Tech Note: Email Comment Notifications

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I have a coding project today: I’m adding an often-requested feature to the LGF Blog that will let registered users choose to receive any new comments posted in a thread via email. This will make it easier to keep track of comments for any threads you’re interested in, or any Pages you post.

The emails will be sent to the email address in your account, so if it isn’t current you should update it in the My Account page.

The user interface for this will be very simple — a checkbox in the comment posting form labeled “Email new comments.” If you check the box, it will trigger an Ajax function that sets the notification option, and you’ll start receiving emails every time a new comment is posted in the thread. If you un-check the box, the emails for that thread will stop.

LGF comments are automatically disabled when a thread is older than 7 days, so you don’t have to worry about forgetting which threads you’re subscribed to; emails for any thread will stop after a week anyway.

While I iron out all the little wrinkles, here’s an open thread.

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532 comments
1 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:00:55pm

Note, be award of checking it on really lively threads, unless you're interested in getting approximately 1.5 million Emails a day :)

2 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:03:15pm

And here is the video for the Iranian cover version of "Another Brick in the Wall."

3 CuriousLurker  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:05:35pm

re: #1 windsagio

Note, be award of checking it on really lively threads, unless you're interested in getting approximately 1.5 million Emails a day :)

No kidding. It'll be good to flag a thread once it dies down though, that way you'll know when the dead thread trolls come slithering in.

4 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:06:00pm

It might be a good idea to code it such that it only sends out emails every 5 minutes or so, in batches, rather than constantly.

5 ShaunP  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:07:13pm

What are the chances of updating a person's "recent comments" to include comments in the pages or page posts?

6 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:07:49pm

I would like to be able to search comments in the Pages, or have a user's comments from the Pages show up in a search. Oooh, look what ShaunP just posted!

7 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:07:49pm

re: #4 Fozzie Bear

It might be a good idea to code it such that it only sends out emails every 5 minutes or so, in batches, rather than constantly.

Or to have a user-selectable frequency that a digest would be sent, instead of individual posts.

8 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:10:27pm

re: #4 Fozzie Bear

That is a most excellent idea! Not sure if it's workable, but it would be genius!

re: #3 CuriousLurker

If that's your thing yeah :) Last word doesn't really matter tho'

9 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:10:56pm

Neat.

Can we get a "deliver pizza to my house" button?
:)

10 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:11:47pm

The Koskidz are laughing at this Conservapedia article today: Counterexamples to Relativity
From Conservapedia


The theory of relativity is a mathematical system that allows no exceptions. It is heavily promoted by liberals who like its encouragement of relativism and its tendency to mislead people in how they view the world.[1] Here is a list of 24 counterexamples: any one of them shows that the theory is incorrect.
....
# The action-at-a-distance by Jesus, described in John 4:46-54.
# The failure to discover gravitons, despite wasting hundreds of millions in taxpayer money in searching.
# The inability of the theory to lead to other insights, contrary to every verified theory of physics.
....
# The theory predicts wormholes just as it predicts black holes, but wormholes violate causality and permit absurd time travel.[9]
# The theory predicts natural formation of highly ordered (and thus low entropy) black holes despite the increase in entropy required by the Second Law of Thermodynamics.[10]
11 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:12:28pm

re: #9 Varek Raith

Neat.

Can we get a "deliver pizza to my house" button?
:)

Pineapple?

12 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:13:31pm

re: #11 rwdflynavy

Pineapple?

NO PINEAPPLE!!!

re: #10 Killgore Trout

The Koskidz are laughing at this Conservapedia article today: Counterexamples to Relativity
From Conservapedia

Oh, for Zod's sake! They're still going after relativity?
:/

13 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:14:55pm

re: #12 Varek Raith

Next time we have the pizza discussion we should bring a real italian in.

14 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:14:57pm

re: #11 rwdflynavy

Pineapple?

DIEDIEDIEDIE

15 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:15:05pm

CHarles just posts these Tech Update threads to bait trolls and encourage flouncing. What is wrong with DOS prompts and dial-up? It was good enough for the Founding Fathers!!! /

16 CuriousLurker  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:15:11pm

re: #5 ShaunP

What are the chances of updating a person's "recent comments" to include comments in the pages or page posts?

In Charles' initial post he said it would work for Pages and threads. The comments are probably handled by the same code across the site.

17 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:15:35pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

The Koskidz are laughing at this Conservapedia article today: Counterexamples to Relativity
From Conservapedia

The theory of relativity is "heavily promoted by liberals"? That's hilarious.

18 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:16:02pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

6. The observed lack of curvature in overall space.

Lol.

19 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:16:16pm

re: #12 Varek Raith

Oh, for Zod's sake! They're still going after relativity?
:/

The "conversation" page for that article is hilarious...

lack of a single useful device


Our theory of relativity entry explains how it did not aid the development of GPS. The repeated attempt by relativists to falsely claim credit for GPS reinforces the lack of any legitimate contributions.--Andy Schlafly 11:29, 6 January 2010 (EST)
20 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:16:19pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

The Koskidz are laughing at this Conservapedia article today: Counterexamples to Relativity
From Conservapedia

Reading that makes my puzzler itchy.

21 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:16:27pm

re: #16 CuriousLurker

It makes a ton of sense for 'pages' actually. Moreso than 'threads'

22 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:16:59pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

The Koskidz are laughing at this Conservapedia article today: Counterexamples to Relativity
From Conservapedia

OMFG the stupidity knows no limits. Because liberals like it (WTF??), they attack one of the most fundamental underpinnings of physics.

To call these morons retarded is an insult to retarded people.

23 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:18:04pm

re: #3 CuriousLurker

No kidding. It'll be good to flag a thread once it dies down though, that way you'll know when the dead thread trolls come slithering in.

When mentioning them, always remember to post the visual aid you found earlier ;)

And thank you Charles! This feature will especially help with keeping worthwhile LGF Pages discussions alive.

24 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:18:07pm

re: #20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Reading that makes my puzzler itchy.

Get's even better if you click on "talk" tab. Por ejemplo:

In relativity, none of these things are true, due to the fact that velocities no longer add like vectors (and thus acceleration no longer incurs a cumulative change in velocity in the usual way.) This is seen as some sort of logical flaw or paradox simply because it contradicts the deeply ingrained intuition that came from the previous theory.--NgSmith Sun Dec 13 18:10:46 EST 2009

Theories that don't produce anything useful are often a waste of time, or simply false. I realize that liberals tend to downplay accountability -- a conservative insight, but theories should be accountable by what value they yield, particularly when taxpayer dollars are spent (wasted) on the theory.--Andy Schlafly 16:55, 7 January 2010 (EST)

25 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:18:48pm

re: #24 Gus 802

Oops. Gets. Damn apostrophe tourettes.

26 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:19:08pm

re: #24 Gus 802

Isn't Andy Schlafly Phyllis' son?

27 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:19:22pm

re: #24 Gus 802

Yeah, it's great stuff.

28 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:19:27pm

re: #26 darthstar

Isn't Andy Schlafly Phyllis' son?

Yep.

29 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:19:29pm

re: #22 Fozzie Bear

OMFG the stupidity knows no limits. Because liberals like it (WTF??), they attack one of the most fundamental underpinnings of physics.

To call these morons retarded is an insult to retarded people.

And they really have no idea what a theory is.

30 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:19:34pm

re: #24 Gus 802

Wow, what an idiot he is.

31 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:19:37pm

The search function used to also show comments posted for Pages, but somewhere along there it stopped working. I'll get around to debugging it eventually.

32 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:20:46pm

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And they really have no idea what a theory is.

I have a theory about that...

33 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:22:00pm

re: #30 Varek Raith

Wow, what an idiot he is.

Theories that don't produce anything useful are often a waste of time, or simply false. - Andrew Schlafly

34 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:22:48pm

I'm still twitching from surprise, confusion, and maybe even a little shame to be sharing a planet with the makers of conservapedia.

This.... blows my mind. There are few things more manifestly true than relativity.

SADf awrt qrtg xdfbf zdftvaWrgtsrdtazstgsertgsgrbaertg

That's about all I can say.

WHAT THE FUCK

35 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:23:30pm

re: #33 Gus 802

Theories that don't produce anything useful are often a waste of time, or simply false. - Andrew Schlafly

Heh.
I can't even articulate just how stupid that quote of his is...
My head asplode.

36 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:24:04pm

re: #32 DaddyG

I have a theory about that...

I have a theory. If you shine a light into Andrew Schlafly's left ear canal you will be able to see the light clearly through the right ear canal.

37 theheat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:24:13pm

re: #33 Gus 802

I always think Schlafly gadfly. It's one of those instant word associations I can't shake.

38 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:24:19pm

I feel like this has to have been an elaborate trolling attempt.

39 CuriousLurker  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:24:46pm

re: #8 windsagio

If that's your thing yeah :) Last word doesn't really matter tho'

It's not about having the last word, Wind. It's about people coming in and dropping nasty little turds long after a thread is closed when they think no one will notice.

40 RadicalModerate  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:25:10pm
41 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:25:26pm

re: #37 theheat

I always think Schlafly gadfly. It's one of those instant word associations I can't shake.

Marco Rubio will always be Marka Ragnos in my mind.
XD

42 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:25:45pm

A digest is a good idea, but the first version is going to send individual emails for every new comment posted. I suggest setting up an email rule that moves these emails to their own folder, to avoid cluttering your Inbox.

43 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:26:06pm

And noe for something completely different...

44 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:26:57pm

re: #43 DaddyG

And noe for something completely different...


[Video]

DaddyG of the Yard!

45 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:26:59pm

I know I shouldn't have, but I clicked it anyways.

Counterexamples to Evolution

For evolution to be true, every male dog, cat, horse, elephant, giraffe, fish and bird had to have coincidentally evolved with a female alongside it (over billions of years) with fully evolved compatible reproductive parts and a desire to mate, otherwise the species couldn't keep going. [7]

There are no historical records of anyone directly observing one species evolving into another, which would certainly be something worth writing about. Surely of the millions of species we have, someone would have witnessed one come into existence had it evolved.

Lack of genetic diversity among the Homo sapiens species. Were evolution and the old earth true, the human population would show a much larger genetic variance.[2]

Evolution does not account for the immense amount of information in the genome, as well as the origin of the information-processing systems in the cell. Information always has a sender, who must be God in this case.

46 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:27:27pm

Funny shit posted by one of my facebook friends who has the same name I do.

Facebook goes snail-mail.

If this catches on, it could actually save the US Postal Service.

47 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:27:41pm

re: #45 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I know I shouldn't have, but I clicked it anyways.

Counterexamples to Evolution

Image: Crocoduck.jpg

48 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:27:57pm

re: #45 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I know I shouldn't have, but I clicked it anyways.

Counterexamples to Evolution

NoooooooO!

Cause of Death: Conservapedia

//

49 Nimed  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:28:36pm

re: #17 Gus 802

The theory of relativity is "heavily promoted by liberals"? That's hilarious.

Or... is it? Not liberals, Gus. The truth is far more sinister than that.

Why Socialism? by Albert Einstein

The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil. We see before us a huge community of producers the members of which are unceasingly striving to deprive each other of the fruits of their collective labor—not by force, but on the whole in faithful compliance with legally established rules. In this respect, it is important to realize that the means of production—that is to say, the entire productive capacity that is needed for producing consumer goods as well as additional capital goods—may legally be, and for the most part are, the private property of individuals.

(continues)

50 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:28:47pm

re: #34 Fozzie Bear

I'm still twitching from surprise, confusion, and maybe even a little shame to be sharing a planet with the makers of conservapedia.

This... blows my mind. There are few things more manifestly true than relativity.

SADf awrt qrtg xdfbf zdftvaWrgtsrdtazstgsertgsgrbaertg

That's about all I can say.

WHAT THE FUCK

They would never admit it, but I think the ignernt boobs are actually upset about relativism.

51 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:29:44pm

Open thread! Open thread!
Come out and bring out all your dead!
Old prejudices, tales, and lies
about the time the commie spies
smacked your granny in the face
and tried to steal her reserved place
in the 0cabin of the train
when she had just run through the rain
to make her way to New York City
so she could turn her paltry kitty
into gold, to 'scape the loonies -
like $cientologists, or Moonies -
who wanted to replace her Jesus
with evil-smelling baby cheeses!
Or tell us all about the time
you were a victim of a crime
but no one could e'er prove a thing
against the neighbor's boyfriend's sling
nor find an arrow in your roots
or dog-shit in your cowboy boots.
You had to go to court for naught!
Let those who can learn well be taught
that gubmint is a stupid lie
a farce, may all those guys just die,
a way to take the hay you're balin'
and give a tithe - to Sarah Palin?
My friend, you must be kidding me
if you think these old eyes can't see
the game you're playing. Take a hike.
My next vote will not go to Ike,
because he's dead, and his descendants
sold their souls for gauds and pendants
like the kind you get when you
go on Fox News and tell a Jew
that his religion's been perfected.
'Scuse me, do I sound dejected?
It's not that I do not believe
in this great country. I just grieve
to see us all o'errun with clowns,
blonde talking skulls in evening gowns,
jesters, mountebanks, and shills.
Time for us to make our wills.
Mine is: do unto others
as if the worst of them were brothers.

Copyright © 2010 Cato the Elder

52 Nimed  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:30:35pm

re: #49 Nimed
(continued)

For the sake of simplicity, in the discussion that follows I shall call “workers” all those who do not share in the ownership of the means of production—although this does not quite correspond to the customary use of the term. The owner of the means of production is in a position to purchase the labor power of the worker. By using the means of production, the worker produces new goods which become the property of the capitalist. The essential point about this process is the relation between what the worker produces and what he is paid, both measured in terms of real value. Insofar as the labor contract is “free,” what the worker receives is determined not by the real value of the goods he produces, but by his minimum needs and by the capitalists' requirements for labor power in relation to the number of workers competing for jobs. It is important to understand that even in theory the payment of the worker is not determined by the value of his product.

Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.

53 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:30:44pm
Evolution should have removed HIV from the human race as we would have built an immunity to it, much like bacteria do to anti-biotics, yet we have not. In fact the continued existence of disease is proof against evolution as natural selection would have left only humans who were immune to them.

Schizophrenia is a disorder that causes a person to be unable to distinguish fantasy from reality. It is an inherited disorder and affects nearly 1 in 100 people. Scientists still have yet to explain what causes it, but one this is for certain, if evolution were true, it should have eliminated such an obvious disability long ago.

Evolutionarily speaking, these people should never have been capable of breeding.

54 CuriousLurker  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:30:50pm

re: #23 publicityStunted

When mentioning them, always remember to post the visual aid you found earlier ;)

LOL, I forgot I posted that!

55 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:31:10pm

Realtivity
Relitavism

It's all relative. /

56 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:31:35pm

re: #33 Gus 802

Theories that don't produce anything useful are often a waste of time, or simply false. - Andrew Schlafly

Like creationism!

57 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:31:56pm

re: #51 Cato the Elder

Very good. (Possible typo at 0cabin.) All the world wants to be an editor.

58 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:32:48pm

re: #55 DaddyG

Realtivity
Relitavism

It's all relative. /


Good heavens... this sinus infection is messing with my ability to spell. Big time.

That is so weird.

59 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:34:39pm

re: #33 Gus 802

Theories that don't produce anything useful are often a waste of time, or simply false. - Andrew Schlafly

Well, then I guess my GPS system is just an illusion, the fevered delusion of my liberal mind.

60 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:35:03pm

re: #59 Fozzie Bear

Well, then I guess my GPS system is just an illusion, the fevered delusion of my liberal mind.

Take the red pill.

61 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:35:48pm

re: #59 Fozzie Bear

Well, then I guess my GPS system is just an illusion, the fevered delusion of my liberal mind.

It was created within the last six thousand years, so it's all good.

62 Soap_Man  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:36:05pm

This might be asking too much, but is/could there be an option where we get an email if the new comment is a direct response to one of our comments, but not all new comments?

I ask because sometimes I post then have to leave and do stuff, only to miss that somebody tried to engage me in convo after I was gone. Getting an email for all comments is nice, but it can be a little overwhelming if I'm getting Obdicut responding to Cato, when I'm concerned with whether DF responded to a question I asked. (Kind of like how Facebook does it.)

I know I'm selfish, but it would be a nice little feature. :)

63 Nimed  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:36:38pm

Let's face it, Einstein was redder than a ripe tomato. This necessarily means that all hs work in Physics is contaminated with Marxist cooties. You don't have to be a physicist to know you can't trust a single equation in it.

64 CuriousLurker  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:36:53pm

Gah, I have to get back to work.
BBL

65 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:37:19pm

re: #61 Cato the Elder

It was created within the last six thousand years, so it's all good.

The world is 5 minutes old. All information to the contrary was put there by the creator to trick us.

66 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:38:21pm

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The world is 5 minutes old. All information to the contrary was put there by the creator to trick us.

So my payment wasn't late?

67 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:38:54pm

re: #66 darthstar

So my payment wasn't late?

It was God's plan.

68 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:39:51pm

re: #63 Nimed

Let's face it, Einstein was redder than a ripe tomato. This necessarily means that all hs work in Physics is contaminated with Marxist cooties. You don't have to be a physicist to know you can't trust a single equation in it.

I don't take marriage tips from Albert Einstein and I don't attend Sunday School to brush up on my physics.

69 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:41:13pm

OK I just googled "sinus infection small motor skills" and saw a posting about somebody dying from a sinus infection that spread to their brain.

I should not have done that.

70 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:41:49pm

re: #33 Gus 802

Theories never produced anything practical? I guess this was just a figment of our collective imagination.

A theory may not have a practical consequence for long after it was first noted. Kind of like many technological processes. For instance, Corning glass has produced lots of different glass products since it was founded. Some of the stuff invented decades ago didn't result in anything worthwhile until decades later.

Optical fiber for one.

Gorilla glass is another. It's the stuff used by all kinds of manufacturers to make sleek scratch proof interfaces for LCD and LED products. It sat on the shelf for decades until a use could be found.

71 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:41:57pm

re: #69 DaddyG

Motor Skills...this squirrel has them.

72 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:43:44pm

re: #71 darthstar

Motor Skills...this squirrel has them.

[Video]

What? No squirrel-a-pult at the end?
/

73 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:46:29pm

re: #59 Fozzie Bear

Well, then I guess my GPS system is just an illusion, the fevered delusion of my liberal mind.

He's a moron of the first order and a dripping far-right ideologue. There are many theories that took 100s of years to be proven and many yet to be proven through the scientific method and as technology advances. One of those is the Large Hadron Collider which is working on advancing yet unproven theories.

74 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:47:11pm

Hasta later.

75 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:47:29pm

re: #57 Decatur Deb

Very good. (Possible typo at 0cabin.) All the world wants to be an editor.

You know that the Germans recognize a specific kind of demon? He's called the Druckfehlerteuful (typo devil), and he inhabits every keyboard and typesetting shop. (Yes, there are still shops that set type by hand.) No matter how many times one reads one's own manuscript, he'll slip something in.

Once, in Edinburgh, the proud Victorians decided to publish a perfect book. I can't remember the subject, but it was something theological, with English, Greek, and Latin all mixed up in the pages. Proofread, over and over, by the best scholars and typesetters of the day.

So the dons offered a unique and princely prize: they hung out the final proofs of the book in the hall of the main building and promised a reward of 20 guineas (a small fortune at the time) to any student who could find an error.

Weeks went by, and no one was able to claim the prize. So they went ahead and printed it.

The following day, someone found about seventeen errors in the printed edition. Including one on the first page.

Druckfehlerteufel!

76 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:47:34pm

re: #66 darthstar

So my payment wasn't late?

Your payment never happened. God just planted in the circuitry of your mind the illusion of memories of a world older than 5 minutes.

