Tonight on Twitter, American Family Association spokesman Bryan Fischer’s deranged homophobia crossed the line into soliciting kidnapping:
Why we need an Underground Railroad to deliver innocent children from same-sex households: thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/08/6065
— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) August 8, 2012
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:46:00pm |
The thing is, this happens. It isn't uncommon for people, especially if they've grown up in repressed households that demonize gay people, to not understand their own sexuality until after marriage and kids.
There are many, many cases of children being kidnapped by one parent to deny them to the other, for a variety of reasons. One of those reasons is that the person is a lesbian or gay.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:48:40pm |
We need an underground railroad to stop children from being infected by the 12th century.
I would be all for considering teaching the sorts of garbage like this:
14 Insane 'Facts' According to the Louisiana Charter School System
to be an obvious form of child abuse.
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:49:24pm |
Listening to Bryan Fischer's advice about kids should be considered child abuse.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:50:30pm |
re: #4 Kragar
Listening to Bryan Fischer's advice about kids should be considered child abuse.
I agree, and your earlier page makes a good case for it.
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:50:38pm |
re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote
We need an underground railroad to stop children from being infected by the 12th century.
I would be all for considering teaching the sorts of garbage like this:
14 Insane 'Facts' According to the Louisiana Charter School System
to be an obvious form of child abuse.
So you think that communism might not actually be venom hurled by Satan?
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:51:35pm |
Asshole, if you'd tried to 'deliver' my husband and his sister from their mothers, there would have been some serious goddamned consequences.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:52:25pm |
re: #7 b_sharp
That man has serious reality issues.
Eh, I'm willing to go with 'objectively evil' in this case. And I think the bears would back me up on the matter.
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b_sharp Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:52:31pm |
re: #8 SanFranciscoZionist
Asshole, if you'd tried to 'deliver' my husband and his sister from their mothers, there would have been some serious goddamned consequences.
I think somebody's pissed.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:52:46pm |
To what end, Mr. Fisher? The historical Underground Railroad took slaves who voluntarily sought its help to free states and even Canada. Where would this proposed Underground Railroad take these children, out of the country to nations that are deemed as "anti-gay"?
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jaunte Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:52:52pm |
Is solicitation of felony kidnapping against Twitter's terms of service?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:53:22pm |
re: #6 Kragar
So you think that communism might not actually be venom hurled by Satan?
/
Nope... 'fraid not. I think that humans came up with that all on their own.
I'm also pretty sure that slave owners weren't so nice and I am damn sure that anyone who says that the "Trail of Tears brought the Cherokee to Jesus" - as if even if it were true (of course not) that would make it OK - needs to be liberally beaten about the head and shoulders.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:54:03pm |
Gotta love Fischer's "Christian" love and compassion.
What a tool.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:54:09pm |
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KettleKat Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:54:15pm |
Given that these people are irrational purity freaks who believe that being gay is not only the worst sin ever, but an ideological contagion, I think they'd like to torture and kill the kids too.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:54:38pm |
re: #11 Targetpractice
To what end, Mr. Fisher? The historical Underground Railroad took slaves who voluntarily sought its help to free states and even Canada. Where would this proposed Underground Railroad take these children, out of the country to nations that are deemed as "anti-gay"?
Ironically, the only nations anti-gay enough for the are Islamic.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:54:50pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:55:35pm |
re: #11 Targetpractice
To what end, Mr. Fisher? The historical Underground Railroad took slaves who voluntarily sought its help to free states and even Canada. Where would this proposed Underground Railroad take these children, out of the country to nations that are deemed as "anti-gay"?
It was around the time that the AFA was caught trafficking children to Iran that even their staunchest supporters started to waver a little...
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:56:09pm |
re: #13 LudwigVanQuixote
Nope... 'fraid not. I think that humans came up with that all on their own.
I'm also pretty sure that slave owners weren't so nice and I am damn sure that anyone who says that the "Trail of Tears brought the Cherokee to Jesus" - as if even if it were true (of course not) that would make it OK - needs to be liberally beaten about the head and shoulders.
Did I mention that one of my two MILs is a good part Cherokee? Is the world just TRYING to get on my nerves tonight?
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:56:42pm |
re: #14 Lidane
Gotta love Fischer's "Christian" love and compassion.
What a tool.
Fischer's brand of Christianity makes the Blood God look like the model of reason and composure.
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:57:49pm |
re: #17 LudwigVanQuixote
Ironically, the only nations anti-gay enough for the are Islamic.
Last I heard about the Miller case, they ran to South America, probably hiding in some remote village in the ass end of nowhere.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:58:26pm |
Stochastic solicitation:
An interesting twist on solicitation occurs when a third party that the solicitor did not intend to receive the incitement overhears the request to the original solicitee and unbeknownst to the solicitor, commits the target offense. In a minority of jurisdictions in the United States, this situation would still be considered solicitation even though the defendant never intended the person that committed the crime to have done so.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:58:45pm |
re: #8 SanFranciscoZionist
Asshole, if you'd tried to 'deliver' my husband and his sister from their mothers, there would have been some serious goddamned consequences.
And if you had needed help, you could have given me a shout. To equate gay parents with Jim Jones and his ilk is beyond fucked up.
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Iwouldprefernotto Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:58:52pm |
When I read something like this I regret that I believe in nonviolence.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:58:57pm |
re: #17 LudwigVanQuixote
Ironically, the only nations anti-gay enough for the are Islamic.
Not all, there's plenty of small villages and towns in the ass-backwards parts of the world that they could set up shop, if they wished to.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:59:45pm |
re: #16 Kaitlyn R
Given that these people are irrational purity freaks who believe that being gay is not only the worst sin ever, but an ideological contagion, I think they'd like to torture and kill the kids too.
I will do them the courtesy of thinking that what they imagine is a little white-gowned angel--I suspect they think all these kids are white, too, mind you, not just their gowns--thankfully blessing Jesus every night for having saved them from their devil parents.
As opposed to, say, screaming "YOU'RE NOT EITHER OF MY REAL DADDIES," and biting the adoptive 'parents' at every opportunity.
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:01:55pm |
re: #26 Iwouldprefernotto
When I read something like this I regret that I believe in nonviolence.
Don't worry, violence believes in you.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:04:23pm |
re: #28 SanFranciscoZionist
I will do them the courtesy of thinking that what they imagine is a little white-gowned angel--I suspect they think all these kids are white, too, mind you, not just their gowns--thankfully blessing Jesus every night for having saved them from their devil parents.
As opposed to, say, screaming "YOU'RE NOT EITHER OF MY REAL DADDIES," and biting the adoptive 'parents' at every opportunity.
And that really is the fantasy they live under, that they're "saving" these kids from a horrible environment and giving them a "family" that will love and care for them as only a "traditional" one can. That the kids will initially hate them and lash out, but with "proper care," will eventually come to accept how wrong and evil their life was before they were "saved" and will thank God that he saw fit to send such people to him.
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b_sharp Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:04:41pm |
re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist
Did I mention that one of my two MILs is a good part Cherokee? Is the world just TRYING to get on my nerves tonight?
Just the rwnjs.
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Political Atheist Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:05:55pm |
This abuse of Christianity is a literal blasphemy to me. It's a twisted horrible distortion. Should anyone take this suggestion to heart there will be hell to pay. Just imagine some fool getting caught trying to kidnap a child by a parent. The police may well be too late for the kidnapper to survive. Or worse too late to stop the kidnapping.
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b_sharp Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:06:40pm |
re: #26 Iwouldprefernotto
When I read something like this I regret that I believe in nonviolence.
I believe in nonviolence but I also believe in violence when necessary.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:07:41pm |
re: #28 SanFranciscoZionist
I will do them the courtesy of thinking that what they imagine is a little white-gowned angel--I suspect they think all these kids are white, too, mind you, not just their gowns--thankfully blessing Jesus every night for having saved them from their devil parents.
As opposed to, say, screaming "YOU'RE NOT EITHER OF MY REAL DADDIES," and biting the adoptive 'parents' at every opportunity.
They might actually be ready for that. The AFA strike me as the kind of group that are down corporal punishment of the "beat the kid with 1" plumbing pipe" variety. [I don't recall the names, but there two or three sources on "Christian parenting" out there that set the standards, including what to beat your kid with.]
After all, their objective is pious, obedient children...not happy or well-adjusted ones.
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Cap'n Magic Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:10:28pm |
Why doesn't the AFA just tell everyone that they in reality follow Zardoz instead of Christianity?
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erik_t Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:11:02pm |
re: #33 Daniel Ballard
This abuse of Christianity is a literal blasphemy to me. It's a twisted horrible distortion. Should anyone take this suggestion to heart there will be hell to pay. Just imagine some fool getting caught trying to kidnap a child by a parent. The police may well be too late for the kidnapper to survive. Or worse too late to stop the kidnapping.
My heart would not be broken.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:11:39pm |
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:13:06pm |
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jaunte Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:14:22pm |
re: #35 The Ghost of a Flea
They might actually be ready for that. The AFA strike me as the kind of group that are down corporal punishment of the "beat the kid with 1" plumbing pipe" variety. [I don't recall the names, but there two or three sources on "Christian parenting" out there that set the standards, including what to beat your kid with.]
After all, their objective is pious, obedient children...not happy or well-adjusted ones.
"How do I use the rod in child discipline?"
[Link: www.familyfortress.org...]
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:16:01pm |
re: #39 Kragar
Nope, Khorne worshipers. Definitely Khorne worshipers.
The problem with the Zardoz theory is that Zardoz isn't completely horrified by all things relating to vaginas.
Then again, vaginas aren't really specifically dealt with in the movie, so maybe they're like the Voldemort of the Brutals--The Anatomy Parts That Shall Not Be Named.
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:16:19pm |
Someone should remind Bryan that no child is born Christian, and Christians can only increase their numbers by active recruitment into the lifestyle.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:16:34pm |
"Some children are tougher and have a higher threshold of pain."
[Link: www.familyfortress.org...]
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:18:10pm |
re: #33 Daniel Ballard
This abuse of Christianity is a literal blasphemy to me. It's a twisted horrible distortion. Should anyone take this suggestion to heart there will be hell to pay. Just imagine some fool getting caught trying to kidnap a child by a parent. The police may well be too late for the kidnapper to survive. Or worse too late to stop the kidnapping.
Personally, I find myself imagining one of them standing trial for attempted kidnapping and trying to explain how it was God's will that the kid be taken from their home and whisked away to one that he approves of.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:18:18pm |
re: #31 Targetpractice
And that really is the fantasy they live under, that they're "saving" these kids from a horrible environment and giving them a "family" that will love and care for them as only a "traditional" one can.
That's what kills me. They're advocating destroying families and kidnapping children just because the parents are gay or lesbian. Never mind that the kids themselves might be happy and well-adjusted and in a loving household -- teh ghey is so horrible that the child's wishes no longer matter so Fischer and his freaks feel entitled to hurt kids and wreck lives.
Fuck these people, man. They're not Christians. They're just plain evil.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:18:30pm |
re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist
Did I mention that one of my two MILs is a good part Cherokee? Is the world just TRYING to get on my nerves tonight?
Yeah... the genocide for Jesus angle has me pissed to no end also.
Consider it a sign of my "web growth" that I am not writing about how mush better the world would be if I could administer certain medieval bits of justice to certain medieval thinkers.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:20:00pm |
re: #35 The Ghost of a Flea
They might actually be ready for that. The AFA strike me as the kind of group that are down corporal punishment of the "beat the kid with 1" plumbing pipe" variety. [I don't recall the names, but there two or three sources on "Christian parenting" out there that set the standards, including what to beat your kid with.]
After all, their objective is pious, obedient children...not happy or well-adjusted ones.
Yeah that's the thing with the hard right. Requiring understanding is defiance. The only thing required is obedience.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:22:15pm |
re: #39 Kragar
Nope, Khorne worshipers. Definitely Khorne worshipers.
Khorne's a pussy compared to the asshole of a God that Fischer and the AFA follow. Hell, Cthulhu might even be considered a nice guy in comparison. =P
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:23:46pm |
re: #49 Lidane
Khorne's a pussy compared to the asshole of a God that Fischer and the AFA follow. Hell, Cthulhu might even be considered a nice guy in comparison. =P
Cthulhu has really mellowed out since he got that gig making adult movies in Japan.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:24:50pm |
re: #50 Kragar
Cthulhu has really mellowed out since he got that gig making adult movies in Japan.
For the last time, he was in college and he was desperate for cash, leave the guy alone!
//
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:24:57pm |
re: #50 Kragar
Cthulhu has really mellowed out since he got that gig making adult movies in Japan.
Genius... Tentacles!....
We all know that Sarah Palin snogged a shoggoth.
