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Don’t worry about people stealing an idea. If it’s original, you will have to ram it down their throats.
— Howard H. Aiken
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freetoken Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:22:33pm |
Don’t worry about people stealing an idea. If it’s original, you will have to ram it down their throats.
According to the GOP playbook, I guess this means that Obama's health care law initiative was an original idea?
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:28:20pm |
Raymond Lefèvre 1968
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:29:03pm |
Wow. Just spent the last couple hours recording Patrick Polk, my local blues guitar player. Maybe seven original songs. All played acoustic in my living room right in front of the Christmas tree. Quite an evening.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:31:19pm |
Well tonight was an night of experiments for me some of which worked and some of which... didn't. I'm going to bed, everyone make sure to remind me that I owe an apology to LVQ when he shows up again, I may be a idiotic a@@ hole who doesn't realize when he's kicking a guy in the ribs when he's down but at least I'll try and make up for my mistakes..
(so yeah.... ell me about dah rabbits George!)
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jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:33:57pm |
re: #4 jamesfirecat
Well tonight was an night of experiments for me some of which worked and some of which... didn't. I'm going to bed, everyone make sure to remind me that I owe an apology to LVQ when he shows up again, I may be a idiotic a@@ hole who doesn't realize when he's kicking a guy in the ribs when he's down but at least I'll try and make up for my mistakes..
(so yeah... ell me about dah rabbits George!)
tell me about the rabbits George!
And I realize that by posting this I've probably committed another painful faux pas by comparing myself to a character to a character who was honestly too stupid to realize what wrong he was doing as opposed to my own mental facilities which are adequate if I would ever bother to actually make full use of them....
In short, I'm out good night everybody...
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:34:07pm |
Creepy story of the night...
'Nazi princess' continues her father's work
The death of a former SS guard and issuing an arrest warrant for another one drew attention to, perhaps, the most unusual support group in the world. The organization is called Stille Hilfe, or "Silent Aid" and helps former punitive flee from justice. The group is headed by none other than Heinrich Himmler's daughter, 81-year-old Gudrun Burwitz.
According to various estimates, from 25 to 40 people are involved with Silent Aid. The organization truly lives up to its name and works silently, without attracting undue attention. Now, for example, the "supporters" are trying to avoid extradition to The Hague of 88-year Klaas Carel Faber, who the Netherlands authorities wanted to sentence to life imprisonment for involvement in the murder of 22 Jews and resistance fighters during the war.
Among the beneficiaries of Silent Aid was 89-year-old Samuel Koontz who passed away two weeks ago. The scale of his atrocities is far vaster: Kunz was accused of the involvement in the elimination of 433 thousand Jews in a Nazi concentration camp Belzec in occupied Poland.
The other day the members of the organization held another secret meeting in Munich, where the "supporters" have speculated on a strategy to assist the survived war criminals. Silent Aid is a completely legal organization that prefers not to get into a spotlight as it is not customary in Germany to publicly praise their "black sheep in the family" - Adolf Hitler or Nazism. However, the members of the organization are free to continue the work of their idol, and look for refuge for the few survived punishers.
The group has hundreds of anonymous supporters and not only in Germany, most of them are young neo-Nazis. They practically worship Gudrun Burwitz. This woman has devoted her entire life to the memory of her father. Himmler loved his daughter more than anyone in the world and called her his "little doll." The feeling was mutual, and Gudrun adored her father.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:37:29pm |
re: #6 NJDhockeyfan
I feel nausea. Resignation and nausea.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:37:41pm |
Percy Faith 1960
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:38:28pm |
re: #6 NJDhockeyfan
Creepy story of the night...
Turns out the rotten apple doesn't fall far from the poisonous tree.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:38:53pm |
re: #7 Rightwingconspirator
I feel nausea. Resignation and nausea.
Can you believe this group has been able to avoid being exposed all this time? WTF?
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:44:41pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:51:56pm |
I'm going to knock off for the night. Sleep well, all.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 11:10:26pm |
Me and my schnitzel I just made will hold down the fort then
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tnguitarist Tue, Dec 14, 2010 11:17:24pm |
Haven't been on much lately. What happened with LVQ?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 14, 2010 11:18:26pm |
re: #15 SpaceJesus
Me and my schnitzel I just made will hold down the fort then
You had to make a schnitzel?
I thought if you just pictured it in your head, one would appear.
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ozbloke Tue, Dec 14, 2010 11:20:19pm |
re: #15 SpaceJesus
Me and my schnitzel I just made will hold down the fort then
You callin me a schnitzel dude?
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deranged cat Tue, Dec 14, 2010 11:24:49pm |
Anybody seen this yet?
Kyl: Reid Disrespecting Christians By Suggesting Post-Christmas Senate Votes
Hey Senator Kyl: A LOT of people work between christmas and new years day, you f*cking idiot.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Dec 14, 2010 11:26:08pm |
I am sure happy that the ban on Reason.com has been lifted.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 11:31:55pm |
re: #17 reine.de.tout
I used up all my conjuring powers conjuring the potato salad recipe from my mom
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 14, 2010 11:34:42pm |
re: #19 deranged cat
Anybody seen this yet?
Kyl: Reid Disrespecting Christians By Suggesting Post-Christmas Senate VotesHey Senator Kyl: A LOT of people work between christmas and new years day, you f*cking idiot.
That guy can bite off his own dick, what an idiotic ass thing to say
"Holiest of holidays." This mindless chimp is less Christian than I am.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 14, 2010 11:35:33pm |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Dec 14, 2010 11:37:06pm |
re: #23 WindUpBird
I don't get it. o_o
I don't either. But hey, I like Moynihan getting pimped on LGF. He is a good read.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 14, 2010 11:40:58pm |
re: #24 000G
I don't either. But hey, I like Moynihan getting pimped on LGF. He is a good read.
I remember something of mine getting deleted because it was linking to an obvious psychotic truther/birther thing, but I was making fun of it :D
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Steve Tue, Dec 14, 2010 11:56:24pm |
You know you are in trouble when the voices in your head tell you to press one for english.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Dec 15, 2010 12:19:47am |
Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism faculty and officers tell President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder that “while we hold varying opinions of Wikileaks’ methods and decisions, we all believe that in publishing diplomatic cables Wikileaks is engaging in journalistic activity protected by the First Amendment” and that “as a historical matter, government overreaction to publication of leaked material in the press has always been more damaging to American democracy than the leaks themselves.”
[Link: www.poynter.org...]
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Dec 15, 2010 12:26:50am |
Glenn Greenwald @Salon.com: Attempts to prosecute WikiLeaks endanger press freedoms
Put simply, there is no intellectually coherent way to distinguish what WikiLeaks has done with these diplomatic cables with what newspapers around the world did in this case and what they do constantly: namely, receive and then publish classified information without authorization.
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AK-47% Wed, Dec 15, 2010 12:56:17am |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
Germany still has people who seek to rationalize Naziism, Russia still has Stalinists and America is full of unreconstructed racists. Go figure...
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Kragar Wed, Dec 15, 2010 12:57:31am |
re: #28 000G
Glenn Greenwald @Salon.com: Attempts to prosecute WikiLeaks endanger press freedoms
The question then becomes making the penalties for leaking so severe that no one will want to do so. Make extreme public examples of even the most minor of infractions so no one in their right mind would take the risk.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:12:44am |
re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The question then becomes making the penalties for leaking so severe that no one will want to do so. Make extreme public examples of even the most minor of infractions so no one in their right mind would take the risk.
The Espionage Act of 1917 already provides for the option of sentencing the death penalty to those convicted guilty.
I am not sure the USA needs another Rosenberg right now, though.
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:21:14am |
re: #20 000G
I am sure happy that the ban on Reason.com has been lifted.
Nope.
Reason Magazine is still on my List™.
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Kragar Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:21:29am |
re: #32 000G
The Espionage Act of 1917 already provides for the option of sentencing the death penalty to those convicted guilty.
I am not sure the USA needs another Rosenberg right now, though.
Loss of rank, pay, retirement benefits, jailtime and fines for civil, federal and military positions from local up to federal level employees, strictly enforced and with little leniency in sentencing for what might currently be a wrist-slap offense would be the way to go. Dry up as many sources as possible. Once people have a heightened sense of the problem, policing any incidents will be easier.
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:21:30am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:24:07am |
Monster Magnet, one of my favorite bands, Dave Wyndorf of Monster Magnet the cleverest guy ever to front a psychedelic rock band :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:33:37am |
re: #38 Varek Raith
I can dig that.
He has the best comic book references in his lyrics in the WORLD
I read a book today
It made me think of a life I led
It seemed so far away, but then I wouldn't call it dead
I see a name or two and the ghosts just start to roam
I had 'em locked away
It seems they've cut their own paroleNow face the music, son
Some people live to remember when
But you're no storage space
You've lived a dozen lives since then
So what would Modok do if his memory got too full?
He'd find a powersource and then he'd pick what plugs to pullI looked in the mirror and somebody blew up
I turned on my TV and somebody blew up
I learned how to lie well and somebody blew up
I learned how to live true and somebody blew up
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:34:29am |
re: #34 Varek Raith
Nope.
Reason Magazine is still on my List™.
Even though Charles used it as a source for this article of his yesterday?
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:35:51am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:36:07am |
re: #40 000G
Even though Charles used it as a source for this article of his yesterday?
fuck if I know dude, maybe we're all in the matrix
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:36:12am |
re: #40 000G
Even though Charles used it as a source for this article of his yesterday?
Yep, to be honest.
I just can't trust them.
They're kooky libertarians, imo.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:36:20am |
re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Loss of rank, pay, retirement benefits, jailtime and fines for civil, federal and military positions from local up to federal level employees, strictly enforced and with little leniency in sentencing for what might currently be a wrist-slap offense would be the way to go. Dry up as many sources as possible. Once people have a heightened sense of the problem, policing any incidents will be easier.
For some reason I don't think procedural harshness is the top priority in order to deter future leaks. I think procedural fairness is more important. Might give fewer people the idea that it could be justifiable to turn their backs on the institutions that once nurtured them.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:36:54am |
re: #41 Obdicut
What's your deal, man?
Reason is like 95% total crap, 5% decent articles.
I think he's miffed that his reason linked got banned yet there's one in the article? :D
Don't care, too busy drawing strange stuff
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:38:15am |
re: #45 WindUpBird
I think he's miffed that his reason linked got banned yet there's one in the article? :D
Don't care, too busy drawing strange stuff
Strange you say?
I've probably seen stranger!
:P
/
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:39:27am |
and listening to one of my favorite musicians ever talk about music
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:39:37am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:41:09am |
re: #41 Obdicut
What's your deal, man?
Reason is like 95% total crap, 5% decent articles.
When I linked to a decent article published by reason amidst the whole fallout over the New Yorker article on the Koch bros, that post of mine got deleted not because the article I linked to was crap but simply because, in Charles' own explanation, because of the "crap" elsewhere and at other times in the magazine (which I don't think is 95% and I don't think Charles would judge it to be that high, either -- I think figures that high may be reserved for Al-Jazeera).
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:42:00am |
re: #43 Varek Raith
Yep, to be honest.
I just can't trust them.
They're kooky libertarians, imo.
I don't "trust" any news outlets. I guess you and I are reading media very differently.
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:44:44am |
re: #50 000G
I don't "trust" any news outlets. I guess you and I are reading media very differently.
Huh?
Nevermind, it's too early for this.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:45:06am |
re: #51 Obdicut
And what's your point?
Guess. I am done with playing along with your salami tactic shtick of getting your partner in conversation to spell everything out for you.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:46:22am |
re: #53 000G
That's nice.
I'm really not sure why you're surprised that posters are given less leeway than the guy who runs the site. I mean, I can't really tell, but that seems to be what you're complaining about.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:47:01am |
re: #53 000G
By the way-- "Salami tactic shtick" is really, really hard to say.
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:47:21am |
re: #55 Obdicut
By the way-- "Salami tactic shtick" is really, really hard to say.
Say it 5 times fast!
GO!
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:50:06am |
re: #56 Varek Raith
I keep saying 'shalami' after the first time through.
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:50:11am |
re: #52 Varek Raith
Huh?
Nevermind, it's too early for this.
On second thought...
When I say "trust" I mean that if Reason or Al Jazeera(SP?) said something was true, I'd wait to see if a more reputable organization verified that, rather than just taking them on face value.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:52:12am |
re: #54 Obdicut
That's nice.
I'm really not sure why you're surprised that posters are given less leeway than the guy who runs the site. I mean, I can't really tell, but that seems to be what you're complaining about.
