Texas Taliban Pass Silly Anti-Islam Resolution

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Yesterday we noted the Texas State Board of Education’s latest obsession: a resolution to limit what textbooks can print about Islam, based on out of context selections from books that haven’t been used for seven years. The Republican creationists and fanatics on the board have decided it’s their job to defend Christianity, by making sure there’s more Jesus and less Mohammed in everybody’s kids’ schoolbooks.

Well, the SBOE has embarrassed Texas again and passed that stupid resolution.

Today the Texas State Board of Education voted 7-6 to adopt a resolution attacking Islam and calling on publishers to stop writing what the resolution falsely claims are social studies textbooks with an anti-Christan/pro-Islamic bias. Texas Freedom Network President Kathy Miller is releasing the following statement:

“Board members rejected numerous opportunities today to pass a resolution that called on publishers to treat all religions with balance and accuracy in their textbooks. It is hard not to conclude that the members who voted for this resolution were solely interested in playing on fear and bigotry in order to pit Christians against Muslims.

This is the 21st century. Education is more important than ever for the future success of our children. Yet board members continue to ignore sound scholarship and mire themselves in every hot button political issue they can find. They simply refuse to put the education of Texas schoolchildren ahead of personal and political agendas.”

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1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:27:30pm

These people are very bored with the other portions of their lives.

2 jamesfirecat  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:28:15pm

Republicans do stuff like this in their free time, and yet accuse the democrats of being wasteful for giving Stephen Colbert five minuets in front of a microphone... go figure.

3 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:30:11pm

Texas... indoctrinating the next generation with fear, loathing, lies and ignorance.

These people are a stain on America and all it stands for.

4 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:34:49pm

In fact, let me say this. The Texas BOE has the very real plan of rewriting truth.

All realities that do not fit their hateful dogmas are to be rejected.

America has a separation of Church and State? Well, write that out of the books and replace Jefferson with Calvin.

Evolution? What evolution...

AGW, nope the world is just like it was when it was created - 6,000 years ago.

Dinosaurs - put there by Satan to confuse the faithful.

These troglodytes are a cancer in America. They can not be allowed to pollute another generation with their lies and stupidity. They truly wish to remake America into a hateful theocracy and they truly wish to destroy those values of free speech and free religious expression that make this nation great.

They will re-write history to do so and they will not let any fact that contradicts their dogma stand in the record. These are the thought police and what petty unthinking creatures they are.

5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:38:45pm

re: #2 jamesfirecat

Well... that don't make sense either.

6 pharmmajor  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:40:04pm

To the Texas SBOE: Go Team Retard!

7 Lidane  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:40:19pm

Dear Texas SBOE,

Would you please STFU and quit making this state look like it's filled with a bunch of ignorant, backwards idiots? That'd be great. Thanks.

No love,
Me

8 pharmmajor  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:40:52pm

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

Texas... indoctrinating the next generation with fear, loathing, lies and ignorance.

These people are a stain on America and all it stands for.

Don't attack the entire state just because of the actions of a few idiots.

9 RadicalModerate  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:41:41pm

Can someone explain to me how this is a setback to the Obama administration, since he's been on the forefront of repealing the military's "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy?

Judge orders lesbian Air Force nurse reinstated

Judge Ronald Leighton of Tacoma, Washington, made his ruling Friday. It is the latest legal and political setback for the Obama administration, which is seeking to end the policy through a legislative and executive solution.

Maj. Margaret Witt, a decorated flight nurse with 20 years of service, had sued to return to the Air Force Reserve. She was honorably discharged in July 2007 on the grounds that she had a six-year relationship with another woman, a civilian.

10 thatthatisis  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:42:21pm

re: #8 pharmmajor

Don't attack the entire state just because of the actions of a few idiots.

But these aren't random people. These are elected officials, voted in by the State of Texas.

11 jamesfirecat  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:42:27pm

re: #6 pharmmajor

To the Texas SBOE: Go Team Retard!

Zero Punctuation quotes always deserve an upding.

12 pharmmajor  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:42:54pm

re: #11 jamesfirecat

Zero Punctuation quotes always deserve an upding.

Tank you.

13 countrockulot  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:43:19pm

I know this isn't going to be a popular opinion around here, but you guys they're right. I looked at my kid's math book the other day and it was talking about ARABIC NUMERALS! I quickly pulled her out of school and she starts home schooling on Jesusrithmetic on Monday.

14 jamesfirecat  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:44:27pm

re: #13 countrockulot

I know this isn't going to be a popular opinion around here, but you guys they're right. I looked at my kid's math book the other day and it was talking about ARABIC NUMERALS! I quickly pulled her out of school and she starts home schooling on Jesusrithmetic on Monday.

True Christians only use Roman Numerals!

How else will our country survive to see the MMXII elections?

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:46:48pm

re: #13 countrockulot

I know this isn't going to be a popular opinion around here, but you guys they're right. I looked at my kid's math book the other day and it was talking about ARABIC NUMERALS! I quickly pulled her out of school and she starts home schooling on Jesusrithmetic on Monday.

With proper Roman numbers?

Make her do it on a wax tablet for maximum holiness.

16 Lidane  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:47:32pm

re: #14 jamesfirecat

True Christians only use Roman Numerals!

The Romans were the ones who crucified Jesus. Wouldn't using Roman numerals be anti-Christian? We should totally just count on our fingers and toes. It's the only way to be sure we're not offending any religions out there.

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17 simoom  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:47:43pm

An excellent Dallas Morning News editorial on this:

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]

Let's not pretend that the resolution on Islam that the Texas State Board of Education is considering is about balance in textbook coverage of the world's major religions. While its final lines sound reasonable – "reject future prejudicial Social Studies submissions" that have "significant inequalities of coverage space-wise" or that reflect bias "by demonizing or lionizing" one religion over others – the rest of it is clearly not about fairness. It is about fear – specifically, fear of Muslims, including, presumably, the numerous Texas Muslims among the board's constituents.

If the resolution were really motivated by concern for various religions, we might expect it to at least mention them. But it names only two traditions, Islam and Christianity, which it presupposes are in conflict. Its first line complains that "pro-Islamic/anti-Christian bias has tainted some past Texas Social Studies textbooks." It later objects that "pro-Islamic/anti-Christian half-truths, selective disinformation, and false editorial stereotypes still roil some Social Studies textbooks nationwide." In its rhetoric, the terms "pro-Islamic" and "anti-Christian" go hand in hand; whatever is "pro-Islamic" is by definition "anti-Christian."
...
The resolution warns that "more such discriminatory treatment of religion may occur as Middle Easterners buy into the U.S. public school textbook oligopoly," referring to the Dubai royal family's investment in a major publisher. One might reasonably doubt such a correlation. Few would argue that Fox News is unduly sympathetic to Islam, even with a Saudi prince as the second largest shareholder of its parent company.

This charge is important, however, because it points to the motivation of the resolution's chief proponent, failed school board candidate Randy Rives. Rives recently cautioned that dangerous outsiders might try to control America, using textbooks as their tool. "If you can control or influence our educational system, then you can start taking over the minds of our young people." He predicted that problems would increase as "more and more Moslems' [sic] money is pumped into buying textbooks."

In short, this resolution appears to be motivated not by a desire for balanced treatment of Islam but by ill-founded anxiety about a Muslim takeover of America. It is the same sort of anti-Islamic sentiment that has manifested itself so often in recent weeks. It is driven by half-truths, selective disinformation and false editorial stereotypes.

18 Digital Display  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:48:10pm

re: #14 jamesfirecat

True Christians only use Roman Numerals!

How else will our country survive to see the MMXII elections Superowl?

Good evening Lizards!

19 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:48:38pm

re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist

With proper Roman numbers?

Make her do it on a wax tablet for maximum holiness.

Be careful with that!! I vaguely remember an early church martyr was a teacher whose pagan students stabbed him to death with styli.

20 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:49:57pm

re: #19 Decatur Deb

Be careful with that!! I vaguely remember an early church martyr was a teacher whose pagan students stabbed him to death with styli.

This may yet happen to me. The kids are theoretically Catholics, but they're getting pretty rousty this last week or two.

21 lostlakehiker  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:51:12pm

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

Texas... indoctrinating the next generation with fear, loathing, lies and ignorance.

These people are a stain on America and all it stands for.

Awww. The whole of Texas? This is a lame-duck SBOE passing resolutions about textbooks that aren't in use and never will be in use again.

Which lies did the resolution insist be incorporated into textbooks? As to ignorance, well, yes, Texas has a problem there. If results on the NAEP mean anything, what's taught in school isn't exactly seared into childrens' memories. But it's far from the only state with an ignorance problem.

As to fear and loathing, only real-world events can move the ball up and down the field. Every time a scarf-wearing woman shops for groceries, the fear-and-loathing coefficient goes down. After all, nothing bad happened. Every time a Major Hasan opens fire, it goes up.

On balance, Americans, and Texans, don't choose Islam for their religion, but they're not that much worried about it. There are so many problems in the world, and the list is mainly dominated by simple personal concerns and economic matters.

22 Lidane  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:51:38pm

re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist

This may yet happen to me. The kids are theoretically Catholics, but they're getting pretty rousty this last week or two.

Blame it on the equinox and on some kind of pagan influence, then send them all to an exorcist. That's what I'd do, just to get a few hours of free time. ;)

23 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:52:17pm

re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist

This may yet happen to me. The kids are theoretically Catholics, but they're getting pretty rousty this last week or two.

Found him, St. Cassian of Imola. Be warned.

[Link: www.ttstm.com...]

24 Digital Display  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:52:22pm

re: #22 Lidane

Blame it on the equinox and on some kind of pagan influence, then send them all to an exorcist. That's what I'd do, just to get a few hours of free time. ;)

I need a young priest and an old priest!

25 lostlakehiker  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:55:34pm

re: #14 jamesfirecat

True Christians only use Roman Numerals!

How else will our country survive to see the MMXII elections?

Mmm maybe we could just agree to call them PatriotNumerals? The Soviet Union had a long-standing practice of revising history so that everything was invented in Russia.

Arabic numerals were stolen from the National Bureau of Standards in 1796 and carried by time travelers to India, in 400. From there, they spread to the rest of the world. But we, we proud patriots, invented them!!!

Another solution, one that has the advantage of being true, would be to give credit to the actual place of origin. INDIA. Before the 600s.

26 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:55:58pm

re: #21 lostlakehiker


As to fear and loathing, only real-world events can move the ball up and down the field. Every time a scarf-wearing woman shops for groceries, the fear-and-loathing coefficient goes down. After all, nothing bad happened. Every time a Major Hasan opens fire, it goes up.

Untrue. Not only real-world event influence such things. If someone has been carefully taught to hate, that lady in her headscarf raises the hate, as everything they have been taught about such people plays in their heads. Does she smile? It's taqiyah. Does she seem pleased to see her husband? Poor woman, she lives in fear of his honor-killing her at any second.

When the Fort Bliss shooting happened this last week, I watched as the hater blogs prepared to be told it was a Muslim and rehearsed their hate of a. Muslims, and b. the media that would conceal the truth. Did they feel better about Muslims when the shooter turned out to be a non-Muslim? Doubt it. They'd had time to stoke up their anger again, and convince themselves of the intense danger in which they live.

Propaganda is dangerous, which is why people go on using it as a weapon. And fighting over what can be said about Islam in textbooks is a BIG part of that.

27 Digital Display  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:56:34pm

re: #23 Decatur Deb

Found him, St. Cassian of Imola. Be warned.

[Link: www.ttstm.com...]

So that is where the name Imola came from! Amazing..I used to live off Imola street in Napa..Freaking snobs...You just know in the Valley they always have obscure street names to show how worldly they are..LOL

28 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:56:36pm

re: #17 simoom

Rives recently cautioned that dangerous outsiders might try to control America, using textbooks as their tool. "If you can control or influence our educational system, then you can start taking over the minds of our young people."

These people are just incredibly fearful LOONS.

I fear them!

29 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:56:44pm

re: #22 Lidane

Blame it on the equinox and on some kind of pagan influence, then send them all to an exorcist. That's what I'd do, just to get a few hours of free time. ;)

I'll ask father B. if he'd like to cast demons out of them.

Although, frankly, that might be a cool social studies project. And it's cross-curricular with religion.

30 Lidane  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:56:55pm

re: #21 lostlakehiker

This is a lame-duck SBOE passing resolutions about textbooks that aren't in use and never will be in use again.

Not the point. These are the same assholes who are trying to strip Thomas Jefferson from the history books, and now this?

For an education board, they're not real concerned about teaching the facts. They'd rather deliberately make kids ignorant and force colleges to pick up the slack later just to check off a bunch of ideological points. It's insane.

On balance, Americans, and Texans, don't choose Islam for their religion, but they're not that much worried about it.

Except that the assholes on the SBOE, and the other idiots like Geller and Spencer are out there feeding the ignorance and fear that people have, and then we have garbage like this happening.

31 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:58:41pm

re: #27 HoosierHoops

So that is where the name Imola came from! Amazing..I used to live off Imola street in Napa..Freaking snobs...You just know in the Valley they always have obscure street names to show how worldly they are..LOL

Italian families probably settled from there.

32 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 3:59:26pm

BBL

33 Digital Display  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:02:50pm

re: #31 Decatur Deb

Italian families probably settled from there.

There is a awesome Winery in Napa that they disassembled in Germany and put it back together piece for piece in the Valley.. It is awesome to visit. Line a Castle...Heck if I can remember the name..I took a tour once..

34 lostlakehiker  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:04:16pm

re: #26 SanFranciscoZionist

Untrue. Not only real-world event influence such things. If someone has been carefully taught to hate, that lady in her headscarf raises the hate, as everything they have been taught about such people plays in their heads. Does she smile? It's taqiyah. Does she seem pleased to see her husband? Poor woman, she lives in fear of his honor-killing her at any second.

When the Fort Bliss shooting happened this last week, I watched as the hater blogs prepared to be told it was a Muslim and rehearsed their hate of a. Muslims, and b. the media that would conceal the truth. Did they feel better about Muslims when the shooter turned out to be a non-Muslim? Doubt it. They'd had time to stoke up their anger again, and convince themselves of the intense danger in which they live.

