Why Does the Right Hate Planned Parenthood?

It’s not just about abortion
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Gail Collins makes an important point about the right wing vendetta against Planned Parenthood, in her New York Times op-ed column: The War Behind the Abortion War.

For eons now, people have been wondering why the two sides can’t just join hands and agree to work together to reduce the number of abortions by expanding the availability of family-planning services and contraception.

The answer is that a large part of the anti-abortion community is also anti-contraception.

“The fact is that 95 percent of the contraceptives on the market kill the baby in the womb,” said Jim Sedlak of the American Life League.

“Fertility and babies are not diseases,” said Jeanne Monahan of the Family Research Council’s Center for Human Dignity, which has been fighting against requiring insurance plans to cover contraceptives under the new health care law.

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553 comments
1 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:06:44pm

It’s not about abortions, or contraceptives, it’s about legislating morality. It’s what’s it’s always been.

2 jaunte  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:08:34pm
Beyond the science, there’s the fact that many social conservatives are simply opposed to giving women the ability to have sex without the possibility of procreation.

“Contraception helps reduce one’s sexual partner to just a sexual object since it renders sexual intercourse to be without any real commitments,” says Janet Smith, the author of “Contraception: Why Not.”

The reason this never comes up in the debates about reproductive rights in Washington is that it has no popular appeal.


“The Lie-By-Omission behind the Abortion War.”

3 Lidane  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:08:41pm

These people have been freaking out since the introduction of The Pill. Suddenly, a woman had control over her fertility, and her body. She had a say in her sexuality.

For these anti-choice fanatics, that flies in the face of their God’s plan. Women are supposed to confine sex to marriage and they’re supposed to have as many babies as physically possible. The Pill gets in the way of that, so they have to come up with the most ignorant, outrageous bullshit to try and outlaw it.

4 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:11:46pm

re: #3 Lidane

These people have been freaking out since the introduction of The Pill. Suddenly, a woman had control over her fertility, and her body. She had a say in her sexuality.

For these anti-choice fanatics, that flies in the face of their God’s plan. Women are supposed to confine sex to marriage and they’re supposed to have as many babies as physically possible. The Pill gets in the way of that, so they have to come up with the most ignorant, outrageous bullshit to try and outlaw it.

Yep. It’s all about control. Once a woman can think and act for herself, they can’t dictate how she lives her life anymore. If keeping this control involves attacking the health of women in general to achieve it, they see it as a small price to pay to keep us in line.

5 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:14:57pm
Why Does the Right Hate Planned Parenthood?


Socialism!
Fiscal responsibility!
New World Order!
/None of the above

6 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:15:41pm

re: #3 Lidane

These people have been freaking out since the introduction of The Pill. Suddenly, a woman had control over her fertility, and her body. She had a say in her sexuality.

For these anti-choice fanatics, that flies in the face of their God’s plan. Women are supposed to confine sex to marriage and they’re supposed to have as many babies as physically possible. The Pill gets in the way of that, so they have to come up with the most ignorant, outrageous bullshit to try and outlaw it.

Absolutely. Not to mention the idea that sex for pleasure is evil and/or sex outside of marriage. Well, for women it’s evil. For men, it’s virile, you know.

PP is about family planning. What do they have against family planning? You can only have the family they want you to have?

7 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:16:26pm

re: #3 Lidane

These people have been freaking out since the introduction of The Pill. Suddenly, a woman had control over her fertility, and her body. She had a say in her sexuality.

For these anti-choice fanatics, that flies in the face of their God’s plan. Women are supposed to confine sex to marriage and they’re supposed to have as many babies as physically possible. The Pill gets in the way of that, so they have to come up with the most ignorant, outrageous bullshit to try and outlaw it.

Utterly foreign to me, and i’m a Christian!

Pill = no condom = joy. It’s science. Oh wait. So is evolution. Dammit.

8 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:16:30pm

Fuck ‘em.

9 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:17:47pm

I’m gonna largely stay out of this one. It’s not something I really understand or have strong feelings about.

10 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:18:10pm

re: #8 b_sharp

Fuck ‘em.

that’s it?…that’s all you got?
I know an original idea is impossible but you have to try harder than that

11 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:18:11pm

Easy, the Men don’t want the Women to have control over their bodies, or minds. They don’t think the “little women” have enough sense.
Keep the pregnant & home chained to the kitchen sink.

12 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:20:06pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

I’m gonna largely stay out of this one. It’s not something I really understand or have strong feelings about.

Don’t worry. I sure the women of LGF can more than pick up your slack on this.
/

13 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:20:37pm

You know, if a man had to carry a child for 9 months, this would be SUCH a different conversation.
Viagra for women?

14 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:21:18pm

re: #11 Floral Giraffe

Easy, the Men don’t want the Women to have control over their bodies, or minds. They don’t think the “little women” have enough sense.
Keep the pregnant & home chained to the kitchen sink.

See, that part makes sense to me, that stone-aged chauvinism that somehow survives to this day.

What’s never really made sense to me are the women who are out there picketing against abortion and contraception. I used to write some of them off as bitter old buzzards, but it seems so many of the major voices are now younger and younger.

15 Amory Blaine  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:21:45pm

Sometimes I wish we could split this country in two. I have nothing in common with these assholes. Never will.

16 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:23:50pm

re: #10 albusteve

that’s it?…that’s all you got?
I know an original idea is impossible but you have to try harder than that

OK.

Fuck you.

17 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:23:56pm

re: #11 Floral Giraffe

Easy, the Men don’t want the Women to have control over their bodies, or minds. They don’t think the “little women” have enough sense.
Keep the pregnant & home chained to the kitchen sink.

and it doesn’t even compute…not pregnant and not chained to the sink means more…erm…sexytime. so even when i think with all of the wrong body parts, i don’t reach the anti-contraception conclusion. i just don’t get that mindset.

18 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:24:15pm

re: #16 b_sharp

OK.

Fuck you.

not happy tonight?

19 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:24:49pm

re: #18 albusteve

not happy tonight?

Not even close.

20 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:25:09pm

re: #14 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

See, that part makes sense to me, that stone-aged chauvinism that somehow survives to this day.

What’s never really made sense to me are the women who are out there picketing against abortion and contraception. I used to write some of them off as bitter old buzzards, but it seems so many of the major voices are now younger and younger.

Those are the ones that hurt me the most. They finally have some measure of freedom won by those that came before, and yet they’ve been convinced to beg to have it taken away.

21 SpaceJesus  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:25:27pm

it’s spurred on by religious leaders.


fewer babies = fewer kids for them to molest

22 jaunte  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:25:35pm

re: #14 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Kathryn Jean Lopez of National Review (referring to PP as a ‘front for a culture of death”) and Michelle Malkin (“ruthless, money-grubbing… taxpayer-funded abortion racket..”) have been extremely shrill in opposition.

23 Lidane  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:25:45pm

re: #13 Floral Giraffe

You know, if a man had to carry a child for 9 months, this would be SUCH a different conversation.
Viagra for women?

Pfft. If men could get pregnant, emergency contraception and birth control pills would be sold over the counter. Hell, they’d be served in bars, like bowls of beer nuts.

24 Amory Blaine  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:27:50pm

re: #23 Lidane

Pfft. If men could get pregnant, emergency contraception and birth control pills would be sold over the counter. Hell, they’d be served in bars, like bowls of beer nuts.

Nahh it wouldn’t be so inconvenient like a pill. It would be a yearly shot. ;)

25 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:28:27pm

re: #24 Amory Blaine

Nahh it wouldn’t be so inconvenient like a pill. It would be a yearly shot. ;)

It’d be an over the counter pill, like aspirin!
LOL! Beer nuts!

26 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:29:48pm

re: #19 b_sharp

Not even close.

chin up mate….tomorrow is another day

27 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:30:04pm

What about the health issues concerning condoms? Pregnancy is the least of the worry.

28 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:30:23pm

They’re not anti-contraception.

they are against the idea that sex is supposed to fun and doing it as often as possible can be a good thing.

29 Amory Blaine  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:30:44pm

Hey sharp! Like the new avatar. Very Eastery. :P

30 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:30:50pm

re: #23 Lidane

Pfft. If men could get pregnant, emergency contraception and birth control pills would be sold over the counter. Hell, they’d be served in bars, like bowls of beer nuts.

If men could get pregnant, the human race would have perished after one generation.

31 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:30:59pm

re: #28 Conservative Moonbat

They’re not anti-contraception.

they are against the idea that sex is supposed to fun and doing it as often as possible can be a good thing.

to be fun

PIMF

32 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:31:51pm

re: #24 Amory Blaine

Nahh it wouldn’t be so inconvenient like a pill. It would be a yearly shot. ;)

well, there’s a 5-year implant. iud. whatever.

but i’m kind of killing the joke, aren’t i…sorry…

33 jaunte  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:31:52pm

re: #30 marjoriemoon

If men could get pregnant, the human race would have perished after one generation.

Heinlein did leave that out of his list.

34 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:32:06pm

re: #30 marjoriemoon

If men could get pregnant, the human race would have perished after one generation.

I hate men

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:32:17pm

It’s weird, though. There are lots and lots of people who are perfectly content to wade into this sort of thing, who don’t really, actually, want birth control to go away. They just want it to be socially complex, so they can use it as a football.

Michelle Malkin married in 1993, at the age of 23. She has two children. It’s possible that she’s a devout Quiverfull girl, and these are all the children she could conceive, but I am going to go out on a limb here and say that she almost certainly chose to have a small family. This is true of nearly all American pundits, and nearly all American women.

A whole lot of people bouncing around gleefully smearing the left for wanting to bring condoms into the schools or whatever, but almost none of these people actually want to not have birth control available to the general public, or at the least, the general public that is like them.

36 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:32:18pm

re: #27 marjoriemoon

What about the health issues concerning condoms? Pregnancy is the least of the worry.

Like I said above, if health of women (And men!) has to suffer to keep us in our place and, I suppose, to limit sex to marriage, then they feel it’s a worthy sacrifice.

37 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:32:24pm

re: #28 Conservative Moonbat

They’re not anti-contraception.

they are against the idea that sex is supposed to fun and doing it as often as possible can be a good thing.

Blasphemer!

38 Amory Blaine  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:33:39pm

re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s weird, though. There are lots and lots of people who are perfectly content to wade into this sort of thing, who don’t really, actually, want birth control to go away. They just want it to be socially complex, so they can use it as a football.

Michelle Malkin married in 1993, at the age of 23. She has two children. It’s possible that she’s a devout Quiverfull girl, and these are all the children she could conceive, but I am going to go out on a limb here and say that she almost certainly chose to have a small family. This is true of nearly all American pundits, and nearly all American women.

A whole lot of people bouncing around gleefully smearing the left for wanting to bring condoms into the schools or whatever, but almost none of these people actually want to not have birth control available to the general public, or at the least, the general public that is like them.

It’s an extension of the classic “I’ve got mine” attitude.

39 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:34:19pm

re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist


A whole lot of people bouncing around gleefully smearing the left for wanting to bring condoms into the schools or whatever, but almost none of these people actually want to not have birth control available to the general public, or at the least, the general public that is like them.

Well, i can speak to this. I’ll teach my kids about sex. I need the school to teach them calculus. I mean, it’s not like our national math scores are flying through the roof.

40 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:34:30pm

I’ve become convinced it is all about power. To achieve power, one must eliminate or nullify the competition.

How better than to keep most of the population poor, overworked, tired and prone to suggestion?

It worked for the Church and it has worked for tyrants.

Keep men AND women hostage to large families they can’t work hard enough to love and support and you have a recipe for power and corruption.

41 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:34:36pm

re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s weird, though. There are lots and lots of people who are perfectly content to wade into this sort of thing, who don’t really, actually, want birth control to go away. They just want it to be socially complex, so they can use it as a football.

Michelle Malkin married in 1993, at the age of 23. She has two children. It’s possible that she’s a devout Quiverfull girl, and these are all the children she could conceive, but I am going to go out on a limb here and say that she almost certainly chose to have a small family. This is true of nearly all American pundits, and nearly all American women.

A whole lot of people bouncing around gleefully smearing the left for wanting to bring condoms into the schools or whatever, but almost none of these people actually want to not have birth control available to the general public, or at the least, the general public that is like them.

That’s because they’re special and the rules don’t apply to them. Just to the rest of us lowly members of the general populace. Same thing happens when Mrs. Pro-Life’s 15 year old gets knocked up and ‘needs’ an abortion.

42 zora  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:34:36pm

re: #22 jaunte

from kathryn jean lopez

In part, it’s the poisoned fruit of the contraceptive pill. A cover feature in New York magazine recently observed: “The Pill is so ingrained in our culture today that girls go on it in college, even high school, and stay on it for five, ten, fifteen, even twenty years. It’s not at all out of the ordinary for a woman to be on the Pill from ages 18 to 35, her prime childbearing years. While it is remarkably safe, almost like taking a vitamin, that’s a long time to turn one’s body into an efficient little non-procreative machine.” That, of course, has had all kinds of fallout. It gives a false sense of freedom, of security. Even more important, it has ravaged women’s fertility, as it seeks to mute exactly what women’s reproductive power is all about.

nationalreview.com

somehow they have come to the conclusion that deciding if and when to reproduce makes women less womanly. go figure.

43 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:34:38pm

re: #33 jaunte

Heinlein did leave that out of his list.

I know!! LOL

What about the artists, hmm? I mean anyone can conn a ship, set a bone or build a wall! But can they draw a table of hungry lizards? NoooOoo they cannot.

44 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:35:01pm

It’s amazing these people haven’t made a cream to make sure sex hurts every time they want to procreate so they don’t slip up and enjoy it.

45 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:35:19pm

re: #36 Simply Sarah

Like I said above, if health of women (And men!) has to suffer to keep us in our place and, I suppose, to limit sex to marriage, then they feel it’s a worthy sacrifice.

wait, i’m confused now. why is limiting sex to marriage a poor choice?

46 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:35:24pm

re: #34 albusteve

I hate men

I don’t hate men! I just don’t think they could handle childbirth.

47 zora  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:35:31pm

re: #23 Lidane

and there really would be check-ups at walgreens.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:35:35pm

re: #39 Aceofwhat?

Well, i can speak to this. I’ll teach my kids about sex. I need the school to teach them calculus. I mean, it’s not like our national math scores are flying through the roof.

That’s fine, but you’re also not in a lather about Planned Parenthood.

49 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:35:40pm

re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s weird, though. There are lots and lots of people who are perfectly content to wade into this sort of thing, who don’t really, actually, want birth control to go away. They just want it to be socially complex, so they can use it as a football.

Michelle Malkin married in 1993, at the age of 23. She has two children. It’s possible that she’s a devout Quiverfull girl, and these are all the children she could conceive, but I am going to go out on a limb here and say that she almost certainly chose to have a small family. This is true of nearly all American pundits, and nearly all American women.

A whole lot of people bouncing around gleefully smearing the left for wanting to bring condoms into the schools or whatever, but almost none of these people actually want to not have birth control available to the general public, or at the least, the general public that is like them.

Yeah, it reminds me of the accounts I’ve read before, of “anti-abortion” women and teenage girls who have received abortions, but will still snarl that it’s “murder” and want to see it made illegal.

50 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:36:40pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s fine, but you’re also not in a lather about Planned Parenthood.

oh. sorry. i’ll move along…apparently, these aren’t the droids i’m looking for;)

51 Amory Blaine  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:36:40pm

re: #40 ggt

I’ve become convinced it is all about power. To achieve power, one must eliminate or nullify the competition.

How better than to keep most of the population poor, overworked, tired and prone to suggestion?

It worked for the Church and it has worked for tyrants.

Keep men AND women hostage to large families they can’t work hard enough to love and support and you have a recipe for power and corruption.

See, you’re supposed to be working 16 hrs a day. Not engaging in pleasurable activity. That is reserved for the privileged.

52 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:36:42pm

re: #45 Aceofwhat?

wait, i’m confused now. why is limiting sex to marriage a poor choice?

It’s a good idea, but, realistically, many people aren’t going to wait. If people are going to do it anyway, at least they should be taking whatever precautions they can.

53 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:36:54pm

re: #36 Simply Sarah

Like I said above, if health of women (And men!) has to suffer to keep us in our place and, I suppose, to limit sex to marriage, then they feel it’s a worthy sacrifice.

I can’t put this totally on the misogyny. It affects poor men as well as poor women.

It’s about controlling individiual rights—men and women.

54 jaunte  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:37:23pm

re: #42 zora

…as it (The Pill) seeks to mute exactly what women’s reproductive power is all about…


I see a logic problem here.

55 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:37:29pm
“Fertility and babies are not diseases,” said Jeanne Monahan of the Family Research Council’s Center for Human Dignity, which has been fighting against requiring insurance plans to cover contraceptives under the new health care law.

Erectile Dysfunction drugs/aids are covered by insurance. Contraceptives must also be covered. Must.

56 danhenry1  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:37:32pm

Is that the original gail. Collins out of Boston. She is one of the best.

57 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:37:33pm

re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist

LOL!
Yet, they use birth control in private!

58 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:38:20pm

re: #46 marjoriemoon

I don’t hate men! I just don’t think they could handle childbirth.

and you can’t handle watching football all day every season and the stress that goes with it….wimp

59 Amory Blaine  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:38:41pm

re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth

Erectile Dysfunction drugs/aids are covered by insurance. Contraceptives must also be covered. Must.

Nuh uh. Those greedy teacher unions failed.

60 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:38:48pm

re: #45 Aceofwhat?

wait, i’m confused now. why is limiting sex to marriage a poor choice?

because it limits individual freedom.

61 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:39:00pm

re: #53 ggt

I can’t put this totally on the misogyny. It affects poor men as well as poor women.

It’s about controlling individiual rights—men and women.

Yes, it does have some impact on men. However, I tend to feel that’s collateral damage because these kinds of people just don’t give a fuck, not because they’re focused on going after those males, too.

62 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:39:51pm

re: #49 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And, think about the days when abortion was illegal, and a woman went to a “coat hanger doctor” in a back alley. Yes, this was real, once upon a time. In OUR LAND, not so far away.

63 Lidane  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:39:55pm

re: #54 jaunte

I see a logic problem here.

Don’t you see? A woman’s reproductive power is that she can get pregnant and give birth. The idea that she should have any say in either of those things makes her less of a woman, not more of one. She’s denying her only function in life, which is to be a mother.

/K-Lo

64 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:40:26pm

re: #51 Amory Blaine

See, you’re supposed to be working 16 hrs a day. Not engaging in pleasurable activity. That is reserved for the privileged.

Ah, and if you have time to relax, you have time to THINK. You might realize you are getting screwed in more ways than physically.

Can’t have you getting wise to the rulers tactics … .they know better than you, trust them.

/

65 jaunte  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:40:38pm

re: #63 Lidane

I just hate it that The Pill is trying to take all that away!

/K-Lo

66 Gus  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:41:19pm

re: #65 jaunte

I just hate it that The Pill is trying to take all that away!

/K-Lo

K-Lo-Pectate

//

67 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:41:22pm

re: #45 Aceofwhat?

wait, i’m confused now. why is limiting sex to marriage a poor choice?

Not everyone can legally be married, for one thing.

68 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:41:33pm

re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth

Erectile Dysfunction drugs/aids are covered by insurance. Contraceptives must also be covered. Must.

Like I say, women are sluts, men are macho.

Not sure how that really works, but how many commercials do we see for women libido enhancement?

provestra.com

69 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:41:41pm

Religious question:
When is the zygote/blastocyst/fetus invested with a soul?

Secular question:
At what point does it become human?

