Huckabee Disses Natalie Portman, Then Denies Dissing Natalie Portman

Corn-pone religious fanatic channels Dan Quayle

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Last week in an interview with Michael Medved, squirrel-eating theocrat Mike Huckabee gratuitously bashed Natalie Portman for “glamorizing” out-of-wedlock children — even though Portman is engaged to be married. Then he proceeded to stereotype single mothers as poor, uneducated, and living on government handouts.

“People see a Natalie Portman or some other Hollywood starlet who boasts, ‘we’re not married but we’re having these children and they’re doing just fine’…I think it gives a distorted image. It’s unfortunate that we glorify and glamorize the idea of out-of-wedlock children.”

“But there aren’t really a lot of single moms out there who are making millions of dollars every year for being in a movie. And I think it gives a distorted image … Most single moms are very poor, uneducated, can’t get a job, and if it weren’t for government assistance, their kids would be starving to death and never have health care. And that’s the story that we’re not seeing, and it’s unfortunate that we glorify and glamorize the idea of out-of-wedlock children.”

Now Huckabee says he didn’t attack Natalie Portman at all. And he didn’t criticize “hardworking single mothers,” either.

See that quote above? You must have imagined it.

“Contrary to what the Hollywood media reported, I did not ‘slam’ or ‘attack’ Natalie Portman, nor did I criticize the hardworking single mothers in our country,” he said.

“My comments were about the statistical reality that most single moms are very poor, under-educated, can’t get a job, and if it weren’t for government assistance, their kids would be starving to death. That’s the story that we’re not seeing, and it’s unfortunate that society often glorifies and glamorizes the idea of having children out of wedlock.”

Now do you get it? He’s not criticizing the “hardworking” single mothers at all. It’s those no-account welfare queens he’s talking about.

And Huck’s point about the “statistical reality” that “most single moms” are poor, unemployed, and uneducated? He made it up out of thin air. The truth is:

79.5% of custodial single mothers are gainfully employed …

27% of custodial single mothers and their children live in poverty …

Among custodial single mothers:
* 22% receive Medicaid
* 23.5% receive food stamps
* 12% receive some form of public housing or rent subsidy

(h/t: Killgore Trout.)

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101 comments

Summer Lovin' Torture Party Sat, Mar 5, 2011 11:58:45am

And this guy passes off as one of the smarter ones in the GOP? Child, please.

emcesq Sat, Mar 5, 2011 11:59:07am

Theocrat? Yes. Squirrel-eating? Seems a bit too gratuitous.

Summer Lovin' Torture Party Sat, Mar 5, 2011 11:59:57am

I guess things really are cyclical after all.

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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:00:15pm

re: #2 emcesq

Theocrat? Yes. Squirrel-eating? Seems a bit too gratuitous.

Huckabee: 'We used to fry squirrels in a popcorn popper'.

"Mika, I bet you never did this," Huckabee went on, addressing Mika Brzezinski. "When I was in college, we used to take a popcorn popper, because that was the only thing they would let us use in the dorm, and we would fry squirrels in a popcorn popper in the dorm room."

William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:01:53pm

re: #2 emcesq

Theocrat? Yes. Squirrel-eating? Seems a bit too gratuitous.

He's bragged about cooking squirrel in a popcorn popper & eating it thusly while in college. Now I hunt squirrel and like a nice mess of squirrel stew. Nonetheless, ol' Huckleberry Hound set himself up for the comment.

HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:02:47pm

He's a dick, a dishonest one at that.

Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:06:16pm

Huckabee loves him some fried squirrel.

Youtube Video

Boyo Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:07:28pm

Orville Redenbacher's Squirrel Flavored Nut

Summer Lovin' Torture Party Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:07:52pm

“People see a Natalie Portman or some other Hollywood starlet who boasts, ‘we’re not married but we’re having these children and they’re doing just fine’…I think it gives a distorted image. It’s unfortunate that we glorify and glamorize the idea of out-of-wedlock children.”

Who the hell is "glorifying" and "glamorizing" out-of-wedlock children, Hickabee (no sic)? I want you to name some names. This "we" is about as comical as your buddies over at Faux News quoting their own made-up people during news reports with "There are some that say..."

emcesq Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:08:26pm

re: #4 Charles

Stunning! I take back the gratuitous. It is depressing to have left Communist "don't do as I do, do as I say" religion some 40 years ago just to see the rise of the likes of autho-theocratic fundamentalism "don't do as I do, do as I say".

HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:10:49pm

The funny thing to me is Huckabee made the squirrel popcorn comment while claiming Obama "wasn't like the rest of us."

Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:13:07pm

I admit, I only posted this as an excuse to put up a photo of Natalie Portman.

Boyo Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:14:15pm

you elites and yer non popcorned squirrels

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:14:19pm

Huck is still relying on false statistics....

Most single moms are very poor, uneducated, can’t get a job, and if it weren’t for government assistance, their kids would be starving to death and never have health care.

His correction....

My comments were about the statistical reality that most single moms are very poor, under-educated, can’t get a job, and if it weren’t for government assistance, their kids would be starving to death.

10 seconds to google search reveals...
Single Parent Statistics

79.5% of custodial single mothers are gainfully employed
...
27% of custodial single mothers and their children live in poverty
...
Among custodial single mothers:
* 22% receive Medicaid
* 23.5% receive food stamps
* 12% receive some form of public housing or rent subsidy

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:16:07pm

Egyptians ransacking all State Security HQs reminds me of the day the Stasi fell.

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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:17:53pm

No wonder none of the potential "front-runners" is willing to declare just yet. With stupid shit like this, they wouldn't even make it to Iowa.

JeffFX Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:18:11pm

re: #1 Kid A

And this guy passes off as one of the smarter ones in the GOP? Child, please.

He's smart for a Social Conservative, but of course looks ridiculous to people who haven't been indoctrinated in their cult-like worldview.

Interesting Times Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:18:27pm

Squirrels aren't the only animal victims here...

Huckabee's son tortured a dog to death and got away with it with Daddy's help:

...during the 2008 presidential primaries, it came out that, at age 18, Huckabee’s son David had been fired by the Scouts as a camp counselor after he and another counselor captured a stray dog, hanged him by the neck, slit his throat and stoned him to death.

The elder Huckabee, who was governor of Arkansas at the time, later fired a local prosecutor who had investigated the matter with the aim of filing animal cruelty charges against David Huckabee and the other boy. In the end, other than being fired by the Boy Scouts, the boys were never held accountable for killing the helpless dog.

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:19:36pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

The funny thing to me is Huckabee made the squirrel popcorn comment while claiming Obama "wasn't like the rest of us."

Obama is the bad kind of not like the rest of us.

Squirrel-popping, like moose-shooting, qualifies as the 'purer, more outdoorsy' kind of 'not like the suburban rest of you that really want to be more like me'.

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:19:49pm

re: #13 Boyo

you elites and yer non popcorned squirrels

My GMIL stews them.

Boyo Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:19:57pm

re: #18 publicityStunted

Squirrels aren't the only animal victims here...

Huckabee's son tortured a dog to death and got away with it with Daddy's help:

woe...serial killer kind of creepy

HappyWArrior Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:21:55pm

re: #18 publicityStunted

Squirrels aren't the only animal victims here...

Huckabee's son tortured a dog to death and got away with it with Daddy's help:

How could anyone do that to a dog? I remember hearing the story in 2008. Had no idea Huckabee did that to the prosecutor. Talk about an abuse of power.

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:22:32pm

re: #18 publicityStunted

Squirrels aren't the only animal victims here...

Huckabee's son tortured a dog to death and got away with it with Daddy's help:

Gee, I wish my daddy was a politician so I could get away with breaking the law, too!

Romantic Heretic Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:23:15pm

re: #12 Charles

I admit, I only posted this as an excuse to put up a photo of Natalie Portman.

You need an excuse?

b_sharp Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:23:20pm

Put part of what Huckster said on Medved, I heard the pertinent part of the Huckabee interview by Medved and Medved was further interviewed by Chuck Adler. Medved has the idea that marriage out of wedlock is equivalent to welfare single moms failing to raise decent children. For some reason Medved believes marriage is a magic incantation that enables an unmarried couple to commit more to raising children than they would without it.

recusancy Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:23:26pm

re: #18 publicityStunted

Squirrels aren't the only animal victims here...

Huckabee's son tortured a dog to death and got away with it with Daddy's help:

I wonder if Tucker Carlson wants Huck's son executed like he does Vick.

HappyWArrior Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:24:12pm

I could be a total douche and say Huckabee is not a real man because he doesn't drink but I am not a total douche.

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:24:34pm

re: #23 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Gee, I wish my daddy was a politician so I could get away with breaking the law, too!