No, there are plenty of posters allowed to link to Reason. Michael Orion Powell's interview with Antonio Sosa even got an honorable mention on the front page by Charles.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:54:16am |
re: #59 000G
Stamp your feet harder, I think some magical mushrooms might sprout.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:54:54am |
re: #58 Varek Raith
On second thought...
When I say "trust" I mean that if Reason or Al Jazeera(SP?) said something was true, I'd wait to see if a more reputable organization verified that, rather than just taking them on face value.
Well, that's more like it then. So now that NY Magazine picked up the story about Shamir @ WikiLeaks, it's more credible, yes?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:55:40am |
re: #60 Obdicut
Stamp your feet harder, I think some magical mushrooms might sprout.
I take that piece of juvenile ridicule as you conceding defeat.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:56:56am |
Anyhow, I'm out. Got to do xmas shopping. Damn big families!
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 1:57:31am |
re: #62 000G
I take that piece of juvenile ridicule as you conceding defeat.
Defeat? Defeat in what, dude? You've made how many posts now about having your link deleted?
Did having that link deleted take money out of your pocket, or subject you to a penalty of some sort? How long do you plan on complaining about it? What would you like to happen?
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:03:26am |
May get one or two inches of snow overnight into tomorrow.
Let the chaos on the roads commence!
Also, will this wind never end?! It's -5 with the windchill.
:/
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:04:08am |
re: #65 Varek Raith
I had barely left my apartment for like a week before i visiting my grandma this weekend. When I stepped outside, it was like, "Oh, hi, winter, I didn't notice you there."
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Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:05:28am |
One way to lose an LGF account is to act like a belligerent jerk over the policies of the site, cop a big attitude, and abuse other users who call you on it.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:09:36am |
re: #67 Charles
I think people need an alternate version of LGF they can log into and post all the kvetching crap they can't hold back on.
Or they could just hold back on it, but apparently that's beyond a lot of people.
Oh well. Ninjas are still cool.
[Link: drmcninja.com...]
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:09:53am |
re: #66 Obdicut
I had barely left my apartment for like a week before i visiting my grandma this weekend. When I stepped outside, it was like, "Oh, hi, winter, I didn't notice you there."
Some of my coworkers made some "so much for global warming" comments this morning.
I just laughed.
Yep. It's cold. In winter. How unusual. Couldn't possibly be an Arctic air mass. Nope.
XD
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:11:50am |
re: #69 Varek Raith
Nothing advertises scientific ignorance better than confusing weather and climate. Except maybe a Family Research Council billboard.
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:13:27am |
re: #68 Obdicut
I think people need an alternate version of LGF they can log into and post all the kvetching crap they can't hold back on.
Or they could just hold back on it, but apparently that's beyond a lot of people.
Oh well. Ninjas are still cool.
[Link: drmcninja.com...]
I couldn't figure out what the beef was.
Was it just because s/he had a link deleted?
Sheesh.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:14:28am |
re: #71 Varek Raith
Yes. That was literally it. A link had been deleted, and some other people's links hadn't been deleted.
This was apparently a bridge too far.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:15:24am |
I swear, I'd like to use LGF as an employment test. Tell applicants to post here for a month, at least ten substantive posts a day.
Check in after a month-- did they get banned? If so, no way I'm hiring them. Lack of self-control.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:16:48am |
re: #52 Varek Raith
Huh?
Nevermind, it's too early for this.
or too late!
yes, i meant to open two beers at once, one is a belgian style, the other is an amber
THEY'RE USED FR DIFFERENT THINGS
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:17:06am |
re: #73 Obdicut
I swear, I'd like to use LGF as an employment test. Tell applicants to post here for a month, at least ten substantive posts a day.
Check in after a month-- did they get banned? If so, no way I'm hiring them. Lack of self-control.
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:17:59am |
re: #74 WindUpBird
Dude check out Dr. McNinja, which I posted above.
Also, check out this:
[Link: dresdencodak.com...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:18:01am |
man, I leave to go get beer and I miss all the excitement, yow
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:28:59am |
re: #68 Obdicut
A friend of mine made this webpage to amuse herself and her geek friends like me, she called it "The Practice Internet." basically the worst sort of web malfeasance anyone could hope to defile the web with, just all starfield backgrounds, rainbow rules, spinning mail gifs, poorly compressed looping 160x160 anime porn, marquee tags, purple text on a yellow background, monkey gifs cranking counters, under construction signs, random capitals and demands to sign a "guestbook" or join my "webring"
That's what the alt LGF would look like. That but a blog, and just full of wargasm guns and ammo oafs and indignant creationists and guys who got banned but dude it was because i'm telling the TRUTH and 9/11 truthers and just all the pollutants that infect Fox News comments and badly executed flamewars on Huff Po and crackpots from conspiracy sites arguing about the puffs of smoke and bulding 7 and we shot down our own plane and raw food diet and don't trust government water and crystal power and indigo children. ALL RIGHT THERE
And all of us could just go and watch. If you get banned here, you AUTOMATICALLY get a Bizarro LGF account. And it will never be removed. You're a member for life.
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freetoken Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:37:58am |
A comment I was writing about 000G's last Pages entry, but evidently I was too slow as the Page went down the rabbit hole:
Ok, so Michael C. Moynihan now sees that it is in his best interest to be critical of Beck.
But a year and a half ago it was a different story:
where we see Moynihan feeding Beck's paranoia about progressivism and the early 20th century.
Here he was a month earlier on Beck's show (along with Goldberg)
Moynihan found it worthwhile to exploit exposure on Beck's show. It's only because Beck has be so extremely religious in the last year and now is pushing the Nazi theme on a Jew (Soros, albeit a non-practitioner) that Moynihan has had to dump on Beck.
Moynihan is just another deluded libertarian living off the Koch teat, and sounds like the usual radical libertarian, like here last month on Napolitano's show:
Because Moynihan is anti religious/fundamentalism he bags on Islamicists, American SoCons, and the like.
I don't know why your [000G] previous Reason links were deleted. I do know that I have a low opinion of Reason magazine and their contributors because on so many issues they present the same "glibertarian" faux scholarship that masquerades as real understanding.
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steve Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:39:18am |
re: #70 Obdicut
Nothing advertises scientific ignorance better than confusing weather and climate. Except maybe a Family Research Council billboard.
I all honesty, what is your opinion of the difference between weather and climate?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:42:14am |
re: #76 Obdicut
I was already well aware of Dr McNinja :D This other thing is excellent! Have not seen it.
Here's my contribution, girl who does a sketchbook comic of her moving from ny to ann arbor. And she's a childrens book illustrator, so it's a good comic!
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:43:04am |
re: #80 steve
I all honesty, what is your opinion of the difference between weather and climate?
I don't know, which one's Cly and which one's Weather? They both look like chicks
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:44:46am |
re: #80 steve
I all honesty, what is your opinion of the difference between weather and climate?
... seriously?
Weather is short-term, local weather effects.
Climate is the long-term tendency of an area to have various weather effects.
[Link: www.nasa.gov...]
San Francisco has a foggy, temperate climate, even though one day the temperature may be unusually high, or unusually low.
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EdDantes Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:46:23am |
Climate is what you expect, weather is what you get.
-Anonymous
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AK-47% Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:48:04am |
re: #84 EdDantes
Those who don't know the difference between theory and fact cannot be expected to tell the difference between climate and weather.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:48:28am |
re: #81 WindUpBird
Neat. The Dresden Codak guy seems massively talented, to me.
Notice where he lives?
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steve Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:52:56am |
re: #83 Obdicut
No, I was just curious to see what your deffinition was and how you stated it.
Thanks for you reply.
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steve Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:55:33am |
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EdDantes Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:57:57am |
re: #85 ralphieboy
Those who don't know the difference between theory and fact cannot be expected to tell the difference between climate and weather.
My non-scientific distinction is that climate is ever changing, weather is constant.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 2:59:29am |
re: #89 EdDantes
Rather the reverse, right? The weather can change a lot during a single day.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:00:11am |
re: #86 Obdicut
Neat. The Dresden Codak guy seems massively talented, to me.
Notice where he lives?
NOT
SURPRISED AT ALL
I honestly had no idea the magnitude of people in this town that have drawing chops that make my balls shrink, not until I landed at our creator-first alt comic con: [Link: www.stumptowncomics.com...] basically to meet up with my friend and her sister, who was in town promoting a book she did. And I'm looking around and going WHERE DO YOU FUCKERS COME FROM?!?! So many portland artists, so many drop dead gorgeous books, ink hands to make you weep, just all this perfect virtuoso comic art. I swear it's like they all got the memo to come here. 'Come to portland. Cheapest joing on the coast. Draw comics. Drink beer. Sell them. Get stoned. Repeat. Die. Sound good?
it was all very humbling! I'm no good at the comics format though, I don't really have the skills and the drive to do it and nothing else. I couldn't get my chops good enough, consistent enough to follow through on a comic, they're so much work, they'll break your heart :P A friend of mine with a comic project, I don't think he had any idea how much of his life it'd take up. Like starting a rock band. it's serious fucking business, you give it everything you have.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:01:19am |
re: #90 Obdicut
oh yeah, this is the book: [Link: www.amazon.com...]
cool seeing people you know...in a comic book by one of them o_o
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:03:13am |
re: #89 EdDantes
My non-scientific distinction is that weather is ever changing, climate is constant.
FTFY.
:)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:03:42am |
re: #86 Obdicut
and yes, you are correct, fucker is REALLY GOOD, look at all this: [Link: dresdencodak.com...]
damn!
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:06:33am |
re: #94 WindUpBird
and yes, you are correct, fucker is REALLY GOOD, look at all this: [Link: dresdencodak.com...]
damn!
Neat.
Though...
I keep reading them right to left...
Lol.
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:10:43am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:11:17am |
re: #95 Varek Raith
Neat.
Though...
I keep reading them right to left...
Lol.
nerd :D
I grew up on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the New Mutants, X-Men, Savage Henry, Post Bros. ;-)
I like some japanese comics, generally stuff like Appleseed, Akira, virtuoso undeniable gods like Shirow. But my taste in comics is now pretty much gutter indie American sruff, the occasional saucy webcomic, or weird artsy experimental stuff. i really don't read enough comics these days. *_* got a friend a gigantic stack of Grant Morrison books for Christmas, We3, Invisibles, The Filth. That's the stuff I like.
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EdDantes Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:12:02am |
re: #90 Obdicut
Rather the reverse, right? The weather can change a lot during a single day.
No matter what the changes, it is still weather. Climate changes over the millinnia, but weather continues regardless.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:14:15am |
re: #97 Varek Raith
I'm too used to reading manga.
;)
Let me tell you about Matt Howarth. The comic book maker. He of Heavy Metal Magazine fame. He who dresses Cthulu in a suit, gives him a cigar and makes him a member of a band frequented by dimension hopping lunatics. Hew who drew comics for music reviews. Little comics where the two conversants are being eaten alive by unknown supernatural entities while discussing the the synth percussion merits of a Skinny Puppy or a Wumpscut record.
Nah, just dig around in here, words don't do him justice. [Link: www.matthowarth.com...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:15:18am |
re: #96 Obdicut
I'm all wordy tonight, I don't know why but hey :D
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EdDantes Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:15:37am |
re: #93 Varek Raith
FTFY.
:)
Our ancestors who survived the last great ice age 10K years ago might argue if they were around today.
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:17:15am |
re: #102 WindUpBird
Let me tell you about Matt Howarth. The comic book maker. He of Heavy Metal Magazine fame. He who dresses Cthulu in a suit, gives him a cigar and makes him a member of a band frequented by dimension hopping lunatics. Hew who drew comics for music reviews. Little comics where the two conversants are being eaten alive by unknown supernatural entities while discussing the the synth percussion merits of a Skinny Puppy or a Wumpscut record.
Nah, just dig around in here, words don't do him justice. [Link: www.matthowarth.com...]
Bookmarked.
Thanks.:)
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:18:01am |
re: #99 EdDantes
I think you're just kind of mixing your terms.
Weather is in no way, shape, or form, constant, except that every day, there's weather.
Every day, there's climate, too.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:18:32am |
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EdDantes Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:27:40am |
re: #106 Obdicut
I think you're just kind of mixing your terms.
Weather is in no way, shape, or form, constant, except that every day, there's weather.
Every day, there's climate, too.
Weather is the state of the atmosphere at any given time. Climate is the state of the atmosphere over an extended period of time.
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:32:14am |
Later gators.
