “meme” they will get my support back, until then they can go eff themselves…

(It isn’t a meme when they prove it over and over by jointly backing all the ridiculous “Rightwing” talking points even when they are complete lies)

I care how people vote, not talk…don’t care what color they are, what party they are, who they hang out with, or who speaks for them on TV…don’t care about talking points or memes…voting is the bottom line, the rest is fluff

119 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:09:18pm

re: #115 Nimed

Admitting you have a problem is the first step.

you wouldn’t believe all the stuff I am now…I need to keep a list

120 tnguitarist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:09:45pm

re: #98 Walter L. Newton

Neither way is responsible or logical… the right is too lockstep with certain issues and the left is all over the place… that’s not diversity, that’s chaos.

If you prefer one to the other, you have a problem. I don’t like either. And I’ll shoot down any of them who are acting like partisan fools, either side, any fool.

So…..you don’t like diversity or lockstep beliefs? What’s in between?

121 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:10:42pm

re: #117 Walter L. Newton

You haven’t been around her long enough to have any fucking idea where I am coming from. Right winger implies far right… is that what you mean… you need to be careful, because a lot of people much smarter than you surmised they thought they knew where I was coming from only to have the rug pulled right out from under them.

You’re partisan bullshit is showing again.

you gonna to the Rug Trick again?….cool beans!

122 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:11:24pm

re: #120 tnguitarist

So…you don’t like diversity or lockstep beliefs? What’s in between?

Reality.

123 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:12:06pm

re: #113 Nimed

Well, those no-partisan balls must be the only impartial part of your body. On the rest, you’re a pretty typical right-winger (except for the God stuff).

And what do you mean by the “god stuff?”

124 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:12:51pm

re: #120 tnguitarist

So…you don’t like diversity or lockstep beliefs? What’s in between?

Logic and reason, but that is kinda hard to pull off in this partisan climate, you’ll never get elected in the first place by trying to be reasonable and logical.

/sigh…

125 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:13:11pm

re: #123 Walter L. Newton

And what do you mean by the “god stuff?”

prog code for heathen

126 zora  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:14:14pm

re: #118 albusteve

so i guess obama voted like a gangster? he is about as gangster as bryant gumbel.

127 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:14:19pm

re: #123 Walter L. Newton

And what do you mean by the “god stuff?”

That maybe you know more about theology than just about anybody on this Board..

128 tnguitarist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:14:28pm

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

Reality.

Diversity is reality.

129 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:15:31pm

re: #126 zora

so i guess obama voted like a gangster? he is about as gangster as bryant gumbel.

gangsters don’t vote ‘present’
I saw that on TV

130 Failing Eye Sight  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:15:38pm

Looks like we have some putative centrists that look like righties who have their panties in a knot.

131 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:16:05pm

re: #116 ShaunP

I have 100% confidence that Barton doesn’t have a clue how to use Twitter or a url shortener…

I think in the GOP, ‘twitter’ is a nickname for someone who toe-taps in the men’s room.

132 zora  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:16:18pm

re: #129 albusteve

then he’s been vindicated. thanks.
/

133 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:16:37pm

Got my cigs.

It’s like Hooterville out there this afternoon. I must be grumpy.

134 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:16:43pm

re: #130 b_sharp

Looks like we have some putative centrists that look like righties who have their panties in a knot.

keep your face out of my panties, thanks

135 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:17:09pm

re: #132 zora

then he’s been vindicated. thanks.
/

vindicated from what?

136 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:17:50pm

re: #113 Nimed

Well, those no-partisan balls must be the only impartial part of your body. On the rest, you’re a pretty typical right-winger (except for the God stuff).

Careful, careful, impugning others beliefs is banning grounds not just on this blog but on many, at least if the admin is paying attention. You really don’t want to go there.

You can explain your own beliefs or lack of in detail, but never ever refer to someone else’s it is extremely bad netiquette.

137 Failing Eye Sight  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:18:14pm

re: #129 albusteve

gangsters don’t vote ‘present’
I saw that on TV

Voting ‘present’ is equivalent to voting ‘no’ in some traditions. Is that not so?

138 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:18:36pm

re: #130 b_sharp

Looks like we have some putative centrists that look like righties who have their panties in a knot.

You know how they say…

Tighty righties…

Woot!

/Jumps into foxhole.

139 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:19:10pm

re: #137 b_sharp

Voting ‘present’ is equivalent to voting ‘no’ in some traditions. Is that not so?

I don’t think so…how in the hell do you conclude that?

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:19:12pm

re: #126 zora

so i guess obama voted like a gangster? he is about as gangster as bryant gumbel.

“White people love Barack Obama because Barack Obama makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X.”

141 Firstinla  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:19:31pm

re: #23 Cato the Elder

Prayers and best wishes to you and your family.

142 zora  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:19:38pm

re: #135 albusteve

your gangster / thug accusations and insinuations. there are real gangsters is chicago and believe me, they are nothing like obama.

143 Failing Eye Sight  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:19:47pm

re: #134 albusteve

keep your face out of my panties, thanks

Can’t do that Steve, you’re wearing them wrong.

144 tnguitarist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:20:09pm

re: #140 SanFranciscoZionist

“White people love Barack Obama because Barack Obama makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X.”

You beat me to it.

145 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:20:28pm

re: #142 zora

your gangster / thug accusations and insinuations. there are real gangsters is chicago and believe me, they are nothing like obama.

you’re confusing me with someone else

146 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:22:17pm

So, this morning I was reading that McChrystal and his staff got a little boozed up for the interview with Rolling Stone.

Anything ever come of McChrystal’s involvement in the cover up of Pat Tillman’s death?

147 zora  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:22:58pm

re: #145 albusteve

then i apologize.

148 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:23:08pm

Well.

I go away for a few days and people are at each other’s throats.

Who would have guessed?

149 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:23:31pm

re: #127 HoosierHoops

That maybe you know more about theology than just about anybody on this Board..

I doubt that.

150 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:23:37pm

Then there was the “accidental” leaking of classified documents by McChrystal.

151 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:24:00pm

re: #146 Gus 802

So, this morning I was reading that McChrystal and his staff got a little boozed up for the interview with Rolling Stone.

Anything ever come of McChrystal’s involvement in the cover up of Pat Tillman’s death?

everything I read today, and only the most brief mention, and that didn’t go anywhere

152 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:24:17pm

re: #147 zora

then i apologize.

no problem

153 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:24:32pm

re: #117 Walter L. Newton

You haven’t been around her long enough to have any fucking idea where I am coming from. Right winger implies far right… is that what you mean… you need to be careful, because a lot of people much smarter than you surmised they thought they knew where I was coming from only to have the rug pulled right out from under them.

You’re partisan bullshit is showing again.

Don’t pick on Nimed. I have been around here long enough to get to know your nonsense quite well.

154 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:24:42pm

re: #117 Walter L. Newton

You haven’t been around her long enough to have any fucking idea where I am coming from. Right winger implies far right… is that what you mean… you need to be careful, because a lot of people much smarter than you surmised they thought they knew where I was coming from only to have the rug pulled right out from under them.

