Miss. Defeats Religious Right's 'Personhood' Bill

Miss. Defeats Religious Right’s ‘Personhood’ Bill

Mississippi misogynists miss

US NewsNovember 2011 • Views: 18,208

Fantastic news: the insanely misogynistic “personhood” bill has been defeated in Mississippi.

But they’re not giving up.

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — Mississippi voters Tuesday defeated a ballot initiative that would’ve declared life begins at conception, a proposal that supporters sought in the Bible Belt state as a way to prompt a legal challenge to abortion rights nationwide.

The proposal was pushed by a Colorado-based group, Personhood USA. The group’s co-founder, Keith Mason, says he intends to renew efforts in Mississippi, either through legislation or through another ballot initiative.

The group is trying to put similar initiatives on 2012 ballots in Florida, Montana, Ohio and Oregon, Nevada and California. Mason said the group plans to pursue life-at-fertilization legislation next year in Alabama, Wisconsin and Michigan.

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139 comments

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Nov 8, 2011 7:45:59pm

The whole idea was fucking nuts.

mr.fusion Tue, Nov 8, 2011 7:46:28pm

Absolutely shocking

Obviously this should have failed.....but I'm still shocked that it did

Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 7:47:11pm

But they’re not giving up.

They never will. They'll keep trying with different versions of the bill until they hit upon a winning recipe, then use it as a template for a nationwide bid.

Kragar Tue, Nov 8, 2011 7:48:56pm

STOP WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME AND COME UP WITH A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE, YOU FUCKING NUTBALLS!

prairiefire Tue, Nov 8, 2011 7:50:57pm

Common sense prevails.

Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Nov 8, 2011 7:51:24pm

Looks like GOP over reach is biting them in the butt once again.
I hope this is a sign of things to come.

jaunte Tue, Nov 8, 2011 7:51:39pm

he intends to renew efforts in Mississippi

Needs more robustly resonating words in the group name.
Maybe Patriotic Personhood for USA Family Liberty Council.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 8, 2011 7:52:39pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

STOP WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME AND COME UP WITH A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE, YOU FUCKING NUTBALLS!

Absolutely Concur.

BBIAB, just renewed Norton 360 and now applying Firefox 8.0.

Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 7:53:34pm

So that's anti-abortion and anti-union efforts that have gone down in flames tonight. Good stuff.

recusancy Tue, Nov 8, 2011 7:56:26pm

re: #9 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So that's anti-abortion and anti-union efforts that have gone down in flames tonight. Good stuff.

Don't forget about Maine's voter restricting law going down as well.

Interesting Times Tue, Nov 8, 2011 7:57:03pm

Too bad, womb-stalkers. Looks like the citizens of Mississippi understood this concept after all.

Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 7:57:35pm

re: #10 recusancy

Don't forget about Maine's voter restricting law going down as well.

Ayep, all three things that Republicans are likely going to try to push in the coming year at the polls. Should be interesting to watch how they excuse tonight's losses.

JRCMYP Tue, Nov 8, 2011 7:58:29pm

Holy hell. I'm so tired of people being all up in my uterus. Where were they when I had hyperemesis gravidarum? Three times? Jerks.

palomino Tue, Nov 8, 2011 7:59:00pm

I haven't had a chance to say this often, but in this case: As Mississippi goes, so goes the rest of the nation.

MS...fuck yeah!

JRCMYP Tue, Nov 8, 2011 7:59:04pm

Womb-stalkers. Love that.

goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 8, 2011 7:59:17pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

STOP WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME AND COME UP WITH A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE, YOU FUCKING NUTBALLS!

I get your point but no alternative is necessary, Roe v. Wade is already perfectly reasonable. They should just give up, go home and stop trying to control women's bodies.

jvic Tue, Nov 8, 2011 7:59:48pm

Mississippi:

You will regret this vote next hurricane season.

God

b_sharp Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:00:20pm

re: #13 JRCMYP

Holy hell. I'm so tired of people being all up in my uterus. Where were they when I had hyperemesis gravidarum? Three times? Jerks.

Looking the other way. Womany things are all icky.

Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:00:29pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

I get your point but no alternative is necessary, Roe v. Wade is already perfectly reasonable. They should just give up, go home and stop trying to control women's bodies.

