Baby Aardvark Time
From the always wonderful ZooBorns, via Busch Gardens:
From the always wonderful ZooBorns, via Busch Gardens:
1 | Targetpractice Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:40:39pm |
Think this little thing falls into the category of "So ugly, it's cute."
3 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:45:20pm |
re: #1 Targetpractice
Think this little thing falls into the category of "So ugly, it's cute."
5 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:46:23pm |
Because there is no "Baby Aardvark Walk" song!
6 | jaunte Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:49:20pm |
I suppose if you could take all the plates off a large armadillo it would look like that.
7 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:49:44pm |
I don't find him or her cute. What's wrong with me? Doctor, will I live? :(
8 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:50:29pm |
re: #7 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
I don't find him or her cute. What's wrong with me? Doctor, will I live? :(
Negative.
/
9 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:51:06pm |
Not pretty, but a nice little guy. AArdvarks don't bother people at all, and they make themselves useful eating ants and termites.
10 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:52:05pm |
You all can't see cute when it's right in front of you!
:)
11 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:52:36pm |
12 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:52:57pm |
13 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:53:16pm |
14 | Gus Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:53:19pm |
re: #6 jaunte
I suppose if you could take all the plates off a large armadillo it would look like that.
Those are strange creatures. Part mammal and part dinosaur. Sometimes looking like bugs.
15 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:53:53pm |
re: #14 Gus
Those are strange creatures. Part mammal and part dinosaur. Sometimes looking like bugs.
Pokemon!
16 | Gus Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:55:33pm |
Graphic Warning: the following presentation may include charts and graphs.
18 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:57:35pm |
I should mention something with the case of Trayvon Martin:
Not only that, but I get news from the horse's mouth. I was originally born in Florida. I lived in Apopka from Age 0-3, and in Debary until I was 7. Debary is roughly across the river (St. Johns River) from Sanford. My Grandparents live in Deltona, which is directly across the river from Sanford (Specifically, the part of the river known as Lake Monroe). My Uncle and his kids are still in the area too. So I remember this area from being a little one. It use to be more nature-y and more tree-y than today. I don't think I could go back there. It's all very bland cookie-cutter stuff now.
Also, I learned from Mother Jones that Sanford has a massive history of racism.
19 | jaunte Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:58:45pm |
As an April Fool's prank, Fox News will switch to an all-truth format for the day.
— Andy Borowitz (@BorowitzReport) April 1, 2012
20 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:00:09pm |
re: #19 jaunte
Round of applause for that one.
21 | freetoken Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:00:31pm |
More face-palm moments from our creationist friends in Indiana:
Web letter by Christopher Geischen: Evolution denies God’s existence, mocks Christians as fools
As a member of the Concordia Lutheran High School science faculty, I wish to thank Rex Joyner for his kind words about the school’s effect on his life. That said, I must respond to some ideas he wrote in “Pastor mistaken on creationism,” which appeared March 18. Concordia’s science instruction holds to creation being true and evolution relegated only to doing small changes on living things within a very narrow range.
First, one cannot mix creationism with evolution. To do an apples-to-apples evaluation demands a creationism-to-evolution comparison or match creation alongside evolution. The former are ways of thinking and the latter are processes.
Point is, this is from a science teacher at the Lutheran H.S. ...
Second, the facts of nature are the same for both sides. The difference is the interpretation one puts on the facts. It is the worldview or philosophy of the interpreter which causes the facts to be seen as supporting creation or evolution being true. Creation interpretation will not hinder one doing any valuable-to-society science in the least. One of my former biology students, taught that creation is the better interpretation, is now an oncologist for a hospital. She stated that in her degree program evolution was not even mentioned at all. The truth is that evolution belief is only needed to become an evolutionary science teacher as it is useless to any other operational science field.
Wow, so this supposed former student of which he writes says that evolution "was not even mentioned at all" in her entire degree program? I find that hard to believe. And if she works in the oncology department of a hospital does she have a graduate degree?
Sadly, the evolution-based view says that God does not exist, the Bible is not the true word of God, and people do not rise from the dead as Jesus did that first Easter morning. Ultimately evolution says that there is no Judgment Day as the universe will end in either the big crunch or heat death, therefore a Christian’s faith is unnecessary and he is a fool for believing otherwise.
And there you have it, the whole point of being anti-evolution is that it is a direct threat to their religious beliefs. Now there are those self-declared Christians who maintain that evolution is compatible with Christianity (e.g., the Biologos crowd) but as my latest Page points out that position is a minority within the evangelical/conservative Christian community in America.
22 | Eclectic Infidel Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:01:37pm |
A very curious looking creature indeed.
24 | jaunte Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:05:59pm |
re: #21 freetoken
Being mocked as fools by nonbelievers shouldn't matter if they're secure in the possession of their truth.
25 | Gus Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:06:28pm |
re: #21 freetoken
More face-palm moments from our creationist friends in Indiana:
Web letter by Christopher Geischen: Evolution denies God’s existence, mocks Christians as fools
Point is, this is from a science teacher at the Lutheran H.S. ...
Wow, so this supposed former student of which he writes says that evolution "was not even mentioned at all" in her entire degree program? I find that hard to believe. And if she works in the oncology department of a hospital does she have a graduate degree?
And there you have it, the whole point of being anti-evolution is that it is a direct threat to their religious beliefs. Now there are those self-declared Christians who maintain that evolution is compatible with Christianity (e.g., the Biologos crowd) but as my latest Page points out that position is a minority within the evangelical/conservative Christian community in America.
The obvious. The study of evolution does not include anything about religion, Christianity, negating a belief in God, etc. I uh. Well, this is kind of like responding to some kind of neurosis.
26 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:08:54pm |
re: #24 jaunte
Being mocked as fools by nonbelievers shouldn't matter if they're secure in the possession of their truth.
Still isn't prudent or polite for the nonbelievers to do.
28 | jaunte Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:09:58pm |
AIG on the Tennessee Creationism Bill
You all know that the Tennessee Creationism Bill Passed in the Legislature and is awaiting the Governor’s signature.
Now let’s see what they think of it at Answers in Genesis (AIG), one of the major sources of young-earth creationist wisdom. AIG is the online creationist ministry of Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo), the Australian entrepreneur who has become the ayatollah of Appalachia.
29 | jaunte Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:10:39pm |
re: #26 Dark_Falcon
He may be imagining the mockery, or reading too much PZ Myers.
30 | b_Snark Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:12:39pm |
re: #21 freetoken
More face-palm moments from our creationist friends in Indiana:
Web letter by Christopher Geischen: Evolution denies God’s existence, mocks Christians as fools
Point is, this is from a science teacher at the Lutheran H.S. ...
Wow, so this supposed former student of which he writes says that evolution "was not even mentioned at all" in her entire degree program? I find that hard to believe. And if she works in the oncology department of a hospital does she have a graduate degree?
And there you have it, the whole point of being anti-evolution is that it is a direct threat to their religious beliefs. Now there are those self-declared Christians who maintain that evolution is compatible with Christianity (e.g., the Biologos crowd) but as my latest Page points out that position is a minority within the evangelical/conservative Christian community in America.
While MDs can be scientists most aren't so the study of evolution is not necessarily studied. In day to day treatment of cancer, evolution is irrelevant. However, in cancer research, as in bacteria/virus/retrovirus research, the study of evolution is a must because in order to develop treatments the processes within the cell/DNA/RNA have to be understood.
32 | Interesting Times Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:13:50pm |
33 | b_Snark Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:17:15pm |
re: #26 Dark_Falcon
Still isn't prudent or polite for the nonbelievers to do.
Mocking the believers isn't called for unless the believers are in position of authority (Fahlwell, Buchanan, Iranian Imams), but the inconsistencies and the foolish aspects of the belief itself are open to ridicule.
34 | jaunte Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:18:29pm |
re: #33 Bee#
It tends to happen when the believers are trying to achieve some additional temporal power over the nonbelievers.
35 | Gus Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:19:24pm |
re: #33 Bee#
Mocking the believers isn't called for unless the believers are in position of authority (Fahlwell, Buchanan, Iranian Imams), but the inconsistencies and the foolish aspects of the belief itself are open to ridicule.
"See. That's why I chose atheism Bob. It's real easy."
//
36 | jaunte Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:22:28pm |
re: #35 Gus
"See. That's why I chose atheism Bob. It's real easy."
//
NPR did a story a few days ago on the rise of Evangelical churches in Mexico; one of the points the people interviewed made about why they switched was that being Catholic was relatively so much more expensive.
37 | b_Snark Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:23:04pm |
re: #35 Gus
"See. That's why I chose atheism Bob. It's real easy."
//
As someone who has been terrified of death for most of my life, the easiest and the most comforting thing for me would be to become a believer.
38 | jaunte Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:23:32pm |
Screech #Palin to host #GMA. I guess you could call this an April Fool's joke.
— Barracks O'Bama (@P0TUS) April 1, 2012
39 | Kronocide Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:24:24pm |
re: #26 Dark_Falcon
Still isn't prudent or polite for the nonbelievers to do.
Likewise, it's not prudent to cast judgement or 'save' atheists.
40 | Gus Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:26:49pm |
re: #37 Bee#
As someone who has been terrified of death for most of my life, the easiest and the most comforting thing for me would be to become a believer.
I know. When it all goes off for eternity. I just hope I'm not seeing it fade away when the time comes. It's a terrifying final task to be cogent of.
41 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:29:10pm |
Good News: If things were going to go horrifically, I think the window has passed. She hasn't deleted me on FB.
Bad News: Someone I was talking to elsewise had their profile disappear for a minute. Then came back. I think FB is about to have a Total Eclipse of Derp.
42 | Gus Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:30:51pm |
re: #26 Dark_Falcon
Still isn't prudent or polite for the nonbelievers to do.
Earlier I was thinking that I never took it upon myself to talk someone into non-belief. Then I thought that as well that no one has really done the same for God. We must always assume that people will be polite regardless. The internet of course is an altogether different story on all counts. And always remember that dominant groups maintain dominant discord -- and accord.
43 | jaunte Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:33:29pm |
re: #42 Gus
“It's not about your job. It's about some phony ideal, some phony theology,” Santorum said. "Oh, not a theology based on the Bible, a different theology. But no less a theology.”
45 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:35:12pm |
re: #44 Gus
Looking at Twitter, apparently Toonami came back on Cartoon Network. Hopefully it isn't a April Fools Joke. I would it to be back. It would have to have my nostalgia bombs of Rurouni Kenshin and Yu Yu Hakusho in the Lineup though.
46 | Gus Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:35:56pm |
re: #43 jaunte
“It's not about your job. It's about some phony ideal, some phony theology,” Santorum said. "Oh, not a theology based on the Bible, a different theology. But no less a theology.”
Well to Santorum I would say no. There are plenty of Christian, scientists. People that believe in God and also study Darwin and evolution. I know too much about deism; even as an atheist can formulate a reasoning for believing in both.
47 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:36:57pm |
48 | Targetpractice Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:39:06pm |
re: #47 Floral Giraffe
We should have a contest for the biggest fool!
*sigh* But Kragar wins every year!!!
///
49 | Gus Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:39:31pm |
re: #47 Floral Giraffe
We should have a contest for the biggest fool!
I better behave myself then. //
50 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:40:49pm |
re: #48 Targetpractice
*sigh* But Kragar wins every year!!!
///
Not this year. This year Buck can claim the prize.
51 | Targetpractice Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:41:23pm |
re: #45 ProGunLiberal
Looking at Twitter, apparently Toonami came back on Cartoon Network. Hopefully it isn't a April Fools Joke. I would it to be back. It would have to have my nostalgia bombs of Rurouni Kenshin and Yu Yu Hakusho in the Lineup though.
Unfortunately, according to Wiki, it looks to be a one-time thing for April Fool's Day.
52 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:44:54pm |
53 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:44:59pm |
re: #51 Targetpractice
Those cock-suckers at Cartoon Network.
56 | Targetpractice Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:45:43pm |
re: #53 ProGunLiberal
Those cock-suckers at Cartoon Network.
Yeah, I know, the network I remember as a kid is gone. But, then again, I'm still old enough to remember when MTV showed music videos.
57 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:48:38pm |
re: #56 Targetpractice
I never watched MTV has a kid. So I have no idea what that was like.
58 | Gus Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:49:45pm |
re: #57 ProGunLiberal
I never watched MTV has a kid. So I have no idea what that was like.
59 | jaunte Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:50:00pm |
re: #56 Targetpractice
A Flock of Seagulls... Dexy's Midnight Runners... Magic times.
61 | Targetpractice Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:50:54pm |
re: #57 ProGunLiberal
I never watched MTV has a kid. So I have no idea what that was like.
It was good, for a time. Then the network execs apparently decided that the non-video segments were more popular than the videos, as well as jumping on the early days of the "reality TV" bandwagon. Ugh.
63 | jaunte Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:57:17pm |
re: #62 Gus
"Ready to reveal a side you haven't seen before!"
How many sides can a one-dimensional person have?
64 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:57:18pm |
re: #61 Targetpractice
It was good, for a time. Then the network execs apparently decided that the non-video segments were more popular than the videos, as well as jumping on the early days of the "reality TV" bandwagon. Ugh.
Remote Control, as good as it was, marked the beginning of the end (what happened to Marisol Massey anyway?) By the time I was an undergrad and the first Real World started airing you could see the trajectory clearly.
65 | Gus Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:58:17pm |
re: #63 jaunte
"Ready to reveal a side you haven't seen before!"
How many sides can a one-dimensional person have?
Tammany would have loved Sarah.
66 | boredtechindenver Sat, Mar 31, 2012 9:59:12pm |
re: #53 ProGunLiberal
Those cock-suckers at Cartoon Network.
I was more pissed at Cartoon Network/Adult swim for the prank of playing "The Room", two years in a row.
67 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:01:00pm |
re: #61 Targetpractice
I hate reality TV. I heard someone say that the Hunger Games plotline is basically showing the extreme end of Reality TV gone rampant, or something like that.
Any way, on the Trayvon Martin case, had anyone seen this before:
At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” the resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch captain role.
She and her friend say they heard the sounds from a few steps away, where they were inside beside an open window.
Seconds later, they dashed out to find a boy face down on the ground and a man standing over him, a foot on each side of the body on the ground, with his hands pinning the shooting victim down.
“I asked him, ‘What’s happening here? What’s going on?’" said Cutcher’s friend, Selma Mora Lamilla. “The third time, I was indignant, and he said, ‘just call the police.’ Then I saw him with his hands over his head in the universal sign of: ‘Oh man, I messed up.’"
The women, who were the first on the scene, said they saw Zimmerman pacing back and forth.
68 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:01:40pm |
re: #66 boredtechindenver
I saw a Nostalgia Critic review of that. It was so damn painful to watch. The clips of the movie that is.
69 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:05:25pm |
re: #68 ProGunLiberal
The only other time I had to take a break during a watching of a review from that site was during Nostalgia Chick's review of Milo and Otis. And that was for completely different reasons.
Mostly the horror of what was done to film it. I had to walk out of the room and walk around 3-4 times during that less than 15 minute video. I also felt said the rest of the day.
[Link: blip.tv...]
70 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:17:59pm |
re: #64 goddamnedfrank
By the time I was an undergrad and the first Real World started airing you could see the trajectory clearly.
I believe that was the first "Reality Show" to air.
I watched a few episodes before deciding it was total crap. That was the beginning and the end of my interest in "Reality" tv.
71 | Targetpractice Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:19:22pm |
re: #70 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
I believe that was the first "Reality Show" to air.
I watched a few episodes before deciding it was total crap. That was the beginning and the end of my interest in "Reality" tv.
"Reality TV" is such a crock. If you honestly believe that those shows don't work off a script, then I got some beachfront property in Arizona I'm selling cheap.
73 | palomino Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:20:52pm |
It looks like a giant shaved scrotum with eyes, ears and claws. Run for your lives!
Actually a killer aardvark might make a good movie monster.
74 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:25:08pm |
re: #71 Targetpractice
I did try to give the "Reality" (pffft!) genre another chance with the very first episode of "Survivor". My interest lasted less than fifteen minutes.
