Mike Huckabee Says Obama 'Grew Up in Kenya'

Mike Huckabee Says Obama ‘Grew Up in Kenya’

Speaking to a Birther, Huckabee says repeatedly that President Obama grew up in Africa

WingnutsMarch 2011 • Views: 38,389

This, ladies and gentlemen, is one of the Republican Party’s current favorites for the 2012 Presidential race, Mike Huckabee, being interviewed by far right Birther/radio host Steve Malzberg and repeatedly making the false claim that President Obama grew up in Kenya.

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MALZBERG: Don’t you think it’s fair also to ask him, I know your stance on this. How come we don’t have a health record, we don’t have a college record, we don’t have a birth cer - why Mr. Obama did you spend millions of dollars in courts all over this country to defend against having to present a birth certificate. It’s one thing to say, I’ve — you’ve seen it, goodbye. But why go to court and send lawyers to defend against having to show it? Don’t you think we deserve to know more about this man?

HUCKABEE: I would love to know more. What I know is troubling enough. And one thing that I do know is his having grown up in Kenya, his view of the Brits, for example, very different than the average American. When he gave the bust back to the Brits —

MALZBERG: Of Winston Churchill.

HUCKABEE: The bust of Winston Churchill, a great insult to the British. But then if you think about it, his perspective as growing up in Kenya with a Kenyan father and grandfather, their view of the Mau Mau Revolution in Kenya is very different than ours because he probably grew up hearing that the British were a bunch of imperialists who persecuted his grandfather.

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580 comments

researchok Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:12:40pm

And Huckabee is supposed to be one of the GOP’s more credible potential candidates.

Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:12:49pm

Ignorant and proud of it. That’s the reality of the modern GOP.

Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:13:00pm

And he brings up the Mau Mau uprising.

This is INSANE.

Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:13:14pm

I seem to remember him stating that he believed that Obama was born in America, I guess this is to make up for showing any signs of sanity…

Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:15:16pm

Another candidate goes to the bottom of the consideration list. (Not that he was that high up it.) If you won’t fact check, and are willing to spout falsehoods for the sake of pandering to the particular audience I will doubt your integrity from then on to tell the honest truth about anything.

Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:16:36pm

Personally, I wait eagerly to see how many of these GOP hopefuls can, on demand, produce their original “long form” birth certificates.

Lidane Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:16:36pm

Well, that settles it. Whoever the 2012 GOP nominee is, expect them to do exactly what Huck does here and openly pander to the birthers and racists.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:17:02pm

Fucking pathetic.

Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:17:13pm

Mike Huckabee: still a schmuck.

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Charles Johnson Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:17:23pm

Uh, guess what, Mike. The British WERE imperialists.

Tigger2 Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:17:23pm

Are the Republicans going to have anyone to run for President that’s not nuts.

jaunte Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:17:35pm

Huck blowing the Mau Mau whistle.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:18:08pm

re: #1 researchok

And Huckabee is supposed to be one of the GOP’s more credible potential candidates.

I am so pissed off. This is ridiculous.

Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:18:10pm

re: #12 jaunte

Huck blowing the Mau Mau whistle.

Did they steal his date while he was in college?
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Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:18:10pm

Glad to know “The Roots of Obama’s Rage” is on the Huckster’s nightstand.
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Lidane Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:18:27pm

re: #10 Charles

Uh, guess what, Mike. The British WERE imperialists.

Pfft. They’re white. Didn’t you know that only black and brown people can be imperialists?

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:18:31pm

Anyone want to tell me about how this is just because they disagree with his POLICIES?

Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:19:43pm

re: #10 Charles

Uh, guess what, Mike. The British WERE imperialists.

Rather proud of it to my recollection. “The sun never sets” and all that.

Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:20:45pm

What an idiot. He literally says Obama “grew up in Kenya” and then says that if he really was born in Kenya, Hillary Clinton would have found “that” birth certificate.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:22:20pm

re: #19 Gus 802

No contradiction tho. (He’s still an ass.)

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:22:25pm

GOD HUCKABEE STOP ACTING LIKE ONE OF THESE DULLARDS

ugh so frustrating, he seems like he should be above this racist shit, this hick fakeass psychoanalyzing

Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:22:45pm

re: #19 Gus 802

What an idiot. He literally says Obama “grew up in Kenya” and then says that if he really was born in Kenya, Hillary Clinton would have found “that” birth certificate.

Gus, not only did he say “grew up in Kenya,” he said it twice! Can’t wait to hear how he spins this.

Lidane Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:22:51pm

re: #19 Gus 802

What an idiot. He literally says Obama “grew up in Kenya” and then says that if he really was born in Kenya, Hillary Clinton would have found “that” birth certificate.

Who cares about facts when there’s an election to win? Huck’s openly pandering to the birther idiots, racists, and rubes. It’s pathetic.

jaunte Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:23:04pm

re: #14 oaktree

I’ve seen his band. They stole his rhythm.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:23:09pm

re: #17 SanFranciscoZionist

Anyone want to tell me about how this is just because they disagree with his POLICIES?

YEAH, no fucking kidding

Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:23:31pm

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rather proud of it to my recollection. “The sun never sets” and all that.

“I know why the sun never sets on the British Empire: God wouldn’t trust an Englishman in the dark.”

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:23:49pm

re: #22 Kid A

Gus, not only did he say “grew up in Kenya,” he said it twice! Can’t wait to hear how he spins this.

“Grew up in” does not entail “was born in”. Huck is just ignorant of Obama’s bio.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:23:49pm

re: #10 Charles

Uh, guess what, Mike. The British WERE imperialists.

Being as our country exists as a result of a revolution carried out against that particular imperial power, you’d think we’d remember that part.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:24:23pm

re: #23 Lidane

Who cares about facts when there’s an election to win? Huck’s openly pandering to the birther idiots, racists, and rubes. It’s pathetic.

it’s funny because he has no chance, huckabee will be ripped apart in a primary by the real GOP machinery

Which may be why he’s going full racial, trying to run around the machinery

andres Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:24:24pm

re: #1 researchok

And Huckabee is supposed to be one of the GOP’s more credible potential candidates.

The Republican Party Presidential Nomination bar is way too low when this guy is one of the frontrunners.

jaunte Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:24:31pm

re: #3 Stanley Sea

And he brings up the Mau Mau uprising.

This is INSANE.

Scary dark people.

Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:24:38pm

re: #17 SanFranciscoZionist

Anyone want to tell me about how this is just because they disagree with his POLICIES?

That’s all the Tea Party is about.
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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:24:50pm

re: #17 SanFranciscoZionist

Anyone want to tell me about how this is just because they disagree with his POLICIES?

Hey now, it’s not that they actually believe it, they’re just saying…

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Firstinla Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:25:00pm

I think what Huck is doing is what is called “chumming the water” in fishing. He throws it out to bring the wingnuts closer to his boat. Then he can reel them in.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:25:10pm

re: #11 Tigger2

Are the Republicans going to have anyone to run for President that’s not nuts.

Not this time!

I mean, Romney isn’t nuts, but Romney is unelectable to these guys

Simply Sarah Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:25:10pm

You know, after a bit more reflection, I think that, in some ways, this is even worse than being a birther, as there is even *more* evidence proving this isn’t true than there is showing Obama was born in Hawaii. Oh, Huck, Huck, Huck, what are we going to do with you?

Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:25:42pm

Dear President Obama,

Congratulations.

Regards,

2012.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:25:44pm

re: #34 Firstinla

I think what Huck is doing is what is called “chumming the water” in fishing. He throws it out to bring the wingnuts closer to his boat. Then he can reel them in.

pretty much

‘He’s one of us! He believes the same 4th grade schoolyard conspiracy theories we do!”

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:26:04pm

re: #37 Kid A

Dear President Obama,

Congratulations.

Regards,

2012.

hahahahaha well, Huckabee won’t get to the general anyway :D

Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:26:09pm

re: #27 Sergey Romanov

“Grew up in” does not entail “was born in”. Huck is just ignorant of Obama’s bio.

That would have to be the only logical explanation to Huckabee’s line of thinking. So according to Huckabee, Obama was born in Hawaii and went back to Kenya. Whew.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:26:49pm

re: #40 Gus 802

That would have to be the only logical explanation to Huckabee’s line of thinking. So according to Huckabee, Obama was born in Hawaii and went back to Kenya. Whew.

To be BRAINWASHED WHOOOOOOOooOOOOooo

Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:27:13pm

re: #37 Kid A

Dear President Obama,

Congratulations.

Regards,

2012.

Not so fast! America has yet to hear from John Bolton!!

Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:27:18pm

re: #27 Sergey Romanov

“Grew up in” does not entail “was born in”. Huck is just ignorant of Obama’s bio.

If that’s true, that’s scary.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:27:24pm

re: #40 Gus 802

Well Huck knows that Obama was “somewhere else” in his childhood, and with all the talk of Kenya he just ass-u-me-d.

Charles Johnson Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:27:24pm

Are there people who don’t know what this is really about?

The black President who secretly grew up in Africa?

I mean, it’s not even hidden, folks.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:27:28pm

re: #19 Gus 802

What an idiot. He literally says Obama “grew up in Kenya” and then says that if he really was born in Kenya, Hillary Clinton would have found “that” birth certificate.

Maybe he thinks that Obama was born in Honolulu, and raised in Kenya.

One wonders why they’re so stuck on the Kenya connection. Doesn’t Indonesia work just as well for purposes of making him seem furrin? (Granted, they didn’t have the Mau Mau.)

Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:27:44pm

According to his official bio, Obama didn’t even meet his Dad’s side of the family until his mid 20s.

Must be that taqiyya I’ve heard so much about.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:28:06pm

re: #22 Kid A

Gus, not only did he say “grew up in Kenya,” he said it twice! Can’t wait to hear how he spins this.

“Can’t you criticize his policies without being called a racist?”

Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:28:10pm

re: #46 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe he thinks that Obama was born in Honolulu, and raised in Kenya.

One wonders why they’re so stuck on the Kenya connection. Doesn’t Indonesia work just as well for purposes of making him seem furrin? (Granted, they didn’t have the Mau Mau.)

Right. See #40.

Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:28:16pm

re: #40 Gus 802

That would have to be the only logical explanation to Huckabee’s line of thinking. So according to Huckabee, Obama was born in Hawaii and went back to Kenya. Whew.

And that’s likely how he’ll spin it, now that he’s been caught with foot firmly planted in mouth. “I’m not sayin’ he was born in Kenya, I’m sayin’ he was raised there! That it formed his world view! *in low voice* Not that I can prove it, but I’m just sayin’…”

Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:28:38pm

re: #45 Charles

Are there people who don’t know what this is really about?

The black President who secretly grew up in Africa?

I mean, it’s not even hidden, folks.

I’ll need to see a heat map of the evidence before I can make a decision.
/

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:28:41pm

re: #43 Kid A

If that’s true, that’s scary.

Why? Intricacies of Obama’s early life aren’t really that important to politicians. I’m more worried about his creationism and whatever else his fundamentalism entails.

Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:29:12pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

“Can’t you criticize his policies without being called a racist?”

“Look, all we want is for Obama to show the birth certificate to prove he’s a citizen.”

Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:29:19pm

Sarah Palin - dumb
Mike Huckabee - dumb
John Bolton - nuts and mean
Newt Gingrich - weirdo and creep
Mitt Romney - faker
Tim Pawlenty - dumb faker

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:29:32pm

re: #40 Gus 802

it’s so hilarious that I feel embarrassed for Mike Huckabee that he’s saying it

Ever see an adult throw a fit or act like a kid in public, and how jarring and sorta cringe-inducing it can be? That’s what I’m feeling now re Huckabee, because I liked Huckabee, at least I liked that he seemed to have more going on in his head about social policy than most Republicans

And now it’s like he’s off his meds and cuckoo for coca puffs, an embarrassment to the US

Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:29:37pm

re: #41 WindUpBird

To be BRAINWASHED WHOOOooOOOooo

By the MAU MAU

oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:29:40pm

re: #25 WindUpBird

YEAH, no fucking kidding

I disagreed with nearly all of G. W. Bush’s policies. I also assumed, for some reason, that he was telling the truth about where he was born, and where he lived at different times in his life.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:30:21pm

re: #27 Sergey Romanov

“Grew up in” does not entail “was born in”. Huck is just ignorant of Obama’s bio.

Given how concerned he seems to be about how ‘mysterious’ Obama is, he probably should acquaint himself with the details on public record.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:30:41pm

re: #45 Charles

Are there people who don’t know what this is really about?

The black President who secretly grew up in Africa?

I mean, it’s not even hidden, folks.

White guys talking about the Evil Skeery Black Scheming Africa President! In very serious Republican tones! Because they’re Republicans, you know. They’re Very Serious. They have suits and talk seriously about the economy!

wait for 2012, we will see the racism in lights

Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:30:42pm

I’m not saying Huck is a goat fucker, but I’m skeptical. Just asking questions you know. People have a right to know whether Huck enjoys banging livestock. He is from Arkansas you know.

Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:30:45pm

re: #54 Gus 802

Sarah Palin - dumb
Mike Huckabee - dumb
John Bolton - nuts and mean
Newt Gingrich - weirdo and creep
Mitt Romney - faker
Tim Pawlenty - dumb faker

Michele Bachman - fruitloop
Scott Walker - delusions of adequacy
Chris Cristie - thug
Ron Paul - opportunist

Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:31:37pm

re: #61 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Michele Bachman - fruitloop
Scott Walker - delusions of adequacy
Chris Cristie - thug
Ron Paul - opportunist

Rand Paul - Hair Club For Men

Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:32:00pm

re: #61 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Michele Bachman - fruitloop
Scott Walker - delusions of adequacy
Chris Cristie - thug
Ron Paul - opportunist

Break out the Styrofoam cups and pour the champagne!

“Oh yeah what about the message the American people sent to DC in 2010?”

“You mean the one where the GOP didn’t take back the Senate?”

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:32:06pm

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

I disagreed with nearly all of G. W. Bush’s policies. I also assumed, for some reason, that he was telling the truth about where he was born, and where he lived at different times in his life.

yeah!

Must have bin all tha publik edukashun, makin’ me do all them fancy things like critikally thunk n’ look stuff up that make no sense hyuk snort fart

Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:32:22pm

re: #53 Kid A

“Look, all we want is for Obama to show the birth certificate to prove he’s a citizen.”

“No, not that form that says Birth Certificate, the other one…no, the other one. Why are you being difficult?”

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:32:54pm

re: #41 WindUpBird

To be BRAINWASHED WHOOOooOOOooo

One of my college friends has in-laws in Kenya. They seem like perfectly nice people. Seventh-Day Adventists, IIRC. Her late uncle-in-law was some sort of clan chief.

Why are people so flipped out about Kenya?

Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:33:21pm

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

“No, not that form that says Birth Certificate, the other one…no, the other one. Why are you being difficult?”

“If he’s got nothing to hide, then he’ll let us see it.”

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:33:22pm

re: #44 Sergey Romanov

Well Huck knows that Obama was “somewhere else” in his childhood, and with all the talk of Kenya he just ass-u-me-d.

He’s so mysterious! How could I be expected to read anything about him?

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:33:26pm

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

Given how concerned he seems to be about how ‘mysterious’ Obama is, he probably should acquaint himself with the details on public record.

Better not. Then he will go all “Muslim!” on him. I mean, Indonesia…

lostlakehiker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:33:27pm

I recall an earlier post—-“I don’t like him. Never did.” Add another reason. Huckabee’s such a liar.

A birther has some little shreds of fact to go on. There isn’t the normal kind of paper trail that almost everybody has. No actual, physical, authenticated stamped birth certificate like almost everybody has to produce at various points in their life.

The point may escape them that Hawaii was different.

But a grow-upper? There aren’t any shreds of fact to go on. In the general public, which hardly knows that Kenya is in Africa, rather than some sort of interrogative opposite to whycaintcha, such ignorance can be written off as ignorance. But Huckabee has to know better. Obama’s got a paper trail in Hawaii, Indonesia, New York, etc. He just plain did NOT grow up in Kenya.

Huckabee’s lying.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:33:46pm

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

One of my college friends has in-laws in Kenya. They seem like perfectly nice people. Seventh-Day Adventists, IIRC. Her late uncle-in-law was some sort of clan chief.

Why are people so flipped out about Kenya?

They can find Africa on a map. Indonesia, not so much.

freetoken Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:34:11pm

re: #54 Gus 802

Sarah Palin - dumb

But remember - she makes Bachmann look smart (to potential Republican primary voters).

Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:34:24pm

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

“No, not that form that says Birth Certificate, the other one…no, the other one. Why are you being difficult?”

“We don’t really mean Obama’s a socialist. It’s just to get your attention.”

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:34:33pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

According to his official bio, Obama didn’t even meet his Dad’s side of the family until his mid 20s.

Must be that taqiyya I’ve heard so much about.

You know, even taken in the sense in which Spencer, say, interprets it, I don’t think taqquiya was ever mean to mean that all Muslims should be pathological liars.

Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:34:51pm

re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They can find Africa on a map. Indonesia, not so much.

A lot of people can’t find Delaware on a map.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:35:39pm

re: #53 Kid A

“Look, all we want is for Obama to show the birth certificate to prove he’s a citizen.”

“Not that birth certificate! A different birth certificate!”

Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:35:54pm

re: #63 Gus 802

Break out the Styrofoam cups and pour the champagne!

“Oh yeah what about the message the American people sent to DC in 2010?”

“You mean the one where the GOP didn’t take back the Senate?”

//

“We sent you guys to D.C. to create jobs and fix the economy!”

“Shit, sorry son, but we were too busy with social engineerin’ to get around to the economy. But hey, if you want a job, give us the presidency in ‘12! And the Senate on the side!”

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:36:11pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, even taken in the sense in which Spencer, say, interprets it, I don’t think taqquiya was ever mean to mean that all Muslims should be pathological liars.

But but but he’s a Kenya-born black Muslin!

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lostlakehiker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:36:26pm

re: #75 Gus 802

A lot of people can’t find Delaware on a map.

That’s not the problem. It’s just that Delaware is less than one pixel big.

Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:36:38pm

re: #75 Gus 802

A lot of people can’t find Delaware on a map.

Exactly. Just ask Ms. Teen South Carolina.

Youtube Video

engineer cat Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:36:39pm

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

One of my college friends has in-laws in Kenya. They seem like perfectly nice people. Seventh-Day Adventists, IIRC. Her late uncle-in-law was some sort of clan chief.

Why are people so flipped out about Kenya?

considering how well informed the nutbaggers seem to be, i wouldn’t be surprised if their ideas about africa come straight from saturday afternoon movie serials of the 1930s…

Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:36:57pm

re: #75 Gus 802

A lot of people can’t find Delaware on a map.

Delaware’s natural blandness causes the eyes to naturally slip right past it. Its an evolutionary adaption.

Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:37:03pm

Isn’t Kenya like a state in the country of Africa?

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:37:56pm

re: #55 WindUpBird

it’s so hilarious that I feel embarrassed for Mike Huckabee that he’s saying it

Ever see an adult throw a fit or act like a kid in public, and how jarring and sorta cringe-inducing it can be? That’s what I’m feeling now re Huckabee, because I liked Huckabee, at least I liked that he seemed to have more going on in his head about social policy than most Republicans

And now it’s like he’s off his meds and cuckoo for coca puffs, an embarrassment to the US

They’re all afraid. That’s what creeps me out most about this class of Republican leadership/hopefuls. They’re terrified. Not people like Bachmann, she’s a true believer. But the rest of them are too scared to say “There’s no mystery about where the president was born. People who are running around saying that he’s a socialist and the world is ending are mistaken, and in some cases, cravenly lying. Now, here’s what’s wrong with the administration’s policy.”

They are too afraid to say that out loud.

Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:38:05pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Isn’t Kenya like a state in the country of Africa?

