Breitbart Editor Meredith Dake: A Note on Comments

Stimulating camaraderie
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Today, breitbart.com “editor” Meredith Dake has A Note on Comments, and it’s pretty funny.

Over the past month, we’ve monitored how our readers have responded to the new comment format, and how our new comment system has served our site and our vast readership. We’ve also monitored how the hordes of trolls manage the new system, and have been developing new safeguards based on a month of monitoring their behavior.

“New safeguards?” You mean, like reading them? It’s kind of hard to miss the N word, or comments about chimps and gorillas and silverbacks and “nig-nogs” — they sort of jump right out at you.

We appreciate your feedback and your patience in working with a new system over the past month. Hopefully, you will see the improvements that we are already seeing with our changes, and we will continue to monitor your feedback—as well as the IP addresses of trolls that try to flood our system.

The trolls! They’re everywhere! I’m not sure how they can distinguish trolls from their regular commenters, but when you’re making excuses, “troll” is always good.

We very much appreciate those of you who have pointed out comments that are inappropriate and threads that have been ambushed by trolls. Because of the popularity of some of our posts, infusions of offensive comments — mostly from posters using IP anonymizers and other ways to hide their identity — have been making their way onto our site. We want our comment section to be a place of camaraderie and stimulating debate, and we’re continuing to modify our comment settings to ensure that happens.

Camaraderie, stimulating debate, and constant gutter hatred directed at liberals, President Obama, Michelle Obama, and every African American spokesperson they post about. Stimulating! But of course, it’s those “trolls” with their IP anonymizers that are doing it.

Some of those who are desperate for the Breitbart sites to be silenced spend their entire weekends (and weekdays) devoted to the trolls in our comment section. That’s right, not the posts, the comments. Often, within minutes of these shut-ins pointing out inappropriate comments, another round of inspired, anonymous trolls spews their hatred in the same post.

Hey, that’s me she’s calling a “shut-in!” That makes me nostalgic for Andrew Breitbart — it was one of his favorite weird insults. Good to know that Meredith is carrying on the tradition.

But spending an “entire weekend?” Maybe it would take Meredith all weekend to do something like this, but those kinds of posts usually take me about 15-30 minutes at most. Of course, I know how to use some of these new-fangled computer-type tools like macros that switch windows and do the copying and pasting for me, but I wouldn’t expect the mini-Breits to know about those.

And “silencing” them is the last thing I want. It’s great that the right wing exposes themselves the way they do at breitbart.com, and I hope they continue doing it.

While we appreciate the feigned concern of our critics about the atmosphere of our comment sections—bless your hearts, go out and get some sunshine!

Meredith Dake’s concern for me is touching. But really, Meredith — I get plenty of sunshine and fresh air. Knowing how to use these new-fangled computer thingies can actually give you more free time, if you do it right.

But it’s good to know that there won’t be any more racist insanity, or hate speech, or hallucinatory paranoid conspiracy theories in the comments for the race-baiting articles at breitbart.com.

Oh, wait.

Plainly and simply Hussein Obama has violated his oath of office on multiple fronts. It is not just a platitude, it has legal import. Either way this pencil-necked Marxist is going down.

[…]

The ironic thing is that while racialist blacks are obsessing about the white devil and exploiting his “system”, the hispanic and asian demographics will eventually dominate. They are not as easily cowed as whites. What will the New Black Panthers do then, ally with “non-white” hispanics? LOL.

[…]

AmeriKan & British Blacks are 200% more likely to be SCHIZOPHRENIC, than whites. I have to believe that all you Dirtbaggers who are calling for a Race War ala, Chuckles Manson’s HEaLTER SKELTER, are of the same MIND? SICK, RABID DOGS!

[…]

Every black murder of an innocent is now Obama’s Fault..he has opened the flood gates of evil… Democrats did this by enabling and fomenting Black hatreds and their increasing murders of the innocents around them.

[…]

It’s not just guns! It’s total control. That’s why it’s totalitarian. They want control of your guns, your home, the energy you use, your healthcare, your church. These people are tyrants and are not above using violence to gain their ends.

[…]

I will tell you the plan for #5..
An Occupier or two, perhaps three have already been picked out in
battleground states..They will be Martyred by the Progressives..
If it does not happen by accident..it will happen..
The Progressives need the OCCUPIERS to attack..
They need an Occupier martyr..Get ready..

[…]

Move 5 is in the street violence, declare martial law and suspend U.S. elections.

[…]

He isn’t just a communist-he is also a Muslim and his goal is to destroy the country he hates.

[…]

Oh no wait. The New York Times referred to Zimmerman as a White Hispanic. So please do not refer to Obama as black. We all know he’s a White Black.

[…]

It’s all about having a vehicle now to start a race war, or try to anyway, if you think for one minute that this is not in the plans you had better get your heads out of the sand.

[…]

Certainly, the Kenyan Allende is desperate and will try almost anything. Considering that the usurper has come this far - why stop now?

[…]

I may seem like a Nazi but, in cases like this, the mother should be sterilized.

[…]

Call me a Christian nut, an evangelical, whatever you wish but what is occurring started far before the life of one man and it is supported by ne’er do wells, misfits, and succumbers to the evil pitfalls of this worldly life; namely the destruction of civilization via homosexualism, promiscuity, laziness, abortion, the defilement of women, children, and anything else non-Christian.

So called radicals are far more than a local political movement. They are the epitome of their namesake the AntiChrist and whether someone wishes to believe that or not matters not.

[…]

You are the Truth. The Final Prophecies are playing out. The antiChrist has its foot to the metal and ON Freedom’s throat…his political Elites and Unions broke our economy, lost our jobs and shove their tongues down into our childrens’ souls…better rise up…help Walker fight Recall…demand Voter ID…register voters as Republicans…and choose your side wisely.

Beware the Beasts’ Confusions. From over 125,000,000 dead infants torn from Mothers’ Wombs to the deadly Riots in the Street by blind and ignorant slaves of old…the AntiChrist means Business. 4 Supreme Court Justices have the Ginsbergian Disease…they are snakes in your babies’ bed linen.

It is time….we are all George Washington now, so please pray and prepare to battle Evil…it is an eternal fight. Nov6 Valley Forge II…Freedom: Pass it on…

Wow, now there’s some high quality stimulating camaraderie for you!

And now, if you’ll excuse me I’m going for a walk in the lovely sunshine.

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481 comments
1 darthstar  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:05:15pm

I want to be a shut in...but I'm not willing to visit a Breitbart site in order to do so.

3 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:08:47pm

Oh, they were just monitoring. So clever!

Clever, clever Breitbartian clowns.

4 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:11:32pm
And now, if you’ll excuse me I’m going for a walk in the lovely sunshine.

But I thought sunlight was deadly to trolls?
/kidding

5 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:13:30pm

How to Make Sriracha from Scratch

6 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:14:36pm

Ooh, a new one (for me)

the Kenyan Allende

7 prairiefire  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:16:26pm

Yes, a simple matter of an exercise of the eyeballs.

8 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:16:42pm

Its not a legit RWNJ comment thread until the anti-Christ makes an appearance.

9 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:18:24pm

re: #6 Hoodies for Justice. T

Wow, promoting a coup to create a Brutal Right Wing Dictatorship.

And people think I am irrational about being paranoid about how Republicans will act if Obama wins in November.

10 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:20:04pm

Trayvon and his GF

He is not a threatening person.

11 darthstar  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:20:28pm

I looked her up. She's kind of cute on the outside....but she's got enough ugly flowing out of her in tweets to make up for that.

12 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:21:05pm

re: #6 Hoodies for Justice. T

Ooh, a new one (for me)

the Kenyan Allende

Oh, they've been fetishizing Pinochet for some time now. That just squares the circle.

13 darthstar  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:22:24pm

I fuckin' hate ewoks...though they do look like they might be nice braised.

14 Talking Point Detective  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:22:34pm

Just admit that you wrote all those comments while you were shut-in, Charles. I'm sure that if you do, then they'll go easier on you when they offer proof for their accusations.

I mean they do have proof, right? They wouldn't make those kinds of accusations if they didn't have proof, would they? I mean that would be a cowardly and unaccountable thing to do. They aren't cowardly and unaccountable, are they?

15 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:23:31pm

Crawfish in a bucket alert:
Paul supporter gets yanked from Mittster event for reading from the Book of Mormon..

A Ron Paul supporter, 28-year-old Bret Hatch, asked Romney whether he agreed with a passage from the Book of Mormon that describes a cursing of people with a "skin of blackness." Romney's staff took away the microphone before the Green Bay man could read the passage.

"I'm sorry, we're just not going to have a discussion about religion in my view, but if you have a question I'll be happy to answer your question," Romney said Monday.

Hatch then asked whether Romney thought it was a sin for interracial couples to have children.

16 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:24:09pm

re: #2 Shvaughn

This report by the right-wing "National Association of Scholars" is the likely source for Santorum's lies about the University of California not teaching American History.

Santorum knows his audience, and he knows he doesn't need to tell the truth. So he's just repeating bizarre claims by the fringe groups that he relies on for his world view.

This is a guy who's in the pocket of the Discovery Institute. A deeply stupid man, talking to a deeply stupid audience of reactionaries.

17 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:26:00pm

re: #15 Mich-again

Crawfish in a bucket alert:
Paul supporter gets yanked from Mittster event for reading from the Book of Mormon..

Awwwwwkward...

18 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:27:18pm

re: #10 Hoodies for Justice. T

Trayvon and his GF

He is not a threatening person.

This one's cool:

Image: trayvonprompicture_0.png

19 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:28:36pm

Can someone run this through the Mitt translator?

"Most Americans, by the way, are carrying a burden of some kind. We don't see it. We see someone on the street, they smile and say hello, but behind them they're carrying kind of a bag of rocks," Romney said. "I want to help people. I want to lighten that burden."

Bag of rocks??

20 jaunte  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:28:42pm

re: #10 Hoodies for Justice. T

Be careful. He might be blah.

21 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:31:47pm

re: #19 Mich-again

Can someone run this through the Mitt translator?

Bag of rocks??

"I want to lighten that burden"

GIMME ALL YOUR ROCKS!

22 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:36:01pm

We'll be monitoring IP addresses however most of the comments are from trolls using IP anonymizers so we really won't know what the feck we're monitoring!

Derp! Sure, they're trolls alright. The same "trolls" that have been dropping their turds of hatred since the creating of Bretibart TV. This has been a well known fact of their readership for many years now.

23 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:41:33pm

re: #22 Gus

Derp! Sure, they're trolls alright. The same "trolls" that have been dropping their turds of hatred since the creating of Bretibart TV. This has been a well known fact of their readership for many years now.

Don't tell Meredith, but IP addresses are only one piece of data if you're trying to stop trolls, and usually not the most important one.

But the truth is, they're not really that interested in stopping trolls. Inciting racism and hatred is their business model. The only reason she even posted this is because they were embarrassed into it. If I hadn't shined a light on those comments, and the posts hadn't gone viral on Twitter and Facebook, they wouldn't even have blinked at them.

24 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:42:12pm

re: #10 Hoodies for Justice. T

Trayvon and his GF

He is not a threatening person.

When I think of how the right-wing has gone so far out of their way to discredit this young man and how they've created a profile of him that never existed born upon the need to feed their racist readership... No amount of cleaning up of their comments section as announced by their Stepford-Wingnut will change the true nature of their sites like Breitbart.com. The reason they get these comments is because it is a response one would expect from the explicit race-baiting and dog whistles being blown at Breitbart.com.

25 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:43:25pm

re: #18 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

This one's cool:

Image: trayvonprompicture_0.png

A life lost. For no reason whatsoever. That's what resonates. For nothing, but some dude's paranoia.

Check your paranoia America.

26 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:44:40pm

re: #25 Hoodies for Justice. T

A life lost. For no reason whatsoever. That's what resonates. For nothing, but some dude's paranoia.

Check your paranoia America.

By some lowlife that wasn't even a mall cop.

27 jaunte  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:48:15pm


You can just feel the fumes of camaraderie billowing up from her comments in that thread.

28 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:49:42pm
The claims are made in a forthcoming book by reporters Mike Allen and Evan Thomas, according to excerpts provided to the Republican-leaning Daily Caller website. The book is called “Inside the Circus,” and it aims at providing a behind-the-scenes look at the Republican presidential primaries.

The Texas governor’s drug use wasn’t just the cause of a single humorous, highly embarrassing moment, they add. In another instance, a rival campaign’s manager reportedly walked in on Perry while he was urinating… and singing “I’ve Been Working on the Railroad” at the top of his lungs.
I don’t want to denigrate anyone’s struggle with addiction, so I’m not going to touch that particular bit of this story with a ten-foot syringe. But peeing while singing “I’ve Been Working on the Railroad”? That is pure comedy. Also? Very Dubya-esque.

Re-elect him Texas, he was just high!

29 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:50:31pm

re: #26 Gus

By some lowlife that wasn't even a mall cop.

Oh, all you need is a gun and a license to carry. And a daddy-judge to help when the shit hits the fan.

30 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:52:00pm

Well, to be fair, maybe Meredith Dake is just really slow, we should have patience for the less mentally fortunate

the poor dear takes a weekend to do what someone of modest intelligence can do in minutes

31 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:52:07pm

re: #29 Hoodies for Justice. T

Oh, all you need is a gun and a license to carry. And a daddy-judge to help when the shit hits the fan.

I know. Do they even need to take an exam for that license? Are they tested? Are they required to maintain a level of hand gun proficiency over the year and take "continuing education" on hand gun safety and use?

32 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:53:14pm

I'm confused. Breibart sites seem to have an awful lot of editors, yet there is so little evidence of editing...

33 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:53:56pm

re: #28 Hoodies for Justice. T

In another instance, a rival campaign’s manager reportedly walked in on Perry while he was urinating… and singing “I’ve Been Working on the Railroad” at the top of his lungs.

I figured Perry was more of a Camptown Ladies kind of guy..

34 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:54:23pm

Programming Note: The National Championship College Basketball game is on.. And it's a war Tonight...
The National Anthem by Fray sucked..I'd say top 10 most suck in a major game..You pull that shit in a Superbowl somebody will bomb your Limo..( Teasing) The guitarist messed up twice hitting the wrong note..
Normally you don't cringe twice during the National Anthem..oh well
Great game!

35 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:55:00pm

7 people shot and killed today by another madman with a gun. There's no doubt that it was done with legal weaponry. There is no accountability. No introspection. No thought from America in what has become almost routine for Americans in what I am now beginning to look at as some type of domestic terrorism.

36 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:56:00pm

dear breitbart editors


there's really cool tools you can use to speed things up! One is ctrl-C, the other is ctrl-V!

using these tools...

you can copy and paste sections of text!

you can copy and paste sections of text!

you can copy and paste sections of text!

you can copy and paste sections of text!

you can copy and paste sections of text!

it's supereffective!

37 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:56:59pm

re: #36 windupbird is in the gravity well

Can you multiply pokemons this way?

38 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:57:03pm

re: #33 Mich-again

I figured Perry was more of a Camptown Ladies kind of guy..

LOL

39 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:57:37pm

re: #35 Gus

7 people shot and killed today by another madman with a gun. There's no doubt that it was done with legal weaponry. There is no accountability. No introspection. No thought from America in what has become almost routine for Americans in what I am now beginning to look at as some type of domestic terrorism.

The NRA is counting on it


nothing like a terrified and paranoid populace to get gun sales a movin'!

40 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:59:00pm

• 17 shot dead by Sgt. Bales in Afghanistan
• 7 shot dead in Chicago
• 1 shot dead in Sanford Florida
• 7 shot dead in Oakland

All told that's 32 dead by the hands of so called "every day" Americans and in a relatively short period of time. There are many more that were shot in cold blood and many more to follow.

41 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:59:53pm

re: #34 HoosierHoops

Programming Note: The National Championship College Basketball game is on.. And it's a war Tonight...
The National Anthem by Fray sucked..I'd say top 10 most suck in a major game..You pull that shit in a Superbowl somebody will bomb your Limo..( Teasing) The guitarist messed up twice hitting the wrong note..
Normally you don't cringe twice during the National Anthem..oh well
Great game!

Carl Lewis was apparently trending on twitter during their rendition. You heard his right?

42 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:00:02pm

re: #37 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Can you multiply pokemons this way?

yeah, but you need the code-wheel to use them

43 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:00:42pm

I wonder how many of the breitbart editors can hand-code html, or even read html code


I am guessing the answer is lol

44 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:01:52pm

re: #39 windupbird is in the gravity well

The NRA is counting on it

nothing like a terrified and paranoid populace to get gun sales a movin'!

And the usual response from when these tragedies occur is, "look out patriots them librul gun grabbers are coming soon!" It's like they don't even give a crap about anything but their freaking hobby.

45 Achilles Tang  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:02:40pm

re: #17 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Awwwkward...

However, church leaders have said the origins of the prohibition are unknown. The church recently issued a statement from its offices in Utah denouncing racism and warning against what it called speculation about how the ban came to be.

Translation: Joseph Smith worked in mysterious ways, don't ask questions.

46 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:03:02pm

How hard can it be to actually read the comments and delete ones that are openly racist?

47 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:04:28pm

re: #31 Gus

I know. Do they even need to take an exam for that license? Are they tested? Are they required to maintain a level of hand gun proficiency over the year and take "continuing education" on hand gun safety and use?

Well, I can't speak to Florida's requirements but training is required here. However the training requirement was neutered on order of the NRA. No continuing training is required.

I simply used a copy of my active duty DD-214 from 1985 as my proof of training. I do hope to take some advanced courses down the road and try to get in some range practice weekly.

48 Mocking Jay  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:04:35pm

O'Donnell has the voice experts on.

49 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:04:35pm

re: #45 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

Yep. However, I would also like if some Biblical questions were asked of the "traditional Christian" candidates...