It's not the bodies they want to control so much as the women themselves. To paraphrase, "When you have them by their uterus, their hearts and minds will follow."

Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:00:41pm

50% 0f Americans think the GOP is stalling economic recovery...
Something is happening.

dragonfire1981 Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:01:24pm

Somehow they will blame this all on Obama.

JRCMYP Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:02:06pm

re: #18 b_sharp

Looking the other way. Womany things are all icky.

So sorry. Another reason for my uterus to be mine own. Two words: mucus plug.

Yeah. Thought you might gag.

MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:02:13pm

re: #12 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ayep, all three things that Republicans are likely going to try to push in the coming year at the polls. Should be interesting to watch how they excuse tonight's losses.

They'll not let up, realizing that they've been pushing too hard; instead, they'll most likely double-down, feeling like they didn't go far enough.

Frakking RWNJs...

albusteve Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:02:30pm

frivolous legislation that will be struck down...clog the courts, force yourself into the mainstream

Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:02:33pm

re: #20 OhNoZombies!

50% 0f Americans think the GOP is stalling economic recovery...
Something is happening.

Indeed it is, the GOP's becoming its own worst enemy. As more polls come to this conclusion, they'll have one of two options: Continue to obstruct and try to rationalize it as being "good" or get out of the way and try to take credit for Obama's actions (see also: stimulus spending).

JRCMYP Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:02:35pm

re: #20 OhNoZombies!

50% 0f Americans think the GOP is stalling economic recovery...
Something is happening.

Actually, nothing is happening.

Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:02:56pm

re: #18 b_sharp

You sound like my husband when the females start talking about, well, you know.
I'll spare you.
:-)

albusteve Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:03:06pm

re: #18 b_sharp

Looking the other way. Womany things are all icky.

what?
what?

palomino Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:03:18pm

re: #24 albusteve

frivolous legislation that will be struck down...clog the courts, force yourself into the mainstream

it already got struck down, in the best possible way: by the actual voters in MS.

Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:03:25pm

re: #23 talon_262

They'll not let up, realizing that they've been pushing too hard; instead, they'll most likely double-down, feeling like they didn't go far enough.

Frakking RWNJs...

Some will back down, if only to review the results and tweak their bills in order to avoid the same mistake. But you're right, they'll not let up. In their minds, this isn't the end, just a temporary set-back.

ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:03:35pm

re: #26 JRCMYP

Which is resulting in a shift.

MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:03:45pm

re: #17 jvic

Mississippi:

You will regret this vote next hurricane season.

God

/

Wouldn't surprise me if we hear that exact line (or something close to it) from the hardcore RWNJs like Barton and Robertson next hurricane season...

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:04:00pm

re: #27 OhNoZombies!

You sound like my husband when the females start talking about, well, you know.
I'll spare you.
:-)

A friend of mine's cousin once asked her after a certain kind of commercial...is it really..um...blue? :D

albusteve Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:04:11pm

re: #29 palomino

it already got struck down, in the best possible way: by the actual voters in MS.

I hadn't followed...good for us

JRCMYP Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:04:37pm

re: #31 ProLifeLiberal

Which is resulting in a shift.

I thought that might be the case when Clinton was elected. Carry on.

b_sharp Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:05:21pm

re: #22 JRCMYP

So sorry. Another reason for my uterus to be mine own. Two words: mucus plug.

Yeah. Thought you might gag.

re: #27 OhNoZombies!

You sound like my husband when the females start talking about, well, you know.
I'll spare you.
:-)

I thought by now people would know me well enough I wouldn't have to use sarcasm tags or wingnut highlights.

Sigh.

Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:05:45pm

The war on x-mas starts earlier every year....
Obama Couldn’t Wait: His New Christmas Tree Tax

President Obama’s Agriculture Department today announced that it will impose a new 15-cent charge on all fresh Christmas trees—the Christmas Tree Tax—to support a new Federal program to improve the image and marketing of Christmas trees.

Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:05:54pm

re: #26 JRCMYP

Sure it is. People are starting to become aware, and hopefully they're starting to think.

prairiefire Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:06:38pm

re: #20 OhNoZombies!

50% 0f Americans think the GOP is stalling economic recovery...
Something is happening.

