Why I Left the Right, Exhibit A for Anti-Science

WingnutsAugust 2010 • Views: 4,587

A few days ago, US Senate Republican candidate Ron Johnson demonstrated once again the impenetrable ignorance and atavistic anti-science attitude that has utterly ruined the Republican Party, saying that any global warming can be explained away as “sunspots,” and that CO2 is harmless because “it’s sucked down by trees.” Democrats, Feingold poke fun at Ron Johnson.

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Mindless stupidity and hostility toward knowledge — the GOP’s new motto. Ron Johnson is simply expressing the views of the vast majority of this dying party. Yay, ignorance!

And then we have Glenn “Raving Freakazoid Creationist” Beck, blaming the Holocaust on Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution.

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116 comments

Jeff In Ohio Fri, Aug 20, 2010 2:46:20pm

Yay for the Dark Ages! pull up the drawbridge, boil he oil, here come the Secular Humanists!

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Aug 20, 2010 2:47:42pm

I think Darwin is responsible for global warming too. After all technology "evolved" and now is responsible for unleashing more of that CO2, err I mean plant food, into the atmosphere and that's the real cause of global warming.

Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Fri, Aug 20, 2010 2:47:43pm

You know, when Feingold and Franken are making the most sense, It's a wonder how the Republican party is going to do anything this election year. But they're still going to, and we all know why.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Aug 20, 2010 2:48:00pm

My standard response to "CO2 is harmless because trees suck it down" canard is to point to the 0:50 mark of this video:

Youtube Video

Too much of a good thing, eh?

deranged cat Fri, Aug 20, 2010 2:51:25pm

charles, do you have a compilation of all your "why i left the right" posts? i'd be interested in reading all those!

DaddyG Fri, Aug 20, 2010 2:52:01pm

I don't know how Glenn Beck reconciles a strong creationist stance with Mormon doctrine? He is sounding more and more like a hard right evangelical all the time. Yeah we’ve got a few in each congregation (Birchers and conspiracy fans) but they are decidedly a fringe group.

The LDS Church does not take a hard stand vis a vis the specifics of creation (what is metaphor and literal in the scriptures, etc.) Several decades ago some of the leadership of the church were having public debates on the subject until the President of the church told them in effect “knock it off! Debates over evolution are not germane to our salvation and teaching of Jesus Christ”. (-bad paraphrase but you get the idea).

If there is no room in a faith to take in new data and adjust theories and understanding than I question the strength of that faith.

Obdicut Fri, Aug 20, 2010 2:54:24pm

Personally, I blame the Nazis for the Holocaust.

I'm weird like that.

Political Atheist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 2:55:16pm

re: #5 deranged cat

Try this link, its a good start

Lidane Fri, Aug 20, 2010 2:55:46pm

Speaking of anti-science:

Every GOP NH Senate Candidate Is A Global Warming Denier

Taqyia2Me Fri, Aug 20, 2010 2:56:27pm

re: #7 Obdicut

Personally, I blame the Nazis for the Holocaust.

I'm weird like that.

Heh. By weird, of course, you mean sane.

Gus Fri, Aug 20, 2010 2:56:48pm

Glenn Beck is a moron.

Full stop.

Randy W. Weeks Fri, Aug 20, 2010 2:57:17pm

Unfortunately this "dying party" will be in control of Congress after the fall elections.

I'm so looking forward to that. (/ x a bajillion)

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Aug 20, 2010 2:57:28pm

Here's what I don't understand. Let's pretend there is some merit to Rep. Johnson's 'observation' that the current warming trends are due to 'natural causes' only, and not at all 'man made'.

If one believes that, why would they then not be in favor of taking measures to ensure that we do not exacerbate the warming trend?

deranged cat Fri, Aug 20, 2010 2:57:37pm

re: #8 Rightwingconspirator

haha! i didnt think of that! thank you so much. im sorry for sounding dumb up there. WOO READING TIME!

researchok Fri, Aug 20, 2010 2:59:30pm

re: #7 Obdicut

Personally, I blame the Nazis for the Holocaust.

I'm weird like that.

Clearly, your kind of nuance is out of touch with reality.

Obdicut Fri, Aug 20, 2010 2:59:47pm

This country became great because of science. It has remained great because of science.

Being anti-science is being anti-American. Our wealth, prestige, power, and military might all stem from technology and science.

The GOP cannot possibly claim to be the party of national security or of foreign policy while campaigning against science.

researchok Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:00:38pm

re: #16 Obdicut

This country became great because of science. It has remained great because of science.

Being anti-science is being anti-American. Our wealth, prestige, power, and military might all stem from technology and science.

The GOP cannot possibly claim to be the party of national security or of foreign policy while campaigning against science.

Well said.

Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:02:14pm

re: #13 Slumbering Behemoth

Here's what I don't understand. Let's pretend there is some merit to Rep. Johnson's 'observation' that the current warming trends are due to 'natural causes' only, and not at all 'man made'.

If one believes that, why would they then not be in favor of taking measures to ensure that we do not exacerbate the warming trend?

Because, by that logic, we have *no* power to stop the climate chance, since it's all from natural causes. therefore we don't have to do anything or worry about it. it's going to happen anyway.

It's a great way to prevent action by claiming all action is useless anyway.

