Fear the Vetting! Breitbart.com Editor Joel Pollak’s Latest Bombshell Exclusive

Vetting the bed again
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Diligently working night and day to do the vetting the mainstream media refuses to do (because they’re IN ON IT), breitbart.com editor Joel Pollak has released a new BOMBSHELL EXCLUSIVE report on Barack Obama’s evil plots.

Well, actually, it’s not really about an evil plot. It’s a document that shows Obama graduated from Columbia University in 1983.

Which everyone already knew.

The Vetting - Exclusive Document Debunks Myth About Obama’s Columbia Years!

It’s almost cute how Pollak pumps up this total non-story, almost managing to make it seem as if breitbart.com is doing real journalism.

The image above—never before released—is from public records at Columbia University that prove that Obama did, in fact, graduate in 1983 from the Ivy League school. Contrary to some conspiracy theories, Obama was a student within the Faculty of Arts and Sciences—not the less selective, “nontraditional” Columbia University School of General Studies (which only merged with the Faculty of Arts and Sciences in 1990).

This never-before-seen document debunks a persistent myth that is unfairly unfavorable to the President.

Some “fact-checking” websites—such as snopes.com and FactCheck.org—have attempted to debunk the “Obama never graduated Columbia” conspiracy theory before. Yet they have relied almost entirely on secondary sources and mainstream media reports, which fail to cite primary sources. And the Obama campaign has not provided details of his admission to, or graduation from, the prestigious Ivy League school.

Crucially, Obama has refused to release his college transcripts from Columbia and Occidental College, which certainly do exist. Other candidates—such as George W. Bush—released their transcripts, though their grades were not necessarily flattering.

The mainstream media has clamored for, and investigated, and leaked information about other presidential candidates. But not Barack Obama—not in 2008, and not now. …

As more and more information about Obama emerges—through Breitbart News and other New Media sources, left and right—the failing mainstream media look more and more foolish, reduced to beatifying the president instead of reporting what he and his administration have done to this country.

Yes, that’s right; Pollak is congratulating himself on “debunking a myth” that circulates only on the fringes of the conspiracy-minded right wing, a myth that no sane person in America believes. A myth that needs no debunking, because it’s batshit loony from square one.

Devastating.

UPDATE at 5/19/12 12:28:52 pm

By the way, Pollak is flat wrong when he says George W. Bush released his Yale transcripts. In the real world, Bush tried to prevent the transcripts from getting out, but they were leaked to The New Yorker.

The fail is strong in Joel Pollak.

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407 comments
1 [deleted]  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:24:46pm
2 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:26:31pm

thanks for helping destroy your party, guys

Can we just eliminate the GOP as a party and keep the internet crazies like pets? They can trade obama conspiracy theories, dig holes in the yard and chase tennis balls

what's that, fido? You say the fringe on the flag means it's not real and Obama is a muslim? good boy!

3 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:29:06pm

By the way, Pollak also happens to be flat wrong when he says George W. Bush released his college transcripts. In the real world, Bush tried to prevent the transcripts from getting out, but they were leaked to The New Yorker.

The fail is strong in Joel Pollak.

4 Lidane  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:33:15pm

Next thing you know, they'll report that Barack Obama really did go to Harvard Law School and really did teach at the University of Chicago.

Eventually, they might even discover that he was born in Hawaii and that he is, in fact, a citizen.

5 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:34:20pm

re: #4 Lidane

Next thing you know, they'll report that Barack Obama really did go to Harvard Law School and really did teach at the University of Chicago.

Eventually, they might even discover that he was born in Hawaii and that he is, in fact, a citizen.

can't be, he's a black guy

they were all born in kenya


"Why can't we just have a white supremacist theocracy?"

-The Republican party

6 Lidane  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:37:43pm

Sorry to go OT so soon, but this just happened:

BREAKING: NAACP Endorses Marriage Equality

7 jaunte  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:39:58pm

"Vetting" (muckraking) is hard when you have to find fresh muck every day.

8 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:40:36pm

This is good news for John McCain.

9 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:43:19pm

re: #8 May Day! May Day!

This is good news for John McCain.

it never gets old :D

10 TavernWench  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:43:45pm

The "Bush released his college records" crap is one of those zombie lies that will not die.

11 Varek Raith  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:45:40pm

BREAKING! BREITBART EXCLUSIVE! THE SKY IS BLUE!

12 Talking Point Detective  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:45:54pm

In other news, the conspiracy theory that Obama is a secret alien from another planet sent here to destroy the human race has also been "debunked."

13 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:46:37pm

re: #6 Lidane

Sorry to go OT so soon, but this just happened:

BREAKING: NAACP Endorses Marriage Equality

Yes, but I have it on good authority that Obama threw away the black vote when he came out on marriage equality. November is Romney's to lose!

///

14 Obdicut  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:49:46pm

re: #10 TavernWench

The "Bush released his college records" crap is one of those zombie lies that will not die.

Another wench? If this keeps up we're going to be hip-deep in wenches around here.

Are you a bartender, or just a habitue of taverns?

15 Talking Point Detective  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:51:17pm

re: #13 Targetpractice

Yes, but I have it on good authority that Obama threw away the black vote when he came out on marriage equality. November is Romney's to lose!

///

What's funny about that is that many church-goers oppose marriage equality. What's the reason why people feel it necessary to specify their race? Older people also oppose marriage equality. What % of black youth oppose same-sex marriage?

Please also note that black voters turned out in huge numbers to vote for Obama even as the majority of those voting for Obama also supported Proposition 8.

16 TavernWench  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:53:24pm

re: #14 Obdicut

I am both a bartender and a habitue of taverns. :-) Wenches of the world, unite!

17 Lidane  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:54:12pm

re: #14 Obdicut

Another wench? If this keeps up we're going to be hip-deep in wenches around here.

Better to be hip deep in wenches than hip deep in child support payments.

In other Breitbart-style news, Joel Pollak is a tool, water is wet, bears are Catholic, and the Pope...well, you know the rest.

18 wrenchwench  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:55:00pm

re: #10 TavernWench

Welcome, hatchling Wench!

19 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:55:07pm

re: #15 Talking Point Detective

What's funny about that is that many church-goers oppose marriage equality. What's the reason why people feel it necessary to specify their race? Older people also oppose marriage equality. What % of black youth oppose same-sex marriage?

Please also note that black voters turned out in huge numbers to vote for Obama even as the majority of those voting for Obama also supported Proposition 8.

The assumption, for the most part, is that Obama "threw away" the black and hispanic vote by supporting gay marriage, which "traditional knowledge" says doesn't go over well with the black and hispanic voters who tend to be more religious. The unspoken hope is that those votes will, if not stay home, then go to the Republicans in order to "defend" marriage.

20 TavernWench  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:55:30pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

Thank you, fellow wench! Happy to be here!

21 funky chicken  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:56:25pm

re: #2 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

thanks for helping destroy your party, guys

Can we just eliminate the GOP as a party and keep the internet crazies like pets? They can trade obama conspiracy theories, dig holes in the yard and chase tennis balls

what's that, fido? You say the fringe on the flag means it's not real and Obama is a muslim? good boy!

My dogs are actually fun and happy. The Breitbart kiddies aren't qualified to be pets, IMO.

22 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:57:31pm

re: #16 TavernWench

I am both a bartender and a habitue of taverns. :-) Wenches of the world, unite!

Would you be rich and a widow?

23 Obdicut  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:57:48pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

I actually found, when researching this, that Hispanics favor gay marriage more than both blacks and whites. I don't have any particular explanation for this, except that they tend to be Catholic more than Protestant, and-- church hierarchy aside-- Catholics tend to believe in strong separation of Church and State.

24 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:57:52pm

You go Pollak.//

25 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 12:59:43pm

re: #23 Obdicut

I actually found, when researching this, that Hispanics favor gay marriage more than both blacks and whites. I don't have any particular explanation for this, except that they tend to be Catholic more than Protestant, and-- church hierarchy aside-- Catholics tend to believe in strong separation of Church and State.

It's my understanding from reading an article about Latinos and marriage equality that many seem to see it as an extension of how important family is to the Latino community. That is to say, perhaps they see homosexuality as a sin but they won't turn their back on a gay friend or relative either and want to wish them the same respect under the law. Your theory works too because Catholics do tend to believe in strong separation of church and state as you said.

26 b_sharp  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:00:04pm

It's interesting that this debunking is in favour of Obama instead of the usual vilification of Obama. Sounds like Breitbart.com is exercising its 'fairness' muscles, a bit of journalistic kegeling as it were.

27 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:00:22pm

re: #23 Obdicut

I actually found, when researching this, that Hispanics favor gay marriage more than both blacks and whites. I don't have any particular explanation for this, except that they tend to be Catholic more than Protestant, and-- church hierarchy aside-- Catholics tend to believe in strong separation of Church and State.

I'm noticed much the same in my research, while black voters for the most part haven't allowed Obama's change of heart to affect their support of him. But what we have on the other hand are Republicans desperate too, if not win support of black and hispanic voters, then to "neutralize" them at the polls.

28 TavernWench  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:01:30pm

re: #22 Decatur Deb

Only rich in spirit! Or is that spirits?

29 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:02:15pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

I'm noticed much the same in my research, while black voters for the most part haven't allowed Obama's change of heart to affect their support of him. But what we have on the other hand are Republicans desperate too, if not win support of black and hispanic voters, then to "neutralize" them at the polls.

I think that's the hope. One that I think is guided by delusions. Personally, I think the president did a great job of explaining why he and many other Americans support marriage equality. He showed that it's at its core an issue about our fellow human beings. Meanwhile Romney's been going to Liberty and pandering to the anti gay bigots.

30 Ming  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:02:45pm

re: #4 Lidane

Next thing you know, they'll report that Barack Obama really did go to Harvard Law School and really did teach at the University of Chicago.

If they report that Barack Obama taught at the University of Chicago Law School (I think for ten years, part-time), they would have to admit that he had a "real job", contrary to what they've been saying.

31 b_sharp  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:03:53pm

I'm thinking of changing my nic to:

WenchBench.

What do you think?

32 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:05:30pm

re: #6 Lidane

Sorry to go OT so soon, but this just happened:

BREAKING: NAACP Endorses Marriage Equality

Wheeee! Rights are rights. It's the haters that tried to pit black people against it, through and through.

33 dragonfire1981  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:05:57pm

I find it fascinating that there's all this brouhaha about candidates who apparently refuse to release college transcripts.

As I understand it, college transcripts are NOT Public Records and can therefore only be released if the person connected to the transcripts allows them to.

If I were running for office, I would probably release my own transcripts. I pulled in a decent GPA and I'm not ashamed that I didn't do particularly well in certain classes. It was my own fault and I accept responsibility for the low quality of my work in those courses.

Having said that, I don't think any candidate should be required to release their transcripts.

For me personally, I consider myself more responsible and more educated now than I did when I was in college (should be obvious really). Why then, does it make sense for anyone to run me down for not being the most mature responsible student in my early 20s??

34 funky chicken  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:08:49pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

I agree. I just don't think that many people are as terrified of the ghey menace as the GOP believes, even among their own primary voters. Santorum and Gingrich vilified the gheys and performed poorly. I can't imagine why anybody would think this issue would win the GOP extra votes in a general election.

35 Talking Point Detective  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:11:50pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

The assumption, for the most part, is that Obama "threw away" the black and hispanic vote by supporting gay marriage, which "traditional knowledge" says doesn't go over well with the black and hispanic voters who tend to be more religious. The unspoken hope is that those votes will, if not stay home, then go to the Republicans in order to "defend" marriage.

Yes - I know the "assumption."

But my point is that it's a stupid assumption. There is a strong connection between majority black opinion on gay marriage and the level of church-going in the black community. It's a religious thing not a race thing. And the voting history in California tells us that it's quite possible for black voters to oppose same sex marriage and support Obama. Yes, they really are sophisticated enough to separate the issues (shocking, I know), and while there might be a tiny number of highly religious blacks who might be affected by Obama's change of stance on same-sex marriage, anyone who thinks it will make a significant difference has not a fucking clue about what motivates the majority of black voters.

36 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:13:35pm

re: #34 funky chicken

I agree. I just don't think that many people are as terrified of the ghey menace as the GOP believes, even among their own primary voters. Santorum and Gingrich vilified the gheys and performed poorly. I can't imagine why anybody would think this issue would win the GOP extra votes in a general election.

It's a losing issue in the long run for them. Hopefully if Obama wins this time will show them that and they'll finally ditch the religious right.

37 Talking Point Detective  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:15:48pm

re: #35 Talking Point Detective

Those blacks who are "concerned" about Obama's stance on same sex marriage weren't going to vote for him in the first place

I mean, seriously, someone who previously voted Democratic because of Dems position relative to Repubs on a whole raft of issues is going to change their voting behavior because he switched from basically neutral on same sex marriage to a supporter?

Mind-numbingly stupid.

38 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:16:58pm

re: #35 Talking Point Detective

It's a religious thing not a race thing.

The fact remains that blacks are the most religious minority in the United States.

39 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:21:14pm

re: #37 Talking Point Detective

The Republicans think the Culture War tactics that worked well on Southern and Evangelical/Racist Whites will work on African Americans and Hispanics.