Buffalo Springfield:

Youtube Video

Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:07:22pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

The war on x-mas starts earlier every year...
Obama Couldn’t Wait: His New Christmas Tree Tax

So a fee is now a tax?

dragonfire1981 Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:07:32pm

One good thing: Mississippi is one of the most conservative states in the nation. If Personhood can lose here it will be an even tougher sell elsewhere.

albusteve Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:07:46pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

The war on x-mas starts earlier every year...
Obama Couldn’t Wait: His New Christmas Tree Tax

HA!...everybody hates everybody else...
Merry Christmas you low down piece of shit commie...
oh, hi Mom!

Achilles Tang Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:07:54pm

re: #38 OhNoZombies!

Sure it is. People are starting to become aware, and hopefully they're starting to think.

Over 40% of them are not starting to think, if they ever did. That is worrying enough even as this measure failed, this time.

Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:08:09pm

re: #39 prairiefire

Yay!!!

albusteve Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:09:26pm

re: #43 Naso Tang

Over 40% of them are not starting to think, if they ever did. That is worrying enough even as this measure failed, this time.

one more try...then we nuke em
pass the word

JRCMYP Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:10:05pm

re: #36 b_sharp

re: #27 OhNoZombies!

I thought by now people would know me well enough I wouldn't have to use sarcasm tags or wingnut highlights.

Sigh.

I knew. Hence my lack of sarcasm tags. :)

Another word: farts

(I'm actually only 8 years old).

ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:10:06pm

One of my professors is in this PBS Documentary on Syria.

The second part, his name is Joshua Landis. He himself is married to an Alawite.

[Link: www.pbs.org...]

MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:10:10pm

OMFGWTFBBQ 15 CENTS A TREE!!11ty

Seriously, the RWNJs need to take a long walk off a short pier on this one...

prairiefire Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:10:35pm

I'm starting to get that "comeback" kind of feeling.

jaunte Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:11:49pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

The war on x-mas starts earlier every year...
Obama Couldn’t Wait: His New Christmas Tree Tax

And when we say "fresh" trees we mean "cut down."

Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:11:50pm

re: #48 talon_262

OMFGWTFBBQ 15 CENTS A TREE!!11ty

Seriously, the RWNJs need to take a long walk off a short pier on this one...

A $.15 fee on each tree, paid by the people selling them, to promote Christmas tree sales.

It's the end of humanity as we know it!!!

///

albusteve Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:12:02pm

re: #49 prairiefire

I'm starting to get that "comeback' kind of feeling.

more like a 'payback' feeling for me

Lidane Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:12:18pm

re: #9 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So that's anti-abortion and anti-union efforts that have gone down in flames tonight. Good stuff.

Yep. It's a good night.

Gus Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:13:02pm

Good God. The Xmas tree industry seems to be promoting this.

Christmas Tree Promotion Now

The industry continues to await the USDA's decision on a potential checkoff program. The proposed program was published November 8, 2010. The initial public comment period was scheduled to close on February 7th, 2011 and was subsequently extended to March 8th, 2011.

The majority of public comments submitted and 17 of 19 trade organizations that submitted comments support the order.

It is still possible for a program to be in place to collect funds on trees sold this season to be used to promote Christmas tree sales in 2012, but action is needed soon.

---

A Christmas tree promotion, research and information order would allow producers and importers the structure to self-assess real Christmas trees to fund research and promotion similar to dairy farmers or cattle ranchers...

engineer cat Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:13:44pm

The economy is barely growing and nine percent of the American people have no jobs. Is a new tax on Christmas trees the best President Obama can do?

um, i'll respond to that when you pass the Large Infrastructure Bill you're sitting on thank you

palomino Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:13:56pm

I don't visit Drudge often, and when I do it's usually by mistake. Anyway, wouldn't you think the ballot initiatives in OH and MS would at least warrant some mention?

Especially when the actual Drudge headline is trivial--Obama making a funny face at a little kid captioned by a scary message about his whopping 15 cent Xmas tree tax. Talk about creating a bubble and living in epistemic closure.

Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:14:11pm

re: #43 Naso Tang

Well I figure 25% are just stone crazy, and the other 15% are just crazy when it comes to abortion.
Damn. That's a lot of crazy...

Gus Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:14:46pm

Also go to page 2 here.

[Link: www.gpo.gov...]

