An instant classic, as Mitt Romney breaks out the white board to explain that Romney good, Obama bad, Romney solvent, Obama bankrupt. Everything looks more authoritative when it’s written on a white board.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:42:05pm |
Hopefully they'll be better protected than pensions at a Bain-owned corporation...
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Digital Display Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:43:39pm |
Why does Mitt think we are too stupid to read a Powerpoint presentation?
Why not break out the Blackboard and go all Beck on our ass?
:)
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freetoken Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:45:21pm |
re: #2 Digital Display
Why not break out the Blackboard and go all Beck on our ass?
:)
Could you imagine Mitt in tennis shoes which clash with a sport coat?
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JamesWI Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:45:23pm |
re: #2 Digital Display
Why does Mitt think we are too stupid to read a Powerpoint presentation?
Why not break out the Blackboard and go all Beck on our ass?
:)
Powerpoint has a liberal bias/
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simoom Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:45:55pm |
Everything looks more authoritative when it’s written on a white board.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:46:14pm |
Hey Mitt, you forgot to show us your plan.
Or did you mean I won't have any change left?
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dragonath Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:47:13pm |
And now... for his next impression... Ross Perot!
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Mich-again Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:48:53pm |
dang.. why won't this erase..
Aw shit .. who put a F*ing Sharpie at the whiteboard?
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freetoken Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:49:12pm |
re: #5 simoom
Don't underestimate the magickal power of the written script.
Heck, whole religions have been centered around the idea.
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freetoken Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:50:37pm |
This whole whiteboard exercise is synonymous with what happens in creationists' classrooms, where some self-proclaimed expert writes all the points on the board, and therefore they are true.... or something like that.
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Digital Display Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:51:27pm |
If Mitt gets elected..His first State of the Union address will be just like Gordon Gecko in Wall Street..
Greed is Good...
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simoom Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:51:33pm |
Everything looks more authoritative when it’s written on a white board.
Image: 0_21_450_101909_HAN_ROVE_0.jpg
^Rove's Powerball lottery picks?
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jaunte Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:52:54pm |
"Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney on Thursday insisted that he had paid more than 13 percent of his income in taxes over the last 10 years, and accused the people who want to see his returns of being "small-minded."
[Link: videocafe.crooksandliars.com...]
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austin_blue Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:53:17pm |
Glenn Beck just came in his pants.
I know.
Eeew.
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engineer cat Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:53:27pm |
how long do they think they can duck the question "but doesn't your plan cut even more from medicare? how else can your plan possibly operate if you won't raise taxes and "we can't afford" medicare in its current form?"
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Mich-again Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:54:00pm |
Leaked footage of Mitt getting schooled by Teabilly. /
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Digital Display Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:55:09pm |
re: #14 simoom
Image: 0_21_450_101909_HAN_ROVE_0.jpg
^Rove's Powerball lottery picks?
Rove! You magnificent Bastard! I read your book!
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freetoken Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:55:38pm |
re: #15 dragonath
F***in' Medicare... how does it work?
The tides taxes come in, the tides taxes go out. YOU CAN'T 'SPLAIN THAT!
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allegro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:56:58pm |
re: #2 Digital Display
Why does Mitt think we are too stupid to read a Powerpoint presentation?
Why not break out the Blackboard and go all Beck on our ass?
:)
He prefers white.
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Mich-again Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:57:02pm |
re: #21 freetoken
The
tidestaxes come in, thetidestaxes go out. YOU CAN'T 'SPLAIN THAT!
Too complex to have simply evolved, it was designed.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:57:05pm |
re: #12 freetoken
Arrows. Arrows in a circle indicate connections. Connections indicate insightful smartyness.
And circles.
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jaunte Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:57:10pm |
The Romney camp, ignoring 1st Rule of Holes, digs itself in deeper re: its middle-class tax hike: nyti.ms/Q5l1Aw
— Greg Greene (@ggreeneva) August 17, 2012
Tax Analysts, Responding to Critics, Reaffirm Findings on Romney Plan
The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, after considering conservative critiques of its recent, much-publicized analysis of Mitt Romney’s tax agenda, said on Thursday that its conclusion stands: His proposals would mean big tax cuts for the highest-income taxpayers and increases for everyone else.
“A reform proposal that meets the five goals” that Mr. Romney has outlined for overhauling the tax code “would have to raise burdens on middle-class households,” the three authors of the analysis wrote in a nine-page response [link to .pdf] to the criticism.
That is inevitable, they said, mainly as a consequence of two of Mr. Romney’s five goals: His insistence that any tax overhaul should be revenue-neutral, neither reducing nor increasing annual budget deficits, and that it should protect or even sweeten existing tax breaks for savings and investment like those for dividends and capital gains income.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:00:28pm |
re: #18 engineer cat
how long do they think they can duck the question "but doesn't your plan cut even more from medicare? how else can your plan possibly operate if you won't raise taxes and "we can't afford" medicare in its current form?"