Fortunately for sanity, these two groups are more than a little cynical about Republican Outreach.

40 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:22:11pm

re: #31 Ghost of Insanity

I'm thinking of changing my nic to:

WenchBench.

What do you think?

Avatar:

Image: bierdienerin__oktoberfest7221.jpg

41 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:25:56pm

re: #40 Decatur Deb

Avatar:

Image: bierdienerin__oktoberfest7221.jpg

Thanks, but you should have ordered a couple for yourself too!!
//

42 Kragar  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:25:59pm

The GOP's hope relies on single issue voters rejecting Obama.

Good luck with that.

43 b_sharp  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:27:26pm

re: #40 Decatur Deb

Avatar:

Image: bierdienerin__oktoberfest7221.jpg

I prefer this one.

44 goddamnedfrank  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:27:28pm
In 2007, the former Massachusetts governor told an audience in College Station, Texas, "I saw my father march with Martin Luther King." But as David Bernstein reported, that wasn't quite right. There was no evidence of Romney’s father, George, marching with MLK at Grosse Pointe, Michigan, as the campaign had claimed; for one thing, MLK had never been to Grosse Pointe. The campaign later clarified that George Romney and MLK had marched together in a metaphorical sense—they were in different cities, and the marches took place on different days—and that Mitt (who was not present for either event) had seen his father march in a metaphorical sense as well. Romney’s justice advisory committee includes failed Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork, who has written that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 established "a principle of unsurpassed ugliness."

Reminds me of how I used to roll with Sir Mix a Lot, in the metaphorical sense that my posse was also on Broadway.

45 b_sharp  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:27:43pm

re: #41 sattv4u2

Thanks, but you should have ordered a couple for yourself too!!
//

Zactly.

46 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:28:19pm

re: #33 dragonfire1981

It's an outcrop of the Birther business, the theory that Obama's got something to hide in his transcripts and that's why he's refusing to release them. One of the leading theories, as least the one I've run into most often, is that he registered under a different name and nationality. It's supposed to be an extension of their theory that he renounced his citizenship while overseas in Indonesia and thus could not qualify as a "natural-born citizen" or some such nonsense.

Basically they're trying to go "Okay, he was born in Hawaii, but he stopped being an American, so his election is still invalid!"

47 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:29:11pm

re: #43 Ghost of Insanity

I prefer this one.

Thanks, but you should have ordered a couple for yourself too!!

48 b_sharp  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:30:17pm

re: #47 sattv4u2

Thanks, but you should have ordered a couple for yourself too!!

Didn't your mom ever teach you to share?

49 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:32:42pm

re: #48 Ghost of Insanity

Didn't your mom ever teach you to share?

heh

two guys in a rest room peeing

One finishes and walks out

2nd guy comes out and walks up to him saying
"Didn't your mom ever teach you to wash your hands after you pee?"
1st guy says
"No, she taught me never to pee on my hands!"

50 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:38:01pm

re: #42 Kragar

This actually shows something about the Republican Mindset.

In order to be a single-issue voter you see, you must be relatively well off, with few other concerns.

Because of the effects of Jim Crow and other Discrimination, Hispanics and African Americans are disproportionately poorer. The ones who can vote (I mean in economic terms) have bigger concerns than what guy and gals are doing with their fun parts.

51 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:39:47pm

End of regulation of the UEFA Championship

FC Chelsea 1
Bayern Munich 1

That is all

52 Obdicut  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:40:36pm

re: #50 ProGunLiberal

In order to be a single-issue voter you see, you must be relatively well off, with few other concerns.

This isn't true. There are plenty of poor single-issue voters.

53 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:41:44pm

re: #52 Obdicut

This isn't true. There are plenty of poor single-issue voters.

True, though in their case, being poor tends to limit the amount of time they have to focus on anything more than one issue.

54 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:42:50pm

re: #52 Obdicut

Well, why the hell does it disproportionately Caucasians in the US?

Economics is the best I got.

55 Obdicut  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:43:37pm

re: #54 ProGunLiberal

Well, why the hell does it disproportionately Caucasians in the US?

I accidentally a bear.

56 Kragar  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:45:17pm

re: #55 Obdicut

I accidentally a bear.

I on be the whole thing

57 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:48:04pm

I think we are finally done cleaning --eveything but ourselves.

Graduation Party at our house tomorrow- up to 40 people. I haven't had a party in a few years (used to have them alot) and If I have to have one again, I'm renting a hall.

I'm way too old. . . .

58 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:48:33pm

How is everyone else?

And who is POllack?

59 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:50:10pm

re: #55 Obdicut

I've been frazzled for a while, and am working on something else. I mixed the response to your thing, and the other thing I am working on.

re: #54 ProGunLiberal

Well, why the hell is it disproportionately Caucasians in the US?

Economics is the best I got.

60 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:51:18pm

re: #59 ProGunLiberal

I've been frazzled for a while, and am working on something else. I mixed the response to your thing, and the other thing I am working on.

re: #54 ProGunLiberal

You know, I originally read that as:

Why is hell disproportionately Caucasian?

61 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:52:12pm

re: #60 ggt

You know, I originally read that as:

Why is hell disproportionately Caucasian?

Thinking ahead, we made reservations??

62 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:54:19pm

re: #61 sattv4u2

Thinking ahead, we made reservations??

I think we learned about it in Church --all the Fire and Brimstone preaching and decided we'd never be good enough to get into heaven. So what the hell? Enjoy life . . .

63 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:55:12pm

Surprise!

Atlantic Hurricane Season maybe starting in the next few days!!!

Disturbance 93L off South Carolina coast could become a tropical storm

64 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 1:57:07pm

re: #63 ProGunLiberal

And it is now

Tropical Storm Alberto has formed 12 days before the official start of the Hurricane Season.

65 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 19, 2012 2:05:29pm

re: #64 ProGunLiberal

Graphs and Stats from Weather Underground. [Link: www.wunderground.com...]

66 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, May 19, 2012 2:06:22pm

re: #16 TavernWench

I am both a bartender and a habitue of taverns. :-) Wenches of the world, unite!

AWESOME

67 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 2:12:03pm

Have a great evening all!

Preakness is on soon.

68 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 2:16:33pm

re: #51 sattv4u2

End of regulation of the UEFA Championship

FC Chelsea 1
Bayern Munich 1

That is all

end of extra time

shootout!

69 CuriousLurker  Sat, May 19, 2012 2:22:08pm

re: #65 PhillyPretzel

Graphs and Stats from Weather Underground. [Link: www.wunderground.com...]

Bill Ayers! ZOMG, now POTUS and is radical leftist terrorist pals are controlling the weather—we're doomed, DOOMED I tell you!!11!

70 blueraven  Sat, May 19, 2012 2:23:39pm

re: #16 TavernWench

Welcome!

BTW - You have double http's in your nic link to twitter. Might want to edit that.

71 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 2:29:05pm

re: #64 ProGunLiberal

And it is now

Tropical Storm Alberto has formed 12 days before the official start of the Hurricane Season.

...God hates the East Coast, doesn't he?

//

72 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 2:31:20pm

Congratulations to the UEFA 2012 Champions,,, Chelsea FC of England!

73 austin_blue  Sat, May 19, 2012 2:34:29pm

Chelsea! On penalties! Drogba is Legend!

74 Kronocide  Sat, May 19, 2012 2:41:53pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

Welcome, hatchling Wench!

It's a freakin WenchoWama.

75 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, May 19, 2012 2:42:50pm
A lawyer from Chattanooga, Wolfe speaks in a Southern drawl, and says Obama and national Democrats don’t want to acknowledge that there are members of the party like him.

“He says ‘Chil-ay’ and “Pah-kee-stahn’,” Wolfe says, emphasizing Obama’s pronunciations of Chile and Pakistan. “I say ‘Chil-ee’ and ‘Pack-a-stan.’ They like a person who talks like them.”

So I guess we need to elect someone who mispronounces everything 9_9

76 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, May 19, 2012 2:43:56pm

earth to Wolfe: Pakistan isn't in Tennessee, jesus christ

77 blueraven  Sat, May 19, 2012 2:48:31pm

Oh brother, Geraldo is at it again

Geraldo Rivera (again) says Trayvon Martin's 'thug wear' got him profiled

“The marijuana is probably a lot less powerful than the surveillance video at the 7/11,” Rivera said, going on to say that Martin was “dressed in that thug wear – look at the size of him, he’s not a little kid.” He adds, “Trayvon Martin looks just like people who had been burglarizing and victimizing that neighborhood for the past 6 months.”
...
In the weeks after the shooting, thousands of Americans donned hoodies to protest both what they believed was a case of racially motivated profiling and racial injustice. Last week, an entrepreneur quickly sold out of a stockpile of gun targets depicting someone, presumably Martin, in a hoodie.

Ah, humanity.

78 Obdicut  Sat, May 19, 2012 2:48:36pm

re: #75 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Imagine if a presidential candidate had a significant stutter. Wouldn't matter if he was a brilliant sage master of arms hyperdynamic economist whizz-bang and smelled like chocolate sex, he'd be unelectable.

79 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 2:49:52pm

re: #77 blueraven

Oh brother, Geraldo is at it again

Geraldo Rivera (again) says Trayvon Martin's 'thug wear' got him profiled

Ah, humanity.

It's been said before, but I'll say it again:

Geraldo Rivera's head is as empty as Al Capone's vault.

80 Varek Raith  Sat, May 19, 2012 2:55:55pm

re: #77 blueraven

Oh brother, Geraldo is at it again

Geraldo Rivera (again) says Trayvon Martin's 'thug wear' got him profiled

Ah, humanity.

Youtube Video
81 Varek Raith  Sat, May 19, 2012 2:59:42pm

re: #75 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

So I guess we need to elect someone who mispronounces everything 9_9

You said "nuclear"! It's "nucular" dummy, the S is silent.
-Peter Griffin

82 Kronocide  Sat, May 19, 2012 2:59:45pm

re: #78 Obdicut

Imagine if a presidential candidate had a significant stutter.

That would be a thutter. Juth thayin.

83 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:00:10pm

re: #76 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

earth to Wolfe: Pakistan isn't in Tennessee, jesus christ

But there IS an
Athens
Germantown
Moscow
Nornmandy and
Paris Tennessee ,,, just for that international flavor

Oh , and several IHOP's !

84 makeitstop  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:00:58pm

re: #65 PhillyPretzel

Graphs and Stats from Weather Underground. [Link: www.wunderground.com...]

This concerns me. We finally signed with a contractor to build the second story of our house, and they're supposed to start on Thursday. And it looks like that storm will reach us on... Thursday. Crap.

85 Varek Raith  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:01:56pm

Where the hell did that TS come from??? Sheesh.

86 wrenchwench  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:03:08pm

re: #84 makeitstop

This concerns me. We finally signed with a contractor to build the second story of our house, and they're supposed to start on Thursday. And it looks like that storm will reach us on... Thursday. Crap.

Just in time for roof removal?

87 blueraven  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:03:19pm

re: #80 Varek Raith

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LOL...he should have been wearing his floaties instead of that black thug wear.

88 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:03:56pm

re: #85 Varek Raith

I believe from the west coast of Africa. /

89 Varek Raith  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:08:24pm

re: #88 PhillyPretzel

I believe from the west coast of Africa. /

Silence! :P

90 makeitstop  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:09:22pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

Just in time for roof removal?

Yep. Looks like I'm facing delays even before we start.

91 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:10:41pm

re: #89 Varek Raith

You asked,"Where the hell did that TS come from??? Sheesh." And I answered.

92 Eventual Carrion  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:13:56pm

re: #61 sattv4u2

Thinking ahead, we made reservations??

I've just been building up my frequent sinner points and hoping there is a cancellation I can slide into.

93 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:18:01pm

re: #89 Varek Raith

Silence! :P

Varek, you wouldn't know anything about what started this TS...would you?

//

94 TavernWench  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:19:02pm

re: #70 blueraven

Thanks for catching that! Still getting the hang of this comment system, obviously. Is it fixed now?

95 Amory Blaine  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:20:23pm

Somethings messed up in the pages. Clicking the more button results in errors.

96 Eventual Carrion  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:22:31pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

Varek, you wouldn't know anything about what started this TS...would you?

//

He just ran out the door muttering something about leaving his blow dryer on.

97 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:22:49pm

re: #95 Amory Blaine

Somethings messed up in the pages. Clicking the more button results in errors.

Fixed now.

98 blueraven  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:23:16pm

re: #94 TavernWench

Thanks for catching that! Still getting the hang of this comment system, obviously. Is it fixed now?

Looks good to go!

99 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:23:21pm

re: #96 RayFerd

He just ran out the door muttering something about leaving his blow dryer on.

Since when does a Dark Lord of the Sith need a blow dryer?

100 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:23:55pm

re: #99 Targetpractice

He is trying to appear human. /

101 Eventual Carrion  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:27:39pm

re: #100 PhillyPretzel

He is trying to appear human. /

Not working. Maybe if he got rid of the robes and filed his horns.

102 Varek Raith  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:30:53pm

re: #101 RayFerd

Not working. Maybe if he got rid of the robes and filed his horns.

No.