//

According to Sister Sarah.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:38:08pm

re: #72 freetoken

But remember - she makes Bachmann look smart (to potential Republican primary voters).

Some people only exist to be the worst case scenario example.

Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:38:09pm

re: #82 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Delaware’s natural blandness causes the eyes to naturally slip right past it. Its an evolutionary adaption.

Hey! Delaware is on the beautiful Delmarva Peninsula.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:38:46pm

re: #56 Stanley Sea

By the MAU MAU

oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh

Well it makes sense. He’s being mau-maued by the TPers himself.

Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:39:01pm

re: #85 Stanley Sea

According to Sister Sarah.

Can she see it from her front porch?

Lidane Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:39:34pm

re: #70 lostlakehiker

Huckabee’s lying.

No shit. He’s pandering to the birther idiots, the racists who can’t handle a black guy with an African name as POTUS, and the Fox News watching rubes who don’t know any better.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:40:48pm

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

Well it makes sense. He’s being mau-maued by the TPers himself.

Pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-
Pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-ooma-mau-mau
Papa-ooma-mau-mau

Sorry, just had to get that out of my system.

Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:40:51pm

Beware Obama, the Keynsian Kenyan!!!

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:41:15pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

“Not that birth certificate! A different birth certificate!”

NOT THERE?!?!

THERE!

NOT THERE!

Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:41:20pm

I don’t want to sound weird, but is anybody getting a kick out of watching the Republican Party go the way of the Titanic as much as I am?

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:41:47pm

re: #63 Gus 802

Break out the Styrofoam cups and pour the champagne!

“Oh yeah what about the message the American people sent to DC in 2010?”

“You mean the one where the GOP didn’t take back the Senate?”

//

And the American people did cry in the wilderness for fiscal conservatives to fix the economy, and instead they got candidates who did things like start campaign ads with ‘I’m not a witch,’ and they grew sore at heart, and afraid.

Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:41:53pm

Youtube Video

recusancy Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:41:55pm

re: #94 Kid A

I don’t want to sound weird, but is anybody getting a kick out of watching the Republican Party go the way of the Titanic as much as I am?

I wish the damn thing would sink already.

APox Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:41:56pm

I was surprised nobody brought up his interview with Steven Colbert.

Just WATCH this interview from 20:10 onwards:

[Link: www.colbertnation.com…]

The guy says that 46% of the Republican party are wrong for believing that Obama is a Muslim, but then goes on to say when pushed by Colbert that the question is “irrelevant” and is NOT able to come out and say he believes Obama is a Christian.

The guy is such a snake.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:41:57pm

I see comment 86 and 88, but I can’t quite seem to see 87.

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Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:42:28pm

re: #93 WindUpBird

NOT THERE?!?!

THERE!

THERE!

NOT THERE!

WHERE IS IT, DAMN IT??!!
//

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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:42:39pm

re: #93 WindUpBird

NOT THERE?!?!

THERE!

THERE!

NOT THERE!

HAHA! THERE.

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palomino Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:42:45pm

Absolutely disgusting. Huckabee now jumps into the culture war with both feet. He’s echoing Newt’s moronic assertion that Obama has a “Kenyan worldview” and that he’s un-American.

I never thought the 2012 campaign could actually be worse than 2008, with all the crazy talk of Obama being a terrorist sympathizer and people at McCain rallies calling him an Arab. But it’s quite clear that the GOP will double down on the “he’s not one of use” rhetoric. Especially shameful in a country that welcomes immigrants and strives for the great melting pot.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:42:55pm

re: #99 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I see comment 86 and 88, but I can’t quite seem to see 87.

Here ya go…

re: #87 Gus 802

Hey! Delaware is on the beautiful Delmarva Peninsula.

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Lidane Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:42:57pm

re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sorry, just had to get that out of my system.

Here. Let me get that stuck back in your head:

Youtube Video

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bratwurst Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:43:10pm

re: #94 Kid A

I don’t want to sound weird, but is anybody getting a kick out of watching the Republican Party go the way of the Titanic as much as I am?

I would feel a lot better if there weren’t such a severe danger that they will control both houses regardless of which sure loser they nominate for POTUS.

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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:43:13pm

Get the word out:

Youtube Video

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:43:55pm

re: #94 Kid A

I don’t want to sound weird, but is anybody getting a kick out of watching the Republican Party go the way of the Titanic as much as I am?

I would say there’s some fun in it, but they seem to be attempting to take the rest of America with them, which worries me :D

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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:44:09pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

They’re all afraid. That’s what creeps me out most about this class of Republican leadership/hopefuls. They’re terrified. Not people like Bachmann, she’s a true believer. But the rest of them are too scared to say “There’s no mystery about where the president was born. People who are running around saying that he’s a socialist and the world is ending are mistaken, and in some cases, cravenly lying. Now, here’s what’s wrong with the administration’s policy.”

They are too afraid to say that out loud.

They’re afraid because they know their political futures rely upon playing to the crazies. Already, the Tea Partiers are making noises, as posted downstairs, that any politicians who aren’t on-board the crazy train are going to face primary challenges in ‘12. It’s a bit hard to spot a difference between the Tea Party and the Taliban these days.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:44:12pm

Yep, we’re going to have Obama for 8 years. Repubs could save their campaign money and use it to balance the budget.

Obama’s mom was an American Citizen, doesn’t matter where he was born or where he grew up.

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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:44:18pm

re: #94 Kid A

I don’t want to sound weird, but is anybody getting a kick out of watching the Republican Party go the way of the Titanic as much as I am?

Part of it is amusing, but I fear for the collateral damage: these folks are like a drunk driver with his family in the back seat.

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Charleston Chew Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:45:02pm

Portrait of a radical anti-imperialist who fought the Brits.

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palomino Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:45:05pm

He’s factually wrong, of course. It was Indonesia for a couple of years. But, other than that, his rhetoric will be unchanged…all based on the xenophobic and racist notion that Obama’s not a “real American”.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:45:08pm

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

And the American people did cry in the wilderness for fiscal conservatives to fix the economy, and instead they got candidates who did things like start campaign ads with ‘I’m not a witch,’ and they grew sore at heart, and afraid.

Myself I’m mostly seeing the party of abortion and homosexuality.

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engineer cat Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:45:27pm

re: #109 ggt

Yep, we’re going to have Obama for 8 years. Repubs could save their campaign money and use it to balance the budget.

Obama’s mom was an American Citizen, doesn’t matter where he was born or where he grew up.

i can’t think of an american president with a more interesting person for a mother

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:45:29pm

re: #103 Gus 802

Here ya go…

re: #87 Gus 802

//

Nope, still nothing there.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:45:39pm

re: #102 palomino

Absolutely disgusting. Huckabee now jumps into the culture war with both feet. He’s echoing Newt’s moronic assertion that Obama has a “Kenyan worldview” and that he’s un-American.

I never thought the 2012 campaign could actually be worse than 2008, with all the crazy talk of Obama being a terrorist sympathizer and people at McCain rallies calling him an Arab. But it’s quite clear that the GOP will double down on the “he’s not one of use” rhetoric. Especially shameful in a country that welcomes immigrants and strives for the great melting pot.

The Kenyan Worldview talking point seems to be the one they’re running with, lots of tasty morsels for the genteel racist to chew on

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Lidane Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:46:05pm

re: #109 ggt

Obama’s mom was an American Citizen, doesn’t matter where he was born or where he grew up.

But she was a virtuous white woman from Real America that was clearly taken in by a scary black Mooslim from Kenya! Don’t you know that her part in all this doesn’t matter?

///

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wrenchwench Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:46:06pm

I used to wish that Obama’s mother had been able to see him as president. Now I think it’s just as well she didn’t. Think what kind of hell she’d be put through.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:46:21pm

re: #111 Charleston Chew

Portrait of a radical anti-imperialist who fought the Brits.

No way! Get out of town. You mean our founding fathers fought against British imperialism?

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Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:46:22pm

re: #102 palomino

Absolutely disgusting. Huckabee now jumps into the culture war with both feet. He’s echoing Newt’s moronic assertion that Obama has a “Kenyan worldview” and that he’s un-American.

I never thought the 2012 campaign could actually be worse than 2008, with all the crazy talk of Obama being a terrorist sympathizer and people at McCain rallies calling him an Arab. But it’s quite clear that the GOP will double down on the “he’s not one of use” rhetoric. Especially shameful in a country that welcomes immigrants and strives for the great melting pot.

The best part about this is when McCain quickly corrects her, and she’s all surprised!! “No??!!”

Youtube Video

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:46:27pm

re: #81 engineer dog

considering how well informed the nutbaggers seem to be, i wouldn’t be surprised if their ideas about africa come straight from saturday afternoon movie serials of the 1930s…

My friend’s uncle-in-law died the same summer that the US Embassy in Kenya was bombed, which also happened to be the same summer that her niece was in Kenya visiting her grandparents. Kid was utterly flipped out, and did not want to fly home alone, so her father said he would go and attend his father-in-law’s funeral and then bring her home.

Being a white, Jewish American guy trying to get to Kenya in the wake of a bombing, by explaining that you have to attend the funeral of your father-in-law who was a clan leader in Kenya, is apparently complicated.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:46:44pm

re: #109 ggt

Yep, we’re going to have Obama for 8 years. Repubs could save their campaign money and use it to balance the budget.

Obama’s mom was an American Citizen, doesn’t matter where he was born or where he grew up.

that’s the hilarity, they could probably get more bang for their buck if Obama ran unopposed, they could put it all into Senate races!

because there’s just no way any of these guys will touch him, they don’t look credible except Romney, and Romney is loathed by evangelicals because he’s a heathen

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celticdragon Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:46:59pm

While we are the subject of the Mau Mau…

The Emergency saw out two prime ministers – Churchill and Eden – and ended in January 1960. In that time, Mau Mau supporters killed at least 2000 African civilians and inflicted some 200 casualties on the army and police. In all, 32 white settlers died in the rebellion. For their part, the British hanged more than 1000 Kikuyu, detained at least 150,000 and, according to official figures, killed around 12,000 in combat, though the real figure, in David Anderson’s view, is ‘likely to have been more than 20,000’. In addition, Caroline Elkins claims, up to 100,000 died in the detention camps.

It is the scale of the British atrocities in Kenya that is the most startling revelation of these books. We always knew about the Mau Mau atrocities, of course: assiduously retailed to the British public by the authorities in Kenya through the Colonial Office, and right-wing newspapers like the Daily Mail. (Elkins calls the Daily Mail a ‘tabloid’, which isn’t strictly true for this period, but seems to fit in other ways.) But for years the equally savage abuses by British officers and their African collaborators in the detention camps, controlled villages and courtrooms of Kenya were mostly hidden from people at home.

Caroline Elkins is a history prof at Harvard

Her well regarded book on British atrocities and war crimes in Kenya can be found here.

Funny how in this country we used to like the idea of native populations giving the boot to the British Empire.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:47:23pm

re: #110 ralphieboy

Part of it is amusing, but I fear for the collateral damage: these folks are like a drunk driver with his family in the back seat.

Glenn Beck is the driver … .

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palomino Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:47:25pm

re: #120 Kid A

The best part about this is when McCain quickly corrects her, and she’s all surprised!! “No??!!”

[Video]

I’m afraid none of the seven gop dwarves supposedly running even have the courage to make that kind of correction.

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Lidane Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:47:37pm

re: #122 WindUpBird

that’s the hilarity, they could probably get more bang for their buck if Obama ran unopposed, they could put it all into Senate races!

because there’s just no way any of these guys will touch him, they don’t look credible except Romney, and Romney is loathed by evangelicals because he’s a heathen

He’s also hated because he’s a flip-flopping opportunist and faker and because of “Romneycare”.

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Charleston Chew Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:47:38pm

re: #34 Firstinla

I think what Huck is doing is what is called “chumming the water” in fishing. He throws it out to bring the wingnuts closer to his boat. Then he can reel them in.

And it stinks just as bad, too.

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celticdragon Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:47:50pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

I used to wish that Obama’s mother had been able to see him as president. Now I think it’s just as well she didn’t. Think what kind of hell she’d be put through.

I agree.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:48:38pm

re: #120 Kid A

The best part about this is when McCain quickly corrects her, and she’s all surprised!! “No??!!”

[Video]

This just in: “America surprised that social conservatives are just making shit up”

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SpaceJesus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:48:48pm

jesus christ

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palomino Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:48:58pm

When did the great melting pot experiment, part of the genius of America, become something to be derided? Just more evidence that today’s gop is running off the rails.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:49:05pm

re: #94 Kid A

I don’t want to sound weird, but is anybody getting a kick out of watching the Republican Party go the way of the Titanic as much as I am?

It was entertaining for a while, but now it’s starting to get frightening. The inmates are running the asylum. This is no way to run a country.

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_remembertonyc Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:49:28pm

Kenya, Kaanapali, Kauai ….. it ‘s all the same to Huckleberry Hound.

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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:49:37pm

re: #122 WindUpBird

that’s the hilarity, they could probably get more bang for their buck if Obama ran unopposed, they could put it all into Senate races!

because there’s just no way any of these guys will touch him, they don’t look credible except Romney, and Romney is loathed by evangelicals because he’s a heathen

The only way they’ll run Romney at the top of the ticket is if they got a Tea Partier on the bottom of it. Pull in a Chris Cristie, or a Scott Walker, or even a Michele Bachman. Basically a re-run of ‘08, only this time they think they can win by simply attacking Obama, rather than his policies.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:49:48pm

re: #126 Lidane

He’s also hated because he’s a flip-flopping opportunist and faker and because of “Romneycare”.

I don’t think any of that matters as much as that he’s LDS to them, though his health care position will be used heavily against him by lesser GOP candidates

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:50:00pm

re: #109 ggt

Yep, we’re going to have Obama for 8 years. Repubs could save their campaign money and use it to balance the budget.

Obama’s mom was an American Citizen, doesn’t matter where he was born or where he grew up.

It’s not clear to me that if he were born on foreign soil of an American mother that he would have been a natural born citizen.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:50:03pm

re: #130 SpaceJesus

jesus christ

it just gets better and better

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recusancy Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:50:03pm

Proof Democrats are smarter than machines!

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:50:16pm

re: #108 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They’re afraid because they know their political futures rely upon playing to the crazies. Already, the Tea Partiers are making noises, as posted downstairs, that any politicians who aren’t on-board the crazy train are going to face primary challenges in ‘12. It’s a bit hard to spot a difference between the Tea Party and the Taliban these days.

Or, for that matter, the Mau Mau.

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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:50:46pm

re: #131 palomino

When did the great melting pot experiment, part of the genius of America, become something to be derided? Just more evidence that today’s gop is running off the rails.

The GOP ran off the rails in ‘80, came to rest in ‘95, and have been smoldering since. They have nothing new, just reheated Reagan clap-trap, packaged in the “outrage du jour.”

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:51:10pm

re: #114 engineer dog

i can’t think of an american president with a more interesting person for a mother

John Quincy Adams?

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palomino Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:51:12pm

Few countries, if any, have our diversity. Huckabee just took a giant dump on that ideal.

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simoom Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:52:27pm

Did anyone just catch Gov. Walker’s State House budget address on CSPAN-3? The viewing gallery seemed to only have pro-Walker-budget folks (everyone applauded frequently, and most gave standing ovations with whooping).

I wonder how they managed that.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:52:38pm

re: #142 palomino

Few countries, if any, have our diversity. Huckabee just took a giant dump on that ideal.

Diversity is for liberals :D

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wrenchwench Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:52:49pm

re: #136 Sergey Romanov

It’s not clear to me that if he were born on foreign soil of an American mother that he would have been a natural born citizen.

You mean like John McCain?

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:53:06pm

re: #123 celticdragon

While we are the subject of the Mau Mau…

Caroline Elkins is a history prof at Harvard

Her well regarded book on British atrocities and war crimes in Kenya can be found here.

Funny how in this country we used to like the idea of native populations giving the boot to the British Empire.

Several of the best nations in the world have started by giving the boot to the British Empire.

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Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:53:31pm

re: #142 palomino

Few countries, if any, have our diversity. Huckabee just took a giant dump on that ideal.

Do you think he even realizes that after this he’s finished?

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:53:49pm

re: #136 Sergey Romanov

It’s not clear to me that if he were born on foreign soil of an American mother that he would have been a natural born citizen.

I think so. “Natural born”, iirc, means “born a citizen.”

I’m sure the lawyers can parse it all out to mean several different things, including that he is not a cloned citizen of the Beta Alpha Galaxy™.

For Constitutional Purposes, he is a citizen eligible to run for POTUS.

I think that all of this hullabaloo is focused on Obama and wasn’t on McCain is all the proof we need of the motivation behind it.

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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:54:33pm

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

Several of the best nations in the world have started by giving the boot to the British Empire.

Mau Mau is another dog-whistle code word for the anarchy that will descend on our cities if we “let the n******s take over”.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:54:34pm

re: #143 simoom

Did anyone just catch Gov. Walker’s State House budget address on CSPAN-3? The viewing gallery seemed to only have pro-Walker-budget folks (everyone applauded frequently, and most gave standing ovations with whooping).

I wonder how they managed that.

Oh Wisconsin, I wonder how long before they realize that guy they elected governor is using them the way Palin used Alaska

it’s nice living in a state where the governor is a nice doctor who was governor before! And isn’t going to pull bullshit stunts and use it as a career leap to higher office

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:54:46pm

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

Several of the best nations in the world have started by giving the boot to the British Empire.

We were the first! Kudos to us!

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:55:12pm

The Revolutionary War wasn’t about British imperialism!!11ty

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:55:23pm

re: #147 Kid A

Do you think he even realizes that after this he’s finished?

he doesn’t care, he’s targeting the rubes and the racists. Huvckabee seems to be going for the lowest common denominator, because he doens’t have the establishment support

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:55:46pm

re: #152 Gus 802

The Revolutionary War wasn’t about British imperialism!!11ty

//

It was about Taxes!

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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:55:47pm

re: #151 ggt

We were the first! Kudos to us!

The Scots did it in 1307, but the English came back…

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:55:51pm

What’s with the recent fascination with British Imperialism and colonialism of late by the right wing?

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celticdragon Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:55:55pm

Just for extra emphasis…

HUCKABEE: The bust of Winston Churchill, a great insult to the British. But then if you think about it, his perspective as growing up in Kenya with a Kenyan father and grandfather, their view of the Mau Mau Revolution in Kenya is very different than ours because he probably grew up hearing that the British were a bunch of imperialists who persecuted his grandfather.

Got that? The lovable Churchill, hero of the Battle Of Britain, would never allow bad things to happen to our President’s grandpappy!

She concludes that the war, one of the bloodiest and most protracted decolonization struggles of the past century, was anything but the “civilizing mission” portrayed by British propagandists and settlers. Instead, Britain engaged in an amazingly brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing that seemed to border on outright genocide. While only 32 white settlers were killed by Mau Mau insurgents, Elkins reports that tens of thousands of Kenyans were slaughtered, perhaps up to 300,000. The British also interned the entire 1.5 million population of Kikuyu, the colony’s largest ethnic group, in barbed-wire villages, forced-labour reserves where famine and disease ran rampant, and prison camps that Elkins describes as the Kenyan “Gulag.” The Kikuyu were subjected to unimaginable torture, or “screening,” as British officials called it, which included being whipped, beaten, sodomized, castrated, burned, and forced to eat feces and drink urine. British officials later destroyed almost all official records of the campaign. Elkins infuses her account with the riveting stories of individual Kikuyu detainees, settlers, British officials, and soldiers. This is a stunning narrative that finally sheds light on a misunderstood war for which no one has yet been held officially accountable. —Alex Roslin

I wonder how Kenyans could possibly get the idea that the British didn’t like them? I mean, who could possibly get worked up over trivialities like being castrated and sodomized?