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Cap'n Magic Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:27:34pm |
re: #39 Kragar
If I were to Vir^H^Heer this into the B5 universe, I'd say that the AFA is like the rigid order of the Vorlons, whereas the rest of the world is like the chaotic Shadows at the base level.
Of course, it goes without saying that most of the denizens of LGF (And the head janitor himself) are technomages.....
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:28:40pm |
re: #52 LudwigVanQuixote
Genius... Tentacles!....
We all know that Sarah Palin snogged a shoggoth.
Innsmouth, Alaska.
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:30:02pm |
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:31:58pm |
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b_sharp Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:33:09pm |
Vagina
Va
Gi
Na
Vagina
It kind of rolls off the tongue doesn't it?
Why is the rabid right so afraid of a word?
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:34:14pm |
re: #60 b_sharp
Vagina
Va
Gi
Na
VaginaIt kind of rolls off the tongue doesn't it?
Why is the rabid right so afraid of a word?
Because they have the mental maturity of 4 yr olds?
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kirkspencer Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:34:55pm |
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freetoken Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:35:53pm |
re: #33 Daniel Ballard
This abuse of Christianity is a literal blasphemy to me. It's a twisted horrible distortion. ...
However, our past is full of this kind of stuff.
Overflowing with it, bluntly.
And, if I may be allowed some leeway to make a generalization without having to quote a bunch of sources, "Christianity" itself was birthed in some rather bloody conflicts, full of actions which today many would look down upon.
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Cap'n Magic Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:35:57pm |
re: #38 The Ghost of a Flea
They're actually neoPharisees. The Zardoz bit is just to tweak them into acknowledging their dispensationalism view of the world. And as we all know, eschatology was doomed from the start.
I can see a future time..."Millions of people missing-where are they? Toinight on Nightline-our guests-Pat Robretson. And from our studios in Springfiled, Missouri, the members of The General Council of the Assemblies of God."
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Lidane Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:36:29pm |
re: #60 b_sharp
Why is the rabid right so afraid of a word?
Because they're actively afraid of their own bodies and anything that might just be healthy or feel good.
I have the requisite amount of guilt that anyone raised Catholic does, but I can't imagine ever having that much self-loathing and fear in my life.
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Stanghazi Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:36:50pm |
do not upding. do not upding. I'm laughing though. damn me, I'm a feminist. With a sense of humor? Or just damned.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:38:54pm |
re: #66 Stanley Sea
Hee Hee! We're just damned!
(Damned fun, that is!)
*waves*
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:39:02pm |
re: #45 Targetpractice
Personally, I find myself imagining one of them standing trial for attempted kidnapping and trying to explain how it was God's will that the kid be taken from their home and whisked away to one that he approves of.
I know Judge Judy doesn't do criminal court, but it's a nice image anyway.
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b_sharp Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:39:15pm |
re: #65 Lidane
Because they're actively afraid of their own bodies and anything that might just be healthy or feel good.
I have the requisite amount of guilt that anyone raised Catholic does, but I can't imagine ever having that much self-loathing and fear in my life.
You might as well be bothered by 'tongue'. Or 'shin'.
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Political Atheist Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:39:41pm |
re: #47 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah... the genocide for Jesus angle has me pissed to no end also.
Consider it a sign of my "web growth" that I am not writing about how mush better the world would be if I could administer certain medieval bits of justice to certain medieval thinkers.
Besides taking it out at the gym in your favorite martial art is so much more fun than flaming on the internet.
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b_sharp Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:40:10pm |
re: #66 Stanley Sea
do not upding. do not upding. I'm laughing though. damn me, I'm a feminist. With a sense of humor? Or just damned.
What are you not updinging?
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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:40:26pm |
The rational mind would try to explain this as horrifically bad satire.
At the end of the day, this just more fuel to the fire of anti-gay hatred.
It would be interesting to see how listening to this sort of thing affects the average religious person.
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Four More Tears Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:41:02pm |
re: #69 b_sharp
Watch your language, young man! This is a family site!
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Interesting Times Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:41:14pm |
re: #69 b_sharp
You might as well be bothered by 'tongue'. Or 'shin'.
"Shin" is one letter removed from "sin", which is something tongues can be used for.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:42:13pm |
I find it interesting that, despite this man's fear for his life, he didn't just stay home and watch something on video.
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
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freetoken Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:42:35pm |
re: #60 b_sharp
I'm going through some of the work of William Dever (in collecting sources for some mythical Page about myths...) and his 2005 book is a strong statement about the centrality of the feminine in ancient Canaanite/Israelite religion, complete of course with little figurines of Asherah with genitalia.
Anyway, the rise of the strongly masculine central religious authority and their struggle against the more feminine popular religion is an old, old battle.
The Japanese creation myth is also centered on this male-female contrast (in that case, the female demi-god had the audacity to speak before her male companion spoke, and thus caused some curses.)
Bryan Fischer and his ilk are continuing on a multi-millennial tradition of gender warfare in culture.
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Locker Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:44:55pm |
Yes Mr. Fischer I have a delivery here let me see.... seems to be a pair of shoes... no... just one shoe to be delivered to... hmm.... sir you're going to need to turn around for a second...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:45:19pm |
re: #60 b_sharp
Vagina
Va
Gi
Na
VaginaIt kind of rolls off the tongue doesn't it?
Why is the rabid right so afraid of a word?
Fear of the unknown... they so rarely see them.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:47:12pm |
re: #79 LudwigVanQuixote
Fear of the unknown... they so rarely see them.
What was that about teeth???
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:48:04pm |
re: #81 William Barnett-Lewis
What was that about teeth???
"Honey, we're going to need to get you to a dentist!"
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Political Atheist Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:48:32pm |
re: #63 freetoken
True. The difference is some choose to emulate the best of a religion or culture or (fill in) and some choose to go for the worst. History we can only learn from. Our time however is literally what we make of it.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:52:01pm |
Until recently I thought our politics was based on American Idol. Now I'm thinking 2 girls one cup. When we get to Goatse, just shoot me.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:53:26pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
Until recently I thought our politics was based on American Idol. Now I'm thinking 2 girls one cup. When we get to Goatse, just shoot me.
Thank you for that...lovely mental image.
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Interesting Times Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:54:41pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
Until recently I thought our politics was based on American Idol. Now I'm thinking 2 girls one cup. When we get to Goatse, just shoot me.
So that's where Romney's hiding his tax returns...
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alpuz Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:54:51pm |
re: #60 b_sharp
oh, man.. the night I had sitting around a table of 'conservative' leaning folks when the word vagina was dropped. By a teacher in Wisconsin no less.. good times, real good times.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:55:10pm |
re: #86 Targetpractice
Thank you for that...lovely mental image.
Does that mean you won't be buying a Romney/TubGirl 2012 bumper sticker from my Cafe Press store?
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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:55:16pm |
Did anyone bother to read the article via the link, though? I can see why Bryan Fischer would think that a threat to kids, but of course he makes the mistake that the author's experience predominates in same sex households everywhere.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:58:48pm |
re: #90 Eclectic Infidel
A FAULTY “GAY PARENTING” STUDY
And:
I can see why Bryan Fischer would think that a threat to kids everywhere, but of course he makes the mistake that the author's experience predominates in same sex households everywhere.
Then you don't see why he'd think it was a threat to kids everywhere, if you agree it's a mistake to extrapolate from this one anecdote.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:59:21pm |
re: #90 Eclectic Infidel
Did anyone bother to read the article via the link, though? I can see why Bryan Fischer would think that a threat to kids, but of course he makes the mistake that the author's experience predominates in same sex households everywhere.
The author is also a gigantic whiner. People get screwed up in different ways by their parents all the time, but this guy roots his shit in cheap, stereotypical conservative schlock.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:59:32pm |
re: #89 Killgore Trout
Does that mean you won't be buying a Romney/TubGirl 2012 bumper sticker from my Cafe Press store?
I think it means a round of Brain Bleach is in order.
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Stanghazi Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:02:12pm |
DOG, was this thread so apparently in a hijack attempt? 2 girls 1 cup? FOR REAL?
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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:04:07pm |
re: #94 Stanley Sea
DOG, was this thread so apparently in a hijack attempt? 2 girls 1 cup? FOR REAL?
Gf! Why aren't you taking that cool dip in the pool!?! Flee the computer!
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:06:35pm |
Well, its rare that I can get away with this being discussed in a thread, so enjoy
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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:07:13pm |
re: #91 Obdicut
A FAULTY “GAY PARENTING” STUDY
And:
Then you don't see why he'd think it was a threat to kids everywhere, if you agree it's a mistake to extrapolate from this one anecdote.
I suspect that Fischer (though of course I cannot know what exactly he is thinking) is basing his assumption of what same-sex households are like from the author's own experience, rather than the brief analysis of the aforementioned studies.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:08:19pm |
re: #97 Eclectic Infidel
I suspect that Fischer (though of course I cannot know what exactly he is thinking) is basing his assumption of what same-sex households are like from the author's own experience, rather than the brief analysis of the aforementioned studies.
I think he's basing it on the fact that he hates and fears gay people and would believe anything negative about them.
I'm sorry, I'm not really getting your point.
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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:10:31pm |
re: #98 Obdicut
I'm not sure I even have one. I really ought to refrain from posting when I am so incredibly tired and my body is aching as it is. (Read: took painkiller, downed with some vodka).
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Cap'n Magic Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:10:38pm |
I decided to reply to Mr. Concern Troll:
@BryanJFischer: ICYMI: Canada recognizes same-sex marriage. Let us know when you got that final railroad stop in Riyadh locked up, m'kay?
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Stanghazi Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:11:43pm |
re: #95 Eclectic Infidel
Gf! Why aren't you taking that cool dip in the pool!?! Flee the computer!
Done and back. You all are slow.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:11:49pm |
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:18:50pm |
The way conservatives bring about political change: ballots, not bullets; votes, not violence.— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) August 8, 2012
Doctor Tiller could not be reached for comment.
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Randall Gross Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:18:55pm |
Side note: there's a bit of recent history of religious extremists kidnapping children, and transporting them under false pretenses.
Recent instances that come to mind are:
The "evangelical earthquake adoptions" scandal from Haiti
The Rifkah Bary story
And the Lesbian mom who abducted their daughter from their partner after finding Jesus & who is hiding out in Costa Rica with evangelicals.
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erik_t Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:22:03pm |
The way conservatives bring about political change: ballots, not bullets; votes, not violence.
Abduction, not some other shit that starts with the letter 'a' because holy shit you literally said children should be kidnapped from gay parents.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:22:11pm |
re: #17 LudwigVanQuixote
Ironically, the only nations anti-gay enough for the are Islamic.
(Half Sarc) What about the Vatican?
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erik_t Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:23:19pm |
re: #106 jamesfirecat
(Half Sarc) What about the Vatican?
The boys would just get underground railroaded right back out.
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RadicalModerate Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:23:19pm |
I'm just waiting to see how the right-wing news and opinion groups spin this one.
Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Funeral Protests
President Barack Obama signed the Honoring America’s Veterans and Caring for Camp Lejeune Families Act of 2012 into law on Monday, providing a wide-ranging package of benefits to military personnel and enacting new restrictions on protests of service member funerals.
"We have a moral sacred duty to our men and women in uniform," Obama said before signing the bill, according to a pool report. "The graves of our veterans are hallowed grounds."
The new law will have strong implications for the Westboro Baptist Church, a Kansas-based organization which the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League have labeled a hate group. Westboro Baptist Church has drawn media attention for its brand of protest, which frequently links the deaths of soldiers to America's growing acceptance of gays.
Under the new legislation, protests must be held at least 300 feet from military funerals and are prohibited two hours before or after a service. The law counters a 2011 Supreme Court ruling, which found that displays such as Westboro's were protected under the First Amendment.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:23:52pm |
re: #103 Kragar
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Doctor Tiller could not be reached for comment.
Mr. Fischer, Malcolm X you are not.
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erik_t Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:24:48pm |
re: #108 RadicalModerate
I'm just waiting to see how the right-wing news and opinion groups spin this one.
Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Funeral Protests
I'll only say that protests should be distance-restricted from every funeral or from no funerals. It is, you see, a goddamned funeral.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:25:10pm |
re: #108 RadicalModerate
I'm just waiting to see how the right-wing news and opinion groups spin this one.
Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Funeral Protests
Talk about a conundrum. How do they support the troops and hate on Obama?
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RadicalModerate Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:26:45pm |
re: #103 Kragar
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Doctor Tiller could not be reached for comment.
Which is why Fischer, as well as his organization gave moral, and likely financial support to domestic terrorists like Eric Rudolph.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:27:22pm |
re: #106 jamesfirecat
(Half Sarc) What about the Vatican?