Is a zygote human if fertilization occurs outside the human body? (Is DNA enough to define a human?[The answer is no])

If not, does it become human once implanted in a uterus?

What makes a human different than other animals and when during ontogeny does this difference occur?

70 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:41:53pm

re: #62 Floral Giraffe

And, think about the days when abortion was illegal, and a woman went to a “coat hanger doctor” in a back alley. Yes, this was real, once upon a time. In OUR LAND, not so far away.

That was the avenue of the truly poor and destitute. The rich, why they just the little darling to their private doctor, who’d take care of things quiet like. And the middle class folks, well they shipped her off to family out of town or to a convent for 9 months, had her give up the kid, then brought her back as though nothing had happened.

71 Lidane  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:42:26pm

re: #45 Aceofwhat?

wait, i’m confused now. why is limiting sex to marriage a poor choice?

Because people should be able to have an enjoyable, fun sex life in and out of marriage. That’s why.

For these fanatics, sex is only confined to marriage because sex only has one purpose— breeding. It’s not supposed to be fun, or playful, or kinky, or even enjoyable for both partners. She’s just supposed to lie there, open her legs, take it, and give birth nine months later. Rinse and repeat.

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:42:38pm

re: #42 zora

from kathryn jean lopez

In part, it’s the poisoned fruit of the contraceptive pill. A cover feature in New York magazine recently observed: “The Pill is so ingrained in our culture today that girls go on it in college, even high school, and stay on it for five, ten, fifteen, even twenty years. It’s not at all out of the ordinary for a woman to be on the Pill from ages 18 to 35, her prime childbearing years. While it is remarkably safe, almost like taking a vitamin, that’s a long time to turn one’s body into an efficient little non-procreative machine.” That, of course, has had all kinds of fallout. It gives a false sense of freedom, of security. Even more important, it has ravaged women’s fertility, as it seeks to mute exactly what women’s reproductive power is all about.

[Link: www.nationalreview.com…]

somehow they have come to the conclusion that deciding if and when to reproduce makes women less womanly. go figure.

I’m going to briefly get personal here:

Fuck you Kathryn. I am doing my level best to get my financial act together so that I can afford to have a family, and until then I’m gonna be on the pill. I am doing this, beeyotch, because I’m sure the arrogant pretentious likes of you would be terribly upset if I expected the taxpayers to pay for raising the kids I had because, as your pal Rush phrased it, “I couldn’t keep my legs together”.

By the way, honeybunch, you’re a scant three years younger than I am. Aren’t your best childbearing years running out? When are you planning to find a hubby and experience your reproductive powers? Or are you too busy telling other women what to do with their bodies?

Fuck you, lady,.

(We will now return me to my normal relaxed self.)

73 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:42:42pm

re: #61 Simply Sarah

Yes, it does have some impact on men. However, I tend to feel that’s collateral damage because these kinds of people just don’t give a fuck, not because they’re focused on going after those males, too.

They are interested in controlling both. Boys become men.

They want power. Controlling birth is the fastest path to it. If men could have children, they’d be going after men and women would be collateral.

74 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:42:45pm

re: #29 Amory Blaine

Hey sharp! Like the new avatar. Very Eastery. :P

The teeth need more blood.

75 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:43:05pm

re: #52 Simply Sarah

It’s a good idea, but, realistically, many people aren’t going to wait. If people are going to do it anyway, at least they should be taking whatever precautions they can.

oh, sure.

i’m just trying to keep the subject out of conversation in my house, because i’m a big wimp and although a vasectomy makes more sense at this point than another IUD for her…it’s just…a needle and…my wedding tackle…yeah. i’m a coward.

76 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:43:54pm

re: #60 ggt

because it limits individual freedom.

bullshit. fidelity is not the severance of freedom.

77 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:44:01pm

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

you rock!

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:44:26pm

re: #50 Aceofwhat?

oh. sorry. i’ll move along…apparently, these aren’t the droids i’m looking for;)

Nah, it’s a good point to make. I’m not specifically defending any one approach to birth control or sex ed, but I find that most punditty types who get terribly upset about this sort of thing don’t much care about reality.

79 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:44:28pm

re: #68 marjoriemoon

Like I say, women are sluts, men are macho.

Not sure how that really works, but how many commercials do we see for women libido enhancement?

[Link: www.provestra.com…]

People may giggle, but it’s a real issue during the pre-menopausal - post-menopausal years, some starting in the mid to late 40s.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:45:06pm

re: #53 ggt

I can’t put this totally on the misogyny. It affects poor men as well as poor women.

It’s about controlling individiual rights—men and women.

It’s about having a shorthand for talking about morality without actually having morality per se.

81 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:45:12pm

re: #60 ggt

because it limits individual freedom.

also, chastity is not the severance of freedom.

82 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:45:12pm

re: #46 marjoriemoon

I don’t hate men! I just don’t think they could handle childbirth.

Our hips aren’t built for it.

83 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:45:41pm

re: #71 Lidane

Because people should be able to have an enjoyable, fun sex life in and out of marriage. That’s why.

For these fanatics, sex is only confined to marriage because sex only has one purpose— breeding. It’s not supposed to be fun, or playful, or kinky, or even enjoyable for both partners. She’s just supposed to lie there, open her legs, take it, and give birth nine months later. Rinse and repeat.

Right… except many of those guys get caught with female or male prostitutes. So…

84 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:45:46pm

re: #76 Aceofwhat?

bullshit. fidelity is not the severance of freedom.

One can be faithful and not be married.

Not all monogamous relationships work.

Sometimes (IMHO especially women) need to get to know their bodies before committing to a life-long relationship which could be a sexual disaster.

85 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:45:53pm

re: #82 b_sharp

Our hips aren’t built for it.

I think you’d have bigger issues than your hips if you were trying to have a kid…

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:46:04pm

re: #60 ggt

because it limits individual freedom.

Limiting sex to marriage doesn’t limit individual freedom, but HAVING to limit sex to marriage limits individual freedom.

87 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:46:16pm

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

Ooo you tell her, girl!

88 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:46:29pm

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

Nah, it’s a good point to make. I’m not specifically defending any one approach to birth control or sex ed, but I find that most punditty types who get terribly upset about this sort of thing don’t much care about reality.

nor about minding their own fucking business….we have these social quandries because people won’t mind their own life and stay out of others

89 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:46:37pm

re: #81 Aceofwhat?

also, chastity is not the severance of freedom.

Is an individual choice, not up to the government to dictate.

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:46:41pm

re: #63 Lidane

Don’t you see? A woman’s reproductive power is that she can get pregnant and give birth. The idea that she should have any say in either of those things makes her less of a woman, not more of one. She’s denying her only function in life, which is to be a mother.

/K-Lo

Only a man can knock up a woman, so why don’t we talk about the awesome reproductive power of men for a bit?

91 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:46:46pm

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

Fantastic. Just…fantastic!

92 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:46:51pm

re: #82 b_sharp

Our hips aren’t built for it.

Then keep your legs together!

93 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:46:54pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

Limiting sex to marriage doesn’t limit individual freedom, but HAVING to limit sex to marriage limits individual freedom.

Yeah, it’s the difference between voluntary and involuntary.

94 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:47:29pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

Only a man can knock up a woman, so why don’t we talk about the awesome reproductive power of men for a bit?

VIAGRA?
///

95 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:48:11pm

re: #92 Floral Giraffe

Then keep your legs together!

I do.

96 Lidane  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:48:15pm

re: #83 marjoriemoon

Right… except many of those guys get caught with female or male prostitutes. So…

It’s the same as with any other morality police. It’s just like the preachers who get caught in gay sex scandals, or the self-righteous politician who gets caught hiking the Appalachian Trail. Morality is for everyone else, not them.

97 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:48:57pm

re: #96 Lidane

Moralitly is something, that I know, when I see it?
LOL!

98 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:49:19pm

re: #42 zora

Apologies for the vulgarity that follows, but that bitch can go fuck herself.

I once had a girlfriend who had irregular hormone problems. She could end up having two or more menstrual cycles in one month, or none at all for two to three months.

And when she was on her period? The poor gal was the living embodiment of every single “on the rag” stereotype you’ve ever heard of. It made her miserable.

She started taking ‘The Pill’ (Duhn duhn duhn!!!) to help regulate her hormones, and after three months on ‘The Pill’ (Duhn duhn duhn!!!) she was right as rain.

So yeah, that bitch can go fuck herself.

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:49:20pm

re: #75 Aceofwhat?

oh, sure.

i’m just trying to keep the subject out of conversation in my house, because i’m a big wimp and although a vasectomy makes more sense at this point than another IUD for her…it’s just…a needle and…my wedding tackle…yeah. i’m a coward.

I am having a sudden vivid image of a party some years ago, when a friend’s husband, newly vasectomized, had his oldest son land feet-first on Daddy’s lap.

In one of the only moments I ever really admired him, he did not scream and drop-kick the toddler. There was a sort of stifled shriek, though.

100 Lidane  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:49:47pm

re: #97 Floral Giraffe

Moralitly is something, that I know, when I see it?
LOL!

Nah. It’s like bootstraps and personal responsibility — you legislate them for everyone else, but put loopholes in that exempt you and yours.

101 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:50:02pm

So, I’m trying to figure out what’s the next step in the hit parade. After abortion and contraceptives, what next? Ending no-fault divorce? A federal law against adultery? Banning dresses above a certain length, so as not to tempt the menfolk?

102 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:50:18pm

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

You do have some great stories!
Bless that man!

103 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:50:33pm

re: #71 Lidane

Because people should be able to have an enjoyable, fun sex life in and out of marriage. That’s why.

For these fanatics, sex is only confined to marriage because sex only has one purpose— breeding. It’s not supposed to be fun, or playful, or kinky, or even enjoyable for both partners. She’s just supposed to lie there, open her legs, take it, and give birth nine months later. Rinse and repeat.

No. For many people, including me, promiscuity is a temptation but not an indulgence. Isn’t it a respectful attitude to NOT attempt to screw as many women as possible?

I have a sudden feeling that some folks don’t exactly know what they’re bashing here. Anti-contraception is just crazy; sometimes it’s religious in nature, but I personally believe that opposition to contraception is a poor ethical and social choice.

On the other hand, a little chastity would do our and many other nations a lot of good. That belief has nothing to do with misogyny or control, in many cases, and it seems both lazy and counterproductive to malign the avoidance of promiscuity as a somehow tool of oppression.

Let us support each others’ freedoms, and cheer each others’ virtues. They are not mutually exclusive activities.

104 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:50:42pm

re: #33 jaunte

Heinlein did leave that out of his list.

OY! Do I deserve that or what for bringing that quote up!

105 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:50:47pm

re: #101 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So, I’m trying to figure out what’s the next step in the hit parade. After abortion and contraceptives, what next? Ending no-fault divorce? A federal law against adultery? Banning dresses above a certain length, so as not to tempt the menfolk?

Show me your knees!

106 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:50:56pm

re: #79 marjoriemoon

People may giggle, but it’s a real issue during the pre-menopausal - post-menopausal years, some starting in the mid to late 40s.

I was watching a show where two women who make some sort of goop for female libido boosting were talking about how they were told they couldn’t run their ads, even on stations that ran ads for all the erectile dysfunction drugs.

107 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:51:08pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

Limiting sex to marriage doesn’t limit individual freedom, but HAVING to limit sex to marriage limits individual freedom.

THANK you

108 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:51:10pm

re: #101 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So, I’m trying to figure out what’s the next step in the hit parade. After abortion and contraceptives, what next? Ending no-fault divorce? A federal law against adultery? Banning dresses above a certain length, so as not to tempt the menfolk?

I’m pretty sure the first two are already on their list. I’m sure the last would be too, if they had some free time to kill.

109 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:51:37pm

re: #103 Aceofwhat?

No. For many people, including me, promiscuity is a temptation but not an indulgence. Isn’t it a respectful attitude to NOT attempt to screw as many women as possible?

I have a sudden feeling that some folks don’t exactly know what they’re bashing here. Anti-contraception is just crazy; sometimes it’s religious in nature, but I personally believe that opposition to contraception is a poor ethical and social choice.

On the other hand, a little chastity would do our and many other nations a lot of good. That belief has nothing to do with misogyny or control, in many cases, and it seems both lazy and counterproductive to malign the avoidance of promiscuity as a somehow tool of oppression.

Let us support each others’ freedoms, and cheer each others’ virtues. They are not mutually exclusive activities.

I’ll drink to that.

110 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:51:42pm

re: #103 Aceofwhat?

Our virtues can combine & support each other.
We just seem to prefer our vices.

111 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:51:44pm

Night all!

112 Lidane  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:52:12pm

re: #101 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ending no-fault divorce?

They’re already working on that.

A federal law against adultery? Banning dresses above a certain length, so as not to tempt the menfolk?

Give them time. They’ll get there.

113 jaunte  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:52:24pm

re: #103 Aceofwhat?

Chastity is a respectable virtue that’s been abused by the people who talk about it the most, not as a goal for themselves, but as a cover for trying to control what other people do.

114 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:52:39pm

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

I am having a sudden vivid image of a party some years ago, when a friend’s husband, newly vasectomized, had his oldest son land feet-first on Daddy’s lap.

In one of the only moments I ever really admired him, he did not scream and drop-kick the toddler. There was a sort of stifled shriek, though.

I think the world of you. But you’re not helping/

115 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:52:59pm

re: #101 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So, I’m trying to figure out what’s the next step in the hit parade. After abortion and contraceptives, what next? Ending no-fault divorce? A federal law against adultery? Banning dresses above a certain length, so as not to tempt the menfolk?

Mutaween

116 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:53:06pm

re: #112 Lidane

They’re already working on that.

Give them time. They’ll get there.

‘scuse me a sec, I feel the sudden urge to beat my head against a wall for a few minutes.

117 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:53:28pm

re: #103 Aceofwhat?

No. For many people, including me, promiscuity is a temptation but not an indulgence. Isn’t it a respectful attitude to NOT attempt to screw as many women as possible?

I have a sudden feeling that some folks don’t exactly know what they’re bashing here. Anti-contraception is just crazy; sometimes it’s religious in nature, but I personally believe that opposition to contraception is a poor ethical and social choice.

On the other hand, a little chastity would do our and many other nations a lot of good. That belief has nothing to do with misogyny or control, in many cases, and it seems both lazy and counterproductive to malign the avoidance of promiscuity as a somehow tool of oppression.

Let us support each others’ freedoms, and cheer each others’ virtues. They are not mutually exclusive activities.

See, I find that there’s a different between going around and fucking everyone you meet and simply being someone that’s sexually active. If I meet a nice guy or girl and get to know him/her, I should have the right to sleep with them if I want to, marriage or not.

118 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:54:10pm

re: #69 b_sharp

Religious question:
When is the zygote/blastocyst/fetus invested with a soul?

Secular question:
At what point does it become human?

Is a zygote human if fertilization occurs outside the human body? (Is DNA enough to define a human?[The answer is no])

If not, does it become human once implanted in a uterus?

What makes a human different than other animals and when during ontogeny does this difference occur?

Honestly, The burst of neurodevelopment during which self-sentience emerges does not happen until after a child’s second birthday so really if abortion is going to be legal, euthanasia should be legal up until about 2 years of age. Just to be consistent, that’s the position I take when this argument comes up. Realistically I could never kill a 2 year old. Ethically, euthenizing a newborn with severe deformities and euthenizing a fetus in the 3rd trimester shouldn’t be seen any differently, regardless of which side you’re on.

Birth is a silly point at which to mark the change from tissue to human because neurodevlopment slows down drastically for the last month or so of pregnancy to keep the kid’s head from getting to big to sqish out the mother’s vagina. Development of the brain doesn’t pick back up again until a couple months later so there’s 3-4 months surround birth when the kid is kinda in neutral, preparing for and recovering from birth.

119 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:54:40pm

re: #103 Aceofwhat?

No. For many people, including me, promiscuity is a temptation but not an indulgence. Isn’t it a respectful attitude to NOT attempt to screw as many women as possible?

I have a sudden feeling that some folks don’t exactly know what they’re bashing here. Anti-contraception is just crazy; sometimes it’s religious in nature, but I personally believe that opposition to contraception is a poor ethical and social choice.

On the other hand, a little chastity would do our and many other nations a lot of good. That belief has nothing to do with misogyny or control, in many cases, and it seems both lazy and counterproductive to malign the avoidance of promiscuity as a somehow tool of oppression.

Let us support each others’ freedoms, and cheer each others’ virtues. They are not mutually exclusive activities.

It’s hard for women (well the VAST majority) to not get cranky about this because it’s really an attack on our gender. It’s not about choice as much as control, is the point you’re hearing.

Steve said what I was thinking, also. It’s noneya business what I do.

120 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:55:02pm

re: #113 jaunte

Chastity is a respectable virtue that’s been abused by the people who talk about it the most, not as a goal for themselves, but as a cover for trying to control what other people do.

I understand. Chastity cannot be enforced; it can only be supported. I am pleading that we stand against the enforcement, but with clarity, so that we do not lapse into standing against the virtue.

121 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:56:24pm

re: #98 Slumbering Behemoth

Cut Lopez a little slack. She may be wrong on this point, but she’s not an evil or controlling person. Just go after the point, not the person.

(back to lurking)

122 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:56:31pm

I’m not sure the attack on PP is an attempt at control as much as it is a mistaken idea of when and why that pile of cells becomes a human.

That said, both the control and erroneous understanding come from the same place.

123 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:57:00pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Mutaween

And they’re real jackasses too. I’ve heard lots of stories about them from Saudis. They’re pretty much universally despised (and feared).

124 Lidane  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:57:08pm

re: #103 Aceofwhat?

No. For many people, including me, promiscuity is a temptation but not an indulgence. Isn’t it a respectful attitude to NOT attempt to screw as many women as possible?

I think we’re running at cross purposes here. I’m not talking about going out and nailing everything that walks. I’m talking about people having a fun and enjoyable sex life whether or not they’re married to the person they’re sleeping with.

For these anti-choice fanatics, women aren’t supposed to have any of those things. Sex isn’t for fun. It’s for breeding. And they’re only supposed to have sex in marriage, not outside of it. Outlawing birth control is a step in that direction.

125 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:57:22pm

re: #117 Simply Sarah

See, I find that there’s a different between going around and fucking everyone you meet and simply being someone that’s sexually active. If I meet a nice guy or girl and get to know him/her, I should have the right to sleep with them if I want to, marriage or not.

Yes you should. And when someone says ‘i worked hard to limit my sexual partners because i found that to be a worthy goal’, we should be happy for them.

126 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:57:50pm

right, wrong or otherwise, Roe vs Wade was determined based on the 14th Amendment….as far as I’m concerned this runaway blitz against abortion rights is unConstitutional and why the hell the Supremes do not step in and bust all this mickey mouse state stuff and fucking protect the rights they rule women have….change the rules that apply to bringing this stuff before the court….this is inexcusable and unnecessary…slam the door shut

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:57:52pm

re: #103 Aceofwhat?


I have a sudden feeling that some folks don’t exactly know what they’re bashing here. Anti-contraception is just crazy; sometimes it’s religious in nature, but I personally believe that opposition to contraception is a poor ethical and social choice.

On the other hand, a little chastity would do our and many other nations a lot of good. That belief has nothing to do with misogyny or control, in many cases, and it seems both lazy and counterproductive to malign the avoidance of promiscuity as a somehow tool of oppression.

I’m in favor of chastity. I’m seriously opposed to people who think they can produce it by shaming or lying or taking away options.

And I’m seriously opposed to women who make careers twittering away about how the sexual revolution was so bad for other women, who aren’t as bright as they are.

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:58:20pm

re: #104 wlewisiii

OY! Do I deserve that or what for bringing that quote up!

