Deranged Talking Points Hatching on Twitter

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The #tcot (Top Conservatives On Twitter) feed on Twitter can be fascinating; it’s a glimpse into the raw unedited id of the modern right wing, and you can often see wingnut talking points and conspiracy theories emerging from this roiling subconscious primordial stew before they spread to the wingnut blogosphere and then to Fox News.

Following the ouster of General Stanley McChrystal, the #tcot crowd is all taking the side of McChrystal, of course, against President Obama. Here are some of the talking points and conspiracies you can expect the right wing to adopt and promote in the near future:

• McChrystal was fired because Obama’s ego was injured, or because McChrystal “told the truth.” McChrystal’s blatant insubordination, which would normally be a huge factor in the #tcot authoritarian world view, is simply ignored.

• Obama once criticized Gen. Petraeus. (Don’t worry, they’ll find some way to make that relevant.)

• Obama put Gen. Petraeus in charge to keep him out of the 2012 presidential election.

And then we have the crazier element, who are posting comments like this:

So does this mean McChrystal is free to lead a military coup and kick out the Obama admin now?

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170 comments
1 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:34:20am

I almost instinctively down-dinged the whole post, wanting to downding that last tweet.

So does this mean McChrystal is free to lead a military coup and kick out the Obama admin now?

What imbeciles!

2 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:35:19am

Boss, small typo:

• Obama put McChrystal in charge to keep him out of the 2012 presidential election.

3 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:36:41am

The General was dismissed because he violated article 88 of the UCMJ.

Period.

End of Line.

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:36:54am

Obama hates the military because they see through his anti-American-ness. Bush loved the military. He even nearly served in it once.

5 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:39:08am

What really scares me is the massive amount of stupid in America at the moment, from both parties. We keep electing, on both sides, the worst people this country has to offer. Liars and crooks every single one of them, from town selectmen to POTUS.
Not one of them can be trusted, because they are all the same when it comes down to it. Politicians.

6 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:40:13am

re: #5 CapeCoddah

What really scares me is the massive amount of stupid in America at the moment, from both parties. We keep electing, on both sides, the worst people this country has to offer. Liars and crooks every single one of them, from town selectmen to POTUS.
Not one of them can be trusted, because they are all the same when it comes down to it. Politicians.


Other countries are run by the military, industrial oligarchs or by religious leaders. Wanna trade?

7 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:40:27am

I often retweet these sorts of posts with a #tcot tag, so they get into the #tcot stream. In fact, I retweeted this one with the #tcot tag.

Should I not do that?

8 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:41:00am

re: #5 CapeCoddah

What really scares me is the massive amount of stupid in America at the moment, from both parties. We keep electing, on both sides, the worst people this country has to offer. Liars and crooks every single one of them, from town selectmen to POTUS.
Not one of them can be trusted, because they are all the same when it comes down to it. Politicians.

Massive amounts of stupid have always been around.

They just have never had so much access to other people's stupid too. Thanks internet.

9 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:41:12am

re: #7 reine.de.tout

I often retweet these sorts of posts with a #tcot tag, so they get into the #tcot stream. In fact, I retweeted this one with the #tcot tag.

Should I not do that?

Not a problem.

10 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:41:29am

re: #7 reine.de.tout

I often retweet these sorts of posts with a #tcot tag, so they get into the #tcot stream. In fact, I retweeted this one with the #tcot tag.

Should I not do that?

You might blow up the Twitter by inserting reason and logic.

11 EdDantes  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:43:00am

As distasteful as it may be, a general officer must accept civilian control of the military. If you don't like it blame our founding fathers. I'm a conservative and I think this twitter crap is nonsense (whatever twitter is. Must be some kind of telegraph thingy)

12 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:44:03am

I take it that members of #tcot are self-selected?

13 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:44:11am

re: #10 wrenchwench

You might blow up the Twitter by inserting reason and logic.

heh.
I suddenly had a bunch of folks start "following" me LOL.
I'm sure if I checked there would be some tweets to me telling me what a mindless critter I am.

14 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:44:20am

More #tcot comments:

McChrystal gone.. Obama Ego Wins, Troops Lose. McChrystal defended Obama on video last week. Obama fails to be a man again.

[...]

No surprise the "Whiner in Chief" fired GenMcChrystal. What a PATHETIC LITTLE GIRL

[...]

Opposition to the Obama Regime is the very definition of American patriotism.

[...]

I'd rather have a Sikh President over a muslim President.

It goes on and on and on.

15 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:45:16am

re: #6 ralphieboy

Other countries are run by the military, industrial oligarchs or by religious leaders. Wanna trade?

Nope. I just wish the American people would stop falling for the same baloney campaign promises, time, after time, after time.
Every time I hear so and so cannot lose, they have the most money, I have to wonder if anyone actually looks at records or LISTENS to what these people are saying.
No way I want to trade, I just want the congress to be comprised of the people it is supposed to be comprised of. We need term limits. It is the congressional dynasties (Ted Kennedy, for example) that have gotten us here, and they were never meant to be. For exactly these reasons.

16 researchok  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:45:39am

re: #14 Charles

More #tcot comments:

It goes on and on and on.

Stupid needs very little fertilizer.

17 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:46:13am

re: #12 Cato the Elder

I take it that members of #tcot are self-selected?