/

Be glad you weren't aided and abetted in sociopathic behavior.

engineer cat Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:24:35pm

and tell me please why isn't the most important issue here the fact that so many children here in the united states - in 'traditional' families as well, which he ignores - need this government assistance?

impoverished children in his rant seem to pale in significance next to the all important issue of 'wedlock'

b_sharp Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:25:06pm

re: #18 publicityStunted

Squirrels aren't the only animal victims here...

Huckabee's son tortured a dog to death and got away with it with Daddy's help:

Nice find.

This goes to show that marriage does not guarantee kids that are mentally healthy.

Boyo Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:27:57pm

Natalie Portman, a squirrel and a dog walk into a Huckabee family reunion..

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:28:37pm

re: #29 engineer dog

and tell me please why isn't the most important issue here the fact that so many children here in the united states - in 'traditional' families as well, which he ignores - need this government assistance?

impoverished children in his rant seem to pale in significance next to the all important issue of 'wedlock'

Has to do with the far-Right's insistence that the reason America's fallin' apart is because we've moved away from the ideals of...some period in our distant past. I usually peg it somewhere around 1950, but they seem to think even those days were too "liberal." But part of those ideals is that a woman's place is in the home, her only job to keep her man happy so that he can bring home the bacon. That single mothers, working hard to support themselves and their kids, are a "sign of the breakdown of society" and cause for derision because they couldn't find a good man to take care of them.

engineer cat Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:28:59pm

can we please have presidential candidates who think the most important issue facing this country is how to make sure that every child is fed properly and gets a good education and medical care?

Linden Arden Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:30:20pm

I want the Huckster in the GOP primaries because the "true" conservatives hate him - which seems to be the case for the entire field except for Palin.

This could be the most entertaining election yet.

Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:31:10pm

Why pick on Natalie Portman?

He could have made a point about poor single mothers (usual;ly with more than one child) without her, and he could have discussed one key solution to a real problem by advocating more funding for Planned Parenthood.

But he just wants to be President, not solve problems.//

Romantic Heretic Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:31:23pm

re: #32 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Has to do with the far-Right's insistence that the reason America's fallin' apart is because we've moved away from the ideals of...some period in our distant past. I usually peg it somewhere around 1950, but they seem to think even those days were too "liberal."

I peg it somewhere around 1850, myself.

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:31:38pm

re: #8 Boyo

Orville Redenbacher's Squirrel Flavored Nut

You really shouldn't say "squirrel nut" on the Internet. It gives people ideas.

Interesting Times Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:31:39pm

re: #30 b_sharp

This goes to show that marriage does not guarantee kids that are mentally healthy.

No kidding. Before casting stones at single mothers and gay couples, perhaps Huckabee could consider evaluating his own parenting skills? 9_9

re: #21 Boyo

woe...serial killer kind of creepy

But he has such a charming mug shot... /

Boyo Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:33:37pm

re: #37 negativ

You really shouldn't say "squirrel nut" on the Internet. It gives people ideas.

"put a lid on it" then ?

Romantic Heretic Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:33:51pm

re: #35 Naso Tang

Why pick on Natalie Portman?

He could have made a point about poor single mothers (usual;ly with more than one child) without her, and he could have discussed one key solution to a real problem by advocating more funding for Planned Parenthood.

But he just wants to be President, not solve problems.//

Because Portman is part of Hollywood, that den of liberal iniquity. It all ties together into one great big evil after all. /

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:34:12pm

re: #35 Naso Tang

Why pick on Natalie Portman?

My guess would be it was intended as an attack on liberal hollywood elites and their corrosive effects in American culture.

Boyo Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:34:47pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

My guess would be it was intended as an attack on liberal hollywood elites and their corrosive effects in American culture.

and their non squirrel eatin ways

wrenchwench Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:35:13pm

"In a recent media interview about my new book, A Simple Government, I discussed the first chapter, 'The Most Important Form of Government Is a Father, Mother, and Children,' " Huckabee said...

Fascist. I haven't read the book, but most people who say that have Father in the role of Dictator.

William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:35:32pm

re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist

My GMIL stews them.

Yummy that way.

Summer Lovin' Torture Party Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:36:41pm

re: #34 Linden Arden

I want the Huckster in the GOP primaries because the "true" conservatives hate him - which seems to be the case for the entire field except for Palin.

This could be the most entertaining election yet.

Or the quickest.

b_sharp Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:36:42pm

re: #19 SanFranciscoZionist

Obama is the bad kind of not like the rest of us.

Squirrel-popping, like moose-shooting, qualifies as the 'purer, more outdoorsy' kind of 'not like the suburban rest of you that really want to be more like me'.