Hey, he mentioned changing a diaper, which was pretty damn hip and progressive for his generation.

129 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:58:48pm

re: #125 Aceofwhat?

Yes you should. And when someone says ‘i worked hard to limit my sexual partners because i found that to be a worthy goal’, we should be happy for them.

Sure. If you want to keep yourself for a single sexual partner, that’s your own business. Not my place to judge what works for you. The issue is when other people start telling me how to live my sex life.

130 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:59:21pm

re: #126 albusteve

right, wrong or otherwise, Roe vs Wade was determined based on the 14th Amendment…as far as I’m concerned this runaway blitz against abortion rights is unConstitutional and why the hell the Supremes do not step in and bust all this mickey mouse state stuff and fucking protect the rights they rule women have…change the rules that apply to bringing this stuff before the court…this is inexcusable and unnecessary…slam the door shut

My guess is that people in the states with such draconian laws have been unsuccessful in finding a woman who would willingly subject herself to the legal circus necessary to see these laws come before the Supremes, let alone knocked down.

131 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:59:30pm

re: #123 CuriousLurker

And they’re real jackasses too. I’ve heard lots of stories about them from Saudis. They’re pretty much universally despised (and feared).

I first became aware of them in 2002….
Perhaps the most serious and widely criticized incident attributed to

them occurred on March 11, 2002, when they prevented schoolgirls from escaping a burning school in Mecca, because the girls were not wearing headscarves and abayas (black robes), and not accompanied by a male guardian. Fifteen girls died and 50 were injured as a result. Widespread public criticism followed, both internationally and within Saudi Arabia.[11]


That’s some seriously fucked up shit.

132 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 8:59:55pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

I was watching a show where two women who make some sort of goop for female libido boosting were talking about how they were told they couldn’t run their ads, even on stations that ran ads for all the erectile dysfunction drugs.

I’m not surprised.

I imagine that these kinds of men, and they’re mostly men, who are against family planning clinics don’t really care if their wives are interested or not in sex. Her interest is not going to stop him anyway. They don’t think that sex is something to be enjoyed by women in the first place so why bother with their interest. Well, that’s the message I get.

133 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:00:48pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

That’s some seriously fucked up shit.

QFT

134 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:01:21pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

I first became aware of them in 2002…
Perhaps the most serious and widely criticized incident attributed to


That’s some seriously fucked up shit.

Ugh. I remember that. I still can’t wrap my head around it, but I remember it.

135 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:01:41pm

re: #68 marjoriemoon

Heh. Since I dropped out of high I missed the whole college “greek” experience, and was completely ignorant of the whole “walk of shame” concept. So when a co-worker of mine mentioned it, I asked what it meant.

When she told me, I believe I said something like “What a bunch of bullshit. You shouldn’t hang your head in shame, you should hold it high in pride, and if anyone says different just tell ‘em ‘Fuck you, I got laid last night, what did you do?’”.

136 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:02:12pm

re: #130 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

My guess is that people in the states with such draconian laws have been unsuccessful in finding a woman who would willingly subject herself to the legal circus necessary to see these laws come before the Supremes, let alone knocked down.

I suggested changing the rules

137 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:02:16pm

re: #123 CuriousLurker

And they’re real jackasses too. I’ve heard lots of stories about them from Saudis. They’re pretty much universally despised (and feared).

Maureen Dowd (I think) wrote about an encounter with them. They were not happy about her skirt length. She was going to blow them off when she realized that her translator was very, very nervous. I believe they agreed that if she went into a store (they were at a mall) and bought an abaya to wear out, that would be OK.

138 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:02:37pm

re: #124 Lidane

I think we’re running at cross purposes here. I’m not talking about going out and nailing everything that walks. I’m talking about people having a fun and enjoyable sex life whether or not they’re married to the person they’re sleeping with.

For these anti-choice fanatics, women aren’t supposed to have any of those things. Sex isn’t for fun. It’s for breeding. And they’re only supposed to have sex in marriage, not outside of it. Outlawing birth control is a step in that direction.

ok. i thought through what you wrote, because i don’t disagree, and i think it’s my perception (accurate or not…you tell me) that an anti-contraceptive fanatic doesn’t relax their stance based on marital status. no contraceptive soup for you, even if you’re married.

so i wanted to respectfully object to the suggestion that those who applaud a chaste ambition are the same as those who wish to deny contraceptives to the married and the unmarried alike. if the anti-contraceptive crowd just wanted to force ‘sex in marriage only’, they’d work to deny contraceptives to the non-married.

or maybe i’m batty. that’s always a possibility…

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:03:54pm

re: #132 marjoriemoon

I’m not surprised.

I imagine that these kinds of men, and they’re mostly men, who are against family planning clinics don’t really care if their wives are interested or not in sex. Her interest is not going to stop him anyway. They don’t think that sex is something to be enjoyed by women in the first place so why bother with their interest. Well, that’s the message I get.

You know, I just don’t know about that, either. My take on these folks, for the most part, is that they probably have fairly regular sex lives—they just seem to think that everyone else’s is raging out of control.

140 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:03:55pm

re: #120 Aceofwhat?

I understand. Chastity cannot be enforced; it can only be supported. I am pleading that we stand against the enforcement, but with clarity, so that we do not lapse into standing against the virtue.

Well if that works for you than I say, Amen brother! Go for it.

Personally, I’d like to have a few test runs before I sign the contract, ya know?

141 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:04:23pm

re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist

Maureen Dowd (I think) wrote about an encounter with them. They were not happy about her skirt length. She was going to blow them off when she realized that her translator was very, very nervous. I believe they agreed that if she went into a store (they were at a mall) and bought an abaya to wear out, that would be OK.

Yes, I vaguely remember her writing about a trip to SA. Every Saudi I’ve ever spoken to hates them.

142 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:04:42pm

I’m outta here.

143 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:05:04pm

re: #138 Aceofwhat?

ok. i thought through what you wrote, because i don’t disagree, and i think it’s my perception (accurate or not…you tell me) that an anti-contraceptive fanatic doesn’t relax their stance based on marital status. no contraceptive soup for you, even if you’re married.

so i wanted to respectfully object to the suggestion that those who applaud a chaste ambition are the same as those who wish to deny contraceptives to the married and the unmarried alike. if the anti-contraceptive crowd just wanted to force ‘sex in marriage only’, they’d work to deny contraceptives to the non-married.

or maybe i’m batty. that’s always a possibility…

Well, a lot of it is a knee jerk response from many women (And men) to hearing the term “chastity”, since it has been and is often used by said fanatics. We go on alert and are probably prone to jump at shadows a bit.

144 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:05:06pm

re: #136 albusteve

I suggested changing the rules

Honestly think that’s something that’s going to take time. The current socon orgy is already in the process of crashing and burning, as voters realize that what they got is definitely not what they bought. My hope is that, after next year’s elections and the ones after that, the socon crowd will be politically crippled, if not wiped out, and such laws can go the way of the dodo.

145 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:05:28pm

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

Cut Lopez a little slack. She may be wrong on this point, but she’s not an evil or controlling person. Just go after the point, not the person.

(back to lurking)

Well, that would be the mature thing to do, but I’m not feeling very mature right now.
/though my joints like to tell me otherwise.

146 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:05:38pm

re: #132 marjoriemoon

Yes, there are lots of women who get the same message.
I’m one of them.

147 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:06:11pm

re: #129 Simply Sarah

Sure. If you want to keep yourself for a single sexual partner, that’s your own business. Not my place to judge what works for you. The issue is when other people start telling me how to live my sex life.

Sure. but i asked why limiting sex to marriage was a poor choice.

Of course it’s poor if it’s enforced. But that wasn’t what i was asking.

148 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:06:50pm

Sex is good.
Between consenting adults.
I think we can agree on that.

149 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:06:58pm

re: #144 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Honestly think that’s something that’s going to take time. The current socon orgy is already in the process of crashing and burning, as voters realize that what they got is definitely not what they bought. My hope is that, after next year’s elections and the ones after that, the socon crowd will be politically crippled, if not wiped out, and such laws can go the way of the dodo.

whatever, you seem to miss my point that I believe the SC has an obligation to step in…the rest I understand

150 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:07:09pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

I was actually thinking of using that incident against the Wahabi I know here. However, I’ll just keep learning so I can fight on theological grounds.

I’m the kind of person that would act like Desmond from Fallout 3 to religious fanatics.

151 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:07:11pm

re: #140 marjoriemoon

Well if that works for you than I say, Amen brother! Go for it.

Personally, I’d like to have a few test runs before I sign the contract, ya know?

if that works for you, sister, i say go for it!

152 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:07:12pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey, he mentioned changing a diaper, which was pretty damn hip and progressive for his generation.

Heh. I’ve changed a few so I never think of that as any big thing. A pain in the ass? Yeah. Something every parent has to deal with? Yeah.

I would have never given his ass the time of day if he hadn’t included changing a diaper, but then I’m just a crazy socialist stay at home dad :D

153 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:07:32pm

re: #147 Aceofwhat?

Sure. but i asked why limiting sex to marriage was a poor choice.

Of course it’s poor if it’s enforced. But that wasn’t what i was asking.

If it’s a choice made freely by the person, it’s not a poor choice. My issue is when attempts are made to take the choice away.

154 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:07:45pm

re: #135 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. Since I dropped out of high I missed the whole college “greek” experience, and was completely ignorant of the whole “walk of shame” concept. So when a co-worker of mine mentioned it, I asked what it meant.

When she told me, I believe I said something like “What a bunch of bullshit. You shouldn’t hang your head in shame, you should hold it high in pride, and if anyone says different just tell ‘em ‘Fuck you, I got laid last night, what did you do?’”.

I went to college and had zero crossover with the greek population and still don’t really know what it is. Don’t care either.

155 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:08:20pm

re: #143 Simply Sarah

Well, a lot of it is a knee jerk response from many women (And men) to hearing the term “chastity”, since it has been and is often used by said fanatics. We go on alert and are probably prone to jump at shadows a bit.

very sensible. good stuff.

156 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:08:48pm

re: #149 albusteve

whatever, you seem to miss my point that I believe the SC has an obligation to step in…the rest I understand

SCOTUS can’t simply set in and arbitrarily invalidate laws, and I’ve not seen any of these laws or others like them yet brought up for consideration and turned away. I’d figure something like that would be big press.

157 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:09:00pm

re: #141 CuriousLurker

I will have a hard time ever going to Saudi Arabia, looking at those stories. I tend to be a bit…blunt with people. My response in a situation like that might be less than helpful.

158 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:09:00pm

re: #154 Conservative Moonbat

I went to college and had zero crossover with the greek population and still don’t really know what it is. Don’t care either.

I used to live in a college dorm that had a terribly cranky fire alarm. The bad part was that every couple of weeks, through a Massachusetts winter, the alarm would go off in the dead of night.

The fun part was seeing who ran out of whose room.

159 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:09:06pm

re: #153 Simply Sarah

If it’s a choice made freely by the person, it’s not a poor choice. My issue is when attempts are made to take the choice away.

i have the exact same issue. i apologize if i set us at cross-purposes…

160 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:10:30pm

re: #157 ProLifeLiberal

I will have a hard time ever going to Saudi Arabia, looking at those stories. I tend to be a bit…blunt with people. My response in a situation like that might be less than helpful.

Same here, heh.

161 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:10:39pm

re: #159 Aceofwhat?

i have the exact same issue. i apologize if i set us at cross-purposes…

Heh, it’s OK and no worries! Sometimes wires get crossed and points are taken wrong, especially when topics are emotional and important to the participants. I’m just glad to clear things up.

162 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:10:52pm

re: #156 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

SCOTUS can’t simply set in and arbitrarily invalidate laws, and I’ve not seen any of these laws or others like them yet brought up for consideration and turned away. I’d figure something like that would be big press.

yup. you have to bring the case before they can rule on it.

163 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:10:53pm

re: #156 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

SCOTUS can’t simply set in and arbitrarily invalidate laws, and I’ve not seen any of these laws or others like them yet brought up for consideration and turned away. I’d figure something like that would be big press.

I suggested changing the rules that apply to bringing legislation before the court….hello?

164 Lidane  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:11:04pm

re: #138 Aceofwhat?

ok. i thought through what you wrote, because i don’t disagree, and i think it’s my perception (accurate or not…you tell me) that an anti-contraceptive fanatic doesn’t relax their stance based on marital status. no contraceptive soup for you, even if you’re married.

Their stance is the Catholic one writ large — contraception removes the possibility of procreation from sex. Ergo, even for married couples, it’s a bad thing. You’re interfering with God’s plan.

AFAIK, they don’t relax their stance just because you’re married. They don’t care. No birth control for anyone. The unmarried women who use The Pill are just sluts that shouldn’t open their legs until they’re married, and the married women who use it are selfish bitches who care more about sex for pleasure than about breeding.

so i wanted to respectfully object to the suggestion that those who applaud a chaste ambition are the same as those who wish to deny contraceptives to the married and the unmarried alike. if the anti-contraceptive crowd just wanted to force ‘sex in marriage only’, they’d work to deny contraceptives to the non-married.

or maybe i’m batty. that’s always a possibility…

There’s nothing wrong with pushing monogamy or stable relationships, or encouraging people to be celibate between relationships, or whatever. My problem lies with these anti-birth control fanatics and the fact that they want to get rid of something that gives women some control over their bodies and their fertility.

165 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:11:47pm

re: #160 CuriousLurker

My response would probably be along the lines of “go take your ignorance, and go shove somewhere.”

166 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:12:12pm

re: #164 Lidane


There’s nothing wrong with pushing monogamy or stable relationships, or encouraging people to be celibate between relationships, or whatever. My problem lies with these anti-birth control fanatics and the fact that they want to get rid of something that gives women some control over their bodies and their fertility.

yeah, i have a big problem with that too. right there with you.

167 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:12:39pm

re: #163 albusteve

I suggested changing the rules that apply to bringing legislation before the court…hello?

Okay, now I’m afraid you’ve lost me.

168 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:13:00pm

re: #165 ProLifeLiberal

My response would probably be along the lines of “go take your ignorance, and go shove somewhere.”

Which would probably not end well. Hopefully, they wouldn’t understand English and whomever was translating for you would have a calmer head. I’d probably react the same way, though.

169 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:13:03pm

re: #148 Floral Giraffe

Sex is good.
Between consenting adults.
I think we can agree on that.

Or certain inanimate objects.

170 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:13:24pm

re: #167 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Okay, now I’m afraid you’ve lost me.

wtf is wrong?….it’s pretty simple

171 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:13:43pm

re: #152 wlewisiii

Heh. I’ve changed a few so I never think of that as any big thing. A pain in the ass? Yeah. Something every parent has to deal with? Yeah.

I would have never given his ass the time of day if he hadn’t included changing a diaper, but then I’m just a crazy socialist stay at home dad :D

But. as an important add on, my mother was why I believed that way. She was a Heinlein fan as well. Perhaps even more interestingly though, for the last bits of her influence on me, she was a big fan of Lois McMaster Bujold.

172 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:14:04pm

The thing that upsets me so about Kathryn Jean Lopez—and this is not limited to rightie pundits, Rebecca Walker has hacked me off with it too—is this assumption that other women just haven’t THOUGHT about all of this. We’re just in la-la land, making dumb choices and risking being so sad if we can’t fulfill our lives by having babies…

Most of the women I know have given quite a lot of thought to the shape of their lives.

173 jaunte  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:14:31pm

re: #169 marjoriemoon

But penguins should always be off limits.

174 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:14:59pm

re: #170 albusteve

wtf is wrong?…it’s pretty simple

What rules exactly are preventing these cases from being brought before SCOTUS?

175 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:15:31pm

re: #165 ProLifeLiberal

My response would probably be along the lines of “go take your ignorance, and go shove somewhere.”

I have heard that’s not the safest thing to announce in Saudi…at least not to certain people.

Perhaps different travel plans?

:)

176 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:15:45pm

alrighty folks. enjoy your animate or inanimate objects, and good night-

177 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:16:12pm

re: #164 Lidane
There’s nothing wrong with pushing monogamy or stable relationships, or encouraging people to be celibate between relationships, or whatever. My problem lies with these anti-birth control fanatics and the fact that they want to get rid of something that gives women some control over their bodies and their fertility.

Yeah there is. It’s telling somebody else how to live and assuming you know better than them. That’s arrogant, presumptive, and annoying. As long as people aren’t hurting anyone, leave them alone.

178 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:16:25pm

re: #148 Floral Giraffe

Sex is good.

And when it’s bad, it’s so much better.
/

179 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:16:46pm

re: #173 jaunte

But penguins should always be off limits.

Oh dear. Now you’ve reminded me of the tickling penguin video.

*backs out of the room slowly*

180 suchislife  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:16:54pm

re: #159 Aceofwhat?

When did anyone try to take that choice away from you? Not disagree about it, but actively try to take it away? I think there is a world of difference between a sizable number of people saying, I’m going to stop you from doing that, by defunding your instituitions and harrassing you if you use them, and by possibly even killing your providers, on the one hand, and on the other, people saying, well that’s not my choice, and I’m not going to praise it and pretend like it’s the best one period. There is no equivalence between the violent and hateful anti-abortion and contraception movement and people who don’t praise you for your choices.

181 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:17:32pm

re: #174 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What rules exactly are preventing these cases from being brought before SCOTUS?

you tell me again…you posted the prevailing scenario

182 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:18:31pm

re: #178 Slumbering Behemoth

And when it’s bad, it’s so much better.
/

With penguins!

183 jaunte  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:19:08pm

re: #182 Floral Giraffe

“Make the penguin noise again!”

184 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:19:14pm

re: #181 albusteve

you tell me again…you posted the prevailing scenario

The part about there being no woman willing to step forward and file suit?

185 sagehen  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:19:22pm

re: #71 Lidane

Because people should be able to have an enjoyable, fun sex life in and out of marriage. That’s why.

For these fanatics, sex is only confined to marriage because sex only has one purpose— breeding. It’s not supposed to be fun, or playful, or kinky, or even enjoyable for both partners. She’s just supposed to lie there, open her legs, take it, and give birth nine months later. Rinse and repeat.

They must have very sad marriages.

186 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:19:29pm

re: #183 jaunte

Tee hee, whap, whap!

187 zora  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:20:07pm

night, y’all. have a good weekend.

188 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:21:40pm

re: #184 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The part about there being no woman willing to step forward and file suit?

yes, your 130….good
I suggested the SC not wait for a suit….this is the Constitution we are talking about

189 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:21:41pm

I’m out too. I’m too lazy to keep up with you guys tonight. Have fun and don’t harm any penguins!

190 Lidane  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:21:56pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

The thing that upsets me so about Kathryn Jean Lopez—and this is not limited to rightie pundits, Rebecca Walker has hacked me off with it too—is this assumption that other women just haven’t THOUGHT about all of this. We’re just in la-la land, making dumb choices and risking being so sad if we can’t fulfill our lives by having babies…

Most of the women I know have given quite a lot of thought to the shape of their lives.

Ugh. Tell me about it. I’ve never really felt the pull to be a mom. Besides, my cousins have had enough kids that both my family lines will carry on even if I don’t have kids of my own.

I’m 38. I’ll be 39 when I graduate with my master’s degree and then I’ll be back at work. I’ve chosen not to become a mother. Before grad school, it was because I was not mature enough or in any kind of financial position to bring a child into the world. After grad school, it will be because I will be pushing 40 and re-entering the working world after taking time off to get both my BBA and MBA. I want to get my career back on track. I know this, and I’ve planned accordingly. Kids aren’t in my current plans. If I meet a guy down the line that I could see having kids with, who knows? But for now, I’m perfectly fine with not having children.