People sending tweets use that tag to reach like-minded others.
People reading tweets can use that tag to have a tweet stream made up of just tweets using that tag, to see what others are saying.

Which is why I append the #tcot tags to my retweets, to get them into that stream.

18 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:46:16am

re: #14 Charles

More #tcot comments:


It goes on and on and on.

/facepalm

How exactly do the troops lose again? From my understanding, most of the line troops really didn't care for the General's revised ROE.

19 tnguitarist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:46:27am

re: #11 EdDantes

As distasteful as it may be,

Wha??

20 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:47:30am

Rep. Barton's office is now trying to spin out of his claim that "he won". A staffer supposedly made the posting and link without Barton's knowledge.

The tweet would seem to suggest that Barton's office is promoting an article supporting his controversial remark.

Barton's account deleted the tweet shortly afterward.

Barton's communications director, Sean Brown, acknowledged posting the tweet on Wednesday. He said Barton was unaware of the tweet.

"Without thinking about it much, I added a headline from one of the daily news clips to a website that is, in turn, linked to the congressman’s Twitter account," he said. "I won’t be doing that again."

Sure he wont... until he does because it suits him and his boss fine.

21 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:47:30am

#tcot = traitors commiserating on twitter ?

22 EdDantes  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:48:41am

re: #19 tnguitarist

Wha??

As distasteful as it may be to the general. Me, I likes it just fine. Sorry for the wording.

23 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:49:09am

re: #21 Fozzie Bear

#tcot = traitors commiserating on twitter ?

twits commenting on twaddle.

24 RadicalModerate  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:49:23am

I'm declaring Poe's Law as an invalid rule now.

No matter how outlandish of claims that the trolls come up with, they can't hold a candle to the sheer lunacy that is coming from the modern right-wing movement.

25 martinsmithy  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:49:52am

Not being a twitterite, I can only imagine that a few of the wingnuts are now promoting McChrystal for the Presidency. Or maybe vice-presidency, subordinate to their beloved Sarah.

26 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:50:13am

Another talking point spreading like wildfire: Obama once said mean things about Gen. Petraeus.

27 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:50:17am

re: #21 Fozzie Bear

It really does seem traitorous. Even if his opinions are genuine, he must have known that publishing them in a general interest magazine would not help his troops and would provide useful information to our enemies.

28 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:51:29am

re: #27 reuven

It really does seem traitorous. Even if his opinions are genuine, he must have known that publishing them in a general interest magazine would not help his troops and would provide useful information to our enemies.

Well, I wasn't referring to McCrystal as being traitorous. He's just insubordinate. The people hoping for a military coup on the other hand, that's the very definition.

29 Jack Burton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:51:34am

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

/facepalm

How exactly do the troops lose again? From my understanding, most of the line troops really didn't care for the General's revised ROE.

That's what is confusing me about this whole issue. If McChrystal was simple executing RoE mandated from above, I could see the right "siding" with him after his borderline insubordination, but from what I understand, the RoE in place in Afghanistan right now is almost entirely of McChrystal's invention. It has to be acute chronic ODS at work here.

30 Fart Knocker  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:51:38am

re: #4 ralphieboy

Obama hates the military because they see through his anti-American-ness. Bush loved the military. He even nearly served in it once.

Thank You Dan Rather.
//

31 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:51:44am

re: #26 Charles

Another talking point spreading like wildfire: Obama once said mean things about Gen. Petraeus.

People should never say mean things about anyone.

Well, unless they're born in Kenya and stole an election, I guess.
///

32 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:52:07am

...And here I thought Rolling Stone was a band of old stoner dudes............*pimf*

33 tnguitarist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:53:35am

re: #22 EdDantes

As distasteful as it may be to the general. Me, I likes it just fine. Sorry for the wording.

Gotcha. I was confused for a second.

34 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:54:41am

re: #29 ArchangelMichael

That's what is confusing me about this whole issue. If McChrystal was simple executing RoE mandated from above, I could see the right "siding" with him after his borderline insubordination, but from what I understand, the RoE in place in Afghanistan right now is almost entirely of McChrystal's invention. It has to be acute chronic ODS at work here.

The current doctrine in the field is all McChrystal's, set in place to promote the guidelines given to him by Obama. He's the one who has set up the ROE which have led to an increase in US and NATO casualties over the last few months.

35 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:55:13am

re: #17 reine.de.tout

People sending tweets use that tag to reach like-minded others.
People reading tweets can use that tag to have a tweet stream made up of just tweets using that tag, to see what others are saying.

Which is why I append the #tcot tags to my retweets, to get them into that stream.

Tweet dreams?

36 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:55:36am

Still trying figure out why anyone in the Military would speak
candidly with the R.S. journalist?
" They acted stupidly"...Where have I heard that be.....Oh Yeah!

37 researchok  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:57:11am

re: #15 CapeCoddah

Nope. I just wish the American people would stop falling for the same baloney campaign promises, time, after time, after time.
Every time I hear so and so cannot lose, they have the most money, I have to wonder if anyone actually looks at records or LISTENS to what these people are saying.
No way I want to trade, I just want the congress to be comprised of the people it is supposed to be comprised of. We need term limits. It is the congressional dynasties (Ted Kennedy, for example) that have gotten us here, and they were never meant to be. For exactly these reasons.

