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1 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:13:18pm

I declare this thread an algebra free zone!
(Or a bra free zone, I can’t decide!)
///

2 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:14:22pm

Thank you Charles. Just in time. And I’m with Floral.
/In the back of a car!!

3 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:15:50pm

re: #1 Floral Giraffe

an algae free zone?

Off to work, catch up with youse later…

4 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:17:07pm

re: #1 Floral Giraffe

Option Two! Option Two! Option Two!

5 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:17:19pm

I hope You Know Who and Yeah, Him Too don’t come over.

In the mean time, I emailed Charles this Mind Bending Shee-It, algebra free…

6 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:18:34pm

CAT 4, baby.

7 Stanley Sea  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:18:43pm

Anyone watch Top Chef? The Astronauts on the space station broadcast the challenge - create a meal for the space station!

Very very very cool.

Oh, and here comes Buzz Aldrin!

8 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:20:01pm

Feds sue Abercrombie & Fitch over Muslim scarf

Read more: [Link: www.sfgate.com…]

Sounds like a minor controversy that will turn into a major controversy missing the point of the original issue. Color me pessy… .(pessimistic)

9 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:20:57pm

re: #6 Cannadian Club Akbar

CAT 4, baby.

Oh, FWIW, my mom and step dad just moved to NC. Called mom this morning to find out how things were going. She said it was sunny and not a cloud in the sky. She lives on the west side of the state. Didn’t know that part.

10 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:21:56pm

re: #8 BigPapa

Private company with a dress code. OH NOES!!!

11 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:24:16pm

re: #10 Cannadian Club Akbar

Private company with a dress code. OH NOES!!!

I had a girl once tell me that she should sue the company because I wouldn’t give her a job because she was a lesbian. I told her that her green hair didn’t fit with the family feel of the place.

12 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:25:31pm

I think the ‘Islamicalness’ or religion should not be the real issue.

13 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:26:01pm

re: #5 BigPapa

We’ve touched the sky and plumbed the depths, and though we have only scratched the surface of what can be known, we have found the answers to a multitude of mysteries that a million backward religions fear to contemplate.

14 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:27:45pm

I’ve got Patti Smith’s version of “Smells LIke Teen Spirit” in my ears right now. Pure bluegrass. (!) Good time & place to walk away.

Good night all.

William

15 elbruce  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:27:51pm

re: #8 BigPapa

Feds sue Abercrombie & Fitch over Muslim scarf

Read more: [Link: www.sfgate.com…]

Sounds like a minor controversy that will turn into a major controversy missing the point of the original issue. Color me pessy… .(pessimistic)


Judging by their ads, I believe Abercrombie & Fitch’s dress code is full nudity.

16 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:28:02pm

re: #9 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, FWIW, my mom and step dad just moved to NC. Called mom this morning to find out how things were going. She said it was sunny and not a cloud in the sky. She lives on the west side of the state. Didn’t know that part.

Hope the storm misses your family, and everyone else.

17 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:28:42pm

re: #15 elbruce

Judging by their ads, I believe Abercrombie & Fitch’s dress code is full nudity.

Ever seen the video where a hundred shirtless men go shopping at A&F?

Divine.

18 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:28:50pm

re: #16 Floral Giraffe

Hope the storm misses your family, and everyone else.

This thing is one big fucker.

19 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:31:14pm

re: #8 BigPapa

Feds sue Abercrombie & Fitch over Muslim scarf

Read more: [Link: www.sfgate.com…]

Sounds like a minor controversy that will turn into a major controversy missing the point of the original issue. Color me pessy… .(pessimistic)

I walked into Hollister the other day (I can’t do A & F because of their perfume policy).

They’re selling plaid button up shirts for girls that roll up to the elbow.

I was wearing a plaid button up shirt that rolled up to the elbow.

I bought it in the “Mom’s” section of JC Penney.

I cracked up and walked out.

20 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:31:25pm

re: #17 SanFranciscoZionist

Ever seen the video where a hundred shirtless men go shopping at A&F?

Divine.

Here we are.

21 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:31:35pm

re: #15 elbruce

Judging by their ads, I believe Abercrombie & Fitch’s dress code is full nudity.

It’s White Preppy Trash! yes, I just made that up, right here. No scotch…. yet.

22 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:34:37pm

re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist

Here we are.

That vid would be a big hit in San Fran. In Boystown in Chicago, too. Nothing wrong with that, though.

23 Nimed  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:36:53pm

So… I know people may be tiring of this issue, but I think Cato had a point in labeling the squirrel dude a moonbat.

24 elbruce  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:37:27pm

re: #10 Cannadian Club Akbar

Private company with a dress code. OH NOES!!!

I’m not sure in what sense you’re saying they’re “private.” But here’s the important part from the link:

Federal law requires employers to accommodate their workers’ religious practices unless they would cause an undue hardship.

Hopefully they’ll just settle and move on. I doubt if A&F can rationally argue “undue hardship” over a head scarf.

25 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:37:48pm

The forces of evil + algebra will always be > the forces of good.

Because you can’t be Smart without algebra.

26 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:38:22pm

Maybe I should get a job at Abercrombie. I worship carbohydrates and that wonderful animal yeast who give us bread and adult beverages.

I look great with my shirt off if I’m wearing a robe, petting a small toy dog, with a grotesquely large pinky ring.

27 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:38:49pm

Cross thread grudges are stupid and juvenile. JMHO.

28 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:39:50pm

re: #25 Cato the Elder

The forces of evil + algebra will always be > the forces of good.

Because you can’t be Smart without algebra.

OK Cato, that’s like five threads you’ve dragged your butthurt into.

Do you really think people give a shit anymore?

29 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:39:51pm

I’m going to bed. Cato, Ludwig, please settle this dispute and then hug it out.

Goodnight, all.

30 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:39:52pm

re: #24 elbruce

I’m not sure in what sense you’re saying they’re “private.” But here’s the important part from the link:

Hopefully they’ll just settle and move on. I doubt if A&F can rationally argue “undue hardship” over a head scarf.

But since they sell clothes they might want employees to wear their clothes, and only their clothes.

31 elbruce  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:40:18pm

re: #23 Nimed

So… I know people may be tiring of this issue, but I think Cato had a point in labeling the squirrel dude a moonbat.

In that case the guy who crashed a plane into that office building in Vegas is a wingnut, because he was mad about taxes.

I don’t think any case that nutty can be fit into a neat ideological pigeonhole. But if you think we should, then riddle me this - which one is this guy? (actually a good read, btw)

32 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:40:35pm

re: #27 Slumbering Behemoth

Cross thread grudges are stupid and juvenile. JMHO.

Quite Concur.

33 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:40:42pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to bed. Cato, Ludwig, please settle this dispute and then hug it out.

Goodnight, all.

Um, could they do a fistbump instead? I think everyone would be more comfortable that way.

34 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:41:27pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to bed. Cato, Ludwig, please settle this dispute and then hug it out.

Goodnight, all.

That isn’t going to happen for other reasons. Cato is persona non grata. but not because he can’t do algebra.

35 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:41:45pm

re: #27 Slumbering Behemoth

Cross thread grudges are stupid and juvenile. JMHO.

87,000 people just read that post. It’s not humble!

36 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:42:02pm

re: #35 BigPapa

87,000 people just read that post. It’s not humble!

This is true.

37 elbruce  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:42:03pm

re: #34 LudwigVanQuixote

Cato is persona non grata.

Is that Latin for “I can’t stop talking about him?”

38 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:42:03pm

re: #31 elbruce

When I see the manifesto, it makes me think of Good Will Hunting.

39 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:42:44pm

re: #28 LudwigVanQuixote

OK Cato, that’s like five threads you’ve dragged your butthurt into.

Do you really think people give a shit anymore?

I wish you a gifted but mathematically inept son into whose brain you try to beat your especially God-favored form of intelligence. He will weep to have you for a teacher.

40 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:43:16pm

re: #39 Cato the Elder

I wish you a gifted but mathematically inept son into whose brain you try to beat your especially God-favored form of intelligence. He will weep to have you for a teacher.

Give it a rest already you gimp.

41 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:43:45pm

I’ll stick around if you guys make me laugh and don’t take yourselves too seriously.

42 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:44:04pm

re: #34 LudwigVanQuixote

That isn’t going to happen for other reasons. Cato is persona non grata. but not because he can’t do algebra.

You are going to make such an excellent dad.

43 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:44:17pm

re: #37 elbruce

Is that Latin for “I can’t stop talking about him?”

NO, I think the posts from him in ratio to mine shows him bitching two or three to one and cross thread.

But good try. And really, I am on to you.

44 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:44:50pm

re: #42 Cato the Elder

You are going to make such an excellent dad.

Cato, give it a rest already.

45 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:45:02pm

re: #25 Cato the Elder

DUDE! This was to be algebra free….

46 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:45:10pm

re: #35 BigPapa

87,000 people just read that post. It’s not humble!

The opinion is humble. Me? I am an arrogant bastard. A humbly arrogant bastard.

47 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:46:24pm

re: #46 Slumbering Behemoth

The opinion is humble. Me? I am an arrogant bastard. A humbly arrogant bastard.

Cute, too.
In case no one has told you that lately!

48 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:46:25pm

re: #44 LudwigVanQuixote

Cato, give it a rest already.

Of course, wise man who knows who should have the vote.

I defer.

49 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:46:27pm

re: #45 Floral Giraffe

DUDE! This was to be algebra free…

Didn’t you mean bitching about algebra free?

After all, algebra is everywhere :)

50 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:47:12pm

contrary to liberal propaganda, arabs had nothing to do with algebra whatsoever or so i read on a very informative site

51 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:47:20pm

re: #49 LudwigVanQuixote

*smooch*
Just for being you.

52 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:47:23pm

re: #48 Cato the Elder

Of course, wise man who knows who should have the vote.

I defer.

You really are an attention whore aren’t you? Is your life that empty?

53 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:47:54pm

And since I had to work tonight I never got to say I was glad the nutball at the Discovery Channel won’t stand trial.

54 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:47:54pm

re: #47 Floral Giraffe

Shit. Did I forget to turn off my webcam?

/heh. “forget”.

55 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:48:06pm

re: #50 SpaceJesus

contrary to liberal propaganda, arabs had nothing to do with algebra whatsoever or so i read on a very informative site

Dude…. al-gebra. Nuff sed.

56 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:48:08pm

re: #52 LudwigVanQuixote

You really are an attention whore aren’t you? Is your life that empty?

Is yours?

57 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:48:09pm

im all for having people who can’t solve for x being forced into small cages

58 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:48:24pm

re: #50 SpaceJesus

contrary to liberal propaganda, arabs had nothing to do with algebra whatsoever or so i read on a very informative site

LOL

Well I could go into the history of that, but it might cause certain people to have conniptions. Apparently algebra causes heads to pop.

59 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:49:18pm

re: #52 LudwigVanQuixote

You really are an attention whore aren’t you? Is your life that empty?

Mine is, but I’m going to bed now.
And dreams are free.
I wish you all sweet dreams,
and may you work to achieve them in your daily life.
Rock on.

60 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:49:35pm

re: #58 LudwigVanQuixote


apparently the thought of arabs maybe being human beings causes heads to pop on some sites

61 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:49:37pm

re: #56 Cato the Elder

Is yours?

What now the I’m rubber you’re glue school of debate? Cato, did you regress to five years old or something?

Get a grip.

62 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:50:19pm

When it comes to math, I had a problem with the matrix thing, but worked through it. And I’m sure I have forgotten it.

63 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:50:24pm

re: #60 SpaceJesus

apparently the thought of arabs maybe being human beings causes heads to pop on some sites

Well we know that for certain. And also seeing them as human makes you a Nazi, but Rodent announcing that he wants all of the gassed, doesn’t.

64 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:50:31pm

re: #55 BigPapa


im making fun of stalker blog dot com

65 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:50:39pm

re: #52 LudwigVanQuixote

You really are an attention whore aren’t you? Is your life that empty?

I found a picture with the both of you in it. Cute!

66 tnguitarist  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:50:50pm

re: #57 SpaceJesus

im all for having people who can’t solve for x being forced into small cages

Good enough?

Image: findx.jpg

67 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:51:37pm

re: #66 tnguitarist


gold star

68 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:51:39pm

re: #64 SpaceJesus

im making fun of stalker blog dot com

Yes he is. Are they frisky tonight? I used to look over there more, but I really found that life is enriched without them.

69 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:52:05pm

re: #61 LudwigVanQuixote

What now the I’m rubber you’re glue school of debate? Cato, did you regress to five years old or something?

Get a grip.

I’ve got one.

You, on the other hand, now that I’m signing off, will immediately hare off to the swamp to grow even more enraged and engorged at the way they make fun of you over there.

70 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:52:52pm

re: #65 BigPapa

I found a picture with the both of you in it. Cute!