191 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:22:25pm

re: #175 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, Love to go to Morocco. Hell, if things get bad enough here, that’s the first option go to.

192 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:23:38pm

re: #173 jaunte

But penguins should always be off limits.

Except to consenting other penguins.

(Penguins: the only nonhuman species to have people flip out over a book about a same-sex pair of them raising a child.)

193 suchislife  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:24:16pm

re: #180 suchislife
I’m not saying that you made such an equivalence explicitly, or that you would support it if asked (I’m sure you wouldn’t) but there was just this sense of, there’s two sides to this! Let’s take the middle road! both extremes are bad! running through your comments that bugged me.

194 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:24:31pm

re: #163 albusteve

I suggested changing the rules that apply to bringing legislation before the court…hello?

You seem to be saying you want an activist court, one that goes out and files its own complaints and then rules on them. Seems like a pretty messed up idea.

195 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:24:37pm

re: #188 albusteve

yes, your 130…good
I suggested the SC not wait for a suit…this is the Constitution we are talking about

And like I said, SCOTUS can’t arbitrarily step in and declare a law unconstitutional.

196 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:25:23pm

re: #190 Lidane

Ugh. Tell me about it. I’ve never really felt the pull to be a mom. Besides, my cousins have had enough kids that both my family lines will carry on even if I don’t have kids of my own.

I’m 38. I’ll be 39 when I graduate with my master’s degree and then I’ll be back at work. I’ve chosen not to become a mother. Before grad school, it was because I was not mature enough or in any kind of financial position to bring a child into the world. After grad school, it will be because I will be pushing 40 and re-entering the working world after taking time off to get both my BBA and MBA. I want to get my career back on track. I know this, and I’ve planned accordingly. Kids aren’t in my current plans. If I meet a guy down the line that I could see having kids with, who knows? But for now, I’m perfectly fine with not having children.

Currently, I’m single and have no short term plans for children. I’m young, though, so I’m totally open to changing that. I just like being able to decide if I want to be a mom or not. I’m still young. I’m also not sure I’m ready for kids (Well, being single is part of that too, obviously).

197 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:25:32pm

re: #194 goddamnedfrank

You seem to be saying you want an activist court, one that goes out and files its own complaints and then rules on them. Seems like a pretty messed up idea.

yeah, really fucked up

198 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:25:53pm

re: #194 goddamnedfrank

You seem to be saying you want an activist court, one that goes out and files its own complaints and then rules on them. Seems like a pretty messed up idea.

Not a bad idea. And to be sure that the laws are being enforced, we shall empower cops with the ability to charge, try, and sentence people on the spot. Even using lethal force, if the law requires. We’ll call them…Judges.

//

199 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:26:24pm

re: #195 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And like I said, SCOTUS can’t arbitrarily step in and declare a law unconstitutional.

my suggestion presumes that

200 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:28:07pm

re: #198 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Not a bad idea. And to be sure that the laws are being enforced, we shall empower cops with the ability to charge, try, and sentence people on the spot. Even using lethal force, if the law requires. We’ll call them…Judges.

//

frank was being facetious…nobody is suggesting the SC hunt down and reverse laws they disagree with…did they?

201 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:28:58pm

re: #196 Simply Sarah

Currently, I’m single and have no short term plans for children. I’m young, though, so I’m totally open to changing that. I just like being able to decide if I want to be a mom or not. I’m still young. I’m also not sure I’m ready for kids (Well, being single is part of that too, obviously).

Just a bit of advice, take it as you will. Don’t wait too long if you think you want kids. Something I’ve never talked about here. I had two pregnancies, but I have no children which is something I never, ever planned. Part of that was waiting too long and part was health issues.

I never paid much attention to The Clock and I should have.

202 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:31:01pm

re: #200 albusteve

frank was being facetious…nobody is suggesting the SC hunt down and reverse laws they disagree with…did they?

That seemed to be pretty much what you were suggesting. SCOTUS can’t hear cases that have not gone through lower courts, and the lower courts generally don’t hear cases where the victim is purely hypothetical.

203 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:31:13pm

. re: #125 Aceofwhat?

Yes you should. And when someone says ‘i worked hard to limit my sexual partners because i found that to be a worthy goal’, we should be happy for them.

Really? I’d just say “TMI!” There is no force on earth that can compel me to even be interested in people’s sexual history.

204 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:31:31pm

re: #201 marjoriemoon

Just a bit of advice, take it as you will. Don’t wait too long if you think you want kids. Something I’ve never talked about here. I had two pregnancies, but I have no children which is something I never, ever planned. Part of that was waiting too long and part was health issues.

I never paid much attention to The Clock and I should have.

Advice taken to heart. Even ignoring biological issues, I really don’t think I’d want to be chasing around a 5 year old at age, say, 45.

205 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:33:11pm

re: #202 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That seemed to be pretty much what you were suggesting. SCOTUS can’t hear cases that have not gone through lower courts, and the lower courts generally don’t hear cases where the victim is purely hypothetical.

no, it wasn’t at all what I was suggesting…this matter has been ruled on by the SC and they need to protect their ruling…totally far fetched and unworkable and a bad idea eh?…any other interpretation is your problem

206 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:33:47pm

re: #204 Simply Sarah

Advice taken to heart. Even ignoring biological issues, I really don’t think I’d want to be chasing around a 5 year old at age, say, 45.

Indeed! I do make one awesome aunt if I must say so myself!

207 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:34:13pm

re: #201 marjoriemoon

Just a bit of advice, take it as you will. Don’t wait too long if you think you want kids. Something I’ve never talked about here. I had two pregnancies, but I have no children which is something I never, ever planned. Part of that was waiting too long and part was health issues.

I never paid much attention to The Clock and I should have.

Or be willing to adopt. It’s the only way to sidestep that bastard clock. It’s a good way to loose youself. Yeah, that damn clock was choking us too.

208 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:35:41pm

re: #207 wlewisiii

Or be willing to adopt. It’s the only way to sidestep that bastard clock. It’s a good way to loose youself. Yeah, that damn clock was choking us too.

We considered adoption, but Sarah’s point was more appropriate. Not that you can’t be a good parent in your 40s and 50s, but it’s just not for me at this point.

209 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:36:08pm

re: #206 marjoriemoon

Indeed! I do make one awesome aunt if I must say so myself!

I’m an awesome Aunt too!
I like the role!

210 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:37:07pm

Good night all.
Happy Holidays, if they’re on your horizon.

211 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:37:43pm

re: #205 albusteve

no, it wasn’t at all what I was suggesting…this matter has been ruled on by the SC and they need to protect their ruling…totally far fetched and unworkable and a bad idea eh?…any other interpretation is your problem

Protecting their ruling means ruling laws, both federal and state, that are in violation of established precedent (RvW). To do that, those laws have to come before the court, which means proving in lower courts that the law is unconstitutional and needs to be ruled so by SCOTUS. Doing so in lower courts means filing suit on behalf of a person or persons whose rights have been violated by said law.

I admit my grades weren’t the best in school, but I do remember that much from my civics courses.

212 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:40:03pm

re: #208 marjoriemoon

We considered adoption, but Sarah’s point was more appropriate. Not that you can’t be a good parent in your 40s and 50s, but it’s just not for me at this point.

Of course, adoption may be the main option for me, depending on the sex of the person I end up with. That makes things so much more complicated, in a way.

213 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:40:11pm

re: #208 marjoriemoon

We considered adoption, but Sarah’s point was more appropriate. Not that you can’t be a good parent in your 40s and 50s, but it’s just not for me at this point.

Understood, but I am chasing a 9 year old boy daily at 47. :) Good lord bless me, but I wouldn’t have it any other way. I would not have had the patience he needs 20 years ago.

Some days are. ah, easier than others, shall we simply say ;)

214 sagehen  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:40:29pm

re: #149 albusteve

whatever, you seem to miss my point that I believe the SC has an obligation to step in…the rest I understand

The SC has 5 devout Roman Catholics… some of whom have real trouble separating their sectarian religious beliefs from their duty to the constitution.

215 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:41:15pm

re: #211 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Protecting their ruling means ruling laws, both federal and state, that are in violation of established precedent (RvW). To do that, those laws have to come before the court, which means proving in lower courts that the law is unconstitutional and needs to be ruled so by SCOTUS. Doing so in lower courts means filing suit on behalf of a person or persons whose rights have been violated by said law.

I admit my grades weren’t the best in school, but I do remember that much from my civics courses.

why do you keep repeating yourself?

216 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:41:24pm

re: #213 wlewisiii

Understood, but I am chasing a 9 year old boy daily at 47. :) Good lord bless me, but I wouldn’t have it any other way. I would not have had the patience he needs 20 years ago.

Some days are. ah, easier than others, shall we simply say ;)

Hey, if you can do it, all the more power to you. As for me, I have trouble having the energy to do much after work and I’m supposedly in my prime, so trying to deal with it mid-40s scares the heck out of me.

217 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:42:10pm

re: #214 sagehen

The SC has 5 devout Roman Catholics… some of whom have real trouble separating their sectarian religious beliefs from their duty to the constitution.

too bad, they can resign

218 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:43:48pm

re: #215 albusteve

why do you keep repeating yourself?

Uhm, because I’m absolutely lost as to the rules you’re suggesting being changed, or how SCOTUS has failed to protect its ruling because these laws continue to exist.

219 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:44:15pm

re: #212 Simply Sarah

Of course, adoption may be the main option for me, depending on the sex of the person I end up with. That makes things so much more complicated, in a way.

hehe Well, yes in the mechanics and all. A know two women who carried their partner’s fertilized eggs which is a pretty cool way to do it.

220 sagehen  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:45:01pm

re: #173 jaunte

But penguins should always be off limits.

Because they’re such *assholes* about thermostat settings.

221 albusteve  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:45:09pm

say goodnight, Dickre: #218 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Uhm, because I’m absolutely lost as to the rules you’re suggesting being changed, or how SCOTUS has failed to protect its ruling because these laws continue to exist.

I’ll bet
I’m outski

222 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:49:09pm

Days I wonder why I talk politics. All it does is end up giving me a headache.

223 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:49:16pm

re: #219 marjoriemoon

hehe Well, yes in the mechanics and all. A know two women who carried their partner’s fertilized eggs which is a pretty cool way to do it.

Hmm, I hadn’t thought of that. It’s an interesting option, for sure. In any case, I should be heading off to the land of dreams and getting the right amount of covers over me. Night, all!

224 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:51:38pm

re: #223 Simply Sarah

Hmm, I hadn’t thought of that. It’s an interesting option, for sure. In any case, I should be heading off to the land of dreams and getting the right amount of covers over me. Night, all!

Funny, all this talk about women’s choices, I wonder what Jim Sedlak of the American Life League feels about lesbian procreation! (Ok, I won’t wonder too long.)

225 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:56:41pm

I know how to kill a thread, I tell’s ya!

226 LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:58:41pm

Hi everyone! This is an interesting subject for me. A few years ago, my 16 year old step daughter came to stay with us for the summer. I can’t have children so i have just always adored her. To me, she could do no wrong. Her Mother is a born again Christian who is absolutely against abortion and birth control. About 6 months before she came to stay with us, she asked her mother if she could go on the pill, but she refused. Her reasoning, was that if she let her go on the pill, or ‘discuss’ birth control with her, it is condoning sex. During the summer, we found out she was sneaking a boy in her window at night after we went to bed, and they were having sex. She was using condoms, but also wanted to be on the pill, but there was nothing my husband or i could do once she went back home. And it was absolutely not my place to do so. My husband and her argued about it a lot. He would say, “what are you going to do if she gets pregnant” her response was “Then we will deal with that when it happens”. She did end up getting pregnant, a few months after she went back home, and had her second child, a few months before her 19th birthday. It is a horrible thing to feel a little sad about her sweet little baby’s, but i know she had so many dreams about college and sorority and seeing the world, and going to Prom, which she didn’t get to do. Anyways, i don’t feel morally superior to her mother, so i hope i did not come off that way. She is her daughter and i respect her as a mother.

227 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 9:59:34pm

Hold on. The Dane County Republicans actually said:

The Republican Party of Dane County recognizes that Judge Sumi is a leftist living in Dane County. Her friends are leftists living in Dane County. Her son is a left wing activist in Dane County. She goes to cocktail parties held by leftists in Dane County. She shops at organic gourmet food shops run by leftists living in Dane County. If she were to enforce the law of Wisconsin and do what was in the best interest of the people of Wisconsin, she’d be exiled from her lifestyle. She’d lose her friends!

The leadership of the Republican Party of Dane County have all made the choice to stand against the Dane County elite. We accept that Left feels righteous vandalizing our homes and keying our cars. It’s only fair. We disagree based upon logic and principle. That is intolerable! We prioritize the Constitution and the well being of the people of Wisconsin over foie gras at cocktail parties. That’s the choice we made. We respect Judge Sumi’s decision to live her life with the rich diversity that liberals cherish.

I thought Colbert was kidding.

228 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:00:46pm

re: #226 Cankles McCellulite

That’s a real sticky situation to be in, but on the other hand, you sound like an awesome step mom and that’s the important thing.

229 Lidane  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:01:13pm

re: #206 marjoriemoon

Indeed! I do make one awesome aunt if I must say so myself!

It’s my goal to be the cool aunt to my cousins’ kids. I’ll take them out for movies and pizza and ply them with sugar and caffeine, then drop them off at home. Heh. ;)

230 jaunte  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:01:30pm

re: #227 SanFranciscoZionist


organic gourmet food shops


Well that’s it. The last organic straw.

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:03:00pm

re: #230 jaunte

Well that’s it. The last organic straw.

I’m intrigued that they apparently believe liberals eat foie gras.

Maybe liberals in Wisconsin eat foie gras. Around here, you’d be stoned. And I don’t mean that in a good way.

232 jaunte  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:05:21pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

That is a weird connection.

233 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:05:51pm

re: #226 Cankles McCellulite

A similar sentiment was expressed by many regarding the HPV vaccine, that allowing underage girls to get the vaccine is the same as condoning underage sex.

These types have to stay immovably on message at all times to validate their world view, even if it means young women getting cancer when they could easily be vaccinated against it.

234 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:07:00pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

How many times does a decision come up where, on one hand, there’s the Constitution, and on the other, there’s foie gras and cocktail parties?

235 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:07:15pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m intrigued that they apparently believe liberals eat foie gras.

Maybe liberals in Wisconsin eat foie gras. Around here, you’d be stoned. And I don’t mean that in a good way.

It’s really hard to find a good foie gras around here in Madison, Wisconsin. Even the $200 a plate french place rarely serves it any more due to the political correctness issues,

Personally I’d rather a nice roast goose instead of worrying about it’s nasty tasting liver but what do I know?

236 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:08:41pm

re: #230 jaunte

Well that’s it. The last organic straw.

True conservatives eat foods made from plastics and other petroleum by-products.

237 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:09:32pm

re: #227 SanFranciscoZionist

Hold on. The Dane County Republicans actually said:

The Republican Party of Dane County recognizes that Judge Sumi is a leftist living in Dane County. Her friends are leftists living in Dane County. Her son is a left wing activist in Dane County. She goes to cocktail parties held by leftists in Dane County. She shops at organic gourmet food shops run by leftists living in Dane County. If she were to enforce the law of Wisconsin and do what was in the best interest of the people of Wisconsin, she’d be exiled from her lifestyle. She’d lose her friends!

The leadership of the Republican Party of Dane County have all made the choice to stand against the Dane County elite. We accept that Left feels righteous vandalizing our homes and keying our cars. It’s only fair. We disagree based upon logic and principle. That is intolerable! We prioritize the Constitution and the well being of the people of Wisconsin over foie gras at cocktail parties. That’s the choice we made. We respect Judge Sumi’s decision to live her life with the rich diversity that liberals cherish.

I thought Colbert was kidding.

Yeah, while right wing judges can’t even afford such a cushy lifestyle! Hell, they can barely afford to supersize their meals at McDonald’s! The nerve of this woman, rulin’ in such a way so as to enjoy a high class lifestyle!

///

Good God, these people truly believe this bullshit. Methinks all the Koch sucking has swiss-cheesed their brains.

238 Lidane  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:09:56pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m intrigued that they apparently believe liberals eat foie gras.

Maybe liberals in Wisconsin eat foie gras. Around here, you’d be stoned. And I don’t mean that in a good way.

I have never liked liver or any other organ meats. And pate is nasty, IMO. Ergo, foie gras is out for me.

I’m still a carnivore, though. I’m all about a good medium rare steak with a baked sweet potato on the side. :D

239 jaunte  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:10:03pm

re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth

True conservatives eat foods made from plastics and other petroleum by-products.

Image: cafeteria-5.jpg

240 Lidane  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:10:58pm

re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth

True conservatives eat foods made from plastics and other petroleum by-products.

So they eat at McDonald’s then?

241 LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:12:00pm

re: #226 Cankles McCellulite

Geezus. As usual, i apologize for my sentence structure and punctuation. Yep, Cankles just lets the keyboard take over, typing like the wind. No spell check for me either. Fuck spell check.
/

242 jaunte  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:12:16pm

Goodnight all, must go get sleep:
Here’s some guitar…
Gary Moore - Whiskey In The Jar

243 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:16:14pm

re: #240 Lidane

So they eat at McDonald’s then?

I liked that stuff when I was a kid, but as I got older and my taste buds developed a bit more, I realized I could make a better burger with both hands tied behind my back. On half a sheet of window pane. With a methed out honey badger shoved in my shorts.

Why any adult would still eat that shit is beyond me.

244 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:18:15pm

I’m absolutely clueless at this point as to who exactly fits the Right’s ideal of a “Real American.” Everything they support and push seems to make it look like it’s the rich elite, yet they’ll then badmouth the rich elite as being all a bunch of “leftists.”

245 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:18:43pm

re: #238 Lidane

I have never liked liver or any other organ meats. And pate is nasty, IMO. Ergo, foie gras is out for me.

I’m still a carnivore, though. I’m all about a good medium rare steak with a baked sweet potato on the side. :D

Omnivore to be exact :)

I did a vegetarian diet for about 6 years. The only thing that bothered me, in the sense of craving, was the smell of cooking beef. But looking at raw meat really disturbed me.

It didn’t work well for me though. I kept getting anemic and had to give it up.

246 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:20:04pm

re: #244 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’m absolutely clueless at this point as to who exactly fits the Right’s ideal of a “Real American.” Everything they support and push seems to make it look like it’s the rich elite, yet they’ll then badmouth the rich elite as being all a bunch of “leftists.”

Only if they’re ‘educated’.
/

247 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:21:54pm

re: #245 marjoriemoon

Come over to my place and I’ll que you up a Tri-Tip so good you’ll go looking for a cow to butcher with your bare hands.

248 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:22:13pm

re: #246 Slumbering Behemoth

Only if they’re ‘educated’.
/

Or don’t believe that they’re God’s gift to America. The Koch Brothers are “Real Americans,” while Warren Buffett isn’t because he’s gone on record as suggesting that rich people can afford to pay higher taxes.

249 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:25:03pm

re: #248 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You never see anyone losing their shit when someone says rich people can afford to pay for limo services, do you?

250 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:25:04pm

G’nigh all. Thank you!!! For everything.

251 Spocomptonite  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:27:53pm

Being a guy, I’m not exactly privy to every health detail of my female friends, but I’d say that fully 25% of them, at least, are on birth control pills for health reasons other than preventing pregnancy. And those are just the ones that have mentioned it to me.

A woman’s body is a complex thing, and these douchebag guys and ignorant women who are battling against contraceptives to be a mandatory part of health plans might as well be battling against diabetes medication from being covered.