77 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:48:52pm

re: #69 DaddyG

OK I just googled "sinus infection small motor skills" and saw a posting about somebody dying from a sinus infection that spread to their brain.

I should not have done that.

I hate doing self diagnosis through google. It's always spooky.

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:48:52pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

The Koskidz are laughing at this Conservapedia article today: Counterexamples to Relativity
From Conservapedia

Wait. They're opposed to the theory of relativity...

Oh God. I can't stand it.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:49:44pm

re: #17 Gus 802

The theory of relativity is "heavily promoted by liberals"? That's hilarious.

Well, it's heavily promoted by physics professors. And they're mostly Jews. And Jews are Democrats. You can see the problem.

80 garhighway  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:50:20pm

re: #36 Gus 802

I have a theory. If you shine a light into Andrew Schlafly's left ear canal you will be able to see the light clearly through the right ear canal.

But if you do that on a moving train, does the light go faster?

81 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:50:34pm

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

Wait. They're opposed to the theory of relativity...

Oh God. I can't stand it.

Science is an evil plot to get grant money from the government. LGF used to be full of lizards who believed that.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:50:55pm

re: #22 Fozzie Bear

OMFG the stupidity knows no limits. Because liberals like it (WTF??), they attack one of the most fundamental underpinnings of physics.

To call these morons retarded is an insult to retarded people.

As a liberal with a limited science education, I truly was not aware that I had partisan leanings toward the theory of relativity. I barely know what the theory of relativity is.

I do, however, have a good enough science education to tell that their arguments against it are pretty stupid.

83 palomino  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:50:55pm

Just to pile on. Here's a great vid of Andy Schlafly being reduced to ashes...by a TV comedian.

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:51:16pm

re: #26 darthstar

Isn't Andy Schlafly Phyllis' son?

Yes, the heir to the Crazy So-Con Empire.

85 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:51:33pm

re: #75 Cato the Elder

You know that the Germans recognize a specific kind of demon? He's called the Druckfehlerteuful (typo devil), and he inhabits every keyboard and typesetting shop. (Yes, there are still shops that set type by hand.) No matter how many times one reads one's own manuscript, he'll slip something in.

Once, in Edinburgh, the proud Victorians decided to publish a perfect book. I can't remember the subject, but it was something theological, with English, Greek, and Latin all mixed up in the pages. Proofread, over and over, by the best scholars and typesetters of the day.

So the dons offered a unique and princely prize: they hung out the final proofs of the book in the hall of the main building and promised a reward of 20 guineas (a small fortune at the time) to any student who could find an error.

Weeks went by, and no one was able to claim the prize. So they went ahead and printed it.

The following day, someone found about seventeen errors in the printed edition. Including one on the first page.

Druckfehlerteufel!

The monastery's scriptorium had just acquired one of the earliest works of Augustine. After weeks alone with it, the abbot came out, pale and shaking.
"It was a typo--the word should be celebrate."

86 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:51:38pm

re: #80 garhighway

But if you do that on a moving train, does the light go faster?

no but the frequency will color shift

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:51:51pm

re: #36 Gus 802

I have a theory. If you shine a light into Andrew Schlafly's left ear canal you will be able to see the light clearly through the right ear canal.

That's a hypothesis, Gus.

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:52:08pm

re: #38 Fozzie Bear

I feel like this has to have been an elaborate trolling attempt.

I think all of Conservapedia is an elaborate trolling attempt.

89 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:52:30pm

re: #85 Decatur Deb

LMLAO!

(Laughing my lascivious ass off.)

90 garhighway  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:52:43pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

no but the frequency will color shift

And a cat in a box will die.

91 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:52:49pm

re: #85 Decatur Deb

The monastery's scriptorium had just acquired one of the earliest works of Augustine. After weeks alone with it, the abbot came out, pale and shaking.
"It was a typo--the word should be celebrate."

lol

92 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:53:28pm

re: #8 windsagio

That is a most excellent idea! Not sure if it's workable, but it would be genius!

re: #3 CuriousLurker

If that's your thing yeah :) Last word doesn't really matter tho'

Yes it does.

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:53:53pm

re: #50 Decatur Deb

They would never admit it, but I think the ignernt boobs are actually upset about relativism.

If you read their little excerpt, they apparently think that relativity leads to relativism. Or something.

94 freetoken  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:54:12pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Conservapedia's stupidity is well known to anyone who even dabbles into the culture war. That site's view on Relativity is a hoot.

95 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:54:29pm

re: #90 garhighway

And a cat in a box will die.

Or will it?

96 avanti  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:55:09pm

Coming soon according to another blog thread:

"This is my message to Dar Al Islam: Don’t expect that the next Republican President will declare your racist ideology a religion of peace. Don’t expect that in the next round of fighting we will go in as goody goodies and build you schools. Expect nothing but a Mongol style destruction without mercy. Our patience is running out and after we destroy the Progressive movement and restore our economy you are next!
Take that as warning from a pissed of American!"

First they came for the lefties, than the Muslims......./

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:55:40pm

re: #69 DaddyG

OK I just googled "sinus infection small motor skills" and saw a posting about somebody dying from a sinus infection that spread to their brain.

I should not have done that.

The Internet has its drawbacks.

98 freetoken  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:56:04pm

re: #50 Decatur Deb

They would never admit it, but I think the ignernt boobs are actually upset about relativism.

Yes, they are, but they are also upset at the theory of relativity (special and general), and most of physics. That's because science doesn't let them have a 6000 year old Earth. That's also why Art Robinson in his homeschool curriculum doesn't want students learning anything past Newtonian mechanics.

99 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:56:21pm

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

As a liberal with a limited science education, I truly was not aware that I had partisan leanings toward the theory of relativity. I barely know what the theory of relativity is.

I do, however, have a good enough science education to tell that their arguments against it are pretty stupid.

I have spent years of my life trying to understand Einstein's work. Years. I still don't fully understand all of it.

Who knew it was just because I was a pinko?

100 garhighway  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:56:45pm

re: #96 avanti

Coming soon according to another blog thread:

"This is my message to Dar Al Islam: Don’t expect that the next Republican President will declare your racist ideology a religion of peace. Don’t expect that in the next round of fighting we will go in as goody goodies and build you schools. Expect nothing but a Mongol style destruction without mercy. Our patience is running out and after we destroy the Progressive movement and restore our economy you are next!
Take that as warning from a pissed of American!"

First they came for the lefties, than the Muslims.../

Mongol-style?

I kinda like that.

101 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:57:26pm

re: #100 garhighway

Mongol-style?

I kinda like that.

Mongols were Buddhists.

102 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:58:36pm

re: #69 DaddyG

OK I just googled "sinus infection small motor skills" and saw a posting about somebody dying from a sinus infection that spread to their brain.

I should not have done that.

Internet opens whole new world for hypocondriac

"The Internet has really revolutionized my ability to keep on top of my medical problems," said Hartley, speaking from her bed. "For instance, I used to think my headaches were just really bad migraines. But then last week, while searching Mt. Sinai Hospital's online medical database, I learned about something much more serious called cranial AVM, or arteriovascular malformation, which, along with headache pain, may also result in dizziness, loss of concentration, and impaired vision. I immediately thought to myself, 'Hey, that's exactly what happens to me.'"

103 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:58:52pm

re: #90 garhighway

And a cat in a box will die.

Met a cute grrrl yesterday here in Baltimore "Hot Child in the City" Town.

The front of her T-shirt said "the cat is dead". The back read "the cat lives". I engaged her in conversation, and we started talking about Schrödinger's dog. Got her number. I think this one's a keeper.

Or maybe not. I'm so indecisive.

104 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:58:58pm

re: #98 freetoken

Yes, they are, but they are also upset at the theory of relativity (special and general), and most of physics. That's because science doesn't let them have a 6000 year old Earth. That's also why Art Robinson in his homeschool curriculum doesn't want students learning anything past Newtonian mechanics.

Couldn't science offer them some kind of dilation trick, where a very fast Earth could be both 4.5 billion and 6K at the same time? They seem able to acomodate other contradictory ideas quite nicely.

105 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 1:59:27pm

re: #94 freetoken

Conservapedia's stupidity is well known to anyone who even dabbles into the culture war. That site's view on Relativity is a hoot.

I should stop reading, but its like a blackhole of stupid that won't let you free.

Causes of Homosexuality

The Bible, being the most comprehensive transcendent moral authority, abundantly deals with human nature and behavior and consistently manifests that the nature of man has not changed since the Fall. So the Bible is certainly the preeminent authoritative source when it comes to providing a framework when determining the causes of homosexuality

106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:00:12pm

GAY HEAVY METAL

I just thought I should leave that here :D

107 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:00:31pm

re: #104 Decatur Deb

Couldn't science offer them some kind of dilation trick, where a very fast Earth could be both 4.5 billion and 6K at the same time? They seem able to acomodate other contradictory ideas quite nicely.

The 6 thousand year old theory is a trick that God played when he made the Earth 5 minutes ago.

108 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:00:31pm

re: #100 garhighway

Mongol-style?

I kinda like that.

Mongo-style.

Mongo no like lefties. They wield clubs funny. Catch Mongo off guard. Mongo like righties, they be rugged. And all individual and shit.

109 Nimed  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:00:37pm

re: #73 Gus 802

Everything is political to movement conservatives. The theory or relativity must be false because it has the word "relativity" in it, which is close enough to "relativism" that it makes them uncomfortable, and Einstein was a socialist anyway. Music is political, clothes are political, lattes are political, cars are political. Every fucking thing you do is a political act, and therefore part of their war.

It must be exhausting to live like that.

110 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:00:45pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

The Internet has its drawbacks.

google image search is a minefield o_o

111 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:00:52pm

re: #106 WindUpBird

GAY HEAVY METAL

I just thought I should leave that here :D

A Judas Priest fan, huh?

112 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:01:00pm

re: #103 Cato the Elder

Met a cute grrrl yesterday here in Baltimore "Hot Child in the City" Town.

The front of her T-shirt said "the cat is dead". The back read "the cat lives". I engaged her in conversation, and we started talking about Schrödinger's dog. Got her number. I think this one's a keeper.

Or maybe not. I'm so indecisive.

New baby lizard reaches 1 wk milestone in an hour or so. His t-shirt has a very proper Apple font that reads "iPood".

113 freetoken  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:01:35pm

re: #104 Decatur Deb

Generally creationists don't think like that. At best they try to argue that the speed of light is not a constant but has changed radically over the last 6000 years. Obviously those folk have never taken E&M classes.

Most of them just put all scientists in the the "materialist" camp, declare the whole thing wholly reprobate, and move on to easier topics.

114 avanti  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:01:41pm

re: #100 garhighway

Mongol-style?

I kinda like that.

Yea, a nice touch. Of course, by posting the stupid comment, I'll be labeled as pro terrorist and anti-Jew so I'll be the first target once they take power./ I wonder if it occurred to the poster that wiping out one faith has been tried before, say back in the 30's, 40's.

115 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:01:58pm

re: #104 Decatur Deb

Couldn't science offer them some kind of dilation trick, where a very fast Earth could be both 4.5 billion and 6K at the same time? They seem able to acomodate other contradictory ideas quite nicely.

That would require the existence of an absolute timeframe. Sadly, this is ruled out by relativity. The earth can only be a given age relative to a given timeframe, rather than in an absolute sense.

116 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:01:59pm

re: #110 WindUpBird

"sea cucumber!"

Ok off to get some eats, bonus for anyone who remembers that reference :D

117 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:02:16pm

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A Judas Priest fan, huh?

Oh absolutely :D My cassette of Screaming for Vengeance broke, I plated it so much as a kid

118 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:03:45pm

Reposted for major truth, via Summer (who seems to have done a drive-by):

Very interesting Slate article on the Cordoba House from Mr. Hitchens:

[Link: www.slate.com...]

Highly recommend reading this. Hitchens's take is that there's no reason to trust Imam Rauf, but even less reason to trust the Christofascists and their trog buddies.

119 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:03:46pm

re: #115 Fozzie Bear

That would require the existence of an absolute timeframe. Sadly, this is ruled out by relativity. The earth can only be a given age relative to a given timeframe, rather than in an absolute sense.

I'm relying on their not knowing that.

120 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:04:21pm

re: #116 windsagio

"sea cucumber!"

Ok off to get some eats, bonus for anyone who remembers that reference :D

Don't remember the ref, but I've eaten them, to be polite.

121 garhighway  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:06:06pm

Wildly OT and massively weird: a Jet Blue flight attendant loses his cool and exits the plane via the emergency slide:

[Link: cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com...]

122 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:06:30pm

"But my peers are the Nation! And they put me in the Bible!"

123 webevintage  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:06:32pm

Conservapedia
Fucking Magnets, how do they work?

124 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:07:13pm

re: #120 Decatur Deb

One night, very late, 'sea cucumber porn' came up in a discussion, look it up if you want!

/ok now really off :D

125 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:07:23pm

re: #119 Decatur Deb

I'm relying on their not knowing that.

Ok we could tell them that the rate at which the Earth revolved around the sun could have been much much slower for a long period of time. This would allow for a young Earth measured in years, and yet it would allow for the universe to be very very old.

Of course, there's no evidence for it, but it would potentially allow one to reconcile 6000 "years" (revolutions around the sun) with 4.5 billion "years" (periods of time equal to the current length of a single revolution).

It's not like it has to make total sense for these loons to buy it.

126 webevintage  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:08:39pm

Is all of Conservapedia written by Andy or do folks make listings like on a Wiki and if so is there some hi-jinks going on?
Because Andy seems so crazy that you could really do a spoof and no one might be able to tell.
Which is awesome....

127 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:09:55pm

re: #126 webevintage

Is all of Conservapedia written by Andy or do folks make listings like on a Wiki and if so is there some hi-jinks going on?
Because Andy seems so crazy that you could really do a spoof and no one might be able to tell.
Which is awesome...

Someone had a bunch of RR students (HS or college) building articles as class projects.

128 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:09:58pm

re: #126 webevintage

Is all of Conservapedia written by Andy or do folks make listings like on a Wiki and if so is there some hi-jinks going on?
Because Andy seems so crazy that you could really do a spoof and no one might be able to tell.
Which is awesome...

Poe's law, in action.

129 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:10:25pm

re: #125 Fozzie Bear

It's not like it has to make total sense for these loons to buy it.

Most of them have more dollars than sense, anyway.

130 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:11:54pm

OH, I am so linking to Conservapedia next time we get a troll in a Prop 8 thread.

United States Constitution

Some of the original framers and many delegates in the state ratifying conventions were troubled that the original Constitution lacked a guarantee of individual rights to protect them against the federal government. Supporters promised such a "bill of rights" and in 1791 the first ten amendments were ratified and became known as "The Bill of Rights". [3] After the Civil War, the Constitution was amended to prevent state governments from infringing on the rights of the people.

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:11:57pm

re: #126 webevintage

Is all of Conservapedia written by Andy or do folks make listings like on a Wiki and if so is there some hi-jinks going on?
Because Andy seems so crazy that you could really do a spoof and no one might be able to tell.
Which is awesome...

It's open-source, like Wikipedia, and I believe a lot of the entries are supposed to have been volunteered by home-schooled teenagers. And God know, it shows.

I think you could easily spoof it and get away with it, and I suspect some people do. The man who invented the Invisible Hand of Marriage, and the Conservative Bible isn't going to notice he's having his ass made fun of.

I have been tempted to get involved with the Conservative Bible project, either as a mocker or a serious translator, just for kicks. Their Hebrew is bad. I can't judge, but Irenicum says their Greek is also bad. I think they're working from a translation already.

132 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:12:29pm

re: #128 Fozzie Bear

Poe's law, in action.

Poe's Law: "If the pendulum is swinging your way, pit the legendary poem against it."

133 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:13:19pm

re: #45 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I know I shouldn't have, but I clicked it anyways.

Counterexamples to Evolution

I love the information argument. To stop them dead, or at least to reduce them to a crawl, just ask them to define information as it applies to the genome and how to measure it. For shits and giggles if their crawl seems too fast, ask then why the Amoeba dubia has 670,000,000,000 base pairs and humans have 3,000,000,000.

134 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:13:57pm

Still traveling in Slow Connection Land. --Later, all.

135 Soap_Man  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:15:09pm

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

It's open-source, like Wikipedia, and I believe a lot of the entries are supposed to have been volunteered by home-schooled teenagers. And God know, it shows.

I think you could easily spoof it and get away with it, and I suspect some people do. The man who invented the Invisible Hand of Marriage, and the Conservative Bible isn't going to notice he's having his ass made fun of.

I have been tempted to get involved with the Conservative Bible project, either as a mocker or a serious translator, just for kicks. Their Hebrew is bad. I can't judge, but Irenicum says their Greek is also bad. I think they're working from a translation already.

To poke fun at the creationist museum "dinosaurs and man lived together" stuff, there was briefly a picture of Jesus riding a Velociraptor on the "evolution" page a few months ago.

136 webevintage  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:16:29pm

In case anyone actually cares about the truth behind the whole outragous outrage over Michelle Obama and her (40...well actually it is 3) friends and their lavish trip to Spain with their kids that the taxpayer is paying (not really) for but via Balloon Juice:

One of the women is a longtime Obama friend, Anita Blanchard, an obstetrician who delivered Sasha and big sister Malia, 12. Her husband is Marty Nesbitt, a close Obama friend and treasurer of Obama's presidential campaign fund.

A White House source told me the Mrs. Obama was not able to attend the funeral for Blanchard's father at the beginning of July. Blanchard, who was taking her daughter on a promised trip to Spain, asked the first lady and Sasha to come to Spain with her. (Malia is at overnight camp.) "She felt it was important as a dear friend to do this," I was told.

A reason Mrs. Obama stayed at the ritzy Villa Padierna in Marbella was security, I was told. Agents were able to secure the lush resort and a nearby beach.


[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]

Just like the Clinton's and the 3 million dollar (not anywhere near a million even) wedding.

137 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:16:40pm

re: #121 garhighway

Wildly OT and massively weird: a Jet Blue flight attendant loses his cool and exits the plane via the emergency slide:

[Link: cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com...]

ROFLMAO! He looks like a character from the Airplane! movies...

Image: 09flight-cityroom-blogSpan.jpg

138 garhighway  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:16:49pm

re: #135 Soap_Man

To poke fun at the creationist museum "dinosaurs and man lived together" stuff, there was briefly a picture of Jesus riding a Velociraptor on the "evolution" page a few months ago.

On a saddle or bare-back?

139 garhighway  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:17:26pm

re: #137 darthstar

ROFLMAO! He looks like a character from the Airplane! movies...

Image: 09flight-cityroom-blogSpan.jpg

He was the head of their Values Committee.

140 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:17:27pm

re: #133 b_sharp

I love the information argument. To stop them dead, or at least to reduce them to a crawl, just ask them to define information as it applies to the genome and how to measure it. For shits and giggles if their crawl seems too fast, ask then why the Amoeba dubia has 670,000,000,000 base pairs and humans have 3,000,000,000.

"Paradoxical fossils
The fact that new discoveries, such as Raptorex, routinely call into question key dogmas of evolutionism and require the "immutable" laws of evolution to be reassessed. By contrast, creationism has prevailed in the face of scientific discoveries for six thousand years. "

The stupid, it hurts.

141 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:17:59pm

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

It's open-source, like Wikipedia, and I believe a lot of the entries are supposed to have been volunteered by home-schooled teenagers. And God know, it shows.

I think you could easily spoof it and get away with it, and I suspect some people do. The man who invented the Invisible Hand of Marriage, and the Conservative Bible isn't going to notice he's having his ass made fun of.

I have been tempted to get involved with the Conservative Bible project, either as a mocker or a serious translator, just for kicks. Their Hebrew is bad. I can't judge, but Irenicum says their Greek is also bad. I think they're working from a translation already.

