Pat Metheny and Charlie Haden: Is This America?
Pat Metheny wrote this beautiful piece for the people of New Orleans. Yes, that’s Bill Clinton with Elvis Costello, listening on the side of the stage.
Youtube Video
Pat Metheny wrote this beautiful piece for the people of New Orleans. Yes, that’s Bill Clinton with Elvis Costello, listening on the side of the stage.
Youtube Video1 | What, me worry? Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:17:45pm |
Lovely, melancholy.
Yes, that’s Bill Clinton with Elvis Costello, listening on the side of the stage.
Not surprising about Bill. He's a fine musician on his own.
2 | Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:25:04pm |
4 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:29:59pm |
British guitarist plays American-flavored guitar music? UN-POSSIBLE!
I will stone-cold shank a bitch who disses Adrian Legg. Rawr.
5 | Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:30:48pm |
America
6 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:31:08pm |
re: #4 negativ
Could you just leave snarky comments on youtube instead? The carpets, you see...
7 | What, me worry? Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:31:45pm |
re: #2 Killgore Trout
Coming from the man who sang Young Americans? Not that I ever understood Bowie's early stuff. I was a big fan in the 70s, but more that it was fun to sing.
9 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:35:26pm |
I wish I knew where my Cat Overlord put my audio so I could listen . . .
10 | Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:35:49pm |
re: #7 marjoriemoon
Coming from the man who sang Young Americans? Not that I ever understood Bowie's early stuff. I was a big fan in the 70s, but more that it was fun to sing.
Even those who may not like him, you have to admit that he successfully reincarnated himself over the years. his career has been pretty remarkable.
11 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:37:10pm |
Those of you who grow weed, guess what? You all are causing Global Warming!
ENERGY UP IN SMOKE
THE CARBON FOOTPRINT OF INDOOR CANNABIS PRODUCTION
Evan Mills, Ph.D.
(note...it's a .pdf file)
12 | Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:37:33pm |
America
13 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:38:25pm |
re: #6 EmmmieG
No, don't think I can. The carpets were clean when I got here; it's hardly my fault that you came along later and drained your innumerable orifices indiscriminately.
14 | What, me worry? Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:38:34pm |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
Even those who may not like him, you have to admit that he successfully reincarnated himself over the years. his career has been pretty remarkable.
Oh I adore him. Not that particular piece, but that's ok. As far as I'm concerned, he was the first punk. No one was dying their hair orange before him.
15 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:40:15pm |
re: #13 negativ
No, don't think I can. The carpets were clean when I got here; it's hardly my fault that you came along later and drained your innumerable orifices indiscriminately.
Innumerable? I'm a sieve?
16 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:41:37pm |
re: #15 EmmmieG
No, wait, even a sieve's orifices can be counted. I'm stumped, now.
17 | What, me worry? Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:42:24pm |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
Even those who may not like him, you have to admit that he successfully reincarnated himself over the years. his career has been pretty remarkable.
He started out very dark. Man Who Sold the World was full of war, death references. Perfect for perpetually depressed teens :)
He got a bit cheerier when he got more popular.
18 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:45:12pm |
he was the first punk. No one was dying their hair orange before him.
WELL what statement could POSSIBLY be more profound than dying one's hair orange?
19 | Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:46:12pm |
re: #17 marjoriemoon
He started out very dark. Man Who Sold the World was full of war, death references. Perfect for perpetually depressed teens :)
He got a bit cheerier when he got more popular.
He got a bit cheerier when he got more popular. wealthy
/How could you not?
21 | Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:47:46pm |
America
22 | What, me worry? Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:48:44pm |
re: #19 Killgore Trout
He got a bit cheerier when he got more
popular.wealthy
/How could you not?
Indeed!
I always felt, too, that Bowie spawned the Black Funk movement in style anyway. The glittery jumpsuits, funky hair, makeup and accessories. Of course, the influence for all that was Elvis (minus the funky hair and makeup).
It all gets recycled into something new heh
23 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:49:18pm |
re: #19 Killgore Trout
He got a bit cheerier when he got more
popular.wealthy, clean and sober.
/How could you not?
ftfy
24 | Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:49:23pm |
Life On Mars?
25 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:49:59pm |
ziggy played guitar . . .
time lights a cigarette . .
wish I could hear it.
26 | What, me worry? Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:51:46pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
One of my favs. He had a run of gold and platinum records at that time. What was that from? Hunky Dory? I think that was plat.
28 | Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:55:43pm |
re: #26 marjoriemoon
One of my favs. He had a run of gold and platinum records at that time. What was that from? Hunky Dory? I think that was plat.
If you check liner notes I don;t think lou Reed ever had a hit without Bowie producing for him. It's all from the same era and you can spot it once you start listening for it.
29 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:55:44pm |
That nasty wench Helen Thomas comes out of her hole and makes an appearance...
Helen Thomas was invited to speak at an event sponsored by the Middle Eastern Students Association at Loyola University Chicago. This event was part of the group's Palestine Awareness week, better known as Israel Apartheid Week.
Part of her speech:
"The Israelis are ruthless and not only have they been, they have been allowed to be the cause of support of America. American Presidents are afraid to say no to Israelis. It is political suicide. Especially if you are running again, which of course Obama is.Only President Carter had been brave enough, courageous enough, to take them on; against their brutal oppression of the Palestinians. The bottom line is you can’t take what doesn’t belong to you.
For all the military might and all the nuclear arsenal, the Israelis live in fear, there is no question about that, and even more so now because of the Arab uprising all over. They hate that, I’m sure, because they have always false thought that they would be the only Democracy in the Middle East. What kind of democracy makes most of the citizens oppressed and not citizens, lower class, taking their land, taking their homes, killing their children? Now, I think I should lighten up, don’t you?
I’ve always assumed that President Obama would be liberal because he’s black. What a false assumption that was."
How nasty she is.
30 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:56:39pm |
re: #29 NJDhockeyfan
That nasty wench Helen Thomas comes out of her hole and makes an appearance...
[Video]Part of her speech:
How nasty she is.
"I’ve always assumed that President Obama would be liberal because he’s black. What a false assumption that was."
Class-ay.
31 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:57:15pm |
re: #30 SanFranciscoZionist
"I’ve always assumed that President Obama would be liberal because he’s black. What a false assumption that was."
Class-ay.
Yeah, I picked that out right away, too.
Because, you know, you can tell how a person thinks and feels by the amount of melanin in their skin.
32 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:05:29pm |
re: #31 EmmmieG
Yeah, I picked that out right away, too.
Because, you know, you can tell how a person thinks and feels by the amount of melanin in their skin.
"I didn't listen to his speeches, and I didn't ask for his opinions. I just held a brown paper bag up to the candidate and said, 'Yeah, he'll do.'"
/Helen Thomas gets honest
33 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:05:56pm |
Actor Nicolas Cage arrested in New Orleans
NEW ORLEANS – Actor Nicolas Cage was arrested after he got drunk in the city's French Quarter and argued in the street with his wife over whether a house they were in front of was theirs, police said Saturday.The couple was in front of a home that Cage insisted they were renting, police said. When she said it wasn't theirs, Cage grabbed her arm, according to a police news release.
Cage started hitting vehicles and tried to get into a taxi, police said. An officer saw that Cage was drunk and told him to get out of the cab. Cage then started yelling at the officer.
The actor has been booked on charges of domestic abuse battery, disturbing the peace and public drunkenness. He was released on $11,000 bond Saturday.
34 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:11:09pm |
35 | Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:14:38pm |
re: #34 Conservative Moonbat
His life has turned into a bad movie, starring Nicholas Cage.
