Romney Shunning Tea Party?

PoliticsJanuary 2011 • Views: 45,989

The Boston Globe reports that former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney seems to be keeping his distance from the Tea Party.

The feeling is mutual. Teabaggers absolutely hate Mitt Romney for many reasons, including his religion, his pro-choice background, and his relative moderation in a field of extremists. It’s not just that Romney is making a choice to stay away from the Tea Party — they don’t want anything to do with him, either.

In recent years, Romney’s made a concerted effort to appeal to the religious right, even appearing at the Values Voter Summit staged by the far right Family Research Council. So don’t be surprised if this article turns out to be premature, and Romney makes a play for teabag support. He’ll need it to have a chance at the GOP nomination in 2012.

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mr.fusion Fri, Jan 21, 2011 1:49:07pm

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jan 21, 2011 1:50:01pm

So don’t be surprised if this article turns out to be premature, and Romney makes a play for teabag support. He’ll need it to have a chance at the GOP nomination in 2012.

I doubt he’ll get it, either way.

Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 21, 2011 1:54:13pm

Romney out to early lead in NH primary, poll says

Mitt Romney has a commanding lead in the crucial primary state of New Hampshire, according to a new poll that shows him 23 points ahead of his next closest Republican rival, former Alaksa Governor Sarah Palin.

He’s already crushing the compitition so I suspect he can win without embracing the Tea parties. This would allow him to run in the general election without the baggage of being affiliated with a bunch of quacks and extremists (unless you count the Republican party itself).

shutdown Fri, Jan 21, 2011 1:55:02pm

Remember he was on Sharron Angle’s Election Committee letter head. At that time, Charles, you said you had already lost all respect for him (or words to that effect).

Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 21, 2011 1:55:49pm

re: #4 imp_62

Remember he was on Sharron Angle’s Election Committee letter head. At that time, Charles, you said you had already lost all respect for him (or words to that effect).

I have lost all respect for him. There’s no possible way I’d ever vote for Mitt Romney.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 1:57:23pm

Wouldn’t he have been slaughtered anyhow over the “Repeal of Obamacare” agenda that is going to be the platform for Republicans for the next couple of years?

garhighway Fri, Jan 21, 2011 1:57:28pm

re: #2 Slumbering Behemoth

I doubt he’ll get it, either way.

It is an interesting tactical problem. If you look at the GOP 2012 field and see a bunch of far right types, then being the one recognizable moderate gets you a less crowded segment of the electorate to work. The problem is that in the GOP primary electorate, there aren’t that many moderates, so you are choosing to win big in a small segment rather than fight 10 others for pieces of the big segment. That should allow you to make the cut for a while, as you would finish in the top 3 in some early primaries. But at some point the weaker righties will drop out, and by then either Mitt has figured out a way to get a bunch of socons to vote for him or he fades out.

So tacking to the center is a good early-round survival strategy, but I’m not seeing how it gets him into April or May.

Fozzie Bear Fri, Jan 21, 2011 1:57:34pm

re: #5 Charles

I have lost all respect for him. There’s no possible way I’d ever vote for Mitt Romney.

That being said, he’s the most sane potential GOP presidential candidate out there, pandering shitbag or not. Wouldn’t you agree?

shutdown Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:00:13pm

re: #8 Fozzie Bear

That being said, he’s the most sane potential GOP presidential candidate out there, pandering shitbag or not. Wouldn’t you agree?

I don’t think you should be applying for jobs with the “Elect Romney” campaign :)

Jeff In Ohio Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:00:14pm

re: #3 Killgore Trout

Romney out to early lead in NH primary, poll says

He’s already crushing the compitition so I suspect he can win without embracing the Tea parties. This would allow him to run in the general election without the baggage of being affiliated with a bunch of quacks and extremists (unless you count the Republican party itself).

What’s after new Hampshire? Seems to me a few GOP hopeful’s made it through Iowa and NH to get crushed in the south and midwest, where being a prochoice mormon who keeps the whackos at a distance is not a winning hand.

Mitt’s the frat boy who brings his pretty girlfriend and bong to the hippy party. When everyone’s done ogling his girl and smoking his dope, he’s welcome to leave.

brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:00:47pm

re: #8 Fozzie Bear

That being said, he’s the most sane potential GOP presidential candidate out there, pandering shitbag or not. Wouldn’t you agree?

I don’t see myself supporting Romney, he is kinda part of the establishment…

Kragar Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:01:23pm

re: #8 Fozzie Bear

That being said, he’s the most sane potential GOP presidential candidate out there, pandering shitbag or not. Wouldn’t you agree?

That little white spot on top of a pile of chickenshit? Well, thats chickenshit too.

Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:01:28pm

re: #6 000G

Wouldn’t he have been slaughtered anyhow over the “Repeal of Obamacare” agenda that is going to be the platform for Republicans for the next couple of years?

True. I think he can win the nomination without the Tea Partiers but he’ll still have to run on a Republican platform; repeal healthcare reform, oppose the bailouts and stimulus that saved the economy, etc. It would be a tough sell.

Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:03:04pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

True. I think he can win the nomination without the Tea Partiers but he’ll still have to run on a Republican platform; repeal healthcare reform, oppose the bailouts and stimulus that saved the economy, etc. It would be a tough sell.

Romney’s big problem is the social conservative wing. He’s a transgressor in several important ways, and the socons are the ones who are really in control of the GOP.

I’d be surprised if he ever wins the GOP nomination.

brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:03:19pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

True. I think he can win the nomination without the Tea Partiers but he’ll still have to run on a Republican platform; repeal healthcare reform, oppose the bailouts and stimulus that saved the economy, etc. It would be a tough sell.

no, he can’t win the nomination, he is yesterday’s new… as I have said before the candidate will be someone shiny & new with no baggage.

blueraven Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:04:37pm

re: #11 brookly red

I don’t see myself supporting Romney, he is kinda part of the establishment…

/ You are not going to vote in the R primary, are you?

albusteve Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:04:46pm

I would say that it is far more important in this day and age, who can get elected, rather than who would make the better president…hence, the most talented people don’t even consider running and involvimg themselves in such a dirty, political shitbath….yet, once elected, We Won! and actual experience and leadership is lost in the orgasmic glow…we suck

shutdown Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:05:06pm

re: #14 Charles

Romney’s big problem is the social conservative wing. He’s a transgressor in several important ways, and the socons are the ones who are really in control of the GOP.

I’d be surprised if he ever wins the GOP nomination.

He has the means to finance an independent run; in a right-tilting political universe, he will manage to look centrist.

brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:05:38pm

re: #16 blueraven

/ You are not going to vote in the R primary, are you?

no I am a registered democrat, as I need to keep telling people :P

blueraven Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:07:15pm

re: #19 brookly red

no I am a registered democrat, as I need to keep telling people :P

OK just wanted to make sure you hadn’t abandoned us!