252 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:28:27pm

re: #249 Slumbering Behemoth

You never see anyone losing their shit when someone says rich people can afford to pay for limo services, do you?

If anything, we’re supposedly supposed to go apeshit if somebody says they can’t. Because if they can’t, why somebody’s losin’ his job! And if he can’t afford a limo service, then that means he can’t afford to invest in his company, and that will mean more job losses!

No, we must cut taxes so that the rich guy can afford to have a limo, because then we know he’s got enough money in his pocket!

/

253 sagehen  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:29:20pm

re: #248 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Or don’t believe that they’re God’s gift to America. The Koch Brothers are “Real Americans,” while Warren Buffett isn’t because he’s gone on record as suggesting that rich people can afford to pay higher taxes.

The Kochs and Waltons are “real Americans” because they were born to great wealth; Buffett and Gates and Bloomberg aren’t because they sullied their hands to earn their own billions.

254 LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:29:53pm

re: #245 marjoriemoon
I accidentally watched a documentary about a guy who goes undercover at pig farms that are suspected of being too cruel to their livestock. I am not a vegetarian, but i have been unable to eat any pig product since. Heart breaking.
I miss biscuits and sausage gravy.

255 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:31:37pm

re: #13 Floral Giraffe

You know, if a man had to carry a child for 9 months, this would be SUCH a different conversation.
Viagra for women?

Niagra.

waka waka waka

256 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:33:02pm

re: #254 Cankles McCellulite

I accidentally watched a documentary

And I accidentally smoked crack once. How the hell does that happen?

/just yanking yer Cankle :)

257 freetoken  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:34:38pm

The end is nigh:


No more addresses: Asia-Pacific region IPv4 well runs dry

258 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:35:17pm

re: #254 Cankles McCellulite

I accidentally watched a documentary about a guy who goes undercover at pig farms that are suspected of being too cruel to their livestock. I am not a vegetarian, but i have been unable to eat any pig product since. Heart breaking.
I miss biscuits and sausage gravy.

What got me into it initially was PETA. I saw a brochure of the slaughter houses. Years later and while I was still a veghead, I learned that those disgusting, mutilated pictures were of non-US slaughter houses, mostly in South and Central America. I had been duped by PETA. This was back in the 80’s way before the proliferation of the internet.

I want to say they have a good point because in the sense of animal rights and treatment they do, but I guess they don’t really believe in it or they wouldn’t have to lie so much about it.

259 What, me worry?  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:35:57pm

re: #256 Slumbering Behemoth

And I accidentally smoked crack once. How the hell does that happen?

/just yanking yer Cankle :)

LOL And with that giggle, I’m off. Sleep tight lizards.

260 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:38:01pm

re: #253 sagehen

The Kochs and Waltons are “real Americans” because they were born to great wealth; Buffett and Gates and Bloomberg aren’t because they sullied their hands to earn their own billions.

That’s because guys like Buffett, Gates, and Bloomberg actually understand where they came from and so believe their wealth should be used to help those who haven’t hit the “American Dream” sweepstakes, whether it be through higher taxes or donations to “liberal” charities and organizations.

Meanwhile, the Kochs and Waltons of America were born into their wealth, never had to work an honest day for it, and thus feel themselves “entitled” to it. The idea that the “parasites” should be helped with some fraction of their wealth is anathemia to them, is just capital “W” Wrong. They view their “success” not by having wealth, but by acquiring even greater wealth.

Of course, this is all in sharp contrast to the supposed ideology that the Right claims to support, that idea that one should be able to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps” and thus attain fortune. They worship those born to the purple, not the “New Money” who “lucked into it.”

261 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:41:57pm

re: #257 freetoken

Heh.

262 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:42:13pm

Would this be a good time for us to revisit the inheritance tax or, as it’s been branded, the “death” tax?

263 LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:43:03pm

re: #256 Slumbering Behemoth

Ha!
Home alone. Sitting on the couch. clicking through shows. Oh, look, a documentary. I like documentary’s. Hmm, a guy is about to go undercover at a pig farm. How bad could it be?

264 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:48:42pm

re: #263 Cankles McCellulite

How bad could it be?

The miracle that is bacon makes up for all the world’s sins.

265 Kragar  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:50:50pm

re: #263 Cankles McCellulite

Ha!
Home alone. Sitting on the couch. clicking through shows. Oh, look, a documentary. I like documentary’s. Hmm, a guy is about to go undercover at a pig farm. How bad could it be?

Well, there was that serial killer in Canada, IIRC.

266 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:56:00pm

re: #149 albusteve

whatever, you seem to miss my point that I believe the SC has an obligation to step in…the rest I understand

All SCOTUS can do is wait for the right case to come along. If the case doesn’t get to them, they can’t set precedent.

267 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:57:12pm

re: #262 JasonA

Well, if you’re capable of bequeathing billions, that’s one thing. But nobody I know likes the idea of busting their hump most of their adult lives in the hopes of leaving a business or a nest egg or maybe just a home to their family only to see that dream go *poof* when they die.

What would you suggest?

268 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:59:16pm

Go go Gail Collins, kick these animals to the curb

269 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:59:35pm

re: #267 Slumbering Behemoth

Wouldn’t a progressive rate make sense here? I.e., very little for relatively small amounts, a much higher rate if you are bequeathing a fortune.

270 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:00:19pm

re: #227 SanFranciscoZionist

Nope, they’re actually that horrible

271 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:01:55pm

re: #269 Fozzie Bear

Wouldn’t a progressive rate make sense here? I.e., very little for relatively small amounts, a much higher rate if you are bequeathing a fortune.

Sounds good to me!

Someone leaving their kids their house and a hundred grand is a different story than someone leaving their kids their house, their other house, their third house, their ski chalet, their seven cars, their timeshare in Tokyo, their yacht, and their jet

272 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:02:48pm

re: #267 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, if you’re capable of bequeathing billions, that’s one thing. But nobody I know likes the idea of busting their hump most of their adult lives in the hopes of leaving a business or a nest egg or maybe just a home to their family only to see that dream go *poof* when they die.

What would you suggest?

depends on the size of the business, depends on the size of the nest egg.

273 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:04:53pm

re: #238 Lidane

I have never liked liver or any other organ meats. And pate is nasty, IMO. Ergo, foie gras is out for me.

I’m still a carnivore, though. I’m all about a good medium rare steak with a baked sweet potato on the side. :D

I like chopped liver in moderation.

274 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:05:09pm

re: #269 Fozzie Bear

Sounds reasonable, but I’m not sure how all this works.

If you’re bequeathed a small home and nothing more, does the gov’t get the spare bedroom or part of the bathroom? A section of the attic and maybe that piece of back yard where the tool shed used to be?

275 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:05:18pm

re: #267 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, if you’re capable of bequeathing billions, that’s one thing. But nobody I know likes the idea of busting their hump most of their adult lives in the hopes of leaving a business or a nest egg or maybe just a home to their family only to see that dream go *poof* when they die.

What would you suggest?

Christ man, we have an exemption on all estates right now under 5 mill. That doesn’t strike you as a little high?

276 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:06:57pm

re: #275 JasonA

5M doesn’t sound like all that much to me, but what do I know? I’ve been poor to lower middle class most of my life.

277 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:06:57pm

re: #244 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’m absolutely clueless at this point as to who exactly fits the Right’s ideal of a “Real American.” Everything they support and push seems to make it look like it’s the rich elite, yet they’ll then badmouth the rich elite as being all a bunch of “leftists.”

On my way in here tonight
I bruised my nose hugging a tree.
I was late ‘cause I had to stop by on my way in San Quentin
to set a criminal free.
And I ran out on seven-grain bee-pollen macrobiotic organic sustainable medical marijuana
for my jerky knee.

Do you know how hard it is
to be a liberal?
Well, do ya?

I had to learn to speak French, Spanish, Hindi, and dolphin
just so I could relate.
I’m exhausted from taxing and spending,
and controlling the media, and hiding my agenda,
and ruling San Francisco as a separatist nation-state.
And in yoga today, I got bent out of shape
‘cause the guy doing bow-pulling pulls in front of me was intolerant
which I hate!

Do you know how hard it is
to be a liberal?
Well, do ya?

Constantly feeding the hungry
and bleeding my heart
and exceeding my budget
and needing approval
and reading The Nation
and leading a sing-along — EVERYBODY!
(No wait, that was just an impulse. Sorry.)

I was shootin’ hoops with some brothas
when I sprained my ba-donka-donk
and ya know that ain’t chill.
I saved an endangered snail-darter
from being eaten by an endangered spotted owl
which I saved from being eaten by an endangered snow-leopard
which I saved from being shot by a poacher
who I had to kill — (with kindness. It took a while.)
And I hit a speed bump and I spilled my chi-latte all over the hemp-covered seats of my Prius and the speed-bump turned out to be a homeless Native American so I apologized and gave him some land, I stomped out his cigarette and took away his gun and shot myself in the nuts on my way to my frivolous lawsuit for sexual harassment where I was suing myself ‘cause I masturbated — against my will!
Do you know how hard it is
to be me?
Do you know how hard it is
just to be a knee-jerk liberal?
What I wouldn’t give
to be a circle-jerk conservative!

278 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:08:28pm

re: #276 Slumbering Behemoth

5M doesn’t sound like all that much to me, but what do I know? I’ve been poor to lower middle class most of my life.

As of 2001 It was $675,000 with a max rate of 55%. Now it’s 5,000,000 with a max of 35%.

279 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:09:51pm

re: #278 JasonA

Does that include all assets, or just cash in the bank?

280 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:10:01pm

re: #244 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’m absolutely clueless at this point as to who exactly fits the Right’s ideal of a “Real American.” Everything they support and push seems to make it look like it’s the rich elite, yet they’ll then badmouth the rich elite as being all a bunch of “leftists.”

I think Sarah Palin nailed it.

That said, the left has an equally batty, although different, set of issues about socioeconomic status and how it is supposed to work, and gets equally whiny and bitchy when people don’t fit in the little boxes. The difference, as always, being that the extreme version of this doesn’t make it into national politics.

281 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:10:58pm

re: #279 Slumbering Behemoth

Does that include all assets, or just cash in the bank?

All.

282 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:11:00pm

re: #248 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Or don’t believe that they’re God’s gift to America. The Koch Brothers are “Real Americans,” while Warren Buffett isn’t because he’s gone on record as suggesting that rich people can afford to pay higher taxes.

That bastard!!!

283 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:13:06pm

re: #258 marjoriemoon

What got me into it initially was PETA. I saw a brochure of the slaughter houses. Years later and while I was still a veghead, I learned that those disgusting, mutilated pictures were of non-US slaughter houses, mostly in South and Central America. I had been duped by PETA. This was back in the 80’s way before the proliferation of the internet.

I want to say they have a good point because in the sense of animal rights and treatment they do, but I guess they don’t really believe in it or they wouldn’t have to lie so much about it.

My late grandmother used to send money to PETA because they were ‘really hard core’ about animal rights.

There was no arguing with my grandma when it came to animals, so no one did, although I think my aunt tried hard to convince her that the SPCA was just as good.

284 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:14:11pm

re: #281 JasonA

Okay. So say I am bequeathed a small business or piece of property that is technically worth $X, but haven’t the cash or the ability to pay the inheritance tax on that technical value. What happens then?

Seriously, I do not know how this stuff works.

285 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:15:30pm

re: #262 JasonA

Would this be a good time for us to revisit the inheritance tax or, as it’s been branded, the “death” tax?

MoneyistaxedwhenitchangeshandsIdon’tnoticeanyonetryingtoearn
lessmoneysotheirkidswon’thavetopayinheritancetaxesonlyappliesto
atinypercentageofAmericanswhatpartofmoneyistaxedwhenitchanges
handsdon’tyouunderstandohdon’tstartwiththegovernmenttellingyou
youcan’tkeepyourownmoneyagain…

What? Sorry, went into autopilot.

286 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:16:29pm

re: #270 WindUpBird

Nope, they’re actually that horrible

I’m not surprised to learn that they’re horrible, but I’m rather impressed to learn that they’re actually that childish, and open about their stupid stereotypes.

287 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:16:39pm

re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist

The SPCA is pretty cool. Though they do tend to get a bit sensitive when you ask how long you have to pay their ransom before they kill your dog that got out of your yard.

288 LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:17:03pm

re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist
EXCELLENTicouldn’tagreemore!

289 sagehen  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:17:38pm

re: #267 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, if you’re capable of bequeathing billions, that’s one thing. But nobody I know likes the idea of busting their hump most of their adult lives in the hopes of leaving a business or a nest egg or maybe just a home to their family only to see that dream go *poof* when they die.

What would you suggest?

The inheritance talk has… has always had… a multimillion dollar exclusion. The taxable portion of an estate only applies to what’s over and above that — it also excludes working farms or ongoing wholly-owned family businesses. Nobody has ever — and I mean ever, the right-wing researchers looked really hard and couldn’t find a single example more recent than 1962 — of a family losing their farm or business to inheritance tax.

290 Kragar  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:18:33pm

Who says there isn’t any good news nowadays?

Flubbed, under-produced representation of the first third of Ayn Rand’s still controversial novel bodes ill for parts two and three.

The independently financed-and-distributed rendition of the book’s first third is unlikely to generate sufficient box office to inspire production of the final two installments.

Of the 12 Reviews on the IMDB page, 6 come straight from Ayn Rand fan sites, praising what a great movie it is. Breitbart’s Big Hollywood also says its great, while the other reviews all demolish it.

291 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:18:41pm

re: #284 Slumbering Behemoth

Requirements for filing return and paying tax
For estates larger than the current federally exempted amount, any estate tax due is paid by the executor, other person responsible for administering the estate, or the person in possession of the decedent’s property. That person is also responsible for filing a Form 706 return with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). The return must contain detailed information as to the valuations of the estate assets and the exemptions claimed, to ensure that the correct amount of tax is paid. The deadline for filing the Form 706 is 9 months from the date of the decedent’s death. The payment may be extended, but not to exceed 12 months, but the return must be filed by the 9 month deadline.

As of right now, if it’s worth more than 5 million, enough would have to be liquidated to pay that off. I think. We’re in Lawhawk territory now.

292 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:19:48pm

re: #289 sagehen

That sounds cool. Like I said, I really don’t know how this stuff works. My biggest achievement in the realm of American taxes is filling out my own 1040.

293 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:20:07pm

re: #289 sagehen

The inheritance talk has… has always had… a multimillion dollar exclusion. The taxable portion of an estate only applies to what’s over and above that — it also excludes working farms or ongoing wholly-owned family businesses. Nobody has ever — and I mean ever, the right-wing researchers looked really hard and couldn’t find a single example more recent than 1962 — of a family losing their farm or business to inheritance tax.

Thank you, milady.

294 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:22:27pm

re: #291 JasonA

Hey dude! Don’t format that to make it look like you’re quoting me! You’re making me look smarter than I actually am by doing that, and I won’t stand for it!
/

295 sagehen  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:22:53pm

re: #284 Slumbering Behemoth

Okay. So say I am bequeathed a small business or piece of property that is technically worth $X, but haven’t the cash or the ability to pay the inheritance tax on that technical value. What happens then?

Seriously, I do not know how this stuff works.

If it’s a working farm or an ongoing business, the government takes not of what it’s worth. If you sell it reasonably soon, inheritance tax applies to the cash. If you keep it and work it, then capital gains will apply if and when you eventually sell it. Or if you leave it to your kids decades later, you didn’t pay inheritance tax at all and they’ll be subject to the then-current rules.

296 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:23:58pm

re: #294 Slumbering Behemoth

Hey dude! Don’t format that to make it look like you’re quoting me! You’re making me look smarter than I actually am by doing that, and I won’t stand for it!
/

Dumbering Behemoth.

/

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:26:15pm

re: #290 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Who says there isn’t any good news nowadays?

Of the 12 Reviews on the IMDB page, 6 come straight from Ayn Rand fan sites, praising what a great movie it is. Breitbart’s Big Hollywood also says its great, while the other reviews all demolish it.

So basically, the fan base likes it, people who think its ideology is more important than its deathly dullness like it, and no one else will watch it on a bet? I wonder what they’ll blame it on if, as seems likely, it’s a complete commercial disaster.

Who’s in it, anyway?

298 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:26:41pm

re: #288 Cankles McCellulite

EXCELLENTicouldn’tagreemore!

We’ve discussed estate taxes here a number of times. I can now do my part while drinking a glass of water.

299 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:27:09pm

re: #295 sagehen

Aw fuck it. I think I’ll just stick to being this guy.

300 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:27:27pm

re: #297 SanFranciscoZionist

So basically, the fan base likes it, people who think its ideology is more important than its deathly dullness like it, and no one else will watch it on a bet? I wonder what they’ll blame it on if, as seems likely, it’s a complete commercial disaster.

Who’s in it, anyway?

Liam Neeson, Ewan MacGregor, Nat… oh sorry, thought you meant The Phantom Menace.

301 Kragar  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:28:32pm

re: #297 SanFranciscoZionist

So basically, the fan base likes it, people who think its ideology is more important than its deathly dullness like it, and no one else will watch it on a bet? I wonder what they’ll blame it on if, as seems likely, it’s a complete commercial disaster.

Who’s in it, anyway?

C listers.

302 Kragar  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:28:46pm

re: #300 JasonA

Liam Neeson, Ewan MacGregor, Nat… oh sorry, thought you meant The Phantom Menace.

ZING!

303 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:29:50pm

re: #302 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ZING!

I really should’ve gone with Battlefield Earth, though.

304 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:30:20pm

re: #297 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, the Randian Paul-Bots love to game polls by voting a multitude of times. Let’s see if they’ll put their money where there mouth is and pay to see that dreck in theaters a multitude of times.

305 sagehen  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:30:49pm

What often does happen with inherited homes… is that the assessed value for property taxes goes up quite a bit (some jurisdictions only revalue when it changes hands, and maybe it’s been 30 years and what used to be the middle of nowhere is now a classy suburb and it’s worth ten times what your parents paid) — and if the inheriting kids don’t have near the income their parents used to, they may not be able to keep up the new rate. Or it’s mortgaged, and the kids can’t keep up the payments plus the new tax rate. At which point it has to be sold.

306 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:30:52pm

re: #304 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, the Randian Paul-Bots love to game polls by voting a multitude of times. Let’s see if they’ll put their money where there mouth is and pay to see that dreck in theaters a multitude of times.

Five bucks says they just torrent the damn thing…

307 Kragar  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:30:56pm

re: #303 JasonA

I really should’ve gone with Battlefield Earth, though.

Yeah, but thats 20/20 hindsight.

308 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:32:04pm

re: #300 JasonA

Liam Neeson, Ewan MacGregor, Nat… oh sorry, thought you meant The Phantom Menace.

The Phantom Menace had ideology of some kind?

Now, the LOTR movies worked because people could project both left-leaning and right-leaning ideas onto it, plus it’s a great story, and well-filmed.

309 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:33:02pm

re: #305 sagehen

That’s sad.

re: #306 JasonA

Free Market Principles at work!
/

310 Kragar  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:33:58pm

re: #308 SanFranciscoZionist

The Phantom Menace had ideology of some kind?

Not so much an ideology as a following.

311 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:34:58pm

re: #308 SanFranciscoZionist

I was told it was meant to be an allegory of biblical prophesy. Don’t recall who told me that. Probably some random.

312 Kragar  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:35:35pm

Looking at the cast, the only actors I recognize are character actors who show up in every movie ever filmed.

313 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:36:59pm

re: #308 SanFranciscoZionist

The Phantom Menace had ideology of some kind?