103 darthstar  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:42:48pm

re: #84 makeitstop

This concerns me. We finally signed with a contractor to build the second story of our house, and they're supposed to start on Thursday. And it looks like that storm will reach us on... Thursday. Crap.

We're getting an estimate on adding a second floor to our house. I think if we do that this will be the only house we ever own, because we'll have a forever unobstructed view of the harbor and ocean beyond.

104 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:42:51pm

Did " I'LL HAVE ANOTHER " win the Preakness?

105 darthstar  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:44:29pm

re: #104 PhillyPretzel

Did " I'LL HAVE ANOTHER " win the Preakness?

Alternation won.

106 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:48:16pm

re: #105 darthstar

Yahoo says, "Derby winner I'll Have Another came from behind to capture the Preakness, setting up a bid for the Triple Crown." Hmm. I will wait for another source.

107 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:56:34pm

As was said many years ago "If you see it in The Sun it is so." Baltimore Sun says I'll Have Another holds off Bodemeister to win 2012 Preakness. [Link: www.baltimoresun.com...]

108 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:58:19pm

re: #77 blueraven

Oh brother, Geraldo is at it again

Geraldo Rivera (again) says Trayvon Martin's 'thug wear' got him profiled

Ah, humanity.

"Thug wear" My dad and 11 year old brother wear hoodies, Geraldo. Are they "thugs"? What a joke of a journalist this guy is.

109 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:59:25pm

re: #107 PhillyPretzel

As was said many years ago "If you see it in The Sun it is so." Baltimore Sun says I'll Have Another holds off Bodemeister to win 2012 Preakness. [Link: www.baltimoresun.com...]

[Link: therail.blogs.nytimes.com...]

110 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:00:27pm
111 darthstar  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:02:16pm
112 darthstar  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:04:01pm

re: #106 PhillyPretzel

Alternation
Nehro
Endorsement

(from the Preakness web site)

113 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:04:45pm

Freaking morons. I guess the intent is just to bury me in derp.

Sixteen names added to the Tweetdeck global filter so far, all of them tweeting this #TwitterGulag stupidity.

114 darthstar  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:06:17pm

re: #112 darthstar

Alternation
Nehro
Endorsement

(from the Preakness web site)

Okay...that was the Pimlico special...google says I'll Have Another.

115 wrenchwench  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:07:12pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

Sixteen names added to the Tweetdeck Gulag filter so far,

Renamed that for you.

116 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:08:16pm

Look at these idiots go! (Click 'All' at the top for the full impact.)

[Link: twitter.com...]

117 darthstar  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:09:57pm

His wife should have let him get a dog.

Arnold Pointer a professional fisherman from south of Australia set free from a certain death a big female White Shark that was caught in his fishing nets. Now the fisherman has a problem: He says: "It's been two years and she doesn't leave me alone. She follows me everywhere I go and her presence scares all the fishes. I don't know what to do anymore..."Arnold is quoted as saying: "Once I stop the boat she comes to me, she turns on her back and let me pet her belly and neck, she grunts, turn her eyes, and move her fins up and down hitting the water happilly..."

118 darthstar  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:10:34pm

Another pic...Cindy just wants her belly rubbed...

Image: 541311_377632498939286_275115872524283_924067_135575239_n.jpg

119 Mattand  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:11:15pm

Just wandered in on this. So, Breitbart.com is debunking an anti-Obama myth that a chunk of their readership believes (and which I had never heard of until literally 4 minutes ago)?

And this benefits them how?

120 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:11:26pm

re: #118 darthstar

Another pic...Cindy just wants her belly rubbed...

Image: 541311_377632498939286_275115872524283_924067_135575239_n.jpg

Nice sharky. That's a good sharky.

121 darthstar  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:16:18pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

Nice sharky. That's a good sharky.

She's got a purty mouth...from a distance.

122 Mattand  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:19:41pm

Man, maybe it's me, but I'm not following this. Pollak's first paragraph reads:

Breitbart News’ discovery of the 1991 biography distributed by Barack Obama’s then-literary agency, which stated (incorrectly) that Obama had been “born in Kenya,” confirmed what we have been saying for months as we pursued “The Vetting” project. Much of what the country ought to know about Obama, but does not, is hidden--often in plain sight--yet the mainstream media covers it up or spins it away to protect him.

So he's saying that the literary agent's mistake that Obama was born in Kenya proves that Obama was not thoroughly investigated by the MSM? Am I reading this right?

123 Obdicut  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:23:36pm

re: #122 mattand

Yes. Apparently that should have been assumed to be important, rather than just an obvious mistake. Because he's pretending that birtherism has a legitimate question.

124 b_sharp  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:24:09pm

re: #122 mattand

Man, maybe it's me, but I'm not following this. Pollak's first paragraph reads:

So he's saying that the literary agent's mistake that Obama was born in Kenya proves that Obama was not thoroughly investigated by the MSM? Am I reading this right?

They've gone from "Look what bad things we found about Obama' to 'We didn't find anything bad about Obama so we need to yell at somebody'

125 makeitstop  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:26:40pm

re: #103 darthstar

We're getting an estimate on adding a second floor to our house. I think if we do that this will be the only house we ever own, because we'll have a forever unobstructed view of the harbor and ocean beyond.

We've been saving for ours for years, and it took over two years of planning and submitting plans to our town for approval. We finally got a variance to build (our house is situated strangely on our property, built 2 feet off the property line), and it'll be nice to have the extra space and storage areas.

I don't want no tropical storm slowing us down at this point. The sooner we get through construction, the better as far as I'm concerned.

126 Mattand  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:27:53pm

re: #123 Obdicut

re: #124 Ghost of Insanity

Wow. My head hurts. I literally feel stupider for having read that first paragraph.

Do appreciate the clarification, though. My problem was I wasn't connecting that birtherism is a real thing for these idiots.

Is it wrong to resent having to share a country with these mouth-breathers?

127 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:29:12pm

Go breitbartoids go! destroy your party with kookery! lolololol

128 makeitstop  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:31:25pm

Snopes says the 'shark loves man' story is a hoax.

Too bad. That would have been a rockin' story if it were true.

129 TavernWench  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:33:02pm

re: #118 darthstar

Sadly, that fisherman and grateful shark story is bunk. I think it's origin was as an April Fool's prank.

130 darthstar  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:36:33pm

Still a cute story...but how do you explain this?

Image: 535325_3883871585926_1552952942_3189875_2119100199_n.jpg

131 freetoken  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:36:33pm

So much for shark stories...

However, the following ought to gnash some teeth on some wingnut site:

NAACP backs same-sex marriage as civil right

Cue some Hannity guest on how the NAACP oppresses Christians...

132 Mattand  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:37:28pm

re: #130 darthstar

Still a cute story...but how do you explain this?

Image: 535325_3883871585926_1552952942_3189875_2119100199_n.jpg

Satan. Or gay marriage, if you're a modern conservative.

133 darthstar  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:38:35pm

re: #131 freetoken

So much for shark stories...

However, the following ought to gnash some teeth on some wingnut site:

NAACP backs same-sex marriage as civil right

Cue some Hannity guest on how the NAACP oppresses Christians...

I had a feeling that was coming. Everyone who matters has the president's back on this one.

134 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:39:50pm

re: #118 darthstar

Another pic...Cindy just wants her belly rubbed...

Image: 541311_377632498939286_275115872524283_924067_135575239_n.jpg

Bs

135 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:40:53pm

Rick Santorum warned us. First, gay marriage. Then man-on-dog, man-on-shark, what have you. Pandemonium.

136 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:45:04pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

Rick Santorum warned us. First, gay marriage. Then man-on-dog, man-on-shark, what have you. Pandemonium.

Cats and dogs, living together! Mass hysteria!

//

137 freetoken  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:46:41pm

Speaking of pandemonium, I wonder what will happen to public education in Texas if the reactionary right finally gets a solid majority:

GOP Candidates for Texas Ed Board: Government Not Responsible for Education

At least 10 out of 27 Republicans seeking election to the State Board of Education (SBOE), which oversees public education across Texas, say they don’t agree that “it is the government’s responsibility to be sure children are properly educated.” Of 13 Republicans responding to a candidate survey sent out by a collection of religious-right groups, three said they “disagree” with that statement, while another seven said they “strongly disagree.”

Eight Republican candidates in the May 29 SBOE primaries didn’t respond to the survey. Six candidates who are unopposed in their GOP primaries did not get the questionnaire. Just three Republicans affirmed the importance of public education in Texas. The religious-right groups that sponsored the survey (all of which are nonprofit, tax-exempt organizations) didn’t question Democratic candidates.

[...]

138 darthstar  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:47:02pm

re: #136 Targetpractice

Cats and dogs, living together! Mass hysteria!

//

Oh dear...

And apparently cats aren't monogamous...

139 wrenchwench  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:47:47pm

re: #134 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Bs

You're so much more eloquent than Snopes!

140 calochortus  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:51:20pm

re: #26 Ghost of Insanity

It's interesting that this debunking is in favour of Obama instead of the usual vilification of Obama. Sounds like Breitbart.com is exercising its 'fairness' muscles, a bit of journalistic kegeling as it were.

So that's where my fairness muscle is. Thanks for sharing...

141 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:52:08pm

re: #137 freetoken

Speaking of pandemonium, I wonder what will happen to public education in Texas if the reactionary right finally gets a solid majority:

GOP Candidates for Texas Ed Board: Government Not Responsible for Education

I'd like to ask those candidates who they think is responsible. But I'm afraid to because I know the answers are likely to sour my stomach.

142 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:54:47pm

So this is Joel Pollak's latest "bombshell?" Damn that's pretty sad. They're really grasping at straws now over at Breitbart.com. Of course it does keep food on the table since their primitive primate audience will play with that paper ball for the rest of the day.

143 darthstar  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:56:42pm

Mitt Romney - taking his home state(s) for granted.

144 freetoken  Sat, May 19, 2012 4:59:44pm

One of RawStory's big items yesterday pointedly hits a home run:

Former Navy chaplain insists gay demons can infect animals


Youtube Video

[...]


“It is entirely possible — we know from the Bible, for example, when Jesus cast the devil out of Legion, he went into a herd of pigs,” Klingenschmitt said. “So, it is possible for demons or the devil to inhabit or invade animals just the same way they invade humans, and that causes the sin of lust.”


[...]

The devil made me do it.

145 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:00:23pm

re: #143 darthstar

His home state started out lost. It would not matter how well he did governing the state, Massachusetts is not going to give its electoral votes to a Republican in 2012, its that simple.

146 darthstar  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:01:50pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

His home state started out lost. It would not matter how well he did governing the state, Massachusetts is not going to give its electoral votes to a Republican in 2012, its that simple.

He's also claiming Michigan as his home state, and could lose that. Then he said he'd like to move to Florida and make that his home state...so there's a third. And of course there's California, where he's rebuilding his home...Hell, Mitt could lose all four of his 'home' states.

147 b_sharp  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:03:15pm

re: #144 freetoken

One of RawStory's big items yesterday pointedly hits a home run:

Former Navy chaplain insists gay demons can infect animals

[Embedded content] The devil made me do it.

Somebody please tell me this is a POE.

148 wrenchwench  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:04:09pm

Nice set of photos from the G8 summit.

149 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:04:30pm

re: #144 freetoken

One of RawStory's big items yesterday pointedly hits a home run:

Former Navy chaplain insists gay demons can infect animals

[Embedded content] The devil made me do it.

So hilarious. Does that logical fallacy or fallacious argument have a name? It seems to be rather simple. Just conclude that someone will be "on the wrong side of history" because ultimately that position will eventually be "judged by God".

"Your argument is invalid because eventually you will be judged by God in the final days and God says your argument is invalid!"

Behold the prehistoric mind.

150 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:05:12pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

I'd like to ask those candidates who they think is responsible. But I'm afraid to because I know the answers are likely to sour my stomach.

Why do guys like this even run for school board? Honest question.

151 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:06:12pm

re: #144 freetoken

One of RawStory's big items yesterday pointedly hits a home run:

Former Navy chaplain insists gay demons can infect animals

[Embedded content] The devil made me do it.

Gay demons?

152 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:06:36pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

Nice set of photos from the G8 summit.

Needs moar hoagie.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

153 darthstar  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:06:41pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Gay demons?

They're demonic, for sure, but they're very well dressed.

154 freetoken  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:06:47pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Gay demons?

That's Ghey demons.

155 b_sharp  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:07:01pm

re: #149 Gus

So hilarious. Does that logical fallacy or fallacious argument have a name? It seems to be rather simple. Just conclude that someone will be "on the wrong side of history" because ultimately that position will eventually be "judged by God".

"Your argument is invalid because eventually you will be judged by God in the final days and God says your argument is invalid!"

Behold the prehistoric mind.

Please. I just ate.

156 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:07:02pm

re: #153 darthstar

They're demonic, for sure, but they're very well dressed.

And they're just fabulous.

157 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:07:33pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Gay demons?

Of course! You never heard of gay demons! Well, you are on the wrong side of history and eventually you will be judged by God in the end-times!!!!!

//

158 b_sharp  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:08:24pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

Why do guys like this even run for school board? Honest question.

To mold the young mind.

By mold, I do not mean form.

159 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:09:15pm

re: #158 Ghost of Insanity

To mold the young mind.