For all his strengths during WW II, Churchill was still a determined apologist and enforcer for English Imperial ambition, and was quite willing to have his way on the bodies of the locals. You can admire what he did right while still recognizing that he was capable of evil as well.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:56:04pm

re: #153 WindUpBird

he doesn’t care, he’s targeting the rubes and the racists. Huvckabee seems to be going for the lowest common denominator, because he doens’t have the establishment support

I’m disappointed in Huck.

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:56:38pm

re: #153 WindUpBird

he doesn’t care, he’s targeting the rubes and the racists. Huvckabee seems to be going for the lowest common denominator, because he doens’t have the establishment support

But hey, what a choice for VP right?

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:56:45pm

re: #155 ralphieboy

The Scots did it in 1307, but the English came back…

Then the Scots came to settle in Pennsylvania and got to kick some British ass for us!

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:57:02pm

re: #154 ggt

It was about Taxes!

And rights “endowed by out Creator”!

Had little to do with British oppression. In fact they were only fighting British liberalism!

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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:57:05pm

re: #156 Gus 802

What’s with the recent fascination with British Imperialism and colonialism of late by the right wing?

British Imperialism = Big Government, American Revolutionaries = “Small Government Tea Partiers.”

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:57:30pm

re: #136 Sergey Romanov

It’s not clear to me that if he were born on foreign soil of an American mother that he would have been a natural born citizen.

Given that McCain is in that boat, and that challenges against both of them have failed in court…eh.

But I think ultimately, a person born on foreign soil to American parents has to be considered natural-born, because such a person does not need to be naturalized, and becomes a citizen in no other way. And AFAIK there is no provision in law that states that birth on American soil is required to meet the definition of ‘natural-born’, which is, admittedly, slightly vague.

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recusancy Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:58:04pm

re: #143 simoom

Did anyone just catch Gov. Walker’s State House budget address on CSPAN-3? The viewing gallery seemed to only have pro-Walker-budget folks (everyone applauded frequently, and most gave standing ovations with whooping).

I wonder how they managed that.

He defied a judge’s order to open the capital. Police have removed themselves because they don’t want to be used as “Palace Guards”.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:58:29pm

re: #162 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

British Imperialism = Big Government, American Revolutionaries = “Small Government Tea Partiers.”

Yeah. But they seem to like British imperialism of the past. Except for when it applied to the 13 colonies. So it’s cool for them when they were in Africa. In North America? Not so much.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:58:52pm

re: #157 celticdragon

Don’t question the American Conservative White Guys! The White Guys are very serious and always right about the brown people! Especially when they’re very serious Republicans sitting and gravely discussing the matter of the President’s No Good Very Bad Secret Muslim Origin Story, out this week on newsstands now!

These are very serious men! Very good men! We should respect them, because they know what’s right!

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engineer cat Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:59:06pm

re: #141 SanFranciscoZionist

John Quincy Adams?

got me there

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 2:59:56pm

re: #159 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But hey, what a choice for VP right?

/

Oh boy, can’t wait!

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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:00:13pm

re: #165 Gus 802

Yeah. But they seem to like British imperialism of the past. Except for when it applied to the 13 colonies. So it’s cool for them when they were in Africa. In North America? Not so much.

American exceptionalism. It was our being such an excellent, free nation that allowed us to overthrow the Brits. Anybody who failed simply wasn’t as great as we are.

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celticdragon Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:00:48pm

re: #160 ggt

Then the Scots came to settle in Pennsylvania and got to kick some British ass for us!

Two of my Scottish ancestors fought against the British at Kings Mountain during the Revolution, I am happy to say! :)

The cabin owned by my family is still standing and is now part of the National Military Park!

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:00:49pm

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist

Given that McCain is in that boat, and that challenges against both of them have failed in court…eh.

But I think ultimately, a person born on foreign soil to American parents has to be considered natural-born, because such a person does not need to be naturalized, and becomes a citizen in no other way. And AFAIK there is no provision in law that states that birth on American soil is required to meet the definition of ‘natural-born’, which is, admittedly, slightly vague.

I wonder how the birthers will ramp it up after Obama wins

because you know they will

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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:02:21pm

Walk Back!!!

Says his spokesman Hogan Gidley to POLITICO:

“Governor Huckabee simply misspoke when he alluded to President Obama growing up in ‘Kenya.’ The Governor meant to say the President grew up in Indonesia.”

[Link: www.politico.com…]

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:02:40pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

You mean like John McCain?

IMHO, unlike Obama’s, McCain’s status as a natural born citizen is open to question. In regard to the question under discussion, note that they had to make a special retroactive law to grant citizenship to all kids born to at least one American parent in the Canal zone. I.e. these kids weren’t automatically citizens, much less natural born ones.

PS: Also, IIRC, McCain never released his birth certificate.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:03:17pm

re: #158 ggt

I’m disappointed in Huck.

I was disappointed before! now I’ve just written him off as another opportunist racist shithead, playing ball with these neo-klan birther types

Maybe he believes some of this kenyan nonsense, maybe he’s totally just gaming it for the benefit of the rubes, either way, he’s garbage

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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:03:21pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

Walk Back!!!

[Link: www.politico.com…]

Yeah, he just brought up the Mau Mau for, uh, oops. LIAR

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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:03:28pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

Walk Back!!!

[Link: www.politico.com…]

Tarkin misspoke when he said he blew up Alderaan.
Or something.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:03:33pm

re: #170 celticdragon

Two of my Scottish ancestors fought against the British at Kings Mountain during the Revolution, I am happy to say! :)

The cabin owned by my family is still standing and is now part of the National Military Park!

How very cool!

The story of the Pennsylvania Rifleman and the Scottish history pertaining to it is very interesting to me.

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Charleston Chew Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:03:50pm

re: #165 Gus 802

Yeah. But they seem to like British imperialism of the past. Except for when it applied to the 13 colonies. So it’s cool for them when they were in Africa. In North America? Not so much.

Because Republicans are vehemently opposed to the oppression of rich white guys. And fuck everyone else.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:04:10pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

Walk Back!!!

[Link: www.politico.com…]

Oh let’s watch the pigs dance in real time!

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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:04:14pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

Walk Back!!!

[Link: www.politico.com…]

Yeah, now comes the CYA portion of the mating dance. The BS is already out there, which the Tea Party will gladly lap up, with this walk back being rationalized as something he was “forced” to say.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:05:11pm

re: #175 Stanley Sea

Yeah, he just brought up the Mau Mau for, uh, oops. LIAR

Yeah, totally

It’s funny, he’s the guy I’d point to pre-08 to my friends who were more liberal than me, going “Well, Huckabee ain’t so bad!”

Well, now he is WAY WORSE, so yeah, climb a wall of cocks, Huckabee

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celticdragon Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:05:33pm

re: #169 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

American exceptionalism. It was our being such an excellent, free nation that allowed us to overthrow the Brits. Anybody who failed simply wasn’t as ~~great~~ white as we are.

Targetpractice is dead on the mark as usual, but the emphasis needs a little enhancement.

Ethnocentric casual racism sucks. It sucks even more when pseudo intellectual hacks like Newt try to shine this particular turd.

Unfortunately, this nasty little meme keeps right on going…

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Lidane Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:06:10pm

Scott Walker: Cut $900 Million from Education

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:06:36pm

re: #182 celticdragon

How did Newt get to be called an “intellectual”? By contrast?

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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:06:42pm

re: #183 Lidane

Scott Walker: Cut $900 Million from Education

This clown is so getting recalled in 8 or so months.

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celticdragon Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:06:56pm

re: #183 Lidane

Scott Walker: Cut $900 Million from Education

Hawk/spit

Son of a bitch.

I got nothing to respond to that.

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Political Atheist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:07:27pm

re: #145 wrenchwench
re: #173 Sergey Romanov

Wasn’t there an issue with Barry Goldwater? Born in a US territory, not a state yet. Arizona. Not foreign territory (unless you are from NY LOL) but not a state either.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:07:41pm

re: #185 Varek Raith

This clown is so getting recalled in 8 or so months.

well, he’ll get his wish, which is a national presence so he can jump to a possible VP slot. Maybe being recalled will give him a martyr status among the sorts of people who polish their Turner Diaries every night

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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:08:01pm

re: #185 Varek Raith

This clown is so getting recalled in 8 or so months.

I mean, he’s acting like a tinpot dictator.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:08:06pm

The Americas was part of the United Kingdom’s “First British Empire”. This lasted between 1583 and 1783. Followed by the “Second British Empire”.

The “Imperial Century” lasted between 1815 and 1914.

This map shows the 13 colonies which was once a part of the British Empire.

The 13 colonies were an “Imperial holding”.

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simoom Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:08:37pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

Walk Back!!!

[Link: www.politico.com…]

Sheesh. Ben Smith has really been carrying water for the 2012 potential candidates lately, making excuses for them and putting his stamp of approval on their explanations:

Mike Huckabee, who has never indulged paranoia about Obama’s birth — and who has generally chided vitriolic attacks on the president and First Lady — pretty clearly misspoke in a radio interview today, prompting a boomlet of outrage.

I suppose he also misspoke when responding to a Birther question with, “I would love to know more. What I know is troubling enough.”

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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:08:50pm

re: #190 Gus 802

The Americas was part of the United Kingdom’s “First British Empire”. This lasted between 1583 and 1783. Followed by the “Second British Empire”.

The “Imperial Century” lasted between 1815 and 1914.

This map shows the 13 colonies which was once a part of the British Empire.

The 13 colonies were an “Imperial holding”.

Hold the phone!
The Brits were imperialistic?!
Unpossible!

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Charleston Chew Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:08:51pm

re: #175 Stanley Sea

Yeah, he just brought up the Mau Mau for, uh, oops. LIAR

This is just an innocent mix-up. I sure Huckabee meant the Mau Mau Revolution in Hawaii.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:08:52pm

re: #189 Varek Raith

I mean, he’s acting like a tinpot dictator.

He’s acting like a Republican :) Who doesn’t care about re-election.

He’s gunning for VP, so he probably doesn’t care about a recall

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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:08:56pm

re: #182 celticdragon

Targetpractice is dead on the mark as usual, but the emphasis needs a little enhancement.

Ethnocentric casual racism sucks. It sucks even more when pseudo intellectual hacks like Newt try to shine this particular turd.

Unfortunately, this nasty little meme keeps right on going…

How very true, I was just getting ready to comment on that. When we were under British rule, it was “oppression.” When anybody else was under British rule, it was beneficial because they were being “civilized.” Just like when we began to dabble in imperialism, it wasn’t bad because we were “civilizing” the “savages” of every land we touched. See: Perry, Matthew C.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:09:00pm

re: #183 Lidane

Scott Walker: Cut $900 Million from Education

Congratulations to the Republican Party! You have another real winner there.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:09:15pm

re: #193 Charleston Chew

This is just an innocent mix-up. I sure Huckabee meant the Mau Mau Revolution in Hawaii.

my CAT mau mau! My kenyan…cat.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:09:29pm

Uh Mike the British were a bunch of imperialists. I know they’re our ally but you can’t deny that simple fact of history. And you know what American colonials who fought against the British in the revolution were fighting imperialists. Americans who fought against the Kaiser in WWI were, you guessed it, fighting imperialists. Gits fighting the Nazis and Japanese in WWII? also fighting imperialists. We’re Americans. We should be anti-imperialists. THe attempt by Huckabee and Gingrich and Dinesh D’Sousa before him to turn anti colonialism in to a bad thing is pathetic.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:09:45pm

re: #192 Varek Raith

Hold the phone!
The Brits were imperialistic?!
Unpossible!

Right. Hey, they basically screwed up almost every country they invaded. Invaded. I-n-v-a-d-e-d.

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Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:10:42pm

OT, but Bristol Palin at the ripe old age of 20, has inked a book deal about her life.

Your text to link…

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:10:50pm

re: #199 Gus 802

Right. Hey, they basically screwed up almost every country they invaded. Invaded. I-n-v-a-d-e-d.

But Huckabee is talking to people who not only don’t read history, they don’t read at all

So it doesn’t matter! He can make shit up. History is irrelevant. These people don’t read, they listen to talk radio. That’s where they get all their information.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:10:54pm

re: #183 Lidane

Scott Walker: Cut $900 Million from Education

And he digs himself in to a deeper hole. Keep going Scotty, you may find Jimmy Hoffa or even China at this rate!

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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:10:55pm

What the hell is this nonsense about anti-imperialism somehow being wrong?

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:11:19pm

re: #201 WindUpBird

But Huckabee is talking to people who not only don’t read history, they don’t read at all

So it doesn’t matter! He can make shit up. History is irrelevant. These people don’t read, they listen to talk radio. That’s where they get all their information.

They read the Bible.

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celticdragon Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:11:23pm

re: #189 Varek Raith

I mean, he’s acting like a tinpot dictator.

Maybe he can get the guys from ~~Blackwater~~ Xe to guard the capital building now that the cops have told him to frak himself.

Nothing says going Galt like hiring mercenaries! After all, the invisible hand of the market place can still clench a machine gun, right?

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recusancy Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:11:50pm

re: #191 simoom

Sheesh. Ben Smith has really been carrying water for the 2012 potential candidates lately, making excuses for them and putting his stamp of approval on their explanations:

I suppose he also misspoke when responding to a Birther question with, “I would love to know more. What I know is troubling enough.”

It’s politico. What do you expect?

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:11:53pm

re: #203 Varek Raith

What the hell is this nonsense about anti-imperialism somehow being wrong?

because then they would have to admit whitey(GB) was wrong.

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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:11:55pm

re: #183 Lidane

Scott Walker: Cut $900 Million from Education

“This is a reform budget,” Walker said in prepared remarks. “It is about getting Wisconsin working again, and to make that happen, we need a balanced budget that works — and an environment where the private sector can create 250,000 jobs over the next four years.”

Love to know where he got that number from, because based upon smell alone, it seems like he pulled it out of his ass.

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lostlakehiker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:11:57pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

You mean like John McCain?

(a) Panama Canal Zone counts as home territory.
(b) John McCain’s father was a U.S. citizen. [In fact, an admiral in the U.S. Navy, and one with a great won/lost record in WW 2.] When both parents are U.S. citizens, birthplace becomes moot.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:12:01pm

re: #203 Varek Raith

What the hell is this nonsense about anti-imperialism somehow being wrong?

Because they’ve confused it with the Communist meme of American imperialism. Thus they think all definition of imperialism are equal.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:12:21pm

re: #206 recusancy

It’s politico. What do you expect?

I don’t think I’ve looked at Politico in months, too smarmy

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wrenchwench Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:12:28pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

Walk Back!!!

[Link: www.politico.com…]

Not a big improvement:

“When the Governor mentioned he wanted to know more about the President, he wasn’t talking about the President’s place of birth – the Governor believes the President was born in Hawaii. The Governor would however like to know more about where President Obama’s liberal policies come from and what else the President plans to do to this country – as do most Americans.”

“Believes”, not “knows”, and “plans to do to this country”, still disrespectful and pandering.

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recusancy Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:12:37pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

And he digs himself in to a deeper hole. Keep going Scotty, you may find Jimmy Hoffa or even China at this rate!

That would be ironic if he found Hoffa.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:12:43pm

So if Hugo Chavez says, “American imperialism!” that means imperialism must be good.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:12:45pm

re: #173 Sergey Romanov

In regard to McCain also don’t forget that the Senate had a resolution recognizing him as an NBC.

[Link: thomas.loc.gov…]

Hardly necessary if there was no doubt about him as an NBC.

IOW, Obama released his BC and his NBC status set in stone: birthers.
McCain’s status is not without doubt and he never released his BC: no questions asked.

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Lidane Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:13:09pm

re: #203 Varek Raith

What the hell is this nonsense about anti-imperialism somehow being wrong?

Because Kenyans should have been grateful for British imperial rule. You know, unlike the United States, who also kicked out the British.

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BongCrodny Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:13:15pm

I always thought this country needed a President named Mike.

Not this one, however.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:13:18pm

re: #213 recusancy

That would be ironic if he found Hoffa.

Hoffa was put thru a paper shredder or some such thing. It would be hard to find all the parts.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:13:26pm

re: #212 wrenchwench

Not a big improvement:

“Believes”, not “knows”, and “plans to do to this country”, still disrespectful and pandering.

it’s racist garbage, it’s a dance. Walk it forward, walk it back. As soon as he ends up on some other crazy’s show, the dance will start anew

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wrenchwench Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:13:29pm

re: #209 lostlakehiker

(a) Panama Canal Zone counts as home territory.
(b) John McCain’s father was a U.S. citizen. [In fact, an admiral in the U.S. Navy, and one with a great won/lost record in WW 2.] When both parents are U.S. citizens, birthplace becomes moot.

I thought birthplace was moot with ONE parent who is a US citizen.

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Randall Gross Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:13:32pm

The bulk of world problems emanate from ex British and French colonies. Wonder why that is?

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celticdragon Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:14:05pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

And he digs himself in to a deeper hole. Keep going Scotty, you may find Jimmy Hoffa or even China at this rate!

While he is at it, he can send me some samples from the lower boundary of the continental crust at the mantle interface. I can use them for my master’s thesis.

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lostlakehiker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:14:07pm

re: #187 Rightwingconspirator

re: #173 Sergey Romanov

Wasn’t there an issue with Barry Goldwater? Born in a US territory, not a state yet. Arizona. Not foreign territory (unless you are from NY LOL) but not a state either.

There was a dustup some time back, when a citizen moved from NY to NM. When they asked for their check to be sent to the new address, the NY Social Security office refused, saying they didn’t pay social security to persons living outside the United States.

The author of that decision was called to testify before the U.S. Senate, by the Senator from N.M.

(Details may be off but that’s the gist of it.)

The checks then arrived.

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ihateronpaul Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:14:09pm

honestly I’m shocked. sure, huckabee is a homophobic piece of shit, but I thought he was above this. I guess not.

Just remember
a republican never met a racially loaded phrase he didn’t like

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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:14:26pm

re: #217 BongCrodny

I always thought this country needed a President named Mike.

Not this one, however.

Well, I had given though to running for the presidency, but then I realized that I’m already unpopular enough. Plus I couldn’t keep a straight face, knowing how much bullshit I was spouting on a daily basis.

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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:14:39pm

re: #193 Charleston Chew

This is just an innocent mix-up. I sure Huckabee meant the Mau Mau Revolution in Hawaii.

That was the Pau P’au revolution.

[Link: www.surfing-wind-surfing.info…]

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Charleston Chew Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:14:43pm

re: #209 lostlakehiker

(a) Panama Canal Zone counts as home territory.
(b) John McCain’s father was a U.S. citizen. [In fact, an admiral in the U.S. Navy, and one with a great won/lost record in WW 2.] When both parents are U.S. citizens, birthplace becomes moot.

I was under the impression that one parent was enough.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:15:15pm

re: #227 Charleston Chew

I was under the impression that one parent was enough.

You’d be correct.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:15:21pm

re: #227 Charleston Chew

I was under the impression that one parent was enough.

Lostlakehiker gets his facts wrong constantly

You’d think we’d all be used to it by now :D

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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:15:46pm

re: #226 Stanley Sea

That was the Pau P’au revolution.

[Link: www.surfing-wind-surfing.info…]

Hawaii, Kenya…
Close enough.
/

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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:16:09pm

re: #221 Thanos

The bulk of world problems emanate from ex British and French colonies. Wonder why that is?

Hey man, imperialism did wonders for France! Just look at French Indochina…er, perhaps not such a good example…

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:16:30pm

re: #230 Varek Raith

Hawaii, Kenya…
Close enough.
/

Do Kenyan’s have little Hula Dolls on their dashboards?