It's a fascinating look into the psyche of those who would view us powerless to affect the world. Or would want us to be powerless to affect the world in this way so they can keep us from doing anything that would be inconvenient to their life or lifestyle.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:02:25pm

OT: I'm out. Got a big BBQ tomorrow to get ready for. Before I split, I would like to draw your attention to this great speech about not being a dick...

Dr. Phil Plait of Bad Astronomy - Don't Be a Dick

Laters all.

Political Atheist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:02:46pm

re: #16 Obdicut

This country became great because of science. It has remained great because of science.

Being anti-science is being anti-American. Our wealth, prestige, power, and military might all stem from technology and science.

The GOP cannot possibly claim to be the party of national security or of foreign policy while campaigning against science.

These guys remind me of the WTO "anti globalization" protesters that smashed windows to steal the latest in cell phones and electronics. Or the anarchists that carefully organized to harass the police during the Los Angeles DNC. Not quite true to principles.

Gus Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:03:23pm

re: #7 Obdicut

Personally, I blame the Nazis for the Holocaust.

I'm weird like that.

It's typical Beck and/or wingnut stupidity. According to Beck "liberals promote Darwin and since Darwinism led to the 3rd Reich (Nazi Germany) therefore liberals are really Nazis." Darwinism of course led to a lot of things beyond his control after his death. What Beck is doing is like blaming the Wright Brothers for Stuka dive bombers.

Political Atheist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:05:16pm

Okay so we got 36 people on this thread. How many of you are more in support of the cultural center in the old Burlington building now than when the controversy was first manufactured,
uh I mean when it surfaced.
:)

jamesfirecat Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:05:49pm

re: #3 bloodstar

You know, when Feingold and Franken are making the most sense, It's a wonder how the Republican party is going to do anything this election year. But they're still going to, and we all know why.

Because they f***ed up the economy under Bush hard enough that Barrack hasn't been able to fix it (also thanks to their unprecedented levels of obstructionism in the Senate) in only two years and so the American Public will strive to further undermine my faith in them by deciding a change is a good as holiday and let the people who got us in this mess (or at least people who have the same basic plan that didn't work back in 200) back into power?

wrenchwench Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:07:10pm

"...far more likely that it's just sunspot activity or something just in the geologic eons of time..."

He sounds like Sarah Palin.

Jeff In Ohio Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:13:24pm

re: #20 Rightwingconspirator

Or the anarchists that carefully organized to harass the police during the Los Angeles DNC. Not quite true to principles.

Anarchy is not chaos, or shouldn't be. Emma Goldman, at her turn of the last century best:

Anarchism is the only philosophy which brings to man the consciousness of himself; which maintains that God, the State, and society are non-existent, that their promises are null and void, since they can be fulfilled only through man's subordination. Anarchism is therefore the teacher of the unity of life; not merely in nature, but in man.

There have been a few Anarchic communities in history, all of them highly organized. It's like the Bob Dylan quote "To live outside the law, you must be honest." Like most 19th century political philosophy movements, Anarchism was a way of contradicting and confronting industrialism and has been eclipse by history. To confront globalism with the same social vigor is like putting a rock in a river and expecting the water to stop. It just flows elsewhere.

Rock throwing Black Guard types are petty criminals, nothing more.

Stanghazi Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:14:20pm

re: #22 Rightwingconspirator

Okay so we got 36 people on this thread. How many of you are more in support of the cultural center in the old Burlington building now than when the controversy was first manufactured,
uh I mean when it surfaced.
:)

I was always in support, but yes, that support has increased exponentially due to the outrage. Doubt I'm alone.

Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:15:47pm

re: #22 Rightwingconspirator

Okay so we got 36 people on this thread. How many of you are more in support of the cultural center in the old Burlington building now than when the controversy was first manufactured,
uh I mean when it surfaced.
:)

I've seen all across the country more and more people join the chorus of dissenters against the mosque, both from the right and the left, and various people I would have never thought would have come out against it... and considering the reactions... I'm more in favor of seeing this pushed forward than I ever was

Political Atheist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:15:51pm

I'm reading the Time piece-
Is America Islamophobic?
Let me quote some numbers-
Would you favor or oppose a mosque in your neighborhood? 55% Favor 34% Oppose 10% dunno
Would you say most US Muslims are patriotic Americans
55% Yes 25% No 21% dunno
Of course we also have the more famous numbers- The mosque "near" ground zero
26% Favor 61% Opposed 13% Dunno

Two of three are sigs we need not give up, we need to step up and promote what we know is right.

Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:17:40pm

re: #25 Jeff In Ohio

Anarchy is not chaos, or shouldn't be. Emma Goldman, at her turn of the last century best:

There have been a few Anarchic communities in history, all of them highly organized. It's like the Bob Dylan quote "To live outside the law, you must be honest." Like most 19th century political philosophy movements, Anarchism was a way of contradicting and confronting industrialism and has been eclipse by history. To confront globalism with the same social vigor is like putting a rock in a river and expecting the water to stop. It just flows elsewhere.

Rock throwing Black Guard types are petty criminals, nothing more.

Anarchic communities. How long did they last?

Anarchism as a theory is fun for the whole family. As a practice, it is doomed from the outset.

Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:19:19pm

re: #28 Rightwingconspirator

I'm reading the Time piece-
Is America Islamophobic?
Let me quote some numbers-
Would you favor or oppose a mosque in your neighborhood? 55% Favor 34% Oppose 10% dunno
Would you say most US Muslims are patriotic Americans
55% Yes 25% No 21% dunno
Of course we also have the more famous numbers- The mosque "near" ground zero
26% Favor 61% Opposed 13% Dunno

Two of three are sigs we need not give up, we need to step up and promote what we know is right.

What the hell is a "sigs?"

Jeff In Ohio Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:19:51pm

re: #29 Cato the Elder

Not long, eventual people need to work and eat :). People think consensus decision making is the road to utopian community. It's really just a pretext for banging your head on the wall.

Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:20:49pm

re: #25 Jeff In Ohio

Anarchy is not chaos, or shouldn't be. Emma Goldman, at her turn of the last century best:

There have been a few Anarchic communities in history, all of them highly organized. It's like the Bob Dylan quote "To live outside the law, you must be honest." Like most 19th century political philosophy movements, Anarchism was a way of contradicting and confronting industrialism and has been eclipse by history. To confront globalism with the same social vigor is like putting a rock in a river and expecting the water to stop. It just flows elsewhere.

Rock throwing Black Guard types are petty criminals, nothing more.

Anarchism is a fundamentally destructive philosophy. It's all about tearing down the existing societal structure.

zora Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:23:30pm

re: #22 Rightwingconspirator

Okay so we got 36 people on this thread. How many of you are more in support of the cultural center in the old Burlington building now than when the controversy was first manufactured,
uh I mean when it surfaced.
:)

I am supportive of the community center and was from the beginning. My family and friends that were opposed to the building of the center all believed that there was a mosque being built at ground zero. Upon hearing the truth about the nature of the center and location of Park 51 they appeared to have a change of heart. Finding out that bigots started the whole controversy sealed the deal. Most asked question was "Why does the news keep calling it a ground zero mosque?". My response "because they are lazy, liars and/or assholes".

Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:23:36pm

re: #29 Cato the Elder

Anarchic communities. How long did they last?

Anarchism as a theory is fun for the whole family. As a practice, it is doomed from the outset.

That's just what an anarchist would say.

Political Atheist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:25:22pm

Required reading for perspective... Our history of intolerance in America. Even before we were America. A wonderful piece by Time Magazine online
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Political Atheist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:26:00pm

re: #30 Walter L. Newton

Sorry PIMF

signs

Jack Burton Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:26:33pm

re: #22 Rightwingconspirator

Okay so we got 36 people on this thread. How many of you are more in support of the cultural center in the old Burlington building now than when the controversy was first manufactured,
uh I mean when it surfaced.
:)

When it first surfaced, I smelled BS when they were saying "Ground Zero". As for the real location when I figured it out I didn't really give a tinker's damn. Now, after all the bullshit related to it... I think the place must be built, and I'm almost to the point of donating money.

RadicalModerate Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:27:33pm

Right when I think that I can't get shocked anymore by the ravings of the wingnuts, there's always someone out there to prove me wrong.

KUHNER: Obama's Islamic agenda

President Obama has revealed his true nature. After 20 months in the Oval Office, he still remained a largely unknown figure. A picture is coming into focus now, and it should trouble all Americans. It is widely known that Mr. Obama is a post-national progressive. Yet he is also a cultural Muslim who is promoting an anti-American, pro-Islamic agenda. This is the real meaning of his warm - and completely needless - embrace of the Ground Zero Mosque.

TedStriker Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:28:18pm

re: #12 LoneStarSpur

Unfortunately this "dying party" will be in control of Congress after the fall elections.

I'm so looking forward to that. (/ x a bajillion)

The GOP may gain some seats, but you might want to think again if you think (or hope) that the GOP will take control of the House and Senate this fall.

Things aren't so bad for America to hand off the reins of Congress to the batshit loons.

Jeff In Ohio Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:29:03pm

re: #32 Alouette

At best, that's an over simplification. As a revolutionary tactic, you are mostly correct. As a political and community organizing philosophy, see below.

re: #29 Cato the Elder

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:30:12pm

re: #22 Rightwingconspirator

Okay so we got 36 people on this thread. How many of you are more in support of the cultural center in the old Burlington building now than when the controversy was first manufactured,
uh I mean when it surfaced.
:)

I'm really in about the same place. But even more disgusted with certain RWR-in-the-news than when we began.

Political Atheist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:31:06pm

And I had thought we had progressed. Maybe not so much. I am quite bothered by all this today. Really pissed.

1938
On Nov. 20, Father Charles Coughlin, a Catholic priest, delivers an anti-Semitic radio address, "Persecution—Jewish and Christian," that defends Nazi violence.
1942
FDR signs an executive order establishing "exclusion zones," which lead to the forced internment of some 110,000 Japanese and Japanese-Americans.
FDR of all people!!!
August 2010
"GOP"

Need I say more?

Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:31:09pm

re: #36 Rightwingconspirator

Sorry PIMF

signs

Oh... I thought is was an abbreviation for something. Sorry, I didn't know it was a spelling error.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:32:24pm

re: #25 Jeff In Ohio

Anarchy is not chaos, or shouldn't be. Emma Goldman, at her turn of the last century best:

There have been a few Anarchic communities in history, all of them highly organized. It's like the Bob Dylan quote "To live outside the law, you must be honest." Like most 19th century political philosophy movements, Anarchism was a way of contradicting and confronting industrialism and has been eclipse by history. To confront globalism with the same social vigor is like putting a rock in a river and expecting the water to stop. It just flows elsewhere.

