Stephen Colbert on Romney’s Historic VP Decision
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1 | engineer cat Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:22:48pm |
Romney’s Historic VP
Never Have So Few Made Such An Historic Decision ForZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz
2 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:23:50pm |
The Princess has found an MP3 for her player (we have portable speakers) that sound like someone going pee. For about five minutes.
She's been carrying it around and seeing if she could get people to notice.
Have I mentioned that her second favorite holiday is April 1st?
3 | abolitionist Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:24:36pm |
Wikipedia isn't going to appreciate this advocacy to politicize their site, even in jest.
4 | Kragar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:24:51pm |
I honestly can't think of a single person who would be convinced to vote for Romney based on any of his current VP potentials, but I can imagine him losing votes because of them.
5 | erik_t Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:25:45pm |
re: #4 Kragar
I honestly can't think of a single person who would be convinced to vote for Romney based on any of his current VP potentials, but I can imagine him losing votes because of them.
I don't think this is unusual. Silver only found something like a 2% boost in a Veep candidate's home state, never mind elsewhere.
6 | dragonath Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:26:53pm |
7 | Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:29:35pm |
I think it will come down to either Portman or Ryan and the base may force him to pick Ryan. By choosing either one he reinforces his image as either someone who wants to return to the Bush era (Portman) or someone who really doesn't care about the middle class and the poor (Ryan). He's screwed either way.
8 | SteveMcG Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:30:12pm |
I can't imagine why anyone would WANT to be the running mate.
9 | wrenchwench Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:31:46pm |
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10 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:32:10pm |
re: #7 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
I think it will come down to either Portman or Ryan and the base may force him to pick Ryan. By choosing either one he reinforces his image as either someone who wants to return to the Bush era (Portman) or someone who really doesn't care about the middle class and the poor (Ryan). He's screwed either way.
He's more screwed to independents by picking Ryan, who is the poster-child for cruel conservatism, but he'd lose more of the base by not picking Ryan or an equivalent heartless jerk.
11 | Kragar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:35:29pm |
re: #8 SteveMcG
I can't imagine why anyone would WANT to be the running mate.
Why do you think so many of the early potentials said "Not interested"?
12 | Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:35:36pm |
13 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:36:26pm |
re: #12 Charles Johnson
Colbert is impish. He's really a troublemaker. I think people like him are useful in exposing weaknesses in the system. He's like a one-man Somethingawful.
14 | Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:36:26pm |
re: #10 Obdicut
No matter who he picks I am sure that the Obama oppo research team has enough material ready to go in order to quickly flatten any bump Romney might get after making the choice.
15 | Tigger2 Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:37:15pm |
re: #12 Charles Johnson
Wikipedia Locks Pages of Possible VP Contenders After Stephen Colbert Wreaks Havoc
LOL
16 | HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:41:06pm |
re: #10 Obdicut
He's more screwed to independents by picking Ryan, who is the poster-child for cruel conservatism, but he'd lose more of the base by not picking Ryan or an equivalent heartless jerk.
I think that's the predicament he's in. It reminds me of McCain's situation really. Anyhow, I was hearing that it's down to Portman, Pawlenty, and Ryan. I think it will be one of the first two.
17 | erik_t Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:42:15pm |
re: #16 HappyWarrior
I think that's the predicament he's in. It reminds me of McCain's situation really. Anyhow, I was hearing that it's down to Portman, Pawlenty, and Ryan. I think it will be one of the first two.
Pawlenty would be a baffling choice. He never had any traction nationally, he has exactly as much charisma as Mittbot, and he's underwater even in his home state.
Of course, Romney's campaign has regularly been baffling.
18 | Kragar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:42:49pm |
Missouri’s Deceptive Amendment 2 Passes: Will Lawsuits Follow?
Yesterday, Missouri voters overwhelmingly approved Amendment 2, which passed with 82 percent in favor and 17 percent against. The vote margin is not surprising given the misleading language that accompanied the measure on the ballot.
Many who voted for the amendment probably thought they were merely protecting the right of citizens to express their religious beliefs, guarantee the right of school children to pray and require public schools to display the Bill of Rights.
In reality, Amendment 2 is not so benign. It opens the door for coercive prayer and proselytizing in public schools, allows students to skip homework if it offends their religious beliefs and infringes on the religious liberty rights of prisoners.
The biggest problem with Amendment 2, however, is that it’s so open-ended nobody really knows exactly what it will do.
For example, one provision mandates that the state “shall ensure that any person shall have the right to pray individually or corporately in a private or public setting so long as such prayer does not result in disturbance of the peace or disruption of a public meeting or assembly.”
Does it mean that all governmental meetings will feature group invocations or benedictions? What if one person’s “right to pray” intrudes on another person’s right to abstain from praying or to pray according to the tenets of her own faith? And what constitutes a disturbance or disruption?
No one knows the answers to any of those questions. That’s where the lawyers come in.
19 | HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:44:33pm |
re: #17 erik_t
Pawlenty would be a baffling choice. He never had any traction nationally, he has exactly as much charisma as Mittbot, and he's underwater even in his home state.
Of course, Romney's campaign has regularly been baffling.
Yeah but he gets along with Mitt and I think Romney is someone who doesn't want his VP to overshadow him which is why I don't expect it to be Rubio or Jindal.
20 | Kragar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:44:35pm |
re: #17 erik_t
Pawlenty would be a baffling choice. He never had any traction nationally, he has exactly as much charisma as Mittbot, and he's underwater even in his home state.
Of course, Romney's campaign has regularly been baffling.
Romney's campaign is more offkey than a choir of cats in mating season and misses the mark more than a blind dart player on free beer night.
21 | Mattand Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:46:57pm |
re: #19 HappyWarrior
Yeah but he gets along with Mitt and I think Romney is someone who doesn't want his VP to overshadow him which is why I don't expect it to be Rubio or Jindal.
That definitely leaves Chris Christie out. I'm still amazed about how conservatives outside of NJ think he's the second coming of Reagan.
22 | engineer cat Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:47:50pm |
as we see on msnbc, the picks are supposed to be down to portman, ryan, and pawlenty
i think ryan would be a disaster, and pawlenty not as faceless as portman simply because he is so outstandingly bland it hurts
so i'm betting on romney/portman
it's a kind of suburban/suburban flavored ticket
23 | erik_t Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:48:13pm |
re: #19 HappyWarrior
Yeah but he gets along with Mitt and I think Romney is someone who doesn't want his VP to overshadow him which is why I don't expect it to be Rubio or Jindal.
I agree with all of that, but at least Portman is well-liked in a must-win state. Romney's chances of needing and carrying Minnesota are microscopic.
24 | HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:49:36pm |
re: #21 Mattand
That definitely leaves Chris Christie out. I'm still amazed about how conservatives outside of NJ think he's the second coming of Reagan.
I'm thinking Christie or my own state's Bob McDonnell will be considered by Mitt for AG. More likely McDonnell since Christie doesn't have the stupid one term limit law to deal with.