Propaganda is dangerous, which is why people go on using it as a weapon. And fighting over what can be said about Islam in textbooks is a BIG part of that.

Propaganda that is contradicted by real-life truth on the ground falls flat. Especially, it falls flat if it's not on every last channel 7/24. The news did indeed not report that the Ft. Bliss shooter was M-m. They didn't report it because it wasn't true. If it had been true, they would have worded the report in the most scrupulously neutral language possible.

The mainstream media are generally careful not to lie, and when they do lie, it's more likely to be something like the Mavi Marmara photo editing, or the identical smoke plumes over Beirut, or what have you.

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:07:06pm

re: #34 lostlakehiker

Propaganda that is contradicted by real-life truth on the ground falls flat. Especially, it falls flat if it's not on every last channel 7/24. The news did indeed not report that the Ft. Bliss shooter was M-m. They didn't report it because it wasn't true. If it had been true, they would have worded the report in the most scrupulously neutral language possible.

The mainstream media are generally careful not to lie, and when they do lie, it's more likely to be something like the Mavi Marmara photo editing, or the identical smoke plumes over Beirut, or what have you.

The Internet provides the haters with an alternate means of indoctrination, and the mainstream media becomes their vehicle after they start shit over mosques in Manhattan and Koran burnings in Florida.

Propaganda is powerful. Not all-powerful, but pretty damn effective.

36 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:07:07pm

If you don't like your textbooks, just burn them.

(Get carbon credits first.)

Board announces that it will publicly burn textbooks...

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37 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:07:48pm

re: #34 lostlakehiker

Propaganda that is contradicted by real-life truth on the ground falls flat.

No it doesn't. I'm sorry, but this is incredibly Pollyanish and naive.

The Jews of Germany were, by and large, well-assimilated, to the point many thought of themselves as German first, Jewish second. Yet the propaganda against them worked, despite the many good relationships they'd built up in German society. Ditto in Poland.

Women have always been clearly the intellectual equals of men-- and yet in many, many societies, women were seen as not just different, but inferior; again, propaganda at work.

Why on earth do you believe something so contradicted by human history?

38 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:08:10pm

Let's play football with our kid's minds ...

39 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:08:22pm

re: #36 Ojoe

For fuck's sake, Ojoe, the answer to all of life's problems is not book-burning!

40 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:09:23pm

re: #39 Obdicut

For fuck's sake, Ojoe, the answer to all of life's problems is not book-burning!

Dang. (Puts down the vocabulary textbook.)

(They get so upset when they fail the tests!)

41 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:09:46pm

re: #39 Obdicut

No, but it might decrease the sale of Kingford's charcoal, and increase the sale of Webers.

42 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:11:12pm

I cannot be serious about this subject anymore.

Mmmm, Texas BBQ, can you taste the subtle Mid-Eastern flavors on that steak?

43 Digital Display  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:11:18pm

re: #40 SanFranciscoZionist

Dang. (Puts down the vocabulary textbook.)

(They get so upset when they fail the tests!)

Does this Bic Lighter feel like it's 451 degrees?
/

44 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:12:06pm

Is there any way to look at these textbooks to see their "bias?? Seriously these people are loons.

45 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:12:26pm

re: #39 Obdicut

For fuck's sake, Ojoe, the answer to all of life's problems is not book-burning!

roflmao

46 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:13:02pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

Is there any way to look at these textbooks to see their "bias?? Seriously these people are loons.

Smoked loons at that.

47 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:13:42pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

Is there any way to look at these textbooks to see their "bias?? Seriously these people are loons.

Yes, you can probably get a copy of any textbook that you can get the title and publisher or ISBN number of, used, through Amazon. I do it all the time to get supplementary materials my school has lost or never ordered, or whatever. I've done it to make up a not-quite-complete class set as well.

48 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:15:18pm

Jesus, this SBOE is the most unconstitutional entity in the US.

49 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:15:53pm

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, you can probably get a copy of any textbook that you can get the title and publisher or ISBN number of, used, through Amazon. I do it all the time to get supplementary materials my school has lost or never ordered, or whatever. I've done it to make up a not-quite-complete class set as well.

Ah really not in my budget to get a textbook. But okay. I am just wondering what these actually say since I remember learning about the religions very well in 9th grade which was 9 years ago.

50 simoom  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:16:39pm

Colbert breaking character at the end of the House Committee Hearing, excerpted from the C-SPAN Video Archives:

[Link: www.c-spanarchives.org...]

Rep. Judy Chu: Mr. Colbert, you could work on so many issues. Why are you interested in this issue?

Colbert: I like talking about people who don't have any power. And it seems like one of the least powerful people in the United States are migrant workers that come and do our work, but don't have any rights as a result. And yet we still invite them to come here, and at the same time ask them to leave. And that's an interesting contradiction to me. And, you know, whatever you do for the least of my brothers, and these seem to be the least of our brothers -- right now -- a lot of people are least brothers right now because the economy is so hard and I don't want to take anyone's hardship away from anyone and diminish anyone like that, but migrant workers suffer, and have no rights.

51 Digital Display  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:16:56pm

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

You are the luckiest teacher in the world to not have me in your class...
I didn't do well in Catholic School..*wink*
/I could tell you stories that would have you laughing

52 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:17:02pm

OK, just checked the calender. It's still 2010. For a minute there I thought it was 1910.

/

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:17:22pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Ah really not in my budget to get a textbook. But okay. I am just wondering what these actually say since I remember learning about the religions very well in 9th grade which was 9 years ago.

In California, most material about Islam is in the seventh-grade book, since they cover the Middle Ages. I don't find the material in the book we use inappropriate. (But I wouldn't, being as I'm a dhimmified tranzi prog or something.)

54 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:17:29pm

What I learned in high school about religion wasn't much, considering I don't remember it at all..
What's with the freakout, Texas?

55 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:17:40pm

The Scope Trial was the worst thing that ever happened to Murica.

/Wingnut

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:18:01pm

re: #55 Gus 802

The Scope Trial was the worst thing that ever happened to Murica.

/Wingnut

How come? They found him guilty.

/

57 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:18:51pm

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

How come? They found him guilty.

/

That's cause everybudy's giltee until provens innocent.

/Wingnut.

58 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:18:52pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

In California, most material about Islam is in the seventh-grade book, since they cover the Middle Ages.

OK

59 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:19:17pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

In California, most material about Islam is in the seventh-grade book, since they cover the Middle Ages. I don't find the material in the book we use inappropriate. (But I wouldn't, being as I'm a dhimmified tranzi prog or something.)

Yeah I am sure it's just an explanation of the five pillars, a little background on Muhammad, and stuff like that. That's what it was for me. Seriously, I can't believe these people are in a position to decide what goes in textbooks.

60 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:20:35pm

re: #55 Gus 802

The Scope Trial was the worst thing that ever happened to Murica.

/Wingnut

Ha, I have to say seeing Inheriit the Wind back when I was an 8th grader was sort of a political awakening for me. I was in awe that they wanted to actually punish Scopes for teaching evolution. Always liked Darrow too and my inner populist kinda still likes Bryan.

61 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:20:54pm

re: #54 Varek Raith

What I learned in high school about religion wasn't much, considering I don't remember it at all..
What's with the freakout, Texas?

Well. Since they can't sexually masturbate they've become rather adept at mental masturbation.

62 windsagio  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:20:56pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

The problem is they probably don't spend enough time describing him as a pedophile >>

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:21:49pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

Yeah I am sure it's just an explanation of the five pillars, a little background on Muhammad, and stuff like that. That's what it was for me. Seriously, I can't believe these people are in a position to decide what goes in textbooks.

It's a good, thorough coverage of the subject, but it would deeply offend those who want Islam to be shown as the Scourge of God.

64 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:22:27pm

OK book burning is not the answer, why not freeze them instead?

65 Lidane  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:22:40pm

re: #54 Varek Raith

What I learned in high school about religion wasn't much, considering I don't remember it at all..
What's with the freakout, Texas?

It's because Texas places the largest school textbook orders in the country, and other states follow what Texas uses. These YEC, far right whackjobs have taken over the SBOE to get their beliefs into the textbooks that are then bought here and elsewhere so they can make kids all over the country dumber in the process.

66 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:22:42pm

re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a good, thorough coverage of the subject, but it would deeply offend those who want Islam to be shown as the Scourge of God.

I think that's what it is. Since it's an impartial look at the religions. I remember us covering Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinudism, Buddhism, and I think Shinto as well.

67 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:23:58pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Don't forget the Sub Genius outfit.

68 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:24:01pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

I think that's what it is. Since it's an impartial look at the religions. I remember us covering Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinudism, Buddhism, and I think Shinto as well.

Man, I really don't remember any of that...
And that was only ~9 years ago...
:/

69 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:24:56pm

re: #64 Ojoe

OK book burning is not the answer, why not freeze them instead?

Freezing is an excellent idea. If you have older books, freezing them every now and again is a good idea. Kills any bugs that have decided to snack on the glue and paper.

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:25:09pm

re: #64 Ojoe

OK book burning is not the answer, why not freeze them instead?

Do they get freezer burn if you do that?

71 jamesfirecat  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:25:19pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Ha, I have to say seeing Inheriit the Wind back when I was an 8th grader was sort of a political awakening for me. I was in awe that they wanted to actually punish Scopes for teaching evolution. Always liked Darrow too and my inner populist kinda still likes Bryan.

I saw it back when I was in 7th grade I think...

A great movie that everyone should see... though I worry that some people refuse to realize the message of how no one should believe they truly know the mind of god...

72 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:25:28pm

The Texas SBOE is just part of a plan to further dumb down the population to get them ready for all of those farm harvest picker jobs that will be opening up soon. This is part of the GOP/Immigration Reform/Education/AgJobs Program.

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73 Lidane  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:26:32pm

re: #67 Ojoe

Don't forget the Sub Genius outfit.

I like the Subgenius folks. They openly admit it's all a bullshit money-making scam.

Hell, I'm even "ordained" by them, since a friend bought me one of their "salvation" kits when I turned 30. Heh.

74 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:27:11pm

BBL

Stay silly ...

75 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:27:39pm

Shut up boy! The Earth is flat and it's 6000 years old. Keep your trap shut and pick those vegetables.

//

76 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:28:08pm

Plantation Education

77 windsagio  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:28:57pm

re: #73 Lidane

they're a little heavy-handed :P

(really just wanted to post to show off my new icon, woo!)

78 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:29:10pm

On behalf of myself and Killgore Trout, I would like to submit that growing and picking your own vegetables is a fine idea.

79 Kragar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:30:31pm

re: #75 Gus 802

Shut up boy! The Earth is flat and it's 6000 years old. Keep your trap shut and pick those vegetables.

//

Its 5 minutes old and banana shaped, you moran!

80 windsagio  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:30:34pm

re: #78 EmmmieG

On behalf of myself and Killgore Trout, I would like to submit that growing and picking your own vegetables is a fine idea.

best thing in my childhood in some ways. Worst thing was the child labor of weeding.

81 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:31:23pm

re: #80 windsagio

best thing in my childhood in some ways. Worst thing was the child labor of weeding.


It should have developed character. What happened?
//

82 windsagio  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:32:45pm

re: #81 EmmmieG

It should have developed character. What happened?
//

Bazing!

They let up on making us do it when I was a teenager, aka when you need it the most :p

83 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:32:49pm

re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its 5 minutes old and banana shaped, you moran!

Thank you Mr. Comfort.

Coming up next we're going to hear from noted scientist and Texas SBOE educational consultant, Kirk Cameron.

/

84 jamesfirecat  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:33:19pm

re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its 5 minutes old and banana shaped, you moran!

Tis clearly a disc supported by four elephants who themselves stand on the back of a gigantic turtle!

85 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:34:08pm

re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its 5 minutes old and banana shaped, you moran!

NO.
TURTLES.
ALL.
THE.
WAY.
DOWN.

86 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:34:40pm

re: #78 EmmmieG

On behalf of myself and Killgore Trout, I would like to submit that growing and picking your own vegetables is a fine idea.

One of the few things that did well for me this year was carrots. I bought those rainbow carrot seed packs. It's always a surprise when you pull a carrot. Sometimes yellow, sometimes, red or white. They all taste different and much better that the mealy orange ones from the market. Shred them with a speed peeler and serve with honey mustard dressing. Very delicious.

87 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:35:19pm

Any day now they're going to bring back the witch hunts.

/

88 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:36:18pm

re: #87 Gus 802

Any day now they're going to bring back the witch hunts.

/

Just don't turn anyone into a newt and you'll be fine.

89 Kragar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:37:34pm

re: #88 EmmmieG

Just don't turn anyone into a newt and you'll be fine.

I wouldn't want anyone to be turned into Newt. Thats just cruel.

90 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:38:27pm

re: #89 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I wouldn't want anyone to be turned into Newt. Thats just cruel.

Could you imagine? You'd look at the mirror and scream... "my head, my head! What have they done to my head! And my face! Kill me now!"

//

91 Kragar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:38:38pm

re: #87 Gus 802

Any day now they're going to bring back the witch hunts.

/

I call dibs on the position of Grand Inquisitor.

92 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:38:51pm

re: #89 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I wouldn't want anyone to be turned into Newt. Thats just cruel.

Unless you started out as a lower life form and it was an upgrade!

93 Kragar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:39:12pm

re: #90 Gus 802

Could you imagine? You'd look at the mirror and scream... "my head, my head! What have they done to my head! And my face! Kill me now!"

//

"Why do I have the sudden urge to get a new wife?"

94 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:40:16pm

re: #92 sattv4u2

Unless you started out as a lower life form and it was an upgrade!

Former speakers of the house...............

95 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:40:34pm

re: #73 Lidane

I like the Subgenius folks. They openly admit it's all a bullshit money-making scam.

Hell, I'm even "ordained" by them, since a friend bought me one of their "salvation" kits when I turned 30. Heh.

People exposed to Church materials for the first time often ask, "is this really a freaky religion/cult full of kooky weirdos, or it all just a huge, elaborate joke?"

