New IPCC Report Cautiously Finds Climate Change Responsible for Extreme Weather

“A hotter, moister atmosphere is an atmosphere primed to trigger disasters”
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As the Republican Party sinks ever deeper into anti-science denial, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has released a new report that concludes, in very cautious language, that at least some of the extreme weather events we’ve seen around the world are consequences of human-induced climate change.

The findings were released at a conference in Kampala, Uganda, by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a high-profile United Nations body assigned to review and report periodically on developments in climate research. They come at a time of unusual weather disasters around the globe, from catastrophic flooding in Asia and Australia to blizzards, floods, heat waves, droughts, wildfires and windstorms in the United States that have cost billions of dollars.

“A hotter, moister atmosphere is an atmosphere primed to trigger disasters,” said Michael Oppenheimer, a Princeton University climate scientist and a principal author of the new report. “As the world gets hotter, the risk gets higher.” …

The new report on extreme weather, one of a string of reports that the panel is issuing on relatively narrow issues, did not break much ground scientifically, essentially refining findings that have been emerging in climate science papers in recent years.

Indeed, the delegates meeting in Kampala adopted scientifically cautious positions in some areas. For instance, some researchers have presented evidence suggesting that hurricanes are growing more intense because of climate change, but the report sided with a group of experts who say that such a claim is premature.

Nonetheless, the report predicted that certain types of weather extremes will grow more numerous and more intense as human-induced global warming worsens in coming decades.

“It is virtually certain that increases in the frequency and magnitude of warm daily temperature extremes and decreases in cold extremes will occur in the 21st century on the global scale,” the report said. “It is likely that the frequency of heavy precipitation or the proportion of total rainfall from heavy falls will increase in the 21st century over many areas of the globe.”

By the end of the century, if greenhouse emissions continue unabated, the type of heat wave that now occurs once every 20 years will be occurring every couple of years across large areas of the planet, the report predicted.

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66 comments
1 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 12:26:29pm

Repost from overnight:

I've started to get a lot of dark enjoyment out of the fact that the corporations who've moved their operations to the developing world often also promote AGW denial, and the developing world is going to get whomped by AGW which will disrupt if not outright shut down those overseas plants. We're seeing it in Thailand right now.

Great job thinking that one through, geniuses.

2 bratwurst  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 12:32:05pm

Pushback in 5...4...3...2...

3 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 12:33:19pm

There are times I honestly wonder how bad things have to get before the denial becomes impossible anymore. Does a Cat 5 have to crash into Washington D.C. before people begin to take this shit seriously?

4 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 12:34:08pm

It will look like L.A. in the Blade Runner. Buy stock in anti-fungal cream now!

5 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 12:36:30pm

But...but....

Unpossible!

It would mean that God *doesn't* hate Texas!!

[Link: droughtmonitor.unl.edu...]

6 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 12:45:47pm

re: #2 bratwurst

Pushback in 5...4...3...2...

Actually, the pushback started days ago when parts of the report were leaked.

It comes in the form of selectively pulling out the heavily qualified sections of the report, and saying that they vindicate "skepticism."

I think it is a good thing that the language is qualified as it is in this report. Some climate scientists would say that it underrepresents the danger, and I get that; but with qualified statements such as contained in this report, it becomes easier to separate out the relatively few non-fake "skeptics" from the deniers. To win sufficient political will to enact policies for climate change mitigation, we need to clear the smokescreen that politically motivated deniers use to obscure their ideological agenda.

7 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 12:52:27pm

Aw great. Nascar fans boo FLOTUS. Way to go!

8 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 12:53:22pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

Aw great. Nascar fans boo FLOTUS. Way to go!

Losers. Who boos the first lady?

9 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 12:56:05pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Losers. Who boos the first lady?

Confederates. The title never fit so well. I guess she was there for the families of soldiers charity. Everything out the window. Hate wins.

10 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 12:56:32pm

Sorry about the jack. Carry on!

11 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 12:57:13pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Losers. Who boos the first lady?

Has there ever been a FLOTUS who was anywhere near as hated as Michelle Obama?