Nick Cage and Charlie Sheen should do a buddy movie about being chased across the country by Mel Gibson. I might pay to see that.
36 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:17:39pm |
Someone else hates NJ Nazis too...
4 hurt, 2 arrested after brawl between Nazis and antiracists in Pemberton Borough
PEMBERTON BOROUGH — A clash between neo-Nazis and members of an antiracist organization Friday evening left four Nazis in the hospital and prompted two arrests, according to the New Jersey State Police.
37 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:18:12pm |
Gaddafi is now confirmed to be using Child Soldiers. From Daily Telegraph:
By Ben Farmer, Misurata
The teenagers are told they are going on training exercises until they reach the front lines, when they are given rifles and told by officers they will be shot if they retreat or desert.
Two badly-wounded teenage fighters shown to The Daily Telegraph said they were told Misurata had been overrun by drug addicts, Islamic militants and Egyptian invaders.
One said his own side had opened fire on his own teenage detachment when they later fled from the rebels.
In the past week, the conscripts have been thrust into fighting along the strategic “heavy road” connecting the Benghazi to Tripoli highway with the commercial port ten miles away at Ghasr Ahmad.
A handful of fishing boats reaching the port from Libyan Benghazi are the rebels’ only link with revolutionaries in the east and Gaddafi’s forces are trying to cut the port from central Misurata.
Umran, a 17-year-old from near Tripoli, said he had spent two years at a military school only to leave and work in a shop in November.
He was recalled to barracks “for more training” as soon as the February 17 uprising began and kept for 40 days without access to the radio or television.
He said: “I was given a rifle and we were told we were going to shoot targets on an exercise. Then we found ourselves in Misurata. There were 90 of us, aged 15 to 19.
“We were told we had to cleanse Misurata. There were invaders from Egypt and we had to fight against them.” “We said we didn’t want any part in it and requested to leave. They refused and some tried to run off and officers fired on them.” Those who stayed were reassured 500 reinforcements were on their way, though these never arrived.
He's desperate to do this. In any case, both Britain and Qatar are supplying the rebels (Britain giving out Body Armor, Qatar giving out weapons). In addition, the nations of Britain, France, Denmark, and Norway are giving Gaddafi and his men hell through airstrikes.
38 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:21:33pm |
re: #37 ProLifeLiberal
In addition, Sweden, for only the third time (I think) since the Napoleonic Wars, has deployed their military outside of the nation, in order to enforce the No-Fly Zone. The other two times were Bosnia and Kosovo.
39 | BenghaziHoops Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:22:56pm |
re: #35 Killgore Trout
Nick Cage and Charlie Sheen should do a buddy movie about being chased across the country by Mel Gibson. I might pay to see that.
When Jordan and his Marine platoon got back from Iraq we all rented a beachhouse in Oceanside.. everybody knew no matter what time it was where we were on the beach...
And nicky baby..You should have messed with the boys drunk in front of the house..Cause they would have kicked the ever living fuck out of you Hollywood boy..
Go Marines!
40 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:27:44pm |
Bad News from Finland: That nation's equivalent of the Tea Party is may get 15% of the vote in Today's (17th) election. The party is called True Finns. There is a collapse in support of most part parties, with only the Left Alliance and Green League gaining support, aside from the aforementioned near-fascists.
41 | Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:37:58pm |
Atlas Shrugged Movie Scene: Dagny Taggart Confronts the Union
42 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:44:32pm |
'Officer in N. Command warns Hezbollah commanders'
According to a report in the London-based Al-Hayyat Arabic-language newspaper Saturday, a senior officer in the IDF's Northern Command sent a warning to 150 Hezbollah commanders in southern Lebanon against firing rockets into Israel, Israel Radio reported.
In his message, the unnamed officer in the Northern Command warned Hezbollah commanders that if they fire one rocket into Israeli territory that they will face a harsh response, according to the report.
Addressing Hezbollah's use of civilian areas in southern Lebanon as cover for its activities, the message warned that if a rocket is fired from a house or other building, the launch site would be immediately destroyed.
43 | prairiefire Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:47:20pm |
re: #41 Killgore Trout
Atlas Shrugged Movie Scene: Dagny Taggart Confronts the Union
[Video]
Looks like this sums it up nicely.
/Namaste, y;all
Part 1??!? Gah, there has to be more?
44 | simoom Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:54:00pm |
I'm really starting to think Trump's "Hawaii investigators" are just trolling through the WND archives and feeding it back to their boss. He's now added the born 'Barry Soetero' crap, that perhaps he's hiding that he was born a Muslim, that his Kenyan Grandmother had "Obama handlers" in the room that made her refute the truth, to all the rest of his litany of WND birther BS:
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
During the Hannity interview, Hannity and Trump speculated that Obama's real birth certificate might contain information he does not want the public to see, such as information stating that he was a Muslim. Trump then segued into questioning Obama's whole background.
"Look, he was born 'Barry Soetero.' Somewhere along the line, he changed his name," said Trump -- referring to the surname of Obama's mother's second husband, Lolo Soetoro, whom she married four years after Obama was born. "I heard he had terrible marks, and he ends up in Harvard. He wrote a book that was better than Ernest Hemingway, but the second book was written by an average person."
"You suspect Bill Ayers?" said Hannity.
"I said, Bill Ayers wrote the book," Trump replied.
Trump also added during the discussion: "He was best friends with Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers was a super-genius. And a lot of people have said he wrote the book. Well recently, as you know last week, Bill Ayers came out and said he did write the book."
"Barack Obama wouldn't be president -- and, you know, I wrote many best sellers, and also, number one bestsellers including The Art of the Deal. So I know something about writing. And I want to tell you, the guy that wrote the first book didn't write the second book [The Audacity of Hope]. Obama made a big mistake when he wrote the second book. Because the second book was not Ernest Hemingway, it was about 37 classes below. So, the first book is Ernest Hemingway-plus. The second book was written by somebody that was much more average."
I suppose the whole Orly Taitz, Obama-has-39-Social-Security-numbers, won't be long off now.
I know many think the opposite, but I really have to imagine that since it's extremely unlikely Trump will be the nominee, his injecting daily Birther rhetoric into the media will have to have an effect on some independent voters. Will the eventual nominee really suffer net negative consequences for Trump's actions?... or will they ultimately benefit from parts of the electorate who are infected with suspicions of illegitimacy and cover-up (which may only be enhanced if the DoJ ends up challenging the AZ Birther law)?
I'd be interested in seeing some polling of whether Bither sentiment has spread among independents over the last month.
45 | Irenicum Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:56:54pm |
re: #44 simoom
To put it rather succinctly, Trump is NOT smart. He's an abject idiot. He proves it every day.
46 | prairiefire Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:59:56pm |
re: #44 simoom
Yeah, I would too. I doubt that it's taken off with the I's.
47 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:00:40pm |
re: #44 simoom
"I heard he had terrible marks, and he ends up in Harvard. He wrote a book that was better than Ernest Hemingway, but the second book was written by an average person."
First, "Dreams of My Father" was better than Hemingway? By what possible standard?
Also, Bill Ayers is a better writer than Hemingway?
Why do I doubt that?
48 | Irenicum Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:04:43pm |
A great song I love called Something Inside My Head.
You may not like rap or hip hop, but the lyrics are brilliant.
49 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:06:12pm |
re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist
"I heard he had terrible marks, and he ends up in Harvard. He wrote a book that was better than Ernest Hemingway, but the second book was written by an average person."