Rock throwing Black Guard types are petty criminals, nothing more.

Black Bloc really likes the idea of being anarchists, but most of them don't understand the philosophy. There are some adult anarchists still around--a group of them play soccer against a local socialist team, or did some years ago.

Jeff In Ohio Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:33:23pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

anarchist, nihilist, spring break, moms not home...it's all so confusing when your young,

Political Atheist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:34:43pm

re: #43 Walter L. Newton

Oh... I thought is was an abbreviation for something. Sorry, I didn't know it was a spelling error.

My bad anyway. And I am really happy with the position of this blog on this, along with many of our people here.

Romantic Heretic Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:35:50pm

re: #12 LoneStarSpur

Unfortunately this "dying party" will be in control of Congress after the fall elections.

I'm so looking forward to that. (/ x a bajillion)

Going to my happy place now.

abolitionist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:36:02pm

Sunspots are cooler than the rest of the sun's surface, no? I think it reasonable to argue that if sunspots were in any way related to warming of Earth, the mechanism would have to be something else than their mere presence, other things being equal.

kellygrrrl Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:37:16pm

BITTER QUITTER TWITS unite!

Dr. Laura has friended Sarah on her Facebook and left this comment:

"On Wednesday, in her Tweet and Facebook, Sarah Palin made strong statements in my support. You may remember that, two years ago, I was less than enthusiastic when she was selected by John McCain to be his running mate, as my concerns were that having responsibilities for small children should preclude such a decision.

In spite of my criticism at that time, Sarah Palin came out in support of my decision to move on..

I spoke with her yesterday and told her how impressed I was with her character. You don’t see such character much these days. I believe most folks would have had a more negative approach considering I had not been supportive at that time. But, nope, not Sarah. She is gracious and a woman of principles – no petty reaction.

She and I have a lot in common. We both find ourselves on the receiving end of vitriolic partisan attacks. We both made huge changes in our lives to be able to protect the people we love and have a freer context in which to try to help America’s families.

By the way, we had to end our conversation after a few minutes because she had to get her kidlet off to first day at school. Seriously adorable moment."

Embracing the Kiss of Death. Maybe she can get Dick Cheney to endorse her next

Gus Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:37:43pm

re: #45 Jeff In Ohio

anarchist, nihilist, spring break, moms not home...it's all so confusing when your young,

The concept becomes frightening to them when they realize that Volkswagen would close shop and they wouldn't be able to buy Ipads under a global anarchist system. It sort of reminds me of whenever someone sails across the oceans in a sailboat made of recycled materials only to learn that it was constructed using high tech and technologically advanced processes and the boat is also laden with the most sophisticated navigational equipment yet they still make it sound like "they roughed it" across the high seas.

Jack Burton Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:38:21pm

re: #48 abolitionist

Sunspots are cooler than the rest of the sun's surface, no? I think it reasonable to argue that if sunspots were in any way related to warming of Earth, the mechanism would have to be something else than their mere presence, other things being equal.

I think that when there are more sunspots, there is more solar surface activity, more solar wind, and more coronal mass ejections. Not that those necessarily have shit to do with GW.

Walter L. Newton Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:38:38pm

re: #46 Rightwingconspirator

My bad anyway. And I am really happy with the position of this blog on this, along with many of our people here.

Don't celebrate too soon, this issue, along with the support the GOP is getting from sources outside of their political sphere, is going to put them over the top in the elections of Nov. 2010.

sallieparker Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:39:14pm

Used to make a point of dining out at a vaguely Islamic restaurant every 9-11. Me and a like-minded friend. We felt the Moslems were badly done by. Sometimes we ate at Paki or Afghan but we preferred Ethopian...which sort-of qualifies. That was a few years ago. We were lone voices in the wilderness.

Now I've done a 180. I am sickantard of whiny Moslems asking to be put on the same footing with Christianity in the West. I mean, we can barely stomach the outrage of 'Judaeo-Christian whatever' as it is. The West is not Moslem; its culture is not Moslem; its art is not Moslem (Moslems only have abstract, non-representational, non-three-dimensional drawing), its languages are not Moslem.

I continue to be a friend to Islamic peoples, but this mosque-cum-community-center is nothing but a sick provocation. Baah.

Gus Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:40:56pm

Oh boy.

jaunte Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:41:18pm

re: #53 sallieparker

So you're in the 'sickantard' camp, rather than the support for constitutional principles camp.

sallieparker Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:41:31pm

re: #42 Rightwingconspirator

And I had thought we had progressed. Maybe not so much. I am quite bothered by all this today. Really pissed.

1938
On Nov. 20, Father Charles Coughlin, a Catholic priest, delivers an anti-Semitic radio address, "Persecution—Jewish and Christian," that defends Nazi violence.
1942
FDR signs an executive order establishing "exclusion zones," which lead to the forced internment of some 110,000 Japanese and Japanese-Americans.
FDR of all people!!!
August 2010
"GOP"

Need I say more?

