Reports from Libya say that the Gaddafi compound in Tripoli has been breached; this could be the last day for the Colonel. Here’s a thread to keep up on breaking developments…
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Aug 21, 2011 10:43:10am |
Does he now. RT @Reuters: FLASH: Gaddafi says he will not relinquish power, will win: state TV audio
Controlled panic in the #Rixos. All journos wearing body armor moving into what will hopefully will be safe room #CNN #Libya #Tripoliupdate
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Gus Sun, Aug 21, 2011 10:45:12am |
@thinkprogress ThinkProgress
Thousands of Libyans celebrate uprising on the streets on Tripoli [Link: t.co...] (via @AJEnglish)
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 21, 2011 10:46:58am |
Can't break out the bubbly yet, but keep it chilled.
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elizajane Sun, Aug 21, 2011 10:49:38am |
Think how mind-blowing it will be if Obama not only gets Osama, but also takes out a nasty dictator with no ground troops and pretty minimal expenditure.
Assad must be feeling very, very worried.
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 21, 2011 10:50:24am |
re: #5 elizajane
This one isn't Obama's, not by a long stretch.
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 21, 2011 10:51:07am |
re: #5 elizajane
Think how mind-blowing it will be if Obama not only gets Osama, but also takes out a nasty dictator with no ground troops and pretty minimal expenditure.
Assad must be feeling very, very worried.
Where's the big "Mission Accomplished" banner? That's the true sign of a victory!
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 10:51:26am |
Unfortunately, this reminds me of the dog that finally latches on to the bumper of a car and has a sudden realization, "OK, now what?"
Will the rebels be able to rule, or will this just spiral into a tribal civil war between the al Benghazi and the al Tripoli?
I am hoping for the former, but am very fearful of the latter.
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elizajane Sun, Aug 21, 2011 10:51:47am |
re: #6 Obdicut
This one isn't Obama's, not by a long stretch.
Not the way Iraq was (thank goodness) but NATO had something to do with it.... He'd certainly have gotten the blame if it had gone catastrophically wrong. I know, it still could.
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Aug 21, 2011 10:53:44am |
re: #8 austin_blue
Any news stations covering this?
Someone said that local CBS affiliate (KCBS?) just had something.
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 21, 2011 10:54:20am |
re: #9 elizajane
Heh. He already has gotten blame for various bits.
I just mean that Bin Laden was Obama giving the go for something that directly resulted in his death.
Here, NATO, with the US pointedly taking a back seat after the beginning, supported the rebels in a somewhat baffling "We're helping but not really" strategy that I never really got the point of.
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Gus Sun, Aug 21, 2011 10:55:05am |
re: #6 Obdicut
This one isn't Obama's, not by a long stretch.
Bush would have already claimed victory.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 21, 2011 10:55:49am |
Besides the early strikes he authorized, which did significant damage to Gaddafi's ability to resist, Obama has provided crucial support for the NATO forces throughout this operation. He has done so in the face of constant yammering about the War Powers Act from the usual suspects, as well as from some new ones. He can rightly claim it as a success for his policies when Gaddafi bites the big one.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 21, 2011 10:56:50am |
I'm eager to see what becomes of that miraculously recovered Lockerbie conspirator when this is over.
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 10:57:30am |
Here is a live Mideast blog feed from The Guardian, which has tons of people on the ground:
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
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bratwurst Sun, Aug 21, 2011 10:58:17am |
Will be interesting to see how the crowd who is still defending the massive ongoing expense of getting rid of Saddam Hussein will have little but "concerns" about the demise of this cretin.
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 21, 2011 10:59:12am |
re: #13 Shiplord Kirel
Besides the early strikes he authorized, which did significant damage to Gaddafi's ability to resist, Obama has provided crucial support for the NATO forces throughout this operation. He has done so in the face of constant yammering about the War Powers Act from the usual suspects, as well as from some new ones. He can rightly claim it as a success for his policies when Gaddafi bites the big one.
It is a good question, would we have gotten to this point had those pushing the WPA weeks back been heeded and our contribution been removed from the scene? I've read stories the past couple days that credited NATO air power as keeping Gaddafi's forces from pounding the rebels as they've taken the outlying towns and cities. Without that air power, could the rebels have ever seriously gotten this far?
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laZardo Sun, Aug 21, 2011 10:59:33am |
re: #18 bratwurst
Will be interesting to see how the crowd who is still defending the massive ongoing expense of getting rid of Saddam Hussein will have little but "concerns" about the demise of this cretin.
It wasn't getting rid of Saddam that was the hard part.
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:00:40am |
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:01:45am |
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:06:24am |
Not looking good for the Big Mo. The rebels have transported troops by sea from Misrata to the Tripoli port area. This is what happens when your Air Force has been destroyed.
It's like being staked out on an ant hill. Everyone gets a shot at you.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:08:43am |
BBC:
1902:
Associated Press reporters with the rebels coming from the west into Tripoli said they reached the city's Janzour suburb at nightfall on Sunday. They were greeted by civilians lining the streets and waving rebel flags.
1859:
The BBC team on the road west of Tripoli have confirmed that the key military Khamis Brigade barracks is under rebel control.
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:09:56am |
re: #24 austin_blue
Not looking good for the Big Mo. The rebels have transported troops by sea from Misrata to the Tripoli port area. This is what happens when your Air Force has been destroyed.
It's like being staked out on an ant hill. Everyone gets a shot at you.
Yeah, there's gonna be no running. The rebels will be deciding his fate, and they're not likely to vote for him to go into exile. He is soon to be an ex-dictator.
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jaunte Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:10:08am |
The rebels were chanting: "We are coming for you, frizz-head."
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:11:04am |
Guardian:
6.06pm: In an state TV audio broadcast, Gaddafi says he remains in Libya with his people and that together they will defend Tripoli until the end. He has also called on the Libyan people to liberate Tripoli from the rebels.
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:12:22am |
re: #26 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, there's gonna be no running. The rebels will be deciding his fate, and they're not likely to vote for him to go into exile. He is soon to be an ex-dictator.
More likely an ex-human. Sow, meet reap(er).
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:12:30am |
re: #28 austin_blue
Guardian:
6.06pm: In an state TV audio broadcast, Gaddafi says he remains in Libya with his people and that together they will defend Tripoli until the end. He has also called on the Libyan people to liberate Tripoli from the rebels.
Holed up with Baghdad Bob perhaps?
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:12:32am |
re: #27 jaunte
The rebels were chanting: "We are coming for you, frizz-head."
Now is that nice? It's humid in Tripoli this time of year.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:12:40am |
Hot Air wingnuts are outraged that McCain voiced support for ousting Q'Daffy
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lawhawk Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:12:50am |
Khadafi's compound may have been breached, but there's no way to know whether he's still in the city, or has been there for any time in the past couple of weeks. One of the major worries is that he fled for the mountains and will attempt to fight a guerrilla campaign. That's even with Khadafi claiming that he'll stay in Tripoli to the last.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:14:14am |
re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist
Now is that nice? It's humid in Tripoli this time of year.
Wonder if it matters to hair plugs.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:14:31am |
re: #32 Killgore Trout
Hot Air wingnuts are outraged that McCain voiced support for ousting Q'Daffy
Lunacy makes for strange bedfellows. Will the global crazy coalesce into a unified front of psychosis? Stay tuned.
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:14:37am |
re: #30 Rightwingconspirator
Holed up with Baghdad Bob perhaps?
/
"I can assure you the rebels are no near Tripoli! Our glorious Army is in full control of the (zip!!) front.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to change pants."
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:15:30am |
re: #36 austin_blue
"I can assure you the rebels are nowhere near Tripoli! Our glorious Army is in full control of the (zip!!) front.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to change pants."
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:17:23am |
re: #32 Killgore Trout
Hot Air wingnuts are outraged that McCain voiced support for ousting Q'Daffy
Just watch, by week's end, we'll be told a dozen variations of how this is actually bad for America, when these same nutters were champing at the bit months ago for us to go in and go in hard to remove him from power.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:19:37am |
I don't much care what they do to Gaddafi himself, but I hope the opposition deals humanely with his supporters. Nothing blurs the picture like a vengeful massacre by the nominal good guys.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:20:06am |
re: #38 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Just watch, by week's end, we'll be told a dozen variations of how this is actually bad for America, when these same nutters were champing at the bit months ago for us to go in and go in hard to remove him from power.
