Tsunami Updates: US West Coast Hit, Japanese Reactors Damaged

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The tsunami from Japan’s enormous earthquake struck the west coast of the United States this morning, damaging boats and killing at least one man who was swept out to sea when he tried to photograph the incoming wave.

There is great concern about the nuclear power plants damaged in the quake and tsunami; an evacuation was ordered from the Fukushima Daiichi plant in northeastern Japan.

In northeastern Japan, the cooling system at Fukushima Daiichi plant failed and pressure began to build inside, prompting the government to shut down the plant and declare a state of emergency at a nuclear facility for the first time ever. Authorities evacuated at least 3,000 residents in a 10-kilometre radius.

Pressure inside one of six boiling water reactors had risen to 1.5 times the normal level, Japan’s nuclear safety agency said. Following the first evacuation order, the government said the plant would release slightly radioactive vapor in the hopes of averting a possible meltdown.

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138 comments

1 albusteve  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:26:43pm

the Plates are angry…this may be just a run up for the big one, but I’ve been saying that for a year now

2 GatorAtLaw  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:27:35pm

And just like that, the kibosh will be put on nuclear power.

Unfortunately.

3 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:28:58pm

Tsunami Wave hits Emeryville (SF bay area)

4 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:29:45pm

Well, at least we won’t have to wait until Korean cows start giving radioactive milk to find out there was a problem.

5 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:30:49pm

re: #1 albusteve

the Plates are angry…this may be just a run up for the big one, but I’ve been saying that for a year now

Maybe the whales worked with the dolphins and got a working earthquake machine going. Iceland could be next as they start to strike back!
(Hey, it’s as likely as HAARP or the End Times, isn’t it?)

6 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:31:26pm

re: #2 GatorAtLaw

And just like that, the kibosh will be put on nuclear power.

Unfortunately.

Really, a few seismic tremors, a few threatened meltdowns, and people just up and panic for no real reason…

/

7 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:32:13pm

re: #1 albusteve

the Plates are angry…this may be just a run up for the big one, but I’ve been saying that for a year now

The plates don’t get angry. They don’t fall in love. They don’t forward pictures of piglets in boots.

They just move very, very slowly but with great inertia.

8 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:32:23pm

Maru is safe.

Thank you for worrying and praying.
9 Bob Dillon  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:33:02pm

re: #4 EmmmieG

If memory serves me, the jet stream blows the opposite direction - so it will be the cows on the US West coast where it first shows up.

10 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:33:02pm

Radiation levels at a nuclear plant are reported at being 1000x normal levels. If it isn’t cooled down the radiation could leak out, which could result in a reactor meltdown. Definitely not good.

FTA: “……radiation levels inside one of the reactors at the Fukushima-Daini nuclear power plant have surged to 1,000 times their normal levels after the cooling system failed. Pressure inside the reactor has risen to 1.5 times the level considered normal.”

More details here:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk…]

11 abbyadams  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:33:35pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Do you have a special magic browser you use to find these things?

12 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:33:48pm

re: #9 Bobibutu

If memory serves me, the jet stream blows the opposite direction - so it will be the cows on the US West coast where it first shows up.

California Cows? (Oh, there are a thousand jokes here, and I can’t even figure out which one to take first.)

13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:33:59pm

re: #2 GatorAtLaw

And just like that, the kibosh will be put on nuclear power.

Unfortunately.

Not sure. Temporarily - maybe, but I think the nuclear scare is more or less past us, no?

14 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:34:35pm

re: #13 Sergey Romanov

Not sure. Temporarily - maybe, but I think the nuclear scare is more or less past us, no?

That depends on what happens with reactor 1 in the coming days.

15 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:34:41pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Maru is safe.

“I AM MARU.” can become purchase even in foreign countries!

16 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:35:18pm

re: #11 abbyadams

Do you have a special magic browser you use to find these things?


;)

17 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:35:37pm

re: #13 Sergey Romanov

If Chernobyl didn’t kill nuclear power, then this incident probably won’t.

Thoughts and prayers to the workers of these NPPs there. Hope they can get it all under control before it’s too late.