I'm going to attempt my morning walk...
Stupid wind!
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:33:26am |
re: #108 EdDantes
Weather is the state of the atmosphere at any given time. Climate is the state of the atmosphere over an extended period of time.
Yes, that's perfectly true.
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EdDantes Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:38:35am |
Good night everyone. I wish I could stay up longer.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 15, 2010 3:52:41am |
re: #111 EdDantes
Good night everyone. I wish I could stay up longer.
I've had girfriends that used to say the same thing about me!
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:05:59am |
re: #112 sattv4u2
Why, did they really like Midnight Theater?
/
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:07:29am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:08:14am |
re: #115 Obdicut
Why, did they really like Midnight Theater?
/
Some of the women I dated, it was more like Midnight Theater of TERROR!
(well,, that went both ways, actually!!)
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freetoken Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:09:07am |
WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!
Catholic archbishop defeats Santa Claus
Organisers of a Christmas cabin in the Argentinian city of Resistencia have cancelled plans for a gift-giving Father Christmas following an attack from a Roman Catholic archbishop.
Archbishop Fabriciano Sigampa complained that initial idea of a Santa Claus giving out donated toys to poor children would distract from celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ, AFP reports.
Sigampa said: "That's not Christmas... Surely, in the coming days there will be a deluge of advertisements after they inaugurate the house where a fat man dressed in red lives. And we should not confuse Christmas with that.
"[Children] should know that, in reality, the gifts come from the efforts of their parents and with the help of Jesus."
The plans for a Santa figure were dropped after the protest and Santa's cabin was renamed the "House of Christmas".
Christmas won! Oh... wait... maybe it lost?
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:10:56am |
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:12:20am |
re: #120 researchok
16 degrees here in Raleigh
Damn brrr!
9 here, with a -5 windchill.
Hey, go lasso the sun and pull it closer to the Earth, would ya???
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:12:35am |
re: #120 researchok
16 degrees here in Raleigh
Damn brrr!
A balmy 25 in Atlanta
((remind me again,,, WHAT was one of the reasons I moved from Boston?!?!? If this keeps up, I'm packing for the equator!!))
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freetoken Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:13:29am |
Weird culinary secrets:
A baker has revealed his pies contained Viagra after a batch was stolen by thieves on the way to a pie eating competition.
The pies were stolen en route to the World Pie Eating Championships in Wigan, reports Metro.
Baker Vince Bowen says they all contained traces of the pharmaceutical sex aid, which he used as a preservative to keep the potatoes firm.
The event's organiser and bar-owner, Tony Callaghan, told locals to be on the look-out for a group of "hardened criminals".
Mr Callaghan said: "It's a right cock-up. It's going to be very hard to sort this one out."
The world famous pie-eating championships have long made use of special ingredients.
The bakery came up with the idea of using Viagra after over-mushy potatoes led to record-breaking times in 2007.
I don't make these things up, really!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:14:56am |
re: #123 freetoken
Weird culinary secrets:
I don't make these things up, really!
Now I know how bakers always achieve a stiff merangue
((damn , and I REALLY like lemon merangue pie!!))
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:15:31am |
re: #123 freetoken
Weird culinary secrets:
I don't make these things up, really!
I so expected that to be an Onion link...
Lol.
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:17:26am |
re: #121 Varek Raith
9 here, with a -5 windchill.
Hey, go lasso the sun and pull it closer to the Earth, would ya???
You win.
And I'm not going outside.
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:18:09am |
re: #117 sattv4u2
Some of the women I dated, it was more like Midnight Theater of TERROR!
(well,, that went both ways, actually!!)
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:18:27am |
re: #126 researchok
You win.
And I'm not going outside.
No, you can have the coldest air.
I don't want it.
:P
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:22:01am |
re: #128 Varek Raith
No, you can have the coldest air.
I don't want it.
:P
Forecast here says we'll barely break freezing mark today.
A couple of years ago we were at 60 plus for the holidays.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:23:29am |
re: #129 researchok
Forecast here says we'll barely break freezing mark today.
A couple of years ago we were at 60 plus for the holidays.
Today's the warmest we've had in the last week (or so)
We'll be back to meat locker temps by Friday
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laZardo Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:23:39am |
Great minds steal. Petty minds borrow.
Also good evening. q;
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freetoken Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:24:08am |
Glad they don't have jurisdiction over blog fights:
Son of Saudi Islamic police chief to be lashed
A court in Saudi Arabia sentenced the son of one of the chiefs of the most feared Islamic police in the Gulf Kingdom for 50 lashes in public on charges of fighting, prompting his father to appeal for mercy.
In a report on Wednesday, the online Arabic language newspaper Anbakum said the court issued its sentence nearly eight months ago against the son of Sheikh Ahmed al Ghamdi, head of the Makkah branch of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, the most influential religious law enforcement body in the world’s dominant oil power.
It said the court found Ghamdi’s son guilty of fighting with another man, who will also get 70 lashes with the whip in public.
“I hope the court will revise its sentence against my son, who I believe is a victim,” Ghamdi was quoted as saying.
The paper did not name the son and the other defendant nor did it make clear if they were jailed.
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:27:08am |
re: #130 sattv4u2
Today's the warmest we've had in the last week (or so)
We'll be back to meat locker temps by Friday
Where is here?
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:27:37am |
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:28:00am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:28:28am |
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:29:12am |
re: #136 sattv4u2
Here be Atlanta (I haven't moved since #122)
That's what they want you to think...
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:30:51am |
I'm gonna sue the south for false advertising.
/
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:31:40am |
re: #138 researchok
I'm gonna sue the south for false advertising.
/
No use. We're as broke as the rest of the country!
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:33:48am |
re: #139 sattv4u2
No use. We're as broke as the rest of the country!
Not so bad here.
NC has done relatively well over the last few years, overall.
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Shropshire_Slasher Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:37:14am |
Good morning all, I'm tired of winter already.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:38:21am |
re: #140 researchok
Not so bad here.
NC has done relatively well over the last few years, overall.
Yeah,, Georgia is (barely) keeping it's head above water. We have some bumps in the road ahead but because of past tax breaks they've attracted and kept some large Fortune 500 companies to keep their bases here
Our two biggest problems are the agri industry (number of workers fluctuate wildly) and we're in the middle of a drinking water war with Florida and Alabama.
[Link: www.google.com...]
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:38:27am |
re: #139 sattv4u2
No use. We're as broke as the rest of the country!
I hear Alaska actually is making money these days...
Okay here is the con, it's called Ponties Mython, we're gonna need three people, some blanks, a pantomime caribou outfit, ketchup, and whatever we need to make some realish looking bullet wounds.....
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:43:01am |
re: #142 sattv4u2
Yeah,, Georgia is (barely) keeping it's head above water. We have some bumps in the road ahead but because of past tax breaks they've attracted and kept some large Fortune 500 companies to keep their bases here
Our two biggest problems are the agri industry (number of workers fluctuate wildly) and we're in the middle of a drinking water war with Florida and Alabama.
[Link: www.google.com...]
The good news is the drought is over.
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:43:37am |
re: #142 sattv4u2
Yeah,, Georgia is (barely) keeping it's head above water. We have some bumps in the road ahead but because of past tax breaks they've attracted and kept some large Fortune 500 companies to keep their bases here
Our two biggest problems are the agri industry (number of workers fluctuate wildly) and we're in the middle of a drinking water war with Florida and Alabama.
[Link: www.google.com...]
Hasn't that drinking water thing been going on for a while?
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:44:01am |
re: #144 laZardo
[Video]/sniff
And two hardboiled eggs...
*HONK* *HONK* *HONK*
Three hardboiled eggs....
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:48:12am |
re: #145 researchok
The good news is the drought is over.
Yeah ,, Two summers ago the Lake was 19 FEET below "normal" levels. Friend of mine has lakefront property. His dock didn't reach the water line the whole year
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:48:22am |
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:52:55am |
re: #148 sattv4u2
Yeah ,, Two summers ago the Lake was 19 FEET below "normal" levels. Friend of mine has lakefront property. His dock didn't reach the water line the whole year
I recall that guy who had that huge house and spent a fortune on water to keep his yard up. Everyone else was conserving water but this guy was willing to pay for it.
That one made the news.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 15, 2010 4:55:07am |
re: #150 researchok
I recall that guy who had that huge house and spent a fortune on water to keep his yard up. Everyone else was conserving water but this guy was willing to pay for it.
That one made the news.
heh,, don't recall that one but for over a year we had anywhere from a partial to a total ban on outdoor watering
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:00:32am |
re: #151 sattv4u2
heh,, don't recall that one but for over a year we had anywhere from a partial to a total ban on outdoor watering
Here's the story:
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Shropshire_Slasher Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:07:43am |
re: #152 researchok
Must have been his five leaky toilets.
I'm on a well, and a leaky toilet will get me up out of a deep slumber to fix.
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:17:29am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:22:21am |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
Turns out the rotten apple doesn't fall far from the poisonous tree.
Not always. There are good examples.
[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]
Bettina Goering, 53, is a great niece of Adolf Hitler's second in command Hermann Goering.
[...]
She had herself STERILISED so she would "not pass on the blood of a monster".
[...]
A tormented man is Niklas Frank, 70, the son of Hans Frank, Hitler's governor of occupied Poland and the man responsible for the extermination camp programme which killed SIX MILLION Jews.
Frank was hanged by the Allies after the war but Niklas says he was "condemned to a living death because of the slime-hole of a Hitler fanatic that I had for a father."
[...]
Katrin Himmler, 43, the great niece of Heinrich Himmler - the SS chief second only to Hitler and in charge of the extermination programme - married an Israeli Jew and ponders how "one day, I will tell the story to my son about his great-great-uncle Heinrich."
She says: "I don't believe I inherited his 'badness'. But I live with his name. When I was 11 the TV series Holocaust was shown in Germany. I sat at my desk crying and crying because the name Himmler was repeated again and again.
[...]
They include archaeology professor Ricardo Eichmann, 55, who talks about his dad - "desk murderer" Adolf Eichmann, who organised the transport of the six million Jews who died in the Holocaust to the extermination centres.
[...]
Ricardo once said: "I tend to compare our family history to that of a multi-stage rocket. My father was the part that was dropped to the sea shortly after take-off, while we continue flying. I am glad I do not have to live with him."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:23:37am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:29:47am |
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Shropshire_Slasher Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:30:09am |
re: #154 Varek Raith
Wonder if he will crash and burn in 2011?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:33:00am |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:35:18am |
re: #156 Sergey Romanov
Not always. There are good examples.
[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]
Here's another one...
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Shropshire_Slasher Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:35:47am |
re: #159 Fat Bastard VegetarianSucks to get old. I love The Beastmaster, he was the crazy guy who got knifed/deballed by angry ferrets in the end right?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:37:17am |
re: #164 Shropshire_Slasher
Dunno. Was on the Larry Sander's Show and was in Men In Black. But, I shouldn't forget his masterpiece. "Dodgeball".
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:40:15am |
re: #162 Sergey Romanov
Man: I want to change my name.
Judge: What is your name?
Man: Henry Buzzardbreath.
Judge: I can see why you'd want to change that. What do you want to change it to?
Man: George Buzzardbreath.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:49:30am |
re: #166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Actual names of friends of mine:
Tristam Von Dunce
Dick Pots
Raisin Kane
Shuga Kane
Renee Gloria Paradise
Bonus Honus
Billy Bong-Bat Batalang
Tamara Chattanattarattadang
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:50:47am |
re: #167 Obdicut
Not Facebook friends either? ;D
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:52:23am |
re: #169 Sergey Romanov
Nope. All real. Tamara and Billy are Thai, who have great names in general, so that's almost cheating.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:53:47am |
re: #167 Obdicut
My mothre always told us she went to school with a kid named Irving Irving
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:55:20am |
re: #171 sattv4u2
I like Bonus Honus. His mother didn't realize she was having twins.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:56:37am |
re: #171 sattv4u2
My mothre always told us she went to school with a kid named Irving Irving
I went to school with a Bob Robb.
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lazardo Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:58:03am |
re: #156 Sergey Romanov
And then there was Hermann's brother Albert, an artsy aristocratic playboy that made use of his brother's influential position to save as many Jews as he could.
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lazardo Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:58:20am |
re: #173 NJDhockeyfan
I went to school with a Bob Robb.
I went to kindergarten with a Peter Pan.
No, really.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:59:27am |
WTF? Everything in "My Documents" folder has disappeared, except for the document that was open.