50 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:04:39pm

re: #44 Gus

And the usual response from when these tragedies occur is, "look out patriots them librul gun grabbers are coming soon!" It's like they don't even give a crap about anything but their freaking hobby.

gun worship is a cult, it has cultists, it has a tribal culture, it has weird off-putting behavior and aggro tough guy power fantasy posturing, delusions of fighting a monolithic enemy

51 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:05:38pm

re: #41 Hoodies for Justice. T

Carl Lewis was apparently trending on twitter during their rendition. You heard his right?

OMG Stanley! During halftime one of my all time Hero's Clark K. is going to interview President Obama and talk Ball. Clark talked for a few about the President a few minutes ago and about his love of Ball.. 6 minutes till halftime..
/Kansas should just board the bus now..Jeez

52 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:06:43pm

re: #50 windupbird is in the gravity well

gun worship is a cult, it has cultists, it has a tribal culture, it has weird off-putting behavior and aggro tough guy power fantasy posturing, delusions of fighting a monolithic enemy

Hoplophobe!!!///

53 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:07:36pm

re: #50 windupbird is in the gravity well

gun worship is a cult, it has cultists, it has a tribal culture, it has weird off-putting behavior and aggro tough guy power fantasy posturing, delusions of fighting a monolithic enemy

Um, so when I was learning to shoot when I was 8, I was having weird aggro tough guy power fantasies?

54 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:07:53pm

re: #50 windupbird is in the gravity well

gun worship is a cult, it has cultists, it has a tribal culture, it has weird off-putting behavior and aggro tough guy power fantasy posturing, delusions of fighting a monolithic enemy

We must maintain a well regulated militia! Wolverines! Yeah, if you even suggest anything it's worse than an atheist speaking out at a revival meeting.

55 jaunte  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:08:47pm
56 Mocking Jay  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:08:54pm

re: #53 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Um, so when I was learning to shoot when I was 8, I was having weird aggro tough guy power fantasies?

I don't thin you were gun-worshipping at that point.

57 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:09:24pm

re: #52 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Hoplophobe!!!///

We will use our gunz to fight off those super silent Chinese submarines! They're coming soon I tells ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

//

58 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:10:06pm

re: #57 Gus

We will use our gunz to fight off those super silent Chinese submarines! They're coming soon I tells ya!!!

//

Now we know what to do when the Russians come!!//

59 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:11:28pm

That state farm fan commercial made me lol.

60 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:12:14pm

re: #46 Mostly sane, most of the time.

How hard can it be to actually read the comments and delete ones that are openly racist?

Before they can delete the racist comments they need to identify them. And my guess is they need help identifying which ones are racist. What? That one too? why?

61 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:12:59pm

I've been to two different gun stores in the portland area, and the tribal difference was amazing

one was run by a old dude who loved crazy ancient firearms, the store was practically a museum of weird WWII curiosities, and the nerd working the counter was really friendly and happy to chat, the whole place was more "zany Oregon" than anything else, advertised and sponsored contests on irreverent radio shows, etc


the other was a gun-cultist sorta place, full of these aggro mean frowny tough guy types who were giving us the hard sell with the worst cliches like we were buying a car, and the air was thick with showoffy posturing and hostility, and all the stupid NRA bumper stickers you can carry

62 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:13:07pm

re: #58 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Now we know what to do when the Russians come!!//

It's all about war in the end. Power. The reason why most science fiction movies are just war movies in outer space. Why "Star Trek" was originally "Gunsmoke in space." I don't mind these things in moderation but I do believe our fascination with these things are beyond normal.

63 teresa  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:13:11pm

I wonder if that includes building camaraderie and love around the country. I was at the Emerald City Comicon this past weekend, low and behold a Breitbart Blogging troll and actor Adam Baldwin was there and went after Wil Wheaton for no reason. Well it turns out Baldwin writes for BigFailure. It was really strange for a Comicon event cause we might talk about Federation politics, but not real politics.
I don't know, but I think they are on a tear to stay noticed and they will do anything, create controversy, make asses of themselves, Baldwin tweet endlessly about Trayvon Martin, Obama's Alinsky Strategy, and every other kook story out there, he is truly a Breitbart Morlock. They are trying to stay relevant. It's not working.

64 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:14:48pm

re: #53 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Um, so when I was learning to shoot when I was 8, I was having weird aggro tough guy power fantasies?

does your life revolve around it? Are you part of the cult, or are you just a gun owner? Are you afraid Obama gonna get your gunnz? Are you a believer in everything NRA? Is it your cultural identifier?

I've owned guns too, I've been around them because of my partner

But the creepo culture is real, it's an absolutely real thing and I've been in the midst of it, don't tell me its not :)

65 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:14:54pm

re: #62 Gus

Qapla!

66 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:15:58pm

Just maybe the only reason the nuts visit Brietbart is to read through the comments by like minded people and drop some of their own. If the mini-barts take that fun away, it might slow traffic down. It'd be like a beer store with no beer.

67 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:16:03pm

if you don't see any problem with the NRA's behavior, you may be a gun cultist

68 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:16:09pm

re: #61 windupbird is in the gravity well

I've been to two different gun stores in the portland area, and the tribal difference was amazing

one was run by a old dude who loved crazy ancient firearms, the store was practically a museum of weird WWII curiosities, and the nerd working the counter was really friendly and happy to chat, the whole place was more "zany Oregon" than anything else, advertised and sponsored contests on irreverent radio shows, etc

the other was a gun-cultist sorta place, full of these aggro mean frowny tough guy types who were giving us the hard sell with the worst cliches like we were buying a car, and the air was thick with showoffy posturing and hostility, and all the stupid NRA bumper stickers you can carry

Probably a difference between old school and new school? Back in the day when gun enthusiasts were into it because they loved guns and rifles. The art and craft. The shooting or the hunt. Instead the new school is centered around paranoid delusions of civil strife, self-defense, life and death fantasies. Most of which is negative based. When before it was going to the rifle range it's now become "get your guns before Obama takes you guns and the civil war begins again!!!!!!!!!!!"

69 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:16:52pm

re: #60 Mich-again

Before they can delete the racist comments they need to identify them. And my guess is they need help identifying which ones are racist. What? That one too? why?

Why is it "racist" to call President Obama the "Kenyan Allende?" I do not understand!

70 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:19:26pm

OK Half time now..Turn on CBS.. The president will be on in a few minutes..

71 jaunte  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:19:27pm

re: #61 windupbird is in the gravity well

the other was a gun-cultist sorta place, full of these aggro mean frowny tough guy types

I've been to that place in Houston.

72 prairiefire  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:19:30pm

re: #63 teresa

Nice blog!

73 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:19:30pm

re: #68 Gus

Probably a difference between old school and new school? Back in the day when gun enthusiasts were into it because they loved guns and rifles. The art and craft. The shooting or the hunt. Instead the new school is centered around paranoid delusions of civil strife, self-defense, life and death fantasies. Most of which is negative based. When before it was going to the rifle range it's now become "get your guns before Obama takes you guns and the civil war begins again!!!"

Or my neighborhood is being OVER RUN! Hell, there are break ins on my couple of blocks probably weekly. Get good windows and doors/better locks are cool too. Definitely not a life and death situation.

74 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:20:49pm

re: #52 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Hoplophobe!!!///

Well, yes, there are those. Hoplphilia as a fetish too.

The long racist history of gun control in America makes me twitchy too though I tend to worry about nice little right wing mayors and governors doing far more damage (as has been true historically) than anything the President would do.

75 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:22:14pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

Why is it "racist" to call President Obama the "Kenyan Allende?" I do not understand!

I don't think that's racist.

I think it's inappropriately threatening.

76 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:22:51pm

re: #75 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I don't think that's racist.

I think it's inappropriately threatening.

"Kenyan"

77 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:25:11pm

re: #61 windupbird is in the gravity well

I've been to two different gun stores in the portland area, and the tribal difference was amazing

one was run by a old dude who loved crazy ancient firearms, the store was practically a museum of weird WWII curiosities, and the nerd working the counter was really friendly and happy to chat, the whole place was more "zany Oregon" than anything else, advertised and sponsored contests on irreverent radio shows, etc

I need to vist that place :) They have a web presence?

78 prairiefire  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:26:16pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

Why is it "racist" to call President Obama the "Kenyan Allende?" I do not understand!

Sounds like the writer Chinua Achebe[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

79 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:26:53pm

re: #76 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

"Kenyan"

I don't consider "Kenyan" to be insulting. His father was a Kenyan. There's nothing insulting (to me) about being from Kenya or having your ancestry be Kenyan.

When Adams called Hamilton "the bastard brat of a Scottish peddlar," Scottish wasn't an insult.

80 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:27:21pm

re: #79 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I don't consider "Kenyan" to be insulting. His father was a Kenyan. There's nothing insulting (to me) about being from Kenya or having your ancestry be Kenyan.

When Adams called Hamilton "the bastard brat of a Scottish peddlar," Scottish wasn't an insult.

Obama is not a Kenyan. He's an American.

81 teresa  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:27:34pm

re: #72 prairiefire

Thank you!

82 darthstar  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:27:56pm

Mitt Romney picks up the coveted Ahmadinejad endorsement...

"As a sign of my gratitude for such a helpful proposal, I would like to announce my support for Governor Romney's presidential campaign. Effective immediately, one-third of Iran's oil sales will be funneled into Governor Romney's Super PAC.

Suddenly, I love Citizens United.

83 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:28:31pm

When Hoops? Gah they drag this out! (runs to br)

84 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:30:13pm

re: #80 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Obama is not a Kenyan. He's an American.

I know lots of Scottish-Americans and Swedish-Americans and Czech-Americans who are proud of their heritage. (Especially the Scots. They are insane.) Why shouldn't having Kenyan heritage be something to be proud of?

85 Achilles Tang  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:31:05pm

re: #73 Hoodies for Justice. T

Or my neighborhood is being OVER RUN! Hell, there are break ins on my couple of blocks probably weekly. Get good windows and doors/better locks are cool too. Definitely not a life and death situation.

You mean armored windows and steel doors? What other kind will keep a determined criminal out?

That's not a situation I would be dismissing as trivial. I can only assume that you are renting, temporarily, and don't really care what happens to people who want to live their lives there.

86 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:31:42pm

re: #84 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I know lots of Scottish-Americans and Swedish-Americans and Czech-Americans who are proud of their heritage. (Especially the Scots. They are insane.) Why shouldn't having Kenyan heritage be something to be proud of?

Are you serious? Do you honestly think anybody but racists identify Obama as "Kenyan", the term by which he does not identify himself?

87 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:32:40pm

re: #84 Mostly sane, most of the time.

What does pride in heritage have to do with anything? Those who call him "Kenyan" are not proud of his heritage.

88 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:32:45pm

re: #84 Mostly sane, most of the time.

There's nothing shameful about having Kenyan ancestry. The point is that Breitbart commenters use it as an insult.

89 Achilles Tang  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:33:35pm

re: #84 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I know lots of Scottish-Americans and Swedish-Americans and Czech-Americans who are proud of their heritage. (Especially the Scots. They are insane.) Why shouldn't having Kenyan heritage be something to be proud of?

He doesn't have a Kenyan heritage, he has a Kenyan ancestry, among others.
There is a difference.

90 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:34:01pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

There's nothing shameful about having Kenyan ancestry. The point is that Breitbart commenters use it as an insult.

It is sad that he can't be as proud of his heritage as the Scots who can explain their exact tartan, and play the bagpipes, and go and toss cabers.

I find that very sad.

91 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:34:50pm

re: #90 Mostly sane, most of the time.

It is sad that he can't be as proud of his heritage as the Scots who can explain their exact tartan, and play the bagpipes, and go and toss cabers.

I find that very sad.

I'm pretty sure Barack Obama has no problem with his ancestry.

But the commenters at Breitbart.com certainly do.

92 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:34:55pm

re: #90 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Nobody said anything about his pride of his heritage, or lack thereof. It's a non-issue.

93 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:35:53pm

re: #90 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Tartans are really easy to explain.

"The clothe merchants made up this clan association with tartans in the mid 18th century. Before then, they were just associated with whatever place they were made, not a clan."

94 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:36:18pm

Thanks Hoops. That was awesome.

95 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:36:29pm

ZOMG tonight's episode of the "Bones" show was so freaking stupid, I must have lost innumerable brain cells by watching it.

96 Achilles Tang  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:37:38pm

re: #93 Obdicut

Tartans are really easy to explain.

"The clothe merchants made up this clan association with tartans in the mid 18th century. Before then, they were just associated with whatever place they were made, not a clan."

Seriously? Most European areas have had their local folk dress style for ages, but not the tartans?

97 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:37:48pm

Speaking of losing brain cells, I think mine just protested this headline:

Limbaugh On Trayvon Martin: ‘This Story Is Doing More Harm To The Black Community Than Anything Else’

98 aagcobb  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:38:07pm

Wonder how much wingnuts will bitch about CBS interviewing the President during halftime?

99 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:38:20pm

I guess I just found the comment stupid, because to be a Kenyan Allende, he would have to be a democratically elected Marxist president of Kenya. I suppose that expecting a sensible allegory from these people is too much to ask.

Also, I see it as a threat, because Allende was murdered.

100 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:39:39pm

re: #96 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

Seriously? Most European areas have had their local folk dress style for ages, but not the tartans?

No, the tartans existed. They just weren't associated with clans, and with ancestry. If your family moved from one place to another, they'd just buy the tartans there when their old ones wore out. It wasn't an ancestral pride thing.

101 prairiefire  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:40:13pm

I thought the President was going to grab that guy's hat from him.

102 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:40:33pm

re: #99 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Time to bring the Secret Service Party Van down on their asses.

103 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:41:59pm

re: #99 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Wikipedia says he committed suicide after a miltary coup on 9/11/73.

104 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:43:05pm

re: #94 Hoodies for Justice. T

Thanks Hoops. That was awesome.

It was awesome! I really really like him..He is an All-American Dad..

105 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:44:27pm

re: #100 Obdicut

No, the tartans existed. They just weren't associated with clans, and with ancestry. If your family moved from one place to another, they'd just buy the tartans there when their old ones wore out. It wasn't an ancestral pride thing.

The clan tartan craze started during Queen Victoria's reign, if I am not mistaken.

106 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:44:53pm

re: #97 Lidane

Speaking of losing brain cells, I think mine just protested this headline:

Limbaugh On Trayvon Martin: ‘This Story Is Doing More Harm To The Black Community Than Anything Else’

Racebaiters gotta bait.

107 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:45:09pm

re: #103 Mich-again

Wikipedia says he committed suicide after a miltary coup on 9/11/73.

I don't think he was depressed. I think he decided to stage his own exit rather than have it staged for him.

108 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:45:48pm

Again, it isn't surprising that the right wing base responds this way -- most of the articles at Breitbart.com consist of absolutely blatant race-baiting.

The right has pushed the window of acceptable rhetoric so far to the insane side that this now seems unremarkable to most people. But I still remember when decent people would be morally appalled by the shit they're peddling.

109 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:46:31pm

re: #105 Learned Mother of Zion

The clan tartan craze started during Queen Victoria's reign, if I am not mistaken.

It started in the Georgian era, and got re-inspired by Victoria and the new Royal connection to Balmoral.

110 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:47:23pm

Not a fan of the legacy reporter but he has an obvious point:

111 Achilles Tang  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:49:08pm

re: #100 Obdicut

No, the tartans existed. They just weren't associated with clans, and with ancestry. If your family moved from one place to another, they'd just buy the tartans there when their old ones wore out. It wasn't an ancestral pride thing.

OK, but it still indicated an area did it not, and people did not move a great deal in those days, so one would still likely be associated with one clan or other would it not?

Perhaps it was simply that only later did people start putting the clan names to the tartans, in a more "official" capacity.

112 allegro  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:49:53pm

I think the guy just really loves sports and basketball especially. I guess I'm not cynical enough to see this as politicking.

113 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:54:10pm

re: #112 allegro

I think the guy just really loves sports and basketball especially. I guess I'm not cynical enough to see this as politicking.

Anything to counter the Kenyan Allende description.

He's all American.

114 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:55:06pm

re: #111 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

OK, but it still indicated an area did it not, and people did not move a great deal in those days,

No, people moved around a lot in those days. A ton.

so one would still likely be associated with one clan or other would it not?

No.

Perhaps it was simply that only later did people start putting the clan names to the tartans, in a more "official" capacity.

Nope, that wasn't it. It's an interesting history. And another problem with your story is that in the same district, many clans might live, wearing the same tartan.

And most of the old tartan patterns got lost, anyway.

115 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:55:56pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

The cockroaches aren't afraid of the light anymore.

116 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:56:46pm

I don't know why I did, but I went to Pamela's site to see what she's up to.

WTFF? Pamela is claiming the Obama campaign is committing "credit card fraud" (Google link) because she, and other wingnuts, registered at Obamabiden.com and DONATED small amounts (it was not fraudulent, they authorized these donations!), using fake names like "Don Corleone" and "Adolf Hitler" and "Bill Ayers"

Dumbasses, if you give your real CC# THEY WILL GET YOUR REAL NAME.

Teh Stupid, an everlasting burning shrubbery.

117 jaunte  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:59:09pm

re: #116 Learned Mother of Zion

I hope they get all their readers to try it, just to make sure.

118 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:59:37pm

re: #111 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

Here's what looks like a light but pretty accurate treatment of it.

[Link: www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk...]

119 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:59:41pm

re: #117 jaunte

I hope they get all their readers to try it, just to make sure.

What an EPIC FAIL, but a WIN for Obama. :)

120 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:00:24pm

re: #117 jaunte

I hope they get all their readers to try it, just to make sure.

lol

121 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:00:43pm

re: #119 Learned Mother of Zion

I'm pretty sure they're smart people and they used the real credit card that belonged to Adolf Hitler! ///

122 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:02:03pm

re: #121 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

I'm pretty sure they're smart people and they used the real credit card that belonged to Adolf Hitler! ///

Yeah, well if they used Don Corleone's credit card they would be sleepin' wid da fishes.

123 Kragar  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:04:15pm

re: #116 Learned Mother of Zion

I don't know why I did, but I went to Pamela's site to see what she's up to.