Of course, the answer is: "Why not BOTH?"

Running Your Own Cult: Dos and Donts

At the end of the course, students will have designed and developed their own religious cult to the point of marketability.

Rev. Ivan Stang is compiling the most telling true-life anecdotes, photos, video and audio clips that illustrate the Church of the SubGenius story since 1980. These "most telling" moments are also usually the funniest, although some are tragic indeed. They also prompt all manner of questions and observations about the nature of religion and philosophy.

At the same time, we will be examining the nuts-and-bolts aspects (accent on the nuts) of physically running a cult religion mail order business, fringe philosophical movement and social club. The history of SubGenius is itself a how-to in low-budget multimedia exploitation using bare-bones equipment and skills.


Course Weekly Syllabus

1 Current State of SubGenius Church - overview

This catches the student up on the basic catechism and the full breadth of the SubGenius media reach. We quickly trace the path of the Dobbshead graphic from Yellow Pages clip art, to huge posters, tattoos and colossal sculptures, and back to "clip art".

Student will have to decide on the focus and key tenets of a brand new original religion/philosophical system.

2 Inspirations and Beginnings

Religion-like precursors: wrestling, monster movies, cooler traditions with more monsters and sex - Lovecraft - RAW/Shea - zines, home movies, Firesign Theater, underground comics - Masons, Rosicrucians, Scientology, Zappa, Looney Tunes, surrealism, etc.)

Student will gather elements needed to physically create outreach materials for new religion -- first tract writing

(etc.)

96 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:40:45pm

re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I call dibs on the position of Grand Inquisitor.

Figures.
You and your nutty Emperor.

97 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:40:53pm

re: #94 wozzablog

Former speakers of the house...

Oh,, in that case, it's an even swap

NOW ,, if we're talking about the CURRENT one ,,,,,

98 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:41:09pm

re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Why do I have the sudden urge to get a new wife?"

"Honey, now that you have cancer and it looks like you might die I might as well tell you. I've been seeing another woman and want a divorce. Please don't be selfish and give me a hard time." -- Newt Gingirch

//

99 HypnoToad  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:41:20pm

re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #84 jamesfirecat

re: #85 Varek Raith

I have ironclad proof that it is a toroid that rotates like a smoke ring. It also rotates along its circumference and the Sun bobs up and down through the center. The various periods of these motions explain the seasons as well.

100 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:41:47pm

OT

P.F. Changs frozen Beef and Broccoli meal

eh ,,,

101 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:41:47pm

re: #99 HypnoToad

re: #84 jamesfirecat

re: #85 Varek Raith

I have ironclad proof that it is a toroid that rotates like a smoke ring. It also rotates along its circumference and the Sun bobs up and down through the center. The various periods of these motions explain the seasons as well.

HERETIC!

102 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:42:21pm

What about the giant glass celestial spheres that the stars are embedded in? I can't figure out where they fit in.

103 Kragar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:42:43pm

re: #96 Varek Raith

Figures.
You and your nutty Emperor.

Just because yours barely lasted 2 decades and was defeated by muppets is no reason to get snippy.

104 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:43:08pm

re: #102 EmmmieG

What about the giant glass celestial spheres that the stars are embedded in? I can't figure out where they fit in.

Shake the sphere so it'll snow

It's 93 degrees here !

105 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:43:34pm

re: #103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just because yours barely lasted 2 decades and was defeated by muppets is no reason to get snippy.

Nah, that fool needed to go.
And as long as the new Rebel continue to believe that I possess a Death Star, all is fine.
;)

106 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:44:22pm

re: #100 sattv4u2

OT

P.F. Changs frozen Beef and Broccoli meal

eh ,,,

Have one of these handy:

Image: 315N6NKNSQL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

107 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:44:59pm

bbl

108 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:45:21pm

re: #106 negativ

Have one of these handy:

Image: 315N6NKNSQL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

As uninspiring as it was, I think the P.F. Changs dinner would taste better
But thanks anyway

109 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:45:29pm

re: #36 Ojoe

If you don't like your textbooks, just burn them.

(Get carbon credits first.)

Board announces that it will publicly burn textbooks...

/

Shhhh! Don't give 'em any ideas!

110 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:45:50pm

Official logo of the Texas SBOE

111 Kragar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:46:15pm

re: #105 Varek Raith

Nah, that fool needed to go.
And as long as the new Rebel continue to believe that I possess a Death Star, all is fine.
;)

Silly reliance on superweapons.

112 HypnoToad  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:47:05pm

re: #102 EmmmieG

What about the giant glass celestial spheres that the stars are embedded in? I can't figure out where they fit in.

An ignorant myth. They are all embedded in the Aether. Currents in the Aether move them about. You can see these currents with the proper combination of polarizers. The planets are closer, so you see them move more.

113 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:47:07pm

Hmmm. Gift idea for Killgore.

[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]

114 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:47:25pm

re: #113 Gus 802

Hmmm. Gift idea for Killgore.

[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]

[Link: www.thinkgeek.com...]

115 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:47:40pm

Tea Party keeping it classy.....
Brawl erupts between Reid, Angle supporters at forum

"He punched me twice, so I punched him back twice," Kay Mehta said as she nursed a red, tearing eye and waited for police to arrive. "I was just defending myself."
....
She alleged he tried to push her over the seats in front of him when she tried to pass. That is when the Reid and Angle partisans began to tussle and then exchange blows.

Tanaka accused the Angle supporter of hitting her. Mehta said she then got involved. Some bystanders said one of the women shoved the man back into his seat when he tried to get up.

The fight escalated after Angle finished speaking and blew a kiss to supporters in the audience. She left quickly to catch a flight to Reno as the scuffle disrupted the auditorium.

116 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:47:54pm

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Silly reliance on superweapons.

I'll let you in on a secret.
I don't have a Death Star.
But!
The rebels think I do.
They chase at phantoms while I systematically destroy them.

117 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:48:19pm

Like this headline @ TPM

They got to Biden

Biden recently brought under Sharia Law with terrorist fistbump ...

Image: sharia-fistbump.jpg

(oh and that they labeled the photo as such!!)

118 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:48:19pm

re: #113 Gus 802

Hmmm. Gift idea for Killgore.

[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]

I'd so hurt myself with that...
XD

119 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:49:01pm

re: #114 Gus 802

[Link: www.thinkgeek.com...]

Ouch. I like the geekines but $24 buck is a bit spendy.

120 Kragar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:49:43pm

re: #116 Varek Raith

I'll let you in on a secret.
I don't have a Death Star.
But!
The rebels think I do.
They chase at phantoms while I systematically destroy them.

Aren't they the New Republic now?

Meanwhile, I'm tempted to dable with Necron again because of this:
Image: ts14sm.jpg

121 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:49:51pm

re: #119 Killgore Trout

Ouch. I like the geekines but $24 buck is a bit spendy.

Yeah but it has multiple uses.

Star Trek Enterprise Pizza Cutter from ThinkGeek

Youtube Video
122 Linden Arden  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:50:27pm

I can't remember either one covered in my Western Civ college courses - which was, of course, very Euro-Centric as the title implies. Yet the two classes were the only required history classes back in the 1980 time frame where I went to college.

I didn't think anything about it back then.

123 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:50:38pm

re: #121 Gus 802

Heh

124 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:50:54pm

re: #120 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Aren't they the New Republic now?

Meanwhile, I'm tempted to dable with Necron again because of this:
Image: ts14sm.jpg

Actually, they are the "Galactic Alliance" now. The New Republic merged with the Imperial Remnant.

Neat pic. What is it, besides awesome?

125 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:51:55pm

g'night peeps.

126 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:52:57pm

re: #123 Killgore Trout

Heh

I have to stop looking otherwise I'll get that pizza urge started.

127 Kragar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:53:21pm

re: #124 Varek Raith

Actually, they are the "Galactic Alliance" now. The New Republic merged with the Imperial Remnant.

Neat pic. What is it, besides awesome?

Necron Tomb Stalker, a guardian creature for Tomb Worlds, which is roughly the size of an 18 wheeler and can phase thru solid matter in pursuit of prey.

128 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:54:18pm

re: #127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Necron Tomb Stalker, a guardian creature for Tomb Worlds, which is roughly the size of an 18 wheeler and can phase thru solid matter in pursuit of prey.

I want one.
In black.
And red.

129 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:54:58pm

This. Is funny.

[Link: a323.yahoofs.com...]

That's Ron Artest

130 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:57:20pm

re: #129 Gus 802

This. Is funny.

[Link: a323.yahoofs.com...]

That's Ron Artest

Love Ronron

131 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:58:41pm

re: #55 Gus 802

The Scope Trial was the worst thing that ever happened to Murica.

/Wingnut

In many ways, we have regressed since the Scopes trial. At the time, in 1925, the law and the trial were almost universally seen as the product of unspeakable backwardness in an especially isolated part of the country. My grandmother tells me this was the case even in Texas, where the major papers joined H.L. Mencken in making sport of the rubes and hicks who had somehow gained control of the Tennessee legislature. Similar legislation in other states was laughed out of committee and clergy from coast to coast rushed to point out the obvious theological and textual failings of creationist fundamentalism. Needless to say, neither political party was interested in jumping on the creationist bandwagon.
Even so, the trial was not a clear-cut victory for science and reason. The anti-evolution law remained on the books until 1968. The teaching of evolution was watered won and Fundamentalists used the intervening time to refine their strategy and presentaton. When the National Defense Education Act of 1958 mandated much higher standards in science education, the fundamentalists were ready. They challenged the new standards all over the country, most strongly in Texas. These challenges to the NDE were defeated in the short term but they were probably the real beginning of the modern creationist movement. The creationists on the SBOE trace their activism back in an unbroken line from that controversy.
Ironically, the National Defense Education had been passed to strengthen American education in the aftermath of the Sputnik launch and other perceived advances in communist countries.

132 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:58:51pm

re: #130 Stanley Sea

Love Ronron

Here's the article...

[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]

133 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:00:44pm

re: #132 Gus 802

Here's the article...

[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]

[Link: a323.yahoofs.com...]

134 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:00:52pm

Lol.

135 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:03:31pm

re: #131 Shiplord Kirel

What an embarrassment. What a legacy. People wonder why so many of these crackpots are called anti-science. That's because they are anti-science and reflect a lot of fundamentalist view much like the Taliban.

136 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:03:33pm

re: #105 Varek Raith

Nah, that fool needed to go.
And as long as the new Rebel continue to believe that I possess a Death Star, all is fine.
;)

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Farce.

137 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:04:43pm

re: #132 Gus 802

Here's the article...

[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]

OH LOL!!

thanks!!

138 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:06:12pm

re: #132 Gus 802

re: #133 Varek Raith

How could you not love that dude.

139 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:06:59pm

re: #131 Shiplord Kirel

From the Wiki link:

Second it provided financial assistance—primarily through the National Defense Student Loan program—for thousands of students who would be part of the growing numbers enrolling at colleges and universities in the 1960s.[2]

...which became the National Direct Student Loan program, which got me through school. Thanks, Sputnik!

140 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:07:09pm

re: #138 Stanley Sea

re: #133 Varek Raith

How could you not love that dude.

I want a mini race car now...
:(

141 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:08:31pm

Image: anti_evolution_league1233293950.jpg

142 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:11:38pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

From the Wiki link:

...which became the National Direct Student Loan program, which got me through school. Thanks, Sputnik!

hate to say it, but read somewhere where a wingnut was dismissing the student loan program.

143 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:15:02pm

re: #142 Stanley Sea

hate to say it, but read somewhere where a wingnut was dismissing the student loan program.

Socialism, I bet. Funny, I don't think socialists are the ones who want young people to start out with big debts.

The DREAM act is the one that really has 'em sputtering.

144 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:16:18pm

Next they'll want to unsocialize socialism.
/

Later gators.

145 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:17:22pm

Image: evolution.jpg

147 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:22:39pm
It is hard not to conclude that the members who voted for this resolution were solely interested in playing on fear and bigotry in order to pit Christians against Muslims.

These paranoid fundamentalists want a conflict to arise between Christians and Muslims, don't they? I mean, isn't it part of their whole apocalyptic outlook regarding the final battle between good and evil? Okay, maybe this vote won't do anything of the sort in the long run, but I can't help but wonder if it's just a small step into a greater calling to disenfranchise American Muslims (at the very least).

148 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:23:05pm

Wow. He was really swinging at her: Candidate Forum Scuffle

Luckily he's fat and old.

149 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:29:00pm

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

And yet another raving homophobe turns out to have more than skeletons in his closet.

As PZ Myers put it, the probability that a religious leader is a sex offender is directly proportional to the the virulence of his homophobia.

150 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:32:04pm

re: #149 negativ

As PZ Myers put it, the probability that a religious leader is a sex offender is directly proportional to the the virulence of his homophobia.

Dey eat da poo-poo!

151 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:32:52pm

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

And yet another raving homophobe turns out to have more than skeletons in his closet.

My Bishop Long, that's quite a collection of gay porn you have in your book shelves.

That's my research collection. All of that is purely for research.

/

152 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:33:54pm

Sort of like people that run to Folsom Street Fair to take a lot of picture of erections.

It's purely for the research and to educate the public.

//

153 jaunte  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:38:38pm

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

And yet another raving homophobe turns out to have more than skeletons in his closet.

You just can't make this stuff up.

Today, the suburban Atlanta church has more than 25,000 members, making it one of the largest in the country. It boasts a school, a youth fellowship for young men called LongFellows Academy
154 Ericus58  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:39:50pm

I see RadicalModerate has mentioned this - I had to post a page on it.

Judge orders Air Force to reinstate officer forced out by 'don't ask, don't tell'

As I said in my page:
"This is a Ruling that all present and past Veterans should agree with.
I'm a Retired USN guy. I have personally worked with and lead gay military members - and I am very at peace with this. I have enjoyed knowing and serving with members that I knew were gay - hell, the unit knew they were.
That wasn't the issue - rather it is the character and dedication a service member has to self, their fellow sailors (in my case) and to the Country.
That is what is needed and expected.