25 | HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:51:57pm |
re: #22 engineer cat
as we see on msnbc, the picks are supposed to be down to portman, ryan, and pawlenty
i think ryan would be a disaster, and pawlenty not as faceless as portman simply because he is so outstandingly bland it hurts
so i'm betting on romney/portman
it's a kind of suburban/suburban flavored ticket
Yeah I think Portman is more likely than Pawlenty for the reasons underlined. However, Pawlenty has a blue collar background and Romney needs someone I think more folksy. If the two didn't dislike each other, Huckabee would be ideal. Another reason thing Portman has going against him is that he's not a firebreathing so-con. Rubio of course is a possibility but it would be a big gamble too since you know they want to avoid a Palin 2,0 and hell Rubio himself may be shrewd enough to realize that Romney's chances of winning aren't that good and may want to run in 2016 instead.
26 | Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:52:50pm |
re: #21 Mattand
he's popular because he's a fat, loud mouth gas bag who has no filter and acts like an ass all the time. You know, like their idol Limbaugh.
27 | William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:55:42pm |
re: #20 Kragar
Romney's campaign is more offkey than a choir of cats in mating season and misses the mark more than a blind dart player on free beer night.
The Romney campaign is nuttier than squirrel poop.
28 | Mattand Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:56:03pm |
re: #24 HappyWarrior
I'm thinking Christie or my own state's Bob McDonnell will be considered by Mitt for AG. More likely McDonnell since Christie doesn't have the stupid one term limit law to deal with.
Guarantee it won't be Christie. Like him or hate him, he's a smart political operative. Christie runs with Mitt and loses, he can kiss any future POTUS bid goodbye. He can see Mitt's campaign for the poison pill it is.
Along that lines, he's been making enough decisions here to establish conservative bona fides for a 2016 run; i.e., curtailing collective bargaining, waffling on teaching evolution, etc.
29 | HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:56:04pm |
re: #26 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
he's popular because he's a fat, loud mouth gas bag who has no filter and acts like an ass all the time. You know, like their idol Limbaugh.
I think they see him as something close to what many Democratic activists saw in Howard Dean. Someone whose rhetoric is more popular than policy positions. I think Christie would struggle if he ever ran in a Republican primary for president though for similar reasons to Rudy Giuliani though Christie unlike Rudy is and has not ever been pro choice or gay rights either. And as weird as it sounds, I think he's too "urban" for the increasingly rural and suburban GOP.
30 | dragonfire1981 Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:56:09pm |
On the plus side, Portman may actually make Mitt appear somewhat charismatic.
31 | erik_t Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:57:25pm |
re: #30 dragonfire1981
He's that bad? Is such a thing even possible?
32 | Mattand Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:57:59pm |
re: #26 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
he's popular because he's a fat, loud mouth gas bag who has no filter and acts like an ass all the time. You know, like their idol Limbaugh.
Tell me something I don't know :)
33 | dragonath Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:58:57pm |
re: #18 Kragar
Deceptive language or not, Missouri has been going to the hard right for at least a decade now. This is the state that barely passed a referendum against animal abuse and then had the legislature strike it down in a blatant favor to puppy mill operators.
34 | HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:00:17pm |
re: #33 Fred Galt
Deceptive language or not, Missouri has been going to t
he hard right for at least a decade now. This is the state that barely passed a referendum against animal abuse and then had the legislature strike it down in a blatant favor to puppy mill operators.
Missouri seems to be losing its status as bellweather. I think Obama was the first presidential winning candidate to win the presidency while losing Missouri since Eisenhower in '56. After that it goes even further back.
35 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:00:33pm |
It will be someone no one has heard of like they did last time with Sarah Palin. We be subject to another new irritating political celebrity.
36 | HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:01:06pm |
re: #28 Mattand
Guarantee it won't be Christie. Like him or hate him, he's a smart political operative. Christie runs with Mitt and loses, he can kiss any future POTUS bid goodbye. He can see Mitt's campaign for the poison pill it is.
Along that lines, he's been making enough decisions here to establish conservative bona fides for a 2016 run; i.e., curtailing collective bargaining, waffling on teaching evolution, etc.
Oh yeah, I know Christie won't be VP. I just wouldn't be shocked if he were considered for AG or heaven forbid the USSC since the last thing we need is another judge with a pompous attitude. I think Christie would turn more people off than on if he ran nationally. Guy just has a huge ego and is a jerk.
37 | labman57 Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:01:37pm |
I don't know what Mitt's problem is. If he chooses a running mate who doesn't give him a bump in the national polls, then he can simply hit his reset button and pick someone else.
38 | Mattand Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:01:59pm |
re: #29 HappyWarrior
I think they see him as something close to what many Democratic activists saw in Howard Dean. Someone whose rhetoric is more popular than policy positions. I think Christie would struggle if he ever ran in a Republican primary for president though for similar reasons to Rudy Giuliani though Christie unlike Rudy is and has not ever been pro choice or gay rights either. And as weird as it sounds, I think he's too "urban" for the increasingly rural and suburban GOP.
Your assessment makes sense, but like I said in #28, he's making decisions that should resonate with Bible Beltistan. Plus, if Romney loses, the GOP will need some sort of aggressive personality to rally around.
Whatever their misgiving will be, conservatives will do one of the things they do best: close ranks and march in step. And Christie provides that kind of bluster in spades.
39 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:02:26pm |
I still don't get why the dog on the roof of the car hasn't caused more outrage. Even 2nd Amendment advocates would be upset, I would think. The ones I know cherish their dogs, but they seem to have a blind spot for it.
Really, if people are concerned about "death panels" and "reeducation" you'd think the guy who has no compassion for a dog would be more likely to do such things.
40 | HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:02:31pm |
re: #37 labman57
I don't know what Mitt's problem is. If he chooses a running mate who doesn't give him a bump in the national polls, then he can simply hit his reset button and pick someone else.
Retroactive vetting!
41 | Mattand Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:02:45pm |
re: #36 HappyWarrior
Oh yeah, I know Christie won't be VP. I just wouldn't be shocked if he were considered for AG or heaven forbid the USSC since the last thing we need is another judge with a pompous attitude. I think Christie would turn more people off than on if he ran nationally. Guy just has a huge ego and is a jerk.
I think I'm 3 minutes behind you. Freaking time warp.
42 | engineer cat Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:03:33pm |
romney/christie
i wouldn't use that term/fuck you 2012
43 | Mattand Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:05:09pm |
re: #39 ggt
I still don't get why the dog on the roof of the car hasn't caused more outrage. Even 2nd Amendment advocates would be upset, I would think. The ones I know cherish their dogs, but they seem to have a blind spot for it.
Really, if people are concerned about "death panels" and "reeducation" you'd think the guy who has no compassion for a dog would be more likely to do such things.
As inhumane as the dog incident is, at best it's tangential to the campaign in general. It does say something about Mitt's personality, but things like his hiding his tax returns and refusing to talk about how he'd actually govern are more important.