First, "Dreams of My Father" was better than Hemingway? By what possible standard?
Also, Bill Ayers is a better writer than Hemingway?
Why do I doubt that?
Also, if Ayers wrote the first book for Obama, as part of a devious plan to make him president ('cause we always vote for the guy who wrote an interesting memoir), why didn't he write the second book for him?
50 | simoom Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:08:13pm |
re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist
And I'm also guessing the chances that Trump actually read the President's books is somewhere around his chances of fooling anyone with his double comb-over.
52 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:12:24pm |
re: #48 Irenicum
A great song I love called Something Inside My Head.
[Video]You may not like rap or hip hop, but the lyrics are brilliant.
Lovely. I've never heard this guy before.
53 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:13:08pm |
re: #50 simoom
And I'm also guessing the chances that Trump actually read the President's books is somewhere around his chances of fooling anyone with his double comb-over.
What are the odds that Trump has read anything by Hemingway since high school?
54 | freetoken Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:13:24pm |
re: #51 Irenicum
I'm still waiting for Trump's hair's birth certificate.
I think it started life as a beaver.
55 | prairiefire Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:15:34pm |
re: #48 Irenicum
A great song I love called Something Inside My Head.
[Video]You may not like rap or hip hop, but the lyrics are brilliant.
Hey! We got our tickets for the trip to Conn. I plan on eating my way around Long Island Sound.
56 | Irenicum Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:16:47pm |
re: #54 freetoken
I decided he needs this campaign slogan: Hair Today, Gone Tomorrow!
57 | simoom Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:17:18pm |
Vanity Fair: Shocking Truth Behind Donald Trump’s Hair Revealed?
My baldly-stated thesis: this could be evidence of a rarely-sighted, possibly unprecedented “double comb-over.” It looks as if a length of hair growing from the part on the left side of Trump’s pate has been combed left-to-right over the crown of his head, while a second length of hair, growing from the back of his head, has been combed back-to-front over the first length of hair. Salon-strength hair products likely play a role in the final construction of this lattice-like structure—which could also explain the “ship’s prow” look one sometimes sees in side views of Trump.Granted, there could be other explanations for the cross-hatching in Trump’s hair, such as a wood-grain tattoo on his scalp.
59 | Irenicum Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:19:46pm |
re: #54 freetoken
Another one I saw on my FB page was priceless: We Shall Overcomb!
60 | freetoken Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:22:00pm |
re: #56 Irenicum
I decided he needs this campaign slogan: Hair Today, Gone Tomorrow!
[Link: www.mojvideo.com...]
61 | Irenicum Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:34:08pm |
re: #60 freetoken
Holy shit! This is a seriously subserversive cartoon.
62 | freetoken Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:35:39pm |
re: #61 Irenicum
Holy shit! This is a seriously subserversive cartoon.
Indoctrinating children to be atheistic muslim heathen, no doubt.
63 | Irenicum Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:38:36pm |
re: #62 freetoken
Yeah, seriously. Thank God for self critical media, whether cartoons or other media. Thinking critically is dangerous. And dangerously necessary.
64 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:41:46pm |
65 | Girth Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:43:08pm |
re: #44 simoom
I heard he had terrible marks, and he ends up in Harvard.
This statement just hangs there, with no connection to either the birth certificate or the books/Ayers thing.
Nice dog whistle there Donald. Black man (I heard he had bad grades, Sean) gets into Harvard. He wouldn't even be President if those Ivy League elites didn't let him in instead of a qualified white guy. Affirmative action President!
At this point, Trump is such a joke that I'm waiting for him to pull a fast one, like a billionaire performance artist.
"You people are stupid! You believed me when I said all this crazy stuff and you want me to be President? You're all fired!"
67 | Irenicum Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:48:36pm |
I just realized I misspelled subversive. Language is a strange thing.
68 | simoom Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:17:26pm |
re: #65 Girth
He wouldn't even be President if those Ivy League elites didn't let him in instead of a qualified white guy. Affirmative action President!
The Daily Caller's Mickey Kaus covered similar ground a couple days back:
"Why is Obama a Bad Politician"
The answer is distressingly obvious: Obama’s the biggest affirmative action baby in history.
Actually, I'm deleting the URL out from that link. The last thing I want to do is sent Tucker Carlson any traffic.
69 | freetoken Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:20:14pm |
The atheistic muslim heathen agenda marches on!
CA-senate-bill-mandates-gay-history
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people would be added to the lengthy list of social and ethnic groups that public schools must include in social studies lessons under a landmark bill passed Thursday by the California Senate.
If the bill is adopted by the state Assembly and signed by Gov. Jerry Brown, California would become the first state to require the teaching of gay history.
Supporters say the move is needed to counter anti-gay stereotypes and beliefs that make children in those groups vulnerable to bullying and suicide.
[...]
70 | Irenicum Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:26:14pm |
Here's a video that rocked my world earlier tonight...
Brother Cornel West continues to rock.
75 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 17, 2011 12:17:41am |
re: #64 goddamnedfrank
Langston Hughes On the IRT; A Poem Arouses Many Feelings
By JOE SEXTON
Published: March 02, 1994
The Transit Authority's program is called Poetry in Motion, and on this particular morning eight lines of Langston Hughes rumble along the length of the IRT No. 3 line.
Sometimes a crumb falls
From the tables of joy
Sometimes a bone
Is flung.
To some people
Love is given
To others
Only heaven.
The poem, titled "Luck," is in the last days of its singular urban life on Car No. 2000, which sits awash in filtered morning sunlight in the outdoor New Lots Avenue station in Brooklyn. It is scheduled to be taken down, replaced by poems No. 26 and 27 in the series that began 16 months ago in the subways.
Wendy Richards is the first person to glance at the poem poster this morning. She reads it quietly and then both smiles and cries. Ms. Richards is two hours late for work. She had spent the morning attending to the details of the death of a neighbor who used to ride the subway with her. Lois Russell, who had talked with Ms. Richards recently about the Hughes poem, had died in her sleep only hours before. She was 45 years old.
"She was with me yesterday," Ms. Richards said of her neighbor. "We both loved the poem. It seems full of knowledge, and it's nice to be offered a bit of it."
The No. 3 train courses through the cold.…(more)
76 | freetoken Sun, Apr 17, 2011 12:42:32am |
Why roll up your sleeves? Another way to check your blood pressure is by clamping the testing device on your left nipple. See, you learn something new every day.
77 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 17, 2011 1:23:37am |
re: #11 NJDhockeyfan
Those of you who grow weed, guess what? You all are causing Global Warming!
(note...it's a .pdf file)
note the important word "indoor"
words mean things! Whee!
78 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 17, 2011 1:24:37am |
re: #45 Irenicum
To put it rather succinctly, Trump is NOT smart. He's an abject idiot. He proves it every day.
and yet the world pays attention him
not smart compared to some, but vastly smarter than the average american
79 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 17, 2011 1:46:45am |
re: #78 WindUpBird
and yet the world pays attention him
not smart compared to some, but vastly smarter than the average american
Cunning, perhaps. I'll accept 'cunning'.
80 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 17, 2011 2:02:52am |
re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist
Cunning, perhaps. I'll accept 'cunning'.
he's very clever! He seems to be socially engineering the media with this coy birther/presidential candidate will-he-or-not thing. Karl Rove is correct; he's a joke candidate. But the media wants a joke, because stunts = ratings. Cable news knows this, he knows this. They both benefit, so he gets on everywhere and does his birther game. he's no real birther as far as I can tell, he's trolling the country.