75 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:34:16pm |
In 2007 after a Stand Your Ground law was enacted in Texas a man called 911 to report two men breaking into and burglarizing his neighbor's home. Here is the 911 call, listen as he directly contradicts and argues with the operator who tells him that property isn't worth killing or dying over. The man says that "the laws have been changed in this country," insists on going out to confront the burglars with his shotgun and then kills them. Skip to 5 minutes and 10 seconds:
P.S. Charles, FYI Youtube seems to have changed their start code to &t=XmYs, the old &Start= code format isn't working for this video here and neither is the new code provided by Youtube.
76 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:37:26pm |
So I've been playing the fan-made Wing Commander game that dropped last week, and had an unnecessarily frustrating time with the final mission in the prologue portion.
True to old-school WC form, many of the missions are multi-stage missions which force you to start over from the beginning of the mission if you fail at any stage, rather than picking up from the last completed stage.
Anyway, the final mission in the prologue has many stages, some challenging, and here is my list of epic fail before finally finishing it. Like anyone cares.
1. Failed to prevent torpedoes from reaching the carrier I was escorting. Four times.
2. Death by an epically lucky ("good" for the bogies, "bad" for me) spam of enemy missiles all reaching me simultaneously. One time.
3. Death by flying too close to an enemy cruiser just as it was blown up by allies. Two times.
4. Death by Mother Nature. Two times. It's been raining in my area today, and twice as I was nearing the end of the mission, the power went out.
77 | Targetpractice Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:45:50pm |
Speaking of gaming, and getting back to a topic from this morning, seems Bioware got the hint:
BioWare to finally change the Mass Effect 3 ending in April
I'd heard that fans actually started up a charity to show their seriousness for wanting a change to the ending, donating the money to Child's Play Charity. Last count was something over $80K had been donated before they shut it down.
78 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:46:56pm |
re: #75 goddamnedfrank
If you're watching a YouTube video, pause at the time you want to start at, then right click on the little circle on the video timer at the bottom of the vid. You will get an option to "Copy URL at current time".
It only works here when done as a link like this, but not when simply pasted into a comment like this...
79 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:48:58pm |
re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
It used to work here no problem, now it's not for some reason.
80 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Mar 31, 2012 10:56:10pm |
re: #75 goddamnedfrank
A Harris County grand jury on Monday ended the rancorous seven-month debate over Pasadena resident Joe Horn's decision to gun down two illegal immigrant burglars in his front yard, concluding the act was a justifiable use of deadly force and not murder.
The grand jury heard two weeks of testimony from witnesses, including Horn. They likely also heard his breathless 911 call, during which the increasingly frustrated retiree ignored a dispatcher's pleas to stay inside and out of harm's way. The Nov. 14 call ended with the sound of Horn racking a shell into his 12-gauge shotgun's chamber followed by three gunshots that killed Colombians Diego Ortiz, 30, and Hernando Riascos Torres, 38.
Each man was shot in the back. They had taken about $2,000 in the burglary.
81 | Four More Beers Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:00:58pm |
Well, this is pretty cute, considering it was not a 200# doe that ran in front of me last night while I was going 55 mph (speed limit) after shooting a baseball game, and destroyed my Tacoma. Kid A is fine; the doe, not so much. Scary as hell, trust me.
82 | freetoken Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:06:52pm |
re: #80 goddamnedfrank
We're back to the gunslinging days.
83 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:09:07pm |
re: #82 freetoken
I'm really paranoid what happens when (I honestly think that, given conditions, Obama will win the election) Obama wins in November. I think, at least for the time being, other Liberals need to give up on Gun Control.
84 | freetoken Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:12:14pm |
Working on the genealogy stuff... given a name, a supposed area of residence, and supposed area of origin, of a supposed grandparent.
Amazing what one can find online, but even more what one can't find. Extremely variable from state to state, from community to community.
Very disappointed in Orange County - seems to want lots of money for little info. And there are holes in the historical society/communities - I'm not sure they really care about recording the past. Same with Los Angeles County, save that the older localities in that area do have historical societies who care.
As for Oklahoma - one would think I was looking into Indian Territory or something. Oh... I am. Anyway, the early years of that state are a wasteland as far as records are concerned. Which is fitting, given that it was also a physical wasteland in that dust-bowl era.
85 | Targetpractice Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:13:23pm |
re: #83 ProGunLiberal
I'm really paranoid what happens when (I honestly think that, given conditions, Obama will win the election) Obama wins in November. I think, at least for the time being, other Liberals need to give up on Gun Control.
If I thought the NRA would stop banging their drum, I might agree. But they're out there, telling all their membership and anybody who will listen that Obama's waiting til he's reelected to come for everybody's guns. So why keep quiet about something they're gonna scream regardless?
86 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:13:24pm |
re: #77 Targetpractice
Dear BioWhere fansboys,
I watched every single fucking episode of LOST, including that shit pile of an ending. So suck it up Nancy, and move on.
On this...
So that's that then, we'll probably be getting some sort of complete ending, probably as a DLC, and bets are on that it's gonna be paid. Already there's conspiracy theories brewing across the internets that Bioware and EA have been slicing off actual content from the game to sell off as DLCs, which is plausible.
Since the dawn of video gaming, developers have had to cut content in order to meet their publisher's deadlines and budget restraints. Sometimes because said content was not fully finished, sometimes because the bugs weren't fully squashed.
Since the advent of paid DLC, publishers and developers have found a way to profit on the tidbits left on the cutting room floor that did not first meet the deadline or the budget.
To me, it's seems an awful lot like paying for a software patch, which is why I do not nor ever have participated in the paid DLC scam.
Of course, I exempt paid DLC expansion packs that add tons of more content and many more hours of gameplay. Although I don't pay for those separately either. I just wait for GOTY editions with all that shit bundled.
87 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:15:52pm |
re: #81 Lord of Republicandoucheistan
Friend of mine had that happen. Deer ruined his front end and he nearly went off a cliff.
88 | freetoken Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:15:59pm |
re: #83 ProGunLiberal
I am very disappointed with President Obama. Not that I expected much - I didn't vote for him. Yet I hope (in vain, it appears) that he would be more aggressive in using the bully pulpit to talk about our fetishes for guns and violence.
President Obama is not delivering the goods; blame the Republicans if you want - and they certainly deserve criticism and even condemnation - but it is the President's job to rally the country.
It's not written in the Constitution, but it has been in practice since Lincoln one of the most important roles for the office of the President - shaping the national dialogue of what the nation ought to be and ought to do.
89 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:16:43pm |
re: #82 freetoken
We're back to the gunslinging days.
Shot.them.in.the.back!
Yeah, they came into his front yard, walking backwards. That happens.
I'm just like ... fucking Wow! And wondering how this is the first time I've heard of it.
The Grand Jury just flat out let this guy off on a double murder. I'm sure the fact that the two dead men were illegal aliens didn't unduly sway the deliberations at all.
90 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:17:02pm |
re: #85 Targetpractice
At this point, I would just start buying guns too. Fortunately, If all goes to plan, I will be in the fairly Liberal North Denver-Fort Collins area by Election Time.
I honestly think there could be violence if Obama wins, with the way the Conservative movement seems to be losing grip of sanity.
91 | freetoken Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:18:33pm |
re: #89 goddamnedfrank
When the shooting happened I recall it got a bit of attention here - but something like this gets taken off the top of the topic list by the next atrocity, which are many.
92 | Targetpractice Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:19:14pm |
re: #86 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Dear BioWhere fansboys,
I watched every single fucking episode of LOST, including that shit pile of an ending. So suck it up Nancy, and move on.
If LOST were interactive, with every choice you'd made for 100+ hours being sold as relevant to the ending, I'd sympathize. But it wasn't, it was a scripted brain fart that ran longer than it should that most fans had figured out the ending in the first season.
On this...
Since the dawn of video gaming, developers have had to cut content in order to meet their publisher's deadlines and budget restraints. Sometimes because said content was not fully finished, sometimes because the bugs weren't fully squashed.
Since the advent of paid DLC, publishers and developers have found a way to profit on the tidbits left on the cutting room floor that did not first meet the deadline or the budget.
To me, it's seems an awful lot like paying for a software patch, which is why I do not nor ever have participated in the paid DLC scam.
Of course, I exempt paid DLC expansion packs that add tons of more content and many more hours of gameplay. Although I don't pay for those separately either. I just wait for GOTY editions with all that shit bundled.
Bioware doesn't release GOTY editions, at least not ones with the DLCs as part of the deal. You want the DLCs for their games, prepare to be bled dry.
93 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:21:58pm |
re: #92 Targetpractice
Bioware doesn't release GOTY editions, at least not ones with the DLCs as part of the deal. You want the DLCs for their games, prepare to be bled dry.
Which is why I don't buy BioWhore games. Well, one of the reasons I don't, anyway.
94 | Targetpractice Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:23:31pm |
re: #93 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Which is why I don't buy BioWhore games. Well, one of the reasons I don't, anyway.
To be fair, I'm not sure the decision not to sell GOTY versions with the DLCs included is solely Bioware's, considering who owns their asses these days.
95 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:23:49pm |
re: #86 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Final Fantasy VII is the epitome of this.
It's a fantastic game, but it's has glitches all over the place, and a good many things were cut.
There is even stuff you can find through the Debug Room suggesting that, until very, very late in Development, that Aerith was supposed die at Northern Crater, not the City of the Ancients. It has even been fully translated.
Also, there is stuff in the game that goes unexplained. In contrast, only one thing in Final Fantasy VIII wan't fully explained. What exactly was at the bottom the Deep Sea Research Facility. Most everything else was fleshed out, but that was left hanging.
96 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:26:15pm |
re: #94 Targetpractice
To be fair, I'm not sure the decision not to sell GOTY versions with the DLCs included is solely Bioware's, considering who owns their asses these days.
Oh, I'm sure you're right. In the gaming industry, publishers rule.
But, as I believe I've mentioned before, I've been an anti-fan of BioWhat since the late 90's.
98 | Targetpractice Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:27:30pm |
re: #96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Oh, I'm sure you're right. In the gaming industry, publishers rule.
But, as I believe I've mentioned before, I've been an anti-fan of BioWhat since the late 90's.
Back when they were still owned by Interplay?
99 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:28:11pm |
re: #95 ProGunLiberal
Everyone have their rotten tomatoes and heads of lettuce ready?
I don't like JRPGs. In fact, I nearly despise them.
:ducks:
100 | engineer cat Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:29:08pm |
re: #90 ProGunLiberal
At this point, I would just start buying guns too. Fortunately, If all goes to plan, I will be in the fairly Liberal North Denver-Fort Collins area by Election Time.
I honestly think there could be violence if Obama wins, with the way the Conservative movement seems to be losing grip of sanity.
i would have thought so a few years ago but these days i think i sense that wingnuttia is resigned to defeat
mittens is to be the last sacrificial rino before the party splits fatally in two
101 | Targetpractice Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:29:36pm |
re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Everyone have their rotten tomatoes and heads of lettuce ready?
I don't like JRPGs. In fact, I nearly despise them.
:ducks:
Yahtzee, is that you?
//
102 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:29:43pm |
re: #98 Targetpractice
Yes. BioWhen was the dirty slut that IPLY cheated on Black Isle with, which eventually led to IPLY killing BI.
/glittering gem
103 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:30:39pm |
re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
:Chucks Brick instead:
I like playing through a story. Fallout's great and all, but sometimes I just want to follow a story.
Still, taking a closer look at what I mentioned before, it seems that the Northern Crater was, up until very late supposed to be where Aerith died. And you would have gotten there at the end of Disc 1, not the middle of Disc 2.
Trying to figure out the original scenario is a bit difficult.
104 | Targetpractice Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:31:16pm |
re: #102 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Yes. BioWhen was the dirty slut that IPLY cheated on Black Isle with, which eventually led to IPLY killing BI.
/glittering gem
Ah, I see where you're coming from.
105 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:31:23pm |
re: #101 Targetpractice
Interested in seeing the site? It's a bit hold, but everything still holds up.
106 | Targetpractice Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:31:56pm |
re: #105 ProGunLiberal
Interested in seeing the site? It's a bit hold, but everything still holds up.
Sure.
107 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:32:12pm |
re: #101 Targetpractice
Yahtzee, is that you?
//
That dude is hilarious, but he's got a hard on for the used game trade.
My opinion is, if he wants me to buy games brand new, he can fucking pay for 'em. Until then, I'll buy what ever the fuck I can afford.
108 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:33:52pm |
re: #103 ProGunLiberal
I like playing through a story. Fallout's great and all, but sometimes I just want to follow a story.
You better be talking about shit from Fallout:Tactics and after, or I'll show you exactly what a "glittering gem of hatred" is!
///
109 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:36:13pm |
re: #106 Targetpractice
It's in three parts, plus a conclusion, and note about a goof in visuals.
Sephiroth's Magical Gloves. Interest in question in Error #2
Also, another interesting point. If you hacked in Aerith into your party after her death, and she is present at the point the cutscene at Northern Crater starts, the game will hang and crash.
110 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:39:01pm |
re: #109 ProGunLiberal
Also, not only that, looking at other errors in the game, apparently, Aerith's position during the kill scene shifts alot, seen as Error #7.
Indicating it was a last minute slap-on.
111 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:41:58pm |
112 | Targetpractice Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:42:59pm |
re: #109 ProGunLiberal
It's in three parts, plus a conclusion, and note about a goof in visuals.
Sephiroth's Magical Gloves. Interest in question in Error #2
Also, another interesting point. If you hacked in Aerith into your party after her death, and she is present at the point the cutscene at Northern Crater starts, the game will hang and crash.
Yeah, that's something you see in games a lot, characters who were scripted for earlier/later scenarios who disappear before those scenarios happen. Mass Effect 2 had two examples, one a character who had dialogue scripted before they decided to make his appearance a late-game affair. Another just cut out altogether until the DLC for her was eventually released. Thing was, they'd even gone ahead and recorded dialogue for her, and there was a placeholder model in the game for her.
Fallout 3 had an entire quest excised before it was released, along with various weapons and items that were put in the game's code but not implemented.
113 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:43:32pm |
re: #111 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
No, but it looks familiar. I think I once watched a friend play a game like that on his computer.
114 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:47:11pm |
re: #112 Targetpractice
I think saw about a few of those of the FalloutWiki. I remember the Cryolater.
Of course, sometimes management will cut things from the game because they batshit insane and have no business there. For example, originally, Wild Wasteland perk in Fallout: New Vegas was supposed to have one more encounter:
Gojira. No I'm not kinding. 8000 HP, and a flame attack that did way over 1000hp per second.
115 | Targetpractice Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:48:36pm |
re: #114 ProGunLiberal
I think saw about a few of those of the FalloutWiki. I remember the Cryolater.
Of course, sometimes management will cut things from the game because they batshit insane and have no business there. For example, originally, Wild Wasteland perk in Fallout: New Vegas was supposed to have one more encounter:
Gojira. No I'm not kinding. 8000 HP, and a flame attack that did way over 1000hp per second.
Yeah, I know. But apparently there was a quest between "The American Dream" and "Take It Back!" in FO3, that required you to hunt down a power source for Liberty Prime. It was supposed to at least partly take place in Rivet City, but what it involved and how it was supposed to go have been lost to the ages.
116 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:51:00pm |
re: #113 ProGunLiberal
No
You lose three Internets, and are hereby banned from discussing or referencing the "story" of any CRPG for a period of no less than one year and thirteen days. Further, you will be progressively fined any time you discuss or reference JRPGS for the above mentioned time period.
/
117 | ProGunLiberal Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:52:02pm |
re: #115 Targetpractice
I still wonder how anybody thought that the Gojira thing was a good idea. Even the best, most heavily built character would find it near impossible to defeat.
Unless you were given Nukes. But there were only 10-15 nukes in the Non-DLC vanilla version.