I was NEVER disappointed. I'm proud to have served with them."

155 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:45:01pm

re: #154 Ericus58

I see RadicalModerate has mentioned this - I had to post a page on it.

Judge orders Air Force to reinstate officer forced out by 'don't ask, don't tell'

As I said in my page:
"This is a Ruling that all present and past Veterans should agree with.
I'm a Retired USN guy. I have personally worked with and lead gay military members - and I am very at peace with this. I have enjoyed knowing and serving with members that I knew were gay - hell, the unit knew they were.
That wasn't the issue - rather it is the character and dedication a service member has to self, their fellow sailors (in my case) and to the Country.
That is what is needed and expected.

I was NEVER disappointed. I'm proud to have served with them."

This is the most confusing part, the people against repealing DADT act like there are no gays in the military. Real life is different, and of course the military can handle it.

Kudos.

156 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:48:10pm

Evening lizards!

157 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:50:33pm

re: #147 eclectic infidel

These paranoid fundamentalists want a conflict to arise between Christians and Muslims, don't they? I mean, isn't it part of their whole apocalyptic outlook regarding the final battle between good and evil? Okay, maybe this vote won't do anything of the sort in the long run, but I can't help but wonder if it's just a small step into a greater calling to disenfranchise American Muslims (at the very least).

Apparently, they need to kill and burn a special magic cow, too, and there is a collection of people working diligently to breed it. This will (obviously) cause Jesus to return and begin the final battle between Good and Evil.

It drives me insane(r) to know that eleventy jillion people sincerely believe the most deliriously goofy bullshit ever thought up by desert-dwelling nomads at a time when humans had just begin to glimpse darkly the concept that it might be a good idea to actively try to keep feces out of their food.

158 Ericus58  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:53:04pm

re: #155 Stanley Sea

This is the most confusing part, the people against repealing DADT act like there are no gays in the military. Real life is different, and of course the military can handle it.

Kudos.

I should add that I never wanted to disappoint a fellow gay service member also. My standard was the same for me - how I treated them was the same as anyone else.

If I was to be true to myself, how could I not give anyone deserving of respect the same as I would want for myself?

The railroad job this Officer received - and she is not alone - is reprehensible and had to be reversed. That close to retirement and it's benefits and they kicked her out?! You have got to be shitting me!

NO WHERE in her records or evaluations did Maj. Margaret Witt deserve this.

159 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:53:41pm

Awesome.
I finally fixed my connectivity issues.
Router was borked up.

160 lostlakehiker  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:53:43pm

re: #61 Gus 802

Well. Since they can't sexually masturbate they've become rather adept at mental masturbation.

Nah. Speed chess is the avatar of that form of recreation.

161 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:54:44pm

re: #159 Varek Raith

Am I late to the new avatar party? good one!

162 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:54:47pm

re: #157 negativ

I think society will be healthier without that sort of religious bullshit being promulgated as fact - but that scenario will have to develop on its own, over much time.

163 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:55:09pm

re: #161 Stanley Sea

Am I late to the new avatar party? good one!

Yep, a little late.
ARGH!
:)

164 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:57:59pm

Warning over 'Stuxnet' computer worm

San Francisco, California and London, England (FT.com) -- A piece of highly sophisticated malicious software that has infected an unknown number of power plants, pipelines and factories over the past year is the first program designed to cause serious damage in the physical world, security experts are warning.

The Stuxnet computer worm spreads through previously unknown holes in Microsoft's Windows operating system and then looks for a type of software made by Siemens and used to control industrial components, including valves and brakes.

Stuxnet can hide itself, wait for certain conditions and give new orders to the components that reverse what they would normally do, the experts said. The commands are so specific that they appear aimed at an industrial sector, but officials do not know which one or what the affected equipment would do.

While cyber attacks on computer networks have slowed or stopped communication in countries such as Estonia and Georgia, Stuxnet is the first aimed at physical destruction and it heralds a new era in cyberwar.

At a closed-door conference this week in Maryland, Ralph Langner, a German industrial controls safety expert, said Stuxnet might be targeting not a sector but perhaps only one plant, and he speculated that it could be a controversial nuclear facility in Iran.

According to Symantec, which has been investigating the virus and plans to publish details of the rogue commands on Wednesday, Iran has had far more infections than any other country.

165 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:58:12pm

Newsflash -

Texas Board subjects objectionable books to high vacuum !

"We thought these books really sucked & we wanted to see exactly now much," a board member said.

/

166 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:59:26pm

re: #164 Varek Raith

Wow.

167 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 5:59:33pm

re: #163 Varek Raith

9/19. I tried to live it.

168 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:00:57pm

re: #167 Stanley Sea

9/19. I tried to live it.

I annoyed the crap out of my friends on that day.
XD

169 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:01:39pm

re: #157 negativ

Apparently, they need to kill and burn a special magic cow, too, and there is a collection of people working diligently to breed it. This will (obviously) cause Jesus to return and begin the final battle between Good and Evil.

It drives me insane(r) to know that eleventy jillion people sincerely believe the most deliriously goofy bullshit ever thought up by desert-dwelling nomads at a time when humans had just begin to glimpse darkly the concept that it might be a good idea to actively try to keep feces out of their food.

Of course even if a holy war were to take place it wouldn't be technically possible to bring about a so called Armageddon. The result would be a historical humiliation of mankind and those involved and only lead to limited warfare and if possible a limited nuclear exchange. The only time in history when that might have been possible was during the Cold War.

The end of mankind won't come about because of religions or human societies. It will come about by either an event that is either mundane and lasting over a period of several months or years: such as a human super virus. Or, it will come about due to a rapid catastrophic failure (so to speak) such as an errant asteroid.

There are other possibilities but in the end it won't be due to a war or a Biblical Armageddon. Instead it will be the result of a natural event or the collapse of the human ecosystem -- history and paleontology has shown this to be the case for preceding animal species.

170 Ericus58  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:03:03pm

re: #164 Varek Raith

Warning over 'Stuxnet' computer worm

Don't mess with the Zohan.
There are more than one way to skin a critter....

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:03:08pm

re: #157 negativ

Apparently, they need to kill and burn a special magic cow, too, and there is a collection of people working diligently to breed it. This will (obviously) cause Jesus to return and begin the final battle between Good and Evil.

It drives me insane(r) to know that eleventy jillion people sincerely believe the most deliriously goofy bullshit ever thought up by desert-dwelling nomads at a time when humans had just begin to glimpse darkly the concept that it might be a good idea to actively try to keep feces out of their food.

The red heifer is back? Damn, I love that animal, but it causes so much trouble in modrun times.

172 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:05:06pm

re: #170 Ericus58

It's my avatar inquiring night. Nice one too!

173 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:05:12pm

Angle sees leftist conspiracy: Angle says women ‘staged the fight’ to detract from supposed news at non-debate

Angle: Well I think this is a play right out of Saul Alinksky’s rule for radicals. What happens if you don’t want the news to report on the forum and the debate between the two contestants, you try to make a bigger news story. And the news story is the brawl, and so that’s what they did. They staged a fight, that’s the way that I felt it was going. There were two women that were actually looking for a fight, trying to get that to be the top news story and they succeeded.

174 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:05:15pm

Had a bit of contact with the old Ex today (where she spits, grass won't grow.) Not to mint words, or anything, but it sure feels like I've been thoroughly
shrewn.

175 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:05:46pm

re: #170 Ericus58

Don't mess with the Zohan.
There are more than one way to skin a critter...

Cyber warfare sure is taking off, eh?
I mean, sure, we email bombed some of the Iraqi generals during Iraqi Freedom. But this, this is way scarier/cooler.

176 Ericus58  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:06:05pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

It's my avatar inquiring night. Nice one too!

Thanks!
I like yours too!

177 Kragar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:06:20pm

re: #174 Capitalist Tool

Had a bit of contact with the old Ex today (where she spits, grass won't grow.) Not to mint words, or anything, but it sure feels like I've been thoroughly
shrewn.

*mince words

178 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:06:29pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

Angle sees leftist conspiracy: Angle says women ‘staged the fight’ to detract from supposed news at non-debate

Right. Sure it was. Looked like two hot heads to me.

179 Kragar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:06:45pm

re: #175 Varek Raith

Cyber warfare sure is taking off, eh?
I mean, sure, we email bombed some of the Iraqi generals during Iraqi Freedom. But this, this is way scarier/cooler.

Ah, job security is a wonderful thing.

180 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:06:59pm

re: #177 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

mint, as in coin

181 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:07:09pm

re: #174 Capitalist Tool

Had a bit of contact with the old Ex today (where she spits, grass won't grow.) Not to mint words, or anything, but it sure feels like I've been thoroughly
shrewn.

Just be thankful you don't have to feel like that all day every day.

182 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:07:17pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

It's my avatar inquiring night. Nice one too!

Hehehe.
That bird is a rebel.

183 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:07:54pm

OT..
Please remember the 4 children of our friend Laurie R.
She was killed today by her husband who then took his own life!
Or small town will have a have time with this as we are!

184 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:08:53pm

re: #178 Gus 802

Right. Sure it was. Looked like two hot heads to me.

Not to me. If it had been a young fit male trying to pass I seriously doubt the old fat man would have swung.

185 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:09:11pm

re: #183 reloadingisnotahobby

Oh Lord.
The world as it is. My heart is constantly broken.

186 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:09:25pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout

Not to me. If it had been a young fit male trying to pass I seriously doubt the old fat man would have swung.

I'll have to look at it again.

187 Ericus58  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:11:22pm

re: #175 Varek Raith

Cyber warfare sure is taking off, eh?
I mean, sure, we email bombed some of the Iraqi generals during Iraqi Freedom. But this, this is way scarier/cooler.

Cyber warfare is the latest - I just hope that the US/NATO/Allies are not late to the party.

There are well documented cases of past events - with origins in Russia, China.
But just as in the Space Race - when the US cranks it up, beware.

And don't your think that the Israeli's don't have a few cards to play.... hmmm, just who has been at the leading edge of chip development....

188 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:11:26pm

re: #186 Gus 802

I'll have to look at it again.

He lets the first woman pass, then blocks the second woman. She scolds him, he gets up and punches her. That's the way I read those pics.

189 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:11:28pm

re: #164 Varek Raith

Warning over 'Stuxnet' computer worm

According to Symantec, which has been investigating the virus and plans to publish details of the rogue commands on Wednesday, Iran has had far more infections than any other country.

If people would quit using the shoddy mess that is Windows in mission-critical environments, the world would be much better off.

Typically, though, big or splashy news of government or industrial intrusions -- the best scare stories -- are now furnished almost entirely by "security experts" (AKA independent software vendors) because the vendors control the business of computer security in the US government.

190 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:11:30pm

re: #183 reloadingisnotahobby

OT..
Please remember the 4 children of our friend Laurie R.
She was killed today by her husband who then took his own life!
Or small town will have a have time with this as we are!

Crap! Sorry to hear that.

191 Ericus58  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:12:35pm

re: #183 reloadingisnotahobby

OT..
Please remember the 4 children of our friend Laurie R.
She was killed today by her husband who then took his own life!
Or small town will have a have time with this as we are!

Oh, damn.....
ARGH.

192 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:12:48pm

re: #177 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

*mince words

sliced/diced

193 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:14:02pm

re: #189 negativ

If people would quit using the shoddy mess that is Windows in mission-critical environments, the world would be much better off.

Typically, though, big or splashy news of government or industrial intrusions -- the best scare stories -- are now furnished almost entirely by "security experts" (AKA independent software vendors) because the vendors control the business of computer security in the US government.

Yep.
Though I wonder.
Why the hell are such important systems even connected to the web? Shouldn't they be completely isolated from it?

194 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:14:54pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

Angle sees leftist conspiracy: Angle says women ‘staged the fight’ to detract from supposed news at non-debate

oh my, Saul Alinsky? Lady is craazy

195 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:15:21pm

re: #183 reloadingisnotahobby

OT..
Please remember the 4 children of our friend Laurie R.
She was killed today by her husband who then took his own life!
Or small town will have a have time with this as we are!

Prayers to you and your town

As for the killer, may the coward rot in hell

196 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:15:37pm

re: #194 Stanley Sea

oh my, Saul Alinsky? Lady is craazy

MOst Hot Air readers seem to think it was a set up too. There's lots of crazy going around.

197 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:15:44pm

re: #194 Stanley Sea

oh my, Saul Alinsky? Lady is craazy

ANTI FLUORIDE CRUSADER TO THE RESCUE!!!

198 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:17:44pm

re: #195 sattv4u2

Prayers to you and your town

As for the killer, may the coward rot in hell


The price will be paid. There is no escape.

199 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:18:58pm

re: #194 Stanley Sea

oh my, Saul Alinsky? Lady is craazy

Must provide context if you didn't click the original story.

Angle:

Well I think this is a play right out of Saul Alinksky’s rule for radicals. What happens if you don’t want the news to report on the forum and the debate between the two contestants, you try to make a bigger news story. And the news story is the brawl, and so that’s what they did. They staged a fight, that’s the way that I felt it was going. There were two women that were actually looking for a fight, trying to get that to be the top news story and they succeeded.

teatard

200 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:20:08pm

re: #198 Capitalist Tool

The price will be paid. There is no escape.

According to atheists, it's over.

This is (at least) one time where faith IS a comfort

201 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:21:15pm

re: #200 sattv4u2

According to atheists, it's over.

This is (at least) one time where faith IS a comfort

Which is why I'm against the death penalty.

202 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:21:32pm

re: #200 sattv4u2

According to atheists, it's over.

This is (at least) one time where faith IS a comfort

For such as the killer, it may indeed be over, but not for the reasons that Atheists think.

203 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:22:21pm

re: #200 sattv4u2

According to atheists, it's over.

Which is a really strong motivator to work to ensure that stuff like murder and war and holocausts and what not are never allowed to happen.

204 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:23:17pm

re: #203 negativ

Which is a really strong motivator to work to ensure that stuff like murder and war and holocausts and what not are never allowed to happen.

How does one "never allow" those things to happen?