81 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 17, 2011 2:03:39am |
re: #69 freetoken
great news, and naturally the inland empire will just be rending their confederate flags over it
82 | freetoken Sun, Apr 17, 2011 3:36:06am |
Posted more to pimp that Youtube channel than anything else - you might know someone who could benefit from its videos.
83 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 17, 2011 4:26:24am |
Here's a nifty monkey-themed science blog.
[Link: seriousmonkeybusiness.wordpress.com...]
Because you can never read too many monkey-themed science blogs.
85 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 17, 2011 5:12:34am |
Another review of Atlas Shrugged, Part 1:
[Link: www.somethingawful.com...]
Calling Atlas Shrugged: Part 1 a train wreck would be doing a disservice to how fascinating most train wrecks tend to be.
86 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:05:51am |
87 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:11:13am |
re: #64 goddamnedfrank
Hot 'n frothy, sweet 'n meaty:
I actually think of Langston Hughes quite often when I think of Barack Obama. His poem about Black people like him (and also about gay people of that time) "We Wear The Mask" speak to me about the sort of iron self-control the president maintains. He avoids being visibly angry or seeming too emotional in order to avoid the visceral reaction that many white people have to an "angry black man". Obama clearly holds his feeling in check at times, 'wearing the mask' in order to get things done. His self-control is something I greatly respect in him.
88 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:25:40am |
re: #87 Dark_Falcon
Hey DF, I answered you yesterday about Rudy on the other thread. Apologies again if I offended you.
89 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:27:17am |
re: #88 iceweasel
Hey DF, I answered you yesterday about Rudy on the other thread. Apologies again if I offended you.
No, I wasn't offended after reading your reply. We all make mistakes in our posts at times. I made a fairly large one yesterday myself, so it's all good.
90 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:28:30am |
re: #89 Dark_Falcon
No, I wasn't offended after reading your reply. We all make mistakes in our posts at times. I made a fairly large one yesterday myself, so it's all good.
It's the medium. Sarc tags can only do so much and also it's easy to misread or be misread, especially with a quick throwaway comment like mine. Thanks.
91 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:30:32am |
Dammit, one of our cats is in heat and the noises she's making are driving us crazy. Merowwwwwww!
92 | treasured people Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:31:35am |
Here in Israel we take a dim view of Elvis Costello and his ilk. However, positive news comes from the arrest and confession of those responsible for the massacre of the Fogel family in Itamar.
93 | darthstar Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:40:26am |
re: #91 iceweasel
Dammit, one of our cats is in heat and the noises she's making are driving us crazy. Merowww!
Let her go ouside and play.
94 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:42:27am |
re: #93 darthstar
Let her go ouside and play.
Wish we could but she's an indoor kitty and we don't want her getting pregnant.
Planned Parenthood! It's not just for humans. /
95 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:42:55am |
re: #91 iceweasel
Dammit, one of our cats is in heat and the noises she's making are driving us crazy. Merowww!
Given that its you who posted that comment:
On a serious note, if you don't plan on breeding her you should get her spayed. Otherwise she's going to get out of the house and you'll find yourself trying to find homes for the resulting kittens.
96 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:46:20am |
re: #95 Dark_Falcon
That Was Awesome. Jimmah's watching too and we laughed.
97 | sattv4u2 Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:05:11am |
re: #85 Obdicut
Another review of Atlas Shrugged, Part 1:
[Link: www.somethingawful.com...]
And a less over the top (regardless of which side. positive or negatve) review
[Link: www.theobjectivestandard.com...]
But Atlas Shrugged: Part I is not the novel and it does not pretend to be. It is a fairly competently made, credible adaptation of one of the most complex novels ever written. Even with its flaws, the film is enjoyable and has wonderful moments, including some in which it captures the power of the novel
98 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:18:34am |
re: #97 sattv4u2
Seriously? You're citing from the Objectivist Sstandard for a review of Atlas Shrugged?
Could call up the filmmaker's mother and get her point of view too, I guess.
99 | sattv4u2 Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:21:31am |
re: #98 Obdicut
Seriously? You're citing from the Objectivist Sstandard for a review of Atlas Shrugged?
Could call up the filmmaker's mother and get her point of view too, I guess.
This, from the guy that cited somethingawful as a source!
100 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:26:18am |
101 | sattv4u2 Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:28:40am |
re: #100 Obdicut
Huh?
Do you know what the Objectivist Standard is?
Yes and thats why I cited it against your "objective" somethingawful" review
waytomissthepoint
Here, have a cup of coffee on me. freshly brewed
102 | Lidane Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:30:30am |
re: #34 Conservative Moonbat
His life has turned into a bad movie, starring Nicholas Cage.
Heh.
[Link: www.cracked.com...]
103 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:32:07am |
Trump's newest lefty connection....
Donald Trump's Political 'Pit Bull': Meet Michael Cohen
Not What You Might Think, Top Trump Aide Voted For Obama In 2008
This could end up being a practical joke of historic proportions.
104 | sattv4u2 Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:32:49am |
re: #102 Lidane
Heh.
[Link: www.cracked.com...]
He's (Cage) jealous of all the attention Charlie Sheen is getting!
105 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:33:11am |
re: #101 sattv4u2
You make very little sense. None, really.
Nearly every review written of Atlas Shrugged says that it's a trainwreck, a boring piece of dreck. It's a lead balloon.
The Objectivist Standard, on the other hand, tongue-bathes it in praise, comparatively. Numerous tins of turd-polish are employed in attempting to make the dessicated corpse of the movie appear somewhat alive.
So, your claim that it's a review that's less over the top is rather obviously wrong. It's a review by nutjob Randians of a movie about a Rand book. It's over the top in the praise of it-- since what they're praising is such a heap of garbage. It's probably the most biased and unreliable review possible.
Congrats.
106 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:36:25am |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
Hell, at this point he could suddenly announce he was running as a Democrat and I wouldn't be surprised.
107 | BenghaziHoops Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:37:31am |
The Hoopsters review of Wall Street..Money never sleeps
It sucked big time
108 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:38:29am |
Republicans looking to alienate every last American by encouraging crackdown on porn....
Eric Holder accused of neglecting porn fight
To the list of social issues such as abortion once thought to be off the 2011 political agenda and now making a comeback, add a hot-button one from the days of Reagan-era Attorney General Ed Meese — pornography.The catalyst for a renewed fight over pornography is a recent, little-noticed move by Attorney General Eric Holder to shutter the Obscenity Prosecution Task Force, a special Justice Department unit set up during the Bush administration under pressure from conservatives upset about the proliferation of obscene material on the Internet.
109 | sattv4u2 Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:38:43am |
re: #105 Obdicut
Want (need) that coffee now, or will you wait till the scones arrive
110 | jaunte Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:40:06am |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
A man of the people.
Cohen, whose position allows him to play at any of Trump's courses around the world, describes himself as a "decent" golfer and an avid tennis player. Much like Trump's, his circle of acquaintances include political leaders, actors and "super high net worth people," as Cohen calls them.He only wears Dolce & Gabbana suits and Hermes ties.
111 | sattv4u2 Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:40:16am |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
Trump's newest lefty connection...
Donald Trump's Political 'Pit Bull': Meet Michael Cohen
This could end up being a practical joke of historic proportions.
Yes. Cohens actions make little sense. Take a run at Obama with Trump as a Dem. then at least you're sticking to your (Cohens) core beliefs
112 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:40:28am |
re: #109 sattv4u2
I've had some awesome Brazilian roast already. It was yummy. You ought to drain a pot before you cite Leonard Peikoff's review of the movie.