WTFF? Pamela is claiming the Obama campaign is committing "credit card fraud" (Google link) because she, and other wingnuts, registered at Obamabiden.com and DONATED small amounts (it was not fraudulent, they authorized these donations!), using fake names like "Don Corleone" and "Adolf Hitler" and "Bill Ayers"

Dumbasses, if you give your real CC# THEY WILL GET YOUR REAL NAME.

Teh Stupid, an everlasting burning shrubbery.

Giving any business false information for a transaction doesn't mean they've committed fraud. The fraud is being committed by the people providing the false info.

If I walk in to a dealer and buy a car and sign the contract "Will Smith", I can't turn around and accuse the dealership of fraud because they used a fake name I gave them.

Fucking idiots.

124 teresa  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:05:52pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

I am appalled, truly. But you are correct about this Charles, I am far from shocked, in fact it is the behavior I expect to see at those places. It is as though they are attempting to one up even themselves every single day. Too many places suffer from unconstrained trolls. Too many. I've been to the Breitbart sites a few times. It makes me curious, what makes these folks tick? What happened in their lives to make them so angry and unable to see they are their own problem, there is no real existential threat to their lives, they are their own threat. But they can never be completely understood, because they don't understand themselves. And it seems in allowing them to write whatever they want, their anger only grows, sort of like the green orb of evil in Heavy Metal. Hatred only grows when it is constantly stoked and released. It's a terrible cycle and it is hurting the country.
I guess that is why I have come to appreciate this place. I don't participate frequently, but I was a lurker reader for more than a year, until I asked if I could join this year. It's nice to be troll free!

125 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:09:02pm

re: #116 Learned Mother of Zion

I don't know why I did, but I went to Pamela's site to see what she's up to.

WTFF? Pamela is claiming the Obama campaign is committing "credit card fraud" (Google link) because she, and other wingnuts, registered at Obamabiden.com and DONATED small amounts (it was not fraudulent, they authorized these donations!), using fake names like "Don Corleone" and "Adolf Hitler" and "Bill Ayers"

Dumbasses, if you give your real CC# THEY WILL GET YOUR REAL NAME.

Teh Stupid, an everlasting burning shrubbery.

It's very possible that Pamela Geller broke the law by doing this.

126 Kragar  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:09:37pm

Pam's idea of a cunning ruse

"So see you Friday?"

"Oh, sure, Friday sounds good."

"HAHA! GOTCHA! I'm going to be out of town Friday and you fell for it!"

"...Okaaay."

127 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:10:07pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

Reminds me of the O'Keefe Team "vote fraud" stunt.

128 Kragar  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:11:01pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

It's very possible that Pamela Geller broke the law by doing this.

Isn't there usually a boilerplate stating "I certify all the above is true" etc etc, before clicking continue for internet transactions?

129 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:12:46pm

OMG, like HITLER would donate to Obama.

130 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:13:12pm

re: #128 Kragar

100% sure there's some sort of legalese at BO campaign site.

131 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:13:54pm

re: #129 Hoodies for Justice. T

OMG, like HITLER would donate to Obama.

Pam prolly donned the 'stache and uniform just not to jinx the transaction./

132 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:14:17pm

re: #129 Hoodies for Justice. T

OMG, like HITLER would donate to Obama.

Well, you really would have a hard time predicting what Zombie Hitler would do.

Now, Zombie Churchill, he'd probably be consistent.

133 jaunte  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:15:58pm

re: #129 Hoodies for Justice. T

OMG, like HITLER would donate to Obama.

Well, he would go for the candidate with the most braiinnnzzz.

134 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:16:19pm

OK, gonna crawl into the covers for the end of this game.

When the Gators won a few years back, the school purchased the hardwood floor, and brought it back to Gainesville. They all play on it now. Pretty cool.

135 jaunte  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:16:26pm

re: #133 jaunte

Well, he would go for the candidate with the most braiinnnzzz.

That's Zombie Hitler, of course.

136 dragonath  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:17:04pm

re: #105 Learned Mother of Zion

One of my favorite Victorian crazes... Pteridomania!

137 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:18:34pm

re: #121 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

I'm pretty sure they're smart people and they used the real credit card that belonged to Adolf Hitler! ///

The famous 'Lost Credit Card of Hitler'. In collector circles it must be worth, oh, 10s of dozens of pennies.

138 Achilles Tang  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:19:43pm

re: #114 Obdicut

Well, I'm not familiar with the details of clans as such. I was comparing with, say, Scandinavian folk dress which has particular styles relating to very specific regions, but not families as such; the latter I presume being a form of clan.

139 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:19:58pm

re: #134 Hoodies for Justice. T

OK, gonna crawl into the covers for the end of this game.

When the Gators won a few years back, the school purchased the hardwood floor, and brought it back to Gainesville. They all play on it now. Pretty cool.

I picked Kentucky to win this year..
Sweet dreams

140 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:20:37pm

re: #138 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

well, ready the thingy I linked and you'll get a good sense of the historical use vs. how it became associated with clans.

141 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:21:20pm

re: #124 teresa

I am appalled, truly. But you are correct about this Charles, I am far from shocked, in fact it is the behavior I expect to see at those places. It is as though they are attempting to one up even themselves every single day. Too many places suffer from unconstrained trolls. Too many. I've been to the Breitbart sites a few times. It makes me curious, what makes these folks tick? What happened in their lives to make them so angry and unable to see they are their own problem, there is no real existential threat to their lives, they are their own threat. But they can never be completely understood, because they don't understand themselves. And it seems in allowing them to write whatever they want, their anger only grows, sort of like the green orb of evil in Heavy Metal. Hatred only grows when it is constantly stoked and released. It's a terrible cycle and it is hurting the country.
I guess that is why I have come to appreciate this place. I don't participate frequently, but I was a lurker reader for more than a year, until I asked if I could join this year. It's nice to be troll free!

Troll free?

Troll free?

Now that we've lured you into our grasp, you'll see what a true troll is like!!

Muahaahaha.

Anybody seen Buck around?

142 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:22:09pm

re: #137 Bee#

The famous 'Lost Credit Card of Hitler'. In collector circles it must be worth, oh, 10s of dozens of pennies.

Image: Happy-Endings-Hitler-credit-card.jpg

143 Kragar  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:23:50pm

Aryan Express, Don't leave the Sudetanland without it.
/

144 teresa  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:26:25pm

re: #141 Bee#

Did I speak too soon? He must be easy to miss! But then I pay little attention to trolls if they are few and far between, then they are more like commercials... easy to ignore.

145 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:26:54pm

re: #35 Gus

7 people shot and killed today by another madman with a gun. There's no doubt that it was done with legal weaponry. There is no accountability. No introspection. No thought from America in what has become almost routine for Americans in what I am now beginning to look at as some type of domestic terrorism.

That was in California. Plenty of gun laws to restrict the loon and he still went off the deep end. These sorts of things can't be laid at the feet of the NRA. Usually this sort of nut has been building towards his rampage for a long time, so blame should fall on those who failed to see the signs of a person about to snap.

146 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:29:17pm

Something interesting about the shooting. The map of the area, and the various locations:

Image: t7N1L.jpg

Why was Zimmerman between the condos?

147 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:29:52pm

teehee

148 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:30:24pm

re: #144 teresa

Did I speak too soon? He must be easy to miss! But then I pay little attention to trolls if they are few and far between, then they are more like commercials... easy to ignore.

Buck is our token Canadian troll.

149 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:30:49pm

re: #147 ggt

moar!

150 im_gumby_damnit  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:32:13pm

The bottom line is that if the Breitbart folks really cared about putting a stop to racist commentary on their blog, then they would do so. Don't believe me? Start throwing the N-word around on this site and see how long you last.

151 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:34:07pm

re: #150 im_gumby_damnit

The bottom line is that if the Breitbart folks really cared about putting a stop to racist commentary on their blog, then they would do so. Don't believe me? Start throwing the N-word around on this site and see how long you last.

Nachos?

Nectar?

Naptime?

My mother didn't teach me the N-word.

152 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:34:27pm

re: #146 ProGunLiberal

Something interesting about the shooting. The map of the area, and the various locations:

Image: t7N1L.jpg

Why was Zimmerman between the condos?

What is 'F' supposed to represent?

153 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:34:39pm

re: #149 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

moar!

moar!

154 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:34:44pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

That was in California. Plenty of gun laws to restrict the loon and he still went off the deep end. These sorts of things can't be laid at the feet of the NRA. Usually this sort of nut has been building towards his rampage for a long time, so blame should fall on those who failed to see the signs of a person about to snap.

I'm not laying blame on any single group here. I'm saying that as a society as a whole we're not taking these events seriously enough. All of us. We ALL need to do more to prevent these sorts of things from happening.

155 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:34:49pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

It's very possible that Pamela Geller broke the law by doing this.

Praise TPGOP Jesus, I kind of hope so!

Because Pam & Co. are just that dumb.

156 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:34:55pm

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

What is 'F' supposed to represent?

I assumed the the location right next to "Eyewitness" was significant.

157 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:36:25pm

re: #136 Beware the Green Dragon!

One of my favorite Victorian crazes... Pteridomania!

Are you afflicted?

158 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:37:19pm

drop the lighter and slowly back away from the couch Kentucky fan!

159 Kragar  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:38:09pm

From the Obama sites terms of service:

User Content and Interactive Services or Areas

The Sites may include interactive areas or services ("Interactive Areas"), such as forums, blogs, chat rooms or message boards, or other areas or services in which you or other users may create, post, share or store content, messages, materials, data, information, text, graphics, audio, video, or other items or materials on the Sites ("User Content"). You are solely responsible for your use of such Interactive Areas and use them at your own risk. By using any Interactive Areas, you agree not to post, upload to, transmit, distribute, store, create, or otherwise publish through the Sites any of the following:

User Content that is unlawful, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, indecent, lewd, suggestive, harassing, threatening, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, abusive, inflammatory, fraudulent, deceptive or misleading;
User Content that would constitute, encourage or provide instructions for a criminal offense, violate the rights of any party, or that would otherwise create liability or violate any local, state, national or international law.
User Content that may infringe any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other intellectual or proprietary right of any party.
User Content that impersonates any person or entity or otherwise misrepresents your affiliation with a person or entity;
Unsolicited promotions, political campaigning, advertising, or solicitations;
Private information of any third party, including, without limitation, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, Social Security numbers and credit card numbers;
Viruses, corrupted data or other harmful, disruptive or destructive files; and
User Content which violates the terms of any OFA guidelines, policies or rules posted on the Site or otherwise provided to you; and
User Content that, in the sole judgment of OFA, is objectionable or which restricts or inhibits any other person from using or enjoying the Interactive Areas or the Sites, or which may expose OFA or its users to any harm or liability of any type.

Congrats Pam, you've committed fraud.

160 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:39:01pm

re: #146 ProGunLiberal

Clarification for this. Stuff others have pointed out:

Doesn't this instantly disprove Zimmerman's story that he was checking a street sign and Martin attacked him from behind when he was walking back to his car? I mean...

I personally find it difficult to believe considering the entire gated community consists of three streets: Retreat View Circle, Twin Trees, and Long Oak Way.

For Zimmerman to have lived there as long as he did and be so lost in his own neighborhood that he had to climb out of his vehicle to walk up to a street sign in order to be able to read it...come on.

The first part is what Zimmerman's Dad said happened. The next is an evaluation of it:

"He called the non-emergency number first, and they asked him where he was. Because he was at the rear of the townhouses and there was no street sign," Zimmerman said.

Even though a dispatcher told Zimmerman not to follow Martin, his father says he continued walking to locate an address to give to police.

"He lost sight of the individual, he continued to walk down the same sidewalk to the next street so he could get an address for the police. He went to the next street, realized where he was, and was walking to his vehicle," Zimmerman said.

... which still doesn't add up with the map of where Martin was shot, nor does it pass as an explanation for why he was out of the car. What "next street" is Daddy Zimmerman talking about? Did Zimmerman walk perpendicular to Martin's route, over to Retreat View Circle? It looks like Martin would have been walking parallel to Twin Trees and subsequently would have exited onto the southern curve of Twin Trees. This position of the body is crucial because it's nowhere near where the walkway meets any other street.

E: Stole this map from a website that's trying to prove Martin doubled back. I don't think it proves any such thing, but it gives you a good idea of where the key places were. I guess they really are claiming that Zimmerman walked perpendicular to Martin's route.

In summary, I think Zimmerman was exploiting the SYG law to hunt down an African American Teenager, and get away with it.

161 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:39:34pm

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

Where the "Fight" happened, and where Martin's body was.

162 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:41:29pm

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

What is 'F' supposed to represent?

It's the location of the shooting, a fair distance away from the road. It makes Zimmerman's claim that he was attacked as he was returning to his car a little bit more difficult to believe.

163 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:41:56pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

It's very possible that Pamela Geller broke the law by doing this.

Stupid is as stupid does. Heh.

164 Achilles Tang  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:44:09pm

re: #140 Obdicut

well, ready the thingy I linked and you'll get a good sense of the historical use vs. how it became associated with clans.

I should know more of this stuff. I lived in Edinburgh for 3 years once upon a time, but I studied engineering; what can I say.

165 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:45:25pm

re: #163 Lidane

Stupid is as stupid does. Heh.

I still get a kick out of how she puts 100 pages worth of material onto one page.

166 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:46:00pm

re: #161 ProGunLiberal

Where the "Fight" happened, and where Martin's body was.

re: #162 goddamnedfrank

It's the location of the shooting, a fair distance away from the road. It makes Zimmerman's claim that he was attacked as he was returning to his car a little bit more difficult to believe.

If that's where it went down, then Zimmerman is full of shit, IMO.

167 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:46:04pm

re: #164 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

Meh, a lot of Scottish people don't really know it either.

168 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:47:06pm

re: #159 Kragar

From the Obama sites terms of service:

Congrats Pam, you've committed fraud.

I don't think it's fraud unless she used someone else's credit card. If she only used her own credit card, it's just Teh Stupid.

169 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:47:10pm

re: #166 talon_262

Bingo! Don't know why people didn't take this into account before.

170 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:47:35pm

re: #167 Obdicut

Meh, a lot of Scottish people don't really know it either.

My dead grandfather will be so disappointed.

171 Achilles Tang  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:47:40pm

re: #158 Mich-again

drop the lighter and slowly back away from the couch Kentucky fan!

Hi Mich.

172 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:48:54pm

re: #146 ProGunLiberal

Something interesting about the shooting. The map of the area, and the various locations:

Image: t7N1L.jpg

Why was Zimmerman between the condos?

Also, if Zimmerman was having his head slammed into the concrete multiple times, how did Trayvon Martin end up face down in the grass at a complete 180 from where the epic fight to the death supposedly took place?

173 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:49:11pm

Kentucky is the National Champion..

174 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:49:54pm

re: #173 HoosierHoops

Kentucky is the National Champion..

How sweet it is!

175 Achilles Tang  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:50:46pm

re: #160 ProGunLiberal

In summary, I think Zimmerman was exploiting the SYG law to hunt down an African American Teenager, and get away with it.

That is getting a bit out there. There's enough speculation going on without adding to it.

176 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:51:33pm

re: #80 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Obama is not a Kenyan. He's an American.

IIRC, John McCain wasn't born in the US, well technically. None one ever called him a Panamanian.

It is an jibe and a an attempt to reinforce the Whacko Brainwashing that has overcome so many people. The constant references to "musliim", "Kenyan" and "Marxist" only cause more anxiety for the xenophobe, which is the goal.

177 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:52:03pm

re: #173 HoosierHoops

Kentucky is the National Champion..

That was an entertaining game.. I didn't care who won so I just watched and enjoyed..

178 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:52:34pm

re: #175 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

In summary, I think Zimmerman was exploiting the SYG law to hunt down an African American Teenager, and get away with it.

That is getting a bit out there. There's enough speculation going on without adding to it.

Yeah, even though I think Zimmerman a lying bastard, I don't think he was purposefully "hunting" Martin, except perhaps to hold him until the cops came in the hopes of getting some temporary fame.

179 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:55:21pm

re: #116 Learned Mother of Zion

I don't know why I did, but I went to Pamela's site to see what she's up to.

WTFF? Pamela is claiming the Obama campaign is committing "credit card fraud" (Google link) because she, and other wingnuts, registered at Obamabiden.com and DONATED small amounts (it was not fraudulent, they authorized these donations!), using fake names like "Don Corleone" and "Adolf Hitler" and "Bill Ayers"

Dumbasses, if you give your real CC# THEY WILL GET YOUR REAL NAME.

Teh Stupid, an everlasting burning shrubbery.

IIRC, reputable sites ask for: the name on the card

??

180 aagcobb  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:56:59pm

re: #173 HoosierHoops

Kentucky is the National Champion..

#8 for Big Blue!

181 freetoken  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:57:06pm

I'm pretty my user agreements for my credit cards say that I can not use the card with intent to defraud a vendor by buying something and intentionally giving incorrect data. I don't know the legal term for it.

182 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:57:10pm

I wonder if Zimmerman's dad the judge will play a role on the defense team after his son is charged with manslaughter. That is coming soon enough.

183 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:57:15pm

re: #179 ggt

IIRC, reputable sites ask for: the name on the card

??

If she was stupid enough to use her own card, the bank may flag it as a questionable transaction and freeze the card.

184 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:57:54pm

re: #183 Learned Mother of Zion

That would be utterly hilarious.

185 Kragar  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:58:06pm

re: #179 ggt

IIRC, reputable sites ask for: the name on the card

??

They ask for the contributors name, then below that credit card info.

186 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:58:22pm

re: #179 ggt

IIRC, reputable sites ask for: the name on the card

??

The name on the card, the billing address, and even the extra 3 numbers on the back to verify the card.

187 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:58:28pm

re: #183 Learned Mother of Zion

If she was stupid enough to use her own card, the bank may flag it as a questionable transaction and freeze the card.

And when that happens she'll BLAME IT ON BERNANKE!!!

