Overnight Open Thread
I don’t know anything about music. In my line you don’t have to.
— Elvis Presley
I don’t know anything about music. In my line you don’t have to.
— Elvis Presley
2 | dell*nix Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:16:51pm |
Ahh, an acid free thread. Hope it stays that way.
3 | ClaudeMonet Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:19:58pm |
re: #2 dell*nix
Ahh, an acid free thread. Hope it stays that way.
Free of people on acid, free of people spewing acid, or both?
4 | tnguitarist Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:21:12pm |
My brother's name is Aaron, if that tells ya anything....
5 | dell*nix Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:21:43pm |
re: #3 ClaudeMonet
Both. I get enough visions on my prescribed meds.
6 | Mr Pancakes Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:23:37pm |
re: #4 tnguitarist
My brother's name is Aaron, if that tells ya anything...
My son's name is Aaron..... nothing to do with Elvis..... it was the first name in the baby name book.
7 | spikester Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:24:59pm |
re: #6 Mr Pancakes
i named one of my kids aardvark, its' the first word in the dictionary
8 | ClaudeMonet Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:25:05pm |
re: #5 dell*nix
Both. I get enough visions on my prescribed meds.
I wouldn't mind the occasional vision from my meds, but with my luck I'd have them while driving. That would be bad for me and for innocent parties all around. I do need a change in meds, though; other than the cholesterol drug I'm on, I don't feel like my prescriptions are doing diddly squat.
9 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:25:22pm |
Oh, by the way... Elvis did not have 60lbs of fecal matter in his colon when he died.
I'm just sayin'...
10 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:26:07pm |
re: #4 tnguitarist
It's spelled wrong on his tombstone (Elvis', I mean. Not your brother.)
11 | ClaudeMonet Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:26:50pm |
re: #7 spikester
i named one of my kids aardvark, its' the first word in the dictionary
Have you ever been around an aardvark? It has neither claws, nor fangs, nor quills, nor size, nor camouflage, nor speed. Its defense is its smell, which means Aardvark may be an appropriate name for a baby.
12 | dell*nix Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:27:26pm |
re: #8 ClaudeMonet
I take them at bedtime and don't drive for at least six hours. Talk about dream therapy.
13 | tnguitarist Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:28:24pm |
re: #6 Mr Pancakes
My son's name is Aaron... nothing to do with Elvis... it was the first name in the baby name book.
He was born in 1978. Do the math.
14 | spikester Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:28:38pm |
re: #11 ClaudeMonet
nope aardvark (my girl) is the only aardvark i've ever been around
15 | NJDhockeyfan Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:29:57pm |
16 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:31:41pm |
re: #10 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oops... no. It's not... Hit post too soon... looked it up...
17 | tnguitarist Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:32:56pm |
re: #15 NJDhockeyfan
Hank Aaron?
Not quite. It would be fitting since we are both huge Braves' fans.
18 | Mr Pancakes Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:33:10pm |
19 | ClaudeMonet Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:33:55pm |
re: #17 tnguitarist
Not quite. It would be fitting since we are both huge Braves' fans.
I didn't know you are obese.
20 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:34:05pm |
What in the hell am I doing up at 1:32am?
Why don't I feel sleepy?
Why am I talking to you?
G'night knuckleheads.
21 | tnguitarist Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:34:55pm |
22 | tnguitarist Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:35:36pm |
23 | Mr Pancakes Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:36:19pm |
re: #21 tnguitarist
No, I'm pretty sure my brother was born in 78. ;)
I know I was just joshin' ya..... I put that in cuz my son was born in 77.
24 | windsagio Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:36:23pm |
Why in God's name would the pres of Whole foods be on a panel about Ayn Rand?
25 | tnguitarist Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:36:42pm |
26 | Mr Pancakes Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:37:12pm |
27 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:37:43pm |
re: #25 tnguitarist
Elvis died in 77 + brother born in 78 = Aaron.
I was told there would be no math...
28 | Targetpractice Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:38:12pm |
29 | tnguitarist Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:38:36pm |
re: #26 Mr Pancakes
Yep
I would say there were quite a few of them around that time. Unless people went full bore and named their kid Elvis. Oy.
30 | Decatur Deb Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:39:16pm |
re: #24 windsagio
Why in God's name would the pres of Whole foods be on a panel about Ayn Rand?
Anti-union enthusiast in pseudo-hippie camo.
31 | tnguitarist Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:39:17pm |
re: #27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I was told there would be no math...
There's always math. Always. And no calculators.
32 | windsagio Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:40:16pm |
re: #30 Decatur Deb
Anti-union enthusiast in pseudo-hippie camo.
Ohh! Thanks :p I should turn on the volume, listen.
33 | ClaudeMonet Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:51:16pm |
re: #22 tnguitarist
Maybe I am. I do live in the South, after all.
If you can (a) tie your shoes, (b) see your shoes when standing, and (c) reach the keyboard while sitting, you're not obese.
BTW, obesity is not confined to the South. I see far too much of it every day here in the almost-North.
34 | NJDhockeyfan Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:51:28pm |
Whoa, nice bust...
Egyptian forces find additional missile, TNT caches in Sinai
Egyptian police raided three arms depots in the central Sinai Peninsula Saturday containing nearly 200 surface-to-air missiles apparently headed for Gaza, the Palestinian news agency Ma'an reported.
Israeli sources confirmed the report and said a considerable number of similar armaments had probably already been transported through Sinai to Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other Islamist militant groups.
Israeli sources said the weapons appear to be Russian-made SA-7 missiles. The missile, commonly known as the Strela, is not generally considered a highly advanced weapon, but its very presence in Gaza could have far-reaching implications for Israeli air mobility over the coastal territory.
The quantity of missiles in the depots seems to indicate that Palestinian terror groups possess a higher number of projectiles than previously thought, and that in any renewed fighting with Israel, may try to shoot down not only military helicopters and fighter jets, but also civilian aircraft such as crop dusters.
36 | tnguitarist Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:55:38pm |
re: #33 ClaudeMonet
If you can (a) tie your shoes, (b) see your shoes when standing, and (c) reach the keyboard while sitting, you're not obese.
BTW, obesity is not confined to the South. I see far too much of it every day here in the almost-North.
I'm just messin because we get a bad rap. Although, we do have some doozies.
I was looking a t a collection of pictures from all around the country from the 50's-70's. One thing stunned me, even though I didn't catch it at first--the lack of obese people.
37 | Targetpractice Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:55:42pm |
re: #34 NJDhockeyfan
Whoa, nice bust...
Egyptian forces find additional missile, TNT caches in Sinai
What? But that can't be true, we know that the tunnels are for smuggling in food and supplies that the evil Zionist embargo will not let through in order to starve the Palestinians into submission!
I read it on all the fashionable anti-Islam blogs!
//
38 | ClaudeMonet Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:55:56pm |
re: #35 windsagio
what? They're not in cahoots?!
Egypt and Gaza? Hell, no. Israel and the UN have often offered to let the Egyptians establish sovereignty over Gaza, and every time, Egypt has declined with extreme vehemence. Egypt sees Gaza for the pustule it is.
Egypt and Israel? Heck, no. A cold peace is all.
Israel and Gaza? Get real. ;)
39 | ClaudeMonet Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:58:43pm |
re: #36 tnguitarist
I'm just messin because we get a bad rap. Although, we do have some doozies.
Stretch pants are both one of the most wonderful and most horrible inventions ever in the history of mankind.
40 | tnguitarist Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:06:04pm |
They quoted me on the stalker blog. I feel all warm inside.
I bet they won't show this:
Hey guys, did you happen to notice your whole thread is about LGF? Obsess much? It's over guys. Really. Go find a new girlfriend.
41 | elbruce Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:07:27pm |
re: #34 NJDhockeyfan
Whoa, nice bust...
Egyptian forces find additional missile, TNT caches in Sinai
Yep, good bust. Looks like a clear victory for Israeli/Egyptian law enforcement cooperation. Applause all around. Everybody slap each others' backs and hope to pull down more similar busts in the future. Really, no other attitude is appropriate.
42 | boxhead Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:10:27pm |
re: #41 elbruce
Yep, good bust. Looks like a clear victory for Israeli/Egyptian law enforcement cooperation. Applause all around. Everybody slap each others' backs and hope to pull down more similar busts in the future. Really, no other attitude is appropriate.
I'll raise a toast of some fine booze to this bust! errrr... I forgot, no booze for Egyptian folks.... well at least most of them.
///
seriously, good job.
44 | SpaceJesus Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:29:57pm |
re: #40 tnguitarist
"charles is a washed-up irrelevant has-been who no one cares about"
*stalks charles and anyone who posts on his blog 24-7*
45 | ClaudeMonet Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:31:23pm |
re: #40 tnguitarist
They quoted me on the stalker blog. I feel all warm inside.
I bet they won't show this:
Hey guys, did you happen to notice your whole thread is about LGF? Obsess much? It's over guys. Really. Go find a new girlfriend.
Pardon my asking, but what IS the stalker blog? Could someone send me the URL? It's always good to see what the lunatic fringe is fantasizing about.
46 | Targetpractice Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:33:09pm |
re: #44 SpaceJesus
"charles is a washed-up irrelevant has-been who no one cares about"
*stalks charles and anyone who posts on his blog 24-7*
Yeah, ya gotta love it. LGF is going down the drain and Charles is washed-up, yet they seem spend 1 or more hours a day talking about how "shitty" LGF is and how much a "tyrant" Charles is.
I guess that boot print in their asses never stops stinging. They might wanna consult a physician.
47 | tnguitarist Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:35:27pm |
re: #45 ClaudeMonet
Pardon my asking, but what IS the stalker blog? Could someone send me the URL? It's always good to see what the lunatic fringe is fantasizing about.
Can't post a link and don't want to. Hmm...
48 | ClaudeMonet Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:36:18pm |
re: #47 tnguitarist
Can't post a link and don't want to. Hmm...
E-mail it to me if you can. Didn't really want it posted.
49 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:36:36pm |
re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Elvis died on my 15th birthday.
BFD. My birthday is Tuesday. I will bw "old years". Not sure what that means.
50 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:39:02pm |
re: #49 Cannadian Club Akbar
BFD. My birthday is Tuesday. I will bw "old years". Not sure what that means.
Holy crap!! I am 7 or 8 years younger than FBV. I rule!!!
/or not.
51 | tnguitarist Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:40:05pm |
re: #50 Cannadian Club Akbar
Holy crap!! I am 7 or 8 years younger than FBV. I rule!!!
/or not.
That would put you a couple of years over me.....
52 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:41:43pm |
re: #51 tnguitarist
That would put you a couple of years over me...
GET OFF FBV'S LAWN. AND TURN DOWN THE MUSIC!!!!
//
53 | tnguitarist Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:43:01pm |
54 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:43:59pm |
My effing sound card went out. This sucks.
55 | elbruce Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:44:37pm |
re: #45 ClaudeMonet
Pardon my asking, but what IS the stalker blog? Could someone send me the URL? It's always good to see what the lunatic fringe is fantasizing about.
I accidentally hotlinked to it one time, but I honestly don't remember where it was.
56 | ClaudeMonet Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:44:42pm |
re: #53 tnguitarist
your nick is not blue
I'm a relative newbie. Please explain and I'll be glad to comply.
57 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:47:21pm |
re: #56 ClaudeMonet
I'm a relative newbie. Please explain and I'll be glad to comply.
If you allow others to email you, or link to a blog, your nic will be blue.
58 | ClaudeMonet Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:56:50pm |
re: #57 Cannadian Club Akbar
If you allow others to email you, or link to a blog, your nic will be blue.
How do I allow others to email me?
Bog, I feel like a technological idiot. Maybe it's because I'm a technological idiot.
59 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:59:32pm |
re: #58 ClaudeMonet
How do I allow others to email me?
Bog, I feel like a technological idiot. Maybe it's because I'm a technological idiot.
When you go to post a comment, you can put your email address in the email box. Then click "show email".
60 | ClaudeMonet Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:01:57am |
re: #59 Cannadian Club Akbar
When you go to post a comment, you can put your email address in the email box. Then click "show email".
Ah, I see. Many thanks!
61 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:03:46am |
62 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:06:31am |
63 | tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:06:33am |
65 | boxhead Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:15:37am |
66 | ClaudeMonet Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:16:34am |
re: #62 Cannadian Club Akbar
Expect all my porn spam.
//
I went over there, had my fill in a few minutes. Those people are about 99 44/100% detached from reality.
I'd rather have porn spam. It leaves no impression after it's deleted.
68 | boxhead Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:22:40am |
69 | Four More Tears Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:23:35am |
re: #66 ClaudeMonet
I went over there, had my fill in a few minutes. Those people are about 99 44/100% detached from reality.
I'd rather have porn spam. It leaves no impression after it's deleted.
It can have uses, too. Unlike that place.
72 | sagehen Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:14:02am |
re: #36 tnguitarist
I was looking a t a collection of pictures from all around the country from the 50's-70's. One thing stunned me, even though I didn't catch it at first--the lack of obese people.
High-fructose corn syrup. It's in *everything*.
75 | CuriousLurker Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:44:44am |
re: #74 tnguitarist
It's usually pretty quiet at this hour.
76 | tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:46:55am |
77 | CuriousLurker Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:48:33am |
78 | tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:49:15am |
79 | tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:53:24am |
My name is John Johnson, but everybody here calls me Vicky.
--name the movie.
80 | CuriousLurker Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:54:31am |
re: #78 tnguitarist
Same here.
Well, I hate to leave you here all by your lonesome, but I think I'm gonna go try to read a book as that's the only thing that's likely to help.
Maybe that'll work for you too. If not, watch out for the dead thread trolls and take care till tomorrow. Nite. ;o)
81 | CuriousLurker Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:55:42am |
(I don't watch many movies, so I'd suck at that game--sorry!)
~~~Gone~~~
82 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 2:26:13am |
re: #79 tnguitarist
My name is John Johnson, but everybody here calls me Vicky.
--name the movie.
So I Married an Ax Murderer, said by the late great Phil Hartman.
Side note: Despite having lived in San Francisco for much of my life, I have never visited Alcatraz.
Now I can never go, because I'd be too disappointed not to get Vicky as my tour guide.
83 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:21:34am |
Charles blah blah blah blah bad
Islam blah blah blah bad
Global Warming blah blah blah nonsense
Obama blah blah blah bad
just filling in for the DT Trolls who are not even coming out...
later
85 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:33:21am |
New York City and Boston best look out for a hurricane. Wait, what?
86 | Taqyia2Me Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:34:21am |
87 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:34:34am |
re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Good mourning.
I'm trying to think of another morning/mourning style pun, and I can't.
Good grief.
88 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:35:32am |
re: #87 Obdicut
Because I thought of the only one that would ever fit. You see? I am a frickin' genius.
89 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:36:44am |
re: #87 Obdicut
I'm trying to think of another morning/mourning style pun, and I can't.
Good grief.
I mourn your failure.
(take that FBV)
90 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:41:39am |
re: #85 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wouldn't a storm named Earl be more appropriately named a "himmicane?"
91 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:41:57am |
re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar
(that's the same word)
92 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:47:18am |
re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That made me interested in the origin of the word.
Turns out we get the word from the Spanish, who got it from a Native American tribe called the Taino, who were down in the Caribbean.
It would have been awesome and terrifying to be one of those first Spanish explorers down there in the Carribbean, seeing the clouds start to gather, and asking a Taino, "What the fuck is that?"
"Huracan"
"And what does that mean?"
"It means say goodbye to your ships and enjoy your stay on our lovely island."
93 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:49:01am |
Morning Lizardim. Busy weekend here in the fishbowl, with the State Fair on Friday and OD'ing on deep-fried-everything-on-a-stick, then entertaining the in-laws on Saturday whilst getting some yard work done, and finally a lazy Sunday. What's new out there in the wide world of Lizardia?