That depends on a lot of other circumstances. The Vatican has a very long history of looking the other way at homosexuality, bi-sexuality and all sorts of other sexuality if there are priests or higher orders involved.
And I am not going for the obvious cheap shot there. I am also not comparing consenting adults to the cheap shot either.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:30:53pm |
re: #110 erik_t
I'll only say that protests should be distance-restricted from every funeral or from no funerals. It is, you see, a goddamned funeral.
One way the old days were better in America... If the Phelps ass holes tried that even 50 years ago, they would have been beaten down and that would have been that.
And no, don't read that as advocating violence per se, see it instead that there was a time in America, when everyone got that it was a funeral, and you don't F with that.
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Stanghazi Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:31:38pm |
re: #111 Targetpractice
Talk about a conundrum. How do they support the troops and hate on Obama?
The Obama's pet project is vets coming home. It's been a complete conundrum for them. So they just ignore it.
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efuseakay Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:33:36pm |
How long before Bryan Fischer comes out of the closet...
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:34:06pm |
Tom Waits - "Hell Broke Luce"
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:34:08pm |
I love how the man encourages people to commit felonies, then spouts platitudes about how righteous and noble his group is.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:34:26pm |
re: #115 Stanley Sea
The Obama's pet project is vets coming home. It's been a complete conundrum for them. So they just ignore it.
Like good righties everywhere. Any data that does not fit the narrative is ignored.
I am so tired of that shit. You can't reason with those who reject reason itself. And I am also tired of hearing how we should "respect their views."
There is nothing to respect. I don't respect harmful delusions. That is why they are called harmful delusions.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:34:33pm |
re: #25 austin_blue
And if you had needed help, you could have given me a shout. To equate gay parents with Jim Jones and his ilk is beyond fucked up.
True that. If anyone is like Jim Jones, its Fischer not any gay leader.
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JAFO Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:36:17pm |
re: #99 Eclectic Infidel
I'm not sure I even have one. I really ought to refrain from posting when I am so incredibly tired and my body is aching as it is. (Read: took painkiller, downed with some vodka).
I'm pretty sure pain pills were designed to be taken with 2 shots of alcohol.
/
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:36:58pm |
re: #116 efuseakay
How long before Bryan Fischer comes out of the closet...
I can easily picture Fischer conducting hours of research every night.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:38:05pm |
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:42:15pm |
re: #117 Killgore Trout
Tom Waits - "Hell Broke Luce"
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More of a Leonard Cohen feel to the thread...
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:47:05pm |
Greetings from Indiana...
Things are going well...
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JAFO Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:49:46pm |
re: #125 Digital Display
Greetings from Indiana...
Things are going well...
Not if you're in Indiana!
//
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Mattand Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:51:58pm |
Anyone just catch Colbert? Just did a bit about Rep. Steve King, dog fighting, and abortion.
Must be seen to be believed.
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Interesting Times Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:54:40pm |
Hey guys! I found some polar ice caps here, so we should probably come melt those, right? Is that what we do now? HELLO?— SarcasticRover (@SarcasticRover) August 7, 2012
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Cap'n Magic Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:08:40pm |
re: #103 Kragar
Responded back to him verbatim via Twitter.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:09:42pm |
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JAFO Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:10:13pm |
Tea Party Group Jokes About Beating Obama To Death
Conservative humor is so witty.
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Gus Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:11:22pm |
re: #134 Big Joe
Tea Party Group Jokes About Beating Obama To Death
Conservative humor is so witty.
People are... loco.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:12:28pm |
Well I think we need an above ground railroad to deliver children from home schooling creationists dooming their kids to ignorance.
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Gus Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:13:09pm |
Yep. This Bryan Fischer Tweet caught my eye quick. There's something wrong with that man.
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Gus Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:16:35pm |
We need an underground railroad for guys like Fischer. This way when they travel we won't have to see them. We can even build some tunnels so they can go to the grocery store.
//
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Gus Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:30:57pm |
This Sikh shooter was originally from Colorado. That makes for 5 mass murderers from the state of Colorado: Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, Wade Michael Page, James Holmes, and Wade Michael Page.
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:32:16pm |
Catastrophic global warming alert: rare snowfall stuns S. Africa. hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) August 8, 2012
Yes, you fucking idiot. That is exactly what Global Warming produces. Where the fuck do you think the excess water in the atmosphere came from to allow that snowfall?
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JamesWI Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:35:38pm |
re: #140 Kragar
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Yes, you fucking idiot. That is exactly what Global Warming produces. Where the fuck do you think the excess water in the atmosphere came from to allow that snowfall?
Hundred bucks says Fischer also doesn't know it's winter in the southern hemisphere, and thinks this is snow-fall in the summer.....thereby disproving global warming.
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Cap'n Magic Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:36:16pm |
re: #137 Gus
What's ironic about him leading an organization that's devoted to the nuclear family is the the nuclear family is a serious aberration of what has passed down from many societies. As Andrew Weil noted in one of his books when it came to Hispanic families vs. what we have accepted as a nuclear family, he recounted an encounter with a Hispanic family in a hospital setting vs. a nuclear family. What it eventually boiled down to was a simple statement from the matriarch of the hispanic family: "We have a family. You (non-hispanic) have a restrictive family."
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SpaceJesus Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:39:07pm |
We need an aboveground insane asylum for Fischer and his followers
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:40:18pm |
re: #143 SpaceJesus
We need an aboveground insane asylum for Fischer and his followers
We need an ark, a launch facility, and a navigational chart to a black hole.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:41:56pm |
Looks like Romney dug up some black chick to be the face of Romney's racist dog whistle welfare lies. I swear sometimes I wish we gave out membership cards so that we could revoke them.
Also, too the black chick and an Obama rep were being interviewed on CNN about the issue and not once did the interviewer feel the need to point out that the Obama rep was telling the truth and that the Romney rep was lying. Hey liberal media, you aren't doing it right!
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Gus Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:43:52pm |
re: #142 Cap'n Magic
What's ironic about him leading an organization that's devoted to the nuclear family is the the nuclear family is a serious aberration of what has passed down from many societies. As Andrew Weil noted in one of his books when it came to Hispanic families vs. what we have accepted as a nuclear family, he recounted an encounter with a Hispanic family in a hospital setting vs. a nuclear family. What it eventually boiled down to was a simple statement from the matriarch of the hispanic family: "We have a family. You (non-hispanic) have a restrictive family."
We flew in months after the Cuban Missile Crisis. My dad happened to be in Manhattan to check the city out right at zero hour. The family flew in on a Pan Am 707. First stop was Miami from Buenos Aires. Points, Brooklyn. We were the nuclear family.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:45:54pm |
re: #140 Kragar
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Yes, you fucking idiot. That is exactly what Global Warming produces. Where the fuck do you think the excess water in the atmosphere came from to allow that snowfall?
Exactly. These people are always trying to prove that the Earth is actually cooling as if another ice age would better.
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dragonath Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:46:23pm |
Nuclear family, fusion family, it's all good.
But Fischer is a train wreck.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:50:57pm |
re: #149 SpaceJesus
would love to look at fischer's hard drive
Are you sure about that? I think it would be really gross. Like man-on-dog gross.
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:51:34pm |
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Gus Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:52:22pm |
It's all about culture, Mitt.
Olympic star Gabrielle Douglas can smile, all the way to the bank lat.ms/NbJO9B— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) August 8, 2012
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freetoken Tue, Aug 7, 2012 9:59:42pm |
re: #152 Gus
No doubt she'll get an offer for next spring's DWTS.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 7, 2012 10:07:05pm |
Meanwhile, this happened.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 10:14:55pm |
1st official picture of Daniel Day Lewis as Lincoln
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 7, 2012 10:20:10pm |
re: #108 RadicalModerate
I'm just waiting to see how the right-wing news and opinion groups spin this one.
Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Funeral Protests
Anybody else uncomfortable with this? Understand, I believe that Westboro protestors and their ilk are hideous excuses for humans, but it seems to me they have the right to vomit their shit all over the ground if they want to. I also believe that anyone who punches one of them in the mouth and knocks them to the ground should, at most, be charged with littering.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 7, 2012 10:26:35pm |
re: #158 austin_blue
Anybody else uncomfortable with this? Understand, I believe that Westboro protestors and their ilk are hideous excuses for humans, but it seems to me they have the right to vomit their shit all over the ground if they want to. I also believe that anyone who punches one of them in the mouth and knocks them to the ground should, at most, be charged with littering.
I'd keep the time restrictions but get rid of the distance provisions. Let them hate where they will, but not when they are deliberately trying to abuse those who have lost a family member.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 7, 2012 10:29:13pm |
The worse things go for Mitt, the more insane his supporters will become. Prepare to be subjected to the death spasms of a political campaign.
Sympathy won't help them, but a healthy dose of ridicule might wake them up.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 7, 2012 10:31:29pm |
re: #159 Dark_Falcon
I'd keep the time restrictions but get rid of the distance provisions. Let them hate where they will, but not when they are deliberately trying to abuse those who have lost a family member.
They aren't crying "Fire" in a movie theater. They pose no threat other than being really big assholes. Anything else you would like to ban?
And yes, I am playing Devil's Advocate here. Just trying to figure out what the limits are. At what point does disgustingly distasteful become restricted?
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freetoken Tue, Aug 7, 2012 10:33:05pm |
Atavism still running strongly in the GOP nationwide:
Conservative wins Mo. primary for Senate
The 65-year-old Akin first won election to a suburban St. Louis seat in the U.S. House in 2000 after narrowly prevailing in a five-way Republican primary. He campaigned for Senate by highlighting that he was once ranked as the most conservative member of Missouri's congressional delegation.
Jefferson County Tea Party founder wins Republican primary for county treasurer
'Right to pray' measure passes by wide margin
Reindeer farmer Kerry Bentivolio, Dr. Syed Taj win primaries in Thad McCotter's district
Political novice Kerry Bentivolio claimed a comfortable victory in the Republican primary for the seat vacated by former U.S. Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, withstanding a longshot write-in campaign from former state Sen. Nancy Cassis.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 7, 2012 10:35:15pm |
re: #161 austin_blue
They aren't crying "Fire" in a movie theater. They pose no threat other than being really big assholes. Anything else you would like to ban?
And yes, I am playing Devil's Advocate here. Just trying to figure out what the limits are. At what point does disgustingly distasteful become restricted?
When it is an act of malice aforethought. The Westboro haters openly state their intent to mock and defame those who died in service to our nation, and cause pain to their families.
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gwangung Tue, Aug 7, 2012 10:38:53pm |
re: #161 austin_blue
They aren't crying "Fire" in a movie theater. They pose no threat other than being really big assholes. Anything else you would like to ban?
And yes, I am playing Devil's Advocate here. Just trying to figure out what the limits are. At what point does disgustingly distasteful become restricted?
At the point where it intrudes into the ceremony. Disrupting someone else's activities isn't necessarily protected by the first amendment.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 7, 2012 10:40:46pm |
re: #163 Dark_Falcon
When it is an act of malice aforethought. The Westboro haters openly state their intent to mock and defame those who died in service to our nation, and cause pain to their families.
Agreed! But can it be restricted under freedom of speech? Yes, they're shitheads. Yes, it's awful. Yes, it's hateful. Yes, it's painful to the families and friends of the dead.
But it's just speech. And protected. Sucks, doesn't it? The law will never pass Constitutional muster. Typical election year legislation, when there is so much more important work to do.
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JamesWI Tue, Aug 7, 2012 10:50:17pm |
re: #165 austin_blue
Agreed! But can it be restricted under freedom of speech? Yes, they're shitheads. Yes, it's awful. Yes, it's hateful. Yes, it's painful to the families and friends of the dead.
But it's just speech. And protected. Sucks, doesn't it? The law will never pass Constitutional muster. Typical election year legislation, when there is so much more important work to do.
Considering "fighting words" is an accepted exception to the First Amendment, and the fact that I can't see anything designed to incite violence more than people at a soldier's funeral saying he deserved to die because of teh ghey......I'm good with the "ban."
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freetoken Tue, Aug 7, 2012 10:58:23pm |
Ok boys and girls, our overnight science lecture is on what can be learned by "deep sequencing" genes in a large pool (of 14,000 people):
[Link: rossmedia.bus.umich.edu...]
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 7, 2012 10:58:47pm |
re: #166 JamesWI
Considering "fighting words" is an accepted exception to the First Amendment, and the fact that I can't see anything designed to incite violence more than people at a soldier's funeral saying he deserved to die because of teh ghey......I'm good with the "ban."
Look, I'm on your side on this, but I just wonder if "God hates Fags" qualifies as hate speech. You want it to be. I do to, but given the fact that God hasn't weighed in on the subject, it's open for discussion.