By mold, I do not mean form.

I hear ya. Seriously people like that are just nuts.

160 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:09:27pm

re: #158 Ghost of Insanity

To mold the young mind.

By mold, I do not mean form.

There is a fungus among us!

161 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:09:46pm

re: #146 darthstar

He's also claiming Michigan as his home state, and could lose that. Then he said he'd like to move to Florida and make that his home state...so there's a third. And of course there's California, where he's rebuilding his home...Hell, Mitt could lose all four of his 'home' states.

Mitt'll win Florida. He may not win the election, but I do this he'll win Florida.

162 darthstar  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:14:32pm

Now the wingnuts are claiming the Kenyan birth story was all Obama's doing? What the fuck?

163 wrenchwench  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:15:06pm

I had a serious Attack of the Patchouli People this weekend. Very nice ladies, one younger than I yesterday, and one older today, who stayed for a long time. I can't even walk to the front of the shop right now. I'm coming down tomorrow to get my swamp cooler up and running so I can blow that stuff out of here.

164 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:15:15pm

re: #144 freetoken

I think this is also him:

Navy Chaplain Guilty Of Disobeying an Order
By Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 15, 2006

A Navy court decided yesterday to reprimand and dock the pay of an evangelical Protestant chaplain after finding him guilty of disobeying an order by appearing in uniform at a political protest in front of the White House in March.

The chaplain, Lt. Gordon J. Klingenschmitt, said he intends to "appeal by all means possible all the way to the Supreme Court."

Klingenschmitt, 38, who belongs to a small evangelical offshoot of the Episcopal Church, has been a vocal critic of the Navy's policies on prayer in ceremonial settings. He has accused his superiors of pressuring chaplains to offer generic, nonsectarian prayers, and he has gained wide attention and sympathy among religious conservatives...

Repopulate the homosexual population by recruiting the heterosexuals!!!!

165 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:15:18pm

re: #162 darthstar

Now the wingnuts are claiming the Kenyan birth story was all Obama's doing? What the fuck?

[Embedded content]

Those dickheads have some nerve.

166 funky chicken  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:15:30pm

re: #75 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

So I guess we need to elect someone who mispronounces everything 9_9

Interesting article. It's a challenge from Obama's left.

Wolfe suspects the effort to quell his presidential campaign may be coming from Democratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz. During a recent encounter with Wasserman Schultz in Chattanooga, Wolfe says the two got into an argument about the rights for Tennessee farmers to sell their goods to Cuba. But Wolfe says he’s never heard from the national party or the Obama campaign.

Wolfe has been critical of Obama for being tied too closely with Wall Street interests and not pursuing a more forthrightly liberal agenda, like a single-payer health care system that Wolfe (and other Democrats, he says) prefer to Obamacare. And he criticizes the president’s style. “He doesn’t like to be challenged,” he says. “Strong people don’t mind dissent.”

A lawyer from Chattanooga, Wolfe speaks in a Southern drawl, and says Obama and national Democrats don’t want to acknowledge that there are members of the party like him.

“He says ‘Chil-ay’ and “Pah-kee-stahn’,” Wolfe says, emphasizing Obama’s pronunciations of Chile and Pakistan. “I say ‘Chil-ee’ and ‘Pack-a-stan.’ They like a person who talks like them.”

And if he's right, I can't see any reason for the democrat party to prevent him from winning delegates.

167 darthstar  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:16:08pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

Mitt'll win Florida. He may not win the election, but I do this he'll win Florida.

He's only leading by eight in Texas right now...Texas! That's traditionally a slam-dunk state for Republicans. If Romney has to spend any amount of time campaigning in Texas, he'll be stretched thin in places like Florida.

168 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:16:20pm

re: #164 Gus

I think this is also him:

Navy Chaplain Guilty Of Disobeying an Order
By Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 15, 2006

Repopulate the homosexual population by recruiting the heterosexuals!!!

Image: 070301_chaplain_story.JPG

Wow. Scary that he was in the navy.

169 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:16:23pm

re: #157 Gus

Of course! You never heard of gay demons! Well, you are on the wrong side of history and eventually you will be judged by God in the end-times!!!

//

Well, if there are hundreds of demons in existence, and most of them are male, then chances are good that gay demons really do exist. But the catch is that their being gay doesn't make them evil, they're just evil beings that happen to be gay.

/Elaborate, I know, but I like it and it slaps down the crazies in its own way.

170 freetoken  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:16:27pm

re: #164 Gus

Yes, I believe that is indeed him.

171 darthstar  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:17:07pm

re: #168 Gus

Image: 070301_chaplain_story.JPG

Wow. Scary that he was in the navy.

He's got blow-job lips.

172 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:17:12pm

Here he is riding the bomb...

Image: gordon-rides-the-bomb-copy.jpg

173 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:17:31pm

re: #167 darthstar

He's only leading by eight in Texas right now...Texas! That's traditionally a slam-dunk state for Republicans. If Romney has to spend any amount of time campaigning in Texas, he'll be stretched thin in places like Florida.

I think states like FL and TX will depend on the Latino turnout.

174 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:18:10pm

re: #171 darthstar

He's got blow-job lips.

Am I nuts or does he look almost like a younger/skinnier Gingrich kind of

175 darthstar  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:18:11pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

I think states like FL and TX will depend on the Latino turnout.

Or, conversely, GOP efforts to disenfranchise them.

176 funky chicken  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:19:47pm

re: #167 darthstar

He's only leading by eight in Texas right now...Texas! That's traditionally a slam-dunk state for Republicans. If Romney has to spend any amount of time campaigning in Texas, he'll be stretched thin in places like Florida.

I think Romney takes Florida without breaking a sweat. That's not a compliment to the citizens of Florida, by the way.

177 b_sharp  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:19:48pm

re: #163 wrenchwench

I had a serious Attack of the Patchouli People this weekend. Very nice ladies, one younger than I yesterday, and one older today, who stayed for a long time. I can't even walk to the front of the shop right now. I'm coming down tomorrow to get my swamp cooler up and running so I can blow that stuff out of here.

I'm happy they weren't zombies.

I'd really be upset if you lost your mind.

178 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:19:58pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

Am I nuts or does he look almost like a younger/skinnier Gingrich kind of

He looks like he should be either drinking a beer, putting out some fire, or organizing a parade.

//

179 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:20:53pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

I think states like FL and TX will depend on the Latino turnout.

The Latino turnout in Florida might favor Romney, though that would depend on how well Mitt interfaces with Marco Rubio, and the fortunes of Rubio's "Service or College gets you a Green Card" bill.

180 b_sharp  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:22:14pm

Later reptiles.

Time to go watch the Avengers in 3D.

181 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:23:04pm

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

The Latino turnout in Florida might favor Romney, though that would depend on how well Mitt interfaces with Marco Rubio, and the fortunes of Rubio's "Service or College gets you a Green Card" bill.

I've actually read that Jeb Bush did better than Rubio with non-Cuban Latinos than Rubio did. Plus, Mitt's immigration rhetoric I imagine turns more Latino voters off than on. I think the state will be close. Winner wins by 1-2%.

182 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:23:11pm

re: #180 Ghost of Insanity

Later reptiles.

Time to go watch the Avengers in 3D.

Enjoy it, I know I did.

183 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:26:00pm

I do think/agree that Florida is the biggest of the states that Obama turned over to the Democrats in 2008 that is likely to go back to the Republicans this year outside of North Carolina/Indiana. I think he'll do better in Florida than the rust belt. I actually think in an odd way that Santorum would do as well as Romney in the RB since Santorum's more of a populist in tone than Romney and populism sells in those states.

184 live life like you have one  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:26:06pm

re: #83 sattv4u2

why you gotta be hatin' on tha dirty dime?

185 Big Joe  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:26:22pm

NYPD Loses 2nd Occupy Wall Street Trial

Again, just as in Arbuckle's case, Hall was acquitted after the NYPD's own surveillance video showed that police lied were mistaken in their testimony.

On the stand, Hall's arresting officer, Sgt. Michael Soldo, said he arrested her because she was blocking traffic. But as Soldo admitted under cross-examination, and as the NYPD's own video documentation confirmed, it was actually the NYPD metal barricades running all the way across William Street that was preventing vehicles from passing.

186 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:27:22pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

I've actually read that Jeb Bush did better than Rubio with non-Cuban Latinos than Rubio did. Plus, Mitt's immigration rhetoric I imagine turns more Latino voters off than on. I think the state will be close. Winner wins by 1-2%.

Jeb did better back before the "Oh no, non-whites" crap ramped up. Rubio is trying to get Republicans in Florida to knock that shit off in order to build a coalition that can be the "normal majority" in Florida. I think he has a good shot to do that, but much will depend on the extent to which he can overcome demands for purity by arguing the necessity of coalition building.

Texas is a different case, as the GOP there does not have any forward thinking leaders, not one.

187 freetoken  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:27:35pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

My crystal ball is uncharacteristically hazy regarding the 2012 elections. May be due to the fluorine in the water.

189 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:30:05pm

re: #188 Gus

Image: Republican_Strategists_Concept_of_Latino_Priorities.jpg

Heh it's kind of unfair but it's not unlike what they thought they would do with women voters in 2008 with Palin. They need to start sounding more like GW Bush on immigration and less than like Tancredo. And whether Romney wants to admit it or not, his rhetoric has been more Tancredo on immigration than Bush. The whole self deport crap as well as Kris Kobach. Plus the Latino vote is far from monolithic.

190 wrenchwench  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:30:37pm

re: #188 Gus

Image: Republican_Strategists_Concept_of_Latino_Priorities.jpg

That's not Susana Martinez in the front, is it?

191 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:30:39pm

Shame to leave right now, but dinner awaits, and Bob Chinn's is worth leaving a discussion for.

192 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:31:26pm

OK BBL

193 wrenchwench  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:33:02pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Heh it's kind of unfair but it's not unlike what they thought they would do with women voters in 2008 with Palin. They need to start sounding more like GW Bush on immigration and less than like Tancredo. And whether Romney wants to admit it or not, his rhetoric has been more Tancredo on immigration than Bush. The whole self deport crap as well as Kris Kobach. Plus the Latino vote is far from monolithic.

The bolded part is the only flaw in your analysis, Mr. Warrior.

194 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:33:36pm

re: #193 wrenchwench

The bolded part is the only flaw in your analysis, Mr. Warrior.

Heh touche.

195 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:34:25pm

Anyhow, what sucked was that McCain had been a voice of reason on immigration issues and then he did the stupid build the darn fence ad.

196 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:42:17pm

good conversation with Krugman on FDL

197 dragonath  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:42:51pm

Lawmakers Seek to Lift Propaganda Ban

Uh, why?

198 freetoken  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:44:11pm

Before I head out for my evening constitutional, I'll throw this out: For those following my and Sergey's (and a few others') conversation over Ehrman's Did Jesus Exist, one side note was a recent debate in which Ehrman was participating in which his opponent (an apologetic Christian) threw out that new fragments of the Gospels had been found, very early and maybe even first century - this came as a surprise to lots of people (not the least of whom was Ehrman.)

Anyway, yesterday a video was posted regarding some of this:

Youtube Video

There's a lot to be said about this, a whole lot, like books-full of stuff need to be said.

Regardless, I find it interesting (in not a good way) that these new papyrii are brought forward to the world along with a book publishing deal... and not first to scholastic journals.

This has fingerprints on it - not directly bearing out on whether such fragments really exist - if they do they will someday be put on display at least for scholars, and tested independently, eventually.

Rather, on what is not being revealed.

It is suspected that the Hobby Lobby billionaire is behind some of this... and yes this starts to look like a Dan Brown novel.

Truth is murkier than fiction.

199 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:49:28pm

Following up on another story earlier today, the blind Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng is now in the USA. Here is my page on this story. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

200 freetoken  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:52:46pm

Here's one tidbit: listen closely to what is being said in that video.

I call it fallacy by suggestion.

Here's the fallacy:

Because we now know that the books we call Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John do indeed date from the end of the first century or very early in the second (for John), then somehow the contents of said books are (1) true, and (2) magical (i.e., "inspired").

By trying to minimize the problem of variants (that is, variant readings) of the texts which we have in possession around the world, and indeed showing that those variants reduce down to copy errors of originals, the idea is to draw the fallacy:

A: There were actually written originals of Mark, Luke, Matthew, and John.
B: We have enough data to give us a really good idea of what were in the originals.
Therefore: the stories in them are true.

This fallacy is being resold over and over to the faithful, to reinforce the fundamentalists in their beliefs in a totally inerrant magical set of books.

201 blueraven  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:58:51pm

re: #166 funky chicken

And if he's right, I can't see any reason for the democrat party to prevent him from winning delegates.

You mean the democratic party, right?

202 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:00:08pm

OK, I'm gonna ask for advice.

Are any of you accessing LGF via iPad?

203 Interesting Times  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:02:09pm

re: #202 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

OK, I'm gonna ask for advice.

Are any of you accessing LGF via iPad?

I've accessed it before with an Android tablet. Scrolling, especially long threads, is laggy. What kind of problem are you having?

204 CuriousLurker  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:04:47pm

re: #203 Interesting Times

I've accessed it before with an Android tablet. Scrolling, especially long threads, is laggy. What kind of problem are you having?