I can't figure out what attribute she might have that distinguishes her so much from her predecessors.

Ya think maybe it's because she's tall?

12 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 12:58:56pm

re: #6 Talking Point Detective

Actually, the pushback started days ago when parts of the report were leaked.

It comes in the form of selectively pulling out the heavily qualified sections of the report, and saying that they vindicate "skepticism."

I think it is a good thing that the language is qualified as it is in this report. Some climate scientists would say that it underrepresents the danger, and I get that; but with qualified statements such as contained in this report, it becomes easier to separate out the relatively few non-fake "skeptics" from the deniers. To win sufficient political will to enact policies for climate change mitigation, we need to clear the smokescreen that politically motivated deniers use to obscure their ideological agenda.

They'd spin it either way. If the report was unqualified, they'd portray it's authors as "Chicken Littles" who are trying to scare governments because AGW is being "proven" as a "hoax." And by being qualified, the same deniers instead push the qualifications as "proof" that skepticism is warranted and that we "shouldn't jump to conclusions."

13 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:00:24pm

re: #11 Talking Point Detective

Has there ever been a FLOTUS who was anywhere near as hated as Michelle Obama?

Eleanor Roosevelt comes closest, tellingly for her civil rights work.

14 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:01:40pm

re: #11 Talking Point Detective

Has there ever been a FLOTUS who was anywhere near as hated as Michelle Obama?

I can't figure out what attribute she might have that distinguishes her so much from her predecessors.

Ya think maybe it's because she's tall?

Maybe Mrs. Roosevelt, as Frank puts it, perhaps not surprisingly for being active in Civil Rights.

15 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:01:47pm

re: #11 Talking Point Detective

They're jealous of her arms.
//
At least I am...

16 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:03:45pm

re: #11 Talking Point Detective

Has there ever been a FLOTUS who was anywhere near as hated as Michelle Obama?

I can't figure out what attribute she might have that distinguishes her so much from her predecessors.

Ya think maybe it's because she's tall?

Hillary Rodham Clinton.

17 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:04:49pm

Nancy Reagan was well despised in many circles and never particularly loved even by conservatives...

18 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:06:08pm

re: #5 austin_blue

But...but...

Unpossible!

It would mean that God *doesn't* hate Texas!!

[Link: droughtmonitor.unl.edu...]

I think of you when I don't let the water run while working at the sink. The town might have to move. How can it run without water?

19 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:10:22pm

re: #12 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They'd spin it either way. If the report was unqualified, they'd portray it's authors as "Chicken Littles" who are trying to scare governments because AGW is being "proven" as a "hoax." And by being qualified, the same deniers instead push the qualifications as "proof" that skepticism is warranted and that we "shouldn't jump to conclusions."

Sure - deniers will spin it either way; but reaction to this report is pretty telling.

Here's the thing, IMO: In the past, some "skeptics" have claimed that their problem with the IPCC isn't that they doubt that the earth is warming, or that they doubt that CO2 can, theoretically, warm the climate. They claim that their "skepticism" is based on a misrepresented degree of certainty as reported by the IPCC. They have largely ignored the actual language of the IPCC - which states that it is 90% likely that more than 50% of the recent warming is due to anthropologically generated CO2, and thus does recognize uncertainty - because the IPCC and other scientific reports haven't really put the levels of uncertainty that do exist front and center. Instead, they claim that all climate scientists say that the "science is settled" that all recent warming is caused by anthropogenic CO with 100% certainty.

Now of course, their claims aren't true - but by being more explicit about uncertainty, the IPCC is doing reflects the advice of many folks with expertise in communications have been recommending.

In other words, if we go through a couple of years with less extreme weather or flattened global temps - which is quite consistent with long-term predictions of AGW's impact - if the uncertainties have been highlighted it makes it that much more difficult for deniers to falsely portray themselves as "skeptics" who only doubt the certainty of the IPCC's predictions.

They will keep using that strategy, and they will keep lying about what climate scientists actually say - but it will be just a bit more difficult for them to convince anyone who isn't driven by the same political ideology that drives the deniers.