Again, I've got problems with the possible scope of the law.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Aug 7, 2012 11:03:59pm |
re: #168 austin_blue
Again, I've got problems with the possible scope of the law.
My problem is that the Supremes just ruled on this in a 8-1 decision with Alito as the sole dissenter. With no changes to the Court there's absolutely zero reason to believe this will survive review.
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JamesWI Tue, Aug 7, 2012 11:04:19pm |
re: #168 austin_blue
Look, I'm on your side on this, but I just wonder if "God hates Fags" qualifies as hate speech. You want it to be. I do to, but given the fact that God hasn't weighed in on the subject, it's open for discussion.
Again, I've got problems with the possible scope of the law.
We don't have to refer to it as "hate speech." The definition of "fighting words" used by the Supreme Court is "those that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace." A standard definition is more like "words that are designed to incite hatred and/or violence from the target."
I'm pretty sure screaming "Your son deserved to die" at his frickin funeral falls under those definitions. And we could also go into the realm of "profane" and "obscene" speech, which are also not protected.
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palomino Tue, Aug 7, 2012 11:07:41pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
Until recently I thought our politics was based on American Idol. Now I'm thinking 2 girls one cup. When we get to Goatse, just shoot me.
That's really sick. Why would you even inject that into the discussion?
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JamesWI Tue, Aug 7, 2012 11:15:39pm |
Eh, reading over some "fighting words" cases, it looks like more recent Courts have limited it to words that actually carry a threat of violence. So going by that, I guess I'm wrong.
Just add it to the list of questionable Supreme Court decisions.....
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 7, 2012 11:27:07pm |
OK, just had the earth move here in So. Cal....
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JAFO Tue, Aug 7, 2012 11:37:49pm |
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 11:41:47pm |
re: #176 Big Joe
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqscanv/FaultMaps/118-34.html
Didn't feel anything down here.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Aug 7, 2012 11:51:23pm |
I assume that the ckidnapped children will be placed in an orphanage where they will learn Christians values like obedience, discipline and hard work...
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Aug 7, 2012 11:55:59pm |
Nice move:
Sandra Fluke, the Georgetown law student whom Rush Limbaugh notoriously labeled a "slut," will introduce President Barack Obama at a rally in Denver on Wednesday, offering further proof that the incumbent's campaign will use women's rights as a key issue in the 2012 presidential election.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Aug 7, 2012 11:57:39pm |
re: #179 goddamnedfrank
Nice move:
The Dems have to motivate people to get out in November: one thing that might do it is to remind women, gays and minorities of how the GOP wants to set the clock back on social progress in this country by decades.
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freetoken Tue, Aug 7, 2012 11:58:04pm |
A Louisiana preacher criticizes Jindal, the Jindal administration fights back:
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Kragar Tue, Aug 7, 2012 11:58:32pm |
re: #178 Expand Your Ground
I assume that the ckidnapped children will be placed in an orphanage where they will learn Christians values like obedience, discipline and hard work...
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freetoken Wed, Aug 8, 2012 12:00:43am |
Yes, this is America:
Letters: It’s evolution that’s based on faith
Many local papers carried an AP story decrying the fact that some charter schools would teach creationism and challenge evolution. God forbid! I mean Big Bang forbid!
The critics always point to evolution as a “scientific fact” and argue that creationism is a religious theory. I beg to differ.
You don’t have to be an MIT graduate to understand that the belief that nothing blew up and created a single-cell amoeba that over billions of years became a monkey then a man is not a scientific fact. It is not provable nor does it even follow the basic laws of science.
The laws of physics teach us that the Earth and every thing in it are in a state of entropy (decline), not evolving upward. Secondly, the fossil record which would have millions of transitional fossils (half bird, half fish) as Darwin purported is completely bankrupt of any, much less a “missing link.”
[...]
Mike Fuselier
educator
St. Martinville
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JAFO Wed, Aug 8, 2012 12:02:44am |
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Kragar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 12:03:33am |
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freetoken Wed, Aug 8, 2012 12:03:55am |
He seems to like to write letters. A few months ago:
[...]
The government systematically has destroyed the family structure, legislated discipline, God and morality out of schools and then heaped tons of meaningless bureaucracy on overburdened teachers. With the family in shambles, schools in disarray and teachers burned out, public education will continue to erode.
Much will be debated and discussed by politicians and teachers unions, but I firmly believe no real solutions will come forth because the real problems will not even be addressed. Unless morality and the God-ordained family is revived, public education will only be one of the problems destroying our state and nation.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Aug 8, 2012 12:04:42am |
re: #183 freetoken
We still have to come up with a system that accomodates the millions of people who think like this. A reservation system? I don't know. These people really do need their own Autonomous Republic somewhere...
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 8, 2012 12:06:24am |
Secondly, the fossil record which would have millions of transitional fossils (half bird, half fish)
oh yeah? oh yeah?? well whaddabout the flying monkeys?!? Huh? explain them!
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Kragar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 12:09:32am |
re: #189 engineer cat
Secondly, the fossil record which would have millions of transitional fossils (half bird, half fish)
oh yeah? oh yeah?? well whaddabout the flying monkeys?!? Huh? explain them!
Every fossil is transitional fossil
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 8, 2012 12:10:30am |
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freetoken Wed, Aug 8, 2012 12:13:27am |
Googling, there appears to be a "Mike Fuselier" who has been around for a while, showing up in many local outlets in Louisiana, both as a teacher and councilman, e.g.:
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freetoken Wed, Aug 8, 2012 12:18:20am |
He does like to write letters:
It’s time to heed Lincoln’s advice
President Abraham Lincoln warned that our great nation could never be destroyed by our enemies. He reasoned that the only thing that could bring down America was America herself.
The recent economic earthquake is only more proof that President Lincoln was correct. We could look at the plight of education, or the illegal immigration avalanche, but the pending economic crash has taken center stage as the greatest threat to our nation.
Our government’s irrational and irresponsible financial policies (Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) coupled with our society’s insatiable need to spend money we don’t have, have created a national debt of ominous proportions. Only two decades ago, we were the greatest lending nation in the world. Today we are the world’s greatest debtor!
Some have suggested that the greatest drop in stock market history had God’s signature on it: 777 points. I do know we would do well to heed the conclusion of President Lincoln when he lamented that we have become “intoxicated with unbroken success, too self sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, and too proud to pray to the God that made us.” I, for one, am heeding his wisdom.
Mike Fuselier
East Hamilton St.
St. Martinville
Well, he keeps on topic.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 8, 2012 12:25:31am |
He does stay in character:
The Bible assures us that “Righteous exalts a nation”- may we choose it.
And I'm sure that Louisiana is full of like-minded people, which is why Jindal's pro-creationism platform gets him elected.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 8, 2012 12:55:00am |
Scott Smith Arrested With Weapons Just Before 'The Dark Knight Rises' Screening: Cops
Scott Smith, 37, was arrested Saturday night after allegedly bringing guns, ammo and knives into a screening of "The Dark Knight Rises," Ohio police say.
Smith reportedly arrived in the Regal Westlake theater about an hour early for a 10 p.m. movie, and sat down in the back row, according to Fox-5.
A movie theater manager was suspicious of Smith's bag when he entered the theater, CBS-10 reports.
The Regal employee and an off-duty police officer serving as a security guard then searched the bag, where they found a loaded 9mm handgun, with two additional ammunition magazines and three knives, according to Fox-8.
The officer, identified by Gawker as Jeremiah Bullins, then frisked Smith and found a fourth knife.
Police later searched Smith man's home where other weapons were found, including seven rifles, five or six handguns, lots of ammo, gas masks and bulletproof vests, ABC-5 reported.
Smith, who served in the military for a brief period, did not have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, according to ABC-5 and TMZ.
I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for why this guy needed a small arsenal of guns he couldn't legally carry around in public.///
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freetoken Wed, Aug 8, 2012 12:56:56am |
BTW, WND is keeping up their Scary Black People theme with a new article tonight:
RACE RIOTS MEDIA WON'T TALK ABOUT
It's not even accurate to call these things "dog whistles" anymore -they are just plain racist agitprop.
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researchok Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:06:28am |
re: #195 freetoken
Makes me want to put on a skinny black tie and tilt a fedora way back
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Kragar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:13:24am |
Now my favorite song from the Fallout series remains this one
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:18:29am |
re: #202 Kragar
Now my favorite song from the Fallout series remains this one
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Yeah, had that playing more than a few times in the middle of combat.
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researchok Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:19:42am |
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Kragar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:20:54am |
re: #203 Targetpractice
Yeah, had that playing more than a few times in the middle of combat.
From New Vegas, I have to go with
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:35:42am |
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Kragar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:37:43am |
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:38:59am |
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Kragar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:45:19am |
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:46:41am |
They had a sale for the first three Fallout games on Steam just the other day. 66% off each.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:50:57am |
re: #210 Targetpractice
They had a sale for the first three Fallout games on Steam just the other day. 66% off each.
yeah, 6.79 for the whole set, I went and picked them up
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researchok Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:51:18am |
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:53:28am |
re: #211 Kragar
yeah, 6.79 for the whole set, I went and picked them up
Still got the disk I bought ages ago, all three plus the pencil-and-paper RPG that never went to print because of dispute over the copyright.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:32:12am |
You know, this morning thing is getting to be a habit with us . . . .
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:01:49am |
Yeah because a child having same sex parents is exactly like slavery, Bryan. Really fuck this bigot and the politicians who pander to him and his twisted ideology.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:30:56am |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:32:13am |
Y'all aren't helping me to stay awake.
Dogs already went back to bed.
I'm going too.
have a great one.!
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:41:16am |
Romney Gaffe-O-Matic:
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:51:07am |
Good morning Lizards!
Hot and humid in Philly. Settling in back in my old office cubicle since the projects are ended (for now) and we have moved off the project floor. Though I get to spend time down there this week getting the equipment ready to be packed out for another location.
Feline Overlord doing well and is being typically cranky and set in his superior ancient cat ways. He does not know that he has an appointment with the vet this afternoon...
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:39:01am |
LOL Corporate Media™
Romney's Popularity Stays Low, Obama's is Better, but with Challenges abcn.ws/Nd0aiu— ABC World News (@ABCWorldNews) August 8, 2012
Horse race! Horse race! Ratings!!1!1ty Derp.
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iossarian Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:55:46am |
re: #224 Interesting Times
LOL Corporate Media™
It's so stupid. The only reasons Obama isn't absolutely annihilating Romney in the polls are:
a) he's still black, and
b) the GOP is still doing dick-all to help the economy
And even with those factors, he's healthily up across the board.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:09:30am |
Thankfully, TPM's nice enough to boil it down:
ABC/WaPo: Romney Favorability Levels Off At Lowest Mark For A Presumptive Nominee
After his personal popularity saw a resurgence almost immediately after he wrapped up the Republican presidential nomination, Mitt Romney’s favorability rating has plateaued at a historically low level, according to a new poll released Wednesday.
According to the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, 40 percent of Americans hold a favorable view of Romney — virtually identical to the 41 percent high-water mark that his favorability rating reached in the ABC/WaPo survey from late May. Compounding matters for the presumptive Republican nominee: the percentage of the public who view him unfavorably has jumped from 45 percent to 49 percent. Romney’s standing is even lower among independents, with only 37 percent of the bellwether voting bloc viewing him favorably compared with 50 percent who view him unfavorably.
Romney’s 40 percent favorability mark represents the lowest midsummer personal popularity rating for a presumptive presidential nominee dating back to 1948. Perhaps Romney’s only solace is that former President George H.W. Bush nursed a comparable 41 percent favorability rating at a similar point in 1988. Bush, of course, went on to comfortably win the presidential election that year — although he wasn’t facing an incumbent.
That's poll numbers going back to 1948, which means the man enjoys a lower favorability than such historical duds as Mondale, McGovern, Dukakis, Dole, and Kerry.
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allegro Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:12:22am |
re: #224 Interesting Times
LOL Corporate Media™
I actually think this is a good thing so we don't get complacent. That makes all the difference in GOTV.
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Jimmah Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:13:48am |
Morning folks!
Great movie recommendation: 'Footnote'. An Israeli film, set in the murky world of Talmudic scholarship, it's a masterful family drama/academic satire involving sacrifice, honour and betrayal.
No trailer as it's choc-a-block with spoilers - here's the Rotten Tomatoes page instead.
[Link: www.rottentomatoes.com...]
Q: What do you call it when a Scots speaker and a Hebrew speaker have an argument on the internet?
A: A phlegm war.
I came up with this joke while watching this movie (I was commenting to ice what a phlegmy language hebrew is when she pointed out that my way of speaking is pretty phlegmy too)
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GunstarGreen Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:13:52am |
Having read through the link that Fischer provides, I particularly like how the author attributes his social awkwardness entirely to his parents being lesbians.