188 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:59:32pm
re: #160 ProGunLiberal

Clarification for this. Stuff others have pointed out:

I personally find it difficult to believe considering the entire gated community consists of three streets: Retreat View Circle, Twin Trees, and Long Oak Way.

For Zimmerman to have lived there as long as he did and be so lost in his own neighborhood that he had to climb out of his vehicle to walk up to a street sign in order to be able to read it...come on.

The first part is what Zimmerman's Dad said happened. The next is an evaluation of it:

... which still doesn't add up with the map of where Martin was shot, nor does it pass as an explanation for why he was out of the car. What "next street" is Daddy Zimmerman talking about? Did Zimmerman walk perpendicular to Martin's route, over to Retreat View Circle? It looks like Martin would have been walking parallel to Twin Trees and subsequently would have exited onto the southern curve of Twin Trees. This position of the body is crucial because it's nowhere near where the walkway meets any other street.

E: Stole this map from a website that's trying to prove Martin doubled back. I don't think it proves any such thing, but it gives you a good idea of where the key places were. I guess they really are claiming that Zimmerman walked perpendicular to Martin's route.

In summary, I think Zimmerman was exploiting the SYG law to hunt down an African American Teenager, and get away with it.

I'll restate my only real question regarding Zimmerman's behavior and intent:

He got out of the Truck when he didn't have to.

I don't buy the street sign excuse either.

I have one question for the police:

John Doe?

189 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:59:47pm

Aurora just asked me to disable Java 6.0. I unchecked that. That must have been what I did on the other machine.

190 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:00:14pm

re: #183 Learned Mother of Zion

If she was stupid enough to use her own card, the bank may flag it as a questionable transaction and freeze the card.

Obama's campaign got my card frozen as punishment for proving how easy it is to screw with his donation site!

191 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:01:01pm

re: #161 ProGunLiberal

re: #162 goddamnedfrank

OK, thanks guys.

192 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:01:17pm

re: #190 Targetpractice

...

It's retaliation from the Obama owned credit card companies!!!!!!!!!

193 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:02:32pm

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

I think you can see the same issues as the rest of us here in regards to that fat schlubs story.

194 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:04:23pm

re: #187 Mich-again

And when that happens she'll BLAME IT ON BERNANKE!!!

No, she'll blame it on SOROS!!1

195 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:04:28pm

So Very True!

196 dragonath  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:04:30pm

re: #157 ggt

Naw, it's only an Entish disease.

197 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:06:11pm

re: #193 ProGunLiberal

I think you can see the same issues as the rest of us here in regards to that fat schlubs story.

Yes, I can. That does clear some things up.

198 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:09:15pm

OMg! too cute!

199 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:09:48pm

re: #196 Beware the Green Dragon!

Naw, it's only an Entish disease.

Is that what happened to the Entwives?

200 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:10:59pm

So this is a thing.

Man, I feel sorry for some peoples' children.

202 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:11:07pm

re: #187 Mich-again

And when that happens SHE"LL BLAME IT ON BERNANKE!!!

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

No, she'll blame it on SOROS!!1

No man all we have to do is like get rid of the Fed and go on the gold standard.

//

203 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:12:59pm

I can see the logic.

204 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:13:22pm

I seem to have dropped my monocle!

//

205 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:15:26pm

re: #199 ggt

Is that what happened to the Entwives?

No, they left the male Ents when they heard the male Ents planning to vote for Rick Santorum.

206 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:16:03pm

re: #202 Gus

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

No man all we have to do is like get rid of the Fed and go on the gold standard.

//

I don't know.

Do you really think we are going to be using gold-backed currency for much longer?

Seems to me that the world is moving so fast, that something else will be created and used --whufie maybe--I don't know.

Just trying to cope with possible future changes --after Spock and his feelings, I think nothing would surprise me.

207 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:16:54pm

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

No, they left the male Ents when they heard the male Ents planning to vote for Rick Santorum.

I thought Rick was against trees as well --no?

208 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:18:40pm

A sink made for two.

209 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:20:02pm

OK, last one.

File it under WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANYONE EVEN THINK OF THIS, MUCH LESS DESIGN, MAKE, SELL, BUY AND WEAR?

210 dragonath  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:20:16pm

I thought the Ents would be Romney supporters, because he's so wooden?

Ha ha?

//Hoom

211 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:21:01pm

re: #210 Beware the Green Dragon!

I thought the Ents would be Romney supporters, because he's so wooden?

Ha ha?

//Hoom

NO! I cannot believe the Ents are supporting Romney.

212 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:21:23pm

re: #210 Beware the Green Dragon!

I thought the Ents would be Romney supporters, because he's so wooden?

Ha ha?

//Hoom

No, that's why the Ents used to support Al Gore. Well, that and the fact that he hugged them.

/Heh.

213 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:29:41pm

re: #209 ggt

OK, last one.

File it under WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANYONE EVEN THINK OF THIS, MUCH LESS DESIGN, MAKE, SELL, BUY AND WEAR?

You're welcome:

[Link: tackyweddings.com...]

214 darthstar  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:30:08pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

No, that's why the Ents used to support Al Gore. Well, that and the fact that he hugged them.

/Heh.

Ooh...an Al Gore joke. Jimmy Carter! Cindy Sheehan! Bill Maher!

Except Al Gore isn't Mitt Romney. Al Gore has a conscience.

215 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:30:56pm

re: #214 darthstar

Ooh...an Al Gore joke. Jimmy Carter! Cindy Sheehan! Bill Maher!

Except Al Gore isn't Mitt Romney. Al Gore has a conscience.

You sure about that? :P

216 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:32:05pm

re: #215 Gus

You sure about that? :P

He fired Keith Olbermann, didn't he?

///

217 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:32:16pm

re: #214 darthstar

Ooh...an Al Gore joke. Jimmy Carter! Cindy Sheehan! Bill Maher!

Except Al Gore isn't Mitt Romney. Al Gore has a conscience.

BTW. Everybody handling things OK in the area after the shootings? That was a little close to home there for ya.

218 darthstar  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:32:25pm
219 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:36:25pm

I wonder if the shooting will receive less attention because they'll consider it a KOREAN shooting.

220 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:37:02pm

re: #213 Lidane

You're welcome:

[Link: tackyweddings.com...]

I did not need to see that.

:0

221 darthstar  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:37:20pm

re: #217 Gus

BTW. Everybody handling things OK in the area after the shootings? That was a little close to home there for ya.

Nah...it was across the big water (SF Bay) from me. It's a tragedy, to be sure, but you can't really let every one of these things turn your world upside down...you'd lose your faith in humanity. I do feel for the victims and their families.

222 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:38:26pm

Image: 999x.jpg

Bodies lie covered on the grass as Oakland Police work near Oikos University in Oakland, Calif. , Monday, April 2, 2012. A gunman opened fire at Oikos University in California Monday, killing at least five people, law enforcement sources close to the investigation said. Police say they have a suspect in custody.

223 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:40:01pm

I'm going to follow the example of the animals.

night all!

224 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:46:10pm

re: #214 darthstar

Ooh...an Al Gore joke. Jimmy Carter! Cindy Sheehan! Bill Maher!

Except Al Gore isn't Mitt Romney. Al Gore has a conscience.

Mitt has a conscience as well, mostly expressed through his charitable giving.

And I haven't been doing MBF DERPS tonight, so cut me some slack. It was intended to be a fun and funny little zinger, not some kind of "Dems do it too!" schlock.

225 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:49:18pm

I like the expression in this one.

Image: 999x.jpg

An Oakland police officer walks outside of Oikos University in Oakland, Calif. , Monday, April 2, 2012. A suspect was detained Monday in a shooting attack at a California Christian university that sources said has left at least five people dead.

226 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:52:18pm

re: #220 ggt

I did not need to see that.

:0

Hello Kitty Weddings, Part I

Hello Kitty Weddings, Part II

227 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:52:44pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

Mitt has a conscience as well, mostly expressed through his charitable giving.

And I haven't been doing MBF DERPS tonight, so cut me some slack. It was intended to be a fun and funny little zinger, not some kind of "Dems do it too!" schlock.

I think Gore should hire Van Jones. Olbermann's contract was around what? 50 million? For Current TV?

228 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:55:59pm

re: #225 Gus

I like the expression in this one.

Image: 999x.jpg

Interesting contrast between the officers' outfits. The cop with his hand on his head is in uniform blues, notably with both his hands off of his rifle (this isn't badly unsafe, given the assault sling he is using). The other cop looks far more like a soldier than a police officer, with his digital camo and 'boonie' hat (an updated version of those worn in the Vietnam War). That officer also has both hands on his rifle, and his rifle has both a tan handguard and a noticeably longer barrel than that carried by the officer in blue.

229 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:59:04pm

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

Interesting contrast between the officers' outfits. The cop with his hand on his head is in uniform blues, notably with both his hands off of his rifle (this isn't badly unsafe, given the assault sling he is using). The other cop looks far more like a soldier than a police officer, with his digital camo and 'boonie' hat (an updated version of those worn in the Vietnam War). That officer also has both hands on his rifle, and his rifle has both a tan handguard and a noticeably longer barrel than that carried by the officer in blue.

The boonies I thought were sharp shooters their afternoon. Might be like SPEC OPS Oakland SWAT or something like that. At first I wasn't sure what he was looking at but then figured out he was probably looking back at the cop with the hands on his head. Or! That he was hiding his face.

230 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:08:13pm

This is awesome. Logical fallacies, explained and illustrated:

[Link: www.informationisbeautiful.net...]

231 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:11:07pm

re: #229 Gus

The boonies I thought were sharp shooters their afternoon. Might be like SPEC OPS Oakland SWAT or something like that. At first I wasn't sure what he was looking at but then figured out he was probably looking back at the cop with the hands on his head. Or! That he was hiding his face.

Possible, especially with that longer barreled AR-15/M-16. Longer barrels are harder to use at close quarters, but they add muzzle velocity (and with it range and penetrating power) and accuracy (both from flatter trajectories and greater velocity, as well as the additional weight of the barrel helping to reduce recoil).

232 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:12:33pm

GRAPHIC CONTENT WARNING

Victims of today's shooting laying on grass at Oikos University.

Image: abc_oikos_school_shooting_2_120402_wg.jpg

233 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:18:24pm

re: #230 Lidane

This is awesome. Logical fallacies, explained and illustrated:

[Link: www.informationisbeautiful.net...]

Very good find.

234 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:24:37pm

re: #230 Lidane

I saw that linked at Hemant Mehta's site, where he wrote:

"When the pastor speaks, cross the fallacies he uses off the list. It’s like Church Bingo. But more blasphemous."

Heh.

235 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:32:53pm

Huh. As it turns out, a silent protest against school bullying is actually a sin promoting, christian bashing, gay indoctrination event. Who knew?

I wonder what kind of fit of rage that lady would go into if I were to tell her that the average Christian is in violation of far many, many more of a god's laws than a homosexual that keeps kosher.

236 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:43:33pm

re: #235 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Huh. As it turns out, a silent protest against school bullying is actually a sin promoting, christian bashing, gay indoctrination event. Who knew?

I wonder what kind of fit of rage that lady would go into if I were to tell her that the average Christian is in violation of far many, many more of a god's laws than a homosexual that keeps kosher.

I'd point out to Linda Harvey that it is possible to regard homosexuality as sinful and yet not abuse homosexuals. But I know that would do no good. She seems one of those kinds of "Christians" who thinks that tormenting gay people is a positive thing if it gets them to repent. Pure control mentality.

237 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:45:35pm

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

It's also an excellent example of an argument without evidence, stating a conclusion unsupported by the facts before diving right into condemning the inequities of the other side.

238 freetoken  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:18:58pm
MP3 Audio
239 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:44:20pm

Apparently, Arizona's race fail extends past high school:

Arizona Official Considering Banning Ethnic Studies In Universities Too

Two years ago, Arizona outlawed the teaching of some ethnic studies courses in K-12 schools, and now it may expand the prohibition to universities too.

Just weeks after the state passed its infamous immigration law, it also passed a law aimed at scuttling Tucson’s Mexican-American studies program, which critics claimed taught kids to resent white people. The argument, at the time, was that teaching subjects like critical race theory to kids in high school amounted to indoctrination because they were not old enough to question the teaching critically, like university students.

But now, Arizona’s chief education official sees university-level Mexican-American sudies programs as a danger too.

240 freetoken  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:58:42pm

Let me take this opportunity to rail against Google for making their search engine less useful.

241 Kragar  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 12:05:19am

re: #240 freetoken

Let me take this opportunity to rail against Google for making their search engine less useful.

What this time?

242 ozbloke  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 12:06:34am

re: #240 freetoken

Let me take this opportunity to rail against Google for making their search engine less useful.

Seconded.
It seems the more they try to personalise the results, the more useless the results have become.

243 freetoken  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 12:06:37am

re: #239 Lidane

I notice that Fox has comments turned off for that story. Oh, and I looked at Google and Google doesn't have it cached - how convenient - do you think Fox had any influence on Google for the latter to not cache articles at their website?

244 freetoken  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 12:07:50am

re: #241 Kragar

I used to use the plus sign "+" to help narrow searches, now all the search engined does it blurt back that find anything.

245 ozbloke  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 12:08:48am

This could be interesting to follow, I hope the farmer has deep pockets.

Legal action taken over alleged GM contamination

A Kojonup farmer has taken legal action against a neighbour after his property was allegedly contaminated by genetically modified canola.

Stephen Marsh's lawyers lodged a writ with the Supreme Court today.

Mr Marsh, a wheat farmer, was unable to sell his crop for a premium after about 70 per cent of his farm was stripped of organic certification in December 2010.

It is alleged Mr Marsh's neighbour, Michael Baxter, was negligent in allowing GM canola to blow onto his farm.

Mr Marsh is seeking damages for loss as well as a permanent injunction against Mr Baxter to protect his farm from future contamination.

Mr Marsh's lawyer Mark Walter believes the matter could go to trial early next year.

246 freetoken  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 12:17:48am

Since I am in a mood for ranting, I think any blogger who uses grey text on a white background is clueless. It seems to be the fashion, but goes against all that is known about human vision.

247 Kragar  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 12:28:46am

re: #246 freetoken

Since I am in a mood for ranting, I think any blogger who uses grey text on a white background is clueless. It seems to be the fashion, but goes against all that is known about human vision.

Hot Pink font on a lime green background

248 freetoken  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 12:30:16am
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249 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 12:44:34am

re: #244 freetoken

I used to use the plus sign "+" to help narrow searches, now all the search engined does it blurt back that find anything.

Use double quotes around the term(s) to force an exact search. This has always been Google's preferred method because it works the same on searches containing one or more than one term to be exactly matched.

250 ozbloke  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 12:44:53am

Speaking of Google, this just in.

ACCC wins case over misleading Google links

The Federal Court has ruled Google breached the law by displaying misleading sponsored links at the top of its search results.

Consumers who used Google to search for Honda, Harvey World Travel, Alpha Dog Training and Just 4X4 Magazine were presented with ads that led to rival websites.

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) appealed last year after a judge ruled Google's conduct had not been in breach of the Trade Practices Act.

Justice Antony Nicholas found that although a number of the advertisements were misleading or deceptive, Google had not made those representations.

But the full bench of the Federal Court has now overturned that decision, concluding the search engine's conduct did breach the law.

"The enquiry is made of Google and it is Google's response which is misleading," the full court said.

"Although the key words are selected by the advertiser, perhaps with input by Google, what is critical to the process is the triggering of the link by Google using its algorithms."

More at link...

251 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 12:52:59am

re: #243 freetoken

I notice that Fox has comments turned off for that story. Oh, and I looked at Google and Google doesn't have it cached - how convenient - do you think Fox had any influence on Google for the latter to not cache articles at their website?

Nothing nefarious, just robots.txt

252 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 1:15:28am

Wow. Just...

Church Stages Kidnapping of Youth Group Members

A church pastor in Pennsylvania could face felony charges for staging a fake kidnapping of youth group students in order to teach them about religious persecution.

Teenagers at the Glad Tidings Assembly of God Church in Middletown, Pa., were surprised when they attended a youth group meeting at the church on March 21 and were ambushed by what seemed to be real kidnappers.

Adults, including an off-duty cop, brandished weapons and put bags over the heads of the children, ages 13 through 18, and forced them into a church van. The group was driven to the home of an assistant pastor, who was presented before the group with a seemingly bloodied and bruised face, according to Dauphin County District Attorney Fran Chardo.

Video of the local news station interviewing one of the victims.

"Fake" or not, I think this still legally qualifies as kidnapping, and should be prosecuted as such.

253 researchok  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 1:33:46am

Morning, all

254 researchok  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 1:38:05am

re: #248 freetoken

This is why they sell old pick up trucks with AM radios only.

They are needed.

255 freetoken  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 1:39:29am

re: #249 goddamnedfrank

Use double quotes around the term(s) to force an exact search. ...

Yeah, but it takes extra typing. I just wish search engines allowed one to explicitly use terms like AND, XAND, OR, XOR etc. to control a search.

256 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 1:44:47am

re: #254 researchok

This is why they sell old pick up trucks with AM radios only.

They are needed.

Somebody pointed out that the sound of bands like Creedence Clearwater Revival had more than a bit to do with the effect that they sounded good blaring out of a transistor radio.

In fact, that is one of the things that I associate with memories of the summer of 1970: the intro to "Up Around the Bend" blaring out of our neighbor's Ford Fairlane.

257 freetoken  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 1:48:30am

Probably not pick-up truck material:

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258 researchok  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 1:48:54am

re: #256 Expand Your Ground

I hear that.

My fist transistor radio was a precious possession.

I was a kid, but I recall not being able to sleep- I was listening to the radio with that single off white earphone that kept slipping out.

I carried that thing everywhere.

259 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 1:51:38am

re: #258 researchok

I hear that.

My fist transistor radio was a precious possession.

I was a kid, but I recall not being able to sleep- I was listening to the radio with that single off white earphone that kept slipping out.