20 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:11:06pm

re: #19 Talking Point Detective

The IPCC has consistently been conservative in its estimates; what we're facing is worse than their worst-case scenarios.

21 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:11:21pm

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

Eleanor Roosevelt comes closest, tellingly for her civil rights work.

That's funny actually, because I just read that she and Michelle are tied for first place among the tallest FLOTUS's.

22 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:13:46pm

re: #16 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hillary Rodham Clinton.

That's true, actually. Funny that I forgot just how vicious the attack on her were. But I suspect that will the hatred for Clinton may have run just as deep with some people, the hatred doesn't run as wide across a cross-section of the public. I wonder what the polls say about their popularity, respectively.

23 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:15:19pm

An interesting AMA ("Ask me anything") thread on Reddit with an NY police officer: Reddit, you hate me, so let's have a talk. IAMA NYPD Police Orffice,

Hello, reddit. I've been following the recent posts about Occupy around here. I would be more than happy to answer whatever questions I can about the NYPD, the current state of OWS in New York, and anything else you feel is necessary to ask.

I have been a PO for about 2 years now, so I am fairly new as most of the members of service would say. However, after being apart of the OWS detail for awhile, I feel that I can answer your questions in a decent manner.

The officer's answers are highlighted in blue in the comments.

24 bluecheese  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:16:26pm

re: #22 Talking Point Detective

That's true, actually. Funny that I forgot just how vicious the attack on her were.

heh. But then the same crowd just loves them some hillary when she's runnin against ol Barack.

Funny how that works.

25 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:17:06pm

re: #20 Obdicut

The IPCC has consistently been conservative in its estimates; what we're facing is worse than their worst-case scenarios.

That's true - but I think that part of the whole focus of this report is in reaction to the undermining impact of denialism. There has been a lot of talk about how the most effective communication technique would be to focus on uncertainty in a very deliberate and explicit manner, and I think that it's quite possible that the very issuance of an extreme weather event report is reflective of a tactical move in that direction.

26 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:17:13pm

re: #21 Talking Point Detective

That's funny actually, because I just read that she and Michelle are tied for first place among the tallest FLOTUS's.

FLOTI?

27 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:17:35pm

However, the Associated Press reports that the First Lady and Dr. Biden did receive a standing ovation at a pre-race driver’s meeting, much more in keeping with the spirit of the occasion.

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

28 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:17:55pm

Greeting Lizards from the Golden State...
I have a flat tire and my Battery in my Blackberry gave up the Ghost...
There is no place like home...

29 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:18:13pm

re: #26 ralphieboy

FLOTI?

I did consider using "FLOTI"

30 recusancy  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:18:26pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

An interesting AMA ("Ask me anything") thread on Reddit with an NY police officer: Reddit, you hate me, so let's have a talk. IAMA NYPD Police Orffice,

The officer's answers are highlighted in blue in the comments.

It's not the police's fault. They are a casualty of the system.

31 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:19:56pm

re: #28 HoosierHoops

Greeting Lizards from the Golden State...
I have a flat tire and my Battery in my Blackberry gave up the Ghost...
There is no place like home...

Driving home last night it sounded like my car threw a rod. Not sure exactly what throwing a rod sounds like, but my guess is that is sounds exactly like what I heard. Managed to limp home (1/2 block). So now the question is what to do with an 11 year-old Golf with 80,000 miles and no freakin' engine.

32 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:20:30pm

re: #22 Talking Point Detective
They may have hated her just as much, but they didn't have the internets.
Clinton hate was one of my concerns when she was running for POTUS. I think they were waiting for her.

33 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:20:34pm

re: #31 Talking Point Detective

Driving home last night it sounded like my car threw a rod. Not sure exactly what throwing a rod sounds like, but my guess is that is sounds exactly like what I heard. Managed to limp home (1/2 block). So now the question is what to do with an 11 year-old Golf with 80,000 miles and no freakin' engine.

Duct tape.

34 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:21:11pm

re: #18 prairiefire

I think of you when I don't let the water run while working at the sink. The town might have to move. How can it run without water?