Spoilers: Even kids from 'traditional' households can come out socially awkward. Happens all the time. We call them geeks and nerds.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:14:57am |
re: #226 Targetpractice
Thankfully, TPM's nice enough to boil it down:
ABC/WaPo: Romney Favorability Levels Off At Lowest Mark For A Presumptive Nominee
That's poll numbers going back to 1948, which means the man enjoys a lower favorability than such historical duds as Mondale, McGovern, Dukakis, Dole, and Kerry.
Ouch. It's not going to get any better for him because he keeps on doing things that reenforce the image many have of him.
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Bulworth Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:15:39am |
And to whom will these children be delivered, Mister Fischer?
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:23:15am |
re: #227 allegro
I actually think this is a good thing so we don't get complacent. That makes all the difference in GOTV.
That's a good point, because too many voters (particularly low-info ones) pay attention only to the presidency and completely overlook the importance of down-ticket races. Obama winning isn't much of a prize if the Senate ends up in TP/GOP clutches:
Five Things Everyone Should Know About GOP Senate Candidate Todd Akin
1. Akin believes Medicare is unconstitutional.
...
2. Akin said that “the heart of liberalism really is a hatred for God.”
...
3. Akin is one of the most anti-gay GOP members of the House. According to a ThinkProgress analysis, Akin is one of the seven leading sponsors of anti-gay legislation in Congress, which perhaps follows from his belief that “anybody who knows something about the history of the human race knows that there is no civilization which has condoned homosexual marriage widely and openly that has long survived.” Akin has focused on gay members of the military, pushing legislation that would protect soldiers who chose to harass and bully their LGBT colleagues.4. Akin called recent legislation streamlining the student loan process a “state three cancer of socialism.”
...
5. Akin wants the United States to withdraw from the UN.
That's Missouri - will it go the way of Texas?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:30:23am |
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:31:58am |
re: #158 austin_blue
Anybody else uncomfortable with this? Understand, I believe that Westboro protestors and their ilk are hideous excuses for humans, but it seems to me they have the right to vomit their shit all over the ground if they want to. I also believe that anyone who punches one of them in the mouth and knocks them to the ground should, at most, be charged with littering.
I am. I hate what those people do but I just don't like a rule like that. Maybe a traveling group to counter protest Westbobo's shit, but making a rule like that irks me as much as Bush's "free speech zones" he set up at many of his appearances so he wouldn't have to hear the people he was supposed to be serving.
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makeitstop Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:32:37am |
re: #226 Targetpractice
Thankfully, TPM's nice enough to boil it down:
ABC/WaPo: Romney Favorability Levels Off At Lowest Mark For A Presumptive Nominee
That's poll numbers going back to 1948, which means the man enjoys a lower favorability than such historical duds as Mondale, McGovern, Dukakis, Dole, and Kerry.
This is why they started lying outright so early. I think it will only serve to drive those unfavorables even higher in the end, though.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:33:47am |
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Big Steve Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:36:17am |
re: #229 GunstarGreen
Having read through the link that Fischer provides, I particularly like how the author attributes his social awkwardness entirely to his parents being lesbians.
Spoilers: Even kids from 'traditional' households can come out socially awkward. Happens all the time. We call them geeks and nerds.
You are dead on here. Also, of the very limited number of gay parents that I know, seem to put far more effort into making sure their kids socialize than the rest of us. A neighbor Lesbian couple adopted an infant girl years ago who was the same age as my sons. They put far more effort into arranging play dates with my kids than I ever did. I remember when the kids were all in high school they informed me that their daughter was going to prom....with a BOY! They were bursting their buttons about that.
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allegro Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:44:46am |
re: #237 Big Steve
You are dead on here. Also, of the very limited number of gay parents that I know, seem to put far more effort into making sure their kids socialize than the rest of us. A neighbor Lesbian couple adopted an infant girl years ago who was the same age as my sons. They put far more effort into arranging play dates with my kids than I ever did. I remember when the kids were all in high school they informed me that their daughter was going to prom....with a BOY! They were bursting their buttons about that.
I think there is another issue in play as well. Parents who dearly want to be parents are going to be better at it, more dedicated and loving. Het couples are simply expected to become parents and there is considerable pressure on them to make babies regardless of their true desire to do so. Choosing not to is quite unacceptable in our culture. Gay couples have to go to a lot of trouble and often fight a lot of battles to become parents. They only do that out of a deep, sincere desire to parent.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:48:54am |
Egypt airstrikes in Sinai kill 20 'terrorists' in reprisal for attacks on military posts
The airstrikes along the Israeli-Egyptian border came after several Egyptian military checkpoints in the region were attacked overnight and three days after unknown gunmen attacked Egyptian border guards. The incidents have left Egypt lurching to contain the Sinai's growing lawlessness, which has been fostered by the upheaval of post-revolution Egypt and poses an important challenge for the country's new leadership.
An unnamed Egyptian senior military official told Agence France-Presse that “20 terrorists were killed” in the village of Tumah, near the Gaza border, by Apache helicopter strikes. The military source said the operation was ongoing and other airstrikes have been reported in neighboring villages.
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CriticalDragon1177 Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:58:23am |
Charles Johnson,
Of course he'll deny that he advocates kidnapping, (I don't think he wants to get in trouble with the law if anyone takes his advice) but its pretty obvious to most people what he's saying. People like Fischer are messed up.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:00:53am |
re: #240 CriticalDragon1177
Charles Johnson,
Of course he'll deny that he advocates kidnapping, (I don't think he wants to get in trouble with the law if anyone takes his advice) but its pretty obvious to most people what he's saying. People like Fischer are messed up.
I think what Bryan Fischer is fantasizing is that the "poor, helpless" children of gay parents will somehow make friends with them on social media, become influenced to run away and denounce their families for Jesus (a la Rivqa Bary)
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celticdragon Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:02:41am |
re: #22 Kragar
Fischer's brand of Christianity makes the Blood God look like the model of reason and composure.
Fischer needs an interrogation from the Ordo Heriticus.
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celticdragon Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:05:57am |
re: #34 b_sharp
I believe in nonviolence but I also believe in violence when necessary.
I have zero problems with violence as a reaction to anybody trying to touch my kid. The violence will be swift, effective and utterly ruthless in application.
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CriticalDragon1177 Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:09:22am |
re: #241 Learned Mother of Zion
I think what Bryan Fischer is fantasizing is that the "poor, helpless" children of gay parents will somehow make friends with them on social media, become influenced to run away and denounce their families for Jesus (a la Rivqa Bary)
Given his way of thinking that makes sense actually. Come to think of it, he probably does. He'd love nothing more than for a child raised by a gay couple to run away, and join a fundamentalist church and claim that his gay parents abused him, and the only reason the authorities wanted to put him back in the same houses as those men was because of political correctness, and that the feds were too bigoted against Christians to protect the child from the gay couple. He'd than get the homophobic equivalent of Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller to defend the kid in court against his "vile" homosexual parents and their lawyers.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:13:59am |
Ad linking Romney to death of the wife of a laid off steelworker not accurate
The ad makes it seem like Joe Soptic's wife, Ilyona Ranae Soptic, lost her battle with cancer shortly after he lost his job at GST Steel in Missouri, where he had worked for almost 30 years.
"When Mitt Romney closed the plant I lost my healthcare, and my family lost their healthcare," Soptic says in the ad put out by Priorities USA Action, the main pro-Obama super PAC. "A short time after that, my wife became ill. I don’t know how long she was sick and I think maybe she didn’t say anything because she knew we couldn’t afford the insurance."
It's a very heart-wrenching story, but it’s not accurate. Here is the actual timeline:
Romney stopped his day-to-day oversight at Bain Capital in 1999 when he left to run the Salt Lake City Olympics, though he officially remained CEO until 2002. Bain Capital shut down GST Steel in 2001, costing Soptic his job.
According to Mr. Soptic, his wife received her primary insurance through her employer – a local thrift store called Savers – and retained it even after his layoff. Soptic's policy through GST Steel was her secondary coverage.
In 2002, Mitt Romney formally left Bain. Sometime in 2002 or 2003, Mr. Soptic says his wife injured her rotator cuff and was forced to leave her job. As a result she lost her health insurance coverage and Mr. Soptic's new job as a janitor did not provide coverage for his spouse.
It was a few years later, in 2006, that Ilyona Soptic went to the hospital with symptoms of pneumonia. She was diagnosed with stage four cancer and passed away just days later.
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allegro Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:14:08am |
Speaking of parenting... we have a guest pooper for a couple of days, a dog my boys know well and see on a daily basis for walkies with our best park friend. He is not an infrequent guest since his mom has to travel on occasion for her job. For some reason, my boys are not liking his presence this time. When I try to give him some extra lovies to help ease his pain from missing his mom my boys GLARE at me. Man, the looks I am getting are killers. One of them even gave me a disapproving growl last night at bed time - the first time ever.
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Stanghazi Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:17:34am |
FBI: Wis. Temple Shooting Suspect Ultimately Died From Self-Inflected Gunshot Wound livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/fbi-wi… via @davidtaint
— TPM Livewire (@TPMLiveWire) August 8, 2012
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:20:30am |
re: #239 Killgore Trout
It was the first Egyptian airstrikes since 1973 in the Sinai. The raid had to be coordinated with Israel as per the Camp David Accords - and suggests that Egypt is more than willing to abide by the terms of the agreement particularly when its own forces are at risk of being targeted by terrorists from Gaza. There have been at least three additional skirmishes between Egyptian forces and terrorists along the Sinai frontier since the deadly attack that killed 16 security forces.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:20:51am |
WaPo's fact checker initially decline to give the new Obama SuperPAC ad a rating. They've changed their mind....;
New anti-Romney ad: same steelworker, tougher message (revised)
(NOTE: Since we had previously examined at length the circumstances of this Bain investment, we originally had restated the main points of an earlier column. Frankly, we were a bit distracted trying to untangle the welfare charges and countercharges on Tuesday. But new information has come to light and we have updated the column with a Pinocchio rating.)
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Soptic is welcome to his opinion on possible reasons for his wife’s death, but that does not mean Obama supporters should exploit it. On just every level, this ad stretches the bounds of common sense and decency.
Four Pinocchios
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celticdragon Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:22:47am |
re: #161 austin_blue
They aren't crying "Fire" in a movie theater. They pose no threat other than being really big assholes. Anything else you would like to ban?
And yes, I am playing Devil's Advocate here. Just trying to figure out what the limits are. At what point does disgustingly distasteful become restricted?
It is understood that you cannot go and have noisy protests at somebodies house in the street. It deprives that person and the neighbors from use of their property. I am not sure what any rulings are concerning protests at a wedding or Bar Mitzva, but I tend to error towards protecting the solemnity of important social ceremonies, including funerals. Forcing hundreds of people to share in your speech who do not wish to do so and disrupting a significant social ceremony like a funeral should be illegal in my view. I really do think the SCOTUS got this wrong. Disrupting a funeral and exploiting grief should not be a protected form of speech any more then having those same people screaming in front of my house at 3 in the morning.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:23:51am |
re: #249 lawhawk
It was the first Egyptian airstrikes since 1973 in the Sinai. The raid had to be coordinated with Israel as per the Camp David Accords - and suggests that Egypt is more than willing to abide by the terms of the agreement particularly when its own forces are at risk of being targeted by terrorists from Gaza. There have been at least three additional skirmishes between Egyptian forces and terrorists along the Sinai frontier since the deadly attack that killed 16 security forces.
I'm also seeing reports of individual vehicles being targeted. To me that suggests that Israel is providing intel and possible drone surveillance. I'm glad to see that the MB is willing to let the military clean up Sinai. I was worried they might sit back and let the terror groups operate. This is good news.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:24:27am |
re: #248 Stanley Sea
So basically, he did everyone a favor. It's too bad he had to take out a bunch of innocent people in the process.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:25:02am |
re: #232 Interesting Times
That's a good point, because too many voters (particularly low-info ones) pay attention only to the presidency and completely overlook the importance of down-ticket races. Obama winning isn't much of a prize if the Senate ends up in TP/GOP clutches:
Five Things Everyone Should Know About GOP Senate Candidate Todd Akin
That's Missouri - will it go the way of Texas?
Yikes what a nutjob. Yet another great Tea Party candidate.
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Stanghazi Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:25:43am |
re: #253 Lidane
So basically, he did everyone a favor. It's too bad he had to take out a bunch of innocent people in the process.
The cop he shot is up walking, so that's good. Unbelievably sad for the 6 dead.