And Jesus said:

"The laborer worker wage-slave illegal alien independent contractor is worthy of his wages hire pittance whatever you decide to give him. Plus tip, if you're feeling flush."

Conservapedia in nuce.

142 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:19:00pm

re: #135 Soap_Man

To poke fun at the creationist museum "dinosaurs and man lived together" stuff, there was briefly a picture of Jesus riding a Velociraptor on the "evolution" page a few months ago.

Raptor Jesus is not amused.

Image: raptor-jesus_02.jpg

143 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:19:24pm

re: #136 webevintage

In case anyone actually cares about the truth behind the whole outragous outrage over Michelle Obama and her (40...well actually it is 3) friends and their lavish trip to Spain with their kids that the taxpayer is paying (not really) for but via Balloon Juice:

One of the women is a longtime Obama friend, Anita Blanchard, an obstetrician who delivered Sasha and big sister Malia, 12. Her husband is Marty Nesbitt, a close Obama friend and treasurer of Obama's presidential campaign fund.

A White House source told me the Mrs. Obama was not able to attend the funeral for Blanchard's father at the beginning of July. Blanchard, who was taking her daughter on a promised trip to Spain, asked the first lady and Sasha to come to Spain with her. (Malia is at overnight camp.) "She felt it was important as a dear friend to do this," I was told.


[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]

Just like the Clinton's and the 3 million dollar (not anywhere near a million even) wedding.

That sounds about right.

Of course, no one who was bitching about this is going to care.

144 Soap_Man  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:19:26pm

re: #138 garhighway

On a saddle or bare-back?

I think this was the picture. There is a saddle. And what appears to be a shotgun.

145 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:21:43pm

re: #144 Soap_Man

I think this was the picture. There is a saddle. And what appears to be a shotgun.

Looks bareback to me. Must be a Catholic thing.

Image: jesus_with_dinosaur.jpg

146 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:23:23pm

Of course we all know why dinosaurs really died off.

Image: dinosaurs-lasers.jpg

147 garhighway  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:24:12pm

re: #141 Cato the Elder

And Jesus said:

"The laborer worker wage-slave illegal alien independent contractor is worthy of his wages hire pittance whatever you decide to give him. Plus tip, if you're feeling flush."

Conservapedia in nuce.

Blessed be the cheesemakers.

148 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:24:29pm

re: #139 garhighway

He was the head of their Values Committee.

Back when I flew a lot for work, I was on the SF-Boston flight often enough that I got to know the flight crew, and as I always sat either in the last row of business or the exit row (757), I would call out the crew's instructions just before they said them (but softly, so only the flight attendant could hear me)...one day, she handed me the phone and told me to go ahead. I said, "Arm doors, cross-check" and the other attendants all looked up to see who the new voice was. It was fun.

149 theheat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:24:33pm

re: #144 Soap_Man
Saddle, though no visible or realistic means of support. Also, nothing to hold the bit in its mouth, other than pulling backward. No wonder 'raptors weren't very cheerful.

re: #145 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sidesaddle and bitless, no less.

150 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:27:53pm

re: #102 darthstar

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

I think I'll just finish my antibiotic and trust I won't die from the sinus infection.

151 lostlakehiker  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:28:27pm

False to fact point 24: Hafele Keating experimentproves that the time-bending aspects of relativity are real. A clock going around the earth in the direction of its spin diverges from a clock going around the other way.

The rest of the arguments are just ignorant. They take principles of Newtonian physics, observe that these fail according to relativity, and conclude that relativity must be wrong. Doh! It's never claimed to be consistent with Newtonian physics. If the axioms change, yeah, the theorems change too.

The 'axioms' of Newtonian physics are subtly wrong. They just don't fit the observed facts. Relativity isn't likely the very last word in physics but for a broad range of phenomena it gives a much better prediction than does Newtonian physics.

152 webevintage  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:28:34pm

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

That sounds about right.

Of course, no one who was bitching about this is going to care.

I know.
Sucks that the truth really does not matter when it comes to hating the First Lady.

153 Soap_Man  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:28:44pm

On the subject of creationism and dinosaurs, there is a really funny sports moment from a few years ago. In 2005, Carl Everett played for the White Sox. A reporter, probably just making conversation at first, started talking to him about religion. Everett went on a creationism rant and said dinosaurs never existed because they aren't in the bible, and said "Somebody actually saw Adam and Eve. No one ever saw a Tyrannosaurus rex.""

So the reporter (who probably knew Everett quite well) asked "then how do you explain dinosaur bones?" Everett said. He said something like "they make that shit up in a lab or something."

After that story came out, he was nicknamed Jurassic Carl.

154 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:29:11pm

re: #150 DaddyG

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

I think I'll just finish my antibiotic and trust I won't die from the sinus infection.

If you want antibiotics, just get a six-pack of Chicken McNuggets.

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:30:15pm

re: #154 darthstar

If you want antibiotics, just get a six-pack of Chicken McNuggets.

Alternatively, just dip your amoxicillin capsules in barbecue sauce.

156 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:32:03pm

re: #121 garhighway

Wildly OT and massively weird: a Jet Blue flight attendant loses his cool and exits the plane via the emergency slide:

[Link: cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com...]


"In addition to serving as chairman of JetBlue’s uniform redesign committee, the LinkedIn entry says, Mr. Slater serves on the airline’s in-flight values committee."

Now that is a 1st class FLOUNCE!!

157 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:32:44pm

re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist

Alternatively, just dip your amoxicillin capsules in barbecue sauce.

How did you know what I was taking? Spoooky!

158 freetoken  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:32:53pm

re: #153 Soap_Man


Everett is an outspoken man, and his remarks have proven controversial on several occasions. Perhaps the best-known of these was his denial of the existence of dinosaurs. He was quoted as saying, "God created the sun, the stars, the heavens and the earth, and then made Adam and Eve. The Bible never says anything about dinosaurs. You can't say there were dinosaurs when you never saw them. Somebody actually saw Adam and Eve. No one ever saw a Tyrannosaurus rex." He also derided fossils of dinosaur bones as man-made fakes.[3] In reference to these comments, Boston Globe columnist Dan Shaughnessy dubbed Everett "Jurassic Carl." Everett, in turn, referred to Shaughnessy as the "curly-haired boyfriend" of Globe beat writer Gordon Edes.[4] In Seattle, he was known as C-Rex, a name given him by writers for the Mariners blog U.S.S. Mariner.
159 webevintage  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:34:52pm

hahahahahahaha
#AquaBuddha is new hash tag on Twitter.....

Rand Paul, the AquaBuddha and weed:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

The story is almost too bizarre to digest in full -- from the blindfolded, pot-infused kidnapping to the weird worship of the Aqua Buddha deity. And, in that respect, it's important to note that it was delivered via anonymous attribution.

Paul's campaign has not yet responded to requests for comment, telling GQ merely that "During his time at Baylor, Dr. Paul competed on the swim team and was an active member of Young Conservatives of Texas."

160 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:35:45pm

re: #157 DaddyG

How did you know what I was taking? Spoooky!

Standard pharmacological procedure in the US. Start with Amoxycillin, and when that doesn't work, go to Augmentin/Clavamox (Amoxycillin with Clavulinic (sp?) acid)...then Erythromycin...then they pull out the big guns.

Just get better. Ride it out, take your meds. Try not to worry.

161 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:36:54pm

re: #147 garhighway

Blessed be the cheesemakers.

Blessed be the Wall Street crybabies, for they shall be bailed out.

Blessed be the employers, for they shall pay minimum wage.

Blessed be the outsourcers, for they shall be known as the saviors of Haiti.

Blessed be the liars on Fox, for they shall titillate the masses with cleavage.

Blessed be the Stormfront Nazis, for they shall protect their heritage.

Blessed be Pam Geller, for she shall have silicone wherever she walks.

Blessed be the Andy Breitbarts, for they shall light up their farts and call it journalism.

Blessed be Robert Spencer. The porkier, the denser.

162 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:37:41pm

re: #42 Charles

A digest is a good idea, but the first version is going to send individual emails for every new comment posted. I suggest setting up an email rule that moves these emails to their own folder, to avoid cluttering your Inbox.

One thing to consider is that some ISPs/companies/email providers may mark LGF emails as spam and block them if they're coming in too frequently, especially if someone checks it on an active thread that's hot and heavy.

163 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:37:57pm

re: #159 webevintage

hahahahahahaha
#AquaBuddha is new hash tag on Twitter...

Rand Paul, the AquaBuddha and weed:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Look...just because the guy got stoned, kidnapped some girl and tried to force her to smoke pot, and then took her down by the river to force her head under the water when he was still a teenager doesn't mean he's an unstable guy...that's just kids letting off some steam.
/

164 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:38:43pm

re: #156 DaddyG

"In addition to serving as chairman of JetBlue’s uniform redesign committee, the LinkedIn entry says, Mr. Slater serves on the airline’s in-flight values committee."

Now that is a 1st class FLOUNCE!!

This is a first class flounce.

165 theheat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:40:04pm

re: #153 Soap_Man

You know what is sad, when creationist's children come home from non-fundie school one day, and tell their parents about whatever they learned in school, that deals with dinosaurs. I distinctly remember some of the contortions the fundie parents went through to explain it, saying how it was all a lie, or how the bones were planted. Some of the fundie parents would get together and have behind-the-door hissy fits, about all the crazy [scientific] ideas public schools were putting in their children's heads.

Some people call it a belief system. I call it the antithesis of reason and the perpetuation of idiocy. I also think forcing a child to deny fact and swallow fundamentalist dogma is its own form of child abuse.

166 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:45:31pm

re: #165 theheat

...forcing a child to deny fact and swallow fundamentalist dogma is its own form of child abuse.

You have your hot dish potlucks we have our fundamentalist dogma feasts. Who is to judge? //

167 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:53:59pm

My main concern with creationism is not that it could send the larger society into a new dark age, though that is not an absolute impossibility. The more immediate concern is that it blights the lives of millions of children who have no choice but to grow up in that insane sub-culture.

Oh, sure, many of them do pretty well, especially by their own oddly materialistic standards: They own prosperous businesses, finish medical school, get jobs with major corporations, etc. Even so, there is a glass ceiling for them in any area of achievement that requires any significant level of insight or creativity. For example, what is it like to be in a technical field and believe that almost all scientists who do the basic research are dupes, criminals, and tools of Satan? This kind of assumption locks them out of any real insight into how progress is achieved, and, hence, from making any kind of genuinely original contribution.

Similarly, it is readily apparent (on creationist websites if nothing else) that these people are easy prey for quack medicine and all manner of other charlatans. If science is so drastically wrong about something as fundamental as the age of the Earth, why could it not be wrong about almost everything else? Is vaccination dangerous? For that matter, is radioactive fallout as dangerous as we have been told? Global warming? Trans-fat?

This mental blight is not limited to the scientific and social realms either. Young creationists who have real talent in art or music can easily be limited by the fear of contributing to a larger culture that is, for them, demonic in nature.

The net result of creationist beliefs is a paranoid and disordered thought process at every level. Their outward functionality is a sham, limited to a narrow band of activities outside of which----well, for them there is no outside.

168 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:56:43pm

re: #163 darthstar

Look...just because the guy got stoned, kidnapped some girl and tried to force her to smoke pot, and then took her down by the river to force her head under the water when he was still a teenager doesn't mean he's an unstable guy...that's just kids letting off some steam.
/

Well, you know, it really is.

I mean, the frat boys at my college did it all the time, and if you read the alumni news these days, you would think they've always been nothing but patres familias.

Shit, I was known for not doing hallucinogens, so guys would hire me to be the designated driver whilst they went on their trips. I'd chauffeur them around the countryside and stop whenever they wanted to space out on the colors.

What I would really like is for one single politician to come forward and say, "Hellz, yeah, dude, I was a roustabout. I mean, me and my frayunds, we invented Spring Break! And thongs. And I hope when my son grows up, he'll follow in my path and know when and how to ask a Christian grrrl to show him her titties."

That would be refreshing.

169 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:57:45pm

re: #167 Shiplord Kirel

The term parasitic comes to mind. They take all the modern world has to offer while seeking to stay firmly entrenched in mysticism and ancient dogma.

170 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:57:52pm

Blessed are the corporate CEOs for they provide us with the industry and wealth that help us to feed our families; to clothe and provide a university education to our children and a comfortable retirement with medical care unparalleled in the industrialized world.

////////////////////

171 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:57:56pm

36 years ago today.

Oh, and it's 8-9-10 today...and at 11:12:13 it will be 8-9-10 11:12:13

172 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:59:33pm

Good afternoon Lizards!
I wonder if Charles is considering a filter that will email posts from selected posters...Let's say reine posts something and I would be notified via email..

173 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:59:41pm

re: #168 Cato the Elder

What I would really like is for one single politician to come forward and say, "Hellz, yeah, dude, I was a roustabout. I mean, me and my frayunds, we invented Spring Break! And thongs. And I hope when my son grows up, he'll follow in my path and know when and how to ask a Christian grrrl to show him her titties."

That would be refreshing.

Don't hold your breath:

We are investigating all our options -- including legal ones. We will not tolerate drive-by journalism by a writer with a leftist agenda.
174 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 2:59:57pm

Blessed is the judiciary because justice is blind and applied equally to all our citizens in this blessed land regardless of class or wealth.

///

175 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:05:27pm

re: #167 Shiplord Kirel

Similarly, it is readily apparent (on creationist websites if nothing else) that these people are easy prey for quack medicine and all manner of other charlatans. If science is so drastically wrong about something as fundamental as the age of the Earth, why could it not be wrong about almost everything else?

Michael Shermer took that journey to its logical conclusion. He was training for RAAM, finding out that the nutrition quackery wasn't working, and turned to science.

Shermer's embrace of scientific skepticism crystallized during his time as a cyclist, explaining, "I became a skeptic on Saturday, August 6, 1983, on the long climbing road to Loveland Pass, Colorado"[13] after months of training under the guidance of a "nutritionist" with an unaccredited Ph.D. After years of practicing acupuncture, chiropractic, massage therapy, negative ions, rolfing, pyramid power, fundamentalist Christianity, and "a host of weird things" (with the exception of drugs) to improve his life and training, Shermer stopped rationalizing the failure of these practices.[14] Shermer would later produce several documentaries on cycling.[12]

Shermer earned his Doctor of Philosophy degree from the Claremont Graduate University in the History of Science in 1991 (with his dissertation titled "Heretic-Scientist: Alfred Russel Wallace and the Evolution of Man: A Study on the Nature of Historical Change").[9] Shermer later based a full-length, 2002 book on his dissertation: In Darwin's Shadow: The Life and Science of Alfred Russel Wallace....

Before starting the Skeptics Society, Shermer was a Professor of the History of Science at Occidental College, California. Since 2007, Shermer has been an adjunct professor in economics at the Claremont Graduate University.[9][15]

176 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:06:20pm

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

It's open-source, like Wikipedia, and I believe a lot of the entries are supposed to have been volunteered by home-schooled teenagers. And God know, it shows.

I think you could easily spoof it and get away with it, and I suspect some people do. The man who invented the Invisible Hand of Marriage, and the Conservative Bible isn't going to notice he's having his ass made fun of.

I have been tempted to get involved with the Conservative Bible project, either as a mocker or a serious translator, just for kicks. Their Hebrew is bad. I can't judge, but Irenicum says their Greek is also bad. I think they're working from a translation already.

Oh yeah. They're still working on that Rambo-Jesus revisionism? Supposedly the alpha-male version with masculine rhetoric. The punchline is that most of those men at Conservapedia are beta-male dweebs prone to being offended at whatever they find challenging to their reptilian minds.

177 freetoken  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:07:22pm

Man charged with dinosaur egg theft

Invercargill police have charged a man for stealing a fossilised dinosaur egg from Otago Museum last week.

The hadrosaur egg, between 145 million to 65 million years old, was noticed missing from the museum's ground-floor shop early last Tuesday.

Two days later, the egg was dropped off to Dunedin central police station in a supermarket shopping bag while the main counter was unattended.

The thief was captured on a surveillance camera at the museum, and on security cameras at the police station.

A 52-year-old Invercargill artist was arrested yesterday and charged with theft.

But wait! Since dinosaurs never existed, then it is impossible for the alleged thief to be guilty of the crime of theft, for the items are mythical!

CREATION JUSTICE NOW!!

178 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:07:42pm

re: #173 wrenchwench

"We are investigating all our options -- including legal ones."

Well of course they are. And I'm investigating a deal for swampland in Florida that Swamprat put me on to, and a bridge in Manhattan recommended by Brookly Red himself.

C'est à rire.

179 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:07:56pm

Here he is again only without the wood screw:

Image: 0.jpg

Rambo man!

180 theheat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:08:22pm

re: #177 freetoken

How about if he's truly guilty, God strikes him down in 3...2...1...

Nope, looks like he's innocent.
//

181 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:09:32pm

Breitbart blogger (and ex-L&O actor) Moriarty: 9-11 and Oklahoma City were inside jobs

He's also frequently featured on Fark. They think he's hilarious.

182 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:09:33pm

re: #176 Gus 802

The punchline is that most of those men at Conservapedia are beta-male dweebs prone to being offended at whatever they find challenging to their reptilian minds.

Hey now. Getting personal there...

183 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:09:41pm

Another one. This one's a "farmer" and macho man as well:

Image: 11689.jpg

You should be able to recognize him.

184 freetoken  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:10:54pm

re: #180 theheat

Well, we could always tie him to a rock and throw him into the river and see if he floats.

185 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:11:01pm

re: #183 Gus 802

Another one. This one's a "farmer" and macho man as well:

Image: 11689.jpg

You should be able to recognize him.

VDH! I was just disparaging him in the Pages!

186 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:11:07pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

Breitbart blogger (and ex-L&O actor) Moriarty: 9-11 and Oklahoma City were inside jobs

He's also frequently featured on Fark. They think he's hilarious.

Hmm. Now why does that remind me of something that happened not so long ago. Van Jones perhaps?

187 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:11:45pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

Breitbart blogger (and ex-L&O actor) Moriarty: 9-11 and Oklahoma City were inside jobs

He's also frequently featured on Fark. They think he's hilarious.

I think he's disturbed.

suggested he'll feel "comfort" when President Obama is killed.

Note, he says "when", not "if"...fucker.

188 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:12:14pm

re: #176 Gus 802

Oh yeah. They're still working on that Rambo-Jesus revisionism? Supposedly the alpha-male version with masculine rhetoric. The punchline is that most of those men at Conservapedia are beta-male dweebs prone to being offended at whatever they find challenging to their reptilian minds.

Be kind.

These are the kind of people who drive big trrrucks trrricked out with all the trrrimmings, including gun racks and a pair of bull balls dangling from the tow ball, which they have no use for but to tow their shitty little flaked-off "Billy the Talking Bass" boats down to their polluted little streams (pollution thanks to the companies they work for) and catch inedible sunfish - all to get away from their Sarah-Palin-with-cellulite fat-ass wives.

Have pity.

189 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:13:40pm

re: #186 Gus 802

Hmm. Now why does that remind me of something that happened not so long ago. Van Jones perhaps?

He also sounds really drunk in those interviews.

190 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:13:47pm

re: #188 Cato the Elder

Be kind.

These are the kind of people who drive big trrrucks trrricked out with all the trrrimmings, including gun racks and a pair of bull balls dangling from the tow ball, which they have no use for but to tow their shitty little flaked-off "Billy the Talking Bass" boats down to their polluted little streams (pollution thanks to the companies they work for) and catch inedible sunfish - all to get away from their Sarah-Palin-with-cellulite fat-ass wives.

Have pity.

I sense an outline for a reality TV program.

191 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:13:51pm

re: #188 Cato the Elder

Be kind.