We do not need more government. We need a government which enforces laws already in place.

Banking laws need to be enforced.
Securities laws need to be enforced
Mine safety laws need to be enforced.
Offshore oil drilling regs need to be enforced.
Immigration laws that are on the books need to be enforced.
Trade laws need to be enforced.
Employment laws need to be enforced.
Environmental laws need to be enforced.
Budgets need to be realistic.

Just today, we hear that car companies want to be exempted from regulatory oversight.

The list goes on and on.

The problem of weak enforcement of laws has been around for a very long time.

38 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:57:33am

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The ROE should be quotas/ratio on rounds fired and B.D.B.T..
Bad Dudes Bagged &Tagged!

39 Jack Burton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:57:35am

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The current doctrine in the field is all McChrystal's, set in place to promote the guidelines given to him by Obama. He's the one who has set up the ROE which have led to an increase in US and NATO casualties over the last few months.

So his public criticisms of Obama were not only insubordination, they were also wrong-headed and no one should be defending this guy unless they have a scorching case of ODS. That's what I thought.

40 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:58:10am

re: #36 reloadingisnotahobby

Still trying figure out why anyone in the Military would speak
candidly with the R.S. journalist?
"

Generation Kill was originally published in RS, and it had a pretty positive portrayal of the Marine Corps.

41 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:59:00am

re: #36 reloadingisnotahobby

Still trying figure out why anyone in the Military would speak
candidly with the R.S. journalist?
" They acted stupidly"...Where have I heard that be...Oh Yeah!

If I were on active duty, I would not approach an RS staffer unless I had first armed myself with plenty of garlic and a sharp stake.

42 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:59:17am

re: #37 researchok

We do not need more government. We need a government which enforces laws already in place.

Banking laws need to be enforced.
Securities laws need to be enforced
Mine safety laws need to be enforced.
Offshore oil drilling regs need to be enforced.
Immigration laws that are on the books need to be enforced.
Trade laws need to be enforced.
Employment laws need to be enforced.
Environmental laws need to be enforced.
Budgets need to be realistic.

Just today, we hear that car companies want to be exempted from regulatory oversight.

The list goes on and on.

The problem of weak enforcement of laws has been around for a very long time.

And that comes about because everyone has very influential, dynastic friends in congress.

43 researchok  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:59:35am

re: #28 Fozzie Bear

Well, I wasn't referring to McCrystal as being traitorous. He's just insubordinate. The people hoping for a military coup on the other hand, that's the very definition.

There is a long history of military men criticizing civilian authority.

Patton messed with Truman. As now, the general paid the price.

44 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:59:54am

re: #38 reloadingisnotahobby

The ROE should be quotas/ratio on rounds fired and B.D.B.T..
Bad Dudes Bagged &Tagged!

Thats just as stupid.

Troop safety should be the number one concern. A private should have to worry about being faced with a court martial if he feels he needs to fire his weapon to protect himself or his squadmates.

45 Jack Burton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:59:55am

TCOT

Youtube Video
46 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:59:56am

re: #41 Shiplord Kirel

If I were on active duty, I would not approach an RS staffer unless I had first armed myself with plenty of garlic and a sharp stake.


Unless "She" were
SMOKIN HOT!!

47 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:59:58am

re: #5 CapeCoddah

What really scares me is the massive amount of stupid in America at the moment, from both parties. We keep electing, on both sides, the worst people this country has to offer. Liars and crooks every single one of them, from town selectmen to POTUS.
Not one of them can be trusted, because they are all the same when it comes down to it. Politicians.

Actually, we don't. Mixed in with the knaves and fools there are quite a few good men, some even from both parties, and there are others who are ordinary workhorses who get up and try to deal with the business of the country and put out the fires.

Those of you from, say, Illinois won't believe this, but there are comparatively honest state governments all over the place. Consider, say, Minnesota. Back and forth, Democrat and Republican, they go. Maybe Franken didn't win the senatorial race without some thumbs in the scale, but on the whole, MN isn't a cesspit of corruption. Not even close.

48 simoom  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:00:51pm

Darrel Issa's on message with today's goofy talking point:

FLASHBACK: as Obama taps Petraeus to lead us to victory, what do Dems who sided w/ MoveOn's 2007 attack think? [Link: twitpic.com...]

I can't recall, but did any congressional Democrat say they agreed with the "Betray us" moniker from the MoveOn ad? The votes against the resolution condemning MoveOn (which passed with strong bipartisan support) where explained as being in protest of political stunt resolutions. Imagine if every time a Right Wing PAC put out a nutty press release or published an incendiary ad Congress felt the need to pass resolutions condemning them - they'd have little time to do much else.

49 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:01:04pm

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sorry...My bad.........

50 ShaunP  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:01:10pm

re: #37 researchok

...Just today, we hear that car companies dealers want to be exempted from regulatory oversight.

Small correction...

51 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:02:55pm

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats just as stupid.

Troop safety should be the number one concern. A private should SHOULD NOT have to worry about being faced with a court martial if he feels he needs to fire his weapon to protect himself or his squadmates.

correction.

52 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:05:06pm

re: #51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I thought you were being snarky,flipant,sacasticly cute....
..........So ...apparently not! ..Ha!