You’re partisan bullshit is showing again.

1- If you can judge how smart I am or whether I’m showing my partisan bullshit, then I’m certainly in a position to judge your political positions from your comments.

2- Which are, by the way, nothing too fancy. Right-winger means right-winger, and you have typical right-wing positions in a lot of subjects, and you frequent spout the latest vague right-wing talking point about Obama.

3- It’s “your”, Walter.

155 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:25:23pm

re: #143 b_sharp

Can’t do that Steve, you’re wearing them wrong.

thongs are reversible

156 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:25:44pm

re: #136 ausador

Careful, careful, impugning others beliefs is banning grounds not just on this blog but on many, at least if the admin is paying attention. You really don’t want to go there.

Who’s impugning?

157 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:26:19pm

re: #148 Cato the Elder

Well.

I go away for a few days and people are at each other’s throats.

Who would have guessed?

not really….just a lot of riffing

158 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:26:55pm

re: #149 LudwigVanQuixote

I doubt that.

why?

159 9Iron  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:26:56pm

Not trying to hijack a thread here, but wanted the left’s opinion on George H.W. Bush now that we’re close to 20 years out on him. This comes from an article in the NY Times about Jeb (whom I don’t really want to discuss), but it seems to have a somewhat negative attitude towards George the Elder:

Neither George W. Bush nor his father ranks among the more successful presidents of our time, to put it politely.

Is this simply lumping in the father with the son, or do people really have bad feelings regarding H.W.? I’m just curious what the thoughts are, I’m really not here to defend the man except that in full disclosure I am conservative and admire his overall body of accomplishments. I’m much more interested in whether the left thinks about him.

Here’s the article on Jeb:
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

160 Failing Eye Sight  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:27:01pm

re: #139 albusteve

I don’t think so…how in the hell do you conclude that?


From information gained here.

The “present” vote in Illinois is sometimes cast by state lawmakers with a conflict of interest who would rather not weigh in on an issue. Other times, members use the option to object to certain parts of a bill, even though they may agree with its overall purpose.

“The ‘present’ vote is used, especially by more thoughtful legislators, not as a means of avoiding taking a position on an issue, but as a means of signaling concerns about an issue,” said state Rep. John Fritchey (D), an Obama supporter.

161 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:27:30pm

re: #153 LudwigVanQuixote

Don’t pick on Nimed. I have been around here long enough to get to know your nonsense quite well.

Thanks, Ludwig. To be fair, I did pick on Walter first. :)

162 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:28:42pm

re: #150 Gus 802

Then there was the “accidental” leaking of classified documents by McChrystal.

Why over analyze this? Any General is sworn by oath to obey the President. Any general that makes insubordinate remarks about any president gets fired. This is how it is. Even if the remarks of the general were correct, they would still get him fired. The military is subordinate tot eh civilian government. That is a core principle of our system.

I am appalled by seeing people even here whining that somehow the general was wrong for not “worshiping Obama.” That is utter crap. The system does not work that way, and actual conservatives would be the first to recognize that. Of course people who whine that talking point aren’t actual conservatives.

163 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:29:35pm

re: #162 LudwigVanQuixote

Why over analyze this?

Because I feel like doing whatever it is I’m doing?

164 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:29:42pm

re: #149 LudwigVanQuixote

I doubt that.

Hi Ludwig!
No Walter knows Theology.. I’d slot him somewhere in the top ten on this Board…I know it’s hard to believe I know a thing or two to judge this…
But I have even tried slipping past an obscure Scholar like Watchman past him and couldn’t do it.. Dude knows his stuff…
*waves* Hope you are well

165 Failing Eye Sight  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:29:52pm

re: #155 albusteve

thongs are reversible

But then your nose would be covered.

166 Failing Eye Sight  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:30:59pm

re: #157 albusteve

not really…just a lot of riffing

Bellicose banter, you might say.

167 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:31:05pm

re: #164 HoosierHoops

Hi Ludwig!
No Walter knows Theology.. I’d slot him somewhere in the top ten on this Board…I know it’s hard to believe I know a thing or two to judge this…
But I have even tried slipping past an obscure Scholar like Watchman past him and couldn’t do it.. Dude knows his stuff…
*waves* Hope you are well

Hoops you are a sweet and kind person no matter what. I admire that.

168 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:31:16pm

re: #160 b_sharp

blah blah…is a present vote yea or nay….that’s what decides the passage…I really don’t care if someone has intellectual issues…where are BOs Il senate records?….how did he express his reasoning to vote present?

169 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:31:42pm

re: #163 Gus 802

Because I feel like doing whatever it is I’m doing?

Don’t worry Gus, I agree with you.

170 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:31:48pm

re: #162 LudwigVanQuixote

Why over analyze this? Any General is sworn by oath to obey the President. Any general that makes insubordinate remarks about any president gets fired. This is how it is. Even if the remarks of the general were correct, they would still get him fired. The military is subordinate tot eh civilian government. That is a core principle of our system.

I am appalled by seeing people even here whining that somehow the general was wrong for not “worshiping Obama.” That is utter crap. The system does not work that way, and actual conservatives would be the first to recognize that. Of course people who whine that talking point aren’t actual conservatives.

BTW Just realized that I’m still waking up here.

171 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:31:49pm

re: #161 Nimed

Thanks, Ludwig. To be fair, I did pick on Walter first. :)

indeed
2 pts!

172 webevintage  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:32:12pm

re: #18 Walter L. Newton

What do you consider him?

Miz Blanche is a proud Blue Dog who only runs left when she thinks she might lose a primary.
The only lefty Dem from Arkansas in Congress was Vic Snyder and now that he is leaving Karl Rove’s caging buddy Tim Griffin might get his seat if the Dems don’t play as dirty as Griffin will be.

173 simoom  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:32:22pm

Some more BP escrow fund apologetics on the House floor by Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert:


Gohmert: There’s a brilliant man, named Thomas Sowell, and, uh, I didn’t vote for Barack Obama in 2008, but I sure would have voted for Thomas Sowell. Umm, this man, well, his article says quite a lot. His editorial, ummm, says here, and it’s just been posted this week, but uh, he says, “when Adolf Hitler was building up the Nazi movement in the 1920s,” and I’m quoting from Thomas Sowell in his editorial, “leading up to his taking power in the 1930s he deliberately sought to activate people who did not normally pay much attention to politics. Such people were a valuable addition to his political base since they were particularly susceptible to Hitler’s rhetoric and had far less basis for questioning his assumptions or his conclusions. Useful idiots was supposedly the term coined by V. I. Lenin to describe similarly unthinking supporters of his dictatorship in the Soviet Union.”

And this isn’t in the article, this is my comment, we have, we do have useful idiots today who are heard to say, “Wow! What we really need is for the president to be a dictator for a little while.” They know not what they say.

Gohmert: Just where in the Constitution of the United States does it say that a President has the authority to extract vast sums of money from a private enterprise and distribute it as he sees fit to whom ever he deems worthy of compensation. No where.

From David Weigel.

Sketchy Obama / Sowell juxtaposition - check.
Hitler reference - check.
Lenin reference - check.