113 | sattv4u2 Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:41:02am |
re: #112 Obdicut
I've had some awesome Brazilian roast already. It was yummy. You ought to drain a pot before you cite Leonard Peikoff's review of the movie.
So you'll wait for the pastry then, huh?
114 | sattv4u2 Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:46:42am |
Wonder if this would work if I sent a "notice" of my death to the IRS
[Link: www.boston.com...]
A local man who faked his own death to beat several court cases has been sentenced to three years in prison. Michael Rosen was sentenced Thursday in Salem Superior Court after pleading guilty to forgery charges. Authorities say the 43-year-old Rosen walked into court in July pretending to be his brother and handed a clerk a death certificate showing that he had died of “cardio-respiratory’’ arrest and was buried in Temple “Isreal’’ Cemetery. It worked at first, as a judge dismissed Rosen’s cases. But Rosen’s probation officer became suspicious because he had recently seen Rosen in good health. Rosen had made the fake death certificate on a computer
116 | sattv4u2 Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:50:28am |
re: #115 PhillyPretzel
I would not try that.
Michael Rosen shouldn't have either!
Michael Rosen was sentenced Thursday in Salem Superior Court after pleading guilty to forgery charges
I'm sure he'll also have to stand trial for the original charges he tried to evade
117 | Lidane Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:51:15am |
re: #108 Killgore Trout
Republicans looking to alienate every last American by encouraging crackdown on porn...
Eric Holder accused of neglecting porn fight
NANNY STATE! BIG GUBMINT!
Except, you know, when it comes to sex and porn.
118 | Lidane Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:55:16am |
re: #112 Obdicut
Leonard Peikoff
Is he still Ayn Rand's lapdog? I seem to recall her making him the executor of her will.
119 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:57:03am |
I'll toss out this thought experiment...
If Trump's presidential run is a hoax (which it might be) who is responsible?
1) Trump just found an easy way to exploit the rudderless wingnuts to promote his reality shows. I think this is the most likely scenario.
2) the Dems found an easy way to make Republicans look stupid. It's certainly a possibility.
3) Fox News and Rupert Murdoch want Obama to stay in the White House. Fox News is pretty sloppy but I find it hard to believe that nobody over there googled him to learn his political positions before promoting him as a Republican candidate. In true Randian irony, Fox makes a lot of money promoting outrageous outrages while Obama is in office and maybe they are acting in their own best financial interest.
120 | jaunte Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:57:17am |
re: #108 Killgore Trout
More pretend shrinking of big government.
The April 4 letter refrains from criticzing the Justice Department's record. However, in the past, Hatch has publicly complained to Holder that the Justice Department was devoting too much focus to small-time purveyors of "fringe" fetish pornography and not enough attention to the mass-market producers. However, winning cases against large-scale operators could be complicated since they could argue that their very success demonstrates that their products do not violate community standards.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
121 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:57:22am |
re: #118 Lidane
Yep. He's the one who thinks there's no possibility on improving on Objectivist thought as defined by Rand, as opposed to the slightly-less-insane Objectivists who think that maybe she didn't create the absolutely fully-fleshed philosophical system and other thinkers can contribute too.
122 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:58:28am |
re: #117 Lidane
NANNY STATE! BIG GUBMINT!
Except, you know, when it comes to sex and porn.
The gop will abolish Planned Parenthood and use the money to issue mandatory chastity belts.
123 | PhillyPretzel Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:58:50am |
re: #119 Killgore Trout
I agree. It is certainly possible.
124 | PhillyPretzel Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:59:54am |
re: #122 Killgore Trout
Is there a holster for my gun?
125 | Lidane Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:00:12am |
re: #122 Killgore Trout
The gop will abolish Planned Parenthood and use the money to issue mandatory chastity belts.
Chastity belts and burqas. Can't take any chances on teh wimminz tempting men into anything. =P
126 | sattv4u2 Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:01:03am |
[Link: www.boston.com...]
Organizers of the annual marijuana freedom festival in Amherst are celebrating its 20th anniversary with two days of events this year
However, the organizers can't seem to remember which two days they are!
/
127 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:01:12am |
re: #119 Killgore Trout
Yeah. I think it's #1. Trump saw how gullible and uninformed the Tea Party types and the rest of the conservative cult is right now, and took advantage of it. However, I think he may be surprised at his own success and now seriously considering actually running.
128 | jaunte Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:02:26am |
re: #119 Killgore Trout
I'd bet on scenarios 1 & 3 as the most likely.
129 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:03:29am |
re: #123 PhillyPretzel
I agree. It is certainly possible.
It also occurred to me that Gop insiders might worry that one of their "real" candidates might actually win and, like Scott Walker, do some reckless, stupid and very unpopular shit that would damage the Republican party. Maybe they think it's best to just scuttle the election and wait until later. I doubt they would actually initiate the Trump hoax but maybe they think it's best to let it play out.
130 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:03:30am |
I listened to a speech by Ayn Rand yesterday. As you usual, I felt sorry for Rand because in many ways she seemed rather pathetic. She did make a few good points such regarding her position as a pro-choice woman and Ronald Reagan's tendency to not be on the side of true freedom. But overall it sounded like "Ayn Rand at a cocktail party trying to impress a rich guy to marry her."
So called Objectivism seems to be an odd reversal of roles in which the traditional bad guy becomes the good guy. A philosophy embraced by people who are only intent on licking the boots of the rich and the powerful. Had there been Objectivists around during the Revolutionary War period the would probably have sided with the wealthy aristocracy of the British royalty.
131 | Lidane Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:03:35am |
re: #121 Obdicut
Yep. He's the one who thinks there's no possibility on improving on Objectivist thought as defined by Rand, as opposed to the slightly-less-insane Objectivists who think that maybe she didn't create the absolutely fully-fleshed philosophical system and other thinkers can contribute too.
Oh yeah. I remember reading about the "open vs. closed Objectivism" debate a while back. He sounds like a religious fanatic, which is hilariously ironic given Rand's feelings on religion.
132 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:06:24am |
re: #131 Lidane
Oh yeah. I remember reading about the "open vs. closed Objectivism" debate a while back. He sounds like a religious fanatic, which is hilariously ironic given Rand's feelings on religion.
Probably because in many ways Rand's ideas was the secular version of the "prosperity gospel".
133 | sattv4u2 Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:07:51am |
:(
Sad day
Looks as if the (small) family of deer that took up residence at the far edge of my property have gone on to greener pastures
I have been feeding them for over a year now and had left a bag of corn out there last week (as I've been doing) and when I went out there today it was mostly untouched
That, and I haven't seen them sniffing around the fence, which we usually do
134 | jaunte Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:08:09am |
re: #130 Gus 802
The Objectivist's iron-clad rule is that there are no laws or rules, and woe betide you if you forget to give out instruction on that custom.
We have no rules of any kind", said Galt, "except one. When a man took our oath, it meant a single commitment: not to work in his own profession, not to give to the world the benefit of his mind.Our first rule here, Miss Taggart", [Galt] answered, "is that one must always see for oneself."
"Miss Taggart,", [Galt] said, we have no laws in this valley, no rules, no formal organization of any kind. But we have certain customs which we all observe..."
Galt: "I'll warn you now that there is one word that is forbidden in this valley: the word, 'give'."
135 | jamesfirecat Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:10:36am |
re: #134 jaunte
The Objectivist's iron-clad rule is that there are no laws or rules, and woe betide you if you forget to give out instruction on that custom.
Objectivist birthday parties must suck....