53 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:05:33pm

re: #48 simoom

Darrel Issa's on message with today's goofy talking point:

I can't recall, but did any congressional Democrat say they agreed with the "Betray us" moniker from the MoveOn ad? The votes against the resolution condemning MoveOn (which passed with strong bipartisan support) where explained as being in protest of political stunt resolutions. Imagine if every time a Right Wing PAC put out a nutty press release or published an incendiary ad Congress felt the need to pass resolutions condemning them - they'd have little time to do much else.

Actually the "Betray-Us" ad seriously backfired on MoveOn.org. It went way too far, and they lost a lot of their support among liberals because of it.

54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:07:29pm
• Obama put General Petraeus in charge to keep him out of the 2012 presidential election.


That's dumb as hell. What better entrance into an election than getting Afghanistan under control? Petraeus can do it, if anyone can.

I am confident in our General.

55 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:07:41pm

I think one of McChrystal's worst offenses was drinking cases of Bud Light Lime while in Europe.

56 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:08:52pm

re: #53 Charles

Actually the "Betray-Us" ad seriously backfired on MoveOn.org. It went way too far, and they lost a lot of their support among liberals because of it.

If I'm ever elected to Congress, I will introduce a resolution praising the devotees of Cthulhu for their contributions to American culture, business, and nutrition---just to see if it passes.

57 KingKenrod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:09:16pm

re: #48 simoom

Darrel Issa's on message with today's goofy talking point:

I can't recall, but did any congressional Democrat say they agreed with the "Betray us" moniker from the MoveOn ad? The votes against the resolution condemning MoveOn (which passed with strong bipartisan support) where explained as being in protest of political stunt resolutions. Imagine if every time a Right Wing PAC put out a nutty press release or published an incendiary ad Congress felt the need to pass resolutions condemning them - they'd have little time to do much else.

Joe Biden said this:

"They went, in that one instance, I think, overboard. But the point they were trying to make was still valid."

I'm not sure what he thinks MoveOn's point was.

Sen. Boxer actually tried to get the ad condemned.

More here:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

58 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:09:20pm

re: #52 reloadingisnotahobby

I thought you were being snarky,flipant,sacasticly cute...
...So ...apparently not! ..Ha!

Yeah, I really should preview my comments more.

I remember an old comic where an old guy was talking about his youth. Saying how much he liked shooting heroin. All day every day, shooting heroin. Then he says, "Wait, did I say heroin? I meant gophers!"

I have entire days which feel like that sometimes.

59 Baier  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:09:24pm

re: #55 prairiefire

I think one of McChrystal's worst offenses was drinking cases of Bud Light Lime while in Europe.

Anywhere it is a crime

60 webevintage  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:09:48pm

President McCain and his BFF Joe Lieberman are on TV speechifying....

61 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:10:30pm

OT: one of the ROVs bumped the Top Hat in the gulf and there was concern that natural gas was working its way up the hot-water line, so it's all be pulled back for up to a day (i.e. 100,000 barrels, or 4.2 million gallons of free-flow oil and dispersant).

Videos here: [Link: bp.isevil.org...]

62 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:10:38pm

re: #59 Baier

Yet...They still make it.......Nasty..

63 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:11:04pm

re: #56 Shiplord Kirel

If I'm ever elected to Congress, I will introduce a resolution praising the devotees of Cthulhu for their contributions to American culture, business, and nutrition---just to see if it passes.

Tack on an amendment promising to fund my field study on the effects of alcohol and recreational drugs on female adult entertainers and you'll have my vote.

64 Fart Knocker  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:11:22pm

re: #39 ArchangelMichael

So his public criticisms of Obama were not only insubordination, they were also wrong-headed and no one should be defending this guy unless they have a scorching case of ODS. That's what I thought.

Awesome use of "scorching case of" ala Ferris Bueller's Day off!

65 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:11:28pm

re: #55 prairiefire

I think one of McChrystal's worst offenses was drinking cases of Bud Light Lime while in Europe at all.

But that's just me. :)

66 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:12:57pm

re: #61 darthstar

I wonder if that was the public voyeur cam robot or a working tool. I hate to think our need to watch contributed...

67 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:13:18pm

re: #61 darthstar

OT: one of the ROVs bumped the Top Hat in the gulf and there was concern that natural gas was working its way up the hot-water line, so it's all be pulled back for up to a day (i.e. 100,000 barrels, or 4.2 million gallons of free-flow oil and dispersant).

Videos here: [Link: bp.isevil.org...]

*ahem*

68 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:13:25pm

Heh...there are some funny tweets out there:

ggreeneva: RT @Wolfrum: Breaking: Mark Kirk announces he will resign as General and leader of U.S. military effort in Afghanistan. #p2
69 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:13:26pm

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tack on an amendment promising to fund my field study on the effects of alcohol and recreational drugs on female adult entertainers and you'll have my vote.

Are you going to start with Liza?

70 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:13:33pm

re: #55 prairiefire

I think one of McChrystal's worst offenses was drinking cases of Bud Light Lime while in Europe.

heh. I added Bud Light Lime as a tag to something earlier today.

My guess is that the other wingnut meme that will be everywhere (because it was always simmering away in the background) will be "The military hates Obama".