In some minds, down to Earth equates to a closer grasp of common sense which in turn equates to a more accurate picture of reality. Those same minds, when reminded that science was developed to overcome mistakes made by relying strictly on common sense, and that many things, such a quantum effects, run counter to common sense, counter by mentioning meaningless (in their common sense) scientific pursuits such as playing with fruit flies.

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:37:48pm

re: #36 Romantic Heretic

I peg it somewhere around 1850, myself.

I always figure 1950, because the Boomers amongst them seem to have this idealized view of their childhoods. That things were so "great" back then, when folks (read: blacks) "knew their place," when women weren't trying to be "equal" because they were "happy" being wives and mothers, that America was an economic powerhouse where nobody was unemployed, where "multiculturalism" and other hippie ideals either didn't exist or were reviled, and so forth.

Basically, they got brainwashed by Leave it to Beaver to believe that America's best days are behind it, unless we drag ourselves back to those times.

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:39:36pm

re: #47 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I always figure 1950, because the Boomers amongst them seem to have this idealized view of their childhoods. That things were so "great" back then, when folks (read: blacks) "knew their place," when women weren't trying to be "equal" because they were "happy" being wives and mothers, that America was an economic powerhouse where nobody was unemployed, where "multiculturalism" and other hippie ideals either didn't exist or were reviled, and so forth.

Basically, they got brainwashed by Leave it to Beaver to believe that America's best days are behind it, unless we drag ourselves back to those times.

I've always thought that June and Ward were pretty liberal. I bet they donated to the NAACP, and lectured the boys on the importance of racial equality.

engineer cat Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:40:14pm

i think huckster diagnosed his problems in the last election cycle as having come off as too intelligent and compassionate and he's working hard to overcome that impression

wrenchwench Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:40:47pm

re: #18 publicityStunted

Squirrels aren't the only animal victims here...

Huckabee's son tortured a dog to death and got away with it with Daddy's help:

Is that what he wrote this book about? "Kids Who Kill: Confronting Our Culture of Violence "

b_sharp Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:40:53pm

re: #35 Naso Tang

Why pick on Natalie Portman?

He could have made a point about poor single mothers (usual;ly with more than one child) without her, and he could have discussed one key solution to a real problem by advocating more funding for Planned Parenthood.

But he just wants to be President, not solve problems.//

Problems can defined by the putative solution. These people have solutions they want put in place and then look around for something that can be bent to that solution.

b_sharp Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:43:39pm

re: #47 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I always figure 1950, because the Boomers amongst them seem to have this idealized view of their childhoods. That things were so "great" back then, when folks (read: blacks) "knew their place," when women weren't trying to be "equal" because they were "happy" being wives and mothers, that America was an economic powerhouse where nobody was unemployed, where "multiculturalism" and other hippie ideals either didn't exist or were reviled, and so forth.

Basically, they got brainwashed by Leave it to Beaver to believe that America's best days are behind it, unless we drag ourselves back to those times.

Doesn't it ever strike them as odd that Father, a married man, was always chasing Beaver?

scienceisreal Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:44:27pm

Interesting fact for Mike, while 79.5% of single mothers are employed, only 50.3% of women are employed. So shouldn't his criticism be directed at women in general?

Linden Arden Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:44:49pm

re: #45 Kid A

Or the quickest.

Is there a quick scenario? I can't see one.

Romney will do poorly in the outset except for NH. Palin has high negatives and may not get out of the gate. Huck will lead in Iowa and SC but will stumble after that. Pawlenty and Daniels are incredibly boring.

The GOP field is wretched for sure with no one to fast start.

(I like Chris Christie myself but take his word he won't run)

b_sharp Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:45:16pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

Is that what he wrote this book about? "Kids Who Kill: Confronting Our Culture of Violence "

On sale for $4.80. Must be used a lot in Psych and Criminology classes - NOT!

Interesting Times Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:45:28pm

re: #22 HappyWArrior

How could anyone do that to a dog? I remember hearing the story in 2008. Had no idea Huckabee did that to the prosecutor. Talk about an abuse of power.

