The Undead Hosni Mubarak

Reports of Hosni’s ‘clinical death’ may be premature

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Rumors have been flying about Hosni Mubarak’s current state; the latest CNN update suggests he may still be alive, if not ambulatory: Military Official Disputes Report of Mubarak’s Clinical Death.

[Updated at 6:09 p.m. ET] Conflicting reports emerged late Tuesday over whether the 84-year-old former president of Egypt, Hosni Mubarak, had died.

The state-run Middle East News Agency, citing medical sources, said he was declared clinically dead shortly after arriving at a military hospital in Cairo, where he was taken after suffering a stroke and cardiac arrest earlier in the day.

But Gen. Mamdouh Shahin, a member of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, told CNN, “He is not clinically dead as reported, but his health is deteriorating and he is in critical condition.”

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researchok Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:28:42pm

Death watch.

Coracle Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:29:40pm

He's only Mostly Dead.

Someone had to say it.

researchok Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:31:01pm

Boomerang

Romney: Marco Rubio is being vetted as possible VP pick

Coracle Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:31:08pm

He's not fooling anyone.

Someone had to say that, too.

dragonath Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:31:33pm

Wow, what timing.

Kragar Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:32:34pm

He's only mostly dead...

Kragar Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:33:12pm

re: #2 Coracle

He's only Mostly Dead.

re: #4 Coracle

He's not fooling anyone.

Someone had to say that, too.

Someone had to say it.

Damn you twice.

Coracle Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:33:33pm

re: #6 Kragar

Beatcha to it.

And bonus - my 'not fooling' comment applies both to the OP and researchok's #3.

Kragar Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:34:24pm

Generalisimo Fransisco Franco unavailable for comment.

wrenchwench Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:39:03pm

Egypt is waffling, but I can now definitely report on Mubarak: He's either dead, or he's alive.
— Nicholas Kristof (@NickKristof) June 19, 2012

sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:39:09pm

Image: i-told-you-i-was-sick.jpg

Targetpractice Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:40:35pm

re: #9 Kragar

Generalisimo Fransisco Franco unavailable for comment.

Arafish would not return our calls.

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:41:00pm

re: #11 sattv4u2

Image: i-told-you-i-was-sick.jpg

I need to see if I can get my mom's image of her favorite headstone. It reads: "YOU WILL MISS ME."

[deleted] Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:53:26pm

William of Orange Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:56:01pm

Not encouraging anyone to die but...

...come on, this is confusing!

Varek Raith Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:56:32pm

GOP Front Group Suggests WWII Vets Fought To Protect Unlimited Secret Money In Elections

sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:00:00pm

re: #13 thedopefishlives

I need to see if I can get my mom's image of her favorite headstone. It reads: "YOU WILL MISS ME."

Take it from someone who knows

She's right!

Targetpractice Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:01:40pm

re: #13 thedopefishlives

I need to see if I can get my mom's image of her favorite headstone. It reads: "YOU WILL MISS ME."

I'm still considering "Blimey, It's Dark In Here."

Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:10:19pm

re: #13 thedopefishlives

I need to see if I can get my mom's image of her favorite headstone. It reads: "YOU WILL MISS ME."

My fave-
"It was a lifetime of hard work to get me where I am now"

austin_blue Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:10:43pm

Will he join Ariel Sharon?

Varek Raith Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:11:22pm

Image: FunnyTombstonePic12.jpg

Varek Raith Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:11:34pm

re: #20 austin_blue

Huh?

Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:11:53pm

I can't help but worry this mimics the status of the Egypt-Israel peace.

dragonath Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:12:17pm

Arsenio Hall returning to late-night TV

Youtube Video

austin_blue Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:12:41pm

re: #22 Varek Raith

Huh?

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Varek Raith Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:13:15pm

re: #25 austin_blue

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Oh!
Whoops.

austin_blue Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:17:33pm

Anybody else getting the "Improve Your Brain" advert under the initial post?

Hmmm...

Irony?

EdDantes Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:24:42pm

re: #6 Kragar

He'll be stone dead in a moment.

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:36:48pm

He's 84 right? Just heard on NPR that he stroked, was de-fibbed, now on respirator. I never ever understand that. But I guess it's the benefits of being an x-dictator.

Digital Display Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:37:10pm

Obama set to speak in a few from Mexico.. A resort town..
Now.. How much do you want to bet the Secret Service is on their best behavior?
How much do you want to bet Obama had a little chat with their supervisor?

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:38:25pm

re: #29 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

He's 84 right? Just heard on NPR that he stroked, was de-fibbed, now on respirator. I never ever understand that. But I guess it's the benefits of being an x-dictator.

My point, when its ovah, its ovah.