136 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:11:39am |
re: #134 jaunte
The Objectivist's iron-clad rule is that there are no laws or rules, and woe betide you if you forget to give out instruction on that custom.
Sounds like "anarchy for the wealthy". Which of course it is since it's basically an extreme version of Libertarianism mixed in with the great American church of capitalism in the mold of the old railroad magnates. A mutual admiration society of moneyed narcissists and their admirers.
137 | HappyWarrior Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:15:31am |
I've made it noted many times that I personally find objectivism to be a repugnant policy. Yes, there needs to be individualism but absolute individualism at the point where you lose your humanity, you start to draw a line.
138 | jaunte Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:16:23am |
re: #136 Gus 802
Rand's ideas don't follow historic human practices. Where would most moneyed narcissists be if their parents hadn't given them enough money, education or drive to get started in the first place?
139 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:18:39am |
re: #130 Gus 802
So called Objectivism seems to be an odd reversal of roles in which the traditional bad guy becomes the good guy. A philosophy embraced by people who are only intent on licking the boots of the rich and the powerful. Had there been Objectivists around during the Revolutionary War period the would probably have sided with the wealthy aristocracy of the British royalty.
I think the inverted morality is actually part of the appeal. Kind of like the lefty chick I know that converted to Islam after 9-111 to outrage her family. There is a certain appeal to this especially among the young which explains why Ron Paul appeals to young voters so much. By the time Ayn Rand came around there had been at least 100 years of demonizing big business. Child labor exploitation, railroad monopolies, robber barons, the great depression etc. She was kind of a "shock-jock" of her time turning the villains into the heroes.
140 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:19:27am |
re: #138 jaunte
Rand's ideas don't follow historic human practices. Where would most moneyed narcissists be if their parents hadn't given them enough money, education or drive to get started in the first place?
She spent so much time alone that she forgot that humans are a social animal. There is no wealth without labor. Railroads weren't built on the sweat of the magnates but the sweat of labor -- including slave labor. She was an admirer of the Rev. Ike. Her idea for the poor was also "if you don't like being poor, don't be one". She also fumbled her way through the late 70s by rejecting Ronald Reagan in favor of the stumbling Gerald Ford.
141 | jaunte Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:22:26am |
re: #140 Gus 802
"f you don't want to be poor, it's simple. Just think of a new alloy essential to industry. Then you can refuse to let people have it, and go live in a gulch"
142 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:22:41am |
This fits in well with our conversation this morning.
Trump takes on Romney
Heh.
143 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:24:59am |
re: #141 jaunte
"f you don't want to be poor, it's simple. Just think of a new alloy essential to industry. Then you can refuse to let people have it, and go live in a gulch"
See. When I read that I think of a spoiled child. "I'm taking my toys and going home!"
144 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:28:04am |
And she said "there is no hope for the Soviet Union" and "there is no hope for Poland." Besides effectively endorsing Gerald Ford that is. She is almost treated like a demigod by the adherents of the Objectivist Cult.
145 | HappyWarrior Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:33:04am |
Didn't Ford appoint Greenspan who was one of her protages to an important position? The cult of Rand is like that of many, where any criticism makes the critic a dumb and misinformed person. It's like Ron Paul. If you've ever tried discussing the issues with them, you'd know exactly what I am talking about.I still have vivid memories of being called a sheep because I pointed out that you can't say the isolationist founders would be isolationist in 2008 was a different world than 1789.
146 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:33:17am |
One of the reasons she disliked Reagan was because she thought he was in favor of a "mixed economy". Hence he was not a "true capitalist".
147 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:34:51am |
re: #145 HappyWarrior
Didn't Ford appoint Greenspan who was one of her protages to an important position? The cult of Rand is like that of many, where any criticism makes the critic a dumb and misinformed person. It's like Ron Paul. If you've ever tried discussing the issues with them, you'd know exactly what I am talking about.I still have vivid memories of being called a sheep because I pointed out that you can't say the isolationist founders would be isolationist in 2008 was a different world than 1789.
You talked to Rand?
148 | Lidane Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:36:10am |
re: #142 Killgore Trout
This fits in well with our conversation this morning.
Trump takes on Romney
Heh.
The comments are a hoot:
Trump is a delusional lunatic... He is not even a billionaire and is actually inherited from his dad company! There is a clear contrast between Mitt Romney and Donald Trump. Mitt Romney is an Honest and successful businessman while Donald Trump had to file for bankruptcy several times and actually is a dishonest businessman, take the example of his business with Qaddafi... Mitt Romney- Vice President and CEO of Bain and Company, rescue them from failing, Co-Founder of Bain Capital, Rescuer of the Salt Lake City Winter Olympics, and the 70th Governor of Massachusetts. What about Trump?---
He's An Obama plant . . .
He will destroy all the other candidates, because he has no party loyalty. He will easily win the nomination if he wants it.
He will capture 42 per cent of the vote; a hand full of southern states, Utah, Wyoming, Idaho and maybe Montana. And that's it. Obama gets about 400 electoral votes.---
the Donald I would think should be reporting on what his "troops on the ground" in Hawaii have found about the birth of President Obama over there. Surely they have found something that can be reported on. Or maybe he sent out the same guys OJ Simpson sent out to find the "real killers" we're waiting to hear from them too.
Hehe.
149 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:36:38am |
re: #140 Gus 802
She spent so much time alone that she forgot that humans are a social animal. There is no wealth without labor. Railroads weren't built on the sweat of the magnates but the sweat of labor -- including slave labor. She was an admirer of the Rev. Ike. Her idea for the poor was also "if you don't like being poor, don't be one". She also fumbled her way through the late 70s by rejecting Ronald Reagan in favor of the stumbling Gerald Ford.
re: #141 jaunte
"f you don't want to be poor, it's simple. Just think of a new alloy essential to industry. Then you can refuse to let people have it, and go live in a gulch"
What always struck me about her was her lack of compassion, so I have a hard time finding pity for her. When I heard her speak about the mentally and physically disabled, that they have no function in society and therefore society shouldn't be devoting any kind of training or care for them, I thought, "Gee there must be a lot of institutions in her world." But then she wouldn't pay for even that, leaving the disabled to simply flounder and die.
I hate to go all Godwin and she didn't advocate for outright killing them (I don't know if she thought it), but her ideas aren't far from Nazism.
150 | Winny Spencer Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:37:18am |
re: #148 Lidane
Those comments are pretty spot on, I'd say.
151 | HappyWarrior Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:37:26am |
re: #147 Walter L. Newton
You talked to Rand?
Nah, was talking about followers who think any disagreement amounts to stupidit on the disagreers part.
152 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:39:25am |
re: #148 Lidane
I put my money on the idea that this is a farce. a scheme to get his name in the papers, up his ratings and get folks to watch his fucked up show. He ain't gonna run for anything.
153 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:39:45am |
re: #149 marjoriemoon
re: #141 jaunte
What always struck me about her was her lack of compassion, so I have a hard time finding pity for her. When I heard her speak about the mentally and physically disabled, that they have no function in society and therefore society shouldn't be devoting any kind of training or care for them, I thought, "Gee there must be a lot of institutions in her world." But then she wouldn't pay for even that, leaving the disabled to simply flounder and die.
I hate to go all Godwin and she didn't advocate for outright killing them (I don't know if she thought it), but her ideas aren't far from Nazism.
I was thinking "you can take the Soviet out of the Soviet Union but you can't take the Sovietism out of the Soviet". Or some such words. There was a strong aroma of Soviet style to her words. It's ridiculous. She championed a form of group collectivism around her ideology. Objectivism is an ideology and once it reached the point of being accepted by a small mass of people it becomes a collective.