44 | HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:06:47pm |
re: #39 ggt
I still don't get why the dog on the roof of the car hasn't caused more outrage. Even 2nd Amendment advocates would be upset, I would think. The ones I know cherish their dogs, but they seem to have a blind spot for it.
Really, if people are concerned about "death panels" and "reeducation" you'd think the guy who has no compassion for a dog would be more likely to do such things.
All I know is this, if Obama did something like what Romney did to his, you'd be hearing from the usual suspects about how it's proof that he's a sociopath. I think the incident speaks volumes about Romney's personality but I think the bullying incident though is a greater indictment of his lack of character though.
45 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:07:01pm |
re: #43 Mattand
As inhumane as the dog incident is, at best it's tangential to the campaign in general. It does say something about Mitt's personality, but things like his hiding his tax returns and refusing to talk about how he'd actually govern are more important.
I don't know. People are concerned about human rights now in a big way. I think a good indication of how a person feels about the intrinsic value of a life show by how they treat their animals.
If a person will mistreat an animal, they will mistreat a child or a woman. oh, wait, that only matters if the said child or woman are fetuses . . . .
46 | jaunte Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:13:04pm |
More insane knee-jerk opposition from the far right:
RENAME ALL THE POST OFFICES MT @thinkprogress Meet the Congressman who wants to repeal every bill Obama has ever signed thkpr.gs/Qg05qQ
— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) August 8, 2012
Rep. Steve King: "thinking about introducing a bill, which if it became law, would repeal everything Obama has signed into law."
47 | engineer cat Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:13:11pm |
re: #35 ggt
It will be someone no one has heard of like they did last time with Sarah Palin. We be subject to another new irritating political celebrity.
i would have to guess this is the most likely
i find that veep guessing is generally wildly off
something like the wedding gift thing: something old, something new, something wingnut, something bland
48 | Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:14:57pm |
49 | MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:18:47pm |
re: #16 HappyWarrior
I think that's the predicament he's in. It reminds me of McCain's situation really. Anyhow, I was hearing that it's down to Portman, Pawlenty, and Ryan. I think it will be one of the first two.
All hail T-Paw!!!11ty
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50 | dragonath Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:26:27pm |
re: #48 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
That's about as bad as this:
Papa John's Pizza To Raise Prices Because Of Obamacare, CEO John Schnatter Says
51 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:28:13pm |
re: #12 Charles Johnson
Wikipedia Locks Pages of Possible VP Contenders After Stephen Colbert Wreaks Havoc
Saw that coming a mile away and was just going to post about it. I figured they would have no choice but to lock quite a few pages rather than see them wantonly vandalized by Colbert fans and others who heard of this at second hand like this post. It's a shame too, Wikipedia is a valuable and informative resource that constantly strives to update and correct itself and exclude any partisan language from it's pages.
While I love Colbert's satirical wit and dry deadpan delivery of what is usually purely facetious "leg pulling" on his part, this call for people to vandalize Wikipedia was uncalled for and rather shortsighted as to the consequences. Tens of thousands of "Man Years" of almost solely volunteer labor have gone in to making Wikipedia what it is. A T.V. host blithely calling out for it to be massively vandalized for no true purpose besides a few laughs does not strike me as particularly funny.
Old man "Harrumph" for emphasis...
52 | Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:32:15pm |
re: #50 Fred Galt
I already pay a bit more for pizza because I like my local pizza places that tend to make a better pie than any of the chains, but even if I did buy papa john's 14 cents is hardly a bump price wise.
53 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:34:00pm |
Looking at my bank account statement--some day I will tell my kids about the days when banks actually paid interest on account balances.
54 | BongCrodny Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:35:38pm |
The Vice-Presidential selection must be:
Somone who won't outshine the presumed Republican nominee, i.e., someone duller than Mitt Romney.
Whew. Stumper, eh?
55 | engineer cat Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:35:52pm |
re: #50 Fred Galt
Papa John's Pizza To Raise Prices Because Of Obamacare, CEO John Schnatter Says
After President Obama's health care law takes full effect, the slogan for national pizza chain Papa John's may need an update. Instead of, “Better ingredients. Better Pizza,” may we suggest, “Better health care. Pricier pizza."
Papa John's CEO John Schnatter says that Obamacare will result in a $0.11 to $0.14 price increase per pizza, or $0.15 to $0.20 cents per order, Pizza Marketplace, a trade publication, reports. (Hat tip: @dkberman via Twitter.)
Under Obamacare, the company, which is the third-largest pizza takeout and delivery chain in the United States, will have to offer health care coverage to more of its 16,500 total employees or pay a penalty to the government.
can there be any clearer explanation of how low prices are often only possible because of workers forced to accept sub par benefits?
if i were mr schnatter, i wouldn't be so quick to highlight publicly how papa john's exploits its workers
56 | engineer cat Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:39:18pm |
i've worked in plenty of restaurant kitchens, usually non-chain restaurants that couldn't acheive the economies of scale available to large chains
even though this was mostly 30 years ago or so, i remember that i got health coverage at these businesses
57 | BongCrodny Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:43:51pm |
re: #50 Fred Galt
That's about as bad as this:
Papa John's Pizza To Raise Prices Because Of Obamacare, CEO John Schnatter Says
According to Wiki, John Schnatter's net worth is $240 million, according to Wiki.
My net worth is, uh, somewhere around $240 million less than Mr. Schnatter.
But I'll tell ya what -- John, next time I get a pizza from Papa's, I'll add a QUARTER onto the tab -- you go right ahead and put that right toward your next $240 million, okay?
58 | kirkspencer Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:45:13pm |
re: #55 engineer cat
After President Obama's health care law takes full effect, the slogan for national pizza chain Papa John's may need an update. Instead of, “Better ingredients. Better Pizza,” may we suggest, “Better health care. Pricier pizza."
Papa John's CEO John Schnatter says that Obamacare will result in a $0.11 to $0.14 price increase per pizza, or $0.15 to $0.20 cents per order, Pizza Marketplace, a trade publication, reports. (Hat tip: @dkberman via Twitter.)
Under Obamacare, the company, which is the third-largest pizza takeout and delivery chain in the United States, will have to offer health care coverage to more of its 16,500 total employees or pay a penalty to the government.
can there be any clearer explanation of how low prices are often only possible because of workers forced to accept sub par benefits?
if i were mr schnatter, i wouldn't be so quick to highlight publicly how papa john's exploits its workers
Oh, it's worse. Papa John's is facing a class action lawsuit over underpayment of delivery drivers.
(note: the drivers were paid a bit over minimum wage but were responsible for all vehicle expenses. It's not quite as open and shut as some might wish. It's still an existing suit over underpayment of workers.)
59 | SteveMcG Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:45:35pm |
re: #57 BongCrodny
I'm happy for the man's success. It's something most of us dream of. But what can you do with 240 million bucks? You can't live long enough to spend it.
60 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:45:41pm |
re: #50 Fred Galt
That's about as bad as this:
Papa John's Pizza To Raise Prices Because Of Obamacare, CEO John Schnatter Says
Asshole. Such an asshole. They worry about China? They are making the workers of America live on the same scale as China's workers.