18 GatorAtLaw  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:36:04pm

re: #13 Sergey Romanov

Not sure. Temporarily - maybe, but I think the nuclear scare is more or less past us, no?

I expect the herd mentality to take over. I expect the worst that will happen here is the release of some steam to relieve pressure (anyone want to take a guess at exactly how radioactive that steam will be?).

But people will see the immediacy of that and forget the tons and tons and tons (and tons) of carbon we’re putting into the air right now, and the arab regimes currently stacking bodies like cordwood using petro-dollars.

19 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:36:44pm

Well, the good thing is that these reactors and containment buildings are probably the best in the world.

20 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:37:19pm

re: #15 Charles

“I AM MARU.” can become purchase even in foreign countries!

I am Maru costs 1,575 somethings. Seems like a lot.

21 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:37:39pm

re: #18 GatorAtLaw

They key to people forgetting about carbon is right-wing scare campaign. Somehow I doubt the same wingnuts are anti-nuclear.

22 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:37:51pm

Sitting here trying to imagine “Kidd of Speed” with a Japanese girl on a scooter.

Everything would be very, very cute.

(Not meaning to offend the Japanese. They just do cute very well.)

23 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:37:52pm

Listening to NHK, it sounds like Fukushima II NPP is having cooling problems, but it could be the #2 reactor at F-I.

24 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:38:05pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

I am Maru costs 1,575 somethings. Seems like a lot.

About 20 bucks.

25 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:40:20pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

I am Maru costs 1,575 somethings. Seems like a lot.

Yeah, but it’s eligible for free shipping!!!

26 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:40:49pm

Radiation levels measured at a monitoring post near the plant’s main gate are more than eight times above normal, Japan’s nuclear safety agency said, according to Kyodo.

27 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:41:16pm

re: #25 JasonA

Yeah, but it’s eligible for free shipping!!!

I don’t read Japanese, but is that a real cat? Shipped from Japan?

I see a problem.

28 GatorAtLaw  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:42:06pm

I’d like to know who had the bright idea to build that reactor on the coast. Should have put it inland in an area typically ravaged by tsunamis.

29 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:42:16pm

re: #27 EmmmieG

I don’t read Japanese, but is that a real cat? Shipped from Japan?

I see a problem.

It’s a DVD.
:)

30 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:42:39pm

re: #29 Varek Raith

It’s a DVD.
:)

Much better. Much less stinky by the time it arrived from Japan.

31 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:42:40pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

I am Maru costs 1,575 somethings. Seems like a lot.

That is a damned cute cat, though. I see why people were concerned.

32 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:43:03pm

A friend of mine says small tsunami waves are hitting the bay area and people are trying to surf on them.

33 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:43:19pm

re: #32 Conservative Moonbat

A friend of mine says small tsunami waves are hitting the bay area and people are trying to surf on them.

Facepalm.

34 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:43:45pm

re: #31 Charles

That is a damned cute cat, though. I see why people were concerned.

It’s the hair.

/

35 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:43:45pm

re: #27 EmmmieG

I don’t read Japanese, but is that a real cat? Shipped from Japan?

I see a problem.

I wonder if I can trade a few Saskatchewan gophers for a Japanese cat?

36 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:44:21pm

re: #31 Charles

That is a damned cute cat, though. I see why people were concerned.

You’d have problems filling sandbags to combat flooding with him around however…

Or trying to pack a box of relief supplies.

37 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:44:37pm

YokosoNews’ UStream channel

This guy is relating Japanese news broadcasts from different outlets into English. Every once in a while, you’ll hear a beeping noise; that’s Japan’s early warning system for earthquakes. It only gives people about 5-30 seconds, but it’s better than nothing, I guess.

38 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:45:01pm

Must now go get some boys from a class. See you all later.

39 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:45:02pm

Heh.

[Link: twitter.com…]

40 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:45:17pm

re: #37 commadore183

YokosoNews’ UStream channel

This guy is relating Japanese news broadcasts from different outlets into English. Every once in a while, you’ll hear a beeping noise; that’s Japan’s early warning system for earthquakes. It only gives people about 5-30 seconds, but it’s better than nothing, I guess.

It’s enough time to get under the desk/table/etc.

41 Randy W. Weeks  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:45:57pm

re: #39 Charles

Heh.