Decatur Deb Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:07:48pm

re: #15 brookly red

no, he can’t win the nomination, he is yesterday’s new… as I have said before the candidate will be someone shiny & new with no baggage.

Rocky:

[Link: www.rockymusic.org…]

brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:08:21pm

re: #20 blueraven

OK just wanted to make sure you hadn’t abandoned us!

just don’t go to far left…

brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:09:51pm

re: #21 Decatur Deb

Rocky:

I am not sure what to think of that…

shutdown Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:10:23pm

re: #15 brookly red

no, he can’t win the nomination, he is yesterday’s new… as I have said before the candidate will be someone shiny & new with no baggage.

Got a candidate: shiny, no baggage - coming right up

Image: silver-surfer-movie.jpg

researchok Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:10:26pm

Romney will have to do a lot more to distance himself from the TP to rehabilitate himself.

Decatur Deb Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:10:56pm

re: #23 brookly red

Shiny, new, no baggage, borrowed brain—perfect GOP frontrunner.

brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:11:30pm

re: #25 researchok

Romney will have to do a lot more to distance himself from the TP to rehabilitate himself.

Romney owns Romneycare…

albusteve Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:12:09pm

re: #25 researchok

Romney will have to do a lot more to distance himself from the TP to rehabilitate himself.

is America ready for a Mormon president?
(deep toned voice of authority)

brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:12:30pm

re: #26 Decatur Deb

Shiny, new, no baggage, borrowed brain—perfect GOP frontrunner.

my gut says they will run a female… and no not Palin.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:12:37pm

Can somebody please get the Huffington Post to change the version of the Loughner video they embedded in this article? It’s by a white supremacist who links to David Duke on the description page of the clip.

palomino Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:13:04pm

I’m a Dem, but I could live with Romney as Prez, in spite of his craven, almost weekly, position changes. The reason is that he’s not a firebreathing ideologue like most of the other frontrunners. And he seems to believe in things like facts, science and empirical data.

Maybe I’m giving him too much credit, but he’s one of the few contenders who doesn’t make me want to puke and move to France.//////

shutdown Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:14:17pm

re: #31 palomino

You should wait to puke until after you move to France:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Decatur Deb Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:14:54pm

re: #29 brookly red

my gut says they will run a female… and no not Palin.

Too soon for the Gov of South Carolina, Nikki Haley. She needs a couple cycles to establish a track record (or secede).

wrenchwench Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:15:11pm

re: #31 palomino

I’m a Dem, but I could live with Romney as Prez, in spite of his craven, almost weekly, position changes. The reason is that he’s not a firebreathing ideologue like most of the other frontrunners. And he seems to believe in things like facts, science and empirical data.

Maybe I’m giving him too much credit, but he’s one of the few contenders who doesn’t make me want to puke and move to France.///

Maybe he’s going to run as a Democrat.

brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:15:44pm

re: #29 brookly red

my gut says they will run a female… and no not Palin.

Bachmann is in Iowa, BTW…

palomino Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:16:49pm

Of course the reason I feel more comfortable with Romney is what will make it harder for him to get the nod: he’s more moderate, less populist, less of a know-nothing who’s proud to be ignorant.

But this will likely change as he gets closer to Iowa and South Carolina. Alienating the TP in those states is a losing strategy. And, if he loses badly in both those states (2 of the first 3) he probably won’t get the nod.

shutdown Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:17:04pm

re: #35 brookly red

Bachmann is in Iowa, BTW…

It’s kind of ironic… if Bachmann were ever to be President, the majority of people left in this country would be illegal immigrants, since they don’t have a valid passport to get them out of the country.

palomino Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:18:03pm

re: #32 imp_62

You should wait to puke until after you move to France:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

French may be pansies, but they know how to cook. Will puke first at President Palin/Gingrich/Pawlenty/Barbour.

albusteve Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:18:03pm

who could have known that Joseph Smith’s bizarre hallucinations and golden plates would have this effect on American politics all these years later?….if a creationist cannot or should not be elected, I see little difference

wrenchwench Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:18:05pm

re: #30 000G

Can somebody please get the Huffington Post to change the version of the Loughner video they embedded in this article? It’s by a white supremacist who links to David Duke on the description page of the clip.

I’m not registered there, and don’t care to start now, but you make a good point. That’s pretty bad.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:18:14pm

re: #35 brookly red

Bachmann is in Iowa, BTW…

Bachmann getting the GOP nom = Obama getting a second term on a silver platter.

/at least, it should.

brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:18:28pm

re: #33 Decatur Deb

Too soon for the Gov of South Carolina, Nikki Haley. She needs a couple cycles to establish a track record (or secede).

no, maybe not… for better or worse the election of Obama (vs McCain) proves that a long resume is not necessarily a plus.

shutdown Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:19:09pm

re: #38 palomino

French may be pansies, but they know how to cook. Will puke first at President Palin/Gingrich/Pawlenty/Barbour.

I would join you, but would likely move to that great country known as “anywhere but France”

palomino Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:19:25pm

re: #34 wrenchwench

Maybe he’s going to run as a Democrat.

He probably should BE a Dem, given his views of just 5 years ago. But he won’t switch parties this late in the game. He’s invested too much in getting the gop nod, and he’s not any more popular among Dems.

albusteve Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:20:42pm

re: #43 imp_62

I would join you, but would likely move to that great country known as “anywhere but France”

no place is better than the good old USA…if you are that submerged in politics to threaten to leave, you have larger problems…move to NM and let it go, much easier

wrenchwench Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:21:16pm

re: #44 palomino

He probably should BE a Dem, given his views of just 5 years ago. But he won’t switch parties this late in the game. He’s invested too much in getting the gop nod, and he’s not any more popular among Dems.

In other words, he’s screwed.

brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:21:36pm

re: #41 Slumbering Behemoth

Bachmann getting the GOP nom = Obama getting a second term on a silver platter.

/at least, it should.

as Confucius said, expect the unexpected…

recusancy Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:21:39pm

re: #45 albusteve

no place is better than the good old USA…if you are that submerged in politics to threaten to leave, you have larger problems…move to NM and let it go, much easier

Let it go? Aren’t you always on here bitching about the Feds?

Decatur Deb Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:21:56pm

Dems would see Romney as a sane opponent, not The Enemy—and that’s why he isn’t getting past the primaries.

palomino Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:21:57pm

re: #43 imp_62

I would join you, but would likely move to that great country known as “anywhere but France”

Just joking about France because American celebs are always threatening to move there for political reasons (as Johnny Depp actually did). Would probably just go to Great White North if really wanted to move; maybe England.

Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:21:58pm

I was going to post a reply to the latest “St. Pancake” silliness, but decided it’s not worth the effort unless the nuts get crazier than they are now.

Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:22:17pm

re: #39 albusteve

who could have known that Joseph Smith’s bizarre hallucinations and golden plates would have this effect on American politics all these years later?…if a creationist cannot or should not be elected, I see little difference

Creationism is part of the True Word of God, as interpreted by fundamentalist Protestant Christianity.

Mormonism lies outside the pale of those religions, along with Catholicism, Judaism and now even Episcopalianism (the latter for allowing gay marriage)

But seriously: Romney has the problem faced by and moderate Republican: anyone moderate enough to stand a chance in the general election has no chance of winning the party’s nomination.

shutdown Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:23:09pm

re: #45 albusteve

no place is better than the good old USA…if you are that submerged in politics to threaten to leave, you have larger problems…move to NM and let it go, much easier

Even a great country can be run into the ground by poor leadership. No sense hiding from it, even somewhere as pretty as NM.

shutdown Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:23:40pm

re: #51 Charles

I was going to post a reply to the latest “St. Pancake” silliness, but decided it’s not worth the effort unless the nuts get crazier than they are now.

Let it die. It is bait they are dangling, praying you take it.

webevintage Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:23:46pm

He is a Morman and in the end the social conservatives and the tea party extremists will keep him from becoming the nominee.

Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:25:05pm

McCain wanted Joe Liebermann as a running mate, and would’ve stood a much better chance with him, but his party would not have it.

Or rather, the religious right would’ve abandoned the party and nominated their own candidate.

brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:25:29pm

re: #53 imp_62

Even a great country can be run into the ground by poor leadership. No sense hiding from it, even somewhere as pretty as NM.

damn skippy… I think we are bearing witness to that

palomino Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:25:41pm

re: #29 brookly red

my gut says they will run a female… and no not Palin.

There aren’t any on the radar. Last time they chose someone off the radar—Palin—it blew up in their faces.

The nominee will likely be someone we’ve already heard of. Can’t wait much longer to get started (ask Fred Thompson or Giuliani how the late game worked in 2008). You need volunteers, contributors, speechwriters, campaign advisors and staff. That can’t be put together at last minute. The frontrunners already have the organization put in place.

albusteve Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:26:04pm

re: #46 wrenchwench

In other words, he’s screwed.

if the TP is as strong as they say, of course he’s screwed

palomino Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:26:28pm

re: #39 albusteve

who could have known that Joseph Smith’s bizarre hallucinations and golden plates would have this effect on American politics all these years later?…if a creationist cannot or should not be elected, I see little difference

Currently reading a bio of Smith. What a loon.

shutdown Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:26:48pm

re: #59 albusteve

if the TP is as strong as they say, of course he’s screwed

Strong TP gives me a rash on my butt.

brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:27:19pm

re: #58 palomino

There aren’t any on the radar. Last time they chose someone off the radar—Palin—it blew up in their faces.

The nominee will likely be someone we’ve already heard of. Can’t wait much longer to get started (ask Fred Thompson or Giuliani how the late game worked in 2008). You need volunteers, contributors, speechwriters, campaign advisors and staff. That can’t be put together at last minute. The frontrunners already have the organization put in place.

perhaps, but I say no…

albusteve Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:27:24pm

re: #48 recusancy

Let it go? Aren’t you always on here bitching about the Feds?

hell yes, why aren’t you?….oh, I forgot

Merkin Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:27:26pm

re: #44 palomino
An illusion, the Republicans moved further to the right away from him.

Barry Goldwater joked that the Republicans had moved so far right that he was a liberal. That was in the early 90’s. If he was around now he would be knocked out to Communist, at least.

webevintage Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:27:45pm

re: #58 palomino

There aren’t any on the radar. Last time they chose someone off the radar—Palin—it blew up in their faces.

Kay Bailey Hutchinson?

palomino Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:28:15pm

re: #62 brookly red

perhaps, but I say no…

a well considered response, quite cogent.

palomino Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:29:08pm

re: #64 Merkin

An illusion, the Republicans moved further to the right away from him.

Barry Goldwater joked that the Republicans had moved so far right that he was a liberal. That was in the early 90’s. If he was around now he would be knocked out to Communist, at least.

Which is why, I suppose, the gop now opposes plans they once supported…like the basic structure of HCR.

shutdown Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:30:06pm

WIfe home. GTG, have a great evening.

albusteve Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:30:26pm

re: #52 ralphieboy

Creationism is part of the True Word of God, as interpreted by fundamentalist Protestant Christianity.

Mormonism lies outside the pale of those religions, along with Catholicism, Judaism and now even Episcopalianism (the latter for allowing gay marriage)

But seriously: Romney has the problem faced by and moderate Republican: anyone moderate enough to stand a chance in the general election has no chance of winning the party’s nomination.

I see little difference in electability….I thought that was clear

palomino Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:30:28pm

re: #65 webevintage

Kay Bailey Hutchinson?

She couldn’t even get elected gov of Texas, losing to hair model Rick Perry. She’s a moderate in today’s GOP. And she just doesn’t have that easy gladhanding charm of a Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama, even Palin.

brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:30:57pm

re: #66 palomino

a well considered response, quite cogent.

re: #66 palomino

a well considered response, quite cogent.

well how many words does it take to say I disagree?

palomino Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:31:33pm

re: #71 brookly red

re: #66 palomino

well how many words does it take to say I disagree?

Merkin Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:32:29pm

re: #67 palomino

Which is why, I suppose, the gop now opposes plans they once supported…like the basic structure of HCR.

Including their poison pill, the individual mandate, invented by Robert Dole and friends, 1993.

sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:32:46pm

re: #72 palomino

1

Actually,, 2

1) I
2) Disagree

just sayin!!!
/

MinisterO Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:33:22pm

Romney’s presidential hopes are pretty slim. I can’t see the party doing anything other than doubling down on the wingnuttery for 2012. They tried moderate last time around and were displeased with the results.

Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:33:38pm

re: #69 albusteve

I see little difference in electability…I thought that was clear

He is a Mormon, but he does not wear it on his sleeve and make a major issue out of, as do a lot of “Christian Naion” conservatives.

sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:34:22pm

re: #63 albusteve

Hey
I just “heard” from Walter

He’s at the Louvre looking at the nudes!

((umm,, statues!!))

albusteve Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:35:23pm

re: #77 sattv4u2

Hey
I just “heard” from Walter

He’s at the Louvre looking at the nudes!

((umm,, statues!!))