174 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:33:21pm

re: #165 b_sharp

But then your nose would be covered.

ahahaa!….good one
you win

175 windsagio  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:33:57pm

re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote

Its part of Walters storyline on the board that he’s the Uberexpert on religion, its one of those things where you should really just nod and smile ;)

on a total OT: Man, its good to actually read the blog again, even just briefly. Been working straight doubles for days now, but almost done! ;) Hell of a week to miss taking part too, there have been some damn good juicy stories!

176 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:34:11pm

re: #153 LudwigVanQuixote

Don’t pick on Nimed. I have been around here long enough to get to know your nonsense quite well.

Don’t waste my time.

177 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:34:26pm

re: #173 simoom

Some more BP escrow fund apologetics on the House floor by Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert:

[Video]

From David Weigel.

Sketchy Obama / Sowell juxtaposition - check.
Hitler reference - check.
Lenin reference - check.

So let’s get this straight… Making a criminally negligent mega-corp pay for billions of dollars of damages it caused is Nazi like?

Disgusting. Utterly shameless, disgusting, vile maggots, these GOP are.

178 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:35:08pm

re: #176 Walter L. Newton

Don’t waste my time.

Walter, your entire existence is a waste of time.

179 elektramourns  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:35:28pm

What’s next…? workers comp benefits? if the company can do no wrong but an employee is injured due to the company, should the company have to pay out?

180 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:35:32pm

re: #169 LudwigVanQuixote

Don’t worry Gus, I agree with you.

Yep. I need more Mt. Dew and espresso roast.

McChrystal’s gone and Petraeus is in. Regardless it will freak out the militarists and wannabes because he fired one of their make believe Rambos. Some of them are even hoping for a coup!#tcot!!11ty

181 windsagio  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:35:42pm

re: #177 LudwigVanQuixote

A philosophy that government is automatically wrong, and the ‘free market’ is the best way to deal with EVERYTHING will naturally lead you into these kinds of moral cul-de-sacs.

182 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:35:43pm

re: #178 LudwigVanQuixote

Walter, your entire existence is a waste of time.

Yawn.

183 Failing Eye Sight  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:35:52pm

re: #168 albusteve

blah blah…is a present vote yea or nay…that’s what decides the passage…I really don’t care if someone has intellectual issues…where are BOs Il senate records?…how did he express his reasoning to vote present?

A better question would be, did the votes, his and/or others, help modify the articles?

Don’t let that dichotomous reasoning rule your judgment.

184 tnguitarist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:36:04pm

re: #173 simoom

Some more BP escrow fund apologetics on the House floor by Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert:

[Video]
From David Weigel.

Sketchy Obama / Sowell juxtaposition - check.
Hitler reference - check.
Lenin reference - check.

That’s disgusting. So, Obama got millions of people to vote that, historically don’t vote in big numbers (the young). That makes him Hitler? Is he saying those people shouldn’t be allowed to vote?

185 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:36:04pm

re: #178 LudwigVanQuixote

Walter, your entire existence is a waste of time.

very nice!….off to a good, hostile start

186 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:37:02pm

re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote

Hoops you are a sweet and kind person no matter what. I admire that.

Thank you Ludwig…Did Floral send you the pic of me with these huge Parrots sitting on me? I’m a little nuts too.. And never shy..:)
/I am smiling but I’m thinking ’ one of you bitches bite me I will ring your parrot effen neck’

187 windsagio  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:37:09pm

re: #184 tnguitarist

They’re allowed to vote, if they do it right ;)

188 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:37:14pm

re: #185 albusteve

very nice!…off to a good, hostile start

Actually, Stevo, I hold Walter in vastly higher esteem than you. He isn’t an utter troll. You, on the other hand, are immoral and ignorant.

189 tnguitarist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:38:24pm

re: #188 LudwigVanQuixote

Is it me, or is it hot in here?!?

190 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:38:35pm

Boat captain, despondent over spill, commits suicide

William Allen Kruse, 55, a charter boat captain recently hired by BP as a vessel of opportunity out of Gulf Shores, Ala., died Wednesday morning before 7:30 a.m. of a gunshot to the head, likely self-inflicted, authorities said.

“He had been quite despondent about the oil crisis,” said Stan Vinson, coroner for Baldwin County, which includes Gulf Shores.

Kruse, who lived with his family in nearby Foley, Ala., reported to work Wednesday morning as usual at the Gulf Shores Marina on Fort Morgan Road in Gulf Shores, Vinson said. He met up with his two deckhands at his boat, The Rookie. One of the deckhands later told Vinson that Kruse seemed his usual self, sending them to fetch ice while he pulled the boat around to the gas pumps.

As the deckhands walked off to get ice, they heard what sounded like a firecracker, Vinson said. They turned around but didn’t see anything out of the ordinary. So they proceeded to gather the ice and wait for Kruse at the pumps. “He never showed,” Vinson said.

191 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:38:44pm

re: #173 simoom

Some more BP escrow fund apologetics on the House floor by Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert:

[Video]

From David Weigel.

Sketchy Obama / Sowell juxtaposition - check.
Hitler reference - check.
Lenin reference - check.

I favorited and recommended this. I really think this would be a good one for Charles to threadify. Please recommend it to CJ everyone.

192 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:39:29pm

re: #189 tnguitarist

Is it me, or is it hot in here?!?

I’m feeling a little cranky right now. ;)

193 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:39:32pm

re: #188 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually, Stevo, I hold Walter in vastly higher esteem than you. He isn’t an utter troll. You, on the other hand, are immoral and ignorant.

I knew that….you repeat it several times a thread, got anything new?
basically I like you, so could you at least treat me like, say, a slug, for example?

194 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:39:37pm

re: #190 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Boat captain, despondent over spill, commits suicide

Uh oh, this sort of thing started happening after Katrina.

195 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:39:44pm

re: #181 windsagio

A philosophy that government is automatically wrong, and the ‘free market’ is the best way to deal with EVERYTHING will naturally lead you into these kinds of moral cul-de-sacs.

The government is not automatically wrong, and in this case BP is the responsible party. Considering the circumstances, the GOP should be totally behind making sure that BP is foremost taking care of the problem, taking care of the after effects and making as sure as possible that the problems be fixed, for now and in the future.

You can be a party that is generally for big business, but it makes no sense to be a party that supports big business with your eyes closed.

196 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:40:17pm
197 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:40:28pm

re: #188 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually, Stevo, I hold Walter in vastly higher esteem than you. He isn’t an utter troll. You, on the other hand, are immoral and ignorant.

Thank you Ludwig.

198 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:40:59pm

re: #184 tnguitarist

That’s disgusting. So, Obama got millions of people to vote that, historically don’t vote in big numbers (the young). That makes him Hitler? Is he saying those people shouldn’t be allowed to vote?

our govt is loaded with swell people like that

199 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:41:11pm

re: #189 tnguitarist

Is it me, or is it hot in here?!?