I’m picturing Cato as Oscar and Ludwig as Felix…makes sense ;-P

71 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:52:56pm

re: #68 LudwigVanQuixote


no idea, they’re probably still hooting and hollering and throwing feces over the mandy thing i imagine

72 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:53:25pm

re: #65 BigPapa

LOL!
Had dear friends, that were brothers, who fought bitterly.
When I walked into a fight, I could never remember, “which one is Felix & which one is Oscar?”
PERFECT picture!

73 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:53:34pm

re: #65 BigPapa

I found a …

I used to like that show when I was a boy. Funny.

Not really applicable though. We would never let Cato into any of the physicist parties.

74 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:54:11pm

re: #64 SpaceJesus

im making fun of stalker blog dot com

I’m aware of that. Adding a ‘Dude…’ in that fashion is a .667 of a sarc tag, with the ‘nuff sed’ TeaBagger integer thrown in.

75 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:54:25pm

re: #66 tnguitarist

Good enough?

Image: findx.jpg

BTW, i believe the right answer to that would be x=5

76 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:55:00pm

re: #73 LudwigVanQuixote

I used to like that show when I was a boy. Funny.

Not really applicable though. We would never let Cato into any of the physicist parties.

Fine. All the hot chicks are with us cunning linguists, anyway.

77 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:55:24pm

re: #69 Cato the Elder

I’ve got one.

You, on the other hand, now that I’m signing off, will immediately hare off to the swamp to grow even more enraged and engorged at the way they make fun of you over there.

No, I don’t think so. Why have you been heading over there some more because you miss your buddy Bagua? Dude, you know they hate you about as much as they hate me.

Get a grip and a clue, and please just stop it. You are making an ass of yourself.

78 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:55:29pm

re: #73 LudwigVanQuixote

I used to like that show when I was a boy. Funny.
Not really applicable though. We would never let Cato into any of the physicist parties.

I am picturing a Gary Larson cartoon. Sorry.:)

79 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:55:45pm

I don’t even know what the fuck this is all about, but I’ll pay for the motel room my damn self if you two bickering old grannies would just retire to the boudoir and settle this in private. You know you want to.

80 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:55:49pm

hypotenuse is such a cool word

81 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:55:58pm

re: #76 Cato the Elder

Fine. All the hot chicks are with us cunning linguists, anyway.

As if you’ve been laid in the past decade. That is a laugh. Dude just stop.

82 tnguitarist  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:56:01pm

re: #75 talon_262

BTW, i believe the right answer to that would be x=5

3 x 4 x 5 is the golden rule in woodworking. I use it to make sure projects are square.

83 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:56:16pm

re: #76 Cato the Elder

Fine. All the hot chicks are with us cunning linguists, anyway.

And yet so many here seem to be Master Debaters

84 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:56:31pm

re: #78 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am picturing a Gary Larson cartoon. Sorry.:)

As well you should… We normally start with a good vaporizing…

85 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:57:09pm

I’m going to bed. Everyone have a wonderful evening and a better day tomorrow!

86 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:57:19pm

re: #57 SpaceJesus

im all for having people who can’t solve for x being forced into small cages

Ahh SJ, you are one of my favorites.

87 freetoken  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:58:11pm

re: #1 Floral Giraffe

I declare this thread an algebra free zone!
(Or a bra free zone, I can’t decide!)
///

I vote for the bra-free stipulation!

88 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:58:41pm

I think LVQ is a bald faced liar. I want proof that physicists party, not some long winded paper with a bunch of math on the theory they can all get funky.

89 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:59:09pm

re: #70 talon_262

I’m picturing Cato as Oscar and Ludwig as Felix…makes sense ;-P

Picturing me as a neat freak would amuse the hell out of anyone who knows me personally.

90 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:59:22pm

re: #69 Cato the Elder

re: #81 LudwigVanQuixote

Seriously, screw the cross-thread bickering…I don’t particularly care who started what, but the shit’s gotten old and the majority of us don’t want to fucking hear it.

Good night folks…I’m out.

91 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:59:34pm

Find X

Image: 2907200985867FindX.jpg

92 elbruce  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:59:53pm

re: #43 LudwigVanQuixote

NO, I think the posts from him in ratio to mine shows him bitching two or three to one and cross thread.


Random “algebra” cracks don’t count.

93 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:00:21pm

re: #87 freetoken

I vote for the bra-free stipulation!

Thank you.

94 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:00:46pm

re: #81 LudwigVanQuixote

As if you’ve been laid in the past decade. That is a laugh. Dude just stop.

Boy, when you decide to hate someone, you don’t waste time.

I think you and Pamela would have more to talk about than you might expect.

95 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:03:58pm

re: #87 freetoken

I vote for the bra-free stipulation!

Just got back from Sydney: lots of those about with Aussie accents. No sharp elbows from Mrs BigPapa cuz I was a good boy.

96 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:04:48pm

Man, I’ve spent the last few weeks spending each night studying. It seems wierd not doing it tonight.

97 elbruce  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:05:54pm

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Man, I’ve spent the last few weeks spending each night studying. It seems wierd not doing it tonight.


Were you studying algebra, by any chance?

98 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:06:10pm

re: #88 BigPapa

I think LVQ is a bald faced liar. I want proof that physicists party, not some long winded paper with a bunch of math on the theory they can all get funky.

OK, you ask and you shall receive.

Youtube Video
99 Nimed  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:06:40pm

re: #31 elbruce

In that case the guy who crashed a plane into that office building in Vegas is a wingnut, because he was mad about taxes.

I don’t think any case that nutty can be fit into a neat ideological pigeonhole. But if you think we should, then riddle me this - which one is this guy? (actually a good read, btw)

Oh, the Unabomber is pretty hard to classify — some sort of weird cocktail of luddism, survivalism and objectivism?

But squirrel boy is different. The only dissonant chord in his rantifesto is the anti-immigration sentiment; the rest of the message is clearly environmentalist. It’s crazed, extreme environmentalism that makes the other extreme environmentalists look sane by comparison, but still.

Now environmentalism, racial issues, soda machines in schools and a host of other issues don’t have to be, and shouldn’t be, mostly causes of the left. Unfortunately, in our current political environment they are.

I also think that calling Lee a moonbat doesn’t really matter in this case. No figure on the left defends anything remotely similar to his ideas — that goes for the putative “equivalents” of the Becks and Limbaughs of this world. There are no Michael Moores, Garofalos or Penns dogwhistling compulsory infertility or other draconian population control policies. Nevertheless, the idea that, sooner of later, people will have to make some sacrifices in their quality of life due to environmental problems is much more confortable to self-identified lefties.

100 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:07:01pm

re: #97 elbruce

Were you studying algebra, by any chance?

No

101 freetoken  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:07:27pm

re: #95 BigPapa

Just got back from Sydney: lots of those about with Aussie accents. No sharp elbows from Mrs BigPapa cuz I was a good boy.


How sad… well, there’s always the internet….

102 tradewind  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:08:12pm

re: #80 SpaceJesus
/please… do not promote needle -sharing/

103 elbruce  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:09:26pm

re: #100 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No

Then that makes you a morlock; you must now toil in servitude to us algebra-capable eloi.

104 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:10:11pm

re: #103 elbruce

Then that makes you a morlock; you must now toil in servitude to us algebra-capable eloi.

I will take the “club you to death with a rock while you sleep” option

105 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:12:57pm

I’m going to create a ‘www.hotasianwomenwhotalklikeNatalieImbruglia.com’ website. I’ll make meelyuns!

Hire her first.

106 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:13:24pm

re: #103 elbruce

To Morlocks, as Morlocks are to Eloi.

107 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:14:55pm

re: #98 LudwigVanQuixote

OK, you ask and you shall receive.


[Video]

I think I saw a girl throwing a 2x4 at a popcorn maker. That’s Hott!

108 Nimed  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:16:34pm

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I will take the “club you to death with a rock while you sleep” option

Always a popular choice. Don’t forget you’ll have to eat him afterwards.

109 elbruce  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:17:47pm

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I will take the “club you to death with a rock while you sleep” option

Nonsense, my algebra shield will… will… ALGEBRA, WHY HAVE YOU FAILED ME?!? Aaaagh… eck.

110 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:17:47pm

re: #108 Nimed

Always a popular choice. Don’t forget you’ll have to eat him afterwards.

Well, yeah. You don’t just let meat like that go to waste

111 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:19:51pm

There is a commercial on my TV for a company that buys unused gift card. The Tribulation has started.
/

112 Nimed  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:22:15pm

re: #109 elbruce

re: #110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ok, just to nitpick a bit, Morlocks were almost certainly the ones who knew algebra.

113 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:23:38pm

re: #112 Nimed

re: #110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ok, just to nitpick a bit, Morlocks were almost certainly the ones who knew algebra.

Shhh, how do you think we lulled them into complacency to begin with?

114 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:27:52pm

re: #112 Nimed

re: #110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ok, just to nitpick a bit, Morlocks were almost certainly the ones who knew algebra.

And the Eloi were their bitches food.

Anyway, how ‘bout Easter Eggs for Hitler?

115 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:39:09pm

Heh. You shouldn’t let poets lie to you.

116 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:55:06pm

Once again the forces of virtue have triumphed over the forces of rottenness snivel.

— Maxwell Smart BigPapa

117 elbruce  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:57:13pm

re: #114 Slumbering Behemoth

And the Eloi were their bitches food.


Ah, you figured it out.

118 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:59:16pm

Leaving this for Law Hawk. And everyone else. LH, didn’t see a contact on your blog. Hot Russian Spy linky.

Youtube Video
119 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:59:34pm

re: #117 elbruce

Nah, I read the book. Insider knowledge, and all that.

120 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 11:59:42pm

re: #118 Cannadian Club Akbar

Leaving this for Law Hawk. And everyone else. LH, didn’t see a contact on your blog. Hot Russian Spy linky.

[Video]

Nighty.

121 windsagio  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 12:07:34am

I wish obdi was around, a while ago he said I’d said something ‘inane’ and I figure the middle of the night would be a good time to ask about it >>

122 sagehen  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 12:08:55am

re: #98 LudwigVanQuixote

OK, you ask and you shall receive.


[Video]


That visual evidence does indeed prove that chemists, mathematicians, engineers and computer scientists know how to party. I remain unconvinced about physicists.

123 windsagio  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 12:15:39am

aw forget it, I’ll get him at some point >

124 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 12:24:00am

re: #121 windsagio

I wish obdi was around, a while ago he said I’d said something ‘inane’ and I figure the middle of the night would be a good time to ask about it >>

Hardly worth worrying about, you say inane shit all the time. Narrowing it down would be like trying to find a straw of hay in a needle stack, or something.

Anyway…

125 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 1:21:06am

My mom came around yesterday and brought me a present: A package of nifty heavy weave black socks from Wal-Mart (they were on sale).
Last time she was here, she had taken note of my battered, worn-out and thoroughly ventilated socks, as she has done from time to time since I started wearing socks. The gift was her solution to the problem.
“What if you got run over by a train and some fireman found one of your bloody, severed feet with a beat-up old sock on it?”
“That I could have run faster with new Wal-Mart socks and gotten out of the way?”
“Exactly”
That’s not really how it went but her tone would certainly have suggested such an exchange.
I’m 61 years old, I have a Ph.D, I’ve raised two children, been in two wars and traveled all over the world, but my mom is still around to fret and scold if necessary.
I’m really blessed to have her.

126 M. Dubious  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 3:26:04am

re: #76 Cato the Elder

Fine. All the hot chicks are with us cunning linguists, anyway.


“Cunning linguists” - if you, like I did, just browse through the thread real fast, you read a different word.

Don`t know if that was your intention, but if it was, bravo. Genious.

127 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 3:56:15am

re: #126 Harald

Image: Thats_the_joke.jpg

Image: you_might_be_a_cunning_linguist_tshirt-p235695385889477481g2e3_400.jpg

It originated with Cabaret, in popular culture, anyway.

Now if we can just find the anesthesiologist who invented the “I’ll be passing gas for you” joke.

128 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 4:02:50am

I just accidentally hit the ‘!’ button on a comment.
Sorry about that monitors and Charles.

129 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 4:15:06am

I’m currently looking through the federal grant database, looking for opportunities for stuff.

So far, I’m surprised to not have found that much pork barrel stuff. It’s mostly legit.

But this entry amused the hell out of me:

Manufacturers of Certain Worsted Wool Fabrics Grants

The first category are manufacturers of worsted wool fabrics, containing 85 percent or more by weight of wool, with average fiber diameters greater than 18.5 micron (Harmonized Tariff Schedule of the United States (HTS) heading 9902.51.11


…

The second category are manufacturers of worsted wool fabrics, containing 85 percent or more by weight of wool, with average fiber diameters of 18.5 micron or less (HTS heading 9902.51.15, previously HTS heading 9902.51.12)

So, that would be all worsted wool fabrics, then?