I imagine he is on cloud 9…a tour guide this time

Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:35:53pm

re: #75 MinisterO

Romney’s presidential hopes are pretty slim. I can’t see the party doing anything other than doubling down on the wingnuttery for 2012. They tried moderate last time around and were displeased with the results.

Yes and no, the had Palin foisted on them as a concession to retain the support of the Religious Right, and in the end she was a major factor in McCain losing the election (other factors being Bush’s dismal record and McCain’s inability to articulate why he would be the better choice of candidates)

But you are right, there is no chance of a moderate gaining the nomination, it will be wingnut city when it comes to picking a nominee and the most wingéd nut will prevail.

brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:36:05pm

re: #74 sattv4u2

Actually,, 2

1) I
2) Disagree

just sayin!!!
/

well I just find it so odd that some people get all over my case for being conservative & then turn around and tell me I don’t know/understand how conservatives think… it is a puzzelment.

Velvet Elvis Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:36:58pm

South Park Creators New Comedy-Musical, The Book of Mormon

sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:37:08pm

re: #80 brookly red

well I just find it so odd that some people get all over my case for being conservative & then turn around and tell me I don’t know/understand how conservatives think… it is a puzzelment.

Truth be told,, I just logged in and don’t even know what you/they are talking about

Just played off the “how many words” post

brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:39:34pm

re: #82 sattv4u2

Truth be told,, I just logged in and don’t even know what you/they are talking about

Just played off the “how many words” post

in 25 words or less, the same people who don’t like the way I think, tell me I don’t think that way? OK, whatever.

Political Atheist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:41:37pm

What ever happened to keeping your religion out of your job? I get it the socons find that unacceptable, and damn them for it. No sensible person want a theocracy here, of any kind.

But hey the socons will not hold sway forever. These things come and go over time. John Kennedy was the right man with the “wrong” religion. How many of us are sorry he got elected? How many good men for the job shall we dismiss over religion or a lack thereof?

Merkin Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:41:37pm

Good news, all of this speculation has been rendered mute. Newt is going to run. The Republic is saved! The Republic is saved!

wrenchwench Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:42:17pm

re: #81 Conservative Moonbat

Did you see the recent honor bestowed upon you?

brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:42:32pm

re: #81 Conservative Moonbat

South Park Creators New Comedy-Musical, The Book of Mormon

/behead those who insult Mormons… sheesh they are really going out on a limb with that one.

freetoken Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:43:00pm

Related to the story about the extreme anti-gay agenda of the group that is organizing early visits to Iowa by GOP hopefuls, about which I posted this morning, it appears as if Romney is keep his distance from them (unlike the rest of the GOP wanna-be candidates):

Iowa Social Conservative Group Says They Can’t Reach Mitt Romney

Leaders of a prominent social conservative group in Iowa that is organizing a series of forums with potential GOP presidential candidates said that they have been getting the cold shoulder from Mitt Romney.

The Family Leader announced on Thursday that former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty will headline the first installment of its Presidential Lecture Series on Feb. 7 and that former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., and businessman Herman Cain will also take part in the series over the next few months.

The group also invited former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, South Dakota Sen. John Thune, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, and Rep. Mike Pence, R-Indiana.

Romney, the former Massachusetts governor and 2008 presidential candidate, was not listed as one of the invitees.

“We have made several attempts to reach Gov. Romney or those close to him in order to extend an invitation to our Presidential Lecture Series. None of those attempts have been successful as of today,” said the group’s spokesman Chris Nitzschke.

[…]

“The Family Leader” is an extremely religious conservative group.

MinisterO Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:43:47pm

re: #79 ralphieboy

Yes and no, the had Palin foisted on them as a concession to retain the support of the Religious Right, and in the end she was a major factor in McCain losing the election (other factors being Bush’s dismal record and McCain’s inability to articulate why he would be the better choice of candidates)

I agree with you, but I can’t tell you how often I’ve read that Palin was a positive for that ticket. A couple years before the election I said I’d vote for McCain if he ran. He seemed so sensible at the time. The VP pick ruined it for me.

Regardless, given the subsequent behavior of that duo it’s pretty clear that America made the better choice.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:44:01pm

re: #41 Slumbering Behemoth

Bachmann getting the GOP nom = Obama getting a second term on a silver platter.

/at least, it should.

if Bachmann becomes president, I’m going to start a punk band on general principle

Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:45:14pm

re: #85 Merkin

Good news, all of this speculation has been rendered mute. Newt is going to run. The Republic is saved! The Republic is saved!

President Newt Gingrich.

Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:45:15pm

Beck Explains His “You’re Going To Have To Shoot Them In Head” Comments

Velvet Elvis Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:45:53pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

Did you see the recent honor bestowed upon you?

I’m honored.

Decatur Deb Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:46:09pm

re: #88 freetoken

Related to the story about the extreme anti-gay agenda of the group that is organizing early visits to Iowa by GOP hopefuls, about which I posted this morning, it appears as if Romney is keep his distance from them (unlike the rest of the GOP wanna-be candidates):

Iowa Social Conservative Group Says They Can’t Reach Mitt Romney

“The Family Leader” is an extremely religious conservative group.

Maybe Romney actually wants to be able to face his family more than he wants to be president.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:46:31pm

re: #28 albusteve

is America ready for a Mormon president?
(deep toned voice of authority)

It’s an undeniably American religion…why the hell not?

Velvet Elvis Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:46:40pm

re: #90 WindUpBird

if Bachmann becomes president, I’m going to start a punk band on general principle

Can I play bass?

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:46:47pm

re: #85 Merkin

Good news, all of this speculation has been rendered mute. Newt is going to run. The Republic is saved! The Republic is saved!

He might just get the nomination!

And then he’ll be politically demoleculized by Obama

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:47:00pm

re: #29 brookly red

my gut says they will run a female… and no not Palin.

Kay Bailey Hutchinson!!

///

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:47:06pm

re: #96 Conservative Moonbat

Can I play bass?

sure! I get to sing and play feedback :D

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:47:09pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

I’m not registered there, and don’t care to start now, but you make a good point. That’s pretty bad.

It’s even got that copy of the video featured on YouTube last week or so. And it’s still in there, I can’t believe nobody kicked them in the butt over that yet.

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brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:47:17pm

re: #96 Conservative Moonbat

Can I play bass?

/can you count to 4?

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Decatur Deb Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:47:59pm

re: #97 WindUpBird

He might just get the nomination!

And then he’ll be politically demoleculized by Obama

Newt is pro-marriage, very pro-marriage.

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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:48:04pm

re: #96 Conservative Moonbat

Can I play bass?

Bachmann-Stomach-Turner-Overdrive?