205 webevintage  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:23:49pm

re: #199 Stanley Sea


teatard

I notice that they are the only ones who ever mention Saul Alinksky....

206 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:23:54pm

re: #200 sattv4u2

According to atheists, it's over.

This is (at least) one time where faith IS a comfort

re: #202 Capitalist Tool

For such as the killer, it may indeed be over, but not for the reasons that Atheists think.

What the feck does this have to do with atheists?

207 simoom  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:24:42pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Tea Party keeping it classy...
Brawl erupts between Reid, Angle supporters at forum

Slideshow of the scuffle:
[Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]

208 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:25:40pm

re: #206 Gus 802

re: #202 Capitalist Tool

What the feck does this have to do with atheists?

I just expect this kind of thing.
Sigh.

209 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:26:02pm

re: #206 Gus 802


from 198
The price will be paid. There is no escape.

After I had stated

As for the killer, may the coward rot in hell

210 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:27:15pm

re: #209 sattv4u2

from 198
The price will be paid. There is no escape.

After I had stated

As for the killer, may the coward rot in hell

Capitalist Tool was agreeing with you.

211 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:28:12pm

re: #210 Gus 802

Capitalist Tool was agreeing with you.

I understand that

209 was in answer to you!

212 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:30:26pm

re: #201 Varek Raith

Which is why I'm against the death penalty.

I'm not. Murderers earn the needle when they commit their crimes. Please tell me why these two cretans deserve to live a long life...

213 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:30:41pm

re: #211 sattv4u2

I understand that

209 was in answer to you!

I still fail to see why you felt the need to bring up atheists.

214 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:32:00pm

re: #212 NJDhockeyfan

As opposed to nothing?
When they die, that's it. No going to hell. No suffering for all eternity. Just nothing.
I'd rather let them rot in jail for the rest of their lives than give them the pleasure of taking that away from them.

215 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:32:50pm

re: #213 Gus 802

I still fail to see why you felt the need to bring up atheists.

There is no escape.

The atheistic view of this monster is that he is now dead, hence it is over, correct?

I was making a comment about THAT

I am NOT denigrating atheists. I am not stating that one view is better than another. I made a declarative statement

216 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:34:22pm

re: #206 Gus 802

Atheists believe it's over because dead is dead; there is no afterlife.

Others tell us that death is merely the death of the personality and that the true being (we died to come here,) which inhabited the personality to come here to learn and grow, will return again and again in the search for perfection, the quest to become like that which created us.
Does it not say in the scriptures, "Ye are gods"?

From those teachings, the entire progress of the soul's journey can come to an end, when the thin glue that binds the whole together becomes stretched beyond limits and tears, if you will, with resultant dissolution of the eons of work done before. That being is "over". The glue? Love.
We see such monsters in our midst sometimes, those who are destroying their own soul- who have lost all feeling for others. We call them psychopaths.

217 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:34:52pm

re: #193 Varek Raith

Yep.
Though I wonder.
Why the hell are such important systems even connected to the web? Shouldn't they be completely isolated from it?

[Link: www.schneier.com...]

More and more companies are letting you. They're giving you an allowance and allowing you to buy whatever laptop you want, and to connect into the corporate network with whatever device you choose. They're allowing you to use whatever cell phone you have, whatever portable e-mail device you have, whatever you personally need to get your job done. And the security office is freaking.

You can't blame them, really. Security is hard enough when you have control of the hardware, operating system and software. Lose control of any of those things, and the difficulty goes through the roof. How do you ensure that the employee devices are secure, and have up-to-date security patches? How do you control what goes on them? How do you deal with the tech support issues when they fail? How do you even begin to manage this logistical nightmare? Better to dig your heels in and say "no."

But security is on the losing end of this argument, and the sooner it realizes that, the better.

218 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:35:17pm

re: #214 Varek Raith

As opposed to nothing?
When they die, that's it. No going to hell. No suffering for all eternity. Just nothing.
I'd rather let them rot in jail for the rest of their lives than give them the pleasure of taking that away from them.

Bring back the electric chair! Let them feel some pain while they die as they save the tax payers money from giving them a place to live. Fuck them all.

219 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:35:25pm

Even if god exists, and isn't a pretentious dick, I'd get into heaven anyway.
Win-win for me!

220 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:36:14pm

re: #218 NJDhockeyfan

Bring back the electric chair! Let them feel some pain while they die as they save the tax payers money from giving them a place to live. Fuck them all.

Fair enough.
I mean, I don't actively try to get rid of the death penalty. The law is the law.
I accept that.

221 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:36:17pm

re: #204 sattv4u2

How does one "never allow" those things to happen?

Did you miss the "try to" part? Given the choice (and assuming the ability), is it better to stop a murder or let it happen? Prevent a war or gleefully launch one?

222 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:38:30pm

re: #221 negativ

Did you miss the "try to" part? Given the choice (and assuming the ability), is it better to stop a murder or let it happen? Prevent a war or gleefully launch one?

Yup ,, ya got me!

I actively walk around starting fights and praying that our leaders launch attacks on all nations

Hell,, when we're done with all the countries, we should start warring state V state, then when thats over, county V county,, then city V city ,,, neighborhoon V neighborhood ,, house V house

223 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:38:38pm

Sorry. I can't even fantasize about someone dying and then being subjected to some geographic location deep in the bowels of Earth in a nether world of fire and Satan being tormented for billions if not trillions of years. Somehow, I think the idea of torturing someone for eternity to be rather extreme and sadistic even for a murderer.

224 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:38:46pm

re: #221 negativ

I'll be damned (hurr). I did in fact leave out the "try to" part. I'm going away now. Ignore everything I ever say, in case you don't already.

225 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:40:03pm

re: #223 Gus 802

Sorry. I can't even fantasize about someone dying and then being subjected to some geographic location deep in the bowels of Earth in a nether world of fire and Satan being tormented for billions if not trillions of years. Somehow, I think the idea of torturing someone for eternity to be rather extreme and sadistic even for a murderer.

Indeed.
Though, I think the part of hell you and I are going to has cable.

226 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:40:34pm

re: #223 Gus 802

Had a friend who used to say that he didn't believe in the devil because he'd looked all over hell for him...

227 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:40:41pm

re: #224 negativ

I'll be damned (hurr). I did in fact leave out the "try to" part. I'm going away now. Ignore everything I ever say, in case you don't already.

Fair enough

I take back #222 ,, (umm,, cept fopr the house V house part ,, I have one neighbor thats a real dickweed ,,,, coincidently, so does he!!)

228 jaunte  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:40:54pm

re: #225 Varek Raith

500 channels of C-Span 3.

229 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:40:57pm

re: #225 Varek Raith

Indeed.
Though, I think the part of hell you and I are going to has cable.

Hey. Don't forget. According to the believers atheists get to be tortured for trillions of years alongside murderers. Repent!

230 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:41:05pm

re: #225 Varek Raith

Indeed.
Though, I think the part of hell you and I are going to has cable.

Yeah ,, but only basic!

231 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:41:49pm

re: #220 Varek Raith

Fair enough.
I mean, I don't actively try to get rid of the death penalty. The law is the law.
I accept that.

Fair enough. The death penalty isn't in every state. It is in my state where we gave the needle to a woman. I believe Texas is the only state who out does us on carrying out executions.

232 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:42:19pm

re: #227 sattv4u2

Fair enough

I take back #222 ,, (umm,, cept fopr the house V house part ,, I have one neighbor thats a real dickweed ,,, coincidently, so does he!!)

My neighbor is a crazy old lady. She boards up the bottom of her fence to keep out my cat (who just jumps over the damn fence) She also rakes the leaves that fall into her yard from my trees back into my yard. She also glares at anyone passing by...
Lol.

233 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:42:37pm

I have cable- all the channels available in this fair city- nothing to watch, so here I am.
Sort of.

234 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:45:41pm

re: #223 Gus 802

Sorry. I can't even fantasize about someone dying and then being subjected to some geographic location deep in the bowels of Earth in a nether world of fire and Satan being tormented for billions if not trillions of years. Somehow, I think the idea of torturing someone for eternity to be rather extreme and sadistic even for a murderer.

Even for Hitler?

235 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:45:51pm

re: #233 Capitalist Tool

I have cable- all the channels available in this fair city- nothing to watch, so here I am.
Sort of.

how do you think I feel?!?!?

I have access to hundreds of satellites from all over the Western Hemi as well as Europe, the Middle East and half of Africa !!!

236 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:46:27pm

re: #235 sattv4u2

how do you think I feel?!?!?

I have access to hundreds of satellites from all over the Western Hemi as well as Europe, the Middle East and half of Africa !!!

Just crash 'em together!
Fireworks!
/

237 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:46:57pm

re: #233 Capitalist Tool

re: #235 sattv4u2

how do you think I feel?!?!?

I have access to hundreds of satellites from all over the Western Hemi as well as Europe, the Middle East and half of Africa !!!

AND ,, I can tie into our facility in California and get most of the Pacific Rim!

238 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:47:00pm

re: #235 sattv4u2

Bro!

239 Linden Arden  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:47:06pm

re: #232 Varek Raith

One should have the right to interview neighbors.

Ours young daughter 10-11 kept sneaking over to watch 'The Simpsons' with me because her parents banned the program at home.

Real ordeal after a while.

240 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:48:19pm

re: #239 Linden Arden

One should have the right to interview neighbors.

Ours young daughter 10-11 kept sneaking over to watch 'The Simpsons' with me because her parents banned the program at home.

Real ordeal after a while.

Beavis and Butthead- I could see that ban.

241 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:48:41pm

re: #239 Linden Arden

One should have the right to interview neighbors.

Ours young daughter 10-11 kept sneaking over to watch 'The Simpsons' with me because her parents banned the program at home.

Real ordeal after a while.

Sorry, but if I knew the parents of a minor forbade them from watching a show they wouldn't be allowed to watch it in my house either, regardless of how silly I thought the ban was

242 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:49:00pm

re: #239 Linden Arden

One should have the right to interview neighbors.

Ours young daughter 10-11 kept sneaking over to watch 'The Simpsons' with me because her parents banned the program at home.

Real ordeal after a while.

After this last winter, in which we had two storms dump 2 feet of snow, I shoveled her sidewalk and drive without telling her. She didn't need to shovel that crap.
Of course, she didn't appreciate it one bit.
Ah well.

243 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:49:37pm

re: #236 Varek Raith

Just crash 'em together!
Fireworks!
/

The big-wigs tend to frown on us when we do that!

244 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:49:58pm

re: #243 sattv4u2

The big-wigs tend to frown on us when we do that!

Crash the sats into them!
/

245 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:50:09pm

And on that note, the long quiet ride home awaits

246 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:50:27pm

re: #242 Varek Raith

No good deed goes unpunished.

247 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:50:44pm

re: #246 Capitalist Tool

No good deed goes unpunished.

Indeed.

248 webevintage  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:50:47pm

re: #241 sattv4u2

Sorry, but if I knew the parents of a minor forbade them from watching a show they wouldn't be allowed to watch it in my house either, regardless of how silly I thought the ban was

That's what cool aunts are for....
My sister is a nut with her rules and discipline so my nephew loved to come visit us for just a bit of freedom once a year.
He's old enough to make his own decisions now.

249 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:50:51pm

re: #244 Varek Raith

Crash the sats into them!
/

Good plan ,, cept they are in the same building as I am!

250 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:51:13pm

re: #215 sattv4u2

There is no escape.

The atheistic view of this monster is that he is now dead, hence it is over, correct?

I was making a comment about THAT

I am NOT denigrating atheists. I am not stating that one view is better than another. I made a declarative statement

Well, it's not over till everyone has healed from the harm done. As an atheist, I recognize the ripple effects. I am human, despite my disbelief in the supernatural, after all.

251 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:51:40pm

re: #234 NJDhockeyfan

Even for Hitler?

Yes. The concept of eternity is infinity. It goes beyond billions of years. These numbers are beyond the grasp of human beings even in terms of the age of Earth. The theory would be that one keeps a human alive in a conscious state and during that time they are subjected to pain equal to that of a 3rd degree burns for an infinite amount of time. I find the ideal rather ghastly. I suppose if I were to apply math to the concept and Hitler then 600 million years would suffice.

252 cliffster  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:53:23pm

re: #231 NJDhockeyfan

Fair enough. The death penalty isn't in every state. It is in my state where we gave the needle to a woman. I believe Texas is the only state who out does us on carrying out executions.

We raise up our glasses against evil forces
singing, "Whiskey for our men, beer for our horses"

253 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:54:03pm

re: #251 Gus 802

How about the Khan? Alexander the Great? Thorfinn the Raven Feeder?

254 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:54:48pm

re: #225 Varek Raith

Indeed.
Though, I think the part of hell you and I are going to has cable.

And if it's the Christian Hell, we'll get to meet folk like Ghandi, Lenny Bruce, Thomas Jefferson, F. Nietzsche, Albert Camus, Peter Sellers, etc.

255 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:55:34pm

re: #253 Capitalist Tool

How about the Khan? Alexander the Great? Thorfinn the Raven Feeder?

Darth Vader!

256 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:55:42pm

re: #254 eclectic infidel

And if it's the Christian Hell, we'll get to meet folk like Ghandi, Lenny Bruce, Thomas Jefferson, F. Nietzsche, Albert Camus, Peter Sellers, etc.


Can we bring our coon dogs?

257 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:55:53pm

re: #254 eclectic infidel

And if it's the Christian Hell, we'll get to meet folk like Ghandi, Lenny Bruce, Thomas Jefferson, F. Nietzsche, Albert Camus, Peter Sellers, etc.

Lenny Bruce in Christian hell?

258 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:55:57pm

re: #255 NJDhockeyfan

Darth Vader!

Sorry, deathbed conversion.
/

259 Kruk  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:56:54pm

re: #212 NJDhockeyfan

I'm not. Murderers earn the needle when they commit their crimes. Please tell me why these two cretans deserve to live a long life...