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lostlakehiker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:17:00pm

re: #220 wrenchwench

I thought birthplace was moot with ONE parent who is a US citizen.

Are you sure? If I recall, citizenship is then a muddied question and the rules ask for further details. Imagine say French mother, American father, child born in France. The French could be excused for taking the view that the child was French, n’est ce pas?

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:17:15pm

re: #232 MikeySDCA

The word in Mafia circles at the time, or so I have been told, was that he’s under an overpass abutment.

I thought his parts got put into a foundation of a building …

Concrete casket either way.

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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:17:24pm

re: #232 MikeySDCA

The word in Mafia circles at the time, or so I have been told, was that he’s under an overpass abutment.

Let’s dig up some overpasses!
How many could there possibly be???

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:18:01pm

re: #234 lostlakehiker

Are you sure? If I recall, citizenship is then a muddied question and the rules ask for further details. Imagine say French mother, American father, child born in France. The French could be excused for taking the view that the child was French, n’est ce pas?

dual citizenship?

Can you have dual citizenship and still run for POTUS?

Vincente Fox did it in Mexico, no?

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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:18:33pm

re: #236 Varek Raith

Let’s dig up some overpasses!
How many could there possibly be???

And make Geraldo do it.

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Lidane Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:19:45pm

re: #234 lostlakehiker

Imagine say French mother, American father, child born in France. The French could be excused for taking the view that the child was French, n’est ce pas?

Except that I have a cousin that fits that description exactly. She’s American, and has been all her life.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:20:14pm

I swear, it’s just pathetic that this is what the Republican Party has become. Some parties evolve with the years. It seems to me that the Republican party ever since Obama got elected has been dedicated to devolution.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:21:40pm

Just thinking of the Tribbles …

A Growing Debate: How To Define ‘Organic’ Food

Just over a month ago, the Department of Agriculture announced that it will allow American farmers to plant genetically engineered alfalfa, which is widely used as feed for dairy cows and horses.

Organic food producers opposed the USDA’s decision — some more fiercely than others. That split has provoked angry debates within the organics community, with some activists accusing organic businesses of “surrendering” to the biotech company Monsanto. And it has reopened some old arguments about what’s most important in the label “organic.”

The cause of this dispute is not easily visible, at first, in the rolling pastures of an organic dairy operated by Horizon Organic near Kennedyville, in eastern Maryland. During the summer, the farm’s cows graze on hundreds of acres of pasture.

But the grass doesn’t grow in wintertime, so on this February day, the cows are eating inside. Farm manager Dudley McHenry explains that the animals eat a mixture of corn silage, clover, alfalfa, corn, soybeans and a grass called triticale. And there’s a tiny bit of something in that feed — mainly in the corn — that’s provoking the current disagreements among people who all describe themselves as defenders of organic farming.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:21:58pm

re: #209 lostlakehiker

(a) Panama Canal Zone counts as home territory.
(b) John McCain’s father was a U.S. citizen. [In fact, an admiral in the U.S. Navy, and one with a great won/lost record in WW 2.] When both parents are U.S. citizens, birthplace becomes moot.

Read this:

[Link: www.michiganlawreview.org…]

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:22:15pm

” FUN FACT! anti-union cheerleaders bill o’reilly, sean hannity, and rush limbaugh are all members of AFTRA.”

from Patton Oswalt’s twiiter

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:23:01pm

God, I hate this idiot.

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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:23:06pm

re: #244 WindUpBird

” FUN FACT! anti-union cheerleaders bill o’reilly, sean hannity, and rush limbaugh are all members of AFTRA.”

from Patton Oswalt’s twiiter

You can’t explain that.

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celticdragon Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:23:07pm

re: #241 HappyWarrior

I swear, it’s just pathetic that this is what the Republican Party has become. Some parties evolve with the years. It seems to me that the Republican party ever since Obama got elected has been dedicated to ~~devolution.~~ Intelligent Design and a 6,000 year old Earth that was made with an appearance of old age, because God likes to play tricks on us and test our faith while Satan hides fossil Trilobites in shale beds.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:23:09pm

re: #244 WindUpBird

” FUN FACT! anti-union cheerleaders bill o’reilly, sean hannity, and rush limbaugh are all members of AFTRA.”

from Patton Oswalt’s twiiter

I saw that. Union for me but not for thee I guess.

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lostlakehiker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:23:21pm

re: #229 WindUpBird

Lostlakehiker gets his facts wrong constantly

You’d think we’d all be used to it by now :D

You know, I didn’t say that one parent meant no citizenship. I said nothing on that question, because I DIDN’T KNOW FOR SURE.

So, here’s what Wikipedia reports. You will observe that my caution was justified. When only one parent is a citizen, things GET COMPLICATED.

A child is automatically granted citizenship in the following cases:

1. Both parents were U.S. citizens at the time of the child’s birth
2. The parents are married
3. At least one parent lived in the United States prior to the child’s birth. INA 301(c) and INA 301(a)(3) state, “and one of whom has had a residence.”

The FAM (Foreign Affairs Manual) states “no amount of time specified.”

A person’s record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of citizenship. They may also apply for a passport or a Certificate of Citizenship to have their citizenship recognized.
[edit] Birth abroad to one United States citizen

A person born on or after November 14, 1986, is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true (different rules apply if child was born out-of-wedlock):[7]

1. The person’s parents were married at time of birth
2. One of the person’s parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born
3. The citizen parent lived at least five years in the United States before the child’s birth
4. A minimum of two of these five years in the United States were after the citizen parent’s 14th birthday.

INA 301(g) makes additional provisions to satisfy the physical-presence requirements for periods citizens spent abroad in “honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization”. Additionally citizens who spent time living abroad as the “dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person” in any of the previously mentioned organizations can also be counted.

A person’s record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of citizenship. Such a person may also apply for a passport or a Certificate of Citizenship to have a record of citizenship. Such documentation is often useful to prove citizenship in lieu of the availability of an American birth certificate.

Different rules apply for persons born abroad to one U.S. citizen before November 14, 1986. United States law on this subject changed multiple times throughout the twentieth century, and the law is applicable as it existed at the time of the individual’s birth.

For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true (except if born out-of-wedlock)[7]:

1. The person’s parents were married at the time of birth
2. One of the person’s parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
3. The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child’s birth;
4. A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent’s 14th birthday.

For persons born out-of-wedlock (mother) if all the following apply:

1. the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the person’s birth and
2. the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the person’s birth.[8] (See link for those born to a U.S. father out-of-wedlock)[7]

[edit]

Note the qualifying rules. It turns out that in some cases, just having one parent in the marriage be a U.S. citizen is not sufficient.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:23:33pm

re: #204 ggt

They read the Bible.

I’m not so sure about that :D I mean, they read where they’re told to read, by the guy in front who interprets it for them. I don’t believe as a whole they’re REALLY reading it.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:23:53pm

re: #248 HappyWarrior

I saw that. Union for me but not for thee I guess.

of course! That’s the American way! I Got Mine

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Charleston Chew Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:24:16pm

re: #234 lostlakehiker

Are you sure? If I recall, citizenship is then a muddied question and the rules ask for further details. Imagine say French mother, American father, child born in France. The French could be excused for taking the view that the child was French, n’est ce pas?

I believe the rule is that the parent who was a US citizen has to have lived within the US for at least 5 years (total), two of which after they are 14 years old. After that, any child they have is a US citizen.

http://www.uscis.gov

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:24:25pm

re: #238 ggt

Dual citizenship cannot have a bearing, if you think about it. Otherwise North Korea will just grant citizenship to all Americans and none of you will be eligible :P

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celticdragon Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:24:28pm

re: #245 Gus 802

God, I hate this idiot.

Who the fuck started the notion that union workers are not tax payers??

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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:24:42pm

re: #245 Gus 802

God, I hate this idiot.

Tsk,tsk. Tagging the American flag. Why does he hate America?
/

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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:24:47pm

re: #247 celticdragon

Hahaha well played, knew someone was going to do something like that. I swear. The fact that Huckabee whom is a Republican front runner is engaging in this kind of rhetoric is such nonsense. Now, I have to wonder if Mitt Romney will too. Mitt himself is American born but his father had a lot of question marks and unlike Obama actually was born in a foreign country.

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Political Atheist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:24:51pm

Conservative Supreme Court? Surprise!

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lostlakehiker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:25:37pm

re: #240 Lidane

Except that I have a cousin that fits that description exactly. She’s American, and has been all her life.

I just checked in Wikipedia. There are exceptions to the general rule that the child of a married couple in which one partner is a U.S. citizen is itself a citizen. But my French what if, offered as a possible exception, is not actually one of them.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:25:48pm

re: #254 celticdragon

Who the fuck started the notion that union workers are not tax payers??

Pretty dumb isn’t it? I had to respond.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:25:57pm

re: #249 lostlakehiker

Please, I thought it went without saying that you have to actually be living in the US for a period of time 9_9

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:25:59pm

re: #253 Sergey Romanov

Dual citizenship cannot have a bearing, if you think about it. Otherwise North Korea will just grant citizenship to all Americans and none of you will be eligible :P

My concern is that we would have a POTUS with dual citizenship and he/she would be able to vote in another country’s elections while serving as our POTUS.

Seems like a conflict of interest and, perhaps, a situation that could lead to collusion (in an extreme way).

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lostlakehiker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:26:08pm

re: #252 Charleston Chew

I believe the rule is that the parent who was a US citizen has to have lived within the US for at least 5 years (total), two of which after they are 14 years old. After that, any child they have is a US citizen.

http://www.uscis.gov

Good memory.

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wrenchwench Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:26:14pm

re: #240 Lidane

Except that I have a cousin that fits that description exactly. She’s American, and has been all her life.

I have a niece with two passports, US and German. I think she has to choose just the US one if she wants to run for president.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:26:34pm

re: #245 Gus 802

who’s he? Some radio jock?

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:27:07pm

re: #254 celticdragon

Who the fuck started the notion that union workers are not tax payers??

The same dumb fuckers who tell public employees “I pay your salary”!

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celticdragon Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:27:12pm

Going to go watch the news and have some dinner. BBL.

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:27:24pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

And he digs himself in to a deeper hole. Keep going Scotty, you may find Jimmy Hoffa or even China at this rate!

Hoffa he might find, but I think Hell is in between Huck and China.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:27:53pm

re: #265 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The same dumb fuckers who tell public employees “I pay your salary”!

That’s a sure sign of dumbitude right there

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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:28:05pm

re: #267 b_sharp

Hoffa he might find, but I think Hell is in between Huck and China.

Please, like he’d make it past the morlocks to even reach hell???

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:28:09pm

re: #209 lostlakehiker

When both parents are U.S. citizens, birthplace becomes moot.

Reference?

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:28:50pm

The U.S. Owes China $1.2 Trillion

On a more immediate note, our huge debt to China can be a bit unsettling. It feels like they own us now, like they have all this power over us.

But if you’re China, you’re looking at the U.S. and thinking: The U.S. owes us all this money. I hope the U.S. economy stays healthy so they can pay us back (and so they can keep buying our stuff). For China, the U.S. is too big to fail.

And it’s not just China. Japan holds nearly $900 billion in U.S. government debt. In all, U.S. debt held abroad totals some $4.4 trillion.

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lostlakehiker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:28:52pm

re: #260 WindUpBird

Please, I thought it went without saying that you have to actually be living in the US for a period of time 9_9

Well, then from the way you were looking at the question, you’d be right.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:29:09pm

re: #264 WindUpBird

who’s he? Some radio jock?

Not really. Well, sort of. He does videos for Pajama’s Media and National Center for Public Policy Research. He’s this lame right wing comedian of sorts. See [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:29:21pm

re: #261 ggt

My concern is that we would have a POTUS with dual citizenship and he/she would be able to vote in another country’s elections while serving as our POTUS.

Seems like a conflict of interest and, perhaps, a situation that could lead to collusion (in an extreme way).

I understand this, but the solution is simple - don’t elect such a President.

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TedStriker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:30:40pm

re: #134 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The only way they’ll run Romney at the top of the ticket is if they got a Tea Partier on the bottom of it. Pull in a Chris Cristie, or a Scott Walker, or even a Michele Bachman. Basically a re-run of ‘08, only this time they think they can win by simply attacking Obama, rather than his policies.

If that’s how the GOP wants to play it, I hope Romney has enough self-respect and integrity left to tell them to shove it up their asses.

I’d pay to see that…

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:30:50pm

re: #273 Gus 802

Not really. Well, sort of. He does videos for Pajama’s Media and National Center for Public Policy Research. He’s this lame right wing comedian of sorts. See [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Oh! He’s a wannabe!

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Lidane Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:31:09pm

re: #263 wrenchwench

I have a niece with two passports, US and German. I think she has to choose just the US one if she wants to run for president.

My father was a naturalized American citizen from Mexico. I could’ve had dual citizenship between the US and Mexico, but both my parents decided that the kids would be Americans, and that was final. They never bothered with getting extra citizenship papers or passports or anything.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:31:46pm

The sad part is that Huckabee and the others who play this game know Obama is as American as you or I but they know it will them votes. It’s the same strategy that worked for segregation where politicans played the race card to strum up support. It’s a lot easier to get voters to pay attention to you if you’re shouting Obama is different from you and me and he might not even be from this country than Obama’s an American, I disagree with him but he’s American. History repeats itself and Santayana again finds himself quoted.

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:31:50pm

re: #203 Varek Raith

What the hell is this nonsense about anti-imperialism somehow being wrong?

It’s a Leftist Ideal™, so through guilt by association it too takes on an evil attribute.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:32:01pm

re: #234 lostlakehiker

Are you sure? If I recall, citizenship is then a muddied question and the rules ask for further details. Imagine say French mother, American father, child born in France. The French could be excused for taking the view that the child was French, n’est ce pas?

That’s why many people have dual citizenship.

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Lidane Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:32:02pm

re: #275 talon_262

If that’s how the GOP wants to play it, I hope Romney has enough self-respect and integrity left to tell them to shove it up their asses.

I’d pay to see that…

Have you looked at Romney’s political career? The guy wouldn’t know self-respect or integrity if they came up and bit him in the ass.

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lostlakehiker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:32:04pm

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

Reference?

It turns out I wasn’t quite right about that.

A child is automatically granted citizenship in the following cases:

1. Both parents were U.S. citizens at the time of the child’s birth
2. The parents are married
3. At least one parent lived in the United States prior to the child’s birth. INA 301(c) and INA 301(a)(3) state, “and one of whom has had a residence.”

The third rule means that my guess as to the law when both parents are citizens was wrong. Two citizen parents, married, both of whom never lived in the U.S., would be an exception.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:32:06pm

re: #277 Lidane

My father was a naturalized American citizen from Mexico. I could’ve had dual citizenship between the US and Mexico, but both my parents decided that the kids would be Americans, and that was final. They never bothered with getting extra citizenship papers or passports or anything.

A friend of mine is Canadian and Australian dual citizenship, which is pretty handy for her because she travels a ton

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:32:30pm

If the GOP had their way the USS Ronald Reagan would have been assembled in China.

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:32:51pm

re: #268 WindUpBird

That’s a sure sign of dumbitude right there

When I was in the Marines, I actually had some asshole pull the “I’m a taxpayer, I pay your salary” once.

I loved having a XO who had an office right across the hall. He lived for moments like that.

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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:32:51pm

re: #284 Gus 802

If the GOP had their way the USS Ronald Reagan would have been assembled in China.

/

And then promptly sunk.
/

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:34:19pm

re: #286 Varek Raith

And then promptly sunk.
/

Obviously, we need a replacement. Order a dozen more.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:35:01pm

re: #249 lostlakehiker

You know, I didn’t say that one parent meant no citizenship. I said nothing on that question, because I DIDN’T KNOW FOR SURE.

So, here’s what Wikipedia reports. You will observe that my caution was justified. When only one parent is a citizen, things GET COMPLICATED.

Note the qualifying rules. It turns out that in some cases, just having one parent in the marriage be a U.S. citizen is not sufficient.

That rule is so that U.S. citizenship is not passed down as a birthright for generations in a family that has left the country and does not plan to return. The rules remain the same whether one or two parents are citizens.

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:35:07pm

re: #287 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obviously, we need a replacement. Order a dozen more.

Don’t you have to order them in bulk to begin with?

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:36:01pm

re: #286 Varek Raith

And then promptly sunk.
/

Help wanted. Shipyard workers. No experience necessary. Must be between the ages of 8 and 14 years old. Hard working whites only. Work hours are from 5 AM to 10 PM 7 days a week. Call 1-800-WINGNUT

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:36:03pm

I’ll just reiterate my thoughts on the subject with a driveby self quote from the last open thread:

re: #662 prononymous

To expand on this a little. As you say, in realty the effect on his eligibility for the presidency would be zero even if he was born in Kenya.

But they probably think that if they could prove he was born in Kenya they would get to have a showdown over the meaning of “natural born” citizen. IMO, that is part of what they want, as much as any desire to oust Obama.

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:36:09pm

re: #289 b_sharp

Don’t you have to order them in bulk to begin with?

You don’t have to, but it will cost you.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:36:53pm

re: #292 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You don’t have to, but it will cost you.

The price quoted was for bulk orders.

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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:37:02pm

re: #287 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obviously, we need a replacement. Order a dozen more.

And then order them to stop exploding.

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:38:39pm

re: #294 Varek Raith

And then order them to stop exploding.

Next time buy them from Russia. They build them like a rock.

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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:39:58pm

re: #295 b_sharp

Next time buy them from Russia. They build them like a rock.

Just don’t ask about safety features. Plus, nuclear engineers who glow in the dark are an added bonus, save on electricity costs below-decks.

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recusancy Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:40:53pm

Just registered peakwingnut.com. I’m getting some ideas.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:41:23pm

re: #297 recusancy

Just registered peakwingnut.com. I’m getting some ideas.

Call 1-800-WINGNUT

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goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:42:51pm

So now Huckabee says he was simply mistaken, and meant Indonesia. However he got pretty damned specific about British rule and the Mao Mao’s for somebody who claims to have been thinking of Indonesia. What a slimy piece of shit.

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RadicalModerate Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:43:21pm

re: #271 ggt

The U.S. Owes China $1.2 Trillion

I’m waiting for the right-wing spin claiming that the massive debt to China is the Democratic Party’s (and Obama’s) fault.

Never mind that the claim has absolutely no basis in fact, as China started the massive purchasing of US debt in 2002 - and they became the primary debt-holder in 2008, passing Japan.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

Can someone refresh my memory which party controlled all three branches of the federal government during those years?

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:44:43pm

re: #299 goddamnedfrank

So now Huckabee says he was simply mistaken, and meant Indonesia. However he got pretty damned specific about British rule and the Mao Mao’s for somebody who claims to have been thinking of Indonesia. What a slimy piece of shit.

So his radio audience will remain clueless while he tells the rest of America “I made a mistake”? Yeah, he’s a dirtbag.

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:45:14pm

re: #300 RadicalModerate

I’m waiting for the right-wing spin claiming that the massive debt to China is the Democratic Party’s (and Obama’s) fault.

Never mind that the claim has absolutely no basis in fact, as China started the massive purchasing of US debt in 2002 - and they became the primary debt-holder in 2008, passing Japan.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

Can someone refresh my memory which party controlled all three branches of the federal government during those years?

The Greed Party?

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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:45:28pm

re: #94 Kid A

I don’t want to sound weird, but is anybody getting a kick out of watching the Republican Party go the way of the Titanic as much as I am?

You are not alone, my friend. You are not alone. ;p

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:45:45pm

re: #302 b_sharp

The Greed Party?

I think both parties qualify for that title.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:47:00pm

re: #299 goddamnedfrank

So now Huckabee says he was simply mistaken, and meant Indonesia. However he got pretty damned specific about British rule and the Mao Mao’s for somebody who claims to have been thinking of Indonesia. What a slimy piece of shit.