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:39:23pm

re: #30 Digital Display

Obama set to speak in a few from Mexico.. A resort town..
Now.. How much do you want to bet the Secret Service is on their best behavior?
How much do you want to bet Obama had a little chat with their supervisor?

Cabo Wabo!!

EdDantes Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:41:40pm

re: #32 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Cabo Wabo!!

I wouldn't miss an opportunity to party with Sammy Hagar.

Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:48:36pm

re: #30 Digital Display

Obama set to speak in a few from Mexico.. A resort town..
Now.. How much do you want to bet the Secret Service is on their best behavior?
How much do you want to bet Obama had a little chat with their supervisor?

Love your avatar!

Digital Display Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:53:16pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Love your avatar!

Thanks! When we move to the lake house I'm going to take a picture of Winston in the front of the boat going really fast with the wind blowing through his hair.. Of course the caption will be.. ' I'm the King of the world! '

wrenchwench Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:56:13pm

re: #30 Digital Display

Obama set to speak in a few from Mexico.. A resort town..
Now.. How much do you want to bet the Secret Service is on their best behavior?
How much do you want to bet Obama had a little chat with their supervisor?

...

@MexicanMitt The G20 is the luxury hotel brand of the Motel 6 people.
— Dennis Wilen (@voidmstr) June 19, 2012

Digital Display Tue, Jun 19, 2012 5:08:44pm

Game 4 of the NBA World Championship will be on soon..It's really fun here..Everybody in Oklahoma is going nuts. I'm happy for the Sooner Nation.
Although, If my Company had sent me to South Beach instead of Oklahoma I'd be a huge Heat Fan sipping fruity drinks on the beach.

dragonfire1981 Tue, Jun 19, 2012 5:09:18pm

re: #37 Digital Display

Game 4 of the NBA World Championship will be on soon..It's really fun here..Everybody in Oklahoma is going nuts. I'm happy for the Sooner Nation.
Although, If my Company had sent me to South Beach instead of Oklahoma I'd be a huge Heat Fan sipping fruity drinks on the beach.

I don't really have a problem with the Heat, but I'm not a huge Lebron James fan.

Kragar Tue, Jun 19, 2012 5:20:02pm

GOP Tired of Obstructing Judges, Pledges to Stop Working on them Altogether

Last week, Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell made an abrupt announcement: he and his party would immediately and arbitrarily take a six-month vacation from doing an important part of their jobs. The task that McConnell declared that he and his followers would refuse to do until after November's elections is confirming nominees to federal appeals courts. His excuse was the "Thurmond Rule," a nebulous Senate tradition that has never actually meant what McConnell says it does. A more accurate name for his plan would be the "Confirmation Vacation."

Throughout the Obama administration, McConnell's strategy has been simply to stall and sabotage as many of the president's initiatives as possible, regardless of the consequences. Last week's judicial nominations decree signals his intention to continue that strategy to the bitter end.

To understand the chutzpah of McConnell's nominations fiat, you first have to understand the mythical "Thurmond Rule" that he is attempting to use as cover. The practice is named for South Carolina Republican Sen. Strom Thurmond, who served for decades on the Senate Judiciary Committee, the very same senator who conducted the longest filibuster in Senate history in an attempt to stop the passage of the Civil Rights Act!

The fact is that the so-called "Thurmond Rule" is not and has never been a rule. Instead, it's the name for the general principle that the minority party in the Senate will slow confirmation of controversial judicial nominees at some point in the months leading up to a presidential election -- with the hope that a new president will soon be making nominations more to its liking.

Achilles Tang Tue, Jun 19, 2012 5:22:06pm

re: #10 wrenchwench

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Shrodinger says, so what else is new?

Lidane Tue, Jun 19, 2012 5:24:16pm

Facts Remain Elusive for ‘Historian’ David Barton

“Historian” Barton posted on his Twitter page a link to an essay called A Comprehensive List Of Obama’s Worst Executive Orders, which appears on a website for an outfit called The Western Center for Journalism (WCJ). Despite the authoritative name, the Western Center for Journalism is a creation of far-right conspiracy promoter Joseph Farah. Farah also founded World Net Daily, a wack-a-doodle website worshipped by birthers who insist that Obama is lying about being born in the United States.

The “Comprehensive List” essay suggests that President Obama is issuing executive orders to lay the groundwork for taking over the country and overthrowing freedom.

---

The essay lists 13 executive orders supposedly backing up the claim. But 11 of those executive orders were issued five decades ago, during the administration of President Kennedy. The other two were issued by Presidents Johnson and Carter.

Kragar Tue, Jun 19, 2012 5:24:29pm

Oh boy, this is going to be so great!