[Link: twitter.com…]

Another brilliant Texan.

sigh

42 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:46:28pm

re: #39 Charles

Reading comprehension: someone needs some SERIOUS remedial classes on it.

43 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:46:56pm
#
2239: Japanese nuclear safety officials have said the problems at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear power plant represent “no immediate health hazard” to people living nearby. Some 45,000 people living within a 10km (6-mile) radius of the plant were told to evacuate as radiation levels rose to 1,000 times above normal in one reactor.
44 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:47:00pm

re: #39 Charles

Yes, a combination of lower GOP spending and CO2 emissions will trigger killer earthquakes.

I believe this, and no amount of science can convince me otherwise.

Our schools must be compelled to “teach the controversy”

/

45 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:47:26pm

The tsunami wave propagates — from the NOAA Tsunami Center:

46 jaunte  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:47:47pm

re: #27 EmmmieG

I don’t read Japanese, but is that a real cat? Shipped from Japan?

I see a problem.

I think they flatten them out into CD form before shipping.

47 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:48:11pm

Various hairstyles and Maru

48 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:48:17pm

re: #46 jaunte

I think they flatten them out into CD form before shipping.

sailcats!

49 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:50:11pm

re: #32 Conservative Moonbat

A friend of mine says small tsunami waves are hitting the bay area and people are trying to surf on them.

You can’t surf on a soliton wave, the physics are wrong.

50 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:51:52pm

Isn’t Godzilla supposed to come into the picture somehow as a result of this?

51 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:52:11pm

An emergency declaration has been declared at the F-II NPP. If I heard correctly, the coolant temps rose from 30C to 100C (from 86F to 212F). They said there’s no danger to the public.

52 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:52:36pm

re: #49 b_sharp

You can’t surf on a soliton wave, the physics are wrong.

Another friend of mine said people were lined up with surf boards in LA and nothing ever came.

53 Blizard  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:52:40pm

re: #50 Conservative Moonbat

Just remove the ‘zilla’

54 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:52:51pm

re: #39 Charles

Heh.

[Link: twitter.com…]

There’s a certain Diary that’s criticizing you for this too.

55 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:53:11pm

re: #49 b_sharp

You can’t surf on a soliton wave, the physics are wrong.

Pfffttt, what do you know, doood???

56 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:55:00pm

re: #39 Charles

Heh.

[Link: twitter.com…]

Ha!
So, according to the most recent post, the reactor damage was caused by the west coast getting hit by a tsunami.
/

Logic

57 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:55:43pm

re: #52 Conservative Moonbat

Another friend of mine said people were lined up with surf boards in LA and nothing ever came.

I can imagine them sitting on their boards out on the water when it pulls back, tossing them like tumble weeds, and then a wall of water slams into them.

58 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:56:19pm

re: #55 Varek Raith

Pfffttt, what do you know, doood???

I make tsunamis when I take a bath.

59 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:56:39pm

re: #58 b_sharp

I make tsunamis when I take a bath.

Whoa.

60 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:56:40pm

re: #56 Varek Raith

Ha!
So, according to the most recent post, the reactor damage was caused by the west coast getting hit by a tsunami.
/

???

61 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:57:44pm

re: #60 b_sharp

???

What do you mean “???”?

62 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:58:29pm

re: #17 commadore183

If Chernobyl didn’t kill nuclear power, then this incident probably won’t.

Thoughts and prayers to the workers of these NPPs there. Hope they can get it all under control before it’s too late.

Actually, both Chernobyl and Three Mile Island hit nuclear power hard. Simplistically, because of them the US pretty much stopped building them beyond completing those in progress.

It may or may not stop nuclear power in Japan, but Gator at @ is right to be concerned for here in the US.

63 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:00:02pm

re: #62 kirkspencer

Actually, both Chernobyl and Three Mile Island hit nuclear power hard. Simplistically, because of them the US pretty much stopped building them beyond completing those in progress.

It may or may not stop nuclear power in Japan, but Gator at @ is right to be concerned for here in the US.

Because god knows the reactors we’re building in Georgia are in prime earthquake and Tsunami country.