Now, the LOTR movies worked because people could project both left-leaning and right-leaning ideas onto it, plus it’s a great story, and well-filmed.

Well now I’m just picturing a version where Aragorn ditches the parasite Hobbits at Weathertop.

314 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:37:00pm

re: #304 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, the Randian Paul-Bots love to game polls by voting a multitude of times. Let’s see if they’ll put their money where there mouth is and pay to see that dreck in theaters a multitude of times.

They may enjoy it.

Only actor whose name I recognize is Michael Lerner.

I suppose they could buy up buttloads of tickets to drive up the numbers and then give them to bums so they can sleep through it in the warm…but Randians would probably thing helping bums immoral, and everyone else might consider exposing them to the movie a human rights violation.

315 Kragar  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:37:20pm

And I’ll just take this as an opportunity to post the single greatest review of the Phantom Menace ever committed to video. Its better than the film itself.

Youtube Video

316 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:37:48pm

re: #311 Slumbering Behemoth

I was told it was meant to be an allegory of biblical prophesy. Don’t recall who told me that. Probably some random.

It might be. It was just so inherently STUPID that I didn’t notice.

317 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:37:59pm

It’s morning in Old Europe. Just catching up on the thread.

So yes, these people are not only against Planned Parenthood with capital letters, they are against planned parenthood in small letters.

Shall we institute a pool on when the first DVD releases of “Atlas Shrugged” start showing up in the discount bargain bin?

318 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:38:30pm

Dear God…that’s going to be a trilogy of boredom?!?

319 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:38:49pm

re: #312 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sort of like the cast of every other “Left Behind” type film. That is, those whose careers won’t crash and burn by being attached to such nonsense.

320 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:39:02pm

re: #315 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And I’ll just take this as an opportunity to post the single greatest review of the Phantom Menace ever committed to video. Its better than the film itself.

[Video]

I’ve seen it many times. Great stuff. Haven’t watched the Episode 3 one yet.

321 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:39:17pm

re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist

My late grandmother used to send money to PETA because they were ‘really hard core’ about animal rights.

There was no arguing with my grandma when it came to animals, so no one did, although I think my aunt tried hard to convince her that the SPCA was just as good.

The SPCA would be a far better way to prevent actual suffering of animals, because they won’t waste any of the money they get in donations on bizarre quixotic quests to save dairy cows from their cruel imprisonment, and other such nonsense. Sure, PETA fights a few good fights, but mostly, they are just batshit crazy.

322 Kragar  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:40:09pm

re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist

They may enjoy it.

Only actor whose name I recognize is Michael Lerner.

I suppose they could buy up buttloads of tickets to drive up the numbers and then give them to bums so they can sleep through it in the warm…but Randians would probably thing helping bums immoral, and everyone else might consider exposing them to the movie a human rights violation.

I recognized Micheal O’Keefe, but thats only because he also played the priest turned pirate in Nate and Hayes opposite Tommy Lee Jones and in Caddyshack.

323 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:41:11pm

re: #313 JasonA

Well now I’m just picturing a version where Aragorn ditches the parasite Hobbits at Weathertop.

The part of Treebeard is being played by Kofi Annan.

(Makes more sense if you remember how long it takes them to actually agree on anything…)

324 Kragar  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:41:24pm

re: #317 ralphieboy

It’s morning in Old Europe. Just catching up on the thread.

So yes, these people are not only against Planned Parenthood with capital letters, they are against planned parenthood in small letters.

Shall we institute a pool on when the first DVD releases of “Atlas Shrugged” start showing up in the discount bargain bin?

I’m trying to think of what the porn parodies will be named.

Atlas humped seems a strong contender in that department.

325 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:41:53pm

re: #316 SanFranciscoZionist

It might be. It was just so inherently STUPID that I didn’t notice.

I going to assume that you think I meant “The Phantom Menace” and not LOTR when I said that. Otherwise, you are dead to me.
/

No, actually, I was told that about LOTR.

That’s the funny thing about fiction, people will read whatever biases they have into it.

326 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:42:25pm

re: #324 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m trying to think of what the porn parodies will be named.

Atlas humped seems a strong contender in that department.

To think, if they had made The Fountainhead the work would have been done for you.

327 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:42:50pm

re: #325 Slumbering Behemoth

I going to assume that you think I meant “The Phantom Menace” and not LOTR when I said that. Otherwise, you are dead to me.
/

No, actually, I was told that about LOTR.

That’s the funny thing about fiction, people will read whatever biases they have into it.

You might be thinking of Narnia then.

328 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:42:57pm

re: #318 JasonA

Dear God…that’s going to be a trilogy of boredom?!?

Trilogy? Some folk are being unreasonably optimistic.

329 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:43:32pm

re: #328 Slumbering Behemoth

Trilogy? Some folk are being unreasonably optimistic.

I would just argue that the book is unreasonably long.

330 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:44:51pm

re: #327 JasonA

You might be thinking of Narnia then.

Nah, I was told this long before the scripts for the Narnia films were even being written.

But then again, I may well be misremembering what I heard. Wouldn’t be the first time.

331 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:45:46pm

Okay, I need to do some slumbering of my own. Ciao.

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:45:48pm

re: #315 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And I’ll just take this as an opportunity to post the single greatest review of the Phantom Menace ever committed to video. Its better than the film itself.

[Video]

I like the way his ability to pronounce ‘protagonist’ degenerates in the course of the review.

333 BongCrodny  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:45:57pm

re: #297 SanFranciscoZionist

So basically, the fan base likes it, people who think its ideology is more important than its deathly dullness like it, and no one else will watch it on a bet? I wonder what they’ll blame it on if, as seems likely, it’s a complete commercial disaster.

Who’s in it, anyway?


Rotten Tomatoes checks in with 1 positive review out of 18 collected, or 6%. The positive review came from The New York Post. Consider me shocked.

334 Kragar  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:47:37pm

re: #326 JasonA

To think, if they had made The Fountainhead the work would have been done for you.

Sometimes they just make it too easy. A Tale of 2 Titties or Field of Reams for example

335 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:51:18pm

re: #324 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m trying to think of what the porn parodies will be named.

Atlas humped seems a strong contender in that department.

“Atlas Shagged” by Ayn Randy

336 Kragar  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:51:43pm

re: #335 ralphieboy

“Atlas Shagged” by Ayn Randy

Oh, thats even better.

337 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:51:51pm

re: #315 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was really looking forward to seeing the origin story of my childhood hero. The last remnant of my inner child died a miserable death the day I watched that piece of crap.

338 BongCrodny  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:52:59pm

re: #324 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m trying to think of what the porn parodies will be named.

Atlas humped seems a strong contender in that department.


Who boned John Galt?

339 Kragar  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:54:59pm

re: #337 Slumbering Behemoth

I was really looking forward to seeing the origin story of my childhood hero. The last remnant of my inner child died a miserable death the day I watched that piece of crap.

I took 2 days of leave and camped out for 12 hours to be the first person in line to see it in Jacksonville, NC. The day after was for the crying after watching it.

340 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 15, 2011 11:59:03pm

re: #339 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Your pain is much greater than mine. I waited until it hit network television. I turned off the tv halfway through.

341 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 12:02:15am

re: #311 Slumbering Behemoth

I was told it was meant to be an allegory of biblical prophesy. Don’t recall who told me that. Probably some random.

This started with Lucas having Anakin’s mom claim she was a virgin when she gave birth, which had to happen because Lucas is a fuckwit.

342 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 12:06:54am

re: #337 Slumbering Behemoth

I was really looking forward to seeing the origin story of my childhood hero. The last remnant of my inner child died a miserable death the day I watched that piece of crap.

The worst part is, somewhere in that pile of nonsense there’s a real story about a child who was destroyed by people who thought they were too good to bother with things like understanding fear and anger. And who broke their promises.

343 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 12:10:04am

re: #341 goddamnedfrank

This started with Lucas having Anakin’s mom claim she was a virgin when she gave birth, which had to happen because Lucas is a fuckwit.

I was less upset by the virgin birth of Anakin Skywalker, to be honest, than by the positing of a world in which a junkyard owner’s slaves live in a cute little duplex on the other side of town from the junkyard.

344 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 12:10:17am

“The tracks go off in this direction”.

As do I. G’nite all.

345 Kragar  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 12:10:27am

re: #341 goddamnedfrank

This started with Lucas having Anakin’s mom claim she was a virgin when she gave birth, which had to happen because Lucas is a fuckwit.

“Wait, Darth Vader made C-3P0? WTF?”

346 Kragar  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 12:12:19am

re: #343 SanFranciscoZionist

I was less upset by the virgin birth of Anakin Skywalker, to be honest, than by the positing of a world in which a junkyard owner’s slaves live in a cute little duplex on the other side of town from the junkyard.

“Guys, we saved the day, can we go rescue my Mom from slavery now?

“…No.”

347 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 12:12:35am

re: #345 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

This would make more sense. Nite for real now, all.

348 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 12:14:22am

re: #346 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

“Guys, we saved the day, can we go rescue my Mom from slavery now?

“…No.”

If it wasn’t for the children, frankly, I would consider that Anakin did God justice when he slaughtered all the Jedi. They had it coming.

349 po8crg  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 12:14:37am

re: #195 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And like I said, SCOTUS can’t arbitrarily step in and declare a law unconstitutional.

Yes it can, constitutionally - the basis on which it doesn’t is judicial procedure, not the constitution.

Technically, SCOTUS could completely rewrite its own procedures to allow for declaratory judgement on constitutionality of laws on enactment without requiring the applicant to show locus standi. That would probably mean operating as a court of first instance on such cases rather than a court of appeal with certiorari, in that the normal courts of first instance would reject such cases for lack of locus standi.

The point is that there is no way the nine judges of SCOTUS would do that. It would be a bigger revolution than a constitutional convention and a complete rewrite of the constitution - it would be effectively an abandonment of the common-law system, which is far older than the constitution and far more fundamental.

350 Kragar  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 12:20:32am

re: #348 SanFranciscoZionist

If it wasn’t for the children, frankly, I would consider that Anakin did God justice when he slaughtered all the Jedi. They had it coming.

The least efficient, most self righteous, hypocritical warrior mystics know to man.

351 freetoken  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 12:24:46am

MP3 Audio

352 freetoken  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 12:31:50am

MP3 Audio

353 freetoken  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 12:38:18am

MP3 Audio

354 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 12:44:12am

“We want to find the best candidate and the best vehicle for us to reclaim our republic,” says Jerry DeLemus, a Tea Party leader from Rochester, N.H. “The Republican Party is a vehicle that we can use to effect positive change.”

The GOP is the schoolbus and the TP has just placed a bomb on it that will go off if they slow down the crazy…

355 Kruk  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 12:57:29am

re: #198 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Not a bad idea. And to be sure that the laws are being enforced, we shall empower cops with the ability to charge, try, and sentence people on the spot. Even using lethal force, if the law requires. We’ll call them…Judges.

//

I….AM…the law!

(That’s how I always imagined it when I read the comics. One of the things I hated most about the movie was that Stallone changed it to “I…am…THE LAW!”)

356 Kragar  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 12:59:26am

re: #355 Kruk

I…AM…the law!

(That’s how I always imagined it when I read the comics. One of the things I hated most about the movie was that Stallone changed it to “I…am…THE LAW!”)

I thought it went more like this.

Youtube Video

357 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 1:05:42am

re: #355 Kruk

I…AM…the law!

(That’s how I always imagined it when I read the comics. One of the things I hated most about the movie was that Stallone changed it to “I…am…THE LAW!”)

You see how much of the mesage is changed by tht intonation: in your version the message is that JD is over and above the law.

His intonation makes it sound like he has still remained subject to the law.

358 Kragar  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 1:07:46am

Now what they need to do is let someone make a real Judge Dredd movie, get someone like Kevin McKidd to play Dredd, then put him up against Ralph Fiennes as Judge Death.

359 freetoken  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 2:30:16am

A little bit of Elgar late at night:

MP3 Audio

360 freetoken  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 2:58:49am

Looking back at the charts, it looks like 1953 was an ok year in pop music - Percy Faith as well as Les Paul and Mary Ford did well, and it was a very successful year for Perry Como.

It was also a year for sappy sentimentalism:
MP3 Audio

and campy humor:
MP3 Audio

Of the top hits of that year, I think this one has held up well:
MP3 Audio

361 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 3:04:19am

re: #350 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The least efficient, most self righteous, hypocritical warrior mystics know to man.

Not to mention mind-rapists, messing with people’s actual thoughts and desires.

362 laZardo  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 3:21:56am

A discussion on the Jedi and Varek Raith is not here.

I sense a disturbance in the Force.

363 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 3:23:04am

re: #362 laZardo

He might be sitting in the shadows with his hands steepled in front of his face, the malevolent watcher.

He does that sometimes. It’s his thing.

364 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 4:38:28am

re: #361 Obdicut

Not to mention mind-rapists, messing with people’s actual thoughts and desires.

sweet

365 researchok  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 4:41:01am

Morning, all

366 BongCrodny  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 5:23:33am

re: #350 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The least efficient, most self righteous, hypocritical warrior mystics know to man.


For a bunch of smart guys you’d think you’d see one or two of ‘em read a book once in a while.

Of course, given the choice between a book and a lightsaber, I’d probably take the lightsaber. The pen might be mightier than the sword, but you can’t slice people in half with a book.

367 Tigger2005  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:09:16am

So, I had one of those 18 month free financing plans from Best Buy, but things didn’t work out with my paying roommate the way I’d hoped & I was facing getting charged for the deferred interest. I asked my wingnut bro for some help, said I’d gladly sign a contract with him to pay him back. He decided there was no way he was going to do that without humiliating me. First he wanted me to bring the TV, dvd player, and laptop I bought at Best Buy over for him to keep until I finished paying him. He relented when I told him I was getting a larger tax refund than I thought and that I could pay him back right away with that. But then he created a new condition, I had to stop posting “dumb” stuff about Republicans and the Tea Party on Facebook because he doesn’t loan money to “commies.”

I brought this up with my stepmom and she said she and my dad would lend me the money. Once it’s in the bank and I’ve transmitted the money (hehe) I’m going to tell my brother where he can go. Something along the lines of “Interesting how you can’t refute my comments about the GOP/Tea Party with facts and reason so you try to shut me up with threats.”

I might still “agree” with his conditions for a while. I’ll tell him I’ll just post links to articles about Republicans and Tea Partiers doing and saying dumb things, completely without comment, opinion or “spin” from me.

368 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:24:10am

America is saved from the ravages of online poker!

I’m pretty sure the FBI will be hitting Wall Street next.

//

369 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:28:10am

re: #367 Tigger2005

Fine. He shouldn’t have demanded what he did. You keep going after the GOP, and I’ll keep hammering back at those posts (as opposed to you personally). Deal?

370 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:31:21am

In re: original thread topic,
Bachmann Misleads on Abortion

here’s a great summary from Jessica Aarons at Wonk Room today of what this argument is and why it doesn’t add up:

Conservatives claim that they object to funding Planned Parenthood because it provides abortion services, even though they know that Planned Parenthood is barred from spending any federal money on abortion by a provision known as the Hyde Amendment, as well as numerous other laws. The truth is that they want to cut off funding for family planning services because they oppose contraception as much as they do abortion.

Nevertheless, they assert that funding should be cut because taxpayers are “subsidizing” abortion. Their argument is that money is “fungible,” meaning that every dollar the government gives Planned Parenthood for family planning services, STI and HIV prevention and treatment, and cancer screening “frees up” money for it to spend on abortion care. According to them, mechanisms to segregate public from private funds are mere “accounting gimmicks” and “funding schemes.”

…

However, when it comes to their pet projects, like granting government money to faith-based organizations, they suddenly have every confidence in a recipient’s ability to keep pots of money separate and only use government money for approved uses. For instance, there was no parallel attempt (nor should there have been) during health reform to prevent Catholic-affiliated hospitals and health plans from receiving money under the Affordable Care Act on the theory that it would subsidize their religious activities and violate the Establishment Clause.

Also, hello from Scotland from Jimmah and me! hope everyone is well and having a good morning. We already went out for breakfast and now we’re just hanging around. Hope all is well. What’s shaking?

371 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:33:30am

America is Hazzard County.

372 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:34:05am

re: #371 Gus 802

Rush makes a very good Boss Hogg.

373 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:35:04am

re: #370 iceweasel

In re: original thread topic,
Bachmann Misleads on Abortion

Also, hello from Scotland from Jimmah and me! hope everyone is well and having a good morning. We already went out for breakfast and now we’re just hanging around. Hope all is well. What’s shaking?

Good morning Ice..Just hanging out with Winston waiting for the NBA playoffs to start today

374 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:37:15am

re: #372 iceweasel

Rush makes a very good Boss Hogg.

They all do. But right about now I was thinking along the lines of the FBI. Another dog and pony show for Americans. “See, we’re doing something.” Law enforcement does this all the time. It’s like the cops in NJ and their “big” drug busts — you know, some guy with a bunch of pot plants in his house — which they advertise proudly in the local and states presses. You ever notice how prosecutors tend to look like they’re in the mob themselves?

375 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:37:17am

re: #373 HoosierHoops

Good morning Ice..Just hanging out with Winston waiting for the NBA playoffs to start today

hey hoops! Good morning, give winston a cuddle from me. Good luck with your playoffs! (i know nothing about any sport)

376 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:38:04am

re: #374 Gus 802

They all do. But right about now I was thinking along the lines of the FBI. Another dog and pony show for Americans. “See, we’re doing something.” Law enforcement does this all the time. It’s like the cops in NJ and their “big” drug busts — you know, some guy with a bunch of pot plants in his house — which they advertise proudly in the local and states presses. You ever notice how prosecutors tend to look like they’re in the mob themselves?

One word: Rudy. Yup.

377 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:42:09am

I feel craptastic. The Advil barely worked last night. My neck feels 80 years old.

378 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:42:43am

re: #375 iceweasel

hey hoops! Good morning, give winston a cuddle from me. Good luck with your playoffs! (i know nothing about any sport)

the weather here has been horrible..2 days ago there were tornadoes and yesterday the winds were from 50-60 mph..
Although..I admit watching Winston who is 6 lbs try to take a poop outside in 60mph winds was pretty funny to watch…You can do it winston!

379 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:44:08am

The right hates planned parenthood because it provides services to women that give women autonomy: reproductive freedom, the right to become a mother only when and how we choose to (if we choose to at all). They like to pretend that the left hates Palin because she’s a mother, but truly pro-choice positions support Palin in her choices, including her choice to have Trig.

That’s the truth, but the right parted ways with truth a long time ago.

380 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:44:55am

re: #377 Gus 802

Ugh, I’m really sorry to hear that. Fucking Advil, why doesn’t it work?

381 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:50:22am

re: #380 iceweasel

Ugh, I’m really sorry to hear that. Fucking Advil, why doesn’t it work?

Probably because I take two every day. Works better when I skip a day and suffer one night and then the opposite on the second day. Argh. In other news. I got a little job yesterday which got me some spending money for the next few days. Client I haven’t heard from since October. Then another potential job in Nebraska from someone else I know. And talked to the new store owner down the street. The punch line is that all three are from India so yesterday was my India Day.

382 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:50:30am

re: #376 iceweasel

I’m on my way out for the day, but that one earned a downding. Rudy Guliani has had to battle that mafia smear his whole life and you really shouldn’t ad to it. He made New York far safer than it was before he was elected mayor, and he was a hammer to the mob. Don’t mock him, bless him instead.

BBL

383 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:53:18am

re: #382 Dark_Falcon

I’m on my way out for the day, but that one earned a downding. Rudy Guliani has had to battle that mafia smear his whole life and you really shouldn’t ad to it. He made New York far safer than it was before he was elected mayor, and he was a hammer to the mob. Don’t mock him, bless him instead.