Sen. Marco Rubio will be my guest on Focal Point tomorrow, Wednesday, at 2:05 CT. Topics: his new book, immigration.
— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) June 19, 2012

jaunte Tue, Jun 19, 2012 5:25:58pm

re: #42 Kragar

Sen. Marco Rubio, walking the tightrope.

dragonfire1981 Tue, Jun 19, 2012 5:27:49pm

I saw this image pop up on my Facebook page just now, I had never seen it before so I had to research it.

Apparently the National anthem was being played when the photo was taken.

I never put my hand over my heart for the anthem when I was in Canada.

This image has become distorted to "OMG! Obama didn't put his hand on his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance!"

But based on what I found, that wasn't the case.

jaunte Tue, Jun 19, 2012 5:30:18pm

Mubarak's Horrific Human Rights Legacy

- The Egyptian Organization of Human Rights reports that between 1993 and December 2008, 460 torture cases were reported, with 167 cases of death due to torture or ill-treatment.
- The families of suspects are often tortured to extract information about suspects. One account from 2008 reports that after police officers burst into the home of an absent suspect, they attacked his pregnant sister instead—with a baseball bat. She fell over a flight of stairs and died.
- Mubarak has a long and comfortable relationship with hosting and torturing detainees for the United States and the U.K., an arrangement often overseen by Mubarak's newly-appointed Vice President Omar Suleimen.

Artist Tue, Jun 19, 2012 5:33:51pm

re: #39 Kragar

GOP Tired of Obstructing Judges, Pledges to Stop Working on them Altogether
The practice is named for South Carolina Republican Sen. Strom Thurmond, who served for decades on the Senate Judiciary Committee, the very same senator who conducted the longest filibuster in Senate history in an attempt to stop the passage of the Civil Rights Act!

Why am I not surprised they'd invoke this guy?

freetoken Tue, Jun 19, 2012 5:47:00pm

Where is Mitt Romney’s Faith?

[...]

It is a truism of the vice presidential selection process that the people who talk don't know, and the people who know, don't talk. That's not the same with religion. Fellow Mormons know what it's like to be as devout as Romney and what that would mean for his presidency. They write op-eds in the newspaper; they have blogs. Two leaders in the church spoke on Monday at the Faith Angle Forum on Mormonism in Washington, D.C. and it was clear that they think Romney's faith isn't something to hide, but is a selling point. By explaining his faith and his role in the church, Romney could show why he is not as walled off from regular people as President Obama claims. Describing how his religious values have shaped him would explain why he makes decisions with such rigor and is so restless in his pursuit of excellence.

When Michael Otterson, the Managing Director of Public Affairs for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who participated in the forum, talked about the faith, he described a religion especially compatible with the office of the presidency. "Mortal life is a test, a probationary period in eternal progression," he explained, which accounts for Mormons’ relentless work ethic, deep ties to the community, and particularly rigorous decision making. Romney, as a devout and active member, has all of these qualities because, as Otterson says, "a passive attitude of faith is no part of being a Latter-day Saint."

The Mormon faith, in this view, is not something that a President Romney would passively carry with him into office; it would be a central driver of his presidency. "If you want to offer to America the full package of who he is, if you don't [talk about his religion], you lose a very important half of what's shaped his life,” says Clayton Christensen, a professor at Harvard Business School and author of How Will You Measure Your Life? [...]

The writer, Dickerson, does go on to point out that Mormonism would not be considered all bad, wrt. to someone being President, but he goes on:

Even if Romney could find a sympathetic forum, he isn’t a good storyteller. He lacks the narrative talents to tell the kinds of stories that Christensen would like him to tell about his time as a bishop. Those stories are complex and not all of them are favorable to Romney, who battled with feminists in Massachusetts and whose role as a church voice on issues of homosexuality, out of wedlock births, and a host of other social issues would put him in a thicket of nettlesome debates he doesn’t want to have.

[...]

We (as a nation) tend to run away from criticizing religious beliefs, as far as politics is concerned, at least for anything related to the traditionally dominant Christian sects. In this case Mormonism is best described as psuedo-Christian, but still, other than fundamentalist Christians who believe that Mormonism is Satanic and the world needs to know that, on the whole most American commenters are treading lightly around Mitt's time as a Bishop (i.e. pastor) of his local congregation.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 19, 2012 5:47:44pm

re: #41 Lidane

Facts Remain Elusive for ‘Historian’ David Barton

What he actually knows about the presidency could be written on a grain of rice.

Kragar Tue, Jun 19, 2012 5:53:24pm

James O'Keefe's words of wisdom: 'Don't get caught'

freetoken Tue, Jun 19, 2012 6:01:17pm

25 years ago today, the USSC struck down a Louisiana law that required the teaching of creationism.