61 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:46:17pm |
re: #59 SteveMcG
I'm happy for the man's success. It's something most of us dream of. But what can you do with 240 million bucks? You can't live long enough to spend it.
I think I could manage to do it in less than a lifetime.
:)
62 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:46:33pm |
re: #58 kirkspencer
Oh, it's worse. Papa John's is facing a class action lawsuit over underpayment of delivery drivers.
(note: the drivers were paid a bit over minimum wage but were responsible for all vehicle expenses. It's not quite as open and shut as some might wish. It's still an existing suit over underpayment of workers.)
In this case, we should have been paying more for our pizzas, if the cost didn't cover the drivers expenses.
Wait--aren't they supposed to get tipped, too?
63 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:48:39pm |
Pizza delivery guy is one of the last jobs one can get without having to undergo a drug test (some stores --probably not big corporate types)
64 | Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:48:40pm |
re: #57 BongCrodny
Yes because heaven forbid he take a bit of a pay cut to provide his employees insurance.
65 | MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:49:56pm |
re: #62 Mostly sane, most of the time.
In this case, we should have been paying more for our pizzas, if the cost didn't cover the drivers expenses.
Wait--aren't they supposed to get tipped, too?
That's why Pizza Hut and Domino's started adding a delivery charge to their orders a few years ago, to cover gas and insurance stipends, IIRC.
Those charges are not tips and they say so upfront in their ads and such; tips are always separate.
66 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:50:07pm |
re: #64 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Yes because heaven forbid he take a bit of a pay cut to provide his employees insurance.
Pay your people like they are Partners serfs is the key to success!
67 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:50:45pm |
Last time I ordered pizza delivered (Domino's - try it again folks, the thin crispy crust is really good) The delivery drivers were not young. They were my age, 2nd job.
It's probably one of the most taken-advantaged-of jobs. And therefore, the most desperate for $ people will take it.
Makes me sad.
68 | JamesWI Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:51:42pm |
re: #57 BongCrodny
According to Wiki, John Schnatter's net worth is $240 million, according to Wiki.
My net worth is, uh, somewhere around $240 million less than Mr. Schnatter.
But I'll tell ya what -- John, next time I get a pizza from Papa's, I'll add a QUARTER onto the tab -- you go right ahead and put that right toward your next $240 million, okay?
I've always hated Papa John's pizzas. Now I'll have another reason not to order.
69 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:51:59pm |
re: #67 Stanley Sea
Last time I ordered pizza delivered (Domino's - try it again folks, the thin crispy crust is really good) The delivery drivers were not young. They were my age, 2nd job.
It's probably one of the most taken-advantaged-of jobs. And therefore, the most desperate for $ people will take it.
Makes me sad.
In a way. It makes me somehow proud that people are willing to do what they need to.
70 | BongCrodny Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:52:12pm |
re: #59 SteveMcG
I'm happy for the man's success. It's something most of us dream of. But what can you do with 240 million bucks? You can't live long enough to spend it.
I don't begrudge him his money. Crying "woe is us" about prices when your business was successful enough to put 240 million big ones in your back pocket seems a wee bit ungrateful.
71 | Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:52:34pm |
re: #67 Stanley Sea
I've seen delivery people in their 50's plus.
72 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:52:50pm |
re: #68 JamesWI
I've always hated Papa John's pizzas. Now I'll have another reason not to order.
Being from Chicago, I never order corporate pizza unless I am out of town and want to be sure I get something, at least, edible.
73 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:53:11pm |
re: #69 ggt
In a way. It makes me somehow proud that people are willing to do what they need to.
Oh hell yeah. I would tip way more than usual. Damn, lest it be me tomorrow.
74 | engineer cat Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:53:51pm |
Schnatter has thrown his weight behind Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney this election season, even hosting a campaign fundraiser at his Louisville-area mansion in May. "Don’t you love this country?" Romney, who attended, asked during the event. "What a home this is, what grounds these are, the pool, the golf course."
paid for by Workers With Sub Par Insurance Benefits local 12
75 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:54:04pm |
re: #70 BongCrodny
I don't begrudge him his money. Crying "woe is us" about prices when your business was successful enough to put 240 million big ones in your back pocket seems a wee bit ungrateful.
I agree, but now that the economy is down, I think it sucks that the 1% won't suffer a bit so the rest of us don't have to AS MUCH.
Fuckin' modern day royalty --in their minds anyway.
76 | BongCrodny Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:54:12pm |
re: #63 ggt
I've been a legal secretary for 20 years and I've never had to take a drug test.
Of course, that likely explains why I've been a legal secretary for 20 years.
77 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:54:57pm |
re: #73 Stanley Sea
Oh hell yeah. I would tip way more than usual. Damn, lest it be me tomorrow.
There, for but the grace of G-d, go I.
Seriously, so much of it is damn sheer luck.
78 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:01:14pm |
re: #55 engineer cat
OMGWTFBBQ! If I had known that giving healthcare benefits to Papa John's Pizza workers would cost me as much 20 cents more per pizza then I never would have supported Obama's Affordable Care Act in the first place!
The very thought that I have to pay an extra 20 cents for my $14.99 pizza that costs about $7 to actually produce is shocking and definitely a wake up call. All pizza lovers should march on the Whitehouse immediately and demand an end to government mandated healthcare!
///
79 | compound_Idaho Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:04:23pm |
re: #76 BongCrodny
I've been a legal secretary for 20 years and I've never had to take a drug test.
Of course, that likely explains why I've been a legal secretary for 20 years.
Many contracts I sign require that my business drug employees. The odd part is that there is no requirement to report results, just that I do the tests. What I do with the information is entirely up to me.
80 | Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:06:02pm |
re: #79 compound_Idaho
you have a requirement to drug your employees? What drugs do you give them and if they are fun....can I have a job?
81 | SteveMcG Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:06:41pm |
re: #79 compound_Idaho
Many contracts I sign require that my business drug employees. The odd part is that there is no requirement to report results, just that I do the tests. What I do with the information is entirely up to me.
If an employee that failed a test causes harm to one of your clients, I wouldn't relish your defense.
82 | sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:07:09pm |
re: #79 compound_Idaho
What I do with the information is entirely up to me.
Roll them up and smoke them?
83 | compound_Idaho Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:10:48pm |
re: #81 SteveMcG
If an employee that failed a test causes harm to one of your clients, I wouldn't relish your defense.
I'm sure you are right. It does kind of put the liability ball squarely in my court.
85 | allegro Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:14:19pm |
This is pretty cool. Estimate your taxes under Obama and Romney's plan:
[Link: www.barackobama.com...]
Re-electing Obama means we can afford that extra 20 cents per pizza AND a good tip for the delivery driver a whole bunch o' times.
86 | Origuy Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:14:59pm |
re: #72 ggt
If your travels take you to the West Coast, try Round Table or Mountain Mike's. I know that Round Table gives their managers health benefits, I don't know about lower level. It's employee owned.