Hell, If they could get Q'Daffy out of Libya they'd nominate him to run for President.
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:21:00am |
re: #39 Shiplord Kirel
Is there an ethnic or religious divide between the ruling elite and the common citizens, as there was in Iraq?
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lawhawk Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:21:11am |
Khadafi being gone may be a good thing for Libyans in the long term. They'll have to establish a chain of command and government out of pretty much nothing since Khadafi controlled things from the top down. The Libyan National Council has a leg up since foreign governments have already recognized its legitimacy but it will still have to fill the vacuum left by Khadafi's 40-year regime.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:21:41am |
re: #39 Shiplord Kirel
I don't much care what they do to Gaddafi himself, but I hope the opposition deals humanely with his supporters. Nothing blurs the picture like a vengeful massacre by the nominal good guys.
I don't think we'll see a major bloodbath or ethnic cleansing. Regime cronies will almost certainly be rounded up but I think it will stop there.
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:22:51am |
re: #42 lawhawk
Khadafi being gone may be a good thing for Libyans in the long term. They'll have to establish a chain of command and government out of pretty much nothing since Khadafi controlled things from the top down. The Libyan National Council has a leg up since foreign governments have already recognized its legitimacy but it will still have to fill the vacuum left by Khadafi's 40-year regime.
Anybody who said it was going to be easy was lying. But that's what happens when you remove dictators, you either take the long road of building a new government from the ground up...or the short road we preferred during the Cold War of just finding a new strong man and putting him in charge.
Time will tell.
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HypnoToad Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:22:53am |
Nothing about anything important happening on L.A. broadcast TV. (I don't watch enough to justify cable)
Sometimes I feel that without the occasional BBC, DW, NHK, or AlJazeera news program, I wouldn't know that the rest of the world existed.
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BenghaziHoops Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:22:55am |
re: #37 austin_blue
Hi Austin!
You know what is weird? I don't think without NATO this could happen..Have you seen the videos of these guys? unorganized..Firing these weapons randomly from the middle of some street..Untrained..
It would seem any second rate army could wipe them out...
I don't think we are giving NATO enough credit...And the Right wants to dissolve them..Yup that's right..Like we have so many friends in Europe..
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:23:05am |
re: #41 Obdicut
Is there an ethnic or religious divide between the ruling elite and the common citizens, as there was in Iraq?
Pretty much. There are many divisions within Libyan society. Like Iraq it is almost an artificial country, its boundaries determined by ruling empires in the past rather than by any kind of real unity.
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:23:08am |
Al Jaz also has a Live Blog up:
[Link: blogs.aljazeera.net...]
Most recent post:
21 min 57 sec ago - Libya
Muammar Gaddafi's former right-hand man, Abdel Salam Jalloud, who has defected to the Libyan rebels'side, said on Sunday that Gaddafi would be toppled within ten days at most.
Speaking to Italian media, Jalloud said the regime would be finished "within a week, at the latest 10 days, maybe even less."
Jalloud was a member of the junta that staged a 1969 coup bringing Gaddafi to power, and was seen as the North African oil producer state's second in command before falling out of Gaddafi's favor in the 1990s.
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lawhawk Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:23:46am |
re: #41 Obdicut
There are significant tribal influences and an east-west split between various groups. Some of the tribal groups that were closely aligned with Khadafi may fare poorly, but in the past couple of months, some of those tribes have split with him. He's been increasingly isolated within his own country.
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laZardo Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:24:25am |
re: #47 Shiplord Kirel
Pretty much. There are many divisions within Libyan society. Like Iraq it is almost an artificial country, its boundaries determined by ruling empires in the past rather than by any kind of real unity.
Calling Somalia then.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:25:55am |
re: #46 HoosierHoops
Hi Austin!
You know what is weird? I don't think without NATO this could happen..Have you seen the videos of these guys? unorganized..Firing these weapons randomly from the middle of some street..Untrained..
It would seem any second rate army could wipe them out...
I don't think we are giving NATO enough credit...And the Right wants to dissolve them..Yup that's right..Like we have so many friends in Europe..
NATO's role in this has been absolutely vital. Besides air support, they have provided some basic training and quite a bit of hardware, much of it through proxies like Qatar. I've seen reports that NATO targeting improved dramatically with the arrival of trained forward air controllers from Qatar and perhaps other places, for example.
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jaunte Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:26:12am |
re: #41 Obdicut
Is there an ethnic or religious divide between the ruling elite and the common citizens, as there was in Iraq?
Ghaddafi was inclined to eliminate the Berbers as a separate ethnic group.
Like most people in the Nefusa Mountains, Sifao is a Berber. He said Berbers in Libya have faced years of persecution under Gaddafi.“He never allowed us to speak our language, he never allowed us to speak freely in the media or anywhere. He doesn’t allow us to give our children Berber names,” Sifao said.
[Link: www.theworld.org...]
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:30:35am |
re: #52 jaunte
I'm part Berber. (or some random North African group, hard to tell.)
One of those fun facts of genetics. I have African, Middle-Eastern, European, and Central American ancestors.
I look pretty damn white, though.
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laZardo Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:31:11am |
re: #52 jaunte
Now they can all hate America (and Israel) together!
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:31:45am |
re: #46 HoosierHoops
Hi Austin!
You know what is weird? I don't think without NATO this could happen..Have you seen the videos of these guys? unorganized..Firing these weapons randomly from the middle of some street..Untrained..
It would seem any second rate army could wipe them out...
I don't think we are giving NATO enough credit...And the Right wants to dissolve them..Yup that's right..Like we have so many friends in Europe..
The thing is that the Obama/Clinton went all James Baker on NATO, just as GHWB did with Desert Shield/Storm. We told NATO that this was *their* front door and while we would give them logistical and intelligence support, that Libya was their lead.
And it has taken awhile, but its their success. They protected the Rebs in the east while destroying Mo's Air Force and armor. They armed the refugees in Tunisia and opened up a second front. Rebels on both fronts were provided with heavy weapons, ammo, food, water, and most importantly a logistics and communication network that has allowed them to coordinate attacks.
They may look like random mooks in pickup tricks, but they are in fact a very well armed and coordinated little army. You can tell this is so because they are kicking a modern army's ass.
NATO deserves the vast majority of the credit for this. They have done very well.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:32:17am |
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BenghaziHoops Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:32:33am |
re: #53 Charles
Test...
Uh oh..Charles is in Coding mode...
Hey..Did that thing happen the 15th? I'd didn't get any confirmation.. Did you get an email?
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Gus Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:32:51am |
re: #55 laZardo
Now they can all hate America (and Israel) together!
That won't happen! We'll be viewed as liberators!
//Where have I seen that before?
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laZardo Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:32:54am |
re: #56 austin_blue
They may look like random mooks in pickup tricks, but they are in fact a very well armed and coordinated little army. You can tell this is so because they are kicking a modern army's ass.
NATO deserves the vast majority of the credit for this. They have done very well.
And they needed a real modern army to help them, didn't they. Gaddafi's army is barely up to Cold War scratch.
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:33:23am |
re: #59 Gus 802
That won't happen! We'll be viewed as liberators!
//Where have I seen that before?
Thrown roses and all!
//
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:33:45am |
Russia Today is in full support of Q'Daffy
'Rebel snipers in Tripoli part of NATO plan to spark mass panic', NATO Evil War On Libya
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jaunte Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:35:03am |
Another bookburner:
In 1973, Gaddafi declared a “Cultural Revolution” in which any publications deemed contrary to the principles espoused in his Green Book, including books mentioning the Amazigh, were destroyed. By ridding the nation of these books and replacing them with his own narrative, Gaddafi sought finally to erase Berber heritage from Libya’s part, present, and future. Under the guise of the Cultural Revolution, Libya’s first Amazigh association was disbanded and its members arrested for the creation of what was perceived as a political party. Since then, Gaddafi has continued to prohibit Amazigh cultural activities and associations in Libya.
[Link: muftah.org...]
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:35:44am |
re: #62 Killgore Trout
Russia Today is in full support of Q'Daffy
'Rebel snipers in Tripoli part of NATO plan to spark mass panic', NATO Evil War On Libya[Video]
Ah, our allies, ladies and gentlemen. *rolls eyes*
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:36:01am |
re: #62 Killgore Trout
Russia Today is in full support of Q'Daffy
'Rebel snipers in Tripoli part of NATO plan to spark mass panic', NATO Evil War On Libya[Video]
They can bark, but they don't have the reach to bite. Screw 'em.