130 thedopefishlives  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 4:15:35am

re: #128 Taqyia2Me

I just accidentally hit the ‘!’ button on a comment.
Sorry about that monitors and Charles.

You are not forgiven. Stinky will be along shortly to consume your soul. Should you happen to already be missing yours, you’ll just have to find another one for him to consume. He’s hungry this early in the morning.

131 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 4:19:46am

re: #130 thedopefishlives

You are not forgiven. Stinky will be along shortly to consume your soul. Should you happen to already be missing yours, you’ll just have to find another one for him to consume. He’s hungry this early in the morning.

Damn fat fingers of mine are starting to take their toll on me. Damn!

132 thedopefishlives  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 4:21:46am

re: #131 Taqyia2Me

Damn fat fingers of mine are starting to take their toll on me. Damn!

It’s ok. It’s always the hardest the first time around.

133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 4:30:56am

re: #125 Shiplord Kirel

Dude… I’m 48… veggie for 10 years or so… my mother is still convinced that I am going to die. But she does mention my weight…

“Oh, momma!”
-Orin Scrivello, DDS

134 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 4:34:21am

Evil will always triumph over Good because Good is stupid. - Dark Helmet.

135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 4:37:22am

re: #134 Romantic Heretic

I don’t know you, so…
1. Good Morning.
2. I’m FBV.
3. Quoting “Spaceballs” is very healthy for Karma around here.

136 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:01:02am

Morning all. Looks like I missed all the fun yesterday.

137 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:04:21am

re: #129 Obdicut

If you get yourself listed in their database it could lead to quite a bit of work. We’ve haven’t been able to do a lot, bidding is cutthroat, but we’ve done some pretty cool projects. A couple years ago we built a dozen airplane mock-ups and delivered them to Ft. Bragg for training new airborne troops.

138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:08:06am

re: #136 RogueOne

Which fun?

139 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:10:26am

re: #138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Which fun?

The discovery channel nutjob tap dance and the algebra wars. I favorited the entire discovery thread. It was nice to see so many people finally agree that a nut is a nut instead of part of a broader problem where we need to regulate speech to keep them from blowing themselves up in public.

140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:15:44am

re: #139 RogueOne

That dude came with extra nuts…

I gotta go to work.

boo.

141 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:19:59am

Schools ban bracelets promoting cancer awareness
[Link: www.usatoday.com…]


Cancer has ravaged several of Ann Aberson’s relatives, so she doesn’t have a problem with her two teenage daughters wearing bracelets to raise awareness of breast cancer.

But their school principal does.

This week, Baltic High School, just north of here, became one of the latest across the USA to ban the rubber bracelet, which has a message some say is in poor
taste: “I love boobies.”

The bracelets have caused controversy in schools in states including California, Colorado, Idaho, Florida and Wisconsin.

142 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:22:51am

re: #141 RogueOne

Since more men die of prostate cancer every year than women die of breast cancer….where’s my “Prostate Cancer - Lend a Hand” bands?

143 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:27:36am

Did anyone watch the Boxer-Fiorina debate last night? Reason sez

Boxer was characteristically facile, but suffered several setbacks. She returned at least four times to her efforts on behalf of veterans and her “love” for the military, only to have that strategy unravel when the topic turned to Boxer’s July “Don’t call me ma’am” contretemps with Brig. Gen. Michael Walsh.

I hope that episode sinks her re-election. I’d love to see a video of that portion. Anyone know of where it might be found?

144 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:31:28am

re: #142 RogueOne

Since more men die of prostate cancer every year than women die of breast cancer…where’s my “Prostate Cancer - Lend a Hand” bands?

How about “Prostate Cancer - Lend a Finger”?

145 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:33:08am

re: #137 RogueOne

I’ve got myself listed. I’m really good at underbidding, the difficulty is finding projects that are within the scope of what I can actually do or quickly find others to do.

146 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:37:54am

re: #144 ralphieboy

How about “Prostate Cancer - Lend a Finger”?

I think that would play better than “I love boners!” bracelets.

147 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:39:38am

re: #139 RogueOne

The discovery channel nutjob tap dance and the algebra wars. I favorited the entire discovery thread. It was nice to see so many people finally agree that a nut is a nut instead of part of a broader problem where we need to regulate speech to keep them from blowing themselves up in public.

Can you recall anyone actually ever saying we need to regulate speech?

I can’t.

In addition, to me it was nearly exactly like the guy who flew his plane into the building in Vegas. I didn’t really see anything new or different.

The thing is, there are ‘far-left’ radical terrorists. The dudes who burn down ski lodges, the Bader-Meinhoff gang, the Shining Path. I don’t think most of them are nuts— as in, I think they’ve chosen, ‘rationally’, to be evil fuckers. I doubt they think of themselves as evil, but I do.

But, here in the US, they don’t get an support in the national media, from prominent political figures, etc. They are ostracized nearly completely, on the far, far fringe, untouchable and unwanted by anyone.

Meanwhile, we have Tiller murdered after O’Reilly called him “Tiller the baby killer” repeatedly, we have assholes targeted Muslims in the wake of anti-Muslim propaganda.

The two groups are not comparable, in the modern political world. They might be one day.

But right now, the ‘right’ really is pushing dangerous, crazy rhetoric at a much higher volume, speed, and intensity than the ‘left’.

148 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:48:01am

re: #147 Obdicut

Shall we go back through the pentagon shooter and the IRS/plane crash threads, or even more recently the argument that the NY mosque kerfuffle being used as terrorist propaganda?

It’s what always happens, some nut does something nutty and people cry out the “we have to watch what we say!” baloney. People try to make sense of the world around them and fail to realize there are times when you cannot make sense of irrational behavior. There are always going to be psychotic nuts out there and regardless of what people say they’re going to continue to do stupid shit.

149 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:48:47am

Both left and right, too many people are coming to the conclusion that violent protest is a valid means of expressing their outrage at whatever they vehemently disagree with.

150 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 5:54:01am

re: #148 RogueOne

Shall we go back through the pentagon shooter and the IRS/plane crash threads, or even more recently the argument that the NY mosque kerfuffle being used as terrorist propaganda?

Sure.

The NY community center— why are you calling it a mosque?— is being used as terrorist propaganda. How effective that is is up to question. It certainly is true that if there’s hostility towards moderate Muslims here in the US, that’ll push more of them towards extremism.

The IRS guy was a nut. Charles said he was a nut. I agree that he was a nut. He was all over the map in his opinions, they were a mixmash and amalgam.

It’s what always happens, some nut does something nutty and people cry out the “we have to watch what we say!” baloney.

Do you honestly feel there is no such thing as dangerous and irresponsible speech? That when there was relentless propaganda about the Jews being subhuman, about our evil plans, the blood libel, and all the other foul shit, that that didn’t make it easier for persecution of Jews to happen?

There are always going to be psychotic nuts out there and regardless of what people say they’re going to continue to do stupid shit.

Yes. There are also going to be scary ideologues, like the Shining Path, the anti-abortion fanatics, and radical Muslims, who are really inspired by ideas and speech, and not crazy.

151 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:07:33am

re: #147 Obdicut

But right now, the ‘right’ really is pushing dangerous, crazy rhetoric at a much higher volume, speed, and intensity than the ‘left’.

I dislike using ‘Left’ and ‘Right’ these days after I read this entry in my favorite book.

LEFT VERSUS RIGHT The result of an unfortunate seating arrangement.

In October 1789 the Paris mob, led by women, walked to Versailles, stormed the palace and dragged the king back to town with them. The Assembly had no choice but to follow. Louis was put in his gilded cage, the Tuileries Palace. The nearest building capable of seating several hundred elected representatives in the same room was the palace stables out in what is now the Tuileries Gardens. The need to board a large number of horses had imposed a particular sort of structure. That shape in turn imposed a semi-circular seating plan on the carpenters brought in to do the emergency conversion.

It naturally followed that those who hated each other the most sat as far away from each other as possible, to the extreme left and right of the podium. Thus the needs of horses helped to contribute to our idea of irreconcilable political opposites. Had architecture permitted this semi-circle to complete itself, the reactionaries and the revolutionaries would have found themselves quite naturally sitting together.

I love that book.

152 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:09:19am

this is a drive by comment …

next year when the 2011 list of new words comes out, i would like to nominate one.

“Lizardiction” An obsession with LGF. The site is sort of “drug like.”

153 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:11:45am

re: #151 Romantic Heretic

Many have argued that the Nazis were so extremely left that it made them right-wing, once can also make the case that the Communists, especially under Stalin, were so extremely left that they were right-wing.

It’s all like a big circle, man…

154 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:13:20am

re: #151 Romantic Heretic

I agree. Left and right are completely false distinctions in any ideological way. The only meaning they have is as self-identification, and, in a two party system like ours, partisan allegiance.

There are far too many axises to be described with ‘left’ and ‘right’, and you can get to many positions through either ‘right’ or ‘left’ reasoning.

For example, Pigovian taxes. If you actually want the market to be able to efficiently reward companies for real efficiency, you need to model externalities somehow. If you’re a passionate free market person who wants there to be as little government regulation as possible, Pigovian taxes actually provide a good way to do that by simply calculating the real cost of things with negative externalities— it’s a way to balance the market, not to demand certain outcomes from the market. Likewise, someone who was not so much into free markets and liked more planned economies would see Pigovian taxes as an efficient way not of correcting the market, but determining the outputs of the market.

I don’t think there is any sort of spectrum that exists, or any sort of axis, really. I think such things are useful to politicians to get themselves elected, but not otherwise useful.

155 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:17:52am

re: #154 Obdicut

I agree. Left and right are completely false distinctions in any ideological way. The only meaning they have is as self-identification, and, in a two party system like ours, partisan allegiance.

There are far too many axises to be described with ‘left’ and ‘right’, and you can get to many positions through either ‘right’ or ‘left’ reasoning.

For example, Pigovian taxes. If you actually want the market to be able to efficiently reward companies for real efficiency, you need to model externalities somehow. If you’re a passionate free market person who wants there to be as little government regulation as possible, Pigovian taxes actually provide a good way to do that by simply calculating the real cost of things with negative externalities— it’s a way to balance the market, not to demand certain outcomes from the market. Likewise, someone who was not so much into free markets and liked more planned economies would see Pigovian taxes as an efficient way not of correcting the market, but determining the outputs of the market.

I don’t think there is any sort of spectrum that exists, or any sort of axis, really. I think such things are useful to politicians to get themselves elected, but not otherwise useful.


politics is killing us. but there are some things Obama is doing that I DO like. by focusing hard on green energy projects, the govt has become sort of a venture capitalist for developing new energy sources. this is absolutely essential and Obama is to be applauded for this. my suggestion is to offer tax incentives to bring those industries to economically hard hit places like Louisiana. because when the oil industry winds down, that area will need even more help.

156 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:19:28am

Which has the correct posture?

Image: subgenius_big.jpg

157 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:22:44am

re: #155 _RememberTonyC

I absolutely agree and I wish the Democrats in general would have the spine to push this heavily right now instead of running constant defense.

However, many of the Democrats are bought and paid for by the old-tech energy industry and subsidiary industries as well, meaning that any legislation on it has to first pass Democratic resistance, then GOP resistance, and then usually get watered down. And the old-tech companies have all created new-tech divisions, and I feel very cynical about how legitimate their efforts in those directions actually are; not many buggy manufacturers simultaneously made buggies and cars.

158 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:22:48am

re: #155 _RememberTonyC

. by focusing hard on green energy projects, the govt has become sort of a venture capitalist for developing new energy sources.

This sort of balances the fact that by employing the US armed forces as a free security service to guarantee access to supplies for oil companies, the government has also influencing the market for decades.

159 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:22:49am

re: #150 Obdicut

I do think there is such a thing is speech that is dangerous such as an outright call to violence which is a rarity. Using hyperbole in calling someone a “baby killer” isn’t the same thing as saying “abortion doctors have to die”.

The problem, as I see it, is people wanting to use bad behavior by some as an indictment on speech and to tar political opponents with nutjobs, which is what you did up thread with OReilly. Using your same argument it would be reasonable to blame Al Gore for yesterday since the nut said it was his movie that caused him to have an “awakening”. I was pleased to see some people finally come to the realization that it’s counter-productive, it’s the equivalent of blaming rape on pornography or violence on video games. If we’re not allowed to argue for fear of setting off nuts then how are we ever going to get anything done at all?

160 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:24:24am

re: #159 RogueOne


The standard polemic tool is to take an extremist moonbat/wingnuit and to hold them up as the very epitome of your opponent’s point of view and as the logical outcome of their thinking.

On the other hand, it is the reason that Beck and Geller have banned signs from their rallies…

161 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:27:19am

re: #160 ralphieboy

The standard polemic tool is to take an extremist moonbat/wingnuit and to hold them up as the very epitome of your opponent’s point of view and as the logical outcome of their thinking.