WHO BUYS THIS SHIT

(don’t answer that) :D

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:47:13pm

re: #299 goddamnedfrank

So now Huckabee says he was simply mistaken, and meant Indonesia. However he got pretty damned specific about British rule and the Mao Mao’s for somebody who claims to have been thinking of Indonesia. What a slimy piece of shit.

I almost always try to be charitable and a devil’s advocate, but there comes a time when I must say: “You lie, lying sack of lying shit!”.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:47:25pm

re: #305 WindUpBird

WHO BUYS THIS SHIT

(don’t answer that) :D

Buy gold!

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:47:37pm

I’m just going to go watch Charlie Sheen’s twitter feed gain followers

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RadicalModerate Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:47:40pm

re: #299 goddamnedfrank

So now Huckabee says he was simply mistaken, and meant Indonesia. However he got pretty damned specific about British rule and the Mao Mao’s for somebody who claims to have been thinking of Indonesia. What a slimy piece of shit.

You know, all these self-righteous social conservative Christians who constantly are claiming they have the high moral ground in their words and actions seem to be falling all over themselves about that breaking that “bearing false witness” commandment.

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Firstinla Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:47:46pm

re: #299 goddamnedfrank

And he was simply mistaken when he said Michelle Obama was a transexual, and meant auto mechanic.
/

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:48:04pm

re: #307 Gus 802

Buy gold!

EACH HUCKABEE DOLLAR WILL BE WORTH FIVE BRITISH POUNDS…

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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:48:13pm

Huckabee was clearly pandering to the worst elements of his party and base. And his comment about Obama having a very different view of the Brits than most Americans is a weird one. Yeah most Americans do treasure our alliance with them but a lot of Americans don’t think too much of past British foreign policy. It’s gotten to the point of ridiculousness really. They know their base won’t respond if they try to discuss the issues civilly and in a fair minded way so they pander to this shit and it sadly works. Though Crazy Pam will decry Huckabee saying it’s a waste of time to focus on his citizenship.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:49:35pm

Sorry Lizards, I have some bad news to share:

DEA Bans ‘Fake Pot’ Products That Emulate Marijuana

Huffman has always warned people not to smoke any products containing the chemical. In 2009, he repeated that warning in an interview with The State newspaper: “Do not use this stuff,” he said. “We don’t know how toxic it is.”

Announcing the ban, DEA Administrator Michele M. Leonhart said, “Young people are being harmed when they smoke these dangerous ‘fake pot’ products and wrongly equate the products’ ‘legal’ retail availability with being ‘safe.’”

Despite the ban, it seems likely that some manufacturers will try to adapt their formulas so they include cannabinoid chemicals other than the five banned Monday.

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Political Atheist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:49:41pm

re: #300 RadicalModerate

Claiming that debt is any one parties or Presidents fault would just be another lie in a long train of similar lies. Heck it’s not a partisan issue in the least. IMO no President would have been able to stop the Chinese from buying in on our debt. None chose to intervene seriously on the traded deficit so why on the debt? I can blame Republican President Nixon for setting in motion where we are today. Modern China was built on western dollars.

But when did a party seize control of the judicial branch?

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:49:56pm

re: #307 Gus 802

Buy gold!

Water, buy water!

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:50:21pm

re: #315 ggt

Water, buy water!

You’ll need a reverse osmosis water filter!

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:50:43pm

re: #313 ggt

Sorry Lizards, I have some bad news to share:

DEA Bans ‘Fake Pot’ Products That Emulate Marijuana

Don’t need any of it. I’m already always sleepy.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:51:14pm

re: #316 Gus 802

You’ll need a reverse osmosis water filter!

Invest in Reverse Osmosis Water Filters!

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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:51:53pm

re: #313 ggt

Sorry Lizards, I have some bad news to share:

DEA Bans ‘Fake Pot’ Products That Emulate Marijuana

Frak it, that’s it, I’m movin’ to Canada…hold my calls while I’m gone.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:52:01pm

re: #318 ggt

Invest in Reverse Osmosis Water Filters!

Gold-Plated Reverse Osmosis Water Filters!

No alien will be able to control it. Not even Obama!

////////

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:52:10pm

re: #318 ggt

Invest in Reverse Osmosis Water Filters!

Buy now and get a years supply of banjo strings free!

That’s right. Free!

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:53:42pm

re: #318 ggt

Invest in Reverse Osmosis Water Filters!

Buy Gold Reverse Osmosis Water Filters to water your survival seeds!

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Political Atheist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:53:56pm

re: #313 ggt

I’m about as anxious to try that as I would be to eat “strawberry flavored product” with red dye number whatever as compared to a nice fresh strawberry. With cream. Oh hell now I’m hungry again.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:54:50pm

And for your wife. We have this wonderful General Electric freezer fully stocked with prime frozen squirrel meat!

Enjoy a years worth of squirrel steaks, squirrel burgers, or perhaps even make your own squirrel sausage with the included squirrel sausage maker kit.

So get up and call in now!

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Achilles Tang Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:55:24pm

he probably grew up hearing that the British were a bunch of imperialists who persecuted his grandfather.

not to mention his great great great grandfather right here in the good old USA (Aka Americas).

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:55:38pm

“Oh mom. Squirrel again?”

[kwa kwa]

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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:56:19pm

Gold? Reverse Osmosis Filters? Big deal, I’ve put my money reserving a spot in my local Vault!

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:56:46pm

Cactus Walking On 20 Legs Found In China

All we know, says Richard Fortey in his classic history Life, is that a long time ago, the first of these strange animals popped into view and for a short while “there was a chain reaction, unstoppable once it started, a bacchanalia of zoological inventiveness, which has never been matched again.”

Every living thing on earth today is what’s left over from that amazing burst of forms. It’s true we now live on land and in the air, not just in the sea. We have grasses and flowers and beetles in more varieties than you can imagine, and yet, in some deep architectural way, the developmental paths were set way back then, 500 million years ago. The Walking Cactus is just another souvenir of that crazy moment.

There are too many examples of residual genes apparent in a lot our of politicians to even dispute this with creationism crap.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:57:46pm

re: #324 Gus 802

And for your wife. We have this wonderful General Electric freezer fully stocked with prime frozen squirrel meat!

Enjoy a years worth of squirrel steaks, squirrel burgers, or perhaps even make your own squirrel sausage with the included squirrel sausage maker kit.

So get up and call in now!

Caribou, Gus, Caribou!

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shai_au Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:58:12pm

Just listened to the thing in the OP.

… my God. You have got to be shitting me.

O_o

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:58:37pm

ooh, sorry about that last blue post. I didn’t do that very well.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:59:00pm

re: #275 talon_262

If that’s how the GOP wants to play it, I hope Romney has enough self-respect and integrity left to tell them to shove it up their asses.

I’d pay to see that…

You’re kidding right?

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:59:01pm

re: #330 shai_au

Just listened to the thing in the OP.

… my God. You have got to be shitting me.

O_o

OP?

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:59:03pm

re: #329 ggt

Caribou, Gus, Caribou!

Caribou? That’s for them high falutin folks up in Alaska. Why doesn’t Mrs. Palin also have a ce-ment pond?

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:59:21pm

re: #328 ggt

The power of the Hox genes.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:59:58pm

re: #325 Naso Tang

not to mention his great great great grandfather right here in the good old USA (Aka Americas).

But it’s “different”……………..
And shit I’ll be honest here, despite my personal liking of British music, beer, and grub as well as my cousins’ British cousins and children, I still have a slight anti British sentiment in me. I really do not like that they thought the whole world was their playground and they could do whatever the hell tehyw anted. Ditto with the French and others.

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:59:59pm

Rebels beat back Libyan special forces

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TedStriker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:00:00pm

re: #281 Lidane

Have you looked at Romney’s political career? The guy wouldn’t know self-respect or integrity if they came up and bit him in the ass.

The operative word was left ;-P

Seriously though…who knew that Romney, political weathervane that he is, would seem sane compared to the rest of the TPGOP?

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:00:16pm

High falutin folks folks eat them there arugula and kale.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:01:31pm

re: #334 Gus 802

Caribou? That’s for them high falutin folks up in Alaska. Why doesn’t Mrs. Palin also have a ce-ment pond?

I thought all Republicans had money, no?

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:01:38pm

Oops, highfalutin is one word! Damn it all to hell.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:02:21pm

re: #299 goddamnedfrank

So now Huckabee says he was simply mistaken, and meant Indonesia. However he got pretty damned specific about British rule and the Mao Mao’s for somebody who claims to have been thinking of Indonesia. What a slimy piece of shit.

Exactly. What does that have to do with how Obama’s father and grandfather influences him.

If it doesn’t make sense, it’s a lie.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:02:32pm

re: #340 ggt

I thought all Republicans had money, no?

They’s is all rich folks in that there party.

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RadicalModerate Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:04:27pm

re: #314 Rightwingconspirator

But when did a party seize control of the judicial branch?

Between the Supreme Court being stacked with conservative judges since the 1980s and the Republican Party either filibustering or outright blocking almost every judicial appointment that Obama has tried filling (a practice they started in the Clinton era) up until after the November 2010 elections you are asking this with a straight face? When Democrats tried blocking just FOUR nominees during the Bush43 years was when Senate Republicans threatened the “Nuclear Option” to change Senate rules over cloture and ended up getting them confirmed.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

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albusteve Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:04:39pm

re: #337 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rebels beat back Libyan special forces

the rebels mean business, they have all along…I give them huge credit to fight it out

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shai_au Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:06:06pm

re: #333 ggt

OP?

Original post. The Huckabee conversation. Sorry, thought it was universal Internet lingo.

At any rate, I hope it gets some more media attention. Because it is absolutely insane, and needs to stop.

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:06:24pm

re: #335 Sergey Romanov

The power of the Hox genes.

But a Drosophila is still a Drosophila. Ain’t seen no cat become no dog neither.

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avanti Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:06:28pm

Again with Churchillgate and the return of the bust to England given to Bush on loan ??? The horror of returning the loaned item and replacing it with POTUS’s Commie hero Abe Lincoln/

If he’d replaced a Lincoln bust with a English hero I might get it though.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:07:35pm

re: #299 goddamnedfrank

So now Huckabee says he was simply mistaken, and meant Indonesia. However he got pretty damned specific about British rule and the Mao Mao’s for somebody who claims to have been thinking of Indonesia. What a slimy piece of shit.

That’s flat bullshit.

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recusancy Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:07:41pm

haha… Sullivan says:

And as a Brit, I have to say I find it remarkable to hear Americans of all people deny that the British Empire was, in fact, imperialist. Well, wasn’t it? I mean: how else would you describe British rule in Kenya? Enhanced occupation techniques?

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:08:48pm

re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s flat bullshit.

There is no doubt… here.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:09:04pm

re: #347 b_sharp

But a Drosophila is still a Drosophila. Ain’t seen no cat become no dog neither.

They would say this even while being eaten by a giant teenage mutant ninja Drosophila.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:09:04pm

HUCKABEE: I would love to know more. What I know is troubling enough. And one thing that I do know is his having grown up in Kenya, his view of the Brits, for example, very different than the average American. When he gave the bust back to the British. The bust of Winston Churchill, a great insult to the British. But then if you think about it, his perspective as growing up in Kenya with a Kenyan father and grandfather, their view of the Mau Mau Revolution in Kenya is very different than ours because he probably grew up hearing that the British were a bunch of imperialists who persecuted his grandfather.

ME: Uh, psst. Mike, Obama never lived in Kenya. He did stay in Indonesia for a while.

HUCKABEE: Well now. What I meant to says was Indonesia. I mean, during that time he spent in Indonesia and everything I said before. That’s all the same right? No?

ME: Um, no.

HUCKABEE: OK then. Forget I said anything.

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Achilles Tang Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:10:09pm

re: #336 HappyWarrior

But it’s “different”…
And shit I’ll be honest here, despite my personal liking of British music, beer, and grub as well as my cousins’ British cousins and children, I still have a slight anti British sentiment in me. I really do not like that they thought the whole world was their playground and they could do whatever the hell tehyw anted. Ditto with the French and others.

I like all that British stuff too, with the exception of the accent on US TV.

But, the world was their playground, and anyone else that had the guts to do so. That’s how the USA was created, among other things. Let’s not play the presentism game.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:10:11pm

Mike Huckabee takes that 3 AM call.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:10:41pm

Many Struggle To Survive In Somalia’s Capital

“Ali relies on the $200 her son sends her each month from South Africa — and the small profit she makes buying and reselling honey from a bee farm outside of town. But to get to the bee farm, she must take a minibus through a checkpoint controlled by Islamist rebels called al-Shabab.

“It’s not safe to go there, but I have no alternative,” Ali says. “If I had another alternative, I would not do this job, because it’s dangerous. Sometimes they steal your money.”

And, she says, late one afternoon, they killed a fellow passenger.

“They shot a man because he did not participate in afternoon prayers,” Ali says.”

Expats Return To Somalia In Hopes Of Aiding Change

“Prime Minister Mohamed says this marks a new era of accountability.

“We’re investigating who did what and definitely we will bring them to justice,” he says.

It’s also another test for a government that has little legitimacy with the people of Mogadishu. Somalia’s government wasn’t elected but created by a peace process, and its mandate ends in August.

Hogendoorn says unless it shows real progress by then, the United States should pull its support and look elsewhere for a solution to Somalia.”

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:10:42pm

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Huckabee was clearly pandering to the worst elements of his party and base. And his comment about Obama having a very different view of the Brits than most Americans is a weird one. Yeah most Americans do treasure our alliance with them but a lot of Americans don’t think too much of past British foreign policy. It’s gotten to the point of ridiculousness really. They know their base won’t respond if they try to discuss the issues civilly and in a fair minded way so they pander to this shit and it sadly works. Though Crazy Pam will decry Huckabee saying it’s a waste of time to focus on his citizenship.

Britain is the mother country. We got an enormous amount from them culturally, especially in terms of the building blocks for our democracy (the Iroquois too), and they have been a good ally to us for many generations.

That said, their behavior in much of Africa and Asia, along with many other European powers, was absolutely disgusting. Why should I act as though people didn’t have a right to kick them out of their countries? We did.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:10:45pm

re: #355 Gus 802

Mike Huckabee takes that 3 AM call.

So we’re all dead now?

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:11:09pm

re: #346 shai_au

Original post. The Huckabee conversation. Sorry, thought it was universal Internet lingo.

At any rate, I hope it gets some more media attention. Because it is absolutely insane, and needs to stop.

Probably is, thanks for telling me.

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:11:23pm

UK foils Gaddafi’s billion-dollar cash grab

The UK government says it has foiled a plan by Libyan leader Moamar Gaddafi to move mint Libyan banknotes worth 900 million pounds ($1.4 billion) out of Britain.

The news came as the United States moved warships and aircraft closer to Libya and froze $US30 billion in assets as a top US diplomat called on a “delusional” Mr Gaddafi to relinquish power.

That statement came after the Libyan leader gave an interview to US and British reporters in which he insisted “all my people love me” and predicted the Libyan people would die to protect him.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:12:27pm

re: #358 Sergey Romanov

So we’re all dead now?

HUCKABEE: I ordered the USAF to send in a squadron of B-2 for an air strike against the rebels in Columbia.

STAFF MEMBER: Columbia?

HUCKABEE: Yes, Columbia. Why? What’s wrong? Why are you looking at me like that.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:14:18pm

re: #357 SanFranciscoZionist

Britain is the mother country. We got an enormous amount from them culturally, especially in terms of the building blocks for our democracy (the Iroquois too), and they have been a good ally to us for many generations.

That said, their behavior in much of Africa and Asia, along with many other European powers, was absolutely disgusting. Why should I act as though people didn’t have a right to kick them out of their countries? We did.

I think this is my problem with Huckabee’s attitude all and all. He is either too stupid and oblivious to realize we too fought against British imperialism to gain our independence or he thinks that the many independence movements that took place in Asia and Africa post WWII are somehow bad. And yeah I agree they’ve been very solid ally but I do have a lot of beef with their past actions. Not just them but other European powers as well.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:14:42pm

re: #361 Gus 802

Ah, that’s not so bad. I was thinking the nuclear winter and all that.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:15:32pm

hmmmm

http://www.illinoispolicy.org/news/article.asp?ArticleSource=3736

# Illinois lost a net of 1,227,347 residents to other states between 1991 and 2009, or slightly more than one resident (1.22) every 10 minutes.
# The top states that people from Illinois move to are Florida, Indiana, Wisconsin, Arizona and Texas.

# People move from Illinois to states with lower taxes (especially estate taxes), lower union membership, lower population density, lower housing costs and warmer weather.

# The most significant driver of out-migration, on a percentage basis, is the estate tax. This is especially important considering that the number one destination state for former Illinois residents is Florida, a state with no estate tax (or individual income tax). 

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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:16:55pm

I’ve heard many people say that Barack Obama is not just a smart politician, he’s a damn lucky one. His opponents or potential opponents seems to have this tendency to implode on their own. Maybe that’s why he’s so cool about how he’s attacked. He’s learned over time that when places under a spotlight, the truth of who someone is will always be revealed. If he was ever truly worried about Huckabee, he isn’t anymore.

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goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:17:01pm

re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s flat bullshit.

Obama is a reverse Avatar raised on Pandora by his Na’avi father and grandfather. He doesn’t have the same perspective about the revolution on his home planet as we do because he probably grew up being told that humans were trying to kill his people’s soul tree and strip mine their unobtanium. Therefore he is here to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids and turn our shin bones into pencil boxes.

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:18:15pm

The British did what powerful technologically advanced societies did. It is a mistake to evaluate their actions in the past according to modern moral standards because those standards did not exist at that time.

We’ve come a long way since that time and we should celebrate our capability to recognize the errors of the past, but we should avoid condemning past cultures and their actions because they are not as enlightened as we moderns. We can evaluate them according to the standards of the time, however.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:18:33pm

re: #366 goddamnedfrank

Obama is a reverse Avatar raised on Pandora by his Na’avi father and grandfather. He doesn’t have the same perspective about the revolution on his home planet as we do because he probably grew up being told that humans were trying to kill his people’s soul tree and strip mine their unobtanium. Therefore he is here to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids and turn our shin bones into pencil boxes.

But he’s not…blue.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:20:03pm

re: #367 b_sharp

The British did what powerful technologically advanced societies did. It is a mistake to evaluate their actions in the past according to modern moral standards because those standards did not exist at that time.

We’ve come a long way since that time and we should celebrate our capability to recognize the errors of the past, but we should avoid condemning past cultures and their actions because they are not as enlightened as we moderns. We can evaluate them according to the standards of the time, however.

I’m not going to spend a lot of time hand-wringing over the evils of the British Empire, no. The past is a foreign country, and usually a pretty brutal one. But at the same time, if people are going to act as though revolting against foreign rule is freakish and un-American…

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:20:05pm

re: #367 b_sharp

The British did what powerful technologically advanced societies did. It is a mistake to evaluate their actions in the past according to modern moral standards because those standards did not exist at that time.

We’ve come a long way since that time and we should celebrate our capability to recognize the errors of the past, but we should avoid condemning past cultures and their actions because they are not as enlightened as we moderns. We can evaluate them according to the standards of the time, however.

Ex Post Facto Morality?

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:20:06pm

re: #368 SanFranciscoZionist

But he’s not…blue.

He said a reverse avatar.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:20:07pm

I guess the GOP has no choice now but to draft the only possible and potentially viable and stable candidate in a field of non-starters for the 2012 election.

Charlie Sheen.

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:20:45pm

re: #368 SanFranciscoZionist

But he’s not…blue.

Makeup.