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laZardo Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:36:09am |
Who here seriously believes we're still doing this for the "human rights?"
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:36:34am |
Charles may be in test mode but Philly is in the way of some really bad looking thunderstorms. I am going to sign off soon. I will be back as soon as the thunderstorms pass.
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Gus Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:36:55am |
re: #61 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Thrown roses and all!
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This time next year people will be talking about the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamists in Libya. You can almost bank on that. Now, that would be fine if one is to believe that the Muslim Brotherhood has "changed." I won't make that decision for them.
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:37:42am |
re: #66 laZardo
Who here seriously believes we're still doing this for the "human rights?"
I thought we were doing it for the lulz?
//
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:39:11am |
Meanwhile, in Egypt:
Sandmonkey Mahmoud Salem
Saw the supra-constiutional amendments today: good stuff, except article 9, which says that the army's budget is not to be questioned.
LOLWUT?
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:40:02am |
re: #68 Gus 802
This time next year people will be talking about the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamists in Libya. You can almost bank on that. Now, that would be fine if one is to believe that the Muslim Brotherhood has "changed." I won't make that decision for them.
Remember when Gaddafi demanded his brown pants after we rocked Saddam's world, the next day saying he was giving up his quest for atomic fire? Yeah, that was to show how much of a badass Bush was.
And now that Gaddafi's about to go toes up at the end of rebel rifles, rather than American ones? Yeah, that shows just how piss-poor of a leader Obama is.
How do I know this? Because Fox Nation said so!
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wrenchwench Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:40:56am |
re: #62 Killgore Trout
Russia Today is in full support of Q'Daffy
'Rebel snipers in Tripoli part of NATO plan to spark mass panic', NATO Evil War On Libya[Video]
They always seem so smarmy, even when interviewing someone I'm pretty sure is not smarmy (Charles Bowden).
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:45:54am |
Afternoon Lizardim. So, my question of speculation: Are they going to kill him, or try to arrest him? (Or kill him while trying to arrest him, but that's a grey area and we can't have that.)
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:47:01am |
From The Guardian
The Evil Dentist speaks!:
7.36pm: Responding to criticism from other countries and calls for his resignation, President Bashar al-Assad remains defiant. He tells Syrian State TV:
Words emanating from the West to us don't concern me, they don't concern a president like me. It is the Syrian people who are standing side by side with the resistance. The Syrian people cannot accept orders from outside, they reject this.
They're talking about human rights. Let's discuss the countries that are talking about human rights. If you see their modern history like in Afghanistan, Iraq, even Libya - who's responsible for the massacres in Libya and the victims? Millions of people have been made disabled, widowed, orphaned.
Speaking live on Syrian State TV, President Bashar al-Assad, says he is confident of the country's security situation. He tells his interviewers:
If there is violence it should be met. Police, security, riot police, any country in the world would use these means to quash anti-social behaviour.
The solution in Syria remains a political one.
We announced a basket of reforms and our solution has always been a political one but that does not mean we should neglect the security side.
We need more focus on the reforms and also we need to achieve laws that will be satisfactory to everyone. We have to set up a deadline. We are going into a transition period on the elections. There will be a review of the constitution and even if we implement all the reforms there will still be a transitional period.
We have started to embark on a dialogue inside the government...but we need more time so people can study the reforms.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:49:24am |
re: #73 thedopefishlives
Afternoon Lizardim. So, my question of speculation: Are they going to kill him, or try to arrest him? (Or kill him while trying to arrest him, but that's a grey area and we can't have that.)
I'm pretty sure they'll just kill him on the spot. The rebels are pretty poorly disciplined and not at all organized. In cases like this it's best to just kill him outright. Dictators can use money and influence to come back to power.
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:49:38am |
Guardian again, asking the Million Dollar Question:
7.41pm: My colleague Chris Stephen sends the following from Zlitan in Libya:
While Libya's rebels continue their military advance, questions remain about whether the opposition National Transitional Council is fit to take the reigns of power if – or when – the regime falls.
The NTC has been recognised as the sole representative of Libya by 32 countries, including Britain, and it will have the task of bringing order to the expected postwar chaos.
Yet it remains without a cabinet, after the last one was sacked by chairman Mustafa Abdul Jalil on 8 August. He made the decision after blaming it for failing to investigate the murder in July of army commander Abdul Fatah Younis.
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blueraven Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:50:19am |
re: #66 laZardo
Who here seriously believes we're still doing this for the "human rights?"
I think that is part of it, yes. But there are larger issues and strategic considerations as well.
What do you think "we" are doing this for?
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Gus Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:52:27am |
Coalition of Libyan rebels lashes out at its own council
A prominent group of Libyan lawyers and judges who shepherded the revolution through its early days has sharply criticized its own rebel council, calling for resignations after a recent high-profile assassination.
The February 17 Coalition contains several of the activists who started the revolt, and their written statement of protest about the mysterious killing of General Abdel Fatah Younis will likely have profound repercussions.
Among other things, the coalition has called for the dismissal of the rebel defence and foreign ministers, and the disbanding of armed groups that support the rebellion but do not fall into the structure of the rebel military.
Abdulsalam El-Musmari, a former judge who leads the coalition, says that Islamists aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood have taken control of key positions within the rebel council and its umbrella group of volunteer fighters, the Union of Revolutionary Forces.
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:54:06am |
re: #73 thedopefishlives
Afternoon Lizardim. So, my question of speculation: Are they going to kill him, or try to arrest him? (Or kill him while trying to arrest him, but that's a grey area and we can't have that.)
Nothing really to be gained by taking him alive. Who'd put him on trial and for what?
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laZardo Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:54:11am |
re: #74 austin_blue
They're talking about human rights. Let's discuss the countries that are talking about human rights. If you see their modern history like in Afghanistan, Iraq, even Libya - who's responsible for the massacres in Libya and the victims? Millions of people have been made disabled, widowed, orphaned.
Casting the first stone aside, he acre: #77 blueraven
Oil, of course. A stable source of it (for Europe at least), democracy be damned.
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:54:58am |
re: #75 Killgore Trout
I'm pretty sure they'll just kill him on the spot. The rebels are pretty poorly disciplined and not at all organized. In cases like this it's best to just kill him outright. Dictators can use money and influence to come back to power.
Agreed. And unlike Osama, his brutalized corpse *will* be displayed, along with those of everyone closely associated with him, for all to see. Tribes brutalized for 42 years have a tendency to enjoy a little revenge on their persecutors. Can't really blame them.
There's actually some pretty good coverage of this between BBC, T'Guardian, and Al Jaz, eh KT? This is fun, since it's already too hot to outside...
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:57:51am |
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:58:01am |
As the Rebel forces Advance into the outskirts of Tripoli, and the days of Gadaffi seem to be numbered, let us stop and reflect for a moment and name all the US servicemen and women who have died in this horrible evil illegal massive war conducted by the evil communist socialist atheist Muslim Obama...
1) ...
Oh, wait, no American Serviceman or woman has died in Libya? uhhh... hmm... but but but...!
(Sarcasm flag: ON)
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:59:05am |
re: #81 austin_blue
Agreed. And unlike Osama, his brutalized corpse *will* be displayed, along with those of everyone closely associated with him, for all to see. Tribes brutalized for 42 years have a tendency to enjoy a little revenge on their persecutors. Can't really blame them.
There's actually some pretty good coverage of this between BBC, T'Guardian, and Al Jaz, eh KT? This is fun, since it's already too hot to outside...
I was hoping al Jaz would be doing live video reports from tripoli. They have folks on the ground but I guess communication is limited. Text coverage is still pretty good.
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blueraven Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:00:00pm |
re: #83 bloodstar
As the Rebel forces Advance into the outskirts of Tripoli, and the days of Gadaffi seem to be numbered, let us stop and reflect for a moment and name all the US servicemen and women who have died in this horrible evil illegal massive war conducted by the evil communist socialist atheist Muslim Obama...
1) ...
Oh, wait, no American Serviceman or woman has died in Libya? uhhh... hmm... but but but...!
(Sarcasm flag: ON)
Oh, but its just like Iraq...blood for oil. //
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laZardo Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:00:08pm |
re: #81 austin_blue
Agreed. And unlike Osama, his brutalized corpse *will* be displayed, along with those of everyone closely associated with him, for all to see. Tribes brutalized for 42 years have a tendency to enjoy a little revenge on their persecutors. Can't really blame them.