Rubbish. This is part of an old smear against Fr. Coughlin. I notice you can't actually cite any quotations or details. The anti-Coughlin campaign didn't begin in earnest till after he died 30 years ago and could no longer sue!

Gus Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:42:10pm

re: #56 sallieparker

You're defending Father Coughlin?

Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:42:39pm

re: #56 sallieparker

Rubbish. This is part of an old smear against Fr. Coughlin. I notice you can't actually cite any quotations or details. The anti-Coughlin campaign didn't begin in earnest till after he died 30 years ago and could no longer sue!

Are you insane?

You're going to defend Father Coughlin?

Another sleeper awakes, to defend hatred and bigotry.

sallieparker Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:42:54pm

re: #55 jaunte

Okay, pal. Tell me about the Constitution and the Moslems behind it. The Constitution does not require a Cultural Center for ever sect that demands it, wheresoever they demand it.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:43:19pm

re: #49 kellygrrrl

BITTER QUITTER TWITS unite!

Dr. Laura has friended Sarah on her Facebook and left this comment:

"On Wednesday, in her Tweet and Facebook, Sarah Palin made strong statements in my support. You may remember that, two years ago, I was less than enthusiastic when she was selected by John McCain to be his running mate, as my concerns were that having responsibilities for small children should preclude such a decision.

In spite of my criticism at that time, Sarah Palin came out in support of my decision to move on..

I spoke with her yesterday and told her how impressed I was with her character. You don’t see such character much these days. I believe most folks would have had a more negative approach considering I had not been supportive at that time. But, nope, not Sarah. She is gracious and a woman of principles – no petty reaction.

She and I have a lot in common. We both find ourselves on the receiving end of vitriolic partisan attacks. We both made huge changes in our lives to be able to protect the people we love and have a freer context in which to try to help America’s families.

By the way, we had to end our conversation after a few minutes because she had to get her kidlet off to first day at school. Seriously adorable moment."

Embracing the Kiss of Death. Maybe she can get Dick Cheney to endorse her next

I'm going to break something.

Jeff In Ohio Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:43:36pm

re: #53 sallieparker

SIck provocation? Projection much?

sallieparker Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:43:41pm

re: #57 Gus 802

Good man. A true soldier of The Faith. A Canadian, but there was never a better American.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:44:09pm

re: #56 sallieparker

Rubbish. This is part of an old smear against Fr. Coughlin. I notice you can't actually cite any quotations or details. The anti-Coughlin campaign didn't begin in earnest till after he died 30 years ago and could no longer sue!

"You know, the Ku Klux Klan was smeared, they were really misunderstood..."

Jeff In Ohio Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:44:18pm

re: #59 sallieparker

Why are all the sociopaths on the Internet so stupid?

Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:44:20pm

re: #62 sallieparker

That will be enough out of you. Get off my website.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:44:56pm

re: #53 sallieparker

Used to make a point of dining out at a vaguely Islamic restaurant every 9-11. Me and a like-minded friend. We felt the Moslems were badly done by. Sometimes we ate at Paki or Afghan but we preferred Ethopian...which sort-of qualifies. That was a few years ago. We were lone voices in the wilderness.

Now I've done a 180. I am sickantard of whiny Moslems asking to be put on the same footing with Christianity in the West. I mean, we can barely stomach the outrage of 'Judaeo-Christian whatever' as it is. The West is not Moslem; its culture is not Moslem; its art is not Moslem (Moslems only have abstract, non-representational, non-three-dimensional drawing), its languages are not Moslem.

I continue to be a friend to Islamic peoples, but this mosque-cum-community-center is nothing but a sick provocation. Baah.

I don't entirely know where to begin.

Good grief.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:45:02pm

re: #62 sallieparker

Good man. A true soldier of The Faith. A Canadian, but there was never a better American.

haha you're going to be a barrel of laughs here, I can tell

I love a crazy!

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:45:09pm

re: #65 Charles

That will be enough out of you. Get off my website.

or not

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:46:13pm

re: #64 Jeff In Ohio

Why are all the sociopaths on the Internet so stupid?

Could be stupid, could be a troll. Either way, Sallieparker? I barely knew her!

jaunte Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:46:21pm

re: #59 sallieparker

The Muslims are hiding under your bed. Stay watchful!

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:46:27pm

re: #56 sallieparker

Rubbish. This is part of an old smear against Fr. Coughlin. I notice you can't actually cite any quotations or details. The anti-Coughlin campaign didn't begin in earnest till after he died 30 years ago and could no longer sue!

OK, lady. I've seen McCarthy defenders here, and Pinochet defenders here, but are you honest to God a COUGHLIN supporter? 'Cause that's new, and I get a different-colored sticker in my collector's book if you're for real.

/Some people birdwatch. I wingnutwatch.

Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:47:16pm

I've never seen a Father Coughlin defender before. It's like watching shit come to life.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:47:18pm

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, lady. I've seen McCarthy defenders here, and Pinochet defenders here, but are you honest to God a COUGHLIN supporter? 'Cause that's new, and I get a different-colored sticker in my collector's book if you're for real.

/Some people birdwatch. I wingnutwatch.

If it walks like a troll, smells like a troll, takes stinky dumps on blogs like a troll...

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:47:32pm

re: #59 sallieparker

Okay, pal. Tell me about the Constitution and the Moslems behind it. The Constitution does not require a Cultural Center for ever sect that demands it, wheresoever they demand it.