71 researchok  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:15:01pm

re: #50 ShaunP

Small correction...

TY for correcting my error.

That said, you can be sure the car manufacturers were right there with the dealers.

72 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:15:15pm

re: #70 iceweasel

......Have that basackwards.....
/

73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:15:38pm

re: #61 darthstar

Can they take a bunch of hot air balloons down there and settle them over the top... fill 'em up and bring them to the surface? One after the other?

That'd be cool.

74 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:15:55pm

re: #69 prairiefire

Are you going to start with Liza?

Liza Harper perhaps.

75 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:16:03pm

re: #72 reloadingisnotahobby

...Have that basackwards...
/

Yeah, they'll naturally also run with "Obama hates/doesn't get the military".

76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:16:27pm

re: #55 prairiefire

As a Coors Light man, I'm keeping my wussy beer drinkin' mouth shut.

77 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:17:57pm

My break is over.
BuBye!

78 simoom  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:18:29pm

re: #53 Charles

Actually the "Betray-Us" ad seriously backfired on MoveOn.org. It went way too far, and they lost a lot of their support among liberals because of it.

I agree, and the GOP was politically savvy to make it into a national political issue where Congressional Democrats were forced to comment on a PAC's advertising. It would be great to see Dems successfully do the same -- forcing the GOP to own or repudiate Right Wing PAC ads and positions -- but they just aren't as proficient at the manufactured outrage game.

79 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:19:06pm

re: #76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

As a Coors Light man, I'm keeping my wussy beer drinkin' mouth shut.

At the party I played this weekend, they only had Michelob Ultra Light (until someone brought some Sam Adams.)

80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:19:10pm

re: #78 simoom

I find both sides skilled and able.

81 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:19:25pm

re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I find both sides skilled and able.

Absolutely.

82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:19:31pm

re: #79 Mad Al-Jaffee

Makin' love in a canoe.

83 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:19:34pm

re: #76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

As a Coors Light man, I'm keeping my wussy beer drinkin' mouth shut.

I'll sit and enjoy my MGD

84 Fart Knocker  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:20:50pm

re: #83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'll sit and enjoy my MGD

I'll just sit and enjoy my home brew...oh wait, I don't have any cause I just moved : (

85 cliffster  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:21:23pm

re: #83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'll sit and enjoy my MGD

ew

86 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:22:40pm

re: #84 rwdflynavy

Lately I've been trying different micro brews that are sold in cans. There are some really good ones, and you can pour them into a pint glass if you don't want to drink from the can.

87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:22:47pm

re: #73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dang. A hot air balloon holds from 65,000 to 90,000 cubic feet of air... how much oil would that be.

There's gotta be a smart reason why mine is a dumb idea... but dang... it seem simple.

88 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:23:10pm

re: #84 rwdflynavy

I'll just sit and enjoy my home brew...oh wait, I don't have any cause I just moved : (

BWAHAHA!

I remember my good old hard drinking days. I'd buy a case of MGD, my buddy would spend the same amount on a 6 pack of some god awful special lager and as soon as beer 7 rolled around, he'd be bumming me for an MGD.

89 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:24:14pm

re: #83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'll sit and enjoy my MGD

I don't drink Miller much, but I do like my Miller High Life t-shirt.

90 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:24:25pm

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dang. A hot air balloon holds from 65,000 to 90,000 cubic feet of air... how much oil would that be.

There's gotta be a smart reason why mine is a dumb idea... but dang... it seem simple.

The gaseous part would expand as it rises. That's one problem.

91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:24:31pm

re: #88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

After six beers, horse piss will do.

92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:24:53pm

re: #90 Fozzie Bear

See?

93 ShaunP  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:25:21pm

re: #86 Mad Al-Jaffee

Lately I've been trying different micro brews that are sold in cans. There are some really good ones, and you can pour them into a pint glass if you don't want to drink from the can.

Dale's Pale Ale. Period.

94 cliffster  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:26:08pm

re: #89 Mad Al-Jaffee

I don't drink Miller much, but I do like my Miller High Life t-shirt.

Miller? I don't even know her!!

95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:26:11pm

re: #90 Fozzie Bear

A cubic foot is 7.5 gallons or so.

96 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:26:17pm

re: #93 ShaunP

Dale's Pale Ale. Period.

Great stuff! Also Mama's Little Yella Pils.

97 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:28:45pm

re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

After six beers, horse piss will do.

True, now my single biggest drinking night was a 12 pack of MGD, a bottle of red wine, half a fifth of Vodka, several rum and cokes, something called a Green Zombie and waking up in the Navy female barracks the next afternoon.

98 Baier  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:29:40pm

re: #93 ShaunP

Dale's Pale Ale. Period.

I've heard good things but haven't tried it. I like a good IPA myself.

99 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:29:50pm

re: #6 ralphieboy

Other countries are run by the military, industrial oligarchs or by religious leaders. Wanna trade?

You first. ;)

100 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:30:14pm

Gen. Petraeus certainly has the credibility and track record to handle the transition without upsetting the troops. In this regard Pres. Obama seems to have made an excellent choice.

101 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:30:30pm
McChrystal “told the truth.” McChrystal’s blatant insubordination,

Well... did he... could he have told the truth?