On the other hand, it is the reason that Beck and Geller have banned signs from their rallies…

Hey, I’m first in line when it comes to accusing people of being stupid and saying stupid shit. I don’t blame them for not wanting people to have signs, most sports arenas have banned them for ages because they know what people are like when it comes to getting their mugs on camera. People are bad for PR.

162 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:27:42am

re: #159 RogueOne

I do think there is such a thing is speech that is dangerous such as an outright call to violence which is a rarity. Using hyperbole in calling someone a “baby killer” isn’t the same thing as saying “abortion doctors have to die”.

I didn’t say it was. Likewise, using hyperbole saying that Jews use the blood of Christian babies in rituals isn’t saying “Jews have to die”.


The problem, as I see it, is people wanting to use bad behavior by some as an indictment on speech and to tar political opponents with nutjobs, which is what you did up thread with OReilly.

Do you feel his calling Tiller a ‘baby-killer’ is defensible? All I’m saying is that using that sort of language helps to create an environment where extremist views are tolerated.

Using your same argument it would be reasonable to blame Al Gore for yesterday since the nut said it was his movie that caused him to have an “awakening”.

Not really, no. An Inconvenient Truth is a sober, factual documentary. It is not a fire-throwing movie. It contains no allegations on the level of “X is a baby-killer”. Tiller, on the other hand, was not a baby-killer.

So one thing is a truth, and the other is a hyperbolic lie.

You can’t treat them as though they’re the same, simply because they’re both speech.

I was pleased to see some people finally come to the realization that it’s counter-productive, it’s the equivalent of blaming rape on pornography or violence on video games.

Again, you seem to miss the point. People demonizing groups does increase the tolerance for those groups being persecuted.

Do you disagree with that?

If we’re not allowed to argue for fear of setting off nuts then how are we ever going to get anything done at all?

Who is talking about ‘not allowing’ people to argue, please?

163 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:29:18am

re: #157 Obdicut

I absolutely agree and I wish the Democrats in general would have the spine to push this heavily right now instead of running constant defense.

However, many of the Democrats are bought and paid for by the old-tech energy industry and subsidiary industries as well, meaning that any legislation on it has to first pass Democratic resistance, then GOP resistance, and then usually get watered down. And the old-tech companies have all created new-tech divisions, and I feel very cynical about how legitimate their efforts in those directions actually are; not many buggy manufacturers simultaneously made buggies and cars.

but eventually they need to evolve or they will become irrelevant

164 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:31:09am

re: #158 ralphieboy

This sort of balances the fact that by employing the US armed forces as a free security service to guarantee access to supplies for oil companies, the government has also influencing the market for decades.


yes … sort of. they didn’t just protect the interests of the oil companies, they protected the economic stability of our civilization.

165 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:31:16am

re: #163 _RememberTonyC

but eventually they need to evolve or they will become irrelevant

Yes. Unfortunately, they have a very large store of money built up, and they are using that money to spread disinformation about climate change and promote politicians who will stymie progress on alternative energy. With the recent supreme court ruling, this will only increase, I’m afraid.

They will become irrelevant, but they will do a large amount of damage on the way out.

166 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:33:17am

re: #164 _RememberTonyC

yes … sort of. they didn’t just protect the interests of the oil companies, they protected the economic stability of our civilization.


Because we allowed our economic stability to become dependent on these privately owned companies. The old “too big to fail” gambit.

167 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:35:33am

re: #165 Obdicut

Yes. Unfortunately, they have a very large store of money built up, and they are using that money to spread disinformation about climate change and promote politicians who will stymie progress on alternative energy. With the recent supreme court ruling, this will only increase, I’m afraid.

They will become irrelevant, but they will do a large amount of damage on the way out.


this is where leadership is important. Obama knows how to hammer people he feels are standing in the way of progress. So if he is serious about this issue, he needs to lay down some smack on this, even if he pisses off some political supporters. This may cost him some support in 2012, but if he makes major progress on this issue, he is sure to be reelected due to his job performance.

168 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:36:36am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. This story in YnetNews tickled my funny bone. The former head of Mossad was briefly stopped from entering the Knesset because no one recognized him.

I think it’s awesome that no one can recognize the head of Israel’s intel agency even now. In fact, until 1996, the identity was a state secret - generally withheld from news reports and named like D or M.

169 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:37:12am

re: #166 ralphieboy

Because we allowed our economic stability to become dependent on these privately owned companies. The old “too big to fail” gambit.

oil is different …. unfortunately. we were addicted to oil before any of us were born. and as long as we are so dependent, we need to guarantee access.

170 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:37:42am

gotta run ….

171 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:38:22am

re: #167 _RememberTonyC

this is where leadership is important. Obama knows how to hammer people he feels are standing in the way of progress. So if he is serious about this issue, he needs to lay down some smack on this, even if he pisses off some political supporters. This may cost him some support in 2012, but if he makes major progress on this issue, he is sure to be reelected due to his job performance.

Agreed. I’ve written to him about this. I encourage you to do so as well.

172 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:40:25am

re: #162 Obdicut

Hyperbole is defensible, it’s as old as humans have been using a spoken language and Al gore is just as guilty as the rest of humanity. Using an argument of “We’re all going to die!” is just as hyperbolic as “baby killer!”.

The jewish blood-libel is a different argument. If it were that simple, the accusation alone, isn’t enough to set people off but that isn’t where it’s left. Actual calls to violence, “jews have to die”, is a common thread amongst a large portion of the planet, that’s a much bigger problem than the blood-libel propaganda.

You said:

People demonizing groups does increase the tolerance for those groups being persecuted.

Do you disagree with that?

but I think you meant “decrease” or that it increases the tolerance for persecution which would be roughly the same thing. Based on my understanding of the question I don’t disagree with it entirely but unless their is an explicit call to violence we all have a right to disagree with each other based on whatever reasons we choose. We have people out picketing each other every day based on the flimsiest of reasoning. If you believe behavior is a direct response to speech then what other remedy could you possibly advocate other than the regulation, self-regulating or otherwise, of speech?

173 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:41:55am

re: #171 Obdicut

Agreed. I’ve written to him about this. I encourage you to do so as well.

Now you’re on a list somewhere. You have to be careful about writing to public officials anymore. They have a tendency to take stuff out of context. Next thing you know the secret service will be showing up wanting to ask a bunch of questions.

174 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:42:20am

gotta run, BBIAB.

175 M. Dubious  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:44:03am

re: #127 Obdicut

Image: Thats_the_joke.jpg

Image: you_might_be_a_cunning_linguist_tshirt-p2356953858 89477481g2e3_400.jpg


Now if we can just find the anesthesiologist who invented the “I’ll be passing gas for you” joke.

I`m just a dumb foreigner. Didn`t know. Very proud to have spotted it, though!

And, obviously, I must have a very high opinion of Cato…

176 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:49:16am

re: #172 RogueOne

Hyperbole is defensible, it’s as old as humans have been using a spoken language and Al gore is just as guilty as the rest of humanity.

Magical Balance Fairy rides again!

Using an argument of “We’re all going to die!” is just as hyperbolic as “baby killer!”.

No, it’s not. First of all, Al Gore didn’t say “We’re all going to die.” O’Reilly really did say “Baby killer!” So right there, your argument has fallen apart.

In addition, AGW is real, and it really is going to kill large numbers of people if it goes unchecked. However, Tiller was not killing babies, but one of the few providers of late-term abortions when medically necessary.

If you really think that legitimately pointing out a scientific fact and slandering a doctor are the same thing, I don’t know what else to say. One thing is true, the other is a lie, and you somehow feel they’re both equivalent hyperbole.



We have people out picketing each other every day based on the flimsiest of reasoning. If you believe behavior is a direct response to speech then what other remedy could you possibly advocate other than the regulation, self-regulating or otherwise, of speech?

Well, that’s exactly it. I’m talking about self-regulation, about rejecting hate speech, about calling out bigoted statements. I don’t understand why you conflate that with heavy-handed regulation of speech. It makes no sense.

All I’m saying is when people say foul, stupid, contemptible shit that is designed to race-bait and stir people up, that that creates an environment where, lo and behold, people are stirred up, more prone to persecuting the group being targeted, and that decent people ought to stand up to that sort of bigotry, call out the speech for what it is.

I do not get why this is somehow a bad thing.

177 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:50:38am

re: #176 Obdicut

And I screwed my formatting all to hell.

Aside from my first comment, mocking you for the strange belief that everyone is equal users of hyperbole— why on earth do you think that?— the rest should be understandable, if unnecessarily indented.

178 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:51:46am

re: #173 RogueOne

Now you’re on a list somewhere. You have to be careful about writing to public officials anymore. They have a tendency to take stuff out of context. Next thing you know the secret service will be showing up wanting to ask a bunch of questions.

You’re joking, right?

I’ve written to public officials my whole life. Lots of times. Hundreds, maybe thousands of times.

I don’t think I’m on a list. I think it’s far more likely that those letters have never actually been read, or, if they have, have been glossed to extract some bullet-point meaning.

179 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:56:02am

re: #169 _RememberTonyC

oil is different … unfortunately. we were addicted to oil before any of us were born. and as long as we are so dependent, we need to guarantee access.


In absolute terms, it is just one energy source out of many, and if we had a truly free market, we would have let the market sort things out a long time ago.

But we failed to heed the warnings we got during the oil crisis of 1973 and took advantage of the Iran-Iraq war of the 80’s which assured us a supply of cheap crude, and we abandoned all plans to do anything about our choice of energy.

180 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 6:57:21am

re: #171 Obdicut

I can recall writing to President Clinton more than a few times, and getting written letter responses on WH letterhead. Of course, I also knew that the signature was autostamped, but it didn’t matter.

I wrote to President GW Bush, but never got more than an email response. Didn’t quite get the same feeling… haven’t written to President Obama so I don’t know how he responds.

All of my letters were email submissions btw.

181 Jimmah  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:00:31am

re: #178 Obdicut

You’re joking, right?

I’ve written to public officials my whole life. Lots of times. Hundreds, maybe thousands of times.

I don’t think I’m on a list. I think it’s far more likely that those letters have never actually been read, or, if they have, have been glossed to extract some bullet-point meaning.

Expect helicopters outside your home from now on/

Youtube Video
182 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:17:05am

re: #178 Obdicut

My mom took pictures of the Swat guys standing on the roof of the diner where George W. Bush was going to make an appearance. She was also at the KC anti-war protests in 2003. It cracks me up because I think it would give her a kick to have her photos on file with the FBI. “Stick it to the Man!”

183 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:22:04am

Boker tov, honcos.

The washing machine repairman was here this morning. He found a sock in the intake pump, that was the reason the machine would not drain.

There is much grief among the stalkers today over the loss of a sock.

184 thedopefishlives  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:23:40am

re: #183 Alouette

Boker tov, honcos.

The washing machine repairman was here this morning. He found a sock in the intake pump, that was the reason the machine would not drain.

There is much grief among the stalkers today over the loss of a sock.

That made me laugh.

185 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:26:12am

A quick drive-by posting, as I’ve got work to do:

A tip for those looking to get into the ‘baccy processing business:

When thinning out your molasses for casing in preparation to pressing, resist the temptation to heat the mixture in the microwave oven when there’s ANY possibility of your being distracted by other concerns.

Once it gets scorched, molasses tends to foam and pop all over the inside of the microwave, and the clean-up is about as easy as chipping cement from the inside of a wheel barrow.

Heat the solvent, not the sugar, is the lesson here.

186 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:28:29am

re: #183 Alouette

Boker tov, honcos.

The washing machine repairman was here this morning. He found a sock in the intake pump, that was the reason the machine would not drain.

There is much grief among the stalkers today over the loss of a sock.

I am totally perplexed by what’s going on.
At DofD, someone made a comment listing all the people they’re pissed off with,
including “reine”. Then they listed my full real name.

I’ve never given out anybody’s real name, and I will not do that. I’m completely perplexed by what’s going on over there. Why that depth of hatred, fer cryin’ out loud? What do they hope to accomplish by publishing my real name? Why me? What have I ever done to any of those people?

My sin seems to be that I’m here.

187 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:30:25am

re: #186 reine.de.tout

I am totally perplexed by what’s going on.
At DofD, someone made a comment listing all the people they’re pissed off with,
including “reine”. Then they listed my full real name.

I’ve never given out anybody’s real name, and I will not do that. I’m completely perplexed by what’s going on over there. Why that depth of hatred, fer cryin’ out loud? What do they hope to accomplish by publishing my real name? Why me? What have I ever done to any of those people?

My sin seems to be that I’m here.

well that sucks..Is DofD a stalker blog or something?

188 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:30:37am

re: #186 reine.de.tout

How did they find your real name?

189 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:32:01am

re: #187 HoosierHoops

well that sucks..Is DofD a stalker blog or something?

I 1st thought she meant Department of Defense !