The only thing I access via my iPad is the Spy. Everything else lags too much, or I end up accidentally clicking on things I don't want.

205 Renaissance_Man  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:06:47pm

re: #197 Be Zorch, Daddio

Lawmakers Seek to Lift Propaganda Ban

Uh, why?

In case somebody realises that's all FOX is.

206 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:07:16pm

re: #203 Interesting Times

I've accessed it before with an Android tablet. Scrolling, especially long threads, is laggy. What kind of problem are you having?

If I go to another window, and I'm at the bottom of the comments, when I come back to LGF the front page reloads & I have to again jump to bottom. And sometimes selecting jump to the bottom often starts the page reload again. I'm never where I left. Make sense?

207 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:07:49pm

re: #204 CuriousLurker

The only thing I access via my iPad is the Spy. Everything else lags too much, or I end up accidentally clicking on things I don't want.

Ah spy.

208 wrenchwench  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:09:29pm

re: #204 CuriousLurker

The only thing I access via my iPad is the Spy. Everything else lags too much, or I end up accidentally clicking on things I don't want.

I don't know what Jamesfirecat is using, but he's our current downding-oops-upding leader.

209 CuriousLurker  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:10:28pm

re: #208 wrenchwench

I don't know what Jamesfirecat is using, but he's our current downding-oops-upding leader.

Heh, yeah, there are a couple of people that seem to have that issue.

210 CuriousLurker  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:12:40pm

re: #207 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Ah spy.

I wish there was a way to ding/reply via the Spy...maybe in a modal window of some sort. That would solve a lot of problems. Don't know how much work it would be though. Might not be feasible.

211 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:14:13pm

I know, I know ... LGF isn't exactly optimized for mobile devices yet. I do have some tweaks in place for mobile users, but the real solution is to completely rip out all the presentation code and redesign it with the latest adaptive techniques.

It'll happen, eventually.

212 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:14:32pm

Biggest prob is when I hit new comments it takes me to the front page.

My windows laptop worked perfectly, hard disk ka pew ee (ha I phonetically did that!) I'm so lucky to have iPad backup.

I'm just wondering if its moi? Or other iPad folks are dealing with it like I am.

213 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:15:46pm

re: #208 wrenchwench

I don't know what Jamesfirecat is using, but he's our current downding-oops-upding leader.

I do that all the freaking time. And I've favorited a munch of your bullshit. A lot!!

214 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:15:47pm

re: #210 CuriousLurker

I think one of the problems would be if, say during a busy posting day, you go to ding a post, but then another post loads and you either ding the wrong one or click empty space, then you would have to chase the post. Unless Charles makes a change to Spy where it doesn't update automatically, there might be a problem enabling such a feature.

215 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:17:10pm

re: #212 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Biggest prob is when I hit new comments it takes me to the front page.

My windows laptop worked perfectly, hard disk ka pew ee (ha I phonetically did that!) I'm so lucky to have iPad backup.

I'm just wondering if its moi? Or other iPad folks are dealing with it like I am.

I don't have an iPad, but the New Comments button does work on my iPhone 4. If it's jumping out to the front page for you, that means the Javascript is not working for some reason.

Does this also happen in threads with only a few comments? Maybe it's related to the size of the comment page. That's what slows down mobile devices.

216 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:18:31pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

I know, I know ... LGF isn't exactly optimized for mobile devices yet. I do have some tweaks in place for mobile users, but the real solution is to completely rip out all the presentation code and redesign it with the latest adaptive techniques.

It'll happen, eventually.

Thanks for hearing & responding. I'm always wondering if I'm the one who can't figure it out.

217 CuriousLurker  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:18:43pm

re: #214 Worrell-Rimshot 2012!

I think one of the problems would be if, say during a busy posting day, you go to ding a post, but then another post loads and you either ding the wrong one or click empty space, then you would have to chase the post. Unless Charles makes a change to Spy where it doesn't update automatically, there might be a problem enabling such a feature.

If the scrolling would pause on hover, that would solve the problem. I haven't really dug into the AJAX stuff though, so I don't even know if that would work.

218 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:21:20pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

I don't have an iPad, but the New Comments button does work on my iPhone 4. If it's jumping out to the front page for you, that means the Javascript is not working for some reason.

Does this also happen in threads with only a few comments? Maybe it's related to the size of the comment page. That's what slows down mobile devices.

Definitely when I sign in in the morn it's troublesome. When the new thread appears it's better. I also close & start over. Really it's a PITA, but LGF is worth it. I keep trying.

219 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:22:29pm

re: #218 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

PITA? Pain in the A$$?

220 CuriousLurker  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:23:58pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

I know, I know ... LGF isn't exactly optimized for mobile devices yet. I do have some tweaks in place for mobile users, but the real solution is to completely rip out all the presentation code and redesign it with the latest adaptive techniques.

It'll happen, eventually.

Well—*ahem*—you do have experienced coders hanging around here. If you separate everything and do the heavy lifting on the back end, there are some of us who can help with the front if you can set up a testing/staging area.

221 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:26:02pm

One quick tip for iPhone/iPad use: use the pinch-zoom technique to zoom way in buttons before clicking them.

For keeping up on comments, use the Spy button at the bottom right of a post -- that's the Spy for that thread only, and includes a commenting form.

One thing that will definitely change when I get to that redesign - the buttons will be much larger.

222 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:27:25pm

re: #219 PhillyPretzel

PITA? Pain in the A$$?

No
PITA

flat bread that's great for Gyro sandwiches !!!
/

Image: Pita1.jpg

223 CuriousLurker  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:27:32pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

I know, I know ... LGF isn't exactly optimized for mobile devices yet. I do have some tweaks in place for mobile users, but the real solution is to completely rip out all the presentation code and redesign it with the latest adaptive techniques.

It'll happen, eventually.

re: #220 CuriousLurker

Well—*ahem*—you do have experienced coders hanging around here. If you separate everything and do the heavy lifting on the back end, there are some of us who can help with the front if you can set up a testing/staging area.

That said, I know it's difficult to trust anyone with even limited access considering what you've dealt with up till now.

224 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:27:35pm

re: #219 PhillyPretzel

PITA? Pain in the A$$?

Every office I work at I teach the young ones PITA. I've passed it exponentially to a lot of places. Love it when they know.

225 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:33:10pm

re: #197 Be Zorch, Daddio

Lawmakers Seek to Lift Propaganda Ban

Uh, why?

Not sure but after a skim of the material I'm guessing the correct answer is "Ron Paul"

226 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:33:57pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

Not sure but after a skim of the material I'm guessing the correct answer is "Ron Paul"

Damn

I had OWS for fifty bucks!

227 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:34:27pm

re: #223 CuriousLurker

That said, I know it's difficult to trust anyone with even limited access considering what you've dealt with up till now.

Thank you for offering - it's not at the point where that can happen yet, but we're getting there.

228 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:35:38pm

re: #226 sattv4u2

Damn

I had OWS for fifty bucks!

A viable bet. You could also try Bradley Manning or Wikileaks to win, place or show.

229 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:35:42pm

re: #223 CuriousLurker

I know it's difficult to trust anyone with even limited access

Ya think I was wrong giving that Nigerian Prince my bank info??

230 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:37:23pm

Meanwhile, in the new popup comment reply dialogs, more features are now working - profiles, and ratings information.

231 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:37:59pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, in the new popup comment reply dialogs, more features are now working - profiles, and ratings information.

:)

Thanks (as always)

232 gwangung  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:38:42pm

re: #42 Kragar

The GOP's hope relies on single issue voters rejecting Obama.

Good luck with that.

The single issue for black voters is...black issues.

I think the GOP doesn't quite get this.

233 CuriousLurker  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:38:53pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, in the new popup comment reply dialogs, more features are now working - profiles, and ratings information.

Kewl. ;)

234 CuriousLurker  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:42:18pm

re: #229 sattv4u2


I know it's difficult to trust anyone with even limited access

Ya think I was wrong giving that Nigerian Prince my bank info??

Nah, I'm sure he was legit. //

235 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:42:45pm

re: #234 CuriousLurker

Nah, I'm sure he was legit. //

Jokes on him

I'm NOT!

236 wrenchwench  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:42:48pm

Later, lizards.

237 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:43:18pm

Someday I hope to meet someone who makes their voting decisions based on a candidates college grades. I also hope someday to see the Loch Ness Monster and ride a unicorn to a Cub's world series game.

238 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:44:08pm

re: #237 Iwouldprefernotto

Someday I hope to meet someone who makes their voting decisions based on a candidates college grades. I also hope someday to see the Loch Ness Monster and ride a unicorn to a Cub's world series game.

Up till that, everything was possible!!!
/

239 CuriousLurker  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:44:08pm

re: #235 sattv4u2

Jokes on him

I'm NOT!

LOL, that'll teach 'im.

240 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:44:39pm

re: #237 Iwouldprefernotto

And I have a bridge to sell you in NYC.///

241 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:45:38pm

[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

In December, the Pentagon used software to monitor the Twitter debate over Bradley Manning’s pre-trial hearing; another program being developed by the Pentagon would design software to create “sock puppets” on social media outlets; and, last year, General William Caldwell, deployed an information operations team under his command that had been trained in psychological operations to influence visiting American politicians to Kabul.

Sorry, the correct answer is "What is Bradley Manning/"
/Jeopardy

242 blueraven  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:46:01pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, in the new popup comment reply dialogs, more features are now working - profiles, and ratings information.

Thanks! I was really missing the ratings info there.

243 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:46:07pm

re: #237 Iwouldprefernotto

Someday I hope to meet someone who makes their voting decisions based on a candidates college grades. I also hope someday to see the Loch Ness Monster and ride a unicorn to a Cub's world series game.

I'll just settle for the unicorn.

//

244 CuriousLurker  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:47:15pm

re: #240 PhillyPretzel

And I have a bridge to sell you in NYC.///

Yep, and I've got some nice oceanfront property in Arizona. sattv4u2 prolly has a really good deal for you on something too... //

245 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:47:51pm

re: #244 CuriousLurker

I am sure he does. ///

246 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:48:23pm

The Secret Celebrities to be Launched on SpaceX Falcon Rocket

[Link: gma.yahoo.com...]

. Actor James Doohan, who played Scotty on the original "Star Trek" series, died in 2005. His ashes will be on board this mission -- as will those of Mercury astronaut Gordon Cooper and 306 other people. If you have the money, Celestis, a space services company, will send your loved one's ashes up to orbit Earth.

heh

247 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:49:14pm

re: #244 CuriousLurker

Yep, and I've got some nice oceanfront property in Arizona. sattv4u2 prolly has a really good deal for you on something too... //

re: #245 PhillyPretzel

I am sure he does. ///

Lessee....

belly button lint!

Enough to knit a nice sweater!

248 CuriousLurker  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:49:58pm

re: #245 PhillyPretzel

I am sure he does. ///

Then there's that house with the totally awesome basement swimming pool that KT has. //

249 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:50:22pm

re: #247 sattv4u2

I got tons of that in my dryer. Enough for a quilt. ///

250 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:51:00pm

re: #244 CuriousLurker

re: #245 PhillyPretzel

I have Paul Bunyons original axe

I did have to replace the handle 20 years ago
And I did have to replace the head 10 years ago

251 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:52:08pm

re: #250 sattv4u2

If you had to make those replacements it is not the original.

252 CuriousLurker  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:52:51pm

re: #251 PhillyPretzel

If you had to make those replacements it is not the original.

Sez who??

253 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:53:07pm

re: #251 PhillyPretzel

If you had to make those replacements it is not the original.

Why not? It takes up the same space as when Paul had it!!

254 bratwurst  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:54:24pm

There are rumblings from the early morning hours in Syria starting to hit Twitter:

255 sattv4u2  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:55:01pm

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

256 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:55:09pm

re: #254 bratwurst

That is not good news.

257 funky chicken  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:57:54pm

re: #201 blueraven

You mean the democratic party, right?

democrat, democratic whatever

and I did qualify my statement...if what he says is true, he should be allowed to win delegates.

258 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:58:44pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

259 CuriousLurker  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:59:03pm

re: #254 bratwurst

Sounds like the upper echelons may be turning on each other...hard to tell. Seems like the people aren't gonna quit though. Sheesh, they've been fighting & dying for a good long time now.

Our politics/politicians are totally effed up right now, but stuff like that always reminds me how lucky we are nonetheless.

260 CuriousLurker  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:59:52pm

re: #258 PhillyPretzel

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

Nite, Philly. I'm gonna head out too. Later, lizards.

261 Big Joe  Sat, May 19, 2012 7:41:20pm

testes

262 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 7:42:13pm

Just back from the obligatory Mass that accompanies tomorrow's graduation. Kid is in a Catholic HS.

My last obligatory Mass until he get's married.

House is clean, ready for guests tommorrow.

I'm exhausted.

AND we may have a triple-crown winner in 2 weeks. How cool is that?

How are you?

263 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 7:43:20pm

re: #261 Purple Throbbing Standby

testes

cahones?

264 Big Joe  Sat, May 19, 2012 7:46:43pm

re: #263 ggt

cahones?

40 minutes of deadness. I thought it was broked.