The problem I have with the death penalty is not philosopical, but that it's applied in a system that's prone to both errror and racial bias. The Innocence Project has so far exonerated over 250 people who were wrongly convicted of serious crimes such as murder and rape. That's not cases where new trials were granted with the same result, charges plead down, sentence commuted to time served etc, but actual exonerations. I close to half of those cases, another person was able to be identified as the offender. Those cases are also no where near the total of wrongfull convictions (they're limited to the types of crimes where DNA is able to exclude someone, where the the evidence has not been destroyed, and where the person has not already exhauasted all their avenues for appeal, As Justice Scalia said, "actual innocence" isn't a reason for getting a new trial.)

[Link: www.innocenceproject.org...]

Of those wrongfull convictions, 152 were African American, almost 60%. That's bad enough, but on a per capita basis, that means a black person is 12 times as likely to be wrongly convicted.

That bears repeating. 12 fricking times as likely to be wrongly convicted. As long as the "justice" system has those kinds of error rates in it, it has no business deciding who should live and who should die.

260 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:57:28pm

re: #257 Gus 802

Lenny Bruce in Christian hell?

Well, according to the loving Fundamentalist Christians, it's Jesus or Bust.

261 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:59:11pm

re: #260 eclectic infidel

Well, according to the loving Fundamentalist Christians, it's Jesus or Bust.

Ah, OK. Was wondering because Lenny Bruce was Jewish.

262 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 6:59:54pm

re: #260 eclectic infidel

Well, according to the loving Fundamentalist Christians, it's Jesus or Bust.

I'll take a bust. Mind you, nothing so grand as Dolly Parton...

263 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:01:05pm

re: #261 Gus 802

Ah, OK. Was wondering because Lenny Bruce was Jewish.

Didja know that Peter Sellers, though an English citizen, was also Jewish?

264 webevintage  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:01:26pm

I love Rachel Maddow.
Right now she is running tape of Republicans who whined about how much the stimulus sucked and how it would/did not work who then turned around and asked for stimulus money because it would...you know it..."create jobs" in their districts or states.

yeah and Dems are working on not winning in Nov.

Can't wait to see what Christine O'Donnell tape Bill shows tonight.....

265 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:01:45pm

Lenny Bruce

Youtube Video
266 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:02:12pm

re: #264 webevintage

which Bill?

267 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:04:41pm

Night everyone!

268 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:06:11pm

Who had the worst week in Washington? Jimmy Carter.

Former presidents, like ex-girlfriends and ex-boyfriends, tend to benefit from the rose-tinted glasses of our collective memory.

The further removed a president is from the Oval Office, the more the public remembers the good times they had together and forgets about the disagreements. And ex-presidents, freed from the burdens of handling the world's problems, tend to pursue feel-good humanitarian work once they leave Washington -- a career choice that virtually ensures higher approval ratings.

It's happened to Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan and nearly every other modern president. Heck, even George W. Bush is starting to be viewed more positively these days.

Jimmy Carter, the peanut farmer from Georgia, was perhaps the prototypical example of this phenomenon -- never popular during his single term in office but beloved as a diplomat and habitat-builder once out of it. Until last week, that is.

Heh.

269 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:07:02pm

re: #267 Varek Raith

Night everyone!

Youtube Video
270 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:07:45pm

It's amazing when you think about the freedom of speech that we enjoy today when we look back at what happened with people like Lenny Bruce in the 50s and 60s.

271 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:08:57pm

re: #270 Gus 802

It's amazing when you think about the freedom of speech that we enjoy today when we look back at what happened with people like Lenny Bruce in the 50s and 60s.

He was banned outright from several U.S. cities, and in 1962 was banned from performing in Sydney, Australia. At his first show there Bruce took the stage, declared "What a fucking wonderful audience" and was promptly arrested.

272 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:09:26pm

re: #242 Varek Raith

After this last winter, in which we had two storms dump 2 feet of snow, I shoveled her sidewalk and drive without telling her. She didn't need to shovel that crap.
Of course, she didn't appreciate it one bit.
Ah well.

Thats an old grumpy neighbor.

273 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:11:17pm

Hey reptilians of a different flavour.

Anybody know who runs The Daily Conservative blog?

http:// thedaily conservative. net/

They have a poll titled "Are Blacks equal to Whites?"

274 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:11:42pm

re: #270 Gus 802

It's amazing when you think about the freedom of speech that we enjoy today when we look back at what happened with people like Lenny Bruce in the 50s and 60s.

Yes. On a similar note, I just watched Milk and it was disturbing to watch scenes where cops would bust into a bar and start bashing gays, literally.

Back to Lenny Bruce though, I remember reading one such raid on Bruce's appearances in NYC. The cops would march in,shut down the show, and demand folk in the audience produce IDs. At one such raid, apparently one audience member refused to produce ID. Turns out that person was no other than George Carlin.

275 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:13:33pm

re: #254 eclectic infidel

And if it's the Christian Hell, we'll get to meet folk like Ghandi, Lenny Bruce, Thomas Jefferson, F. Nietzsche, Albert Camus, Peter Sellers, etc.

See, that keeps my one toe into believing.

276 Kruk  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:13:39pm

re: #273 b_sharp

Hey reptilians of a different flavour.

Anybody know who runs The Daily Conservative blog?

http:// thedaily conservative. net/

They have a poll titled "Are Blacks equal to Whites?"

Something tells me they're not debating whether Blacks have reached political, social and economic parity with Whites....

277 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:13:59pm

FBI raids homes of several Twin Cities war protesters

The homes of five Twin Cities activists, including three prominent leaders of the Twin Cities antiwar movement, were raided Friday by the FBI in what an agency spokesman described as an "investigation into activities concerning the material support of terrorism." The office of an antiwar organization also was reportedly raided.

An FBI spokesman Steve Warfield confirmed that warrants were issued on six Minneapolis addresses this morning.

...In the search warrant on Kelly's apartment, Dooley said, "It appears they are looking into any connections, travel, etc., to Palestine and Colombia, also around the United States," he said. He said that in Kelly's case, the warrant mentions a political organization called Freedom Road Socialist Organization.

Dooley said, "They are looking at any connection between him and 'FTO's,' foreign terrorist organizations, including but not limited to FARC, PFLP and Hezbollah," and any support, contact or association with those groups. FARC is a revolutionary peasant organization in Columbia, and PFLP is the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Hezoballah is a political and paramilitary organization based in Lebanon.

278 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:15:03pm

re: #273 b_sharp

Hey reptilians of a different flavour.

Anybody know who runs The Daily Conservative blog?

http:// thedaily conservative. net/

They have a poll titled "Are Blacks equal to Whites?"

From the blog...

Polls
Are Blacks Equal to Whites?

* Yes (92%, 6,593 Votes)
* No (6%, 445 Votes)
* Unsure (2%, 128 Votes)

Total Voters: 7,166

279 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:15:04pm

re: #274 eclectic infidel

Yes. On a similar note, I just watched Milk and it was disturbing to watch scenes where cops would bust into a bar and start bashing gays, literally.

Back to Lenny Bruce though, I remember reading one such raid on Bruce's appearances in NYC. The cops would march in,shut down the show, and demand folk in the audience produce IDs. At one such raid, apparently one audience member refused to produce ID. Turns out that person was no other than George Carlin.

Could you imagine being transported back in time to such an environment? The old movies where they showed cops screaming halt or I'll shoot really did happen. Gay sex crimes were easy busts for cops.

280 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:16:07pm

re: #276 Kruk

Something tells me they're not debating whether Blacks have reached political, social and economic parity with Whites...

They're claiming blacks have unfair cultural advantage over white tea partiers.

I love it when the dominant sub-species plays the victim.

281 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:16:14pm

re: #273 b_sharp

Hey reptilians of a different flavour.

Anybody know who runs The Daily Conservative blog?

http:// thedaily conservative. net/

They have a poll titled "Are Blacks equal to Whites?"

[Link: who.godaddy.com...]

282 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:17:03pm

re: #278 eclectic infidel

From the blog...

Polls
Are Blacks Equal to Whites?

* Yes (92%, 6,593 Votes)
* No (6%, 445 Votes)
* Unsure (2%, 128 Votes)

Total Voters: 7,166

The poll was Pharyngulated so the numbers are unrepresentative of the readers.

283 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:17:23pm

re: #281 Gus 802

[Link: who.godaddy.com...]

Looks like BS registry information.

284 austin_blue  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:18:31pm

Welcome to my world! Here in Rick Perry's Texas, these are *elected officials* who run the Board.

Is Teh Stupid that pervasive here? Let's put it this way: many, many State Legislators refer to my town as the People's Republic of Travis County.

Hah ha! Yes, we are seditious pinko queers because we believe in equal protection under the law and the separation of church and state. Bad Austinites! No soup for you!

(But we outsmarted them. We make our own: [Link: www.souppeddler.com...]

285 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:18:37pm

I made the bottom 10, not once but twice!! Woot!!
Evening Honcos.

286 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:19:34pm

re: #284 austin_blue

Link no good - redo

287 Kruk  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:19:42pm

re: #280 b_sharp

They're claiming blacks have unfair cultural advantage over white tea partiers.

I love it when the dominant sub-species plays the victim.

Heh. Cultural advantage? Read "The minorities are in charge! We're dooooooomed!!111111!!!!"

288 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:20:42pm

re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar

I made the bottom 10, not once but twice!! Woot!!
Evening Honcos.

Evening!

Cannadian Club Akbar (-18)
re: #62 bratwurst Franken is a douche. Down ding at will.

Nice. :)

289 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:20:51pm

re: #279 Gus 802

Could you imagine being transported back in time to such an environment? The old movies where they showed cops screaming halt or I'll shoot really did happen. Gay sex crimes were easy busts for cops.

No, I couldn't imagine it. I wouldn't want to do so. That was a time when liberty was dependent on one's gender, skin color, and orientation. And yet today, my gf finds herself being pulled over by cops just because she's (and please pardon the phrase, but it rings true) "driving while black," in the SF Bay Area. It's fucked up.

290 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:21:57pm

re: #287 Kruk

Heh. Cultural advantage? Read "The minorities are in charge! We're dooomed!!111111!!!"

I was exercising my famous penchant for understatement.

291 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:22:27pm

re: #288 NJDhockeyfan

They hurt me feelings. Really.
/snort

292 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:22:45pm

re: #282 b_sharp

*nods*

I suppose you read the blog post too? Gets me angry. All this BS about "white America." Well, I'm one American who won't stand for this ***t.

293 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:23:12pm

Surprises me the Texas school board could find any texts old or new that had any reference to Islam. I went to elementary in LA and Junior High in NM. Neither state had ANY mention of Islam in any of my books. In fact, when I read Ali Babba and the 40 Thieves, I had to get it from the Post Library. My school didn't have it. I don't remember reading anything about Christianity either though. They briefly covered Rome, Greece and their gods as mythology. But the Jewish history was covered as...it was there, then it was destroyed...next.

294 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:23:16pm

re: #280 b_sharp

They're claiming blacks have unfair cultural advantage over white tea partiers.

I love it when the dominant sub-species plays the victim.

It's their new theme. See attacks on the Justice Dept.

No problem when they fired all the Attys who didn't toe the line, no problem when all the Liberty University grads infiltrated, no problem when torture was deemed as legal. But black vs white issues? Huge problem once Eric Holder became Atty General.

gah

295 austin_blue  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:23:18pm

Oops! Damned ellipsis...

re: #284 austin_blue

Welcome to my world! Here in Rick Perry's Texas, these are *elected officials* who run the Board.

Is Teh Stupid that pervasive here? Let's put it this way: many, many State Legislators refer to my town as the People's Republic of Travis County.

Hah ha! Yes, we are seditious pinko queers because we believe in equal protection under the law and the separation of church and state. Bad Austinites! No soup for you!

(But we outsmarted them. We make our own: [Link: www.souppeddler.com...]

296 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:23:34pm

re: #282 b_sharp

The poll was Pharyngulated so the numbers are unrepresentative of the readers.

Is that kinda like a Paul Poll?

297 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:24:40pm

re: #289 eclectic infidel

No, I couldn't imagine it. I wouldn't want to do so. That was a time when liberty was dependent on one's gender, skin color, and orientation. And yet today, my gf finds herself being pulled over by cops just because she's (and please pardon the phrase, but it rings true) "driving while black," in the SF Bay Area. It's fucked up.

My wife gets stares because, being an aboriginal, I guess she's supposed to be drunk.

We still get dirty looks when we walk together.

298 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:26:13pm

re: #297 b_sharp

I hate to upding shitty experiences. It's a concur upding.

299 austin_blue  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:27:46pm

Dammit!

[Link: www.souppeddler.com...]

There, go check out the '04's David Ansel. She Who Must Be Obeyed and I were original customers. Buy the book. We're in it, and the recipe for Zimbabwe Peanut Stew is worth the price of purchase.

300 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:28:12pm

Colo. Man Says He Thought Officer Was A Zombie

BOULDER, Colo. (AP) ― A man accused of shooting at a Longmont police officer trying to arrest him says he did so because he thought he was being chased by a zombie.

Twenty-two-year-old Brandon Duke was in court Friday and pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity to the charge of attempted first-degree murder and other charges. Authorities say an officer ran after Duke and was trying to arrest him on an outstanding warrant in May.

The Longmont Times Call reports that Duke told investigators he thought the officer was a zombie and he shot at him because he was trying to protect himself. The officer shot Duke, striking him in the torso and arm.

Duke will undergo a mental health evaluation and is scheduled in court again Dec. 3.

301 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:28:19pm

re: #292 eclectic infidel

*nods*

I suppose you read the blog post too? Gets me angry. All this BS about "white America." Well, I'm one American who won't stand for this ***t.

The author of that screed sounds like an intellectual pussy.

302 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:29:43pm

re: #300 NJDhockeyfan

Colo. Man Says He Thought Officer Was A Zombie

Dude, put down the controller and back away slowly. Guess that's what happens when you spend all day in front of the Game Cube.

303 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:31:52pm

re: #296 Capitalist Tool

Is that kinda like a Paul Poll?

PZ Myers is a biologist who runs the blog Pharyngula. To prove online polls are worthless he sends his minions out to skew the poll.

304 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:31:56pm

re: #300 NJDhockeyfan

Colo. Man Says He Thought Officer Was A Zombie

Mugshot:

[Link: www.dailycamera.com...]