Grrr. Put in a priority call to help desk.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:00:22am |
re: #173 NJDhockeyfan
I went to school with a Bob Robb.
I find that hard to beleive!!
((no ,, I beleive his name was Bob Robb ,,, What I find hard to believe is that you went to school!!!))
[Link: vodpod.com...]
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srjh Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:06:08am |
re: #154 Varek Raith
Probably not the person who "for better or for worse has done the most to influence the events of the year". But they have avoided controversial choices lately (due to the title being confused with an award for "good" work), and it's not a dreadful choice, considering.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:07:03am |
re: #175 lazardo
I went to kindergarten with a Peter Pan.
No, really.
I also went to school with a Phil Hill. Weird how I remember those names.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:14:34am |
How the Nazis stole Christmas
By Francois Becker, in Cologne for AFP 15 Dec 2009
Presents wrapped in paper covered with Nazi symbols nestling beneath a tree adorned with swastikas and grenade-shaped baubles: welcome to Christmas under Adolf Hitler's Third Reich.As a new exhibition in the western German city of Cologne shows, the Nazis tried to skew the Christmas story to do away with the Jewish baby Jesus and impose their racist ideology and propaganda on the popular festival.
"Celebrating the birth of a Jewish baby was unthinkable for the Nazis," said Juergen Mueller, the chief researcher behind the exhibition.
"But Christmas was too popular to be banned. They therefore decided to corrupt it."
Nazi officials "invented a Germanic origin" for Christmas, renaming it "Julfest" and claiming that yuletide traditions stemmed from ancient rituals surrounding the winter solstice four days earlier, Mueller added.
Baby Jesus was turfed out of the crib and Santa Claus was reincarnated as a Viking knight.
In addition, the regime also created bizarre Nazi Christmas symbols, including swastika-shaped tins for Christmas cakes and Christmas cards emblazoned with a bullet wrapped in fir.
...Ironically, some Nazi Christmas items, such as the wrapping paper emblazoned with twisted crosses, were later banned for fear that children would tear the beloved symbol of the Third Reich.
Unfortunately, explained Mueller, some of the Nazis' corruptions of Christmas have since been adopted by today's neo-Nazis in Germany.
...Germans still buy so-called "Julleuchter" - Christmas lanterns - without knowing they were popularised by Hitler's sidekick Heinrich Himmler in 1938, with tens of thousands manufactured by concentration camp prisoners.
Nevertheless, despite traces of the Nazis' Christmas corruption still remaining, the Third Reich generally failed to dampen the Christmas spirit in Germany.
"During this period, the Germans kept the link with the Christian festival, even if the symbols were no longer used," said Mueller.
I still have a hard time trying to imagine what it was like to live in a country being taking over by the Nazis back then and by some who wish it would happen again.
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darthstar Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:17:55am |
re: #123 freetoken
Weird culinary secrets:
I don't make these things up, really!
If a stick-up lasts for more than four hours, call police and a doctor.
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laZardo Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:20:12am |
re: #179 NJDhockeyfan
I also went to school with a Phil Hill. Weird how I remember those names.
Could be worse, you'd have to deal with weird nicknames. For example, I have a cousin we call Tintin, even though she's probably never heard of...
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darthstar Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:20:23am |
re: #167 Obdicut
I had a student named Dusty Gentile once...yes, her first name was Dusty.
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darthstar Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:23:04am |
Second amendment solution?
Guy drew a big V with a circle around it (like the V for Vendetta movie), complained about his wife losing her job and a 1/2 cent sales tax increase, then opened fire on the school board.
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darthstar Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:26:20am |
No, the argument isn't whether the president was born in the US. The argument is whether you refused to follow orders, which you did. Now go serve your time quietly.
Nice article from Dowd today: [Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Romantic Heretic Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:26:56am |
re: #41 Obdicut
What's your deal, man?
Reason is like 95% total crap, 5% decent articles.
Shrugs. Sturgeon's Law: 95% of everything is crap.
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Romantic Heretic Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:28:53am |
re: #55 Obdicut
By the way-- "Salami tactic shtick" is really, really hard to say.
Try this one. The sixth sick sheik's sixth sheep's sick.
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darthstar Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:30:28am |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:31:28am |
Pelosi & Reid's Congress continues to set new records...
Congress' Job Approval Rating Worst in Gallup History
Americans' assessment of Congress has hit a new low, with 13% saying they approve of the way Congress is handling its job. The 83% disapproval rating is also the worst Gallup has measured in more than 30 years of tracking congressional job performance.
Fantastic! C'mon Nancy, you still have a chance to explore new horizons of single digit poll numbers.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:33:55am |
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:35:25am |
re: #191 Obdicut
That would come in handy if he runs across mutant cannibalistic reindeer or elves that try to stop him. Or zombies.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:37:01am |
I went to school with a Thomas Jefferson......
The "Floor Jack"...swapped VW motors without a jack..just a block of wood!
Voyager Leaves our Solar System and the influence of the the Sun!
To think it was built using pencil and paper and a slide rule 33 years ago!
Amazing
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:37:41am |
re: #191 Obdicut
Hah. Santa's sleigh got an upgrade.
BTW, our new friend Patrick Polk came over for dinner. Brought his guitar and music ensued. Maybe ten songs in all. Mostly originals. He'll have a cd ha can sell for himself soon. I'll be seeing to that for him.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:38:29am |
re: #191 Obdicut
Wazzat, Futurama cosplay?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:40:27am |
re: #193 reloadingisnotahobby
I went to school with a Thomas Jefferson...
The "Floor Jack"...swapped VW motors without a jack..just a block of wood!Voyager Leaves our Solar System and the influence of the the Sun!
To think it was built using pencil and paper and a slide rule 33 years ago!
Amazing
I was just reading that. Very interesting NASA story about it...
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:40:28am |
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:41:10am |
re: #194 Rightwingconspirator
That's great. I have some very minor music industry contacts that I'd be happy to connect you with for him. Nic is blue if you'd like.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:41:27am |
re: #197 NJDhockeyfan
I was just reading that. Very interesting NASA story about it...
///Clearly this is a result of our attempt to use solar wind power to fight global warming rather than good old honest American Oil....
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:43:05am |
re: #200 jamesfirecat
///Clearly this is a result of our attempt to use solar wind power to fight global warming rather than good old honest American Oil...
We need to use less SUVs in space.
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laZardo Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:44:05am |
re: #201 NJDhockeyfan
We need to use less SUVs in space.
Save The Northern Lights for Future Generations!
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:45:04am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:45:18am |
Warning, may cause diabetes ;)
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:46:10am |
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darthstar Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:46:38am |
Of course, come election time, they'll blame the Democrats, because if two of them hadn't joined the Republicans, they never would have been able to gut their state and fuck it up so bad.
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Ojoe Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:47:59am |
re: #203 reloadingisnotahobby
Good morning to you also.
I'm off to drive food bank trucks momentarily.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:52:19am |
There is a white substance falling from the sky...wind about 10-15 out of the N.E.....
.......I'm closing the blinds........
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darthstar Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:53:39am |
re: #211 reloadingisnotahobby
There is a white substance falling from the sky...wind about 10-15 out of the N.E...
...I'm closing the blinds...
You may want to whack a rock with a stick so you can get some water to go with all that food.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:56:49am |
re: #213 darthstar
You may want to whack a rock with a stick so you can get some water to go with all that food.
Nope!
Not doing that!!
I want to SEE the Promised Land...
LOL
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darthstar Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:56:53am |
Friend posted this on fb
Sarah Palin: This is Sarah Palin, may I speak with Joe Lieberman?
Intern: Senator Lieberman is not in, this is Yom Kippur.
Sarah Palin: Hi Yom, can I leave a message?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:57:26am |
Trash Thieves Stealing Trash From Under Sanitation's Nose
Who is stealing New York's...trash? No, really. That's the question the Times ponders today in a piece on the many appliances that New Yorkers have put on the street and reported to the Department of Sanitation only to see them disappear before crews can arrive to remove them. Since July 11,528 of the 22,741 refrigerators, air-conditioners and freezers reported have gone missing (the agency only started keeping track of the missing trash this summer). As the Times notes, "the appliances did not develop legs and walk away, and they did not simply disappear." Bed bugs carried them away, maybe?
Anyway, while it may not seem that important at first glance, remember that one man's trash is another man's cash. Sims Municipal Recycling of New York L.L.C, for instance, has a large contract to recycle New York's waste and says the thefts, along with schemes involving redeemable bottles (Newman!) are costing them between $2 and $4 million annually, according to the companies awesomely named general manager Thomas Outerbridge.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:58:25am |
re: #215 darthstar
Friend posted this on fb
Sarah Palin: This is Sarah Palin, may I speak with Joe Lieberman?
Intern: Senator Lieberman is not in, this is Yom Kippur.
Sarah Palin: Hi Yom, can I leave a message?
I don't believe it... chiefly because I can't imagine any reason for her to be calling up Joe Lieberman....
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darthstar Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:59:28am |
re: #214 reloadingisnotahobby
Nope!
Not doing that!!
I want to SEE the Promised Land...
LOL
Promised Land is a great double-black diamond run at Alpine Meadows. I see it all the time in the winter. One of my friends has a son named Jacob, and the day after Passover they'll often go skiing so he can "follow Jacob into the Promised Land."
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Dec 15, 2010 6:59:40am |
re: #217 jamesfirecat
I don't believe it... chiefly because I can't imagine any reason for her to be calling up Joe Lieberman...
She did get that nice Thank You note from Dan Quayle...
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darthstar Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:00:10am |
re: #217 jamesfirecat
I don't believe it... chiefly because I can't imagine any reason for her to be calling up Joe Lieberman...
If it's about Sarah Palin, it's not meant to be believed.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:00:20am |
re: #216 NJDhockeyfan
LOL
At least their not stealing Burial Urns!
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:01:22am |
re: #220 darthstar
If it's about Sarah Palin, it's not meant to be believed.
Well yeah but if she had been asking for Eric Cantor it would have been more believable....
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darthstar Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:02:26am |
re: #222 jamesfirecat
Well yeah but if she had been asking for Eric Cantor it would have been more believable...
Is Cantor the only Jewish Republican? Serious question, actually.
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:10:09am |
Analysis of Gawker hacking shows that password protection is pretty much nonexistent. A significant portion of the passwords caught up in the hack were of the variety like "password" or "123456".
A computer system is only as secure as its least secure access point. Those passwords are laughable.
Meanwhile, anyone else notice that Facebook was asking for additional personal information yesterday - including phone numbers when logging in? That's the last thing they need is still more information.
Can you imagine the uproar if Facebook got hacked in the same fashion as Gawker? The amount of personal info on Facebook is staggering - and the Gawker hack also exposes password information of users there. It isn't a big leap to suspect that some Gawker users also use Facebook, meaning that their access to Facebook and other sites could become compromised.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:11:27am |
re: #216 NJDhockeyfan
I was at the rifle range one day...a truck loaded with TRASH drove by
heading up into the mountians.
thirty min...later came back empty!
As it drove under the I 70 overpass I turned around and zoomed my scope
...made a call to the Sheriff....30 min..later he came back with some
frends from the Sheriff Dept.
I waved when they came back with his truck loaded up again!!
Am I nice friendly guy or what!!
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:18:07am |
Wikileaks.org now hosted by Russian criminials
Spam tracking outfit Spamhaus has warned that that the original WikiLeaks address, wikileaks.org, now redirects traffic to a site operated by what it calls 'Russian cybercriminals'.
It says Webalta's 92.241.160.0/19 IP address space has been listed on the Spamhaus Block List (SBL) since October 2008 due to nefarious activites associated with the address
Spamhaus regards the Russian Webalta (also known as Wahome) host as being "blackhat" - a known cybercrime host from whose IP space Spamhaus only sees spamming, malware/virus hosting, phishing and other dodgy activities.
The outfit says it is concerned that any WikiLeaks archive posted on a site that is hosted in Webalta space might be infected with malware.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:20:45am |
re: #229 NJDhockeyfan
The question is, did this happen with Assange's knowledge/blessing or did the Russians simply notice that the site was generating a lot of traffic and thus would make a reward target?
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:22:44am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:24:43am |
re: #230 jamesfirecat
The question is, did this happen with Assange's knowledge/blessing or did the Russians simply notice that the site was generating a lot of traffic and thus would make a reward target?
Maybe this is simply misinformation by the United States government to try to keep citizens from visiting Wikileaks?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:31:09am |
WikiLeaks hackers give Britain 48 hours to let Julian Assange go free
Hackers today declared a 48-hour truce in their WikiLeaks “cyber war” as the website's founder, Julian Assange, waits to see whether he will be freed from a British jail.