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:21:19pm

re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m not going to spend a lot of time hand-wringing over the evils of the British Empire, no. The past is a foreign country, and usually a pretty brutal one. But at the same time, if people are going to act as though revolting against foreign rule is freakish and un-American…

Gotcha.

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:21:22pm

re: #372 Gus 802

I guess the GOP has no choice now but to draft the only possible and potentially viable and stable candidate in a field of non-starters for the 2012 election.

Charlie Sheen.

//

Charlie Sheen: ‘I’m on a quest to claim absolute victory’

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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:21:41pm

re: #366 goddamnedfrank

Obama is a reverse Avatar raised on Pandora by his Na’avi father and grandfather. He doesn’t have the same perspective about the revolution on his home planet as we do because he probably grew up being told that humans were trying to kill his people’s soul tree and strip mine their unobtanium. Therefore he is here to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids and turn our shin bones into pencil boxes.

When will you people get it right? Barack Obama was born on planet Krypton sent here by his father Jor-El to save your sorry asses! He said so.

Youtube Video

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:21:52pm

re: #372 Gus 802

I guess the GOP has no choice now but to draft the only possible and potentially viable and stable candidate in a field of non-starters for the 2012 election.

Charlie Sheen.

//

Is he so far to the left that he is now on a moderate right?

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:22:31pm

re: #375 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Charlie Sheen: ‘I’m on a quest to claim absolute victory’

See! See!? He’s a winner!

Charlie Sheen in 2012 — brought to you by the Republican National Committee

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Vicious Babushka Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:22:39pm

re: #356 ggt

Many Struggle To Survive In Somalia’s Capital

Expats Return To Somalia In Hopes Of Aiding Change

The Somalis make $100 million a year from kidnapping and piracy. That ain’t chickenshit.

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:22:57pm

re: #377 Sergey Romanov

Is he so far to the left that he is now on a moderate right?

Drug induced wrap-around.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:23:27pm

re: #379 Alouette

The Somalis make $100 million a year from kidnapping and piracy. That ain’t chickenshit.

Somehow, I don’t think that money gets doled out to the citizens.

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:23:48pm

I want to lock Sheen and Khadaffi in a room together and see whose delusions win out.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:23:58pm

re: #367 b_sharp

The British did what powerful technologically advanced societies did. It is a mistake to evaluate their actions in the past according to modern moral standards because those standards did not exist at that time.

We’ve come a long way since that time and we should celebrate our capability to recognize the errors of the past, but we should avoid condemning past cultures and their actions because they are not as enlightened as we moderns. We can evaluate them according to the standards of the time, however.

I think the point is, since when is being anti-imperialism anti-American? No one who lives in a nation born from an anti-imperialist war should be saying the stuff Huckabee was saying.

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:24:20pm

re: #379 Alouette

~~The~~ [A small minority of] Somalis make $100 million a year from kidnapping and piracy. That ain’t chickenshit.

It needed an adjustment.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:24:26pm

re: #382 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I want to lock Sheen and Khadaffi in a room together and see whose delusions win out.

The winner fights Chavez.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:24:42pm

re: #382 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I want to lock Sheen and Khadaffi in a room together and see whose delusions win out.

Over a cup of Nescafe.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:24:44pm

re: #382 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I want to lock Sheen and Khadaffi in a room together and see whose delusions win out.

GKQDaffy will become convinced that Sheen loves him wants to be his bitch.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:25:23pm

The past is the past. I just take issue with those like Huckabee and others like him in his ideology that are making resistance to colonization out to be this bad thing. The moves made for greater if not total national sovereignty following the world wars by many countries were good things and to imply that they weren’t like Huckabee did is wrong in my opinion.

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schnapp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:25:32pm

If we do find another planet out there where life exists and it has natural resources, let’s colonise it. Maybe the aliens will work for even lower wages than the Bangladeshis.
///

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:25:39pm

re: #383 moderatelyradicalliberal

I think the point is, since when is being anti-imperialism anti-American? No one who lives in a nation born from an anti-imperialist war should be saying the stuff Huckabee was saying.

SFZ pointed that out to me. I am sometimes quite thick.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:26:01pm

re: #385 Sergey Romanov

The winner fights Chavez.

What about me, huh?! — Kim Jong-il

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goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:26:04pm

re: #368 SanFranciscoZionist

But he’s not…blue.

If he were blue instead of black conservatives would find him less alien, he handicapped himself to make his pagan conquest over white christiandom somewhat of a challenge.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:26:14pm

re: #389 schnapp

If we do find another planet out there where life exists and it has natural resources, let’s colonise it. Maybe the aliens will work for even lower wages than the Bangladeshis.
///

They’ll need to be evangelized. …

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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:26:22pm

re: #383 moderatelyradicalliberal

I think the point is, since when is being anti-imperialism anti-American? No one who lives in a nation born from an anti-imperialist war should be saying the stuff Huckabee was saying.

This too, thanks for getting my point. I didn’t mean to single out the British imperialism. Only talked about them since Huckabee brought them up in regards to Obama.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:26:23pm

re: #382 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I want to lock Sheen and Khadaffi in a room together and see whose delusions win out.

Sheen’s delusions could probably smack Khaddafi’s around the room. Hollywood is a tough game.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:26:39pm

re: #390 b_sharp

SFZ pointed that out to me. I am sometimes quite thick.

No problem. And me too. ;)

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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:26:50pm

re: #386 Gus 802

Over a cup of Nescafe.

Isn’t that in violation of the Geneva Conventions concerning the treatment of prisoners of war?

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:26:59pm

re: #377 Sergey Romanov

Is he so far to the left that he is now on a moderate right?

I’m not sure manic-depressive, coked-out, and rapidly devolving has a political orientation.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:27:05pm

Nobody care about me no more. I’m so ronery.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:27:18pm

re: #382 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I want to lock Sheen and Khadaffi in a room together and see whose delusions win out.

What if they joined forces?

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:27:20pm

re: #393 ggt

They’ll need to be evangelized… .

In the worst way ….

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jamesfirecat Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:27:20pm

re: #392 goddamnedfrank

If he were blue instead of black conservatives would find him less alien, he handicapped himself to make his pagan conquest over white christiandom somewhat of a challenge.

Maybe he’ll have time for some plastic surgery between now and 2012…

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:27:21pm

re: #391 Gus 802

What about me, huh?! — Kim Jong-il

You’rr be so ronery! /

Not really. This deathmatch is endless with so many assholes. I mean, Putin, Lukashenko…

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goddamnedfrank Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:27:50pm

re: #382 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I want to lock Sheen and Khadaffi in a room together and see whose delusions win out.

Rubber Thunderdome.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:28:11pm

re: #398 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m not sure manic-depressive, coked-out, and rapidly devolving has a political orientation.

Well, maybe a Paulite.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:28:18pm

re: #395 EmmmieG

Sheen’s delusions could probably smack Khaddafi’s around the room. Hollywood is a tough game.

I think Charlie would be bat-shit scared of GKQDaffy. He’ll fold like a house of cards and cry and beg Daffy not to hurt him.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:28:58pm

Everyone knows Obama is really a cybersomething organism from the future sent to destroy America and kill John Connor whose alias is Glenn Beck and disguise is of a 40 something blowhard.

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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:29:05pm

re: #398 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m not sure manic-depressive, coked-out, and rapidly devolving has a political orientation.

…worked for Bush.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:31:51pm

re: #407 HappyWarrior

Everyone knows Obama is really a cybersomething organism from the future sent to destroy America and kill John Connor whose alias is Glenn Beck and disguise is of a 40 something blowhard.

[titles]
RUSH LIMBAUGH is SARAH CONNOR

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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:32:47pm

I think there is something larger hear as far as the “Kenyan anti-colonial mindset” is concerned. Barack Obama is a black man who is half-white and not the decedent of slaves which makes him difficult to attack him as anti-white in the usual way. Me and many other black people thought this gave Obama and “out” if you will from anti-white accusations, but it appears they still found a way to do it.

It’s not just about painting him as foreign or anti-American. It’s about painting him as anti-white because of historical grievances. They didn’t have slavery, so they went with British colonial oppression. It’s still a stretch, but it’s the best they’ve got.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:33:20pm

re: #408 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

…worked for Bush.

/

Bush may have had some coke use in his past, but he seemed perfectly stable. Maybe not the brightest, but stable.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:33:38pm

‘Pre-Adulthood’ Separates The Men From The Boys

I don’t know where to go with this …

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:34:04pm

re: #409 Sergey Romanov

[titles]
RUSH LIMBAUGH is SARAH CONNOR

He’ll have to spend a lot of time with a nutritionist and personal trainer to pull that one off.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:34:10pm

Image: kim-jong-il-puppet-team-america.jpg

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:34:16pm

Okay, totally off topic. I’m actually watching some of Toddlers & Tiaras on streaming.

It’s like watching video from a leper colony. How sick can it get before you turn away?

No offense intended towards lepers.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:34:20pm

re: #409 Sergey Romanov

[titles]
RUSH LIMBAUGH is SARAH CONNOR

Okay I just went to youtube because I had to hear the Terminator theme music and imagine RUSH LIMBAUGH as Sarah Connor in the opening credits. :)

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:35:24pm

re: #411 SanFranciscoZionist

Bush may have had some coke use in his past, but he seemed perfectly stable. Maybe not the brightest, but stable.

I get the impression he has been clean and sober for a long time. I don’t think he and Laura would still be married if he weren’t.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:35:35pm

re: #415 EmmmieG

Okay, totally off topic. I’m actually watching some of Toddlers & Tiaras on streaming.

It’s like watching video from a leper colony. How sick can it get before you turn away?

No offense intended towards lepers.

Did you see the Jimmy Kimmel and Tom Hanks spoof of that show? It was hilarious.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:35:37pm

re: #410 moderatelyradicalliberal

I think there is something larger hear as far as the “Kenyan anti-colonial mindset” is concerned. Barack Obama is a black man who is half-white and not the decedent of slaves which makes him difficult to attack him as anti-white in the usual way. Me and many other black people thought this gave Obama and “out” if you will from anti-white accusations, but it appears they still found a way to do it.

It’s not just about painting him as foreign or anti-American. It’s about painting him as anti-white because of historical grievances. They didn’t have slavery, so they went with British colonial oppression. It’s still a stretch, but it’s the best they’ve got.

That’s a really good point.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:36:04pm

re: #412 ggt

‘Pre-Adulthood’ Separates The Men From The Boys

I don’t know where to go with this …

Usual crap, I think. Men are no longer the center of the universe, so they fall apart? Men are tougher than that.

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Usually refered to as anyways Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:37:01pm

re: #379 Alouette

The Somalis make $100 million a year from kidnapping and piracy. That ain’t chickenshit.

Gross National Income (per capita) (most recent) by country

Who’s last on the list?
If you think ‘The Somalis’ make 100 million they each would get ten bucks a year.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:37:08pm

re: #420 SanFranciscoZionist

Usual crap, I think. Men are no longer the center of the universe, so they fall apart? Men are tougher than that.

There seem to be a lot more losers living in Mom’s basement playing video games and eating cheetos.

Not that war and marriage would be the route I’d take to fix it tho …

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:38:09pm

re: #421 ozbloke

Gross National Income (per capita) (most recent) by country

Who’s last on the list?
If you think ‘The Somalis’ make 100 million they each would get ten bucks a year.

Yeah, I think by the amount of money in the global economy, 100M is chickenshit. We give 2B (3?) to Egypt alone.

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Lidane Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:38:37pm

re: #308 WindUpBird

I’m just going to go watch Charlie Sheen’s twitter feed gain followers

I’m almost ashamed to say I’m one of those followers.

Almost. I figure I’m allowed the occasional guilty pleasure.

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schnapp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:39:25pm

re: #393 ggt

This is the way:

The last place in Britain to convert to Christianity was the Isle of Wight in 686 AD. It was forced to convert by Cædwalla, King of Wessex, who had to kill most of the pagan population to convert it.

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:39:42pm

re: #412 ggt

‘Pre-Adulthood’ Separates The Men From The Boys

I don’t know where to go with this …

It’s bullshit.

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:40:09pm

re: #415 EmmmieG

Okay, totally off topic. I’m actually watching some of Toddlers & Tiaras on streaming.

It’s like watching video from a leper colony. How sick can it get before you turn away?

No offense intended towards lepers.

Masochist.

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SpaceJesus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:40:29pm

jon stewart being awesome, conservatives bashing teachers

Comedy Central Video

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:40:34pm

re: #425 schnapp

This is the way:

Iceland became Christian in 1000, after a close vote by the parliament of the island.

People who wanted to keep the old faith were allowed to, but asked to sacrifice away from the main roads.

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Usually refered to as anyways Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:41:44pm

re: #423 ggt

Yeah, I think by the amount of money in the global economy, 100M is chickenshit. We give 2B (3?) to Egypt alone.

To be honest, I was more shocked by the ‘The Somalis’ claim.

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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:41:56pm

Been away for an hour or so. Reading that Walker got his supporters through a tunnel into hear his budget speech, but few protesters were allowed.

What a fucking crock of Democracy. And that Gov. is a cretin. That’s all.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:42:08pm

LOL from Balloon Juice commenter

gnomedad - March 1, 2011 | 4:19 pm · Link

He’s not a birther, he’s a grow-upper.

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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:45:07pm

re: #424 Lidane

I’m almost ashamed to say I’m one of those followers.

Almost. I figure I’m allowed the occasional guilty pleasure.

Did you see the twitter war between Sheen and Brian Williams?

RT @JamesUrbaniak: .@charliesheen and @bwilliams are having a tweet-off.

Oooh, Sheen is winning, 1 tweet to 0.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:46:06pm

re: #420 SanFranciscoZionist

Usual crap, I think. Men are no longer the center of the universe, so they fall apart? Men are tougher than that.

The question arises as to whether we were ever together in the first place. And not just men but women. I mean we’re going to compare men or women to what the gender or behavioral norms were 100 years ago? She does make a few good points though since I think there is a problem with alcoholism in this country but she doesn’t seem to state it directly. With affluence comes consumption. 100 years ago more people were poor and couldn’t afford to consume daily as we see today.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:46:51pm

My daughter just came home. She rejected my offer to buy her spray tan, big hair, and a huge poofy dress.

So we took the last Erlenmeyer flask full of hydrochloric acid & zinc* and had us a little boom in the kitchen.

One of these days I’m going to hurt myself.

*science class today was on gases, okay?

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:47:01pm

Finally.

[Link: www.ft.com…]

Libya ousted from UN Human Rights Council

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jamesfirecat Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:48:00pm

re: #410 moderatelyradicalliberal

I think there is something larger hear as far as the “Kenyan anti-colonial mindset” is concerned. Barack Obama is a black man who is half-white and not the decedent of slaves which makes him difficult to attack him as anti-white in the usual way. Me and many other black people thought this gave Obama and “out” if you will from anti-white accusations, but it appears they still found a way to do it.

It’s not just about painting him as foreign or anti-American. It’s about painting him as anti-white because of historical grievances. They didn’t have slavery, so they went with British colonial oppression. It’s still a stretch, but it’s the best they’ve got.

///Well you can’t get much more un-American than having a historical grievance against British colonialism can you?

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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:48:04pm

re: #436 Sergey Romanov

Finally.

[Link: www.ft.com…]

Libya ousted from UN Human Rights Council

Which raises the question “Why was Libya on the UN Human Rights Council to begin with?”

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:48:37pm

re: #435 EmmmieG

My daughter just came home. She rejected my offer to buy her spray tan, big hair, and a huge poofy dress.

So we took the last Erlenmeyer flask full of hydrochloric acid & zinc* and had us a little boom in the kitchen.

One of these days I’m going to hurt myself.

*science class today was on gases, okay?

My wife complains bitterly when I make a little boom in the kitchen, or in the living room, and especially the bedroom.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:48:38pm

re: #435 EmmmieG

My daughter just came home. She rejected my offer to buy her spray tan, big hair, and a huge poofy dress.

So we took the last Erlenmeyer flask full of hydrochloric acid & zinc* and had us a little boom in the kitchen.

One of these days I’m going to hurt myself.

*science class today was on gases, okay?

Girls+science=WIN!!!!

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:48:42pm

re: #438 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Which raises the question “Why was Libya on the UN Human Rights Council to begin with?”

The UNHRC has been stuck on “opposite day” for a very long time.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:48:51pm

re: #434 Gus 802

The question arises as to whether we were ever together in the first place. And not just men but women. I mean we’re going to compare men or women to what the gender or behavioral norms were 100 years ago? She does make a few good points though since I think there is a problem with alcoholism in this country but she doesn’t seem to state it directly. With affluence comes consumption. 100 years ago more people were poor and couldn’t afford to consume daily as we see today.

I think the main difference is that if young people were married (as in the past) they’d be at home after work dealing with their kids. Any dysfunction and immature behavior would be behind closed doors. Now, young adults are out and about, on the internet, in the courts etc. The immaturity and dysfunction is out in the open for everyone to cringe at.

I think the perception is out of sight, out of mind.

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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:49:02pm

re: #431 Stanley Sea

Been away for an hour or so. Reading that Walker got his supporters through a tunnel into hear his budget speech, but few protesters were allowed.

What a fucking crock of Democracy. And that Gov. is a cretin. That’s all.

The parallels to Egypt are becoming more apparent by the day. Makes one wonder if he’s reconsidering his decision not to hire “troublemakers” to go out and goad the union folks into throwing a few punches for the cameras.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:49:18pm

re: #436 Sergey Romanov

Finally.

[Link: www.ft.com…]

Libya ousted from UN Human Rights Council

That’ll teach him. I’m sure China had some strong words of condemnation themselves.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:50:23pm

re: #437 jamesfirecat

///Well you can’t get much more un-American than having a historical grievance against British colonialism can you?

Barack Obama: born in the USA, Kenyan on one side, Irish on the other. He’s got a triple dose of British anti-colonialism.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:51:03pm

bbiab

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SpaceJesus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:51:31pm

re: #420 SanFranciscoZionist

that article has been making the rounds on the ol’ facebook the past couple of days. so many sad, straight, single ladies. tsk tsk

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darthstar Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:52:06pm

Honestly, Mike Huckabee makes a nine week old fetus sound intelligent by comparison.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:55:05pm

re: #442 ggt

I think the main difference is that if young people were married (as in the past) they’d be at home after work dealing with their kids. Any dysfunction and immature behavior would be behind closed doors. Now, young adults are out and about, on the internet, in the courts etc. The immaturity and dysfunction is out in the open for everyone to cringe at.

I think the perception is out of sight, out of mind.

Which is out there and everywhere. I think even Mike Huckabee is an example in this thread. What he said about Obama reeks of immaturity. Or the current political landscape and the muscle head political commentary and shock jocks like Glenn Beck — all are a symptom of immaturity. But that didn’t start because “men stopped going to war”. Part of what’s happened is that our cultural role models are based on fictional television characters. And think about this regarding our formative years. We stick children in front o television sets for almost 24 hours a day only to be bombarded with nearly 24 hours of comedy. Comedy is great but we’re taking children from birth and subjecting them to this?

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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:56:33pm

re: #447 SpaceJesus

that article has been making the rounds on the ol’ facebook the past couple of days. so many sad, straight, single ladies. tsk tsk

There was an earlier version of the meme, called the “Peter Pan Syndrome”. Childhood used to be so hideous that we all really wanted to be adults. Less so now.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:56:59pm

So you take a 2 years old and subject them to TV watching cartoons and their initial development is guided by cartoon comedy, talking animals, and slapstick comedy. What about subjecting them to science or nature programs instead. Perhaps elemental or visual math programs.

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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:57:16pm

re: #443 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The parallels to Egypt are becoming more apparent by the day. Makes one wonder if he’s reconsidering his decision not to hire “troublemakers” to go out and goad the union folks into throwing a few punches for the cameras.