94 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:49:31am |
Scanning the news. The wording from the AP from a few years ago, the definitions have changed. I hate the AP, Reuters, ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX LSDMBC. Fuck.
95 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:50:27am |
re: #93 thedopefishlives
Did you get me a corn dog?
/
97 | researchok Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:51:40am |
re: #87 Obdicut
I'm trying to think of another morning/mourning style pun, and I can't.
Good grief.
Thinking before coffee?
Damn.
98 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:52:41am |
99 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:53:04am |
re: #97 researchok
Nah, I've had coffee. I get up at five AM, most mornings.
I'm one of those people who are bright and chipper in the mornings.
My wife considers this probably the worst aspect of my character.
100 | researchok Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:53:55am |
re: #92 Obdicut
That made me interested in the origin of the word.
Turns out we get the word from the Spanish, who got it from a Native American tribe called the Taino, who were down in the Caribbean.
It would have been awesome and terrifying to be one of those first Spanish explorers down there in the Carribbean, seeing the clouds start to gather, and asking a Taino, "What the fuck is that?"
"Huracan"
"And what does that mean?"
"It means say goodbye to your ships and enjoy your stay on our lovely island."
Wrong. The word comes from the translation of the native American world for , 'SHIT! IT'S WINDY!"
101 | researchok Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:54:24am |
re: #99 Obdicut
Nah, I've had coffee. I get up at five AM, most mornings.
I'm one of those people who are bright and chipper in the mornings.
My wife considers this probably the worst aspect of my character.
I agree with the Boss.
102 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:55:26am |
re: #100 researchok
Wrong. The word comes from the translation of the native American world for , 'SHIT! IT'S WINDY!"
Minnesota is an old Indian word. Means, "Weather sucks big wampum."
-Diane Ford
103 | researchok Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:55:56am |
re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Minnesota is an old Indian word. Means, "Weather sucks big wampum."
-Diane Ford
Of course- the Patois version.
104 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:56:57am |
re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Minnesota is an old Indian word. Means, "Weather sucks big wampum."
-Diane Ford
Here in Minnesota we have two seasons: Winter, and construction.
105 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:57:29am |
re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Turns out Montana doesn't just mean 'Big Sky'. It means 'Big Sky and nothing else."
106 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:59:46am |
re: #104 thedopefishlives
"I'm from a stout breed of people. We Scandinavians migrated; crossing streams, fjords, glaciers, oceans, prairies, mountains... looking for that one place... that one place... that was just as fucking miserable as the one we left."
-Diane Ford
107 | Nervous Norvous Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:00:36am |
re: #105 Obdicut
Turns out Montana doesn't just mean 'Big Sky'. It means 'Big Sky and nothing else."
North Dakota's state motto: People: Never had 'em, Never Will.
108 | researchok Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:01:30am |
re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Minnesota is an old Indian word. Means, "Weather sucks big wampum."
-Diane Ford
Years ago, I visited MN in winter (stayed at Radisson downtown).
My first impressio0n was, 'These people are a insane'.
My second thought was 'These people are a tough lot'.
After watching a news guy talk about winter golf with an orange golf ball and winter softball, I went back to the first thought.
The all hockey, all the time thing on TV was pretty cool. The peewee hockey was a lot of fun.
109 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:02:17am |
re: #107 PT Barnum
North Dakota's state motto: People: Never had 'em, Never Will.
Florida's motto: I wish these fuckers would learn to drive.
110 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:02:59am |
re: #107 PT Barnum
North Dakota's state motto: People: Never had 'em, Never Will.
South Dakota's state motto?: Closer Than North Dakota
111 | Nervous Norvous Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:03:08am |
Okay..ethnic joke told to me by a Jewish friend:
What's a classic Jewish wine?
"I wanna go to Miaaaaaaami!"
112 | researchok Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:03:40am |
re: #109 Cannadian Club Akbar
Florida's motto: I wish these fuckers would learn to drive.
The Quebec natives motto is 'You want weather? We got weather and we speak french too, you weenie!
113 | Nervous Norvous Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:03:54am |
Arkansas: "Tornado vs. Divorce: No matter what, somebody's gonna lose a trailer."
114 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:04:26am |
Virginia's State Motto: Who Says Government Stiffs And Slackjaw Yokels Don't Mix?
115 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:04:37am |
re: #111 PT Barnum
Okay..ethnic joke told to me by a Jewish friend:
What's a classic Jewish wine?
"I wanna go to Miaaami!"
I went to the best Jewish Deli in Miami.
116 | Nervous Norvous Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:05:16am |
re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar
I went to the best Jewish Deli in Miami.
I'm jealous...lox/cream cheese on a crusty bagel: Food of the Gods or at least one of them.
117 | researchok Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:05:55am |
re: #116 PT Barnum
I'm jealous...lox/cream cheese on a crusty bagel: Food of the Gods or at least one of them.
Pastrami and corned beef.
Manna.
118 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:06:38am |
119 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:07:08am |
120 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:08:02am |
Crap. Don't know if this has been posted yet:
Mosque attack in California refers to Ground Zero
Madera has a large Muslim population who are very well-established and extremely assimilated.
Hopefully this "American Nationalist Brotherhood" is just a couple of punk teens, and not yet another white supremacist group.
For those of you who think of California as la-la-land, California also leads the nation in white supremacist groups. Whoo hooo!
122 | Nervous Norvous Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:08:56am |
123 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:11:49am |
re: #117 researchok
Pastrami and corned beef.
Manna.
If manna had been pastrami and corned beef, we never would have left the desert.
Except maybe to find some sauerkraut and thousand island dressing.
124 | Taqyia2Me Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:12:51am |
re: #120 Obdicut
Crap. Don't know if this has been posted yet:
Mosque attack in California refers to Ground Zero
Madera has a large Muslim population who are very well-established and extremely assimilated.
Hopefully this "American Nationalist Brotherhood" is just a couple of punk teens, and not yet another white supremacist group.
For those of you who think of California as la-la-land, California also leads the nation in white supremacist groups. Whoo hooo!
The attackers are terrorists and need to be eliminated with extreme prejudice.
126 | researchok Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:13:08am |
re: #120 Obdicut
Crap. Don't know if this has been posted yet:
Mosque attack in California refers to Ground Zero
Madera has a large Muslim population who are very well-established and extremely assimilated.
Hopefully this "American Nationalist Brotherhood" is just a couple of punk teens, and not yet another white supremacist group.
For those of you who think of California as la-la-land, California also leads the nation in white supremacist groups. Whoo hooo!
Damn.
Geller ,et al, have declared open season on Muslims.
127 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:13:20am |
I used to have respect for Pat Condell. It's been dwindling away ever since he supported some kind of regionalism for the UK elections. After having watched his last video, "Bad Faith at Ground Zero" (I won't even link it), I have none left. The guy is bankrupt as far as politics and civil liberties go, ragging on Obama for not fulfilling his vision of a nativist, xenohpobic authoritarian America.
128 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:13:45am |
re: #124 Taqyia2Me
The attackers are terrorists and need to be eliminated with extreme prejudice.
Que?
I don't think shooting people for hate crimes is going to get us where we need to be.
129 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:14:51am |
re: #128 Obdicut
I'm fine with killing them in the act, or the hot shot.
130 | Taqyia2Me Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:17:22am |
re: #128 Obdicut
Que?
I don't think shooting people for hate crimes is going to get us where we need to be.
I said eliminate...the best way to eliminate them is to expose them for the fools they are.
I would only support killing them to prevent them from killing others.
131 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:17:59am |
re: #125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It's California, folks.
You're quite right. People think of California as just LA and the Bay Area, (which have their own problems, namely with ghettoization), but there are large swathes of California that are reactionary and isolated.
I think California does a very good job at assimilation, given the sheer number of immigrants and the wide variety of backgrounds, but there are still a large number of white supremacists and lesser 'The town was better afore those messicans moved in' types.
132 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:19:42am |
re: #130 Taqyia2Me
Oh. Eliminate with extreme prejudice usually is a euphemism for killing. Sorry for misunderstanding you.
133 | Taqyia2Me Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:24:15am |
re: #132 Obdicut
Oh. Eliminate with extreme prejudice usually is a euphemism for killing. Sorry for misunderstanding you.
It's (terrorism) a vile cancer that needs to be attacked with all available means. The "Aryans" are terrorists and they need to be eliminated just like any other terrorist group.
134 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:27:29am |
re: #132 Obdicut
Oh. Eliminate with extreme prejudice
usuallyis a euphemism for killing. Sorry for misunderstanding you.
135 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:33:02am |
re: #131 Obdicut
Actually, I was being a bit flip... More accurate?
It's Alabama, folks.
It's Alaska, folks.
It's Arizona, folks.
It's Arkansas, folks.
It's California, folks.
It's Colorado, folks.
Etc...
136 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:33:04am |
re: #133 Taqyia2Me
Luckily, they're mainly pathetic useless assholes who sit around in dirty bars, drinking shitty beer, and lying about their fake military experiences.
137 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:37:06am |
re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, I'm not surprised at a mosque attack in some parts of California, including Madera. California is really too large to assign any particular character to.
Colorado is an odd one, too, because you have a lot of tolerance in general and then you have Colorado Springs, land of the megachurch and prosperity gospel.
Each state does have it's own particular past, its own particular problems, its own particular virtues. Every state is not the same, and the Magical Balance Fairy does not sprinkle equivalent dust and make sure that they all have an equal proportion of every sort of jackassery.
138 | BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:38:06am |
Morning, folks! :)
139 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:38:13am |
Here's a cool "Today in History"...
Thurgood Marshall confirmed to the SCOTUS.
Lift every voice and sing.
Gosh, what these folks had to go through. If I go to the bank and the dry cleaners in the same day? I need a nap.
140 | Ziggy Standard Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:39:59am |
Hi there, peeps!
141 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:40:26am |
re: #138 iceweasel
How cool. What is that? A polar bear in a snowstorm? Pig in a fog bank?
Just a nice big white screen.
142 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:42:27am |
Good Morning LGF.
I feel terrible about what happened yesterday.
143 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:42:32am |
144 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:43:03am |
re: #142 Spare O'Lake
Starting to happen all over the country.
145 | BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:43:46am |
re: #141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
How cool. What is that? A polar bear in a snowstorm? Pig in a fog bank?
Just a nice big white screen.
Damn you youtube! Damn your uk videos blah blah! I don't know why videos posted from the uk don't play in the us and viceversa.
Imagine Oklahoma, O What A Beautiful Moooorning...
146 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:45:09am |
re: #145 iceweasel
Oh. I'm kind of bummed.
State motto of Oklahoma?: Like the play, only no singing.
147 | BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:46:15am |
148 | Ziggy Standard Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:46:31am |
For some reason ice-ski's video didn't work. I think it should work now:
149 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:47:12am |
re: #147 iceweasel
Sliced your finger? Ouch.
Me? The "boyfriend" goes home this week. That's a good thing.
150 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:47:45am |
re: #148 Jimmah
I've played Curly three times.
151 | BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:48:05am |
re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sliced your finger? Ouch.
Me? The "boyfriend" goes home this week. That's a good thing.
oh FANTASTIC! Very happy for you all.
152 | Ziggy Standard Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:48:36am |
re: #142 Spare O'Lake
Good Morning LGF.
I feel terrible about what happened yesterday.
Yeah I saw your comments in the bottom 10 (again). Seeing that must be a shitty way to start every day .
153 | Taqyia2Me Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:49:36am |
155 | mcspiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:50:08am |
re: #152 Jimmah
Yeah I saw your comments in the bottom 10 (again). Seeing that must be a shitty way to start every day .
Charles banned Mandy yesterday. I suspect that's what Spare is refering to.
156 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:50:16am |
157 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:50:51am |
re: #155 mcspiff
Charles banned Mandy yesterday. I suspect that's what Spare is refering to.
Not like that hasn't been a long time in coming. She's been pretty antagonistic since the beginning. Dare I ask what straw finally broke the camel's back?
158 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:51:21am |
re: #147 iceweasel
How'd you do it? Prepping bangers and mash 'er sumthin?
159 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:52:05am |
re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Slicing haggis?
160 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:52:52am |
re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Choppin' leaks?
Liver pudding?
Blood sumthin' 'er other?
161 | mcspiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:53:17am |
re: #157 thedopefishlives
Not like that hasn't been a long time in coming. She's been pretty antagonistic since the beginning. Dare I ask what straw finally broke the camel's back?
Its all in the last thread. Accusations of bigotry were thrown back and forth between her and Charles, she felt he was broad brushing Tennesse, she seemed to be white washing the history of the state (in my opinion), she said some things she probably shouldn't have.
162 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:53:24am |
163 | Ziggy Standard Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:54:00am |
re: #155 mcspiff
Charles banned Mandy yesterday. I suspect that's what Spare is refering to.
Yeah that too. Thaty's gotta hurt. I left a comment on that thread.
164 | mcspiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:54:08am |
re: #157 thedopefishlives
Not like that hasn't been a long time in coming. She's been pretty antagonistic since the beginning. Dare I ask what straw finally broke the camel's back?
Like you said though, it wasn't just the one incident that led to it. Charles himself said that something along the lines of "that was along time coming".
165 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:54:17am |
re: #161 mcspiff
Its all in the last thread. Accusations of bigotry were thrown back and forth between her and Charles, she felt he was broad brushing Tennesse, she seemed to be white washing the history of the state (in my opinion), she said some things she probably shouldn't have.
The moral of this story is: If you value your account, don't pick a fight with the webmaster.
166 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:54:19am |
re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Choppin' leeks?
Liver pudding?
Blood sumthin' 'er other?
Really. How do they eat over there. Everything sounds scary.
167 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:56:28am |
Ooh! I'm number one!
I'm number one!
168 | BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:57:31am |
re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
How'd you do it? Prepping bangers and mash 'er sumthin?
Slicing VEgEtABLeS!1 :(
Bought a mandolin slicer; they're terrific but do not, do not ever use without getting protective gloves. My attention wandered for a fraction of a second while slicing carrots for soup. I'm lucky I didn't lose the finger. I can see how it happens now for sure. Brrrr.
As it is I just sliced off the fleshy part of the tip of the right index finger. I have good things to say about the NHS!
But I did that the week I got here and it still isn't healed enough to type or do anything really.
Hi dopefish, and mcspiff, hope you are well!
169 | Ziggy Standard Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:57:31am |
re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Slicing haggis?
She's still never eaten haggis. That will change soon :)
170 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:58:19am |
re: #169 Jimmah
She's still never eaten haggis. That will change soon :)
Fight it, Ice.
The only food based on a dare.
171 | mcspiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:58:51am |
re: #165 thedopefishlives
The moral of this story is: If you value your account, don't pick a fight with the webmaster.
Pretty much. I question how much Mandy valued her account in the end, but as long as she doesnt end up at the stalkers, I don't have any ill will against her.
172 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:00:19am |
re: #168 iceweasel
Yowza! Glad you didn't lose the finger, that's Just Not Cool. As for me, I am well enough, been busy this weekend entertaining the in-laws and pigging out on deep-fried-everything. My wife was disappointed that the state fair wasn't selling deep-fried butter, which is supposed to be the new craze in junk food technology ersumthin.
re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Fight it, Ice.
The only food based on a dare.
I wouldn't say that. Ever heard of lutefisk?
173 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:00:37am |
re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Starting to happen all over the country.
From today's Tennessean:
From the construction site Sunday, Essam Fathy and others heard five to six gunshots as he gave an interview to CNN around 3:15 p.m. County dispatchers received only one call reporting shots fired and said that the sheriff's office is calling it an unconfirmed report.
[Link: www.tennessean.com...]
174 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:02:22am |
re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Fight it, Ice.
The only food based on a dare.
Heh. Another good line from So I Married an Axer Murderer.
I've actually had quite good haggis, though I didn't eat the stomach part.
It's really no worse than sausage, in terms of what's in it.