265 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 7:47:46pm

re: #264 Purple Throbbing Standby

40 minutes of deadness. I thought it was broked.

Brrraaaiiinnnsss...

266 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 7:47:59pm

re: #264 Purple Throbbing Standby

40 minutes of deadness. I thought it was broked.

nah, I just left for a while.

LIzards must be busy.

267 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 7:49:08pm

Drinking hard cider, listening to music, and enjoying that for the first time in fifteen years I have a good baseball team to cheer for. And I got my grad party tomorrow afternoon.

268 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 7:49:21pm

I guess there is Law Enforcement of all flavors in downtown Chicago today. I guess everyone is staying home --light traffic even. Cabbies must be pissed.

269 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 7:49:45pm

re: #267 HappyWarrior

Drinking hard cider, listening to music, and enjoying that for the first time in fifteen years I have a good baseball team to cheer for. And I got my grad party tomorrow afternoon.

Cubs lost yesterday :)

270 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 7:50:38pm

re: #269 ggt

Cubs lost yesterday :)

Heh. I'm an O's fan. I would say I've been partying like it's 1997 but I quit drinking juice boxes and eating gushers years ago.

271 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 7:52:47pm

re: #270 HappyWarrior

Heh. I'm an O's fan. I would say I've been partying like it's 1997 but I quit drinking juice boxes and eating gushers years ago.

I just don't do sports. I just said that because I thought you were probably watching the Cubs like everyone else around here.

272 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 7:53:27pm

re: #271 ggt

I just don't do sports. I just said that because I thought you were probably watching the Cubs like everyone else around here.

Nah. I do remember watching their games on TV as a kid though. Harry Caray, what a trip that guy was.

273 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:00:54pm

Did anyone watch the Preakness?

274 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:04:03pm

That is one Alpha horse. He does not want to be beat. Very exciting even watching it again.

He has a good chance at Belmont.

275 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:05:24pm

re: #273 ggt

Did anyone watch the Preakness?

"I'll Have Another" won the Preakness and will try for the Triple Crown at the Belmont. If he pulls it off, he'll be the first Triple Crown Crown winner since Affirmed in 1978.

276 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:05:49pm

re: #254 bratwurst

Wow. First Alberto, then the G8, now this.

But this is so much bigger.

A coup?

277 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:06:21pm

re: #274 ggt

That is one Alpha horse. He does not want to be beat. Very exciting even watching it again.

He has a good chance at Belmont.

If he's got the the "go the distance" ability everyone says he has, then he's got a very good shot at the Triple Crown.

278 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:06:42pm

re: #276 ProGunLiberal

Thinking about it for a second, it must be some sort of attempted coup. And an unusually bloody one too.

279 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:07:58pm

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

If he's got the the "go the distance" ability everyone says he has, then he's got a very good shot at the Triple Crown.

I think he does. The jockey has to hold him back and he goes balls out to the end. He doesn't not want to be a follower. Not a horse I would ever consider riding.

280 bratwurst  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:11:33pm

re: #276 ProGunLiberal

Wow. First Alberto, then the G8, now this.

But this is so much bigger.

A coup?

Nothing much coming through...

281 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:13:53pm

This is bizarre!

10 injured in attack at Tinley Park restaurant

Ten people were injured this afternoon when a large group of people wielding bats and hammers burst into a south suburban restaurant and attacked a group of diners, according to officials and witnesses.
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A long-time waitress, who declined to give her name, said of the melee: “It was the scariest frickin’ day of my life.”

The woman later said outside the restaurant that she first noticed the group of victims in the parking lot around 12:30 p.m., milling around some cars with out-of-state plates.

The woman said they came to the restaurant as part of a reservation for 20 people, but none of them seemed to know each other.

282 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:16:07pm

re: #280 bratwurst

There was talk of explosions too.

If Syria implodes without someone else there, not only will the Entire Levant be dragged into chaos, but much of the progress with Iraq might be lost.

At this point, I think we need to pull King Abdullah of Jordan aside, and talk about possibly fusing Jordan and Syria together. That was the plan plan the Arabs had (at least to a point) before the French and British went behind their backs during the end of the Ottoman Empire.

283 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:16:47pm

re: #281 ggt

Stop!

Hammer Time!

And now I am going to hell.

284 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:16:52pm

re: #281 ggt

This is bizarre!

A long-time waitress, who declined to give her name, said of the melee: “It was the scariest frickin’ day of my life.”

The woman later said outside the restaurant that she first noticed the group of victims in the parking lot around 12:30 p.m., milling around some cars with out-of-state plates.

The woman said they came to the restaurant as part of a reservation for 20 people, but none of them seemed to know each other.

She also said that she was a little wary of the diners because they told her they were part of an Irish heritage group, though none spoke in an Irish dialect or with an accent.

Well, an Irish heritage group in the US could very well not have accents or use dialects. The Kennedys certainly had no Irish accent. The none of them seemed to know each other part is weird.

Of course, the "random attack with baseball bats" part makes everything else look totally normal.

285 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:18:18pm

re: #282 ProGunLiberal

More bluntly:

Time to bury most of the Sykes-Picot Agreement.

286 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:19:04pm

re: #284 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Well, an Irish heritage group in the US could very well not have accents or use dialects. The Kennedys certainly had no Irish accent. The none of them seemed to know each other part is weird.

Of course, the "random attack with baseball bats" part makes everything else look totally normal.

Yeah, in that area of Chicago there area lot of Irish from Ireland, so that is probably why the waitress was saying that. She is probably used to a lot of "Irish from Ireland" getting together.

None of them seeming to know each other and the out-of-state plates is weird. Sounds like a set-up.

287 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:19:21pm

re: #268 ggt

I guess there is Law Enforcement of all flavors in downtown Chicago today. I guess everyone is staying home --light traffic even. Cabbies must be pissed.

Them and wait staff. A valet at the Greek Islands at Halsted and Adams told my parents today that last night they saw the fewest number of people they had ever seen on a Friday night since moving from their original, smaller location on Jackson Boulevard in the early 1980's. People got the message: If you can, avoid Chicago's downtown till Tuesday.

288 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:20:42pm

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

Them and wait staff. A valet at the Greek Islands at Halsted and Adams told my parents today that last night they saw the fewest number of people they had ever seen on a Friday night since moving from their original, smaller location on Jackson Boulevard in the early 1980's. People got the message: If you can, avoid Chicago's downtown till Tuesday.

I know! The Powers that Be are not going to have a repeat of 1968 or Seattle(?).
They are still trying to remove any memory of Al Capone.

289 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:20:44pm

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

Well, at least Austerity was buried tonight.

Apparently Obama and Hollande were able to out-persuade Merkel and Cameron.

Just as it should be.

We will have to wait until morning with Syria.

290 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:21:18pm

I guess I'm just so naive I can't figure out what sort of illegitimate set-up this could be.

See, out-of-state plates and not knowing each other is a business conference.

Irish heritage could be just that.

Reservation for 20 is...lots of people and nobody wanted to cook.

It's together that it's weird.

291 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:21:52pm

re: #284 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Well, an Irish heritage group in the US could very well not have accents or use dialects. The Kennedys certainly had no Irish accent. The none of them seemed to know each other part is weird.

Of course, the "random attack with baseball bats" part makes everything else look totally normal.

Wasn't random.

292 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:22:44pm

re: #291 Gus

Wasn't random.

For the on-lookers, it was.

293 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:23:06pm

re: #290 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I guess I'm just so naive I can't figure out what sort of illegitimate set-up this could be.

See, out-of-state plates and not knowing each other is a business conference.

Irish heritage could be just that.

Reservation for 20 is...lots of people and nobody wanted to cook.

It's together that it's weird.

Yeah, I'm just too honest. But I can't see any other answer than it was a set-up of some sort. The attackers knew they were there, at what time and who they were to hit.

294 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:23:49pm

re: #292 Mostly sane, most of the time.

For the on-lookers, it was.

Probably so. One of those "oh shit I'm going to die moments" I'm sure.

295 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:23:53pm

At seems that at least 1 Government Minister in Syria may be dead.

Unfortunately, the tweets just turned Arabic and French. I can't read them.

Time to get Erdogan, Netanyahu, and Abdullah on the phone.

296 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:24:28pm

re: #282 ProGunLiberal

There was talk of explosions too.

If Syria implodes without someone else there, not only will the Entire Levant be dragged into chaos, but much of the progress with Iraq might be lost.

At this point, I think we need to pull King Abdullah of Jordan aside, and talk about possibly fusing Jordan and Syria together. That was the plan plan the Arabs had (at least to a point) before the French and British went behind their backs during the end of the Ottoman Empire.

He won't go along with that idea. It would be too likely to see him removed from power and likely killed. Some people in Syria have been radicalized by the fighting there or and a much greater number now likely suffer from PTSD as a result of the conflict. They'd be highly unlikely to integrate smoothly, and too many of them would be receptive to someone seeking to use them in a power-play.

Nor would the people Damascus nor Amman easily accept losing their city losing its status as a national capital.

297 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:25:17pm

I wonder if the hammer has a significance in the crime world.

298 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:26:04pm

re: #288 ggt

I know! The Powers that Be are not going to have a repeat of 1968 or Seattle(?).
They are still trying to remove any memory of Al Capone.

In 500 years, "Scarface Al" will still not be forgotten. Chicago will always be better known for him than any mayor it produces.

299 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:26:31pm

re: #289 ProGunLiberal

Well, at least Austerity was buried tonight.

Apparently Obama and Hollande were able to out-persuade Merkel and Cameron.

Just as it should be.

We will have to wait until morning with Syria.

Where do you get that from?

300 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:26:40pm

re: #297 ggt

I wonder if the hammer has a significance in the crime world.

It means you don't get to touch anything.

301 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:27:09pm

re: #296 Dark_Falcon

The Hashemites actually ruled for a bit in Syria before the French kicked them out. They were relatively popular too.

Again, I just see trying to strengthen the Hashemites versus the Saudis.

However, your points about hardening of attitudes, PTSD, and Inter-City Dick Waving still stand.

Also this:

....

302 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:28:31pm

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

Here. Gus Retweeted it:

303 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:29:47pm

At least that's what they're saying for now. Who knows anymore.

304 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:30:02pm

austerity = no more credit
no?

305 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:31:11pm

Huh what?

306 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:32:09pm

re: #305 Gus

If that is the case, there is no violin small enough for my feelings on this.

307 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:33:41pm

Police: Mob Attacked Specific Group of People Inside Tinley Park Restaurant

Updated at 8:52 p.m.

A group of ‘anti-facists’ are being credited with Saturday’s mob-style attack inside a Tinley Park restaurant.

An anti-racist website posted a response to the Patch story "Police: Mob Attacked Specific Group of People Inside Tinley Park Restaurant." The post states that “a group of 30 anti-fascists descended” on the restaurant “where the 5th annual White Nationalist Economic Summit and Illinois White Nationalist Meet-and-Greet" was reportedly taking place.

“These anti-fascists are committed to shutting down and attacking any racist, nationalist or fascist organizers or individuals that they encounter,” the post states.

Tinley Park police have not confirmed the claims.

308 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:34:08pm

re: #301 ProGunLiberal

Although, if one wanted to be unique about it, you could do the South African/Netherlands Solution to the capitals.

Also, I would have to imagine a Federal State would be needed in that situation.

309 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:36:25pm

re: #302 ProGunLiberal

Here. Gus Retweeted it:

[Embedded content]

Growth he says? Interesting. I do believe that Mitt Romney should use his time out of the spotlight this weekend to have some conference call time with the GOP's leaders in the house. It would be best to have a pro-business, pro-growth proposal waiting for Obama after the end of the NATO Summit. A way to say: "Mr. President, you spoke of the need for economic growth. We agree it is essential, and thus we have prepared the outline of legislation that we believe will set the best climate for growth. We thus propose.." and then add a number of pro-business, anti-red-tape (not necessarily anti-regulation, but against those regulations that are overly time-consuming or that serve little effective purpose) proposals. The object here is not to start a fight (though it may have that effect in the end), but to "get there early" and ensure Republican ideas are on table right at the start.

310 goddamnedfrank  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:37:04pm

re: #307 Gus

LOL @ White Nationalist Meet-and-Greet

Youtube Video
311 gwangung  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:38:19pm

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

Fat chance. The only thing we'll hear from them about growth is tax cuts, tax cuts and more tax cuts.

312 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:39:15pm

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

Austerity cratered Europe.

Face it. It failed. The US, as ailing as our economy is right now, is out performing all of Europe.

Also, Austerity is a death spiral in a rescession. Austerity is done in the boom times. Austerity is completely illogical.

313 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:40:32pm

re: #307 Gus

Police: Mob Attacked Specific Group of People Inside Tinley Park Restaurant

Those people who committed this attack should be identified and arrested, the prosecuted. I am wholly against White Nationalists and had they picked and demonstrated against those dirtbags, then they would have met my firm approval. Had they used a sit-in, or some other form of non-violent 'occupation', I would not argue for any significant punishment. But to attack people solely for their ideas, however hateful those ideas are, is utterly unacceptable. To do so is to embrace the tactics of totalitarianism.

314 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:40:35pm

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

And Pro-Business is pro-Irish Potato Famine in my mind. Unregulated Free Markets lead to misery.