We're still OK. We've about 650,000 acre feet (38%) left. Upriver is a different story. Midland/Odessa, San Angelo, Big Spring, &c are in deep shit. They are down to one reservoir and their total capacity is below 8%. If the drought continues for another year, which is likely given that La Nina is roaring back, they will, literally, run out of water by this time next year.

Our handsome Governor, Pointy Boots, may not believe in climate change, but it certainly believes in Texas.

35 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:21:32pm

re: #27 Stanley Sea

However, the Associated Press reports that the First Lady and Dr. Biden did receive a standing ovation at a pre-race driver’s meeting, much more in keeping with the spirit of the occasion.

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

Not surprising, it's not really her audience there.

36 funky chicken  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:23:03pm

Can they start putting the expenditures towards pollution controls now rather than these massive and frequent conferences? How many algae-biofuel plants could have been built for the money the IPCC has spent on these conferences over the past few years? How many solar panels bought?

It's like the UC Davis chancellor convening a panel to review the pepper-spraying incident....what the hell for? Start firing people, lady. Perhaps starting with yourself.

We're just trapped in this blue-ribbon panel world, where all anybody can do is talk, talk, talk. We seem to have infinite resources to fund congressional inquiries and special prosecutor inquiries and UN panels and research studies and inquiries but no money to actually just fix stuff.

Find the dirtiest power plants in the world and . just. fix . them. Whether they are in India, China, Iran (dirtiest air in the world in a report I read, which seemed odd), Bangladesh, or the US or UK.

And force power plants in Texas to use 70s era technology to remove sulfates/sulfites and nitrates/nitrates from their emissions.

Instead we get blah, blah, blah. That's why I don't think anybody is really serious about pollution.

37 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:23:03pm

re: #31 Talking Point Detective

that sucks dude...Time to go in debt for another ride...

38 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:25:57pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Not surprising, it's not really her audience there.

Ah, mistake for her to go.

39 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:26:54pm

re: #30 recusancy

It's not the police's fault. They are a casualty of the system.

"Befehl ist Befehl." *rolls eyes*

40 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:27:47pm

re: #37 HoosierHoops

that sucks dude...Time to go in debt for another ride...

Actually, I've been thinking that me and my girlfriend should just go with one car anyway (we live together). I think we can pull it off, logistically. Save on insurance. Maybe get a bit more exercise (bike to the gym instead of drive). What sucks, though, is taking the hit on the value of the car. My guess is that over the course of two second, it depreciated by about $2,000?

41 freetoken  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:28:29pm

re: #19 Talking Point Detective

One problem is that the IPCC reports' use of the "likely" type of terms really just confuses people. Mathematics scares lots of people, and probability can be counterintuitive.

Yes, this IPCC uses very cautious language, but that is usual in science, where results have a burden of always being tentative - always awaiting the next experiment for a new bit of insight.

Yet, the IPCC is one of the more conservative groups of authors that one finds. This comes from, I suppose, the extra-large nature of the task and the process established by the parent organizations, which have to answer to political bodies.

42 bluecheese  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:28:33pm

re: #31 Talking Point Detective

80k is really low miles for a problem like that...

maybe they can fix it for less than what it's worth....

43 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:28:36pm

re: #30 recusancy

It's not the police's fault. They are a casualty of the system.

I was just reading up on that. The pepper spray thing is an outrageous outrage.
Officers in pepper spray incident placed on leave

Charles J. Kelly, a former Baltimore Police Department lieutenant who wrote the department's use of force guidelines, said pepper spray is a "compliance tool" that can be used on subjects who do not resist, and is preferable to simply lifting protesters.

"When you start picking up human bodies, you risk hurting them," Kelly said. "Bodies don't have handles on them."

After reviewing the video, Kelly said he observed at least two cases of "active resistance" from protesters. In one instance, a woman pulls her arm back from an officer. In the second instance, a protester curls into a ball. Each of those actions could have warranted more force, including baton strikes and pressure-point techniques.

"What I'm looking at is fairly standard police procedure," Kelly said.

UCD peppered by 'Net outrage

Lynne Wilson, a Seattle attorney who has written on the subject, said some court decisions have faulted police for using pepper on nonviolent protesters.