175 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:02:26am |
re: #171 mcspiff
I don't think Mandy'd go there. I wish for her and her son nothing but the best. One thing to attack trolls who get banned... I'd prefer to see folks let the old timers rest in peace, even the ones that I don't like.
But, I know that ain't happening.
But, a girl can dream.
*blink*
176 | BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:02:47am |
re: #164 mcspiff
Like you said though, it wasn't just the one incident that led to it. Charles himself said that something along the lines of "that was along time coming".
Also that it should have happened a long time ago. I agree.
Apart from the Muslim bashing, she was just flat out bad for the site. I realise that the older posters who knew her for longer don't see that, but she was unremittingly hostile to quite a few people-- especially new people, especially liberals.
She's tried to get people here to google people's nicknames to turn up personal info on them and run them off the site. She did it to windy and windupbird when they joined; others as well.
And let's not get into her posting links to holocaust denial sites and more--anything that would smear SOrOs or any other wingnutty target of the day. She contributed nothing but hate.
No. I won't miss her one bit and I'm glad she's gone.
Downding away folks, but that's how I see it.
177 | Ziggy Standard Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:03:12am |
re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Fight it, Ice.
The only food based on a dare.
In Scottish Cuisine, there are many items that were based on a dare. Here is one of the more recent entries in that long established tradition:
178 | BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:03:41am |
re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Fight it, Ice.
The only food based on a dare.
I just downdinged Jimmah for that. ;) NEVAH!!
179 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:03:44am |
re: #172 thedopefishlives
Lars and Olaf are sitting down waiting for dinner. Suddenly, there's a loud explosion from the kitchen.
"Ah good," Lars says, "The lutefisk is done!"
180 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:03:56am |
re: #174 Obdicut
If you're gonna eat the juicy parts, you may as well choke down the scrotums and sphincters....
181 | BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:05:03am |
re: #172 thedopefishlives
Yowza! Glad you didn't lose the finger, that's Just Not Cool. As for me, I am well enough, been busy this weekend entertaining the in-laws and pigging out on deep-fried-everything. My wife was disappointed that the state fair wasn't selling deep-fried butter, which is supposed to be the new craze in junk food technology ersumthin.
re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I wouldn't say that. Ever heard of lutefisk?
Deepfried butter, really? Wow. I would love to go to one of those State fairs sometime. Just to check it out! Hope you guys had fun and a nice day for it.
182 | laZardo Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:05:52am |
And now for a little good news from where I live...
/because my ego still needs stroking.
183 | Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:06:54am |
re: #176 iceweasel
Hey Ice, nice to hear from you again.
I'll just pop in and say, I found 100% of MM political and religious posts indefensible and or offensive, but I did enjoy bantering with her socially. She obviously loved her kid, and that's something that always resonates with me.
Now that I got that off my chest, who will be serving the Corn Flakes in the morning?
184 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:07:15am |
re: #181 iceweasel
[Link: today.msnbc.msn.com...]
You can get it in cherry, grape, or garlic flavor.
185 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:07:22am |
re: #181 iceweasel
Deepfried butter, really? Wow. I would love to go to one of those State fairs sometime. Just to check it out! Hope you guys had fun and a nice day for it.
It's been beautiful weather up here in the wild north country, up until today at least. The Minnesota State Fair is either the largest or the second largest in the United States, and well worth a trip up here if you ever manage to be in the country around Labor Day. About 50% of the fairgrounds is dedicated to food vendors, almost all of which have an offering that is either deep fried or on a stick, hence the "deep-fried-everything-on-a-stick" meme.
186 | Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:07:51am |
re: #177 Jimmah
In Scottish Cuisine, there are many items that were based on a dare. Here is one of the more recent entries in that long established tradition:
God i love the Scots. I was definitely born in the wrong place at the wrong time.
187 | Ziggy Standard Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:07:56am |
re: #178 iceweasel
I just downdinged Jimmah for that. ;) NEVAH!!
Juist for that, I'm going to hide a sweetbread in your haggis ;-)
188 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:08:48am |
re: #174 Obdicut
Under-rated movie, IMO.
I use a line from there quite often.
When a server brings me a Flintstone's portion of food? I always look up and say, "Excuse me, miss? There seems to be a mistake. I believe I ordered the *large*?"
189 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:09:16am |
re: #185 thedopefishlives
State fairs are proof that hell is full and the dead are walking the Earth.
191 | BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:09:36am |
re: #187 Jimmah
Juist for that, I'm going to hide a sweetbread in your haggis ;-)
Is that anything like what we'd call that hiding the salami?
/England and America, divided by a common language...
192 | Lidane Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:09:44am |
re: #155 mcspiff
Charles banned Mandy yesterday.
I just caught up on all this by reading the last thread.
Wow.
193 | BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:10:13am |
re: #183 Jeff In Ohio
Hey Ice, nice to hear from you again.
I'll just pop in and say, I found 100% of MM political and religious posts indefensible and or offensive, but I did enjoy bantering with her socially. She obviously loved her kid, and that's something that always resonates with me.
Now that I got that off my chest, who will be serving the Corn Flakes in the morning?
Hey Jeff! What's up? Good to see you too.
194 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:10:42am |
re: #191 iceweasel
Is that anything like what we'd call that hiding the salami?
/England and America, divided by a common language...
Whoa now, none of that in this here thread. Get a room, you two.
195 | Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:11:32am |
re: #193 iceweasel
Hey Jeff! What's up? Good to see you too.
Kids back in school, 3 months of chores waiting to be done in 6 weeks before it gets cold. The usual shit.
196 | Lidane Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:11:58am |
re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
State fairs are proof that hell is full and the dead are walking the Earth.
I like to think they're proof that you can deep fry anything and someone will pay for it.
197 | Ziggy Standard Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:12:30am |
re: #186 Jeff In Ohio
God i love the Scots. I was definitely born in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Cheers Jeff :)
Btw Ice is impressed by the quality of advertising here :
198 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:12:54am |
re: #196 Lidane
I like to think they're proof that you can deep fry anything and someone will pay for it.
I mentioned the deep fried potato skins, right? They were labeled "Australian Battered Potatoes". Dunno if they're the genuine article, but if so, God bless the Aussies.
199 | BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:13:18am |
re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
State fairs are proof that hell is full and the dead are walking the Earth.
re: #185 thedopefishlives
There's a David Foster Wallace essay about attending the Iowa State Fair; I think it's in the collection called "A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again" (which isn't about the Fair, but about cruise ships). All I can really remember from it is the descriptions of the food.
I bet Jimmah would love it.
Anyway-- video of DFW reading from it here, if people are interested:
[Link: www.newstatesman.com...]
200 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:13:21am |
re: #188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
All of the bit parts are excellent too: Steven Wright and Phil Hartman and Charles Grodin and Mike Hagerty and Michael Richards and Alan Arkin.
I agree that it's under-rated. It did exactly what it wanted to do, it was a campy 80's style throwback comedy that didn't depend on any sort of offensive or stupid schtick.
201 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:14:59am |
re: #187 Jimmah
Funny sweetbreads story (really.. the only funny story about sweetbreads, but funny)
I worked with a (what I thought to be) intelligent man who suffered terribly from Gout. We were talking about it (I get it too, but not at his level) and he mentioned to me that his mother in law was a great pastry chef, and as much as he loved her cooking, because of his gout, he couldn't enjoy it. As a matter of fact... he didn't like going to her house because the aroma made him crazy!
I asked, "What do pastries have to do with anything?"
He said, "The doctor told me, at all costs to avoid sweetbreads."
When I explained what sweetbreads were, he was ecstatic... but chagrined.
202 | Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:15:08am |
re: #197 Jimmah
Wow, that's some funny stuff. They really run that on the TV? Goddamn I love me some irreverence.
203 | shiplord kirel Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:16:03am |
More Wal-Mart crap. I saw a little shit-scum of an old man, maybe 70 years old, hit a female Wal-Mart greeter whose ARM WAS IN A SLING!
The cowardly managers would do nothing about it and they threatened me with arrest when I said I would be happy to stomp the little shit through the pavement.
I saw this just as I was coming in the door. The greeter was gathering up left behind merchandise at a check stand and inadvertently picked up a tub of butter that belonged to the shit. He slapped her hand, hard enough to be audible 30 feet away and shouted, "Mine! That's mine!"
The greeter retreated to the door practically in tears and the little bastard started mouthing some kind of taunts at her. Apparently he thought I knew her because I appeared to sympathize with her. A manager came by and told her to file the usual report.
I said, "Aren't you going to have the little shit arrested?"
The manager said, "That isn't our policy." When I offered to take care of it myself, pointing out that I am 61 and therefore exempt from Texas's insanely unjust elder abuse law (you essentially can't defend yourself from an attack by an old fart unless you are also over 55), the manager said I would be arrested if I tried that.
The little shit is white or possibly Hispanic, maybe 70, about 5'5", and wearing thick black framed glasses. He has a pinched up face that makes him look like an especially nasty little monkey. I devoutly hope to catch him on the street someday.
204 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:16:29am |
re: #196 Lidane
Has anyone tried the deep fried lard?
205 | Lidane Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:16:45am |
re: #198 thedopefishlives
Deep fried potato skins are awesome. So are fried pickles. And fried macaroni.
Basically, if you'd eat it normally, chances are it's really good fried. Too bad I'm hoping to lose some weight before my 20th high school reunion next year, so fried foods are out for me for a while. Heh.
206 | Lidane Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:17:27am |
re: #204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm sure somebody somewhere has done it. I've never had the courage to find out. :D
207 | Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:17:30am |
re: #203 shiplord kirel
Good to know that's not a Wal Mart policy. I've been wanting to assault people in there for a good long time.
208 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:17:43am |
re: #176 iceweasel
Everyone knows you and Jimmah are very happy.
As I saw it Mandy was banned for accusing the web host of pro-Muslim bias and anti-Tennessee bias. In doing so she leveled an additional accusation of his paying less attention to domestic anti-Semitic terror.
Those accusations were hurtful and baseless.
Mandy lashed out yesterday at Charles and he did what he had to do.
I feel terrible about it.
209 | shiplord kirel Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:19:04am |
re: #207 Jeff In Ohio
Good to know that's not a Wal Mart policy. I've been wanting to assault people in there for a good long time.
It probably varies from place to place, so be careful. I've sometimes wanted to slap some Wal-marters around myself, but not a woman with an arm in a sling.
210 | Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:20:50am |
re: #208 Spare O'Lake
Your dog had a big poop today. I love your mashups.
211 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:21:37am |
re: #203 shiplord kirel
I mean, I understand wanting to take special care of old people because they're fragile and use of force against them would be magnified, but a law like that also gives them the freedom to act with impunity - like this guy did.
212 | shiplord kirel Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:22:12am |
I think there is some kind of city ordinance or religious rule or custom in Lubbock that you have to turn into a complete demonic asshole on your 60th birthday. At least that appears to be the case from all the nasty oldsters around here. I have so far tried to avoid compliance but I may well face arrest for that too.
213 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:23:09am |
re: #211 thedopefishlives
The ability to inflict violence is mainly mental attitude. A mean sixty year old who's in good shape can lay a hell of a beating on someone.
That's a good example of a law that sounds good on paper, but makes no sense in the real world.
214 | BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:23:59am |
re: #203 shiplord kirel
That's absolutely horrible, and I suspect that it might be a general retail store policy not confined to WalMart. I was working in retail when I was a teenager and there was this old asshole who would come around and harass us. Grabbed my wrist and twisted it up behind my back when I went to phone mall security on him (something we had recently resorted to doing with him).
I got zero support from the company when I filed charges. I'm certain that if I hadn't been the manager I would have been directed NOT to file.
215 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:24:08am |
re: #212 shiplord kirel
I think there is some kind of city ordinance or religious rule or custom in Lubbock that you have to turn into a complete demonic asshole on your 60th birthday. At least that appears to be the case from all the nasty oldsters around here. I have so far tried to avoid compliance but I may well face arrest for that too.
Had a friend of mine out in California, he rides a motorcycle. He's been in two accidents in the last two years. One was a cantankerous old lady who cut across all the lanes of traffic and basically sideswiped him and knocked him over. She attempted to make it out to be his fault when the police showed up.
216 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:24:11am |
re: #203 shiplord kirel
There was a story (heard it a long time ago, so don't ask for a link) of an elderly man who killed his wife of 60 or so years. Stabbed her a hundred or so times.
When they asked him why he did it, he said, "Because she kept putting the G.D. butter behind the G.D. milk!"
217 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:24:25am |
re: #210 Jeff In Ohio
Your dog had a big poop today. I love your mashups.
I have no idea what you just said, but I'll assume it was a gleeful gloat unless you say otherwise.
218 | Ziggy Standard Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:25:42am |
re: #202 Jeff In Ohio
Wow, that's some funny stuff. They really run that on the TV? Goddamn I love me some irreverence.
Heh. It looks like the real deal but I suspect it may be a high quality spoof, judging by the lack of wall-to-wall outrage on the front pages of the Daily Mail.
219 | lawhawk Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:26:05am |
Greets and saluts from the newly greened Ground Zero (the Port Authority started planting trees for the 9/11 memorial over the weekend). The firestorm over the Cordoba House proposed community center continues, with further reporting on possible problems with the the imam and developer as alternatively, slumlord and tax cheat (failing to pay property taxes on properties in New Jersey).
While those stories are troubling, and go to the character and judgment involved, there are real storms to worry about in the Atlantic Ocean:
It's possible that Hurricane Earl may work its way up the East Coast and may be affecting the NYC Metro area by Thursday/Friday. Between now and then, high surf is expected along the East Coast following the hurricane grazing the Virgin Islands today.
221 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:27:21am |
re: #213 Obdicut
The ability to inflict violence is mainly mental attitude. A mean sixty year old who's in good shape can lay a hell of a beating on someone.
That's a good example of a law that sounds good on paper, but makes no sense in the real world.
Oh, I'm not denying that. I guess I mean to say that it's easier to physically injure an older man/woman than someone in the prime of their life, or at least in the majority of cases. That doesn't mean that an old fart can't or won't kick your ass if you ask for it and/or underestimate them. I'm certainly not meaning to suggest that the law is justifiable in any reality.
222 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:28:54am |
re: #219 lawhawk
Be careful out there, man.
Just remember, hawk... It ain't that the wind is blowing. It's what the wind is blowing.
223 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:29:48am |
re: #219 lawhawk
Do you really think posting tabloid stories about the community center is a good idea?
224 | mcspiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:30:39am |
re: #175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I don't think Mandy'd go there. I wish for her and her son nothing but the best. One thing to attack trolls who get banned... I'd prefer to see folks let the old timers rest in peace, even the ones that I don't like.
But, I know that ain't happening.
But, a girl can dream.
*blink*
I don't think so either, not if she stayed here this long. That's just my standard disclousre. I try not to step on anyone's toes here, I know bannings can be a senstive topic, but if you go over there, I will mock mericlessly ;-)
225 | shiplord kirel Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:30:57am |
I think old people get a special set of rules mostly because they are more likely to vote than younger people. I am probably at the 98th percentile in physical condition for men my age and I can take care of myself but I'm also aware that my bones and joints are getting fragile.
I support laws to protect all vulnerable people from abuse, but Texas essentially gives seniors a license to abuse everyone else. I've seen this over and over, the only people who aren't in danger from deranged old farts are the criminals who don't care about any kind of law.
226 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:31:07am |
re: #221 thedopefishlives
I got you. I was agreeing with you.
227 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:31:09am |
re: #217 Spare O'Lake
Dinging the post? or the Poster?
228 | Ziggy Standard Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:31:12am |
Lunchtime here - bye for now from ice and me.
230 | Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:32:00am |
re: #217 Spare O'Lake
I have 3 posts. Gleeful gloat, interesting story and impassioned response.