118 | Targetpractice Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:57:16pm |
re: #117 ProGunLiberal
I still wonder how anybody thought that the Gojira thing was a good idea. Even the best, most heavily built character would find it near impossible to defeat.
Unless you were given Nukes. But there were only 10-15 nukes in the Non-DLC vanilla version.
I never really got into the use of the Fatman. After one too many times getting blown to bits because I'd misjudged the distance/angle of my shot, I tossed it in the locker and forgot about it.
119 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:04:40am |
re: #118 Targetpractice
In Fallout 3, on the recent playthough, I only used it 4-6 times.
3 of those where me vs. Behemoth. In fact in, the Capital Building, I used against Talon Company to prevent Charon from being nuked by their Fat Man, then turned it on a Behemoth.
The other time, I just had it in inventory, and a Super Mutant Overlord was on a Pain-in-the-Ass ledge. I stopped his behavior very quickly. I might have used it a few other times, but the Fat Man is generally my "Santorum Hits the Fan" weapon when stuff gets truly over the top.
120 | freetoken Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:05:31am |
In doing this genealogy stuff I'm impressed with the idea of how contingent our existence is... and why time travel would be so dangerous.
My ancestors all made decisions that in the very slightest of changes would have totally changed the course of their lives, and thus leading to me not being.
Even the most slightest, incidental, apparently unimportant changes can lead to the non-existence of what otherwise would happen - if one were able to travel back in time.
Many stories explore this idea. Yet working on one's own ancestors' stories makes it all seem so... real.
121 | Targetpractice Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:06:55am |
re: #119 ProGunLiberal
In Fallout 3, on the recent playthough, I only used it 4-6 times.
3 of those where me vs. Behemoth. In fact in, the Capital Building, I used against Talon Company to prevent Charon from being nuked by their Fat Man, then turned it on a Behemoth.
The other time, I just had it in inventory, and a Super Mutant Overlord was on a Pain-in-the-Ass ledge. I stopped his behavior very quickly. I might have used it a few other times, but the Fat Man is generally my "Santorum Hits the Fan" weapon when stuff gets truly over the top.
Yeah, I only ever used it against Behemoths. Everything else, I either used a sniper rifle or several grenades. Hell, didn't even really use grenades except for bartering and for sneak kills.
122 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:07:05am |
re: #118 Targetpractice
I never really got into the use of the Fatman.
A travesty of a concept, that nuclear wrist rocket.
123 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:07:33am |
Yu Yu Hakusho appeared on Toonami tonight. If Rurouni Kenshin appears, my Nostalgia Bomb becomes a Nostalgia Nuke.
124 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:08:36am |
125 | Targetpractice Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:09:25am |
re: #124 ProGunLiberal
And the US actually had this an idea.
Yeah, those they were at least smart enough to use a recoilless rifle, rather than a catapult. But they also had to deal with that little thing called radiation.
126 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:09:33am |
re: #123 ProGunLiberal
Apparently, Rurouni Kenshin did appear. :D
127 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:10:16am |
re: #121 Targetpractice
Yeah, I only ever used it against Behemoths.
I will punch you in the soul until you pee from your armpits!
/
128 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:10:42am |
re: #125 Targetpractice
Also, that entire concept is insane. Again, who thought this was a viable plan?
129 | Targetpractice Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:11:58am |
re: #128 ProGunLiberal
Also, that entire concept is insane. Again, who thought this was a viable plan?
The same guys who built nuclear artillery shells for both land and naval use, nuclear air-to-air missiles, and nuclear depth charges. The military suffered a serious nuclear fetish before they stopped and realized that the radiation wasn't short-lived or harmless.
130 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:13:48am |
re: #128 ProGunLiberal
Also, that entire concept is insane. Again, who thought this was a viable plan?
Apparently the Bethesda developers worked for the Pentagon back in the 50's.
131 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:14:31am |
re: #129 Targetpractice
Doing some research, apparently three nations still use Nuclear Artillery:
Pakistan, India, and China.
I see nothing that could go wrong here.
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132 | freetoken Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:15:14am |
If one really wanted to screw around with Western civilization one could travel back in time and make sure Carthage won its wars with Rome.
Carthage would have remained in control of the Mediterranean sea, and the inhabitants of central Italy would never have become rich enough to unify most of Europe south of the norther forests.
There also likely would not have been a Roman Christian church and all that it wrought, but rather a Carthage dominated religious system. Israel would not have fallen under the rule of a Roman empire but a Carthaginian one, remotely at best and perhaps the Ptolemies/Herods/Seleucids descendants would have fought it out for control of the areas of the eastern part of the Mediterranean lands.
The empires of Europe would not have been as they were, and thus "we" wouldn't be here in North America.
A complex alternate history, but one which would see today as being much different.
133 | Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:17:15am |
re: #132 freetoken
I think Ancestry dot com was what my sister sucessfully used...
134 | Targetpractice Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:19:27am |
re: #132 freetoken
One of my favorite science fiction subgenres is alternative history. It's amazing sometimes to think that some of the greatest changes in history owe themselves to simple decisions, happenstances, or quarks of fate.
135 | freetoken Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:24:37am |
re: #133 Floral Giraffe
I think Ancestry dot com was what my sister sucessfully used...
To time travel back to Carthage?
Oh, you mean my genealogy - yes, we started with Ancestry.com (via the free trial) which recovered a handful of records. From there though I've had to go by online death certificates or grave records. The most important bits of data would come from the end of the line (the death of the unknown grandfather) in Orange county, but there are no online records but I will have to go up to Orange county to look at the death certificate(s) of possible leads. It is quite possible that the grandfather left no other descendants (the data indicates another daughter, but she disappears, thanks I suspect to our patriarchal system of women losing their last names at marriage.)
So stepping one generation back and looking at my great-uncle or great-aunt possibilities, for possible 3rd or 4th cousins, and now we get back to MO which fortunately kept better records and I've found some leads to a possible great-grandfather and family.
The only way to close the loop though will be by genetic testing, as my mother's birth cert. doesn't list the father's name.
136 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:28:13am |
re: #134 Targetpractice
One of my favorite science fiction subgenres is alternative history. It's amazing sometimes to think that some of the greatest changes in history owe themselves to
simple decisionswar,happenstanceswar, orquarks of fatewar.
:P
137 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:30:02am |
re: #132 freetoken
Ever considered writing that kind of fiction? I think you'd be good at it.
/The Behemoth says, having no idea what Freetoken's actual occupation is.
138 | abolitionist Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:30:34am |
re: #134 Targetpractice
One of my favorite science fiction subgenres is alternative history. It's amazing sometimes to think that some of the greatest changes in history owe themselves to simple decisions, happenstances, or quarks of fate.
That's one of the things I enjoy about Fringe.
139 | Targetpractice Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:31:06am |
re: #136 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
:P
Hell, even in war, it was small things that turned the tide. Just a change in the weather could help or doom military campaigns.
140 | freetoken Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:37:39am |
re: #134 Targetpractice
Simple changes to the timeline any time-traveler could do with minimal effort:
(1) travel back to 1831 to Coles county Illinois and offer the young Abe Lincoln, so wanting to leave his family and travel the world, a free (ship) ticket to somewhere in the world (say, Europe.) Abe, wanting to leave (as he did) would have gone, and America would be different.
(2) Travel back to 9th century China, when they were already experimenting with gun powder and various weaponry, and show them how to make a rifle. They had made various crude weaponry with gun powder, but never perfected the projectile weapon. I suspect they were just missing the metal working instructions for making a barrel for the rifle.
(3) Show up in 3rd century BC Greece with a telescope, a microscope, and some eyeglasses. They would have figured out the rest. You might have instructed them to use lime to make better glass - that would have been quickest.
Simple stuff - you just need to make a time machine.
(3)
141 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:37:55am |
re: #139 Targetpractice
Hell, even in war, it was small things that turned the tide. Just a change in the weather could help or doom military campaigns.
And an otherwise trivial gesture, common and complementary in your culture, but seen as deliberately offensive in an alien one, could be the spark that starts said war.
142 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:38:55am |
To the audience. I found something on Wikiepedia and Blood Alcohol Content:
In 1995, a man in Wrocław, Poland, had a car accident. At the hospital, his BAC was determined to be 1.48%. Concerned that their equipment was malfunctioning, doctors also performed five separate lab tests, all of which confirmed the man's blood alcohol content. He died a few days later from wounds from the car accident. Police were baffled as to how an individual could attain such a high blood alcohol. Later, police discussions with his brother in-law revealed that he had "beer bonged" pure grain alcohol allegedly stolen from his place of work, a chemical plant.
In December 2004, a man was admitted to the hospital in Plovdiv, Bulgaria, after being struck by a car. After detecting a strong alcohol odor, doctors at a hospital conducted a breath test which displayed the man's blood alcohol content at 0.914. The man was treated for serious injuries sustained in the crash and survived.
In February 2005, French gendarmes from Bourg-en-Bresse, France, conducted a breath test on a man who had lost control of his car. He had an alcohol content of 0.976. He was not injured in the accident but was charged with a €150 fine and his driving license was canceled.
There have been reported cases of blood alcohol content higher than 1.00. In March 2009, a 45-year-old man was admitted to the hospital in Skierniewice, Poland, after being struck by a car. The blood test showed blood alcohol content at 1.23. The man survived but did not remember either the accident or the circumstances of his alcohol consumption. One such case was reported by O'Neil, and others in 1984. They report on a 30-year-old man who survived a blood alcohol concentration of 1,500 mg/100 ml blood after vigorous medical intervention.
In 1982, a 24-year-old woman was admitted to the UCLA emergency room with a serum alcohol concentration of 1.5 (1510 mg/dL). She was alert and oriented to person and place (reported in The Lancet, Dec 18, 1982, p. 1394). Serum Alcohol Concentration is not equal to nor calculated in the same way as Blood Alcohol Content. (By conversion using BAC=SAC/1.14, this would correspond to a BAC of 1.33)
In South Africa, a man driving a Mercedes-Benz Vito van containing 15 sheep, allegedly stolen from nearby farms was arrested on December 22, 2010, near Queenstown in Eastern Cape. His blood had an alcohol content of 1.6 g/100 ml. Also in the vehicle were five boys and a woman who were also arrested.
In Poland, a homeless man was found sleeping half-naked on January 28, 2011, in Cieszyn. His blood had an alcohol level of 1.024%. Despite the temperature of −10 °C and extremely high blood alcohol content the man survived.
I have questions. Namely about their livers.
143 | freetoken Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:41:08am |
re: #137 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
At various times I've dabbled in creative writing. I've written stuff before, nonfiction - tiny circulation newspaper, etc.
Writing is a job that doesn't pay well, and with the collapse of the written media (newspapers, magazines) it now pays even less.
I've tried writing short stories before - I prefer them to longer works. Science fiction usually. I'd rather work on stories for film/tv though, but not fluffy stuff that occupies 99% of the industry. That industry is hard enough to break into, but being picky about what I would write would make it impossible. I don't write schlock.
144 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:42:45am |
145 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:48:47am |
re: #143 freetoken
You strike me as a very intelligent and creative individual. I would not be surprised to hear of you selling a screenplay someday.
146 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:49:03am |
re: #144 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
1% Alcohol Level seems...stunning to me.
I mean, blowing 1.6! Holy crap, that's 20 times over the US legal limit. And 32 times over the limit in South Africa, where it happened. In general, Europe has lower BAC level to get in trouble, for the record.
And how can you drink that much and not die. That South African who blew a 1.6 must be the Drunkest Driver in History.
147 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:54:16am |
re: #7 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
I don't find him or her cute. What's wrong with me? Doctor, will I live? :(
You have no heart.
Actually, that thing, as I remarked before, looks like it should be playing at the Mos Eisley cantina.
But cute, in a hideous-baby-animal way.
148 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:57:25am |
re: #73 palomino
It looks like a giant shaved scrotum with eyes, ears and claws. Run for your lives!
Actually a killer aardvark might make a good movie monster.
Dude...scrotum?
That I do not see.
149 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:58:32am |
re: #82 freetoken
We're back to the gunslinging days.
Thing is, back in the actual gunslinging days, people were trying to impose law and order.
Now, it's like we don't want it any more.
150 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:59:12am |
re: #85 Targetpractice
If I thought the NRA would stop banging their drum, I might agree. But they're out there, telling all their membership and anybody who will listen that Obama's waiting til he's reelected to come for everybody's guns. So why keep quiet about something they're gonna scream regardless?
You'd think that they'd notice he didn't come for their guns last time, despite many assurances that he would.
151 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:02:19am |
re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist
Dude...scrotum?
That I do not see.
Your husband is still young-ish. You'll "see" it in about 20 or 30 years.
152 | Four More Tears Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:02:44am |
re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist
Dude...scrotum?
That I do not see.
Just tilt your head to the left, squint your eyes, oh and turn down the lights. Then you'll see it. Right on the snout between the eyes...
153 | Four More Tears Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:04:09am |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
You'd think that they'd notice he didn't come for their guns last time, despite many assurances that he would.
Doesn't matter. The gun industry needs sales, dammit.
154 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:04:21am |
re: #87 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Friend of mine had that happen. Deer ruined his front end and he nearly went off a cliff.
There was the time my husband's uncle hit a deer, somewhere out on White Ark Road. (Deep in the heart of northeastern Lousiana.) Didn't kill it. He had some idea that they could salvage the meat, so he loaded the injured deer into the back of his car (not the back of his truck, please note, the back seat of a sedan). And drove like hell. The deer, presumably unclear on what the hell had just happened, met its maker somewhere on the back roads along the bayou.
My GMIL had to call it in, since it was out of hunting season. "No, no, I said it was HIT at White Ark up by the train tracks. It's not there now. It's in my front yard, in the back seat of Bobby's Corolla. Yes, I said my FRONT YARD...look, write me a ticket or something. I can't do anything about it now."
155 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:07:11am |
re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Your husband is still young-ish. You'll "see" it in about 20 or 30 years.
Thanks for the warning...
156 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:09:10am |
Comment from Zooborns: I am a baby aardvark and I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
157 | freetoken Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:21:06am |
re: #145 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
Thank you, but I'm afraid at this stage of my life I have no more energy to undertake yet another career adventure. Sad but true, at a certain age one becomes unwilling to wildly venture forth anymore. I've tried my hand at several careers, sort of succeeded in one of them for a while, failed to certain degrees in the rest.
Here is the truth for you younger folk: make the most of your days. Don't hold back but go for whatever you desire, try to become whatever you can dream. The day will come soon enough when you will just sit back and watch the rest of the world go by - make each day count till then.
158 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:24:29am |
re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist
Comment from Zooborns: I am a baby aardvark and I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
I thought only humans had scary sex, particularly when involving one night stands, prostitutes, and/or uniquely specific fetishes.
159 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:24:57am |
New update: Hernandez can be an astronaut on the ballot.
[Link: blogs.sacbee.com...]
The suit notes that Hernandez reported to the clerk of the House of Representatives that he received $150,000 last year for serving as the "executive director for strategic operations" with MEI Technologies.
Connelly said the fact that Hernandez worked for NASA only two weeks in 2011 does not mean that he cannot be called an astronaut that year, which also included service at MEI technologies that drew upon his scientific and engineering background.
A key question is whether the ballot designation of "astronaut/scientist/engineer" is misleading as to the cumulative work performed by Hernandez during the 12-month period, according to Connelly.
"Given the scope of the work performed in 2011, the court does not believe it is (misleading)," Connelly said.
160 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:26:18am |
re: #158 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
I thought only humans had scary sex, particularly when involving one night stands, prostitutes, and/or uniquely specific fetishes.
Ha! Reminds me of a bit at the hilarious blog STFUParents, where a woman comments that her toddler has been crying, grabbing her breasts, and hitting her with a wooden spoon all afternoon--and it reminds her of the night he was conceived.
161 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:29:00am |
re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist
New update: Hernandez can be an astronaut on the ballot.
[Link: blogs.sacbee.com...]
The suit notes that Hernandez reported to the clerk of the House of Representatives that he received $150,000 last year for serving as the "executive director for strategic operations" with MEI Technologies.