Mr Assange remained in solitary confinement in Wandsworth prison after the Swedish authorities appealed against a decision to grant him bail at City of Westminster magistrates' court — but the threat to British government websites appears to have subsided.
Anonymous, the group behind attacks on several sites it perceives as enemies of WikiLeaks, announced the truce in a YouTube video, complete with a dramatic soundtrack of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture.
“We respect the law, we hope that justice will respect free speech. We will wait 48 hours,” it said. However, it then warned: “We do not forget, we do not forgive.”
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garhighway Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:33:35am |
Morning all.
Here's a fun thing from the NYT: look at census data tract by tract:
[Link: projects.nytimes.com...]
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laZardo Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:35:50am |
re: #233 NJDhockeyfan
“We do not forget, we do not forgive.”
ANONYMOUS IZ LEE-GION!
/grabs the popcorn and savors the rage of a thousand neckbearded nerds
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garhighway Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:38:33am |
re: #234 garhighway
Morning all.
Here's a fun thing from the NYT: look at census data tract by tract:
[Link: projects.nytimes.com...]
When you scroll across Manhattan, you see the ethnic mix vary drastically. It is interesting to look at.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:51:09am |
Iraq: Plot to bomb US, European countries revealed
Iraqi authorities have obtained confessions from captured insurgents who claim al-Qaida is planning suicide attacks in the United States and Europe during the Christmas season, two senior officials said Wednesday.
Iraqi Interior Minister Jawad al-Bolani told The Associated Press that the botched bombing in central Stockholm last weekend was among the alleged plots the insurgents revealed. Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, in a telephone interview from New York, called the claims "a critical threat."
Both al-Bolani and Zebari said Iraq has informed Interpol of the alleged plots, and alerted authorities in the U.S. and European countries of the possible danger. Neither official specified which country or countries in Europe are alleged targets.
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darthstar Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:56:02am |
re: #237 NJDhockeyfan
Tell us something we don't know. Al Qaeda spends as much time plotting attacks as the GOP does obsessing about tax cuts.
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Semper Fi Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:56:12am |
re: #227 reloadingisnotahobby
I was at the rifle range one day...a truck loaded with TRASH drove by
heading up into the mountians.
thirty min...later came back empty!
As it drove under the I 70 overpass I turned around and zoomed my scope
...made a call to the Sheriff...30 min..later he came back with some
frends from the Sheriff Dept.
I waved when they came back with his truck loaded up again!!
Am I nice friendly guy or what!!
Your call to the sheriff was a Lizardleak. I love it. Thank you.
Good morning all...
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 7:59:04am |
re: #237 NJDhockeyfan
Or the Iraqis just tortured someone until they made something up.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:01:26am |
re: #240 Obdicut
Or the Iraqis just tortured someone until they made something up.
You have a link for that?
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CuriousLurker Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:01:57am |
re: #234 garhighway
Morning all.
Here's a fun thing from the NYT: look at census data tract by tract:
[Link: projects.nytimes.com...]
Way cool. Thanks!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:06:14am |
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:06:28am |
re: #241 NJDhockeyfan
You have a link for that?
What do you mean? For Iraqis using torture?
Sure.
[Link: www.rferl.org...]
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:08:24am |
re: #245 Obdicut
What do you mean? For Iraqis using torture?
Sure.
[Link: www.rferl.org...]
I meant for the terrorist informant in that story. You seem to have some inside knowledge and I wanted to read it.
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:08:35am |
re: #237 NJDhockeyfan
al-Qaida is planning suicide attacks in the United States and Europe during the Christmas season
Well, uh, I could've predicted that.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:09:57am |
re: #246 NJDhockeyfan
I meant for the terrorist informant in that story. You seem to have some inside knowledge and I wanted to read it.
You don't appear to understand.
The Iraqis use torture.
So this information may have come from torture, and may be unreliable.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:11:19am |
Don't leak my address: Astonishing plea from WikiLeaks boss as he tries to get bail
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange tried to hide his bail address from the public in an astonishing move for the man responsible for leaking thousands of diplomatic secrets.
Assange's lawyers argued that the location - a 10-bedroom stately home - should not be disclosed on grounds of privacy during yesterday's hearing at City of Westminster Magistrates' Court.
But the move was dismissed by District Judge Howard Riddle, who ruled not to reveal the address would conflict with Assange's commitment to open justice.
The judge insisted the address - Captain Vaughan Smith's Ellingham Hall on the Norfolk/Suffolk border - was read out in open court as usual.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:11:41am |
re: #248 Obdicut
You don't appear to understand.
The Iraqis use torture.
So this information may have come from torture, and may be unreliable.
Sure, if you say so. I think the world should just ignore the terrorist's confession then because he's the real victim here. Thanks for clearing that up.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:12:39am |
re: #249 Killgore Trout
Don't leak my address: Astonishing plea from WikiLeaks boss as he tries to get bail
LOL...privacy isn't for thee, it's only for me.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:12:47am |
re: #250 NJDhockeyfan
Sure, if you say so. I think the world should just ignore the terrorist's confession then because he's the real victim here. Thanks for clearing that up.
What are you talking about?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:12:53am |
XKCD nails it: Wikileaks
[Link: xkcd.com...]
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:14:16am |
Meanwhile, Iran is blaming the US for a suicide bombing that killed 39 in an Eastern province. They claim that they recovered items linking the bombing to the US.
The location of the attack was near to the Iran-Pakistani border, and this attack comes close to Ashura, so sectarian violence shouldn't be discounted. In fact, I think it is the more likely scenario - Sunni terrorists going after Shia parishioners during the Shi'ites holy period. Iran's regime would rather focus blame on the US because it suits their propaganda purposes better than dealing with a 1,000+ year history of violence between Sunni and Shia.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:15:10am |
re: #252 Obdicut
What are you talking about?
Didn't you just accuse the terrorist's information as a lie created from Iraqi torture? I got the impression you are suggesting the Iraqis are the bad guys here and the al-Qaeda terrorist is the victim.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:17:00am |
re: #255 NJDhockeyfan
Didn't you just accuse the terrorist's information as a lie created from Iraqi torture?
I said it was possible, since the Iraqis torture.
I got the impression you are suggesting the Iraqis are the bad guys here and the al-Qaeda terrorist is the victim.
You kinda pulled that out of your derriere.
Do you not believe the Iraqis torture, or something? Do you think that every confession from any insurgent should be believed 100%?
Why do you think the story calls them 'alleged plots' and notes "There was no way to verify the insurgents' claims"?
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:17:31am |
re: #254 lawhawk
Meanwhile, Iran is blaming the US for a suicide bombing that killed 39 in an Eastern province. They claim that they recovered items linking the bombing to the US.
The location of the attack was near to the Iran-Pakistani border, and this attack comes close to Ashura, so sectarian violence shouldn't be discounted. In fact, I think it is the more likely scenario - Sunni terrorists going after Shia parishioners during the Shi'ites holy period. Iran's regime would rather focus blame on the US because it suits their propaganda purposes better than dealing with a 1,000+ year history of violence between Sunni and Shia.
Clearly, something is going on.
Neither Israel or Holocaust denial was a part of the story.
/
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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:18:17am |
re: #234 garhighway
Morning all.
Here's a fun thing from the NYT: look at census data tract by tract:
[Link: projects.nytimes.com...]
Way cool. Bookmarked.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:18:47am |
re: #254 lawhawk
The Christian Science Monitor notes:
No group immediately claimed responsibility for the attack, which took place in the city of Chabahar in Iran’s Sistan-Baluchistan Province. But it is likely to be blamed on Jundallah, a Sunni and ethnic Baluchi militant organization responsible for multiple attacks in the province, which has a significant Sunni population in majority-Shiite Iran.
Gee, there's been another bombing in an area where this group has bombed before, attacking Shi'ites. Of course it must be the US!
I wonder how many Iranians actually buy that bullshit?
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:19:30am |
re: #249 Killgore Trout
I wouldn't hazard a bet that Assange and his cohorts want to keep all manner of information private - as long as it relates to them personally. That would include sources of funding, who provided bail, locations of information retained on servers, password information to the supposed doomsday leak, etc.
They have information they'd prefer remain out of the public domain, but have no qualms about releasing information about everyone else, consequences be damned.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:21:23am |
re: #256 Obdicut
I said it was possible, since the Iraqis torture.
Do you not believe the Iraqis torture, or something? Do you think that every confession from any insurgent should be believed 100%?
Why do you think the story calls them 'alleged plots' and notes "There was no way to verify the insurgents' claims"?
I haven't seen any reports of torture related to this story except from you. Judging by al-Qaeda's history I would probably give this story much more credibility than someone's internet blog posting of a high possibility of torture.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:21:44am |
re: #260 lawhawk
I'm hoping the media heavily emphasizes the antisemitic Russian dude and connection to Russian organized crime. The media sucks in general, but since, in many ways, Assange is attacking them, maybe they'll get off their keisters for once.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:22:11am |
re: #261 NJDhockeyfan
Judging by al-Qaeda's history I would probably give this story much more credibility than someone's internet blog posting of a high possibility of torture.
Again:
Why do you think the story calls them 'alleged plots' and notes "There was no way to verify the insurgents' claims"?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:22:42am |
re: #260 lawhawk
I wouldn't hazard a bet that Assange and his cohorts want to keep all manner of information private - as long as it relates to them personally. That would include sources of funding, who provided bail, locations of information retained on servers, password information to the supposed doomsday leak, etc.
They have information they'd prefer remain out of the public domain, but have no qualms about releasing information about everyone else, consequences be damned.
Since they probably believe that they have done nothing wrong, and in fact, are accomplishing something for the public good, then they could take that reasoning further and claim that their personal information is not subject to the same "rules" that they have subjected the diplomatic emails too... or any other material that they have leaked from various sources.
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jaunte Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:23:08am |
re: #249 Killgore Trout
Don't leak my address: Astonishing plea from WikiLeaks boss as he tries to get bail
Ellingham Hall, UK shows up on Google maps.
Looks like they have a nice tennis court.
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cenotaphium Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:26:57am |
re: #253 Decatur Deb
XKCD nails it: Wikileaks
[Link: xkcd.com...]
The alt text seems rather dismissive of the cyber attacks..
"STUDENTS ARE CALLING PRESIDENT JOHNSON EN MASSE TO PROTEST THE BOMBING AND IT'S JAMMED THE WHITE HOUSE SWITCHBOARD. COULD THEY COLLAPSE OUR CRITICAL PHONE SYSTEMS? HAS THE FIRST TELEPHONE WAR BEGUN? STAY TUNED FOR MORE ON THIS DANGEROUS NEW TECHNOLOGY."
Still nailing it?
I don't know what to make of the Wikileaks situation yet.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:27:05am |
re: #249 Killgore Trout
I think Assange would have done a lot better to stay in jail on principle. This is making him look like such an asshole.
I mean, even more than before.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:27:55am |
re: #263 Obdicut
Again:
Why do you think the story calls them 'alleged plots' and notes "There was no way to verify the insurgents' claims"?
Don't they always do that? Every time alleged plots is mentioned in a warning from the FBI, CIA, DHS, etc, is your first thought usually that someone was tortured for that information?
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:28:43am |
re: #268 NJDhockeyfan
My first thought when information is claimed from a country that routinely tortures people is that torture may have been involved.
Why is that somehow weird to you?
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:29:56am |
re: #262 Obdicut
I don't think the anti-Semitic links will get the media to engage in further investigations. However, the Russian mob connections might - and it goes back to another possible line of charges against those involved in the leak (Assange, Manning, et al.) that I've thought could be applied - RICO charges (whether indictments are handed down here in the US or overseas under similar laws).
If the Russia mob is somehow involved, we're talking about a criminal enterprise, and the release of information could have been secondary to the mob's desire to learn about specific information.
Then again, the Russian mob merely be a front for the Russian government in its desire to bamboozle the US foreign policy and diplomatic efforts.
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:30:36am |
re: #259 Obdicut
The Christian Science Monitor notes:
Gee, there's been another bombing in an area where this group has bombed before, attacking Shi'ites. Of course it must be the US!
I wonder how many Iranians actually buy that bullshit?
With the exception of the RG die hards, all of them.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:31:33am |
re: #272 researchok
You mean, everyone but the RG doesn't buy it?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:31:46am |
Some fun information... but first, an aside.
Before I embark on a trip to anywhere, I try to keep up with current events there. And I have been doing that of late in regards to Europe in general and France in particular. I have a number of English speaking expat friends in Paris, and it helps when I can converse with them about things relevant to their "world."