The question is am I gloating about Mandy being banned and the answer would be no, I actually could don't are that much to gloat and I think I summed that up already. I take humans at face value, even on the internet, and regardless of how hateful they can sometimes be, try to find something good and common in which to relate. I find this way of interacting with people shows both of us that there is more in common then not and forces them (and me) to reconsider cherished positions.
That was an example of the impassioned response.
So, I was gloating as I love the way you start an idea with and idea that has nothing to do with the idea your attempting to put across.
231 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:32:07am |
Crap! Look at the time! Why didn't someone warn me!?!?
232 | Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:32:31am |
re: #218 Jimmah
Heh. It looks like the real deal but I suspect it may be a high quality spoof, judging by the lack of wall-to-wall outrage on the front pages of the Daily Mail.
Ah, to bad!
233 | BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:33:34am |
re: #230 Jeff In Ohio
So, I was gloating as I love the way you start an idea with and idea that has nothing to do with the idea your attempting to put across.
Yeah, that was interesting.
234 | Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:35:53am |
235 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:36:44am |
re: #227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dinging the post? or the Poster?
Your guess is as good as mine. I do feel the love, though.
236 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:40:33am |
Totally random question:
Does anyone have any opinions on what banks are best for small businesses? Just for an account, not a loan.
237 | laZardo Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:41:12am |
re: #231 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Crap! Look at the time! Why didn't someone warn me!?!?
"Man that drop pocket watch in toilet, gets shitty time."
- Confucius
/at least I wish he could have said that.
238 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:42:22am |
re: #230 Jeff In Ohio
I have 3 posts. Gleeful gloat, interesting story and impassioned response.
The question is am I gloating about Mandy being banned and the answer would be no, I actually could don't are that much to gloat and I think I summed that up already. I take humans at face value, even on the internet, and regardless of how hateful they can sometimes be, try to find something good and common in which to relate. I find this way of interacting with people shows both of us that there is more in common then not and forces them (and me) to reconsider cherished positions.
That was an example of the impassioned response.
So, I was gloating as I love the way you start an idea with and idea that has nothing to do with the idea your attempting to put across.
The dog poop mashup screed actually made more sense that the incomprehensible drivel you just posted.
239 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:43:05am |
re: #238 Spare O'Lake
Let me translate:
He's saying it's weird that you'd include the bit about Jimmy and Ice being happy, when it has nothing to do with the rest of your post. Hence, a mashup.
240 | mcspiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:44:25am |
re: #227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dinging the post? or the Poster?
Spare? Usually the poster. I've him downding goodnight posts. Passive aggressive people are funny.
241 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:44:38am |
re: #239 Obdicut
Let me translate:
He's saying it's weird that you'd include the bit about Jimmy and Ice being happy, when it has nothing to do with the rest of your post. Hence, a mashup.
Thank you.
242 | Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:44:52am |
re: #238 Spare O'Lake
Fair enough. Try the Corn Flakes.
244 | lawhawk Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:49:10am |
re: #223 Obdicut
The "tabloid stories" as you put it are shaping the public's opinion on the community center. While you might disparage the Post, perhaps a similar report from the Bergen Record might carry greater weight? Or maybe the NYT, which in a report about Imam Rauf, noted that SoHo Properties did owe $200k, but that the matter was being resolved.
Even as the project’s developers collected $10,000 at a fund-raiser this weekend, they were working to settle an outstanding property tax bill of more than $200,000 on the site where the center is expected to be built.Representatives of the real estate concern run by Sharif el-Gamal, the developer on the project, said they had delayed the payments while negotiating with the city for a lower tax.
Mr. Gamal plans to buy the land from Con Edison, the current owner, which has said the transaction would proceed as long as Mr. Gamal agrees to a price set by an appraiser.
The fact is that the Post and Daily News do quite a bit of good local reporting, and if you can get past the tabloid nature, you'd find that some of their reporting is better than that of the NY Times (especially when related to Ground Zero construction - I routinely look at all four local papers for stories, and the Post and News report far more on Ground Zero than the others; for the Cordoba controversy, I look at all four, and average 'em to get a good idea what's going on).
246 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:57:19am |
re: #242 Jeff In Ohio
Fair enough. Try the Corn Flakes.
What you describe as a mashup was just a response to Iceweasel saying she was happy that Mandy was banned and giving her views on why she was banned. What I wrote was to point out that Iceweasel's/Jimmah's happiness at the the banning was no surprise to anyone, followed by my own take on why she was banned.
How is that a mashup, if it was directly responsive?
247 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:58:45am |
re: #244 lawhawk
I do disparage the Post. And yes, I agree that they're shaping opinion on it-- and you're assisting. That's what I'm pointing out. Whether or not Rauf is a good landlord is completely immaterial to the building of the community center; to me, it's a rather transparent smear campaign, and I'm disappointed to see you enabling it.
There are thousands of development deals going on in NYC right now. None of the rest of them are being scrutinized like this. The reasons for this are obvious: these are Muslims.
248 | Stonemason Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:58:46am |
Funny how the down-dingers that I mentioned on the last thread can't even keep their fingers off the button in order to prove me wrong, thereby proving my point.
249 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:58:59am |
re: #246 Spare O'Lake
That was the way that I read it.
250 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:00:08am |
re: #249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That was the way that I read it.
Ah, that does kind of make sense. See, I think of Jimmah and Iceweasel being happy because they're together after having been separated.
251 | Locker Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:00:25am |
Ice and Jimmah aren't the only ones who are happy. Bring your stupid shit to me and I'll be happy to duke it out.
252 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:00:56am |
re: #250 Obdicut
Oh, I know. Could've been read either way.
I have to go to work. Y'all have some fun, okay?
253 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:01:39am |
re: #252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'll have some fun as soon as I can figure out what "Exempt from backup withholding" means on my W-9 form.
254 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:02:17am |
re: #253 Obdicut
I'll have some fun as soon as I can figure out what "Exempt from backup withholding" means on my W-9 form.
Oh! I can help with that real quick...
That's gubmint speak for SEND ME ALL YER MONEY!
255 | lawhawk Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:02:41am |
re: #247 Obdicut
The Record reported that the Imam was a slumlord. That's not the Post. Both papers reported essentially the same thing over the weekend. That isn't just shaping news, but reporting a situation that the Imam has cultivated during his period as a landlord of properties in New Jersey.
Is that material to his veracity and stewardship of a project in Manhattan? Perhaps. It definitely speaks to his character, and I think it does to his financial responsibility.
And if you think that other high profile projects aren't scrutinized in the City, you're sorely mistaken (as someone who follows those kinds of deals regularly).
256 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:05:11am |
I just wanna tell you both, good luck. We're all counting on you.
257 | Winny Spencer Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:05:17am |
Afternoon folks.
When it rains, it pours. As I discovered when I left my umbrella at home today.
258 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:07:33am |
re: #247 Obdicut
I do disparage the Post. And yes, I agree that they're shaping opinion on it-- and you're assisting. That's what I'm pointing out. Whether or not Rauf is a good landlord is completely immaterial to the building of the community center; to me, it's a rather transparent smear campaign, and I'm disappointed to see you enabling it.
There are thousands of development deals going on in NYC right now. None of the rest of them are being scrutinized like this. The reasons for this are obvious: these are Muslims.
Your longstanding intolerance to facts which do not happen to support your agenda is increasingly spilling over into personal attacks on the messenger. Rauf's recent real estate management experience and conduct is directly relevant to the proposed Park51 development, and your saying it is not does not make it so. And accusing lawhawk of promoting bigotry is so grossly unfair that it make you look like a drooling idiot.
259 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:09:26am |
re: #255 lawhawk
Okay. Wherever the story originates from, it's a smear. Every landlord has tenant complaints. All of them. This bit is also in the story:
Records show that in general the problems were resolved after complaints were lodged with officials; often, the problems reoccurred.
That would describe every apartment building I've ever lived in.
Is that material to his veracity and stewardship of a project in Manhattan? Perhaps. It definitely speaks to his character, and I think it does to his financial responsibility.
I don't think that he is the sole person responsible for the project, is he? So what do you mean by 'Stewardship'?
And if you think that other high profile projects aren't scrutinized in the City, you're sorely mistaken (as someone who follows those kinds of deals regularly).
This project is only 'high-profile' because the it's a Muslim community center and Muslims are involved. What other deals at this level are making front-page news, exactly?
260 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:10:28am |
re: #258 Spare O'Lake
If I had accused him of promoting bigotry, your post might make a lick of sense.
Do you ever get a little irony twinge when you falsely accuse someone else of making a personal attack, and then, in the same post, call them a 'drooling idiot' or make some other sort of personal attack?
262 | lawhawk Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:17:03am |
re: #259 Obdicut
Rauf is the promoter for the project, along with the developer. That means he's stewarding the project as the head of Cordoba Initiative.
Definition of STEWARDSHIP
1
: the office, duties, and obligations of a steward
2
: the conducting, supervising, or managing of something; especially : the careful and responsible management of something entrusted to one's care
His financial and real estate dealings to date that inform as to his capacities as a real estate developer/owner are germane, particularly when public monies may be involved.
You're right that this project gained the profile it did was because it was being promoted by Rauf and the Muslim group, but note too that it was the NYT that originally reported on the proposed community center project before it was taken up by everyone else (and the wingnut contingency ran with it as an Islamic center and victory mosque lording over Ground Zero). Should the Times have not reported it?
A project can go from obscure to headline with any kind of controversy in the City. This one did so because of who the parties to the deal were.
264 | mcspiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:18:34am |
re: #262 lawhawk
Rauf is the promoter for the project, along with the developer. That means he's stewarding the project as the head of Cordoba Initiative.
His financial and real estate dealings to date that inform as to his capacities as a real estate developer/owner are germane, particularly when public monies may be involved.You're right that this project gained the profile it did was because it was being promoted by Rauf and the Muslim group, but note too that it was the NYT that originally reported on the proposed community center project before it was taken up by everyone else (and the wingnut contingency ran with it as an Islamic center and victory mosque lording over Ground Zero). Should the Times have not reported it?
A project can go from obscure to headline with any kind of controversy in the City. This one did so because of who the parties to the deal were.
My impression that Rauf was mostly concerned with the community/religious side. I'd assume in a project of this scale there would be some form of Board of Governors or shareholders. Do we know what the mangement structure for park51 is?
265 | BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:19:33am |
re: #250 Obdicut
Ah, that does kind of make sense. See, I think of Jimmah and Iceweasel being happy because they're together after having been separated.
That would be correct! (driving by having lunch).
266 | filetandrelease Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:20:23am |
If you don't like the irony of referring to deluded half wit homophobes by a derogatory term for a homosexual act, then I shall be more academic.The teabags are hateful, white trash scum, racists, wannabe fascists and semi-literate morons.
A cut and paste from a prior thread, compliments LVQ.
Wow, this sight has drifted so far left it is difficult to read any more. The above quote is ridiculous to the extreme and unworthy of this web site in days gone by. Apparently this type of banality currently is considered deep thought here. LVQ, shame on you for wasting your mind.
267 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:21:11am |
re: #262 lawhawk
That means he's a, not the, steward.
Should the Times have not reported it?
I'm really unclear on what you're talking about now. Is this in reference to me castigating the Post as a tabloid?
I am pointing out that the only reason we're hearing anything about Rauf's previous experiences as a landlord and developer is because wingnuts have gone nuts over the fact that Muslims are daring to build a community center. I am pointing out that you are enabling this by posting those stories.
A project can go from obscure to headline with any kind of controversy in the City. This one did so because of who the parties to the deal were.
Can you please name another such project, with a similar budget, that's enjoyed similar headlines in recent memory or the current day?
268 | mcspiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:21:26am |
re: #266 filetandrelease
Why are you addressing a poster who isn't here to respond? Scared of LVQ perhaps?
269 | humpty dumpty was pushed Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:21:34am |
Hi. Nice to see the LGF community is still going strong. Peace and love to you, in a spiritually nondenominational way.
270 | BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:23:25am |
re: #246 Spare O'Lake
What you describe as a mashup was just a response to Iceweasel saying she was happy that Mandy was banned and giving her views on why she was banned. What I wrote was to point out that Iceweasel's/Jimmah's happiness at the the banning was no surprise to anyone, followed by my own take on why she was banned.
How is that a mashup, if it was directly responsive?
Please. Now you get a downding for the original.
BTW, Where did I use the word happy? Didn't happen. Yep, I'm glad she's gone, I fully support Charles's decision. Too bad for you.
271 | filetandrelease Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:23:56am |
re: #268 mcspiff
Yes, you nailed it.
Or perhaps it is because I am here now and have a moment. LVQ and I have had many words, not all unpleasant. My hopes is that he will read it and consider them. It is an old theme of mine with him.
272 | mcspiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:25:21am |
re: #271 filetandrelease
Yes, you nailed it.
Or perhaps it is because I am here now and have a moment. LVQ and I have had many words, not all unpleasant. My hopes is that he will read it and consider them. It is an old theme of mine with him.
Ah, I generally stick to email for that type of thing, rather than random chance of him reading what will most likely be a dead thread. But, if you say so.
273 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:25:53am |
re: #261 Spare O'Lake
I do feel it's unwise for Lawhawk to post stories that are obvious dirt-digging on Rauf. How you translate that into an accusation of promoting bigotry I don't know. Dirt-digging isn't bigotry. It's typical sensationalist yellow journalism.
It'll make some bigots happy, sure, to see Rauf being castigated as a bad landlord. That doesn't mean everyone talking about the story is a bigot, or promoting bigotry.
There seems to be this odd disconnect where people think the statement "There are no non-bigoted reasons to object to the community center" equates to "every single person not supporting the building 100% is a bigot".
274 | ShaunP Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:26:00am |
re: #271 filetandrelease
...It is an old theme of mine with him.
So, how exactly has the site changed then?
276 | mcspiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:28:29am |
re: #275 filetandrelease
The message wasn't to him alone.
Sure thing. Again, I consider it cowardly to attack someone who can't respond, especially when you posted a comment without context or source beyond the posters name. But you can consider it some grand philospical point if you'd like.
277 | filetandrelease Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:28:31am |
re: #274 ShaunP
As I indicated, it is has drifted to left. Far left IMO. Most of the conservatives I enjoyed reading here have long since gone. The above quote wasn't even challenged. As dispicable as it is.
278 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:29:26am |
re: #277 filetandrelease
Gee, sounds like you really hate it here.
279 | mcspiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:30:17am |
re: #277 filetandrelease
As I indicated, it is has drifted to left. Far left IMO. Most of the conservatives I enjoyed reading here have long since gone. The above quote wasn't even challenged. As dispicable as it is.
Ah yes, the far left trite again. Because people will defend Berkeley or San Fran. LVQ has been told by Charles to keep the rhetoric down before, wouldn't surprise me if he had there as well. But we don't know because you conviently leave out the link.
280 | filetandrelease Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:30:56am |
re: #278 Obdicut
I don't hate it here, but don't read it nearly as much anymore.
281 | lawhawk Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:31:06am |
re: #267 Obdicut
Many of the projects that have generated controversy such as this have been larger, or involve the name Trump.
Wait, I take it back - the renovation of Washington Square Park or Union Square, NYU's plans to expand in Manhattan at various times (different projects have different costs). Various development projects involving the MTA. The Prudential Center in Newark was $300 million.
Construction accidents on smaller projects can be revealing - such as with crane collapsing revealing all manner of malfeasance by the owners, operators, real estate ventures, etc. There have been all too many of those.
282 | Reginald Perrin Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:32:16am |
re: #277 filetandrelease
As I indicated, it is has drifted to left. Far left IMO. Most of the conservatives I enjoyed reading here have long since gone. The above quote wasn't even challenged. As dispicable as it is.
Have you ever considered that this blog stayed in the middle and it was the so called conservatives who moved far right?