Human rights!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:01:45pm |
The Libyan Glenn Beck...
Libyan TV Female Presented is Armed & Ready to defend hereself & Country
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:01:53pm |
re: #14 laZardo
Oh yes. Europe will be getting its oil real soon.
Obviously. With Gaddafi gone, the Euros can buy Libya's oil at world prices and have their companies run the industry, just like they did for 40 years while he was in power.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:03:17pm |
Al Jazeera English: Live Stream
Live coverage, reports on the ground.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:04:06pm |
The End of Gaddafi. I wish the same could be said of Al-Assad in Syria. That Murderer saw the political change throughout the Middle East and smashed the opposition before they could gain some steam. He also had backing from his large base in Syria and his allies in Iran.
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:06:13pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
I was hoping al Jaz would be doing live video reports from tripoli. They have folks on the ground but I guess communication is limited. Text coverage is still pretty good.
Yeah, that is a little disappointing. I think Mo is probably projecting Ebul Jamming Rayz out of his eyeballs.
But since both the text reporting and opinion are so transparent and reasonably presented, I really am saddened at what "news" has become in the US. Who would have thought that Al Jaz English would be more fair and balanced than some local products?
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Idle Drifter Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:06:48pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
The Libyan Glenn Beck...
Libyan TV Female Presented is Armed & Ready to defend hereself & Country
[Video]
She could hold a gun like that pointed at me all day. All the easier to take it from her and say, "You were doing it wrong."
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laZardo Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:08:10pm |
re: #93 Idle Drifter
She could hold a gun like that pointed at me all day. All the easier to take it from her and say, "You were doing it wrong."
"You left the safety on, rookie."
/MGS Reference
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:08:47pm |
re: #91 Idle Drifter
The End of Gaddafi. I wish the same could be said of Al-Assad in Syria. That Murderer saw the political change throughout the Middle East and smashed the opposition before they could gain some steam. He also had backing from his large base in Syria and his allies in Iran.
So, in other words, he made his old man proud?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:09:57pm |
Sky reporter Alex Crawford live by telephone , she is reporting with rebels less than 7 miles from central Tripoli #libya
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:10:20pm |
re: #90 Killgore Trout
Al Jazeera English: Live Stream
Live coverage, reports on the ground.
Oh, goody. Thanks, KT.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:11:05pm |
Supposedly Sky News is now doing live reports from Tripoli too.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:11:36pm |
re: #94 laZardo
I'm surprised the damn thing didn't go off. Must be unloaded.
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:11:58pm |
From Al Jaz. This is a plea from a very desperate human being. I'd feel sorry for him except that he is a stone cold killer:
Quotes from Muammar Gaddafi's audio message via Libya TV:
March towards Tajourah in the thousands now -- now, now, you must march towards Tajourah in the thousands.
A quarter million must go there, or half a million from Tripoli must march towards Tajourah and the Friday Market to cleanse them of the agents of the colonial conspirators."
I am with you in this battle, I am among you now, I am there with my weapon. We shall not give up. We shall never give up Tripoli to the colonialists or traitors.
I am forced to say this because I am afraid that Tripoli will burn if you leave them -- Tripoli would fall in ruins and it would be destroyed. Tripoli would be left without water, electricity, no broadcast stations, without freedom and you would live in fear.
They will kill you and violate your households. I am afraid if you do not get rid of them in Tajourah, what is happening there will happen all over Tripoli. These people don't care if Libya burns or not.
You possess all sorts of weapons. Those of you without a weapon should come and receive a weapon. All the weapons depots must open and the masses must be armed. Thousands must receive weapons now. Open the depots. I give the order to open the depots to arm the masses.
I am with you now, I am with you in Tripoli. There shall be no retreat - we will not retreat until the last inch of land we want to liberate.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:14:24pm |
I am forced to say this because I am afraid that Tripoli will burn if you leave them -- Tripoli would fall in ruins and it would be destroyed. Tripoli would be left without water, electricity, no broadcast stations, without freedom and you would live in fear.
He keeps using these words. I don't think they mean what he thinks they mean.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:14:58pm |
New page up:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
GOP to raise taxes on poor in latest repulsive hypocrisy.
The GOP wants to end a tax break extension in the payroll tax. They can't possibly tax mega corporations who are getting rebates in eras of record profits. They can't possibly tax the top 2% at a rate where they pay the same amount as everyone else by closing loopholes. On Fox, they have started an all out seething fit about how the bottom 50% of America isn't paying income tax at all - a blatant lie as they have taxes taken from every paycheck - and yet still have access to refrigerators. I'm not kidding about complaining that poor people with access to refrigeration are somehow not really poor.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:15:32pm |
Sky: Rebels 10 km from city center, encountering no resistance
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:16:08pm |
re: #102 LudwigVanQuixote
New page up:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
GOP to raise taxes on poor in latest repulsive hypocrisy.
The GOP wants to end a tax break extension in the payroll tax. They can't possibly tax mega corporations who are getting rebates in eras of record profits. They can't possibly tax the top 2% at a rate where they pay the same amount as everyone else by closing loopholes. On Fox, they have started an all out seething fit about how the bottom 50% of America isn't paying income tax at all - a blatant lie as they have taxes taken from every paycheck - and yet still have access to refrigerators. I'm not kidding about complaining that poor people with access to refrigeration are somehow not really poor.
LVQ!
Howdy, my man.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:17:47pm |
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albusteve Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:19:06pm |
once again, my hat is off to the the Rebs....they deserve a lot of credit for hanging in there and especially for taking the fight straight down Mo's throat....to me that's some bigtime courage
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:19:29pm |
Wow. This is happening Really Fast.
AP -> T'Guardian:
AP reports that hundreds of euphoric Libyan rebels have pushed to the western outskirts of Tripoli without meeting any resistance.
Associated Press reporters with the rebels said they reached the Tripoli suburb of Janzour around nightfall Sunday. They were greeted by civilians lining the streets and waving rebel flags. Hours earlier, the same rebel force of hundreds drove out elite forces led by Gaddafi's son Khamis in a brief gunbattle.
The elated fighters danced and cheered, hauling off truckloads of weapons and advanced full speed toward the capital in pickup trucks.
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lostlakehiker Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:19:55pm |
re: #5 elizajane
Think how mind-blowing it will be if Obama not only gets Osama, but also takes out a nasty dictator with no ground troops and pretty minimal expenditure.
Assad must be feeling very, very worried.
If (now, when) Gaddafi goes down, the credit will have to be shared. American ammo, put on target by planes from our NATO allies, targets designated by the special forces of those allies and by Libyan rebels.
Infantry combat carried out by Libyan rebels, possibly with some friendly advice from officers, on detached duty or retired, again from our NATO allies.
Moral support from Tunisia and Egypt and generally, the Arab world.
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:21:36pm |
re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote
Back with a drive by post. How are you?
Crazy from the heat down here, but watching this thing in Libya with a bit of amazement. This is happening really really fast. The wheels have come for Big Mo.
Hope that you and yours are well!
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:21:56pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
Sky: Rebels 10 km from city center, encountering no resistance (emphasis added)
I think this is the end. Gaddafi's mercs have apparently decided to fore-go their next payday in favor of trying to get out of town with their skins.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:22:06pm |
MSNBC are on commercial break.
CNBC has an infomercial going on.
CNN talking heads. Rick Perry now
HLN something about the weight loss
FNC Gold Standard
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jaunte Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:22:52pm |
re: #110 Shiplord Kirel
Gunmen loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi run through the grounds of the Rixos hotel in Tripoli August 21, 2011.
[Link: www.facebook.com...]
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:23:19pm |
re: #111 Idle Drifter
Considering that CNN has reporters trapped in the Rixos, you would think they would do coverage.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:23:24pm |
re: #107 austin_blue
Wow. This is happening Really Fast.
AP -> T'Guardian:
AP reports that hundreds of euphoric Libyan rebels have pushed to the western outskirts of Tripoli without meeting any resistance.
Associated Press reporters with the rebels said they reached the Tripoli suburb of Janzour around nightfall Sunday. They were greeted by civilians lining the streets and waving rebel flags. Hours earlier, the same rebel force of hundreds drove out elite forces led by Gaddafi's son Khamis in a brief gunbattle.