What do you play?
I have a green strat that is the sweetest guitar in the world.. And I use a studio pro amp…

200 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:41:20pm

re: #196 elektramourns

he will have to take on Nikki “Spread My Legs” Haley in South Carolina.
she is Palin’s little fave now…

Palin always picks her favorites after they’ve won, or are guaranteed a win…makes her look like a ‘king maker’…

201 Failing Eye Sight  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:41:27pm

re: #190 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Boat captain, despondent over spill, commits suicide

That is so frickin’ sad. Put another notch on BP’s gun handle.

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:41:48pm

re: #196 elektramourns

he will have to take on Nikki “Spread My Legs” Haley in South Carolina.
she is Palin’s little fave now…

Can we stick to attacking Haley for her political views?

203 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:41:53pm

re: #194 Gus 802

Uh oh, this sort of thing started happening after Katrina.

I can understand depression, but suicide just pisses me off as utterly contemptible and cowardly.

204 tnguitarist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:42:02pm

re: #192 LudwigVanQuixote

I’m feeling a little cranky right now. ;)

Jumped in feet first with all guns blazing! Woo!(do your best Ric Flair impression there)

205 windsagio  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:42:45pm

re: #204 tnguitarist

but the thread police are there to put him back in line so we’re not worried >>

206 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:43:05pm

Drive-by.

Did Murtha retain his leadership of the House Appropriations Defense Subcommittee after he libelled those Marines in 2005?

207 tnguitarist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:43:07pm

re: #199 HoosierHoops

What do you play?
I have a green strat that is the sweetest guitar in the world.. And I use a studio pro amp…

I’m a Strat man, but I’ve started making my own guitars!

208 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:43:26pm

re: #205 windsagio

but the thread police are there to put him back in line so we’re not worried >>

I didn’t see Obdicut online?

209 windsagio  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:43:51pm

Works just as well for blog commentators~

and off for one last shift before I get a few days of glorious recovery time :D

Y’all have a good evening ;)

210 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:44:17pm

re: #207 tnguitarist

I’m a Strat man, but I’ve started making my own guitars!

some serious coolness there

211 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:44:18pm

re: #76 Fozzie Bear

There is a much narrower range of acceptable opinion in the GOP than in the DNC.

Sorry, a bit late-
I’ll take your word for it. I have little care for party politics. I’m fed up with “party first” adherents in office or as candidates. At least around here those party loyalists I disagree with most are not running for office. I trust they are plenty glad I’m not running too. :)

Post Wing. Live it.™

212 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:44:22pm

re: #203 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I can understand depression, but suicide just pisses me off as utterly contemptible and cowardly.

I tend to think along the lines of “we really don’t know unless we’ve walked in their shoes” which could include the decision to take ones own life.

Anyway, odds are that this person had pre-existing issues prior to the oil spill. That is, he was well despondent or clinically depressed before the oil spill.

213 windsagio  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:44:24pm

re: #208 Walter L. Newton

Good zinger, you jerk :D

214 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:44:34pm

re: #206 MandyManners

Drive-by.

Did Murtha retain his leadership of the House Appropriations Defense Subcommittee after he libelled those Marines in 2005?

The last I checked, Murtha is still dead.

215 elektramourns  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:45:14pm

re: #177 LudwigVanQuixote

So let’s get this straight… Making a criminally negligent mega-corp pay for billions of dollars of damages it caused is Nazi like?

Disgusting. Utterly shameless, disgusting, vile maggots, these GOP are.


can you tell me how you really feel? you are soooooooo vague

216 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:45:30pm

re: #214 darthstar

The last I checked, Murtha is still dead.

afraid of the truth?

217 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:45:49pm

re: #216 albusteve

afraid of the truth?

Ask him.

218 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:45:53pm

re: #214 darthstar

The last I checked, Murtha is still dead.

Wrong… you missed the question… and the answer.

219 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:46:09pm

re: #209 windsagio

Works just as well for blog commentators~

and off for one last shift before I get a few days of glorious recovery time :D

Y’all have a good evening ;)

Good to see you man
{windsagio}

220 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:46:11pm

re: #207 tnguitarist

I’m a Strat man, but I’ve started making my own guitars!

Awesome! I could never make a guitar…I love playing music..I was in a high school rock band.. Just an average player… But I’ve always loved writing songs.. I have a keyboard that I play MIDI and drum tracks through…

221 webevintage  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:46:26pm

re: #206 MandyManners

Drive-by.

Did Murtha retain his leadership of the House Appropriations Defense Subcommittee after he libelled those Marines in 2005?

WHY does each new moronic thing some pasty Republican says always have to be met with a “but they did it too”?
Can’t we just point out idiots who are being idiots?

222 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:46:46pm

re: #206 MandyManners

Drive-by.

Did Murtha retain his leadership of the House Appropriations Defense Subcommittee after he libelled those Marines in 2005?

Murtha was free to state his opinions as a civilian member of congress whereas McChrystal as a senior officer under the command of the CiC, President Obama, was not. We’re basically talking “apples and oranges” here.

223 tnguitarist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:46:53pm

re: #210 albusteve

some serious coolness there

Shameless self-promotion….

guitar build

224 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:46:58pm

re: #196 elektramourns

he will have to take on Nikki “Spread My Legs” Haley in South Carolina.
she is Palin’s little fave now…

Haley’s political views disgust me. So does this comment.

225 Failing Eye Sight  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:47:03pm

re: #199 HoosierHoops

What do you play?
I have a green strat that is the sweetest guitar in the world.. And I use a studio pro amp…

A green Strat? You should have left it on the tree a little longer. It might have become a real guitar, say a Les Paul.

Just kidding. Strats are great. My younger brother has one, and I let him use my bathroom and everything.

226 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:47:16pm

re: #223 tnguitarist

Shameless self-promotion…

guitar build

Sweet.

227 webevintage  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:47:40pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

Can we stick to attacking Haley for her political views?

She’s a GRIZZLY MAMA and don’t you forget that!
(and yeah the other remark was not nice at all)

228 elektramourns  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:47:42pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist
you do not think her hiding behind the 2 affairs she is alleged to have had is not political or her views?? this is not political hypocrisy? please!

229 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:48:21pm

re: #228 elektramourns

you do not think her hiding behind the 2 affairs she is alleged to have had is not political or her views?? this is not political hypocrisy? please!

The affirs she is alleged to have had have not a fucking thing to do with anything.

230 elektramourns  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:48:36pm

re: #224 Fozzie Bear
you disgust me too

231 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:48:52pm

re: #227 webevintage

She’s a GRIZZLY MAMA and don’t you forget that!
(and yeah the other remark was not nice at all)

So says Sarah Barracougar.

232 Failing Eye Sight  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:49:01pm

re: #203 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I can understand depression, but suicide just pisses me off as utterly contemptible and cowardly.

If you understand depression then you know sometimes rational thought is impossible.

Many rationalize that they are doing it for other people’s welfare.

233 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:50:09pm

re: #230 elektramourns

you disgust me too

The politics of personal character assassination are not something you should be supporting. I am not at all bothered by having put off someone who employs such tactics.

234 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:50:12pm

re: #232 b_sharp

And yet rarely do their loved one say “Boy, I’m so happy he’s dead, life is so much better now.”