More details about it in this Newsweek article:

It also prompted the local prosecuting attorney...to write a letter to the Arkansas state police seeking help investigating whether David and another teenager had violated state animal-cruelty laws. The state police never granted the request, and no charges were ever filed. But John Bailey, then the director of Arkansas's state police, tells NEWSWEEK that Governor Huckabee's chief of staff and personal lawyer both leaned on him to write a letter officially denying the local prosecutor's request. Bailey, a career officer who had been appointed chief by Huckabee's Democratic predecessor, said he viewed the lawyer's intervention as improper and terminated the conversation. Seven months later, he was called into Huckabee's office and fired. "I've lost confidence in your ability to do your job," Bailey says Huckabee told him. One reason Huckabee cited was "I couldn't get you to help me with my son when I had that problem," according to Bailey. "Without question, [Huckabee] was making a conscious attempt to keep the state police from investigating his son," says I. C. Smith, the former FBI chief in Little Rock, who worked closely with Bailey and called him a "courageous" and "very solid" professional.

Disgusting doesn't even come close to describing it. Huckabee is utterly vile.

engineer cat Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:46:10pm

re: #47 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I always figure 1950, because the Boomers amongst them seem to have this idealized view of their childhoods. That things were so "great" back then, when folks (read: blacks) "knew their place," when women weren't trying to be "equal" because they were "happy" being wives and mothers, that America was an economic powerhouse where nobody was unemployed, where "multiculturalism" and other hippie ideals either didn't exist or were reviled, and so forth.

Basically, they got brainwashed by Leave it to Beaver to believe that America's best days are behind it, unless we drag ourselves back to those times.

seriously, i've had wingnuts tell me that the idea that there was promiscuity, drug abuse, serious poverty, sweatshops, child labor, and horribly exploited industrial workers before "fdr came in and introduced socialism", are myths propogated by revisionisr liberal historians

enigma3535 Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:46:23pm

Does it matter to Huckabee?

Like all the other contenders from the GOP, he has to win the primaries and be the "other candidate" against Obama ... and hope that something goes wrong in the economy [very possible] or current world order [also, very possible] causing the center to want a change ... given that reality, blowing the dog whistle for the far right makes solid political sense ... given that I want competent leadership for this country at a time where any incompetence could lead to the US being an afterthought in my kids' [6 and 7] lifetimes ... I am rather chagrined and disgusted by all this amping from the Right right now ... IMHO, centrist leadership in the Whitehouse is needed and it appears no centrist-leaning candidate can win on the GOP side [unless they lie their arses off ... one can hope].

Boyo Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:48:50pm

what is happening right now?

why is some one like Huckabee even a contender?

b_sharp Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:49:42pm

re: #57 engineer dog

seriously, i've had wingnuts tell me that the idea that there was promiscuity, drug abuse, serious poverty, sweatshops, child labor, and horribly exploited industrial workers before "fdr came in and introduced socialism", are myths propogated by revisionisr liberal historians

What people believe does not have to reflect reality, it only has to reflect what they've been told by a trusted authority figure.

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:50:30pm

re: #59 Boyo

what is happening right now?

why is some one like Huckabee even a contender?

Because no one who looks like a solid contender is stepping up, and it's already March.

MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:50:34pm

re: #52 b_sharp

Doesn't it ever strike them as odd that Father, a married man, was always chasing Beaver?

*rimshot*

b_sharp Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:50:38pm

re: #59 Boyo

what is happening right now?

why is some one like Huckabee even a contender?

That is the $64,000,000 question. (Inflation)

b_sharp Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:51:36pm

re: #62 talon_262

*rimshot*

Only if he was a Sodomite.

bluecheese Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:51:44pm

seem to me like huck is saying all this stupid shit to gain favor with Republican primary voters.......

It is sad that they can't be persuaded with arguments that are rational in any way. They radicalize whoever it is that will win the nomination, forcing them to say dumb shit.

Obdicut Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:51:52pm

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

Because no one who looks like a solid contender is stepping up, and it's already March.

And no one who would be a solid contender is actually a solid contender. Huntsman seems very sane, but he doesn't deny AGW and he doesn't hate teh gay. I don't see him winning unless he goes to the right by a vast distance.

Boyo Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:53:29pm

are agw deniers and ghey haters that big a group they need to be catered to?

MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:54:05pm

re: #66 Obdicut

And no one who would be a solid contender is actually a solid contender. Huntsman seems very sane, but he doesn't deny AGW and he doesn't hate teh gay. I don't see him winning unless he goes to the right by a vast distance.

Huntsman would better off running as a Dem or even as an independant...trying to stay and run as a Republican would guarantee he'll die a quick death in the primaries because of the wingnuts.

Boyo Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:54:09pm

sigh....

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:54:21pm

re: #67 Boyo

are agw deniers and ghey haters that big a group they need to be catered to?