These are the kind of people who drive big trrrucks trrricked out with all the trrrimmings, including gun racks and a pair of bull balls dangling from the tow ball, which they have no use for but to tow their shitty little flaked-off "Billy the Talking Bass" boats down to their polluted little streams (pollution thanks to the companies they work for) and catch inedible sunfish - all to get away from their Sarah-Palin-with-cellulite fat-ass wives.

Have pity.

My speeder is tricked out with a turbolaser rack...

192 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:15:35pm

re: #178 Cato the Elder

Well of course they are. And I'm investigating a deal for swampland in Florida that Swamprat put me on to, and a bridge in Manhattan recommended by Brookly Red himself.

C'est à rire.

Or, as seen on Twitter:

RT @mattklewis: @FixAaron @daveweigel "legal options" sounds much better than "second amendment remedies"...
193 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:16:20pm

Testing...

194 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:16:55pm

re: #189 Killgore Trout

He also sounds really drunk in those interviews.

I'm listening to it now. God, these people are crazy.

195 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:17:10pm

ZOMGMICHAELWTFMORIARTYROFL: "The Clintons and the Obamas have ruled American infanticide for two decades.They intend to expand the use of death as a solution to the problems and challenges of a Progressive New World Order"

196 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:17:11pm

re: #191 Varek Raith

My speeder is tricked out with a turbolaser rack...

And yet you drag your sorry ass back from the cantina every night hoping Beru won't catch you with synthahol on your breath and make you sleep in the shed next to the oil bath and the T-16 you have on blocks.

197 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:17:23pm

re: #188 Cato the Elder

Be kind.

These are the kind of people who drive big trrrucks trrricked out with all the trrrimmings, including gun racks and a pair of bull balls dangling from the tow ball, which they have no use for but to tow their shitty little flaked-off "Billy the Talking Bass" boats down to their polluted little streams (pollution thanks to the companies they work for) and catch inedible sunfish - all to get away from their Sarah-Palin-with-cellulite fat-ass wives.

Have pity.

Thems called Truck Nuts round these parts.......

198 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:17:56pm

Dang it! I'm sorry I missed the downding of General Sherman calling Mike Lupica a joke. One of the most respected sports writers in America...
Dang it!

199 freetoken  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:18:21pm

Speaking of creationism, in yet another Florida school district race, one of the candidates has this to say about the question "Should schools teach creationism in science?":

"I believe that a student should have a choice. … For students going in as creationists, if they don't want to study evolution, there should be other options for them."

And if another student doesn't want to study germ theory, they should be study what? And if another student doesn't want to study the civil war, then what should they study?

Fortunately 3 out of the 5 candidates seem to have their head screwed on straight, but the other 2... well, they represent a large number of people in this country and thus we will always have this issue with which to contend.

200 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:19:00pm

re: #197 tnguitarist

Thems called Truck Nuts round these parts...

So that's what the "tn" is for.

201 deranged cat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:19:13pm

re: #193 Charles

testing the reply? (testing!)

202 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:19:22pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

ZOMGMICHAELWTFMORIARTYROFL: "The Clintons and the Obamas have ruled American infanticide for two decades.They intend to expand the use of death as a solution to the problems and challenges of a Progressive New World Order"

This pic makes more sense than that...
Image: Cat_firing_lazer.jpg

203 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:19:51pm

re: #199 freetoken

Speaking of creationism, in yet another Florida school district race, one of the candidates has this to say about the question "Should schools teach creationism in science?":


And if another student doesn't want to study germ theory, they should be study what? And if another student doesn't want to study the civil war, then what should they study?

Fortunately 3 out of the 5 candidates seem to have their head screwed on straight, but the other 2... well, they represent a large number of people in this country and thus we will always have this issue with which to contend.

You know what, fuck algebra, I don't think I should study anything those Muslims invented anyways!

///

204 Kragar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:21:15pm

re: #202 Varek Raith

This pic makes more sense than that...
Image: Cat_firing_lazer.jpg

Image: watermelon-cat.jpg

205 freetoken  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:21:55pm

re: #203 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You know what, fuck algebra, I don't think I should study anything those Muslims invented anyways!

///

Heh, certainly many students would opt out of math!

BTW, the candidate, John Tracy, who gave that response:

Music pastor at Hillside Baptist Church in Carrollwood, Tracy, 31, is president of the Pasco County Faith and Family Values Republican Club and a member of the Pasco Republican Executive Committee. He also is a member of the Marco Rubio for U.S. Senate campaign team.

He also graduated from ... Bob Jones U!

206 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:22:18pm

re: #190 Gus 802

I sense an outline for a reality TV program.

"Palindrones"?

Nah. Too clever.

207 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:23:09pm

re: #206 Cato the Elder

"Palindrones"?

Nah. Too clever.

The Real Housewives Husbands of New York City Texas

208 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:23:34pm

re: #188 Cato the Elder

Be kind.

These are the kind of people who drive big trrrucks trrricked out with all the trrrimmings, including gun racks and a pair of bull balls dangling from the tow ball, which they have no use for but to tow their shitty little flaked-off "Billy the Talking Bass" boats down to their polluted little streams (pollution thanks to the companies they work for) and catch inedible sunfish - all to get away from their Sarah-Palin-with-cellulite fat-ass wives.

Have pity.

Excellent encapsulation of the stereotypical urban lib snotnosed disdain and hatred for their fellow countrymen.

209 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:24:29pm

re: #202 Varek Raith

This pic makes more sense than that...
Image: Cat_firing_lazer.jpg

Made me think of this:

Image: 0.jpg

210 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:24:59pm

re: #208 Spare O'Lake

Excellent encapsulation of the stereotypical urban lib snotnosed disdain and hatred for their fellow countrymen.

Shouldn't you be clinging to something?

211 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:25:22pm

re: #210 darthstar

Diet-pepsi-nose, thanks.

212 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:26:24pm

re: #210 darthstar

Shouldn't you be clinging to something?

I'm cling to the A/C unit in Oklahoma....

213 theheat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:26:24pm

re: #199 freetoken

Gotta keep doubling up on the stupid. I looked at some interesting statistics posted at different places over the past month. Texas, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Tennessee, Florida, Kentucky, S.C. - all came up ranking highly in this country for illiteracy. Several overlapped as the highest obesity in the country. Several more overlapped as the most religious.

Just sayin'.

214 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:27:01pm

re: #208 Spare O'Lake

Excellent encapsulation of the stereotypical suburban con snotnosed disdain and hatred for their fellow countrymen.

215 freetoken  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:27:29pm

re: #213 theheat

Yeah, but Iowa tends to be at the top of the literacy charts yet the GOP in that state are as hard core theocrats as anywhere else.

216 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:28:38pm

re: #208 Spare O'Lake

Excellent encapsulation of the stereotypical urban lib snotnosed disdain and hatred for their fellow countrymen.

Well. There's always Ontario.

217 freetoken  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:30:24pm

Since we're talking about creationists etc., here is a court decision from last week that has flown under the radar so far:

BOARDLEY v. U.S. DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR

Opinion for the court filed by Circuit Judge BROWN.

BROWN, Circuit Judge:

It is unlawful to engage in expressive activities within any of this country's 391 national parks unless a park official first issues a permit authorizing the activity. Michael Boardley argues this licensing scheme is overbroad and therefore unconstitutional on its face. We agree. The regulations in their current form are antithetical to the core First Amendment principle that restrictions on free speech in a public forum may be valid only if narrowly tailored. Because these regulations penalize a substantial amount of speech that does not impinge on the government's interests, we find them overbroad and therefore reverse the district court.

[...]

In 2007, appellant Michael Boardley and some associates attempted to distribute free tracts discussing the Gospel of Jesus Christ within a "free speech area" of Mount Rushmore National Memorial. A park ranger stopped them because they lacked a permit. Boardley returned home, requested a permit by phone, but never received a permit or an application. He then filed this action, seeking a declaration that the NPS regulations are unconstitutional and violative of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA), 42 U.S.C. § 2000bb-1, on their face and as applied to him.[ 2 ] Shortly thereafter, he received the permit he had requested.

The district court dismissed Boardley's as-applied claims on grounds of mootness and failure to state a claim. Boardley v. U.S. Dep't of Interior, 605 F. Supp. 2d 8, 13-14 (D.D.C. 2009). We summarily affirmed the dismissal of these as-applied challenges. Boardley v. U.S. Dep't of Interior, Nos. 09-5176, 09-5186, 2009 WL 3571278, at *1 (D.C. Cir. Oct. 19, 2009) (per curiam).

However, the district court agreed with Boardley that 36 C.F.R. § 2.51(a) was facially unconstitutional to the extent that it required park visitors to obtain a permit before engaging in "other public expressions of views."

The bottom line is, it now appears as if, when we visit national parks, we can look forward to Jack Chick tracts everywhere!

I guess this is a victory for the First Amendment, and a loss for aesthetics.

218 theheat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:31:09pm

re: #215 freetoken

In all fairness, each state was taken down by how many cities within the state tested poorly for literacy. That didn't indicate the entire state tested illiterate, but there was a recurrence of piss poor literacy scores in certain locations. Texas, for example, had two cities (Houston and San Antonio, IIRC) test very poorly.

219 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:31:31pm

re: #208 Spare O'Lake

Excellent encapsulation of the stereotypical urban lib snotnosed disdain and hatred for their fellow countrymen.

I was born and raised to the age of six in rural Michigan, and went there for vacations with my grandfolks until they died.

My town is urban, but my college was in the countryside of (gasp!) Massachusetts, where the hillbillies are wilder than anything you might meet in Montana.

I spent ten years in Germany, in small towns and villages, and know how to cuss out Sarah Palin and her idiot followers in thirteen dialects and 21 languages.

And you want to tell me that I hate my fellow countrymen?

No. I just hate the incurably stupid, like you.

I've known Bavarian peasants who were readier to learn in their old age.

220 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:32:45pm

re: #219 Cato the Elder

I was born and raised to the age of six in rural Michigan, and went there for vacations with my grandfolks until they died.

My town is urban, but my college was in the countryside of (gasp!) Massachusetts, where the hillbillies are wilder than anything you might meet in Montana.

I spent ten years in Germany, in small towns and villages, and know how to cuss out Sarah Palin and her idiot followers in thirteen dialects and 21 languages.

And you want to tell me that I hate my fellow countrymen?

No. I just hate the incurably stupid, like you.

I've known Bavarian peasants who were readier to learn in their old age.

*Varek chuckles from his Ivory Tower of Disdain and Hatred*

221 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:33:13pm

re: #220 Varek Raith

*Varek chuckles from his Ivory Tower of Disdain and Hatred*

Would you care for some more champagne?

222 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:33:57pm

re: #221 Gus 802

Would you care for some more champagne?

Indeed.

223 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:34:40pm

re: #221 Gus 802

Would you care for some more champagne?

Fine with me. And do not trifle with my truffles, or rifle through my ruffles...

224 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:34:41pm

re: #221 Gus 802

Would you care for some more champagne?

Kristol please..And be snappy with it
/

225 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:34:54pm

re: #221 Gus 802

re: #222 Varek Raith

Could you let some of that trickle down to me?

226 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:35:44pm

re: #208 Spare O'Lake

Excellent encapsulation of the stereotypical urban lib snotnosed disdain and hatred for their fellow countrymen.

The fist of the Obama nation is being jammed deeply into the anus of our discontent!

227 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:36:12pm

re: #225 tnguitarist

re: #222 Varek Raith

Could you let some of that trickle down to me?

Down his leg, maybe. Arrogant elitist hater of his kind that he is.

228 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:36:54pm

re: #227 Cato the Elder

Down his leg, maybe. Arrogant elitist hater of his kind that he is.

That's me! From now on I would like to be called Gustavo.

229 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:37:21pm

So much for logging on for a few relaxing moments prior to dinner

.

230 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:37:37pm

re: #228 Gus 802

That's me! From now on I would like to be called Gustavo.

Gustavus..for the rest of us!

231 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:37:42pm

re: #229 sattv4u2

So much for logging on for a few relaxing moments prior to dinner

.

You've come to the wrong place, brother.

232 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:38:16pm

re: #227 Cato the Elder

Down his leg, maybe. Arrogant elitist hater of his kind that he is.

That's why they call us peons, I guess.

233 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:38:19pm

re: #229 sattv4u2

So much for logging on for a few relaxing moments prior to dinner

.

Smithers, release the hounds.

234 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:38:24pm

re: #163 darthstar

Look...just because the guy got stoned, kidnapped some girl and tried to force her to smoke pot, and then took her down by the river to force her head under the water when he was still a teenager doesn't mean he's an unstable guy...that's just kids letting off some steam.
/

if you have to force someone to smoke pot, you're doing it wrong, hahaha

Does Rand Paul have aspergers or something? Who does that?

235 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:38:53pm

re: #231 windsagio

You've come to the wrong place, brother.

depends on the subject matter/ thread occupants at the time!

236 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:38:55pm

re: #230 talon_262

Gustavus..for the rest of us!

Now we must follow by the airing of grievances!

237 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:39:09pm

I tried to build an ivory tower from which to glare down upon my minions, but there aren't enough elephants.

238 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:39:13pm

re: #233 Varek Raith

Smithers, release the hounds.

THE DOGS?!?! WITH BEES IN THEIR MOUTH SO WHEN THEY BARK THEY SHOOT BEES AT YOU?!?!

239 drcordell  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:39:44pm

Really bummed out about both the ADL and Wiesenthal center coming out against the Cordoba Center / "Ground Zero Mosque" whatever you want to call it. Just can't wrap my head around why they feel the need to stake out a position so antithetical to their core values.

240 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:39:49pm

re: #237 Fozzie Bear

I tried to build an ivory tower from which to glare down upon my minions, but there aren't enough elephants.

I'm going to build an ivory minaret.

241 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:40:01pm

re: #234 WindUpBird

if you have to force someone to smoke pot, you're doing it wrong, hahaha

Does Rand Paul have aspergers or something? Who does that?

Shotgun!

242 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:40:02pm

re: #190 Gus 802

I sense an outline for a reality TV program.

Palien Nation

243 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:40:12pm

re: #236 Gus 802

Now we must follow by the airing of grievances!

That seems to be a daily occurrence at LGF ;-P

244 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:40:23pm

re: #239 drcordell

ADL pulled back I think.

You know how it is >>

245 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:40:33pm

re: #236 Gus 802

Now we must follow by the airing of grievances!

and feats of strength

get me the aluminum pole!

246 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:40:52pm

re: #242 WindUpBird

Palien Nation

The First Dudes of Alaska

247 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:41:03pm

re: #240 Gus 802

I'm going to build an ivory minaret.

Oooo very edgy. I like it.

248 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:41:16pm

re: #243 talon_262

Change always comes with some discontent :D

249 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:42:01pm

re: #243 talon_262

That seems to be a daily occurrence at LGF ;-P

and as I RAINED BLOWS UPON HIM...I realized there had to be another way!

250 drcordell  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:42:10pm

re: #244 windsagio

ADL pulled back I think.

You know how it is >>

They did? If that's true I'm very glad to hear it. Do you have a link?

251 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:42:11pm

A random comment from Fark.com

I went to a party last saturday night.

The Devil and his dark angels are coming for us all, America!

My wife brought potato salad, I brought some beer and swim trunks.

That baby your sister aborted is crying tears of blood into the cold dirt.

I like my new Toyota Avalon. Its roomy. You like the color?

That is the color of the ashes of our burning Babylon.

Babylon. Isn't that Obama's real name? He doesn't play skeeball anymore. While America slept, skeeball was aborted. I have a rash, I was gardening last night and must have gotten into some poison ivy. Ivy Leage. Isn't that where Clinton and Obama aborted Jesus?

You know it is.

Caramel is my favorite ice cream topping. I hate sprinkles.

I think it sums it all up very nicely.

252 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:42:51pm

re: #250 drcordell

Not now, it was discussed in length somewhere around here a while ago, you know how it is >>

was a rocky subject :p

253 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:42:55pm

re: #248 windsagio

Change always comes with some discontent :D

Made glorious summer by this son of Malcom X!!11ty

//

254 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:43:04pm

Yowza. This thing is working.

255 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:43:30pm

re: #249 WindUpBird

and as I RAINED BLOWS UPON HIM...I realized there had to be another way!

"What happened to the doll?"
Frank Costanza: "It was destroyed. But out of that a new holiday was born: a Festivus for the rest of us!"
Kramer: "That must have been some kind of doll."
Frank Costanza: "She was."

256 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:43:44pm

re: #240 Gus 802

I'm going to build an ivory minaret.

I'm going to climb it and survey the landscape before diving off it into a giant hay bale

THEY CALL IT A CRUSADE! A CRUSADE FOR WHAT?!?!

257 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:43:57pm

re: #254 Charles

Yowza. This thing is working.

Go go gadget somethingorother!

258 drcordell  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:44:18pm

re: #252 windsagio

Not now, it was discussed in length somewhere around here a while ago, you know how it is >>

was a rocky subject :p

Yeah I can only imagine. Ever since I took my new job I'm on a trading desk and have no freedom to pop into LGF during the day.

259 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:44:47pm

re: #258 drcordell

Your icon is dated btw, might wanna update :p

260 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:44:47pm

re: #258 drcordell

Yeah I can only imagine. Ever since I took my new job I'm on a trading desk and have no freedom to pop into LGF during the day.

you adults with your real jobs

261 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:45:06pm

re: #219 Cato the Elder

I was born and raised to the age of six in rural Michigan, and went there for vacations with my grandfolks until they died.

My town is urban, but my college was in the countryside of (gasp!) Massachusetts, where the hillbillies are wilder than anything you might meet in Montana.

I spent ten years in Germany, in small towns and villages, and know how to cuss out Sarah Palin and her idiot followers in thirteen dialects and 21 languages.

And you want to tell me that I hate my fellow countrymen?

No. I just hate the incurably stupid, like you.

I've known Bavarian peasants who were readier to learn in their old age.

Actually I was praising your colourful little caricature, which I did not realize actually represented your true feelings until just now.
Your hate is exquisite.

262 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:45:33pm

re: #261 Spare O'Lake

lol you are such a dishonest little man, it's staggering.

263 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:46:57pm

re: #216 Gus 802

Well. There's always Ontario.

Up here the slickers love and envy the hicks.

264 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:47:40pm

re: #261 Spare O'Lake

Actually I was praising your colourful little caricature, which I did not realize actually represented your true feelings until just now.
Your hate is exquisite.

Is it because he insulted Sister Sarah, or because your truck also has testicles?

265 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:47:54pm

re: #261 Spare O'Lake

Actually I was praising your colourful little caricature, which I did not realize actually represented your true feelings until just now.
Your hate is exquisite.


Your gossamer tears, they are like the sweetest liquer as I run it over my tongue taking a sip in between typing artificially concerned missives on the internet

266 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:48:45pm

re: #265 WindUpBird

feeling poetic, I see.

Artists.

267 drcordell  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:50:02pm

re: #260 WindUpBird

you adults with your real jobs

Only planning on working for the man long enough to stack up a decent pile of cash, then it's time to work for myself. I'd love to own a custard stand here in NYC, just need the capital.

268 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:50:35pm

re: #267 drcordell

Custard?!

I hope that's code for something :D

269 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:50:45pm

re: #226 Fozzie Bear

The fist of the Obama nation is being jammed deeply into the anus of our discontent!

That's very fitting for you.

270 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:50:50pm

re: #264 Fozzie Bear

Is it because he insulted Sister Sarah, or because your truck also has testicles?

I'm so glad I don't live anywhere where there are an abundance of truckballz. I think I see one of those a month.

OH MAN I GOTS ME AN F350 I TOTALLY NEVER USE TO HAUL ANYTHING I ROCK THIS BODY ON FRAME CHASSIS, FAT DUALIES, HORRIBLE HANDLING AND ENORMOUS CURB WEIGHT BUT I DO LOVE AMERICA ALSO I DONT EVER CHECK MY BLIND SPOTS BECAUSE ALL YOU HIPPIES DONE BETTER GIT OUTTA MAH WAY

271 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:51:15pm

re: #267 drcordell

Only planning on working for the man long enough to stack up a decent pile of cash, then it's time to work for myself. I'd love to own a custard stand here in NYC, just need the capital.