The Constitution gives the same right to each sect to build a community center if they can afford it, and get their local zoning board to approve it.

reine.de.tout Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:47:36pm

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, lady. I've seen McCarthy defenders here, and Pinochet defenders here, but are you honest to God a COUGHLIN supporter? 'Cause that's new, and I get a different-colored sticker in my collector's book if you're for real.

/Some people birdwatch. I wingnutwatch.

Catch up SFZ.
It's gone.

Gus Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:47:55pm

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, lady. I've seen McCarthy defenders here, and Pinochet defenders here, but are you honest to God a COUGHLIN supporter? 'Cause that's new, and I get a different-colored sticker in my collector's book if you're for real.

/Some people birdwatch. I wingnutwatch.

We should mark this on the calender. Aug 20, 2010, a "sallieparker" comes to the defense of Father Coughlin. A first in LGF history.

jaunte Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:48:08pm

Sickandtard is the new brain damage.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:48:08pm

re: #62 sallieparker

Good man. A true soldier of The Faith. A Canadian, but there was never a better American.

My first one! I'm so proud.

reine.de.tout Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:48:38pm

re: #77 jaunte

Sickandtard is the new brain damage.

I hate it when someone takes a perfectly good phrase . . . .

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:49:00pm

re: #65 Charles

That will be enough out of you. Get off my website.

Come on, Charles! I want to hear more about how she was a lone voice in the wilderness who defended Muslims by going out for Ethiopian food on 9/11!

Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:49:21pm

re: #31 Jeff In Ohio

Not long, eventual people need to work and eat :). People think consensus decision making is the road to utopian community. It's really just a pretext for banging your head on the wall.

Well said.

And then there's always the factor of the strong personalities taking over the meetings.

I suppose Anarchy might stand a better chance if it were run by Robert's Rules of Order. Now there would be a fun contradiction in terms!

Gus Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:50:01pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist

Come on, Charles! I want to hear more about how she was a lone voice in the wilderness who defended Muslims by going out for Ethiopian food on 9/11!

Maybe she got sickantard of eating with her hands.

Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:50:31pm

re: #32 Alouette

Anarchism is a fundamentally destructive philosophy. It's all about tearing down the existing societal structure.

In some societies, that would at least be a positive start.

Romantic Heretic Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:51:07pm

re: #58 Charles

Are you insane?

In all probability.

Gus Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:51:23pm

Ethiopia happens to be 63 percent Christian -- the majority religion in that country.

allegro Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:52:39pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

There are some adult anarchists still around--a group of them play soccer against a local socialist team, or did some years ago.

Do they play by the rules?

Jeff In Ohio Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:53:02pm

re: #81 Cato the Elder

Heh. My youngest kis goes to Waldorf School where the teachers use consensus for all pedagogical and administrative decisions. Real consensus breaks down with strong personalities as those in admiration fall in line and those who just want to go home agree. It's infuriating and infantile all at once.

Jack Burton Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:53:22pm

Am I going mad or did someone just actually defend Father Coughlin? Here? Is it furlough day at the funny farm?

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:53:25pm

re: #82 Gus 802

Maybe she got sickantard of eating with her hands.

/

Never mind that the owners were probably Christians.

Gus Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:53:54pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

Never mind that the owners were probably Christians.

Yep. Duh-e!

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:53:55pm

re: #86 allegro

Do they play by the rules?

There are lots of jokes, about that, but yes. They have black jerseys, the socialists play in red.

Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:55:02pm

re: #53 sallieparker

Used to make a point of dining out at a vaguely Islamic restaurant every 9-11. Me and a like-minded friend. We felt the Moslems were badly done by. Sometimes we ate at Paki or Afghan but we preferred Ethopian...which sort-of qualifies. That was a few years ago. We were lone voices in the wilderness.

Now I've done a 180. I am sickantard of whiny Moslems asking to be put on the same footing with Christianity in the West. I mean, we can barely stomach the outrage of 'Judaeo-Christian whatever' as it is. The West is not Moslem; its culture is not Moslem; its art is not Moslem (Moslems only have abstract, non-representational, non-three-dimensional drawing), its languages are not Moslem.

I continue to be a friend to Islamic peoples, but this mosque-cum-community-center is nothing but a sick provocation. Baah.

You know less about Islamic art than you think. The miniature as an art form was developed in Muslim countries.

As for the rest of your comments, you don't so much think as stink.

Four More Tears Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:56:02pm

Does anyone else think "Ron Johnson" would make an excellent name for a pornstar?

Jimmah Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:57:58pm

re: #4 Slumbering Behemoth

My standard response to "CO2 is harmless because trees suck it down" canard is to point to the 0:50 mark of this video:

[Video]Too much of a good thing, eh?

Next they'll be telling us that air can be dangerous.

Youtube Video

Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:58:18pm

re: #87 Jeff In Ohio

Heh. My youngest kis goes to Waldorf School where the teachers use consensus for all pedagogical and administrative decisions. Real consensus breaks down with strong personalities as those in admiration fall in line and those who just want to go home agree. It's infuriating and infantile all at once.

Reminds one of the jury system, in a way, doesn't it?

Nimed Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:02:39pm

re: #32 Alouette

Anarchism is a fundamentally destructive philosophy. It's all about tearing down the existing societal structure.