190 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:32:02am

re: #187 HoosierHoops

well that sucks..Is DofD a stalker blog or something?

It’s part of 2.0
re: #188 iceweasel

How did they find your real name?

Probably from somebody there with whom I had cookbook Volume 1 communications, I would suspect.

191 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:33:11am

re: #186 reine.de.tout

yeah, that’s pretty damned lousy, to put it mildly. Best to stock up on the needful, as it were.

192 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:34:20am

re: #186 reine.de.tout

That really sucks.

193 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:34:23am

Geller’s fan’s logic makes my head spin. For example:

And the same right they have to freedom of religion, we have a right for freedom of speech and to speak for those that were killed. I guess you forgot about that?

How can someone presume they have a right to speak for someone else? Especially someone who can’t give his permission, ever?

194 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:34:27am

re: #190 reine.de.tout

It’s part of 2.0
re: #188 iceweasel

Probably from somebody there with whom I had cookbook Volume 1 communications, I would suspect.

Ah. That sucks. What scummy people.

195 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:34:32am

re: #186 reine.de.tout

I am totally perplexed by what’s going on.
At DofD, someone made a comment listing all the people they’re pissed off with,
including “reine”. Then they listed my full real name.

I’ve never given out anybody’s real name, and I will not do that. I’m completely perplexed by what’s going on over there. Why that depth of hatred, fer cryin’ out loud? What do they hope to accomplish by publishing my real name? Why me? What have I ever done to any of those people?

My sin seems to be that I’m here.

They are complete sociopathic assholes, that is what they are. They were even complaining about moi, presumably because I am of the “Class of ‘04” and I am still here.

I mean, how much of a life can someone NOT have in order to obsess over every comment made by everyone who posts here? These people are seriously fucked up.

196 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:35:19am

I cannot recall doing anything evil to any of those people.

I don’t agree with them, or the language they use at that place; that is my right.
I don’t get it, it’s beyond me.


re: #191 Guanxi88

yeah, that’s pretty damned lousy, to put it mildly. Best to stock up on the needful, as it were.

Nah. There are only about 100 people in Baton Rouge with my name and/or first initial. Very common.

197 harlequinade  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:35:39am

Have we all seen this?

Pakistani officials leaving in protest

A delegation of senior Pakistani military officials visiting the United States for a major defense conference headed home in protest Tuesday night after they said they were interrogated and rudely treated by security officials at Dulles International Airport.

But what raised the alarm?

The nine-member group of high-ranking Pakistani officers boarded United Airlines Flight 727 from Washington to Tampa late Sunday but were pulled off the plane after one of them “made a comment to a flight attendant,” said Mike Trevino, a United spokesman.

United did not provide details, but Pakistani officials said the remark came from a general in the delegation who - weary of a long day of travel that began in Islamabad - said, “I hope this is my last flight,” or words to that effect.

Oops

198 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:36:27am

re: #195 Alouette

They are complete sociopathic assholes, that is what they are. They were even complaining about moi, presumably because I am of the “Class of ‘04” and I am still here.

I mean, how much of a life can someone NOT have in order to obsess over every comment made by everyone who posts here? These people are seriously fucked up.

They are the Internet Version of a peanut gallery…

199 Four More Tears  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:36:29am

re: #190 reine.de.tout

{{{Reine}}}

200 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:37:30am

re: #199 JasonA

{{{Reine}}}

HEY!
Finally got all my supplies in; the thing works really well, and much better than the “smoking everywhere” thing I had before.

Now I’m just trying to set my mind to using the eGo and only it, and giving up on the real thing. I’ll let ya know - but it works really really well.

201 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:37:37am

re: #198 HoosierHoops

They are the Internet Version of a peanut gallery…

Emphasis on nut.
How are ya Hoops!!!?!

202 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:38:21am

re: #195 Alouette

They are complete sociopathic assholes, that is what they are. They were even complaining about moi, presumably because I am of the “Class of ‘04” and I am still here.

I mean, how much of a life can someone NOT have in order to obsess over every comment made by everyone who posts here? These people are seriously fucked up.

It would seem so.

203 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:38:29am

re: #195 Alouette

Apparently they support the right for people to come here and troll, but no come here and be reasonable posters.

I don’t get it.

I mean, I doubt you and I share much in common in worldview, but I don’t think that means we have to be on separate message boards.

204 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:38:39am

Ok! No algebra. How about geometry?

When I taught it at a Community College, years ago, I’d like to start with “Square the Lune” (few in the class appreciated the pun. Or even got it.)

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

205 tradewind  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:38:39am

Just passing through: Godspeed to the peace talks, and:
To all the CA lizards:
Happy 90210!

206 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:38:40am

re: #198 HoosierHoops

They are the Internet Version of a peanut gallery…bunch of homeless drunks pissing and shitting in the subway

FTFY

207 Four More Tears  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:38:56am

re: #200 reine.de.tout

HEY!
Finally got all my supplies in; the thing works really well, and much better than the “smoking everywhere” thing I had before.

Now I’m just trying to set my mind to using the eGo and only it, and giving up on the real thing. I’ll let ya know - but it works really really well.

Very glad to hear that, Reine. Don’t be hard on yourself. You have a steeper hill to climb than I did. In the end what’s important is that I actually enjoy using this more than I ever did the real thing.

208 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:39:41am

re: #201 iceweasel

Emphasis on nut.
How are ya Hoops!!!?!

Doing great..Off work till Tuesday.. Going to the Colts game tonight..
T minus 16 days till the moving Van arrives…I’ve got so much work to do…
How are you?

209 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:40:45am

re: #207 JasonA

Very glad to hear that, Reine. Don’t be hard on yourself. You have a steeper hill to climb than I did. In the end what’s important is that I actually enjoy using this more than I ever did the real thing.

That is good to hear. I got the “tobacco Americano” flavor LOL. And that was one of the missing pieces from the other one - no flavor whatsoever. And the flavor is better than the real thing. So … .

210 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:41:00am

re: #206 Alouette

They are the Internet Version of a peanut gallery…bunch of homeless drunks pissing and shitting in the subway

FTFY



Hey!
We like the subway.

bunch of homeless drunks pissing and shitting in the subway themselves.

Fixed again.

211 Four More Tears  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:41:00am

On another note, I’m happy to see everyone made it through last night’s squabble in one piece…

212 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:41:42am

re: #204 reuven

Ok! No algebra. How about geometry?

When I taught it at a Community College, years ago, I’d like to start with “Square the Lune” (few in the class appreciated the pun. Or even got it.)

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

I cannot do math.
I am particularly challenged when it comes to subtraction.
I still vote, though.

213 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:41:44am

Good morning Lizardia! Hazy and hot here in the City of Brotherly Love.

Anyone been affected by Hurricane Earl yet? Current track has it probably dumping rain up this way in a few more days. With luck I will already have skedaddled northwest by then to visit relatives for the Labor Day weekend.

214 jaunte  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:41:47am

re: #211 JasonA

I have to admit I prefer the music and jokes threads.

215 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:42:50am

re: #214 jaunte

I have to admit I prefer the music and jokes threads.

So do I.

216 researchok  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:42:58am

re: #212 reine.de.tout

I cannot do math.
I am particularly challenged when it comes to subtraction.
I still vote, though.

Based on negative opinion?

//

217 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:43:26am

re: #191 Guanxi88

yeah, that’s pretty damned lousy, to put it mildly. Best to stock up on the needful, as it were.

(Course, that’s my All-Purpose Piece of Advice #2.)

218 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:43:55am

re: #208 HoosierHoops

Doing great..Off work till Tuesday.. Going to the Colts game tonight..
T minus 16 days till the moving Van arrives…I’ve got so much work to do…
How are you?

Spiffy!! Drinking tea, reading the news, while Jimmah slaves away painting the spare room. Soon there will be a little guestroom for you and Winston….

(the benefits of slicing up my finger the week of my arrival have slowly become clear to me….I can make the to-do lists and point at ‘em. Hee!)

219 jaunte  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:43:58am

re: #212 reine.de.tout

I cannot do math.
I am particularly challenged when it comes to subtraction.
I still vote, though.

And you have a theme song: [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

220 researchok  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:44:05am

re: #213 oaktree

Good morning Lizardia! Hazy and hot here in the City of Brotherly Love.

Anyone been affected by Hurricane Earl yet? Current track has it probably dumping rain up this way in a few more days. With luck I will already have skedaddled northwest by then to visit relatives for the Labor Day weekend.

In in NC. People at the coast are nervous, big time. All over the news.

221 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:44:14am

It’s a shame about the Geller “no signs” rule. Because one therapeutic thing I like to do is to Photoshop protest signs.

For example: Image: 2998334386_b960cd18ae_z.jpg

222 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:45:04am

re: #218 iceweasel

Spiffy!! Drinking tea, reading the news, while Jimmah slaves away painting the spare room. Soon there will be a little guestroom for you and Winston…

(the benefits of slicing up my finger the week of my arrival have slowly become clear to me…I can make the to-do lists and point at ‘em. Hee!)

yet more proof that a leftist is simply a would-be aristocrat with better patter and a Che shirt.

223 Four More Tears  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:45:22am

re: #221 reuven

It’s a shame about the Geller “no signs” rule. Because one therapeutic thing I like to do is to Photoshop protest signs.

For example: Image: 2998334386_b960cd18ae_z.jpg

Adorable and tasty!

224 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:46:13am

re: #222 Guanxi88

yet more proof that a leftist is simply a would-be aristocrat with better patter and a Che shirt.

I resent that remark, sir!
I don’t own a Che shirt. /

225 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:46:20am

re: #216 researchok

Based on negative opinion?

//

eh?
Ha!

I don’t know how it happened, but I somehow gave birth to a daughter who can’t spell worth a darn, but she understands math.

She has a 3-hour math lab she is supposed to go to every week. She finishes the work in 40 minutes. The lab moderator tells her to keep taking the quiz to fill up her time - she took the quiz 5 times, got a 100 on it each time. Why should she have to keep taking the quiz? I don’t know how she’s going to get through this class, having to spend 3 hours on something she can “get” in less than an hour. I hope she doesn’t get frustrated and start skipping class.

226 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:46:34am

re: #220 researchok

In in NC. People at the coast are nervous, big time. All over the news.

Even though it’s supposed to hit north of there, I’m heading to South Carolina today to make sue my place there is all battened down

227 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:48:11am

re: #224 iceweasel

I resent that remark, sir!
I don’t own a Che shirt. /

Howya been, there, O Frosted Ferret?

228 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:48:17am

re: #226 sattv4u2

Even though it’s supposed to hit north of there, I’m heading to South Carolina today to make sue my place there is all battened down

Make sure you have a full tank of gasoline.
And bring extra - there might be lines.

I forgot one year to fill up - and regretted it.

229 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:49:11am

re: #224 iceweasel

I resent that remark, sir!
I don’t own a Che shirt. /

Che shirts are so 90’s…It’s the designer Che Purse that is the new rage these days

230 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:49:43am

re: #229 HoosierHoops

Che shirts are so 90’s…It’s the designer Che Purse that is the new rage these days

Old and Busted - Che shirts
New Hotness - Pol Pot beards.

231 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:50:24am

re: #227 Guanxi88

Howya been, there, O Frosted Ferret?

Fantastic. Reunited with my honey, settling into the seekrit Scottish lair, we’re so blissful it’ll bore you to hear about it. How’s by you? And dare i ask what the first piece of advice you always give is? I’m guessing it involves a still…

232 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:50:32am

re: #228 reine.de.tout

Make sure you have a full tank of gasoline.
And bring extra - there might be lines.

I forgot one year to fill up - and regretted it.

Takes one and one quarter tank of gas to get from here to there

When I get to Florence South Carolina, I will fill up there (still far enough inland so there shouldn’t be any problem today)

From Florence, I can get to the shore then back to Florence with what I have in the tank, with about 1/4 to spare

But thanks

233 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:51:53am

re: #231 iceweasel

Fantastic. Reunited with my honey, settling into the seekrit Scottish lair, we’re so blissful it’ll bore you to hear about it. How’s by you? And dare i ask what the first piece of advice you always give is? I’m guessing it involves a still…

Our UK office is at Sefton Park.. How long is the drive up to Scotland?

234 researchok  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:52:23am

re: #225 reine.de.tout

eh?
Ha!

I don’t know how it happened, but I somehow gave birth to a daughter who can’t spell worth a darn, but she understands math.

She has a 3-hour math lab she is supposed to go to every week. She finishes the work in 40 minutes. The lab moderator tells her to keep taking the quiz to fill up her time - she took the quiz 5 times, got a 100 on it each time. Why should she have to keep taking the quiz? I don’t know how she’s going to get through this class, having to spend 3 hours on something she can “get” in less than an hour. I hope she doesn’t get frustrated and start skipping class.

I can relate. Mu daughter is an art whiz, both in the original work sense and in the copy sense.