The proponent, the Christmas Tree Checkoff Task Force is an industry wide group of producers and importers that support this proposed program. They have conducted meetings throughout the United States with several State and multi-State Christmas tree organizations.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:15:37pm

re: #31 ProLifeLiberal

Which is resulting in a shift.

Well, since the Dems left their "Millionaire's Tax" off of the Veteran's Jobs' bill, I expect that one will be passed.

Gus Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:16:18pm

re: #54 Gus 802

Good God. The Xmas tree industry seems to be promoting this.

Christmas Tree Promotion Now

More from this link:

Real trees tell a positive story about local farms, environmental stewardship and cultural tradition. And they need the fair and sustainable structure such an order provides to compete against factory built, outsourced, plastic trees, which are dramatically increasing in market share and landfills.

The 15 cents will be used to have the Feds promote natural Christmas trees. This is actually going to help the tree farm seasonal growers.

Lidane Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:17:08pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Well, since the Dems left their "Millionaire's Tax" off of the Veteran's Jobs' bill, I expect that one will be passed.

ROFL. You've got high hopes for this current incarnation of the GOP.

They're not going to pass anything Obama wants. It's not in their interests, because if they do, the wingnuts will screech and threaten to primary them with a teabagger.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:17:42pm

re: #50 jaunte

And when we say "fresh" trees we mean "cut down."

That won't hit me this year. My building has banned real trees due to the fire hazard risks.

Gus Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:18:02pm

It's basically a small subsidy to PROMOTE natural Xmas trees.

Heritage caught with their pants down. This is page worthy.

ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:18:13pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Come back to it later when not dealing with the obstinacy we have now.

Since politics have become a culture war, my side must act like it.

Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:18:25pm

re: #61 Lidane

ROFL. You've got high hopes for this current incarnation of the GOP.

They're not going to pass anything Obama wants. It's not in their interests, because if they do, the wingnuts will screech and threaten to primary them with a teabagger.

Ayep. Obama can cut, strip, flay, or gut anything he wants out of his bills, but the GOP will not pass them. They've even turned up their noses at tax cuts, provided the people who'd benefit from them are the poor and working class, rather than the rich.

Gus Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:18:38pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

The war on x-mas starts earlier every year...
Obama Couldn’t Wait: His New Christmas Tree Tax

Killgore! I still love ya man.

jaunte Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:19:09pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

Could be an opportunity for the tumbleweed harvesters!

Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:21:29pm

re: #61 Lidane

ROFL. You've got high hopes for this current incarnation of the GOP.

They're not going to pass anything Obama wants. It's not in their interests, because if they do, the wingnuts will screech and threaten to primary them with a teabagger.

Not on that bill they won't. Said wingnuts do understand that voting against a veteran's bill that does not raise taxes would be extremely bad politics. Nor would such a vote in favor be something you could really criticize. That's why the Dems left off the tax: Because Obama really wants this part of his plan to pass, its not being pushed primarily for political reasons. Rand Paul might cast a 'no' vote, but he might be the only one. I think this bill passes the Senate on a voice vote.

Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:21:41pm

re: #63 Gus 802

It's basically a small subsidy to PROMOTE natural Xmas trees.

Heritage caught with their pants down. This is page worthy.

Thank you for it, kind sir. I just used it as a clue-by-four to knock down a few hyperventilating wingnuts on another board.

bratwurst Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:22:03pm

If you are feeling a little too smart tonight and have an IQ point or two to spare, I have just the article for you to read:

Why the 7 to 11% national polls show Ron Paul is the frontrunner

(as if there were actually a legit poll showing Ron Paul at 11%)

Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:23:26pm

re: #64 ProLifeLiberal

Come back to it later when not dealing with the obstinacy we have now.

Since politics have become a culture war, my side must act like it.

No need for that. The bill is basically agreeable to both sides. Maybe a few things get tweaked to give people their favored projects, but the bill should pass fundamentally intact.

Gus Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:25:07pm

re: #69 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Thank you for it, kind sir. I just used it as a clue-by-four to knock down a few hyperventilating wingnuts on another board.

Took about 10 second too. Sheesh. What a bunch of tools.

jaunte Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:26:11pm

Meet the founder and director of Personhood Mississippi: far-right extremist Les Riley.