Don't know about Mountain Mike's. As far as I know, the owners stay out of politics. At any rate, both have better pizza that the national chains.
87 | allegro Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:15:10pm |
re: #85 allegro
This is pretty cool. Estimate your taxes under Obama and Romney's plan:
[Link: www.barackobama.com...]
Re-electing Obama means we can afford that extra 20 cents per pizza AND a good tip for the delivery driver a whole bunch 'o times.
Actually it doesn't estimate the taxes but... go find out for yourself.
88 | SteveMcG Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:15:30pm |
re: #85 allegro
This is pretty cool. Estimate your taxes under Obama and Romney's plan:
[Link: www.barackobama.com...]
Re-electing Obama means we can afford that extra 20 cents per pizza AND a good tip for the delivery driver a whole bunch 'o times.
What side of the tracks do you come from? They'll give anybody a computer these days.
89 | allegro Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:17:26pm |
re: #88 SteveMcG
What side of the tracks do you come from? They'll give anybody a computer these days.
Oh wow, did my fake numbers come up? LOL
90 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:51:37pm |
Businesswoman Claims O'Reilly & Van Susteren Defamed Her
A businesswoman claims in court that Fox News stars Bill O'Reilly defamed her by calling her business "a con" and Greta Van Susteren by calling her "insane," and that O'Reilly's reporter compounded the insults by calling her a "little hippy dippy chick."
Aviva Nash and her business, Drum Café, sued O'Reilly, "O'Reilly Factor" reporter Juliet Huddy, Fox News and Greta Van Susteren, host of "On the Record," in Bronx County Supreme Court.
Nash describes herself in the complaint as a "hard working, legitimate small business owner, engaged in corporate training and team building."
She uses drums in her team-building and "corporate drumming" business, according to the Drum Café website.
She is not a "little hippy dippy chick," as Huddy called her on the air on July 24, Nash says.
Nash says that comment is "debasing, demeaning, humiliating, degrading, defaming and denigrating."
She claims O'Reilly defamed her on the same show, calling her business a "con."
O'Reilly claimed to be examining allegations of corruption in the General Services Administration in his July 24 show, Nash says.
She claims he showed a clip of her at a training session, and that O'Reilly and Huddy criticized what they called a $270,000 "21st century Kumbaya."
Nash claims Van Susteren defamed her on the July 19 broadcast of "On the Record," by accusing her of "stealing" and being "insane."
On Van Susteren's show, which also featured the Drum Café, U.S. Rep. Jeff Denham called the purchase of 40,000 sets of drumsticks a "blatant abuse," Nash says.
Van Susteren replied: "When you say 'blatant abuse,' I say stealing," according to a transcript attached to the complaint.
Nash seeks damages for defamation, negligence, and intentional infliction of emotional distress.
She is represented by Richard Ancowitz, of Albany.
As much as I'd hate to have to attend a team-building drum session, it's no more of a con than any other motivational dooschmuckery, or a team prayer, for that matter.
91 | moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:03:20pm |
I'm beginning to think that Romney actually was an absentee CEO at Bain because if he ran Bain the way he ran his campaign, he would've run the company into the ground.
92 | moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:05:41pm |
re: #50 Fred Galt
That's about as bad as this:
Papa John's Pizza To Raise Prices Because Of Obamacare, CEO John Schnatter Says
What's most amazing is that this guy doesn't understand that most people would be ok with paying an extra dime and nickel if it meant Papa John's low wage employees could get health care. He thinks everyone is as mean, stingy and selfish a prick as he is.
93 | austin_blue Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:05:49pm |
re: #90 Obdicut
Businesswoman Claims O'Reilly & Van Susteren Defamed Her
As much as I'd hate to have to attend a team-building drum session, it's no more of a con than any other motivational dooschmuckery, or a team prayer, for that matter.
40,000 sets?
Not necessarily a bad deal.
[Link: www.americanmusical.com...]
94 | darthstar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:07:24pm |
Anything interesting happen today? I went golfing with my folks and haven't been paying attention. Has Mitt Romney found a way to control the narrative yet?...wait...there's some cute gal in a green shirt arguing for Massachusetts health care...hm...on, and Rush is choking on a turd...okay...I guess that answers my question.
95 | b_sharp Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:10:15pm |
re: #94 darthstar
Anything interesting happen today? I went golfing with my folks and haven't been paying attention. Has Mitt Romney found a way to control the narrative yet?...wait...there's some cute gal in a green shirt arguing for Massachusetts health care...hm...on, and Rush is choking on a turd...okay...I guess that answers my question.
I just love me some cute chicks.
96 | moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:11:00pm |
re: #94 darthstar
Anything interesting happen today? I went golfing with my folks and haven't been paying attention. Has Mitt Romney found a way to control the narrative yet?...wait...there's some cute gal in a green shirt arguing for Massachusetts health care...hm...on, and Rush is choking on a turd...okay...I guess that answers my question.
That "cute girl" didn't just argue for RomneyCare she argued for the concept of universal health care as well as any Democrat or liberal could. It will be a great campaign for the Obots. The fact that she said it on FAUX News makes it even more delicious. Rmoney's "reset" isn't going so well.
97 | b_sharp Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:15:26pm |
re: #93 austin_blue
40,000 sets?
Not necessarily a bad deal.
[Link: www.americanmusical.com...]
40,000 sets? That's about how many my brother went through, until he was gifted a set of 3/4" thick sticks by the music store.
98 | darthstar Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:15:47pm |
re: #96 moderatelyradicalliberal
That "cute girl" didn't just argue for RomneyCare she argued for the concept of universal health care as well as any Democrat or liberal could. It will be a great campaign for the Obots. The fact that she said it on FAUX News makes it even more delicious. Rmoney's "reset" isn't going so well.
Well, at least she'll soon be able to spend more time with her family.
99 | Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:18:38pm |
re: #92 moderatelyradicalliberal
Geez. Let me volunteer to pay a whole dollar extra, maybe then they can get PPO instead of HMO.
//sorta
101 | jaunte Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:39:10pm |
re: #92 moderatelyradicalliberal
What's most amazing is that this guy doesn't understand that most people would be ok with paying an extra dime and nickel if it meant Papa John's low wage employees could get health care. He thinks everyone is as mean, stingy and selfish a prick as he is.
John Schnatter: $2,745,220 annual compensation.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
102 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:40:42pm |
@papajohns fundraiser Romney: "What a home this is, what grounds these are, the pool, the golf course." On the backs of his uninsured emplys
— Michelle (@MichelleVista) August 8, 2012
103 | palomino Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:44:57pm |
re: #102 Stanley Sea
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Just think how much cheaper their pizzas would be if Papa John's didn't have that tyrannical minimum wage to worry about.
104 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:47:08pm |
Papa John blew it. Really, what a shithead.
105 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:48:50pm |
Stuff a sock in it Bryan.