That's not accurate. Most Anarchisms (there are a lot of brands, and it's almost always anarcho-something) advocate the destruction of the State. The philosophies are not inherently destructive, and they advocate "tearing down the existing societal structure" as much as any other way of organizing society.

Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:05:51pm

re: #53 sallieparker

Buried in your insane little rant is this glittering gem:

Now I've done a 180. I am sickantard of whiny Moslems asking to be put on the same footing with Christianity in the West. I mean, we can barely stomach the outrage of 'Judaeo-Christian whatever' as it is.

So, folks, here we have an apparent Catholic who denies that Judaism is the soil, root, and bedrock foundation of her religion. She can barely stomach it.

You know who else didn't like Jews? Father Coughlin.

tnguitarist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:06:28pm

re: #93 JasonA

Does anyone else think "Ron Johnson" would make an excellent name for a pornstar?

Rod Johnson

Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:07:36pm

WTF, I go and do some work only to come back and find a Father Coughlin defender? Is this for real? Not many even know the name.

There really are only three types who do.

1. Those who really know some history.

2. Jews who know some history of anti-semitism

3. People who like him

Dear G-d. The raving freakish nuts are coming out in full bloom. That was not some casual little racist. That was hardcore.

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jaunte Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:09:30pm

re: #99 LudwigVanQuixote

And also: 4. Trolling loser just 'entertaining' themselves

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:10:04pm

As for the main topic of this thread, Feynman said it better than I ever could:

No government has the right to decide on the truth of scientific principles, nor to prescribe in any way the character of the questions investigated. Neither may a government determine the aesthetic value of artistic creations, nor limit the forms of literacy or artistic expression. Nor should it pronounce on the validity of economic, historic, religious, or philosophical doctrines. Instead it has a duty to its citizens to maintain the freedom, to let those citizens contribute to the further adventure and the development of the human race.

-Richard Feynman

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Four More Tears Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:10:05pm

re: #99 LudwigVanQuixote

WTF, I go and do some work only to come back and find a Father Coughlin defender? Is this for real? Not many even know the name.

There really are only three types who do.

1. Those who really know some history.

2. Jews who know some history of anti-semitism

3. People who like him

Dear G-d. The raving freakish nuts are coming out in full bloom. That was not some casual little racist. That was hardcore.

That person was hiding in the bushes a long time until that came up. Interesting to see what topics push people's buttons.

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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:10:06pm

I looked at her website, linked in her nic. All it says is "sweetness and light". How inappropriate.

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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:14:18pm

re: #99 LudwigVanQuixote

WTF, I go and do some work only to come back and find a Father Coughlin defender? Is this for real? Not many even know the name.

There really are only three types who do.

1. Those who really know some history.

2. Jews who know some history of anti-semitism

3. People who like him

Dear G-d. The raving freakish nuts are coming out in full bloom. That was not some casual little racist. That was hardcore.

Or maybe she just admired the natty cut of his cassocks.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:20:47pm

re: #100 jaunte

And also: 4. Trolling loser just 'entertaining' themselves

Yeah, but that isn't just any troll. A random web douche would be unlikely to know the name.

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TedStriker Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:29:42pm

re: #53 sallieparker

sd t mk pnt f dnng t t vgl slmc rstrnt vr -. M nd lk-mndd frnd. W flt th Mslms wr bdl dn b. Smtms w t t Pk r fghn bt w prfrrd thpn...whch srt-f qlfs. Tht ws fw yrs g. W wr ln vcs n th wldrnss. Nw 'v dn . m sckntrd f whn Mslms skng t b pt n th sm ftng wth Chrstnt n th Wst. mn, w cn brl stmch th trg f 'Jd-Chrstn whtvr' s t s. Th Wst s nt Mslm; ts cltr s nt Mslm; ts rt s nt Mslm (Mslms nl hv bstrct, nn-rprsnttnl, nn-thr-dmnsnl drwng), ts lnggs r nt Mslm. cntn t b frnd t slmc ppls, bt ths msq-cm-cmmnt-cntr s nthng bt sck prvctn. Bh.

I detect the distinct smell of bullshit from your post...and you have the unnerving gall later on down the thread to defend that execrable bigot/anti-Semite/xenophobe "Father" Coughlin.

/don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, with Stinky's bootprint on your rear end...

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TedStriker Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:33:07pm

re: #62 sallieparker

Gd mn. tr sldr f Th Fth. Cndn, bt thr ws nvr bttr mrcn.

Un-fucking-believable...

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Steve Dutch Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:01:26pm

"Sunspots are cooler than the rest of the sun's surface, no? I think it reasonable to argue that if sunspots were in any way related to warming of Earth, the mechanism would have to be something else than their mere presence, other things being equal."

Hate to inject actual science here, but there are also bright filament regions on the sun called faculae, and those increase during sunspot maxima, so the luminosity of the sun actually increases a bit. Sunspots are cooler than the sun, which is why they look dark, so they do decrease the sun's luminosity, but faculae more than make up for it. Of course, as we approach a new sunspot peak, the anti-AGW kooks will have a ready made excuse for any warm spell.