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celticdragon Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:27:12am |
re: #246 Killgore Trout
So Bain and Romney still screwed the family over, and cost them vital health insurance they needed.
By the by, Romney WAS still CEO and had responsibility. Retroactively retiring is utter, unmitigated bullshit.
Remember folks! Privatize the profits and socialize the losses! Non Galtian Moochers like Soptic and his wife had it coming for not being part of the deserving investor class!
//
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celticdragon Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:29:48am |
re: #246 Killgore Trout
They needed the health insurance that Bain took from them. No health insurance is why she stopped having health exams. I have seen it in my own family personally...and it cost my mother in law her life.
Lack of health insurance kills.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:32:34am |
re: #257 celticdragon
They needed the health insurance that Bain took from them. No health insurance is why she stopped having health exams. I have seen it in my own family personally...and it cost my mother in law her life.
Lack of health insurance kills.
but but but WaPo says that's a lie and they're never wrong!11ty!
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:36:12am |
If Romney's VPs are down to Pawlenty, Portman or Ryan, at least we can be sure that the white male will finally have a voice in America.— Andy Borowitz (@BorowitzReport) August 8, 2012
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:38:38am |
re: #253 Lidane
So basically, he did everyone a favor. It's too bad he had to take out a bunch of innocent people in the process.
This is going to get worse before it gets better. These freaks will come crawling out from under every rock after Obama is re-elected, possibly before or during the election if things don't seem to be going their way. Limbaugh, Hannity and the usual suspects will pull the trigger with their non-stop yammering about voter fraud. This will reach a deafening crescendo on election day. Yet they will pretend holy horror when some misguided "patriot" acts on their incitement. They will shout down any suggestion of their own culpability and attempt to tar the perp as some kind of lefty.
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wrenchwench Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:38:42am |
re: #247 allegro
Speaking of parenting... we have a guest pooper for a couple of days, a dog my boys know well and see on a daily basis for walkies with our best park friend. He is not an infrequent guest since his mom has to travel on occasion for her job. For some reason, my boys are not liking his presence this time. When I try to give him some extra lovies to help ease his pain from missing his mom my boys GLARE at me. Man, the looks I am getting are killers. One of them even gave me a disapproving growl last night at bed time - the first time ever.
My two cats are insanely jealous of each other. Yesterday one crawled under the bed and sulked because I petted the other one. OK, I kissed him too...
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Lidane Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:42:06am |
re: #260 Shiplord Kirel
This is going to get worse before it gets better. These freaks will come crawling out from under every rock after Obama is re-elected, possibly before or during the election if things don't seem to be going their way.
I'm already expecting the next four years to be a constant stream of right wing fail if President Obama gets a second term.
I'm almost positive they're going to try and impeach him for Being POTUS While Black since they can't nail him on anything else, and the RWNJ blogs will be even crazier than usual.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:44:21am |
re: #259 Interesting Times
I'm betting on Portman. He is a finance bureaucrat by experience and could help with a major swing state.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:46:54am |
re: #257 celticdragon
They needed the health insurance that Bain took from them. No health insurance is why she stopped having health exams. I have seen it in my own family personally...and it cost my mother in law her life.
Lack of health insurance kills.
Employer based health insurance stinks. Especially in an economic downturn when people lose their jobs. It's a sad story but I think it's over the top and classless to blame Mitt personally for the woman's death.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:48:24am |
Southern Poverty Law Center's @hatewatch tracked Wade Page for 10+ years but FBI didn't know of him. Does FBI not track white terrorists?— Richard Robbins (@rich1) August 7, 2012
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Kronocide Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:48:30am |
Romney spokesperson Andrea Saul linked to climate science smear campaign
Greenpeace releases briefing exposing details of Saul’s connections to DCI Group, ExxonMobil
WASHINGTON, DC—Today, Greenpeace released a briefing detailing Romney campaign operative and Press Secretary Andrea Saul’s involvement with DCI Group, a firm that was on contract to ExxonMobil at the height of the oil company’s campaign to attack global warming science and climate change policy.
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iossarian Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:52:51am |
re: #265 Killgore Trout
Employer based health insurance stinks. Especially in an economic downturn when people lose their jobs. It's a sad story but I think it's over the top and classless to blame Mitt personally for the woman's death.
I think it's over the top and classless for Mitt to take massive tax deductions on his mansions and dancing horses while people in the US die because they can't afford to see a doctor, but I guess that's just because I don't have the same priorities as you.
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gwangung Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:54:50am |
re: #265 Killgore Trout
Employer based health insurance stinks. Especially in an economic downturn when people lose their jobs. It's a sad story but I think it's over the top and classless to blame Mitt personally for the woman's death.
I think it's classless to excuse Romney.
Why? Because he most certainly will continue the current policies and has repudiated the current MODEST changes being made. As well, he has offered no solutions to change this for the better.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:57:43am |
re: #268 iossarian
I think it's over the top and classless for Mitt to take massive tax deductions on his mansions and dancing horses while people in the US die because they can't afford to see a doctor, but I guess that's just because I don't have the same priorities as you.
I'd like to see these points made over and over again.
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Kronocide Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:59:28am |
re: #265 Killgore Trout
Employer based health insurance stinks. Especially in an economic downturn when people lose their jobs. It's a sad story but I think it's over the top and classless to blame Mitt personally for the woman's death.
Yes, you could make a case that Mr Soptic is over the top and classless for blaming Romney for his wife dying. Go ahead, you tell him.
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iossarian Wed, Aug 8, 2012 8:59:53am |
The ad clearly lays out the progression that the Romneys of the world prescribe as the correct economic path to take:
- businesses are asset-stripped by investors to extract value
- as a result, solid middle-class jobs are lost and replaced with lower-wage transient employment
- in a country where there is no guarantee of healthcare without money to pay for it (again because of the right wing), this means that people forego medical treatment
- people die as a result: wives, husbands, sons, daughters
Romney gets his dancing horses and his mansions, regular folk die of preventable causes.
Is pointing that out classless? Tells you a lot about class in the US if it is.
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efuseakay Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:00:32am |
re: #265 Killgore Trout
Employer based health insurance stinks. Especially in an economic downturn when people lose their jobs. It's a sad story but I think it's over the top and classless to blame Mitt personally for the woman's death.
Employer-based insurance is better than no insurance.
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allegro Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:00:43am |
re: #269 gwangung
I think it's classless to excuse Romney.
Why? Because he most certainly will continue the current policies and has repudiated the current MODEST changes being made. As well, he has offered no solutions to change this for the better.
Agreed. Putting faces on those whose lives have been trashed as a result of the actions of Bain and other such predatory players for self-enrichment regardless of the costs helps to illustrate fundamental problems in our society.
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iossarian Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:02:22am |
re: #271 Kronocide
Yes, you could make a case that Mr Soptic is over the top and classless for blaming Romney for his wife dying. Go ahead, you tell him.
Just once I'd like to see one of these smug apologists for the right come face to face with a Mr. Soptic, or the parents of some kid from Afghanistan who was abducted, tortured and killed by the US, and explain why their anger and grief are misplaced.
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gwangung Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:02:51am |
re: #274 allegro
Agreed. Putting faces on those whose lives have been trashed as a result of the actions of Bain and other such predatory players for self-enrichment regardless of the costs helps to illustrate fundamental problems in our society.
And it shouldn't be classless to point out that this is a result of Romney's actions, right?
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:05:51am |
Classless: pointing out that America is not a classless society.
The height of class: 39 million uninsured and underinsured in the richest country on earth.
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:07:28am |
Newt Alleges Welfare Conspiracy, Calls Obama ‘The Anti-Clinton’
Newt Gingrich accused President Obama on Wednesday of a secret “radical” plot to end work requirements in welfare reform, brushing aside denials from both the Republican architect of the 1996 bill and the Democratic president who signed it into law.
“I think on the hard left, there is an unending desire to create a dependent America,” Gingrich said.
“It’s not just that Obama is a radical, it’s that the people he appoints are more radical,” he said.” Gingrich also accused Secretary of Health and Human Service Kathleen Sebelius of lying when she pledged to veto state requests to water down work requirements in welfare.
Gingrich joined Mitt Romney and other Republican leaders in contrasting former President Bill Clinton, whom they now hold up as a model of bipartisanship, with Obama.
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But Gingrich’s repeated insistence that Obama had gutted work requirements in welfare were flatly false. Despite Gingrich’s praise, Clinton himself decried the latest attacks from the right as “not true” and “misleading.” The Republican aide who crafted the 1996 law, Ron Haskins, said Wednesday that “there’s no plausible scenario under which it really constitutes a serious attack on welfare reform.”
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:09:12am |
Get your 3_D glasses out!
Curiosity sends back flood of new views from Mars
A 3-D view in front of NASA's Curiosity rover, which landed on Mars on August 5, 2012, is seen in this image released by NASA August 7, 2012. The anaglyph was made from a stereo pair of Hazard-Avoidance Cameras on the front of the rover. Mount Sharp, a peak that is about 5.5 miles (3.4 miles) high, is visible rising above the terrain, though in one "eye" a box on the rover holding the drill bits obscures the view. This image was captured by Hazard-Avoidance cameras on the front of the rover at full resolution shortly after the rover landed. It has been linearized to remove the distorted appearance that results from its fisheye lens.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:09:26am |
re: #268 iossarian
I think it's over the top and classless for Mitt to take massive tax deductions on his mansions and dancing horses while people in the US die because they can't afford to see a doctor, but I guess that's just because I don't have the same priorities as you.
THIS x Infinity.
But hey, for all we know those poor people who lost their insurance were sympathetic to Occupy, so fuck it. Let them die.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:10:25am |
re: #279 The Ghost of a Flea
Newt has one impressive set of stones to pretend that he thinks Clinton is an admirable democrat.
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Gus Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:11:12am |
re: #265 Killgore Trout
Employer based health insurance stinks. Especially in an economic downturn when people lose their jobs. It's a sad story but I think it's over the top and classless to blame Mitt personally for the woman's death.
I think it's classless to waterboard people.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:11:29am |
re: #283 Mocking Jay
Newt has one impressive set of stones to pretend that he thinks Clinton is an admirable democrat.
Newt thinks that people will forget the epic temper tantrums he threw when Clinton was in office.
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iossarian Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:12:01am |
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Gus Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:12:30am |
re: #286 iossarian
You mustn't be a Classical Liberal then.
I think it's classless to not respond to Ted Nugent's comments about the POTUS.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:13:16am |
re: #284 Gus
I think it's classless to waterboard people.
And I think it's classless and over the top to invade other countries on trumped up evidence (Yellow cake! WMD! Eleventy!). But what do I know? I'm just an unemployed grad school graduate whose student health insurance expired last month.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:13:21am |
@davocsounds @davestroup Exactly. The judge tried to steal this child from her mother. That's the problem.— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) August 8, 2012
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GunstarGreen Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:14:40am |
In the United State of America, without the universal coverage offered by the ACA, people who do not have the money to pay for a doctor are told to piss off and die quietly.
The idea, propagated by the American right wing, that it's okay because "hospitals can't turn people away" is a myth. Yes, you can go to the emergency room after you're already screwed and they'll have to treat you, but this does not really help you, AND it simply passes the cost onto everyone who *can* pay. The best care is preventative care. If you cannot pay, you may very well die from something that you would have lived through, had you been able to get treated months or years earlier.
This is not about "subsidizing unhealthy lifestyles", as the right likes to claim. Cancer does not give one single shit what your lifestyle is. Certain choices, such as smoking, can increase your risk. But you can develop cancer even if you life your life perfectly healthy at all times.
Yes, employer-based health insurance is a failure of a system. That is why it needs to be replaced by universal single-payer. Mitt Romney intends to maintain the status-quo. The status-quo means that people who cannot afford medical care die. You do the math.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:15:48am |
Head of Underground Railroad to deliver innocent children from same-sex households goes on trial. chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us...— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) August 8, 2012
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Gus Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:19:00am |
"Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters" (Matthew 12:30)
Burp.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:19:27am |
Fuck Fischer seriously. My cousin is raising two daughters with his husband and is a much better father than a lunatic like Fischer ever will be. The fact that an asshole like this who advocates kidnapping children gets to speak at a "value voters summit" shows you that so called value voters have no real values at all. Only hate.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:19:57am |
re: #291 Learned Mother of Zion
An "underground railroad" to deliver children from same-sex households = child kidnapping ring. Period.
Fischer is evil, full stop.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:20:15am |
re: #279 The Ghost of a Flea
Newt Alleges Welfare Conspiracy, Calls Obama ‘The Anti-Clinton’
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Does Newt ever tire of hearing himself blather. Shut up Newt.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:24:35am |
re: #296 HappyWarrior
Does Newt ever tire of hearing himself blather.