Riley used to be a featured blogger for the Christian separatist group Christian Exodus. According to Christian Exodus’s mission statement, “The initial goal was to move thousands of Christian constitutionalists to South Carolina to accelerate the return to self-government based upon Christian principles at the local and State level. This project continues to this day, with the ultimate goal of forming an independent Christian nation that will survive after the decline and fall of the financially and morally bankrupt American empire.”
[Link: www.rightwingwatch.org...]

Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:26:19pm

re: #70 bratwurst

Wow. That was a whole page of wishful thinking.

Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:26:20pm

re: #72 Gus 802

Took about 10 second too. Sheesh. What a bunch of tools.

You'd think that folks would eventually figure out that Heritage is absolutely, positively full to the brim with shit, but they keep acting as though it's some authoritative source.

engineer cat Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:27:58pm

Blocking the veterans provision would be a risky political move for Republicans, who have stalled other popular aspects of Obama’s jobs plan -- including a provision that would have provided money to cash-strapped states to keep public school teachers and firefighters on the job, and another to invest in roads, bridges and other infrastructure.

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:28:54pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Maybe on this. However, on other issues, my side should be doing roughly equivalent actions. I can see an equivalent action to mirror DOMA for example.

austin_blue Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:29:49pm

They won't stop.

What needs to be done?

Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:31:03pm

re: #78 austin_blue

They won't stop.

They won't stop.

They won't stop.

What needs to be done?

Continue educating the public and convincing them to get out and vote.

Gus Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:31:16pm

re: #75 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You'd think that folks would eventually figure out that Heritage is absolutely, positively full to the brim with shit, but they keep acting as though it's some authoritative source.

If you gave Heritage an enema they could be buried in a matchbox.

Gus Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:32:06pm

@Gus_802 Gus
@Heritage Bogus. That GIANT 15 cent tax will be used to promote natural Xmas trees. It's supported by the industry. [Link: christmastreepromotion.com...]

jaunte Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:32:44pm

Image: bachmanneyes.png

Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:33:19pm

re: #82 jaunte

Image: bachmanneyes.png

GAH! Don't scare me like that!

Lidane Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:33:23pm

re: #70 bratwurst

If you are feeling a little too smart tonight and have an IQ point or two to spare, I have just the article for you to read:

Why the 7 to 11% national polls show Ron Paul is the frontrunner

(as if there were actually a legit poll showing Ron Paul at 11%)

ROFL. One of my FB friends is a Paulian. It's annoying, but I want to keep the friendship so I don't call him on it. Yesterday he shared some poll from Judge Napolitano asking which GOP candidate people would vote for. Naturally, Luap Nor had a huge lead.

Internet polls have yet to translate to actual votes for him, thank SRV. I'd never, ever want that lunatic near the Oval Office.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:33:23pm

I am really sick of these people. On the one hand, I am very glad that this atrocious bill was defeated. On the other, I am just tired of the fact that the forces of hateful stupidity will be back - again and again. Fundamentalist Christianity is like some perverse vampire in America - it just won't stay dead, yet it continues to drain the vital energies of this nation no matter how many times it has been banished.

I am sick and tired of dealing with the forces of stupid.

freetoken Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:34:25pm

re: #81 Gus 802

PAGANISM!!

austin_blue Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:34:51pm

re: #79 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Continue educating the public and convincing them to get out and vote.

So many idiots...

Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:35:14pm

re: #81 Gus 802

@Gus_802 Gus
@Heritage Bogus. That GIANT 15 cent tax will be used to promote natural Xmas trees. It's supported by the industry. [Link: christmastreepromotion.com...]

You know what'll be the next argument, right? "Well, of course they support it, it helps them! The government shouldn't pick winners and losers!"

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:35:33pm

re: #84 Lidane

ROFL. One of my FB friends is a Paulian. It's annoying, but I want to keep the friendship so I don't call him on it. Yesterday he shared some poll from Judge Napolitano asking which GOP candidate people would vote for. Naturally, Luap Nor had a huge lead.

Internet polls have yet to translate to actual votes for him, thank SRV. I'd never, ever want that lunatic near the Oval Office.

If we had a sane nation, republicans would be put in mental institutions where they could be treated for their cruel, uncaring, sociopathic tendencies and schizophrenic inability to deal with the real world.

Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:36:55pm

re: #84 Lidane

ROFL. One of my FB friends is a Paulian. It's annoying, but I want to keep the friendship so I don't call him on it. Yesterday he shared some poll from Judge Napolitano asking which GOP candidate people would vote for. Naturally, Luap Nor had a huge lead.

Internet polls have yet to translate to actual votes for him, thank SRV. I'd never, ever want that lunatic near the Oval Office.

Yeah, I hear that time and again: "Paul's won the straw poll! And these internet polls! The whole thing's rigged!" Besides being unintentionally hilarious, it's also proof of just how disconnected people are from the whole thing. Most straw polls have been historically poor indicators of who would be the candidate, let alone president. And internet polls might as well declare "Vote early and vote often!"

recusancy Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:37:05pm

The creator of that bigoted Arizona immigration law has successfully been recalled.

Gus Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:37:13pm

re: #87 austin_blue

So many idiots...

So little time.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:37:27pm

re: #78 austin_blue

They won't stop.

They won't stop.

They won't stop.

What needs to be done?

I think we should clear out a large square state without too many folks in it that we won't miss, like one of the Dakotas. We can put all of them there and let them have a little republic of Jesusstan.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:37:44pm

re: #91 recusancy

The creator of that bigoted Arizona immigration law has successfully been recalled.

That is excellent news!

jaunte Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:38:57pm

re: #87 austin_blue

So many idiots...

There goes one now...

Texas Rep. Joe Driver Indicted

State Rep. Joe Driver, (R-Garland) who candidly acknowledged pocketing taxpayer reimbursements for travel paid by his campaign, has been indicted on felony abuse-of-office charges, Fox 4 News in Dallas reported Tuesday.
Driver recently announced he was leaving the Legislature at the end of his current term. Last year, Driver acknowledged that for years he had been submitting identical receipts, for airfare, fancy hotels and other expenses, to his campaign and to the Texas House of Representatives.

The Garland Republican admitted to the double-billing in an interview but said he thought it was appropriate — until a reporter asked him about it.

“Well, it doesn’t sound like it is now, if you bring it up that way,” Driver said.

“It pretty well screws my week,” Driver added.

ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:39:22pm

re: #91 recusancy

Fantastic to hear.

Now its our turn!

Lidane Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:39:24pm

re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote

Fundamentalist Christianity is like some perverse vampire in America - it just won't stay dead, yet it continues to drain the vital energies of this nation no matter how many times it has been banished.

That's because this country was founded by the Pilgrims, who were religious nutjobs who thought that everyone else was too liberal. It's been ingrained in this country ever since.

I am sick and tired of dealing with the forces of stupid.

True that. I'm just glad these idiots lost in the polls tonight.

Gus Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:40:10pm

@Gus_802 Gus
Far-right agenda loses big in elections across the USA tonight. #p2 #p21 #tcot #tlot #gop #obama #usa #ocra #unions #aflcio

goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:40:50pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

The war on x-mas starts earlier every year...
Obama Couldn’t Wait: His New Christmas Tree Tax

Yay! Another dumbshit right wing hoax.

100

Digital Display Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:40:54pm

Leno shredded Cain tonight.. Funnier than Hell..Herman you are done...

101

recusancy Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:41:17pm

Romney was pro Personhood Amendment. I say was because you never know where he'll stand tomorrow.

102

ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:41:27pm

re: #100 HoosierHoops

What did he do? I'm (trying) to do homework, and didn't see it.

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Gus Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:41:30pm

I love to rub it in their faces at #tcot and #ocra. Keep fighting and fight hard! Give these bastards hell and never stop. Damn the right-wing and the boat they floated in on.

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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:42:22pm

re: #101 recusancy

Romney was pro Personhood Amendment. I say was because you never know where he'll stand tomorrow.

Probably wait til he gets asked, then mutter something about "states rights" before trying to change the subject. Hey, did you know he was actually in the private sector and ran a business?

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Digital Display Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:43:59pm

re: #102 ProLifeLiberal

What did he do? I'm (trying) to do homework, and didn't see it.

He cracked wicked jokes...Cain is in big trouble now.. Late night comedians can destroy you.. I laughed my ass off..I wish I'd recorded it..

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Gus Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:45:10pm

LOL Butthurt!