We need Scandinavia-Style Social Democracy.

315 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:40:50pm

re: #307 Gus

Police: Mob Attacked Specific Group of People Inside Tinley Park Restaurant

ah

316 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:42:18pm

re: #307 Gus

Sorry, can't summon any sympathy for the NAZIs being beaten. I hope the DA is very soft on our friendly neighborhood anti-fascists.

317 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:43:47pm

re: #312 ProGunLiberal

Then don't propose something linked to 'austerity'. Make the pitch "pro-freedom, pro-growth'. Better tax credits to businesses instead of outright tax cuts, at least right now. Obama will talk of tax credits, but he can be upstaged if the GOP moves quickly.

318 gwangung  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:44:12pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, hope they get prosecuted.

But I'm not going to feel TOO sorry about any bruises.

319 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:44:40pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

Those people who committed this attack should be identified and arrested, the prosecuted. I am wholly against White Nationalists and had they picked and demonstrated against those dirtbags, then they would have met my firm approval. Had they used a sit-in, or some other form of non-violent 'occupation', I would not argue for any significant punishment. But to attack people solely for their ideas, however hateful those ideas are, is utterly unacceptable. To do so is to embrace the tactics of totalitarianism.

Of course.

And it still sends a very strong message to the Haters. It will not be tolerated by the PEOPLE.

320 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:44:57pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

Those people who committed this attack should be identified and arrested, the prosecuted. I am wholly against White Nationalists and had they picked and demonstrated against those dirtbags, then they would have met my firm approval. Had they used a sit-in, or some other form of non-violent 'occupation', I would not argue for any significant punishment. But to attack people solely for their ideas, however hateful those ideas are, is utterly unacceptable. To do so is to embrace the tactics of totalitarianism.

It's not like my opinion on this will matter much in which they will be charged regardless of that opinion. ;)

321 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:45:31pm

re: #318 gwangung

Yeah, hope they get prosecuted.

But I'm not going to feel TOO sorry about any bruises.

Waiter: Would you care for some sea salt for that wound?

//

322 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:46:14pm

re: #317 Dark_Falcon

Then don't propose something linked to 'austerity'. Make the pitch "pro-freedom, pro-growth'. Better tax credits to businesses instead of outright tax cuts, at least right now. Obama will talk of tax credits, but he can be upstaged if the GOP moves quickly.

And how will they pay for them? It keeps coming back to that, the GOP wanting to give the store away by yanking it out of the mouths of the poor and least able amongst us.

323 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:47:03pm

re: #318 gwangung

If I were the judge, I would give them 100 hours of community service.

But, then again, their actions WERE a community service. So it would have to go down to 99 hours

324 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:47:11pm

re: #318 gwangung

Yeah, hope they get prosecuted.

But I'm not going to feel TOO sorry about any bruises.

Me neither. I care not one wit for a bunch of racists assholes who got their asses kicked. But I care for very much for their rights, which were violated when they were attacked.

325 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:48:14pm

Also, after NATO intervening against the asshole Qaddafi last year, why the hell are we having protests. NATO proved it can do Human Rights.

Bluntly, who is bitching about NATO right now.

326 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:48:17pm

re: #322 Targetpractice

And how will they pay for them? It keeps coming back to that, the GOP wanting to give the store away by yanking it out of the mouths of the poor and least able amongst us.

I'm still ruminating the TED speech the other day. I can't, of course, remember the guys name. His "ecological" approach to economics makes sense tho. Instead of the Hierarchal approach. The global economy is so complex.

327 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:48:29pm

Agh I'm anti fascist as the next person but don't attack them. That makes them look sympathetic. Expose them for the fascists they are.

328 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:49:15pm

re: #323 ProGunLiberal

If I were the judge, I would give them 100 hours of community service.

But, then again, their actions WERE a community service. So it would have to go down to 99 hours

Yeah, well there are probably minimum sentences for "gang violence" which is how this is most likely defined. NO guns involved or knives. They were smart.

329 gwangung  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:50:04pm

re: #326 ggt

I'm still ruminating the TED speech the other day. I can't, of course, remember the guys name. His "ecological" approach to economics makes sense tho. Instead of the Hierarchal approach. The global economy is so complex.

Nick Hanauer, hm? Inherited money, which he put into things like Amazon.

330 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:50:27pm

re: #325 ProGunLiberal

Also, after NATO intervening against the asshole Qaddafi last year, why the hell are we having protests. NATO proved it can do Human Rights.

Bluntly, who is bitching about NATO right now.

Many on the left (not the great majority, but still a notable minority) simply don't like Western military power, period. They harbor an unrealistic view of the world, similar in some ways to those on the right who hate government.

331 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:51:35pm

re: #328 ggt

Also, their weapons are more satisfying, as proved by this video from a Super Smash Bros. Game

Youtube Video
332 goddamnedfrank  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:52:51pm

re: #317 Dark_Falcon

Then don't propose something linked to 'austerity'. Make the pitch "pro-freedom, pro-growth'. Better tax credits to businesses instead of outright tax cuts, at least right now. Obama will talk of tax credits, but he can be upstaged if the GOP moves quickly.

You live in a fantasy world. The GOP has tied itself to austerity so thoroughly that there's no room left to maneuver. The solution isn't about how to market tax cuts in some clever unthought of new way, that's the standard tired GOP strategy. You guys need a new playbook. The solution has to be about uncorking spending on something other than the military, and the inertia of GOP politics simply won't allow for that.

333 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:52:54pm

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

Many on the left (not the great majority, but still a notable minority) simply don't like Western military power, period. They harbor an unrealistic view of the world, similar in some ways to those on the right who hate government.

I've noticed that. I always been inclined to trust OUR military than any diplomatic organization. I'm learning that Most of the Rest of the World doesn't have that experience.

I think there are those in our military who would happily enforce a Christian Taliban if they were given the heads-up.

Scary shit.

334 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:53:54pm

re: #333 ggt

I've noticed that. I always been inclined to trust OUR military than any diplomatic organization. I'm learning that Most of the Rest of the World doesn't have that experience.

I think there are those in our military who would happily enforce a Christian Taliban if they were given the heads-up.

Scary shit.

Reminds me, I think civilian oversight of the military is a great thing. Last thing we want is a politicized military.

335 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:53:56pm

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

I got a laugh out of this:

Seriously, those liars at Code Pink can take a long walk off a short pier

336 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:54:22pm

The thing is that this anti-fascist group will not be taken seriously or respected by the White Nationalist type --particularly because they didn't kill anyone. They won't back down, they'll find a way to fight back.

They are like the Hatfields or the McCoys.

337 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:54:50pm

re: #335 ProGunLiberal

I got a laugh out of this:

[Embedded content] Seriously, those liars at Code Pink can take a long walk off a short pier

Do they still come up to officials with red paint symbolizing blood on their hands? I remember when they did it to Secretary Rice and I thought it was teh stupidest stunt ever and this was in my far left days.

338 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:54:56pm

re: #334 HappyWarrior

Reminds me, I think civilian oversight of the military is a great thing. Last thing we want is a politicized military.

Quite Concur. Politicized procurement is bad enough.

339 goddamnedfrank  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:55:35pm

Hey, what if instead of calling them tax cuts for the wealthy we called them the Cure for Cancer, have we tried that yet?

340 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:55:56pm

re: #333 ggt

I get the feeling some branches of the military are less likely to act in that way than others.

The Navy in Annapolis (AKA Liberal Northeast) will be less likely to support theocracy than the Air Force, whose men are trained in the Christian Taliban Country (Colorado Springs).

341 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:56:00pm

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. Politicized procurement is bad enough.

Thank you General/President Washington. I still think his decision to refuse a throne is the most noble decision ever made by an American political leader.

342 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:56:33pm

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

Many on the left (not the great majority, but still a notable minority) simply don't like Western military power, period. They harbor an unrealistic view of the world, similar in some ways to those on the right who hate government.

Well you know that's true with many on the right. There is no universal left or right WRT this topic. As a democracy we must consider all voices however. So really, even those voices of decent on both sides with regards to this should be heard. We should not accept a dogmatic view of "Western military power" in any event. One person's unrealistic view is another's realistic view.

343 Mich-again  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:56:36pm

Heads up, Mick Jagger and Foo Fighters on SNL.

344 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:56:37pm

re: #337 HappyWarrior

Don't know, but this guy seems to have been protesting both walking and his kneecaps.

345 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:56:51pm

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. Politicized procurement is bad enough.

something else I"ve been learning as I age --most other countries have had the Military as a separate power or political force. We always have and our military doesn't operate in country. So we've never seen the horribleness that can involve.

346 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:56:58pm

re: #335 ProGunLiberal

I got a laugh out of this:

[Embedded content] Seriously, those liars at Code Pink can take a long walk off a short pier

Well, they've come to the right place. There are some short piers along the Chicago lakefront that would do just nicely. Though I'd sooner not see Lake Michigan befouled by Code Pinkos.

347 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:57:18pm

re: #342 Gus

Code Pink and Ron Paul.

Made for each other.

348 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:58:52pm

re: #345 ggt

something else I"ve been learning as I age --most other countries have had the Military as a separate power or political force. We always have and our military doesn't operate in country. So we've never seen the horribleness that can involve.

I remember when I took modern Latin American history a couple years ago. That region's history is ripe with examples of that. Not just Pinochet in Chile but also the Processo regime in Argentina.

349 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:59:30pm

re: #341 HappyWarrior

Thank you General/President Washington. I still think his decision to refuse a throne is the most noble decision ever made by an American political leader.

Yep, he gave up power, and thereby setting a precedent upheld by the Constitution and every POTUS since.

350 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:59:40pm

re: #332 goddamnedfrank

You live in a fantasy world. The GOP has tied itself to austerity so thoroughly that there's no room left to maneuver. The solution isn't about how to market tax cuts in some clever unthought of new way, that's the standard tired GOP strategy. You guys need a new playbook. The solution has to be about uncorking spending on something other than the military, and the inertia of GOP politics simply won't allow for that.

If you took public sector job losses out of the picture, we'd already be below 7.5% unemployment and well on our way past 7%. Public sector job losses in the wake of "belt-tightening" and "shared sacrifice" have been dragging down job gains for months now. Whether we wish to acknowledge them or not, public sector jobs are still jobs which put money into the economy.

351 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:00:39pm

re: #348 HappyWarrior

I remember when I took modern Latin American history a couple years ago. That region's history is ripe with examples of that. Not just Pinochet in Chile but also the Processo regime in Argentina.

We don't live in the fear of a Military Coop.

352 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:00:50pm

re: #349 ggt

Yep, he gave up power, and thereby setting a precedent upheld by the Constitution and every POTUS since.

Another thing nobly done was Adams giving up power to Jefferson in 1800. It had been a nasty election. A lot of insults exchanged but Adams recognized the will of the American people and allowed for the peaceful transfer of power, which is for what it's worth something I think many Americans take for granted.

353 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:01:05pm

re: #339 goddamnedfrank

Hey, what if instead of calling them tax cuts for the wealthy we called them the Cure for Cancer, have we tried that yet?

If you tried that, Komen for the CureTM would sue you for trademark infringement.

354 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:01:50pm

re: #352 HappyWarrior

Another thing nobly done was Adams giving up power to Jefferson in 1800. It had been a nasty election. A lot of insults exchanged but Adams recognized the will of the American people and allowed for the peaceful transfer of power, which is for what it's worth something I think many Americans take for granted.

Very true. IIRC, they were adversaries, big time, but always gentlemen.

355 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:02:13pm

re: #348 HappyWarrior

There's a reason Costa Rica has no military, and why Mexico's seems to be so undersized as compared to other nations its size around the world.

Fear of coups.

Even France nearly had a military coup since 1960.

Remember the Algiers Putsch of 1961?

356 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:03:02pm

re: #354 ggt

Very true. IIRC, they were adversaries, big time, but always gentlemen.

They were friends, then adversaries, then friends again. I'm not gonna lie but I teared up a little during the John Adams miniseries when both men are on their deathbeds on the 50th anniversary of the Declaration. You could even though this guys weren't the last founders feel the death of a generation.

357 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:03:13pm

re: #350 Targetpractice

If you took public sector job losses out of the picture, we'd already be below 7.5% unemployment and well on our way past 7%. Public sector job losses in the wake of "belt-tightening" and "shared sacrifice" have been dragging down job gains for months now. Whether we wish to acknowledge them or not, public sector jobs are still jobs which put money into the economy.

Yes, but they had to be cut, as there was no money to pay for them. Better they stay cut, in order to keep smaller budgets for state and local governments going forwards. That way, the next crisis won't require large-scale layoffs.

358 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:03:38pm

re: #353 Learned Mother of Zion

If you tried that, Komen for the CureTM would sue you for trademark infringement.

You really love them, don't you?

I'm feeling it thru the intertoobs.

(*snicker*)

359 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:03:54pm

re: #355 ProGunLiberal

There's a reason Costa Rica has no military, and why Mexico's seems to be so undersized as compared to other nations its size around the world.

Fear of coups.

Even France nearly had a military coup since 1960.

Remember the Algiers Putsch of 1961?