283 | lawhawk Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:33:03am |
re: #281 lawhawk
The mess with Tavern on the Green - a landmark in Manhattan that was shuttered, sold in bankruptcy, and remains closed because the City and prospective owners can't get a deal done with the union.
Museums like MoMa building big towers or major renovations that result in changes to their collections, nearby buildings, impacts on local community, etc.
284 | filetandrelease Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:33:28am |
re: #278 Obdicut
There are plenty of posters here I respect, LVQ being one, but the constant pounding of the right with no balance as if the left is impugn to criticism is hard to take.
286 | Reginald Perrin Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:35:20am |
287 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:35:31am |
re: #281 lawhawk
Everything you listed there other than Trump involves a public entity; a state school, renovation of public property, the MTA, and a city stadium. Those are not really comparable to a private project, in the least.
Nor is $300 million very close to $100 million.
288 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:36:21am |
re: #284 filetandrelease
There are plenty of posters here I respect, LVQ being one, but the constant pounding of the right with no balance as if the left is impugn to criticism is hard to take.
You mean 'immune', not 'impugn'.
What exactly would you like in response to your posts here?
289 | lawhawk Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:39:26am |
re: #287 Obdicut
Not entirely - given that this project is meant to built a community center for the local community - that has a public aspect shared with some of the park and other public projects.
290 | filetandrelease Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:43:15am |
re: #288 Obdicut
Nothing I suppose, it was just a comment that I felt the need to make. I have been here for a few years and miss the balance. LVQ's statement provided an extreme opportunity to make the point.
(thanks for the correction, was thinking of impunity, impune)
291 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:43:43am |
re: #289 lawhawk
Not really, no. A park is public land. This is private land. The most comparable thing would be a YMCA, a JCC, or a Catholic school.
I think you get my point well enough. The only reason there are headlines on this, the only reason people are trying to dig up dirt on Rauf, is the fact that they are Muslims trying to build a community center. That is the one and the only reason.
This is not the only case of yellow journalism that has ever existed, but it is, most definitely a case of yellow journalism.
292 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:48:49am |
re: #290 filetandrelease
Nothing I suppose, it was just a comment that I felt the need to make. I have been here for a few years and miss the balance. LVQ's statement provided an extreme opportunity to make the point.
(thanks for the correction, was thinking of impunity, impune)
There's plenty of balance. Charles himself has pointed out several times that Teh Stupid has no party or political affiliation, and the current craze of banging on right-wing crazies is simply because they're the ones making all the noise right now. No doubt if and when some left-leaning member of the vast unhinged makes itself known, it will be publicized with all due mockery and derision.
294 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:50:59am |
297 | humpty dumpty was pushed Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:55:24am |
Lawhawk and Obdicut, a debate about Rauf as a competent landlord vs Rauf as an irresponsible slumlord is interesting but peripheral to a larger issue. Some will view the community center as an outreach to non-Muslims while others will consider it a victory mosque. That will not change and the wisdom of his chosen site to begin improving relations is questionable.
298 | MrSilverDragon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:59:09am |
Good morning, folks. Looks like I missed a bit of a hullabaloo here.
Hope y'all are getting a good start to the day.
299 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:00:30am |
re: #297 humpty dumpty was pushed
The site is where they need it to be, where they already have an overflow prayer room. It's to serve the community. It's not merely symbolic.
Nobody is genuinely protesting it because they think it's 'unwise'.
300 | laZardo Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:01:37am |
re: #298 MrSilverDragon
I woke up to find the link in this in my e-mail. Of course now it's 11PM so. q:
301 | iossarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:04:38am |
FWIW I have mentioned a couple of times on here (and indeed elsewhere) that I find it supremely ironic that people are quick to describe bigots and racists with terms such as "white trash" and "rednecks".
The biggest challenges of tolerance, IMO, are A) to try to understand WHY people are intolerant, and B) observe those same causes and effects in one's own actions and words.
302 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:05:08am |
re: #300 laZardo
I woke up to find the link in this in my e-mail. Of course now it's 11PM so. q:
I just read my weekly e-mail from my son in the Bacolod area. They keep moving him around so I'm never sure quite where he is.
His adventure last week was breaking an umbrella over a rat the size of his arm. He wouldn't have bothered if it hadn't been coming towards him.
He serves in some pretty rural areas.
303 | Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:06:59am |
re: #302 DaddyG
I just read my weekly e-mail from my son in the Bacolod area. They keep moving him around so I'm never sure quite where he is.
His adventure last week was breaking an umbrella over a rat the size of his arm. He wouldn't have bothered if it hadn't been coming towards him.
He serves in some pretty rural areas.
Ratzilla!
304 | humpty dumpty was pushed Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:07:11am |
re: #299 Obdicut
With respect,I understand that it is not merely symbolic and it is an expansion of an existing facility. But symbolism is the largest part of the argument for many.
305 | Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:07:46am |
re: #304 humpty dumpty was pushed
With respect,I understand that it is not merely symbolic and it is an expansion of an existing facility. But symbolism is the largest part of the argument for many.
Which is irrelevant.
306 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:07:55am |
re: #301 iossarian
When things get personal posters can make some over the top statements. Of course those are the same ones that come back to haunt them on stalker blogs or trolls that use the search function. Last week someone was digging up Many Manners statements from 3 years ago and asking us why we didn't repudiate them.
Asking posters to take ownership of or repudiate other people's statements is a cheap trick that substitutes for real dialogue.
307 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:08:53am |
re: #304 humpty dumpty was pushed
With respect,I understand that it is not merely symbolic and it is an expansion of an existing facility. But symbolism is the largest part of the argument for many.
What argument, exactly? Anyone who thinks a Sufi community center is a 'victory mosque' for Al-Queda is massively ignorant. So what 'argument' are you referring to? Whether ignorance should be catered to?
308 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:09:19am |
re: #303 Varek Raith
Ratzilla!
Yup... he shared that story with his grandmother. He also told her he doesn't bother with mosquito netting becuase no more than 3-5 missionaries get dengue fever or malaria every year.
I told him that there are some things he just shouldn't share with grandma.
309 | humpty dumpty was pushed Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:09:43am |
re: #305 Varek Raith
Irrelevant in a vacuum.
311 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:12:00am |
re: #309 humpty dumpty was pushed
Irrelevant in a vacuum.
We're not in a vacuum. We are operating under some pretty powerful symbols. This one for instance:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
312 | Interesting Times Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:15:14am |
re: #307 Obdicut
What argument, exactly? Anyone who thinks a Sufi community center is a 'victory mosque' for Al-Queda is massively ignorant. So what 'argument' are you referring to? Whether ignorance should be catered to?
Islamic scholar issues fatwa against terrorism
A prominent Islamic scholar issued a religious ruling against terrorism and suicide bombings at a speech in London Tuesday. Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri, a leading scholar of Sufism, the tradition within Islam that focuses on peace and tolerance, isn't the first Islamic teacher to denounce acts of terrorism. But Qadri's 600-page judgment, or fatwa, is among the harshest denouncements of the theological arguments used by militant groups like al-Qaeda.
And, by fantastic coincidence, Sufism is the same sect practiced by...Imam Rauf. I think it should go without saying at this point that likening sufi Muslims to al-Queda is like comparing the Quackers to Fred Phelps.
313 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:15:23am |
Muslims that by all reasonable accounts are assimilated into American culture, are moderate and are completely different from the radical wahbbist sects are trying to establish a worship center in an abandoned Burlington Coat Factory building. Another group of decidedly moderate muslims that have been in a community for almost 30 years want to build a new facility in Tennessee.
Both groups are greeted with derision and scorn and even violence (Arson, gunshots, threats...)
How does this behavior square with the constitutional right to worship according to their own conscience?
314 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:16:15am |
re: #312 publicityStunted
Islamic scholar issues fatwa against terrorism
And, by fantastic coincidence, Sufism is the same sect practiced by...Imam Rauf. I think it should go without saying at this point that likening sufi Muslims to al-Queda is like comparing the Quackers to Fred Phelps.
Quackers = Quakers?
315 | humpty dumpty was pushed Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:16:16am |
316 | Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:16:24am |
re: #313 DaddyG
Muslims that by all reasonable accounts are assimilated into American culture, are moderate and are completely different from the radical wahbbist sects are trying to establish a worship center in an abandoned Burlington Coat Factory building. Another group of decidedly moderate muslims that have been in a community for almost 30 years want to build a new facility in Tennessee.
Both groups are greeted with derision and scorn and even violence (Arson, gunshots, threats...)
How does this behavior square with the constitutional right to worship according to their own conscience?
A lot of them see Islam as a political construct and not a religious one.
317 | Interesting Times Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:18:04am |
re: #314 DaddyG
Quackers = Quakers?
*hits self with PIMF stick* Yes :(
There's no religion I know of inspired by the Aflac spokesbird ;)
318 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:20:15am |
re: #315 humpty dumpty was pushed
re: #311 DaddyG
Ok, I`m just outclassed here, debate wise. Typing sucks too. Maybe it`s a great idea.
You are not outclassed. I've had this discussion with several friends and family members. Many of them were not well informed by our press, who cannot seem to distinguish between militant wahabbism and the brand of moderate sufi Islam that most of our American Muslim neighbors practice.
The kinds of arguments used against their religion are the same arguments people have used against religion of any kind. The scare tactics are disguisting. I am by no means a liberal but I have great difficulty swallowing the bile that has been levelled against an entire religion which I know from personal relations is not militaristic or in opposition to American values.
319 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:20:38am |
re: #317 publicityStunted
*hits self with PIMF stick* Yes :(
There's no religion I know of inspired by the Aflac spokesbird ;)
But there probably should be... ;-)
320 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:22:10am |
re: #110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
South Dakota's state motto?: Closer Than North Dakota
Wisconsin's State Motto: Eat Cheese or Die
321 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:23:10am |
re: #316 Varek Raith
A lot of them see Islam as a political construct and not a religious one.
The Taliban as self proclaimed spokespersons for Muslims have not helped that at all. But instead of insisting on an American brand of religious police we should be reaffirming the American Muslims right to worship peacefully. Granted there are radicals in some of our mosques but if their behavior crosses the line into illegal or terrorist activities we have laws in place to stop that.
322 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:23:28am |
re: #320 ralphieboy
Wisconsin's State Motto: Eat Cheese or Die
Michigan's State Motto: We're Close to Canada.
323 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:24:04am |
re: #315 humpty dumpty was pushed
Ok, I`m just outclassed here, debate wise. Typing sucks too. Maybe it`s a great idea.
The point really isn't whether it is or is not a great idea. The point is that it is really nobody's business at all other than the community being served by the community center. Maybe they'll turn out to be idiots who build a sucky community center with an over-chlorinated pool, peeling paint, and a restaurant with terrible food.
Maybe they'll get bombed by the same sort of assholes now equating Islam with evil. Maybe they'll have protesters outside every day.
None of that matters. It may or may not have been 'wise' for Rosa Parks not to give up her seat on the bus. It may or may not be 'wise' for Orthodox Jews to wear easily recognizable outfits. None of that should matter to anyone who isn't actually involved.
324 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:24:32am |
Georgia's state motto: We're not in last place. Thank God for Mississippi!
326 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:24:47am |
re: #322 Alouette
Michigan's State Motto: We're Close to Canada.
Pennsylvania's State Motto: Gateway to Ohio
327 | sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:24:49am |
re: #322 Alouette
Michigan's State Motto: We're Close to Canada.
Alabamas State Motto
Thank God for Mississippi!!
328 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:25:22am |
329 | jaunte Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:25:22am |
re: #321 DaddyG
It would be something to celebrate if more Americans would buck up and show some confidence in our own system, instead of panicking over the first imagined whiff of influence of a foreign ideology.
332 | Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:26:22am |
re: #246 Spare O'Lake
What you describe as a mashup was just a response to Iceweasel saying she was happy that Mandy was banned and giving her views on why she was banned. What I wrote was to point out that Iceweasel's/Jimmah's happiness at the the banning was no surprise to anyone, followed by my own take on why she was banned.
How is that a mashup, if it was directly responsive?
Gotcha. I apologize for being hopelessly obtuse and subjecting you to my drivel.
333 | webevintage Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:26:59am |
re: #327 sattv4u2
Alabamas State Motto
Thank God for Mississippi!!
Sorry, that state motto is already taken by Arkansas.
334 | darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:27:14am |
California's state motto: "Eureka!"
(when you've got a cool state motto, you don't have to joke about it)
335 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:27:20am |
re: #325 laZardo
ftfy?
Well, except that you have to go through Detroit to get to Canada.
No, that's not completely true. There is another border crossing at Port Huron.
336 | ShaunP Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:27:30am |
re: #329 jaunte
It would be something to celebrate if more Americans would buck up and show some confidence in our own system, instead of panicking over the first imagined whiff of influence of a foreign ideology.
This^^^
The whole "creeping sharia" nonsense is one of the most boldfaced, idiotic premises I've seen to suppress a group that represents 1% of the population...
337 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:27:43am |
re: #329 jaunte
It would be something to celebrate if more Americans would buck up and show some confidence in our own system, instead of panicking over the first imagined whiff of influence of a foreign ideology.
Remember that a lot of Americans had almost no concept of Islam until they were rudely introduced to it by 9/11. And to them, the two remain closely associated concepts, something that the anti-Islam agitators are big at exploiting.
338 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:27:44am |
re: #329 jaunte
It would be something to celebrate if more Americans would buck up and show some confidence in our own system, instead of panicking over the first imagined whiff of influence of a foreign ideology.
We (as a general populace) blew a golden opportunity to create a postcard for moderate Muslims the world over. If we have lived up to our values and laws we would be welcoming the community center and mosque with open arms. Instead we've handed a propaganda bonanza to the radicals who want to portray the west and America as enemies of Islam.
339 | ShaunP Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:28:36am |
re: #338 DaddyG
We (as a general populace) blew a golden opportunity to create a postcard for moderate Muslims the world over. If we have lived up to our values and laws we would be welcoming the community center and mosque with open arms. Instead we've handed a propaganda bonanza to the radicals who want to portray the west and America as enemies of Islam.
Ironically, we did get it right for ~8 years. For that, I give Bush his credit...
340 | cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:28:58am |
well, that's hard to believe. If you google "eclipse", you still actually get the website for the IDE in the top spot. hasn't yet been taken over by the goofy-ass book/movie yet..
341 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:29:30am |
re: #339 ShaunP
Ironically, we did get it right for ~8 years. For that, I give Bush his credit...
I almost have to ask if the nations is not suffering from the effects of colletive PTSD over this affair...
342 | captdiggs Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:31:33am |
re: #338 DaddyG
Instead we've handed a propaganda bonanza to the radicals
It's a win-win for them anyway.
If it's built the same Islamists will view it as a victory. If it's not built, they can use that as "America is at war with Islam" propaganda.
343 | cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:31:42am |
re: #327 sattv4u2
Alabamas State Motto
Thank God for Mississippi!!
Texas state motto: We're Texas, you're not.
344 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:31:56am |
re: #337 ralphieboy
Remember that a lot of Americans had almost no concept of Islam until they were rudely introduced to it by 9/11. And to them, the two remain closely associated concepts, something that the anti-Islam agitators are big at exploiting.
Bingo. I have very close friends with a family much like our own who happen to be Muslim. Prior to 9/11 their kids didn't face anything more strange than the misconceptions my own LDS (Mormon) family faced. The occasional born again telling us we're going to hell, etc. Nothing earth shaking.
Since 9/11 I have worried about the kind of crap their kids have had to face.
Riddle me this: If they are subjected to threats and bullying in their youth will this increase or decrease the chances of any one of them sympathizing with radicals?
345 | darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:32:15am |
re: #340 cliffster
well, that's hard to believe. If you google "eclipse", you still actually get the website for the IDE in the top spot. hasn't yet been taken over by the goofy-ass book/movie yet..
I got the movie first, IDE second. But I use the IDE regularly and won't see the movie, so google can't change me...this time.