102 Baier  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:30:33pm

re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

True, now my single biggest drinking night was a 12 pack of MGD, a bottle of red wine, half a fifth of Vodka, several rum and cokes, something called a Green Zombie and waking up in the Navy female barracks the next afternoon.

At least you didn't wake up covered in sea men!

103 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:30:57pm

re: #100 Spare O'Lake

Gen. Petraeus certainly has the credibility and track record to handle the transition without upsetting the troops. In this regard Pres. Obama seems to have made an excellent choice.

Don't worry, the wingers will still find a way to beat him up over it.

104 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:31:26pm

Sure enough, Hot Air's going with the "Obama once criticized Petraeus" line.

105 EdDantes  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:31:30pm

Since I worked graveyard this morning and I have had a libation or two I should withdraw from these discussions. Good day all!

106 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:32:28pm

re: #102 Baier

At least you didn't wake up covered in sea men!

I wasn't THAT drunk!

I still have no recollection on how exactly I made it from the Marine Barracks to the E-club though.

107 cliffster  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:32:31pm

I have a few friends that are pretty hard-core on the right wing nonsense. They are all in agreement that General Mackdaddy Cristal is an idiot. Or, was behaving stupidly.

108 Lidane  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:34:13pm

God, these #tcot people are insufferable. They're just like this asshole, lashing out blindly when something doesn't go their way. =P

109 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:34:29pm

Raining Oil In Louisiana? (VIDEO)

Jalapnik.com mentions, however that "under normal environmental temperatures, oil does not evaporate, however with the Deepwater Horizon disaster, the effects of seawater emulsification and the introduction of BP's dispersant of choice, Corexit 9500, may be allowing some degree of evaporation into the water cycle."
Youtube Video
110 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:36:18pm

I think Glenn is going to be weepy for the next few days;

There are remarkable books whose ingenuity and formal daring put them beyond the range of conventional appraisal. There are also books lamentably difficult to assess because their utter disregard for style, literate narrative exposition and the entertainment quotient requisite in popular fiction seems more a result of artless ignorance than authorial intention.

"The Overton Window: A Thriller," a first novel by radio talk-show host and Fox News personality Glenn Beck, squats immovably in that latter category. Suffice to say that, the subtitle notwithstanding, there is nothing even remotely thrilling about this didactic, discursive — sporadically incoherent — novel. The image of a train wreck comes quickly to mind, though this book actually has more the character — and all of the excitement — of a lurching, low-speed derailment halfway out of the station.

111 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:36:48pm

re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

True, now my single biggest drinking night was a 12 pack of MGD, a bottle of red wine, half a fifth of Vodka, several rum and cokes, something called a Green Zombie and waking up in the Navy female barracks the next afternoon.

Why were you drinking with a green zombie in the female barracks?

112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:36:53pm

Was listening to the John Gibson Show on the radio earlier. A caller (Ret. Army) was a senior officer over McChrystal back in the day. Described the McChrystal as a magnificent soldier and wonderful man, and that he had to go.

Caller seemed credible. Yep, I'm deferring to this guy I've never met who may have been a fifty year old hobo hanging out in a van down by the river who found someones cell phone.

113 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:38:28pm

re: #108 Lidane

Nice. She (the reporter)hit him back!

114 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:40:35pm

re: #111 Spare O'Lake

Why were you drinking with a green zombie in the female barracks?

Because someone handed it to me and said, "Drink this". Plus that was at a bar out in town, the Navy Barracks was after that.

Green Zombie
1.0 splash Lemon Lime Soda
1.0 oz Blue Curacao
1.0 Ice
4.0 oz Pineapple Juice
1.0 oz malibu Rum

115 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:40:45pm

Personal update: It looks like my mom is coming out the hospital tonight or tomorrow morning.

116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:41:15pm

re: #110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He was talking about it the other day. Ayn Rand wasn't appreciated in her time either. (I'm sure he said something like that).

117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:42:08pm

re: #115 Cato the Elder

Oh! I didn't know. Sorry.

118 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:43:30pm

re: #116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He was talking about it the other day. Ayn Rand wasn't appreciated in her time either. (I'm sure he said something like that).

I was unaware we were still living in her time.

119 simoom  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:43:36pm

re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I find both sides skilled and able.

I suppose partisans from both sides often feel the opposition is better at political muckraking and funeling their talking points / narratives into the national media, and that their side is at a rhetorical disadvantage :P. I guess your view of a rough partisan equilibrium is just as likely as what I perceive.

120 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:44:05pm

re: #115 Cato the Elder

Personal update: It looks like my mom is coming out the hospital tonight or tomorrow morning.

Hope she feels better soon.

121 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:44:24pm

Mahut - Isner at Wimbledon. 9 1/2 hours into it, it's 56-56 in the fifth set (which has been going on for 6 1/2 hours)

122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:44:30pm

re: #119 simoom

Precisely.

123 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:44:59pm

re: #115 Cato the Elder

Personal update: It looks like my mom is coming out the hospital tonight or tomorrow morning.

I didn't know either... what's up, and how is she?

124 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:45:10pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

What is coming out of that well is a range of hydrocarbons, from the simplest Methane (one carbon atom) all the way up to complex organic molecules that could have up to 100 or so carbon atoms.

Lighter hydrocarbons of course can evaporate in normal air temps and pressure - go pour out some gasoline (mostly decane - 10 carbon atoms).