Obama wants homosexuals to have access to Boy Scouts. Should be firedby BSA as honorary president. fxn.ws/Neg8J8— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) August 9, 2012
106 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:49:21pm |
The real America “@sikh_coalition: Nearly 2000 people at the new York vigil, standing together as a united people. ow.ly/i/PQBY”
— Gagan Singh (@urbanturbanguy) August 9, 2012
107 | Lidane Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:49:37pm |
re: #91 moderatelyradicalliberal
I'm beginning to think that Romney actually was an absentee CEO at Bain because if he ran Bain the way he ran his campaign, he would've run the company into the ground.
I'm starting to think the rest of Bain wanted Romney as an absentee CEO because given his campaign instincts, he has no business savvy or skills to speak of except for having a lot of Daddy's money.
108 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:51:01pm |
The DERP never ends.
Over 100 million Americans now on welfare. Too many takers, not enough makers. Past the tipping point? shar.es/vAg3e— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) August 9, 2012
109 | Lidane Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:51:24pm |
re: #103 palomino
Just think how much cheaper their pizzas would be if Papa John's didn't have that tyrannical minimum wage to worry about.
Pfft. His pizza is shit anyway. The only redeeming quality that Papa John's pizza has is the garlic butter dipping sauce, and that can be made at home in just a couple of minutes.
110 | prairiefire Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:52:47pm |
111 | SteveMcG Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:54:12pm |
re: #108 Learned Mother of Zion
The DERP never ends.
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I wonder how much the "entitlement culture" actually subsidizes the low wages of workers. As I understand, productivity is at all time highs.
112 | austin_blue Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:57:08pm |
Well, the Beach Volleyball final is next up on NBC in the CST (LBJ IRT USA LSD).
I hear on good authority that America takes the Gold. Fuck Yah!
113 | SteveMcG Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:01:37pm |
re: #112 austin_blue
Well, the Beach Volleyball final is next up on NBC in the CST (LBJ IRT USA LSD).
I hear on good authority that America takes the Gold. Fuck Yah!
Frickin' spoiler. I was just thinking about the titillation over the bikinis, I mean uniforms. I think they look okay, but the swimmers and divers are the ones that should be wearing the bikinis.
114 | Gus Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:03:35pm |
re: #110 prairiefire
Plus, he makes a shitty pizza.
Murican cracker crust pizza with American cheese and corn oil. //
115 | MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:04:38pm |
re: #104 Stanley Sea
Papa John blew it. Really, what a shithead.
Papa John has become the anti-Dave Thomas (of Wendy's) in no time flat with all of this hysterical crap over "ObamaCare" and his support of Romney.
In addition to pitching for and running Wendy's, Thomas championed the adoption charity that bears his name for at least the last 20 years of his life; Papa John went from potentially harmless CEO/pitchman to coming off looking like a greedy, heartless schmuck.
Good job there, Papa Jerk...
116 | compound_Idaho Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:04:42pm |
re: #101 jaunte
John Schnatter: $2,745,220 annual compensation.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
$2,750,000 is a lot of money, but with 16,500 employees, that works out to $167/employee/yr, or $14 per month. Even if he gave it all up, that will not buy much health insurance.
117 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:05:04pm |
re: #111 SteveMcG
I wonder how much the "entitlement culture" actually subsidizes the low wages of workers. As I understand, productivity is at all time highs.
@bryanjfischer Should they go work at Wal Mart? Oh wait, they already are.— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) August 9, 2012
118 | austin_blue Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:05:32pm |
re: #113 SteveMcG
Frickin' spoiler. I was just thinking about the titillation over the bikinis, I mean uniforms. I think they look okay, but the swimmers and divers are the ones that should be wearing the bikinis.
Dude, both teams are from the US...
119 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:06:39pm |
re: #113 SteveMcG
Frickin' spoiler. I was just thinking about the titillation over the bikinis, I mean uniforms. I think they look okay, but the swimmers and divers are the ones that should be wearing the bikinis.
Bikinis are not hydrodynamic and therefore not favorable for water competition.
120 | SteveMcG Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:06:55pm |
re: #118 austin_blue
Dude, both teams are from the US...
I know. I even know which team won. After twenty commercial breaks, I'll tell you.
121 | SteveMcG Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:07:17pm |
re: #119 Learned Mother of Zion
Bikinis are not hydrodynamic and therefore not favorable for water competition.
And your point is...?
122 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:07:43pm |
OK question...
There is a very important paper about Climate that just came out.
It nails - absolutely mathematically nails - that climate change is accelerating and getting worse at a rate much faster than was initially thought even a few years ago.
However, to make the slam dunk case, it relies understanding probability distributions - particularly Gaussians.
I want to share this paper and write about it, but I think it will be lost on people without writing a page about the mathematics. With the math though, it is a terrifying slam dunk.
Is doing a page on some probability theory and the nature of the bell curve something that people here will read?
123 | SteveMcG Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:08:14pm |
re: #119 Learned Mother of Zion
Actually, that would be irrelevant if everybody had to wear the bikinis. THen maybe there might be an advantage to skimpiness.
124 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:08:47pm |
re: #121 SteveMcG
And your point is...?
My point is that swimmers and divers should not wear bikinis, and they totally don't.
125 | engineer cat Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:08:52pm |
Bryan Fischer @BryanJFischerOver 100 million Americans now on welfare. Too many takers, not enough makers. Past the tipping point?
Bryan Jonathan Fischer is the Director of Issues Analysis for the American Family Association (AFA). He hosts the talk radio program Focal Point on American Family Radio and posts on the AFA-run blog Rightly Concerned.
too many bloviators, not enough workers building america
126 | SteveMcG Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:08:56pm |
re: #122 LudwigVanQuixote
I dig math, but I've forgotten so much.
127 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:09:38pm |
re: #126 SteveMcG
I dig math, but I've forgotten so much.
So if I spend a lot of time doing my best to write a refresher/explanation will you read it?
128 | engineer cat Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:10:11pm |
re: #116 compound_Idaho
$2,750,000 is a lot of money, but with 16,500 employees, that works out to $167/employee/yr, or $14 per month. Even if he gave it all up, that will not buy much health insurance.
what are the company profits?
129 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:10:16pm |
re: #116 compound_Idaho
That doesn't count his non-salary compensation-- or his health insurance.
His non-salary compensation includes $7,564,480.00 in exerciseable stock options.
But you're right: the price of health insurance has exploded. We need to address it. The best way of doing that is the single-payer option, which will remove the parasitic profit layer from the health insurance companies, and the practices that distort costs. I also think we should change from fee-for-service model of physician payment to a more total care or medical home framework, since what we have in the US is a dearth of primary care and an overabundance of specialists-- and among the specialists, the compensation has little to do with the difficulty or importance of the work.
131 | Obdicut Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:13:16pm |
re: #122 LudwigVanQuixote
The sad part is that what is going to convince people is shit like this:
Massive Fish Kill-Off in Midwest as Heat Raises Water Temps
But math education is always good. Be as brief as possible.
132 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:15:36pm |
133 | SteveMcG Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:16:40pm |
I always liked math. One of these days I have to see what the deal is with pi.