LOL no. Why do you think he ran for POTUS?
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Flounder Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:24:46am |
Fasig Tipton Horse Sale, one yearling went for
$1.57 million
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
No word if Mitt was there.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:26:09am |
re: #297 Lidane
LOL no. Why do you think he ran for POTUS?
Seriously, it amuses me that the right accuses Obama of being a narcissist when their candidate roster is full of them. Chief among them is Newt and their nominee.
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Gus Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:29:06am |
Will Obamacare kill off White Castle? mojo.ly/PE4HXh— Mother Jones (@MotherJones) August 8, 2012
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:31:55am |
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Gus Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:32:23am |
Must read from @stevebenen on Romney's use of Clinton: maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/08/...— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) August 8, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:32:40am |
Breaking...
Walter Reed swept for bomb amid scare
(CBS News) The Navy says that a sweep for a bomb at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland is almost complete following reports of a possible threat, CBS News has learned.
CBS affiliate WUSA in Washington, D.C. obtained an email that was sent to the Walter Reed staff that read in part:
"Code BLACK"
"In response to a security concern we are currently in a Code BLACK level of security. As a result, building 19 (American Building) no personnel, patients or visitors are allowed in this building and no one is allowed to leave.
"Code BLACK will remain in effect until further notice and additional information will be shared with WRNMMC personnel through their Chain of Command and WRNMMC postmasters."
As of 12 p.m. ET, the center announced on its website that "all appointments at Walter Reed Bethesda" have been suspended until 13:00."
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:33:10am |
re: #302 Lidane
*sigh*
Mandate under Romney, good. Mandate under Obama, terrible. Really Romney's campaign is probably the most brazenly dishonest one I've ever seen.
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Gus Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:33:26am |
re: #303 Millicent Islam
Derpy deeds, done derp cheap.
[x] Mother Jones
[x] MSNBC...
Mitt Romney versus Bill Clinton bit.ly/TgTr7Y— Daily Kos (@dailykos) August 8, 2012
[x] Daily Kos
Hurr hurr and a derpity derpy do!
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jaunte Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:34:25am |
re: #272 iossarian
- businesses are asset-stripped by investors to extract value
- as a result, solid middle-class jobs are lost and replaced with lower-wage transient employment
- in a country where there is no guarantee of healthcare without money to pay for it (again because of the right wing), this means that people forego medical treatment
- people die as a result: wives, husbands, sons, daughters
These are facts; "classless" is an emotional argument.
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compound_Idaho Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:34:52am |
There: #250 Killgore Trout
WaPo's fact checker initially decline to give the new Obama SuperPAC ad a rating. They've changed their mind....;
New anti-Romney ad: same steelworker, tougher message (revised)Four Pinocchios
According to CNN, the ad is pretty much total BS. Mrs. Soptic was never without health insurance.
[Link: whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com...]
According to Mr. Soptic, his wife received her primary insurance through her employer – a local thrift store called Savers – and retained it even after his layoff. Soptic's policy through GST Steel was her secondary coverage.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:35:08am |
Pretty telling that the Republican who put together Welfare Reform is calling Romney out on his lying bullshit. Nice try, Mitt. Go play with one of your expensive horses and be honest for once in your life.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:43:24am |
Jewish gal shows up IOC with a gold salute to Munich 11
It wasn’t a gloved-fist salute from the medal stand, but Jewish-American gymnast Aly Raisman made quite a statement yesterday by winning a gold medal and invoking the memory of the Israeli athletes killed 40 years ago in Munich.
Raisman finished first in the women’s floor exercise, but she deserves to have another medal draped around her neck for having the chutzpah to face the world and do what needed to be done and say what needed to be said.
At the same Olympic Games where bigoted organizers stubbornly refuse to honor the slain athletes with a moment of silence, 18-year-old Raisman loudly shocked observers first by winning, then by paying her own tribute to 11 sportsmen who died long before she was born.
And if that weren’t enough, she won her event with the Hebrew folk song “Hava Nagila” playing in the background.
“Having that floor music wasn’t intentional,” an emotional but poised Raisman told reporters after her performance.
“But the fact it was on the 40th anniversary is special, and winning the gold today means a lot to me.”
Then Raisman stuck the landing.
“If there had been a moment’s silence,” the 18-year-old woman told the world, “I would have supported it and respected it.”
It was 40 years ago at the 1972 Munich Games that members of the Israeli Olympic delegation were taken hostage and eventually killed by Palestinian radicals.
Executed in the massacre were 11 Israeli athletes and officials and a West German police officer.
The martyrs were remembered this week during a London ceremony filled with sadness and reflection.
But not a peep about them has been said publicly in the one place where it counts — at the Summer Games on Olympic soil.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:46:20am |
re: #310 Daniel Ballard
yep, following the one from last night.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:46:59am |
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:47:32am |
re: #311 compound_Idaho
And it's a safe bet her primary insurance wouldn't cover her treatment but his health plan, which was most likely better, would have.
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Gus Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:48:28am |
OMG.This might just be the moment Mitt Romney lost the election.Wow. politico.com/news/stories/0...— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) August 8, 2012
Quack, quack.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:49:34am |
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Kragar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:50:42am |
Man, wingnuts are really getting pissed that one of them got stuck in Arpaio's prison camp.
Jailed AZ Pastor Unfairly Stuck in Arpaio's 'Concentration Camp'
He's in Tent City. If you don't know what Tent City is, I'm telling your listeners, go Google it - it is a concentration camp. It has stun fences, electric fences, no air conditioning, people live in tents on the ground and men have to wear pink underwear to humiliate them. There's no air conditioning; it's a 145 degrees there. So that's where he's at.
So when Sheriff Joe was just throwing Brown people into his camp, he was the coolest guy ever, but when a buddy gets tossed in there, it becomes an inhuman concentration camp?
Go fuck yourselves.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:51:52am |
1 km (1 miles) NNW (348°) from Yorba Linda, CA
6 km (4 miles) ENE (73°) from Placentia, CA
9 km (6 miles) ESE (107°) from Brea, CA
11 km (7 miles) NE (53°) from Anaheim, CA
11 km (7 miles) SW (217°) from Chino Hills, CA
45 km (28 miles) ESE (112°) from Los Angeles Civic Center, CA
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Gus Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:56:50am |
Journalists need to push back when Romney tries that "states only" lie about the individual mandate to get out of this. mediaite.com/a/lgrdb— Tommy Christopher (@tommyxtopher) August 8, 2012
Romney to suggest repealing the 13th Amendment to divert attention from Romneycare mention.— Jesse Taylor (@jesseltaylor) August 8, 2012
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Kronocide Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:57:47am |
Derpy Bubbles
Derpy bubbles (Derpy bubbles)
In the whine (in the whine)
Make me happy (make me happy)
Make me feel fine (make me feel fine)derpy bubbles (derpy bubbles)
Make me hate all over
With a feeling that I'm gonna
Tweet you till the end of timeSo here's to the golden moon
And here's to the party's tea
And mostly here's a toast
To you and meSo here's to the Limbaugh bray
I give to you today
And here's a blog link
That will not fade away
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:58:18am |
re: #322 Shiplord Kirel
looks like it was an aftershock from last night's quake. Or maybe last night's was a foreshock. I felt the one last night and the one this morning.
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allegro Wed, Aug 8, 2012 9:58:37am |
re: #319 Gus
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Quack, quack.
Andrea Saul, Romney’s campaign press secretary, said during an appearance on Fox News. “There are a lot of people losing their jobs and losing their health care in President [Barack] Obama’s economy.”
I think it's pretty clear that people have lost their jobs and health care thanks to an economy that serves the Romney 1% class at the expense of the 99% of the rest of the country. Nice try for a diversion though. And more lies.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:00:56am |
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:01:41am |
re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist
Kol ha-kavod.
awesome sauce.
(Also it sucked that Gabby Douglas fell off the beam)
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Gus Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:02:25am |
Mitt Romney's opposition to policies embraced by the MS community comes after yrs. of Ann advocating for those with MS mojo.ly/OLFcVO— Mother Jones (@MotherJones) August 8, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:03:09am |
Bummer, I saw them at Red Rocks in 1982...
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:03:36am |
re: #329 Learned Mother of Zion
awesome sauce.
(Also it sucked that Gabby Douglas fell off the beam)
Yeah. :(
(My husband officially hates women's gymnastics, and refuses to watch them, but has watched them anyway, because they're winning, and he likes to see U.S. athletes win stuff. Plus, his late mom liked gymnastics, so I think that grumbling about how bored he is while the girls flip around is sort of comforting to him.)
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:03:45am |
Ding war going on at the SJS thread. Knock it off you guys.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:05:21am |
re: #333 Learned Mother of Zion
Ding war going on at the SJS thread. Knock it off you guys.
I'm not even going over.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:05:32am |
re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. :(
(My husband officially hates women's gymnastics, and refuses to watch them, but has watched them anyway, because they're winning, and he likes to see U.S. athletes win stuff. Plus, his late mom liked gymnastics, so I think that grumbling about how bored he is while the girls flip around is sort of comforting to him.)
Zedushka watched the gymnastics last night, even though he is totally not interested in sports, he's amazed at what the human body is capable of doing.
I did not get to see Aly Raisman's Gold performance because NBC broadcast it way past my bedtime.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:06:38am |
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:07:18am |
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allegro Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:08:36am |
re: #330 Gus
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Ann may have advocated for MS patients by speaking about her battles. However, I note that her horse riding that she says has been so beneficial to her results in her investment in Olympic horses rather than investment in programs to enable other patients without her riches to afford those same benefits. Certainly her right, but it does not engender the greatest level of my respect.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:10:04am |
Uh oh...
Hezbollah smuggles high-grade explosives into Israel
A series of Hezbollah terror attacks inside Israel were foiled recently by the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) after a group of Israeli-Arabs helped smuggle 20 kilograms of high-grade explosives into Israel.
On Wednesday, eight residents of Nazareth and the town of Ghajar - half of which is in Israel and the other half in Lebanon - were charged in the Nazareth District Court with assisting in the infiltration of the explosives.
The 20 kg of C-4 explosives - each kilogram was wrapped separately and could have been used to assemble a separate bomb - were smuggled into Israel in a single bag by a number of residents of Ghajar on June 5.
The bag was transferred a few days later to a resident of Nazareth, Abed Zoabi - another known drug dealer - who hid the bag in his backyard where it was captured by the Israel Police in mid July.
"The explosives could have been used against any type of target inside Israel," a senior Shin Bet official said on Wednesday. "This is just the tip of the iceberg of Hezbollah's efforts against Israel...the attempted attack here and the recent attack in Bulgaria are all carried out by the same organization."
This is a big catch. How much have they missed?
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Gus Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:10:52am |
Some things never change. Fortunately it's a big world with other venues to discuss issues with people with like ideas.
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Political Atheist Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:11:22am |
re: #322 Shiplord Kirel
Stirred my coffee for me in dtown LA
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:11:56am |
re: #338 allegro
Ann may have advocated for MS patients by speaking about her battles. However, I note that her horse riding that she says has been so beneficial to her results in her investment in Olympic horses rather than investment in programs to enable other patients without her riches to afford those same benefits. Certainly her right, but it does not engender the greatest level of my respect.
Most MS patients (heck, I'd guess ALL MS patients except for Ann Romney) do not have the option of horsey ballet as therapy.
Also, no advanced MS patient is capable of the amount of control needed for Olympic-level participation.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:12:39am |
re: #340 Gus
Some things never change. Fortunately it's a big world with other venues to discuss issues with people with like ideas.
Isn't that nice?
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:16:20am |
re: #246 Killgore Trout
Ad linking Romney to death of the wife of a laid off steelworker not accurate
Mitt Romney did not suffocate his wife with a pillow in the hospital! We deny those unfounded charges!!!
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Sionainn Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:16:49am |
re: #322 Shiplord Kirel
1 km (1 miles) NNW (348°) from Yorba Linda, CA
6 km (4 miles) ENE (73°) from Placentia, CA
9 km (6 miles) ESE (107°) from Brea, CA
11 km (7 miles) NE (53°) from Anaheim, CA
11 km (7 miles) SW (217°) from Chino Hills, CA
45 km (28 miles) ESE (112°) from Los Angeles Civic Center, CA
I felt it in Ontario, California this morning.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:17:09am |
Cindy Jacobs: I Have the Power to Revive Dead Children
Televangelist and self-styled Apostle Cindy Jacobs possesses the supernatural power to initiate miracles. It isn’t too far-fetched, considering that her mentor and founder of the New Apostolic Reformation C. Peter Wagner has claimed that people like himself “can do the same or greater things than Jesus did.” On the August 6th edition of her show God Knows, the self-proclaimed “respected prophet” channeled her supernatural powers live on air to revive a dead child, claiming to have done so in the past as well. Jacobs has previously claimed that Satan “wants to steal God’s family and create tyranny” and that health care reform requires everyone to have a computer chip “put in their finger” in order to receive care.