The elated fighters danced and cheered, hauling off truckloads of weapons and advanced full speed toward the capital in pickup trucks.
odds highly favor the rebs in a running street fight...I'm not surprised, but maybe Mo's guys are planning a last stand...even that is doubtful
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:23:25pm |
re: #109 austin_blue
Crazy from the heat down here, but watching this thing in Libya with a bit of amazement. This is happening really really fast. The wheels have come for Big Mo.
Hope that you and yours are well!
Same to you!
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:24:40pm |
re: #111 Idle Drifter
MSNBC are on commercial break.
CNBC has an infomercial going on.
CNN talking heads. Rick Perry now
HLN something about the weight loss
FNC Gold Standard
While the world around us changes, the media are naval gazing...
Pitiful.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:24:41pm |
re: #110 Shiplord Kirel
I think this is the end. Gaddafi's mercs have apparently decided to fore-go their next payday in favor of trying to get out of town with their skins.
for sure
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jaunte Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:24:42pm |
Libya's defected ex-prime minister Abdes Salam Jalloud said Sunday he believed it was too late for his former ally Muammar Gaddafi to strike a deal to leave power and he would likely be killed.
[Link: blogs.aljazeera.net...]
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laZardo Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:25:13pm |
re: #116 austin_blue
While the world around us changes, the media are naval gazing...
Pitiful.
Maybe they just know how it's gonna end.
/
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lostlakehiker Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:25:34pm |
re: #73 thedopefishlives
Afternoon Lizardim. So, my question of speculation: Are they going to kill him, or try to arrest him? (Or kill him while trying to arrest him, but that's a grey area and we can't have that.)
Gaddafi will be killed in combat, is my guess. He cannot relish going before a firing squad, which would be his only real alternative.
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:26:03pm |
re: #110 Shiplord Kirel
I think this is the end. Gaddafi's mercs have apparently decided to fore-go their next payday in favor of trying to get out of town with their skins.
Yeah, supporters of the old regime are not likely to be looked upon kindly. Better to throw down your arms and make a run for it in the confusion.
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:26:04pm |
re: #118 jaunte
In other news, the sky is blue, and it is hot right now in Texas.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:26:23pm |
re: #113 ProLifeLiberal
Considering that CNN has reporters trapped in the Rixos, you would think they would do coverage.
I just have basic cable so I can't cover all bases. BBC World News is pretty good about giving a round up of what's happening around the world but I'm just relying on LGF and Internet news for updates.
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:26:30pm |
re: #106 albusteve
once again, my hat is off to the the Rebs...they deserve a lot of credit for hanging in there and especially for taking the fight straight down Mo's throat...to me that's some bigtime courage
That's a BIG 10/4.
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BenghaziHoops Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:27:02pm |
re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote
Back with a drive by post. How are you?
Good to see you brother.. You better start posting more or I'm going to have to trash talk you every day.. *wink*
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:27:56pm |
re: #111 Idle Drifter
MSNBC are on commercial break.
CNBC has an infomercial going on.
CNN talking heads. Rick Perry now
HLN something about the weight loss
FNC Gold Standard
Heh. I gave up cable TV a couple years ago. I don't miss it at all.
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:28:00pm |
re: #123 Idle Drifter
I just have basic cable so I can't cover all bases. BBC World News is pretty good about giving a round up of what's happening around the world but I'm just relying on LGF and Internet news for updates.
These are good:
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
[Link: blogs.aljazeera.net...]
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:28:09pm |
re: #125 HoosierHoops
When is the Cleveland County Democratic Party meetup next?
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:29:06pm |
re: #126 Killgore Trout
Heh. I gave up cable TV a couple years ago. I don't miss it at all.
Heh. Me too.
Too much noise, not enough data.
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:29:53pm |
re: #111 Idle Drifter
MSNBC are on commercial break.
CNBC has an infomercial going on.
CNN talking heads. Rick Perry now
HLN something about the weight loss
FNC Gold Standard
Well, obviously because we're not the ones leading the charge. What them foreigners do on their own time just doesn't interest us. But when our boys were charging into Baghdad, you couldn't find a station that wasn't running 24/7 coverage.
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HAL2010 Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:30:29pm |
Al-Jazeera always seems first with new info, watched quite a bit today.
Feels strange, I lived outside Tripoli in 95-96.
Link here: [Link: english.aljazeera.net...]
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albusteve Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:30:42pm |
re: #129 austin_blue
Heh. Me too.
Too much noise, not enough data.
TV is my sleeping pill....except for football of course
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:30:59pm |
Nato to wind down Libya air strikes as rebels take fight to Tripoli
The battle to control the Libyan capital could be long and bloody, experts warn, as the rebels are left to close-quarter fighting
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Idle Drifter Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:31:38pm |
re: #126 Killgore Trout
Heh. I gave up cable TV a couple years ago. I don't miss it at all.
I'm thinking about only paying for online services that give me live coverage of the NHL, MLB, and NFL. It's just so damn expensive but you can receive all games not just your local teams.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:32:29pm |
What have we here?
Regime supporters bugging out, sycophants in mourning, corrupt cronies heading for the hills: Looks like Austin when Goodhair finally has to leave office.
| 136 |
jaunte Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:33:51pm |
Tripoli neighborhoods & prisons map:
Image: Tripoli+Prisons.jpg
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:34:42pm |
re: #133 Killgore Trout
With as packed together as everything is, that is a good idea. We'd be causing friendly casualties and civilians killed all the time.
I think the Rebels can deal with tanks with Weapons we have given them.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:34:57pm |
re: #134 Idle Drifter
I'm thinking about only paying for online services that give me live coverage of the NHL, MLB, and NFL. It's just so damn expensive but you can receive all games not just your local teams.
I just let it slide...I have an excellent Comcast deal, $80 for anything I could ever possibly watch....cable and my phone are the only household bills I pay and I'm not going to cancel on principle....days at a time go by when it's not used
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BenghaziHoops Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:36:26pm |
re: #128 ProLifeLiberal
When is the Cleveland County Democratic Party meetup next?
They did cornbread and beans and some state senator talk last Thursday...
There is a wine tasting and art show walk on Main coming up...Tell you the truth..I ain't doing no effen Art walk drinking wine while the temps are in the 100's...It's been so hot here Brother..I'm totally over it.. I'll wait till Fall..
Also once or twice a month they do a luncheon at like Applebees and so dem pol will speak.. Like a local Rep. And we get to meet and greet them..
I got to meet Dr. John Snow From OU one day..He is awesome..Bronze medalist and former Dean of Climatology Dept at OU.. I don't recall what he is going to do this yr..Dean of some dept or other..Man..Him and his wife are American Hero's.. I'm so proud to have had a chat with him at of all place..Applebees in Norman
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jaunte Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:37:41pm |
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engineer cat Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:37:55pm |
o.t.
they keep on running that clip where perry gets all worked up over the possibility of bernanke "printing money"
every time i see i have only one question on my mind:
who's the babe?
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albusteve Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:38:20pm |
re: #140 HoosierHoops
They did cornbread and beans and some state senator talk last Thursday...
There is a wine tasting and art show walk on Main coming up...Tell you the truth..I ain't doing no effen Art walk drinking wine while the temps are in the 100's...It's been so hot here Brother..I'm totally over it.. I'll wait till Fall..
Also once or twice a month they do a luncheon at like Applebees and so dem pol will speak.. Like a local Rep. And we get to meet and greet them..
I got to meet Dr. John Snow From OU one day..He is awesome..Bronze medalist and former Dean of Climatology Dept at OU.. I don't recall what he is going to do this yr..Dean of some dept or other..Man..Him and his wife are American Hero's.. I'm so proud to have had a chat with him at of all place..Applebees in Norman
I think the AP has OU ranked numba 1 at present
| 144 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:39:28pm |
re: #63 jaunte
Another bookburner:
The Amazigh also get a lot of crap in Morocco, and other areas in North Africa.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:39:39pm |
re: #125 HoosierHoops
Good to see you brother.. You better start posting more or I'm going to have to trash talk you every day.. *wink*
Had a power fluctuation there... big storm.
Great to see you too. Do me a favor and please ding up my new page so people see it.
GOP to raise taxes on poor in latest repulsive hypocrisy.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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wrenchwench Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:41:04pm |
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BenghaziHoops Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:41:24pm |
re: #143 albusteve
I think the AP has OU ranked numba 1 at present
Yup..Awesome team..I have my ticket to see Ball State ( Indiana Team) play here Oct. 1st.. Norman is an awesome college town...