She loves sculpture. As a kid, she would go to a museum and selected a piece she liked. She would walk around the piece, over and over and over, come home and recreate it from memory.

She does the same thing with music. She plays piano beautifully.

I wrote this, When did she grow to be a beauty? about her.

I’m a proud dad.

235 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:52:45am

re: #233 HoosierHoops

Our UK office is at Sefton Park.. How long is the drive up to Scotland?

Depends on what you’re driving

a car
an 18 wheeler
a herd of sheep!

236 Guanxi88  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:52:49am

re: #231 iceweasel

Fantastic. Reunited with my honey, settling into the seekrit Scottish lair, we’re so blissful it’ll bore you to hear about it. How’s by you? And dare i ask what the first piece of advice you always give is? I’m guessing it involves a still…

“Stock up on the needful.” Now, the needful varies from person to person, but none of us ever have enough of it.

Been busy as hell - took on a new gig, allowing me to quit one of my jobs, thereby “creating” a job for this, our wondrous Recovery Summer.

And I’ve expanded into the wondrous world of bootleg ‘baccy processing, to balance out my vice portfolio.

237 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:53:41am

re: #235 sattv4u2

Depends on what you’re driving

a car
an 18 wheeler
a herd of sheep!

A rental car

238 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:53:59am

re: #234 researchok

I can relate. Mu daughter is an art whiz, both in the original work sense and in the copy sense.

She loves sculpture. As a kid, she would go to a museum and selected a piece she liked. She would walk around the piece, over and over and over, come home and recreate it from memory.

She does the same thing with music. She plays piano beautifully.

I wrote this, When did she grow to be a beauty? about her.

I’m a proud dad.

aw, that gave me chills! Beautiful. She’s got a great Dad, to write something so lovely.

239 researchok  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:54:22am

re: #226 sattv4u2

Even though it’s supposed to hit north of there, I’m heading to South Carolina today to make sue my place there is all battened down

Good idea. Even a slight shift in direction and the whole game changes- and this is a big storm to mess with.

240 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:57:01am

re: #233 HoosierHoops

Our UK office is at Sefton Park.. How long is the drive up to Scotland?

Had to ask Jimmah— he says 8 or 9 hours. :( Whenever you’re here we’ll come to you though or work something out.

241 researchok  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 7:57:14am

re: #238 reine.de.tout

aw, that gave me chills! Beautiful. She’s got a great Dad, to write something so lovely.

Kid has me wrapped around her finger.

You know, there really is something about the father daughter thing.

She is my only child and people ask me if I wish I’d had a son. I always reply by saying ‘No, I’m perfectly happy with a daughter. If you had a daughter, you’d understand’.

242 researchok  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:02:08am

re: #241 researchok

I do want to clarify: Having a son would be nice. I’d like to be able to have someone else take out the trash.

I was the oldest son- took out the trash.

Left home- had to take out the trash.

Got married- more take out the trash.

Had a daughter- the trash tradition continues.

Divorced- still taking out the trash.

243 thedopefishlives  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:02:31am

re: #231 iceweasel

Fantastic. Reunited with my honey, settling into the seekrit Scottish lair, we’re so blissful it’ll bore you to hear about it. How’s by you? And dare i ask what the first piece of advice you always give is? I’m guessing it involves a still…

Morning, {ice}. Hate to post and run, but things are busy at work today, being the weekend before Labor Day and all. So I’ll be off and on all morning, more so than usual.

244 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:05:17am

Hurricane Earl sung to we are the Monkees

Here I come
Walking up the East
We get the funniest looks from
Everyone I meet.

Hey, hey we’re the Hurricane
and people say we blow around.
But we’re too busy raining,
to put anybody down.

We go wherever we want to,
Do what we like to do.
We don’t have time to get restless,
There’s always something new.

Hey, hey my name is Earl,
and people say we blow you around.
But we’re too busy raining,
to put anybody down.

245 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:05:39am

re: #242 researchok

I do want to clarify: Having a son would be nice. I’d like to be able to have someone else take out the trash.

I was the oldest son- took out the trash.

Left home- had to take out the trash.

Got married- more take out the trash.

Had a daughter- the trash tradition continues.

Divorced- still taking out the trash.

I have news for you

I have a son (16 years old ,,, only child)

I’ll give you three queses as to who takes out the trash!

(HINT ,,, that person hasn;t been 16 in decades!!! ((4, to be exact)))

246 iceweasel  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:05:51am

re: #243 thedopefishlives

Morning, {ice}. Hate to post and run, but things are busy at work today, being the weekend before Labor Day and all. So I’ll be off and on all morning, more so than usual.

Hey! Thanks for saying hi—Best to Mrs Fish and hope you’re all well. :)

I should take off for a bit and do a few chores— take care everyone, esp all of you driving to/in Earl areas. Later!

(Jimmah will be here to play the role of transnational progressive in this morning’s performance of “the Overnight Thread”)

247 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:07:10am

re: #241 researchok

My wife’s dad has four daughters, total, and he’s so proud of them. He loves having daughters. The pictures from the wedding where they’re all around him are just great.

248 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:08:25am

re: #234 researchok

She loves sculpture. As a kid, she would go to a museum and selected a piece she liked. She would walk around the piece, over and over and over, come home and recreate it from memory.

Cool! You should show her this guy’s work if she hasn’t already seen it:

Hyperrealistic Sculptures by Ron Mueck

So hard to pick a favorite, but I love this one.

Here it is again, showing the actual size. It’s amazing how eerie something otherwise realistic becomes when you mess with its normal scale in relation to other things…

249 researchok  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:08:48am

re: #245 sattv4u2

I have news for you

I have a son (16 years old ,,, only child)

I’ll give you three queses as to who takes out the trash!

(HINT ,,, that person hasn;t been 16 in decades!!! ((4, to be exact)))

LOL

Well, I’d like to believe MY son would take out the trash.

My dad simply asked and I obliged. That, and his mysterious, ambiguous threats made my decision to help out easy to make.

250 researchok  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:10:53am

re: #248 publicityStunted

Cool! You should show her this guy’s work if she hasn’t already seen it:

Hyperrealistic Sculptures by Ron Mueck

So hard to pick a favorite, but I love this one.

Here it is again, showing the actual size. It’s amazing how eerie something otherwise realistic becomes when you mess with its normal scale in relation to other things…

Links will be forwarded in the next 90 seconds.

They will pique her interest, for sure.

251 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:13:15am

re: #248 publicityStunted

Amazing talent! Thanks for the link

252 researchok  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:13:20am

re: #247 Obdicut

My wife’s dad has four daughters, total, and he’s so proud of them. He loves having daughters. The pictures from the wedding where they’re all around him are just great.

I absolutely get it, I really do.

I’ll tell you a secret- If I were to have only one more kid, I’d want another daughter.

If I could have more than one, a some would be nice but a daughter gets my first vote.

253 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:19:06am

Morning Honcos. Feels good to get some solid quality sleep.

254 _remembertonyc  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:19:18am

did anyone catch the news conference with Netanyahu and abbas a few minutes ago? it was distressing to say the least. twice abbas used the term “PLO,” which as we know is an organization dedicated to Israel’s destruction. and he invoked the name of yasser arafat, who was the father of terrorism in the minds of many. if he did this to try and gain cachet with the hamas followers, he’s going to fail at that. and by invoking those images on the dais with Sec of State Clinton and Netanyahu, he disrespects both of them to boot. he has to do better than that if he expects us to believe he is committed to peace.

255 researchok  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:19:33am

re: #244 HoosierHoops

Do you have an Earthquake song?

256 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:21:02am

And on that note

I’m outta the shower and onto the highways

Off to battle Earl

((well,, truth be told ,, just a quick jaunt to the coast to take everything inside and get the hell out of dodge before Earl notices. Should be safely back in my abode by the Earl makes landfall!)

257 ShaunP  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:22:03am

re: #256 sattv4u2

And on that note

I’m outta the shower and onto the highways

Off to battle Earl

((well,, truth be told ,, just a quick jaunt to the coast to take everything inside and get the hell out of dodge before Earl notices. Should be safely back in my abode by the Earl makes landfall!)

Good luck and stay safe!

258 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:22:39am

re: #255 researchok

Do you have an Earthquake song?

I feel the Earth move under my feet….
I feel the sky tumbling down
I feel my heart start to trembling
/

259 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:23:13am

re: #258 HoosierHoops

I feel the Earth move under my feet…
I feel the sky tumbling down
I feel my heart start to trembling
/

Love Carol King.

260 researchok  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:23:27am

re: #254 _remembertonyc

did anyone catch the news conference with Netanyahu and abbas a few minutes ago? it was distressing to say the least. twice abbas used the term “PLO,” which as we know is an organization dedicated to Israel’s destruction. and he invoked the name of yasser arafat, who was the father of terrorism in the minds of many. if he did this to try and gain cachet with the hamas followers, he’s going to fail at that. and by invoking those images on the dais with Sec of State Clinton and Netanyahu, he disrespects both of them to boot. he has to do better than that if he expects us to believe he is committed to peace.

I saw that on CNN.

Remember, he has to make this play at home to his constituents.

That said, the talks are predicated on the false notion that Israel/the US can buy peace in the ME. holding out all kinds of incentives.

Moral and ethical behavior cannot be bought.

261 cliffster  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:25:42am

How about some fantasy football? I’ve been talking about setting up a league; we’re running out of time so I’ve gone and done it. Football season is just over a week away, so let’s get some lizards signed up and have us a draft! If you’re interested, go here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

262 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:25:56am

Good morning, folks. Hope y’all are having a splendid day so far.

263 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:26:07am

re: #260 researchok

I saw that on CNN.

Remember, he has to make this play at home to his constituents.

That said, the talks are predicated on the false notion that Israel/the US can buy peace in the ME. holding out all kinds of incentives.

Moral and ethical behavior cannot be bought.

Abbas does not represent the Pali’s from Gaza.. So what can he really deliver at the peace talks? 50% of his people…It won’t work

264 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:26:07am

re: #254 _remembertonyc

And people wonder why there’s no progress on peace - when Israel has a partner in peace, there will be peace. Until then, we’ll get lots more of this nonsense.

Israel can want peace all it wants, but until the Palestinians truly declare their interest in peace and renounce terrorism then Israel doesn’t have a partner in peace.

Abbas is playing the same game that Arafat did.

And of course everyone has to ignore Gaza and Hamas’ control of that territory (and their continued declaration and intent to destroy Israel and refusal to recognize Israel’s very existence).

265 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:26:38am

re: #261 cliffster

How about some fantasy football? I’ve been talking about setting up a league; we’re running out of time so I’ve gone and done it. Football season is just over a week away, so let’s get some lizards signed up and have us a draft! If you’re interested, go here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Linky no workie

266 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:28:10am

re: #264 lawhawk

Lawhawk, did you see my #118? Not sure if you have seen the video I left for you.

267 cliffster  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:28:39am

re: #265 HoosierHoops

Ha! I suck at spam. Anyone reading here - I’m trying to get a fantasy league together.. traction has been somewhat poor to this point. Here’s the page I set up..

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

268 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:28:42am

re: #263 HoosierHoops

We’re moving from a 2-state solution towards a 3-state solution - Israel, Gazastan, and the West Bank. Abbas has to deliver something to his Fatah supporters, but he can’t make concessions on any of the key issues - Jerusalem, right of return, or territory, which is to say that he’s got no negotiating space even if he wants peace (and I’m not convinced in the slightest of his intentions on that front). He merely wants to continue the status quo since he can continue to rake in the international funds without the obligations to follow through on his commitments under Oslo.

269 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:30:26am

re: #266 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yeah, I had seen that (and Anna Chapman’s claims that all this attention somehow invades her privacy). BTW, my email address is on my blog - it’s just not a clickable link (to cut down on spam) lawhawk at yahoo.com

270 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:31:48am

My radio just said there was another oil rig explosion in the gulf. No details yet.

271 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:32:36am

re: #270 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio just said there was another oil rig explosion in the gulf. No details yet.

[Link: www.google.com…]

272 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:33:19am

re: #270 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio just said there was another oil rig explosion in the gulf. No details yet.

Holy Crap.. Guess I’ll switch from ESPN to the news

273 researchok  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:33:57am

re: #263 HoosierHoops

Abbas does not represent the Pali’s from Gaza.. So what can he really deliver at the peace talks? 50% of his people…It won’t work

I agree. This whole exercise is for PR purposes only.

274 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:34:30am

re: #272 HoosierHoops

Holy Crap.. Guess I’ll switch from ESPN to the news

[Link: www.wwltv.com…]

275 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:36:14am

Extra bad spot.
[Link: www.wafb.com…]

276 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:36:25am

re: #225 reine.de.tout

Are you _sure_ she’s yours?

277 researchok  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:39:07am

re: #276 reuven

Are you _sure_ she’s yours?

I’m not psychic, but I do see a beating in your future.