Are there enough of these lighter hydrocarbons in the air around southern LA to precipitate out? Good question - but there are also plenty of refineries in the area and I noticed that when I visited NOLA a couple of times, and once took a wrong turn out of the airport and ended up down south by some large petrochemical plants, that my nose could immediately tell the air was thick with all sorts of chemicals.

125 Lidane  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:45:14pm

re: #115 Cato the Elder

Personal update: It looks like my mom is coming out the hospital tonight or tomorrow morning.

Excellent news! Hope she has a solid, speedy recovery.

126 cliffster  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:45:30pm

re: #121 darthstar

Mahut - Isner at Wimbledon. 9 1/2 hours into it, it's 56-56 in the fifth set (which has been going on for 6 1/2 hours)

absolutely insane

127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:46:05pm

re: #121 darthstar

I'm exhausted.

128 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:49:05pm

Ah, the joys of office work.

A guy is messing around with a projector for a power point presentation and says "I can't get it any bigger than this."

From 3 different cubicles "THATS WHAT SHE SAID!"

And one of those was a girl.

129 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:49:05pm

re: #115 Cato the Elder

Personal update: It looks like my mom is coming out the hospital tonight or tomorrow morning.

?
I didn't know your mom was in the hospital!
Glad to hear she's well enough to be discharged.

130 simoom  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:50:15pm

re: #57 KingKenrod

Joe Biden said this:

"They went, in that one instance, I think, overboard. But the point they were trying to make was still valid."

I'm not sure what he thinks MoveOn's point was.

Sen. Boxer actually tried to get the ad condemned.

More here:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Thanks. Biden was kind of all over the place in that interview response, but he does say that MoveOn was "wrong in saying what they said," and that he thought "it was a mistake."

131 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:52:34pm

re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was with you up until the half a fifth of Vodka.

132 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:52:35pm

Art installation brings 60 pianos to the streets of New York City

New York (CNN) -- On Monday morning, New York City added a new sound to its usual cacophony of honking cars and taxis, groaning buses, and screeching subways: 5,280 tinkling piano keys.

In a collaboration between artist Luke Jerram and charitable organization Sing for Hope, 60 newly refurbished pianos were installed in public spaces throughout the city's five boroughs. "Play Me, I'm Yours," the brightly colored instruments announce provocatively.

love it, what a terrific idea

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

133 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:53:01pm

re: #115 Cato the Elder

Best wishes for your mom, Cato.

134 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:54:27pm

Cato, if your mom is as ornery as you are, she'll be okay soon...I hope so anyway

135 Slap  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:54:27pm

re: #112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Maybe this will help bolster your confidence in your caller:

Some Initial Response

I had forgotten that McChrystal was at the forefront of the Tillman incident, by the way. He didn't handle that one too well, either.

136 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:54:37pm

re: #128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ah, the joys of office work.

A guy is messing around with a projector for a power point presentation and says "I can't get it any bigger than this."

From 3 different cubicles "THATS WHAT SHE SAID!"

And one of those was a girl.

LMAO

137 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:55:13pm

re: #131 prairiefire

I was with you up until the half a fifth of Vodka.

Thats when things started getting a bit fuzzy and shortly thereafter found myself magically transported to the other side of the base and in the E-Club.

138 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:55:56pm

re: #135 Slap

Maybe this will help bolster your confidence in your caller:

I had forgotten that McChrystal was at the forefront of the Tillman incident, by the way. He didn't handle that one too well, either.

he kills bad guys, he's very good at that...all the PR and admin, not so good

139 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:56:12pm

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Liza Harper perhaps.

Oh my lord, I googled.

140 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:56:34pm

Dear god, they're doing the wave at Wimbledon.

141 Kragar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:57:03pm

re: #139 prairiefire

Oh my lord, I googled.

Why would you do something like that?!

142 cliffster  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:57:16pm

I'm thinking it must be all politics. Perhaps things are going to start going much worse in Afghanistan, and by doing the interview bit, McChrystal:
a) Goes on record as saying that he didn't like the current strategy
b) Gets out before the south-going happens

who knows, though.

143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:57:31pm

re: #140 darthstar

I'm sure they're kind of ... well ... punchy.

144 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:58:50pm

re: #142 cliffster

Isn't the strategy he helped to shape?

145 Lidane  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:59:19pm

re: #140 darthstar

Dear god, they're doing the wave at Wimbledon.

Is that marathon match still going? I'd be doing the wave too after all that.

146 cliffster  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:00:07pm

re: #144 prairiefire

Isn't the strategy he helped to shape?

That won't matter, true or false. He creates the appearance of having been against it the whole time.

147 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:00:13pm

re: #145 Lidane

Is that marathon match still going? I'd be doing the wave too after all that.

59-58 now..

148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:00:24pm

Awww.

149 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:01:05pm

re: #146 cliffster

That won't matter, true or false. He creates the appearance of having been against it the whole time.

I called one of my co-workers over to look and he said, "This can't be live! I was watching this morning before coming to work and it was 13-13. It should have ended hours ago!"