"When protesters are just passively resisting, pepper spray is not usually an option," she said.

However, officer safety is a major issue.

"Surrounding police officers is probably not a good idea," she said.

In one video, an officer, with students milling in the background holding cameras, methodically sprays the faces of students seated passively on the ground.

There may be more to it than that, suggested John McGinness, a former Sacramento County sheriff.

When students were told to leave, they had that option, he said.

"When you see the ultimate use of force, it's not pretty," he said. But pepper spray causes less harm to protesters and officers than other methods, McGinness said.

I know it seems unfathomable to many people but my guess is the reason why it's standard procedure is to avoid prolonged scuffles and wrestling with officers. That's how the bloody guy in Zuccotti park got so messed up. It's safer for both the officers and protesters to have them subdued at the time of arrest. Especially in a crowd situation.

44 recusancy  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:28:53pm

re: #39 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"Befehl ist Befehl." *rolls eyes*

Godwin? Really?

45 funky chicken  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:29:21pm

re: #34 austin_blue

Our handsome Governor, Pointy Boots, may not believe in climate change, but it certainly believes in Texas.

Desertification's a bitch.

The world's great deserts were formed by natural processes interacting over long intervals of time. During most of these times, deserts have grown and shrunk independent of human activities. Paleodeserts are large sand seas now inactive because they are stabilized by vegetation, some extending beyond the present margins of core deserts, such as the Sahara, the largest desert.[6]
Desertification has played a significant role in human history, contributing to the collapse of several large empires, such as Carthage, Greece, and the Roman Empire, as well as causing displacement of local populations.[3][7]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

And overpopulation of drylands is really a bitch. Enter the Quiverfull folks...

46 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:29:55pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

That presupposes arresting them at that time, and escalating the level of force, was the right thing to do.

47 Amory Blaine  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:30:37pm

re: #3 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

There are times I honestly wonder how bad things have to get before the denial becomes impossible anymore. Does a Cat 5 have to crash into Washington D.C. before people begin to take this shit seriously?

We will see when insurance companies refuse to insure in certain areas.

48 recusancy  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:31:03pm

re: #46 Obdicut

That presupposes arresting them at that time, and escalating the level of force, was the right thing to do.

But it's like the worse thing in the world to be sitting on the sidewalk and lawn of a university campus. Of course they should be arrested!


//

49 Amory Blaine  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:32:15pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Thanks for the links. If I were to rely on my local MSM for info, I was led to believe it was no big deal and they were following protocol.

50 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:34:23pm

re: #40 Talking Point Detective

Actually, I've been thinking that me and my girlfriend should just go with one car anyway (we live together). I think we can pull it off, logistically. Save on insurance. Maybe get a bit more exercise (bike to the gym instead of drive). What sucks, though, is taking the hit on the value of the car. My guess is that over the course of two second, it depreciated by about $2,000?

That's a really bad idea...one car for 2 people never works out in the long run..( Read my book )...I could give you a hundred scenarios you haven't thought of.. Everything from Her being broke down and you can't pick her up on some Gawd forbidden Highway or she kicks you out at 3am and you need to call a cab..
*wink*
in all seriousness best of luck

51 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:35:05pm

re: #42 bluecheese

80k is really low miles for a problem like that...

maybe they can fix it for less than what it's worth...

Tell me about it. I've been trying to tell myself that it isn't a blown engine, but I haven't been able to convince myself of that. It was one sick sounding puppy when I drove into my driveway.

I got over 160,000 out of my other Golf -- on the original clutch!!! (I had two cars at the same time. This one I inherited from my mother when she died and I just sold the one with 160k. Bad move.)

52 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:36:16pm

re: #44 recusancy

Godwin? Really?

I have little patience for being told that the man obeying the orders is somehow blameless, somebody to be pitied for holding a kid down and forcing pepper spray down his throat. Trying to "justify" his actions by saying that he's just following policy is an insult to my intelligence.