Connelly said the fact that Hernandez worked for NASA only two weeks in 2011 does not mean that he cannot be called an astronaut that year, which also included service at MEI technologies that drew upon his scientific and engineering background.
A key question is whether the ballot designation of "astronaut/scientist/engineer" is misleading as to the cumulative work performed by Hernandez during the 12-month period, according to Connelly.
"Given the scope of the work performed in 2011, the court does not believe it is (misleading)," Connelly said.
Then I can be a cowboy. I was ranch-sitting on six acres in Sedona, Arizona in 1981. The neighbor had some cattle grazing on the property. Sometimes they would jump the fence. I would phone the neighbor and tell hiim to come put the cows back.
But what does a coboy do? He watches over cattle. Therefore I can put "cowboy" on my job resume or ballot listing.
PS, I have never ever in my life, actively or passively, watched over sheep of any kind...
162 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:29:47am |
re: #139 Targetpractice
Hell, even in war, it was small things that turned the tide. Just a change in the weather could help or doom military campaigns.
But you'll still need Alien Space Bats to get Operation Sealion to work out.
163 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:35:27am |
re: #157 freetoken
I bet you still have something in you that could nail it down.
Here is the truth for you younger folk: make the most of your days. Don't hold back but go for whatever you desire, try to become whatever you can dream.
Do not fear broken bones or broken hearts.
Do not cower before hard stares or hard times.
Do not entertain YeahButs.
Do not be superstitious.
Do not say "No" when deep down inside you want to say "Yes".
164 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:37:54am |
re: #161 Expand Your Ground
Then I can be a cowboy. I was ranch-sitting on six acres in Sedona, Arizona in 1981. The neighbor had some cattle grazing on the property. Sometimes they would jump the fence. I would phone the neighbor and tell hiim to come put the cows back.
But what does a coboy do? He watches over cattle. Therefore I can put "cowboy" on my job resume or ballot listing.
PS, I have never ever in my life, actively or passively, watched over sheep of any kind...
This dude was actually up on the Discovery...just saying.
I can understand his opponent's concern, though. It's very hard to beat 'astronaut' for pure cool points.
165 | freetoken Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:38:41am |
Getting back to the genealogy - from the known portion of my maternal line (which would be the maternal maternal line), among the things which I have forgotten or overlooked:
It turns out I am a son of the Civil War, with one great grandparent definitely riding in the Union calvary - we've got his unit number and dates. (It is possible that the unknown maternal line was involved in the Confederacy, and that both lines fought each other directly.)
It also turns out I am a son of the Revolutionary War, with at least on ancestor involved, who was captured by the British and held prisoner.
Further back, one of by ancestors were colonials in the 1600's, part of the earliest communities in ME and western MA.
I guess all of that makes me about as American as apple pie. So next time someone accuses me of being an anti-American elitist I'll just whip out my pedigree and say I've inherited the right to judge my own ancestors.
166 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:40:10am |
Good morning Lizards from "it's always sunny in Philadelphia Koln".
A pleasant Sunday morning that finds me watching over computer programs at a chemical plant. O_o
A interesting place for discussing/reading alt history ideas is out on Usenet. soc.history.what-if
167 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:41:14am |
re: #164 SanFranciscoZionist
This dude was actually up on the Discovery...just saying.
I can understand his opponent's concern, though. It's very hard to beat 'astronaut' for pure cool points.
Well, I lived on a ranch. More than one, even. Just braggin'.
168 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Apr 1, 2012 2:01:22am |
Start of today's political rhetoric.
Scott Walker is the "anti-Barack Obama".
[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]
O_o The Obama ads will write themselves once the general election starts.
169 | EdDantes Sun, Apr 1, 2012 2:12:49am |
re: #120 freetoken
If my ancestor in 1765 England had not stolen pigeons and mutton I would not be here.
170 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Apr 1, 2012 2:52:33am |
re: #169 EdDantes
If my ancestor in 1765 England had not stolen pigeons and mutton I would not be here.
I didn't understand eating "squab" until I got over to Europe and realized that the pigeons are about 50% larger than the US versions.
171 | Varek Raith Sun, Apr 1, 2012 3:05:04am |
re: #169 EdDantes
If my ancestor in 1765 England had not stolen pigeons and mutton I would not be here.
Thus showing that petty larceny is a grand thing.
XD
172 | EdDantes Sun, Apr 1, 2012 3:13:52am |
re: #170 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I didn't understand eating "squab" until I got over to Europe and realized that the pigeons are about 50% larger than the US versions.
I'd always considered Pigeons flying rats. But in 18th century England it was another source of protein.
173 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Apr 1, 2012 3:51:13am |
re: #172 EdDantes
I'd always considered Pigeons flying rats. But in 18th century England it was another source of protein.
And even farther back. Dovecotes and all that. I have a picture somewhere of an old stone dovecote from Avebury in Wiltshire.
Plus it's a potential construction for manor improvement in the one RPG I play in. Makes sense. Free range birds that you can then harvest for meat and eggs. Sort of like building artificial mounds with the intent that the rabbits will come and settle there.
175 | Varek Raith Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:31:56am |
This wasn't easy for me to decide, but, I'm voting for Romney.
176 | freetoken Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:32:28am |
178 | freetoken Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:34:59am |
179 | Varek Raith Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:36:09am |
180 | dell*nix Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:38:57am |
re: #165 freetoken
On the paternal side I have two direct ancestors who were Union infantry. On the maternal side I have a Confederate cavalry/medical service ancestor. One confirmed Rev War vet on the maternal side. Plus one supposedly served with the Swamp Fox, but no proof. Non-direct relatives in the War of 1812 and one with Fannin with the Georgia troops. Plus one or two with the Brits in Rev War. Not looking too close at one or two well known feuds here in Texas.
181 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:41:26am |
re: #89 goddamnedfrank
Shot.them.in.the.back!
Yeah, they came into his front yard, walking backwards. That happens.
I'm just like ... fucking Wow! And wondering how this is the first time I've heard of it.
The Grand Jury just flat out let this guy off on a double murder. I'm sure the fact that the two dead men were illegal aliens didn't unduly sway the deliberations at all.
Don't worry. It's all OK. The system worked. Trust the authorities and your fellow citizens.//
182 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:46:32am |
re: #158 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks
I thought only humans had scary sex, particularly when involving one night stands, prostitutes, and/or uniquely specific fetishes.
Hedgehog sex is very scary.
183 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:50:48am |
Buck is a one-man shitbrick factory.
184 | Varek Raith Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:00:21am |
Well, I'm off to North Carolina for a week.
Later gators.
:)
185 | sagehen Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:00:23am |
re: #175 Varek Raith
This wasn't easy for me to decide, but, I'm voting for Romney.
My state won't primary for awhile yet, but I'm hoping Huntsman is on the ballot. If it's just between Romney and and Santorum, maybe I'll vote for a write-in.
187 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:07:50am |
re: #186 Dire Straits
Probably more they eat the ants, than the hills.
188 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:08:56am |
189 | Dire Straits Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:09:30am |
re: #187 Obdicut
They have a dinosaur type of look to them.
190 | Dire Straits Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:10:58am |
re: #180 dell*nix
On the paternal side I have two direct ancestors who were Union infantry. On the maternal side I have a Confederate cavalry/medical service ancestor. One confirmed Rev War vet on the maternal side. Plus one supposedly served with the Swamp Fox, but no proof. Non-direct relatives in the War of 1812 and one with Fannin with the Georgia troops. Plus one or two with the Brits in Rev War. Not looking too close at one or two well known feuds here in Texas.
IF they were with Fanin they were I am assuming massacred at the Goliad Massacre a few weeks after the Fall of the Alamo.
191 | dell*nix Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:19:26am |
re: #190 Dire Straits
The relative with Fannin was in medical quarantine and not with the main force. He missed getting captured with the main troop. Several men managed to not get caught or managed to escape. A couple of Fannin's troops were saved by actions of Mexican Army troops who did not like the execution orders.
192 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:22:20am |
re: #191 dell*nix
Really a battle of the assholes. Texans fighting to preserve slavery vs. Mexicans executing POWs.
193 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:34:39am |
re: #192 Obdicut
Really a battle of the assholes. Texans fighting to preserve slavery vs. Mexicans executing POWs.
Though to the Mexican Army they were executing rebels trying to overthrow the legitimate government of the province.
194 | Flounder Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:36:41am |
That aardvark is uglier than a hairless cat, bt what the hell do I know. Good morning!
195 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:37:06am |
re: #193 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Sure, still, executing people is bad. Miss Manners is agin' it.
196 | RogueOne Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:38:20am |
Anyone remember this case out of MO?
Missouri Property Searched After Claims of Horrific Sex Abuse, Murder
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
and another link with more details:
Missouri Sex Abuse Case Gets Even More Grotesque
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
I've been waiting for the trial for 2 years but a couple weeks ago they finally got around to dropping the charges:
Missouri prosecutor drops all charges in Mohler family sex case:
[Link: www.columbiamissourian.com...]
KANSAS CITY — A Missouri prosecutor said Wednesday she was dropping all charges against five men accused of sexually molesting young relatives on a western Missouri farm more than 20 years ago, saying she doubted she could convince a jury that the bizarre claims were true.
"Whether or not I believe the allegations is an independent question from whether or not I believe I can prove each and every element of the case beyond a reasonable doubt at trial," prosecutor Kellie Wingate Campbell said after notifying courts in three counties of her action.
197 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:50:23am |
re: #194 Tommy's cone of shame
That aardvark is uglier than a hairless cat, bt what the hell do I know.
Like me, you also have no heart. Fellow monstrous freak!
198 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:52:29am |
re: #196 RogueOne
Oh, seems like another fake memory/satanic panic incident.
199 | Flounder Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:57:32am |
re: #197 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
I resemble that remark!
Currently my kids favorite channel is Animal Planet. A show called "Too Cute" documents puppies and kittens from birf to +/- 8 weeks. I'm currently watching a kitten getting sucked out of a drainpipe by a shop vac, hilarious! (especially since I have no heart)
200 | RogueOne Sun, Apr 1, 2012 5:58:24am |
re: #198 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Yeah, sounded straight out of the 80's. The story popped up right around the time of the Scott Brown/Martha Coakley race which is probably why my BS meter got pegged right away. Well, that and they never did find anything close to "evidence".
In case you don't know about the Coakley connection:
A very brief history...
[Link: www.politico.com...]
201 | PhillyPretzel Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:01:39am |
re: #199 Tommy's cone of shame
Puppies and kittens are cute especially when they investigate something new.
202 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:01:40am |
re: #199 Tommy's cone of shame
But kittens and puppies are fluffy! Unlike the monster above! /
203 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:03:50am |
re: #202 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Image: 1300410199_178426423_1-Pictures-of--Sphynx-Kittens-for-Sale.jpg
204 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:04:39am |
205 | Flounder Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:07:50am |
I have to head out, I hope everyone has a great day. Update on my hound dog Amedeus, my wife removed the cone of shame and he is very happy. The cone screwed with his vision, so he was kinda whacked out with it on. Now we just put him in my sons old toddler t-shirts to keep him from licking his wound. (He got bit by neighbor dog, twenty staples or so) My username pic will have to change.
206 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:22:57am |
re: #193 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Though to the Mexican Army they were executing rebels trying to overthrow the legitimate government of the province.
Any dictator who deos not allow slavery deserves to be overthrown...
207 | Tigger2005 Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:24:12am |
re: #67 ProGunLiberal
I hate reality TV. I heard someone say that the Hunger Games plotline is basically showing the extreme end of Reality TV gone rampant, or something like that.
That's part of it, but it's not a new idea in science fiction; the idea of a death match as reality TV that is. It's been done before in Battle Royale, The Running Man, etc. The Hunger Games has another major element related to today's world that adds to its appeal, the growing gap between the rich and poor. The Capitol takes all the fruits of the 12 districts' labor and gives very little back. In the poorer districts the people are constantly battling starvation while the people of the Capitol indulge in excess.
***SPOILER ALERT***
It's also interesting how, when The Hunger Games moves outside the Arena to depict the rebellion against the Capitol, televised propaganda remains central to the plot. The rebels are aware of its power and use it even more effectively than the Capitol. The war itself, especially as it moves into the streets of the Capitol itself, makes you think of a video game, with the revel soldiers facing horrors conjured up by the same Gamemakers who prepare the Arenas for the tributes.
209 | darthstar Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:38:56am |
Cute aardvark...does it sound like Jackie Mason when it talks? "Hello ant. I'm going to eat you. Please don't run!"
210 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:39:16am |
Leaked Documents Reveal Flatland Institute Plan To Brainwash Toddlers With 'Baby Inhofe' Videos.... adf.ly/6v05H #SkyRSSNetwork— Think Progess Feed (@ThinkProgressFD) April 1, 2012
211 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:40:26am |
re: #65 Gus
Tammany would have loved Sarah.
Not really. Tammany Hall ward bosses were expected to know what was going on in their wards. That required being observant and being able to learn, neither of which are qualities Sarah Palin possesses.
212 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:50:15am |
re: #193 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Though to the Mexican Army they were executing rebels trying to overthrow the legitimate government of the province.
And they acted in the name of a General who fancied himself a battle-winner of Napoleon's caliber (the Mexican lancers Santa Ana deployed at the Alamo were formed in direct imitation of the Polish Lancers who had fought as part of la Grande Armee), but proceeded to make deployment mistakes at San Jancino that Napoleon would never have made even on his worst day.
213 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:01:38am |
Interesting.
Militia Member Drugs and Kills Afghan Colleagues
By FAROOQ JAN MANGAL and MATTHEW ROSENBERG
Published: March 30, 2012
KHOST, Afghanistan — A member of a militia promoted by the American military to protect rural villages drugged his Afghan colleagues and killed at least nine of them as they slept on Friday, a police official said, in the third deadly episode involving the irregular guard force in March.
214 | SteelGHAZI Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:03:35am |
re: #209 darthstar
Cute aardvark...does it sound like Jackie Mason when it talks? "Hello ant. I'm going to eat you. Please don't run!"
:D
215 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:12:50am |
re: #213 Gus
Interesting.
Militia Member Drugs and Kills Afghan Colleagues
By FAROOQ JAN MANGAL and MATTHEW ROSENBERG
Published: March 30, 2012
That sounds more like the Taliban at work. I've been thinking about these incidents, and I think that in cases where Afghans perpetrate this sort of betrayal the Afghan government should execute them summarily. No trial should be held if the killer is caught red-handed. Instead the scumbag should be lead in chains before what remains of his unit, chained to a post, and then executed by shotgun fire; the idea of the last being to produce a mangled corpse as a warning without inflict torture on the terrorist while he is still living.
217 | RogueOne Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:16:37am |
re: #213 Gus
Interesting.
Militia Member Drugs and Kills Afghan Colleagues
By FAROOQ JAN MANGAL and MATTHEW ROSENBERG
Published: March 30, 2012
Copycat.
218 | darthstar Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:18:44am |
re: #215 Dark_Falcon
That sounds more like the Taliban at work.
Except that it was someone we promoted ('we' being the good guys, America, fuck yeah!)
A member of a militia promoted by the American military to protect rural villages
That first line is tricky and easy to miss.
219 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:20:49am |
“What else has she done? Female, wounded veteran … ehhh,” he continued. “She is nothing more than a handpicked Washington bureaucrat. David Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel just picked her up and dropped her into this district.” -- Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL)
221 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:22:28am |
re: #215 Dark_Falcon
That sounds more like the Taliban at work. I've been thinking about these incidents, and I think that in cases where Afghans perpetrate this sort of betrayal the Afghan government should execute them summarily. No trial should be held if the killer is caught red-handed. Instead the scumbag should be lead in chains before what remains of his unit, chained to a post, and then executed by shotgun fire; the idea of the last being to produce a mangled corpse as a warning without inflict torture on the terrorist while he is still living.
As long as you agree this should be done to American soldiers in similar circumstances. / not
222 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:23:30am |
re: #219 Gus
I really hope he gets his ass kicked in November. He has got to be the most colossal prick in American Politics since Preston Brooks.