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:43:34pm |
re: #140 HoosierHoops
Let me know what the next event you're going to is.
Back to topic.
AJA: FFs have reached Gargaresh, centre city Tripoli, and Gaddafi forces retreat
News has gotten slower. Reason is obvious. It is now 943 over there.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:43:41pm |
Breaking: #Libya state TV: #Gaddafi has just gone for a stroll in the Green Square and other Tripoli streets
[Link: yfrog.com...]
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albusteve Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:43:49pm |
re: #147 HoosierHoops
Yup..Awesome team..I have my ticket to see Ball State ( Indiana Team) play here Oct. 1st.. Norman is an awesome college town...
we know Ball State from the MAC...and the Ball family are my cousins
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ProGunLiberal Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:45:15pm |
I'm off to the APO meeting to say hi to people. If Qaddafi falls by the time I get back (4-ish), tell me.
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BenghaziHoops Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:45:31pm |
re: #145 LudwigVanQuixote
I updinged your page...
I've been doing sports pages and will have Football pages up every week when the season starts...
Good to see you again..
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:45:36pm |
re: #149 Killgore Trout
Breaking: #Libya state TV: #Gaddafi has just gone for a stroll in the Green Square and other Tripoli streets
[Link: yfrog.com...]
Reminds me of Iraq state TV during in the last days of his regime, supposedly showing him strolling around and being cheered by people on the street as the US Army was bearing down on Baghdad.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:46:30pm |
re: #151 ProLifeLiberal
I'm off to the APO meeting to say hi to people. If Qaddafi falls by the time I get back (4-ish), tell me.
Thanks for all your Libya coverage over the past few months. You did a great job keeping us informed while we were distracted by other things.
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wrenchwench Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:47:08pm |
re: #154 Killgore Trout
Thanks for all your Libya coverage over the past few months. You did a great job keeping us informed while we were distracted by other things.
Ditto!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:48:56pm |
re: #152 HoosierHoops
I updinged your page...
I've been doing sports pages and will have Football pages up every week when the season starts...
Good to see you again..
Thanks. Always a pleasure hoops.
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BenghaziHoops Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:50:05pm |
re: #150 albusteve
we know Ball State from the MAC...and the Ball family are my cousins
Hoosiers call Ball State Testicle Tech... I have a Ball U tee shirt..But won't wear it to the game.. I'm not getting into a fight with 82000 fans..
Did you see the fights at the 49er-Raider game? This is a long running tradition.. I've been to a Raider-9er game years ago and there were fights everywhere.. It was disgusting...Worst game I ever went too..
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:50:14pm |
Alex Crawford: THE ROAD IS ACTUALLY GRIDLOCKED. 3 HIGHWAY LANES FILLED WITH REBEL FORCES ENTERING TRIPOLI
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albusteve Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:51:44pm |
re: #153 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Reminds me of Iraq state TV during in the last days of his regime, supposedly showing him strolling around and being cheered by people on the street as the US Army was bearing down on Baghdad.
and the 1d Marines...c'mon
SEMPER FI!
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Kragar Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:53:41pm |
re: #153 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Reminds me of Iraq state TV during in the last days of his regime, supposedly showing him strolling around and being cheered by people on the street as the US Army was bearing down on Baghdad.
Wasn't the Iraqi Information Minister who was giving a speech about how no US forces were anywhere near Bagdad when you could see US tanks passing right behind him?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:53:46pm |
The GOP has been callous and deeply hypocritical for some time, but the nakedness of their hatred of working Americans could not be more plain. All this does is squeeze the middle and lower class harder in a time when they are hit the hardest. Paradoxically the only way to jumpstart an economy in such a situation is to inject money into the economy at that level. We got out of the depression by massive government spending that employed millions of Americans - in the middle and lower classes. But helping working Americans was never a GOP priority. Pyramiding wealth even more and breaking the American workforce so it is desperate and will accept less and less has always been the goal.
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wrenchwench Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:54:38pm |
re: #156 Stanley Sea
On iPad @ apple store. These things are awesome. Hello!!
Still sounds like a feminine hygiene product to me. Especially when you say you're "on" it.
/sorrysorrysorrysorry
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Kragar Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:57:32pm |
re: #164 LudwigVanQuixote
The GOP has been callous and deeply hypocritical for some time, but the nakedness of their hatred of working Americans could not be more plain. All this does is squeeze the middle and lower class harder in a time when they are hit the hardest. Paradoxically the only way to jumpstart an economy in such a situation is to inject money into the economy at that level. We got out of the depression by massive government spending that employed millions of Americans - in the middle and lower classes. But helping working Americans was never a GOP priority. Pyramiding wealth even more and breaking the American workforce so it is desperate and will accept less and less has always been the goal.
There is something wrong with a system were a senior executive is forced to step down over ethics complaints and gets an $80 million severance package at the same time the companies workers are being given pay cuts and being told its to prevent layoffs.
Just an example from my personal experience.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 21, 2011 12:58:12pm |
re: #166 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
There is something wrong with a system were a senior executive is forced to step down over ethics complaints and gets an $80 million severance package at the same time the companies workers are being given pay cuts and being told its to prevent layoffs.
Just an example from my personal experience.
Many people's experience.
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Kragar Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:00:44pm |
re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote
Many people's experience.
I'm sure everything will be fixed when Bachmann personally reduces the price of gas.
Michele Bachmann Friday defended her campaign promise made earlier in the week that the price of gasoline will drop back down below $2 a gallon when she is in the White House. The Minnesota congresswoman and Republican presidential candidate pledged to utilize the nation's vast, untapped resources to bring down high energy prices and "create millions of high-paying jobs instantly."
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:00:55pm |
New live stream on Al Jaz starting now:
[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:04:33pm |
Internal Security building burnt. Many G troops are taking cover in Jabar Bin Heyan School.
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lostlakehiker Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:04:48pm |
re: #66 laZardo
Who here seriously believes we're still doing this for the "human rights?"
And for other reasons. But it's one of the reasons. NATO can't go to war for purely mercenary reasons; public opinion will not permit it. It's a good reason, too. The Germans weren't bayoneting Belgian babies in WW1, but Gaddafi was waging indiscriminate war against his own people, women and children not spared.
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engineer cat Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:04:56pm |
Ghaddafi Mulls Terms For Surrendering Ego
would be required to dress like a normal person and cease striking dramatic poses
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wrenchwench Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:05:20pm |
re: #160 Killgore Trout
Alex Crawford: THE ROAD IS ACTUALLY GRIDLOCKED. 3 HIGHWAY LANES FILLED WITH REBEL FORCES ENTERING TRIPOLI
Hey, Alex Crawford is a chick!
[...]I consider myself a bit of a slow starter. I'm 47 now but I cannot remember ever not wanting to be a foreign correspondent. Lack of opportunity, lack of jobs and definitely lack of contraception meant I had to wait. But I realised recently trekking in Wardak Province in Afghanistan that perhaps age does have its advantages. I was wearing a burqa to protect my modesty, stumbling every few steps.
When I peeked out from under my garment, the hooded militant taking us to our meeting spot glanced round and saw me. A conversation ensued in Pashto with my Afghan interpreter Faisal who then turned to me and said; "It's OK. He says you're an old lady. You can take off the burqa." You know you're getting old when even the militants start looking young. And yet I feel like I am just at the beginning.
That's the end of the article. It's a good one.
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Kragar Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:06:22pm |
re: #172 engineer dog
Ghaddafi Mulls Terms For Surrendering Ego
would be required to dress like a normal person and cease striking dramatic poses
NEVER!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:06:34pm |
RT @Liberty4Libya: Reports that Gadafi son Seif has bn surrounded at Rixos by Tripoli special Units designated 2 collect G Family.
Tripoli may fall before dawn.
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Kragar Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:07:21pm |
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jc717 Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:07:26pm |
re: #164 LudwigVanQuixote
The GOP has been callous and deeply hypocritical for some time, but the nakedness of their hatred of working Americans could not be more plain. All this does is squeeze the middle and lower class harder in a time when they are hit the hardest. Paradoxically the only way to jumpstart an economy in such a situation is to inject money into the economy at that level. We got out of the depression by massive government spending that employed millions of Americans - in the middle and lower classes. But helping working Americans was never a GOP priority. Pyramiding wealth even more and breaking the American workforce so it is desperate and will accept less and less has always been the goal.