I carried that thing everywhere.

I recall getting a build-it-youself transistor radio kit as a kid and listening to "Daydream Believer" by the Monkees and "Hello, Goodbye" by the Beatles on it in heavy rotation.

260 researchok  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 1:52:53am

re: #257 freetoken

Unless the pick up was a Peugeot or Citroen.
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261 researchok  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 1:56:56am

re: #259 Expand Your Ground

I recall getting a build-it-youself transistor radio kit as a kid and listening to "Daydream Believer" by the Monkees and "Hello, Goodbye" by the Beatles on it in heavy rotation.

I'm impressed.

I had a black pocket size radio with the plastic corner chipped off.

Dad got a deal.

The earphone was tied with a tiny rubber band. I kept that and tied the earphone every night with rubber band. When it tore, I was in mourning. My dad gave me another rubber band- larger.

I tried to explain how it just wasn't the same.

He gave me that dad look. I knew I had to quit right then and there.

262 researchok  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 1:58:29am

They don't make like that any more.

Not the radio- I'm referring to my dad.

264 RadicalModerate  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 2:29:54am

re: #239 Lidane

Apparently, Arizona's race fail extends past high school:

Arizona Official Considering Banning Ethnic Studies In Universities Too

The Daily Show had a segment tonight on Arizona's Ethnic Studies ban, with an interview with one of the authors of the legislation, Tucson School Board member Michael Hicks.

To say this guy is a racist idiot would be an extreme understatement.

Comedy Central Video

The statements this guy makes are just mind-numbing.

265 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 2:31:11am

re: #263 windupbird is in the gravity well

Heh:

Guy Who Claims To Really Hate Furries But Also Knows An Alarmingly Large Amount Of Details About Them vs. Guy Who Quotes Immanuel Kant When Talking About Giant Robot Cartoons

266 freetoken  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 2:45:58am

re: #264 RadicalModerate

OMG, that's as funny as it is sad.

268 EdDantes  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 3:34:47am

re: #258 researchok

I hear that.

My fist transistor radio was a precious possession.

I was a kid, but I recall not being able to sleep- I was listening to the radio with that single off white earphone that kept slipping out.

I carried that thing everywhere.

We didn't have Walkmans or I pods! We had transistor radios and we liked it!

269 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:01:47am

Coffee is the best thing in the world.

270 freetoken  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:02:06am

It's always the punch-line that tells the story:

Letter to the Editor: Charged political issue

By Suzanne Vincent, Broken Arrow
Published: 4/3/2012  3:25 AM
Last Modified: 4/3/2012  3:25 AM

As a science professor at Oral Roberts University, I am aware of the controversy about climate change. For more than 25 years, scientists have argued about the greenhouse effect or global warming. [wrong]

The pioneer of comparative physiology, Knut Schmidt-Nielsen of Duke University, who died in 2007, pointed out that at a higher temperature caused by increased carbon dioxide due to burning fossil fuels the atmosphere would hold more water vapor and cause more clouds. This would reflect more solar radiation and reduce temperature. [inaccurate, incomplete, or irrelevant]

Schmidt-Nielsen concluded in the last edition of his animal physiology textbook, “The complexity of these relationships make predictions about the greenhouse effect of increased carbon dioxide highly uncertain.” Schmidt- Nielsen referenced articles published in “Science and Nature” and “The Greenhouse Effect,” “Climate Change” and “Ecosystems” to support his conclusion. [a very long appeal to authority]

Biologists are aware that plants use CO2 with solar energy to make sugar by photosynthesis. Sugar does no good for plants without oxidizing it to make ATP, producing CO2 as a byproduct.

Both animals and plants produce CO2 when they make ATP. Furthermore, air contains only .03 percent CO2; most air is nitrogen and oxygen. [confusing miscellaneous facts without an argument]

Concluding that CO2 is the sole cause [false portrayal of the claim] of climate warming is erroneous, because temperature variations are due to many factors like a decline in recent ice age effects [wrong], sun storms [wrong] and other causes [an indefinite infinite list.] It is a highly charged political issue. [finally, the statement of the assertion] Accepting environmental constraints placed by global [HOTBUTTON] governance could lead to the United States’ loss of sovereignty over its natural resources.

Always, it's the last item. After obfuscating with a running dialogue of miscellaneous, irrelevant facts combined with fallacies, the real story comes out.

This is America.

271 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:03:00am

Guy Who Thinks There’s No Political Issue That Can’t Be Solved By Nuking Something vs. Guy Who Longs For The Triumphant Return Of The Free Soil Party

272 freetoken  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:03:00am

And that was a science professor... at ORU.

273 freetoken  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:06:06am

Maybe it means something:

Support For Japan’s Military Reaches Post-War High

It’s been a tough year for Japan, what with the earthquake and tsunami, North Korean nukes and China’s increasingly aggressive military. But there’s a silver lining for at least one part of Japanese society – the military. A recent opinion poll shows support for Japan’s Self-Defense Forces is at the highest level since the end of World War II.

Those who have a “positive impression” of Japan’s military has climbed to 92 percent, up from 81 percent from the previous poll in 2009. That’s a far cry from the decades that followed the war when the military was widely reviled. Much of the growing support can be traced to the response to last year’s triple disaster. More than 100,000 troops were mobilized to deliver food, shelter, medical care and emergency services throughout the devastated Tohoku region. It was the lone bright spot in the government’s otherwise bungled response.

The military has also benefited from North Korea’s relentless pursuit of nuclear weapons, and with the rapid buildup and growing boldness of China’s military. According to the poll Japanese residents, conducted in late January, those who think Japan’s military capabilities should be increased has jumped to 25 percent, up from 14 percent in 2009.“Today, the (Japanese military) is in a very good position. There is much greater support after Tohoku and there is a greater appreciation for what they can do,” says Masashi Nishihara, president of the Research Institute for Peace and Security, and former head of the National Defense Academy.Although Japan’s Constitution forbids offensive military operations, Japan has quietly built one of the most capable armed forces in the world. It has more than 250,000 men and women in uniform and the annual defense budget of about $56 billion is the among the six largest in the world [...]

274 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:17:15am

re: #252 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Wow. Just...

Church Stages Kidnapping of Youth Group Members

Video of the local news station interviewing one of the victims.

"Fake" or not, I think this still legally qualifies as kidnapping, and should be prosecuted as such.

somewhat related - there was a pretty seminal and controversial situation where a teacher would create an environment of discrimination in a first grade classroom by creating a hierarchy of rights by eye color.

The reactions of the students to the exercise and reactions from adults to her exercise as a way to teach about diversity are very interesting.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

275 freetoken  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:18:08am

Ok, so I looked her up:

[Link: webapps.oru.edu...]

According to this she is a full on YEC:

[Link: jeriklucia.files.wordpress.com...]

... and seems to associate with some real nuts:

[Link: www.petrifiedhumanbrain.com...]

And now she tries to convince us that AGW is not real because the US will give up its sovereignty or something.

Yup.

276 freetoken  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:20:36am

Oh yeah, PZed already has her number:

Well, maybe it is exactly like their brains

277 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:23:05am

re: #273 freetoken

Maybe it means something:

Support For Japan’s Military Reaches Post-War High

That has been building for decades - along with increased support for nationalism among Japanese. It's pretty interesting to talk with Japanese about how any form of nationalism or militarism was basically shunned for decades in response to WWII.

278 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:28:08am

Morning all!

How is it?

279 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:28:49am

re: #270 freetoken

It's always the punch-line that tells the story:

Letter to the Editor: Charged political issue

Always, it's the last item. After obfuscating with a running dialogue of miscellaneous, irrelevant facts combined with fallacies, the real story comes out.

This is America.

Somehow she fails to mention that to the extent that plant growth is stimulated in increased CO2 (an unproven hypothesis in real-world environments let alone in all experimental studies), they require increased water and fertilizer when climate change would make them less available.

As a biologist, you'd think she'd mention that. Must have forgotten.

280 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:32:06am

Morning Lizardim.

281 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:37:05am

re: #116 Learned Mother of Zion

I don't know why I did, but I went to Pamela's site to see what she's up to.

WTFF? Pamela is claiming the Obama campaign is committing "credit card fraud" (Google link) because she, and other wingnuts, registered at Obamabiden.com and DONATED small amounts (it was not fraudulent, they authorized these donations!), using fake names like "Don Corleone" and "Adolf Hitler" and "Bill Ayers"

Dumbasses, if you give your real CC# THEY WILL GET YOUR REAL NAME.

Teh Stupid, an everlasting burning shrubbery.

Those creatures really need to get a life.

282 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:41:50am

re: #281 RayFerd

Those creatures really need to get a life.

They can't. Why do you think they are so pathetic?

283 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:43:13am

re: #269 Obdicut

Coffee is the best thing in the world.

I concur.

284 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:45:20am

re: #123 Kragar

Giving any business false information for a transaction doesn't mean they've committed fraud. The fraud is being committed by the people providing the false info.

If I walk in to a dealer and buy a car and sign the contract "Will Smith", I can't turn around and accuse the dealership of fraud because they used a fake name I gave them.

Fucking idiots.

Same with their voter fraud thing. They commit the fraud and to them it is as if someone else has committed some misdeed. To them showing "see it can be done" is some huge revelation.

I have something they can try. I wonder if they know you can walk into a store, any store, hold a gun to the cashier and demand money and they will probably give it to you. I'd say something needs to be done about that. Maybe lock all the doors and keep everyone out so that won't happen. What? There are laws against that too, just like there are laws against voter fraud? But it can happen, why aren't we stopping that from happening? What? Because then the business will shut down from lack of customers since we are so fucking paranoid that possibly someone MIGHT walk in and demand money. Oh what to do, what to do.

285 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:46:37am

re: #283 ggt

I concur.

I can't stand the taste of coffee. My morning caffeine is usually provided by a can or bottle of Mt. Dew.

Yes, I'm a young geek, how did you know?

286 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:47:38am

re: #129 Hoodies for Justice. T

OMG, like HITLER would donate to Obama.

I know. He told me he was Newt the whole way.

287 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:49:06am

headache morning

oh, whoa is me.

288 Interesting Times  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 5:57:45am

re: #279 Talking Point Detective

Somehow she fails to mention that to the extent that plant growth is stimulated in increased CO2 (an unproven hypothesis in real-world environments let alone in all experimental studies), they require increased water and fertilizer when climate change would make them less available.

And here's another inconvenient fact the durr-hurr-CO2-is-plant-food dribbling idiots overlook:

Photosynthesis in the leafy plants we depend on for oxygen and food will stop working if current trends continue

You might be surprised to learn that photosynthesis for many leafy plants (e.g., the ones we depend on for food) stops at a temperature well below the boiling point of water. The magic number? 104 degrees Fahrenheit, or 40 degrees Centrigrade.

Image: temperatureeffectonphot.jpg

This is why I predict the human race (barring a technological miracle) will be extinct in 200 years.

289 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:00:01am

re: #288 Interesting Times

Image: temperatureeffectonphot.jpg

This is why I predict the human race (barring a technological miracle) will be extinct in 200 years.

Honestly, I don't think so. We humans are pretty good at this adaptation thing. I'm sure we'll figure out some source of massive, clean energy before too long.

290 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:01:08am

re: #269 Obdicut

Coffee is the best thing in the world.

Gevalia coffee is the best thing in the world.

No, Gevalia is the 2nd best coffee in the world. The best coffee is made by Wawa.

291 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:02:30am

re: #290 Learned Mother of Zion

My wife loves Illy. Luckily, we've found a similar variety for only 8.99 a pound, given that Illy goes for like 14.

292 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:03:24am

re: #288 Interesting Times

And here's another inconvenient fact the durr-hurr-CO2-is-plant-food dribbling idiots overlook:

Photosynthesis in the leafy plants we depend on for oxygen and food will stop working if current trends continue

Image: temperatureeffectonphot.jpg

This is why I predict the human race (barring a technological miracle) will be extinct in 200 years

I can't go along with that prediction. My guess is that over a 200-year span, the impact of climate change will be regional, primarily, and the impact will be felt disproportionately among those with fewer adaptive resources. Romney's family will not be extinct in 200 years, in my view. In fact, the U.S may be heavily impacted (I think that the time-span may be greater to require that level of impact), but I would guess not at a level that it would cause a very significant drop in population.

293 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:04:58am

re: #290 Learned Mother of Zion

Gevalia coffee is the best thing in the world.

No, Gevalia is the 2nd best coffee in the world. The best coffee is made by Wawa.

Another Lizard from the Philly area? Seems to be a lot of those. La Colombe coffee ain't bad, but Wawa iced does hit the spot.

294 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:05:38am

200 years from now, we will all be dead.

That is the only prediction I will make.

295 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:05:50am

[Link: cleveland.cbslocal.com...]

A former Democratic county chairman in northern Indiana is among four people charged in what authorities say was a scheme to forge signatures on petitions to place the party’s presidential candidates on the 2008 primary ballot.

[...]

Court documents say Morgan directed the workers to forge voter signatures onto Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton petitions.

296 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:06:38am

re: #293 Talking Point Detective

Another Lizard from the Philly area? Seems to be a lot of those. La Colombe coffee ain't bad, but Wawa iced does hit the spot.

Zedushka is from Philly. We stopped at Wawa in Stroudburg on our way back from NYC. Best. Coffee. Ever.

297 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:06:45am

re: #295 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Is that just laziness? I mean, it's not like they were facing challenges getting on the ballot.

298 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:06:55am

re: #295 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

[Link: cleveland.cbslocal.com...]

"Northern Indiana"?

I remember seeing some you tube videos about such things way back in 2008.

299 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:07:07am

re: #296 Learned Mother of Zion

How's he doing?

300 Interesting Times  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:07:12am

re: #292 Talking Point Detective

but I would guess not at a level that it would cause a very significant drop in population.

You're overlooking the following "known unknowns":

1) Migrating disease vectors (which, thanks to the anti-evolution agenda of the GOP & pharmaceuticals who see no profit in new antibiotics, will be resistant as all-hell)

2) Wars over dwindling resources

3) Genetic engineering "fixes" that go horribly, horribly, wrong

In short, it isn't just one thing, but a perfect storm of several things going wrong at once and acting as positive feedbacks for one another.

301 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:08:25am

re: #299 Obdicut

How's he doing?

He completed his IV antibiotic treatment.

302 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:09:59am

re: #301 Learned Mother of Zion

He completed his IV antibiotic treatment.

What did you call him before he was Zedushka?

303 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:10:35am

A Mormon liberal on Mormonism and race:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

304 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:11:03am

re: #302 ggt

What did you call him before he was Zedushka?

By his real name. :)

305 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:11:10am

re: #298 ggt

They've been investigating it since 2008.

re: #297 Obdicut

Is that just laziness? I mean, it's not like they were facing challenges getting on the ballot.

I think it is laziness. It happened in South Bend, a major dem stronghold in the state. They shouldn't have had any problems getting more than enough signatures.

306 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:11:30am

re: #300 Interesting Times

You're overlooking the following "known unknowns":

1) Migrating disease vectors (which, thanks to the anti-evolution agenda of the GOP & pharmaceuticals who see no profit in new antibiotics, will be resistant as all-hell)

2) Wars over dwindling resources

3) Genetic engineering fixes that go horribly, horribly, wrong

No - I'm not ignoring them. I'm saying that looking at the estimates of probabilities w/r/t increases in temps per century, 200 years is a fairly short time scale to predict those outcomes on a global scale. It's possible, but my best guess is that there might be devastating impact regionally in some areas, but not likely globally, and not likely in a country with as many resources as the U.S. For example, conflict that might arise from food shortages could significantly impact populations in 3rd world countries - but not in the U.S. with so much and such highly concentrated military power.

307 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:11:34am

BTW thanks for all the tweets last night!

308 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:12:45am

re: #305 RogueOne

They've been investigating it since 2008.

re: #297 Obdicut

I think it is laziness. It happened in South Bend, a major dem stronghold in the state. They shouldn't have had any problems getting more than enough signatures.

I think there were some incidents in Gary as well. Primary voting? I can't remember.

309 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:12:48am

re: #305 RogueOne

If true, they should go to prison for several years, as an example to others.

310 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:13:13am

I'm going to nurse my headache on a pillow.

Have a great morning all!

311 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:15:34am

re: #308 ggt

I think there were some incidents in Gary as well. Primary voting? I can't remember.

Gary is still dirty as hell. I blame chicago!//

312 iossarian  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:16:13am

Morning all.

I realize the original post has long since been superseded by OT discussions of the wonderfulness of coffee, but reading the utterly crazed comments from breitbart.com, I was struck by the resemblance of the content (Islam is a political ideology, Obama is a Muslim socialist atheist communist, liberalism is totalitarianism etc.) to that of redstate.com.

Which I think is relevant, because Redstate has a moderated comment system, doesn't it?

313 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:16:40am

re: #311 RogueOne

Gary is still dirty as hell. I blame chicago!//

I went into Gary only once. My mom had to see a specialist up there for something, and there was absolutely no way she was going into downtown Gary alone, even in the middle of the day. True, I probably wouldn't have been much help in a fight, but at least I look intimidating.

314 Interesting Times  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:16:56am

re: #306 Talking Point Detective

It's possible, but my best guess is that there might be devastating impact regionally in some areas, but not likely globally

This looks pretty global to me! Reminder - the areas in red and orange will not support food crop photosynthesis.

and not likely in a country with as many resources as the U.S. For example, conflict that might arise from food shortages could significantly impact populations in 3rd world countries - but not in the U.S. with so much and such highly concentrated military power.

Industrial agriculture depends on a relatively stable climate, irrigation, and cheap fossil-fuel-based fertilizer. What's going to happen when one, two, or all three of these things fail?

315 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:17:22am

re: #312 iossarian

Morning all.

I realize the original post has long since been superseded by OT discussions of the wonderfulness of coffee, but reading the utterly crazed comments from breitbart.com, I was struck by the resemblance of the content (Islam is a political ideology, Obama is a Muslim socialist atheist communist, liberalism is totalitarianism etc.) to that of redstate.com.