It's been a tough haul these past 25 years trying to get the message out to every little school board in this country.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 19, 2012 6:02:48pm

re: #50 freetoken

cultists have a lot of energy

gotta get up early to eat your breakfast and throw the women into the volcano

praise white jesus

freetoken Tue, Jun 19, 2012 6:07:31pm

You can read about it on wikipedia: Edwards v. Aguillard

Note that only two judges dissented, one of which is still on the court: Scalia.

If Obama is re-elected, there's a decent chance that Scalia would be replaced during Obama's second term. Scalia is now 76, and while he may be healthy for a few more years, at that age decline can happen rapidly.

Replacing Scalia, if it happens, by a less ideological jurist would be one of Obama's major positive accomplishments.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 19, 2012 6:09:42pm

re: #52 freetoken

You can read about it on wikipedia: Edwards v. Aguillard

Note that only two judges dissented, one of which is still on the court: Scalia.

If Obama is re-elected, there's a decent chance that Scalia would be replaced during Obama's second term. Scalia is now 76, and while he may be healthy for a few more years, at that age decline can happen rapidly.

Replacing Scalia, if it happens, by a less ideological jurist would be one of Obama's major positive accomplishments.

To wish for ill health in someone who is not evil is itself evil. For shame, FT.

jaunte Tue, Jun 19, 2012 6:10:27pm

"Michigan’s governor is poised to sign a set of three voter suppression bills approved by the House and the Senate..."

One Voter Suppression Law Isn't Good Enough in Michigan

...the bill also creates obstacles for civic participation, which will need to submit the personal information of each and every single volunteer, along with an affidavit that must be kept in file for a minimum of two years. Registering agents will have to be trained by the Secretary of State and are liable for stiff penalties if any of the bill’s numerous new procedures aren’t kept. Unfortunately for them, the bill doesn’t explain the training agents are expected to undergo, and doesn’t spell out the penalties. Once the bill is signed into law, voter registration groups will be too busy scrambling to figure out the bureaucracy and pleading with get volunteers to sign affidavits, rather than carry out their actual mission to register voters.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 19, 2012 6:11:50pm

BBL

Achilles Tang Tue, Jun 19, 2012 6:12:00pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

To wish for ill health in someone who is not evil is itself evil. For shame, FT.

I didn't see a wish, just speculation on possible events. Surely you see the difference.

freetoken Tue, Jun 19, 2012 6:12:28pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

To wish for ill health in someone who is not evil is itself evil. For shame, FT.

Dude, it's just the truth of being male at 76. It might be a bit cold, to be on morgue watch, but that's the facts of life. It is not unlikely that Scalia will retire (for one reason or another) in the next 5 years.

jaunte Tue, Jun 19, 2012 6:20:31pm

Fox News Radio's Todd Starnes Equates Obama Immigration Statement To "Declaring Martial Law"

So far Starnes continues to evade the drones.

freetoken Tue, Jun 19, 2012 6:24:55pm

Rio+20, which no doubt will attract more criticism from the right-wing punditry far in excess of anything that Rio+20 actually means to the world (materially), itself is (IMO rightly) criticized for low goals:

NRDC: At Rio+20, Oceans Protections a Positive Step; More Action Needed

After delegates to the Rio+20 Earth Summit finalized the United Nations text regarding protection of our oceans, Natural Resources Defense Council International Program Director Lisa Speer made the following statement:

“The positive steps contained in the text on plastic pollution, ocean acidification, fishing subsidies and overfishing - if vigorously implemented - will help reverse the decline of our oceans.

“We are exceedingly disappointed that no decision was reached to negotiate a new agreement for the conservation and management of biodiversity beyond national jurisdictions. But the acknowledged urgency for moving forward on this critical biodiversity issue is at least a step forward.”

Here's one of the hard nuts to crack: we humans draw dotted lines on maps, but the rest of the ecosystem doesn't work that way. Birds, fish, insects, plant seeds, fungi spores, and so on don't read human maps.

The toughest thing for our own species to overcome is our tribalism.

b_sharp Tue, Jun 19, 2012 6:26:46pm

Schrodinger's Mubarak asks we not open the box.

b_sharp Tue, Jun 19, 2012 6:30:01pm

re: #59 freetoken

Rio+20, which no doubt will attract more criticism from the right-wing punditry far in excess of anything that Rio+20 actually means to the world (materially), itself is (IMO rightly) criticized for low goals:

NRDC: At Rio+20, Oceans Protections a Positive Step; More Action Needed

Here's one of the hard nuts to crack: we humans draw dotted lines on maps, but the rest of the ecosystem doesn't work that way. Birds, fish, insects, plant seeds, fungi spores, and so on don't read human maps.

The toughest thing for our own species to overcome is our tribalism.

We figure we're an island far removed from 'nature' so will not be affected by the destruction of nature.

We're above it all.

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