64 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:00:17pm

re: #62 kirkspencer

Actually, both Chernobyl and Three Mile Island hit nuclear power hard. Simplistically, because of them the US pretty much stopped building them beyond completing those in progress.

It may or may not stop nuclear power in Japan, but Gator at _2_ is right to be concerned for here in the US.

fixed. (pimf)

65 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:00:33pm

Iowa GOPer Dubs NRA-Backed Legislation ‘Give-A-Handgun-To-A-Schizophrenic Bill’

This would be hilarious if it weren’t so sad. They’re endorsing legislation that they know is dangerous but they do it anyways. The GOP needs serious help.

66 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:00:59pm
#
2252: The Tokyo Electric Power Company has said the cooling systems of three reactors at second nuclear power plant, Fukushima-Daini, are malfunctioning, according to the Kyodo news agency. The plant is 11km (7 miles) to the south of Fukushima-Daiichi, where the cooling system one of its reactors is not working and pressure is rising.
67 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:01:32pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

it’s funny because they’re evil

68 GatorAtLaw  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:01:37pm

re: #63 Conservative Moonbat

Because god knows the reactors we’re building in Georgia are in prime earthquake and Tsunami country.

The damage to this reactor would be substantially mitigated if it wasn’t built on the coast in a tsunami-prone country. I’m at a loss as to why the engineers didn’t consider that.

69 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:01:46pm

re: #66 commadore183

Shit.

70 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:01:51pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Iowa GOPer Dubs NRA-Backed Legislation ‘Give-A-Handgun-To-A-Schizophrenic Bill’


[Video]

This would be hilarious if it weren’t so sad. They’re endorsing legislation that they know is dangerous but they do it anyways. The GOP needs serious help.

They’re just in it for the votes.

71 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:02:02pm

re: #61 Varek Raith

What do you mean “???”?

I guess I have to spell it out for you;

¿¿¿

Better?

72 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:02:26pm

re: #70 JasonA

They’re just in it for the votes.

Oh I don’t know, i think some of them legitimately want to fuck up the country

73 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:02:40pm

re: #71 b_sharp

I guess I have to spell it out for you;

¿¿¿

Better?

Was my sarcasm not sharp enough???
I is sad.

74 Stan the Demanded Plan  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:02:49pm

re: #39 Charles

Heh.

[Link: twitter.com…]

Nice bullet background. Don’t wanna know.

75 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:03:21pm

re: #68 GatorAtLaw

The damage to this reactor would be substantially mitigated if it wasn’t built on the coast in a tsunami-prone country. I’m at a loss as to why the engineers didn’t consider that.

I can only assume access to seawater for cooling was considered a plus?

76 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:03:32pm

re: #67 WindUpBird

it’s funny because they’re evil

I do make an effort to avoid labeling them as evil or doing intentional harm but with videos like that it becomes impossible.

77 GatorAtLaw  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:04:41pm

re: #75 Conservative Moonbat

I can only assume access to seawater for cooling was considered a plus?

Except you’d have to desalinate the water first, lest it corrode the shit out of your pipes and pumps. It just seems so monumentally dumb, in hindsight.

78 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:05:03pm

re: #73 Varek Raith

Was my sarcasm not sharp enough???
I is sad.

I’m collecting sarcasm as a power source, so it has to be razor sharp.

79 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:05:38pm

re: #63 Conservative Moonbat

Because god knows the reactors we’re building in Georgia are in prime earthquake and Tsunami country.

And you’re expecting reason on the subject?

80 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:06:01pm

re: #78 b_sharp

I’m collecting sarcasm as a power source, so it has to be razor sharp.

Blast.
I was just ripping on that guys complete lack of reading comprehension on that twitter post that Charles posted.
:)

81 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:07:33pm

re: #80 Varek Raith

Blast.
I was just ripping on that guys complete lack of reading comprehension on that twitter post that Charles posted.
:)

Why did you give me your other leg to pull? Most people just give me one.

82 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:07:55pm

re: #75 Conservative Moonbat

Yeah, I think that’s the reason why the Fukushima plants are located there. And I’m sure the engineers factored in the risks with placing the plants there. F-I’s reactor #1 (the one giving everyone fits there) came online in 1971. F-II’s reactors came online in the 80s. Maybe this is one of those things where everything came together for a potentially deadly shitstorm.