@laborunionrpt LaborUnionReport
Or was just outspent. RT @Gus_802: Far-right agenda loses big in elections across the USA tonight. #p2 #tcot #LUR #unions

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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:45:24pm

re: #97 Lidane

That's because this country was founded by the Pilgrims, who were religious nutjobs who thought that everyone else was too liberal. It's been ingrained in this country ever since.

I hear your point - but to be fair, it isn't the Puritans who are our problems these days. New England has long been a bastion of education in this nation. This crap doesn't fly there so well any more and it was changing dramatically even in the time of Adams. Too much business in the real world, and giant influxes of other views from many different immigrant populations knocked that out of them.

I think the real problem comes from all those 19th century "great awakening" tent revival types and their mega church successors. Not Christianity per-se, but the charismatic business of Christianity that links to money, intellectual poverty and politics.

True that. I'm just glad these idiots lost in the polls tonight.

Amen to that.

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austin_blue Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:46:00pm

re: #93 LudwigVanQuixote

I think we should clear out a large square state without too many folks in it that we won't miss, like one of the Dakotas. We can put all of them there and let them have a little republic of Jesusstan.

Nah, too much Indian land. I would suggest Johnson Island. If you are going to make it Coventry, make it real.

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Gus Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:47:05pm

re: #98 Gus 802

@Gus_802 Gus
Far-right agenda loses big in elections across the USA tonight. #p2 #p21 #tcot #tlot #gop #obama #usa #ocra #unions #aflcio

Retweet this if you can guys.

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freetoken Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:47:06pm

re: #107 LudwigVanQuixote

Indeed, it is not so much Puritanism as it is reactionary fundamentalism of the early 20th century, that has been trying to assert itself in American politics since the election of 1980.

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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:47:26pm

re: #106 Gus 802

LOL Butthurt!

@laborunionrpt LaborUnionReport
Or was just outspent. RT @Gus_802: Far-right agenda loses big in elections across the USA tonight. #p2 #tcot #LUR #unions

"Yeah, it would have worked if we'd spent even more money!" *rolls eyes*

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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:48:04pm

re: #108 austin_blue

Nah, too much Indian land. I would suggest Johnson Island. If you are going to make it Coventry, make it real.

Well said. the Native Americans have been fucked over hard enough as it is.

Fine... how about Nevada?

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engineer cat Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:48:17pm

re: #105 HoosierHoops

He cracked wicked jokes...Cain is in big trouble now.. Late night comedians can destroy you.. I laughed my ass off..I wish I'd recorded it..

i figure that a large percentage of americans get most of their political opinions from what they hear on tonite show monologues...

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Gus Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:48:29pm

re: #111 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"Yeah, it would have worked if we'd spent even more money!" *rolls eyes*

Pretty ironic isn't it? These fucking right wingers complaining about being outspent. What a bunch of losers. With Citizens United and corporate big money behind them.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:49:24pm

Oh look, our extremely boring primary turned out exactly the way we knew it would.

Last election's Republican will put up the token resistance against a woman named Susan Bonamici.

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Interesting Times Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:49:44pm

re: #112 LudwigVanQuixote

Well said. the Native Americans have been fucked over hard enough as it is.

Fine... how about Nevada?

Choose whatever state will most suffer the consequences of AGW and dump them there. As they sow, so shall they reap :)

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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:49:57pm

re: #114 Gus 802

Pretty ironic isn't it? These fucking right wingers complaining about being outspent. What a bunch of losers. With Citizens United and corporate big money behind them.

It's just the early hours, you have to give them time. I'm sure by tomorrow we'll be told about "voter fraud," misleading ads, and all other kinds of excuses that don't touch on the core reality that voters simply got turned off by puritanism and restricting workers rights.

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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:50:48pm

re: #101 recusancy

Romney was pro Personhood Amendment. I say was because you never know where he'll stand tomorrow.

Shakes head...

The only thing we can say for sure about Romney is that he really badly wants to be president - so much so, he would never dare show spine on any issue - save of course, protecting corporate interests.

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Gus Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:50:51pm

re: #117 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's just the early hours, you have to give them time. I'm sure by tomorrow we'll be told about "voter fraud," misleading ads, and all other kinds of excuses that don't touch on the core reality that voters simply got turned off by puritanism and restricting workers rights.