Right. No I wasn't familiar with what happened in France. I know DeGaulle was very unpopular after allowing Algeria independence due to the Day of the Jackal.

360 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:04:45pm

re: #357 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but they had to be cut, as there was no money to pay for them. Better they stay cut, in order to keep smaller budgets for state and local governments going forwards. That way, the next crisis won't require large-scale layoffs.

And this was the only solution? Raising taxes/fees was out of the question?

361 gwangung  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:04:56pm

re: #357 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but they had to be cut, as there was no money to pay for them. Better they stay cut, in order to keep smaller budgets for state and local governments going forwards. That way, the next crisis won't require large-scale layoffs.

I think the point is that layoffs aren't necessarily a good response to a crisis.

362 gwangung  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:05:55pm

re: #360 Targetpractice

And this was the only solution? Raising taxes/fees was out of the question?

I think not cutting taxes might have worked in some states (ahem, Wisconsin.....)

363 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:06:44pm

re: #359 HappyWarrior

Also the closest any nation has come to losing control of any of its Nukes:

On Tuesday April 25 the French authorities in Paris ordered the explosion of the atomic bomb Gerboise Verte (lit. "green jerboa") in the Sahara to prevent it from falling into the putschists hands. Gerboise Verte exploded at 6:05 AM.

364 dragonath  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:07:05pm

Just saw this on twitter:

The New Syria ‏@IbnOmar2005
Breaking News: Reports that the #FSA have launched an attack on the headquarters of Syrian State TV in #Damascus!

whoa, if true

365 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:07:47pm

re: #355 ProGunLiberal

There's a reason Costa Rica has no military, and why Mexico's seems to be so undersized as compared to other nations its size around the world.

Fear of coups.

Even France nearly had a military coup since 1960.

Remember the Algiers Putsch of 1961?

Mexico's has been beefed up majorly in recent years to battle the cartels, and has suffered notable losses in doing so. One thing we could do to earn some good will in Mexico would be to permanently divert much of the foreign aid earmarked for Pakistan that has been impounded, and divert 55% of it to Mexico to help set up medical programs to treat the veterans of Mexico's fight against the cartels. The remaining 45% would be redirected to our own Department of Veteran's Affairs for the same purposes.

366 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:07:48pm

re: #363 ProGunLiberal

Also the closest any nation has come to losing control of any of its Nukes:

Interesting. Didn't know about this. France was the one nation I never really took much history on. Was much more interested in German.Eastern European and of course Russian.

367 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:08:04pm

re: #348 HappyWarrior

I remember when I took modern Latin American history a couple years ago. That region's history is ripe with examples of that. Not just Pinochet in Chile but also the Processo regime in Argentina.

Look, our basic attitude is that we would like you to succeed. I have an old-fashioned view that friends ought to be supported. What is not understood in the United States is that you have a civil war. We read about human rights problems but not the context. The quicker you succeed the better… The human rights problem is a growing one. Your Ambassador can apprise you. We want a stable situation. We won't cause you unnecessary difficulties. If you can finish before Congress gets back, the better. Whatever freedoms you could restore would help. -- Henry Kissinger

368 Varek Raith  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:08:46pm

Wow, thanks a lot SpaceJesus. Wasted so much of my time. XD
[Link: orbis.stanford.edu...]

369 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:09:09pm

re: #366 HappyWarrior

Interesting. Didn't know about this. France was the one nation I never really took much history on. Was much more interested in German.Eastern European and of course Russian.

France has a marvelous history.

370 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:09:54pm

re: #367 Gus

Look, our basic attitude is that we would like you to succeed. I have an old-fashioned view that friends ought to be supported. What is not understood in the United States is that you have a civil war. We read about human rights problems but not the context. The quicker you succeed the better… The human rights problem is a growing one. Your Ambassador can apprise you. We want a stable situation. We won't cause you unnecessary difficulties. If you can finish before Congress gets back, the better. Whatever freedoms you could restore would help. -- Henry Kissinger

Agh and if I recall the Reagan administration reversed the Carter administration's of not giving the regime foreign aid.

371 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:10:50pm

re: #369 ggt

France has a marvelous history.

Yeah it does. Just could never fit it into my schedule. You have to take a certain amount of "Western" history and "non-Western" to satisfy the degree requirements.

372 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:11:44pm

re: #367 Gus

Look, our basic attitude is that we would like you to succeed. I have an old-fashioned view that friends ought to be supported. What is not understood in the United States is that you have a civil war. We read about human rights problems but not the context. The quicker you succeed the better… The human rights problem is a growing one. Your Ambassador can apprise you. We want a stable situation. We won't cause you unnecessary difficulties. If you can finish before Congress gets back, the better. Whatever freedoms you could restore would help. -- Henry Kissinger

The Argentine Worm, Gus 802, once again attacks the Anti-Communist generals of Argentina, proving again his man-crush on Juan Peron!!1

/Diary of Dorkus

373 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:12:09pm

re: #365 Dark_Falcon

I would agree with diverting aid from Pakistan to Mexico.

We haven't paid the debt to them and Canada's Response to Hurricane Katrina. Their military needs help.

We also have to do Drug Law reform, but I doubt the Cartels would evaporate immediately. They would likely still need to be put down.

374 gwangung  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:13:05pm

re: #365 Dark_Falcon

Oh, I like that idea.

375 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:13:28pm

re: #373 ProGunLiberal

I would agree with diverting aid from Pakistan to Mexico.

We haven't paid the debt to them and Canada's Response to Hurricane Katrina. Their military needs help.

We also have to do Drug Law reform, but I doubt the Cartels would evaporate immediately. They would likely still need to be put down.

the cartels won't evaporate until we legalize drugs--at that point they'll morph into corporations.

376 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:14:02pm

re: #370 HappyWarrior

Agh and if I recall the Reagan administration reversed the Carter administration's of not giving the regime foreign aid.

Only briefly, and not in great amounts. Reagan cut US aid off immediately after after the junta attacked the Falkland Islands. After the UK kicked the junta's forces out, the junta fell and aid was resumed.

377 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:14:46pm

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

Only briefly, and not in great amounts. Reagan cut US aid off immediately after after the junta attacked the Falkland Islands. After the UK kicked the junta's forces out, the junta fell and aid was resumed.

How do you guys remember all this stuff?

378 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:14:59pm

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

Only briefly, and not in great amounts. Reagan cut US aid off immediately after after the junta attacked the Falkland Islands. After the UK kicked the junta's forces out, the junta fell and aid was resumed.

Right. I read that Jesse Helms was furious at the administration for backing the Brits in the Falklands over the Argentine regime.

379 Varek Raith  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:15:01pm

re: #377 ggt

How do you guys remember all this stuff?

Pizza.

380 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:15:31pm

re: #379 Varek Raith

Pizza.

ah!

381 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:15:38pm

re: #379 Varek Raith

Pizza.

mmmmmmmm pizza with pepperoni and spinach.

382 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:16:11pm

re: #381 HappyWarrior

mmm pizza with pepperoni and spinach.

Spinach, Tomato, Garlic, Onion and Black Olive!

383 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:16:26pm

re: #364 Be Zorch, Daddio

There is already been reports of a dead Government Minister.

I guarantee Clinton is talking to Netanyahu, Abdullah, and Erdogan.

I'm thinking the training we gave late last year to the Turkish Air Force in suppressing Air Defenses may get a workout shortly. Somebody will have to occupy Syria if we don't want this entire region to detonate.

384 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:16:48pm

re: #382 ggt

Spinach, Tomato, Garlic, Onion and Black Olive!

Had me until you said olives. I hate olives.

385 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:17:16pm

re: #384 HappyWarrior

Had me until you said olives. I hate olives.

Even Black Olives?

I don't like green ones either.

386 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:17:58pm

re: #385 ggt

Even Black Olives?

I don't like green ones either.

Yeah can't stand em.

387 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:18:08pm

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

Yeah. I have a long history with Peron in Argentina up until I emigrated at the age of a little over 1 years old or basically when I was 24 months old.

//

388 Mich-again  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:18:29pm

We had party store pizza tonight here. A MI specialty..

389 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:18:38pm

re: #386 HappyWarrior

Yeah can't stand em.

I am so sorry.

390 ProGunLiberal  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:18:50pm

re: #375 ggt

Yeah, corporations in the same way as the Congo Free State.

Mexico would still have to kill the Cartels after decriminalization and partial legalization here.

391 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:19:19pm

re: #389 ggt

I am so sorry.

Heh. Who knows maybe they'll grow on me some day.

392 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:20:05pm

re: #391 HappyWarrior

Heh. Who knows maybe they'll grow on me some day.

If you ever get a chance to have them fresh --either from the tree or sent directly to you with dry ice . .. (I have and ummmmmmmmm)

393 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:20:27pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

The assumption, for the most part, is that Obama "threw away" the black and hispanic vote by supporting gay marriage, which "traditional knowledge" says doesn't go over well with the black and hispanic voters who tend to be more religious. The unspoken hope is that those votes will, if not stay home, then go to the Republicans in order to "defend" marriage.

The black vote is not going to Republicans. Not this year. Not in the foreseeable future.

394 dragonath  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:20:31pm

Nutella on matzoh makes an excellent midnight snack!

395 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:20:32pm

re: #391 HappyWarrior

Heh. Who knows maybe they'll grow on me some day.

filling in for satt here:

Well, they won't grow on you, silly.

396 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:21:30pm

re: #395 ggt

filling in for satt here:

Well, they won't grow on you, silly.

I am sure if sushi can, so can olives. I dunno. They taste too much like wine to me. I've never been a big wine guy.

397 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:21:50pm

SNL for the most part has gotten so lame.

I'm always disappointed.

398 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:21:54pm

re: #378 HappyWarrior

Right. I read that Jesse Helms was furious at the administration for backing the Brits in the Falklands over the Argentine regime.

He was, but Reagan knew better than Helms did what the right play was. Backing Margaret Thatcher and the UK over the junta was not only the just play, it was the smart play. What Helms did not comprehend was that the idea of giving Argentina limited military aid again was predicated on the junta being "our sons of bitches". The fact that they attacked one of our closest allies revealed them to be nothing of the sort. They were assholes who were only out to protect and aggrandize themselves.

399 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:22:51pm

I have to sleep.

Tomorrow is graduation and a combination of forced family fun (Mass) and seeing people I like.

Have a good one all!

400 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:23:25pm

re: #398 Dark_Falcon

He was, but Reagan knew better than Helms did what the right play was. Backing Margaret Thatcher and the UK over the junta was not only the just play, it was the smart play. What Helms did not comprehend was that the idea of giving Argentina limited military aid again was predicated on the junta being "our sons of bitches". The fact that they attacked one of our closest allies revealed them to be nothing of the sort. They were assholes who were only out to protect and aggrandize themselves.

Well I do think Reagan was smarter than Helms. No way in hell Helms is willing to talk to Gorby.

401 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:23:42pm

Ya know, there has been a new thread up-stairs for, like, ever?

Night again.

402 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:24:50pm

Good night too. Grad party tomorrow with relatives.

403 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:33:12pm

re: #400 HappyWarrior

Well I do think Reagan was smarter than Helms. No way in hell Helms is willing to talk to Gorby.

Jesse Helms was all confrontation, without understanding how to end the confrontation favorably. Ronald Reagan was willing to end confrontation wit the USSR, if that could be done on terms favorable to America. And in signing the ABM Treaty, Reagan got exactly that. He got more when he negotiated the Convention force in Europe agreement under which the Soviet Union withdrew the forces that had threaten West Germany for so long.

404 gwangung  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:42:18pm

re: #403 Dark_Falcon

Jesse Helms was all confrontation, without understanding how to end the confrontation favorably. Ronald Reagan was willing to end confrontation wit the USSR, if that could be done on terms favorable to America. And in signing the ABM Treaty, Reagan got exactly that. He got more when he negotiated the Convention force in Europe agreement under which the Soviet Union withdrew the forces that had threaten West Germany for so long.

Any lessons to the current Republican leadership is obviously being lost.

405 goddamnedfrank  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:46:39pm

re: #403 Dark_Falcon

Jesse Helms was all confrontation, without understanding how to end the confrontation favorably. Ronald Reagan was willing to end confrontation wit the USSR, if that could be done on terms favorable to America. And in signing the ABM Treaty, Reagan got exactly that. He got more when he negotiated the Convention force in Europe agreement under which the Soviet Union withdrew the forces that had threaten West Germany for so long.

Then Bush went and unilaterally scrapped the ABM treaty so he could build a missile shield that doesn't work in order to defeat a non-existent threat from Iran. In doing so he not only angered Russia but gave them the freedom and inspiration to build inbound phase maneuverable warheads and lay claim to the most advanced nuclear missiles on the planet.

Further demonstrating that the GOP hasn't been the party of Reagan for quite a while, and that their allergy to rational strategic forethought should be a caution to everyone.

406 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:50:57pm

re: #403 Dark_Falcon

This post was in error. It should have listed the "IRBM Treaty" instead of the "ABM Treaty". The ABM treaty was signed by Richard Nixon, not Ronald Reagan.

407 Patricia Kayden  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:21:16pm

Breitbart.com folks seem like they're bored. Why else publish such drivel? Too bad that Obama isn't as juicy as Clinton with all his affairs and interns. lol!


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