I don't actually know, but the current incarnation of the GOP seems pretty thoroughly convinced that they are.

Me, I think that if one of them went rogue and started talking sense, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

dmon Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:54:49pm

It surprises me that the conservatives are so damn worried about kids being brought up with no father in the house, but have no problems shipping a few hundred thousand young fathers off to a foreign country to fight for a year at a time.

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:55:28pm

re: #57 engineer dog

seriously, i've had wingnuts tell me that the idea that there was promiscuity, drug abuse, serious poverty, sweatshops, child labor, and horribly exploited industrial workers before "fdr came in and introduced socialism", are myths propogated by revisionisr liberal historians

Oh, I've had one swear up and down that the numbers "prove" that the cause of all the social ills of the last 60+ years has to do with the introduction of no-fault divorce. Another tell me that women should be barred from the work place because the "natural order" says that a man's job is to protect and provide for his family, while a woman's place is to keep the home and "bless" the marriage with lots of kids. And another tell me that "zero tolerance" policies are a "liberal" invention, because back in his day, getting caught on school grounds with a rifle was cause for nothing more than a slap on the wrist, if even that.

But all seem to agree that things were so much better back when they were growing up, and that the common thread is "liberals" who came in and introduced all these ills upon American society.

wrenchwench Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:55:51pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist

if one of them went rogue and started talking sense

Nominated to rotate.

MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:56:43pm

re: #71 dmon

It surprises me that the conservatives are so damn worried about kids being brought up with no father in the house, but have no problems shipping a few hundred thousand young fathers off to a foreign country to fight for a year at a time.

For multiple tours...

dragonfire1981 Sat, Mar 5, 2011 12:57:43pm

re: #58 enigma3535

A Republican politician who lies?

Yeah, I think I can find one or two of them for you...

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 5, 2011 1:00:24pm

re: #68 talon_262

Huntsman would better off running as a Dem or even as an independant...trying to stay and run as a Republican would guarantee he'll die a quick death in the primaries because of the wingnuts.

Nah, Huntsman has a better chance than Romney, if only because he doesn't bear the "stink" of "Romneycare," and thus can go out there on stage and tell folks that he totally disagrees with a program to provide health insurance to the vast majority of Americans.

All he has to do is make the right noises about he's "Not Obama" and he'll have a strong chance to win the nomination.

wrenchwench Sat, Mar 5, 2011 1:00:53pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

Is that what he wrote this book about? "Kids Who Kill: Confronting Our Culture of Violence "

From the editorial review of that book:

As a former pastor and state official, Huckabee has first-hand experience with the demise of our nation.

Heh.

MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 5, 2011 1:03:35pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't actually know, but the current incarnation of the GOP seems pretty thoroughly convinced that they are.

Me, I think that if one of them went rogue and started talking sense, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

I'd love nothing better than for the GOP to repudiate the wingnuts and bigots, in order to be an effective, viable, sensible political option to the Democrats. Instead, the TPGOP is doubling down on the bigotry and the crazy...it'll be no one's fault but theirs if the Democratic Party keeps winning elections.

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 5, 2011 1:04:23pm

Better this than something else.

Kid's got big brass ovaries, but this situation is beyond bad.

b_sharp Sat, Mar 5, 2011 1:06:08pm

re: #72 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, I've had one swear up and down that the numbers "prove" that the cause of all the social ills of the last 60+ years has to do with the introduction of no-fault divorce. Another tell me that women should be barred from the work place because the "natural order" says that a man's job is to protect and provide for his family, while a woman's place is to keep the home and "bless" the marriage with lots of kids. And another tell me that "zero tolerance" policies are a "liberal" invention, because back in his day, getting caught on school grounds with a rifle was cause for nothing more than a slap on the wrist, if even that.

But all seem to agree that things were so much better back when they were growing up, and that the common thread is "liberals" who came in and introduced all these ills upon American society.

Years ago, families were large because parents knew some of their children would die before becoming adults and because large families were necessary to effectively run truck farms. As farming technology grew and environmental and medical improvements reduced child deaths, smaller families became the norm.

In our highly educated, highly specialized world, extremely small families have become the norm, and consequently we are less willing to lose our one or two children so we take far fewer chances with them than our parents did with us, and their parents did with them.

It has very little to do with 'liberals' and everything to do with changing technology and the resultant change in social structure.