So, that's why/how I came up with the follow tidbit of information... Real-life Quasimodo uncovered in Tate archives
With his hunched back and deformed face, Quasimodo, the tragic hero of Victor Hugo's novel The Hunch Back of Notre Dame, has always been considered a mythical creation drawn from the depths of the author's imagination.
But a new discovery appears to reveal the real-life inspiration behind the character from Hugo's seminal novel, which tells the story of the deaf bell-ringer of Notre Dame and his unrequited love for the gipsy girl Esmeralda.
And a little more information from Wiki... Real-life Quasimodo
In August 2010 Adrian Glew, a Tate archivist, announced evidence for a real-life Quasimodo, a "humpbacked [stone] carver" who worked at Notre Dame during the 1820's.[1] The evidence is contained in the memoirs of Henry Sibson, a 19th-century British sculptor who worked at Notre Dame at around the same time Hugo wrote the novel.[1] Sibson describes a humpbacked stonemason working there, "he was the carver under the Government sculptor whose name I forget as I had no intercourse with him, all that I know is that he was humpbacked and he did not like to mix with carvers."[1] Because Victor Hugo had close links with the restoration of the cathedral it is likely he was aware of the "humpacked carver" known as "Trajin".[1] Adrian Glew also uncovered that both the hunchback and Hugo were living in the same town of Saint Germain-des-Pres in 1833, and in early drafts of Les Misérables, Hugo named the main character "Jean Trajin" (the same name as the hunchback carver), but later changed it to "Jean Valjean".[1]
In my opinion... fascinating.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:33:59am |
Lack of trust is just another reason not to torture.
A.Yu.Vatlin, Terror rayonnogo masshtaba, ROSSPEN, 2004, p.155:
Acting Head of the third section of the NKVD MO A.O.Postel' later confessed in one of the interrogations: "... If we analyze the protocols and albums of convicted"terrorists" according to dates and places where they were scheduled to implement terrorist attacks, we get a totally wild and incredible situation that in the days of festivities on May 1 and November 7 in the columns of the demonstrators on the Red Square there marched almost the whole tens and hundreds of "terrorists" who walked past the Mausoleum and were supposed to shoot, but for various reasons were allegedly prevented from this; or at Mozhaisk highway, where the government cars drove through (about which fact the terrorists did not even know) on certain days of summer there were "on duty" whole separate groups of "terrorists", allegedly awaiting these machines to shoot at them, which was again allegedly prevented for some reasons which were invented for the credibility of testimonies."
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Buck Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:34:08am |
re: #85 ralphieboy
Those who don't know the difference between theory and fact cannot be expected to tell the difference between climate and weather.
And the difference between Training and Education?
You would allow your daughter to attend a Sex Education class...
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:35:27am |
re: #267 Obdicut
I think Assange would have done a lot better to stay in jail on principle. This is making him look like such an asshole.
I mean, even more than before.
good point. Gandhi wanted his day in court because he knew he was right. Assange is playing a game and knows he's going to get fucked.
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:35:48am |
re: #276 Buck
And the difference between Training and Education?
You would allow your daughter to attend a Sex Education class...
Able to leap over the tallest building!
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:35:52am |
re: #274 Walter L. Newton
Some fun information... but first, an aside.
Before I embark on a trip to anywhere, I try to keep up with current events there. And I have been doing that of late in regards to Europe in general and France in particular. I have a number of English speaking expat friends in Paris, and it helps when I can converse with them about things relevant to their "world."
So, that's why/how I came up with the follow tidbit of information... Real-life Quasimodo uncovered in Tate archives
And a little more information from Wiki... Real-life Quasimodo
In my opinion... fascinating.
I'd be curiosu to hear about the current state of affairs in the Paris banliues.
Post Ilan Halimi and Sarkozy, the news from the burbs seems to indicate things have quited down.
Or, are no longer being reported.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:35:52am |
re: #269 Obdicut
My first thought when information is claimed from a country that routinely tortures people is that torture may have been involved.
Why is that somehow weird to you?
My first thought was I hope the world is stepping up their defenses from this new terrorism information but I guess you think differently about these thing. Oh well, that's fine.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:36:52am |
re: #280 NJDhockeyfan
I'm mostly hoping that our intelligence services are doing a good job of sorting accurate from inaccurate information, given that that's an integral part of stepping up their defenses.
I also hope that it didn't come as news to our intelligence services that Al Queda is attempting to attack us.
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:36:56am |
re: #277 Killgore Trout
good point. Gandhi wanted his day in court because he knew he was right. Assange is playing a game and knows he's going to get fucked.
A European Shahid- and telegenic to boot.
He's happy.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:39:48am |
re: #281 Obdicut
I'm mostly hoping that our intelligence services are doing a good job of sorting accurate from inaccurate information, given that that's an integral part of stepping up their defenses.
I can agree with that.
I also hope that it didn't come as news to our intelligence services that Al Queda is attempting to attack us.
It's definitely not news. I hope that terrorist is providing great information for our guys to stop any planned attacks.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:40:37am |
re: #279 researchok
I'd be curiosu to hear about the current state of affairs in the Paris banliues.
Post Ilan Halimi and Sarkozy, the news from the burbs seems to indicate things have quited down.
Or, are no longer being reported.
I haven't read anything of late, either in France 24 or Le Monde, and on the weekend , I listen to 2 French radio stations, streaming, and they haven't mentioned anything of late.
On a related note, Le's Pens daughter Marine appears to be next in line to take over his far right party, and she is positioning herself of late with some fiery rhetoric...
Marine Le Pen has been described as a more modern face for her father’s far-right National Front party. But her remarks comparing French Muslims praying in the street to the Nazi occupation have some asking how much has actually changed.
[Link: www.france24.com...]
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:41:18am |
Mildly OT (considering Assange's arrest on rape charges):
WABC Weather Reporter in NYC Arrested on Submitting False Rape Charges:
"WABC/Channel 7 weather babe Heidi Jones was arrested for perpetrating the ultimate snow job -- falsely claiming to cops that a man had tried to rape her while she was jogging in Central Park, sources said yesterday." The Post's lede was "Here's Heidi's forecast: Cloudy with a chance of deception" and later explains, "Jones spun a story that proved to be as unreliable as a five-day forecast, telling police last month that she was assaulted in September while pounding the pavement in the city's back yard, the sources said." But when the police's investigations came up with nothing, she admitted she made it all up.
She could face up to a year in jail on misdemeanor charges and a $1,000 fine for the false report.
I'm not familiar with Swedish law, but if the alleged rape claims were ginned up by the two women involved there, they might be subject to similar charges of filing false reports (notwithstanding the other legal issues and hurdles to overcome in making the case against Assange).
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:42:41am |
Glenn Greenwald: The inhumane conditions of Bradley Manning's detention
A long description of Manning's horrible treatment at the hands of the evil Americans. Ends with a fund raising appeal for Manning's defense.
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:43:21am |
re: #284 Walter L. Newton
I haven't read anything of late, either in France 24 or Le Monde, and on the weekend , I listen to 2 French radio stations, streaming, and they haven't mentioned anything of late.
On a related note, Le's Pens daughter Marine appears to be next in line to take over his far right party, and she is positioning herself of late with some fiery rhetoric...
Her timing is good, that's for sure.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:43:45am |
re: #283 NJDhockeyfan
I can agree with that.
Good. Because a large part of that is being very dubious of allegations that stem from places that are known to use torture.
It's definitely not news. I hope that terrorist is providing great information for our guys to stop any planned attacks.
My point is that the use of torture by the Iraqis makes it much harder for our guys to use that intelligence effectively, since information gained by torture isn't reliable.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:44:43am |
re: #266 cenotaphium
The alt text seems rather dismissive of the cyber attacks..
"STUDENTS ARE CALLING PRESIDENT JOHNSON EN MASSE TO PROTEST THE BOMBING AND IT'S JAMMED THE WHITE HOUSE SWITCHBOARD. COULD THEY COLLAPSE OUR CRITICAL PHONE SYSTEMS? HAS THE FIRST TELEPHONE WAR BEGUN? STAY TUNED FOR MORE ON THIS DANGEROUS NEW TECHNOLOGY."Still nailing it?
I don't know what to make of the Wikileaks situation yet.
I'll try to get you SecDef Gates' comment on the impact of WL. Note that the kids phone-bombing LBJ ultimately won.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:45:32am |
re: #288 Obdicut
My point is that the use of torture by the Iraqis makes it much harder for our guys to use that intelligence effectively, since information gained by torture isn't reliable.
Of course that's assuming the Iraquis tortured the terrorist.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:46:04am |
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:47:08am |
re: #290 NJDhockeyfan
Of course that's assuming the Iraquis tortured the terrorist.
No, it's not. It's assuming the Iraqis use torture, which they do.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:47:18am |
re: #290 NJDhockeyfan
Of course that's assuming the Iraquis tortured the terrorist.
LOL... NJHF... stop that.
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:47:20am |
re: #286 Killgore Trout
He's claiming that Manning has been tortured; "that he was being held in conditions that would be considered torture".
Socky McSockpuppet should stick it.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:48:33am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:48:55am |
re: #271 lawhawk
I don't think the anti-Semitic links will get the media to engage in further investigations. However, the Russian mob connections might - and it goes back to another possible line of charges against those involved in the leak (Assange, Manning, et al.) that I've thought could be applied - RICO charges (whether indictments are handed down here in the US or overseas under similar laws).
If the Russia mob is somehow involved, we're talking about a criminal enterprise, and the release of information could have been secondary to the mob's desire to learn about specific information.
Then again, the Russian mob merely be a front for the Russian government in its desire to bamboozle the US foreign policy and diplomatic efforts.
Now, now, let's not jump from organized cyber-crime to meatworld mafia. There is no connection as of yet. Also, it may have been a mishap on the part of the main WL admins. Note that they redirect(ed) traffic to the mirror but they do not run the mirror:
[Link: www.spamhaus.org...]
So the person running wikileaks.info (which we repeat is in no way connected with Julian Assange or the real Wikileaks organization)...
Let's deal with facts only.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:50:00am |
re: #294 lawhawk
Now that is defaming the word 'torture'. Solitary confinement-- with one hour out a day-- sucks, and is terrible, but is not torture.
Two things from the article don't make sense, though:
(he is not and never has been on suicide watch)
and:
And as is true of many prisoners subjected to warped treatment of this sort, the brig's medical personnel now administer regular doses of anti-depressants to Manning to prevent his brain from snapping from the effects of this isolation.
I'm betting one of those two things ain't true.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:50:29am |
re: #294 lawhawk
He's claiming that Manning has been tortured; "that he was being held in conditions that would be considered torture".
Socky McSockpuppet should stick it.
Yup. This wikileaks thing is bringing out the craziness in a lot of ugly people.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:51:28am |
Also 'brain-snapping' is not a recognized medical phenomenon.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:52:35am |
re: #300 Obdicut
Also 'brain-snapping' is not a recognized medical phenomenon.
You need to talk to Varek's Surgeon General about that.
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laZardo Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:53:12am |
re: #299 Killgore Trout
Anonymous is not only cheering him on, but also savoring Rule 34 between him and FBI agents.
Because someone has to find this stuff so you don't have to.
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rwmofo Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:55:24am |
So, the NY Times thinks those mean old Republicans need to jump on the Obama bandwagon and approve his judicial nominations forthwith. Ya see, the filibuster should NOT be abused by conservative Senators.
"The Senate’s power to advise and consent on federal judicial nominations was intended as a check against sorely deficient presidential choices. It is not a license to exercise partisan influence over these vital jobs by blocking confirmation of entire slates of well-qualified nominees offered by a president of the opposite party."
Well, unless the nominee is a conservative.
"A filibuster is a radical tool. It's easy to see why Democrats are frightened of it. But from our perspective, there are some things far more frightening. One of them is Samuel Alito on the Supreme Court."
Nope. No hypocrisy to see here. Move along.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:55:29am |
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 15, 2010 8:59:59am |
re: #304 rwmofo
So, the NY Times thinks those mean old Republicans need to jump on the Obama bandwagon and approve his judicial nominations forthwith. Ya see, the filibuster should NOT be abused by conservative Senators.
"The Senate’s power to advise and consent on federal judicial nominations was intended as a check against sorely deficient presidential choices. It is not a license to exercise partisan influence over these vital jobs by blocking confirmation of entire slates of well-qualified nominees offered by a president of the opposite party."