150 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:01:42pm

Via Instapundit, who got an email from Michael Yon - comments that pretty much reflect what I wrote earlier today:

The United States has again called upon General David Petraeus during crisis. There have been other times, the most remarkable being in January 2007 when we were on the cusp of losing the war in Iraq. The chances against success were increasingly remote. I was there through the entire surge, and more, and saw the remarkable transformation under command of General Petraeus and due to the incredible efforts of our armed forces and civilian counterparts. No book that I have read, including the one that I wrote, has fully conveyed the magnitude of those days. You simply had to be there.

Here we are again. This time on the cusp of losing the war in Afghanistan. The situation is worse than ever before. Again, the United States has asked General David Petraeus to step into a situation that seems hopeless to many people. It is not hopeless, just extremely bad. All is not lost, just nearly lost. Our people can turn this war around.

151 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:01:42pm

"Former New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer, who infamously resigned in disgrace after he was outed as Client No. 9, will have his second act as a co-host of a primetime news program on CNN."

Why not... if the wacky right can end up on Fox, why not the loony left on CNN... works for me.

152 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:03:24pm

re: #146 cliffster

That won't matter, true or false. He creates the appearance of having been against it the whole time.

maybe he was...all that must certainly be officially confidential, but things must be bad over there for him to throw in the towel...read the WSJ post from the overnight thread...it explains a lot

153 Lidane  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:04:04pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Pfft. CNN is about as loony left as a slice of vanilla pound cake. They're the network that tries to play the squishy middle ground.

154 blueraven  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:04:06pm

re: #101 Walter L. Newton

Well... did he... could he have told the truth?

What truth Walter? It was mostly unnecessary snarky comments. There was no policy difference between the President and the General, so what truth?

155 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:04:08pm

re: #150 lawhawk

Via Instapundit, who got an email from Michael Yon - comments that pretty much reflect what I wrote earlier today:

You have to be kidding... Obama picked "betray us" to fill that spot... how does that work out for you "MoveOn.org?"

156 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:04:18pm

re: #150 lawhawk

Certainly if Petraeus can make good progress then his stature will increase. I for one though think the Afghan situation is less amenable to Western style nation building.

157 Slap  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:07:56pm

re: #135 Slap

Some Initial Response

PIMF. grrrr....

158 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:08:27pm

re: #153 Lidane

Pfft. CNN is about as loony left as a slice of vanilla pound cake. They're the network that tries to play the squishy middle ground.

Where did I say CNN was the loony left? Show me?

159 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:09:49pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Why not... if the wacky right can end up on Fox CNN, why not the loony left on CNN... works for me.

Erick the son of Erick is already on CNN, and is A LOT more loony than Spitzer.

160 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:12:00pm

re: #154 blueraven

What truth Walter? It was mostly unnecessary snarky comments. There was no policy difference between the President and the General, so what truth?

read this....
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:15:03pm

re: #26 Charles

Another talking point spreading like wildfire: Obama once said mean things about Gen. Petraeus.

I think General Petraeus can handle it.

162 cliffster  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:15:40pm

re: #152 albusteve

maybe he was...all that must certainly be officially confidential, but things must be bad over there for him to throw in the towel...read the WSJ post from the overnight thread...it explains a lot

Interesting

163 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:17:13pm

re: #159 Nimed

Erick the son of Erick is already on CNN, and is A LOT more loony than Spitzer.

So? The more the merrier.

164 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:22:12pm

re: #123 Walter L. Newton

I didn't know either... what's up, and how is she?

They say the worst bacteria of all live in the human mouth.

So, back on Saturday, my mom and dad were going to a church meeting and she tripped on an uneven spot in Baltimore's ancient concrete sidewalks and did a literal face-plant.

She looks like someone took a hammer to her. And she was picking gravel out of her teeth on the way to the ER.

So, two days go by and she wakes up with a swollen right wrist, tingling, numbness, and major pain.

Turns out, if you injure your mouth even to the extent of a minor gum wound, the bugs go straight from there to whatever part of your body is weakest and settle in for a feast.

They had to induce a nerve-block at her shoulder to stop the pain.

But now she's feeling better.

That's it in a nutshell.

165 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:22:33pm

re: #104 Charles

Sure enough, Hot Air's going with the "Obama once criticized Petraeus" line.

He may well have. How does this connect to the current situation?

166 Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:24:49pm

re: #164 Cato the Elder

That's terrible. I do hope that she is fine and ready to take on the world.

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:28:24pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

"Former New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer, who infamously resigned in disgrace after he was outed as Client No. 9, will have his second act as a co-host of a primetime news program on CNN."

Why not... if the wacky right can end up on Fox, why not the loony left on CNN... works for me.

What is Love Client No. 9 going to be reporting on?

168 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 1:29:09pm

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

You have to be kidding... Obama picked "betray us" to fill that spot... how does that work out for you "MoveOn.org?"

I'm sure they're sobbing into their enormous pillows.

169 JOEST73  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 2:33:35pm

re: #53 Charles

Actually the "Betray-Us" ad seriously backfired on MoveOn.org. It went way too far, and they lost a lot of their support among liberals because of it.

Now MoveOn removed the "Betray Us” Page. The world would be a better place without George Soros and Rupert Murdoch.

170 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:58:37am

re: #101 Walter L. Newton

Well... did he... could he have told the truth?

haha yeah he totally told the fucking truth, that french minister was totally fucking gay


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