53 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:37:28pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

I was just reading up on that. The pepper spray thing is an outrageous outrage.
Officers in pepper spray incident placed on leave

UCD peppered by 'Net outrage

I know it seems unfathomable to many people but my guess is the reason why it's standard procedure is to avoid prolonged scuffles and wrestling with officers. That's how the bloody guy in Zuccotti park got so messed up. It's safer for both the officers and protesters to have them subdued at the time of arrest. Especially in a crowd situation.

You're saying that what happened at UC Davis is "standard procedure?"

Seriously?

54 recusancy  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:40:14pm

re: #53 Talking Point Detective

You're saying that what happened at UC Davis is "standard procedure?"

Seriously?

And he's also saying it's good policy.

55 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:41:22pm

SOP

56 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:45:30pm

re: #53 Talking Point Detective

You're saying that what happened at UC Davis is "standard procedure?"

Seriously?

I'm not saying that. That's what police are telling the press when they're researching the story.

57 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:46:11pm

re: #54 recusancy

And he's also saying it's good policy.

I'm guessing at the rationalization for the policy.

58 recusancy  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:49:02pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

I'm guessing at the rationalization for the policy.

So you believe it's bad policy?

59 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:51:39pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

I'm not saying that. That's what police are telling the press when they're researching the story.

Look at this again:

I know it seems unfathomable to many people but my guess is the reason why it's standard procedure is to avoid prolonged scuffles and wrestling with officers

That is a matter-of-fact description of it being standard procedure.

But your clarification is noted. It is what some officials have described as standard procedure. It would be nice to see something more definitive. Personally, I think that anyone who thinks that was validly standard procedure is blowing smoke up people's asses.

60 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 2:08:14pm

re: #58 recusancy

So you believe it's bad policy?

From a safety standpoint it might be the best thing. From a public relations standpoint maybe not so much.

61 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 2:09:03pm

re: #59 Talking Point Detective

Look at this again:

That is a matter-of-fact description of it being standard procedure.

But your clarification is noted. It is what some officials have described as standard procedure. It would be nice to see something more definitive. Personally, I think that anyone who thinks that was validly standard procedure is blowing smoke up people's asses.

Based on the reporters who've have police officers look at the video. That's what they're reporting.

62 recusancy  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 2:09:53pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

From a safety standpoint it might be the best thing. From a public relations standpoint maybe not so much.

So it's good policy just bad PR? Got it.

63 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 2:15:08pm

re: #27 Stanley Sea

However, the Associated Press reports that the First Lady and Dr. Biden did receive a standing ovation at a pre-race driver’s meeting, much more in keeping with the spirit of the occasion.

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

Tons of Republicans at a NASCAR race. Tons.

64 lostlakehiker  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 2:31:38pm

To be perfectly accurate, none of the extreme weather events we're seeing are a consequence of global warming.

And all of them are.

You can't assign causation of any one weather event to any one cause.

What's happening is that the extra CO2 shifts the odds. We can expect to see a 500 year flood every half century or so. A 100 year drought, every couple of decades.

For the insurance industry, this represents a big challenge. All their old rate structures are wildly out of whack with their new risk environment. But can they convince regulators to permit much higher premiums?

If not, their only remaining rational response is to stop writing new policies and just try to protect their funds until the policies they already wrote expire.

For all those who wish to take out insurance against the kinds of hazards made more likely by AGW, the coming ballooning of insurance premiums, or the unavailability of insurance, will be a wake up call.

Even the industries insisting that the risk is not real will face the reality that their insurance companies don't agree and that premiums are through the roof, right now. Deal.

65 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 3:19:43pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

From a safety standpoint it might be the best thing. From a public relations standpoint maybe not so much.

The cops were definitely in danger.

66 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 3:49:52pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

From a safety standpoint it might be the best thing. From a public relations standpoint maybe not so much.

You're surrounded by a couple of hundred protestors. Some 12 or so are sitting there, peaceably allowing themselves to be arrested. Hundreds watching.

You decide to walk up and point blank spray the 10 protestors in the face, potentially enraging the surrounding crowd, rather than pick up the sitting protestor and put them in the van?

Smell that? Check behind you. Someone's blowing smoke up your ass.


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