83 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:08:07pm

re: #81 b_sharp

Why did you give me your other leg to pull? Most people just give me one.

Because I’m bored…?
(Dammit! I got played!)

84 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:09:00pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

I do make an effort to avoid labeling them as evil or doing intentional harm but with videos like that it becomes impossible.

That guy, yeah, he just seems to relish it. tee hee!

The same sort of soft subhuman who would probably shit his diapers from one day in an ER helping gunshot victims, or half a day in a respite home caring for real schizophrenics

Just human garbage, these people, actively demonic

85 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:09:34pm

re: #83 Varek Raith

Because I’m bored…?
(Dammit! I got played!)

Sith need play time too, it can’t be all serious maiming and killing and evil incarnate.

86 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:10:31pm

re: #39 Charles

52 followers! My mother has more than that

87 reine.de.tout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:11:10pm

re: #47 Killgore Trout

Various hairstyles and Maru

[Video]

That’s hilarious!

88 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:11:38pm

re: #79 kirkspencer

And you’re expecting reason on the subject?

Not really. Three Mile Isle was, in contrast to the hysteria, a minor incident that lead to no discernible consequences, not even a measurable elevation in cancer rates. The disaster at Chernobyl was due to gross incompetence and an obsolete reactor design, two things that were prevalent in the USSR, especially in the later years. Yet, both are supposed to be definitive “proof” that nuclear power is simply too dangerous to be utilized.

Think some folks need to stop watching “The China Syndrome” and start looking at the statistics. They might start with the US Navy, which has been operating nuclear reactors aboard subs and carriers for 60+ years without a major accident.

89 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:13:28pm

re: #88 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Not really. Three Mile Isle was, in contrast to the hysteria, a minor incident that lead to no discernible consequences, not even a measurable elevation in cancer rates. The disaster at Chernobyl was due to gross incompetence and an obsolete reactor design, two things that were prevalent in the USSR, especially in the later years. Yet, both are supposed to be definitive “proof” that nuclear power is simply too dangerous to be utilized.

Think some folks need to stop watching “The China Syndrome” and start looking at the statistics. They might start with the US Navy, which has been operating nuclear reactors aboard subs and carriers for 60+ years without a major accident.

I agree with you, but the perception is an important obstacle that still has to be overcome.

90 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:14:21pm

re: #88 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Think some folks need to stop watching “The China Syndrome” and start looking at the statistics. They might start with the US Navy, which has been operating nuclear reactors aboard subs and carriers for 60+ years without a major accident.

Pfft. You expect us to take those numbers seriously? The US Navy is run by the government! /

91 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:14:29pm

re: #89 JasonA

I agree with you, but the perception is an important obstacle that still has to be overcome.

Yeah, until everyone’s cars go up in a mushroom cloud.
;)

92 Stan the Demanded Plan  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:15:01pm

From Voice of America

W7VOA Steve Herman

Fukushima? RT @AmbassadorRoos: We’re advising all Americans living within 10 km of #Tokushima Nuclear Power Plant to evacuate immediately.

93 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:15:04pm

re: #89 JasonA

I agree with you, but the perception is an important obstacle that still has to be overcome.

considering how pissed off people get about wind farms near them, there’s going to have to be a lot of uphill NIMBY combat

94 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:15:20pm

re: #92 Stanley Sea

eek :(

95 Bob Dillon  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:16:20pm

re: #32 Conservative Moonbat

A friend of mine says small tsunami waves are hitting the bay area and people are trying to surf on them.

The “Not While The Surfs Up Construction Co.” took the day off in Santa Cruz. (that is a real company BTW)

96 Stan the Demanded Plan  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:16:31pm

re: #94 WindUpBird

eek :(

Very eek.

97 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:18:12pm
#
2310: More from the Tokyo Electric Power Company: It says the ability to control pressure in some of the reactors at Fukushima-Daini has been lost. Pressure is stable inside the reactors, but rising in the containment vessels, a company spokesman says.
99 Spocomptonite  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:20:09pm

re: #19 Varek Raith

Well, the good thing is that these reactors and containment buildings are probably the best in the world.