235 webevintage  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:50:14pm

re: #228 elektramourns

you do not think her hiding behind the 2 affairs she is alleged to have had is not political or her views?? this is not political hypocrisy? please!

If she has had said affairs then she is one in a long line of “family first” hypocrites but the “spread my legs” comment was kind of beyond the pale.

For some reason people picking on her about the (maybe) affairs and calling her a [bigoted word] really gets under my skin…I would never vote for her.

236 elektramourns  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:50:14pm

re: #229 Fozzie Bear
what planet do u live on? she is a family values GOPer who is hiding something. When you say you are one thing but do another, i say that is newsworthy

237 Failing Eye Sight  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:50:15pm

re: #207 tnguitarist

I’m a Strat man, but I’ve started making my own guitars!

I tried that until my table saw bit my fingers. Now I work on safer machinery like a lathe and mill.

238 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:50:49pm

re: #225 b_sharp

A green Strat? You should have left it on the tree a little longer. It might have become a real guitar, say a Les Paul.

Just kidding. Strats are great. My younger brother has one, and I let him use my bathroom and everything.

I like the Tone of a Les Paul.. But they are just to dang heavy to play for a couple of hours..The greatest warm sounding guitar of all time… Gibson ES335. Gawd I love that guitar

239 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:51:17pm

Article Two of the United States Constitution
Clause 1: Command of military; Opinions of cabinet secretaries; Pardons

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

240 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:51:28pm

re: #223 tnguitarist

Shameless self-promotion…

guitar build

nice, as for myself I love the picks…
a couple of months ago I made a replica of a Telly for my new grandson..all wood, dials, pickups etc…maple stained a bright red with a redwood neck (easy) to carve and finish….the only metal were the tuning pegs and the front gadget they connect to….came out really nice…the pick guard was a bitch

241 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:52:00pm

re: #236 elektramourns

what planet do u live on? she is a family values GOPer who is hiding something. When you say you are one thing but others say you do another, i say that is newsworthy

FTFY.

Until there “evidence” or “proof”.

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:52:29pm

re: #218 Walter L. Newton

Wrong… you missed the question… and the answer.

The question and the answer are both pointless.

I realize that there’s this big head of hate on for Murtha, but the situations are not analogous, so the drive- by question is simply a way of getting in another dig at Murtha.

No point was made, except that Mandy dislikes Rep. Murtha. I knew that.

243 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:52:29pm
244 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:52:38pm

re: #232 b_sharp

If you understand depression then you know sometimes rational thought is impossible.

Many rationalize that they are doing it for other people’s welfare.

he may have been bipolar…in that case cowardice is not a factor

245 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:52:41pm

re: #236 elektramourns

what planet do u live on? she is a family values GOPer who is hiding something. When you say you are one thing but do another, i say that is newsworthy

Considering that those allegations are completely unproven, I’d say I live on the planet where random allegations aren’t taken seriously until substantiated by evidence. There isn’t any such substantiation.

Haley holds some repugnant views. I condemn her for that. Essentially calling her a slut, as you did, is rank misogyny and should not be tolerated.

246 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:52:41pm

re: #100 Nimed

I look at that and I ponder another angle- By and large density of population creates left leaning energy. The conservatives often (not always of course) are in the less dense areas, from suburban light to outback. So to speak.

As the population increases and we establish all those lofts and condos in old city buildings-Are we literally building a more liberal nation, via non-political demographic trends?

Are dense urban populations generally more diverse by nature? I might think so. But I’m from a melting pot city-Los Angeles born and raised.

247 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:53:18pm

re: #218 Walter L. Newton

Wrong… you missed the question… and the answer.

The answer is that Murtha was well within his Constitutional rights.

End of story.

248 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:54:17pm

Of course, it’s only a 30% chance…given the odds of an unstoppable leak a mile below water happening, I’d say we’ve got nothing to worry about…

Image: two_atl.gif

249 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:54:20pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

I like the Tone of a Les Paul.. But they are just to dang heavy to play for a couple of hours..The greatest warm sounding guitar of all time… Gibson ES335. Gawd I love that guitar

ALVIN LEE!

250 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:54:42pm

re: #247 Gus 802

The answer is that Murtha was well within his Constitutional rights.

End of story.

Agreed. But that won’t stop the harpies from harping about it.

251 Failing Eye Sight  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:55:14pm

re: #234 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And yet rarely do their loved one say “Boy, I’m so happy he’s dead, life is so much better now.”

You’re right of course, but that isn’t what goes through their heads, just the opposite in fact. Many visualize relief on the part of their family, rather than sorrow.

252 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:55:16pm

re: #228 elektramourns

you do not think her hiding behind the 2 affairs she is alleged to have had is not political or her views?? this is not political hypocrisy? please!

How is she hiding behind the affairs? I’m not following this race very closely.

253 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:56:32pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

How is she hiding behind the affairs? I’m not following this race very closely.

She’s not. Best not to even engage in debating Haley’s private life, in my opinion. It makes as much sense as talking about dead congressmen.

254 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:56:42pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

How is she hiding behind the affairs? I’m not following this race very closely.

By saying that if she’s elected, and subsequently anyone can prove that the allegations are true, she will resign. I don’t know how that’s defined as “hiding” though.

255 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:57:07pm

re: #222 Gus 802

Murtha was free to state his opinions as a civilian member of congress whereas McChrystal as a senior officer under the command of the CiC, President Obama, was not. We’re basically talking “apples and oranges” here.

In general, I agree. Members of the military swear an oath to serve the CiC, and there are explicit rules against mocking or belittling whoever holds that office. I was speaking with a former Army guy just this morning, and despite years as a civilian he was instantly able to quote the UCMJ articles involved by article and section. Anyone in the military, particular those in a high leadership position, are very much aware of these restrictions; they’re drilled into you beginning in boot camp.

Murtha was certainly a gigantic fucktard, and richly deserved the scorn and ridicule heaped upon him for his comments. But civilians don’t answer to the UCMJ, while those in the services most certainly do.

256 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:57:12pm

re: #250 darthstar

Agreed. But that won’t stop the harpies from harping about it.

It’s not even relevant for presenting a Tu quoque argument.

257 Failing Eye Sight  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:57:39pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

I like the Tone of a Les Paul.. But they are just to dang heavy to play for a couple of hours..The greatest warm sounding guitar of all time… Gibson ES335. Gawd I love that guitar

I should send you some pics of my axes. I have quite a range.

258 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:58:06pm

re: #256 Gus 802

It’s not even relevant for presenting a Tu quoque argument.

Yes, but we are talking about Walter & Mandy here.

259 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:58:22pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

How is she hiding behind the affairs? I’m not following this race very closely.

People are claiming to have had affairs with her. Two different people, I think.

These are unproven allegations, and frankly, have not a god damned thing to do with anything, imo, until or unless they are substantiated.

It reeks of a political hatchet job. I don’t get why her crazy positions on the issues aren’t enough to condemn her. People need to demonize, and since she is a she, they use sex to do it.

It’s disgusting, imo.

260 OldnGrumpy  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:58:51pm

All this posturing and sideshow antics need to stop.