//

278 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:40:34am

re: #273 researchok

I do think that if the West Bank and Israel’s relationship becomes more peaceful, and the border security can be lessened, it _might_ help public opinion wrt Israel’s handling of Gaza. If the West Bank people can manage live in relative peace, why can’t the Gazans?

(Of course, one can never expect public opinion about Israel to be rational. People will always hate the Jews, even though they claim they’re just “anti-Zionist.”)

279 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:42:19am

My daughter just called from Israel. Her kids were playing on her computer and somehow managed to turn the desktop display upside down!

It’s a rotation trick that you do with the graphics card, although I am pretty sure that her kids did not do it on purpose because her oldest is only 6 years old. It was just random

Here it is: CTRL-ALT-DOWNARROW

To toggle back, CTRL-ALT-UPARROW

Surprise your family and co-workers!

280 _remembertonyc  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:43:12am

re: #272 HoosierHoops

Holy Crap.. Guess I’ll switch from ESPN to the news

don’t do it Hoosier …… you’ll regret it

281 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:44:16am

re: #279 Alouette

Tell the ילדים that mode is for people in Australia!

282 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:44:51am

re: #275 Cannadian Club Akbar

Extra bad spot.
[Link: www.wafb.com…]

Rig owned by Mariner Energy.

283 _remembertonyc  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:46:13am

re: #268 lawhawk

We’re moving from a 2-state solution towards a 3-state solution - Israel, Gazastan, and the West Bank. Abbas has to deliver something to his Fatah supporters, but he can’t make concessions on any of the key issues - Jerusalem, right of return, or territory, which is to say that he’s got no negotiating space even if he wants peace (and I’m not convinced in the slightest of his intentions on that front). He merely wants to continue the status quo since he can continue to rake in the international funds without the obligations to follow through on his commitments under Oslo.


it all boils down to a pathological hatred of the Jews. Israeli leaders understand this but still they try. they deserve credit, but are not obligated to commit national suicide.

284 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:47:00am

Ok! Need to get ready for my first meeting of the day, at 9:00 LA time. TTYL!

285 lostlakehiker  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:48:30am

re: #50 SpaceJesus

contrary to liberal propaganda, arabs had nothing to do with algebra whatsoever or so i read on a very informative site

Oh, but there is a correct inequality given in the sayings of the prophet:

The ink of the scholar is more precious than the blood of the martyr.


And here, confirmation: details here, item 5

Over the life of your printer, you’ll probably pay more than 500% of the total price of the printer itself on ink refill cartridges. At $30, a 42ml cartridge of black printer ink comes out to 71 cents per ml. On the other hand, the Red Cross charges $200 for 500 ml of blood, which comes out to about 40 cents per ml.
286 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:49:50am

re: #264 lawhawk

And people wonder why there’s no progress on peace - when Israel has a partner in peace, there will be peace. Until then, we’ll get lots more of this nonsense.

No. Palestine could commit itself to peace tomorrow and there would still not be peace. Because the rest of the Arab states want the conflict to continue. They would do what they could to break any peace that was made, and launch attacks on Israel by proxy groups.

The solution does not lie solely with the Palestinians. It lies with the rest of the Arab world, especially those who produce anti-semitic lies and propaganda— like our allies, Saudi Arabia.

287 researchok  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:53:36am

re: #286 Obdicut

No. Palestine could commit itself to peace tomorrow and there would still not be peace. Because the rest of the Arab states want the conflict to continue. They would do what they could to break any peace that was made, and launch attacks on Israel by proxy groups.

The solution does not lie solely with the Palestinians. It lies with the rest of the Arab world, especially those who produce anti-semitic lies and propaganda— like our allies, Saudi Arabia.

No truer words.

288 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:53:43am

FWIW - here is my take on the speeches today on the Israeli/Palestinian talks.

Netanyahu restated his/Likud’s long standing positions of placing security before concessions.

Abbas did the standard Arabist routine of reciting resolutions by various international bodies and past declarations to make it seem that the Palestinians are completely in the right in terms of international law, should already be a sovereign state, and that such “negotiations” are (by implication) superfluous.

Clinton did the standard expansive vision coupled with careful caution with a little “we are a peace partner” cherry on top that every US administration does when launching these efforts.

The only interesting thing of note - Abbas referred to himself as basically representing the PLO. He continually referred to the PLO in his statement and not the Palestinian Authority. Why? To signal Hamas that won’t claim any deal done includes them. Coupled with his recitations on “incitement” it is a signal that Fatah will take the Serbian route of continuing to support the violence while pretending to have nothing to do with it.

Why bother? Because more US aid will flow from an administration that wants to place a photo of the Rose Garden signing ceremony in the Presidential Library - the same motivation afflicting and blinding every admin before this one.

289 jaunte  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:55:10am

Breaking news.

An oil rig has exploded in the Gulf of Louisiana, WDSU reports. Thirteen workers aboard the rig were reportedly thrown into the water, but have been accounted for. One person is reported injured.

Update at 11:48 a.m. ET: Coast Guard Petty Officer Casey Ranel says a helicopter was sent to the site after a report that the rig was on fire “and that there was smoke and there were people in the water,” The Times-Picayune of New Orleans reports.

Update at 11:41 a.m. ET: The Coast Guard says the oil rig is located 80 miles south of Vermilion Bay, Louisiana.
[Link: www.usatoday.com…]

290 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:56:09am

re: #286 Obdicut

I disagree. Jordan and Egypt are at peace with Israel, and they are in closest proximity to Israel. So for starters, not all Arab countries are involved in trying to thwart peace.

Iran and Saudi Arabia are more distant and try to influence the regional politics with their petro dollars via proxies (Syria along with Hamas and Hizbullah and al Qaeda) , but if Abbas and the Palestinians were truly interested in peace, the US monies flowing their way (which is pretty much a given in any peace deal) would outdo the money coming from Iran or Saudi Arabia.

But it’s nice to see you agree with the fact that there will be no peace deal here because the Palestinians are incapable of making a peace deal both because of their internal hatred of Israel’s very existence and the external pressures to continue the conflict via countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia.

291 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:57:37am

re: #289 jaunte

I’ve been watching the Twitter feeds. Also posted upstream a map of the location. And this is a rig explosion, not a well blow out.

292 _remembertonyc  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:58:34am

re: #286 Obdicut

No. Palestine could commit itself to peace tomorrow and there would still not be peace. Because the rest of the Arab states want the conflict to continue. They would do what they could to break any peace that was made, and launch attacks on Israel by proxy groups.

The solution does not lie solely with the Palestinians. It lies with the rest of the Arab world, especially those who produce anti-semitic lies and propaganda— like our allies, Saudi Arabia.


absolutely right …

293 jaunte  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:59:16am

re: #291 Cannadian Club Akbar

That’s some better news. I’ve been away in a colleague’s office who got the note via email; didn’t see your link until I posted.

294 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 8:59:30am

re: #291 Cannadian Club Akbar

I’ve been watching the Twitter feeds. Also posted upstream a map of the location. And this is a rig explosion, not a well blow out.

We don’t know yet CCA..It could be a well blow out..
/How are you today?

295 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:00:44am

Re: the oil rig explosion: It’s fascinating to watch the zillions of completely contradictory early reports go whizzing by.

So far, I’ve seen:

“Dozens” injured
13 overboard, one missing
12 on board, one overboard
No injuries, all accounted for
Severe injuries, all accounted for
Rig still burning
No fire at rig
Rig was pumping
Rig wasn’t pumping

Amazing.

296 researchok  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:02:11am

re: #287 researchok

No truer words.

Any peace treaty with Israel impacts the Arab world in two important ways.

First and on many levels, a peace treaty would highlight Arab world failures. Notwithstanding obscene oil wealth in comparison to Israel, the Arab world is a third world basket case. The UN Report on Human Development cites the Arab world as having the lowest level of education in the world, save for sub Saharan Africa.

Secondly, and in many ways more importantly, a peace treaty and acceptance of Israel’s right to exist is a repudiation of the Arabs have been told is the Islamic destiny to rule over the Jews. This is something the Arab leadership cannot abide because they have used religion as a political means/too to keep order. As long as religious outrage cannot be focused outward, those regimes remain relatively safe from internal dissent.

Change the focus and rage to point inwards and the power of the regimes wil be diminished and be under threat.

The pursuit of peace is a moral exercise.

When nations that are that are led by or are under the influence of tyrants or dictators, attempt to justify those actions, we can rightly assume that justification is false. Tyrants and dictators do not make moral choices, because moral choices can only lead to the demise of the tyranny.

Anyone that comes to the defense of tyrannical regimes and their leaders, have themselves made a conscious choice to defend and stand by what is immoral. They themselves consciously adopt an immoral posture.

Peace at this time is very unlikely.

297 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:02:11am

re: #295 negativ

I’ve seen the same, but noon update on my radio said all accounted for.

298 cliffster  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:02:29am

re: #295 negativ

yeah, we know it’s pointless to watch the story this early on, but we do it anyways..

299 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:03:33am

re: #290 lawhawk

I am not sure that the Palestinians would not agree to any peace deal.

I think most Palestinians would support a deal that -
1) dissolved the state of Israel
2) expelled all Jews from the region
3) forced multi-generational reparations payments on said expelled Jews.

Not only would Palestinians support that but I’d say a lot of the European Left would too.

300 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:03:40am

re: #294 HoosierHoops

Doing good. Lotsa sleep last night. Making wet burritos tonight. And football! (haven’t got to see my Bucs yet)

301 _remembertonyc  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:03:41am

re: #290 lawhawk

I disagree. Jordan and Egypt are at peace with Israel, and they are in closest proximity to Israel. So for starters, not all Arab countries are involved in trying to thwart peace.

Iran and Saudi Arabia are more distant and try to influence the regional politics with their petro dollars via proxies (Syria along with Hamas and Hizbullah and al Qaeda) , but if Abbas and the Palestinians were truly interested in peace, the US monies flowing their way (which is pretty much a given in any peace deal) would outdo the money coming from Iran or Saudi Arabia.

But it’s nice to see you agree with the fact that there will be no peace deal here because the Palestinians are incapable of making a peace deal both because of their internal hatred of Israel’s very existence and the external pressures to continue the conflict via countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia.


i think you and Obdicut are both right. but in the mideast, you can see how the various muslim believers treat each other …. and it’s can be pretty ugly. the only thing these groups agree on is their shared hatred of the Jews. So in their attempt at arab/muslim unity, there is only one thing that holds them together. and here’s a hint … it is not peace with Israel.

302 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:05:12am

re: #300 Cannadian Club Akbar

Doing good. Lotsa sleep last night. Making wet burritos tonight. And football! (haven’t got to see my Bucs yet)


my buddies are taking me to the Colts game tonight.. It’s a going away present from the Hoosier Boys…

303 cliffster  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:05:19am

you can almost hear the sounds of conspiracy theories’ engines getting revved up…

304 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:05:26am

re: #295 negativ

Re: the oil rig explosion: It’s fascinating to watch the zillions of completely contradictory early reports go whizzing by.

So far, I’ve seen:

“Dozens” injured
13 overboard, one missing
12 on board, one overboard
No injuries, all accounted for
Severe injuries, all accounted for
Rig still burning
No fire at rig
Rig was pumping
Rig wasn’t pumping

Amazing.

Thus why the “24 hour” rule is often invoked. Time for the initial flurry of rumors and false reports to be filtered through.

305 researchok  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:05:54am

re: #290 lawhawk

I disagree. Jordan and Egypt are at peace with Israel, and they are in closest proximity to Israel. So for starters, not all Arab countries are involved in trying to thwart peace.

Iran and Saudi Arabia are more distant and try to influence the regional politics with their petro dollars via proxies (Syria along with Hamas and Hizbullah and al Qaeda) , but if Abbas and the Palestinians were truly interested in peace, the US monies flowing their way (which is pretty much a given in any peace deal) would outdo the money coming from Iran or Saudi Arabia.

But it’s nice to see you agree with the fact that there will be no peace deal here because the Palestinians are incapable of making a peace deal both because of their internal hatred of Israel’s very existence and the external pressures to continue the conflict via countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Egypt and Jordan are not at peace with Israel. They may have signed peace treaties but by any standard of measurement, their understanding of what is ‘peace’ is very different than our own.

Israel is being tolerated for the moment- but the constant calls in Egypt and Jordan for rescinding the peace treaty and of recognition of Israel is a reminder of just what kind of ‘peace’ really does exist.

Take away US foreign aid committments to Egypt and Jordan and the ‘peace’ will fade away.

306 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:06:24am

re: #302 HoosierHoops

my buddies are taking me to the Colts game tonight.. It’s a going away present from the Hoosier Boys…

Cool. Have a cold one for me!!:)

307 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:08:37am

re: #299 karmic_inquisitor

@elbruce

[Link: www.meforum.org…]

308 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:10:46am

re: #290 lawhawk

I disagree. Jordan and Egypt are at peace with Israel, and they are in closest proximity to Israel. So for starters, not all Arab countries are involved in trying to thwart peace.