223 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:25:44am |
re: #215 Dark_Falcon
Not to make a federal case out of this but that's a little over the top don't you think so DF?
224 | darthstar Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:28:18am |
re: #223 Gus
Not to make a federal case out of this but that's a little over the top don't you think so DF?
Life is just a fantasy.
226 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:44:30am |
re: #222 ProGunLiberal
I really hope he gets his ass kicked in November. He has got to be the most colossal prick in American Politics since Preston Brooks.
you ain't kidding. I gave money to Peter Roskam when he ran against Duckworth, but that was a pro-Roskam action (Roskam does his job well). Walsh is a disgrace and the only Republican in Illinois I've specifically told my father not to give money to. I don't say this often, but 8th District is one of a very few cases in my life where I hope a Republican gets his ass kicked up between his shoulder blades.
227 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:50:47am |
re: #220 Obdicut
Advocating war crimes is always stupid.
If there is any doubt about guilt, then by all means I support a trial. And in sober point of fact I wouldn't advocate doing what I suggested more than once. But I feel that some kind of example has to be made of one of these dirtbags who kill their comrades, and the best sort of example in a case like this is to kill one of them publicly and brutally.
229 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:51:30am |
re: #227 Dark_Falcon
If there is any doubt about guilt, then by all means I support a trial. And in sober point of fact I wouldn't advocate doing what I suggested more than once. But I feel that some kind of example has to be made of one of these dirtbags who kill their comrades, and the best sort of example in a case like this is to kill one of them publicly and brutally.
So you support doing that to Bales, right?
230 | sagehen Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:52:38am |
231 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:52:47am |
re: #229 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
So you support doing that to Bales, right?
Yes, absolutely. If he's convicted, then execute him by firing squad with shotguns. I'm fine with that idea.
232 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:53:21am |
re: #231 Dark_Falcon
Yes, absolutely. If he's convicted, then execute him by firing squad with shotguns. I'm fine with that idea.
Without trial, of course.
233 | darthstar Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:54:09am |
re: #227 Dark_Falcon
And in sober point of fact I wouldn't advocate doing what I suggested more than once.
Chaining a guy to a post in front of his comrades and shooting him with a shotgun a second time would be cruel.
234 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:54:34am |
Done
Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL) Insults Service and Wounds of Double Amputee Iraq War Veteran
I'm sure someone already posted something but I add some color to the report.
235 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:55:18am |
re: #230 sagehen
she is pretty damn impressive...
...
Duckworth lost the lower part of both legs from injuries sustained on November 12, 2004, when the UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter she was co-piloting was hit by a rocket propelled grenade fired by Iraqi insurgents. The explosion “almost completely destroyed her right arm, breaking it in three places and tearing tissue from the back side of it.” Duckworth received a Purple Heart on December 3 and was promoted to Major on December 21 at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center, where she was presented with an Air Medal and Army Commendation Medal.
236 | darthstar Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:57:31am |
re: #231 Dark_Falcon
Yes, absolutely. If he's convicted, then execute him by firing squad with shotguns. I'm fine with that idea.
Again with the shotguns? You do realize that firing squads have traditionally used rifles, don't you? Maybe we should execute people with RPGs...that'll REALLY teach 'em a lesson.
237 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 1, 2012 7:59:36am |
re: #232 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Without trial, of course.
No, that last was to be reserved for one killer caught in the act. And it was not a good idea. The shotgun part still stands, though.
238 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:00:15am |
re: #237 Dark_Falcon
No, that last was to be reserved for one killer caught in the act. And it was not a good idea. The shotgun part still stands, though.
OK, at least you acknowledge it was not a good idea.
239 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:01:26am |
re: #238 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
OK, at least you acknowledge it was not a good idea.
Like PLL, sometimes I get very pissed off and my anger gets the better of me.
241 | darthstar Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:04:44am |
re: #237 Dark_Falcon
No, that last was to be reserved for one killer caught in the act. And it was not a good idea. The shotgun part still stands, though.
How close? Ten feet? That would pretty much guarantee pieces of skull flying off the guy's head. Or maybe 25 yards with bird shot...though that would be like hunting with Dick Cheney though and it would take several shots to bring the guy down. I'm guessing your fantasy is the big red splash of blood and guts...
242 | RogueOne Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:07:12am |
Speaking of bad ideas:
A Crime to Use “Any Electronic or Digital Device” “And Use Any Obscene, Lewd or Profane Language” “With Intent to … Offend”?
[Link: volokh.com...]
That’s what Arizona HB 2549, which was just passed by both houses (though not yet signed by the Governor) provides, in relevant part:
It is unlawful for any person, with intent to terrify, intimidate, threaten, harass, annoy or offend, to use a telephone ANY ELECTRONIC OR DIGITAL DEVICE and use any obscene, lewd or profane language or suggest any lewd or lascivious act, or threaten to inflict physical harm to the person or property of any person.........
So, under the statute, posting a comment to a newspaper article — or a blog — saying that the article or post author is “fucking out of line” would be a crime: It’s said with intent to offend, it uses an electronic or digital device, and it uses what likely will be seen as profane language (see, e.g., City of Columbia Falls v. Bennett (Mont. 1991)). Likewise if a blog poster were to post the same in response to a commenter’s comment. Likewise if someone posts something in response to an e-mail on an e-mail-based discussion list, or in a chatroom, or wherever else. (Note that if “profane” is read to mean not vulgarly insulting, but instead religiously offensive, see City of Bellevue v. Lorang (Wash. 2000), then the statute would be unconstitutional as well.)
You folks in AZ better watch your fucking mouths, I'm easily offended.
243 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:08:44am |
re: #242 RogueOne
Conservatives strike again, huh.
245 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:10:51am |
re: #244 Gus
*cue the Ds voted for it too excuse*
246 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:11:16am |
re: #242 RogueOne
Arizona plan for success:
1. Pass hyperconservative law. This can either be in glibertarian or socon format, your choice.
2. Law is struck down with prejudice in court after you waste a lot of money dealing with it.
3. Blather about how the federal government is not allowing you/forcing you to do something you do/don't want.
4. Get campaign contributes, sell books, get speakers fees.
5. Profit!
It's a full underpants-gnome.
247 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:11:23am |
re: #245 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
*cue the Ds voted for it too excuse*
Roll out Tipper Gore man!
248 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:11:52am |
re: #247 Gus
She's the Sharpton-Jackson of old!
249 | RogueOne Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:12:22am |
re: #243 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Conservatives strike again, huh.
It passed 58-1 and 30-0.......That annoys me. If they voted electronically I think I'm now entitled to sue.
250 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:12:49am |
re: #248 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
She's the Sharpton-Jackson of old!
Handy like Robert Byrd!
251 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:13:21am |
re: #249 RogueOne
It passed 58-1 and 30-0...That annoys me. If they voted electronically I think I'm now entitled to sue.
Yeah, I said conservatives, not Republicans.
252 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:15:16am |
One of the friends who is advising me on the girl is herself engaged (got so back in October).
Her Wedding Date is December 21st, 2012. I am very happy she found her match in life. Also making me happy is the fact she is thumbing her nose at the Mayan Prophecy jagoffs.
254 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:16:21am |
re: #251 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Yeah, I said conservatives, not Republicans.
Just another reason not to relocate to Arizona?
255 | darthstar Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:17:40am |
re: #252 ProGunLiberal
One of the friends who is advising me on the girl is herself engaged (got so back in October).
Her Wedding Date is December 21st, 2012. I am very happy she found her match in life. Also making me happy is the fact she is thumbing her nose at the Mayan Prophecy jagoffs.
Please suggest this to her as a first dance song.
256 | darthstar Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:18:40am |
re: #253 Kronocide
Worst Album Covers of All Time
(few pics of boobs)
(hell, they're all boobs)
Saw that the other day...pretty funny stuff, some of it.
257 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:19:22am |
re: #255 darthstar
I might just do that. I was curious what you song you had linked to, and this one properly amuses me.
258 | darthstar Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:22:16am |
re: #257 ProGunLiberal
I might just do that. I was curious what you song you had linked to, and this one properly amuses me.
Maybe not for the first dance, but definitely in the first few. My wife and I danced to Tupelo Honey followed by Ring of Fire.
260 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:29:17am |
re: #259 Gus
So they basically forged a recording. What a swell bunch of guys.
261 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:30:45am |
re: #260 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Mass media in the US is such a damn joke. You can count the number of good journalists with any sort of national recognition on one hand.
262 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:33:58am |
re: #260 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
So they basically forged a recording. What a swell bunch of guys.
I never heard the Today version. Only heard the correct version all along.
263 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:40:48am |
dingalanche
265 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:41:43am |
re: #264 Gus
Nah, nothing special.
266 | Kronocide Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:42:21am |
re: #260 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
So they basically forged a recording. What a swell bunch of guys.
Pretty stupid. Not the journalistic crime Hannity thinks it is.
267 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:42:38am |
re: #265 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Nah, nothing special.
OK. In other news! Hope this thing goes to trial soon before it gets even more out of hand.
268 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:45:01am |
269 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:47:10am |
re: #266 Kronocide
Oh, it absolutely is bad. Of course, Hannity et al. will instrumentalize it.
270 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:47:47am |
Hannity is shocked by selective editing?
Only because it concerns race. Their bread and butter, race incitement.
271 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:48:03am |
re: #269 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Oh, it absolutely is bad. Of course, Hannity et al. will instrumentalize it.
Yep. It was bad. But now I'll have to be on an NBC Today Show "apology tour."
//
272 | Kronocide Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:49:54am |
re: #268 Gus
...
Ugh. I'm mad at NBC for providing fodder to the Usual Lamestream Media Hounds just as much for the questionable editing.
I didn't see the Today Show segment until the last few hours. But saying 'he looks black' is not evidence of racial profiling.
273 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:52:36am |
re: #272 Kronocide
Ugh. I'm mad at NBC for providing fodder to the Usual Lamestream Media Hounds just as much for the questionable editing.
I didn't see the Today Show segment until the last few hours. But saying 'he looks black' is not evidence of racial profiling.
In the context it was pronounced, it isn't. In NBC's forgery it is:
This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.
274 | Kronocide Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:53:30am |
re: #269 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Oh, it absolutely is bad. Of course, Hannity et al. will instrumentalize it.
I think it's bad, but not in the way Hannity is making it out to be. If NBC was attempting to create pretense of racial profiling to the level Hannity made it out to be, they failed at it.
So any way you look at it, NBC failed.
275 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:54:50am |
re: #273 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
In the context it was pronounced, it isn't. In NBC's forgery it is:
Today Show version:
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.
Actual version:
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.
276 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:55:29am |
277 | Kronocide Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:55:47am |
re: #273 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
In the context it was pronounced, it isn't. In NBC's forgery it is:
Yah, I'm watching it again.
279 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:57:10am |
Of course, NBC's foibles don't mean anything in regard to the actual case.
281 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:58:22am |
Thank you, NBC, for improving the discourse. //
282 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:01:40am |
re: #281 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Thank you, NBC, for improving the discourse. //
Oh. This is just hitting the blogs this morning. It'll blow over without any notice from the usual suspects.
//
283 | Kronocide Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:02:57am |
Thank you NBC for becoming 'The Mainstream Media' and giving Hannity/Bozell a crapton of fodder to evangelize against the Mainstream Media.
(Even though they're the real Blamestream Media)
(Which makes Palin right, NBC is the Lamestream Media)
Oh snap.
284 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:04:30am |
re: #283 Kronocide
Thank you NBC for becoming 'The Mainstream Media' and giving Hannity/Bozell a crapton of fodder to evangelize against the Mainstream Media.
(Even though they're the real Blamestream Media)
(Which makes Palin right, NBC is the Lamestream Media)
Oh snap.
Yeah but she's going to guest host the Today Show on Tuesday.
285 | Kronocide Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:09:34am |
re: #284 Gus
Yeah but she's going to guest host the Today Show on Tuesday.
GET.THE.FUCK.OUT.
I was just reading about that.... weird.
Palin hosts The Lamestream Today Show
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will be the guest hosting on NBC's "Today" show this Tuesday.
"I see this as a good opportunity to bring an independent, common-sense conservative perspective to NBC. We’re 'going rogue' and infiltrating some turf for a day,” Palin told Breitbart News.
Meanwhile this week, Katie Couric will be filling in for Robin Roberts on ABC's "Good Morning America." Palin and Couric squared off in that controversial interview on the 2008 campaign trail.
Palin had a brief response to Breitbart News's request for comment about the fact that she will be competing with Couric: "Game on."
286 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:09:57am |
re: #283 Kronocide
Thank you NBC for becoming 'The Mainstream Media' and giving Hannity/Bozell a crapton of fodder to evangelize against the Mainstream Media.
(Even though they're the real Blamestream Media)
(Which makes Palin right, NBC is the Lamestream Media)
Oh snap.
Is the Today show NBC? Cause Sister Sarah is a guest host on Today on Tuesday. Perfect!
288 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:10:50am |
re: #286 Hoodies for Justice. T
Is the Today show NBC? Cause Sister Sarah is a guest host on Today on Tuesday. Perfect!
I guess that make the Today Show "fair and balanced." There's a joke in here somewhere.
290 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:12:06am |
Of course when conservatives say they're common sense, they're being elitist.
291 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:12:27am |
On another note, one of my housemates is pretty much a fucking comedian. I'm listening to him call all of his peeps (he started with A) with some outrageous April fools jokes now.
292 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:15:49am |
Some of the calls: "I need some advice from you, and you are such a good friend that I appreciate what you say" then onto some crazy ass situation. The other person is freaking out. He goes on and on with some crazy story, says April fools and hangs up. They call back yelling. Funny as shit.
293 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:16:03am |
I'm guessing this lady over at Breitbart.com probably won't be voting for Pres.Obama... twitter.com/Path2Enlighten…
— Path2Enlightenment (@Path2Enlighten) April 1, 2012
295 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:18:13am |
re: #293 Gus
"Half-white biologically! Yet, he's all BLACK mentally."
Man oh man there are some seriously derpy people out there.
296 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:19:01am |
re: #295 Gus
"Half-white biologically! Yet, he's all BLACK mentally."
Man oh man there are some seriously derpy people out there.
what racism?
297 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:20:38am |
re: #296 Hoodies for Justice. T
what racism?
Right. That's some serious white supremacy shit going on there. They need to be themselves and start using the n-word because you know that's what they're thinking.
298 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:20:58am |
re: #295 Gus
"Half-white biologically! Yet, he's all BLACK mentally."
Man oh man there are some seriously derpy people out there.
Look who she follows! She has no clue
[Link: twitter.com...]
299 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:23:05am |
re: #298 Hoodies for Justice. T
Look who she follows! She has no clue
[Link: twitter.com...]
Funny. Most everything else is some right-wing Christian outfit. Right, Christian. Uh huh. "Half white biologically" is a Christian teaching.
300 | Kronocide Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:24:10am |
Wow. Soledad O'Brien really touched the rw media's butthole, didn't she? They willl never let her forget it.
301 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:25:25am |
yaooza
302 | Lidane Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:28:28am |
re: #295 Gus
"Half-white biologically! Yet, he's all BLACK mentally."
WTF does that even mean?
I seriously don't understand this kind of racist derp. And she claims to be a Christian. The hell?
303 | Lidane Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:29:33am |
re: #300 Kronocide
Wow. Soledad O'Brien really touched the rw media's butthole, didn't she? They willl never let her forget it.
I hope she keeps doing it. Anything that pisses off the RWNJs is a good thing.
304 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:30:08am |
re: #301 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
yaooza
the little avatar so stood out, I knew something was WRONG.
305 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:30:44am |
re: #302 Lidane
WTF does that even mean?
I seriously don't understand this kind of racist derp. And she claims to be a Christian. The hell?
Just another member of the Kloseted Khristian Klan. Funny how Breitbart.com seems to attract a lot of those.