Japan is a pioneer in both nuclear power plants and earthquake safety. The fact that everything was pretty much still standing after THE WORLD’S 7TH LARGEST EARTHQUAKE IN RECORDED HISTORY is testament to how well these things are engineered.

Yes people, there’s damage, but keep in mind the context: 8.9 earthquake! You might as well have had an asteroid strike.

100 Four More Tears  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:21:17pm

re: #99 Spocomptonite

Japan is a pioneer in both nuclear power plants and earthquake safety. The fact that everything was pretty much still standing after THE WORLD’S 7TH LARGEST EARTHQUAKE IN RECORDED HISTORY is testament to how well these things are engineered.

Yes people, there’s damage, but keep in mind the context: 8.9 earthquake! You might as well have had an asteroid strike.

Or, dare I say it, a giant lizard…?

101 blueraven  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:22:33pm

re: #39 Charles

Heh.

[Link: twitter.com…]

LOL! ~Hangs head in shame for fellow Texan~

102 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:23:33pm

An 8.9 magnitude earthquake is akin to a 330 megaton nuke going off.

103 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:23:55pm

re: #102 Varek Raith

An 8.9 magnitude earthquake is akin to a 330 megaton nuke going off.

Energy wise.

104 Spocomptonite  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:26:14pm

re: #102 Varek Raith

An 8.9 magnitude earthquake is akin to a 330 megaton nuke going off.

Or seven of these.

105 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:26:32pm

re: #92 Stanley Sea

From Voice of America

W7VOA Steve Herman

Fukushima? RT @AmbassadorRoos: We’re advising all Americans living within 10 km of #Tokushima Nuclear Power Plant to evacuate immediately.

Where’s that power plant at? Never heard of it until now.

106 Bob Dillon  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:27:09pm

re: #88 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The US Navy nuke reactors are smaller and built more robustly. The guys and gals who operate and maintain them are very highly trained. Not something that private industry could or would ever begin to equal.

107 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:29:44pm

Valdivia Earthquake 9.5 (1960)
2.67 gigatons

Yucatán Peninsula impact 12.55 (Dino Killer asteroid)
100 teratons

SGR 1806-20 Starquake 32 (2004)
1×10[sup]21[/sup] yottatons

O_o

108 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:29:47pm

re: #106 Bobibutu

Exactly the point.

109 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:29:55pm

re: #99 Spocomptonite

Japan is a pioneer in both nuclear power plants and earthquake safety. The fact that everything was pretty much still standing after THE WORLD’S 7TH LARGEST EARTHQUAKE IN RECORDED HISTORY is testament to how well these things are engineered.

Yes people, there’s damage, but keep in mind the context: 8.9 earthquake! You might as well have had an asteroid strike.

In context? In context, a 8.9 point earthquake is NOTHING like an asteroid hit. Hyperbole. Get real.

110 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:31:00pm

re: #109 Walter L. Newton

In context? In context, a 8.9 point earthquake is NOTHING like an asteroid hit. Hyperbole. Get real.

Walter, I’m sure you realize this but asteroids come in all sizes.

111 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:31:55pm

re: #106 Bobibutu

The US Navy nuke reactors are smaller and built more robustly. The guys and gals who operate and maintain them are very highly trained. Not something that private industry could or would ever begin to equal.

Which is why, IMHO, private industry has no business running nuclear reactors. The power industry needs to be nationalized to get the best bang for our buck because it’s going to become a no-profit business in light of climate concerns anyway.

112 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:33:28pm

re: #104 Spocomptonite

Or seven of these.

The scary part? They changed out the Tsar Bomba’s intended neutron reflector with a lead one, basically throttling it down from it’s full potential. Theoretically, it should have been a 100 Mt weapon, possibly more.

113 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:35:06pm

re: #112 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The scary part? They changed out the Tsar Bomba’s intended neutron reflector with a lead one, basically throttling it down from it’s full potential. Theoretically, it should have been a 100 Mt weapon, possibly more.

Hell, that test nearly brought down the plane that dropped the damn thing.

114 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:35:38pm

re: #110 prononymous

Walter, I’m sure you realize this but asteroids come in all sizes.