SOROS!!11ty ACORN!!11ty

They'll have to get really drunk on their moonshine and 3-2 beer again.

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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:50:51pm

re: #116 publicityStunted

Oceanfront land in a few years! Ought to fix their housing market!

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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:50:54pm

re: #113 engineer dog

Considering what happened to McCain involving Letterman, you may be right.

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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:51:16pm

re: #116 publicityStunted

Choose whatever state will most suffer the consequences of AGW and dump them there. As they sow, so shall they reap :)

Nevada goes first... I was already ahead of you.

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ProGunLiberal Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:51:31pm

re: #116 publicityStunted

Florida it is then.

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:51:34pm

re: #73 jaunte

Meet the founder and director of Personhood Mississippi: far-right extremist Les Riley.

So he fancies himself in the model of John C. Calhoun, does he? I'd reply by asking the board who we'd like to cast as the modern day Andrew Jackson.

And of course, there is the matter of my standing reply to southern secessionists:

Youtube Video

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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:52:25pm

re: #117 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's just the early hours, you have to give them time. I'm sure by tomorrow we'll be told about "voter fraud," misleading ads, and all other kinds of excuses that don't touch on the core reality that voters simply got turned off by puritanism and restricting workers rights.

Well they haven't gotten through all the voting restrictions they wanted...

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darthstar Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:52:32pm

Mississippi did something right? Wow. Did someone tell the voters all women's eggs were from easter?

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erik_t Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:53:02pm

Angry vengeful fetus-loving thought-hating God knows that if you can't get a bass-ackwards regressive-as-hell religion-beating nutball-law passed in Mississippi, the next logical step is to try Oregon and California.

/////

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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:53:34pm

re: #125 LudwigVanQuixote

Well they haven't gotten through all the voting restrictions they wanted...

Tonight was just generally a bad night all around for far-Right wet dreams. You'd hope it might be a sobering experience for some, but I've no doubt that the excuse-making is already in full swing and we'll have the first round of them in time for the morning news cycle.

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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:53:40pm

re: #125 LudwigVanQuixote

*smooch*
Lovely to catch up with you!

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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:54:14pm

re: #115 EmmmieG

Oh look, our extremely boring primary turned out exactly the way we knew it would.

Last election's Republican will put up the token resistance against a woman named Susan Bonamici.

Well this is good!

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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:54:27pm

re: #129 Floral Giraffe

*smooch*
Lovely to catch up with you!

You too sweetheart!

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Interesting Times Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:55:05pm

re: #122 LudwigVanQuixote

Nevada goes first... I was already ahead of you.

I would have guessed Texas or Oklahoma.

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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:56:28pm

re: #132 publicityStunted

I would have guessed Texas or Oklahoma.

Good guesses, but the water crisis will hit Nevada first... largely due to Vegas. The higher temperatures will just exacerbate an already depleted demand as the Colorado river dries and rain diminishs even more and aquafiers are depleted.

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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:57:51pm

re: #133 LudwigVanQuixote

Grass & golfcourses in the middle of a desert?
SHOCKA! We people can be SO STUPID at times!

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:01:00pm

re: #130 LudwigVanQuixote

Well this is good!

This district has not gone Republican since 1974. Even Provo County, Utah elected a Democrat more recently than that.

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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:03:54pm

re: #48 talon_262

OMFGWTFBBQ 15 CENTS A TREE!!11ty

Seriously, the RWNJs need to take a long walk off a short pier on this one...

Don't they want to ban trees anyways since it detracts from celebrating Jesus?

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Eventual Carrion Wed, Nov 9, 2011 5:55:13am

re: #55 engineer dog

The economy is barely growing and nine percent of the American people have no jobs. Is a new tax on Christmas trees the best President Obama can do?

um, i'll respond to that when you pass the Large Infrastructure Bill you're sitting on thank you

Yeah, or start bitching about the banks charging more and more to access your own money. These assholes need to quit bellyaching about the piddly nickles and start looking at the 1000 dollar bills.

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William of Orange Wed, Nov 9, 2011 9:59:22am

At least I'm right to call a person a person once it's born...

But the Republican party tends to forget that from time to time.

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thecommodore Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:04:44am

A pleasant surprise from a state that still has the Confederate Flag on it's stage flag, and that didn't ratify the 13th amendment until 1995.

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