It is a really obvious unanswered question, isn't it?
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:06:37pm |
re: #24 OhNoZombies!
Arrows. Arrows in a circle indicate connections. Connections indicate insightful smartyness.
And circles.
Yo, words and glyphs. Nouns and verbs bitches!
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:13:07pm |
re: #7 dragonath
And now... for his next impression... Ross Perot!
At least Perot paid for proper charts, professionally produced. And I'll still give Perot credit for being a billionaire who warned against the consquences of outsourcing cheap labor. That breed is extinct.
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Lidane Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:17:03pm |
Hey Mitt-- Ross Perot called. He said to tell you that your whiteboard is cheap and low rent compared to the pie charts he rocked 20 years ago.
Also, that giant sucking sound you hear is your campaign. You might want to have that looked at.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:18:31pm |
re: #27 goddamnedfrank
Glyphs! Verbs! That there sounds like that magic devil Obammy talk, and we don't take kindly to that down here in the parish!
:)
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Spocomptonite Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:23:02pm |
Interesting development for Mitt Romney in my state: Romney might not be allowed on Washington's ballot.
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Lidane Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:27:03pm |
re: #31 Spocomptonite
Interesting development for Mitt Romney in my state: Romney might not be allowed on Washington's ballot.
Ah, libertarians. They're always good for some laughs.
I'm already looking forward to whatever goofy shit Crazy Uncle Liberty and his followers bring to the RNC. Haha.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:27:46pm |
re: #30 OhNoZombies!
Glyphs! Verbs! That there sounds like that magic devil Obammy talk, and we don't take kindly to that down here in the parish!
:)
The Bible clearly says that auto-discovery for hinting looks worse than normal hinting for fonts with good instructions, but better for those with poor or no instructions. The autohinter and subpixel rendering are not designed to work together and should not be used in combination.
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Gus Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:28:21pm |
I think after Romney had a job for a 6 months his father said "OK son here's 3 millions dollars" and everything worked out from there.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:33:00pm |
I like whiteboards. I use one in my science class. We use one to play pictionary.
It's actually more expensive than using paper and pencil.
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Spocomptonite Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:33:24pm |
re: #33 Lidane
Ah, libertarians. They're always good for some laughs.
I'm already looking forward to whatever goofy shit Crazy Uncle Liberty and his followers bring to the RNC. Haha.
The funny part is, it's totally serious. The law is on the Libertarian's side, technically the Democratic Party is the only "major" party in WA, and the Republican Party is technically on the same level as the Libertarian Party. And the Libertarian party wants Republicans to jump through the same extra hoops they have to.
I'm no fan of Libertarians, but this must be absolutely delicious for them.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:33:45pm |
re: #34 What Would Spalding Gray Do?
Not in the King James Version.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:40:31pm |
re: #34 What Would Spalding Gray Do?
The Bible clearly says that auto-discovery for hinting looks worse than normal hinting for fonts with good instructions, but better for those with poor or no instructions. The autohinter and subpixel rendering are not designed to work together and should not be used in combination.
Obviously I have no idea what you're talking about. Computers are shiny typewriters, with pictures and games to me.
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jaunte Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:43:14pm |
Economists to Romney campaign: That’s not what our research says, part II
"...As for Reinhart, I asked her about this for a retrospective I did on the Obama administration’s economic policy. “The initial policy of monetary and fiscal stimulus really made a huge difference,” she told me. “I would tattoo that on my forehead. The output decline we had was peanuts compared to the output decline we would otherwise have had in a crisis like this. That isn’t fully appreciated.”
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prairiefire Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:51:26pm |
Is Mr. Romney actually trying to run for POTUSA?
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freetoken Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:53:54pm |
re: #41 jaunte
Those "economists" only say that because they refuse to accept Biblical Economics. If they weren't serving Satan, those "economists" would realize how ungodly they truly are with all that wealth redistribution.
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simoom Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:02:09pm |
Apparently Thaddeus McCotter also faked his way into previous elections too:
More fake petitions for Thaddeus McCotter discovered
The staff of former U.S. Rep. Thaddeus McCotter evidently had some practice dummying up petitions in order to get their boss on the ballot.
A review of the nominating petitions turned in for McCotter's elections from 2002 through 2012 shows he did not have enough signatures to qualify to run in at least the 2008, 2010 and 2012 elections. The skullduggery wasn't detected until this year, when a part-time staffer for the Secretary of State found that of the more than 1,800 signatures turned in by the McCotter campaign for 2012, only 244 were valid.