What's even more unbelievable is how many middle/lower class people keep voting for them. It's insane.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:07:39pm |
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Idle Drifter Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:07:46pm |
re: #168 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I'm sure everything will be fixed when Bachmann personally reduces the price of gas.
I remember seeing that on news, there's nothing she can say that will surprise me anymore.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:08:43pm |
re: #176 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I wonder if Daffy will be alive to see it.
I think that depends on the quality of his escape plan/hiding space.
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engineer cat Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:09:01pm |
re: #177 jc717
What's even more unbelievable is how many middle/lower class people keep voting for them. It's insane.
they seem to be thinking about opposing the extension of obama's payroll tax break
i wonder how that will go over with middle/lower income people
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:09:53pm |
re: #173 wrenchwench
Hey, Alex Crawford is a chick!
That's the end of the article. It's a good one.
Here's her live coverage.....
[Link: go.sky.com...]
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:10:05pm |
re: #177 jc717
What's even more unbelievable is how many middle/lower class people keep voting for them. It's insane.
I just commented on that very point on my page about the GOP payroll tax hike. I hear echoes of "read my lips..."
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Kragar Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:10:46pm |
re: #179 Idle Drifter
I remember seeing that on news, there's nothing she can say that will surprise me anymore.
I always think of the MST3k riffs whenever a character would say, "Now, you might think I'm crazy but..." and fill in the blanks whenever she speaks.
"I've got grasshoppers taped to my back."
"I replaced my toes with grapes."
"the Tea Party represents 90% of Americans."
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Stanghazi Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:10:52pm |
re: #165 wrenchwench
Still sounds like a feminine hygiene product to me. Especially when you say you're "on" it.
/sorrysorrysorrysorry
Hey whatever it takes. My fucking 3 mo old iPhone died. What luck I have sometimes.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:11:34pm |
re: #160 Killgore Trout
Alex Crawford: THE ROAD IS ACTUALLY GRIDLOCKED. 3 HIGHWAY LANES FILLED WITH REBEL FORCES ENTERING TRIPOLI
Good infrastructure is important. A 4x4 car isn't always practical for your everyday rebel.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:12:03pm |
re: #168 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I'm sure everything will be fixed when Bachmann personally reduces the price of gas.
If she opened up the entire strategic reserve she could lower prices by that much - for a few years. Then we would have no oil and the environment would be even more damaged. She is the worst sort of dangerous idiot. She takes it as an article of faith that there is no AGW and that you can pollute any ground as much as you want without consequences.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:12:16pm |
Sky news reporting virtually no government troops in Tripoli. Sounds of gunfire just from celebrations.
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Kragar Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:12:19pm |
re: #186 prononymous
Good infrastructure is important. A 4x4 car isn't always practical for your everyday rebel.
They could use a Prius for stealth missions...
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laZardo Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:12:22pm |
re: #177 jc717
What's even more unbelievable is how many middle/lower class people keep voting for them. It's insane.
Keep 'em uneducated, they'll believe whatever you tell them.
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:13:13pm |
re: #177 jc717
What's even more unbelievable is how many middle/lower class people keep voting for them. It's insane.
A depressingly large number of people don't understand how progressive taxation works, for example, and think that it's possible under normal progressive taxation (leaving aside deductions etc.) for your take-home income to go down when you earn enough to go into the next tax bracket.
Even more depressing, a lot of those people, when corrected, when they understand they were wrong, do not change their positions or thinking on taxation one bit. It's not formed from rational response, but from cultural and kinship in-grouping, I think.
Hard to fight human nature, but it's possible.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:13:32pm |
re: #190 laZardo
Keep 'em uneducated, they'll believe whatever you tell them.
No one sane has ever accused a teabag of being smart.
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Kragar Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:14:30pm |
re: #187 LudwigVanQuixote
If she opened up the entire strategic reserve she could lower prices by that much - for a few years. Then we would have no oil and the environment would be even more damaged. She is the worst sort of dangerous idiot. She takes it as an article of faith that there is no AGW and that you can pollute any ground as much as you want without consequences.
It also would go directly against her "The Government can't create jobs" spiel, but consistency is not one of her virtues.
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laZardo Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:14:49pm |
re: #171 lostlakehiker
And for other reasons. But it's one of the reasons. NATO can't go to war for purely mercenary reasons; public opinion will not permit it. It's a good reason, too. The Germans weren't bayoneting Belgian babies in WW1, but Gaddafi was waging indiscriminate war against his own people, women and children not spared.
Not for purely mercenary reasons. Neo-colonial ones, perhaps.
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engineer cat Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:15:42pm |
re: #190 laZardo
Keep 'em uneducated, they'll believe whatever you tell them.
Keep America Barefoot And Pregnant
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:18:05pm |
Breaking: Aljazeera Arabic correspondent says rebels reached the green square in the center of #Tripoli.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:19:41pm |
re: #195 engineer dog
Keep America Barefoot And Pregnant
you referring to the vast liberal welfare state?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:19:55pm |
[Link: go.sky.com...]
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:20:20pm |
re: #11 Obdicut
Heh. He already has gotten blame for various bits.
I just mean that Bin Laden was Obama giving the go for something that directly resulted in his death.
Here, NATO, with the US pointedly taking a back seat after the beginning, supported the rebels in a somewhat baffling "We're helping but not really" strategy that I never really got the point of.
It certainly isn't his alone, but it was his decision to aid the rebels once that asked for help. NATO would not have moved without US support and he decided to give it. However limited the role the US played, Obama could have put the kibosh on it and he didn't. Making the decision to help get rid of a dictator (who killed Americans in terrorist acts) and not losing any American troops in the process will be a feather in his cap and make all of his critics, left and right, look damn silly. Not that he would brag about it, because that's not his style.
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jc717 Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:21:33pm |
re: #191 Obdicut
A depressingly large number of people don't understand how progressive taxation works, for example, and think that it's possible under normal progressive taxation (leaving aside deductions etc.) for your take-home income to go down when you earn enough to go into the next tax bracket.
Even more depressing, a lot of those people, when corrected, when they understand they were wrong, do not change their positions or thinking on taxation one bit. It's not formed from rational response, but from cultural and kinship in-grouping, I think.
Hard to fight human nature, but it's possible.
It's not just about taxation; it's part of the human condition regarding accepted beliefs on any topic. We have a natural tendency to discount evidence against existing beliefs and not question evidence that conforms with those beliefs. It takes an awareness of our tendency to do this and an active effort to remain objective enough to change one's mind about existing beliefs. It's quite depressing, and not something that most people are capable of doing.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:21:43pm |
re: #197 albusteve
you referring to the vast liberal welfare state?
No, liberals want women to have free birth control and abortion rights so they won't be barefoot and pregnant.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:22:58pm |
"The biggest party Tripoli has ever seen"
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albusteve Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:24:34pm |
re: #203 Killgore Trout
"The biggest party Tripoli has ever seen"
now, the hunt for Mo begins...I suspect waterboarding or worse will be productive
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engineer cat Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:24:50pm |
Ghaddafi Regime Said To Be Crumbling
i told them not to use so much shortening
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:25:58pm |
lol, Nice dance. He yelled "Allahu Ackbar" and grabbed his crotch like Michael Jackson.
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lostlakehiker Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:27:13pm |
re: #191 Obdicut
A depressingly large number of people don't understand how progressive taxation works, for example, and think that it's possible under normal progressive taxation (leaving aside deductions etc.) for your take-home income to go down when you earn enough to go into the next tax bracket.
Even more depressing, a lot of those people, when corrected, when they understand they were wrong, do not change their positions or thinking on taxation one bit. It's not formed from rational response, but from cultural and kinship in-grouping, I think.
Hard to fight human nature, but it's possible.
That can actually happen to the working poor. For instance, when your income goes above the threshold for food stamps or other assistance programs. A $100 a month raise may cut you off from $400 of food stamps.
This really ought to be reformed. Benefits should taper off, not simply cut off. No more than 25 cents of benefits should disappear per extra dollar earned. Maybe the slope should be yet more gradual.
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zora Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:28:51pm |
OT: Pataki Could Announce Bid Next Week
Sources tell NY1 former New York Gov. George Pataki (R) "is strongly considering entering the crowded race for the Republican presidential nomination."
"Sources say Pataki, who left office in 2007, could make an announcement as early as next week."
[Link: politicalwire.com...]