306 | Kronocide Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:31:09am |
re: #303 Lidane
I hope she keeps doing it. Anything that pisses off the RWNJs is a good thing.
Ironic in that she was doing her job and asking the questions... and now NBC does this stupid crap.
307 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:31:56am |
Austrian Freedom Party apologises and removes election posters that framed Moroccans as thieves bit.ly/H8ziiJ— Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) April 1, 2012
308 | Lidane Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:32:47am |
re: #306 Kronocide
Ironic in that she was doing her job and asking the questions... and now NBC does this stupid crap.
She was asking the wrong questions, apparently.
It's a bumper sticker cliche, but it's true -- the media in this country is only as liberal as the conservative corporations that own them.
309 | Lidane Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:37:02am |
Quick! Someone remind Geraldo Rivera that this is an April Fool's prank before he hyperventilates:
Technomancer Digital Wizard Hoodie
Heh.
310 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:38:52am |
OK, where are all the April 1st pranks?
311 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:39:14am |
re: #309 Lidane
Quick! Someone remind Geraldo Rivera that this is an April Fool's prank before he hyperventilates:
Technomancer Digital Wizard Hoodie
Heh.
312 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:40:37am |
Anti-capitalist battles injure 15 police in Frankfurt
At least 15 German police officers were injured, one seriously, during rioting that lasted into Sunday morning, following an anti-capitalist protest in Frankfurt, police said.
Demonstrators threw paint bombs at the European Central Bank and attacked emergency vehicles on Saturday in violence which escalated after police tried to arrest several protesters in the heart of Germany's financial capital.
Battles stretched through the night and one officer was taken to intensive care after being singled out by a handful of demonstrators. Officers who went to his aid were met with massive violence, police said.
313 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:42:20am |
re: #310 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
OK, where are all the April 1st pranks?
My housemate is destroying all his friends. It's quite hilarious.
315 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:45:59am |
re: #313 Hoodies for Justice. T
My housemate is destroying all his friends. It's quite hilarious.
Gotta share. This dude is white bread. He told one guy that he got involved with these dudes with a truck and tried to yank an ATM machine from a gas station. They got caught. Come to jail & get me out please. The person freaked out.
I'm having a very very humorous morn.
316 | Interesting Times Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:47:26am |
Beginning to suspect Alito and Scalia write 45% of the comments I read on political blogs.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) April 1, 2012
317 | Kronocide Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:49:23am |
Trayvon Martin's parents are coming on my show tonight live on FNC @10pm ET- I'm going to apologize for guilty hoodie stuff
— Geraldo Rivera (@GeraldoRivera) April 1, 2012
319 | Interesting Times Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:50:56am |
re: #317 Kronocide
"Apologize"? Or yet another heap of bullshit "sorry if you were offended by my lifesaving commentary" crap?
At any rate, the entire Faux News network owes the Martin family an apology.
320 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:51:18am |
Love the sinner – hate the sin? Enough with that judging multitasking!I say, “Love the sinner – hate her clothes!” twitter.com/BettyBowers/st…
— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) April 1, 2012
322 | Kronocide Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:00:17am |
??? RT @brooksbayne: now @Toure spends time trying to validate his lust for revenge by using the "white privilege" bogeyman. fascinating.
— Touré (@Toure) April 1, 2012
323 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:02:41am |
re: #322 Kronocide
Suddenly people care what Brooks Bayne thinks. I know, I got in that mess too from the Sandra Fluke thing. He's such a wanker-shredder-too old to be a hipster dufus.
324 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:02:53am |
re: #319 Interesting Times
"Apologize"? Or yet another heap of bullshit "sorry if you were offended by my lifesaving commentary" crap?
At any rate, the entire Faux News network owes the Martin family an apology.
And that I hope happens. And that the Fox trolls see the face of the parents.
325 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:03:33am |
re: #322 Kronocide
Are there people who are so clueless they don't believe white privilege exists?
326 | Lidane Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:07:53am |
re: #325 Obdicut
Are there people who are so clueless they don't believe white privilege exists?
Yes. They're the ones who claim that minorities are the real racists for pointing out that white privilege exists.
327 | Kronocide Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:08:24am |
re: #325 Obdicut
Are there people who are so clueless they don't believe white privilege exists?
I don't think they're clueless, they're in denial or full of it. I think the first sign is offense at the Great Black Privilege of being able to say the N-Word.
The first rule of White Clue: there is no White Club.
The second rule of White Club: there is no White Club
The third rule of White Club: black people say the N-Word, whaaaahhh.
328 | jaunte Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:08:48am |
re: #325 Obdicut
Jim Webb: [Link: www.outsidethebeltway.com...]
329 | Amory Blaine Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:10:31am |
re: #319 Interesting Times
"Apologize"? Or yet another heap of bullshit "sorry if you were offended by my lifesaving commentary" crap?
At any rate, the entire Faux News network owes the Martin family an apology.
Fuck the apology. They push for ratings among their troglodyte audience by smearing the boy then they push for ratings by issuing an apology. There is no apology acceptable FOX could make.
Watch, Geraldo will offer a half assed apology, then at the top of the hour, the network will have more race baiting bashing.
330 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:10:49am |
re: #327 Kronocide
Yeah, that's what I figure, mostly. It takes some serious delusion to look around at this nation and somehow conclude that white people are at disadvantage.
331 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:11:50am |
Buck is an Energizer bunny. Still going.
332 | Kronocide Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:12:25am |
re: #330 Obdicut
Yeah, that's what I figure, mostly. It takes some serious delusion to look around at this nation and somehow conclude that white people are at disadvantage.
The newest 'I have a black friend' defense: we have a black president.
333 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:12:36am |
re: #331 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Buck is an Energizer bunny. Still going.
He's like one of those USENET guys that wakes up in the morning thinking about his latest internet feud.
335 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:14:04am |
re: #331 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
I think he's trying for the internet's pathetic moment. When he revealed that the reason he believed in the historicity of the bible because of disproved claims by an extremely-out-of-date explicitly evangelical professor and a couple of actual creationists, I thought he was close to it.
336 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:14:10am |
337 | Amory Blaine Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:14:15am |
338 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:14:32am |
Or was it Parkinson's? I forget. /
340 | Kronocide Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:17:59am |
Birth of a Right Wing Meme:
WeazelZippers:
NAACP-Led Protesters Compare Death Of Trayvon Martin To Jesus Dying On The Cross…
....links to Newser:
Sanford March Compares Trayvon to Jesus Christ
(Newser) – Leaders from the NAACP and other groups led a massive crowd through the streets of Sanford, Florida, today to demand the arrest of George Zimmerman—and deny reports of an economic boycott, the Orlando Sentinel reports. "We want an arrest, shot in the chest," chanted the crowd, which MSNBC estimated in the thousands. They stopped outside police headquarters for speeches and a benediction comparing Trayvon Martin's death to that of Jesus Christ.
I've watched the MSNBC video twice, an interview with Ben Jealous. Nothing about Jesus Christ.
Who's inciting racial tensions again?
341 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:20:59am |
re: #340 Kronocide
Birth of a Right Wing Meme:
WeazelZippers:
NAACP-Led Protesters Compare Death Of Trayvon Martin To Jesus Dying On The Cross…...links to Newser:
Sanford March Compares Trayvon to Jesus ChristI've watched the MSNBC video twice, an interview with Ben Jealous. Nothing about Jesus Christ.
Who's inciting racial tensions again?
The scared racists. I bet we can find many parallels in the civil rights movement. Same shit from the same racists, trying so hard to cover their asses.
342 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:22:49am |
Karma: -10,029
*popping champagne*
343 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:24:11am |
re: #342 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Karma: -10,029
*popping champagne*
That's a lot of work.
344 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:24:25am |
re: #342 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Karma: -10,029
*popping champagne*
A Chateau Fundie Brut I hope.
//
345 | Kronocide Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:26:39am |
re: #341 Hoodies for Justice. T
The scared racists. I bet we can find many parallels in the civil rights movement. Same shit from the same racists, trying so hard to cover their asses.
They're scared of black people getting pissed. They sure are now, and how can you blame them? The incident is loaded with racial tension. Black people talking about racial tension is not causing racial tension, it's dealing with it. Many of them get really charged and may say some crazy or impractical crap, but give them a couple of hundred years of slack. It's their right and totally understandable.
Denying the black worldview is today's unspoken Jim Crow meme.
346 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:26:48am |
re: #343 Shvaughn
That's a lot of work.
Yes. I want to congratulate everybody for the hard toil. We did it!
347 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:28:29am |
OK, NSFW:
348 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:30:31am |
CSM on the journalistic ethics of Rev. Al
Trayvon Martin: With call for sanctions, is Al Sharpton crossing a line?
“Punishing me and the rest of downtown for something? No,” wine merchant Ken Martin told Fox. “We don't do that to you, why do that to us?”
....especially in the case of Sharpton, the much-documented ideological polarization of the media has blurred the lines between reporting on those protests and leading them. Business owners in Sanford say they're already dealing with empty shopping aisles and restaurant tables amid the fallout from the Trayvon Martin case and the media spotlight focused on their town."People in Sanford are afraid," insurance company owner Steven Lucas told the Orlando Sentinel. "It feels like something is about to happen, and they're holding onto their money."
To some observers, like the Poynter Institute's Kelly McBride, Sharpton's role and MSNBC's support is in part defensible, since few people, given Sharpton's long history in the public spotlight, view him as a professional journalist. Others have said Sharpton's role in the protest has not made his show controversial, but simply predictable.
Yet the image of a major cable news host possibly instigating a boycott for racial justice that could have broad economic repercussions is likely to further fuel the debate over the media's role in social unrest.
“Sharpton's dual role would have been unthinkable on television 20 years ago and still wouldn't be allowed at many news organizations,” writes David Bauer of the Associated Press.
349 | Kronocide Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:30:45am |
Even if somebody invoked 'Trayvon = Jesus' rhetoric, it doesn't change much at all. This is a very charged situation and emotions are running high. Sometimes you just understand and cut people some slack.
Denying them that accommodation is being ignorant of their situation, or worse, denying them their voice by ridiculing or mocking them over a real grievance.
350 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:32:32am |
re: #348 Killgore Trout
Given that the TM story went big without any input from Sharpton, he should STFU. He plays a role of a stumbling block, nothing else.
351 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:32:47am |
re: #348 Killgore Trout
CSM on the journalistic ethics of Rev. Al
Trayvon Martin: With call for sanctions, is Al Sharpton crossing a line?
One gets the feeling that Sharpton's critics have never seen Fox News before.
(And in any case, Sharpton wasn't hired as a journalist anyway, I'm pretty sure!)
352 | Kronocide Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:37:57am |
New RW Meme: Piers Morgan 'destroys' Toure.
Suddenly Piers Morgan is BFF with Piers. Funny.
353 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:41:18am |
Oh this is hilarious. I've been Tweeting this:
@DLoesch Love your tweets tonight! See you soon.— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) March 31, 2012
Look at what I just came across:
I'm leaving Twitter. Maybe permanently.— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) April 1, 2012
April Fools? I doubt it. I'm sure he's caught some heat for that first Tweet.
354 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:41:35am |
355 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:42:16am |
re: #350 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Given that the TM story went big without any input from Sharpton, he should STFU. He plays a role of a stumbling block, nothing else.
Pretty much. I think he's a dope and probably counterproductive even without the journalistic ethics debate. It is an interesting question about how much journalists should be involved in the stories the cover but I think it's a trend that's here to stay. Fox promoted the Tea Party, some news outlets were careful about their reporters assisting and covering OWS but others weren't.
I don;t think activist journalism is a very good idea but it's a trend that's here to stay for a while.
356 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:43:07am |
re: #351 Shvaughn
One gets the feeling that Sharpton's critics have never seen Fox News before.
(And in any case, Sharpton wasn't hired as a journalist anyway, I'm pretty sure!)
The article does discuss Fox as part of the trend.
357 | Charles Johnson Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:43:21am |
re: #352 Kronocide
New RW Meme: Piers Morgan 'destroys' Toure.
Suddenly Piers Morgan is BFF with Piers. Funny.
When a right winger has a confrontation with a left winger, it simply doesn't matter how humiliatingly bad the right winger behaves, or who actually "wins" the debate -- the wingnut audience will invariably start hooting and gibbering that the left winger was "destroyed," "crushed," "smacked down," etc. etc.
358 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:44:08am |
re: #351 Shvaughn
One gets the feeling that Sharpton's critics have never seen Fox News before.
(And in any case, Sharpton wasn't hired as a journalist anyway, I'm pretty sure!)
Seriously:
some are concerned that the new phenomenon of personality-driven news activism is inappropriate and could affect innocent bystanders.
New phenomenon?
Who, exactly, be those "some?" Hannity, Huckabee, and Palin, perchance? How about Joe the Plumber?
359 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:45:49am |
re: #358 Talking Point Detective
Seriously:
New phenomenon?
Who, exactly, be those "some?" Hannity, Huckabee, and Palin, perchance? How about Joe the Plumber
Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs...
But yeah. Suddenly Al Sharpton is "unheard of" and "would have been unheard of 20 years ago!" What?
360 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:47:27am |
re: #359 Gus
Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs...
But yeah. Suddenly Al Sharpton is "unheard of" and "would have been unheard of 20 years ago!" What?
When an outspoken black man does it, it's awful! It's racial! It's inflaming racial tensions!
361 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:47:41am |
re: #355 Killgore Trout
I don;t think activist journalism is a very good idea but it's a trend that's here to stay for a while.
Do you think all journalists/loudmouths/median figures should be "silenced," or just Sharpton? How about Limbaugh? What makes Sharpton a "journalist" more than Limbaugh?
362 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:48:41am |
re: #361 Talking Point Detective
Do you think all journalists/loudmouths/median figures should be "silenced," or just Sharpton? How about Limbaugh? What makes Sharpton a "journalist" more than Limbaugh?
Maybe Killgore will start a campaign to get Sharpton's sponsors to drop him.
//
363 | jaunte Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:49:15am |
re: #325 Obdicut
Are there people who are so clueless they don't believe white privilege exists?
Piers Morgan gave a good representation of the mindset when he had
Toure´on.
364 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:50:30am |
re: #355 Killgore Trout
Pretty much. I think he's a dope and probably counterproductive even without the journalistic ethics debate. It is an interesting question about how much journalists should be involved in the stories the cover but I think it's a trend that's here to stay. Fox promoted the Tea Party, some news outlets were careful about their reporters assisting and covering OWS but others weren't.
I don;t think activist journalism is a very good idea but it's a trend that's here to stay for a while.
If you don't like to hear what Al Sharpton has to say then change the channel. Right?
365 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:51:03am |
re: #359 Gus
Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs...
But yeah. Suddenly Al Sharpton is "unheard of" and "would have been unheard of 20 years ago!" What?
I like the clip of Hannity speaking about people deciding on the case before the facts are in - because it amounts to race-baiting and stoking the fires of racial animosity.
Can't remember if that was before or after he detailed the unverified claims of Zimmerman's father about the events, and played Zimmerman's "concern" about Obama's "hatred."
366 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:52:20am |
re: #364 Gus
If you don't like to hear what Al Sharpton has to say then change the channel. Right?
Right. I don't think it's a helpful trend in journalism so I tend to avoid it.
367 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:53:33am |
re: #363 jaunte
Piers Morgan gave a good representation of the mindset when he had
Toure´on.
Piers Morgan is a complete asshole.
368 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:54:00am |
re: #366 Killgore Trout
Right. I don't think it's a helpful trend in journalism so I tend to avoid it.
Everyone turns to alarmism these day. It's a trend but compared to days gone by it's rather civilized. Just take a quick look back to William Randolph Hearst.
369 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:54:03am |
re: #365 Talking Point Detective
I like the clip of Hannity speaking about people deciding on the case before the facts are in - because it amounts to race-baiting and stoking the fires of racial animosity.
Can't remember if that was before or after he detailed the unverified claims of Zimmerman's father about the events, and played Zimmerman's "concern" about Obama's "hatred."