346 | laZardo Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:33:30am |
re: #344 DaddyG
Riddle me this: If they are subjected to threats and bullying in their youth will this increase or decrease the chances of any one of them sympathizing with radicals?
Depends on how they deal with it.
Had I not learned to deal with what I went through as the wimpy kid in school I would probably still symphatize with Timmy McVeigh(!) and his "collectively guilty" mentality today.
347 | avanti Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:33:44am |
re: #284 filetandrelease
There are plenty of posters here I respect, LVQ being one, but the constant pounding of the right with no balance as if the left is impugn to criticism is hard to take.
That's why part of me will miss Mandy. Yes, many of her links were nothing more than conservative fact twisting, but it did provide us with a chance to counter it. The last thing I want is a blog that is 100 % right or left, I need to connect with all sides.
I have the most fun on here when challenged, even when the challenge is occasionally lame.
348 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:33:54am |
re: #342 captdiggs
Why would the "Islamists"-- by whom I assume you mean Wahabbist types-- view the building of a Sufi community center whose Imam supports Israel as a victory?
349 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:33:55am |
re: #342 captdiggs
It's a win-win for them anyway.
If it's built the same Islamists will view it as a victory. If it's not built, they can use that as "America is at war with Islam" propaganda.
I think the victory mosque thing is an urban myth. The likes of Osama Bin Laden or the Taliban are not friends with the Sufis that are building this mosque. In fact if we weren't keeping them busy with our military they would be busy killing each other.
350 | jaunte Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:34:07am |
re: #343 cliffster
Texas state motto: We're Texas, you're not.
I like the Lyle Lovett version:
"That's right you're not from Texas,
(but Texas wants you anyway).
351 | darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:35:18am |
re: #344 DaddyG
Riddle me this: If they are subjected to threats and bullying in their youth will this increase or decrease the chances of any one of them sympathizing with radicals?
Threats and bullying won't turn them into radicals. Watching elected officials try to pass or change laws to keep their religion 'out of site, out of mind' for no apparent reason but to appease a bunch of bigots, however, could lead a person to joining a more oppositional group.
352 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:35:29am |
re: #344 DaddyG
Bingo. I have very close friends with a family much like our own who happen to be Muslim. Prior to 9/11 their kids didn't face anything more strange than the misconceptions my own LDS (Mormon) family faced. The occasional born again telling us we're going to hell, etc. Nothing earth shaking.
Since 9/11 I have worried about the kind of crap their kids have had to face.
Riddle me this: If they are subjected to threats and bullying in their youth will this increase or decrease the chances of any one of them sympathizing with radicals?
I suspect Glen Beck is not doing any good for the Mormon image. What I find interesting is that his "preaching" is much more closer to the vein of evangelical rhetoric, than that of the more low-keyed approach Mormon's seem to take in their evangelizing.
Has this become a topic of discussion in you ward or among you fellow Mormon brothers?
353 | cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:35:49am |
re: #345 darthstar
I got the movie first, IDE second. But I use the IDE regularly and won't see the movie, so google can't change me...this time.
really? that's weird. I've seen google come up with different order of results.. usually seems to be a browser thing. I guess they could be doing some intelligence based on past behaviors. If so, that's pretty telling for you...
354 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:36:02am |
Ouch - how did Mandy get herself banned? Was the trolling of her past posts giving ammo to Charles opponents or did she commit a fresh offense?
355 | humpty dumpty was pushed Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:36:22am |
@ Obdicut
" Maybe they'll turn out to be idiots who build a sucky community center with an over-chlorinated pool, peeling paint, and a restaurant with terrible food."
Lmao.
356 | cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:37:07am |
re: #354 DaddyG
Ouch - how did Mandy get herself banned? Was the trolling of her past posts giving ammo to Charles opponents or did she commit a fresh offense?
She lashed out at our host. Silly. I'm sure the trolling of her past posts didn't help any.
357 | darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:37:57am |
re: #356 cliffster
Wow...and she's been pretty well behaved the last few months.
358 | captdiggs Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:39:38am |
re: #348 Obdicut
Why would the "Islamists"-- by whom I assume you mean Wahabbist types-- view the building of a Sufi community center whose Imam supports Israel as a victory?
Because they have that 10th century mindset. They are not nitpicking articles about Rauf and whether the location is within a certain number of feet from the crater, or fine point about Sufism. They only see a proposed mosque at the site of the largest attack on American soil in modern history.
Michael Yon has commented on this based on his current observations in the heart of Afghanistan and his numerous muslim contacts in the region
359 | reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:41:59am |
Good morning all!
Well, my good deed for the day is done.
I have a cousin who was opposed to the NY Community Center.
We had a calm, factual conversation.
She's changed her mind.
w00t!
360 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:42:17am |
re: #358 captdiggs
Because they have that 10th century mindset. They are not nitpicking articles about Rauf and whether the location is within a certain number of feet from the crater, or fine point about Sufism. They only see a proposed mosque at the site of the largest attack on American soil in modern history.
Michael Yon has commented on this based on his current observations in the heart of Afghanistan and his numerous muslim contacts in the region
If you share the Islamist viewpoint that the War on Terror is a struggle between Islam and Christianity, then a building a mosque in lower Manhattan is a moral victory.
If you see the WOT as a struggle between enlightenment and fundamentalism, then forbidding a mosque there is a defeat.
361 | cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:43:26am |
re: #357 darthstar
Wow...and she's been pretty well behaved the last few months.
yeah, I'm very sad to see her go. But what do one expect.. Charles busts his ass and provides a free site for people to have a forum. Even if you get mad, you really shouldn't lash out at him. Oh well. I'm going to ask around and see who knows how to keep in touch.
362 | Lidane Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:45:50am |
re: #342 captdiggs
If it's built, it's just another target for the radical Al-Qaeda types. Park51 is a Sufi Muslim center. That puts it at a complete theological and ideological opposition to the fundamentalist nutjobs who planned 9/11.
The only thing that's a win for AQ are the images of the idiots protesting Park51, since those images play right into their propaganda of the ugly, angry Americans at war with Islam.
363 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:46:09am |
re: #352 Walter L. Newton
I suspect Glen Beck is not doing any good for the Mormon image. What I find interesting is that his "preaching" is much more closer to the vein of evangelical rhetoric, than that of the more low-keyed approach Mormon's seem to take in their evangelizing.
Has this become a topic of discussion in you ward or among you fellow Mormon brothers?
Believe it or not there was a bit of excitement over his national presence when he first came to prominance. Now our internal political discussions (which tend to take place in the halls and not Sunday school) are about as mixed as the general population.
Every Ward (geographically defined congregation) has a few Cleon Skousen or Birch Society fans (cranks?) but they are not mainstream. The ideas that flourished during the cold war are not central to our social views today. I believe that this is due in part to our continued influx of converts from all parts of society and the world.
I personally cringe a bit when the LDS Church uses celebrities to spread our message. You never know what is going to happen to their public image and living by celebrity can also mean dying by celebrity.
Some of the stuff Glenn Beck has been promoting recently is in fact opposed to our beliefs that all men should be able to worship according to the dictates of their conscience. His declarations that he is receiving inspiration are correct in as far as all men are able to receive inspiration from God, but our belief is that we receive revelation for our selves and those we have a stewardship over (family, church callings). He is bordering on being a self proclaimed prophet to declare that his teachings apply to the entire country. That is potentially opposed to our doctrines on revelation and I worry about that.
364 | Interesting Times Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:46:41am |
re: #358 captdiggs
Because they have that 10th century mindset. They are not nitpicking articles about Rauf and whether the location is within a certain number of feet from the crater, or fine point about Sufism.
How, then, would you explain this?
Lahore’s shrine bombed – outrageous, barbaric and unacceptable
This is a barbaric attack and should serve as a wake up call. Data Saheb’s shrine is not just another crowded place – it represents a millenia of tolerant Sufi Islam which is directly under attack by the puritans. Last year, there were threats and the government had closed the place for a day or two. This time the worst of nightmares has come true.
"Puritans", in this case, being al-Qaeda/wahabist types. If they bomb Sufi mosques in Pakistan and murder Sufi Muslims, why on earth would they see a Sufi mosque in NYC as a "victory" for their point of view?
365 | Stanghazi Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:48:26am |
366 | William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:48:28am |
I can't help but wonder, had the twin towers been brought down in an IRA terrorist attack, would we be seeing the same level of hyperventilation over the construction of a new parish church in that neighborhood? Somehow I doubt it, never mind that the same number would be just as dead by just as evil an organization.
367 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:48:29am |
Good morning, Daddy G.
"Talked" on facebook to my friend in Visalia. Seminary was pretty somber this morning.
I have faith they will work with the kids in that stake to help them with this.
368 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:49:07am |
re: #364 publicityStunted
"Puritans", in this case, being al-Qaeda/wahabist types. If they bomb Sufi mosques in Pakistan and murder Sufi Muslims, why on earth would they see a Sufi mosque in NYC as a "victory" for their point of view?
A richer target environment in the west? /
369 | Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:50:16am |
370 | captdiggs Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:51:02am |
re: #362 Lidane
Do you seriously think that AQ and the numerous other sub Islamist groups in the middle east and SW asia are debating the fine points about what kind of mosque, how close to ground zero, is it sufi, sunni, shia, Rauf's previous interviews, etc.?
They're not, and I seriously doubt that most of them even know Rauf's name.
371 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:51:32am |
re: #367 EmmmieG
Good morning, Daddy G.
"Talked" on facebook to my friend in Visalia. Seminary was pretty somber this morning.
I have faith they will work with the kids in that stake to help them with this.
Oh wow. wow. I didn't hear the news and just googled Vasalia LDS. How tragic!
The shooter wasn't LDS- I wonder why he picked the Bishop as a target? Of course muderous rage and insanity don't need reasons.
Left behind a wife and 6 children. wow.
372 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:51:46am |
373 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:52:02am |
re: #363 DaddyG
Believe it or not there was a bit of excitement over his national presence when he first came to prominance. Now our internal political discussions (which tend to take place in the halls and not Sunday school) are about as mixed as the general population.
Every Ward (geographically defined congregation) has a few Cleon Skousen or Birch Society fans (cranks?) but they are not mainstream. The ideas that flourished during the cold war are not central to our social views today. I believe that this is due in part to our continued influx of converts from all parts of society and the world.
I personally cringe a bit when the LDS Church uses celebrities to spread our message. You never know what is going to happen to their public image and living by celebrity can also mean dying by celebrity.
Some of the stuff Glenn Beck has been promoting recently is in fact opposed to our beliefs that all men should be able to worship according to the dictates of their conscience. His declarations that he is receiving inspiration are correct in as far as all men are able to receive inspiration from God, but our belief is that we receive revelation for our selves and those we have a stewardship over (family, church callings). He is bordering on being a self proclaimed prophet to declare that his teachings apply to the entire country. That is potentially opposed to our doctrines on revelation and I worry about that.
You just describe precisely what I have been noticing about Beck's "preachy" rhetoric, much more evangelical Christian than anything, especially in the "prophet" mode that he has been sliding in and out of.
He really has become self-proclaimed, in many areas, both as prophet, teacher, preacher and steward.
You say "I personally cringe a bit when the LDS Church uses celebrities to spread our message."
Are you suggesting he is doing this with the "blessing" of the church?
374 | jaunte Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:52:21am |
re: #360 ralphieboy
If you share the Islamist viewpoint that the War on Terror is a struggle between Islam and Christianity, then a building a mosque in lower Manhattan is a moral victory.
If you see the WOT as a struggle between enlightenment and fundamentalism, then forbidding a mosque there is a defeat.
Quoted for emphasis. Our support of enlightenment values is what makes us most dangerous to fundamentalist bullies.
375 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:52:54am |
re: #365 Stanley Sea
Good morn.
Anyone see this CNN fail?
Wasn't it obvious he was the one without lipstick? Duh. /
376 | captdiggs Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:53:02am |
re: #372 Obdicut
I don't think they are following the same details about all this that you are.
377 | Lidane Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:53:13am |
re: #370 captdiggs
Yes. That's the whole point for groups like AQ. It matters what kind of Islam is being taught. If it didn't matter to them, they wouldn't be blowing people up or flying planes into buildings.
Park51 would be just another target for them. It's Sufi and it's in America and it's not teaching what they believe. They'd blow it up just as easily as they would anything else.
378 | ShaunP Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:53:29am |
re: #370 captdiggs
Do you seriously think that AQ and the numerous other sub Islamist groups in the middle east and SW asia are debating the fine points about what kind of mosque, how close to ground zero, is it sufi, sunni, shia, Rauf's previous interviews, etc.?
They're not, and I seriously doubt that most of them even know Rauf's name.
Yikes.
The battle between sunni/shiite muslims is far older and more ingrained than the radical's fight with the US. It's ignorant to suggest that people that belong to the religion wouldn't know the difference...
379 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:54:15am |
re: #376 captdiggs
I don't think they are following the same details about all this that you are.
They kill Sufi muslims for being Sufi.
So what makes you think they'd celebrate a Sufi community center with an Imam who supports Israel?
Try an answer that doesn't involve saying Al Queda doesn't really pay that much attention to religious differences, because that's pathetic.
380 | darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:54:21am |
dKos has a good FP story/diary explaining some of the math around crowd counting for the Beck rally.
Does 13 square feet per person sound like a lot of space? (that's actually only 43x43 inches...)
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
381 | captdiggs Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:54:50am |
re: #378 ShaunP
It's ignorant to suggest that people that belong to the religion wouldn't know the difference.
That's not what I said.
382 | Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:54:53am |
re: #372 Obdicut
You think Wahabbists don't 'nitpick' over religious differences?
Wow.
The Taliban seems to like the idea.
383 | Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:55:09am |
re: #382 Jeff In Ohio
Linky
[Link: www.newsweek.com...]
384 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:55:41am |
re: #374 jaunte
Quoted for emphasis. Our support of enlightenment values is what makes us most dangerous to fundamentalist bullies.
Gosh, and I thought they just hated our freedoms...
385 | captdiggs Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:56:30am |
re: #379 Obdicut
This is becoming a circular argument.
If you want to belive that these folks are standing around reading the NY Time on their iphones...be my guest
386 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:56:40am |
re: #382 Jeff In Ohio
The Taliban seems to like the idea.
Yep. They love seeing moderate Muslims vilified and ostracized. What better recruiting tool for extremists?
387 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:56:42am |
re: #373 Walter L. Newton
You say "I personally cringe a bit when the LDS Church uses celebrities to spread our message."
Are you suggesting he is doing this with the "blessing" of the church?
No -the Church leadership does not endorse celebrities. I was thinking more of the times they have used celebrities in public relations clips (Steve Young, Gladys Knight...) and the tendency of rank and file Mormons to aggrandize those who have made it big in main stream media. Our best and most noble souls are not necessarily the best known among us. Of course why should I think we would be immune to being starstruck?
388 | elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:57:00am |
re: #366 wlewisiii
I can't help but wonder, had the twin towers been brought down in an IRA terrorist attack, would we be seeing the same level of hyperventilation over the construction of a new parish church in that neighborhood? Somehow I doubt it, never mind that the same number would be just as dead by just as evil an organization.
As a point of fact, there are two Catholic churches overlooking the northeast corner of the WTC site. Nobody would have cared.
389 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:57:02am |
re: #371 DaddyG
Oh wow. wow. I didn't hear the news and just googled Vasalia LDS. How tragic!
The shooter wasn't LDS- I wonder why he picked the Bishop as a target? Of course muderous rage and insanity don't need reasons.
Left behind a wife and 6 children. wow.
I first heard about it from my friend. Apprently, he just wantd to shoot the leader of the church, and locally, that's the bishop.
Small blessing--it was at 12:30, between wards, and most likely there were no children in the building at the time. Well, hopefully.