And I’m sure you realize that when scientist talk of an asteroid, they are talking about something that is planetoid or planetule in size, and not boloid or meteor sized… meaning much bigger than you are imagining.

“Traditionally, small bodies orbiting the Sun were classified as asteroids, comets or meteoroids, with anything smaller than ten metres across being called a meteoroid.[15] The term “asteroid” is ill-defined. It never had a formal definition, with the broader term minor planet being preferred by the International Astronomical Union from 1853 on. In 2006, the term “small Solar System body” was introduced to cover both most minor planets and comets.[16] Other languages prefer “planetoid” (Greek for “planet-like”), and this term is occasionally used in English for the larger asteroids. The word “planetesimal” has a similar meaning, but refers specifically to the small building blocks of the planets that existed when the Solar System was forming. The term “planetule” was coined by the geologist William Daniel Conybeare to describe minor planets,[17] but is not in common use.”

115 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:35:42pm

re: #106 Bobibutu

The US Navy nuke reactors are smaller and built more robustly. The guys and gals who operate and maintain them are very highly trained. Not something that private industry could or would ever begin to equal.

True. Then we have the Russians, whose approach to nuclear power aboard submarines was “Okay, we take diesel sub, rip out engines, put reactor and turbines in their place, and send it to sea. Engineers will figure out how to operate it themselves.”

Works great, just ask the crew of K-19…be sure to carry a Geiger counter with you when you go.

116 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:36:34pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

I am Maru costs 1,575 somethings. Seems like a lot.

Reminds me of a time a million years ago when a friend of mine went to Italy as an exchange student. She was hosted by a wealthy family who gave her 30,000 Lira for some reason when she first arrived. She nearly shit herself inside-out until she found out it only amounted to about $20 or so.

117 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:39:06pm

re: #105 commadore183

Where’s that power plant at? Never heard of it until now.

I think they meant Fukushima?

118 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:39:25pm

re: #110 prononymous

Walter, I’m sure you realize this but asteroids come in all sizes.

Any significant bolide strike adds ejecta and atmospheric compression waves that earthquakes don’t, so the effects of equal energy events aren’t necessarily equal. Walter is a smartass’s smartass and does do his best to get a reaction, but in this case he is somewhat to mostly right.

119 Bob Dillon  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:40:33pm

re: #115 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

True. Then we have the Russians, whose approach to nuclear power aboard submarines was “Okay, we take diesel sub, rip out engines, put reactor and turbines in their place, and send it to sea. Engineers will figure out how to operate it themselves.”

Works great, just ask the crew of K-19…be sure to carry a Geiger counter with you when you go.

Not quite - but your point is well taken and has me laughing. The K-19 and several others. ;-)

120 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:41:30pm

re: #117 freetoken

Guess so. Probably one of those transliteration misunderstandings or something.

121 Querent  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:42:07pm

re: #88 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

hear, hear!

122 angel Graham  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:43:34pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

I am Maru costs 1,575 somethings. Seems like a lot.

About $19.23 in US dollars. Not too much. Oh, and that would be 1,575 Japanese Yen.

123 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:44:03pm

re: #120 commadore183

Tokushima is a largish town, and a common name perhaps attributed to something else. Fukushima though is the name of the area in which the nuclear power plant with the pump problems is located. The other nuke station with problems is near Miyagi, the one that had the fire.

124 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:45:59pm

Wikipedia article on the effects of the earthquake + tsunami on the nuclear power plants:
Wikipedia article

125 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:46:19pm

re: #118 b_sharp

Any significant bolide strike adds ejecta and atmospheric compression waves that earthquakes don’t, so the effects of equal energy events aren’t necessarily equal. Walter is a smartass’s smartass and does do his best to get a reaction, but in this case he is somewhat to mostly right.

Thanks… (I think?)

126 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:46:50pm

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_event

Asteroids with diameters of 5 to 10 m (16 to 33 ft) enter the Earth’s atmosphere approximately once per year, with as much energy as Little Boy, the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima, approximately 15 kilotons of TNT. These ordinarily explode in the upper atmosphere, and most or all of the solids are vaporized.