Oh, and lest I forget, this was the same segment where they talked about the librul press and Congresspeople race-baiting, and then played a tape of someone from the NBPP - as if that were a member of the librul media and/or Congress speaking.
370 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:54:20am |
Me: Sharpton needs to STFU.
Killgore: pretty much.
Question to Killgore: does Limbaugh need to STFU?
371 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:54:34am |
re: #362 Shvaughn
Maybe Killgore will start a campaign to get Sharpton's sponsors to drop him.
//
I'll only boycott if Fox and the Heritage foundation start a viral internet campaign under the false pretext that it's a grass roots effort.
/
372 | jaunte Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:54:40am |
re: #367 Obdicut
Question I wish I'd asked Robert Zimmerman: "You claim Trayvon tried to grab George's concealed gun. How did he KNOW George had a gun?"
— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) April 1, 2012
No kidding. So Touré was right, it was a softball interview.
373 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:54:52am |
re: #370 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Me: Sharpton needs to STFU.
Killgore: pretty much.
Question to Killgore: does Limbaugh need to STFU?
You! STFU
//
374 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:55:03am |
re: #366 Killgore Trout
Right. I don't think it's a helpful trend in journalism so I tend to avoid it.
You tend to avoid it? How do you avoid something by focusing a lot of attention on it?
375 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:55:54am |
re: #370 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Question to Killgore: does Limbaugh need to STFU?
I don't really care either way.
376 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:57:19am |
re: #370 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Me: Sharpton needs to STFU.
Killgore: pretty much.
Question to Killgore: does Limbaugh need to STFU?
Why does Sharpton need to STFU, and in particular, as differentiated by Limbaugh?
Is there something to be gained by Sharpton SingTFU? Would something be different if he did? Less racial animosity, perhaps?
377 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:57:41am |
re: #374 Talking Point Detective
You tend to avoid it? How do you avoid something by focusing a lot of attention on it?
Because I find it an interesting trend in journalism. I avoid it by not watching his show or taking him seriously as a source for news and information.
378 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:58:13am |
re: #376 Talking Point Detective
Why does Sharpton need to STFU, and in particular, as differentiated by Limbaugh?
Is there something to be gained by Sharpton SingTFU? Would something be different if he did? Less racial animosity, perhaps?
That's my question to KT.
379 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:59:32am |
re: #375 Killgore Trout
I don't really care either way.
So you don't care about Limbaugh, but "pretty much" agree that Sharpton needs to STFU. Why?
380 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:59:35am |
re: #376 Talking Point Detective
Why does Sharpton need to STFU, and in particular, as differentiated by Limbaugh?
Is there something to be gained by Sharpton SingTFU? Would something be different if he did? Less racial animosity, perhaps?
I don't care if he shuts up either nor am I surprised that he's using his show to promote his causes. That's part of the reason MSNBC hired him so I'm not surprised by it at all.
381 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:00:52am |
Since this is a live thread: does anybody here beside Buck think that "fundie" is a bigoted word?
382 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:01:54am |
re: #377 Killgore Trout
Because I find it an interesting trend in journalism. I avoid it by not watching his show or taking him seriously as a source for news and information.
I'm trying to square this with focusing a lot of attention on the how "the media" stokes racial animosity. You did say something to that effect, did you not? And you do focus a lot of attention on it, don't you?
I'm not defending anything specific that Sharpton has said or done. I'm asking why you're in bed with the frightwing on this whole "the media/Shartpon is race-baiting" meme.
383 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:02:08am |
re: #379 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
So you don't care about Limbaugh, but "pretty much" agree that Sharpton needs to STFU. Why?
I don't think Sharpton should be silenced. I thinks he's unhelpful, as is Rush, but I'm not surprised to see either use their platforms to advocate for their causes.
384 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:03:07am |
Well:
Well, we are still friends, but she doesn't feel the same way.
:/
385 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:03:27am |
re: #381 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Since this is a live thread: does anybody here beside Buck think that "fundie" is a bigoted word?
Not here. If someone's called a fundie it's because they have warm and fuzzy feelings over the person. Hence, Bryan Fischer is a fundie. It also crosses religions and sects.
386 | jaunte Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:03:37am |
re: #381 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Is it a lefty fundie or a righty fundie?
387 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:04:20am |
re: #384 ProGunLiberal
Is more often the result than not. Take it in stride. A limited amount of listening to maudlin songs from the '80s is allowed.
388 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:04:54am |
re: #386 jaunte
Is it a lefty fundie or a righty fundie?
1. Just fundie, of any political or (non)-religious persuasion.
2. A Christian Right Biblical fundamentalist.
389 | Digital Display Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:05:10am |
I want what every American wants.. preferential treatment
/Homer Simpson
390 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:05:36am |
re: #381 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Since this is a live thread: does anybody here beside Buck think that "fundie" is a bigoted word?
It's used as a basically undifferentiated derogatory characterization. Is someone like Jim Wallis, or other liberal evangelicals a fundie?
391 | jaunte Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:05:44am |
re: #388 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Sounds like a stretch for the victim's mantle.
392 | Kronocide Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:05:49am |
re: #381 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Since this is a live thread: does anybody here beside Buck think that "fundie" is a bigoted word?
Nope.
393 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:06:52am |
re: #381 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Since this is a live thread: does anybody here beside Buck think that "fundie" is a bigoted word?
That's an interesting question with no solid answer. I've used it here plenty of times myself along with moonbat, wingnut, etc. I've stopped using it as much as the atmosphere here has changed because I'm a little uncomfortable with the tone of how others have used it which does on occasion go a little too far for my taste.
394 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:07:03am |
re: #390 Talking Point Detective
It's used as a basically undifferentiated derogatory characterization. Is someone like Jim Wallis, or other liberal evangelicals a fundie?
Don't really know him. But I would guess anything religiously "liberal" is not "fundie".
395 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:08:05am |
re: #393 Killgore Trout
The tone, or the choice of subjects? (I.e., wrong use.)
396 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:08:11am |
re: #383 Killgore Trout
I don't think Sharpton should be silenced. I thinks he's unhelpful, as is Rush, but I'm not surprised to see either use their platforms to advocate for their causes.
So, you're making a distinction between him SingTFU and him being silenced - I guess the distinction relating to the passive/active aspect of the verb choice?
Is boycotting Limbaugh, or lobbying to get him off the air, really "silencing" him? Would you expect that Limbaugh would stop speaking should such efforts be successful (which we all know they won't be)?
397 | Kronocide Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:08:44am |
Is 'liberal' a pejorative? 'Right Winger?'
Buck is grasping.
398 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:09:22am |
re: #393 Killgore Trout
That's an interesting question with no solid answer. I've used it here plenty of times myself along with moonbat, wingnut, etc. I've stopped using it as much as the atmosphere here has changed because I'm a little uncomfortable with the tone of how others have used it which does on occasion go a little too far for my taste.
Funny.
399 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:09:50am |
Moonbat and wingnut are pejorative, but not bigoted.
400 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:10:45am |
re: #387 Obdicut
And this is where my hearing of anecdotal stories about Autism and my love for Statistics produces a problem.
I know Autistics, because we are awkward, are often... eliminated in terms of being seen as relationship material. Also, a poll came out 3-4 years ago showing that only 36% of Americans would approve their child marrying a Muslim.
In my mind, this creates an unhealthy storm. My behavior patterns of usually staying away from gatherings of more than 20ish people exacerbates the issue. Because I'm Hyper-Sensitive, I get Sensory overload real easy. And I will never use the Internet for something like relationships.
401 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:10:59am |
Yeah. The atmosphere has changed. We're no longer "peeing on Korans" nor are we calling Islam the "ROP" amongst other things. Boo hoo it's so mean in here now. Not.
402 | Mich-again Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:12:37am |
A real "fundie" would not get offended or angry over being called names. It is made clear in the Bible both OT and NT that the faithful will be scorned and ridiculed and that the road will not be easy for them.
403 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:13:12am |
Islamic fundies.
Christian fundies.
Yes, there are atheist fundies too (Madalyn Murray O'Hair).
Not bigoted, as far as I'm concerned.
404 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:13:26am |
re: #400 ProGunLiberal
Think of it this way: most people without autism have difficulty finding the right person. They may find a person, but, after living with them, they find out they're just not suited for each other. So over and over, people have relationships that go deep, and then end. Sometimes it's entirely pleasant, more often it's at least somewhat painful.
With you, since you'll have to find a woman who will understand and accept the way autism will affect your socialization, you're half-way there. You might find it harder to find a woman, but you might find her easier to keep, if she's willing to take the plunge and go out with you in the first place.
405 | blueraven Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:13:52am |
re: #348 Killgore Trout
CSM on the journalistic ethics of Rev. Al
Trayvon Martin: With call for sanctions, is Al Sharpton crossing a line?
I am not happy about activists as news show host. Even as an opinion show. But then there is Fox promoting the tea party and basically acting as hosts for rallies.
It is much wider than Al Sharpton.
406 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:13:55am |
re: #395 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
The tone, or the choice of subjects? (I.e., wrong use.)
I think it's more a matter of tone and general focus. In a "free for all" atmosphere, where Muslims and christians, left and right, all get their turn at being bashed I'm pretty comfortable with it. But when the standards are applied unevenly it takes on a more biased tone to me and starts to appear hateful to me.
407 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:14:27am |
re: #394 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Don't really know him. But I would guess anything religiously "liberal" is not "fundie".
Generally, I'd say that is true. The third dictionary definition of fundamentalism (note, I'm a descriptivist, not a proscriptivist) is:
3. strict adherence to the fundamental principles of any set of beliefs
In that sense, using it selectively in a derogatory manner, I think would imply bigotry - singling some people out negatively among the entire set of people who fit the categorization.
But given the common usage - that's a huge stretch?
408 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:14:44am |
re: #406 Killgore Trout
So you weren't using it when it was an anti-Muslim blog?
409 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:14:59am |
re: #408 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
So you weren't using it when it was an anti-Muslim blog?
:O
410 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:15:13am |
re: #408 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
So you weren't using it when it was an anti-Muslim blog?
He used to say ROP all the time.
411 | Renaissance_Man Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:16:22am |
re: #384 ProGunLiberal
Well:
Well, we are still friends, but she doesn't feel the same way.
:/
Probably the first girl I felt seriously about rejected me in much the same way. If a girl decides you are a 'friend' initially, it is very difficult to change her mind without changing the circumstances significantly.
In my case, I hooked up with a couple of her friends in the next month or so and took them home. That got her interested, and we were together about a year.
412 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:16:38am |
re: #406 Killgore Trout
Wouldn't the relative merits of those groups matter at all? That way, your standards can remain consistent, but the groups that contain more extreme views will naturally come under fire more.
In fact, if all groups came in for an equal amount of crap, it'd be an obvious sign that standards weren't being applied, other than the obviously-farcical standard of standing in the exact middle of any argument.
413 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:17:19am |
re: #401 Gus
Yeah. The atmosphere has changed. We're no longer "peeing on Korans" nor are we calling Islam the "ROP" amongst other things. Boo hoo it's so mean in here now. Not.
Even back in the day I have always been supportive of blasphemy, desecrating Qurans, peeing on crosses and burning flags. I even told the story of helping a friend in college with her theater project in which a baby Jesus doll was crucified with a staple gun. Watching people leave the theater was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
414 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:18:44am |
re: #413 Killgore Trout
Even back in the day I have always been supportive of blasphemy, desecrating Qurans, peeing on crosses and burning flags. I even told the story of helping a friend in college with her theater project in which a baby Jesus doll was crucified with a staple gun. Watching people leave the theater was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
Yeah. I know. You're wording all of this to make yourself look superior to everyone else here. So you were OK using "fundie" back when this place was crawling with wingnuts but now that the "atmosphere has changed" at LGF you're not OK with using it. I'm a little confused by this assessment.
415 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:19:03am |
re: #404 Obdicut
And logically, I know that. It's just the emotional perception seem so, so much harder, especially because I'm a small group sort of personality, which also cuts into the number of people I will meet over time.
As well as the fact that I will know damn near no one in the area of North Denver/FOCO when I go back. Yes, I know many at OU, but I won't stay here. I fear what will happen to a Liberal in Blood-Red Oklahoma if Obama wins the election.
What you are saying logically makes sense, but emotionally, it seems very much harder.
416 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:19:21am |
re: #410 Gus
He used to say ROP all the time.
I wish I still could. It's would make me feel more comfortable using Fundie.
417 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:19:43am |
re: #370 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Me: Sharpton needs to STFU.
Killgore: pretty much.
Question to Killgore: does Limbaugh need to STFU?
I think you're wrong about Sharpton needing to STFU.
418 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:19:46am |
re: #407 Talking Point Detective
In that sense, using it selectively in a derogatory manner, I think would imply bigotry - singling some people out negatively among the entire set of people who fit the categorization.
I ... don't get the meaning of this sentence. Can you illustrate with an example?
419 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:20:11am |
re: #416 Killgore Trout
I wish I still could. It's would make me feel more comfortable using Fundie.
Fundie is not a blanket condemnation of a religion. ROP is a blanket condemnation of Islam.
420 | Interesting Times Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:20:27am |
re: #412 Obdicut
In fact, if all groups came in for an equal amount of crap, it'd be an obvious sign that standards weren't being applied, other than the obviously-farcical standard of standing in the exact middle of any argument.
Some say the Holocaust never happen, some say it did. Obviously, the truth lies in the middle.
421 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:20:35am |
re: #417 Shvaughn
I think you're wrong about Sharpton needing to STFU.
I think I'm not. Agree to disagree? ;)
422 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:20:55am |
re: #412 Obdicut
I should say, the groups that contain more extreme views and are actually relevant to the group. I.e. I don't really expect people living in Lithuania to care deeply about what fundamentalist Orthodox Jews are doing in Israel, and , in fact, if they are super-interested in it, it'd make me think they might have other reasons for it.
423 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:21:44am |
re: #416 Killgore Trout
Fundie is not really religion-specific. Yes, by default in the US it's the extreme Christian Right. But add a modifier, and you get an Islamic fundie and whatnot.
424 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:23:31am |
re: #423 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Fundie is not really religion-specific. Yes, by default in the US it's the extreme Christian Right. But add a modifier, and you get an Islamic fundie and whatnot.
Agreed, it could easily be adapted to apply to all sorts of fundamentalists but in general usage it's applied to Christian, not Muslims.
426 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:25:07am |
re: #424 Killgore Trout
Agreed, it could easily be adapted to apply to all sorts of fundamentalists but in general usage it's applied to Christian, not Muslims.
Yes, and if you're too lazy to type a modifier, there's always "Islamist". Again, I don't see why you long for the return of "RoP", since it's so general.
427 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:25:19am |
re: #424 Killgore Trout
That's probably because we live in a country where Christian fundamentalists wield a lot of power and form a large part of our society, and fundamentalists from other religions have barely any influence?
428 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:25:22am |
429 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:25:33am |
re: #425 Shvaughn
I'm new. What's ROP?
Religion of peace. Sometimes used as "religion of pieces." Used to describe Islam during the heyday of the BUSH GWOT.
430 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:25:47am |
re: #421 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
I think I'm not. Agree to disagree? ;)
Every talking head on every channel is talking about Trayvon. Does Sharpton need to shut up because he's black?
431 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:25:54am |
re: #425 Shvaughn
I'm new. What's ROP?
Satirical acronym for Religion of Peace used to describe Islamic terrorists.
432 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:26:18am |
So if a terrorist act took place somewhere around the world someone would announce it by saying: "Looks like the ROP has struck again!"
433 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:26:26am |
re: #430 Shvaughn
Every talking head on every channel is talking about Trayvon. Does Sharpton need to shut up because he's black?
End of discussion, sorry.
434 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:26:36am |
re: #429 Gus
Religion of peace. Sometimes used as "religion of pieces." Used to describe Islam during the heyday of the BUSH GWOT.
You guys used to do that? Oh right, this used to be a real creepy right-wing asshole blog, wasn't it?
435 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:26:50am |
re: #431 Killgore Trout
Satirical acronym for Religion of Peace used to describe Islamic terrorists.