Well, unless the nominee is a conservative.
"A filibuster is a radical tool. It's easy to see why Democrats are frightened of it. But from our perspective, there are some things far more frightening. One of them is Samuel Alito on the Supreme Court."
Nope. No hypocrisy to see here. Move along.
I say the filibuster needs to be changed in the following major way...
For every week that a filibuster has been in action, the number of votes needed to reach cloture decreases by one... though it goes back up to 60 if any changes are made to the bill (and starts decreasing again down to 59 next week)
Is there ANY issue that is so complex it can't be explained to the American public to the extent that the majority of the senate can safely act on it after two and a half months?
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:00:55am |
re: #305 Walter L. Newton
Maybe...
"Ach...dee Sviis, Geman and doktors from Vien...always making trouble....If you beat zee child und dress him or her in teeny zailor suits mit cute hats, zee sings vould never happen".
Ach.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:01:18am |
Berkeley City Council tables WikiLeaks resolution
The Berkeley City Council voted last night to table a controversial resolution calling for the release of alleged military whistle blower Private Bradley Manning from military prison and to honor him as a hero if he did leak sensitive information to WikiLeaks.
Virtually all council members and Mayor Tom Bates voted to table the resolution, while District 3 Councilman Max Anderson abstained. By tabling the motion, any council member can bring the issue back for consideration at a future date.
“We’ve gotten to the point in this country,” Anderson said, “where heroes are designed by job category, not action.”
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:01:50am |
re: #296 Sergey Romanov
Or they might have gotten hacked, too.
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:02:07am |
re: #306 jamesfirecat
I say the filibuster needs to be changed in the following major way...
For every week that a filibuster has been in action, the number of votes needed to reach cloture decreases by one... though it goes back up to 60 if any changes are made to the bill (and starts decreasing again down to 59 next week)Is there ANY issue that is so complex it can't be explained to the American public to the extent that the majority of the senate can safely act on it after two and a half months?
That's simple and makes sense.
We're talking about Congress though. It will never happen.
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:02:23am |
re: #300 Obdicut
What? You mean "brain snapping" it isn't in any DSM? You mean he's pulling stuff out of his ass all in his ongoing hatred of supermax and solitary confinement treatment of prisoners? You don't say.
He's torturing the definition of torture out of any rational relationship to its meaning.
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:02:32am |
Besides, I haven't heard of Weirding Modules being passed out to the US military (which can cause heads to explode, bones to shatter, and to kill with a word).
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elizajane Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:03:10am |
Meanwhile on foxi-leaks: starting at time of "Climategate" the editors at Fox told reporters never to mention climate change without stating that the concept was unproven:
“Given the controversy over the veracity of climate change data,” Sammon wrote, “we should refrain from asserting that the planet has warmed (or cooled) in any given period without IMMEDIATELY pointing out that such theories are based upon data that critics have called into question. It is not our place as journalists to assert such notions as facts, especially as this debate intensifies.”
High tone for low journalism.
Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]
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rwmofo Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:03:13am |
re: #308 NJDhockeyfan
Pelosi's constituents actually think she's too conservative. Seriously.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:03:52am |
re: #313 lawhawk
Besides, I haven't heard of Weirding Modules being passed out to the US military (which can cause heads to explode, bones to shatter, and to kill with a word).
Only the Army stoops to weirding modules. Marines have The Voice.
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:04:21am |
re: #309 laZardo
You know nothing. NOTHING!
/ q;
I can say mit great zerrtanty your muzuh never dressed you in a zailor suit.
I am quite sure zere are piktoors of you naked on a rug or in zee bawsstub.
You can deny it but vee know bettuh.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:04:37am |
re: #312 lawhawk
I'm really, really doubting they're not taking precautions against Manning killing himself. That would reflect fucking terribly on them if he did so.
And if they really are giving him anti-depressants-- suicidal impulses are a side-effect.
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AK-47% Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:04:50am |
re: #314 elizajane
Scary part is that they question even the fact that the planet has warmed. That is just head-in-the-sand denialism.
And besides, they are having a record cold snap in Florida, so what's all this Global Warming stuff?
__/
(hockey stick sarc tag)
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:08:15am |
re: #318 Obdicut
I'm really, really doubting they're not taking precautions against Manning killing himself. That would reflect fucking terribly on them if he did so.
And if they really are giving him anti-depressants-- suicidal impulses are a side-effect.
I don't think they'll put him on meds. That could come back and bite them in the ass big time, as in impeding him in assisting with his defense, etc.
As for his being watched 24/7, you can bet the farm on that.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:08:20am |
re: #315 rwmofo
Pelosi's constituents actually think she's too conservative. Seriously.
Here they are letting her know they are not happy...
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cenotaphium Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:09:03am |
re: #285 lawhawk
I'm not familiar with Swedish law, but if the alleged rape claims were ginned up by the two women involved there, they might be subject to similar charges of filing false reports (notwithstanding the other legal issues and hurdles to overcome in making the case against Assange).
They could be subject to perjury and false accusation at least. Proving rape cases is usually hard enough, proving that the accusations were entirely false would likely be even harder. And this despite otherwise good legislation in Sweden (meaning our system puts more weight behind the victim than other systems might).
The case has been a weird rollercoaster, which is unusual. The case was opened, dismissed and then reopened in short succession, based first on a lack of evidence, and then the addition of new evidence. Normally it would not have been dismissed, if the case was still under development. This latest charge of rape is under the stronger legal term "probable" (meaning the evidence is strong).
The people behind the case have had to publicly affirm that Assange isn't to be handed over to the US (or other interested parties) following this trial, as people have seen that as the "true" motivations behind the entire case.
So far, I would say this has been handled well by the authorities. And Assange. He gave himself up without too much bull.
re: #289 Decatur Deb
I'll try to get you SecDef Gates' comment on the impact of WL. Note that the kids phone-bombing LBJ ultimately won.
I thought that was a joke scenario. Interesting. Off to Wikipedia I go!
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:11:15am |
re: #322 NJDhockeyfan
Here they are letting her know they are not happy...
[Video]
Well you know the old saying, if you can get the crazies on the left, and the crazies on the right mad at you, then you must be doing something right!
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researchok Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:13:06am |
Howard Fineman: "Democrat" Is No Longer A Brand
Even I, old-media guy that I am, did not need the Harvard Business Review to tell me that, in the digital age, branding matters.
But I got the new issue anyway, with the cover that reads, "Social Media and the New Rules of Branding." According to B-school gurus, a company must create and vigilantly protect a clear, coherent message about itself if it wants to thrive in the word-of-mouth shark tank. From logo to language to logistics, it all must be of a piece. Consistency matters. A concise identity counts.
Which got me thinking about the Democrats.
As the lame duck tax debate slogs towards its inevitable conclusion -- nearly $1 trillion worth of extended and new tax cuts over two years -- I'm wondering: what does the brand "Democrat" mean?
If anything.
The Republicans don't have a cool logo but their economic brand is vivid. They're the folks who worship the market, or at least claim to. They always want to cut taxes. They pile up deficits while decrying them. They favor pat-a-cake business regulation.
These days, President Obama is trying to refurbish his own (campaign) brand. He and his aides know how crucial this is. After all, Obama was the first presidential candidate in modern times to have a concise, pictorial, non-verbal summary of what he said he stood for. You remember it: a wide, open road leading to a sunny future. Obama was the "O" in hope, the rising sun.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:13:20am |
One hundred percent chance of snow here this afternoon through early tomorrow evening. They are predicting 3-5 inches for the foothills (below 10,000 feet)... that would be the first real accumulation of any note south and east of Interstate 70... about time, it's 3 months late.
I do have to work early evening at Kroger, tonight and tomorrow, 4 hour shifts, but it's at times like this that the job at the supermarket, only 5 miles away, has it's advantages.
Still, that's 5 miles of mountain roads, but better than having to drive 25-35 miles down into Denver.
If you are in the Denver area... drive careful tonight. They are talking about 1-2 inches in the metro area.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:14:13am |
re: #325 researchok
This is old news if you ask me.
"I'm not a member of an organized political party, I'm a democrat!"
As true today as it was then...
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:15:07am |
re: #326 Walter L. Newton
P.S. Gus... stay off the roads tonight :)
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Gus Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:16:05am |
re: #328 Walter L. Newton
P.S. Gus... stay off the roads tonight :)
OK My car insurance ran out anyway.
Still waking up here.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:17:17am |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:17:58am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:18:24am |
re: #330 Gus 802
OK My car insurance ran out anyway.
Still waking up here.
Sorry... go back to sleep... just makes sure you attempt a smokes and coffee (or booze?) run BEFORE this evening. I'm on at 3:45 and off at 8:15... there should be a snow pack on the highway by that time... temperature dropping right now, clouds moving in from the west.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:20:35am |
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:22:42am |
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laZardo Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:23:25am |
re: #317 researchok
I can say mit great zerrtanty your muzuh never dressed you in a zailor suit.
I am quite sure zere are piktoors of you naked on a rug or in zee bawsstub.
You can deny it but vee know bettuh.
Who's saying I'm denying it?
/lol tmi
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:24:17am |
Last night my kids were in the Christmas concert at school. Those 3rd graders really sang their hearts out. They did a fantastic job.
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Gus Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:24:23am |
re: #336 Walter L. Newton
Sorry... go back to sleep... just makes sure you attempt a smokes and coffee (or booze?) run BEFORE this evening. I'm on at 3:45 and off at 8:15... there should be a snow pack on the highway by that time... temperature dropping right now, clouds moving in from the west.
9 News is predicting 2 to 7 inches. We're gonna die!
This is from NOAA:
COLD FRONT WILL MOVE ACROSS NORTHERN COLORADO TODAY BRINGING IN A COOL AND MOIST AIRMASS. SNOW WILL BECOME WIDESPREAD IN THE MOUNTAINS FROM THE DIVIDE WESTWARD THIS MORNING...AND SPREAD ONTO THE PLAINS BY THIS EVENING. MOUNTAIN AND FOOTHILL AREAS WILL HAVE 4 TO 10 INCHES OF SNOW BY THURSDAY MORNING. THE DENVER AREA CAN EXPECT 2 TO 6 INCHES OF SNOW...WITH THE HEAVIEST AMOUNTS IN THE SOUTH AND WEST PARTS OF THE METRO AREA.
First day of winter is the 21st. Can't wait for spring. Denver's been dead. I go for a walk sometimes and it's like being in the wilderness. No hammering, no radial saws, no nail guns.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:24:55am |
I can't wait until summer. About this time of year, every year, I start to get stir crazy.
Also, random insane politician.
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rwmofo Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:25:16am |
re: #325 researchok
"But that leaves Democrats trying to figure out who or what they are. It leaves them looking for leaders, ideas and symbols with which to sell their brand, whatever it now is, in the political marketplace."
So once again, the Democrat Party is looking for that ever elusive "brand" or "label" or "symbols with which to sell their brand" instead of proposing a few good ideas. When your box contains bad ideas, it doesn't matter what label you put on it. It's still a box of bad ideas. Same old story, another year goes by. Heh.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:25:20am |
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Shropshire_Slasher Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:25:43am |
re: #340 NJDhockeyfan
Ditto.
Daughter was last night, son tonight.
Wish I was 8 again
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:26:54am |
re: #343 rwmofo
Politics is propaganda, and propaganda is symbolism. So it goes.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:28:21am |
re: #345 Shropshire_Slasher
Ditto.
Daughter was last night, son tonight.
Wish I was 8 again
They sang
Up on the Housetop, O Christmas Tree, and Wish You a Merry Christmas
. On the way back home they both sang those songs again :)
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:29:12am |
re: #341 Gus 802
9 News is predicting 2 to 7 inches. We're gonna die!
This is from NOAA:
First day of winter is the 21st. Can't wait for spring. Denver's been dead. I go for a walk sometimes and it's like being in the wilderness. No hammering, no radial saws, no nail guns.
Two to seven inches? Like I said, last KOA report I heard was 1-2 in the city, 3-5 in the mountains under 10,000 feet (I'm at 8200, average for Conifer is 8000 feet).
Now 7 or so inches, in the city, could bode nasty for up here... because we always get more than down below... that would make my drive home a bitch, or possibly impossible if it piles up too quickly before I get off at 8:15.
I may actually take a nap in a few minutes. It may be a long evening, especially if the weather makes it difficult for other employees to get in... manager may ask me to stay later.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:30:36am |
re: #340 NJDhockeyfan
Last night my kids were in the Christmas concert at school. Those 3rd graders really sang their hearts out. They did a fantastic job.