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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:48:07pm

An alternate view:

Romney just might be betting that the tea party movement will be completely discredited by the time the primaries get serious. I know this is a minority view here but the crazy cannot get a lot worse without spilling over into outright terrorism. In fact, it already has in some cases. I’m not thinking about Tucson so much as the Glenn Beck fanatic who was shot by police on his way to shoot up the Tides Foundation, and the two police officers killed by a “sovereign citizen” fanatic in Arkansas.
Romney is distancing himself as much as he can, as early as he can. It is obviously a gamble for him since the tea party could continue to flourish. It is the best chance he has though and he is shrewd to be taking it.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:48:11pm

The Michelle Bachmann Commemorative Orchestra

we need at least one theremin player

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:48:16pm

re: #35 brookly red

Bachmann is in Iowa, BTW…

My heart is soaring.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:48:23pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

Beck Explains His “You’re Going To Have To Shoot Them In Head” Comments

Did he ever “explain” when he called the wife of a rivel DJ live on air and mocked her for having had a miscarriage just days ago?

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sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:48:28pm

re: #84 Rightwingconspirator

John Kennedy was the right man with the “wrong” religion. How many of us are sorry he got elected?

I agree, but it was a big issue at the time (1959/60) that as President he was going to be taking orders from The Vatican.

Same Crazy ,, Different Decade

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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:48:29pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

Beck Explains His “You’re Going To Have To Shoot Them In Head” Comments

Heh. Beck sticks to defense that democratic voters are going to shoot dem politicians in the head.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:48:53pm

re: #102 Decatur Deb

Newt is pro-marriage, very pro-marriage.

He’s so pro he could teach graduate level marrage, lol

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MinisterO Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:49:04pm

re: #28 albusteve

is America ready for a Mormon president?
(deep toned voice of authority)

Some people are saying…

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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:49:32pm

re: #110 WindUpBird

He’s so pro he could teach graduate level marrage, lol

Yes, but only one wife at a time….

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:49:35pm

re: #107 000G

Did he ever “explain” when he called the wife of a rivel DJ live on air and mocked her for having had a miscarriage just days ago?

THAT sounds like Morning Zoo radio biz schtick, shock DJs have done way worse

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Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:49:44pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

Beck Explains His “You’re Going To Have To Shoot Them In Head” Comments

He’s lying - got the lie straight from Patterico. Nobody said he was telling his audience to shoot people in the head. Nobody. And the full context was right there from the beginning - the YouTube video had a link to the full transcript.

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sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:49:44pm

BRB

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Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:50:06pm

And his explanation of the comments is just as creepy and insane.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:50:20pm

re: #107 000G

Did he ever “explain” when he called the wife of a rivel DJ live on air and mocked her for having had a miscarriage just days ago?

what’s funny is I bet Beck got that from Stern, because Stern mocked his own wife’s miscarriage live on the air

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:50:21pm

re: #43 imp_62

I would join you, but would likely move to that great country known as “anywhere but France”

I hear it’s nice there this time of year.

If I ever left the U.S., it would probably be for Ireland. Or Israel, but my husband wouldn’t cope very well.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:50:42pm

re: #113 WindUpBird

THAT sounds like Morning Zoo radio biz schtick, shock DJs have done way worse

Yeah, but this shock jock became the poster boy for the Tea Party on national TV.

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brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:50:49pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Heh. Beck sticks to defense that democratic voters are going to shoot dem politicians in the head.

well if that were to happen some one would have had to have taught them how to thumb down the safety…

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freetoken Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:50:49pm

re: #94 Decatur Deb

Maybe Romney actually wants to be able to face his family more than he wants to be president.

Or, he just realizes that the far right hates him anyway.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:50:51pm

re: #50 palomino

Just joking about France because American celebs are always threatening to move there for political reasons (as Johnny Depp actually did). Would probably just go to Great White North if really wanted to move; maybe England.

Vancouver would be fine.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:51:29pm

re: #114 Charles

He’s lying - got the lie straight from Patterico. Nobody said he was telling his audience to shoot people in the head. Nobody. And the full context was right there from the beginning - the YouTube video had a link to the full transcript.

so did this slingshot back, Beck made the statement, it was discovered, Patterico fashioned this work of art out of marble, and now Beck’s borrowed the lie back and has made it his?

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:52:06pm

re: #55 webevintage

He is a Morman and in the end the social conservatives and the tea party extremists will keep him from becoming the nominee.

As I always say, to a total outsider, Mormonism looks just like Evangelical Christianity, with extra prophets and really clean living.

I realize there’s more to it than that, but I don’t really SEE it.

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freetoken Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:52:12pm

re: #116 Charles

And his explanation of the comments is just as creepy and insane.

Which is exactly what his original rant was, too.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:52:17pm

re: #119 000G

Yeah, but this shock jock became the poster boy for the Tea Party on national TV.

And that’s how he did it, is he honed his chops doing zoo radio, and then applied those chops to manipulating and reflecting the values of populists and bircher crazies

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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:52:21pm

re: #114 Charles

He’s lying - got the lie straight from Patterico. Nobody said he was telling his audience to shoot people in the head. Nobody. And the full context was right there from the beginning - the YouTube video had a link to the full transcript.

yup, he’s still fearmongering that people are going to have to kill or be killed. Later in the clip he starts talking about Bill Ayers is going to send him to a death camp.

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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:52:54pm

re: #123 WindUpBird

so did this slingshot back, Beck made the statement, it was discovered, Patterico fashioned this work of art out of marble, and now Beck’s borrowed the lie back and has made it his?

Yup, that’s pretty much it.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:53:16pm

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

As I always say, to a total outsider, Mormonism looks just like Evangelical Christianity, with extra prophets and really clean living.

I realize there’s more to it than that, but I don’t really SEE it.

they have better architects!

Mormon temples look like something out of Final Fantasy, evangelical megachurches look like community college auditoriums

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:53:23pm

re: #58 palomino

There aren’t any on the radar. Last time they chose someone off the radar—Palin—it blew up in their faces.

The nominee will likely be someone we’ve already heard of. Can’t wait much longer to get started (ask Fred Thompson or Giuliani how the late game worked in 2008). You need volunteers, contributors, speechwriters, campaign advisors and staff. That can’t be put together at last minute. The frontrunners already have the organization put in place.

Debra Saunders is getting interested in Gary Johnson, but he wants to cut Social Security and Medicare, and is, therefore, I think, totally nonviable.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:53:25pm

re: #117 WindUpBird

what’s funny is I bet Beck got that from Stern, because Stern mocked his own wife’s miscarriage live on the air

I think it’s a significant difference whether it’s your own wife or your rival’s wife you are doing it to. Akin to the difference of consummating a marriage and adultery, but even nastier.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:53:39pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Yup, that’s pretty much it.