Jordan is indeed trying to thwart the peace, or they would give the West Bank Palestinians citizenships and not keep them holding out for a ‘right of return’ to Israel.

Iran and Saudi Arabia are more distant and try to influence the regional politics with their petro dollars via proxies (Syria along with Hamas and Hizbullah and al Qaeda) , but if Abbas and the Palestinians were truly interested in peace, the US monies flowing their way (which is pretty much a given in any peace deal) would outdo the money coming from Iran or Saudi Arabia.

That’s great. It wouldn’t stop the attacks on Israel, and good money doesn’t really cancel out bad. We already give them shitloads of money, remember. If we give them shitloads more, it’s not going to buy off the people who are ideologically committed; they will still be there for the Saudis and others to use.

But it’s nice to see you agree with the fact that there will be no peace deal here because the Palestinians are incapable of making a peace deal both because of their internal hatred of Israel’s very existence and the external pressures to continue the conflict via countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Oh, there may be a peace deal that might achieve a little, but it won’t really do anything for Israel. I doubt there will be any deal, yes. But I think constantly talking about the conflict in terms of Israel-Palestine, rather than Isreal-rest-of-the-Arab-world-and-Iran, is useful. It completely distorts the magnitude of the problem.

There is also the sadness that peace-loving Palestinians of intelligence and moral character have also been fleeing Palestine, as fast as they can. I know lots of great Palestinians in the US. They’re here in the US because they don’t want to be in the middle of the conflict, they don’t want to be party to Hamas and other terrorist attacks. So, year by year, the population in Palestine becomes more radicalized, pushed by Saudi propaganda, by the refusal of the Arab countries to accept refugees, and by their hideous, malignant leadership.

309 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:11:32am

I just got a voice mail on my cell. Didn’t understand most of it. Nice business model, there.
/

310 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:11:54am

re: #306 Cannadian Club Akbar

Cool. Have a cold one for me!!:)

We are playing the Bengals tonight…Should be fun…They have a converted School Bus to tailgate from…It’s pretty cool..I went to the NASCAR Michigan race with them last year in the Bus…The last time Junior won…The Magic Bus!

311 elbruce  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:14:08am

re: #305 researchok

Israel is being tolerated for the moment- but the constant calls in Egypt and Jordan for rescinding the peace treaty and of recognition of Israel is a reminder of just what kind of ‘peace’ really does exist.

Take away US foreign aid committments to Egypt and Jordan and the ‘peace’ will fade away.

So, if some people in a country have opinion X, then we should treat the country as having opinion X? Does that mean that your “constant call” to revoke foreign aid is official pollicy of the U.S?

It’s starting to sound to me like a lot of people here don’t want a peace process to succeed. Yes, the litany of things that various Palestinian groups and Arab nations have done wrong is a very very very long one. But blame isn’t a solution.

Netanyahu’s and Abbas’ comments actually sounded like there might be some room to get somewhere this time. They’re certainly more hopeful than the last time around. But listening to all of these posts of people insisting that Palestinians/Arabs are completely irredeemable makes it sound like the only solution y’all could possibly advocate is just glass-cratering everything in the region except for Israel. I’m sure there are people in all of the countries who are just as stuck in this finger-pointing game. I hope this is a chance for cooler heads to ignore them all.

312 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:14:50am

re: #276 reuven

Are you _sure_ she’s yours?

Absolutely positive.
No doubt about it.

313 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:15:26am

re: #305 researchok

Exactly. No modern Muslim politician in the Middle East can run on a ‘I ensured peace with Israel and the continued existence of Israel’ platform.

And they will not be able to until the disgusting anti-Israel, anti-semitic propaganda stops flowing out of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Iran, and all the other countries there.

Or until those governments fall.

314 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:15:41am

re: #310 HoosierHoops

When I had season tix for the Bucs with friends, we talked about buying a short bus and convert it. Including putting Jack Daniels in the window washer tank and running a line into the bus.:)

315 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:15:55am

Crap.
Another rig explodes.
Crap.

This doesn’t appear to have been a drilling operation.

316 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:16:52am

re: #315 reine.de.tout

Crap.
Another rig explodes.
Crap.

This doesn’t appear to have been a drilling operation.

I just saw this CG thinks it was inactive.
[Link: www.wafb.com…]

317 elbruce  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:17:05am

re: #308 Obdicut

Jordan is indeed trying to thwart the peace, or they would give the West Bank Palestinians citizenships and not keep them holding out for a ‘right of return’ to Israel.


I’m a little confused about this. Stopping refugees at the border (as they have done in the past) is awful, but why are people insisting that as a matter of regular policy, the Israel/Palestinian conflict is the neighboring Arab states’ fault because they won’t support simply expelling all Palestinians from expanded Israel? Are you advocating kicking all the Palestinians out as a solution?

318 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:18:19am

re: #316 Cannadian Club Akbar

I just saw this CG thinks it was inactive.
[Link: www.wafb.com…]

Yeah, just saw that too.
Weird. I wonder what happened? Only 13 people on board, doesn’t sound like it was actively doing anything.

319 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:18:53am

re: #311 elbruce

I’m not assinging ‘blame’. I’m saying that there is no possible way for Israel to have peace with people who depend on vilifying them in order to maintain political control.


That has to stop being the political tactic of the Arab states, or peace talks are obviously bogus.

320 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:18:57am

re: #286 Obdicut

No. Palestine could commit itself to peace tomorrow and there would still not be peace. Because the rest of the Arab states want the conflict to continue. They would do what they could to break any peace that was made, and launch attacks on Israel by proxy groups.

The solution does not lie solely with the Palestinians. It lies with the rest of the Arab world, especially those who produce anti-semitic lies and propaganda— like our allies, Saudi Arabia.

A quote from my nephew, who is well versed in diplomacy “The Arab world is willing to fight Israel down to the last Palestinian”

321 _remembertonyc  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:18:58am

re: #311 elbruce

So, if some people in a country have opinion X, then we should treat the country as having opinion X? Does that mean that your “constant call” to revoke foreign aid is official pollicy of the U.S?

It’s starting to sound to me like a lot of people here don’t want a peace process to succeed. Yes, the litany of things that various Palestinian groups and Arab nations have done wrong is a very very very long one. But blame isn’t a solution.

Netanyahu’s and Abbas’ comments actually sounded like there might be some room to get somewhere this time. They’re certainly more hopeful than the last time around. But listening to all of these posts of people insisting that Palestinians/Arabs are completely irredeemable makes it sound like the only solution y’all could possibly advocate is just glass-cratering everything in the region except for Israel. I’m sure there are people in all of the countries who are just as stuck in this finger-pointing game. I hope this is a chance for cooler heads to ignore them all.


in your mind, what percentage of the blame for the conflict is due to israel and what percentage is due to the actions of the other side?

322 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:18:59am

re: #318 reine.de.tout

Yeah, just saw that too.
Weird. I wonder what happened? Only 13 people on board, doesn’t sound like it was actively doing anything.

I heard it was a production platform, if that helps?

323 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:20:40am

re: #322 Varek Raith

I heard it was a production platform, if that helps?

Yep that’s what I saw - the drilling was over and done with, this was a production platform, but it appears there was no production actually going on. Weird.

324 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:21:12am

re: #317 elbruce

I’m a little confused about this. Stopping refugees at the border (as they have done in the past) is awful, but why are people insisting that as a matter of regular policy, the Israel/Palestinian conflict is the neighboring Arab states’ fault because they won’t support simply expelling all Palestinians from expanded Israel? Are you advocating kicking all the Palestinians out as a solution?

No, I’m talking about, mainly, the decision of the Arab states to deny citizenship status to the children of refugees as well as the original refugees.

You know about that, right?

325 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:21:35am

It appears everyone was rescued (or will be).
And, this isn’t where the Roi is right now. Whew. Can I tell you I panicked for a bit?

326 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:23:10am

re: #323 reine.de.tout

Yep that’s what I saw - the drilling was over and done with, this was a production platform, but it appears there was no production actually going on. Weird.

You still need fuel to run things if it was being serviced or repaired.

327 HoosierHoops  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:23:23am

re: #314 Cannadian Club Akbar

When I had season tix for the Bucs with friends, we talked about buying a short bus and convert it. Including putting Jack Daniels in the window washer tank and running a line into the bus.:)

These guys bought a full sized school bus years ago..It is awesome inside and looks like a legitimate bus on the outside…They take turns being the sober driver but good lord in the Bus there is massive trash talking and beer drinking and laughing and food…This is a serious tailgating group…Food is everything…It is a blast! The Yellow School bus will be picking me up later today at my house..Yahoo!

328 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 9:36:07am

re: #283 _remembertonyc

it all boils down to a pathological hatred of the Jews. Israeli leaders understand this but still they try. they deserve credit, but are not obligated to commit national suicide.

Tell that to the Peace Now types. I lack adequate words to describe my feelings for these people and their “Give them what they want and we’ll live in peace and harmony forever, with rainbows and unicorns” attitude. I’ve concluded that they are sadomasochists at heart.

329 elbruce  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 10:08:45am

re: #321 _remembertonyc

in your mind, what percentage of the blame for the conflict is due to israel and what percentage is due to the actions of the other side?

In my mind, we need to stop trying to do that calculation. What good will it do? If that’s relevant, then your only options are to either (a) use that as a reason to not try to have peace at all, or (b) try to match how bad they’re being with how bad you can be.

When you sit down to negotiations, certainly everything the other side is currently doing that’s an obstacle should be items on the table to be resolved. But that’s as far as it goes. Otherwise going on about it is an obstacle.

330 elbruce  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 10:19:52am

re: #324 Obdicut

No, I’m talking about, mainly, the decision of the Arab states to deny citizenship status to the children of refugees as well as the original refugees.

You know about that, right?

Sure. But that’s not directly relevant.

Let me illustrate what I’m trying to get at here, if I can:

AMERICA: You should take all our Muslims from now on in open immigration.

CANADA: Why?

AMERICA: We’re not getting along very well, and it would be really helpful if they could move to your country instead.

CANADA: You’re kicking out all your Muslims? WTF?

AMERICA: Well, we’re not exactly kicking them all out right now. We’d like to get along better with them, but if they can’t all flee the country at any moment and live somewhere else then I’m afraid we just won’t be able to.

CANADA: This is totally fucked up, eh! We’re not going to go along with that.

AMERICA: Well then, it’s all your fault that we aren’t getting along.

Mind you, the Arab states are being way over the top in insisting that all Palestinians and their kids never get local status in the presumed hopes that they’ll be able to send them back down the road. But I don’t see that as actually being relevant in whether Israel can come to a peace deal with (some representative organization of) Palestinians.

331 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 10:27:04am

re: #330 elbruce

Why are you saying that Israel wants to deport all the Muslims, though?

That’s what you have to have, if your analogy is true.

It’s not.


Mind you, the Arab states are being way over the top in insisting that all Palestinians and their kids never get local status in the presumed hopes that they’ll be able to send them back down the road. But I don’t see that as actually being relevant in whether Israel can come to a peace deal with (some representative organization of) Palestinians.

Not relevant? Really? The fact that the Arab states inform these refugees that the only chance at a normal life they ever have for their children is for Israel to unconditionally allow right of return isn’t relevant to the peace process?

I can see you thinking that Israel is in the wrong on that, and that they should allow the refugees back— I can see that more than I can see the idea that it’s not ‘relevant’.

332 RogueOne  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 12:15:17pm

re: #178 Obdicut

You’re joking, right?

I’ve written to public officials my whole life. Lots of times. Hundreds, maybe thousands of times.

I don’t think I’m on a list. I think it’s far more likely that those letters have never actually been read, or, if they have, have been glossed to extract some bullet-point meaning.

I was only teasing. There was a story recently though about a crank who kept writing his congressman nasty letters and he did have a visit from investigators. I want to say it was in PA but I’m not 100% sure.

OTOH, if you’ve written that many times you’re definitely on “the list”.

333 elbruce  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 1:12:37pm

re: #331 Obdicut

Why are you saying that Israel wants to deport all the Muslims, though?

That’s what you have to have, if your analogy is true.

In that analogy, Israel = America, Palestinians = American Muslims. Both would have to map over.

And I’m not saying that Israel wants to deport all Palestinians. But if you believe that neighboring Arab states refusing take all Palestinians is a roadblock to Israeli/Palestinian peace, then you are logically implying that.


re: #331 Obdicut

Not relevant? Really? The fact that the Arab states inform these refugees that the only chance at a normal life they ever have for their children is for Israel to unconditionally allow right of return isn’t relevant to the peace process?


No, it’s a completely separate issue. Mind you, the Palestinian side might want to make that right of return an item on the negotiating table, but they’d probably want to regardless of what the neighboring states did.


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