390 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:57:17am |
re: #385 captdiggs
You don't think that they know that the Imam is a Sufi? Is that actually your position?
391 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:57:40am |
re: #380 darthstar
dKos has a good FP story/diary explaining some of the math around crowd counting for the Beck rally.
Does 13 square feet per person sound like a lot of space? (that's actually only 43x43 inches...)
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
13 square feet is pretty generous, but by no means unreasonable. Particularly if there's a measured area which the crowd is supposed to fill - people expand to fill space, as a general rule.
392 | captdiggs Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:58:38am |
re: #390 Obdicut
You don't think that they know that the Imam is a Sufi? Is that actually your position?
I actually don't think most even know his name.
393 | laZardo Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:58:39am |
And now for news that is too sad to make up.
AUGUST 23--The Department of Justice is seeking to hire linguists fluent in Ebonics to help monitor, translate, and transcribe the secretly recorded conversations of subjects of narcotics investigations, according to federal records.
A maximum of nine Ebonics experts will work with the Drug Enforcement Administration’s Atlanta field division, where the linguists, after obtaining a “DEA Sensitive” security clearance, will help investigators decipher the results of “telephonic monitoring of court ordered nonconsensual intercepts, consensual listening devices, and other media”
The DEA’s need for full-time linguists specializing in Ebonics is detailed in bid documents related to the agency’s mid-May issuance of a request for proposal (RFP) covering the provision of as many as 2100 linguists for the drug agency’s various field offices. Answers to the proposal were due from contractors on July 29.
/sourced from my gun-enthusiast little brother's Twitter.
394 | Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:58:48am |
re: #386 Obdicut
Yep. They love seeing moderate Muslims vilified and ostracized. What better recruiting tool for extremists?
How this is even debatable eludes me.
395 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:59:35am |
re: #392 captdiggs
I actually don't think most even know his name.
That's an entirely different question. Do you seriously think they don't know he's a Sufi?
396 | Lidane Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:59:52am |
re: #390 Obdicut
You don't think that they know that the Imam is a Sufi? Is that actually your position?
He's suggesting that for AQ, Islam is Islam, so it doesn't matter if it's a Sufi mosque, or a Wahhabist one, or a Shia one. They'd consider Park51 a win no matter what just because it's Islamic.
Quite frankly, suggesting that AQ treats all Islam equally and that they'd be okay with a Sufi mosque is ridiculous. They see Sufis as blasphemers. Why in the hell would they support Park51?
397 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:00:15am |
re: #387 DaddyG
No -the Church leadership does not endorse celebrities. I was thinking more of the times they have used celebrities in public relations clips (Steve Young, Gladys Knight...) and the tendency of rank and file Mormons to aggrandize those who have made it big in main stream media. Our best and most noble souls are not necessarily the best known among us. Of course why should I think we would be immune to being starstruck?
I understand... I was just wondering at what point Beck is going to get some personal counseling from an Elder in his ward. I have long time Mormons in my family, and I know enough of the working of the church to realize that Beck is close to overstepping here.
398 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:00:31am |
re: #393 laZardo
[Link: www.anvari.org...]
399 | elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:00:45am |
re: #392 captdiggs
I actually don't think most even know his name.
Based on what, exactly? I'd keep it limited to the first four words there. See the link posted in #383 by Jeff In Ohio.
400 | Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:00:52am |
re: #370 captdiggs
Respectfully, I don't think you know shit about Islam.
401 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:02:46am |
re: #370 captdiggs
Do you seriously think that AQ and the numerous other sub Islamist groups in the middle east and SW asia are debating the fine points about what kind of mosque, how close to ground zero, is it sufi, sunni, shia, Rauf's previous interviews, etc.?
They're not, and I seriously doubt that most of them even know Rauf's name.
You overlook the fact thqat Al Qaida has killed more Muslims than it has Infidels.
402 | Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:03:45am |
re: #399 elbruce
Based on what, exactly? I'd keep it limited to the first four words there. See the link posted in #383 by Jeff In Ohio.
Doesn't really matter if they knos his name or if the center is founded is Sufi, Shia or Corn Flakes. People who need fodder to stroke religious extremism will use the fact that Americans are vilifying Muslims as the tool for recruitment.
403 | laZardo Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:04:20am |
re: #398 ralphieboy
[Link: www.anvari.org...]
I can't unhear all that in Mel Brooks' voice.
I'm sorry.
404 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:06:52am |
re: #397 Walter L. Newton
I understand... I was just wondering at what point Beck is going to get some personal counseling from an Elder in his ward. I have long time Mormons in my family, and I know enough of the working of the church to realize that Beck is close to overstepping here.
He may have already overstepped and been called on it. He is very adept in walking right up to the line and not quite crossing it. Any counselling in the church is going to be confidential unless he openly and knowingly opposed basic church doctrine and refused leaderships calls to stop. The LDS church does not typically take political stands. (Proposition 8 being a recent exception and a surprising one to me outside of defining marriage as a moral issue).
I was particularly disappointed in Beck, Romney and Reid (all politically prominent and public Mormons) for ditching on the New York Muslims given our own religious pioneers were driven from state to state for their peculiar beliefs and rumors of their dangerous ways.
405 | captdiggs Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:07:37am |
re: #400 Varek Raith
Respectfully, I don't think you know shit about Islam.
Respectfully...I have read the Koran and have various college level courses under my belt on Islamic culture as well as a close relative who I see often is a Phd in Islamic culture and we have many discussions.
In addition I have spent item in Islamic countries, a number of them.
My experiences include surviving a suicide truck bombing. Sheer luck.
So, what you "think" matters little to me.
406 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:08:23am |
re: #398 ralphieboy
[Link: www.anvari.org...]
I've given thought to writing a Bubbonics dictionary that translates common redneck utterances into english. But Jeff Foxworthy beat me to it.
408 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:10:23am |
re: #404 DaddyG
He may have already overstepped and been called on it. He is very adept in walking right up to the line and not quite crossing it. Any counselling in the church is going to be confidential unless he openly and knowingly opposed basic church doctrine and refused leaderships calls to stop. The LDS church does not typically take political stands. (Proposition 8 being a recent exception and a surprising one to me outside of defining marriage as a moral issue).
I was particularly disappointed in Beck, Romney and Reid (all politically prominent and public Mormons) for ditching on the New York Muslims given our own religious pioneers were driven from state to state for their peculiar beliefs and rumors of their dangerous ways.
We agree.
409 | elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:10:37am |
re: #405 captdiggs
Respectfully...I have read the Koran and have various college level courses under my belt on Islamic culture as well as a close relative who I see often is a Phd in Islamic culture and we have many discussions.
In addition I have spent item in Islamic countries, a number of them.
My experiences include surviving a suicide truck bombing. Sheer luck.
And yet you say you "think" that different theological branches of Islam play no part in their opinion of the Park51 site, and that they're uninformed of the issues involved in it? Don't think so. Color me skeptical of your claims of personal special knowledge.
410 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:11:10am |
re: #404 DaddyG
He may have already overstepped and been called on it. He is very adept in walking right up to the line and not quite crossing it. Any counselling in the church is going to be confidential unless he openly and knowingly opposed basic church doctrine and refused leaderships calls to stop. The LDS church does not typically take political stands. (Proposition 8 being a recent exception and a surprising one to me outside of defining marriage as a moral issue).
I was particularly disappointed in Beck, Romney and Reid (all politically prominent and public Mormons) for ditching on the New York Muslims given our own religious pioneers were driven from state to state for their peculiar beliefs and rumors of their dangerous ways.
I think the "offiicial" church stance can be found more in the partnership between the church and the Islamic Aid group.
411 | lawhawk Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:11:18am |
re: #380 darthstar
From that article:
To recap:* CBS low-end (78k): 13 sq. ft. per person
* CBS high-end (96k): 10 sq. ft. per person
* Beck low-end (300k): 3.3 sq. ft. per person
* Beck high-end (600k): 1.7 sq. ft. per personWhat would those numbers mean in real life? Let's look at it a couple of different ways. First, let's assume each person was was in standing in the middle of a perfect square and that nobody else was inside of their square. What would the dimensions be of each person's square?
* CBS low-end (78k): 43 inches by 43 inches
* CBS high-end (96k): 38 inches by 38 inches
* Beck low-end (300k): 22 inches by 22 inches
* Beck high-end (600k): 16 inches by 16 inches
A NYC subway at maximum capacity figured by the MTA assumes a 2sf per person. You can get about 240 people in a typical subway car (seated and standing). Some people closest to the podium appear closer together, but those furthest away were more sparsely assembled. An average? Probably somewhere between the Beck and CBS figures.
412 | darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:12:37am |
re: #391 thedopefishlives
13 square feet is pretty generous, but by no means unreasonable. Particularly if there's a measured area which the crowd is supposed to fill - people expand to fill space, as a general rule.
Yep, and an easy way to observe that behavior (filling in space) is by simply stepping into an elevator. (though people also tend to "balance" the elevator by moving into the void left by departing passengers at a given floor - a fun experiment is to move with the person going into the void, leaving a void back where you both stood before)
413 | captdiggs Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:16:45am |
re: #409 elbruce
You view is shaped by your immersion in the media here.
I will remind you that despite the fact that wahabbist Islam view sufism with either skepticism or stronger feelings of heresy, that does not stop Rauf from visting Saudi Arabia nor getting Saudi support, moral or otherwise, for the project.
Assuming that some things do not override traditional inter-muslim animosities is a huge mistake.
I have encountered people who don't believe that Hamas has the support of Iran because of the sunni-shia schism.
415 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:19:12am |
re: #410 EmmmieG
I think the "offiicial" church stance can be found more in the partnership between the church and the Islamic Aid group.
Ya know all them poligymasts stick together don't ya? /
416 | Four More Tears Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:19:14am |
417 | laZardo Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:20:19am |
418 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:20:54am |
re: #415 DaddyG
Ya know all them poligymasts stick together don't ya? /
Then they should try making their strawberry freezer jam in different kitchens.
419 | cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:21:03am |
re: #412 darthstar
Yep, and an easy way to observe that behavior (filling in space) is by simply stepping into an elevator. (though people also tend to "balance" the elevator by moving into the void left by departing passengers at a given floor - a fun experiment is to move with the person going into the void, leaving a void back where you both stood before)
are crowds subject to the gas laws? Vp/T = k?
420 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:23:02am |
re: #414 elbruce
Facebook has given humanity an endless chance to publicly look like fools.
My daughter was explaining to me what a duckbill was the other day.
421 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:23:52am |
re: #413 captdiggs
You view is shaped by your immersion in the media here.
I will remind you that despite the fact that wahabbist Islam view sufism with either skepticism or stronger feelings of heresy, that does not stop Rauf from visting Saudi Arabia nor getting Saudi support, moral or otherwise, for the project.
Assuming that some things do not override traditional inter-muslim animosities is a huge mistake.
I have encountered people who don't believe that Hamas has the support of Iran because of the sunni-shia schism.
I've found more poeple I've discussed the issue with have been influenced by immersion in media that refers to "ground zero mosque" than have been influenced by any clue that Islam is broken into several sects with diverse beliefs.
Islam is not monolithic, even in its views of the west.
I still think promoting American Muslims right to worship as they see fit would have been a win/win for America against those who would mix religion and governance (Christian and Muslim) then fight over who gets to be supreme.
422 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:24:51am |
re: #411 lawhawk
Why do you think the figures from the three independent experts aren't accurate?
423 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:24:57am |
re: #419 cliffster
are crowds subject to the gas laws? Vp/T = k?
Actually, you may laugh at this, but people who design high-traffic spaces generally treat crowds of people as a fluid. Traffic engineers do the same thing with cars. People pressure is a very real and very fascinating phenomenon.
424 | elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:26:00am |
re: #413 captdiggs
You view is shaped by your immersion in the media here.
Not really. I recognize that there may be some "chips is down" situations where the fact that Al Qaeda and the Cordoba Initiative are both Muslims would count for more than anything else. But they're trying to pull Islam in diametrically opposed directions, and therefore would oppose one another's aims. Now, AQ would never attack the mosque - it's still a mosque. But they can't view it as a "victory" for "their side" given the purposes (interfaith, education) to which it will be put.
425 | elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:27:31am |
re: #411 lawhawk
An average? Probably somewhere between the Beck and CBS figures.
I'm going to throw in the number 60 ft. per person, straight outta nowhere. Do you have to chuck that into your average now too?
427 | cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:29:20am |
re: #423 thedopefishlives
Actually, you may laugh at this, but people who design high-traffic spaces generally treat crowds of people as a fluid. Traffic engineers do the same thing with cars. People pressure is a very real and very fascinating phenomenon.
haha, I've heard traffic flow used to describe fluid dynamics, but I didn't know the analogy was pure enough to do the opposite...
428 | Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:29:25am |
430 | Lidane Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:31:20am |
re: #429 cliffster
inconceivable!
I'm trying desperately not to laugh at that. I'm currently in class and my professor looks a lot like The Sicilian from the Princess Bride. XD
431 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:31:24am |
re: #427 cliffster
haha, I've heard traffic flow used to describe fluid dynamics, but I didn't know the analogy was pure enough to do the opposite...
There's a whole area of study of battlefield dynamics that treats it as mainly a problem of crowd dynamics, which also use the fluid dynamic equations. It helps explain stuff like Agincourt, where the French compressed themselves into a small space and started falling down and dying even without the aid of English arrows.
432 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:31:49am |
re: #420 EmmmieG
Which, I should probably explain, is that face umpteen gazillion teenage girls make in their profile picture.
3/4 profile, probalby a hat, lips pouted out ridiculously, making the little "V" symbol with their fingers.
The first one got away with it.
434 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:32:36am |
re: #427 cliffster
haha, I've heard traffic flow used to describe fluid dynamics, but I didn't know the analogy was pure enough to do the opposite...
Observe a little bit the next time you're stuck in traffic. The patterns of motion starting and stopping are remarkably similar to back pressure waves from opening and closing a water valve. That asshole who drives on the shoulder, by analogy, must be a leak in the pipe. ;)
435 | Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:32:42am |
re: #430 Lidane
I'm trying desperately not to laugh at that. I'm currently in class and my professor looks a lot like The Sicilian from the Princess Bride. XD
Quick!
Make Lidane LOL.
:)
436 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:33:37am |
Have been meaning to embed these for quite a while:
Special AKA - Racist Friend:
Tocotronic version:
437 | prairiefire Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:33:40am |
re: #432 EmmmieG
Which, I should probably explain, is that face umpteen gazillion teenage girls make in their profile picture.
3/4 profile, probalby a hat, lips pouted out ridiculously, making the little "V" symbol with their fingers.
The first one got away with it.
My daughter's first facebook profile was an anime girl holding a large revolver. I was so upset I was shaking. She was told never, ever, never again.
439 | Bear Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:35:58am |
Two Officers killed in Hoonah, an Alaska Tlingit Village.
[Link: www.adn.com...]
440 | cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:36:27am |
re: #431 Obdicut
so what's the study of thousands of dudes marching across an open field while guerrilla fighters jump out and fire at them? fishinabarrelology?
441 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:38:22am |
re: #437 prairiefire
My daughter's first facebook profile was an anime girl holding a large revolver. I was so upset I was shaking. She was told never, ever, never again.
I think my daughter currently uses her own photography (of something else) as her profile. It was a compromise with her dad over safety issues.
442 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:39:04am |
re: #440 cliffster
I think it's called FailureToAdaptology.
There's also LetsAttackMoscowInTheWinterAgainology, also known as ShitTheresNoFoodTheTownsAreOnFireAndMyUrineFrozeInMyUrethraology.
443 | Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:39:56am |
re: #442 Obdicut
I think it's called FailureToAdaptology.
There's also LetsAttackMoscowInTheWinterAgainology, also known as ShitTheresNoFoodTheTownsAreOnFireAndMyUrineFrozeIn MyUrethraology.