BBL

I’m sorry to offend you, DF, and I should have expanded on that comment. You’re absolutely right that Rudy and other Italian Americans have had to deal with the mob as a smear; however, I had in mind Rudy’s unsavoury connections with Bernard Kerik. Hopefully we’ll talk about it soon.

Have a great day and my apologies again for irritating you.

384 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:54:27am

re: #381 Gus 802

Probably because I take two every day. Works better when I skip a day and suffer one night and then the opposite on the second day. Argh. In other news. I got a little job yesterday which got me some spending money for the next few days. Client I haven’t heard from since October. Then another potential job in Nebraska from someone else I know. And talked to the new store owner down the street. The punch line is that all three are from India so yesterday was my India Day.

Congratulations! I hope this continues and your money worries will be over soon.

385 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:55:24am

This song was playing in my head…

Three Dog Night - Mama Told Me (Not To Come)

Youtube Video

386 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:56:04am

I have a fool proof plan for my money problems.
Bottle caps.
Or that bank down the street…
/
What’s up everyone?

387 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:57:32am

Pretty.

388 RogueOne  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:57:58am

re: #383 iceweasel

Prosecutors should be barred from running for a higher office.

389 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:58:35am

re: #384 iceweasel

Congratulations! I hope this continues and your money worries will be over soon.

Hopefully. But I really need to make a ton of money to get out of my hole. Something beyond “spending money”. I’m still not used to this 3rd world economy we have right now.

390 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 6:58:50am

re: #388 RogueOne

Prosecutors should be barred from running for a higher office.

All of them? Why? (honest question, i think you know more than I about this)

391 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:00:13am

re: #390 iceweasel

All of them? Why? (honest question, i think you know more than I about this)

Perhaps they try…harder for more convictions to pad their credentials to voters?

392 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:02:20am

re: #391 Varek Raith

Perhaps they try…harder for more convictions to pad their credentials to voters?

Convictions. Big fish, little fish. It’s easier to convict the little fish. Hence, the big fish rarely get noticed because they live in the same neighborhood as the prosecutor. Plus, the big fish tend to be crooks legally.

393 RogueOne  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:02:28am

re: #390 iceweasel

It’s the only way to ensure they don’t base their decisions on political gain. I don’t know if the idea is legal or not, or even workable, but since I believe most prosecutors are more concerned with political gain than a determination of justice…I’m willing to try anything.

394 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:02:38am

re: #391 Varek Raith

Perhaps they try…harder for more convictions to pad their credentials to voters?

But that’s true so long as DA itself is by election. Why specifically barred for running for something else? The same reason?

395 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:03:13am

re: #394 iceweasel

But that’s true so long as DA itself is by election. Why specifically barred for running for something else? The same reason?

Good point.
Can o’ worms, I suppose.

396 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:03:14am

Time Has Come Today - Chambers Brothers

Youtube Video

397 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:03:36am

Time Has Come Today - Ramones

Youtube Video

398 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:03:36am

re: #392 Gus 802

Convictions. Big fish, little fish. It’s easier to convict the little fish. Hence, the big fish rarely get noticed because they live in the same neighborhood as the prosecutor. Plus, the big fish tend to be crooks legally.

The big fish make sure there’s a looong food chain between itself and the little fish.

399 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:05:37am

re: #398 iceweasel

The big fish make sure there’s a looong food chain between itself and the little fish.

The church and country club crowd. Cocktail parties. Back in the 60s and 70s they dabbled in swinger parties. It’s like the food pyramid. They’re on top, and we’re on the bottom.

400 RogueOne  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:05:57am

Gotta run folks, enjoy the rest of the day.

401 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:06:31am

re: #400 RogueOne

Gotta run folks, enjoy the rest of the day.

Walking is better on your knees.

/

402 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:11:26am

White Room

We’re an American Band

403 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:17:08am

It’s like a version of The Dark Knight in which the Joker says “I don’t understand you, Batman,” and Batman says, “I don’t think you’ll ever understand, Joker,” and the Joker slouches off to get drunk at the Ebbitt Grill while Batman smiles at his glistening Batmobile.

404 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:18:56am

re: #403 Gus 802

Hey I tweeted that! Great review. Ebert slammed it too.

405 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:19:50am

it is my great regret to inform you that Atlas Shrugged: Part I is neither good nor good-bad, but bad-bad-bad-bad. I dreamed, not of sesame chicken, but of my own swift and merciful death, and that of the director, not necessarily in that order. It is not a pleasurable surprise, not a hoot, nor an outrage; it is Rand’s granite crushed, reconstituted, and spread across the screen with steamrollers.

407 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:23:58am

re: #404 iceweasel

Hey I tweeted that! Great review. Ebert slammed it too.

That’s how I found it. Thought that excerpt was the funniest. I think it’s hilarious how the Randians are all freaking out about that movie being panned. Hey, that’s life right? I mean look at Waterworld. It’s a B-movie produced by some small outfit called Rocky Mountain Pictures out of SLC.

408 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:24:39am

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Sharron Angle rallies Tea Party supporters, breaks into song (video)

Oh look! A gathering of dweebs.

409 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:24:39am

Here in the UK, we have our homophobic winguts too. But we do our best to shame them as appropriate:

littlegreenfootballs.com

410 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:25:41am

re: #407 Gus 802

That’s how I found it. Thought that excerpt was the funniest. I think it’s hilarious how the Randians are all freaking out about that movie being panned. Hey, that’s life right? I mean look at Waterworld. It’s a B-movie produced by some small outfit called Rocky Mountain Pictures out of SLC.

I’m going to have to look at the glowing reviews for it (e.g. Breitblart). BTW, Jimmah tells me that the Randroids are all over Rotten Tomatoes frantically updinging it.

411 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:27:05am

re: #408 Gus 802

Oh look! A gathering of dweebs.

MOst of the Tea party event I’ve seen have about 10-20 people. Palin might draw a couple hundred but I’m pretty sure the Tea Party is over.

412 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:27:10am

re: #410 iceweasel

I’m going to have to look at the glowing reviews for it (e.g. Breitblart). BTW, Jimmah tells me that the Randroids are all over Rotten Tomatoes frantically updinging it.

Sounds like the Paulians. Same species though.

413 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:29:38am

re: #403 Gus 802

It’s like a version of The Dark Knight in which the Joker says “I don’t understand you, Batman,” and Batman says, “I don’t think you’ll ever understand, Joker,” and the Joker slouches off to get drunk at the Ebbitt Grill while Batman smiles at his glistening Batmobile.

check out the fanboi shenanigans evident over at Rotten Tomatoes:

rottentomatoes.com

critics rating: 5% ‘audeince’ rating: 81%

414 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:30:02am

re: #411 Killgore Trout

MOst of the Tea party event I’ve seen have about 10-20 people. Palin might draw a couple hundred but I’m pretty sure the Tea Party is over.

Or until Dick Armey whips up another large gathering. They didn’t do very well in the last election — Sharron Angle being one of their losses. Rick Scott isn’t getting good reviews in Florida. And, they’ve been severely castrated by the realities of the House.

415 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:30:34am

re: #413 Jimmah

check out the fanboi shenanigans evident over at Rotten Tomatoes:

[Link: www.rottentomatoes.com…]

critics rating: 5% ‘audeince’ rating: 81%

That’s a lot of Cheetos.

416 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:32:14am

re: #415 Gus 802

That’s a lot of Cheetos.

A lot of orange stained fingers frantically banging away at keyboards…

417 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:34:01am

re: #413 Jimmah

check out the fanboi shenanigans evident over at Rotten Tomatoes:

[Link: www.rottentomatoes.com…]

critics rating: 5% ‘audeince’ rating: 81%

And 99 and 44/100ths of that “audience” didn’t even watch the movie. No doubt that they’re all a bunch of new members at Rotten Tomatoes. They’ll just upding Atlas Shrugged and never go back to Rotten Tomatoes again. Dweebs.

418 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:34:05am

Apologies for any mispellings particularly those words involving the letter ‘c’. (The ‘c’ button on my keyboard no longer works following a coffee spill the other week. I’m having to copy my c’s and paste them manually into the words after typing.) This is why I’ve not been posting so much lately (that, and the new job).

419 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:35:36am

re: #417 Gus 802

And 99 and 44/100ths of that “audience” didn’t even watch the movie. No doubt that they’re all a bunch of new members at Rotten Tomatoes. They’ll just upding Atlas Shrugged and never go back to Rotten Tomatoes again. Dweebs.

Just like the short bus people that registered at The Guardian to partake in the circle jerk-fest after Charles wrote an article there.

420 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:37:12am

re: #417 Gus 802

And 99 and 44/100ths of that “audience” didn’t even watch the movie. No doubt that they’re all a bunch of new members at Rotten Tomatoes. They’ll just upding Atlas Shrugged and never go back to Rotten Tomatoes again. Dweebs.

Yep. And no doubt they’ll use the disparity between the critics and ‘audience’ reception as evidence of the evil elite liberal conspiracy against the ideas of their prophet.

421 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:37:41am

VIDEO: Rick Santorum Says He Has ‘Nothing To Do’ With His Own Campaign Slogan

Yesterday, I caught up with former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) after a town hall he hosted in Henniker, NH. Earlier that day, he announced his presidential run and unveiled his campaign slogan, “Fighting to make America America again.” ThinkProgress’ Ian Millhiser was quick to point out that “this eloquent turn of phrase” was actually “borrowed from the title of a pro-union, pro-racial justice, and pro-immigrant poem written by Harlem Renaissance poet Langston Hughes — ‘Let America Be America Again.’”

I asked Santorum about the campaign slogan, which was already plastered at the front of the room under the official Santorum campaign posters. Santorum at first distanced himself from it, claiming “I had nothing to do with that.” Asked for a clarification, the former senator laughed and added that his campaign staff “didn’t inform” him about the origin of the phrase. However, Santorum said he has read “some” poems by Hughes:


heh.

422 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:40:20am

It would be great if someone infiltrated Santorum’s staff to pick that slogan. (although I’m sure that didn’t happen). Reminds me of Dan Savage with the flu going around that guy’s campaign office licking the staplers and sneezing on doorknobs.

423 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:41:20am

re: #420 Jimmah

Yep. And no doubt they’ll use the disparity between the critics and ‘audience’ reception as evidence of the evil elite liberal conspiracy against the ideas of their prophet.

And it’s still just a movie. Why don’t they start with reading the book in the first place? Of course, “reading is teh hard”. Most all movies never represent a book correctly. Otherwise, they’re just “siding” with this movie because it’s the right [wing] thing to do. I’m still trying to put my finger on this since Ayn Rand was a “super atheist” which is in stark contrast to the overwhelmingly theocratic visions of the rest of the modern right-wing movement.

424 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:43:54am

Movies and books often differ and for the better because of the nature of the medium. Like the Shining, book vs movie. Movie very different from the book, reportedly Stephen King hated the Kubrick film, but both IMO are classics.

425 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:48:20am

re: #408 Gus 802

Oh look! A gathering of dweebs.

What’s the collective noun for that? A dweeble of dweebs? Like a murder of crows?

426 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:49:41am

re: #423 Gus 802

And it’s still just a movie. Why don’t they start with reading the book in the first place? Of course, “reading is teh hard”. Most all movies never represent a book correctly. Otherwise, they’re just “siding” with this movie because it’s the right [wing] thing to do. I’m still trying to put my finger on this since Ayn Rand was a “super atheist” which is in stark contrast to the overwhelmingly theocratic visions of the rest of the modern right-wing movement.

Yeah, it’s like the main thing they take from Rand is the desire to dicsredit altruism and cooperation in the political sphere; they can live with religious maniacs as long as they are agreed with them on that point.

427 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:50:00am

Perhaps these bible thumping Tea Party people can actually listen to what Ayn Rand had to say?

Youtube Video

The cognitive dissonance is thick with this crowd.

428 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:56:14am

re: #426 Jimmah

Yeah, it’s like the main thing they take from Rand is the desire to dicsredit altruism and cooperation in the political sphere; they can live with religious maniacs as long as they are agreed with them on that point.

Pseudo “Randians” in which they’re objectivists up to a certain point. So everything boils down to sound bites and self-identification and thus we have people walking around the USA calling themselves objectivists or Randians without really adhering to much of anything or having studied (or read) anything. Everything is based on what they read on a blog — “I am John Galt”. To be honest this sounds like typical American behavior.

429 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:58:12am

re: #421 iceweasel

I bet he’s read a few by Whitman, too:

Sullen and suffering hours! (I am ashamed—but it is useless—I am what I am;)
Hours of my torment—I wonder if other men ever have the like, out of the like feelings?
Is there even one other like me—distracted—his friend, his lover, lost to him?

Look, Walt invented emotions!

430 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:58:16am

re: #427 Gus 802

Perhaps these bible thumping Tea Party people can actually listen to what Ayn Rand had to say?

[Video]The cognitive dissonance is thick with this crowd.

You gotta wonder at the mangled braincrash that must exist inside Pamela Geller’s head, naming Rand as her hero while railing Glenn Beck style against atheists.

431 Political Atheist  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:59:26am

re: #13 Floral Giraffe

That so needs to happen.

432 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:00:04am

Ta ta for now, folks.

433 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:00:29am

re: #430 Jimmah

You gotta wonder at the mangled braincrash that must exist inside Pamela Geller’s head, naming Rand as her hero while railing Glenn Beck style against atheists.

Yep. And Newt Gingrich. Remember now. It will be the secular — read atheist Americans — that will bring about the American Islamist state! When they’re not cheering Rand they’re blaming most of America’s ills on secular progressives (O’Reilly).

434 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:04:53am

re: #428 Gus 802

Pseudo “Randians” in which they’re objectivists up to a certain point. So everything boils down to sound bites and self-identification and thus we have people walking around the USA calling themselves objectivists or Randians without really adhering to much of anything or having studied (or read) anything. Everything is based on what they read on a blog — “I am John Galt”. To be honest this sounds like typical American behavior.

I’m pretty sure American Libertarianism is fairly unique to this country. The Libertarian movement has been a dumping ground of bad ideas, revisionist history and conspiracy theories for almost 100 years. It really doesn’t have much to do with the textbook definition of libertarian.

435 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:06:16am

re: #434 Killgore Trout

I’m pretty sure American Libertarianism is fairly unique to this country. The Libertarian movement has been a dumping ground of bad ideas, revisionist history and conspiracy theories for almost 100 years. It really doesn’t have much to do with the textbook definition of libertarian.

Yeah. “Legalize pot and ban abortion.” Your typical faux-libertarian of today.

436 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:10:02am

World’s Healthiest Thieves Pull Off Huge Vegetable Heist


Last month, a gang of thieves stole six tractor-trailer loads of tomatoes and a truck full of cucumbers from Florida growers. They also stole a truckload of frozen meat. The total value of the illegal haul: about $300,000

The thieves had bided their time until the price of tomatoes skyrocketed following a freeze in Mexico. Then they set up a fake trucking company and and loaded up on hot veggies.

437 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:12:03am

re: #435 Gus 802

Yeah. “Legalize pot and ban abortion.” Your typical faux-libertarian of today.

Invoking state’s right to legalize racial discrimination and teaching Christian theology in science class.

438 Winny Spencer  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:16:44am

re: #437 Killgore Trout

Invoking state’s right to legalize racial discrimination and teaching Christian theology in science class.

Their canon seems to consist of those Ron Paul newsletters from back in the day.

439 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:20:18am

BIAW

440 Lidane  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:25:47am

re: #337 Slumbering Behemoth

I was really looking forward to seeing the origin story of my childhood hero. The last remnant of my inner child died a miserable death the day I watched that piece of crap.

I wanted to walk out of the theater when all the talk of midichlorians started. As soon as the Jedi went from sci-fi Japanese samurai to genetic freaks, I lost all interest in what was going on.

I forced myself to watch the other two films just to see how badly Lucas was going to destroy my childhood. It wasn’t pretty.

441 Lidane  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:26:49am

re: #345 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

“Wait, Darth Vader made C-3P0? WTF?”

Which puts a whole new spin on the times when C-3PO thanks The Maker. Heh.

442 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:34:38am

Revan >>> Vader

443 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:43:15am

New arrest over Anonymous’ pro-WikiLeaks attacks

Police have made a sixth arrest in their investigation of Anonymous, the online activist collective that launched a series of cyber attacks on major firms it saw as anti-WikiLeaks.
444 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:53:57am

re: #367 Tigger2005

So, I had one of those 18 month free financing plans from Best Buy, but things didn’t work out with my paying roommate the way I’d hoped & I was facing getting charged for the deferred interest. I asked my wingnut bro for some help, said I’d gladly sign a contract with him to pay him back. He decided there was no way he was going to do that without humiliating me. First he wanted me to bring the TV, dvd player, and laptop I bought at Best Buy over for him to keep until I finished paying him. He relented when I told him I was getting a larger tax refund than I thought and that I could pay him back right away with that. But then he created a new condition, I had to stop posting “dumb” stuff about Republicans and the Tea Party on Facebook because he doesn’t loan money to “commies.”

I brought this up with my stepmom and she said she and my dad would lend me the money. Once it’s in the bank and I’ve transmitted the money (hehe) I’m going to tell my brother where he can go. Something along the lines of “Interesting how you can’t refute my comments about the GOP/Tea Party with facts and reason so you try to shut me up with threats.”

I might still “agree” with his conditions for a while. I’ll tell him I’ll just post links to articles about Republicans and Tea Partiers doing and saying dumb things, completely without comment, opinion or “spin” from me.

I had something similar happen with an author I was writing with. They made it clear that as long as I worked for them (we were partners) I would not post my political opinions on line. If I had to, they would read them first and decide whether I could do so or not.

It was my first real intimation of how far the Right in America had gone off the rails.

445 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:54:37am

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Sharron Angle rallies Tea Party supporters, breaks into song (video)

If Apophis actually strikes, it’s fair to think of the event as the Great Galactic Facepalm of 2029.

446 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:59:19am

Live stream of Palin’s Wisconsin Derp party…
channel3000.com

447 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:05:54am

Beware the squirrels

448 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:20:04am

re: #446 Killgore Trout

Live stream of Palin’s Wisconsin Derp party…
[Link: www.channel3000.com…]

what’s happening?

449 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:34:04am

re: #448 Stanley Sea

what’s happening?

What else. Some redneck anti-union rally where Sarah Palin will be a speaker. Ironic given that her douche bag husband was/is in a union. Don’t know who bankrolled this rally or her speaking engagement. I seriously doubt she went there for free.

450 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:36:55am

re: #448 Stanley Sea

what’s happening?

This, or something essentially indistinguishable.

451 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:38:18am

re: #446 Killgore Trout

Live stream of Palin’s Wisconsin Derp party…
[Link: www.channel3000.com…]

Are they pelting her with cheese curds yet?

452 blueraven  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:40:41am

re: #448 Stanley Sea

what’s happening?


tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com

Americans for Prosperity (Koch brothers) is organizing busses to the event. Last year’s gathering featured former Republican Gov. Tommy Thompson and others.


They cant afford for this one to be a dud. This will probably be a fairly good crowd. They have spent good money for this event.

453 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:42:01am

Why do you hate Sarah Palin!!11??ty

454 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:45:34am

re: #453 Gus 802

Why do you hate Sarah Palin!!11??ty

It was a special two-fer deal when I signed up to hate America.

/What? Commies can’t value shop?

455 blueraven  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:48:52am

Saw a tea Party sign at the rally

I Dont Drink Koolaid, I Drink Tea Koch

FIFT

456 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:49:15am

re: #454 iceweasel

It was a special two-fer deal when I signed up to hate America.