Working for yourself rules, I highly recommend it :D

272 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:51:42pm

re: #270 WindUpBird

OH MAN I GOTS ME AN F350 I TOTALLY NEVER USE TO HAUL ANYTHING

THIS!

I hate faker truck owners.

273 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:52:05pm

re: #265 WindUpBird

Your gossamer tears, they are like the sweetest liquer as I run it over my tongue taking a sip in between typing artificially concerned missives on the internet

Not bad, but please learn to spell. Liqueur.

274 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:52:31pm

re: #266 windsagio

feeling poetic, I see.

Artists.

From the decanter of my ire, I fill the snifter glass of my sneering contempt

275 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:52:44pm

re: #268 windsagio

Custard?!

I hope that's code for something :D

In general, it is

276 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:52:57pm

re: #262 windsagio

*flick*

277 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:52:58pm

re: #269 Spare O'Lake

That's very fitting for you.

It's a bit of a tight fit honestly but the elasticity of the human body is not to be underestimated.

OH WAIT I GET IT YOU'RE SAYING I'M GAY HURR HURR

278 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:53:03pm

re: #273 Spare O'Lake

Not bad, but please learn to spell. Liqueur.

What do you want from me, I'm typing in a dark room with the keyboard half underneath my tablet

279 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:53:28pm

re: #272 windsagio

THIS!

I hate faker truck owners.

Exactly. To most, it's a glorified trunk. Especially when they put a cover on it. I use my truck, damnit.

280 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:53:46pm

re: #278 WindUpBird

What do you want from me, I'm typing in a dark room with the keyboard half underneath my tablet

No cats?

281 allegro  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:54:07pm

re: #276 Spare O'Lake

*flick*

Just speaking as an observer, but you might wanna stop now. You are entirely outclassed.

282 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:54:14pm

re: #280 wrenchwench

No cats?

What do you think is holding up the tablet!?

283 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:54:24pm

It's a way to use as much gasoline as humanly possible while getting 2 small bags of groceries and placing them in the passenger compartment, so as not to scuff or mar one's perfectly maintained bed liner.

284 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:54:42pm

re: #281 allegro

Just speaking as an observer, but you might wanna stop now. You are entirely outclassed.

Could be, but notice he/she's not the one getting called names!

285 Nimed  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:54:45pm

re: #262 windsagio

lol you are such a dishonest little man, it's staggering.

Don't go too hard on Spare, you'll scare him away. You'll be surprised how one can miss the light trolling.

286 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:54:59pm

re: #279 tnguitarist

Altho I admit I drove my parent's boat-hauling truck for a while in HS, something satisfying about a truck with a ram prow on it >>

Everybody loves a working man, but you're not more like your heros from the Redneck Comedy Tour by owning a truck.

287 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:55:00pm

re: #272 windsagio

THIS!

I hate faker truck owners.

The chromed out lifted truck scourge, those are Hillsboro residents right there

The biggest BIGGEST! LOLs come when it snows here and truckasaurusdouche is being outmaneuvered by Subie WRXes and Volvo V70s all over the place.

288 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:55:01pm

re: #272 windsagio

THIS!

I hate faker truck owners.

A friend of mine, Danny went to aussieland and Fed-EX'd me a pair of Kangaroo balls in a pouch..I have some sick friends..

289 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:55:28pm

re: #281 allegro

re: #284 sattv4u2

Could be, but notice he/she's not the one getting calleding others names!

pimf

290 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:55:28pm

re: #285 Nimed

We'll always have Steve!

291 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:55:31pm

re: #280 wrenchwench

No cats?

They're here, actually one's looking at me with her big crazy rex eyes O_O

292 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:56:34pm

re: #286 windsagio

Altho I admit I drove my parent's boat-hauling truck for a while in HS, something satisfying about a truck with a ram prow on it >>

Everybody loves a working man, but you're not more like your heros from the Redneck Comedy Tour by owning a truck.

I build furniture and run a farm with my father-in-law. Mine gets used plenty.

293 drcordell  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:56:57pm

re: #275 sattv4u2

In general, it is

Huh?

294 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:57:01pm

re: #261 Spare O'Lake

Actually I was praising your colourful little caricature, which I did not realize actually represented your true feelings until just now.
Your hate is exquisite.

You have not ever seen me hate.

295 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:57:13pm

re: #292 tnguitarist

oh yeah, no accusation intended. You totally know the type tho :D

Another good hint: If the truck is nicely waxed and shiny, something is wrong.

296 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:57:20pm

re: #279 tnguitarist

Exactly. To most, it's a glorified trunk. Especially when they put a cover on it. I use my truck, damnit.

I'd probably be most likely to buy some sort of el-caminoized thing like a Subie Baja, I just don't haul anything that huge that won't fit in my 850

They were so close to bringing out the Pontiac G8 GT ute. 350hp brand new el camino. So close!

297 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:58:06pm

re: #292 tnguitarist

I build furniture and run a farm with my father-in-law. Mine gets used plenty.

You're the real truck guy :D

Like the real SUV guy, is usually the dude who lives on mt. hood on unpaved roads and drives a beater Cherokee :D

298 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:58:10pm

re: #293 drcordell

Huh?

{sigh}

Play on words.

Custard ,, Stand , GENERAL!!

299 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:58:47pm

re: #295 windsagio

oh yeah, no accusation intended. You totally know the type tho :D

Another good hint: If the truck is nicely waxed and shiny, something is wrong.

I knew you weren't going at me. My dad is one of those people. I told him to buy an suv and be done with it. My trunk has paint missing where the horses chewed it off.

300 Nimed  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:58:49pm

If you don't hate me by now
You will never never never hate me (No you won't)

301 allegro  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:59:27pm

In defense of non-farm truck owners... my late hubby was an ex-pro football player. Big guy, joints entirely fucked up from getting slammed daily on the field for years. He couldn't fit well in a small car (he was 6'6") and his back and knee problems prevented him from getting in and out very well anyway. We didn't want a big, expensive SUV - didn't need it - so we got him a F150 that he could get in and out of easily and it was much more economical to drive.

302 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:59:32pm

re: #300 Nimed

We should have a hater competition some day, see who comes out on top >>

303 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:59:39pm

re: #300 Nimed

If you don't hate me by now
You will never never never hate me (No you won't)

When someone says that I hate them, I tell them
"I don't care enough about you to hate you"

304 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:59:47pm

I'm almost ready to turn this new feature loose.

305 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:59:57pm

re: #295 windsagio

oh yeah, no accusation intended. You totally know the type tho :D

Another good hint: If the truck is nicely waxed and shiny, something is wrong.

I saw a pretty great GMC Suburban the other day, it's the first time I've ever been jealous of a Subruban. it had a tow crane mounted to it. A GIANT TOW CRANE. And auxillary fuel jerry cans. And a winch, and one of those cage racks on the top that you'd see on safari on Range Rovers. And it was beat to hell and the wheels were flat black. That guy had a good reason to own that thing.

306 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:00:02pm

re: #296 WindUpBird

I'd probably be most likely to buy some sort of el-caminoized thing like a Subie Baja, I just don't haul anything that huge that won't fit in my 850

They were so close to bringing out the Pontiac G8 GT ute. 350hp brand new el camino. So close!

Image: 38007260084_large.jpg

307 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:00:25pm

re: #294 Cato the Elder

You have not ever seen me hate.

You're about as scary as Dancing Dick from Lansing Mick.

308 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:00:46pm

re: #302 windsagio

We should have a hater competition some day, see who comes out on top >>

[Link: www.comedycentral.com...]

309 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:01:05pm

re: #303 sattv4u2

Don't know about you personally, but people who say that are usually lying. Its about on line with "I'm not angry, I'm amused at your foolishness!"

/trust the internet guru.

310 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:01:10pm

re: #299 tnguitarist

I knew you weren't going at me. My dad is one of those people. I told him to buy an suv and be done with it. My trunk has paint missing where the horses chewed it off.

The only SUV I really want is the ludicrous V10 Touraeg, and that's only if I'm towing a camper trailer to burning man. 550 lt lbs of torque, good lord

311 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:01:41pm

re: #307 Spare O'Lake

Seriously spare, I'm about 50x more obnoxious on accident than you are by trying >>

312 Nimed  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:01:52pm

re: #303 sattv4u2

When someone says that I hate them, I tell them
"I don't care enough about you to hate you"

Never figured you were the heartbreaking type.

313 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:02:12pm

re: #297 WindUpBird

You're the real truck guy :D

Like the real SUV guy, is usually the dude who lives on mt. hood on unpaved roads and drives a beater Cherokee :D

You see all kinds around here that have 4wd's jacked so high you could walk under them and not one damn scratch on the paint. Real farmers have flatbeds, anyway.

314 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:02:50pm

Okay, folks...only about 15 minutes before I blow this popsicle stand and head up to the ballpark. Cubs @ Giants. Jerry Garcia bobblehead night! Phil Lesh and Bob Weir singing the national Anthem. Mickey Hart doing the 7th inning stretch. Dead-cover band Cryptical playing in triples alley before the game. I've got my dead world cup shirt, my SYF hat (looks like this shirt), and I'm ready to go get my groove on for a few innings.

Play nice. I'll take pics and post, of course.

315 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:03:08pm

re: #301 allegro

In defense of non-farm truck owners... my late hubby was an ex-pro football player. Big guy, joints entirely fucked up from getting slammed daily on the field for years. He couldn't fit well in a small car (he was 6'6") and his back and knee problems prevented him from getting in and out very well anyway. We didn't want a big, expensive SUV - didn't need it - so we got him a F150 that he could get in and out of easily and it was much more economical to drive.

F150s are cool, they're not land goliaths. Same with Rangers. it's the monstrous superduty F350s that people drive poorly that fill me with rage.

I am also filled with rage at douchey BMW drivers (usually M3 guys!) who blow lights and cut people off, trucks can't have all the ire :D

Though the best small car for giant people I've ever seen is the Honda Element. I know a dude who's 7' tall and a long torso for 7' tall and very very overeweight, and he says that Element is a better fit for him than a Hummer H2.

316 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:04:09pm

re: #309 windsagio

Don't know about you personally, but people who say that are usually lying. Its about on line with "I'm not angry, I'm amused at your foolishness!"

/trust the internet guru.

You were doing well up till that point

Post that, not so much!

317 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:04:26pm

re: #313 tnguitarist

You see all kinds around here that have 4wd's jacked so high you could walk under them and not one damn scratch on the paint. Real farmers have flatbeds, anyway.

The large car I want is a van conversion. preferably a 70's one, with gremlins and wizards airbrushed on the side, with shag carpeting and captains chairs. and then take my friends on road trips :D

318 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:04:33pm

re: #316 sattv4u2

dammit ,, TAKE 2

319 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:04:59pm

re: #309 windsagio

Don't know about you personally, but people who say that are usually lying. Its about on line with "I'm not angry, I'm amused at your foolishness!"

/trust the internet guru.


You were doing well up till that point

Post that, not so much!

320 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:05:02pm

re: #318 sattv4u2

heh trying to parse that with the tags fixed

321 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:05:06pm

re: #1 windsagio

Note, be award of checking it on really lively threads, unless you're interested in getting approximately 1.5 million Emails a day :)

Or if you don't want Windy in your head 24 hours a day.

322 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:05:38pm

re: #321 Walter L. Newton

But who wouldn't want that?!

323 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:06:08pm

re: #322 windsagio

But who wouldn't want that?!

Anyone this side of the grass!!

:)

324 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:06:08pm

Sometimes a pick-up truck is just another fashion accessory.

325 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:06:40pm

re: #317 WindUpBird

The large car I want is a van conversion. preferably a 70's one, with gremlins and wizards airbrushed on the side, with shag carpeting and captains chairs. and then take my friends on road trips :D

My uncle owned one back in the day. Gotta have the bubble windows on the side.

326 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:06:53pm

OK off for a bit, but since Walter just stopped by;
Great Video for you


327 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:07:00pm

re: #325 tnguitarist

My uncle owned one back in the day. Gotta have the bubble windows on the side.


Oh heavens yes

328 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:07:08pm

re: #324 Gus 802

Sometimes a pick-up truck is just another fashion accessory.

That can be said for any car.

329 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:07:50pm

re: #328 tnguitarist

That can be said for any car.

Yeah. But since we were talking about pick-ups...

330 allegro  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:08:18pm

re: #328 tnguitarist

That can be said for any car.

If that's the case, I see a lot of lovers of shabby chic on the road.

331 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:08:19pm

re: #321 Walter L. Newton

Walter

You have any more of those baubles you can hang on a book bag like the one you sent? My son starts school tomorrow and he'll tell his friends that we can get more if they want them

332 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:09:12pm

re: #315 WindUpBird

Though the best small car for giant people I've ever seen is the Honda Element. I know a dude who's 7' tall and a long torso for 7' tall and very very overeweight, and he says that Element is a better fit for him than a Hummer H2.

I sat in a VW GTI at a car show last year and thought the car was like the tents in Harry Potter, seemed gigantic inside for such a small car.

333 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:10:06pm

re: #330 allegro

If that's the case, I see a lot of lovers of shabby chic on the road.

We've all been there. My old Sunbird had a pair of vice-grips for the window handle.

334 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:10:07pm

re: #311 windsagio

Seriously spare, I'm about 50x more obnoxious on accident than you are by trying >>

C'mon now, don't be so modest, I admit that you are infinitely more obnoxious than I.

335 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:10:41pm

re: #328 tnguitarist

That can be said for any car.

it is true ^_^;;;

My thing with the big trucks is I think they're pretty dangerous to other cars on the road, too lifted and your bumpers are not doing they're job, they're going over the crumble zones in a t-bone and taking out the other car's occupants. And they're double the weight of a passenger car, and they're difficult to control. I heard a story about some dick in a F350 who was behind a guy in an Elise (this was on a Lotus forum) at a long light, and then when it turned green, truck guy just started up, and hit the Elise, almost driving over the top of it, because his truck was so high that there was a CAR SIZED BLIND SPOT IN FRONT OF HIM.

336 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:11:00pm

re: #330 allegro

If that's the case, I see a lot of lovers of shabby chic on the road.

there are many lovers of the old Volvo 240 wagon in my town

337 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:11:39pm

Hey honcos

338 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:12:39pm

re: #332 ArchangelMichael

I sat in a VW GTI at a car show last year and thought the car was like the tents in Harry Potter, seemed gigantic inside for such a small car.

That's why I like mine! It has real back seats, quite comfortable, I've ridden in the back of my car on road trips when I was too tired to drive, it's great.

339 allegro  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:12:54pm

re: #333 tnguitarist

We've all been there. My old Sunbird had a pair of vice-grips for the window handle.

In my poor, post-grad days I drove an old Datsun B210 with a great little engine but the rest of the car... not so much. I was driving a co-worked to get his car from the shop one day and he seemed a little nervous about getting in the car. I assured him he was perfectly safe. Along the way, one of the windshield wipers flew off the car as soon as I turned it on and one of the stereo speaker fell outa the door onto his foot. LOL

340 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:13:07pm

re: #335 WindUpBird

Mine's just a regular ole Chevy Silverado. We use the flatbed and my FIL's 4wd for farm work and they're never on the road unless we're pulling a trailer. And neither one of those are monstrosities.

341 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:13:08pm

re: #307 Spare O'Lake

You're about as scary as Dancing Dick from Lansing Mick.

Who said that I would try to scare you?
I've only ever tried to Spare You.

342 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:13:17pm

re: #337 Alouette

Hey honcos

I bet half the people here now don't even know what that means, where its from, or why it's hilarious.

343 Gus  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:13:28pm

Gotta go! Major thunder!

344 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:13:54pm

re: #326 windsagio

OK off for a bit, but since Walter just stopped by;
Great Video for you

[Video]

You didn't tell me WindupBird costarred in a vedeo... neat :)

345 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:14:18pm

re: #339 allegro

We had a blue B210 when I was a kid. Man, the gas mileage that thing could get....

346 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:14:27pm

British road test of a ford F150 lightning.......


347 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:14:41pm

re: #344 Walter L. Newton

You didn't tell me WindupBird costarred in a vedeo... neat :)

haha and the album that's on is one of my favorites of all time

348 palomino  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:14:54pm

George W Bush spoke with moral clarity and sensitivity about Muslims in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. He helped calm a lot of fears, and probably helped prevent our justifiable anger from bubbling over.

Maybe I'm naive or overly optimistic, but I think he could help again with respect to the current anti-Muslim hysteria over Cordoba House. "A Task for George W Bush"

349 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:16:54pm

Well, I'm going next store to the Hotel to Jason's Deli.. They have perhaps the biggest Salad bar I have ever seen..It is huge! I figure in about 45 minutes the owner with confront me....You eat too much!
All you can eat right?
You eat too much! I go broke!
I haven't even tried the soups yet
You eat too much! You go now!
Mind bringing me more crackers?
You eat too much!
Can I get a to go plate?
*faints*

350 allegro  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:16:59pm

re: #345 tnguitarist

We had a blue B210 when I was a kid. Man, the gas mileage that thing could get...

No kidding! It would take a serious amount of abuse as well. I drove it care free for ten years before someone told me I needed to get oil changes every now and then.

351 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:17:52pm

re: #346 wozzablog

OH GOD THE TOP GEAR LIGHTNING REVIEW

SO. Funny.

"There's only one problem! IT'S RUBBISH."

352 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:18:14pm

re: #350 allegro

No kidding! It would take a serious amount of abuse as well. I drove it care free for ten years before someone told me I needed to get oil changes every now and then.

Fond memories. I learned to drive a stick on that car.

353 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:19:15pm

re: #348 palomino

George W Bush spoke with moral clarity and sensitivity about Muslims in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. He helped calm a lot of fears, and probably helped prevent our justifiable anger from bubbling over.

Maybe I'm naive or overly optimistic, but I think he could help again with respect to the current anti-Muslim hysteria over Cordoba House. "A Task for George W Bush"

Considering how the left has been blaming him for every negative thing that has happened to the current administration, from the economy to the stopped up plumbing in the White House, if I was Bush, I'd keep my fucking mouth shut. I wouldn't step in the middle of that shit storm if they paid me, why should Bush put his ass on the line just to me mocked.

Bullshit suggestion. What's the matter, ran out of other things to bash Bush for?

354 allegro  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:20:43pm

re: #353 Walter L. Newton

What's the matter, ran out of other things to bash Bush for?

Did we read the same post? I saw a very complimentary statement.

355 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:21:20pm

re: #351 WindUpBird

OH GOD THE TOP GEAR LIGHTNING REVIEW

SO. Funny.

"There's only one problem! IT'S RUBBISH."

you don't see the lead in to that review unfortunateky - which goes along the lines "the worst car i had ever driven in my life was an old soviet jeep which spent half it's life as a chicken coop in Vietnam - the operative word in that sentece is "had........"

356 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:21:34pm

re: #354 allegro

Did we read the same post? I saw a very complimentary statement.

waytomissthepoint

357 tradewind  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:21:39pm

re: #348 palomino
I'm not so sure that the majority of 'liberal and moderate ' New Yorkers, who by the way oppose the project by 52 and 55 percent *
[Link: www.mediaite.com...]
would be open to a lecture from Dubya.

358 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:22:15pm

re: #349 HoosierHoops

Well, I'm going next store to the Hotel to Jason's Deli.. They have perhaps the biggest Salad bar I have ever seen..It is huge! I figure in about 45 minutes the owner with confront me...You eat too much!
All you can eat right?
You eat too much! I go broke!
I haven't even tried the soups yet
You eat too much! You go now!
Mind bringing me more crackers?
You eat too much!
Can I get a to go plate?
*faints*

When Mr. w and I were touring across the US on bicycles, Wendy's salad bars were our favorite thing to find. In Quincy, IL, the guy at the counter wasn't thinking when we ordered the all-you-can-eat salad bar. He asked, "For here or to go?" We looked at each other and said "TO GO!!!"