If all these buttheads on both sides of the aisle gave a rats ass,they’d be putting more effort into getting something done about the leak and the damage being done or putting pressure on OB to send in the military if necessary for nothing else than raw manpower.

Hell the damned cap has broken off and all the oil is flowing out of the wellhead and straight into the water now.

261 Failing Eye Sight  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:59:03pm

re: #244 albusteve

he may have been bipolar…in that case cowardice is not a factor

I agree.

262 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:59:08pm

re: #258 darthstar

Yes, but we are talking about Walter & Mandy here.

That’s about one and a half quoque.

/I don’t even know what that means

263 rwmofo  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:59:41pm

So where is the Prez golfing today?

264 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:00:28pm

re: #258 darthstar

Yes, but we are talking about Walter & Mandy here.

I could present a fictional tu quoque. Has senior commander done this during the Bush years we would have heard calls of treason and for his head from the right.

“You’re either with us, or against us.” Apparently that only applies to whomever is sitting in the White House.

265 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:01:22pm

re: #264 Gus 802

Has Had a senior… PIMF

266 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:01:31pm

re: #260 OldnGrumpy

All this posturing and sideshow antics need to stop.

If all these buttheads on both sides of the aisle gave a rats ass,they’d be putting more effort into getting something done about the leak and the damage being done or putting pressure on OB to send in the military if necessary for nothing else than raw manpower.

Hell the damned cap has broken off and all the oil is flowing out of the wellhead and straight into the water now.

There’s nothing Congress can do about the leak. There’s nothing the president can do about the leak. There is something the oil companies can do about the leak, however, as they own all the machinery that can access the site. So it’s in their hands.

I’m just surprised that all of the other major oil companies didn’t come forward from day 1 and offer to lend BP whatever resources they needed, and worry about billing them later. That would have been a good PR move for every company, except BP. But fuck them.

267 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:01:33pm

re: #259 Fozzie Bear

People are claiming to have had affairs with her. Two different people, I think.

These are unproven allegations, and frankly, have not a god damned thing to do with anything, imo, until or unless they are substantiated.

It reeks of a political hatchet job. I don’t get why her crazy positions on the issues aren’t enough to condemn her. People need to demonize, and since she is a she, they use sex to do it.

It’s disgusting, imo.

Even then, who cares? For the most part, I really couldn’t care less what people do in their spare time; I prefer to evaluate their job performance, or potential performance, based on…what they do on the job.

Unless, of course, they decide to jerk off during a public meeting; the “Ewww!” factor there is way over the top.

268 elektramourns  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:01:49pm

re: #259 Fozzie Bear

where are you from Mr Bear?

269 Failing Eye Sight  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:02:03pm

Hoosier, I’m off to get the wife. If you are interested in seeing pics of my guitars, I’ll be back in a couple of hours.

270 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:02:04pm

re: #261 b_sharp

I agree.

my ex is bipolar…I went through hell for 20 years, maybe that’s why I still love her so much…we didn’t know so we just bumbled through it…we are lucky she’s alive and doing okay now, but what a trip

271 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:02:59pm

re: #268 elektramourns

where are you from Mr Bear?

The woods of Pennsyltucky.

272 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:03:09pm

re: #269 b_sharp

Hoosier, I’m off to get the wife. If you are interested in seeing pics of my guitars, I’ll be back in a couple of hours.

I’d love to see them…C-ya later

273 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:03:09pm

re: #264 Gus 802

I could present a fictional tu quoque. Has senior commander done this during the Bush years we would have heard calls of treason and for his head from the right.

“You’re either with us, or against us.” Apparently that only applies to whomever is sitting in the White House.

Bush got rid of several senior military officers for saying things like, “We’ll need more troops in Iraq.”

274 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:04:06pm

re: #271 Fozzie Bear

The woods of Pennsyltucky.

Hey! Do you know “Three Tooth” McGillicutty?

//

275 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:04:22pm

re: #249 albusteve

ALVIN LEE!

Blues Boy King!
errr. B.B. King

276 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:04:50pm

re: #246 Rightwingconspirator

I look at that and I ponder another angle- By and large density of population creates left leaning energy. The conservatives often (not always of course) are in the less dense areas, from suburban light to outback. So to speak.

As the population increases and we establish all those lofts and condos in old city buildings-Are we literally building a more liberal nation, via non-political demographic trends?

Are dense urban populations generally more diverse by nature? I might think so. But I’m from a melting pot city-Los Angeles born and raised.

That’s an interesting angle. That dense urban centers are relatively left of center is an old and well documented fact — and it’s pretty universal. The question is, what makes urban areas trend left? I have a couple of hypothesis, but they are kinda sucky and I have to start taking care of dinner right now. Feel free to speculate, though. I’ll be clicking the “new comments” button once in a while.

277 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:05:00pm

re: #266 darthstar

There’s nothing Congress can do about the leak. There’s nothing the president can do about the leak. There is something the oil companies can do about the leak, however, as they own all the machinery that can access the site. So it’s in their hands.

I’m just surprised that all of the other major oil companies didn’t come forward from day 1 and offer to lend BP whatever resources they needed, and worry about billing them later. That would have been a good PR move for every company, except BP. But fuck them.

how do you know they didn’t?

278 zora  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:05:56pm

re: #267 SixDegrees

can you imagine being in that meeting? the guy playing with his johnson for 20 minutes before they stopped the meeting.

279 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:06:30pm

re: #267 SixDegrees

Even then, who cares? For the most part, I really couldn’t care less what people do in their spare time; I prefer to evaluate their job performance, or potential performance, based on…what they do on the job.

Unless, of course, they decide to jerk off during a public meeting; the “Ewww!” factor there is way over the top.

Don’t forget the penis-pump judge…that guy was a hoot!

[Link: www.usatoday.com…]

280 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:06:31pm

re: #275 HoosierHoops

Blues Boy King!
errr. B.B. King

yes indeed, forgot about him…Lee has played the same 335 all these years, same one he played at Woodstock

281 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:07:00pm

re: #267 SixDegrees

You could make the argument that she is a hypocrite were it proven hat she had had multiple affairs, due to her “family values” (barf) positions.

Even then, I tend to agree with you, it’s not a valid criticism of a politician. (Not that it stops anyone)

As for flogging the log in DURING a meeting… that’s mentally ill. There’s something wrong with that guy.

282 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:07:18pm

Oh, great - Detroit’s former mayor is back in the news again, and as usual the news isn’t good: 19 Federal tax evasion and fraud charges.

283 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:07:26pm

re: #273 darthstar

Bush got rid of several senior military officers for saying things like, “We’ll need more troops in Iraq.”

Gen. John Abizaid

Then there was Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld. I’m sure I can find more top brass though.

284 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:07:27pm

re: #277 albusteve

how do you know they didn’t?

Some did, if I recall. But BP said the leak was small (1,000 barrels a day) and that they could handle it.

Are you going Barton on us?

285 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:07:55pm

re: #254 wrenchwench

By saying that if she’s elected, and subsequently anyone can prove that the allegations are true, she will resign. I don’t know how that’s defined as “hiding” though.

Well, that’s a dumb thing to say, but it’s no skin off my back.