134 | goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:17:00pm |
135 | SteveMcG Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:17:21pm |
136 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:19:00pm |
re: #133 SteveMcG
I always liked math. One of these days I have to see what the deal is with pi.
Well here is something for you:
e^(i*pi)= -1
137 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:20:18pm |
re: #134 goddamnedfrank
I wish LGF had an equation editor, that's what makes anything more ambitious than a basic tutorial here a bitch.
wait, can we import LaTeX?
if not, I shall have to forestall my plans.
138 | SteveMcG Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:20:51pm |
I once had to figure out a way to die cut a two dimensional rubber blank to wrap around a ball for molding. I did it in excel, and then I had to plug in x's and plot the resulting y's and convert them to come out on the page. It was a monster of a formula, but it worked on the first try. I was so proud of myself.
139 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:21:44pm |
re: #136 LudwigVanQuixote
Well here is something for you:
e^(i*pi)= -1
That's my favorite equation, but I also like ʃex
140 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:22:25pm |
OK Charles,
Is it possible to use LaTeX (or something like it) on these pages? What would it take to make say an integral show up?
141 | austin_blue Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:22:38pm |
re: #122 LudwigVanQuixote
OK question...
There is a very important paper about Climate that just came out.
It nails - absolutely mathematically nails - that climate change is accelerating and getting worse at a rate much faster than was initially thought even a few years ago.
However, to make the slam dunk case, it relies understanding probability distributions - particularly Gaussians.
I want to share this paper and write about it, but I think it will be lost on people without writing a page about the mathematics. With the math though, it is a terrifying slam dunk.
Is doing a page on some probability theory and the nature of the bell curve something that people here will read?
Actually, you might want to concentrate on a Poisson distribution curve for the northern hemisphere and highlight how skewed the numbers are.
142 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:22:59pm |
re: #139 Learned Mother of Zion
That's my favorite equation, but I also like ʃex
awesome, so there are some TeX commands implemented here.
143 | goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:24:28pm |
re: #137 LudwigVanQuixote
wait, can we import LaTeX?
if not, I shall have to forestall my plans.
If you're making a page you can put up whatever images you want in the main body. They won't be copyable as equations for the readers tho'.
144 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:24:36pm |
re: #141 austin_blue
Actually, you might want to concentrate on a Poisson distribution curve for the northern hemisphere and highlight how skewed the numbers are.
Poisson is hard to teach without teaching Gauss first. I assume you mean in terms of storm frequency?
145 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:26:10pm |
re: #142 LudwigVanQuixote
awesome, so there are some TeX commands implemented here.
That's just Windows character map.
146 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:27:14pm |
re: #139 Learned Mother of Zion
That's my favorite equation, but I also like ʃex
That is just ex + C.
There is no way a sweet little bubbie like you would be making a math pun about how one becomes a sweet bubbie would she?
;)
147 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:27:39pm |
148 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:28:12pm |
re: #143 goddamnedfrank
If you're making a page you can put up whatever images you want in the main body. They won't be copyable as equations for the readers tho'.
So perhaps use equation editor and then what make an image file and import it?
149 | SteveMcG Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:28:38pm |
re: #142 LudwigVanQuixote
I appreciate that you're trying to do something, so I don't want to get in the way. I'm actually going to have to come back later but I promise I'll check out your stuff. What I didn't get about pi was that I thought it was a measured quantity, as in d=2R(pi). If you could measure the diameter and radius you could calculate pi. But since pi has been calculated to thousands of digits, and I know there is no level of precision that will get you significant figures like that, there's got to be more to it. One of these days I'll wiki it I guess.
150 | erik_t Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:28:55pm |
re: #131 Obdicut
The sad part is that what is going to convince people is shit like this:
Massive Fish Kill-Off in Midwest as Heat Raises Water Temps
But math education is always good. Be as brief as possible.
Honestly, I feel like the fundamental challenge at this point is packaging. If you tell someone it's the end of the world as we know it, they are going to have a strong inclination to ignore the nasty data so that they can keep feeling fine.
I've got a postgraduate degree in STEM. I understand how science works. I have as great a faith in some level of AGW occurring as I do in the theory of elasticity, Kirchoff's laws, or Navier-Stokes, or band-gap theory. But you won't see me commenting much on AGW here.
Why? It's fuck-off depressing. God help me, I can't get myself to give it the time it deserves, either here or in my daily discussions with those around me. I know enough to know that shit's going sour, but not enough to know what we have to do to fix it. Top-level numbers that I hear (%CO2 reduction from Kyoto, for example) sound scary, regardless of whether or not they're achievable; even I have little context for them.
I feel like the best service that could be done by actual climate experts, in cooperation with the rest of the STEM community, is to address this latter. The marginal convincing power of one more temperature study, or even a fish die-off, is low (IMHO) compared to an explanation of the positive effect that could be achieved by Name Your Preferred Method. For instance:
Blablawhatever science indicates that a 20% CO2 reduction is needed to combat global warming. If the average American reduced their daily driving by four miles, it would result in a X% reduction. Turning up the thermostat 1degF in summer, and down 1degF in winter, would result in Y% reduction.
Things like that. Put these sorts of horrors in the context of things people can understand, and repeat that until the cows come home. Saying sorry, your grandchildren are going to live in a hellish wasteland is going to scare people into their shells much more than YOU can do your part to save the world by doing this and that specific things.
IMHO.
152 | Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:31:11pm |
re: #129 Obdicut
I'd like to add a suggestion to your good points. We should all have tax free MSA, Medical Savings Accounts. Or simply done, any cash spent on necessary medical costs is a straight write off. Every time I pay cash for a medical service it is a fraction of what any insurance company would be billed.
153 | goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:31:45pm |
re: #148 LudwigVanQuixote
So perhaps use equation editor and then what make an image file and import it?
Exactly. If it's your page then you can upload it and it'll show up in the main body without needing a link.
Also, Charles has recently implemented a module for parsing various programming languages with color highlighting and command lines. I'm not sure if there's a tutorial on it yet though. Makes me think that an open source LaTeX editor might be doable in the future though if we ask really nicely.
154 | SteveMcG Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:33:14pm |
re: #150 erik_t
What needs to be put into the discussion is that AGW denial is just about the most UNconservative position a conservative can have. Conservatives complain that liberals spend like there's no tomorrow. At the same time, conservatives want to consume and dump like there will never be a reckoning.
155 | SteveMcG Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:34:31pm |
re: #153 goddamnedfrank
Could one just draw the symbols by hand, then scan it and post a jpeg or a png?
156 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:34:32pm |
re: #149 SteveMcG
I appreciate that you're trying to do something, so I don't want to get in the way. I'm actually going to have to come back later but I promise I'll check out your stuff. What I didn't get about pi was that I thought it was a measured quantity, as in d=2R(pi). If you could measure the diameter and radius you could calculate pi. But since pi has been calculated to thousands of digits, and I know there is no level of precision that will get you significant figures like that, there's got to be more to it. One of these days I'll wiki it I guess.