And people actually fall for this horseshit?
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allegro Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:18:17am |
re: #342 Learned Mother of Zion
Most MS patients (heck, I'd guess ALL MS patients except for Ann Romney) do not have the option of horsey ballet as therapy.
Also, no advanced MS patient is capable of the amount of control needed for Olympic-level participation.
I lost my best friend to MS a number of years ago. She deteriorated at a shocking speed - perhaps because she did not have resources beyond treatment afforded by Medicaid - and I had to put her in a nursing home (I had her power of attorney) when it got too bad for her to remain at home. It is a horrific disease and I still grieve the loss of this wonderful, vibrant woman.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:18:46am |
re: #347 Kragar
Cindy Jacobs: I Have the Power to Revive Dead Children
And people actually fall for this horseshit?
To the tune of millions of dollars. Just look at the money that Benny Hinn and the other televangelist hucksters bring in.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:20:48am |
re: #347 Kragar
Cindy Jacobs: I Have the Power to Revive Dead Children
And people actually fall for this horseshit?
People with dead, or very sick, children, will fall for basically anything.
Then again, some other people, who have no excuse, will also fall for basically everything.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:20:52am |
AFA President: "We are on the Road to Self-Destruction"
Is America worth trying to save? Save from what you might ask. Is America worth saving from self-destruction? Maybe that's a better question to ask.
Civilizations have risen and fallen through the ages. Countries have been birthed and countries have died. I believe the United States of America was birthed by the God of the Bible primarily for the purpose of advancing the gospel of Jesus Christ both here and around the world unlike any other country in history.
…
In modern day America, there is very little shame anymore. Most Americans have lost their fear of God. We are on the road to self-destruction.
Secularists mock the idea of God. Judges forbid even the acknowledgement of God in many public places. We teach our children they come from monkeys. Those who hold to the biblical definition of marriage are called hatemongers. The entertainment industry promotes sex without moral standards day after day, movie after movie, song after song - influencing our youth beyond measure. Try to raise any objection to this tide of immorality and you are quickly shouted down, ridiculed, called a prude, a hater, a religious nut, a censor or a fundamentalist.
What we are experiencing today in America is unbridled selfishness and licentiousness and the results are manifesting themselves in many terrible ways that will only get worse if things don't change.
For the Christian in America today there is only so much we can do. Only 43% of our fellow countrymen even go to church today. We are now outnumbered. But that which we can do, with God's help, we must do. We can pray to God that He send revival to America. We can continue to build strong Christian families. We can put our denominational barriers aside when there are shared values we can defend concerning issues that affect the moral health of our nation. We can share our faith. We can continue to hold high the standard of righteousness and we can vote for candidates who best reflect our values. There are no perfect candidates, but we are a nation of laws so we must elect the best available lawmakers to govern us and hold them accountable.
So to answer my own question, yes, America is worth trying to save. For our children, grandchildren and generations to come. We cannot give up. There is nowhere else to start over. There is nowhere else to sail to.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:20:58am |
re: #347 Kragar
Cindy Jacobs: I Have the Power to Revive Dead Children
And people actually fall for this horseshit?
People have the right to fall for this kind of horseshit, just as long as it is not government sponsored...
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Political Atheist Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:24:16am |
Oh that Politifact MSM outlet...
Romney-
"Under Obama’s plan (for welfare), you wouldn’t have to work and wouldn’t have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check."
Gets the pants on Fire rating.
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Sionainn Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:25:56am |
re: #351 Kragar
I'm in the middle of reading a book about Anne Hutchinson and have learned a ton about Puritans in the process. These guys belong back in the 1600s.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:25:57am |
re: #349 Lidane
To the tune of millions of dollars. Just look at the money that Benny Hinn and the other televangelist hucksters bring in.
This reminds me of the scene in "Lamb", where the young Jesus is shoving through a crowd, muttering "Healed HIM, healed HER, cast a demon out of HER, whoops, really bad arthritis there, GOT IT." And banging into people lieu of laying on hands.
I am fascinated with Benny Hinn's schtick. The first time my husband showed me a video, I said something to the effect of "What is he doing with his hands, channeling chi?"
My husband, who is not from Northern California, said "making money".
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:26:00am |
re: #347 Kragar
Cindy Jacobs: I Have the Power to Revive Dead Children
And people actually fall for this horseshit?
Weak minded people will fall for just about anything. Some of these so-called leaders are more dangerous than others (Heaven's Gate, Jim Jones, etc.), some are strange, and some are racist, anti-semites, or bigots.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:26:24am |
re: #352 Expand Your Ground
People have the right to fall for this kind of horseshit, just as long as it is not government sponsored...
I understand they have that right, but why don't they understand I have the right to call them fucking morons for doing it?
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:26:31am |
re: #353 Daniel Ballard
Oh that Politifact MSM outlet...
Romney-
"Under Obama’s plan (for welfare), you wouldn’t have to work and wouldn’t have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check."Gets the pants on Fire rating.
He doesn't even begin to address the people on welfare who are already working but don't make enough to live on.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:27:40am |
MSNBC Eviscerates Obama Super PAC Ad (video)
Even the talking heads on MSNBC believe the new Obama super PAC ad is bad:
"This is about as low as either side has gone," said Mark Halperin, "and I think the people who made it are probably privately remorseless ... it's a despicable ad."Huffington Post writer Sam Stein added, "This is like so beyond what we need to discuss. ... This just I think takes it too far."
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Patricia Kayden Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:27:43am |
Kidnap children from happy, stable same sex homes to place them in what exactly? Is Mr. Fischer assuming that every opposite sex home is happy and stable and free from abuse?
He needs to watch the news. Dan Savage routinely posts about heterosexual parents who horribly abuse their children. Not sure why Fischer thinks that homosexuals are such evil people versus heterosexuals.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:28:20am |
re: #351 Kragar
They sound an awful lot like the Westboro freaks. No surprise, since they're basically indistinguishable from the other.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:28:33am |
Egyptian Cleric Sallah Sultan: People Worldwide "Thirst for the Blood of the Jews"
Following are excerpts from two Friday sermons delivered by Egyptian cleric Sallah Sultan, the founder of the Ohio-based American Center for Islamic Research. The sermons aired on Al-Aqsa TV on July 27 and August 3, 2012.
Sallah Sultan: I travel all over the world, and I met supporters of Al-Aqsa, of the prisoners, of Jerusalem, and of Palestine – people who thirst for the blood of the Jews, and who are eager for the promised war against the sons of Zion, until Palestine is liberated in its entirety. .
[...].
Under the previous [Egyptian] regime over 30,000 Zionists entered Egypt every month, defiling its land. The Egyptian police were forced to protect them, while they were getting drunk and picking fights. .
There was a great scandal, when [alleged Israeli spy] Misrati and some Jews entered Egypt, in order to commit all kinds of crimes here: counterfeit dollars, taking photographs of military bases, girls with AIDS seducing young Egyptians in order to infect them, and the vilest act of all – for the price of one Egyptian pound Misrati and his gang would seduce young Egyptian boys from Cairo, Alexandria and Upper Egypt. They took young children who did not know any better and sodomized them. .
[...]
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Kragar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:28:45am |
re: #358 Learned Mother of Zion
He doesn't even begin to address the people on welfare who are already working but don't make enough to live on.
Don't be silly. If you're working, all your needs are automatically met and if you're on welfare, you're a lazy bastard leaching off your betters.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:29:01am |
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:30:47am |
re: #363 Kragar
Don't be silly. If you're working, all your needs are automatically met and if you're on welfare, you're a lazy bastard leaching off your betters.
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Unless you're working at Walmart. And then "Well, you know what the conditions were when you accepted the job! If you don't like it, go somewhere else!"
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Kragar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:31:32am |
Jon Stewart: Wow, Romney’s Biz Practices Are ‘Too Shady’ For Italy
Jon Stewart on Tuesday focused on Mitt Romney’s controversial business dealings in Italy, after a Bloomberg report found that Bain Capital took over a company there and skirted taxes by funneling profits through Luxembourg. The Bloomberg report suggests Romney may have skipped over Italy on his foreign trip to avoid an awkward confrontation.
“Wow, Mitt Romney’s business practices are too shady for Italy,” Stewart said, stunned. “Mitt Romney has to say to Italy, ‘I’m a legitimate businessman.’ Italy, a country where the prime minister, the head of the country’s largest media conglomerate and the host of their finest ‘bunga bunga’ parties is the same fucking guy.”
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Lidane Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:31:42am |
re: #362 NJDhockeyfan
Oddly enough, I know plenty of Egyptians. They're more concerned with enjoying life and having a few drinks and good food than they are the blood of the Jews.
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Gus Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:33:15am |
re: #368 Lidane
Oddly enough, I know plenty of Egyptians. They're more concerned with enjoying life and having a few drinks and good food than they are the blood of the Jews.
Memri likes to stir the pot.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:34:10am |
re: #368 Lidane
Oddly enough, I know plenty of Egyptians. They're more concerned with enjoying life and having a few drinks and good food than they are the blood of the Jews.
I would hope so. The people running the country now are the ones you need to worry about.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:35:32am |
re: #369 Gus
Memri likes to stir the pot.
I think Sallah Sultan's speech stirs the pot much more than MEMRI.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:36:27am |
re: #361 Lidane
They sound an awful lot like the Westboro freaks. No surprise, since they're basically indistinguishable from the other.
Quite different, actually. The AFA sell the standard modern American line, which is essentially Baptist, and offers salvation to pretty much anyone who accepts Jesus and lives the AFA's version of a good American lifestyle, which is, conveniently, pretty much the way a lot of Americans will live given half a chance. Sure, they're paranoid and politically horrific, but theologically recognizable as related to, say, the faith my friend Tammy practices.
The Westies are some kind of weird Calvinists on drugs. Salvation is available to practically no one, and their 'politics' extend well beyond the standard hopped up religious right rhetoric. There is no one righteous, except possible Fred Phelps, and I think on a good day, even he would admit he might be damned too.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:37:58am |
re: #369 Gus
Memri likes to stir the pot.
Yes, if we pretended these guys weren't there, they would go away.
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Gus Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:39:13am |
re: #371 NJDhockeyfan
I think Sallah Sultan's speech stirs the pot much more than MEMRI.
No shit. He's from Ohio.
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Gus Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:39:23am |
re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, if we pretended these guys weren't there, they would go away.
Yeah. That's what I meant.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:40:45am |
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Flavia Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:42:43am |
re: #31 Targetpractice
And that really is the fantasy they live under, that they're "saving" these kids from a horrible environment and giving them a "family" that will love and care for them as only a "traditional" one can. That the kids will initially hate them and lash out, but with "proper care," will eventually come to accept how wrong and evil their life was before they were "saved" and will thank God that he saw fit to send such people to him.
And they wonder why more Jews are not on board with their wished-for-fascism.
Can anyone hazard a guess as to why? Bueller? anyone?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:45:20am |
re: #378 Flavia
And they wonder why more Jews are not on board with their wished-for-fascism.
Can anyone hazard a guess as to why? Bueller? anyone?
Ooooh! Ooooh! Me! Pick me!!
Could it...have something to do with a long history of people trying to take our kids and raise them in more religiously-appropriate households? Do I get a blue sticker?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:46:06am |
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Gus Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:46:58am |
re: #380 SanFranciscoZionist
Ummm...thank you. They're lovely. Just what I always wanted.
Sorry. Forgot to check with your first.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:48:07am |
re: #381 Gus
Sorry. Forgot to check with your first.
No, no, they're gorgeous. (Are the price tags still attached?)
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Flavia Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:48:33am |
re: #161 austin_blue
They aren't crying "Fire" in a movie theater. They pose no threat other than being really big assholes. Anything else you would like to ban?
And yes, I am playing Devil's Advocate here. Just trying to figure out what the limits are. At what point does disgustingly distasteful become restricted?
Seems to me this falls under harassment. Also, none of those being picketed are public figures - we all have a right to privacy, no? (Yes, I, too, am playing Devil's Advocate)
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b_sharp Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:56:02am |
re: #347 Kragar
Cindy Jacobs: I Have the Power to Revive Dead Children
And people actually fall for this horseshit?
They really, really want to.
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b_sharp Wed, Aug 8, 2012 10:59:20am |
re: #351 Kragar
Absolutely, the US along with its twin sisters Canada, Australia and its mom the UK are all on the road to destruction.
It's time for the AFA to abandon all 4 countries and find an island somewhere to start all over. They can preach to each other.
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