359 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:22:17pm

re: #353 Walter L. Newton

Considering how the left has been blaming him for every negative thing that has happened to the current administration, from the economy to the stopped up plumbing in the White House, if I was Bush, I'd keep my fucking mouth shut. I wouldn't step in the middle of that shit storm if they paid me, why should Bush put his ass on the line just to me mocked.

Bullshit suggestion. What's the matter, ran out of other things to bash Bush for?

Seriously. Fuck that. If I were Bush, I wouldn't do anything public ever again, and let history prove my legacy.

360 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:22:21pm

re: #356 sattv4u2

waytomissthepoint

No kidding...

361 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:22:41pm

As somebody who never like Bush's policies much, I never felt his tone on issues of race and religion was anything less than pitch perfect.

The man isn't malicious, and only the leftiest lefties think that he is. Most of the moderate left just thought he was wrong, not evil.

I think it's a good suggestion.

362 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:23:10pm

re: #348 palomino

George W Bush spoke with moral clarity and sensitivity about Muslims in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. He helped calm a lot of fears, and probably helped prevent our justifiable anger from bubbling over.

Maybe I'm naive or overly optimistic, but I think he could help again with respect to the current anti-Muslim hysteria over Cordoba House. "A Task for George W Bush"

Interesting idea. From the article.....

I would hope -- especially now that he is finished writing his book -- that he would speak out for Muslim enfranchisement in America, in particular in the wake of the "Ground Zero" mosque controversy. He should let American Muslims know that he accepts them as equal citizens under law, and that all Americans, but particularly members of his own party, should do the same. This is an important task, and I believe that George W. Bush is the best man for it.


There are a couple problems with this. 1) Ex-presidents usually don't do much politically. With the classless exception of Jimmy Carter they usually lay low and let the new guy take care of things. 2) Everybody hates Bush. The lefties always hated him, Muslims hated him for Afghanistan, Iraq, The Patriot act, etc. Wingnuts turned on him after the election because they needed to oppose saving the economy through bailouts and stimulus spending.
In short: He probably won't get involved and nobody would listen if he did.

363 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:23:26pm

re: #349 HoosierHoops

John Pinette, is that you??

364 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:23:44pm

re: #355 wozzablog

you don't see the lead in to that review unfortunateky - which goes along the lines "the worst car i had ever driven in my life was an old soviet jeep which spent half it's life as a chicken coop in Vietnam - the operative word in that sentece is "had..."

ahahaha

I love Top Gear so much :D

365 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:25:05pm

re: #361 Fozzie Bear

As somebody who never like Bush's policies much, I never felt his tone on issues of race and religion was anything less than pitch perfect.

The man isn't malicious, and only the leftiest lefties think that he is. Most of the moderate left just thought he was wrong, not evil.

I think it's a good suggestion.

a couple of gnarly vocal gaffes about a "crusade", but other than that and certainly given the kind of people who we now see bubbling to the top in the GOP now - he has a lot more respect from me.

366 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:25:17pm

re: #361 Fozzie Bear

As somebody who never like Bush's policies much, I never felt his tone on issues of race and religion was anything less than pitch perfect.

The man isn't malicious, and only the leftiest lefties think that he is. Most of the moderate left just thought he was wrong, not evil.

I think it's a good suggestion.

Upding even though I can't agree with the last sentence (TradeWind and KT summed it up nicely)

367 freetoken  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:25:23pm

re: #304 Charles

I'm almost ready to turn this new feature loose.

This isn't like trying to measure the Higgs Boson, that once accomplished the whole planet will collapse into a singularity, is it?

368 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:25:35pm

re: #341 Cato the Elder

Who said that I would try to scare you?
I've only ever tried to Spare You.

I got downdings for saying you were as scary as Dancing Dick from Lansing Mick That guy was such a pansy with all his fancy bullshit backflips, cartwheels and other useless moves, and then he just got completely and utterly flattened by Moose Cholak in 10 seconds flat.
Now please don't tell me that an old Michiganer like you never heard of Dancing Dick or the Golden Moose.

369 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:25:50pm

And on that note,,the dinner bell is ringing

370 tradewind  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:25:56pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout
And then again, he probably doesn't want to have to back track if it turns out we've been played. Just in case this isn't satire:
[Link: www.ottawacitizen.com...]

371 tradewind  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:28:32pm

re: #361 Fozzie Bear
I don't really agree with the suggestion, but it's heartening to see the post of someone who disagrees with a policy but still can acknowledge the quality of an individual.

372 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:30:42pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

There are a couple problems with this. 1) Ex-presidents usually don't do much politically. With the classless exception of Jimmy Carter they usually lay low and let the new guy take care of things. 2) Everybody hates Bush. The lefties always hated him, Muslims hated him for Afghanistan, Iraq, The Patriot act, etc. Wingnuts turned on him after the election because they needed to oppose saving the economy through bailouts and stimulus spending.
In short: He probably won't get involved and nobody would listen if he did.

Every Muslim hates Bush?
Did you really say that?
Weren't there any who supported the POTUS?

373 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:31:43pm

re: #357 tradewind

I'm not so sure that the majority of 'liberal and moderate ' New Yorkers, who by the way oppose the project by 52 and 55 percent *
[Link: www.mediaite.com...]
would be open to a lecture from Dubya.

Funny, that.

I thought he was the avatar of C-students everywhere.

Or are you tellin' me that the best we can hope for these days from the electorate is Ds?

374 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:33:16pm

re: #359 TheMatrix31

Seriously. Fuck that. If I were Bush, I wouldn't do anything public ever again, and let history prove my legacy.

Well, I would have given J. Carter the same advice, had he been in the mood to take it.

Bush's "legacy" will be the ultimate collapse of the derivative vapor economy.

Have fun with that.

375 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:34:03pm

re: #372 Spare O'Lake

Every Muslim hates Bush?
Did you really say that?
Weren't there any who supported the POTUS?

Not all that many.

Most early good will from Muslims in the west after freeing Afghanistan was wasted when he went into Iraq.

376 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:34:21pm

re: #361 Fozzie Bear

As somebody who never like Bush's policies much, I never felt his tone on issues of race and religion was anything less than pitch perfect.

The man isn't malicious, and only the leftiest lefties think that he is. Most of the moderate left just thought he was wrong, not evil.

I think it's a good suggestion.

yeah, my thing with Bush was always "he's not a very good president." The biggest social issue that comes to mind that he completely bombed on wasn't race or religion, it was Terri Schiavo, and I really blame the GOP much more than I blame him for that. Bush had the right idea about immigration as well.

There's a giant gulf between Bush and say, Newt "Gay Fascism" Gingrich on social matters. Bush looks positively liberal on social matters compared to the bigoted droids vying for position in the party now.

377 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:35:20pm

re: #372 Spare O'Lake

Every Muslim hates Bush?
Did you really say that?
Weren't there any who supported the POTUS?

As i recall he did pretty good with Muslim voters in 2000. He did very poorly with muslim voters in 2004. You can check the exits polls if you don't believe me.

378 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:35:28pm

re: #374 Cato the Elder

Well, I would have given J. Carter the same advice, had he been in the mood to take it.

Bush's "legacy" will be the ultimate collapse of the derivative vapor economy.

Have fun with that.

b b b b b b but - it's Obama's recession......... thats what them nice folks on that there teevee box be keeping on jawing at me about

379 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:36:59pm

re: #378 wozzablog

b b b but - it's Obama's recession... thats what them nice folks on that there teevee box be keeping on jawing at me about

Also, $50,000 sneakers! Elitist! Snob! How dare they have stuff!

380 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:37:09pm

re: #375 wozzablog

Not all that many.

Most early good will from Muslims in the west after freeing Afghanistan was wasted when he went into Iraq.

Never mind "the west", what about inside the USA? Do almost all American Muslims hate Bush?

381 tradewind  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:37:42pm

re: #373 Cato the Elder
Actually, the D's would be the avatar for the man Bush beat for the presidency in 2000. .. at least, when he withdrew from law school to avoid failing . Divinity school, he actually managed to exit with real F's.
Supremely unimportant, that above, but then so was the comment that precipitated it.

382 allegro  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:37:55pm

re: #379 WindUpBird

Also, $50,000 sneakers! Elitist! Snob! How dare they have stuff!

Reparations, doncha know.

383 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:38:12pm

re: #380 Spare O'Lake

Never mind "the west", what about inside the USA? Do almost all American Muslims hate Bush?

If its anything like the special loathing UK muslims have for Blair - then i would say probably yes.

384 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:39:23pm

re: #381 tradewind

Actually, the D's would be the avatar for the man Bush beat for the presidency in 2000. .. at least, when he withdrew from law school to avoid failing . Divinity school, he actually managed to exit with real F's.
Supremely unimportant, that above, but then so was the comment that precipitated it.

Which is why I am glad that we have an A student for a president now :)

385 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:39:44pm

re: #378 wozzablog

Matrix, bro - help a fellah out........ was it the snark or was i factually inaccurate?

386 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:40:27pm

re: #385 wozzablog

It was the stupidity.

387 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:41:01pm

re: #385 wozzablog

Matrix, bro - help a fellah out... was it the snark or was i factually inaccurate?

yeah, I think we're actually imagining all those fake concerned cable news anchors calling it Obama's recession

388 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:41:27pm

re: #386 TheMatrix31

I get that a lot.

Atleast i try to own mine.

389 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:41:38pm

re: #386 TheMatrix31

It was the stupidity.

Facts, apparently they are stupid things

390 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:42:16pm

re: #387 WindUpBird

yeah, I think we're actually imagining all those fake concerned cable news anchors calling it Obama's recession

I would have to take your word for it, I don't watch cable news anchors. I would assume, however, that only people on FoxNews would say its Obama's recession, and if you hate Fox News so much, I can't imagine why you'd watch them.

391 tradewind  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:42:25pm

re: #383 wozzablog
It depends upon which Muslim community in America you ask. The foreign-born muslims I know who are of arab heritage are mostly professional, satisfied people who are also supremely apolitical.
Then there is a community of converts, born in America, mostly poor, mostly minority. They're pretty active in local Democrat politics, and they have never had any use for Bush, either H W or simply W.

392 tradewind  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:43:16pm

re: #391 tradewind
PIMF.... should have qualified that with ' in my city '.

393 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:43:26pm

re: #378 wozzablog

b b b but - it's Obama's recession... thats what them nice folks on that there teevee box be keeping on jawing at me about

No .... it's OUR recession .... Obama asked for the job of fixing it and he told us he knew how to do it. It's a tough job, he needs to "man up" and OWN it or he'll never be able to fix it. I'd like him to succeed.

394 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:44:26pm

re: #388 wozzablog

I am cut to the quick by your downdings - i will struggle bravely to carry on.

395 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:45:54pm

re: #390 TheMatrix31

I would have to take your word for it, I don't watch cable news anchors. I would assume, however, that only people on FoxNews would say its Obama's recession, and if you hate Fox News so much, I can't imagine why you'd watch them.


Actually, you're wrong, there's plenty of OBAMA'S RECESSION: THREAT OR MENACE! on CNN as well. Easy enough to find online! I actually don't watch Fox news on television (TVs are for playing video games and watching Miike films) I just check out the actual footage of Fox News firing out fallacies on the internet.

The internet is great, because it shows me hard evidence of things that happen, without me having to witness it first hand, it's pretty cool

396 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:47:17pm

re: #395 WindUpBird

Actually, you're wrong, there's plenty of OBAMA'S RECESSION: THREAT OR MENACE! on CNN as well. Easy enough to find online! I actually don't watch Fox news on television (TVs are for playing video games and watching Miike films) I just check out the actual footage of Fox News firing out fallacies on the internet.

The internet is great, because it shows me hard evidence of things that happen, without me having to witness it first hand, it's pretty cool

You're pretty bad ass, dude.

397 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:47:40pm

re: #393 _RememberTonyC

No ... it's OUR recession ... Obama asked for the job of fixing it and he told us he knew how to do it. It's a tough job, he needs to "man up" and OWN it or he'll never be able to fix it. I'd like him to succeed.

he actually has already manned up, he's already trying to fix it, but facts are facts, and he wasn't in office when the reecession started.

That's like saying a body shop can't fix a car without saying they wrecked it in the first place! How does this make sense to you?

398 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:48:13pm

re: #396 TheMatrix31

You're pretty bad ass, dude.

It's both a blessing and a curse

399 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:48:47pm

If you reload the page, you will now see the "Email new comments" checkbox at the lower left of the comment posting form.

I highly recommend setting up a mail rule to automatically file this email in its own folder: I created a folder in my Apple Mail program called 'LGF Comments', then set up a rule to move incoming emails to that folder if they're from 'mailbot -at- littlegreenfootballs.com' and the subject line starts with '[LGF Comment]'.

400 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:48:49pm

re: #393 _RememberTonyC

No ... it's OUR recession ... Obama asked for the job of fixing it and he told us he knew how to do it. It's a tough job, he needs to "man up" and OWN it or he'll never be able to fix it. I'd like him to succeed.

Fair point - but, and this can not be stressed highly enough - the nature of unemployment as a lagging indicator can not be forgotten.

Most of the damage was done in some economic sectors was nigh on irrecoverable before he took office. There is a difference between dealing with the situation as it stands and those responsible for the root causes of it.

Wingnuts hear the fact that is "Obama's recession" often enough and begin to assume he caused the economic meltdown deathspiral

401 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:48:55pm

If there's one thing to count on, it's tradewinds.
They blow early or they blow late.
Anyway, they blow.

402 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:49:34pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

The Koskidz are laughing at this Conservapedia article today: Counterexamples to Relativity
From Conservapedia

Andy Schlafly: So pathetic even parody is inadequate.

403 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:49:43pm

re: #400 wozzablog

Fair point - but, and this can not be stressed highly enough - the nature of unemployment as a lagging indicator can not be forgotten.

Most of the damage was done in some economic sectors was nigh on irrecoverable before he took office. There is a difference between dealing with the situation as it stands and those responsible for the root causes of it.

Wingnuts hear the fact that is "Obama's recession" often enough and begin to assume he caused the economic meltdown deathspiral

Wingnuts hear the wrapper on their Wonder Bread crinkling and assume Obama caused the recession :D

404 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:50:10pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

As i recall he did pretty good with Muslim voters in 2000. He did very poorly with muslim voters in 2004. You can check the exits polls if you don't believe me.

I have no doubt his support decreased from 2000 to 2004 among Muslims, but your statement was far more sweeping than that.
Wouldn't the Shiites have supported Bush even back in 2004? And now that the Iraqi war has turned around wouldn't even more Muslims look back on Bush with more favour?

405 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:50:16pm

re: #399 Charles

Very cool. Thank you, Charles.

406 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:51:00pm

re: #400 wozzablog

Wingnuts hear the fact that is "Obama's recession" often enough and begin to assume he caused the economic meltdown deathspiral

No one thinks he caused it. People are pissed and believe he prolonged it with the actions that he's taken. People are also pissed that he was presented (and presented himself) as a savior of everything and bringer of change, and that hasn't happened and won't happen. Basically, it's "Oh, you wanted it? Alright fine, fuck it, here you fuckin' go."

407 tradewind  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:51:10pm

re: #390 TheMatrix31
The anchors on Fox don't label it any one president's recession. They just give us the ( usually lately bad) news. However, opinion and commentary spokespeople in the hours following usually have guests who will readily point out that sooner or later, Obama is going to have to claim the economy, but they are usually joined by guests with an opposing view who are ready to dispute that assertion and continue to blame Bush in perpetuity. Lively arguments, except when one side or the other refuses to shuddup.
There's the remote cure for that.

408 tradewind  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:52:15pm

re: #401 Cato the Elder
Given a choice, people almost always prefer them to The Doldrums.

409 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:52:22pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

As i recall he did pretty good with Muslim voters in 2000. He did very poorly with muslim voters in 2004. You can check the exits polls if you don't believe me.

True, but it could hardly have been otherwise. Afghanistan alone would have caused a major dip in his Muslim support. But the fights had to be won, even if some did not like it.

410 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:52:32pm

re: #404 Spare O'Lake

I have no doubt his support decreased from 2000 to 2004 among Muslims, but your statement was far more sweeping than that.
Wouldn't the Shiites have supported Bush even back in 2004? And now that the Iraqi war has turned around wouldn't even more Muslims look back on Bush with more favour?

after the ethnic cleansing that took place during the de-facto partition? - nobody was particularly happy about that, inside or outside the Shiite community.

411 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:52:44pm

re: #407 tradewind

Fox fux faux fixes. Final figures at five! Stay doomed.

412 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:53:06pm

re: #397 WindUpBird

he actually has already manned up, he's already trying to fix it, but facts are facts, and he wasn't in office when the reecession started.

That's like saying a body shop can't fix a car without saying they wrecked it in the first place! How does this make sense to you?

all i want to see is for him to stop whining about it all the time .... just do the job and leave the politics out of it. the campaign is over, you got the job. now just do it well if you want to keep it. i get tired of the constant campaigning. it makes him look weak to continually remind us that he inherited it. we KNOW. that's why he got elected. now make it work for ALL of us.

413 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:53:59pm

re: #412 _RememberTonyC

all i want to see is for him to stop whining about it all the time ... just do the job and leave the politics out of it. the campaign is over, you got the job. now just do it well if you want to keep it. i get tired of the constant campaigning. it makes him look weak to continually remind us that he inherited it. we KNOW. that's why he got elected. now make it work for ALL of us.

Your fuxing foxing shift key seems to be broken.

414 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:55:03pm

re: #400 wozzablog

Fair point - but, and this can not be stressed highly enough - the nature of unemployment as a lagging indicator can not be forgotten.

Most of the damage was done in some economic sectors was nigh on irrecoverable before he took office. There is a difference between dealing with the situation as it stands and those responsible for the root causes of it.

Wingnuts hear the fact that is "Obama's recession" often enough and begin to assume he caused the economic meltdown deathspiral


it's politics that keep these guys from doing their jobs properly. on both sides. maybe term limits might be a good thing if these guys have a limited shelf life in their jobs. maybe ...

415 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:55:25pm

re: #408 tradewind

I would buy your dull drums if I didn't have other means of intelligence.

416 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:55:42pm

re: #413 Cato the Elder

Your fuxing foxing shift key seems to be broken.

good evening you crotchety old shit ...

417 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:55:59pm

re: #412 _RememberTonyC

all i want to see is for him to stop whining about it all the time ... just do the job and leave the politics out of it. the campaign is over, you got the job. now just do it well if you want to keep it. i get tired of the constant campaigning. it makes him look weak to continually remind us that he inherited it. we KNOW. that's why he got elected. now make it work for ALL of us.


Are you just partisan or are you really this naive about polittcs?

418 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:56:34pm

SOMEONE SHOULD GET ALL THE POLITICS OUT OF POLITICS!!!

419 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:56:47pm

re: #416 _RememberTonyC

good evening you crotchety old shit ...

That's the nicest thing N E one has sed to me in years.

Excepting Summer.

420 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:57:48pm

re: #419 Cato the Elder

That's the nicest thing N E one has sed to me in years.

Excepting Summer.

it seemed nicer than something else i occasionally say ...

421 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:57:55pm

re: #406 TheMatrix31

No one thinks he caused it. People are pissed and believe he prolonged it with the actions that he's taken. People are also pissed that he was presented (and presented himself) as a savior of everything and bringer of change, and that hasn't happened and won't happen. Basically, it's "Oh, you wanted it? Alright fine, fuck it, here you fuckin' go."

A politician over sells - big fucking whoop.