/What? Commies can’t value shop?

Funny coming from a bunch of mouth breathers that still hate Ted Kennedy as if though he were alive today. And John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Lyndon Johnson, Franklin D. Roosevelt…

457 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:52:15am

I got a hold of Palin’s speech for today. Here’s the transcript:

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And blah. God bless our troops, and God bless America!

//

458 allegro  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:52:55am

re: #457 Gus 802

I got a hold of Palin’s speech for today. Here’s the transcript:

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And blah. God bless our troops, and God bless America!//

Also.

459 blueraven  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:53:17am

re: #458 allegro

Also.

Too

460 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:53:22am

re: #458 allegro

Also.

Furthermore and in conclusion!

461 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:53:24am

Police!

462 allegro  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:53:56am

re: #460 Gus 802

Furthermore and in conclusion!

Too many syllables.

463 Winny Spencer  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:54:58am

Palin has been so utterly eclipsed by Trump and Bachmann that I can only discern one way for her to ascend to wingnut leader again: go birther, and quickly.

464 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:55:16am

re: #462 allegro

Too many syllables.

Multisyllabic.

Enough of this elitist polysyllabicism!

//

465 Lidane  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:55:20am

re: #462 allegro

Too many syllables.

Derp!

466 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:56:07am

re: #465 Lidane

Derp!

Antiderpestablishmentarianism!

467 allegro  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:56:39am

re: #464 Gus 802

elitist polysyllabicism!

I am so stealing that.

468 Winny Spencer  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:57:42am

Are they really playing ‘Born in the USA’?

469 Lidane  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:58:31am

re: #468 Winny Spencer

Are they really playing ‘Born in the USA’?

If they are, they didn’t read the lyrics.

470 blueraven  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:59:23am

re: #469 Lidane

If they are, they didn’t read the lyrics.

What is this “read” you speak of?

471 Lidane  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:00:05am

re: #470 blueraven

What is this “read” you speak of?

It’s something that those pointy-headed intellectuals do, with all their fancy book learnin’ and stuff.

472 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:00:19am

re: #470 blueraven

What is this “read” you speak of?

I think I’m going to start removing the #tcot hashtags from my Tweets. Those people can’t read anyway.

473 allegro  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:00:23am

re: #469 Lidane

If they are, they didn’t read the lyrics.

That’s making a very large, unfair assumption. It’s entirely possible that they are UNABLE to read… the lyrics. Do try to have a bit of compassion.//

Comprehension is a whole ‘nother thing.

474 Winny Spencer  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:01:06am

Could be a bit of pandering to the birthers.

475 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:01:40am

re: #474 Winny Spencer

Could be a bit of pandering to the birthers.

Interesting. Could be, aye?

476 blueraven  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:02:54am

re: #474 Winny Spencer

Could be a bit of pandering to the birthers.

Winning!

477 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:03:01am

re: #468 Winny Spencer

Are they really playing ‘Born in the USA’?

The audio is really low. hard to tell.

478 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:03:07am

Chest beating knuckle draggers.

479 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:04:32am

Looks like a decent crowd, maybe a couple thousand.

480 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:05:08am

re: #479 Killgore Trout

Looks like a decent crowd, maybe a couple thousand.

Liar! It’s at least 100,000!

/

481 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:05:46am

Ah, It looks like a lot of counter protesters in the crowd…
Image: 278167553.jpg

482 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:06:19am

re: #481 Killgore Trout

Ah, It looks like a lot of counter protesters in the crowd…
[Link: s3.amazonaws.com…]

That link doesn’t work for me.

483 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:06:21am

re: #481 Killgore Trout

Ah, It looks like a lot of counter protesters in the crowd…
[Link: s3.amazonaws.com…]

Oops sorry, I meant to like to this…
Image: 278203846.jpg

484 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:07:52am

re: #479 Killgore Trout

Looks like a decent crowd, maybe a couple thousand.

They’ll soon claim to have had more than our 100,000 protesters a couple of weeks ago. Feh. I should go up there, laugh and play this song loudly:

Youtube Video

485 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:07:58am

re: #482 Gus 802

That link doesn’t work for me.

Can you see #483?

486 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:08:28am

re: #485 Killgore Trout

Can you see #483?

Yep. That’s why I updinged it. ;)

487 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:09:04am

re: #486 Gus 802

Yep. That’s why I updinged it. ;)

Ah, ok. Looks like most of the crowd in front of the capitol is pro-union folks.

488 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:13:21am

twitter.com

Wow #teaparty. I expected a few more ppl. I’d say 300-500 teabaggers surrounded by thousands of #wiunion.
1 minute ago via Twitter for iPhone

489 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:15:46am

Poor old useless Allahpundit comments on Jerry Seinfelds comments about the royal wedding farce:

Skip ahead to 2:10 for the most impolitic American observations on the royals since Frank Drebin met “the Queen.” I’m tempted to say that this is the end of the “special relationship,” but Obama’s already killed that. And thanks to Libya, NATO’s headed towards a crack-up anyway. No harm, Jerry, no foul.

Notice how he added a bunch of wingnut bullshit talking points. It’s funny reading Allahpundit’s crap right now. It’s like they gave him a shot of Wingnut Steroids™.

What a loser.

490 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:18:14am

re: #489 Gus 802

Poor old useless Allahpundit comments on Jerry Seinfelds comments about the royal wedding farce:

Notice how he added a bunch of wingnut bullshit talking points. It’s funny reading Allahpundit’s crap right now. It’s like they gave him a shot of Wingnut Steroids™.

What a loser.

I think they had a talk with him. He’s been posting less and less and was probably going to lose his job unless he got on board with the agenda.

491 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:18:24am

I think it’s high time that Allahpundit stopped hiding behind that Islamaphobic pen name.

492 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:19:13am

re: #489 Gus 802

Wingnut Steroids™

I know they’re out there. Usually transmitted over radio waves, administered aurally.

493 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:20:48am

re: #490 Killgore Trout

I think they had a talk with him. He’s been posting less and less and was probably going to lose his job unless he got on board with the agenda.

No doubt. Salem Communications is a right wing Christian outfit. Allahpundit is a confused pseudo-right-wing atheist that’s still living in 2003. That is. He strikes me as one of those born-again-conservatives that “used to be a liberal” before 9/11.

494 reine.de.tout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:26:55am

re: #483 Killgore Trout

Oops sorry, I meant to like to this…
[Link: s3.amazonaws.com…]

Access denied on that link.
???

495 Winny Spencer  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:29:15am

re: #493 Gus 802

Well dissected.

496 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:30:03am

re: #494 reine.de.tout

Access denied on that link.
???

Bummer. Some of the pic links are wonky.

497 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:32:34am

re: #494 reine.de.tout

Access denied on that link.
???

Here’s another pic that should work….
twitpic.com

Most of the crowd in front of the capitol is pro-union folks.

498 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:37:40am

It’s a trap!
Labor protesters surround tea party at Palin rally


Hundreds of pro-union labor supporters are surrounding smaller groups of tea party members waiting for former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to appear outside the Wisconsin Capitol.
499 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:38:21am

Heh. the speaker just thanked to pro union folks for making the crowd look bigger.

500 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:39:27am

re: #460 Gus 802

Furthermore and in conclusion!

I’m behind, stepped away for a phone call, but this one’s for real


“We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. … We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation.” —Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in Greensboro, N.C., Oct. 16, 2008

WISCONSIN!

501 allegro  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:39:35am

re: #498 Killgore Trout

It’s a trap!
Labor protesters thugs

surround

threaten tea party at Palin rally

As reported by Fox

502 allegro  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:41:04am

re: #501 allegro

Whoa. Fail on that one. :/

It’s a trap!
Labor protesters thugs surround threaten tea party at Palin rally

503 blueraven  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:42:26am

OMG they are asking for text msgs to count the people? Nobody would text more than once, right?

504 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:44:00am

re: #457 Gus 802

I got a hold of Palin’s speech for today. Here’s the transcript:

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And blah. God bless our troops, and God bless America!

//

My wife says that can’t be the transcript. She didn’t drop any nirther comments nor did she accuse the President of being a sekrit Kenyan Mooslim. /

505 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:46:13am

re: #500 Stanley Sea

I’m behind, stepped away for a phone call, but this one’s for real

WISCONSIN!

I see she’s still at it. Everyone that agrees with Sarah Palin is “pro-American” hence anyone that disagrees with Sarah Palin would have to be “un-American”. So the message to all of those union workers out there is that they’re un-American. This of course is Sarah Palin’s version of nationalism and reminiscent of the European far-right.

506 zora  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:46:26am

re: #371 Gus 802

in that case i would like to see a line-up of bo dukes. for research purposes, of course.

507 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:48:46am

re: #505 Gus 802

I see she’s still at it. Everyone that agrees with Sarah Palin is “pro-American” hence anyone that disagrees with Sarah Palin would have to be “un-American”. So the message to all of those union workers out there is that they’re un-American. This of course is Sarah Palin’s version of nationalism and reminiscent of the European far-right.

I hate that money grubbing byotch and her stupidity. She set women in politics back 45 years.

ht wrenchwench

508 Winny Spencer  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:49:36am

Running away with GOP primary…..

509 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:50:10am

re: #507 Stanley Sea

I hate that money grubbing byotch and her stupidity. She set women in politics back 45 years.

ht wrenchwench

Why do you hate America?

//

510 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:51:59am

I should try that one of these day. If I’m in a debate and/or argument. “Clearly you must hate America if you disagree with me!” On second thought. Maybe not.

//

511 allegro  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:55:43am

OT: SyFy makes the dumbest movies.

512 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:55:59am

re: #510 Gus 802

I should try that one of these day. If I’m in a debate and/or argument. “Clearly you must hate America if you disagree with me!” On second thought. Maybe not.

//

I tried it, back in the day, when I was a Right wing zombie. Never works as well as advertised.

513 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:57:32am

re: #512 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I tried it, back in the day, when I was a Right wing zombie. Never works as well as advertised.

Clearly then you didn’t love America enough!

//

514 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:59:00am

Don’t argue with me! I have way more Karma points than you.

//

515 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:59:36am

re: #513 Gus 802

Clearly then you didn’t love America enough!

//

No, comrade, apparently not. I shall prepare myself to be sent to the gulag in Wasilla.

516 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:00:12am

re: #507 Stanley Sea

I hate that money grubbing byotch and her stupidity. She set women in politics back 45 years.

ht wrenchwench

Did I say that? I don’t disagree, necessarily, but I don’t remember it either.

517 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:00:42am

re: #515 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

No, comrade, apparently not. I shall prepare myself to be sent to the gulag in Wasilla.

The Gulag Archipalinago?

//

518 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:02:20am

re: #517 Gus 802

The Gulag Archipalinago?

//

Da. Think kindly of me, but be careful not to say so around the commissars. I understand those found to support “terrorists” are quick to find their ways to the gulags as well.

//

519 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:03:24am

re: #518 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Da. Think kindly of me, but be careful not to say so around the commissars. I understand those found to support “terrorists” are quick to find their ways to the gulags as well.

//

What are you in for?

I referenced the Huffington Post and linked to Daily Kos.

Damn, those are serious charges.

//

520 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:03:35am

re: #404 iceweasel

Hey I tweeted that! Great review. Ebert slammed it too.

Hilarious review. Now, I have a question: given that supertrains are currently an obsession of the left, one which George Will considers to show rather unpleasant things about the liberal psyche—um, this movie seems to be all about trains, and how they can save America. I wonder if this will have any sort of impact.

521 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:05:36am

re: #407 Gus 802

That’s how I found it. Thought that excerpt was the funniest. I think it’s hilarious how the Randians are all freaking out about that movie being panned. Hey, that’s life right? I mean look at Waterworld. It’s a B-movie produced by some small outfit called Rocky Mountain Pictures out of SLC.

The country at the time of the film (2016) is in some kind of chaos which is not well explained — the Middle East is in crisis, gas is absurdly expensive, and plane travel is moribund, which somewhat justifies the otherwise perplexing and anachronistic interest in railroads. Poverty is widespread, signified by beggars and trash fires. No attempt is made to tie all this together, but it also suggested that the nation has been given over to sociamalism — the opening montage shows protesters marching with signs touting those twin menaces, Martin Luther King and communism, and the D.C. guys talk about sharing the wealth in ways that have never been heard in Washington, nor anywhere in the United States except perhaps Louisiana in the time of Huey Long. I suppose this is the film’s Tea Party tell, but I notice that it seems not to affect the actions of the principals in any direct way. This is made comically clear when Taggart, dressed in fancy duds, bolts from her brother’s limo and walks home through an urban hobo jungle. I know the filmmakers were in a rush, but I marvel that they resisted the temptation to have Taggart explain her natural superiority to a bum, after which he would cower before the force of her logic instead of raping her and taking her purse.

522 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:06:22am

re: #520 SanFranciscoZionist

Hilarious review. Now, I have a question: given that supertrains are currently an obsession of the left, one which George Will considers to show rather unpleasant things about the liberal psyche—um, this movie seems to be all about trains, and how they can save America. I wonder if this will have any sort of impact.

Supertrains! We don’t want to be like the Europeans!

Shhh! Don’t tell anyone but Ayn Rand was a European.

;)

523 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:08:36am

Atlas Shrugged would have made a better “made-for-TV” miniseries, but for the life of me I can’t think of a major network that would sign on to such lunacy.

524 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:08:40am

re: #407 Gus 802

That’s how I found it. Thought that excerpt was the funniest. I think it’s hilarious how the Randians are all freaking out about that movie being panned. Hey, that’s life right? I mean look at Waterworld. It’s a B-movie produced by some small outfit called Rocky Mountain Pictures out of SLC.

As long as they’re pleased with it. What really sucks is when you care about a book, and the movie is terrible. It sounds as though the movie is basically what the Randians wanted.

525 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:08:53am

Poor Ayn Rand ended up having to utilize Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security.

So much for all of that anti-collectivism.

526 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:10:35am

re: #523 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Atlas Shrugged would have made a better “made-for-TV” miniseries, but for the life of me I can’t think of a major network that would sign on to such lunacy.

HBO could have done it. Atlas Shrugged: The Sopranos Version.

//

Youtube Video

527 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:10:40am

re: #413 Jimmah

check out the fanboi shenanigans evident over at Rotten Tomatoes:

[Link: www.rottentomatoes.com…]

critics rating: 5% ‘audeince’ rating: 81%

Tom Meek: “Not all books should be made into movies, and this is one of them.”

528 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:12:15am

I’ve said before and I’ll say it again, if I want to view all the “wonders” of Randian objectivism, I’ll boot up my 360 and play through Bioshock again.

529 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:14:59am

re: #430 Jimmah

You gotta wonder at the mangled braincrash that must exist inside Pamela Geller’s head, naming Rand as her hero while railing Glenn Beck style against atheists.

‘Atheist’ just means ‘other’ to people like Pam. She also rants against Reform Jews, but you know she ain’t frum.

530 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:15:47am

Unions are threatening to kill people’s pets!

531 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:16:10am

re: #530 Killgore Trout

Unions are threatening to kill people’s pets!

Actual words?

532 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:16:28am

“citizens and their pets are threatened with violence!”

533 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:16:47am

re: #532 Killgore Trout

“citizens and their pets are threatened with violence!”

*head desk*

534 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:17:17am

Who the )$(*%$( ate all of the gabagool?!

//

535 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:17:34am

re: #531 Gus 802

actual quote in 523! The speaker is blowing out her vocal chords trying to shout over the counter protesters.

536 Winny Spencer  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:19:32am

We want to see the quitter from Wasilla.

537 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:19:38am

re: #525 Gus 802

Poor Ayn Rand ended up having to utilize Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security.

So much for all of that anti-collectivism.

Yes, but you know, she was a producer of wealth, so she was entitled…wait…she did produce wealth, right?

538 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:21:34am

More wine is poured and sipped in this film than at a convention of oenophiliacs. There are conversations in English after which I sometimes found myself asking, “What did they just say?” The dialogue seems to have been ripped throbbing with passion from the pages of Investors’ Business Daily. Much of the excitement centers on the tensile strength of steel.

539 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:22:55am

There is also a love scene, which is shown not merely from the waist up but from the ears up. The man keeps his shirt on. This may be disappointing for libertarians, who I believe enjoy rumpy-pumpy as much as anyone.

540 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:23:35am

I guess I can understand why they aimed for a limited release. They’d absolutely ruin themselves if they went for a general release, and at least with a limited release they can aim at the hives of objectivism that will ensure at least a mediocre return on their investment.

541 122 Year Old Obama  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:26:05am

re: #535 Killgore Trout

But will blowing out her vocal chords keep the idiotic bubblehead from yapping on?

542 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:28:56am

Objectivism is a cult. Ayn Rand is their cult figure.

543 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:30:09am

re: #542 Gus 802

Objectivism is a cult. Ayn Rand is their cult figure.

And the social safety net seems to be their ritual sacrifice this time around.

544 Winny Spencer  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:34:09am

Breitdouche now speaking.

545 Gus  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:34:35am

re: #543 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And the social safety net seems to be their ritual sacrifice this time around.

All true and good Objectivists must be willing to sacrifice their lives or health in order serve out the cause of anti-collectivism.

//

The irony is the objectivism has become a collective. Somehow this reminds me a bit of anarchists.

546 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:39:36am

re: #545 Gus 802

All true and good Objectivists must be willing to sacrifice their lives or health in order serve out the cause of anti-collectivism.

//

The irony is the objectivism has become a collective. Somehow this reminds me a bit of anarchists.

You mean the anarchists who create organizations, command structures, and so forth? Yeah, it’s about as hilarious as the “small government” types who scream bloody murder if you suggest that they should go without Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security.

547 KingKenrod  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:40:07am

re: #545 Gus 802

All true and good Objectivists must be willing to sacrifice their lives or health in order serve out the cause of anti-collectivism.

//

The irony is the objectivism has become a collective. Somehow this reminds me a bit of anarchists.

People naturally seek safety through collective action. If govt doesn’t provide a fair, stable, democratic means of doing that, people seek safety by gathering into competing tribal groups based on common interests - race, religion, class. This does not seem like a good thing to me.

548 unrememberable  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 4:52:42am

re: #16 b_sharp

OK.

Fuck you.

Would it be unfair to draw any inference from the fact that one of the highest rated comments on this thread is one consisting of the two words F.U.?

549 wrenchwench  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 1:47:44pm

re: #548 unrememberable

Would it be unfair to draw any inference from the fact that one of the highest rated comments on this thread is one consisting of the two words F.U.?

It would, if only because that is not one of the highest rated comments on this thread.

550 unrememberable  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 4:19:20pm

re: #549 wrenchwench

It would, if only because that is not one of the highest rated comments on this thread.

It is more popular than over 500 out of 549 comments on this thread, putting it in the top decile. So it’s definitely one of the higher rated.

551 wrenchwench  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 5:13:15pm

re: #550 unrememberable

It is more popular than over 500 out of 549 comments on this thread, putting it in the top decile. So it’s definitely one of the higher rated.

In # 548 you said “one of the highest”. Is that the same thing as “one of the higher? I think not.

552 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 5:39:51pm

re: #548 unrememberable

Would it be unfair to draw any inference from the fact that one of the highest rated comments on this thread is one consisting of the two words F.U.?

The inference you should draw is that there are much better ways to spend your time.

553 Stephen T.  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:08:57pm

re: #358 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now what they need to do is let someone make a real Judge Dredd movie, get someone like Kevin McKidd to play Dredd, then put him up against Ralph Fiennes as Judge Death.

They are making a newer Judge Dread movie. Not with your cast though:

Dread 2012


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