286 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:08:05pm

re: #283 Gus 802

Gen. John Abizaid

Then there was Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld. I’m sure I can find more top brass though.

There were six or seven of them, according to one story I saw last night.

287 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:08:20pm

re: #259 Fozzie Bear

People are claiming to have had affairs with her. Two different people, I think.

These are unproven allegations, and frankly, have not a god damned thing to do with anything, imo, until or unless they are substantiated.

It reeks of a political hatchet job. I don’t get why her crazy positions on the issues aren’t enough to condemn her. People need to demonize, and since she is a she, they use sex to do it.

It’s disgusting, imo.

Agreed.

288 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:08:44pm

re: #279 darthstar

Don’t forget the penis-pump judge…that guy was a hoot!

[Link: www.usatoday.com…]

“It wasn’t something I was hiding,” he said.

Er, yes. That’s exactly what the problem was, your honor.

289 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:08:48pm

re: #263 rwmofo

So where is the Prez golfing today?

Dunno. It’s Wednesday, does he have a schedule?

290 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:08:52pm

Who is “Elektra Mourns” and what is she crying about?

A lost 2004 LGF registration, maybe?

I smell something like a sock.

291 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:08:55pm

re: #282 SixDegrees

Oh, great - Detroit’s former mayor is back in the news again, and as usual the news isn’t good: 19 Federal tax evasion and fraud charges.

well…he’s got the Kiss of Death on his ass now….the IRS
couldn’t happen to a nicer guy

292 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:09:09pm

re: #286 darthstar

There were six or seven of them, according to one story I saw last night.

[General] Pace: Bush fired me

In his first public comments on the Bush administration’s surprise decision to replace him as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Marine Gen. Peter Pace disclosed that he had turned down an offer to voluntarily retire rather than be forced out.

To quit in wartime, he said, would be letting down the troops….

Pace said, he assured [Defense Secretary] Gates that he was willing to go through even a contentious confirmation process.

293 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:09:28pm

re: #267 SixDegrees

Even then, who cares? For the most part, I really couldn’t care less what people do in their spare time; I prefer to evaluate their job performance, or potential performance, based on…what they do on the job.

Unless, of course, they decide to jerk off during a public meeting; the “Ewww!” factor there is way over the top.

Good LORD.

294 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:09:55pm

re: #288 SixDegrees

Er, yes. That’s exactly what the problem was, your honor.

I like the part where he releases the pressure, and jurors ask him what the ‘whooshing’ sound was and he says, “I don’t know…I’ll listen for it.”

295 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:10:08pm
296 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:10:35pm

re: #291 albusteve

well…he’s got the Kiss of Death on his ass now…the IRS
couldn’t happen to a nicer guy

The Feds convened a Grand Jury to look into other activities of his, and they’ve been questioning his family and associates. The smart money is on RICO charges being brought in the near future.

With any luck, it’ll spill onto his mom, too.

297 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:10:36pm

re: #284 darthstar

Some did, if I recall. But BP said the leak was small (1,000 barrels a day) and that they could handle it.

Are you going Barton on us?

not at all…just hunting for facts, which will probably take years to sort out….Barton should have immediately been pulled off the committee…bounced

298 rwmofo  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:10:38pm

re: #282 SixDegrees

Heh. Play “Name that Party” with that CNN article. The word “Democrat” is no where to be found, of course. Oh, there it is in the comments. Shhh.

299 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:11:37pm

re: #284 darthstar

Some did, if I recall. But BP said the leak was small (1,000 barrels a day) and that they could handle it.

Are you going Barton on us?

Star..I read somewhere that all the major oil companies have offered whatever resources BP requests…
I think the article said something about lots of Shell and Marathon engineers sent to the Gulf…
Got a link? No..Crap

300 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:11:45pm

re: #297 albusteve

not at all…just hunting for facts, which will probably take years to sort out…Barton should have immediately been pulled off the committee…bounced

Hm…I agree with you there.

301 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:11:53pm
302 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:13:13pm

re: #296 SixDegrees

The Feds convened a Grand Jury to look into other activities of his, and they’ve been questioning his family and associates. The smart money is on RICO charges being brought in the near future.

With any luck, it’ll spill onto his mom, too.

yes, RICO will take everybody down…including moms…I’m really impressed with the DA up there, he’s earning his wages

303 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:13:20pm

re: #298 rwmofo

Heh. Play “Name that Party” with that CNN article. The word “Democrat” is no where to be found, of course. Oh, there it is in the comments. Shhh.

If it involves Detroit politics, it involves a Democrat nearly every time.

Unfortunately, it also nearly always involves someone deepening the hole of outrageousness and stupidity by several shovelfuls.

304 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:13:32pm

re: #301 SixDegrees

You opened the door when you marched uncharged, untried people into the gas chamber. Take your faux righteousness back to the outhouse.

Having scrolled back, you were the first to go full Godwin. Downding for that.

305 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:13:38pm

re: #299 HoosierHoops

Star..I read somewhere that all the major oil companies have offered whatever resources BP requests…
I think the article said something about lots of Shell and Marathon engineers sent to the Gulf…
Got a link? No..Crap

No link necessary…I remember the stories when the disaster first started…then the other oil companies started backing off (still having resources at the ready, but not jumping into the fray)…probably because they saw the writing on the wall…this is going to be one big fucking mess for decades…being part of a failed effort could damage their company reps.

306 OldnGrumpy  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:13:58pm

re: #266 darthstar

There’s nothing Congress can do about the leak. There’s nothing the president can do about the leak. There is something the oil companies can do about the leak, however, as they own all the machinery that can access the site. So it’s in their hands.

I’m just surprised that all of the other major oil companies didn’t come forward from day 1 and offer to lend BP whatever resources they needed, and worry about billing them later. That would have been a good PR move for every company, except BP. But fuck them.

Alright then they should shut the f*** up and let the people who know what to do get it done and that includes the frigging beaurocrats holding up cleanup efforts because the cleanup/remediation specialists don’t have the “proper” permits.

307 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:14:18pm

Woops, quoted a deleted post. Self reported.

308 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:14:35pm

re: #304 Fozzie Bear

Having scrolled back, you were the first to go full Godwin. Downding for that.

Looks like Stinky is cleaning up that mess…best leave it to the experts.

309 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:14:39pm

re: #302 albusteve

yes, RICO will take everybody down…including moms…I’m really impressed with the DA up there, he’s earning his wages

He’s got a near-bottomless pit of corruption to work with. I’m glad to see it finally happening, but it’ll take years - and the diversion of the Detroit River through the middle of City Hall - to clean out those stables.

310 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:14:48pm

re: #290 Cato the Elder

Who is “Elektra Mourns” and what is she crying about?

A lost 2004 LGF registration, maybe?

I smell something like a sock.

I suggested that last time she came round. Still not sure.

311 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:15:49pm

re: #305 darthstar

I pray to God we are not looking at mankind’s greatest ecological disaster in real time Video…

312 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:16:07pm

re: #276 Nimed

Thinking about dinner myself, I missed lunch. :)

I read one paper that made sense to me at least in general terms. Density requires a more liberal view as you are rubbing elbows with diversity like it or not. If you grow up in it well then you have your early impressions as a “political” entity. If you hate (speaking about the second generation) it you move out.