Which I think is relevant, because Redstate has a moderated comment system, doesn't it?

My guess is that any rightwing site that doesn't have a long list of similar comments is heavily moderated.

316 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:17:51am

I have to go empty the fridge.

317 iossarian  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:18:39am

re: #315 Talking Point Detective

My guess is that any rightwing site that doesn't have a long list of similar comments is heavily moderated.

Well, my point was that Redstate is moderated (I think) and although it doesn't quite have the spittle-flecked enthusiasm of the Breitbartians, the same ideas are expressed there.

319 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:22:31am

re: #318 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

8 Minutes To Treat Zimmerman: "He wasn't injured that bad."

Why do you hate white people?///

320 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:22:42am

re: #313 thedopefishlives

I went into Gary only once. My mom had to see a specialist up there for something, and there was absolutely no way she was going into downtown Gary alone, even in the middle of the day. True, I probably wouldn't have been much help in a fight, but at least I look intimidating.

I meant politically dirty but I understand your point, it's a hole.

My home county used to be run the same way, elections were in the bag long before any votes were cast. About 10 years ago there was a federal investigation which brought some g-men to town. This county was so dirty a local cop thought it was a good idea to pull a gun on a federal agent in order to try to stop him from interviewing locals. Amazingly big balls and little brains.

321 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:23:14am

re: #314 Interesting Times

This looks pretty global to me! Reminder - the areas in red and orange will not support food crop photosynthesis.

Industrial agriculture depends on a relatively stable climate, irrigation, and cheap fossil-fuel-based fertilizer. What's going to happen when one, two, or all three of these things fail?

I can't tell what time frame references your graphic. Keep in mind, that as some areas become unavailable for agriculture, other areas currently too cold to grow crops will become available. 'That doesn't help if you're in a small country without a varied climate, but on a country as massive at the U.S., that mitigates the rate at which the total amount of farmable land is decreased.

If change happens at a per century rate at the extreme end of the estimated scale, then maybe 200 years would be enough for massive impact on a global level. Extinction? I'd guess not, but massive on a global level. However, the further you get to the extremes of the sensitivity estimates, the less probable they become.

322 iossarian  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:24:04am

Ha. I went to Redstate to check the comments there and instantly found further evidence to bolster my Interweb Lemma #1: Anyone who uses the word "monies" in a political discussion can be safely assumed to be a raving lunatic.

Dictator Barack Obama has created his own unlawful form of Amnesty via executive memo, has been caught using our tax monies to buy assault rifles for for the illegal alien and drug smuggling crime gangs, and now it appears his documents are forged and his records are missing.

323 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:25:19am

re: #320 RogueOne

I meant politically dirty but I understand your point, it's a hole.

My home county used to be run the same way, elections were in the bag long before any votes were cast. About 10 years ago there was a federal investigation which brought some g-men to town. This county was so dirty a local cop thought it was a good idea to pull a gun on a federal agent in order to try to stop him from interviewing locals. Amazingly big balls and little brains.

I wouldn't be surprised if that had happened in Porter County, where the fish family used to live. I was never happier than when we moved south.

324 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:26:48am

re: #317 iossarian

Well, my point was that Redstate is moderated (I think) and although it doesn't quite have the spittle-flecked enthusiasm of the Breitbartians, the same ideas are expressed there.

Ah - sorry.

Of course, there's different kinds of moderation - but I find it hard to believe that any rightwing sight wouldn't be riddled with the kinds of comments seen at Breitbart or Fox News if they weren't heavily moderated.

325 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:27:25am

re: #321 Talking Point Detective

Extinction in the short term is impossible to figure out but unlikely, but the reduction in population in absolutely catastrophic numbers is almost completely certain.

326 iossarian  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:27:56am

re: #324 Talking Point Detective

Ah - sorry.

Of course, there's different kinds of moderation - but I find it hard to believe that any rightwing sight wouldn't be riddled with the kinds of comments seen at Breitbart or Fox News if they weren't heavily moderated.

Also true.

327 ProdSlash  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:28:44am

re: #50 windupbird is in the gravity well

gun worship is a cult, it has cultists, it has a tribal culture, it has weird off-putting behavior and aggro tough guy power fantasy posturing, delusions of fighting a monolithic enemy

I've recently discovered this to be completely true. I posted a comment in another location about the NRA bearing some of the responsibility for what happened in Sanford. I explained that the law was badly written and would likely allow the shooter to escape prosecution. A good friend of mine descended upon me like a pack of rapid badgers for daring to suggest that the FL SYG law was bad, even though it allows the one to short circuit the judicial process completely. He was genuinely, sincerely angry that I was not on board with the second amendment and self-defense... which had absolutely nothing to do with what I'd written. Gun Nuts are just that.

328 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:30:57am

re: #318 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

8 Minutes To Treat Zimmerman: "He wasn't injured that bad."

Wow! According to that timeline, Zimmerman had approximately one minute to get beaten up so badly that he feared for his life.

329 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:36:28am

LOL

[Link: www.cafepress.co.uk...]

330 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:38:57am

re: #318 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

There is a big assumption in that piece (the FD only worked on one person at a time) that isn't backed up by the police report:
(Page 3)
[Link: media.trb.com...]

331 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:40:07am

onoz
the evil windmill of sharia!
[Link: www.cafepress.co.uk...]

332 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:41:36am

Good morning lizards!

333 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:42:27am

re: #325 Obdicut

Extinction in the short term is impossible to figure out but unlikely, but the reduction in population in absolutely catastrophic numbers is almost completely certain.

Ecosystem adaptation really depends a lot on the rate of change (not only on the total amount of change in temperature in a given period). The impact of .3 per decade is exponentially worse than .2 per decade in terms of adaptability. "Tipping points" are possibilities, but are contingent on a lot of uncertainties. The unknown, unknowns are certainly out there - and they must be figured into any policy analysis. I think that there are a lot of uncertainties involved in predicting global impact on a 200 year time frame. Predicting regional impact, while extremely difficult at a very specific llevel, is what is most certain. The relationship between regional impact and global is a pretty tough call, IMO.

334 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:44:47am

re: #333 Talking Point Detective

Ecosystem adaptation really depends a lot on the rate of change (not only on the total amount of change in temperature in a given period)

I have no idea what you mean by 'ecosystem adaptation'.

The impact of .3 per decade is exponentially worse than .2 per decade in terms of adaptability.

Again-- what do you mean by adaptability? Our ability to adapt, or the ecosystem's ability to adapt? Do you mean in terms of how many species will die, or what?

I think that there are a lot of uncertainties involved in predicting global impact on a 200 year time frame

I agree. However, the likelihood is that unknowns will make things worse, not better.

Predicting regional impact, while extremely difficult at a very specific llevel, is what is most certain.

What's a 'region'?

335 Interesting Times  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:47:51am

re: #321 Talking Point Detective

I can't tell what time frame references your graphic.

It's in the filename - Image: extremetempsin2100.gif

Keep in mind, that as some areas become unavailable for agriculture, other areas currently too cold to grow crops will become available.

How can you be so sure they'll be suitable in other respects, e.g. rainfall, soil quality, etc?

Extinction? I'd guess not, but massive on a global level. However, the further you get to the extremes of the sensitivity estimates, the less probable they become.

Stupid, nihilistic old fools are more than happy to tip the odds.

336 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:51:55am

RE: the initial Sandford police report. I think the prosecutor is going to have a tough time getting around the initial police contact who said:

"...While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman, I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head."
...
"..While the SFD was attending to Zimerman, I over heard him state 'I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me.'"

All of which was before anyone talked to the 2 eye witnesses.

337 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:54:50am

re: #336 RogueOne

One last thing... The police report for the incident lists the offense as "Homicide-Neglig Mansl-Unnecessary killing to prevent unlawful act. Statute 782.11". More evidence the police wanted him arrested pretty much right off the bat.

338 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:55:29am

re: #334 Obdicut

I have no idea what you mean by 'ecosystem adaptation'.

Again-- what do you mean by adaptability? Our ability to adapt, or the ecosystem's ability to adapt? Do you mean in terms of how many species will die, or what?

Migration of animals and plants. At a slower rate of change, migration is to a large extent possible. That isn't to say that migration won't have an impact - it will, but it is possible. At a higher rate of change, migration can't happen, and the result will be extinction. So there's a big difference there on a short-term time frame (on a long time frame there are limits to migration that will result in extinction also). The specific rate of change will significantly impact rates of extinction. And on a 200 year time-scale, the likely impact of short-term natural variability increases greatly, thus introducing a greater "unknown." Again, none of that is reason to not evaluate impact at the extreme end of sensitivity - but it is relevant to the certainty of predictions.

What's a 'region'?

Well, that's a tough question. I don't really have an answer.

By saying that the impact will be greater on a regional scale, I'm saying that the degree of impact will vary across the globe as will the amount of harm caused by the degree of change in various regions.

Not sure if there's another word to use there that would work better, but the issue of regional impact is often discussed w/r/t climate change with essentially that meaning.

339 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:56:15am

re: #336 RogueOne

If Zimmerman walks, it's because of flawed laws (not necessarily SYG). He unnecessarily caused the confrontation which resulted in death. Even if one argues that at the crucial second he was not acting with malice, thinking of it as self-defense, it's still true that he caused the whole situation, to begin with. This should count as manslaughter. I don't know if it can, according to the current laws.

340 Interesting Times  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:56:34am

Lulz:

341 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:56:51am

re: #337 RogueOne

One last thing... The police report for the incident lists the offense as "Homicide-Neglig Mansl-Unnecessary killing to prevent unlawful act. Statute 782.11". More evidence the police wanted him arrested pretty much right off the bat.

Yes, that's like ancient news. But thanks :P

342 Interesting Times  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:58:04am
343 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:58:13am

re: #340 Interesting Times

Lulz:

Ryan sucks.

344 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:58:50am

re: #335 Interesting Times

It's in the filename - Image: extremetempsin2100.gif

What is the rate of temperature change reflected in that graph?

How can you be so sure they'll be suitable in other respects, e.g. rainfall, soil quality, etc?

Good point. I should say "may" become available, not "will" become available.

Stupid, nihilistic old fools are more than happy to tip the odds.

I'm not sure what point you're making with that.

345 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 6:59:58am

re: #338 Talking Point Detective

Migration of animals and plants. At a slower rate of change, migration is to a large extent possible.

What are you talking about? Just area that the stuff grows/lives shifting around? That really isn't how it works. Entire ecosystems just don't creep around based on temperature. There's a lot more to an ecosystem than just temperature, you know. The changing of the rain patterns, the change to the aquifers, the different soil makeup in the areas they'd 'migrate' to-- you're way, way, way oversimplifying that.

By saying that the impact will be greater on a regional scale, I'm saying that the degree of impact will vary across the globe as will the amount of harm caused by the degree of change in various regions.

Well, obviously. But you were talking about the ability to predict on a regional basis. It's no more possible than predicting on a global basis.

346 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:01:05am

re: #341 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Yes, that's like ancient news. But thanks :P

They had said they wanted him charged but now we have it in writing.

347 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:02:13am

re: #346 RogueOne

They had said they wanted him charged but now we have it in writing.

Not "now". For a long time already. I've seen it at least a week ago.

348 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:02:46am

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

The pilot, an 81-year-old man from the Sturgeon Bay area, had suffered a medical emergency and was unconscious. His wife, who was the passenger, was flying the plane.

A certified pilot was able to fly alongside the plane and coach the wife. Just after 6 p.m., her right engine ran out of fuel and lost power.

She was able to land at Door County Cherryland Airport. The wife suffered minor injuries. Her husband was pronounced dead.

349 Interesting Times  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:04:25am

re: #344 Talking Point Detective

What is the rate of temperature change reflected in that graph?

Pretty damn fast on a geological timescale. If it does in fact happen by 2100, we're hosed.

Stupid, nihilistic old fools are more than happy to tip the odds.

I'm not sure what point you're making with that.

It serves to illustrate how deniers oppose not only mitigation, but adaptation (which would be necessary even if you took the "A" out of AGW!) Their stupidity-to-the-point-of-being-indistinguishable-from-malice will get even more people killed (in other words, what mother nature can't fully accomplish, human nature will)

351 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:06:17am

re: #345 Obdicut

What are you talking about?

[Link: motherjones.com...]

Well, obviously. But you were talking about the ability to predict on a regional basis. It's no more possible than predicting on a global basis.

It is easier to predict the range of impact in different parts of the globe than it is to predict the range of impact on a global level.

352 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:10:39am

re: #351 Talking Point Detective

[Link: motherjones.com...]

That link does nothing to address my specific complaint. It is only talking about migration inside climate zones, and doesn't at all address that there may be no suitable area nearby to migrate to for non-climactic reasons.

Do you get that that's my problem with what you're saying?

It is easier to predict the range of impact in different parts of the globe than it is to predict the range of impact on a global level.

No, it isn't, because you'd have to be able to predict the actual global effects, too. And that depends on the interaction of different systems.

353 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:11:24am

re: #349 Interesting Times

Pretty damn fast on a geological timescale. If it does in fact happen by 2100, we're hosed.

I meant what rate of change was the underlying calculus for that graphic depicting predicted temps in 2100? Do you have the link to the source?

It serves to illustrate how deniers oppose not only mitigation, but adaptation (which would be necessary even if you took the "A" out of AGW!) Their stupidity-to-the-point-of-being-indistinguishable-from-malice will get even more people killed (in other words, what mother nature can't fully accomplish, human nature will)

Sure - "deniers" are politically driven, and the facts are basically irrelevant to them.

354 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:11:26am
The priests are prosecution witnesses in the trial of a longtime supervisor in the Philadelphia archdiocese, Monsignor William Lynn. The former secretary for clergy is charged with endangering children by allegedly helping the church cover up abuse complaints.

The Rev. Joseph Okonski told jurors Wednesday that he found a box of pornographic magazines and videos in another priest's bedroom in 1995.

Okonski said he informed his pastor, who did nothing. But he soon called an archdiocesan official after finding the sexually explicit letter to a seventh-grade boy, which purported to be from a classmate and asked if the boy wanted oral sex.

"You are soooo cute. I have been thinking about you for a long time. ... You're the cutest in our grade," the typed letter said.

The author said he fantasized about seeing the boy getting spanked by his father. The boy was told to write "Yes" on a bulletin board at the parish school if he wanted to engage in sex acts with his "secret lover."

The priest admitted writing the letter and soon left the parish, but the next witness said he landed at his rectory, where he worked with altar boys and heard confession.

[Link: www.myfoxphilly.com...]

355 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:11:34am

My property value went way down a few months ago. The county supervisors have rejected the assessment...

The Nelson County Board of Supervisors decided to reject the 2012 reassessment at its meeting Thursday.

This means the county will use 2008 reassessment. Under that assessment, the value of a penny is $267,646. Under the 2012 assessment, a penny would have valued at $199,539.

“I feel strongly that it was done incorrectly,” said Larry Saunders, the South District representative. “There were so many things that were just not done correctly.”

Supervisors rejected the reassessment conducted by Blue Ridge Mass Appraisal, a Staunton-based company, for reasons brought to the board’s attention over the past few months. The decision was announced at a budget workshop meeting after a closed session March 20.

The resolution adopted by the board cites the reasons as:

• Unreasonably wide differences between sale prices and assessed values;

• “Irrationally low values for certain valuable commercial properties;”

• Inconsistent classifications of dwellings within the county, with most classified higher than in past assessments without support;

• Great differences in values between similar properties in the same neighborhoods;

• Certain properties and improvements were assigned a value of zero;

• A large number of landowners did not receive notices of the reassessment values and notices of the appraiser’s recalculated values were sent too late for the landowner to appeals;

• A lack of coordination between the company and the county on the county’s software, contributing to the missing and late notices;

• Some landowners received “dramatically revised” assessment notices without appropriate explanation;

• Some of the errors will take a long time to come to the commissioner of revenue’s attention and some may not be fixable;

Fortunately my property wasn't assessed at zero.

356 Interesting Times  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:17:40am

re: #353 Talking Point Detective

I meant what rate of change was the underlying calculus for that graphic depicting predicted temps in 2100? Do you have the link to the source?

I got the graphic from the dKos piece I linked to my #288. The author in turn got it from this paper:

The main results of this paper are in agreement with those of Clark et al. [2006], indicating that the patterns of modeled changes of extreme temperatures are not an artifact of the particular model used here. Even if corrected for the bias in today’s climate, the projected T100 values point to the importance of dangerously high future temperatures in densely populated areas. For example, projected T100 values far exceed 40C in Southern Europe and the US Midwest by 2090–2100 and even reach 50C in north-eastern India and most of Australia. Such levels receive much too little attention in the current climate change discussion, given the potentially large implications.

357 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:20:25am

re: #352 Obdicut

That link does nothing to address my specific complaint. It is only talking about migration inside climate zones, and doesn't at all address that there may be no suitable area nearby to migrate to for non-climactic reasons.

Do you get that that's my problem with what you're saying?

My point is that predictions about the level of impact by a certain end point are highly contingent upon the rates of change, and that there is fairly wide CI w/r/t sensitivity over a 200-year time span. If you're going to make a prediction about level of global temperature change, you have to associate it with a specific rate of change and discuss where that rate is in the range of probabilities, and even there when you're talking about the relationship between temperatures and impact there is a great deal of uncertainty. Yes, for sure, the questions you raise are among those uncertainties.

No, it isn't, because you'd have to be able to predict the actual global effects, too. And that depends on the interaction of different systems.

I'm not really sure what you're saying here - it seems to me that the logic of what you wrote is completely consistent with the comment you were responding to, yet you're telling me that I'm wrong. I'm not sure that I can add anything that wouldn't essentially repeat the comment you were responding to.

358 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:23:12am

re: #311 RogueOne

Gary is still dirty as hell. I blame chicago!//

But there is a state line between Gary and Chicago. Chicago mobsters never messed with Gary, not wanting to bring the Feds down on their heads. So Gary was always a little Mob Unto Itself.