How many kilotons equivalent was this quake again?

re: #118 b_sharp

True, they can’t be directly compared because the exact effects on their surroundings are different. But in terms of energy released is what was being referenced.

127 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:52:20pm

re: #126 prononymous

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_event

How many kilotons equivalent was this quake again?

re: #118 b_sharp

True, they can’t be directly compared because the exact effects on their surroundings are different. But in terms of energy released is what was being referenced.

That paragraph you snipped in no way deals with IMPACT (does it). My comment was in regards to impact, as in a planetoid that has enough mass to actually make it to earth.

As far as that goes, tons and tons of space material makes it to our planet surface on a daily basic, mainly in form of microscopic space dust.

Are you going to next compare tons of space dust to an impact?

I was talking impact.

128 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:00:19pm

re: #127 Walter L. Newton

I realize this is quite snarky, but would you like to try and draw an equivalence between the Benld meteorite and what happened in Japan today? That was an impact.

129 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:07:52pm

re: #127 Walter L. Newton

re: #128 prononymous

Which of you is taking the part of the apple, and which the orange?

130 Ojoe  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:10:32pm

Nuclear has to be the least safe way to make electricity.

131 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:11:53pm

re: #130 Ojoe

Nuclear has to be the least safe way to make electricity.

Almost as unsafe as rubbing two cats together.

132 Ojoe  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:14:33pm

re: #131 b_sharp

Almost as unsafe as rubbing two cats together.

ROFLMAO

133 Bob Dillon  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:21:47pm

re: #130 Ojoe

Nuclear has to be the least safe way to make electricity.

Actually they make steam - the turbines that the steam drives produce the electricity.

134 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:36:00pm

re: #129 b_sharp

re: #128 prononymous

Which of you is taking the part of the apple, and which the orange?

I am the orange.

Walter is playing a game with the meaning of asteroid to cast the other poster’s saying as hyperbole. Even Walter’s wikipedia quote, which he failed to reference, indicates that the meaning of the term asteroid is not well defined within science. And I doubt Spocomptonite is an astronomer so Walter is arguing over the very rough popular understanding of the term as a way to disprove their statement. IMO, it is a fallacy of ambiguity and a bit of tricky sophistry.

135 Querent  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:17:34pm

re: #134 prononymous

but it’s all part of the day’s entertainment here at LGF, the “tough room”!

136 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:18:34pm

re: #115 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

True. Then we have the Russians, whose approach to nuclear power aboard submarines was “Okay, we take diesel sub, rip out engines, put reactor and turbines in their place, and send it to sea. Engineers will figure out how to operate it themselves.”

Works great, just ask the crew of K-19…be sure to carry a Geiger counter with you when you go.

USN had a few issues as well - not necessarily with the reactors themselves, but the supporting engineering plant. IIRC, the loss of the USS Thresher is essentially blamed on a piping failure/leak that caused the reactor to SCRAM, which led to an immediate power loss, unfortunately occurring during a deep dive. Combined with a design flaw in trying to blow ballast tanks under high pressure.

Happened in the mid-50s, and Rickover followed up with a much more stringent SUBSAFE program for building and running the nuclear sub force to avoid a repeat. (Though another nuclear sub, USS Scorpion, was lost about a decade later - but that’s not attributed to a engine-plant related failure.)

137 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:35:27pm

re: #135 Querent

but it’s all part of the day’s entertainment here at LGF, the “tough room”!

I’m definitely entertained.

138 Spocomptonite  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:17:10pm

re: #109 Walter L. Newton

In context? In context, a 8.9 point earthquake is NOTHING like an asteroid hit. Hyperbole. Get real.


Well duh, obviously the types of damage from a big-ass earthquake are going to be different from a big-ass space rock impact, but from an engineering standpoint, there comes a point where the forces involved in whatever disaster hits it are just too great to design for.

Can a structure be designed to withstand a 8.9 earthquake with lateral ground acceleration peaking between .5 and 1 G for several minutes, followed by a two-story wall of water sweeping inland at ~30-50 mph?
How about a structure designed to survive a relatively nearby asteroid impact and the subsequent shock wave?

Even with the best, most over-engineered design, a structure would have to be damn lucky in either scenario not to be damaged by forces that great.


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