All we need is the day of the camel. I guess the Daily Show had a fail in that aspect. We’ll see if they salvaged some film.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:58:08pm

re: #449 Gus 802

Which is out there and everywhere. I think even Mike Huckabee is an example in this thread. What he said about Obama reeks of immaturity. Or the current political landscape and the muscle head political commentary and shock jocks like Glenn Beck — all are a symptom of immaturity. But that didn’t start because “men stopped going to war”. Part of what’s happened is that our cultural role models are based on fictional television characters. And think about this regarding our formative years. We stick children in front o television sets for almost 24 hours a day only to be bombarded with nearly 24 hours of comedy. Comedy is great but we’re taking children from birth and subjecting them to this?

Hey what is wrong with comedy?

Sesame Street is comedy!
Histeria (back when it was still around) was comedy!
Jon Stewart is comedy!

You can learn a lot from comedy!

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:59:34pm

re: #355 Gus 802

Mike Huckabee takes that 3 AM call.

from David Duke

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:59:36pm

re: #453 jamesfirecat

Hey what is wrong with comedy?

Sesame Street is comedy!
Histeria (back when it was still around) was comedy!
Jon Stewart is comedy!

You can learn a lot from comedy!

Not all the time. That’s all they get is comedy. Children need a mix. Life isn’t all about comedy and we shouldn’t coddle our children into growing up thinking that they a) have to be happy all the time (even if they’re miserable) or b) that everything’s funny.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:59:44pm

re: #450 Decatur Deb

There was an earlier version of the meme, called the “Peter Pan Syndrome”. Childhood used to be so hideous that we all really wanted to be adults. Less so now.

I don’t like being a grown-up. My back hurts.

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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:00:53pm

re: #456 ggt

I don’t like being a grown-up. My back hurts.

Would you rather be a 10th grader again?

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:01:28pm

re: #457 Decatur Deb

Would you rather be a 10th grader again?

4th grade, I liked 4th grade.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:01:44pm

re: #435 EmmmieG

My daughter just came home. She rejected my offer to buy her spray tan, big hair, and a huge poofy dress.

So we took the last Erlenmeyer flask full of hydrochloric acid & zinc* and had us a little boom in the kitchen.

One of these days I’m going to hurt myself.

*science class today was on gases, okay?

Awesome :D

“No you can’t have a tiara, how about a centrifuge instead?”

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:02:10pm

re: #456 ggt

I don’t like being a grown-up. My back hurts.

I actually quite enjoy it, I get to stay up past midnight and play rock and roll whenever I wish

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:02:57pm

re: #457 Decatur Deb

Would you rather be a 10th grader again?

I liked 10th grade a lot (discovered a great deal of my friends that I am friends with to this day), I didn’t like 9th grade AT ALL

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:03:17pm

re: #460 WindUpBird

I actually quite enjoy it, I get to stay up past midnight and play rock and roll whenever I wish

We’ve been to too many funerals lately.

I don’t like it.

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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:03:20pm

re: #460 WindUpBird

I actually quite enjoy it, I get to stay up past midnight and play rock and roll whenever I wish

I love being a grown up. I am so WISE!

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compound idaho Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:03:27pm

re: #450 Decatur Deb

There was an earlier version of the meme, called the “Peter Pan Syndrome”. Childhood used to be so hideous that we all really wanted to be adults. Less so now.

I remember sitting on an airplane overhearing a conversation that ended with “common no one grows up in a home as portrayed in Father Knows Best or the Leave it to Beaver”. You know what. I did.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:04:04pm

re: #464 compound idaho

I remember sitting on an airplane overhearing a conversation that ended with “common no one grows up in a home as portrayed in Father Knows Best or the Leave it to Beaver”. You know what. I did.

I pretty much did too, complete with the after-work martini for Dad.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:04:50pm

re: #462 ggt

We’ve been to too many funerals lately.

I don’t like it.

my condolences :(

I actually wound up losing all my grandparents in a four year period in my twenties, that got pretty rough

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:04:53pm

re: #456 ggt

I don’t like being a grown-up. My back hurts.

You’re lucky it’s just your back. Let me tell you what hurts with me…

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:04:55pm

re: #465 ggt

I pretty much did too, complete with the after-work martini for Dad.

Only my mom wore pantsuits and no pearls.

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engineer cat Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:05:19pm

re: #460 WindUpBird

I actually quite enjoy it, I get to stay up past midnight and play rock and roll whenever I wish

i’m telling dad on you!!

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:05:28pm

re: #467 Gus 802

You’re lucky it’s just your back. Let me tell you what hurts with me…

//

It’s my back today.

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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:05:36pm

re: #464 compound idaho

I remember sitting on an airplane overhearing a conversation that ended with “common no one grows up in a home as portrayed in Father Knows Best or the Leave it to Beaver”. You know what. I did.

I created a FKB home—I grew up in a Catholic military school (and was glad to be there).

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SpaceJesus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:05:49pm

re: #464 compound idaho

that’s terrifying

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:06:04pm

re: #464 compound idaho

I remember sitting on an airplane overhearing a conversation that ended with “common no one grows up in a home as portrayed in Father Knows Best or the Leave it to Beaver”. You know what. I did.

The Beaver never played death metal, therefore I didn’t grow up in that household :D

(I had a pretty okay childhood, my parents were AGGRESSIVELY INTO EDUCATION, we’d read the encyclopedia at dinner)

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:07:05pm

re: #469 engineer dog

i’m telling dad on you!!

I gotta say, my father was the most tolerant man on earth, allowing his kid to play drums for two-three hours a day as a teenager *_*

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compound idaho Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:07:20pm

re: #465 ggt

I pretty much did too, complete with the after-work martini for Dad.

I saw my dad drink a beer once. I thought I heard him swear once, but I am not sure.

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Danny Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:08:23pm

There’s a cool White House tribute to Motown on our local public tv station. If it’s on in your town, you should watch it. It be good!

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:08:35pm

re: #475 compound idaho

I saw my dad drink a beer once. I thought I heard him swear once, but I am not sure.

Oh, we had lots of alcohol and swearing. Nothing violent, just part of every day conversation.

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FemNaziBitch Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:09:36pm

I’m outta here for a while.

Have a great evening all!

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:09:41pm

re: #449 Gus 802

Which is out there and everywhere. I think even Mike Huckabee is an example in this thread. What he said about Obama reeks of immaturity. Or the current political landscape and the muscle head political commentary and shock jocks like Glenn Beck — all are a symptom of immaturity. But that didn’t start because “men stopped going to war”. Part of what’s happened is that our cultural role models are based on fictional television characters. And think about this regarding our formative years. We stick children in front o television sets for almost 24 hours a day only to be bombarded with nearly 24 hours of comedy. Comedy is great but we’re taking children from birth and subjecting them to this?

I’m interested in the idea that ‘going to war’ was normative for most generations of American men. What we talk about when we talk about that is WWII. Most other wars didn’t have that kind of total mobilization.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:09:49pm

re: #475 compound idaho

I saw my dad drink a beer once. I thought I heard him swear once, but I am not sure.

I got my foul mouth from both my parents

What are you going to tell a clever lawyer who likes his scotch? Don’t swear? That ain’t gonna happen :D

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:10:27pm

re: #475 compound idaho

I saw my dad drink a beer once. I thought I heard him swear once, but I am not sure.

Your dad sounds like my grandfather.

He was a terrific man. Unfortunately he died when I was 17 so I never got to know him as an adult.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:11:11pm

re: #479 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m interested in the idea that ‘going to war’ was normative for most generations of American men. What we talk about when we talk about that is WWII. Most other wars didn’t have that kind of total mobilization.

yeah, that article seems like it’s just completely fragrant nonsense meant to be passed around the internet as a meme from older people who want to blame the younger generation, blah blah, usual stuff :D

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:11:13pm

re: #460 WindUpBird

I actually quite enjoy it, I get to stay up past midnight and play rock and roll whenever I wish

I am far happier at thirty-seven than at seven.

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prairiefire Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:11:58pm

re: #480 WindUpBird

I got my foul mouth from both my parents

What are you going to tell a clever lawyer who likes his scotch? Don’t swear? That ain’t gonna happen :D

I’d like to go to your folks house for a pot luck.

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engineer cat Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:12:03pm

re: #475 compound idaho

I saw my dad drink a beer once. I thought I heard him swear once, but I am not sure.

my wife’s sister and her husband are teh hip parents. i imagine their children saying to their friends (bored teenager tone of voice) “oh all my parents want to do is have all their friends over all weekend and drink cocktails and play jazz…”

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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:12:32pm

re: #479 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m interested in the idea that ‘going to war’ was normative for most generations of American men. What we talk about when we talk about that is WWII. Most other wars didn’t have that kind of total mobilization.

Working-class boys growing up in the 40s-50s assumed the certainty of being drafted. If we provided the Army, the leaders would provide the war.

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Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:12:57pm

Here’s Hot Air’s take. The comments are frightening.

Your text to link…

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:13:17pm

re: #479 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m interested in the idea that ‘going to war’ was normative for most generations of American men. What we talk about when we talk about that is WWII. Most other wars didn’t have that kind of total mobilization.

I’m thinking did they want to go to war? This could also include WWII I suppose. But the idea kind of fails because we don’t have as many wars and as we did “back in the old days” and there’s also no more draft. But it’s a myth to think that men “wanted” to go to war. Sure, they went to war because in most cases they were forced to enlist or face a firing squad. At the same time there was some cases of men committing suicide during WWII because they were categorized as 4F and couldn’t join the fight.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:13:24pm

re: #464 compound idaho

I remember sitting on an airplane overhearing a conversation that ended with “common no one grows up in a home as portrayed in Father Knows Best or the Leave it to Beaver”. You know what. I did.

My mother seldom wore heels and pearls to do the vacuuming.

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Linden Arden Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:13:38pm

Huck!

Does a Baptist preacher lie? Does the Pope shit in Vatican City?

(I attended a Southern Baptist church as a child. It took four years at a good university to deprogram me.)

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prairiefire Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:13:52pm

re: #483 SanFranciscoZionist

I am far happier at thirty-seven than at seven.

I was wondering why my daughter does not want to run off at every turn like I did at her age. I realized she has a happier home. I’m grateful for it, it took a long time to get here.

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austin_blue Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:14:14pm

Interesting stuff in todays “Science Times”;

Another reason to love Natalie Portman:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

as if you needed one!

And this:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

on my favorite bivalves, almost all of which died during the P-Tr extinction:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

And good evening to you all!

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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:14:53pm

re: #484 prairiefire

I’d like to go to your folks house for a pot luck.

Me too!

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Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:14:57pm

And this is just pathetic.

Your text to link…

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:15:20pm

re: #482 WindUpBird

yeah, that article seems like it’s just completely fragrant nonsense meant to be passed around the internet as a meme from older people who want to blame the younger generation, blah blah, usual stuff :D

Well, an economic downturn is going to mean later marriages and later childbearing.

1933, people, was the low point of the U.S. birthrate.

I wonder if people wrote articles talking about how women getting the vote was to blame?

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prairiefire Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:15:55pm

re: #493 Stanley Sea

Me too!

Let’s invite ourselves over. Hope you are well!

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:16:10pm

re: #486 Decatur Deb

Working-class boys growing up in the 40s-50s assumed the certainty of being drafted. If we provided the Army, the leaders would provide the war.

But we’re not talking about working class boys, are we? We never are when these ‘cultural trends’ are being knocked around.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:16:35pm

And another thing plays into this. If you think that after you die that you will live the rest of eternity in luxury and happiness amidst the clouds… If you really believe that then the thought of being blown up to smithereens isn’t as big a concern to you.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:16:57pm

re: #494 Kid A

And this is just pathetic.

Your text to link…

Feh.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:17:27pm

re: #487 Kid A

Here’s Hot Air’s take. The comments are frightening.

Your text to link…

Thanks for the summary! ;) I won’t look right now.

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:17:36pm

re: #492 austin_blue

Interesting stuff in todays “Science Times”;

Another reason to love Natalie Portman:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

as if you needed one!

And this:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

on my favorite bivalves, almost all of which died during the P-Tr extinction:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

And good evening to you all!

Neat. I must nitpick though, brachiopods aren’t bivalves.

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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:19:48pm

re: #498 Gus 802

And another thing plays into this. If you think that after you die that you will live the rest of eternity in luxury and happiness amidst the clouds… If you really believe that then the thought of being blown up to smithereens isn’t as big a concern to you.

Only way I strap on a bomb vest is if my “instructor” does so at the same time.

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austin_blue Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:20:56pm

re: #501 prononymous

Neat. I must nitpick though, brachiopods aren’t bivalves.

Yup, they are:

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com…]

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compound idaho Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:22:00pm

re: #498 Gus 802

And another thing plays into this. If you think that after you die that you will live the rest of eternity in luxury and happiness amidst the clouds… If you really believe that then the thought of being blown up to smithereens isn’t as big a concern to you.

I doubt that truly plays a big role. Whats the quote?
Everyone wants to go to heaven, just not right now.

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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:22:39pm

re: #494 Kid A

And this is just pathetic.

Your text to link…

Liberals are the devil, brought to you by Fox News and the radio blowhards.

It works. Shit is going to happen.

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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:23:34pm

re: #496 prairiefire

Let’s invite ourselves over. Hope you are well!

I’m in! I’ve been trying to get WUB and Windy down for a visit. They are chicken.

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reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:23:51pm

re: #503 austin_blue

Yup, they are:

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com…]

Image unavailable.
Is this some sort of trick?

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:23:55pm

re: #497 SanFranciscoZionist

But we’re not talking about working class boys, are we? We never are when these ‘cultural trends’ are being knocked around.

Working class men became (become) the enlisted men. The ground pounders, the boots on the ground, infantry, machine gunners, etc. The upper classes tend to be college educated so they become the officers. Of these of course the enlisted men suffered the highest casualties on the ground. Next was the college boys or 2nd lieutenants that tended to be platoon leaders alongside the enlisted men. Then there was the Air Corps… and I’m rambling.

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austin_blue Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:25:35pm

re: #507 reine.de.tout

Image unavailable.
Is this some sort of trick?

Dang!

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com…]

Did that work?

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:26:10pm

re: #504 compound idaho

I doubt that truly plays a big role. Whats the quote?
Everyone wants to go to heaven, just not right now.

Perhaps not now but it was a very big motivating factor in older times. There was pride in “dying for ones country” and there was “no fear”.

The Lord is my Shepherd; I shall not want.
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:
He leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul:
He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for His name’ sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil: For thou art with me;
Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies;
Thou annointest my head with oil; My cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever.

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reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:26:34pm

re: #509 austin_blue

Dang!

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com…]

Did that work?

Yep.
thanks!

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palomino Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:26:45pm

re: #147 Kid A

Do you think he even realizes that after this he’s finished?

I hope you’re right. But so much of this country is going off a cliff with the TP and its xenophobia that he may still be OK in their eyes.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:26:53pm

re: #483 SanFranciscoZionist

I am far happier at thirty-seven than at seven.

Yessss *_*

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:28:00pm

re: #503 austin_blue

Yup, they are:

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com…]

They are “bivalves” in the sense that they have two valves. But bivalves is a specific term that refers to organisms in the class Bivalvia, which belongs to the Mollusc phylum. Brachiopods are a different phylum entirely and are only confused with clams, scallops, and mussels because convergent evolution led to features that appear similar to in casual observation.

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:28:50pm

re: #509 austin_blue

Dang!

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com…]

Did that work?

Actually they aren’t.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:29:05pm

re: #506 Stanley Sea

I’m in! I’ve been trying to get WUB and Windy down for a visit. They are chicken.

They are broke! :D

Seriously, it may happen at some point, I got PEOPLE in San Diego :D

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:29:42pm

re: #514 prononymous

They are “bivalves” in the sense that they have two valves. But bivalves is a specific term that refers to organisms in the class Bivalvia, which belongs to the Mollusc phylum. Brachiopods are a different phylum entirely and are only confused with clams, scallops, and mussels because convergent evolution led to features that appear similar to in casual observation.

You beat me to it.

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austin_blue Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:30:20pm

re: #511 reine.de.tout

Yep.
thanks!

hey Reine!

Hope you are well.

Don’t know if you heard, but 200 square miles of Texas went up in flames Sunday and Monday. Bad ass brushfires!

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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:32:11pm

re: #516 WindUpBird

They are broke! :D

Seriously, it may happen at some point, I got PEOPLE in San Diego :D

Yeah!

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compound idaho Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:32:48pm

re: #510 Gus 802

No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.
George S. Patton

[Link: www.brainyquote.com…]

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:33:16pm

re: #503 austin_blue

Yup, they are:

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com…]

Here is a list of phylum.

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prairiefire Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:33:27pm

The feminine side of brain had been completely mesmerized by Oprah Winfrey’s new channel, OWN. I have DVR’d several shows. Very compelling stories.
In one show, a woman tracks down people’s birth parents. Another one is about female inmates. The Dr. who has a sex therapy show is an excellent therapist. Lisa Ling’s “Our America” is fantastic. The first show I watched was on transgender folks. She has another coming up on sex offenders back in society, and faith healing. [Link: www.tvsquad.com…]
All compelling stories well done. I avoided the Oprah trap for many years, but she may have me now.

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austin_blue Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:33:53pm

re: #514 prononymous

They are “bivalves” in the sense that they have two valves. But bivalves is a specific term that refers to organisms in the class Bivalvia, which belongs to the Mollusc phylum. Brachiopods are a different phylum entirely and are only confused with clams, scallops, and mussels because convergent evolution led to features that appear similar to in casual observation.

Hey, hey! I’m the licensed Professional Geoscientist in the room!

You are of course correct, and the P-Tr extinction gave the Mollusca the opportunity to expand into the niches that the Brachs previously dominated.

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wrenchwench Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:34:02pm

Time to go home. I’ll leave you with a lolcat that reminded me of Huckabee a little bit _{[note the steeple]}:

Image: 65d354f9-bc80-4b39-9a5b-98c8d150ac80.jpg

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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:35:27pm

Republican State Senator Glenn Grothman calls protesters staying overnight in the Wisconsin Capitol “slobs.” #lastword #wiunion #douchebag

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compound idaho Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:36:23pm

re: #513 WindUpBird

Yesss *_*

Being 7 was great! 17 was great! 27 was great! 37 was great!re: #523 austin_blue

Hey, hey! I’m the licensed Professional Geoscientist in the room!

You are of course correct, and the P-Tr extinction gave the Mollusca the opportunity to expand into the niches that the Brachs previously dominated.

Me too!

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reine.de.tout Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:36:36pm

re: #518 austin_blue

hey Reine!

Hope you are well.

Don’t know if you heard, but 200 square miles of Texas went up in flames Sunday and Monday. Bad ass brushfires!

Yes, I did hear that!

Otherwise, all is going well.

The first deep-water permit since the moratorium was lifted has finally been issued! Yay!

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:37:51pm

re: #526 compound idaho

Being 7 was great! 17 was great! 27 was great! 37 was great!re: #523 austin_blue

Me too!

You’re a Brachiopod?

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:38:08pm

re: #523 austin_blue

Hey, hey! I’m the licensed Professional Geoscientist in the room!

You are of course correct, and the P-Tr extinction gave the Mollusca the opportunity to expand into the niches that the Brachs previously dominated.

It is an easy mistake to make. :)

I love geology too. Currently residing in the Rio Grande Rift valley.

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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:39:00pm

linc0lnpark LiNCOLN PARK
by 8th_of_Branstad

#politics #wiunion I stand with the SLOBS who teach my kids, empty my trash, protect my neighborhood, put out my fires, fix my roads, ….