Out in ranchland you are more on your own. Help is further away. Self sufficiency is rewarded by circumstance. Your neighbor is way more likely to have a lot in common with you. Farmers live on farmland. If you hate (2nd again) it you move to the city.

In an urban office building re built to be lofts and condos-Who knows? Lawyers, artists, various elasticities.

Might be a great paper to get into this deeply, if it has not been done already. Probably has.

313 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:17:02pm

re: #311 HoosierHoops

I pray to God we are not looking at mankind’s greatest ecological disaster in real time Video…

I think we are…I’ve never been so bummed out with anything like this…it’s the Big One

314 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:17:11pm

re: #311 HoosierHoops

I pray to God we are not looking at mankind’s greatest ecological disaster in real time Video…

I pray that, if this isn’t mankind’s greatest ecological disaster, that we never see anything worse than this.

315 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:17:27pm
316 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:18:09pm

I sense some time-outs in the near future.

317 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:18:14pm

Knock off the nasty squabbling. Nobody wants to see this.

318 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:19:20pm

re: #317 Charles

Charles…did you see my post about Barton’s office tweeting the “Barton was right” [to apologize to BP] article?

319 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:20:00pm

By the way, I haven’t been posting much the last couple of months, and will probably be around even less in the future. We got real busy at work all of a sudden, which is a welcome change, but in general our facility is on the skids for a number of reasons, and the future is pretty bleak. About a month ago, I put the word out that I was interested in leaving, got directed to an opening a week later, interviewed the next week and accepted an offer last week, so my last day at my current position is tomorrow and I start elsewhere after the 4th. So my compile-time chats will be curtailed significantly while I get up to speed on the science they’re doing at my new place.

320 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:20:27pm

re: #318 darthstar

Charles…did you see my post about Barton’s office tweeting the “Barton was right” [to apologize to BP] article?

Actually, I noted that in the earlier post about Barton keeping his House ECC position.

321 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:20:33pm

re: #319 SixDegrees

Congrats on the new gig.

322 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:20:48pm

re: #311 HoosierHoops

I pray to God we are not looking at mankind’s greatest ecological disaster in real time Video…

But of course we are.

323 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:20:51pm

re: #320 Charles

Actually, I noted that in the earlier post about Barton keeping his House ECC position.

Okay…missed it. Cheers.

324 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:21:13pm

re: #314 darthstar

I pray that, if this isn’t mankind’s greatest ecological disaster, that we never see anything worse than this.

I have said for years that Saddam was the world’s worst ecological terrorists when he blew the the Oil Fields in Iraq…
I think in 2 weeks most of the wells were capped…
This truly sucks

325 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:21:28pm

re: #322 LudwigVanQuixote

But of course we are.

We better fucking hope we are.

Bad as this is, there are worse disasters we could cause.

326 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:22:12pm

re: #321 darthstar

Congrats on the new gig.

Thanks. It happened very quickly, but my departure has been brewing for quite a while. I was actually toying with the idea of taking a job as a census enumerator just to get the hell out of there. I think it was then I decided maybe I ought to start seriously looking.

327 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:22:22pm

re: #325 Fozzie Bear

We better fucking hope we are.

Bad as this is, there are worse disasters we could cause.

Ohhh I should have added so far.

You can read the government report on future US impacts of AGW for the really great eco catastrophe we are causing and observing in real time.

328 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:23:22pm

re: #320 Charles

Actually, I noted that in the earlier post about Barton keeping his House ECC position.

I also want to bring simoon’s 173 to your attention. He has a really good link there.

329 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:23:22pm

re: #322 LudwigVanQuixote

Worse than the dust bowl?

330 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:23:57pm

re: #326 SixDegrees

It’s always best to interview when you’re still working. You don’t “have” to take the job, and that often makes you a more attractive candidate to the new company. My salary went up 15% by doing that last year.

331 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:24:18pm

re: #329 Rightwingconspirator

Worse than the dust bowl?

Which? The oil spill or the coming forecasts? In terms of long term impact, I think both will make the dustbowl look trivial.

332 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:24:30pm

re: #329 Rightwingconspirator

Worse than the dust bowl?

yea, the Bank of America Cheetos Bowl

333 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:24:57pm

re: #327 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh I should have added so far.

You can read the government report on future US impacts of AGW for the really great eco catastrophe we are causing and observing in real time.

The only thing that could be worse would be a nuclear conflict with any country.

334 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:27:37pm

re: #311 HoosierHoops

I pray to God we are not looking at mankind’s greatest ecological disaster in real time Video…

Unlikely. It’s big and visible and in the headlines every minute of every day, to be sure, but nowhere near the largest environmental problem we’ve faced. Indiscriminate, worldwide use of pesticides during the 1950s and 1960s probably had a much greater impact on a much greater number of species over a much wider area, and the rampant deforestation taking place in Central and South America at the moment will likely never be recovered from, given the nature of tropical soils and the bootstrap ecology of tropical forests. I wouldn’t exactly call the BP spill minor league, but putting at the top of the list of catastrophes seems to go too far.

335 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:28:04pm

re: #333 darthstar

The only thing that could be worse would be a nuclear conflict with any country.

Oh, please.

336 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:28:41pm

re: #333 darthstar

The only thing that could be worse would be a nuclear conflict with any country.

Or a nuclear reactor melting down.
Or a large scale chemical spill such as took place at Bhopal.
Or unmitigated AGW.

Take your pick, there are worse things that can happen.

337 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:30:50pm

re: #330 darthstar

It’s always best to interview when you’re still working. You don’t “have” to take the job, and that often makes you a more attractive candidate to the new company. My salary went up 15% by doing that last year.

I completely agree. One reason I took action was my belief that our current location is going to fall off a cliff by the end of the year, and either close the doors or be sold off. I really didn’t relish the idea of competing against a couple hundred coworkers in a lousy job market. And some companies actually have policies against hiring the unemployed, if you can believe that. During normal times, the thinking is that they must be demonstrating incompetence to have lost a job. The same thinking, of course, hardly applies at present, but HR isn’t normally known for quick reaction time.

And I got a screaming good raise, along with a completely unexpected signing bonus. So life is good.

338 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:32:29pm

re: #333 darthstar

The only thing that could be worse would be a nuclear conflict with any country.

You could combine atom bombs with oil well leaks:

339 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:34:59pm

re: #331 LudwigVanQuixote

Well perhaps the things are too different by nature, no pun intended. The land animal/plant life consequences of the dustbowl had to have been huge, but overlooked at the time in the face of the large human migration. I think the dust had short term effects of its own.

Plus you have real data, I just have the MSM and some ongoing reading of a big PDF, from your page.

340 elektramourns  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:39:55pm

re: #319 SixDegrees

glad you found work !

341 elektramourns  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:42:11pm

re: #310 SanFranciscoZionist

if you have something to say say it to me. I don’t know you, you don’t know me, this is the most unfriendly, critical site I have ever gone to. Seems to me you have to be in the “in crowd to say anything here.


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