Ploughing money into states to prevent massive layoff s of teachers/fire fighters/police and front lkine civil servants has saved jobs and masses in unemployment and redundency settlements in over stretched state budgets.

Slashing taxes and reducing govt income would only have led to more borrowing - not bailing out the banks would have led to total economic collapse.

422 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:58:05pm

re: #414 _RememberTonyC

it's politics that keep these guys from doing their jobs properly. on both sides. maybe term limits might be a good thing if these guys have a limited shelf life in their jobs. maybe ...

I can't even begin to start laughing, it's more of a wheeze

"You know, it's people that get in the way of the business of the people. The people need to rise up and take back the government from the people, and make sure the people have a voice, and that their voice isn't suppressed by the people. Also, the people."

"People."

423 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:58:47pm

re: #421 wozzablog

A politician over sells - big fucking whoop.

Ploughing money into states to prevent massive layoff s of teachers/fire fighters/police and front lkine civil servants has saved jobs and masses in unemployment and redundency settlements in over stretched state budgets.

Slashing taxes and reducing govt income would only have led to more borrowing - not bailing out the banks would have led to total economic collapse.

Grover Norquist is riding around on his broom, buzzing this thread

424 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:59:29pm

THE PROBLEM WITH AMERICA IS IT'S FULL OF AMERICANS

425 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:59:32pm

re: #417 WindUpBird

Are you just partisan or are you really this naive about politics?

Thing is, WUB, that we're starting to get close to election day. And as we get closer, the partisanship is going to grow, here and everywhere, till the election is over. When the election is close, it stops being about finding answers and more about fighting for your party.

426 tradewind  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:59:49pm

re: #411 Cato the Elder
Cato, you're gonna have to go find someone else to measure with, I don't have the proper equipment./
And I don't want to stir up another emotional exit. Just knock it off, or not. I'm not playin'.

427 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 4:59:54pm

re: #414 _RememberTonyC

it's politics that keep these guys from doing their jobs properly. on both sides. maybe term limits might be a good thing if these guys have a limited shelf life in their jobs. maybe ...

Here's the problem with term limits...

If we impose term limits than that means the lobbyists will all but always have more power/connections than the Senator /Representative he's trying to influence....

428 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:00:02pm

re: #422 WindUpBird

You're so enlightened, man.

429 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:00:59pm

re: #425 Dark_Falcon

Thing is, WUB, that we're starting to get close to election day. And as we get closer, the partisanship is going to grow, here and everywhere, till the election is over. When the election is close, it stops being about finding answers and more about fighting for your party.

I really really do not want to hear you lecture me about anything.

I mean after all, I can't even be trusted to get married, so why are you even talking to me?

430 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:01:00pm

re: #239 drcordell

Really bummed out about both the ADL and Wiesenthal center coming out against the Cordoba Center / "Ground Zero Mosque" whatever you want to call it. Just can't wrap my head around why they feel the need to stake out a position so antithetical to their core values.

How is it antithetical to their core values to say "just because you have the right doesn't mean you should use it"? I hear the same argument here all the time.

431 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:01:27pm

re: #417 WindUpBird

Are you just partisan or are you really this naive about polittcs?

neither. both sides do it. i know that. but Obama overdoes it. don't make decisions affecting my kids and the taxes they'll get stuck with in exchange for some short term fix. we need vision more than anything else. the great ones have it. Obama can be one of them. But I haven't seen results yet. And results are what matter come election day.

432 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:01:40pm

re: #429 WindUpBird

I mean after all, I can't even be trusted to get married, so why are you even talking to me?

You'd be the first person I'd talk to regarding fetish shoes though.

433 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:02:28pm

re: #431 _RememberTonyC

neither. both sides do it. i know that. but Obama overdoes it. don't make decisions affecting my kids and the taxes they'll get stuck with in exchange for some short term fix. we need vision more than anything else. the great ones have it. Obama can be one of them. But I haven't seen results yet. And results are what matter come election day.

You are like a golem made out of empty populist cliches. it's like I'm talking to one of those fortune teller machines in a curio shop

434 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:02:40pm

re: #425 Dark_Falcon

Thing is, WUB, that we're starting to get close to election day. And as we get closer, the partisanship is going to grow, here and everywhere, till the election is over. When the election is close, it stops being about finding answers and more about fighting for your party.

Oh boy... batten down the hatches, I hope we can stay civil about it Dark, but something tells me that this may be the most "interesting" election season here on LGF given that we probably are a lot closer to having even numbers of liberals/conservatives and whatever else people want to call themselves on the left to right axis....

435 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:02:52pm

re: #432 TheMatrix31

You'd be the first person I'd talk to regarding fetish shoes though.

New Rocks, can't go wrong, they'll last you ten years

436 blueraven  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:02:58pm

re: #421 wozzablog

A politician over sells - big fucking whoop.

Ploughing money into states to prevent massive layoff s of teachers/fire fighters/police and front lkine civil servants has saved jobs and masses in unemployment and redundency settlements in over stretched state budgets.

Slashing taxes and reducing govt income would only have led to more borrowing - not bailing out the banks would have led to total economic collapse.

It was Bush who bailed out the banks; TARP. Yes, and I agree it was the only thing he could do. Without that, the stimulus, and the auto bailout, I shudder to think where we would be.

If it were left to the Rs we would have nothing but tax cuts.

437 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:03:06pm

I see TheMatrix31 has rediscovered the downding button.

Miserus, avarus, illegitimus, sumus
satis de caca tua!
Mors est, tuam cacam legere.
Mi es ridiculus, mus, et venimus
nunc in adulatorium alteri!

438 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:03:08pm

the room is very cynical tonight .... it's kind of a buzz kill. have a good one, Lizards.

439 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:03:18pm

re: #434 jamesfirecat

given that we probably are a lot closer to having even numbers of liberals/conservativess...


lol

440 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:03:50pm

re: #435 WindUpBird

New Rocks, can't go wrong, they'll last you ten years

Thanks bro! I'll buy a pair right now!

441 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:04:02pm

re: #434 jamesfirecat

Oh boy... batten down the hatches, I hope we can stay civil about it Dark, but something tells me that this may be the most "interesting" election season here on LGF given that we probably are a lot closer to having even numbers of liberals/conservatives and whatever else people want to call themselves on the left to right axis...

This isn't going to be even close to interesting. The house is gone, GONE. It's only a question of do the dems lose the senate now or in 2012. Somebody has to start a pool, something on the order of the ncaa tourney pools.

442 tradewind  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:04:13pm

re: #434 jamesfirecat
It'll be fun.

443 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:04:37pm

re: #410 wozzablog

after the ethnic cleansing that took place during the de-facto partition? - nobody was particularly happy about that, inside or outside the Shiite community.

Ah yes, sorry, I forgot that Bush did ethnic cleansing.
Silly me, I must have had him confused with Milosevic, whom the US trounced in order to end his ethnic cleansing of Muslims. Or maybe I had him mixed up with someone else.

444 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:05:35pm

re: #412 _RememberTonyC

all i want to see is for him to stop whining about it all the time ... just do the job and leave the politics out of it. the campaign is over, you got the job. now just do it well if you want to keep it. i get tired of the constant campaigning. it makes him look weak to continually remind us that he inherited it. we KNOW. that's why he got elected. now make it work for ALL of us.

The problem is that sometime the American people seem to have a horrible memory for political events.

I'll say Obama blames Bush too much when everyone in this nation who intends to vote realizes how we got where we are economically at the moment...

445 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:06:24pm

re: #431 _RememberTonyC

neither. both sides do it. i know that. but Obama overdoes it. don't make decisions affecting my kids and the taxes they'll get stuck with in exchange for some short term fix. we need vision more than anything else. the great ones have it. Obama can be one of them. But I haven't seen results yet. And results are what matter come election day.


He is no more political than the last guy - he's taken less vacation and isn't revoking the Bush tax cuts for those on under $150,000.

The last guys whitehouse was more political (Rove, anyone?, anyone?) and substantially played more to ideology than this one, which has been accused too often of vacillation when in fact they are taking their time to try and get thinsg right rather than governing by gut feeling.

446 EdDantes  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:06:54pm

re: #439 TheMatrix31

And I always considered you the bastard son I never had. ;

447 tradewind  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:07:45pm

re: #398 WindUpBird
Wow, that makes me nostalgic for Monk.

448 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:07:51pm

re: #439 TheMatrix31

lol

What's so funny about that exactly?

449 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:08:09pm

re: #436 blueraven

It was Bush who bailed out the banks; TARP. Yes, and I agree it was the only thing he could do. Without that, the stimulus, and the auto bailout, I shudder to think where we would be.

If it were left to the Rs we would have nothing but tax cuts.

The auto-bailout was considered by the Bush WH, they just kicked it down the road to the next guy.

And yup - tarp was Bush, but Obama's been managing it and supported it.

450 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:08:52pm

re: #441 RogueOne

This isn't going to be even close to interesting. The house is gone, GONE. It's only a question of do the dems lose the senate now or in 2012. Somebody has to start a pool, something on the order of the ncaa tourney pools.

Not so much that the election over all itself is going to be a nail biter, just that the discussion of who will win what races and why is likely to be quite "energetic" to say the least....

451 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:09:20pm

re: #444 jamesfirecat

The problem is that sometime the American people seem to have a horrible memory for political events.

I'll say Obama blames Bush too much when everyone in this nation who intends to vote realizes how we got where we are economically at the moment...

Of course we got here because of Bush's spending, and supported by the Democrat house and congress. I didn't notice them trying to reign in Bush.

And then Obama came along and told us how he was going to fix it, how it was going to get better, how unemployment will never go over this number or that number, and he has not delivered.

So, Bush and a two Democrat branches brought us here, and Obama is not doing shit to show the way out.

Kind of fucked up all around... heh?

452 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:09:20pm

re: #448 jamesfirecat

Because I don't think the numbers are close.

453 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:09:59pm

re: #443 Spare O'Lake

Ah yes, sorry, I forgot that Bush did ethnic cleansing.
Silly me, I must have had him confused with Milosevic, whom the US trounced in order to end his ethnic cleansing of Muslims. Or maybe I had him mixed up with someone else.

Removing the power structures and leaving a massive vacuum underwhich the militias grabbed hold - that was just a smidgen the fault of the guy who decided to invade with a piss poor plan.

454 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:10:01pm

re: #436 blueraven

It was Bush who bailed out the banks; TARP. Yes, and I agree it was the only thing he could do. Without that, the stimulus, and the auto bailout, I shudder to think where we would be.

If it were left to the Rs we would have nothing but tax cuts.

Right where we are except with a trillion dollars in our pocket?

455 tradewind  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:10:31pm

re: #441 RogueOne
I hope you're right, but there's always the old Dem standby, ' Bring Out Your Dead ' . They're not going to let this one go without a struggle.

456 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:11:08pm

re: #452 TheMatrix31

Because I don't think the numbers are close.

Would you agree that they're probably closer than they were during the 2008 election or are there too many liberals present?

457 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:11:19pm

re: #429 WindUpBird

I really really do not want to hear you lecture me about anything.

I mean after all, I can't even be trusted to get married, so why are you even talking to me?

I'm sorry I said anything like that. I didn't fully mean it and I need to explain myself. I wrenched my back badly on Saturday and I am in near-constant pain. In that state of pain, my thoughts were dominated by a a 'no pain' mentality. Gay marriage implies disruption of existing norms, and I find such changes painful. And in the pain-avoidance mode I was in, I spoke wrongly. The truth is that I don't have a firm opinion on gay marriage. It doesn't scare me as an idea, but I'm afraid of the unknown. That's why I've said so little about it. I'll keep thinking about it, but in the meantime consider my position from this morning withdrawn entirely.

458 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:11:38pm

re: #456 jamesfirecat

180 degrees, probably.

459 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:12:07pm

re: #457 Dark_Falcon

I'm sorry I said anything like that. I didn't fully mean it and I need to explain myself. I wrenched my back badly on Saturday and I am in near-constant pain. In that state of pain, my thoughts were dominated by a a 'no pain' mentality. Gay marriage implies disruption of existing norms, and I find such changes painful. And in the pain-avoidance mode I was in, I spoke wrongly. The truth is that I don't have a firm opinion on gay marriage. It doesn't scare me as an idea, but I'm afraid of the unknown. That's why I've said so little about it. I'll keep thinking about it, but in the meantime consider my position from this morning withdrawn entirely.

Own your comments D_F. It's OK to take a stand.

460 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:12:29pm

re: #455 tradewind

I hope you're right, but there's always the old Dem standby, ' Bring Out Your Dead ' . They're not going to let this one go without a struggle.

I don't really hope I'm right because as soon as the R's take over they'll forget why they did in the first place, just like the dems over the last 4 years, and start spending like drunken whores all over again. It's one big, ugly vicious circle.

461 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:12:48pm

re: #454 RogueOne

Right where we are except with a trillion dollars in our pocket?

///Yes because the Stimulus didn't create a single job!

462 bratwurst  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:12:50pm

re: #457 Dark_Falcon

Gay marriage implies disruption of existing norms

Upding in spite of this.

463 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:13:06pm

re: #457 Dark_Falcon

I'm sorry I said anything like that. I didn't fully mean it and I need to explain myself. I wrenched my back badly on Saturday and I am in near-constant pain. In that state of pain, my thoughts were dominated by a a 'no pain' mentality. Gay marriage implies disruption of existing norms, and I find such changes painful. And in the pain-avoidance mode I was in, I spoke wrongly. The truth is that I don't have a firm opinion on gay marriage. It doesn't scare me as an idea, but I'm afraid of the unknown. That's why I've said so little about it. I'll keep thinking about it, but in the meantime consider my position from this morning withdrawn entirely.

My advice is if you're not sure, don't marry a man.

464 tradewind  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:13:31pm

re: #454 RogueOne
What's fun is that the democrats could not wait to pounce on those Bush tax cuts this election season and demagogue the heck out of them.
Now, they're afraid to mention them and the republicans are itching for that fight. Total 180.

465 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:13:37pm

re: #459 TheMatrix31

Own your comments D_F. It's OK to take a stand.

I do take stands, but I took the wrong one. I let my emotions get the better of me and I hurt people's feelings. When you do that, the only thing to do is apologize and atone as best as you can.

466 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:13:42pm

re: #461 jamesfirecat

///Yes because the Stimulus didn't create a single job!

It created, or saved, about a dozen. That's how many people it took to cut the checks that were spent on doing nothing./

467 tradewind  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:14:04pm

re: #460 RogueOne
Maybe we can put a governor on their engine.

468 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:15:07pm

re: #465 Dark_Falcon

I do take stands, but I took the wrong one. I let my emotions get the better of me and I hurt people's feelings. When you do that, the only thing to do is apologize and atone as best as you can.

I don't know what the comment was---and I don't care---but if I have a stance and it "hurts people's feelings", then fuck it, tough shit.

I'm a highly honest man who doesn't give a fuck about what people think about my thoughts and opinions.

469 tradewind  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:15:40pm

re: #461 jamesfirecat
I think when the price tag was figured, it was about six figures per job.
Such a deal./

470 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:15:55pm

re: #466 RogueOne

It created, or saved, about a dozen. That's how many people it took to cut the checks that were spent on doing nothing./

Hi Hoosier! Greeting from Oklahoma

471 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:16:09pm

re: #459 TheMatrix31

Own your comments D_F. It's OK to take a stand.

I admire D_F's ability to admit a mistake personally.

472 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:16:39pm

re: #470 HoosierHoops

Hi Hoosier! Greeting from Oklahoma

How are you enjoying yourself out there? At a minimum OK is a prettier state than Indiana.

473 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:16:54pm

re: #471 jamesfirecat

I admire D_F's ability to admit a mistake personally.

I'll admit a factual mistake, but my thoughts and opinions are never mistakes.

474 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:17:23pm

re: #468 TheMatrix31

I don't know what the comment was---and I don't care---but if I have a stance and it "hurts people's feelings", then fuck it, tough shit.

I'm a highly honest man who doesn't give a fuck about what people think about my thoughts and opinions.

How do you take in new information?

475 Nimed  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:17:58pm

re: #468 TheMatrix31

I'm a highly honest man who doesn't give a fuck about what people think about my thoughts and opinions.

lol. People don't think about your thoughts and opinions.

476 prairiefire  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:18:02pm

re: #441 RogueOne

This isn't going to be even close to interesting. The house is gone, GONE. It's only a question of do the dems lose the senate now or in 2012. Somebody has to start a pool, something on the order of the ncaa tourney pools.

The Dems are not going to lose the Senate.

477 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:18:22pm

re: #474 wrenchwench

How do you take in new information?

by how badly it pisses other people off....

478 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:18:27pm

re: #473 TheMatrix31

I'll admit a factual mistake, but my thoughts and opinions are never mistakes.

That's you, Matrix. Sometimes my opinions turn out to be wrong. When that happens, I admit it. We each go our own way.

479 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:19:04pm

re: #474 wrenchwench

How do you take in new information?

I take information in and judge accordingly.

480 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:19:11pm

re: #476 prairiefire

The Dems are not going to lose the Senate.

This year or 2012? I give 'em even odds to hold the senate this year, but I'd already be measuring the drapes if I were in the R leadership for 2012.

481 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:19:12pm

re: #476 prairiefire

The Dems are not going to lose the Senate.

Nope, not when we've got our two secret weapons, Luap Dnar and Sharon Angel... those two are gonna secure senate seats or... or I'll loose some of my faith in the American people...

482 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:19:24pm

re: #473 TheMatrix31

I'll admit a factual mistake, but my thoughts and opinions are never mistakes.

Oh, there's the "highly honest man."

483 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:20:00pm

re: #473 TheMatrix31

I'll admit a factual mistake, but my thoughts and opinions are never mistakes.

It takes a special personality to hold their own opinions in such high regard.

I'm always reviewing my opinions - and if the facts change or if someone out debates me - i'm open to changing them, and i'm not above admitting they may have been wrong at times.

484 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:20:11pm

re: #425 Dark_Falcon

Thing is, WUB, that we're starting to get close to election day. And as we get closer, the partisanship is going to grow, here and everywhere, till the election is over. When the election is close, it stops being about finding answers and more about fighting for your party.

Fine, then let the games begin, and let be the first so say that you are a greasy piece of trash. Time and again you sell inequality with the pathetic excuse that you are inexorably ruled by your own bitch ass emotions, not logic. Why should people respect a person that admits knowing the truth that they would still lie to Pat Tillman's parents, who thinks that order trumps compassion, and that his own emotional hatred trumps reason?

/spit.

re: #457 Dark_Falcon

I'm sorry I said anything like that. I didn't fully mean it and I need to explain myself. I wrenched my back badly on Saturday and I am in near-constant pain. In that state of pain, my thoughts were dominated by a a 'no pain' mentality. Gay marriage implies disruption of existing norms, and I find such changes painful. And in the pain-avoidance mode I was in, I spoke wrongly. The truth is that I don't have a firm opinion on gay marriage. It doesn't scare me as an idea, but I'm afraid of the unknown. That's why I've said so little about it. I'll keep thinking about it, but in the meantime consider my position from this morning withdrawn entirely.

Bitch. I'm fucking sick of your wishy washy bullshit. Own the hatred you threw out there, own the emotion you find time and again so goddamned important that it should trump reason, compassion, logic, equality.

485 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:20:29pm

What is the deal with the "loose"? Did I miss a memo somewhere that explains I've been spelling "lose" wrong all these years?

486 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:20:39pm

re: #482 wrenchwench

Oh, there's the "highly honest man."

I don't get what that has to do with me standing by my thoughts and opinions.

Honesty as in, I'm blunt about how I feel.

487 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:20:41pm

re: #480 RogueOne

This year or 2012? I give 'em even odds to hold the senate this year, but I'd already be measuring the drapes if I were in the R leadership for 2012.