As for Darwin and evolution, the English translation of Mein Kampf uses the word "evolution" twelve times, always in the sense of cultural or historical development, never in the biological sense. It never refers to the evolution of other organisms, and Darwin is not mentioned at all. Elapsed time, one minute to find Mein Kampf in English, five minutes to download, four to do a word search. Elapsed time, ten minutes. It's not like this is hard to debunk.

The German word is "Entwicklung," usually translated "development." It is used many more times in Mein Kampf but in all other cases is translated "development." Elapsed time a bit longer, mostly the learning German part.

Fun idea: next time someone brings up the connection between evolution and the Holocaust, ask him where the Jews are now, the ones that died in the Holocaust. If they're in Heaven, he's admitting that you can get to Heaven without being a Christian. If he says they're in Hell, ask him why evolution is bad for causing the Holocaust, but he's okay with worshiping a God who condemns them to Hell after they went through the Holocaust. If he says he's not happy about it, but that's the way things are, then he's "just following orders," right? Ought to be fun.

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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:18:05pm

re: #108 SteveDutch

Brilliant!

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abolitionist Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:34:25pm

re: #108 SteveDutch

Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I'm aware that some areas near sunspots are sometimes brighter than normal. That's why I weasel-worded my comment with other things being equal.

I followed your link. I had an inkling into plate tectonics about 1955 or so (3rd grade), and noticed on a globe that the east coast of South America resembled the west coast of Africa. Of course, my teacher told me that idea was wrong.

More recently, I've come to suspect that the thermal convection currents within the earth may play some role in warming/cooling of Earth. Major up-currents may be sometimes under continents, and other times under ocean floors. Doubt there's even any scientific study underway anywhere on that, however.

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Synesius Fri, Aug 20, 2010 7:12:33pm

Jz. 'm stmpd. Scntsts clm tht th ssntlly lnr wrmng trnd tht bgn rnd 1800 (sv fr slght dp frm 1940-1970) s csd by nthrpgnc grnhs gss. Th fct tht Jms Wtt ddn't nvnt hs nfrnl ngn ntl 1835 nd GG's ddn't mnt t sqt ntl 1930 r s dsn't bthr thm, bt GG's r th bst xplntn fr th wrmng trnd (th lst hlf f t nywy) s skptcs mst b dmwttd fndmntlst rlgs dts. gss t mks sns.

LGF hs bcm rthr sd fssl f smthng nc grt. chck t nc mnth nd stll slt Chrls fr hs rl n dsrptng th Bsh/r Ntnl Grd hx. wsh Chrls wll nd hp h rcvrs.

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freetoken Fri, Aug 20, 2010 7:19:03pm

re: #111 Synesius

Scientists claim that the essentially linear warming trend that began around 1800 (save for a slight dip from 1940-1970) is caused by anthropogenic greenhouse gases.

Both false and fallacious (strawman.)

During the 20th century, what has been determined is that anthropogenic actions have been the largest contributor to climate change, not the only one.

And, while gases are the major contributor, both land use and aerosols (black carbon) contribute too.

Coming in here and spouting fallacies isn't very impressive to people who actually know something about the subject.

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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 20, 2010 7:26:13pm

re: #111 Synesius

I'm sick and tired of anti-science liars, and with that comment I bid you adieu.

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Ojoe Fri, Aug 20, 2010 8:00:15pm

What are we going to do when the GOP - crazy as it is - makes big gains this November?

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BongCrodny Fri, Aug 20, 2010 10:07:46pm

re: #97 Cato the Elder

Buried in your insane little rant is this glittering gem:

So, folks, here we have an apparent Catholic who denies that Judaism is the soil, root, and bedrock foundation of her religion. She can barely stomach it.

You know who else didn't like Jews? Father Coughlin.

"When we get through with the Jews in America, they’ll think the treatment they received in Germany was nothing." -- Fr. Coughlin

I just can't imagine anyone, spoof or not, defending and praising this drivel.

Still, I wish Charles had let you guys whack her around a bit more before showing her the door.

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elbruce Sat, Aug 21, 2010 1:57:04am

re: #108 SteveDutch

As for Darwin and evolution, the English translation of Mein Kampf...

Say what now? Why are you hopping from evolution directly over to Nazi philosophy?

re: #108 SteveDutch

Elapsed time, one minute to find Mein Kampf in English, five minutes to download, four to do a word search. Elapsed time, ten minutes. It's not like this is hard to debunk.

Uh huh... Why are we doing this again...?

The German word is "Entwicklung," usually translated "development." It is used many more times in Mein Kampf but in all other cases is translated "development." Elapsed time a bit longer, mostly the learning German part.

Fun idea: next time someone brings up the connection between evolution and the Holocaust, ask him where the Jews are now, the ones that died in the Holocaust.

I'm going to go with "Genocide" for $800, Alex...

If they're in Heaven, he's admitting that you can get to Heaven without being a Christian. If he says they're in Hell, ask him why evolution is bad for causing the Holocaust, but he's okay with worshiping a God who condemns them to Hell after they went through the Holocaust. If he says he's not happy about it, but that's the way things are, then he's "just following orders," right? Ought to be fun.

Ought to be batshit at if you made it this far anyway. You owe a stiff drink to anybody who read this all the away through. Also, you're probably a neo-Nazi, or you're trmendously confused. If the former, stop it right now because you are a horrible person. If the latter, seek help immediately.

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