AKA, SNAFU.
445 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:40:54am |
re: #442 Obdicut
Something akin to "NeverStartALandWarInAsiaology"?
446 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:44:02am |
re: #445 thedopefishlives
Something akin to "NeverStartALandWarInAsiaology"?
I have a six foot four, two hundred forty pound Chinese/Jewish friend who's an expert in Krav Maga. My nickname for him is "The Land War In Asia" and "The Most Improbable Badass".
447 | Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:44:27am |
re: #446 Obdicut
I have a six foot four, two hundred forty pound Chinese/Jewish friend who's an expert in Krav Maga. My nickname for him is "The Land War In Asia" and "The Most Improbable Badass".
LOL
448 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:45:59am |
re: #445 thedopefishlives
Something akin to "NeverStartALandWarInAsiaology"?
Though there's also the subdiscipline of We'reMongolsWeLikeWinterJustFineThanksology, which explains the only group of people to both conquer (most of) China and Russia.
449 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:46:04am |
re: #441 EmmmieG
I think my daughter currently uses her own photography (of something else) as her profile. It was a compromise with her dad over safety issues.
I have two Facebook rules. Over 14 and Dad is your first friend. I've had very little trouble and their friends have even been careful not to be too "revealing".
We did have a bad scene a few months back when a "friend" of my daughter took a clandestie underwear phone picture of her during a slumber party then used the picture to "sext" boys. When one of the boys tried to contact my daughter on Facebook she immediately figured out what had happened and put the record straight. To his credit the boy sent her the picture and texts as evidence and deleted his copy.
In this case she did almost everything right (except get caught in her relatively modest underwear at the party). The "friend" is no longer.
450 | Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:48:10am |
Sure enough the Drudge report is trying to pimp up the Obama on the bicycle photo for the wingnuts. This time he's playing it alongside a "macho" photo of Putin. I'd love to see these wingnuts live under the iron fist of Putin.
451 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:48:37am |
re: #450 Gus 802
Sure enough the Drudge report is trying to pimp up the Obama on the bicycle photo for the wingnuts. This time he's playing it alongside a "macho" photo of Putin. I'd love to see these wingnuts live under the iron fist of Putin.
Or the moonbats.
452 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:49:14am |
re: #449 DaddyG
I have two Facebook rules. Over 14 and Dad is your first friend. I've had very little trouble and their friends have even been careful not to be too "revealing".
We did have a bad scene a few months back when a "friend" of my daughter took a clandestie underwear phone picture of her during a slumber party then used the picture to "sext" boys. When one of the boys tried to contact my daughter on Facebook she immediately figured out what had happened and put the record straight. To his credit the boy sent her the picture and texts as evidence and deleted his copy.
In this case she did almost everything right (except get caught in her relatively modest underwear at the party). The "friend" is no longer.
One of our rules is: Mom & Dad know your passwords. Always.
You want privacy, you can have it on your own computer, which you bought with your own money, and sits in your own house, which you bought with money from your job.
453 | Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:49:25am |
re: #451 Walter L. Newton
Or the moonbats.
Yes. But I'm talking about a different context here. Drudge. Wingnuts. Obama on the bicycle. Etc.
454 | elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:50:50am |
But we must not forget all of the pro-Putin, anti-Obama moonbats. Not being fair and balanced if you leave them out... //
455 | William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:51:10am |
re: #450 Gus 802
Sure enough the Drudge report is trying to pimp up the Obama on the bicycle photo for the wingnuts. This time he's playing it alongside a "macho" photo of Putin. I'd love to see these wingnuts live under the iron fist of Putin.
Just remember his name may be spelled P-u-t-i-n but it's pronounced Stalin.
456 | darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:52:05am |
re: #450 Gus 802
Sure enough the Drudge report is trying to pimp up the Obama on the bicycle photo for the wingnuts. This time he's playing it alongside a "macho" photo of Putin. I'd love to see these wingnuts live under the iron fist of Putin.
Drudge is 20 years away from being the next Ken Mehlman....he loves him some of Putin's pecs.
457 | Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:53:35am |
re: #456 darthstar
Drudge is 20 years away from being the next Ken Mehlman...he loves him some of Putin's pecs.
I thought about that. Was tempted to get a pic of Putin and using the white paint brush over it like Perez Hilton. I'm sure that's what ol' Matt is thinking.
458 | darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:56:52am |
re: #457 Gus 802
I thought about that. Was tempted to get a pic of Putin and using the white paint brush over it like Perez Hilton. I'm sure that's what ol' Matt is thinking.
What I find hilarious, and a little frightening, is the about-face the Republicans are taking toward Putin, who has proved himself to be less than pro-American. Back when Bush was president(after the "I looked into his soul" bullshit), Putin was actually seen by many as an adversary more than an ally...now he's heroic to them?
459 | Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:57:37am |
re: #456 darthstar
Drudge is 20 years away from being the next Ken Mehlman...he loves him some of Putin's pecs.
[Link: t1.gstatic.com...]
460 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:58:39am |
re: #389 EmmmieG
I first heard about it from my friend. Apprently, he just wantd to shoot the leader of the church, and locally, that's the bishop.
Small blessing--it was at 12:30, between wards, and most likely there were no children in the building at the time. Well, hopefully.
No motive in the shooting. It doesn't look like one will be forthcoming. The shooter committed suicide by cop. He phoned in his location and started a shootout with police.
The guy was obviously disturbed. Why he chose the local LDS ward is anyones guess.
461 | elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:59:46am |
re: #456 darthstar
Drudge is 20 years away from being the next Ken Mehlman...he loves him some of Putin's pecs.
462 | Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:00:33am |
re: #458 darthstar
What I find hilarious, and a little frightening, is the about-face the Republicans are taking toward Putin, who has proved himself to be less than pro-American. Back when Bush was president(after the "I looked into his soul" bullshit), Putin was actually seen by many as an adversary more than an ally...now he's heroic to them?
It's his machismo, militarism, and hard line on Chechnya. Mostly though I think he plays into their Rambo fantasies about what an American president should look like. Many will say this is not true but I have seen plenty of people on the American far-right fawning over Putin. This even went alongside their referencing of Pravda during 2009.
463 | darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:01:32am |
464 | elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:02:17am |
re: #462 Gus 802
I think he plays into their Rambo fantasies about what an American president should look like.
Right, a near-absolute dictator who has people murdered at will. Whenever the left points this out they cry and moan about being maligned, though.
465 | elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:03:40am |
466 | Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:03:50am |
467 | Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:05:14am |
re: #466 Varek Raith
You're just jealous.
/
Clearly he at least passes the Ed Morrissey Alpha Male Test™.
468 | tradewind Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:05:21am |
re: #422 Obdicut
Probably from first-hand experience with ' expert witnesses '.
You get what you pay for.
469 | cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:07:23am |
re: #462 Gus 802
have we ever had a president that looked like that? Taft?
471 | Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:10:04am |
re: #468 tradewind
Probably from first-hand experience with ' expert witnesses '.
You get what you pay for.
I'll take the scientific analysis of 3 independent experts over... well, the other side's done nothing but pull numbers out of their asses.
473 | DaddyG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:12:38am |
re: #472 Gus 802
Putin spelled backwards reads mafia.
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Putin has the same letters as Pinut. Its a Jimmy Carter conspiracy! /
474 | darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:14:25am |
475 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:16:22am |
More crass elitism from the professional political class...
Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson violated rules, steered scholarships to relatives
Longtime Dallas congresswoman Eddie Bernice Johnson has awarded thousands of dollars in college scholarships to four relatives and a top aide's two children since 2005, using foundation funds set aside for black lawmakers' causes.
[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]
I'm really getting sick of politicians, the whole spectrum of them.
476 | tradewind Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:22:45am |
re: #475 Walter L. Newton
Not Eddie Bernice!
The Black Caucus was already upset. I don't think they're going to take a third investigation of an African American democrat lying down.
Who's the chair of the House ethics committee, anyway? Could be a double agent.
477 | allegro Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:24:42am |
re: #461 elbruce
Whoa. He's actually pretty hot in a James Bond bad guy kinda way.
478 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:18:49am |
Putin worked for the KGB, which used to be the Arch Enemy of Freedom until Reagan won the Cold War and AQ stepped in to take its place.
479 | elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:27:09am |
re: #478 ralphieboy
Putin worked for the KGB, which used to be the Arch Enemy of Freedom until Reagan won the Cold War and AQ stepped in to take its place.
Sounds like a good right-wing description. Is it just me, or does the way that wingnuts think of geopolitical events remind anybody else of a four-color comic book?
480 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:42:51am |
re: #479 elbruce
Sounds like a good right-wing description. Is it just me, or does the way that wingnuts think of geopolitical events remind anybody else of a four-color comic book?
No, they remind one of the Hollywood film adaption of a four-color comic book. Comic books themselves are too intellectually advanced for them.
481 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:53:12am |
re: #270 iceweasel
Please. Now you get a downding for the original.
BTW, Where did I use the word happy? Didn't happen. Yep, I'm glad she's gone, I fully support Charles's decision. Too bad for you.
So you're glad but not happy.
Do you really think you fool anyone with that garbage?
482 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:00:46pm |
re: #273 Obdicut
I do feel it's unwise for Lawhawk to post stories that are obvious dirt-digging on Rauf. How you translate that into an accusation of promoting bigotry I don't know. Dirt-digging isn't bigotry. It's typical sensationalist yellow journalism.
It'll make some bigots happy, sure, to see Rauf being castigated as a bad landlord. That doesn't mean everyone talking about the story is a bigot, or promoting bigotry.
There seems to be this odd disconnect where people think the statement "There are no non-bigoted reasons to object to the community center" equates to "every single person not supporting the building 100% is a bigot".
Why not just apologize to lawhawk for the putrid accusation you levelled at him for reporting relevant facts.
483 | Obdicut Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:03:01pm |
re: #482 Spare O'Lake
Why not just apologize to lawhawk for the putrid accusation you levelled at him for reporting relevant facts.
I stand by everything I said, completely and utterly.
485 | Ziggy Standard Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:45:44pm |
re: #481 Spare O'Lake
So you're glad but not happy.
Do you really think you fool anyone with that garbage?
Check out the bottom ten every day, Spare. Guess what? It's you who is fooling no one with your garbage.
486 | BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:55:54pm |
re: #481 Spare O'Lake
So you're glad but not happy.
Do you really think you fool anyone with that garbage?
On the contrary, my butthurt friend-- I am glad Mandy was banned, for all the reasons I gave: primarily that she was awful, horrible, for the site. How many more times would you like me to say that? ;)
I am also happy--at being reunited with Jimmah, with my life in general, and being a newlywed. Ecstatically happy. See, I reserve emotions like 'happiness' for events taking place in my real life with people I actually know.
Which is why literally nothing you can say, or anyone, can ever succeed in making me unhappy-- or make me seethe with rage the way you obviously are.
How about logging off and reminding yourself about priorities, Spare?
Try it. Who knows, you might be happy yourself someday.
See ya!
487 | b_sharp Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:00:27pm |
re: #486 iceweasel
On the contrary, my butthurt friend-- I am glad Mandy was banned, for all the reasons I gave: primarily that she was awful, horrible, for the site. How many more times would you like me to say that? ;)
I am also happy--at being reunited with Jimmah, with my life in general, and being a newlywed. Ecstatically happy. See, I reserve emotions like 'happiness' for events taking place in my real life with people I actually know.
Which is why literally nothing you can say, or anyone, can ever succeed in making me unhappy-- or make me seethe with rage the way you obviously are.
How about logging off and reminding yourself about priorities, Spare?
Try it. Who knows, you might be happy yourself someday.See ya!
Hey Ice, how are you doing?
I see you felt like slapping SOL up side of the head. Sometimes it's necessary.
488 | BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:03:05pm |
re: #487 b_sharp
Hey Ice, how are you doing?
I see you felt like slapping SOL up side of the head. Sometimes it's necessary.
hey b sharp! What's up? How have you been? I'm painting furniture and we're about to order in some Indian food for dinner. :)
489 | b_sharp Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:13:37pm |
re: #488 iceweasel
hey b sharp! What's up? How have you been? I'm painting furniture and we're about to order in some Indian food for dinner. :)
I'm sitting at home, supposed to be doing my weekly paper work, but instead I'm giving in to my latest addiction, LGF.
This place has been a mess lately, but that makes it all the more interesting. I just wish my 'won't' was stronger so I could resist spending so much time here.
490 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:44:04pm |
re: #458 darthstar
What I find hilarious, and a little frightening, is the about-face the Republicans are taking toward Putin, who has proved himself to be less than pro-American. Back when Bush was president(after the "I looked into his soul" bullshit), Putin was actually seen by many as an adversary more than an ally...now he's heroic to them?
Sure. He's still slaughtering Muslims in Chechnya, he fits into the whole White Race Struggling Against the Asian Hordes Crap, he has Iron Fist...what the hell is there for a bunch of fledgling middle-class fascists who will never actually have to live in his god-awful country not to like?
491 | ClaudeMonet Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:16:00pm |
re: #128 Obdicut
Que?
I don't think shooting people for hate crimes is going to get us where we need to be.
Perhaps, but killing one leaves one less a**hole hater in the world. It's a sure thing vs. a dream.
492 | ClaudeMonet Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:19:27pm |
re: #146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh. I'm kind of bummed.
State motto of Oklahoma?: Like the play, only no singing.
The lyrics to the state song should be--
Oklahoma, where the wind comes whippin' down the plain
And whippin' down the plain
And whippin' down the plain
And whippin' down the plain
And whippin' down the plain
And whippin' down the plain
And whippin' down the plain
And whippin' down the plain
And whippin' down the plain
And whippin' down the &%#$@!+^$ plain...
493 | ClaudeMonet Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:21:15pm |
re: #150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've played Curly three times.
Who won? :)
I saw that show sooooo many times when I lived in OK that I have little desire to ever see it again. I auditioned for Ali Hakim once, got another part in another show while they dithered.
494 | ClaudeMonet Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:23:48pm |
re: #169 Jimmah
She's still never eaten haggis. That will change soon :)
There are worse things to eat. Like lutefisk. Or the cooking of either of my grandmothers, may they rest in peace.
495 | ClaudeMonet Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:29:56pm |
re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
State fairs are proof that hell is full and the dead are walking the Earth.
I love state fairs, even though I haven't been to one in about ten years. Texas had the best one of those I've attended, Oklahoma's was fun (and only about three miles from my apartment in OKC), and Ohio's is like an old friend you don't see often. I am careful about what I eat at fairs, though .
The best/worst part is the ladies in their stretch pants.
496 | ClaudeMonet Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:03:58pm |
re: #253 Obdicut
I'll have some fun as soon as I can figure out what "Exempt from backup withholding" means on my W-9 form.
It means that you don't want the bank or whoever to withhold any federal tax from their payments (interest, dividends, non-employee compensation) to you.
Check the box, sign the form, and send it back, unless you want them to start/continue to withhold taxes.re: #334 darthstar
California's state motto: "Eureka!"
(when you've got a cool state motto, you don't have to joke about it)
Ohio's state motto is, "With God, All Things Are Possible". It doesn't say anything as to whether those possible things are desirable, though.
re: #423 thedopefishlives
Actually, you may laugh at this, but people who design high-traffic spaces generally treat crowds of people as a fluid. Traffic engineers do the same thing with cars. People pressure is a very real and very fascinating phenomenon.
I wish traffic engineers would get it through their heads that no matter how short a time people sit at a stop light, they'll still be surprised and unable to react when it turns green. "Hello, stupid! Is that light not f***ing green enough for you?"
re: #446 Obdicut
I have a six foot four, two hundred forty pound Chinese/Jewish friend who's an expert in Krav Maga. My nickname for him is "The Land War In Asia" and "The Most Improbable Badass".
That is hysterical.