359 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:23:30am

re: #357 Talking Point Detective

My point is that predictions about the level of impact by a certain end point are highly contingent upon the rates of change, and that there is fairly wide CI w/r/t sensitivity over a 200-year time span.

Sure.

If you're going to make a prediction about level of global temperature change, you have to associate it with a specific rate of change and discuss where that rate is in the range of probabilities, and even there when you're talking about the relationship between temperatures and impact there is a great deal of uncertainty.

Well, yes. So why the detour into adaptability, which would depend on a highly accurate prediction?

I'm not really sure what you're saying here - it seems to me that the logic of what you wrote is completely consistent with the comment you were responding to, yet you're telling me that I'm wrong.

When you say:

Predicting regional impact, while extremely difficult at a very specific llevel, is what is most certain.

You are wrong. Predicting regional impact is no more certain than predicting global impact.

360 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:25:47am

re: #358 Expand Your Ground

But there is a state line between Gary and Chicago. Chicago mobsters never messed with Gary, not wanting to bring the Feds down on their heads. So Gary was always a little Mob Unto Itself.

Nice try! If not for being so close to Chicago Gary could be just like Cleveland....//

361 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:27:18am

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362 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:28:39am

re: #361 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

( •_•)
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Frosty with an AK47?

363 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:28:47am

re: #360 RogueOne

Nice try! If not for being so close to Chicago Gary could be just like Cleveland...//

My grandmother first came to Cleveland when she immigrated, later moved to Gary.

364 darthstar  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:30:06am

Who is Gary Cleveland and why does he live in Chicago?

365 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:33:00am

re: #364 darthstar

Who is Gary Cleveland and why does he live in Chicago?

You'll have to ask Irving Texas.

366 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:33:12am

re: #363 Expand Your Ground

My grandmother first came to Cleveland when she immigrated, later moved to Gary.

I remembered...hence the joke. I'm old, not senile.

367 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:33:35am

re: #365 Expand Your Ground

You'll have to ask Irving Texas.

The guy from Spokane, Arizona? One of the California Texans?

368 darthstar  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:34:01am

re: #366 RogueOne

I remembered...hence the joke. I'm old, not senile.

Don't sell yourself short...you're plenty senile.

369 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:38:20am

re: #356 Interesting Times

I got the graphic from the dKos piece I linked to my #288. The author in turn got it from this paper:

Thanks for the link. It's an interesting post/article: From the post:

It might be easy to dismiss these as "merely extreme" examples on top of a general expectation that average global temperatures will increase by about 3 degrees over the next century. 3 degrees doesn't sound like a lot until you start looking at models for the extreme data. That's where things get ugly.

So as I understand it, they're projecting extreme events (not average temps) at a relatively mid-range 3 degrees per century sensitivity. So then it seems to me that w/r/t the discussion we were having, you have to evaluate the direct connection between the occurrences of extreme events and impact on agriculture. There's an impact, for sure, but there isn't just a straight line you can draw to measure the impact on agricultural production and as a consequence, population. Again, not to diminish the reality that there would be significant impact, but just because such extreme events will occur, it doesn't mean that agricultural production will cease in those regions.

370 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:39:29am

re: #368 darthstar

Don't sell yourself short...you're plenty senile.

Much of what seems senility is just a conscious decision to forget bullshit--trust me.

371 darthstar  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:43:27am

re: #370 Decatur Deb

Much of what seems senility is just a conscious decision to forget bullshit--trust me.

Hm...I want to trust you, but then again...

372 Lidane  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:44:24am

Caribou Barbie still refuses to admit the inevitable:

Palin on Romney: There can still be a shakeup

During her much-buzzed about appearance on the Today Show, Sarah Palin was asked by NBC's Matt Lauer if she was "happy" with Romney.

Palin grimaced, and replied, "Anything is still possible, there can still be a bit of a shakeup, but the numbers are what the numbers are and yeah, he does seem to be, yeah he does appear to be the frontrunner, I've been of the mindset, you know, anybody but Obama will be so much better for our country."

Try showing more enthusiasm next time, Sarah.

373 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:46:00am

re: #372 Lidane

Caribou Barbie still refuses to admit the inevitable:

Palin on Romney: There can still be a shakeup

Try showing more enthusiasm next time, Sarah.

She'd make a perfect Romney VP--The Soulless meets the Mindless.

374 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:48:05am

re: #359 Obdicut

When you say:

You are wrong. Predicting regional impact is no more certain than predicting global impact.

I was speaking to a range of regional impact across various regions. Predicting a specific impact in any one region isn't necessarily more certain (it might be in some areas, like the arctic, and I would imagine it would be less certain in other areas). But I meant that it is easier to predict a range of regional impact particularly on a relatively short-term time reference (drought in some areas, increased rain in others) than to predict global impact (X degree of temperature change globally, Y reduction in agricultural production, globally). I could certainly have written it more clearly.

375 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:49:36am

re: #373 Decatur Deb

She'd make a perfect Romney VP--The Soulless meets the Mindless.

It'd be a perfect storm of derp. (Well, actually, that'd be Santorum/Palin, but we're nitpicking now.)

376 jaunte  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:50:12am

Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission:
Attention to Trayvon Martin Case Just an Effort to 'Gin up the Black Vote' for President Obama

377 darthstar  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:50:38am

re: #372 Lidane

Caribou Barbie still refuses to admit the inevitable:

Palin on Romney: There can still be a shakeup

Try showing more enthusiasm next time, Sarah.

The fact that morning shows are giving her a shot at TV time shows how desperate for attention she is. She'll be whoring herself out to Current TV before long.

378 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:51:05am

re: #377 darthstar

The fact that morning shows are giving her a shot at TV time shows how desperate for attention she is. She'll be whoring herself out to Current TV before long.

Hope they get her a nice driver.

379 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:52:44am

re: #376 jaunte

Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission:
Attention to Trayvon Martin Case Just an Effort to 'Gin up the Black Vote' for President Obama

I've been reading that argument over and over from rightwingers in the blogosphere.

380 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:54:15am

Israel's U.S. envoy: Award to Helen Thomas shows Palestinians aren't ready for peace

Long-time reporter, criticized for her 2010 anti-Israel comments, honored by the PLO's U.S. mission for her defense of the 'Palestinian position every step of the way.'

A decision by the Palestinian mission to the United States to honor journalist Helen Thomas proves the Palestinians inability to meet the "basic requisites of peace," Israel's ambassador to the U.S. Michael Oren said on Tuesday.

Oren, responding to a Sunday ceremony in which Thomas was marked for her support of the "Palestinian position, said he "was appalled by the award ceremony given by the PLO delegation in Washington to Helen Thomas, who has been completely shunned by all decent Americans after making anti-Semitic remarks, along with teaching Palestinian children to hate the Jewish State and to glorify suicide bombers."

"This atrocious act is an indication of the Palestinian Authority’s failure to meet the basic requisites of peace," he added.

She must be so excited.

381 darthstar  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:54:22am

re: #376 jaunte

Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission:
Attention to Trayvon Martin Case Just an Effort to 'Gin up the Black Vote' for President Obama

Well, people like Richard Land can only help in this effort.

382 jaunte  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:54:47am

re: #379 Talking Point Detective

Some people are uncomfortable with so many voters.

383 Sionainn  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:56:43am

re: #376 jaunte

Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission:
Attention to Trayvon Martin Case Just an Effort to 'Gin up the Black Vote' for President Obama

Not surprising. Racists can't imagine why anyone would care about any minority unless there is something in it for them (ulterior motive).

384 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:56:46am

re: #382 jaunte

Some people are uncomfortable with so many voters.

Uncomfortable enough that next, they'll probably claim that Obama invented fake voters. It's the same every election cycle.

385 Gus  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:58:15am

re: #376 jaunte

Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission:
Attention to Trayvon Martin Case Just an Effort to 'Gin up the Black Vote' for President Obama

Image: land%20july%201.jpg

Don't you just love the way these RW assholes skirt the law mixing politics and religion? Yeah, nothing like showing "compassion" as an alleged "man of the cloth." There should be some kind of license requirement for these guys. Perhaps an exam like they give to architects or attorneys.

386 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:59:04am

re: #380 NJDhockeyfan

I bet the award is a little replica of a Qassam rocket covered in gold paint.

387 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 7:59:25am

re: #374 Talking Point Detective

But I meant that it is easier to predict a range of regional impact particularly on a relatively short-term time reference (drought in some areas, increased rain in others) than to predict global impact (X degree of temperature change globally, Y reduction in agricultural production, globally). I could certainly have written it more clearly.

Well, I still don't really know what you're saying, and I have to dive back into work.

388 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 8:00:57am

The sub-reddit on gardening is pretty cool. Lots of cool ideas for balcony/container gardening too.

389 allegro  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 8:09:30am

re: #387 Obdicut

Well, I still don't really know what you're saying, and I have to dive back into work.

After reading the exchange, I found it to be clear. However the factor that I rarely see addressed in such discussions that is the greatest point of environmental concern of which I am aware is air quality. Crop growing, animal/insect/bird migration, etc. isn't really an issue if the methane release that is going on even now poisons the atmosphere to prevent existing biological forms to survive. With the thawing of permafrost these "earth farts" are deadly with extinction level effects.

390 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 8:17:19am

re: #389 allegro

After reading the exchange, I found it to be clear. However the factor that I rarely see addressed in such discussions that is the greatest point of environmental concern of which I am aware is air quality. Crop growing, animal/insect/bird migration, etc. isn't really an issue if the methane release that is going on even now poisons the atmosphere to prevent existing biological forms to survive. With the thawing of permafrost these "earth farts" are deadly with extinction level effects.

The potential tipping point of methane release is certainly huge w/r/t the greenhouse effect. It's interesting, though, that I haven't read anything about the impact of permafrost release of methane as a pollutant (well, the GHG effect is also as a pollutant, but I think you get what I mean). Part of that may be because the permafrost release might be more localize to lightly populated areas, and may not "globalize?' If you have a link, I'd love to read it.

391 Interesting Times  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 8:20:39am

re: #390 Talking Point Detective

The potential tipping point of methane release is certainly huge w/r/t the greenhouse effect...If you have a link, I'd love to read it.

Mass Extinction Caused by Deadly 'Earth Burp'

Micha Ruhl and researchers from the Nordic Center for Earth Evolution at the University of Copenhagen in Denmark have found that the mass extinction of half of Earth's marine life over 200 million years ago was likely the result of a giant release of methane into the atmosphere.

This massive methane "burp" led to an increase in atmospheric temperature around the globe -- and organisms and ecosystems were simply unable adapt to their hotter environment.

And now, we're reproducing those conditions. Yay.

392 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 8:24:05am

I am so tired of Robo calls. Even our cell phones are getting them this cycle.

For that matter, I got a call on my cell phone from "Rachel at Cardholder Services" the other day. Didn't mind that one as much though - unlike the Republican robo calls they're just honest crooks...

393 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 8:25:58am

HuffPo:
'Honey Sex': Israeli Health Ministry Warns Against Dangerous, Sweet Lubricant

For anyone having too sweet a new year, consider yourself warned.

The Israeli Health Ministry is cautioning citizens against a new erotic stimulant known as "Honey Sex."

Israel's Pharmaceutical Crime Unit discovered the tasty item, available in pharmacies and natural food markets, and sent samples to a Jerusalem laboratory, the Jerusalem Post reported.

Scientists tested the "Honey Sex" and discovered the chemical Sildenafil, known as the active ingredient in the erectile disfunction drug Viagra.

From the comments:

Backman
9 Fans
3 hours ago ( 8:31 AM)
Most men already know women from Israel are a waist of time in bed. And I would guest the men are no better.
So men don't waist your time dating Jewish women.
They waist your time in bed and want all your $$$$$$

394 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 8:33:55am

re: #393 NJDhockeyfan

Backman
9 Fans
3 hours ago ( 8:31 AM)
Most men already know women from Israel are a waist of time in bed. And I would guest the men are no better.
So men don't waist your time dating Jewish women.
They waist your time in bed and want all your $$$

A conservative antisemite at huffpo? You don't say...

395 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 8:35:20am

re: #394 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

A conservative antisemite at huffpo? You don't say...

They have a better class of antisemites at Haaretz.

396 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 8:41:00am

re: #393 NJDhockeyfan

HuffPo:
'Honey Sex': Israeli Health Ministry Warns Against Dangerous, Sweet Lubricant

From the comments:

Most men already know women from Israel are a waist of time in bed. And I would guest the men are no better.
So men don't waist your time dating Jewish women.
They waist your time in bed and want all your $$$

When even spellcheck can't cover for a mental midget.

397 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 8:44:18am

re: #396 RayFerd

When even spellcheck can't cover for a mental midget.

"Waist" is spelled correctly, it's just not used correctly.

398 Interesting Times  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 8:49:52am

re: #397 Learned Mother of Zion

"Waist" is spelled correctly, it's just not used correctly.

Only if you use it as a caption for this picture ;)

399 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 8:51:38am

re: #398 Interesting Times

Only if you use it as a caption for this picture ;)

What happens when the alarm goes off?

400 Gus  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 8:52:44am

Bill Maher to appear on the Dana Loesch "show" on CNN...

Michelle Malkin saying that Ann Coulter is part of the war on conservative women...

Today Show host would like to see Sarah Palin back...

A waste is a terrible thing to mind.

401 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 8:56:13am

re: #397 Learned Mother of Zion

"Waist" is spelled correctly, it's just not used correctly.

I no. He just can't seam to use his words correctly even if he spells them correctly. Ewe no what eye am saying.

402 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 8:58:22am

re: #376 jaunte

Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission:
Attention to Trayvon Martin Case Just an Effort to 'Gin up the Black Vote' for President Obama

hmmm, I read somewhere that Zimmerman is a registered Democrat...

403 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 8:59:53am

Former VP Cheney released after heart transplant

WASHINGTON — Former US vice president Dick Cheney was released Tuesday from a Virginia hospital 10 days after heart transplant surgery, his spokeswoman said.

The heart transplant March 25 at Inova Fairfax Hospital in Falls Church, Virginia, was the latest in a series of operations and interventions for Cheney, who has had a long history of heart troubles and who remains a prominent political figure.

Cheney "would like to thank the physicians at Inova Fairfax and George Washington University Hospitals for the outstanding care they have provided," his spokeswoman Kara Ahern said in a statement.

"As he leaves the hospital, the former vice president and his family want to again express their deep gratitude to the donor and the donor's family for this remarkable gift."

At the time of the procedure, Cheney's spokeswoman said he was unaware of who the donor was but that he and his family would "be forever grateful."

Amazing how today you can get a new heart and be out of the hospital in a 9 days.

404 iossarian  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:00:40am

re: #401 RayFerd

I no. He just can't seam to use his words correctly even if he spells them correctly. Ewe no what eye am saying.

He may or may not be an antisemite, but he's definitely a homophone.

405 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:02:23am

French official: Islamist radicals planned to kidnap judge

Preliminary charges are being filed against 13 Islamist radicals in France, a prosecutor announced Tuesday, saying some had been calling for Muslim Shariah law in the country, stashing weapons and hatching plots, one to kidnap a judge.

406 Gus  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:03:45am

So. Any real news this morning?

407 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:07:36am

re: #406 Gus

So. Any real news this morning?

I found a quarter in the washing machine! This was on Sunday, though, so I suppose it doesn't really count.

408 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:07:49am

re: #406 Gus

So. Any real news this morning?

Ozric Tentacles was a very good concert this weekend. Opening band Broccoli Samurai put on a good set also.

409 Gus  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:08:57am

re: #407 Simply Sarah

I found a quarter in the washing machine! This was on Sunday, though, so I suppose it doesn't really count.

Anything! As long as it isn't another Mini-Jihadwatch report. ;)

410 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:08:58am

re: #403 NJDhockeyfan

Former VP Cheney released after heart transplant

Amazing how today you can get a new heart and be out of the hospital in a 9 days.

All it takes is modern insurance companies ... ///

411 jaunte  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:09:43am

re: #406 Gus

Despite gas prices, the auto makers are having a good quarter:

When other automakers report March sales later Tuesday, it is expected to cap the best quarter for auto sales in the United States since early 2008:
[Link: money.cnn.com...]

412 iossarian  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:10:06am

re: #409 Gus

Anything! As long as it isn't another Mini-Jihadwatch report. ;)

BREAKING

Scary-looking youth with worrying skin tone spotted purchasing Mountain Dew at 7-11.

Film later.

413 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:10:23am

re: #411 jaunte

Despite gas prices, the auto makers are having a good quarter:

I wonder if it's the one I found.

414 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:10:55am

re: #406 Gus

So. Any real news this morning?

I took Saturday off (which has happened maybe 5 times in the last 25 years) and had a nice day in the hot sun at a Dutch Oven Cook-Off. The food was great!

Then yesterday it snowed.

415 jaunte  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:12:09am

re: #406 Gus

Also, my son-in-law is safely back from his Afghanistan deployment; got beered heavily in Baltimore last night.

416 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:12:34am

re: #412 iossarian

BREAKING

Scary-looking youth with worrying skin tone spotted purchasing Mountain Dew at 7-11.

Film later.

That was thedopefishlives.

417 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:12:36am

re: #414 wrenchwench

I took Saturday off (which has happened maybe 5 times in the last 25 years) and had a nice day in the hot sun at a Dutch Oven Cook-Off. The food was great!

Then yesterday it snowed.

I vaguely recall this snow thing. I believe it was something we at one point would get during the winter here in New England.

418 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:13:05am

re: #412 iossarian

BREAKING

Scary-looking youth with worrying skin tone spotted purchasing Mountain Dew at 7-11.

Film later.

I already feel threatened. Good thing I live in a SYG state.

419 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:14:10am

re: #418 Renaissance_Man

I already feel threatened. Good thing I live in a SYG state.

You will not budge from the Slurpee machine!

420 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:14:13am

Most wanted names of terror world

421 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:17:27am

re: #406 Gus

So. Any real news this morning?