I can still remember many of my Christmas pageants.
On year for fun the three wise men were going to be Stephen Hawking, Albert Einstein and Robert Oppenheimer. I was in my teens at this point and so I was playing Stepehn Hawking, though I made sure to Kubric it up a bit by wearing a thick black leather glove on my right hand...
(Though I refrained from making any "MIEN CHRIST I CAN WALK" jokes)
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Gus Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:30:37am |
re: #348 Walter L. Newton
Two to seven inches? Like I said, last KOA report I heard was 1-2 in the city, 3-5 in the mountains under 10,000 feet (I'm at 8200, average for Conifer is 8000 feet).
Now 7 or so inches, in the city, could bode nasty for up here... because we always get more than down below... that would make my drive home a bitch, or possibly impossible if it piles up too quickly before I get off at 8:15.
I may actually take a nap in a few minutes. It may be a long evening, especially if the weather makes it difficult for other employees to get in... manager may ask me to stay later.
The Denver Post is saying high of 50 and rain. Woot! I think they're a little off.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:32:30am |
re: #350 Gus 802
The Denver Post is saying high of 50 and rain. Woot! I think they're a little off.
Conifer temp is 42 right now, dropping to 22 by tonight, been dropping for the last hour.
We have some local weather geeks who post on a local community forum, and their predictions are usually better than the paid professional meteorologists.
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rwmofo Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:33:48am |
re: #347 NJDhockeyfan
They sang
. On the way back home they both sang those songs again :)
Quality time with your elementary-age kids are some of the best times of your life. Then they grow up. Heh.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:34:25am |
re: #355 rwmofo
Quality time with your elementary-age kids are some of the best times of your life. Then they grow up. Heh.
I am dreading the teen years.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:35:28am |
re: #356 NJDhockeyfan
I am dreading the teen years.
You'll be ok... you may get a few pimples... and girls will suddenly be getting some different attention from you, but, it can be a blast... as long as you don't grow man boobs.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:36:44am |
re: #357 Walter L. Newton
You'll be ok... you may get a few pimples... and girls will suddenly be getting some different attention from you, but, it can be a blast... as long as you don't grow man boobs.
Thanks for the advice. I'm getting weird looks right now because of my facial & gray hair.
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rwmofo Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:37:21am |
re: #356 NJDhockeyfan
I am dreading the teen years.
aka "Rectal-Cranial Inversion." The good news is it's temporary.
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laZardo Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:37:28am |
re: #357 Walter L. Newton
You'll be ok... you may get a few pimples... and girls will suddenly be getting some different attention from you, but, it can be a blast... as long as you don't grow man boobs.
And get into sports. NOBODY LIKES THE NERD.
EVEN AFTER COLLEGE.
/ ;_;
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:37:37am |
Wikleaks supporter and 9-11 Truther shoots up school school board meeting....
The Facebook Suicide Note of School Board Shooter Clay Duke
What else is in the profile? Duke's "Favorite Quotes" section contains a number of links to political websites—mostly pretty out-there 9/11-truther-here-comes-the-new-world-order stuff, but also the mainstream liberal Media Matters and, of course, a Wikileaks mirror.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:38:45am |
re: #361 Killgore Trout
Wikleaks supporter and 9-11 Truther shoots up school school board meeting...
The Facebook Suicide Note of School Board Shooter Clay Duke
Politics had nothing to do with this guy... unless we can tie him directly to only the Tea Party... otherwise, he's just crazy.
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rwmofo Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:39:22am |
re: #361 Killgore Trout
Wikleaks supporter and 9-11 Truther shoots up school school board meeting...
The Facebook Suicide Note of School Board Shooter Clay Duke
I wouldn't call that guy a gun nut. He was a nut with a gun.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:40:05am |
re: #361 Killgore Trout
Wikleaks supporter and 9-11 Truther shoots up school school board meeting...
The Facebook Suicide Note of School Board Shooter Clay Duke
Here's his creepy Facebook page.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:40:45am |
re: #362 Walter L. Newton
Politics had nothing to do with this guy... unless we can tie him directly to only the Tea Party... otherwise, he's just crazy.
And he seems to have had a real-world beef with the school board. Local press is starting to heat up on it.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:40:53am |
re: #361 Killgore Trout
Wikleaks supporter and 9-11 Truther shoots up school school board meeting...
The Facebook Suicide Note of School Board Shooter Clay Duke
And an anarchist too....
Duke's "About Me" section also contains lines from a poem—"Masque of Anarchy" by Percy Shelley:
Rise like lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number.
Shake your chains to earth like dew.
Which in sleep has fallen on you.
Ye are many – they are few.Ironically, Shelley's poem is a touchstone of nonviolent resistance.
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laZardo Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:43:07am |
re: #364 NJDhockeyfan
Must resist...temptation...to leave disparaging comment...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:47:35am |
re: #369 Walter L. Newton
Careful out there. We're expecting 4-8 inches out here.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:48:48am |
re: #370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Careful out there. We're expecting 4-8 inches out here.
We are? When?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:49:28am |
re: #310 Obdicut
Or they might have gotten hacked, too.
It could be, but probably they did switch to the mirror themselves. I should note that Spamhaus is known for "blacklisting" whole large swaths of IPs because of problems on only some servers. Webalta seems to be a "safe" hoster in the sense that it doesn't kick out its clients easily, which does make it a dangerous neighborhood in the sense that spammers and malware peddlers would want to use it, but it also explains why someone would want to host a WL mirror there (same logic applies to DNS). As such, wikileaks.info is not necessarily connected to any illegal activity (excepting the wikileaks itself if it is to be described as such).
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:49:58am |
re: #371 NJDhockeyfan
...WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM THIS EVENING THROUGH
FRIDAY MORNING...
...WIND CHILL ADVISORY WILL EXPIRE AT 9 AM EST THIS MORNING...
THE WIND CHILL ADVISORY WILL EXPIRE AT 9 AM EST THIS MORNING. A
WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM THIS EVENING THROUGH
FRIDAY MORNING.
* ACCUMULATION...2 TO 5 INCHES OF SNOW AND SLEET LATE TONIGHT
AND THURSDAY.
* ICE AMOUNTS...A TRACE TO ONE TENTH OF AN INCH OF ICE...MAINLY
THURSDAY AFTERNOON AND THURSDAY NIGHT.
* TIMING...TONIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY MORNING.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:50:41am |
re: #373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oops... 2-5". Someone said the other earlier.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:50:56am |
re: #373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
...WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM THIS EVENING THROUGH
FRIDAY MORNING...
...WIND CHILL ADVISORY WILL EXPIRE AT 9 AM EST THIS MORNING...THE WIND CHILL ADVISORY WILL EXPIRE AT 9 AM EST THIS MORNING. A
WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM THIS EVENING THROUGH
FRIDAY MORNING.* ACCUMULATION...2 TO 5 INCHES OF SNOW AND SLEET LATE TONIGHT
AND THURSDAY.* ICE AMOUNTS...A TRACE TO ONE TENTH OF AN INCH OF ICE...MAINLY
THURSDAY AFTERNOON AND THURSDAY NIGHT.* TIMING...TONIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY MORNING.
I should watch the Weather Channel more often.
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laZardo Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:51:31am |
re: #373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
...WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM THIS EVENING THROUGH
FRIDAY MORNING...
...WIND CHILL ADVISORY WILL EXPIRE AT 9 AM EST THIS MORNING...THE WIND CHILL ADVISORY WILL EXPIRE AT 9 AM EST THIS MORNING. A
WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM THIS EVENING THROUGH
FRIDAY MORNING.* ACCUMULATION...2 TO 5 INCHES OF SNOW AND SLEET LATE TONIGHT
AND THURSDAY.* ICE AMOUNTS...A TRACE TO ONE TENTH OF AN INCH OF ICE...MAINLY
THURSDAY AFTERNOON AND THURSDAY NIGHT.* TIMING...TONIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY MORNING.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:03:33am |
Today was uneasy day in Moscow, with rumors of planned fights between nationalists and Caucasians, with some fights breaking out, with lots of cops around and with about 700 people detained. But then there's this:
[Link: www.rian.ru...]One of the young men detained by the Moscow police hurried to the place of the alleged riot in a makeshift flak jacket made of coins, another came with a samurai sword, a source in the capital's law enforcement body told RIA Novosti.
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:04:42am |
re: #375 NJDhockeyfan
Eh... 2-5 inches? That's a lake effect sneeze.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:04:57am |
Dave Weigel is smearing the Southern Poverty Law Center today.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:06:47am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:07:08am |
re: #380 Charles
He has a soft spot for the far right for some reason.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:08:31am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:08:48am |
[Link: www.slate.com...]
The SPLC, a self-styled civil rights group that spends much of its time classifying right-wing groups as "hate groups,"...
[...]
The SPLC maintains media credibility that, say, People for the American Way lacks*, because it's seen as a dogged research organization that needs to see real danger coming from a group before classifying it as a "hate group." Going after FRC was a big risk for SPLC; I'll be talking to their president, Mark Potok, about this.
*Nothing against PFAW, but I'm talking about the impression that SPLC is not ideological, which is not an impression people have of PFAW.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:10:14am |
The SPLC, a self-styled civil rights group that spends much of its time classifying right-wing groups as "hate groups," has been bugging conservatives with greater and greater frequency since the start of the Tea Party movement.
What a idiot.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:10:57am |
For the gamers: The Humble Indie Bundle #2
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You can support charity. Choose exactly how your purchase money is divided: Between the game developers, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, or the Child's Play Charity. Also, if you like this deal, a tip to the Humble Bundle itself would be much appreciated!
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:12:36am |
re: #379 lawhawk
Eh... 2-5 inches? That's a lake effect sneeze.
I know that and you know that but most people down here are going to fill their fridges with milk & bread today. After 20 years down here I still have no idea why they do that.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:13:21am |
Riots in Rome, 2010-12-14
Across Italy, students, school kids and workers took the the streets to protest Berlusconi but also against the continuing neo-liberal education reforms
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:18:19am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:22:12am |
A huge solar prominence erupted on Dec 6, 2010. This movie shows "cool" solar plasma (60,000-80,000 K, seen in He II 30.4 nm) in red and hot plasma (almost 1 million K, Fe IX 17.1 nm) in yellow, observed with the AIA instrument on SDO.
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Gus Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:22:45am |
re: #380 Charles
Dave Weigel is smearing the Southern Poverty Law Center today.
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Ericus58 Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:27:03am |
re: #388 Killgore Trout
Riots in Rome, 2010-12-14
[Video]
Between Italy and Greece.... it's a mad rush to chaos.
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Gus Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:30:35am |
re: #395 Gus 802
The original is here on page 20:
The surest sign one is losing a debate is to resort to character assassination. The Southern Poverty Law Center, a liberal fundraising machine whose tactics have been condemned by observers across the political spectrum, is doing just that.
The group, which was once known for combating racial bigotry, is now attacking several groups that uphold Judeo-Christian moral views, including marriage as the union of a man and a woman. How does the SPLC attack? By labeling its opponents “hate groups.” No discussion. No consideration of the issues. No engagement. No debate
These type of slanderous tactics have been used against voters who signed petitions and voted for marriage amendments in all thirty states that have considered them, as well as against the millions of Americans who identify with the Tea Party movement. Some on the Left have even impugned the Manhattan Declaration-which upholds the sanctity of life, the value of traditional marriage and the fundamental right of religious freedom-as an anti-gay document and have forced its removal from general communications networks.
This is intolerance pure and simple. Elements of the radical Left are trying to shut down informed discussion of policy issues that are being considered by Congress, legislatures, and the courts. Tell the radical Left it is time to stop spreading hateful rhetoric attacking individuals and organizations merely for expressing ideas with which they disagree. Our debates can and must remain civil - but they must never be suppressed through personal assaults that aim only to malign an opponents character.
You can take action by adding your name to the following statement:
We, the undersigned, stand in solidarity with Family Research Council, American Family Association, Concerned Women of America, National Organization for Marriage, Liberty Counsel and other pro-family organizations that are working to protect and promote natural marriage and family. We support the vigorous but responsible exercise of the First Amendment rights of free speech and religious liberty that are the birthright of all Americans.
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Gus Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:33:48am |
The Senate passed the tax cut deal. 81 to 19.
Next stop the House.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:43:10am |
re: #391 Obdicut
Socialites to the rescue!
Socialites rescue the Anarchist.
Cats and dogs living together. Mass hysteria!
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wrenchwench Wed, Dec 15, 2010 10:47:23am |
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