The problem with how 2012 Senate goes... well its going to also be linked into the presidential race since that will probably help bring people out to vote don't you agree?

So if the Republicans run Palin for President in 2012, their Senators gonna get shellacked at the polls when people can't bring themselves to vote for a Republican be they for president or Senator!

488 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:20:52pm

re: #475 Nimed

lol. People don't think about your thoughts and opinions.

If they did, the drug trade would be up five points on Wall Street.

489 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:21:41pm

re: #476 prairiefire

The Dems are not going to lose the Senate.

Sharron Angle in Nevada is God's own gift to the Dems, and if people like Tancredo insist on joining races in other areas of the country as spoilers - results may be better than people forecast.

490 austin_blue  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:22:05pm

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

Wait. They're opposed to the theory of relativity...

Oh God. I can't stand it.

Here's an example"

"The theory of relativity is a mathematical system that allows no exceptions. It is heavily promoted by liberals who like its encouragement of relativism and its tendency to mislead people in how they view the world.[1] Here is a list of 24 counterexamples: any one of them shows that the theory is incorrect.

9. The action-at-a-distance by Jesus, described in John 4:46-54."

Aha! Caught those eggheads!

491 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:22:16pm

re: #484 goddamnedfrank

You wanna call me 'bitch'? Fine, then: Game on.

492 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:22:31pm

re: #487 jamesfirecat

The problem with how 2012 Senate goes... well its going to also be linked into the presidential race since that will probably help bring people out to vote don't you agree?

So if the Republicans run Palin for President in 2012, their Senators gonna get shellacked at the polls when people can't bring themselves to vote for a Republican be they for president or Senator!

Good point. If the R's nominate Palin all bets are off. I don't see them making that mistake and, as of now, I still see Obama winning a 2nd term. I'm not sure why but I always give the incumbent a big edge.

493 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:22:53pm

re: #483 wozzablog

It takes a special personality to hold their own opinions in such high regard.

I'm always reviewing my opinions - and if the facts change or if someone out debates me - i'm open to changing them, and i'm not above admitting they may have been wrong at times.

Oh, I'm reviewing my opinions all the time. I'm just comfortable to stand by statements, and don't feel like I need to be wishy-washy just to please all sides. I'm not a politician.

Like, for example, I used to like Palin. Now, I don't particularly care about her and wish she'd go away so people stop busting balls about things she does or says.

494 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:23:37pm

re: #472 RogueOne

How are you enjoying yourself out there? At a minimum OK is a prettier state than Indiana.

It's hotter than the 5th gate of Hell here...I have visited some of the Indian nations around here...Boy you have no idea how right leaning this State is..Listen to talk radio...Everybody is up in arms about the OSU day being yesterday..on a *gasp* Sunday...Front page news..I guess OSU day will never be on a Sunday again...I guess it's against God's law to visit Stillwell to visit the Campus on a Sunday...Scandalous I tell you

495 lostlakehiker  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:23:57pm

re: #75 Cato the Elder

You know that the Germans recognize a specific kind of demon? He's called the Druckfehlerteuful (typo devil), and he inhabits every keyboard and typesetting shop. (Yes, there are still shops that set type by hand.) No matter how many times one reads one's own manuscript, he'll slip something in.

Once, in Edinburgh, the proud Victorians decided to publish a perfect book. I can't remember the subject, but it was something theological, with English, Greek, and Latin all mixed up in the pages. Proofread, over and over, by the best scholars and typesetters of the day.

So the dons offered a unique and princely prize: they hung out the final proofs of the book in the hall of the main building and promised a reward of 20 guineas (a small fortune at the time) to any student who could find an error.

Weeks went by, and no one was able to claim the prize. So they went ahead and printed it.

The following day, someone found about seventeen errors in the printed edition. Including one on the first page.

Druckfehlerteufel!

That guy is one of the characters in "City at the end of Time", by Greg Bear.
Mega weird science fiction

496 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:24:20pm

Ok kids - peace. I'm out.

Neck is hurting like a thing that hurts an awful lot.

and PLAY NICE!

497 bratwurst  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:24:51pm

re: #484 goddamnedfrank

This is more than a bit harsh toward anyone here, much less someone who has proven himself as among the most open minded people who inhabit this place. I frequently disagree with DF, and was especially disappointed with the view he expressed earlier today. I give him much credit for walking it back here tonight and can't imagine what he has said or done to earn this kind of vitriol.

498 tradewind  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:25:05pm

re: #484 goddamnedfrank
Please, calm down before before you pop an emergency exit chute./

499 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:25:09pm

"My thoughts and opinions are never mistakes"
says Matrix, the man who makes
his mother's womb ashamed to have borne him.
Let all the thinking Lizards scorn him!

500 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:25:16pm

re: #492 RogueOne

Good point. If the R's nominate Palin all bets are off. I don't see them making that mistake and, as of now, I still see Obama winning a 2nd term. I'm not sure why but I always give the incumbent a big edge.

Oh also there's the big edge he has that he's probably going to have a fool to run against.

Obama was a surprise candidate to some degree, and the first I REALLY heard of him was the speech that he gave the night of the 2006 mid terms.

So whoever the Republicans are going to run against Obama must already be well known or will be showing up in about three months....

Who do you see them running?

501 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:25:55pm

Well, the Braves game started, and since sports are infinitely more important to me than political bullshit, I'm out. Later.

502 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:26:22pm

re: #499 Cato the Elder

"My thoughts and opinions are never mistakes"
says Matrix, the man who makes
his mother's womb ashamed to have borne him.
Let all the thinking Lizards scorn him!


That's pretty dirty. Fuck you.

503 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:26:26pm

re: #494 HoosierHoops

It's hotter than the 5th gate of Hell here...I have visited some of the Indian nations around here...Boy you have no idea how right leaning this State is..Listen to talk radio...Everybody is up in arms about the OSU day being yesterday..on a *gasp* Sunday...Front page news..I guess OSU day will never be on a Sunday again...I guess it's against God's law to visit Stillwell to visit the Campus on a Sunday...Scandalous I tell you

HH... as someone who has spent a lot of time in OK working at a lot of nightclubs and frat parties at OU, I would suggest if you are going to be very lonely if you don't find some way to get along with the locals. Yes, there is a lot of conservative America there, and you are not going to change that.

504 Nimed  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:26:28pm

re: #488 Cato the Elder

If they did, the drug trade would be up five points on Wall Street.

It gets tiring after a while to read the comments of people who insist on sharing their always unsolicited opinion about themselves.

505 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:27:16pm

re: #497 bratwurst

This is more than a bit harsh toward anyone here, much less someone who has proven himself as among the most open minded people who inhabit this place. I frequently disagree with DF, and was especially disappointed with the view he expressed earlier today. I give him much credit for walking it back here tonight and can't imagine what he has said or done to earn this kind of vitriol.

He has a point that I've often said non-sequiters and then claim to be acting from emotion. It's a problem I've always had. I work at it every day, but it does sometimes happen. I'm sorry that it does, and I'll keep working to get rid of it for good.

506 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:27:51pm

re: #500 jamesfirecat

Oh also there's the big edge he has that he's probably going to have a fool to run against.

Obama was a surprise candidate to some degree, and the first I REALLY heard of him was the speech that he gave the night of the 2006 mid terms.

So whoever the Republicans are going to run against Obama must already be well known or will be showing up in about three months...

Who do you see them running?

Mitch Daniels, my gov, would be my pick. I'm afraid he might be too centrist to win a primary but with his expertise being economic issues this might be his best chance.

507 blueraven  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:29:41pm

re: #451 Walter L. Newton

Of course we got here because of Bush's spending, and supported by the Democrat house and congress. I didn't notice them trying to reign in Bush.

And then Obama came along and told us how he was going to fix it, how it was going to get better, how unemployment will never go over this number or that number, and he has not delivered.

So, Bush and a two Democrat branches brought us here, and Obama is not doing shit to show the way out.

Kind of fucked up all around... heh?

Walter, both houses of Congress were controlled by republicans until Jan. 2007. The recession started in Dec 2007 as we know now. Are you trying to say the democrats did all this in 11 months?

Why were the tax cuts for 10 years only? Because Bush couldn't get the votes any other way. How about medicare part D? The vote was extended for days, to get enough republican votes.

Yes, the democrats did try to rein him in, but they didn't control the house or the senate. Get your facts straight.

508 austin_blue  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:29:45pm

re: #468 TheMatrix31

I don't know what the comment was---and I don't care---but if I have a stance and it "hurts people's feelings", then fuck it, tough shit.

I'm a highly honest man who doesn't give a fuck about what people think about my thoughts and opinions.

Excerpts from the notebooks of Lazarus Long:

A skunk is better company than a person who prides himself on being “frank.”

509 Nimed  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:31:36pm

re: #493 TheMatrix31

Oh, I'm reviewing my opinions all the time. I'm just comfortable to stand by statements, and don't feel like I need to be wishy-washy just to please all sides. I'm not a politician.

Like, for example, I used to like Palin. Now, I don't particularly care about her and wish she'd go away so people stop busting balls about things she does or says.

I, I, me, I, me, me, me, I. Take, for instance me, me, me, I, me, I. Isn't that interesting?

510 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:34:24pm

re: #506 RogueOne

Mitch Daniels, my gov, would be my pick. I'm afraid he might be too centrist to win a primary but with his expertise being economic issues this might be his best chance.

I have one problem with that plan.

"WHO?"

At least Obama had been a Senator so he in theory should have been heard of across the nation beforehand...

Granted Clinton spring boarded from Gov to Prez, so I suppose its possible, but I expect your well meaning guy would like you predicted get burried going up against even someone like Mitt Romney....

511 bratwurst  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:34:43pm

re: #509 Nimed

I, I, me, I, me, me, me, I. Take, for instance me, me, me, I, me, I. Isn't that interesting?


And it's not that he was wrong about Palin, mind you...it's just that he doesn't want to have to defend her positions.

512 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:35:08pm

re: #511 bratwurst

And it's not that he was wrong about Palin, mind you...it's just that he doesn't want to have to defend her positions.

I caught that.

513 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:36:07pm

re: #503 Walter L. Newton

HH... as someone who has spent a lot of time in OK working at a lot of nightclubs and frat parties at OU, I would suggest if you are going to be very lonely if you don't find some way to get along with the locals. Yes, there is a lot of conservative America there, and you are not going to change that.

And as someone who has gotten along with most people in this world I would suggest you not judge me...I'm not here to change anybodies mind about God, Politics or life...I make comments about what I see..From my viewpoint...
I love the College kids here..Very educated and very very nice...My waitress last night is going for her Masters..Very nice locals..I met a guy last week wearing a Lakers shirt on the street..We spent a 1/2 hour talking about ball.

514 lostlakehiker  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:42:03pm

re: #490 austin_blue

Here's an example"

"The theory of relativity is a mathematical system that allows no exceptions. It is heavily promoted by liberals who like its encouragement of relativism and its tendency to mislead people in how they view the world.[1] Here is a list of 24 counterexamples: any one of them shows that the theory is incorrect.

9. The action-at-a-distance by Jesus, described in John 4:46-54."

Aha! Caught those eggheads!

Trouble with that reaction is that it can be read to implicitly grant that the other "counterexamples" actually hold water. None of them do.


Some attack relativity by observing that it doesn't square with quantum physics, which is fair enough if you're trying to show that relativity doesn't explain everything in physics and cannot be the final word, but no good if you're claiming relativity gives wrong predictions in its own realm.

Some attack relativity by using a facile and clueless word-game analysis of some physics puzzle. This is an essentially Aristotelean attack on physics. Word-reasoning just doesn't cut it. What is required is to analyze a proposed experiment carefully, within the setting of relativity, after having mastered the subject. Algebra and calculus will be involved. If it turns out that the analysis from the perspective of one frame of reference gives a different answer to what should be expected in an experiment, to the same analysis from the perspective of another frame of reference, that would be a telling point against relativity. The author should publish his results in "Nature". Somehow, that never happens.

Some attack relativity by asserting that experimental evidence contradicts it. In some cases, they just lie. Point "24" is a case in point. Clocks do in fact run differently when lifted into airplanes and flown East around the world, or West. Muons take longer to decay when moving at relativistic velocities. Particles and atomic nuclei gain mass and require more force to deflect inside particle accelerators when moving at relativistic velocities.

In other cases they again step outside the domain of relativity. The very large scale structure of space/time is not that well understood. What, for instance, is going on with "dark energy"? That there should be phenomena relevant to that scale that are not explained by relativity is just another indication that relativity is not the final word on physics, not a theory of everything at every scale large and small.

Relativity wins hands down over Newtonian physics in all categories save ease of use. There, for small velocities and masses, Newtonian physics has the edge. It gives us handy rules of thumb that accord pretty well with the real truth of the matter, and these rules of thumb are much easier to master than the intricacies of relativity.

515 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:42:48pm

re: #463 RogueOne

My advice is if you're not sure, don't marry a man.

Or a woman.

516 lostlakehiker  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:44:29pm

re: #500 jamesfirecat

Oh also there's the big edge he has that he's probably going to have a fool to run against.

Obama was a surprise candidate to some degree, and the first I REALLY heard of him was the speech that he gave the night of the 2006 mid terms.

So whoever the Republicans are going to run against Obama must already be well known or will be showing up in about three months...

Who do you see them running?

Gov. Christie of NJ would be a grownup, anyhow. He's got a track record, he's not weighed in with nutty denialism so far as I know, and he has credentials as a fiscal conservative that would allow him to make the multi-trillion dollar deficit his central campaign issue.

517 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:48:42pm

re: #516 lostlakehiker

Gov. Christie of NJ would be a grownup, anyhow. He's got a track record, he's not weighed in with nutty denialism so far as I know, and he has credentials as a fiscal conservative that would allow him to make the multi-trillion dollar deficit his central campaign issue.

The problem is that he'd be painted as "mean" by the media for cutting social spending, and his very lack of positions of social issues might fail to inspire the party base.

518 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:52:47pm

re: #505 Dark_Falcon

He has a point that I've often said non-sequiters and then claim to be acting from emotion. It's a problem I've always had. I work at it every day, but it does sometimes happen. I'm sorry that it does, and I'll keep working to get rid of it for good.

For the record I am sorry to be such a dick about it, but I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to be as brutally honest as I possibly can. I'm glad to see that you get that emotion forms a crap foundation upon which to build an argument, and I'll let it go at that.

519 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:55:26pm

re: #518 goddamnedfrank

Dude, you're just facing the fact nobody wants to.

Guy doesn't think, he follows preprogrammed systems. He throws out insults and then pulls them back saying "Oh I didn't mean that!"

He thought McCarthy had the right idea!

Not open minded, and not thinking. Just nobody wants to face up to it because he reads like a nice kid.

520 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:58:20pm

re: #497 bratwurst

This is more than a bit harsh toward anyone here, much less someone who has proven himself as among the most open minded people who inhabit this place. I frequently disagree with DF, and was especially disappointed with the view he expressed earlier today. I give him much credit for walking it back here tonight and can't imagine what he has said or done to earn this kind of vitriol.

I do not agree with this at all, in any way

He only walked it back under massive pressure, I don't exactly call that worthy of applause and kudos.

Replace "gay" with "black" in what DF said, make it about interracial marriage instead of gay marriage, and everyone would be updinging Frank and calling for DF's banning, walkback or not.

521 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 5:58:31pm

re: #518 goddamnedfrank

For the record I am sorry to be such a dick about it, but I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to be as brutally honest as I possibly can. I'm glad to see that you get that emotion forms a crap foundation upon which to build an argument, and I'll let it go at that.

Thank you, sir. I'll try to do better. And brutal honesty is something I appreciate.

522 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 6:01:37pm

re: #520 WindUpBird

I do not agree with this at all, in any way

He only walked it back under massive pressure, I don't exactly call that worthy of applause and kudos.

Replace "gay" with "black" in what DF said, make it about interracial marriage instead of gay marriage, and everyone would be updinging Frank and calling for DF's banning, walkback or not.

That last is a fact, and if this was 40 years ago I'd probably have thought it about black people. Major changes are hard for me. Still, that's not an excuse for me to speak hurtfully. I'm sorry I offended you, WUB, and will work to prevent a recurrence.

523 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 6:02:51pm
Gay marriage implies disruption of existing norms, and I find such changes painful. n on gay

yeah, okay, let me know when you're kicked out of the fucking military for loving the incorrect person, barred from adopting, signs are waved in your face telling you you're a fucking fag and you're of the devil, when there are organizations devoted to smearing and ruining the careers and lives of gay people in politics and education, barred from making end of life decisions for your partner.

I'll cry tears for your pain, I'll hold a candlelight vigil for you AND Newt Gingrich.

Being dragged behind a truck was the existing norm. My brother having a knife pulled on him merely for being the FRIEND of a gay classmate was the existing norm.

So yeah. You're damn right we're disrupting these norms.

524 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 6:08:35pm

re: #523 WindUpBird

yeah, okay, let me know when you're kicked out of the fucking military for loving the incorrect person, barred from adopting, signs are waved in your face telling you you're a fucking fag and you're of the devil, when there are organizations devoted to smearing and ruining the careers and lives of gay people in politics and education, barred from making end of life decisions for your partner.

I'll cry tears for your pain, I'll hold a candlelight vigil for you AND Newt Gingrich.

Being dragged behind a truck was the existing norm. My brother having a knife pulled on him merely for being the FRIEND of a gay classmate was the existing norm.

So yeah. You're damn right we're disrupting these norms.

Point taken.

525 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 6:13:17pm

re: #523 WindUpBird

But but You're a good spade!

526 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 6:16:57pm

re: #525 windsagio

But but You're a good spade!

If WUB stays mad at me, I understand why. It won't be the first bridge I thoughtlessly burned, but I hope it's the last.

527 windsagio  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 6:25:28pm

re: #526 Dark_Falcon

The point isn't you making friends with him, its you respecting the rights of homosexuals'

528 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 6:30:06pm

re: #526 Dark_Falcon

If WUB stays mad at me, I understand why. It won't be the first bridge I thoughtlessly burned, but I hope it's the last.


You have to come to your own conclusions about whether gays should actually be protected as full American citizens equal under the constitution, or whether they should be subject to discrimination and treated as an underclass. Apologizing to me means nothing.

529 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 6:31:10pm

re: #527 windsagio

The point isn't you making friends with him, its you respecting the rights of homosexuals'

And I do respect their rights. Norms don't justify hate crimes in my mind and I oppose attacking someone because they are gay vociferously. I defend gay people when gayness gets attacked at work or at home. I'm not sure about gay marriage, but I do not condone or accept anti-gay hate.

530 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 6:50:21pm

re: #351 WindUpBird

OH GOD THE TOP GEAR LIGHTNING REVIEW

SO. Funny.

"There's only one problem! IT'S RUBBISH."

The new Raptor is much cooler (and more useful)...love my '09 Altima sedan though.

531 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 7:23:38pm

re: #529 Dark_Falcon

And I do respect their rights. Norms don't justify hate crimes in my mind and I oppose attacking someone because they are gay vociferously. I defend gay people when gayness gets attacked at work or at home. I'm not sure about gay marriage, but I do not condone or accept anti-gay hate.

The problem Dark is that if you look at how the court decision around prop 8 was worded, it makes it clear that marriage is in of itself a basic human right which the people who advocate prop 8 could not find a valid reason to deny homosexuals.

Gay marriage is not a right in and of itself, getting married to another consenting adult is a right that gay people should have the same way anyone else does.

Thus in effect (not to try and sound down on you but tautologies work like this) if you don't respect/approve of homosexuals having the same rights as other people then in that particular area, you are failing to "respect the rights of homosexuals"

532 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 10:32:52pm

re: #530 talon_262

The new Raptor is much cooler (and more useful)...love my '09 Altima sedan though.

The Raptor is insane and awesome, a baja racer that you can get in a showroom!


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