Of course that isn't as simple an idea as 'the liberals did it'.

b_sharp Sat, Mar 5, 2011 1:07:03pm

re: #77 wrenchwench

From the editorial review of that book:

Heh.

Add a meh to that heh.

wrenchwench Sat, Mar 5, 2011 1:08:54pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Better this than something else.

Kid's got big brass ovaries, but this situation is beyond bad.

I don't know whether I should hope Erika Gandara is still alive or not.

In December, another female chief, Erika Gandara, was kidnapped in her town of Guadalupe, where she was the only police officer. Her whereabouts are still unknown.

b_sharp Sat, Mar 5, 2011 1:09:52pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

I don't know whether I should hope Erika Gandara is still alive or not.

My imagination tells me she's better off dead.

b_sharp Sat, Mar 5, 2011 1:13:52pm

BBL

moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 5, 2011 1:15:16pm

re: #76 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nah, Huntsman has a better chance than Romney, if only because he doesn't bear the "stink" of "Romneycare," and thus can go out there on stage and tell folks that he totally disagrees with a program to provide health insurance to the vast majority of Americans.

All he has to do is make the right noises about he's "Not Obama" and he'll have a strong chance to win the nomination.

Huntsman? I guess he will be running as "Not Obama" who worked for Obama. What's he going to say? Obama was so awful that he worked in his administration for 2 years? Huntsman could possibly win a general election, but he will never win the GOP primary. The base of the GOP wants blood and Huntsman is in no position to give it to them. Now if he has told Obama to shove his offer to be ambassador to China when it was offered, then the guy would have something to run on. The most important thing to the GOP base is that the nominee hate Barack Obama and Huntsman fails that test. Whether he runs or not, Obama effectively neutralized him already.

reine.de.tout Sat, Mar 5, 2011 1:16:57pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Huck is still relying on false statistics...

His correction...

10 seconds to google search reveals...
Single Parent Statistics

79.5% of custodial single mothers are gainfully employed
...
27% of custodial single mothers and their children live in poverty
...
Among custodial single mothers:
* 22% receive Medicaid
* 23.5% receive food stamps
* 12% receive some form of public housing or rent subsidy

And most of those receive the aid only temporarily until they get their feet on the ground; it's not he same 22%, 23% continuously.

Perhaps some energy should be spent to go after deadbeat dads who don't pony up the child support, rather than excoriating women who need the aid.

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 5, 2011 1:19:39pm

re: #85 moderatelyradicalliberal

Huntsman? I guess he will be running as "Not Obama" who worked for Obama. What's he going to say? Obama was so awful that he worked in his administration for 2 years? Huntsman could possibly win a general election, but he will never win the GOP primary. The base of the GOP wants blood and Huntsman is in no position to give it to them. Now if he has told Obama to shove his offer to be ambassador to China when it was offered, then the guy would have something to run on. The most important thing to the GOP base is that the nominee hate Barack Obama and Huntsman fails that test. Whether he runs or not, Obama effectively neutralized him already.

I'm personally of the believe, like in '04, the supposed "power" of the crazies will be of little consequence. That when this trainwreck of a primary season makes it to Iowa, the level-headed voters are going to win out and whoever the Tea Party crowns will go the way of Howie Dean. That Romney, Huntsman, or another "RINO" is going to end up winning out in the primaries because of the perceived ability to take on Obama and win.

Because right now, if they send a Tea Party darling to take on Obama, it's going to have all the effectiveness of Don Quixote tilting at a windmill.

moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 5, 2011 1:32:49pm

re: #87 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm personally of the believe, like in '04, the supposed "power" of the crazies will be of little consequence. That when this trainwreck of a primary season makes it to Iowa, the level-headed voters are going to win out and whoever the Tea Party crowns will go the way of Howie Dean. That Romney, Huntsman, or another "RINO" is going to end up winning out in the primaries because of the perceived ability to take on Obama and win.

Because right now, if they send a Tea Party darling to take on Obama, it's going to have all the effectiveness of Don Quixote tilting at a windmill.

I'm curious as to what evidence you have seen that the crazy won't take over. If you are referencing Howard Dean vs Kerry back in '04, I take issue that he was the same type of crazy we have seen from the TP/GOP base. There hasn't been anything on the left in recent years that compares to this. I don't think the sensibilities of the left can be compared to the sensibilities of the right. Also, do we have any reason to believe that the "electable" Republican candidates won't veer off to the far right? The crazies are at lest half of the GOP primary voters, they are not fringe. None of the candidates is going to be confident enough about winning the primary to leave all of those votes on the table. They will still need those folks to show up for them during th general election, like Obama needed the Hillary voters. And not just to vote either. They will be needed to raise money, knock on doors, make phone calls, etc. They are too large in number to ignore. They will need to be appeased and they will probably need a TPer as VP to fire them up. In other words, like McCain had to pick a Palin and we know how well that turned out.

Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 5, 2011 1:34:46pm

re: #53 scienceisreal

Interesting fact for Mike, while 79.5% of single mothers are employed, only 50.3% of women are employed. So shouldn't his criticism be directed at women in general?

I think that misses the real point, as opposed Huckabee's version.

There is a very real social problem with single mothers of multiple children that they seldom can support without welfare, even if they work.

Just check into the family statistics of the prison population if you are not sure.

Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 5, 2011 1:46:38pm

re: #86 reine.de.tout

And most of those receive the aid only temporarily until they get their feet on the ground; it's not he same 22%, 23% continuously.

Perhaps some energy should be spent to go after deadbeat dads who don't pony up the child support, rather than excoriating women who need the aid.

This topic is of some interest to me, in part because I have a daughter who works picking up the pieces when those families hit bottom, in part because we have had some rentals under housing assistance programs for many years.

I do not see most young women with 2-4 kids, no GED and a minimum wage job ever being able to afford a large family without assistance.

Authorities do go after the deadbeat dads, usually several, but most of them are in jail, and being deadbeats with no wages to garnish makes it a futile solution.

emcesq Sat, Mar 5, 2011 1:51:15pm

The rise of Huckaban!

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 5, 2011 2:59:11pm

Huge garage sale @ my house. Come one come all!!

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 5, 2011 4:21:45pm

Huck hunts squirrels, Palin hunts moose... There's a plot here somewhere.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Mar 5, 2011 4:36:57pm

What we see with Huckabee is the naked truth about how crazy so-cons think, because he's pulling out all the stops to get them under his banner

ever prejudice they have is a lever for Huckabee. Every suspicion they have, every racist thought, every dull meme they swallow is a tool to grab onto and use

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Mar 5, 2011 4:39:01pm

re: #86 reine.de.tout

And most of those receive the aid only temporarily until they get their feet on the ground; it's not he same 22%, 23% continuously.

Perhaps some energy should be spent to go after deadbeat dads who don't pony up the child support, rather than excoriating women who need the aid.

This forever

But this is all patriarchy stuff coming from Huckabee, BLAME THE WOMEN

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Mar 5, 2011 4:40:09pm

re: #18 publicityStunted

Squirrels aren't the only animal victims here...

Huckabee's son tortured a dog to death and got away with it with Daddy's help:

CHRISTIAN!

Amory Blaine Sat, Mar 5, 2011 5:43:28pm

He's talking shit so rubes will go buy his new book.

lostlakehiker Sat, Mar 5, 2011 7:18:51pm

re: #97 Amory Blaine

He's talking shit so rubes will go buy his new book.

He's melting down. He might as well be Lindsay Lohan and Charlie Sheen wrapped up in one, considering what his own words are doing to his political prospects. Good riddance.

lostlakehiker Sat, Mar 5, 2011 7:24:05pm

re: #53 scienceisreal

Interesting fact for Mike, while 79.5% of single mothers are employed, only 50.3% of women are employed. So shouldn't his criticism be directed at women in general?

Umm, married women sometimes have husbands who work. If the man earns enough, this opens up the option to stay home and take care of the kids for a while.

This is not to insist on Kirche Kueche Kinder. Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir both took this path.

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Flavia Sun, Mar 6, 2011 8:33:10pm

re: #53 scienceisreal

Interesting fact for Mike, while 79.5% of single mothers are employed, only 50.3% of women are employed. So shouldn't his criticism be directed at women in general?

SHSHSHSH! Don't give the obnoxious hypocrite anymore ideas!!!

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Stephen T. Mon, Mar 7, 2011 7:13:22am

re: #36 Romantic Heretic

I peg it somewhere around 1850, myself.

It's not the 1950s or the 1850s it's the imaginary50s. The kind of world they believe we need to get back to never existed, except in idealistic Hays Code Hollywood productions. Productions, mind you, that were created by the Media Elite or the MSM, a code for "Jew Controlled Media". I always laugh at the mental gymnastics of certain conservative friends of mine when they espouse this fictional ideal, and in the same conversation disparage the corruption of youth by the Hollywood entertainment industry.

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