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:28:58pm |
From T'Guardian:
8.42pm: My colleague Richard Norton-Taylor writes the following on Libya:
After five months of increasingly intensive air strikes, the final stage of the war in Libya will be left to rebel forces in close-quarter fighting in Tripoli, Nato and British officials have said.
Experts said it was the beginning of the endgame for Nato military operations, but warned that the battle for Tripoli could be extremely bloody. They were also concerned about the ability of "disparate militias" to agree on a political settlement.
"What Nato can do is very limited if there is street-by-street fighting," said one UK defence official, referring to the battle for Tripoli.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:31:04pm |
Just posted this page on the happenings in Tripoli. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:32:31pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:32:54pm |
re: #208 zora
OT: Pataki Could Announce Bid Next Week
[Link: politicalwire.com...]
Good Lord, whatever for? He's more boring than Huntsman, Pawlenty and Romney combined. Seriously, what's the point?
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:33:34pm |
From Al Jaz:
9 min 42 sec ago - Libya
Libyan opposition fighters say they have entreated the Green Square in central Tripoli. They entered the capital from the west and are about eight kilometres from the centre of the city.
Britain's Sky news quoting its reporter on the ground, said crowds of Libyans had poured into the streets to greet the advancing rebel army, adding that there were no signs of resistance from forces loyal to veteran leader Muammar Gaddafi.
10 min 42 sec ago - Libya
A Libyan government official said on Sunday that 376 people were killed and more than 1,000 wounded in a rebel assault on the capital.
"There are 376 dead and more than 1,000 wounded" since the attacks were launched late on Saturday, the official told foreign journalists, asking not to be named.
Tags Muammar Gaddafi, NATO
16 min 42 sec ago - Libya
What we are facing now in this war is NATO led by al-Qaeda. The European and western officials are lying to their people when they say they are fighting terrorism. In fact they are fighting with terrorism against the Libyan nation and they are following al Qaeda's orders. Libyan head of security services Abdullah Al-Snousi.
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jaunte Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:34:33pm |
alihabibi1 Ali Habibi
#Tripoli: two of #Gaddafi's sons were arrested so far
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:45:04pm |
Reports: Q'Daffy's personal security brigade has surrendered.
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jaunte Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:45:09pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:48:20pm |
re: #163 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Wasn't the Iraqi Information Minister who was giving a speech about how no US forces were anywhere near Bagdad when you could see US tanks passing right behind him?
I loved the Iraqi Information Minister.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:48:30pm |
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:49:14pm |
Wow.
Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
Adios, dirtbag. Not so nice knowin' ya.
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:50:03pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:53:16pm |
re: #217 SanFranciscoZionist
I loved the Iraqi Information Minister.
Oh, me too. "May their bellies roast in Hell!!!"
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:54:36pm |
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:54:56pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:55:08pm |
re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist
Also, 'Comical Ali'.
I understand he now lives with his wife and kids in the UAE.
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austin_blue Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:56:22pm |
And the Rebs have taken the center of Tripoli. Alex Crawford is reporting live!
Historic day for the Libyan people after 42 Years of Big Mo. Two of his sons captured already.
Soak it in, Lizards!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:57:59pm |
re: #225 austin_blue
And the Rebs have taken the center of Tripoli. Alex Crawford is reporting live!
Historic day for the Libyan people after 42 Years of Big Mo. Two of his sons captured already.
Soak it in, Lizards!
She's doing an awesome job.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:58:31pm |
Some twitter rumors that Q'Daffy was killed in his hiding place.
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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:59:09pm |
re: #227 Killgore Trout
Some twitter rumors that Q'Daffy was killed in his hiding place.
Hold on...just a sec...I think I might feel a tear forming...
//
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 21, 2011 2:02:39pm |
There are reports on social media that state TV in Libya is suffering technical problems or has gone off air. #Libya
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Aug 21, 2011 2:03:27pm |
Great news!
The lawyers are already taking notes and collecting evidence.
Aug. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Husain Mufta stands amid the rubble of a toppled minaret on the roof of Misrata's Hamid mosque wielding what he considers his most powerful weapon in the six- month battle by rebel forces against Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi -- a tape measure.
Mufta, 57, is part of a team of local lawyers compiling evidence for what they hope will be war-crimes prosecutions against Qaddafi and his subordinates. He uses the tape measure to catalog the damage that brought the minaret down in the Mediterranean coastal town about 130 miles east of Tripoli.
"Some are in this war with guns," said Mufta, a former High Court advocate in Misrata. "We fight through the law."
The International Criminal Court issued arrest warrants for Qaddafi, his son Saif Al Islam and intelligence chief Abdullah al-Senussi on June 27, accusing them of war crimes and crimes against humanity related to the killing, injuring, detention and imprisonment of civilians during anti-government protests that began in February.
The lawyers in rebel-held Misrata are conducting a parallel investigation, hoping the results will one day form part of proceedings, either at the ICC or, should the opposition National Transitional Council secure power, a Libyan war-crimes process. They also say they want to bolster the rule-of-law that the rebel council has promised will form the bedrock of a new government if it overthrows Qaddafi.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 21, 2011 2:07:11pm |
re: #231 laZardo
So when's that oil gonna start flowing?
probably as soon as possible....you have a problem with that?
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Aug 21, 2011 2:09:24pm |
Latest from Reuters...
(Reuters) - Following are the latest political and military developments in the Libyan crisis.
* A convoy of Libyan rebels entered a western district of Tripoli and appeared to meet little or no resistance from Muammar Gaddafi's forces, a witness said on Sunday.
* Muammar Gaddafi urged Libyans to take up arms and crush an uprising in Tripoli as rebel troops closed on the capital for a final onslaught on his stronghold.
* Thousands of rebel fighters 25 km (15 miles) west of Tripoli were moving toward the capital on Sunday evening.
* They took control of a barracks belonging to the Khamis brigade, an elite security unit commanded by one of Gaddafi's sons, Khamis.
* There was no sign of fierce resistance from Gaddafi's security forces.
* Gaddafi's former right-hand man Abdel Salam Jalloud, who has defected to the Libyan rebel side, said on Sunday Gaddafi would be toppled within 10 days.
* Gaddafi said on Sunday he will stay in Tripoli "until the end" and called on his supporters around the country to help liberate the capital from a rebel offensive.
* NATO said it conducted 105 air sorties on Saturday, 36 of them strike sorties to identify and hit targets.
* It said key targets hit on Saturday included:
-- in the vicinity of Tripoli: three military facilities, one military storage facility, seven surface-to-air missile transloaders, one radar, one surface-to-surface missile, two armed vehicles, two armoured fighting vehicles, three command and control nodes, two multiple rocket launchers
-- near Sirte: one command and control node
-- in the area of Brega: one multiple rocket launcher, one heavy machine gun, one military firing position
-- in the vicinity of Gharyan: one armed vehicle, one anti-aircraft gun
-- near Zlitan: one surface-to-air missile launcher.
* Since NATO took command of air strikes on March 31, its aircraft have conducted 19,751 sorties including 7,459 strike sorties. NATO members participating in air strikes include France, Britain, Canada, Denmark, Belgium, Italy and the United States.
* Fifteen ships under NATO command are patrolling the central Mediterranean Sea to enforce a U.N. arms embargo. On Saturday, 18 vessels were hailed to determine destination and cargo. One was boarded and diverted.
* A total of 2,276 vessels have been hailed, 228 boarded and ten diverted since the start of the arms embargo.
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laZardo Sun, Aug 21, 2011 2:12:27pm |
re: #232 albusteve
probably as soon as possible...you have a problem with that?
Apart from the fact that we're about to install a vaguely democratic puppet regime that will supply Europe with the oil it needs to power whatever nuclear doesn't? Nothing...
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Aug 21, 2011 2:14:19pm |
This is great.
Gaddafi in hiding as rebels hit Tripoli
LIBYAN tyrant Colonel Gaddafi is in hiding and clinging to power by his fingertips as rebel forces enter capital Tripoli.
The major advance, and uprisings by freedom fighters in the heart of the city, even left former loyalists predicting Gaddafi's rule will end in days.
...In another massive breakthrough they also seized a major military base run by Gaddafi's elite 32nd unit - dubbed the Khamis Brigade after its leader, Gaddafi's bloodthirsty son Khamis, 27.
Rebels took large stores of weapons. As they made their charge towards Tripoli they chanted: "We are coming for you, frizz-head."
Frizz-head? Ha ha ha ha ha!
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