While I figure out if it is even possible to write the sort of page I want to, I can say some things that might interest you about pi.
The definition of it is the ratio of circumference/diameter for a circle - where a circle is defined as the locus of all points equidistant from a central point.
On the one hand that is all there is to it.
Literally all there is to it.
On the other hand, the implications of that definition are rather vast.
First in the context of the infinite precision needed to make a decimal expression for pi, that is only true on a plane.
Consider this:
Imagine you are constrained to live on a curved surface. Say the surface of a sphere. Its a big sphere compared to you, so locally it looks flat. If you make a small circle on the "ground" and measure the ratio, you get 3.14...
But suppose your circle is the equator. The your diameter line would be a half circle going through one of the poles, and pi would be 2 exactly.
157 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:36:01pm |
re: #150 erik_t
STEM?
And the Navier-Stokes equations are something that I have a deep love/hate relationship with. I did a lot of work into turbulence.
158 | palomino Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:36:02pm |
re: #105 Learned Mother of Zion
Stuff a sock in it Bryan.
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Notice the way Fischer phrases his tweet: "Obama wants homos to have access to the Boy Scouts." Having access of course means having the ability to indoctrinate these kids into the overarching gay agenda, a conspiracy whose goal is to gay-ify everything American. Of course this agenda only exists in Pastor Bryan's imagination, and those of millions of his followers and co-religionist extremists.
159 | erik_t Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:36:56pm |
re: #157 LudwigVanQuixote
STEM?
And the Navier-Stokes equations are something that I have a deep love/hate relationship with. I did a lot of work into turbulence.
Science/tech/engineering/math. Seems to be the term all the cool kids are using.
Turbulence is... deeply frustrating.
160 | goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:37:43pm |
re: #155 SteveMcG
Could one just draw the symbols by hand, then scan it and post a jpeg or a png?
Yeah, that'll work too.
161 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:38:05pm |
re: #153 goddamnedfrank
Exactly. If it's your page then you can upload it and it'll show up in the main body without needing a link.
Also, Charles has recently implemented a module for parsing various programming languages with color highlighting and command lines. I'm not sure if there's a tutorial on it yet though. Makes me think that an open source LaTeX editor might be doable in the future though if we ask really nicely.
I am thinking I am going to have to hold off on on this until I can spend some time then turning the equations into something uploadable.
162 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:38:36pm |
re: #159 erik_t
Science/tech/engineering/math. Seems to be the term all the cool kids are using.
Turbulence is... deeply frustrating.
If you can come up with a Kolmogorov pun, I will salute you.
163 | erik_t Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:42:44pm |
Something something black power because get it 5/3 exponent and stuff...?
A Kolmogorov pun should be worth a fucking Presidential Medal of Freedom.
164 | compound_Idaho Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:43:30pm |
re: #152 Daniel Ballard
I'd like to add a suggestion to your good points. We should all have tax free MSA, Medical Savings Accounts. Or simply done, any cash spent on necessary medical costs is a straight write off. Every time I pay cash for a medical service it is a fraction of what any insurance company would be billed.
There truly are a number good approaches. We do not need to force everyone into a single payer system. I have used a catastrophic plan and an HSA for almost 20 years. Every year I put the premium difference in the HSA (well as much as is allowed). We've had a couple of health issues come up, but I now have well over $50k in that HSA account. Given my annual max out of pocket, doubt I will never go through all of that especially since the premium savings is almost as large as the max out of pocket.
I know it is not a good choice or even a choice at all for everyone, but don't take my freedom of choice away because it is not a good fit for everyone.
P.S. I have encountered a number of instances where the insurance company has been able to negotiate a price better than the one I can with cash in hand at the counter.
165 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:44:15pm |
re: #163 erik_t
Something something black power because get it 5/3 exponent and stuff...?
A Kolmogorov pun should be worth a fucking Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Damn straight.
Did I mention the KAM shaft needs work on my car. But its not a Taurus.
166 | goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:44:56pm |
re: #161 LudwigVanQuixote
I am thinking I am going to have to hold off on on this until I can spend some time then turning the equations into something uploadable.
Cool. FYI, I found the comment where Charles explains how to use the jquery syntax highlighter.
167 | palomino Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:45:17pm |
re: #109 Lidane
Pfft. His pizza is shit anyway. The only redeeming quality that Papa John's pizza has is the garlic butter dipping sauce, and that can be made at home in just a couple of minutes.
On one side, we have the hardship of paying 11 cents more per pizza. On the other, we have 40 million+ people who would get health insurance. Pretty easy for me to decide which side of that scale I come down on.
If I ever get to the point where I'm counting every penny, I'll give the pizza delivery driver 11 cents less to offset the higher cost of the pizza. Given the fact that he/she would now have health insurance, I don't think that person would mind the slightly smaller tip.
How many more idiot pizza barons are we gonna have to listen to during this election cycle? I feel like we've already surpassed our quota with Herman Cain and Papa John Shatner (or whatever the hell his name is).
169 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:47:25pm |
170 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:48:12pm |
re: #166 goddamnedfrank
Cool. FYI, I found the comment where Charles explains how to use the jquery syntax highlighter.
Thank you!
171 | palomino Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:57:08pm |
re: #164 compound_Idaho
There truly are a number good approaches. We do not need to force everyone into a single payer system. I have used a catastrophic plan and an HSA for almost 20 years. Every year I put the premium difference in the HSA (well as much as is allowed). We've had a couple of health issues come up, but I now have well over $50k in that HSA account. Given my annual max out of pocket, doubt I will never go through all of that especially since the premium savings is almost as large as the max out of pocket.
I know it is not a good choice or even a choice at all for everyone, but don't take my freedom of choice away because it is not a good fit for everyone.
P.S. I have encountered a number of instances where the insurance company has been able to negotiate a price better than the one I can with cash in hand at the counter.
Maybe not, but the real problem (that even Obamacare doesn't fully address) is skyrocketing medical costs, which rise much faster than the overall inflation rate.
We pay overall as a nation nearly twice as much per patient as any other country. And we rank about 40th in life expectancy, behind nearly every developed country (including nearly all the allegedly tyrannical countries with universal care...yeah, those Canadians, what a bunch of dangerous radicals.)
Normally, on planet earth, if a system has double the costs and produces mediocre results, it's not considered a success.
172 | SteveMcG Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:00:47pm |
While I was surfing around the Tom Lehrer stuff on YouTube, I heard a good line: "He went from rags to riches, but always maintained an exquisite taste in rags."
173 | abolitionist Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:09:02pm |
re: #122 LudwigVanQuixote
[snip] Is doing a page on some probability theory and the nature of the bell curve something that people here will read?
I would. I once taught myself how to linearize cumulative distribution data sets, and then apply a form of least-squares best fit, as if fitting a straight line, to determine mu and sigma, for essentially any data one could assume was representable as a gaussian. It was analogous to eyeballing a "best straight line" for ogive data points on so-called probablility graph paper.