The meaningless Wisconsin primary is today. Mittens will win & I'll stop getting robo calls until we get close to the Recall primary in May.

The only races I'm interested in is a couple of local messy school board races and a contested judge race. Those are the joys of spring elections around here.

422 Gus  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:18:20am

re: #421 William Barnett-Lewis

The meaningless Wisconsin primary is today. Mittens will win & I'll stop getting robo calls until we get close to the Recall primary in May.

The only races I'm interested in is a couple of local messy school board races and a contested judge race. Those are the joys of spring elections around here.

Maybe that windbag Gingrich will drop-out today? Probably not.

423 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:19:09am

re: #422 Gus

Maybe that windbag Gingrich will drop-out today? Probably not.

You forget that his objective is no longer to win.

It is to make Romney lose.

So very presidential of him.

424 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:20:06am

re: #422 Gus

Maybe that windbag Gingrich will drop-out today? Probably not.

Well, his daddy warbucks is cutting off the sugar supply so I have some hope. Then it'll just be Etch-a-sketch and Torquemada Jr.

425 Gus  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:20:35am

re: #423 Mostly sane, most of the time.

You forget that his objective is no longer to win.

It is to make Romney lose.

So very presidential of him.

Mr. Personality. No wonder he's on his 3rd wife.

426 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:21:27am

re: #406 Gus

So. Any real news this morning?

Sarah Palin probably said something stupid.

427 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:21:48am

re: #415 jaunte

Also, my son-in-law is safely back from his Afghanistan deployment; got beered heavily in Baltimore last night.

Hooray!

428 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:22:27am

re: #426 Killgore Trout

Sarah Palin probably said something stupid.

He asked about news.
/

429 Gus  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:22:56am

re: #428 Simply Sarah

He asked about news.
/

Yeah. That's more like a weather report.

//

430 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:23:00am

If I download Angry Birds Space, it has access to storage, phone calls, network communication, and my location.

My location.

Should I watch the skies? Or just build a bunker of wood and metal with concrete blocks and TNT on top?

431 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:23:15am

S.F. Occupy activists evicted from building

Police on Monday evicted and arrested nearly 80 Occupy activists who had taken over an empty San Francisco building the night before and had stockpiled bricks and supplies with the apparent intention of staying long-term.

Officers in riot gear stormed the two-story building at 888 Turk St. at about 1:15 p.m. after tearing down a barricade protesters built to block the main entrance, said police spokesman Sgt. Michael Andraychak.

The building, which is owned by the Catholic Archdiocese of San Francisco, has been used as a music education facility by the archdiocese-associated nearby Sacred Heart Cathedral High School.

432 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:23:35am

re: #429 Gus

Yeah. That's more like a weather report.

//

It's a bit like saying the sun rose this morning.

433 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:24:11am

re: #420 NJDhockeyfan

Most wanted names of terror world

Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, the man blamed for organising the 2008 terror attacks in Mumbai, may have to think twice before he brazenly moves around in Pakistan and delivers hate speeches against America and India. The United States has offered a $10 million reward for the militant leader who makes frequent public appearances in Pakistan.

Under a scheme called Rewards for Justice, the United States pays out bounties for information leading to the arrest and conviction of a named suspect.

I think there's very little chance of him being arrested since the Pakistanis don't seem interested. I'm thinking he'll probably get droned.

434 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:25:04am

re: #426 Killgore Trout

Sarah Palin probably said something stupid.

I caught the MSNBC interview. She did not really say anything stupid, but for that she did not say anything of substance.

435 Gus  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:25:54am

College Gunman Reportedly Lined Up Victims

OAKLAND, Calif. — The former nursing student who the authorities say fatally shot seven people and wounded three others at a religious college had lined his victims up before shooting them, Oakland’s police chief said Tuesday.

436 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:26:11am

re: #430 Mostly sane, most of the time.

If I download Angry Birds Space, it has access to storage, phone calls, network communication, and my location.

My location.

Should I watch the skies? Or just build a bunker of wood and metal with concrete blocks and TNT on top?

Depends. Do you have any eggs in your fridge???

//

437 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:26:30am

re: #434 Expand Your Ground

I caught the MSNBC interview. She did not really say anything stupid, but for that she did not say anything of substance.

From what I've seen she also seems to have developed a sense of humor about herself. That had to take a lot of coaching.

438 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:27:28am

re: #436 William Barnett-Lewis

Depends. Do you have any eggs in your fridge???

//

Yup, strategically flawed bunker it is.

439 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:30:28am

re: #435 Gus

College Gunman Reportedly Lined Up Victims

OAKLAND, Calif. — The former nursing student who the authorities say fatally shot seven people and wounded three others at a religious college had lined his victims up before shooting them, Oakland’s police chief said Tuesday.

If even one of them had been armed? Only one dead then. Or if they had all rushed him rather than "going along" with his demands? It's like those armed robberies where they herd the workers and customers in back to kill the witnesses.

It's a horrible cliche but this really is a case of the cops being only minutes away when seconds count.

440 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:30:31am

re: #435 Gus

College Gunman Reportedly Lined Up Victims

OAKLAND, Calif. — The former nursing student who the authorities say fatally shot seven people and wounded three others at a religious college had lined his victims up before shooting them, Oakland’s police chief said Tuesday.

I heard that this morning. How horrifying.

441 iossarian  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:30:55am

re: #429 Gus

Yeah. That's more like a weather report.

//

A weather report in County Cork. "Current weather: rain. Forecast: rain later. Also, Sarah Palin will say something stupid."

442 iossarian  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:32:39am

re: #440 NJDhockeyfan

I heard that this morning. How horrifying.

I've had the fun task of telling foreign students that they aren't cutting it, and will be asked to leave unless they're magically able to learn to speak English in the next two weeks.

Fortunately that was in places with strict gun controls.

But allowing people to bring guns onto campus is a real smart idea and one with no downside.

/

443 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:35:24am

re: #442 iossarian

I've had the fun task of telling foreign students that they aren't cutting it, and will be asked to leave unless they're magically able to learn to speak English in the next two weeks.

Fortunately that was in places with strict gun controls.

But allowing people to bring guns onto campus is a real smart idea and one with no downside.

/

They need a school marshal program. I would use student volunteers--except that you couldn't volunteer. You'd have to be asked based on the fact that you've shown stability, responsibility, and ability.

Also, the best candidates would be students who would be praying that they'd never, ever have to use the gun they were allowed to bring.

444 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:37:19am

re: #439 William Barnett-Lewis

If even one of them had been armed? Only one dead then. Or if they had all rushed him rather than "going along" with his demands? It's like those armed robberies where they herd the workers and customers in back to kill the witnesses.

It's a horrible cliche but this really is a case of the cops being only minutes away when seconds count.

Well, it's easy to say that in retrospect. Most often you're better off just going along with the nut with the gun/explosive/whatever. Just that sometimes you're not and in hindsight you can say it would have been best to fight back. It's just that if you tried to apply that in all cases, you'd probably cause an even greater number of deaths in the long term from escalating things into physical violence.

445 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:39:51am

80-year-old woman lands plane after pilot passes out in midair: report

An 80-year-old Wisconsin woman took control of a small airplane and managed to make a miraculous landing after her pilot husband passed out in midflight — and later died, local authorities said.

Door County police told local station WLUK that the unidentified couple was soaring in a twin-engine Cessna above Sturgeon Bay, some 50 miles north of Green Bay, at around 5 p.m. Monday when the pilot lost consciousness.

"[His wife] took over the aircraft," Door County Sheriff Terry Vogel told the station. "She's not a licensed pilot and has very little [experience] flying an aircraft."

The woman radioed for help, and a short time later, she was forced to make an emergency landing because the plane ran out of fuel and one of the engines failed.

Police scrambled to get a local pilot in the air and in radio contact with the inexperienced flyer, Vogel said.

"We got him up into an aircraft and he felt it was easier for him to give her instructions, for him to determine for instance, her speed in the air and to instruct how to successfully land that aircraft," Vogel told WLUK.

Eventually, the pilot was able to coach the woman into landing the plane — though witnesses said it was touch-and-go on the way down.

446 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:41:10am

re: #439 William Barnett-Lewis

If even one of them had been armed? Only one dead then.

Or more, if the return fire had killed bystanders.

448 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:44:22am

re: #10 Hoodies for Justice. T

Trayvon and his GF

He is not a threatening person.

I kind of wish they hadn't put that up. What the haters will say about that poor girl....shit.

449 Gus  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:47:24am

I can't think of an answer for these things.

450 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:48:46am

re: #84 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I know lots of Scottish-Americans and Swedish-Americans and Czech-Americans who are proud of their heritage. (Especially the Scots. They are insane.) Why shouldn't having Kenyan heritage be something to be proud of?

It is...my friend's niece, who is with the Peace Corps in Mali, is Kenyan on her mom's side, and damn proud of it.

But when it's applied to Obama by these charmers, it's decidedly meant as a suggestion that he's not a real American because his father was African.

Also, as you say, "Allende" is clearly meant to be threatening.

451 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:49:22am

re: #90 Mostly sane, most of the time.

It is sad that he can't be as proud of his heritage as the Scots who can explain their exact tartan, and play the bagpipes, and go and toss cabers.

I find that very sad.

Or that he can't celebrate it as openly as he does his Irish roots.

452 Gus  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:49:37am

Zimmerman defender rants about ‘young black males’

...

“Neighbor-hood, that’s a great word,” Taaffe said, chuckling. “We had eight burglaries in our neighborhood, all perpetrated by young black males in the 15 months prior to Trayvon being shot.”

“How many of those cases did they arrest people?” O’Brien wondered. “How many of those cases were people actually convicted.”

“One that I know of where the perpetrator was apprehended,” Taaffe admitted. “The young black male went in during the daytime just two houses down from where my my place was.”

“It sounds like you are saying that it made sense to you that George Zimmerman would be fearful of young black men,” O’Brien observed.

“No, it would be consistent that the perpetrators were all of the young black male ID,” Taaffe explained. “All of the perpetrators of the prior burglaries were young black males. … You know, there’s an old saying that if you plant corn, you get corn.”

...

453 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:50:22am

re: #96 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

Seriously? Most European areas have had their local folk dress style for ages, but not the tartans?

The costume's traditional, well, sort of, but the "this one is only for MacGregors" is marketing. Used to be that there were just local traditional patterns.

454 Gus  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:50:25am

re: #446 Obdicut

Or more, if the return fire had killed bystanders.

At this point then everyone wearing a hoodie and carrying a bag of Skittles on college campuses would be in danger.

455 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:51:41am

re: #452 Gus

Zimmerman defender rants about ‘young black males’

You know, there’s an old saying that if you plant corn, you get corn.

There's also an old saying, "go fuck yerself."

456 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:52:12am

re: #446 Obdicut

Or more, if the return fire had killed bystanders.

While lined up waiting to be executed?

457 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:52:15am

re: #450 SanFranciscoZionist

It is...my friend's niece, who is with the Peace Corps in Mali, is Kenyan on her mom's side, and damn proud of it.

But when it's applied to Obama by these charmers, it's decidedly meant as a suggestion that he's not a real American because his father was African.

Also, as you say, "Allende" is clearly meant to be threatening.

Let's just hope the Secret Service stay on the top of their game, because the hardcore RWNJs seem like they're a re-election away from trying to do President Obama and family real harm.

Mean, evil people suck...

458 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:53:47am

The cleaning crew was supposed to be here at 10:00 and they haven't shown up yet. I called the service and the service said they are waiting for a callback.

Starting to worry now.

459 Gus  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:54:38am

re: #456 William Barnett-Lewis

While lined up waiting to be executed?

I would want a gun at that point. But of course looking at CCW as an option would mean granting CCWs for the population of Oakland. Imagine if you will...

460 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:56:55am

re: #457 talon_262

Let's just hope the Secret Service stay on the top of their game, because the hardcore RWNJs seem like they're a re-election away from trying to do President Obama and family real harm.

Mean, evil people suck...

I think the Secret Service has been on top of this since before he was elected, and I have great confidence that they will do all that can be humanly done to keep Obama, and perhaps even more importantly, his family*, safe.

*Yes, he's technically more important to the nation, but the girls didn't sign up for this shit. I prioritize them.

461 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:57:23am

re: #458 Learned Mother of Zion

The cleaning crew was supposed to be here at 10:00 and they haven't shown up yet. I called the service and the service said they are waiting for a callback.

Starting to worry now.

Do they realize that by doing this less than a week before Pesach, they are placing themselves in grave danger?

462 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:59:06am

re: #459 Gus

I would want a gun at that point. But of course looking at CCW as an option would mean granting CCWs for the population of Oakland. Imagine if you will...

Well considering I feel California should be required, by the US Constitution, to be a "shall issue" state, I'd consider it a good thing for the poor and the minority to have the same ability to defend themselves and their families as the rich and famous do.

463 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:59:14am

re: #461 SanFranciscoZionist

Do they realize that by doing this less than a week before Pesach, they are placing themselves in grave danger?

They probably have another Pesach cleaning job before mine. :(

I have already emptied the fridge, removed all the burners, emptied the cabinets (at least the ones I am planning to use for the holiday), cleared the counters.

I am not going to do any of the heavy scrubbing! That's why I'm paying the big bucks!

464 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 9:59:32am

re: #456 William Barnett-Lewis

While lined up waiting to be executed?

Yeah. One of them could have been hit by someone trying to shoot him while he was lining them up.

I'm sorry, but any time there is an idea that a gun could have been used to successfully defeat some maniac or criminal, it should really, really be remembered that people aren't perfect shots.

465 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 10:00:01am

I have to leave in 1/2 hour to get my ID and parking tag for my new seekrit job that I'm starting next week.

466 Kronocide  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 10:01:57am

re: #452 Gus

Oh come on Taafe. Just say it: f*** c***s.

467 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 10:01:59am

re: #464 Obdicut

Yeah. One of them could have been hit by someone trying to shoot him while he was lining them up.

I'm sorry, but any time there is an idea that a gun could have been used to successfully defeat some maniac or criminal, it should really, really be remembered that people aren't perfect shots.

There was one time a mass killing at a church was prevented by someone who was carrying. But this person was a trained security guard, not some random cowboy.

The church became very subdued in its praise of this heroine once they found out she was gay.

468 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 10:02:58am

re: #464 Obdicut

Yeah. One of them could have been hit by someone trying to shoot him while he was lining them up.

I'm sorry, but any time there is an idea that a gun could have been used to successfully defeat some maniac or criminal, it should really, really be remembered that people aren't perfect shots.

That's true, but I won't stand by and simply die because of that nor would I be willing to allow someone else to die because of that. I do not think anyone should.

469 iossarian  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 10:05:15am

re: #467 Learned Mother of Zion

There was one time a mass killing at a church was prevented by someone who was carrying. But this person was a trained security guard, not some random cowboy.

The church became very subdued in its praise of this heroine once they found out she was gay.

I remember that one - wasn't it down in Texas?

470 iossarian  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 10:07:20am

re: #468 William Barnett-Lewis

That's true, but I won't stand by and simply die because of that nor would I be willing to allow someone else to die because of that. I do not think anyone should.

Assume, for now, that I could prove to you that restricting gun sales would reduce your odds of being killed by a gun by 50% over the course of your lifetime.

Would that be a good reason to curtail the sale of guns, or would you prefer to double your risk of death so that you can be holding a gun "just in case"?

471 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 10:08:36am

re: #469 iossarian

I remember that one - wasn't it down in Texas?

Colorado. One of the big mega-churches.

472 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 10:08:57am

re: #468 William Barnett-Lewis

That's true, but I won't stand by and simply die because of that nor would I be willing to allow someone else to die because of that. I do not think anyone should.

Huh? I'm just pointing out that asserting that if someone else there had been armed the death toll would have been smaller isn't necessarily true.

473 sagehen  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 10:09:00am

re: #469 iossarian

I remember that one - wasn't it down in Texas?

Colorado.

474 Shvaughn  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 10:09:55am

re: #472 Obdicut

Huh? I'm just pointing out that asserting that if someone else there had been armed the death toll would have been smaller isn't necessarily true.

Somehow whenever there is a gun-related crime, the solution is always "more guns."

475 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 10:10:09am

re: #470 iossarian

Assume, for now, that I could prove to you that restricting gun sales would reduce your odds of being killed by a gun by 50% over the course of your lifetime.

Would that be a good reason to curtail the sale of guns, or would you prefer to double your risk of death so that you can be holding a gun "just in case"?

Yes no maybe. "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

476 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 10:10:16am

Whoa, that was fast.

477 iossarian  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 10:12:18am

re: #475 William Barnett-Lewis

Yes no maybe. "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

I don't see why that's an unfair question - it seems pretty straightforward that if curtailing gun sales reduces your chance of dying via gunfire, you would want to curtail gun sales, all else being equal.

478 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 10:17:30am

The shooting disaster in which Gabrielle Giffords was wounded was almost made worse by an armed bystander. Someone had picked up Jared Loughner's gun and was waving it around, and a man who just came out of the Safeway almost shot him, thinking he had been the shooter. Instead, other guys tackled the gun waver and took it away from him.

479 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 10:19:59am

re: #464 Obdicut

Yeah. One of them could have been hit by someone trying to shoot him while he was lining them up.

I'm sorry, but any time there is an idea that a gun could have been used to successfully defeat some maniac or criminal, it should really, really be remembered that people aren't perfect shots.

And when the cops do show up they have to pick out the 'real' shooter from the 10+ other people running around firing shots.

480 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 10:22:40am

re: #469 iossarian

I remember that one - wasn't it down in Texas?

Colorado.

481 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 3, 2012 10:25:00am

re: #430 Mostly sane, most of the time.

If you looked at most of the permissions on phone apps, you'd wonder why any of the them need to know any/all of the information they're requesting.

It's one thing for a map app to want to know your location and read/write to your SD card. It's another for a game to know your location and access your address book.

But data mining is how everyone makes (or hopes to make) money. Only way around it is not to get the apps or to police your data tightly.


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