I think I need to go back to school for Forensic Opinion

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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:53:50pm

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

Problem is, the Republicans are going to be looking for a candidate who really puts their (Protestant Christian) religion up front and center in their politics.

Romney would not be able to do that with his Mormonism, and that is enough to keep him out of the running.

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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:53:53pm

on TV tonight: Beck: My Show “Hasn’t Been About Hateful Rhetoric”

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zora Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:54:25pm

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

As I always say, to a total outsider, Mormonism looks just like Evangelical Christianity, with extra prophets and really clean living.

I realize there’s more to it than that, but I don’t really SEE it.

yeah, but social conservative are not outsiders. evangelicals and lots of mainstream christians refer to mormonism as a cult. i don’t think they will be able to overlook it.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:54:30pm

re: #85 Merkin

Good news, all of this speculation has been rendered mute. Newt is going to run. The Republic is saved! The Republic is saved!

I think you mean ‘moot’. But maybe not.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:54:53pm

re: #131 000G

I think it’s a significant difference whether it’s your own wife or your rival’s wife you are doing it to. Akin to the difference of consummating a marriage and adultery, but even nastier.

I agree, but that’s radio, it’s full of zany shit and personalities just running around with no governance on their actions

Opie and Anthony dissed Don Geronimo after his wife died, Tom leykis and Hendrie have had a feud for years

google “Hold your wee for a Wii” to see what radio is REALLY capable of.

RADIO!

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:55:02pm

re: #126 WindUpBird

And that’s how he did it, is he honed his chops doing zoo radio, and then applied those chops to manipulating and reflecting the values of populists and bircher crazies

Yeah, I get that. Still, I would love to hear his “explanation” for that miscarriage “stunt” now, because now he talks to the middle-to-senior-aged Tea Party crowd.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:55:24pm

re: #87 brookly red

/behead those who insult Mormons… sheesh they are really going out on a limb with that one.

Not all social satire needs to be measured against a ‘Beheading Probability’ chart to be relevent.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:55:26pm

re: #135 zora

yeah, but social conservative are not outsiders. evangelicals and lots of mainstream christians refer to mormonism as a cult. i don’t think they will be able to overlook it.

well, takes one to know one :D

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freetoken Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:55:52pm

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

Mormonism certainly loses Romney some support among the more fundamentalists.

However, even more than that is his other great sin - he’s just not reactionary enough. He’s too middle of the road. Milquetoast in the eyes of wingnuts.

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brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:56:03pm

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

I think you mean ‘moot’. But maybe not.

no Newt is moot… too much baggage.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:56:18pm

re: #138 000G

Yeah, I get that. Still, I would love to hear his “explanation” for that miscarriage “stunt” now, because now he talks to the middle-to-senior-aged Tea Party crowd.

I’m sure his crowd could care less

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Decatur Deb Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:56:56pm

re: #142 brookly red

no Newt is moot… too much baggage.

He’s GOP. They rent people to carry their luggage.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:56:59pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

Not all social satire needs to be measured against a ‘Beheading Probability’ chart to be relevent.

Starting a band called Beheading Probability

we’ll do math rock about math and executions

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Velvet Elvis Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:57:01pm

I’ve got to go back and read that earlier thread.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:57:06pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Heh. Beck sticks to defense that democratic voters are going to shoot dem politicians in the head.

As a Democratic voter, and someone who knows many others, I have to say: no, we’re not. We’re going to eat more Pringles, and take the dog to the park.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:57:26pm

re: #141 freetoken

Mormonism certainly loses Romney some support among the more fundamentalists.

However, even more than that is his other great sin - he’s just not reactionary enough. He’s too middle of the road. Milquetoast in the eyes of wingnuts.

mormon + health care reform record = unelectable

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:57:41pm

re: #147 SanFranciscoZionist

As a Democratic voter, and someone who knows many others, I have to say: no, we’re not. We’re going to eat more Pringles, and take the dog to the park.

only the BBQ kind

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:57:49pm

re: #137 WindUpBird

I agree, but that’s radio, it’s full of zany shit and personalities just running around with no governance on their actions

Opie and Anthony dissed Don Geronimo after his wife died, Tom leykis and Hendrie have had a feud for years

google “Hold your wee for a Wii” to see what radio is REALLY capable of.

RADIO!

I get that. I get “zoos”. Still, a rival’s wife, over a miscarriage? Going after helpless family members and mocking them (not the rival personally) for a traumatic experience?

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:57:50pm

re: #120 brookly red

well if that were to happen some one would have had to have taught them how to thumb down the safety…

That someone probably won’t be Glenn Beck.

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brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:57:57pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

Not all social satire needs to be measured against a ‘Beheading Probability’ chart to be relevent.

I believe it was religious satire, if I am wrong then I retract … was I?

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:58:11pm

re: #143 WindUpBird

I’m sure his crowd could care less

Enh. They are family peope.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:58:27pm

re: #150 000G

I get that. I get “zoos”. Still, a rival’s wife, over a miscarriage? Going after helpless family members and mocking them (not the rival personally) for a traumatic experience?

I’m sorry, I’ve just heard SO MUCH WORSE from radio guys

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:58:30pm

re: #153 000G

Also: “could NOT” (care less). Pat peeve.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:58:48pm

hah. PET! PIMF!

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:58:51pm

re: #127 Killgore Trout

yup, he’s still fearmongering that people are going to have to kill or be killed. Later in the clip he starts talking about Bill Ayers is going to send him to a death camp.

That sounds likely to happen.

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brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:58:58pm

re: #144 Decatur Deb

He’s GOP. They rent people to carry their luggage.

bad, Deb, bad ;)

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Velvet Elvis Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:59:47pm

Karl Marx is Nancy Pelosi’s George Washington?

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:59:56pm

re: #154 WindUpBird

I’m sorry, I’ve just heard SO MUCH WORSE from radio guys

Nothing of what you listed sounded worse.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:00:15pm

re: #153 000G

Enh. They are family peope.

they’re loyal followers, they’re no more or less “family” than anyone, that’s a brand, not the truth.

They’re followers of his rhetoric first, no unearthed Glenn Beck bon mot from the 90’s or whatever will ever shake that

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:00:31pm

re: #145 WindUpBird

Starting a band called Beheading Probability

we’ll do math rock about math and executions

I’m sticking with my own band name: “Doomberg and the Jihadis”.

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Tigger2 Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:00:34pm

re: #91 Charles

President Newt Gingrich.

Not getting my vote.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:00:53pm

re: #149 WindUpBird

only the BBQ kind

I like the sour cream and onion ones.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:01:46pm

re: #152 brookly red

I believe it was religious satire, if I am wrong then I retract … was I?