154 | HappyWarrior Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:40:54am |
re: #149 marjoriemoon
re: #141 jaunte
What always struck me about her was her lack of compassion, so I have a hard time finding pity for her. When I heard her speak about the mentally and physically disabled, that they have no function in society and therefore society shouldn't be devoting any kind of training or care for them, I thought, "Gee there must be a lot of institutions in her world." But then she wouldn't pay for even that, leaving the disabled to simply flounder and die.
I hate to go all Godwin and she didn't advocate for outright killing them (I don't know if she thought it), but her ideas aren't far from Nazism.
Her ideas on the disabled at the very most are horrifying. And yes I agree with your point as a whole that what has always rubbed me the wrong way about her and her whole philosophy is its complete lack of compassion for fellow human beings.
155 | allegro Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:43:11am |
A lack of empathy is an absolute mandate for an adherent of Randian Objectivism
156 | jaunte Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:43:24am |
re: #154 HappyWarrior
Her ideas on the disabled at the very most are horrifying. And yes I agree with your point as a whole that what has always rubbed me the wrong way about her and her whole philosophy is its complete lack of compassion for fellow human beings.
It may be an alternate form of saying "I didn't come from no monkey"
[Link: www.livescience.com...]
157 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:43:38am |
re: #153 Gus 802
I was thinking "you can take the Soviet out of the Soviet Union but you can't take the Sovietism out of the Soviet". Or some such words. There was a strong aroma of Soviet style to her words. It's ridiculous. She championed a form of group collectivism around her ideology. Objectivism is an ideology and once it reached the point of being accepted by a small mass of people it becomes a collective.
hehe She came out of Marxist Russia, yes? They spun socialism on its ear with Communism. So she responds by spinning capitalism on its ear with Objectivism. Equally evil.
158 | Lidane Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:44:49am |
re: #152 marjoriemoon
I put my money on the idea that this is a farce. a scheme to get his name in the papers, up his ratings and get folks to watch his fucked up show. He ain't gonna run for anything.
I've been going with the idea that it's all a publicity stunt for a while. He can't possibly think he could win, or even be taken seriously as a candidate, despite all the pandering to the birther idiots. It's all a ratings push, but unfortunately, it's effective.
159 | HappyWarrior Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:46:30am |
re: #156 jaunte
It may be an alternate form of saying "I didn't come from no monkey"
[Link: www.livescience.com...]
And the chimps again prove why I am happy to be cousins with them.
160 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:47:21am |
re: #158 Lidane
I've been going with the idea that it's all a publicity stunt for a while. He can't possibly think he could win, or even be taken seriously as a candidate, despite all the pandering to the birther idiots. It's all a ratings push, but unfortunately, it's effective.
Agreed. I don't think he actually wants to be president. It's far too much work for not enough money.
161 | allegro Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:48:14am |
re: #158 Lidane
It's all a ratings push, but unfortunately, it's effective.
I agree with all of this except for the "unfortunately" part. I think it's fortunate as hell. It's like a masterful piece of performance art that is shining a bright light on the ridiculousness of the ODS conspiracy theorists and racists. Brilliant really. Assuming that's it's intent. If it isn't, it's still kinda wonderful.
162 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:49:38am |
re: #157 marjoriemoon
hehe She came out of Marxist Russia, yes? They spun socialism on its ear with Communism. So she responds by spinning capitalism on its ear with Objectivism. Equally evil.
Yep. There was a strong tone of authoritarianism to her words. Which remains to this day. "You will accept Objectivism because it is the ultimate political philosophy as deemed by the highly educated leaders of our Objectivist cult." There is nothing passive about this. When someone tells you "health care is not a right" they're imposing their authority over you.
163 | jaunte Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:49:45am |
re: #159 HappyWarrior
Heh. Here's an evolutionary experiment on altruists/egoists that may be Trump-related:
A roaming egoist can be thought of as a con man, suggests Leda Cosmides, who uses evolutionary biology to study social interactions and the structure of the human mind at the University of California, Santa Barbara.A con man arrives in a small town where the residents trust and cooperate with each other. He can get away with fleecing the townspeople for only so long; once everyone gets wise, he has to move on. "Good exploiters keep on the move," says Cosmides, "like keeping ahead of your creditors."
[Link: www.nature.com...]
165 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:50:25am |
Wow. If the forecast is to be believe we're in for a few dry days this week and might even see a little sunlight. I've been keeping any eye of the slug population this year and it seems really low. I put out some plants yesterday expecting them to be eaten to the ground by morning. not only are they still there they have no slug damage at all. The frogs have been doing their job very very well! Hooray!
166 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:54:09am |
re: #161 allegro
I agree with all of this except for the "unfortunately" part. I think it's fortunate as hell. It's like a masterful piece of performance art that is shining a bright light on the ridiculousness of the ODS conspiracy theorists and racists. Brilliant really. Assuming that's it's intent. If it isn't, it's still kinda wonderful.
Makes ya kinda have to laugh at those who are voting him #1 GOP candidate while he laughs all the way to the bank. Trump is contemptible.
Trump didn't invent any special alloy to make his millions, he just plays on people's emotions and ideologies, but I think Rand would have been proud of him anyway.
So he made a speech last week saying "Obama will go down as the U.S.'s worst president." And meanwhile, he said the exact same thing about Bush.
167 | jaunte Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:54:18am |
William Gibson tweets:
A Higgs Boson walks into a church and the priest says "you can't be in here". The Higg Boson says "but without me how will you have mass?"
169 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:00:00am |
re: #166 marjoriemoon
Makes ya kinda have to laugh at those who are voting him #1 GOP candidate while he laughs all the way to the bank. Trump is contemptible.
Trump didn't invent any special alloy to make his millions, he just plays on people's emotions and ideologies, but I think Rand would have been proud of him anyway.
So he made a speech last week saying "Obama will go down as the U.S.'s worst president." And meanwhile, he said the exact same thing about Bush.
Think about what it says about the American people. How easily manipulated they are. All you need is a great deal of wealth and you can influence the American psyche and body politic. You don't even have to win an election to influence people. Trump may not go any further but his influence is already being felt by American society. PT Barnum comes to mind.
The snake oil salesman is alive and well. In fact, he's gotten even stronger since the 1980s thanks to the abject glorification of those that attain riches.
170 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:02:25am |
re: #167 jaunte
Werner Heisenberg is pulled over for speeding. The cop comes to the window and says, "Sir, do you have any idea how fast you were going?" Heisenberg replies, "No, but I know exactly where I am."
171 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:04:27am |
re: #169 Gus 802
Think about what it says about the American people. How easily manipulated they are. All you need is a great deal of wealth and you can influence the American psyche and body politic. You don't even have to win an election to influence people. Trump may not go any further but his influence is already being felt by American society. PT Barnum comes to mind.
The snake oil salesman is alive and well. In fact, he's gotten even stronger since the 1980s thanks to the abject glorification of those that attain riches.
I really hate to have to upding you for that ;)
172 | sattv4u2 Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:05:44am |
173 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:07:25am |
re: #171 marjoriemoon
I really hate to have to upding you for that ;)
Riiight. :) Think about it too. Beside Ralph Nader who else has run as the outsider for the American presidency and made any waves? The answer is Steve Forbes, and Ross Perot. Now, combine those names with Donald Trump. Forbes, Trump and Perot. Welcome to the billionaires club.