Satirical!
436 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:27:16am |
437 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:28:00am |
re: #431 Killgore Trout
From the old LGF FAQ:
ROP - The Religion of Peace -- a reference to George W. Bush's famous post-9/11 declaration that Islam is a "religion of peace." ROP is generally used as a substitute for the word "Islam," though it can also refer to Muslims in general. ROP can also be used as an adjective, though this usage is less common. In all cases, use of the term ROP indicates either distaste for Islamic beliefs and practices, or derisive mockery of the PC attitudes (as embodied by Bush) that spawned the phrase "religion of peace"; or both simultaneously (e.g. "The ROP claims another victim").
I see you're not a reliable source for this kind of thing.
438 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:28:54am |
re: #427 Obdicut
That's probably because we live in a country where Christian fundamentalists wield a lot of power and form a large part of our society, and fundamentalists from other religions have barely any influence?
Agreed. If creationism finds its way into school cirriculums it's going to come from the religious right, not the Islamists. However in the UK resistance to teaching evolution in schools comes from the Muslim students more than the Christian ones (See Dawkins about this). I see no reason to avoid criticism of either group.
439 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:29:13am |
re: #418 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
I ... don't get the meaning of this sentence. Can you illustrate with an example?
If someone uses the word, selectively, to negatively characterize one group even when the word actually applies to lots of groups, I think it is, in effect, a term of bigotry.
Someone who uses fundamentalist, negatively, to characterize Muslims but calls other people devout Christians. Or someone uses it negatively to describe some Christians as rigid and autocratic in their beliefs but not to describe Jews who might fit the same description.
I think that in general usage, it refers specifically to Christians (the first definition), and so it is a descriptive term, not inherently singling out one subset of a larger set with a negative connotation for that groups specifically.
But in Buck's view, I would guess, "fundamentalist" isn't being used descriptively, but to selectively (by libs) denigrate a particular subset.
440 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:29:25am |
re: #434 Shvaughn
You guys used to do that? Oh right, this used to be a real creepy right-wing asshole blog, wasn't it?
I'd have to look back at my old comments. I got here in late 2008 and by then the clean-up had already begun. It wasn't that bad compared to other blogs.
441 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:29:34am |
442 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:32:14am |
"Fundie" is a slightly derogatory word for fundamentalists but doesn't strike me as inherently bigoted.
443 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:32:29am |
re: #438 Killgore Trout
But nobody's talking about avoiding criticism of either group, are they? We're pointing out that a rational standard of being worried about fundamentalists actually have an effect on things here in the US naturally leads us to talk about Christian fundamentalism, since other forms of fundamentalism aren't very powerful here.
So it makes no sense, at all, to judge the use of the word 'fundie' as being somehow tainted by misuse.
444 | blueraven Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:32:57am |
re: #430 Shvaughn
Every talking head on every channel is talking about Trayvon. Does Sharpton need to shut up because he's black?
That's a really unfair assumption.
Also, yes everyone is talking about the case, but Al Sharpton is marching, leading ralllies and is an active participant. He is the news.
He can do one or the other; be an activist, or be a newsman. Do both and you are fair game for criticism.
445 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:33:01am |
re: #439 Talking Point Detective
Oh, OK. I disagree that bigotry stems only from the selective use of *one* term. One may have different equal negative terms for different groups - then it's should not be bigoted.
446 | abolitionist Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:33:07am |
re: #381 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Since this is a live thread: does anybody here beside Buck think that "fundie" is a bigoted word?
It's a 2-syllable contraction for a 5-syllable word, and perjorative, perhaps, but not necessarily bigoted, IMO.
447 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:34:15am |
re: #446 abolitionist
Oh, it is certainly pejorative. Like "moonbat" or "wingnut".
448 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:35:18am |
"Fundamentalism" used to refer to highly conservative, super strict Muslims (or Buddhists or other people) is a drifted use of the term fundamentalism, an analogy to Christian fundamentalists. Because originally, "fundamentalist" meant specific adherence to a Christian ideology that identified specific "fundamentals" of the faith as being absolute, uncompromisable beliefs.
450 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:35:59am |
re: #434 Shvaughn
You guys used to do that? Oh right, this used to be a real creepy right-wing asshole blog, wasn't it?
No, but there were some creepy asshole members.
451 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:37:32am |
re: #447 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Oh, it is certainly pejorative. Like "moonbat" or "wingnut".
It's better than being called an asshole.
//
452 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:38:32am |
re: #451 Gus
It's better than being called an asshole.
//
What's bad about 'asshole'? It's just a hole in a donkey, right? /
453 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:38:49am |
re: #445 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Oh, OK. I disagree that bigotry stems only from the selective use of *one* term. One may have different equal negative terms for different groups - then it's should not be bigoted.
Sure - but again, I'm a descriptivist. As such, I think in a sense Buck may have a point. If someone calls someone else a fundamentalist, with a clearly negative connotation applied (rigid, autocratic) - without specifying (Christian fundamentalist, Islamic fundamentalist), someone on the other end would perceive it as bigoted.
I think that terms like "bigoted" or "racist" have a large subjective component. People like to hide behind that subjectivity to miss the point. For that reason, I think it's better to err on the side of being very specific with language than argue with people about a proscriptive evaluation of what is "correct."
454 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:39:58am |
re: #438 Killgore Trout
Agreed. If creationism finds its way into school cirriculums it's going to come from the religious right, not the Islamists. However in the UK resistance to teaching evolution in schools comes from the Muslim students more than the Christian ones (See Dawkins about this). I see no reason to avoid criticism of either group.
Creationism comes from whoever has the clout. In Turkey it comes from Muslims (not just Islamists). If they were the majority in the USA you can be sure it would come from them also.
455 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:40:25am |
re: #446 abolitionist
It's a 2-syllable contraction for a 5-syllable word, and perjorative, perhaps, but not necessarily bigoted, IMO.
I agree that it isn't necessarily bigoted. I'm questioning whether it might not legitimately be considered such with some usage.
456 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:40:31am |
re: #453 Talking Point Detective
Not everything insulting or pejorative is bigoted, though. At all. Which is the assumption you're operating on. As long as what the person means by fundie isn't bigoted, it's just a potentially insulting bit of shorthand.
457 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:40:47am |
re: #453 Talking Point Detective
Wait, how does specifying help? (In fact, Buck's initial outrage was because I was very specific about "Christian" apologetics.)
458 | Gus Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:41:38am |
re: #457 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Wait, how does specifying help? (In fact, Buck's initial outrage was because I was very specific about "Christian" apologetics.)
Who are about as fundie as you can get.
459 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:42:02am |
re: #456 Obdicut
Which is the assumption you're operating on.
Not really. Maybe I haven't explained clearly.
As long as what the person means by fundie isn't bigoted, it's just a potentially insulting bit of shorthand.
That's what I've been suggesting.
460 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:45:02am |
re: #459 Talking Point Detective
Yeah, I didn't get that from what you said at all.
461 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:46:15am |
re: #457 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Wait, how does specifying help? (In fact, Buck's initial outrage was because I was very specific about "Christian" apologetics.)
Yeah - it's interesting how you and I were tracking in opposite directions from the single point that it can be used for different groups.
I think that the term "Christian fundamentalist" is a descriptive term. To view that as bigoted, I would say, is more from Buck's biased perception. However, if someone uses the term "fundie," in a derogatory manner to characterize a group of people, without specifying what distinguishes that group from other groups that share the defining characteristics of fundamentalism (in the third definition), then it could be construed as a bigoted term. Still - that's a stretch, because of general usage.
462 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:47:03am |
463 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:51:39am |
re: #451 Gus
It's better than being called an asshole.
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This is what has me scratching my head about KT. I think of him as, bascially, Mr. Moonbat/Mr. Wingnut.
Maybe that's because he started calling me a moonbat a while back based on a complete misunderstanding of my argument (and a lack of diligence in figuring out what I was saying).
So for him to then be "outraged" about over-the-top political rhetoric seems odd to me - particularly when it seems, sometimes, to be applied selectively.
464 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:58:13am |
re: #463 Talking Point Detective
This is what has me scratching my head about KT. I think of him as, bascially, Mr. Moonbat/Mr. Wingnut.
Maybe that's because he started calling me a moonbat a while back based on a complete misunderstanding of my argument (and a lack of diligence in figuring out what I was saying).
So for him to then be "outraged" about over-the-top political rhetoric seems odd to me - particularly when it seems, sometimes, to be applied selectively.
I'm not outraged and I'm not telling anybody else what words they should or shouldn't use. I'm just talking about my personal comfort level regarding the term "fundie" here. I've dropped it from my vocabulary (more or less) but I'm not suggesting that other people should.
465 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:58:21am |
re: #463 Talking Point Detective
So for him to then be "outraged" about over-the-top political rhetoric seems odd to me - particularly when it seems, sometimes, to be applied selectively.
Outrageous outrage strikes again!
466 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:04:57pm |
re: #464 Killgore Trout
I'm not outraged and I'm not telling anybody else what words they should or shouldn't use. I'm just talking about my personal comfort level regarding the term "fundie" here. I've dropped it from my vocabulary (more or less) but I'm not suggesting that other people should.
I can get behind that. I think that "moonbat" and "wingnut" would just as well be left out, also. Also "denier." Not to say that I am pretending that I'll ever actually get to the point of being that careful across the board in a fully uniform manner. I applaud moving away from those terms - I'm noting that you seem to apply similar terms rather liberally at times - in fact, you seem intent on deliberately seeking out phenomena that you can characterize with those terms sometimes, and in my view, conflating distinct phenomena in doing so.
467 | Interesting Times Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:14:58pm |
re: #466 Talking Point Detective
I can get behind that. I think that "moonbat" and "wingnut" would just as well be left out, also. Also "denier."
Does that mean you also object to the term "holocaust denier"?
468 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:15:16pm |
re: #466 Talking Point Detective
I can get behind that. I think that "moonbat" and "wingnut" would just as well be left out, also. Also "denier." Not to say that I am pretending that I'll ever actually get to the point of being that careful across the board in a fully uniform manner. I applaud moving away from those terms - I'm noting that you seem to apply similar terms rather liberally at times - in fact, you seem intent on deliberately seeking out phenomena that you can characterize with those terms sometimes, and in my view, conflating distinct phenomena in doing so.
Ah, I think I spotted our difference here. I'm for including all of them, RoP, Fundie, Moonbat, Wingnut, etc. However I can see you point about moving away from those terms in general could be helpful but I still prefer keeping them and using them all liberally (no pun intended) as long as they don't become a source for hate and bigotry. I think it's better if everybody can take a bashing and accept their own side is open to insults, and possibly even deserves them.
469 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:25:54pm |
re: #432 Gus
So if a terrorist act took place somewhere around the world someone would announce it by saying: "Looks like the ROP has struck again!"
Never used it, never liked it. I do understand where the usage came from, though. Immediately post-911, there were a lot of people being asked to explain Islam in a big hurry in the media, and a lot of them seemed to settle on explaining that Islam was 'a religion of peace'.
It was, perhaps, not the best soundbite to use on a mostly non-Muslim nation that had just been hit hard by a group of terrorists who had not gotten that memo. Some people reacted satirically and bitterly.
470 | Interesting Times Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:26:33pm |
It's scary to think some people are incapable of distinguishing genuine hate-speech from the rightful calling out of specific bad behaviors and destructive policies.
Global warming deniers are putting billions of lives in jeopardy - FACT. GOP misogynists are taking rights away from women - FACT. And the malevolent wingnut Prime Minister that Canadians are currently cursed with is trying to ram through an austerity budget that guts environmental research, raises the retirement age, and makes it easier for oil companies to bypass environmental review.
No way am I going to let them get away with covering this up by hiding behind false equivalence and convenient propriety.
471 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:35:23pm |
re: #468 Killgore Trout
Ah, I think I spotted our difference here. I'm for including all of them, RoP, Fundie, Moonbat, Wingnut, etc. However I can see you point about moving away from those terms in general could be helpful but I still prefer keeping them and using them all liberally (no pun intended) as long as they don't become a source for hate and bigotry. I think it's better if everybody can take a bashing and accept their own side is open to insults, and possibly even deserves them.
More often than not, those terms imply facile thinking. Using them is generally a rationalization for self-serving partisanship (or an agenda). I don't find them "outrageous," or something to be banned.
I don't take them to heart when they're applied to me because in my view, their usage against me reveals shallowness on the part of the user. I don't feel insulted when someone calls me a "moonbat," or a "warmist," or a "socialist," or even more amusingly, characterize me personally based on such a facile generalization - in particular by someone on the Internet who has never met me, talked to me in person about anything, etc. I don't see how you can see them as distinct from advancing hatred and bigotry.
I have no power to change the reality of whether they will be kept. I do have power over whether I use them, and over expressing my views on their usage.
Should other people not take their usage personally? Sure. It's hard to take outrage seriously from someone who characterizes other people with the same facile thinking. In my view, it misses the larger realities about how we all reason in the face of controversy.
I'm still going to go back to you, however, to point to the inconsistencies in what I see in how you deal with these issues. I always welcome similar scrutiny, and will say up front that I won't always be open to it initially but work hard at coming around long term.
472 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:36:19pm |
re: #381 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
Since this is a live thread: does anybody here beside Buck think that "fundie" is a bigoted word?
I'm late to the party, but I don't think it is. It's a descriptor that I use it for all fundamentalists, including Muslims.
473 | Talking Point Detective Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:40:50pm |
re: #469 SanFranciscoZionist
Some people reacted satirically and bitterly.
That's generous - and I don't doubt applies in some cases. And such a satiric comment on an unsophisticated view of some Islamic fundamentalism is appropriate.
On the other hand,at other times RoP, and in particular how it was used here for years, was an expression of bigotry. I don't think that you were suggesting otherwise - just noting that for me the aspect of bigotry is important to point to explicitly.
474 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:43:52pm |
re: #472 CuriousLurker
I'm late to the party, but I don't think it is. It's a descriptor that I use it for all fundamentalists, including Muslims.
Addendum: IMO, a term only becomes bigoted/insulting when it's used in a way that singles out a particular group: RoP, Bible thumper, etc. I don't like them and I don't use them.
Also , no one seems to be mentioning the second part that was usually included with RoP, which was RoPMA (religion of peace my ass), which makes it considerably more snarky, especially when used by people known to be hostile to Islam.
475 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:13:47pm |
re: #473 Talking Point Detective
That's generous - and I don't doubt applies in some cases. And such a satiric comment on an unsophisticated view of some Islamic fundamentalism is appropriate.
On the other hand,at other times RoP, and in particular how it was used here for years, was an expression of bigotry. I don't think that you were suggesting otherwise - just noting that for me the aspect of bigotry is important to point to explicitly.
No, it was bigoted, and self-congratulatory, and deeply obnoxious, as it came to be used. And using it was based on believing, not that the talking heads were being ineffective as they tried to communicate, (using, I think, a script that they had been using before 9/11, and that worked better then) but that the talking heads were lying, and that what had happened was a complete reflection of normative Islam.
But even I recall thinking, in those early days, "You know, if one more of these guys says 'religion of peace', and then explains helpfully that the root word of Islam MEANS peace, I'm going to put my foot through the screen." I was also fond of commenting that Jainism is a religion of peace, as is whatever the noun form of being Amish is, and I don't know as a lot of other people qualify.
476 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 1, 2012 1:22:57pm |
re: #475 SanFranciscoZionist
As far as I'm concerned, no religion is a religion of peace. Or of war. It's just simplistic to call them such.
But if KT thinks this term is not bigoted, he's welcome to use it. If he can defend the use, that is.
477 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 1, 2012 2:07:06pm |
re: #476 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)
As far as I'm concerned, no religion is a religion of peace. Or of war. It's just simplistic to call them such.
But if KT thinks this term is not bigoted, he's welcome to use it. If he can defend the use, that is.
I don't even know what you guys are fighting about now, but have at it. Something about Westboro Baptists, and pearls?