What's this punk doing carrying a concealed weapon? Some dirt bag.

Brandon Duke, 22, is also charged with first-degree assault, menacing, possession of a weapon by a previous offender, carrying a concealed weapon, resisting arrest, obstructing a peace officer and reckless endangerment.

Boulder Daily Camera [Link: www.dailycamera.com...]

305 austin_blue  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:31:58pm

re: #300 NJDhockeyfan

Colo. Man Says He Thought Officer Was A Zombie

Man, Angel Dust is a bitch, innit?

306 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:32:11pm

re: #297 b_sharp

My wife gets stares because, being an aboriginal, I guess she's supposed to be drunk.

We still get dirty looks when we walk together.

Yeah. We those sort of looks too. Fuck 'em.

307 Kruk  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:32:53pm

re: #302 Escaped Hillbilly

Dude, put down the controller and back away slowly. Guess that's what happens when you spend all day in front of the Game Cube.

*Hides his full Buffy and Angel collections and walks away whistling innocently*

308 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:33:50pm

re: #306 eclectic infidel

Yeah. We those sort of looks too. Fuck 'em.

We get those sort of looks too. pimp

309 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:34:01pm

re: #305 austin_blue

Man, Angel Dust is a bitch, innit?

Meth, the new Angel Dust.

310 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:34:06pm

re: #298 Stanley Sea

I hate to upding shitty experiences. It's a concur upding.

I understand.

My wife has a bucket full of bad experiences.

311 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:34:22pm

re: #308 eclectic infidel

We get those sort of looks too. pimp

Okay lizards, this is fatigue talking I think. PIMF. Silly me.

312 Digital Display  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:35:10pm

re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar

I made the bottom 10, not once but twice!! Woot!!
Evening Honcos.

Hey you!
I'm still steaming about Microsoft security..Just got hit by another serious bug today..You know..If I didn't care about the respect for Charles's Site..I would take on Microsoft on this global blog right now...I am fuming..And anybody from MS that wants to defend the CE codebase just pipe up now...Cause you dipsh*ts wouldn't know persistence in Certs if it kicked you in the B*lls...
Sorry Charles..Let's just pray some engineer from Microsoft replies to this post.. I'll be nice..I promise! LOL

313 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:35:12pm

re: #309 Stanley Sea

Meth, the new Angel Dust.

Meth is a horrible, horrible drug. God, I hate it.

314 KronoGhazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:35:20pm

OK ready to get my Honco on. Coffee, check. Pandora on, check. Work to do, check I guess. Lagavulin, check.

315 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:36:26pm

re: #306 eclectic infidel

Yeah. We those sort of looks too. Fuck 'em.

When we were first married I used to get in their faces but the wife asked me not to do that anymore, so I don't.

316 Donna Ballard  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:36:40pm

Hi Kids! I see everyone is playing nice tonight. Whats the matter, everyone feeling mellow due to Friday Night Syndrome? I wish those B.W.'s in T.B.O.E. Would take a hint about how to get along. Ha! Seriously, how's it going y'all?

317 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:36:43pm

re: #312 HoosierHoops

Give them hell, brother.

318 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:37:30pm

re: #316 Dragon_Lady

Long see, no time!! Hola Lady!!

319 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:37:49pm

re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar

I made the bottom 10, not once but twice!! Woot!!
Evening Honcos.

Pity Ding.

320 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:38:12pm

re: #315 b_sharp

When we were first married I used to get in their faces but the wife asked me not to do that anymore, so I don't.

Women are the true peace makers I think. My gf tells me to pay them no attention.

321 freetoken  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:39:07pm

The 2010 election is on, already:


Early Voting Begins In Iowa

With the start of Iowa's early voting period, the 2010 election has officially begun in the state.

Iowans are allowed to request absentee ballots and cast them between Sept. 23 and Nov. 1. According to figures released on Friday, more than 69,000 absentee ballots have been requested so far.

[...]

Elections are becoming like Christmas... they seem to come earlier every year.

322 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:39:30pm

re: #319 Decatur Deb

Pity Ding.

Doesn't hurt my feelings.:)

323 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:39:39pm

re: #312 HoosierHoops

Hey you!
I'm still steaming about Microsoft security..Just got hit by another serious bug today..You know..If I didn't care about the respect for Charles's Site..I would take on Microsoft on this global blog right now...I am fuming..And anybody from MS that wants to defend the CE codebase just pipe up now...Cause you dipsh*ts wouldn't know persistence in Certs if it kicked you in the B*lls...
Sorry Charles..Let's just pray some engineer from Microsoft replies to this post.. I'll be nice..I promise! LOL

You weinie. Only weak-kneed cry babies whine about getting bugs while using Windoze. Suck it up. It'll make you tuff.

//

324 Donna Ballard  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:40:54pm

re: #318 Cannadian Club Akbar

Long see, no time!! Hola Lady!!

Hi C.C.A.! How is going? I bin a busy lady these days, got a part time job doing Interior Plant Maintenance. Between that and working out at they gym, house work and entertaining the four footed fur-balls I don't have much time to play on line these days.

325 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:42:15pm

re: #205 webevintage

I notice that they are the only ones who ever mention Saul Alinksky...

No one else cares. They consider him the devil, and he's a forgotten man to the rest of the world.

326 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:42:32pm

re: #320 eclectic infidel

Women are the true peace makers I think. My gf tells me to pay them no attention.

Yah. They have a better grasp of the cost/benefit ratio than our testicles do.

327 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:44:05pm

re: #320 eclectic infidel

Women are the true peace makers I think. My gf tells me to pay them no attention.

Did you guys ever consider those stares were just jealousy? Maybe you should make your wives wear something to cover their faces so those men won't be tempted.//

328 palomino  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:44:47pm

I'll never understand how some American Christians can feel like a persecuted minority in their own country.

It's like the "white fright" Christopher Hitchens wrote about recently--many American whites see themselves more and more as a minority group (even though whites still comprise 65% of the overall population). But that paranoia at least makes a little bit of sense because whites are moving towards minority status.

Christianity, on the other hand, is still the religion of nearly 80% of Americans; and more importantly, that's not likely to change. The ethnic groups growing relative to whites are also predominantly Christian--Hispanics, blacks, some Asians. There is no real possibility that anything will come close to replacing Christianity as the unofficial national religion.

329 austin_blue  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:44:49pm

re: #312 HoosierHoops

Hey you!
I'm still steaming about Microsoft security..Just got hit by another serious bug today..You know..If I didn't care about the respect for Charles's Site..I would take on Microsoft on this global blog right now...I am fuming..And anybody from MS that wants to defend the CE codebase just pipe up now...Cause you dipsh*ts wouldn't know persistence in Certs if it kicked you in the B*lls...
Sorry Charles..Let's just pray some engineer from Microsoft replies to this post.. I'll be nice..I promise! LOL

Get a used Mac Mini with the old RISC chips for your internet cruisers. Bulletproof.

330 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:45:05pm

re: #324 Dragon_Lady

Suggest herbs for your clients. Gives you more to do and they will be happy.

331 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:46:30pm

re: #327 Escaped Hillbilly

Did you guys ever consider those stares were just jealousy? Maybe you should make your wives wear something to cover their faces so those men won't be tempted.//

Outstanding!! Ding!!

332 Donna Ballard  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:47:47pm

re: #312 HoosierHoops

Hey you!
I'm still steaming about Microsoft security..Just got hit by another serious bug today..You know..If I didn't care about the respect for Charles's Site..I would take on Microsoft on this global blog right now...I am fuming..And anybody from MS that wants to defend the CE codebase just pipe up now...Cause you dipsh*ts wouldn't know persistence in Certs if it kicked you in the B*lls...
Sorry Charles..Let's just pray some engineer from Microsoft replies to this post.. I'll be nice..I promise! LOL

Poor Hoops, I get your frustration! I got an i pod from RWC for Xmas last year and Apple is always sending out upgrades to the program. I got an upgrade a week ago that wiped out my entire contacts list, over 90 contacts gone! pffft! I'm still so po'd over it! There were names and numbers in there that are gone for ever and now I can't contact the ones I really need. Grrrrr!

333 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:47:57pm

re: #328 palomino

I'll never understand how some American Christians can feel like a persecuted minority in their own country.

It's like the "white fright" Christopher Hitchens wrote about recently--many American whites see themselves more and more as a minority group (even though whites still comprise 65% of the overall population). But that paranoia at least makes a little bit of sense because whites are moving towards minority status.

Christianity, on the other hand, is still the religion of nearly 80% of Americans; and more importantly, that's not likely to change. The ethnic groups growing relative to whites are also predominantly Christian--Hispanics, blacks, some Asians. There is no real possibility that anything will come close to replacing Christianity as the unofficial national religion.

I live in the bible belt of Virginia. I've been here 20 years. I have never heard one Christian say they felt like a persecuted minority. Where is that happening?

334 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:48:06pm

I keep forgetting the time until I wake up with QWERTY on my forehead and drool on the keys. I gotta go to sleep. See ya tomorrow all.

335 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:48:21pm

re: #276 Kruk

Something tells me they're not debating whether Blacks have reached political, social and economic parity with Whites...

It's pretty ugly.

336 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:48:26pm

re: #328 palomino

I'll never understand how some American Christians can feel like a persecuted minority in their own country.

It's like the "white fright" Christopher Hitchens wrote about recently--many American whites see themselves more and more as a minority group (even though whites still comprise 65% of the overall population). But that paranoia at least makes a little bit of sense because whites are moving towards minority status.

Christianity, on the other hand, is still the religion of nearly 80% of Americans; and more importantly, that's not likely to change. The ethnic groups growing relative to whites are also predominantly Christian--Hispanics, blacks, some Asians. There is no real possibility that anything will come close to replacing Christianity as the unofficial national religion.

It's not just the relative numbers you have to consider, it's the power balance that matters. White males hold a considerable majority of the power. They also hold the majority of the money.

Even if whites (whatever that means) were a minority, the financial, political and even social power they hold would overshadow all other ethnicities.

337 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:49:20pm

re: #328 palomino

I'll never understand how some American Christians can feel like a persecuted minority in their own country.

It's like the "white fright" Christopher Hitchens wrote about recently--many American whites see themselves more and more as a minority group (even though whites still comprise 65% of the overall population). But that paranoia at least makes a little bit of sense because whites are moving towards minority status.

Christianity, on the other hand, is still the religion of nearly 80% of Americans; and more importantly, that's not likely to change. The ethnic groups growing relative to whites are also predominantly Christian--Hispanics, blacks, some Asians. There is no real possibility that anything will come close to replacing Christianity as the unofficial national religion.

I see it as a defense mechanism. They see the shitty racists in their midsts and instead of calling them out they frame flip them selves to being the victims.

Problem is, they are loud and people are buying into their flip.

338 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:49:30pm

re: #329 austin_blue

Get a used Mac Mini with the old RISC chips for your internet cruisers. Bulletproof.

Why? Just use Linux.

339 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:50:03pm

re: #305 austin_blue

Man, Angel Dust is a bitch, innit?

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

340 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:50:40pm

re: #332 Dragon_Lady

Poor Hoops, I get your frustration! I got an i pod from RWC for Xmas last year and Apple is always sending out upgrades to the program. I got an upgrade a week ago that wiped out my entire contacts list, over 90 contacts gone! pffft! I'm still so po'd over it! There were names and numbers in there that are gone for ever and now I can't contact the ones I really need. Grrr!

Backup. Backup. Backup.

Drives are a dime a dozen.

341 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:51:12pm

This is the judge from today's USAF/Maj. Margaret Witt /DADT decision:

Ronald Bruce Leighton (born 1951) is a United States federal judge.

Born in Stockton, California, Leighton received a B.A. from Whitworth College in 1973 and a J.D. from the University of California, Hastings College of Law in 1976. He was in private practice in Tacoma, Washington from 1976 to 2002.

On January 23, 2002, Leighton was nominated by President George W. Bush to a seat on the United States District Court for the Western District of Washington vacated by Robert J. Bryan. Leighton was confirmed by the United States Senate on November 14, 2002, and received his commission on November 26, 2002.

Doesn't reverse DADT but he ordered her reinstated by the USAF.

Bush appointee! Splodey heads.

342 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:51:20pm

re: #333 NJDhockeyfan

I live in the bible belt of Virginia. I've been here 20 years. I have never heard one Christian say they felt like a persecuted minority. Where is that happening?

Have you never heard of the war on Christianity?

343 Donna Ballard  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:51:37pm

re: #330 Cannadian Club Akbar

Suggest herbs for your clients. Gives you more to do and they will be happy.

These are all indoor plants funny person! One of the plants is a giant bird of paradise. Dang that thing is huge! And covered with mealy bugs (nasty tiny white fuzzy things) too. Took me over an hour and a half to clean and spray the blasted thing, the leaves are over 3ft long. What a mess.

344 Digital Display  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:52:01pm

re: #323 b_sharp

You weinie. Only weak-kneed cry babies whine about getting bugs while using Windoze. Suck it up. It'll make you tuff.

//

I am fuming tonight after a long day fighting this.. I could write for hours about this issue..But I'll spare you guys..Unless an Engineer from Microsoft shows up..Then It's all about the knife fight from West Side Story...

345 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:52:08pm

re: #339 SanFranciscoZionist

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Dust is much worse. I lived with a coke dealer 20 years ago. And I don't mean an 8 ball here and there. I mean 9 ounces at a time.

346 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:53:00pm

re: #342 b_sharp

Have you never heard of the war on Christianity?

Only on the internet & TV. Never around here. I think it's overblown. Nobody really gives a shit.

347 Donna Ballard  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:53:00pm

re: #340 b_sharp

Backup. Backup. Backup.

Drives are a dime a dozen.

Did, did, did! The blasted upgrade wiped out my back up! as well as all the apps!

348 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:53:48pm

re: #339 SanFranciscoZionist

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Female human pheromones are a hell of a drug.

Oops. Did I say that out loud?