I was thinking about religious satire as a subset of social satire, but if we consider them different categories then yes, religious.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:01:48pm

re: #161 WindUpBird

they’re loyal followers, they’re no more or less “family” than anyone, that’s a brand, not the truth.

I meant family as in they are all predominantly socons and emphasizing traditional family “values”. Not that they are his family.

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CuriousLurker Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:02:13pm

Hi, everyone. Just coming out of lurk mode for a sec.

re: #154 WindUpBird

WUB, is it okay if I email you? I have your GMail addy from last time you had it attached to your nic.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:02:19pm

re: #160 000G

Nothing of what you listed sounded worse.

KILLING A WOMAN FOR A CONTEST ISN’T WORSE?!? [Link: www.thesmokinggun.com…]

tough crowd, dude :D

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:02:25pm

re: #159 Conservative Moonbat

Karl Marx is Nancy Pelosi’s George Washington?

???

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:02:26pm

re: #167 CuriousLurker

Hi, everyone. Just coming out of lurk mode for a sec.

WUB, is it okay if I email you? I have your GMail addy from last time you had it attached to your nic.

go for it!

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:03:48pm

re: #166 000G

I meant family as in they are all predominantly socons and emphasizing traditional family “values”. Not that they are his family.

I know what you meant

What I’m saying is they don’t care. They just don’t care. They’re not actually pro any kind of family, that’s just a brand that equals dominionism, anti-gay, etc.

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brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:04:06pm

re: #154 WindUpBird

I’m sorry, I’ve just heard SO MUCH WORSE from radio guys

well in a purely hypothetical situation, if I was on a jury where the defendant was accused of beating the shit out of some a-hole that made fun of his wife losing a baby, I guess that a-hole would walk… in a purely hypothetical situation.

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researchok Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:04:11pm

re: #164 SanFranciscoZionist

I like the sour cream and onion ones.

Sour cream…onions…

Can you see the steppes from your backyard?

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:05:02pm

re: #168 WindUpBird

KILLING A WOMAN FOR A CONTEST ISN’T WORSE?!? [Link: www.thesmokinggun.com…]

tough crowd, dude :D

Oh. I didn’t bother to google. My bad.

I still think that that should be counted as an accident. I will presume they did not intend to kill that woman.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:05:21pm

re: #172 brookly red

well in a purely hypothetical situation, if I was on a jury where the defendant was accused of beating the shit out of some a-hole that made fun of his wife losing a baby, I guess that a-hole would walk… in a purely hypothetical situation.

what does this have to do with a discussion about the relative outrageousness of radio personalities

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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:05:43pm

re: #171 WindUpBird

I know what you meant

What I’m saying is they don’t care. They just don’t care. They’re not actually pro any kind of family, that’s just a brand that equals dominionism, anti-gay, etc.

They are for the kind of family where mom stays home and raises the kids, provides for their religious upbringing, obeys her husband and keeps her mouth shut except to criticize those who threaten her way of life or do not live up to her moral standards.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:05:45pm

re: #171 WindUpBird

I know what you meant

What I’m saying is they don’t care. They just don’t care. They’re not actually pro any kind of family, that’s just a brand that equals dominionism, anti-gay, etc.

I didn’t say they “cared”. What I said was that I am interested in how Beck would “explain” it to them.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:06:10pm

re: #174 000G

Oh. I didn’t bother to google. My bad.

I still think that that should be counted as an accident. I will presume they did not intend to kill that woman.

What i’m saying is, endangering the lives of people is worse than being mean on the radio ;-)

Also see: Opie and Anthony contest participants humping it out in a New York catholic church

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:06:19pm

re: #177 000G

I didn’t say they “cared”. What I said was that I am interested in how Beck would “explain” it to them.

he wouldn’t

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Decatur Deb Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:06:29pm

re: #172 brookly red

In Alabama that’s called the “Bastard Had It Coming Defense.” Sometimes works.

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prairiefire Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:06:35pm

re: #175 WindUpBird

what does this have to do with a discussion about the relative outrageousness of radio personalities

Glenn Beck did this as an on air personality. Called up some dude’s wife who had just lost a baby and said something like “he couldn’t even get this right.”

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:06:53pm

re: #179 WindUpBird

he wouldn’t

I am sure if it got enough media traction he would adress it. He is too much of a media whore to ignore such things.

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Velvet Elvis Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:07:18pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

???

It’s something Beck said in his response, or something like it.

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CuriousLurker Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:07:20pm

re: #170 WindUpBird

go for it!

Thanks! I’ll send you a test email in a couple of minutes just to be sure I wrote it down right, then I’ll follow up later.

Have fun, lizards. *waves @ room*.

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brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:07:46pm

re: #175 WindUpBird

what does this have to do with a discussion about the relative outrageousness of radio personalities

your short term memory seems to be, uh, impaired ?

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brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:09:02pm

re: #181 prairiefire

Glenn Beck did this as an on air personality. Called up some dude’s wife who had just lost a baby and said something like “he couldn’t even get this right.”

In NY we call it GP… but not often enough.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:09:08pm

re: #181 prairiefire

Glenn Beck did this as an on air personality. Called up some dude’s wife who had just lost a baby and said something like “he couldn’t even get this right.”

So did Opie and Anthony. They did a lot more than that when frida died *shrug*

I can’t stand the guy either, but honestly, his radio behavior doesn’t even rate, and I’m a total hypocrite if I claim I didn’t listen to guys who did worse.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:09:23pm

re: #178 WindUpBird

What i’m saying is, endangering the lives of people is worse than being mean on the radio ;-)

As a result, sure. But when it comes to intentions, one was about making people feel uncomfortable due to full bladders and the other was about making the wife of a rival uncomfortable (and thus by proxy, making the rival uncomfortable) by mocking her on air in front of a listening audience for having had a miscarriage recently.

Have you ever been a witness to a miscarriage?

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:09:48pm

re: #188 000G

As a result, sure. But when it comes to intentions, one was about making people feel uncomfortable due to full bladders and the other was about making the wife of a rival uncomfortable (and thus by proxy, making the rival uncomfortable) by mocking her on air in front of a listening audience for having had a miscarriage recently.

Have you ever been a witness to a miscarriage?

This conversation is getting sorta weird ;-)

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Decatur Deb Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:10:26pm

re: #187 WindUpBird

So did Opie and Anthony. They did a lot more than that when frida died *shrug*

I can’t stand the guy either, but honestly, his radio behavior doesn’t even rate, and I’m a total hypocrite if I claim I didn’t listen to guys who did worse.

Why would you put rice in their bowls?

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:10:44pm

re: #189 WindUpBird

This conversation is getting sorta weird ;-)

I am not even joking. If you don’t know what a miscarriage is and what it feels like for a woman who has one, I think you shouldn’t even begin to try to compare it.