175 | sattv4u2 Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:08:46am |
re: #173 Gus 802
Now, combine those names
NadarForbesTrumpPerot.
Doesn't zaccly roll off the tongue!
176 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:10:32am |
re: #175 sattv4u2
Now, combine those namesNadarForbesTrumpPerot.
Doesn't zaccly roll off the tongue!
It's like a law firm.
We could just call it Dewey, Cheatem & Howe.
177 | jamesfirecat Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:10:50am |
re: #175 sattv4u2
Now, combine those namesNadarForbesTrumpPerot.
Doesn't zaccly roll off the tongue!
179 | sattv4u2 Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:11:44am |
re: #176 Gus 802
It's like a law firm.
We could just call it Dewey, Cheatem & Howe.
[Link: www.oddee.com...]
180 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:15:16am |
Not to change the subject, but they were talking about Mubarak on This Week earlier.
When I heard of his heart attack last week, I couldn't help but think of Fred Sanford,
'Elizabeth! I'm coming to join ya honey! With $40 billion in unmarked bills in my suitcase!"
182 | calochortus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:15:22am |
re: #133 sattv4u2
:(
Sad dayLooks as if the (small) family of deer that took up residence at the far edge of my property have gone on to greener pastures
I have been feeding them for over a year now and had left a bag of corn out there last week (as I've been doing) and when I went out there today it was mostly untouched
That, and I haven't seen them sniffing around the fence, which we usually do
Where do you live? I can crate a few deer up and ship them to you. We have more than enough here...
184 | calochortus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:17:52am |
185 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:18:48am |
187 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:19:44am |
re: #185 marjoriemoon
That's been around a very long time. I first heard about it in the 80s. (creepy weird stuff)
It's a fetish now.
190 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:22:38am |
re: #183 Gus 802
ooh, ick!
I can't imagine doing that on purpose for no good medical reason other than to have a hole in the head, which is what this is.
Though my daughter, in 3rd grade, had a growth in her skull bone that created just such a hole; no break in the skin, though.
192 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:25:33am |
re: #191 PhillyPretzel
::: looking for "barf" bag :::
Coming up next! Subdermal implants and the drunkards that get them.
193 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:26:32am |
Zappa marathon starting right now at [Link: stream.wusb.stonybrook.edu:8090...]
195 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:27:24am |
re: #194 PhillyPretzel
Uck.
Subdermal implants won't make you a Romulan. It'll just make you a stupid human with subdermal implants.
//
196 | PhillyPretzel Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:28:55am |
re: #195 Gus 802
I am not interested in tatoos. Although a good dose of the Honorverse might make me feel better.
197 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:31:31am |
re: #196 PhillyPretzel
I am not interested in tatoos. Although a good dose of the Honorverse might make me feel better.
I was never interested in the "bar fly" scene which is what this is a subset of. I find model airplanes more interesting to watch.
198 | PhillyPretzel Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:32:48am |
re: #197 Gus 802
I go to Baen's Bar to get a few sneak peaks at what the next book might have in it.
199 | jaunte Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:36:25am |
re: #186 Gus 802
Another brown acid casualty...
Bart Huges (b. 1934), a medical school graduate who has never practiced medicine except for a bit of self-surgery, believes that trepanation is the way to higher consciousness. He says that he wanted to be a psychiatrist but failed the obstetrics exam and so never went into practice. In 1965, after years of experimentation with LSD, cannabis, and other drugs, Dr. Huges realized that the way to enlightenment was by boring a hole in his skull.
[Link: www.skepdic.com...]
200 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:36:36am |
re: #198 PhillyPretzel
I go to Baen's Bar to get a few sneak peaks at what the next book might have in it.
My new neighbor is a drunkard. The ones before that were drunkards. And the one before that were also drunkards. Don't know what the first was and he was some Goth type guy. Hard to tell with him. Most middle of the road people are drunkards in America with jocks being the worst.
202 | prairiefire Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:42:14am |
re: #185 marjoriemoon
That's been around a very long time. I first heard about it in the 80s. (creepy weird stuff)
Yeah, I think I read an article about it Vanity Fair. A lady was taking a corkscrew to her skull. Nutty!
203 | Interesting Times Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:45:09am |
205 | treasured people Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:48:45am |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
Reagrdless of your feelings about Trump, the story of his daughter's conversion to Orthodox Judaism is quite remarkable.
206 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:52:37am |
Cripes. I can't stand stupid "words of wisdom" chain emails. The ones that tell you to send it to 10 other friends and "you will be rewards with blah, blah, blah". Got one yesterday from of all people, my sister. And there it was in my inbox with a ton of email addresses from people I don't even know.
207 | calochortus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:00:19am |
Unless someone has a way to work in the yard and keep up with things online at the same time, I'll have to leave you for a while.
BBL
208 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:02:47am |
Have I ever mentioned that I think Thunderf00t is a douche bag?
209 | treasured people Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:08:36am |
re: #204 calochortus
Calochortus, are you familiar, by any chance, with Iris douglasiana, another bulb native to Pacific Coast?
210 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:14:22am |
Ha! Just went through 20 links at the New York Times and reached my limit. So, I deleted my cookies and voila! I can start all over again. If they ever end up using IP addresses all I can say is bye bye New York Times.
211 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:15:15am |
re: #209 treasured people
Calochortus, are you familiar, by any chance, with Iris douglasiana, another bulb native to Pacific Coast?
I'm not really a flower guy and I'm not familiar with that variety but I have had iris before. They're ok if you like them but the flowering period is usually fairly short and the rest of the year they just take up space. They can also spread fairly aggressively if you don't keep on top of them.
212 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:16:05am |
re: #210 Gus 802
Ha! Just went through 20 links at the New York Times and reached my limit. So, I deleted my cookies and voila! I can start all over again. If they ever end up using IP addresses all I can say is bye bye New York Times.
In that case you can just restart you router and I think your IP changes.
213 | Gus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:16:58am |
re: #212 Killgore Trout
In that case you can just restart you router and I think your IP changes.
Yeah. But only if you have a floating IP as opposed to a static IP.
214 | b_Snark Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:32:40am |
re: #213 Gus 802
Yeah. But only if you have a floating IP as opposed to a static IP.
Even dynamic IPs have life spans. It depends on how the ISP has set up assignation. I they set it for a week, resetting your router just gets you the same one.
On the topic of boring holes, and I'm not talking about Limbaugh, I love puncturing holes in my skin. As we speak, I'm shoving a pointed 10"x1/2" galvanized bolt through my neck to go with the two headless temple bolts I already have.
215 | treasured people Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:50:56am |
re: #211 Killgore Trout
Well, in rainfall fickle places like Israel, drought tolerant toughies like Iris are a blessing, even when they do run rampant. Some of them are real beauties, earning them the moniker "orchids of the backyard."
216 | calochortus Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:56:46am |
re: #209 treasured people
Calochortus, are you familiar, by any chance, with Iris douglasiana, another bulb native to Pacific Coast?
You're probably long gone, but yes, we do have a couple of Iris douglasiana in our yard. Who knows where they came from-we certainly didn't plant them, but are perfectly happy to have them there.
217 | treasured people Sun, Apr 17, 2011 11:12:37am |
re: #216 calochortus
Bulb plants are amazing packages of annual/perennial beauty. In warm, sub-tropical climates (e.g. southern California, Israel) you can design a garden exclusively with bulb-type plants and get flowers year around, all of which not only provide beauty outdoors but stand up woonderfully as cut flowers, typically for more than a week, indoors as well.
Here's a weedy favorite of mine known as Peruvian lily (Alstroemeria).