349 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:54:52pm

re: #344 HoosierHoops

I am fuming tonight after a long day fighting this.. I could write for hours about this issue..But I'll spare you guys..Unless an Engineer from Microsoft shows up..Then It's all about the knife fight from West Side Story...

What was its name?

350 Donna Ballard  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:55:09pm

re: #348 b_sharp

Female human pheromones are a hell of a drug.

Oops. Did I say that out loud?

LOL! Very good! Their especially potent when were PMSing! Sorry, TMI I know. ;)

351 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:55:25pm

re: #348 b_sharp

Female human pheromones are a hell of a drug.

Oops. Did I say that out loud?

Sorry, the answer we were looking for was "Boobs".
-Alex

352 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:55:38pm

re: #347 Dragon_Lady

Did, did, did! The blasted upgrade wiped out my back up! as well as all the apps!

NOOOooo!

353 palomino  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:56:25pm

re: #333 NJDhockeyfan

I live in the bible belt of Virginia. I've been here 20 years. I have never heard one Christian say they felt like a persecuted minority. Where is that happening?

You've never heard anyone complain about the (nonexistent) War on Christmas?

More to the point here, quoting Charles above, "The Republican creationists and fanatics on the board have decided it’s their job to defend Christianity..."

Defend Christianity from what? What threat is posed by any other religion (or non-religion) to Christianity?

354 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:56:38pm

Fun, fun, fun. I'm playing my ex-gf (from college) online for a game of scrabble via FB.

355 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:56:41pm

re: #351 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sorry, the answer we were looking for was "Boobs".
-Alex

Alec? Me stoopid. Not sure.

356 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:56:48pm

re: #345 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dust is much worse. I lived with a coke dealer 20 years ago. And I don't mean an 8 ball here and there. I mean 9 ounces at a time.

'Rick James' on the Dave Chappelle show says that a lot.

357 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:58:13pm

re: #353 palomino

You've never heard anyone complain about the (nonexistent) War on Christmas?

More to the point here, quoting Charles above, "The Republican creationists and fanatics on the board have decided it’s their job to defend Christianity..."

Defend Christianity from what? What threat is posed by any other religion (or non-religion) to Christianity?

It's under attack by Christianity.

358 Donna Ballard  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:58:15pm

re: #352 b_sharp

NOOOooo!

YESSS! Now I have to scrounge around and try to find those numbers again! Some were address of friends that I saw at the Steel Challenge and have to go to the match director to get it again! GRRR, APPLE UPGRADES!!!

359 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:58:22pm

re: #356 SanFranciscoZionist

'Rick James' on the Dave Chappelle show says that a lot.

I'm Rick James, bitch!!
/

360 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:58:36pm

re: #353 palomino

You've never heard anyone complain about the (nonexistent) War on Christmas?

More to the point here, quoting Charles above, "The Republican creationists and fanatics on the board have decided it’s their job to defend Christianity..."

Defend Christianity from what? What threat is posed by any other religion (or non-religion) to Christianity?

Nontroversy! Nobody really says shit like that. There are churches all over the place and not one person has mentioned a war on Christmas. You are being duped.

361 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:59:13pm

re: #350 Dragon_Lady

LOL! Very good! Their especially potent when were PMSing! Sorry, TMI I know. ;)

No sane man would get close enough to find out.

362 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:59:20pm

Margaret Witt. Major Margaret Witt, United State Air Force. Look at how happy she is after learning that a judge ordered her reinstated by the USAF. Looks at how happy and proud her parents are flanking her on the left and right. This is family values. This is America's values. She wants to serve as do thousands of others without fear.

Image: x610.jpg

Repeal DADT.

363 Donna Ballard  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:59:20pm

New thread! Going up! :)

364 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:00:02pm

re: #354 eclectic infidel

Fun, fun, fun. I'm playing my ex-gf (from college) online for a game of scrabble via FB.

I didn't know about scrabble on FB until I saw it on South Park. I am a proud non-member of FB.

365 palomino  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:00:36pm

re: #336 b_sharp

It's not just the relative numbers you have to consider, it's the power balance that matters. White males hold a considerable majority of the power. They also hold the majority of the money.

Even if whites (whatever that means) were a minority, the financial, political and even social power they hold would overshadow all other ethnicities.

The makeup of the gop totally refutes your assertion. White males make up about 32% of the overall population. But only 91% of the Republicans in Congress are white males.

Your use of class/race warfare makes me sick.
/

366 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:02:31pm

re: #360 NJDhockeyfan

Nontroversy! Nobody really says shit like that. There are churches all over the place and not one person has mentioned a war on Christmas. You are being duped.

Try listening to right-wing talk radio.

367 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:03:58pm

re: #365 palomino

The makeup of the gop totally refutes your assertion. White males make up about 32% of the overall population. But only 91% of the Republicans in Congress are white males.

Your use of class/race warfare makes me sick.
/

I stand refudiated.

368 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:04:25pm

re: #366 b_sharp

Try listening to right-wing talk radio.

Why? I can think for myself. Do you need talk radio to tell you how to think?

369 austin_blue  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:04:40pm

re: #341 Gus 802

This is the judge from today's USAF/Maj. Margaret Witt /DADT decision:

Doesn't reverse DADT but he ordered her reinstated by the USAF.

Bush appointee! Splodey heads.

Great post. Heard about this on NPR today and wondered "What is it about equal protection under the law that these people don't understand?"

Willful ignorance? Bigotry? For the life of me, I don't know.

370 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:04:47pm

re: #366 b_sharp

Try listening to right-wing talk radio.

I think it's a seasonal theme on O'Reilly. Will check if I can do it without a decon kit.

371 Donna Ballard  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:05:26pm

re: #361 b_sharp

No sane man would get close enough to find out.

Poor RWC, he got the brunt of it tonight. I always feel so bad when I do that. I finally relaxed after a shot of Anejo Tequila, but it was too late for poor, poor RWC, I'm afraid his feathers are rather singed. :(

372 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:05:48pm

re: #355 Cannadian Club Akbar

Alec? Me stoopid. Not sure.

Mongo like boobs.

373 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:06:48pm

re: #370 Decatur Deb

I think it's a seasonal theme on O'Reilly. Will check if I can do it without a decon kit.

This should be a Fox cache:

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

374 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:10:16pm

re: #368 NJDhockeyfan

Why? I can think for myself. Do you need talk radio to tell you how to think?

If you can't listen to talk radio without it preventing you from thinking for yourself, perhaps not listening is a good idea. I however, can listen to all sorts of radio, and TV too, and still think for myself.

Talk radio's hosts and callers give a cross-section view of the political landscape.

375 austin_blue  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:11:34pm

re: #368 NJDhockeyfan

Why? I can think for myself. Do you need talk radio to tell you how to think?

No, but you should get the facts and how long it has been going on. Like early in the 20th Century. Everything old is new again. Oh, and who do you think pushed the boycotts of various retailers? Secularists or churches?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

376 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:12:07pm

re: #371 Dragon_Lady

Poor RWC, he got the brunt of it tonight. I always feel so bad when I do that. I finally relaxed after a shot of Anejo Tequila, but it was too late for poor, poor RWC, I'm afraid his feathers are rather singed. :(

Tell the old guy to stiffen his resolve and take it like a man... run away...

377 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:13:04pm

re: #374 b_sharp

If you can't listen to talk radio without it preventing you from thinking for yourself, perhaps not listening is a good idea. I however, can listen to all sorts of radio, and TV too, and still think for myself.

Talk radio's hosts and callers give a cross-section view of the political landscape.

I know what talk radio is. I don't have time to listen to it. Between doing personal things and LGF, talk radio just isn't worth my time. Who do you listen to?

378 Gus  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:13:05pm

re: #369 austin_blue

Great post. Heard about this on NPR today and wondered "What is it about equal protection under the law that these people don't understand?"

Willful ignorance? Bigotry? For the life of me, I don't know.

Probably a combination or different variations. I imagine in some cases it might be simple ignorance based on pre-conceived notions about gays. Many of which are based on stereotypes. Then you to consider those with sexual fears. The idea of course is that they are there to serve just like everyone else and follow the UCMJ. One doesn't join the service to live a metropolitan gay life they join because they are interested in the military and otherwise respect the varied traditions of the military branches.

379 Donna Ballard  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:14:35pm

re: #376 b_sharp

Tell the old guy to stiffen his resolve and take it like a man... run away...

Actually he went to a meeting. Smart guy really, knows when to cut and run in order to lick his wounds...//

380 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:15:21pm

re: #360 NJDhockeyfan

Nontroversy! Nobody really says shit like that. There are churches all over the place and not one person has mentioned a war on Christmas. You are being duped.

The "war on Christmas" was Bill O'Reilly's schtick for awhile.

Bill's war didn't really seem to catch on 'round these parts either.

We decorate trees here for anything - Christmas, Mardi Gras, St. Pat's day, Easter . . .in one office, I saw a tree, half of it had Christmas ornaments, the other half was decorated with Hannukah ornaments.

381 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:16:48pm

re: #370 Decatur Deb

I think it's a seasonal theme on O'Reilly. Will check if I can do it without a decon kit.

But it took Toby Keith to make it an anthem.

382 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:17:00pm

re: #380 reine.de.tout

The "war on Christmas" was Bill O'Reilly's schtick for awhile.

Bill's war didn't really seem to catch on 'round these parts either.

We decorate trees here for anything - Christmas, Mardi Gras, St. Pat's day, Easter . . .in one office, I saw a tree, half of it had Christmas ornaments, the other half was decorated with Hannukah ornaments.

I've seen trees decorated with beer cans around here. :)

383 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:17:12pm

re: #377 NJDhockeyfan

I know what talk radio is. I don't have time to listen to it. Between doing personal things and LGF, talk radio just isn't worth my time. Who do you listen to?

Thank you.

I listen to John Gormley, Charles Adler and Roy Green.

For each of them, their most potent arguments, also their most common, all boil down to appeals to emotion.

384 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:17:37pm

re: #381 SanFranciscoZionist

But it took Toby Keith to make it an anthem.

Now, lay off Toby.
I like Toby.

385 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:18:33pm

re: #383 b_sharp

Thank you.

I listen to John Gormley, Charles Adler and Roy Green.

For each of them, their most potent arguments, also their most common, all boil down to appeals to emotion.

Shows you how much I pay attention to talk radio. I never heard of any of those people.

386 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:19:18pm

re: #382 NJDhockeyfan

I've seen trees decorated with beer cans around here. :)

*snort*

In our office, the person who loved decorating stuff for holidays was a Buddhist. But she could get into the Christmas spirit, no problem . . .

387 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:19:50pm

re: #384 reine.de.tout

Now, lay off Toby.
I like Toby.

He's awesome! He did the War on Christmas song for Colbert's Christmas Special.

388 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:20:04pm

re: #379 Dragon_Lady

Actually he went to a meeting. Smart guy really, knows when to cut and run in order to lick his wounds...//

Smart man.

Tell him that in the future post-menopause will become his best friend.

389 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:20:27pm

re: #388 b_sharp

Smart man.

Tell him that in the future post-menopause will become his best friend.

Yes, it will.

390 palomino  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:20:44pm

re: #360 NJDhockeyfan

Nontroversy! Nobody really says shit like that. There are churches all over the place and not one person has mentioned a war on Christmas. You are being duped.

First, that has nothing to do with the fundamentalists in TX. They ARE acting like Christianity is under attack and needs some sort of aggressive defense. From what?

Second, nobody says shit like "war on Christmas?" Except maybe Fox Radio host John Gibson (who wrote a bestseller entitled, oh, what was it called?, that's right "The War on Christmas")

Also, for the last few years, Bill O'Reilly has had a recurring segment called "War on Christmas", detailing the outrages of nativity scenes moved from one piece of property to another.

391 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:22:01pm

re: #385 NJDhockeyfan

Shows you how much I pay attention to talk radio. I never heard of any of those people.

Canada. The home of world class hockey.

392 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:28:39pm

re: #391 b_sharp

Canada. The home of world class hockey.

The best hockey team resides in Newark. Just thought you should know.

393 Donna Ballard  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:29:10pm

re: #389 reine.de.tout

Yes, it will.

Uhhh, at my age I'm already pre-men and it seems to be intensifying. Ooops. sorry too much info.

394 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:30:02pm

re: #392 NJDhockeyfan

The best hockey team resides in Newark. Just thought you should know.

The Devil you say!

How many players are Canadian, or the offspring of a Canadian?

395 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:31:36pm

re: #390 palomino

First, that has nothing to do with the fundamentalists in TX. They ARE acting like Christianity is under attack and needs some sort of aggressive defense. From what?

Second, nobody says shit like "war on Christmas?" Except maybe Fox Radio host John Gibson (who wrote a bestseller entitled, oh, what was it called?, that's right "The War on Christmas")

Also, for the last few years, Bill O'Reilly has had a recurring segment called "War on Christmas", detailing the outrages of nativity scenes moved from one piece of property to another.

That doesn't affect me here in Virginia. Just like I don't freak out about any stupid things Oberdouche says. Nontroversy as far as I'm concerned.

396 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:33:18pm

re: #394 b_sharp

The Devil you say!

How many players are Canadian, or the offspring of a Canadian?

Probably a lot. We also have a few Russians, Europeans, etc...NJD hockey is a world class team...literally!

397 b_snark  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:39:12pm

re: #396 NJDhockeyfan

Probably a lot. We also have a few Russians, Europeans, etc...NJD hockey is a world class team...literally!

Yes they are. About 51% of NHL players are Canadian. About 30% American and the rest are from all over the place.

398 palomino  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 9:09:52pm

re: #395 NJDhockeyfan

That doesn't affect me here in Virginia. Just like I don't freak out about any stupid things Oberdouche says. Nontroversy as far as I'm concerned.

Who's freaking out? Other than some Christians who think that Christianity in America is threatened by Muslims, who are only 2% of the population?

The thread is about the "texas taliban". They're obviously freaked out if they have to remove references to Islam from textbooks.

Olbermann and VA are beside the point.

399 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Sep 24, 2010 9:14:46pm

Goodnight fellow lizards. Be well.

400 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 25, 2010 6:09:49pm

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