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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:11:46pm

‘Steampunk Palin’ Comic More Insane Than You Imagined

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:12:53pm

re: #192 Killgore Trout

Uh. Wow.

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Amory Blaine Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:14:10pm

re: #192 Killgore Trout

‘Steampunk Palin’ Comic More Insane Than You Imagined

HeHe they even have McCain.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:16:40pm

re: #192 Killgore Trout

‘Steampunk Palin’ Comic More Insane Than You Imagined

“This isn’t first century BC Egypt, when having an attractive leader might theoretically provide some kind of geo-political advantage vis a vis our standing with the Romans. I don’t want to see a drawing of the former Governor of Alaska in what appears to be a leather bustier and garters.”

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:16:53pm

re: #194 Amory Blaine

HeHe they even have McCain.

And “Robama”.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:17:13pm

re: #190 Decatur Deb

Why would you put rice in their bowls?

hour and ten minute commute each way in the late 90’s early 2000s, it was either O&A or conservative jocks

I’m more interested in what Beck is doing now, on TV, inciting political violence, than in digging up his old cocaine-fueled hot talker career, seems pretty far afield of the issue of Glenn Beck

My point is Beck’s old radio behavior is no different than the usual shock jock guys on the air at the time. That’s really my only point. I come from this as a guy fascinated by radio culture, talk radio, how hosts prepare, how they do their shows.

I remember listening to Glenn beck probably before anyone here knew his name. I think it was 1997-1998-ish, he was subbing for the radio host Lionel a lot. I remember Glenn Beck’s show in the early 2000’s, where he was copying Phil hendrie’s “do the voices of my own guests” technique, after he watched Phil’s show live in the studio. Beck is more a chameleon than anything else.

Sorry, I know a lot about this shit ;-) So if it means I’m a little jaded about radio behavior, that’s where I’m coming from.

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brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:17:43pm

re: #191 000G

I am not even joking. If you don’t know what a miscarriage is and what it feels like for a woman who has one, I think you shouldn’t even begin to try to compare it.

some times even birds need to be on a leash…

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Kid A Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:17:50pm

re: #192 Killgore Trout

Thanks for the wine I just spewed all over my laptop!

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Decatur Deb Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:19:24pm

re: #197 WindUpBird

So no one told you about 8-track?

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:19:44pm

re: #197 WindUpBird

My point is Beck’s old radio behavior is no different than the usual shock jock guys on the air at the time.

I still don’t think you mentioned anything that lived up to the nastiness of the event I mentioned.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:21:24pm

re: #198 brookly red

some times even birds need to be on a leash…

oh that’s a rabbit hole we could go down :D

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:22:02pm

re: #200 Decatur Deb

So no one told you about 8-track?

I had a 1978 toyota corolla with an old boombox in the back seat ;-)

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brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:22:09pm

re: #201 000G

I still don’t think you mentioned anything that lived up to the nastiness of the event I mentioned.

no it didn’t, and what does that tell you?

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:23:14pm

re: #192 Killgore Trout

‘Steampunk Palin’ Comic More Insane Than You Imagined

More previews:

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I like the one with the polar bears best.

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wrenchwench Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:23:32pm

re: #203 WindUpBird

I had a 1978 toyota corolla with an old boombox in the back seat ;-)

I had a 1978 Toyolla Corroda. (Kinda rusty…)

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:23:33pm

BTW, have now averted eviction for the umpty-umpth time.

You would assume that the owners of a thirty-unit building with four units standing empty would not want to lose a long-term, non-drug-dealing, non-gun-firing, non-screaming-drunk-at-three-AM tenant who, albeit a month behind with the rent, has paid said rent a month behind every month like clockwork, for, well, months.

You would equally assume that such people would not serve such a tenant with a ‘pay up or quit in forty-eight hours’ notice of extremely dubious legality under California law. How dubious? Well, it tells me that if I don’t give them their cashier’s check, my tenancy will be terminated in accordance with Oregon landlord/tenant law.

Anyway, crisis averted.

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albusteve Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:23:40pm

re: #204 brookly red

no it didn’t, and what does that tell you?

I slept through all the profound nastiness competition…did I miss something?

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brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:24:42pm

re: #208 albusteve

I slept through all the profound nastiness competition…did I miss something?

no same shit different day.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:24:58pm

re: #204 brookly red

no it didn’t, and what does that tell you?

I am not sure what you are getting at.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:24:59pm

re: #204 brookly red

no it didn’t, and what does that tell you?

so you guys were missing the part where a radio host’s wife died in a car accident and another host decided to make fun of it as a protracted long radio bit?

I’m going to say this very politely, you and 000G simply do not have knowledge of what you’re talking about. Neither of you have demonstrated anything remotely resembling knowledge of the radio format, and thus, this conversation sails off into the Summerlands

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:25:21pm

re: #206 wrenchwench

I had a 1978 Toyolla Corroda. (Kinda rusty…)

This one was yellow, and had holes rusted in it, and a long trail of dead starters :P

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wrenchwench Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:25:24pm

re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist

Landlords need to be trained. It’s hard work.

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albusteve Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:25:41pm

re: #210 000G

I am not sure what you are getting at.

what are you getting at?

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:25:58pm

re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist

I’ve been there before *_*

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:26:01pm

re: #211 WindUpBird

I’m going to say this very politely, you and 000G simply do not have knowledge of what you’re talking about. Neither of you have demonstrated anything remotely resembling knowledge of the radio format, and thus, this conversation sails off into the Summerlands

The topic of the discussion is completely unrelated to “radio format”, JFYI.

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brookly red Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:27:32pm

re: #210 000G

I am not sure what you are getting at.

just that sometimes, somefloks, don’t think before they speak… and yes I have done that too.

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wrenchwench Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:28:00pm

re: #212 WindUpBird

This one was yellow, and had holes rusted in it, and a long trail of dead starters :P

Mine was green, with the holes. Traded it towards the conversion van we got from the same guy who had a gas station in Everett, WA, who said he used to drive cars from Berlin to Baghdad to sell ‘em. (Or was it Baghdad to Berlin?)

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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:30:23pm

re: #94 Decatur Deb

Maybe Romney actually wants to be able to face his family more than he wants to be president.

More like wants to simply be able to look in the mirror in the morning…

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:31:19pm

re: #213 wrenchwench

Landlords need to be trained. It’s hard work.

The building manager is a very sweet woman—who laughed her head off when she saw the eviction notice with the Oregon law information. But Management off-site is a bit haphazard. It’s odd. They own a large number of buildings in the area, and you’d think they’d be a tad more professional.