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:39:05pm

re: #529 prononymous

It is an easy mistake to make. :)

I love geology too. Currently residing in the Rio Grande Rift valley.

I’m chopped liver.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:39:35pm

re: #520 compound idaho

No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.
George S. Patton

[Link: www.brainyquote.com…]

And no bastard ever won a war by shaving everyday and wearing a tie to battle. ;)

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:41:08pm

re: #532 Gus 802

And no bastard ever won a war by shaving everyday and wearing a tie to battle. ;)

All modern wars end with paperwork.

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:41:49pm

re: #525 Stanley Sea

Republican State Senator Glenn Grothman calls protesters staying overnight in the Wisconsin Capitol “slobs.” #lastword #wiunion #douchebag

Classy guy. But you know that not teh CLASS WARFARE!!

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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:42:06pm

re: #453 jamesfirecat

Hey what is wrong with comedy?

Sesame Street is comedy!
Histeria (back when it was still around) was comedy!
Jon Stewart is comedy!

You can learn a lot from comedy!

How about this for comedy?

Youtube Video

Tom Waits on Fernwood 2 Night. :)

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:42:48pm

re: #531 b_sharp

I’m chopped liver.

Cheer up dude.

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compound idaho Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:44:38pm

re: #532 Gus 802

All kidding aside, I watched a documentary years ago that tried to address what it takes to convince/train a young man to pick up a weapon, go into battle and kill another human being. They argued that it does not come naturally. I think they are correct.

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Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:47:11pm

re: #535 oaktree

How about this for comedy?

How about this?

Youtube Video

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Gus Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:47:29pm

re: #533 b_sharp

All modern wars end with paperwork.

That’s not literature you know, just keep it simple. Say “we” a lot.

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:49:50pm

re: #536 prononymous

Cheer up dude.

Yes, you are right. I am no longer chopped liver. I am now scrambled eggs.

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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:57:32pm

re: #540 b_sharp

Yes, you are right. I am no longer chopped liver. I am now scrambled eggs.

Going for the Denny’s Grand Slam outfit like Lady GaGa?

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austin_blue Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:58:00pm

re: #528 b_sharp

You’re a Brachiopod?

Gladly, no. I’m a Homo.

;-)

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b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:58:05pm

re: #541 oaktree

Going for the Denny’s Grand Slam outfit like Lady GaGa?

Pancakes tomorrow.

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:59:00pm

re: #543 b_sharp

Pancakes tomorrow.

Now we are talking…

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austin_blue Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:01:14pm

re: #529 prononymous

It is an easy mistake to make. :)

I love geology too. Currently residing in the Rio Grande Rift valley.

Gorgeous country! Lotsa neat shit to bang on with an Estwing.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:01:39pm

re: #537 compound idaho

All kidding aside, I watched a documentary years ago that tried to address what it takes to convince/train a young man to pick up a weapon, go into battle and kill another human being. They argued that it does not come naturally. I think they are correct.

Some fairly high percentage of soldiers normally simply fail to fire at the enemy when put in a combat situation after training. It’s normal. (Human beings were, I dare say, not actually designed to DO modern warfare.) I’ve been told that my generation and the younger kids no longer have this percentage, and they suspect it may be due to first-person shooter video game conditioning. Could also just be better military screening, plus an all-volunteer military.

Which is what cracks me up when they announce that they won’t be able to be responsible for soldier’s behavior if they have to shower with gays. Seriously. Your life’s work is teaching men to run TOWARD the gunfire, and you can’t make them shower with gay guys?

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austin_blue Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:06:02pm

I’ma headin’ upstairs again. That video is killer bee!

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:06:22pm

re: #545 austin_blue

Gorgeous country! Lotsa neat shit to bang on with an Estwing.

It is nice here. Though I always enjoyed living in San Antonio and exploring the water sculpted limestone…

Next move might be to Hawaii. Now there is some exciting geology. :)

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Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:06:52pm

re: #546 SanFranciscoZionist

TEH GEYS!!!!
/

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Bear Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:08:04pm

re: #545 austin_blue

I hate the Estwing. Not balanced right for me. The fiberglass Plumb was my choice but have not seen one for years. However the Plumb was hardened a bit too much and did cause some steel splinters to fly off their edge.

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compound idaho Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:09:13pm

re: #546 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t think I could kill another human. I greatly respect those young men we/I ask to do it for us.

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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:12:00pm

re: #546 SanFranciscoZionist

Some fairly high percentage of soldiers normally simply fail to fire at the enemy when put in a combat situation after training. It’s normal. (Human beings were, I dare say, not actually designed to DO modern warfare.) I’ve been told that my generation and the younger kids no longer have this percentage, and they suspect it may be due to first-person shooter video game conditioning. Could also just be better military screening, plus an all-volunteer military.

Which is what cracks me up when they announce that they won’t be able to be responsible for soldier’s behavior if they have to shower with gays. Seriously. Your life’s work is teaching men to run TOWARD the gunfire, and you can’t make them shower with gay guys?

After some WWII and Korean War studies, the Army revamped marksmanship training entirely. That, and the much more intensely trained volunteer army, made the failure-to-fire issue go away.

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Kid A Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:15:32pm

Good grief, this has to be seen to be believed. Beck says the free enterprise system rebuilt Hiroshima. The fail stench is so strong, I had to open the windows.

Your text to link…

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Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:22:14pm

re: #551 compound idaho

I don’t think I could kill another human. I greatly respect those young men we/I ask to do it for us.

Here is a recent study that reflects the older work of SLA Marshall (Note .pdf):

On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society

[Link: www.google.com…]

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CuriousLurker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:25:40pm

re: #410 moderatelyradicalliberal

I think there is something larger hear as far as the “Kenyan anti-colonial mindset” is concerned. Barack Obama is a black man who is half-white and not the decedent of slaves which makes him difficult to attack him as anti-white in the usual way. Me and many other black people thought this gave Obama and “out” if you will from anti-white accusations, but it appears they still found a way to do it.

It’s not just about painting him as foreign or anti-American. It’s about painting him as anti-white because of historical grievances. They didn’t have slavery, so they went with British colonial oppression. It’s still a stretch, but it’s the best they’ve got.

Yep, they were going to make him out to be an Angry Black Man™ no matter what. Angry Muslim Man™ was an equally frightening bonus, even though his father was a known atheist and being Muslim isn’t passed from parent to child (every Muslim has to take shahada when they come of age, regardless of their parentage or upbringing).

It must annoy the hell out of the fear mongers that that POTUS has such a calm, controlled demeanor most of the time.

You know what else I suspect really bothers some people (I mean the truly fringe-y racist ones)? The knowledge that his white mother slept with a black African man. That’s an old, old taboo. One that still lives in some places in the U.S.

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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:42:15pm

re: #555 CuriousLurker

Yep, they were going to make him out to be an Angry Black Man™ no matter what. Angry Muslim Man™ was an equally frightening bonus, even though his father was a known atheist and being Muslim isn’t passed from parent to child (every Muslim has to take shahada when they come of age, regardless of their parentage or upbringing).

It must annoy the hell out of the fear mongers that that POTUS has such a calm, controlled demeanor most of the time.

You know what else I suspect really bothers some people (I mean the truly fringe-y racist ones)? The knowledge that his white mother slept with a black African man. That’s an old, old taboo. One that still lives in some places in the U.S.

B I N G O

(Great comment CL)

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Petero1818 Tue, Mar 1, 2011 7:12:53pm

Is there really a legitimate reading of history that does not result in concluding that the Brits were colonialists who persecuted indigenous populations? Just saying

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Vicious Babushka Tue, Mar 1, 2011 7:18:27pm

re: #555 CuriousLurker

Yep, they were going to make him out to be an Angry Black Man™ no matter what. Angry Muslim Man™ was an equally frightening bonus, even though his father was a known atheist and being Muslim isn’t passed from parent to child (every Muslim has to take shahada when they come of age, regardless of their parentage or upbringing).

It must annoy the hell out of the fear mongers that that POTUS has such a calm, controlled demeanor most of the time.

You know what else I suspect really bothers some people (I mean the truly fringe-y racist ones)? The knowledge that his white mother slept with a black African man. That’s an old, old taboo. One that still lives in some places in the U.S.

You have so nailed it. Upding this, people, let’s put Curious into the Top 10.

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Decider Tue, Mar 1, 2011 7:26:43pm

Huck had me fooled. I never thought he was just another Fox News moron.

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Wozza Matter? Tue, Mar 1, 2011 7:42:44pm

re: #7 Lidane

Well, that settles it. Whoever the 2012 GOP nominee is, expect them to do exactly what Huck does here and openly pander to the birthers and racists.

Worked in South Carolina that time…………..

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Achilles Tang Tue, Mar 1, 2011 7:47:36pm

re: #559 Decider

Huck had me fooled. I never thought he was just another Fox News moron.

I was just watching Ed on MSNBC. His take was a poll that showed that of those likely Republican voters that would choose him over Romney, 51% were birthers, whereas the ones who would vote for Romney were only some 30% birthers.

IE he can only win if he is a closet birther; other facts don’t matter.

Kenya, Indonesia, Mau Mau! I’ll bet his birther fans couldn’t find Kenya on a map and think Mau Mau is a traditional dance.

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Decider Tue, Mar 1, 2011 7:53:42pm

re: #561 Naso Tang

I was just watching Ed on MSNBC. His take was a poll that showed that of those likely Republican voters that would choose him over Romney, 51% were birthers, whereas the ones who would vote for Romney were only some 30% birthers.

IE he can only win if he is a closet birther; other facts don’t matter.

Kenya, Indonesia, Mau Mau! I’ll bet his birther fans couldn’t find Kenya on a map and think Mau Mau is a traditional dance.

Sure being a open birther or racist will win the GOP nomination for President but I am sure people like Karl Rove realize that racism can not win the Presidency. Say what you will about George Bush but I can definitively say he was not racist. He may have gotten some of the racist votes but he did not pander to them blatantly.

He used Rove to pander to racists but he did not do it himself. Huck is doing the dirty work himself and that can not win the American Presidency.

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Achilles Tang Tue, Mar 1, 2011 7:59:33pm

re: #562 Decider

I’m no political analyst but in this case I think it is a matter of winning the nomination, not the presidency. I doubt we would hear another word about birth certificates from the nominee, whoever it is.

I hope it’s Huckabee, because I don’t think he can win. We don’t need a president to preach to us.

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Petero1818 Tue, Mar 1, 2011 8:05:01pm

The reality is the only thing that the Republicans are fielding that is even close to a legitimate candidate for President is Romney and he has spent the better part of the last 3 years pandering to the fringe.

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ElSuerte Tue, Mar 1, 2011 8:49:48pm

re: #45 Charles

Are there people who don’t know what this is really about?

The black President who secretly grew up in Africa?

I mean, it’s not even hidden, folks.

First, he’s not a birther, so says no lesser a source then Dave Wiegel.
[Link: www.slate.com…]

Second, I really have a hard time believing that he’s a racist since he got in a lot a of trouble from both the left and right for pardoning/commuting black people like Maurice Clemmons. Hard to be a racist when Talking Points Memo is trying to ‘willie horton’ you, ya know?

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Mar 1, 2011 8:57:19pm

re: #565 ElSuerte

Ahhh so pandering to birthers and using racist dogwhistles isn’t actually being a racist personally, rather it is something else? OK fine then maybe he doesn’t actually believe the trash he pushes, but rather is just a craven political whore who is perfectly happy to push the most vile lies and hurtful memes in order to get elected by a drooling base of paranoid racists.

Also, I have to say your writing style is very familiar and your pattern of putting little silly screeds at the ends of dead threads is also very familiar. Honestly, this particular talking point strikes me as the sort of tripe you would see parroted on the stalker blog.

Did you miss it here so much before you were banned?

Before you get banned again, which one were you?

Douchebagua, is that you? Really you have that same slimy dishonest feel.

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ElSuerte Tue, Mar 1, 2011 9:01:44pm

re: #566 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahhh so pandering to birthers and using racist dogwhistles isn’t actually being a racist personally, rather it is something else? OK fine then maybe he doesn’t actually believe the trash he pushes, but rather is just a craven political whore who is perfectly happy to push the most vile lies and hurtful memes in order to get elected by a drooling base of paranoid racists.

Also, I have to say your writing style is very familiar and your pattern of putting little silly screeds at the ends of dead threads is also very familiar. Honestly, this particular talking point strikes me as the sort of tripe you would see parroted on the stalker blog.

Did you miss it here so much before you were banned?

Before you get banned again, which one were you?

Douchebagua, is that you? Really you have that same slimy dishonest feel.

What the hell are you talking about? Are new people are always harrassed by nutjobs when they start here? I’m being hazed right?

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Mar 1, 2011 9:06:19pm

re: #567 ElSuerte

No you are not being hazed.

If you are truly a new and innocent poster, then a few ground rules for you.

1. If you are going to make scientific claims, then you need to be able to back them up and demonstrate you have a clue about science. When you devolved into silly talking points, you got aroused extra ire.

2. If you are going to defend someone who is clearly using racist dogwhistles and pandering to open lies like birtherism, then you need to do a little better and actually do something that explains the very real fact that Huck is doing just that.

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 1, 2011 9:12:38pm

[waves to the Stalkers]

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jaunte Tue, Mar 1, 2011 9:13:41pm

re: #565 ElSuerte

First, he’s not a birther, so says no lesser a source then Dave Wiegel.

File Weigel’s piece under ‘bullshit, unbelievably weak.’

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Charles Johnson Tue, Mar 1, 2011 9:14:15pm

You’ve got to be kidding.

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 1, 2011 9:15:26pm

re: #567 ElSuerte

Seyonara, Troll-Boy.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Mar 1, 2011 9:26:19pm

re: #571 Charles

You’ve got to be kidding.

You know how it goes… being all slimy at the end of dead threads is a “victory” for the stalkers. After all, they have no other life.

It’s pretty sad really to think about these folks.

There they are, fat, aging and useless. They have petty little lives and little education. The only thing that defines them is petty attempts to get noticed by you.

How sad is that?

Well I suppose they also are defined by insulting others and having paranoid masturbatory fantasies involving saving Palin from hordes of angry black, muslim, communist, zombie mole men, who forced them to buy gold after the the economy collapsed because people got healthcare.

But other than the masturbation to a picture of Palin while waving the stars and stripes and getting really angry at people who aren’t fat, white, aging, ignorant and stupid… what do they have?

They have hating the people at this site who are educated and have actual reasons to live.

And Charles, you took that poor troll’s little gasp at being relevant away.

You cruel, cruel ex daddy.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Mar 1, 2011 9:54:41pm

re: #555 CuriousLurker

Yep, they were going to make him out to be an Angry Black Man™ no matter what. Angry Muslim Man™ was an equally frightening bonus, even though his father was a known atheist and being Muslim isn’t passed from parent to child (every Muslim has to take shahada when they come of age, regardless of their parentage or upbringing).

It must annoy the hell out of the fear mongers that that POTUS has such a calm, controlled demeanor most of the time.

You know what else I suspect really bothers some people (I mean the truly fringe-y racist ones)? The knowledge that his white mother slept with a black African man. That’s an old, old taboo. One that still lives in some places in the U.S.

Oh this is a huge factor. Ann Dunham was a race traitor and a loose woman as far as they are concerned so his white side actually doesn’t count. During the Civil Rights period fear of race mixing of the black male/white female sort was the primary motivation for segregationist. They were afraid that and army of mixed race babies would be created and take over the country. The fact that one actually is running the country has confirmed their worst fears. They probably hate Obama more than they would if he had two black parents.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Mar 1, 2011 10:01:18pm

re: #563 Naso Tang

I’m no political analyst but in this case I think it is a matter of winning the nomination, not the presidency. I doubt we would hear another word about birth certificates from the nominee, whoever it is.

I hope it’s Huckabee, because I don’t think he can win. We don’t need a president to preach to us.

If Obama wins reelection it will be between him and the American people. I don’t think his GOP opponent will matter because whoever wins the nomination will have to be so vile and disgusting to appeal to the base of the GOP they will have made themselves unelectable. I don’t care how seemingly normal or moderate they seem now, every single GOP candidate will have to appeal to these people to win and moving back to the center for the general election won’t be possible. There will be too many disgusting words and actions on tape from the primaries.

I’ve always thought Huckabee was a bit of a snake oil salesman, but I didn’t see this coming from him. I actually am surprised. But anybody who wants the nomination will have to do the same and only the lowlifes will do it. The truly decent Repubs won’t run at all. They will wait for 2016.

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samgak Wed, Mar 2, 2011 1:35:52am

re: #367 b_sharp

The British did what powerful technologically advanced societies did. It is a mistake to evaluate their actions in the past according to modern moral standards because those standards did not exist at that time.

We’ve come a long way since that time and we should celebrate our capability to recognize the errors of the past, but we should avoid condemning past cultures and their actions because they are not as enlightened as we moderns. We can evaluate them according to the standards of the time, however.

We’re talking about the 1950s here, within living memory, not centuries ago. “Modern moral standards” certainly did exist at the time, and many British actions in Kenya were war crimes according to treaties that the British themselves had signed.

In any case “recognizing the errors of the past” is not even possible without “evaluating their actions in the past according to modern moral standards”. Otherwise on what basis can we recognize them as errors?

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aagcobb Wed, Mar 2, 2011 5:46:03am

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist

US v. Wong Kim Ark states that “natural born” is based on English common law. A “natural born subject” of the crown was a person born within the realm with the exception of the children of ambassadors or of enemy soldiers in hostile occupation of a portion of the kingdom. This definition would exclude McCain, however under the Constitution it is for the electors and Congress to select the President, and the courts have no authority to question their judgment as to presidential eligibility.

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lostlakehiker Wed, Mar 2, 2011 8:27:50am

re: #577 aagcobb

US v. Wong Kim Ark states that “natural born” is based on English common law. A “natural born subject” of the crown was a person born within the realm with the exception of the children of ambassadors or of enemy soldiers in hostile occupation of a portion of the kingdom. This definition would exclude McCain, however under the Constitution it is for the electors and Congress to select the President, and the courts have no authority to question their judgment as to presidential eligibility.

So, just to get this straight, you are saying that if Arnold Schwarzenegger decided to run for president, that nothing in the Constitution could stand in his way? We all know that he is not in fact a natural-born citizen. Most of us realize that that’s a pity; he’d make a better presidential nominee than most Republicans with some sort of chance to get the nomination.

But we’ve been blinded by the seeming constitutional bar. It’s not there? No court has any authority to say different? Or what courts say just doesn’t matter?

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JEA62 Wed, Mar 2, 2011 9:05:28am

“I would love to know more. What I know is troubling enough.”

Why does this sound familiar?

Because you have heard every single Republican commentor asked about Obama’s background on every radio and TV show and in print say those exact words.

It’s almost as if they’re scripted, isn’t it?

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aagcobb Wed, Mar 2, 2011 10:43:29am

re: #578 lostlakehiker

Ever since Marbury v. Madison we have been conditioned to expect every constitutional issue to be decided in court, but keep in mind that nothing in the Constitution specifically grants the Court the power to invalidate laws as unconstitutional, its a power the Court simply assumed. On Constitutional issues, the buck doesn’t have to stop with the Court. The Constitutional provides a very specific process by which the President is elected, and how the President can be removed, and it does not involve court review. In Ahnold’s case, everyone knows he’s naturalized, so first he wouldn’t run, second if he did he wouldn’t win the nomination, third the voters wouldn’t elect him, and even if they did the electors might decide to disregard the voters due to his eligibility, so its not like he has a clear path to the White House. However in the extremely unlikely event he overcame all of those obstacles and Congress certified that he got a majority of the electoral votes, the Constitution says he shall be the President, and no-one would have standing to challenge his eligibility in court, except possibly the vice-president.

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