...
"I started with 2010 and immediately thought, 'This is unbelievable,' " said Jim Daggy, data archivist for the consulting firm. "It was like a giant 100-foot sore thumb sticking out. My God, what were these people thinking?"
The 2002 and 2004 petitions were relatively clean with few duplicates, but in 2008, at least 67 of the 177 petition pages submitted were either copies or had been doctored by cutting and pasting dates from other documents onto the petitions.
The 2006 petitions were apparently the source for cut-and-paste jobs in 2008 and 2010. Some of the 2006 petitions, however, also were duplicates.
"It seems like at every election cycle, they expanded on what they had done and used some new tricks," Daggy said. "They just got more and more emboldened."
In 2010, at least 73 of the 167 pages turned in were duplicates, which would have invalided more than 1,000 of the signatures. In 2012, both the cut-and-paste and duplicate tricks were used.
Daggy said the doctoring is stunning.
"You see little rinky-dink stuff that you can pass off, but this is just -- you have to wonder what was going on in their heads, that they didn't think they were going to get caught," he said.
I'd imagine his opponents from those races, who should have been serving in Congress in his stead, are none too happy.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:04:55pm |
re: #44 simoom
Apparently Thaddeus McCotter also faked his way into previous elections too:
More fake petitions for Thaddeus McCotter discoveredI'd imagine his opponents from those races, who should have been serving in Congress in his stead, are none too happy.
The obvious answer is that we need to purge the voter rolls and require voter IDs.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:07:00pm |
I'm thinking of John Stewart's Glenn Beck chalkboard spoof... Surely Romney is going to get the same treatment? I need the laugh.
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Amory Blaine Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:11:28pm |
WOW!! Romney's a fucking genius!!! Write down solvent, wallah you're solvent!!
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Lidane Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:25:55pm |
re: #43 freetoken
Those "economists" only say that because they refuse to accept Biblical Economics. If they weren't serving Satan, those "economists" would realize how ungodly they truly are with all that wealth redistribution.
Related:
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JonathanD Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:36:01pm |
Say what you will, and tongues may wag, but I like Paul Ryan. He rocked as Eddie Munster years ago.
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simoom Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:37:45pm |
WaPo: Federal court gives 5 Florida counties extra early voting days
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — A federal court on Thursday gave five Florida counties four extra days of early voting in this fall’s elections.
The Republican-controlled Florida legislature last year cut the state’s number of early-voting days to 8 from 12. But the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia said the changes won’t happen in Collier, Hardee, Hendry, Hillsborough and Monroe counties, which are covered by Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
That section requires election changes to be cleared by federal officials or federal judges. The states covered under Section 5 are mostly in the South and all have a history of discriminating against blacks, American Indians, Asian-Americans, Alaskan Natives or Hispanics.
The three-judge panel said Thursday that the reduction in early voting days in those counties “would make it materially more difficult for some minority voters to cast a ballot.” But the 119-page ruling did say there were ways Florida could change its early voting practices that would not adversely impact minority voting rights.
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engineer cat Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:41:01pm |
omg somebody let a 1920s tru-tone soprano sax thru the ebay bidding wars and i got it at a reasonable price!
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blueraven Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:49:01pm |
re: #51 engineer cat
omg somebody let a 1920s tru-tone soprano sax thru the ebay bidding wars and i got it at a reasonable price!
congrats!
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EdDantes Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:50:53pm |
re: #51 engineer cat
omg somebody let a 1920s tru-tone soprano sax thru the ebay bidding wars and i got it at a reasonable price!
Shirley, You can't be serious!
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engineer cat Thu, Aug 16, 2012 11:12:38pm |
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engineer cat Thu, Aug 16, 2012 11:14:18pm |
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engineer cat Thu, Aug 16, 2012 11:16:05pm |
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EdDantes Thu, Aug 16, 2012 11:21:18pm |
re: #55 engineer cat
I hope this mean you are a Dempsey fan. There has never been a heavyweight to match Dempsey's speed, power, ferocity and toughness.
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dragonath Thu, Aug 16, 2012 11:35:12pm |
There used to be a video floating around on Youtube where Ali trashed Dempsey's fighting style. It was really funny.
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sagehen Thu, Aug 16, 2012 11:43:13pm |
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EdDantes Thu, Aug 16, 2012 11:49:50pm |
re: #58 dragonath
There used to be a video floating around on Youtube where Ali trashed Dempsey's fighting style. It was really funny.
I saw something in the seventies where Ali said Dempsey was a joke. Of course Dempsey wasn't swarming him at the time throwing non stop punches from all angles.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Aug 17, 2012 12:06:26am |
'Middle of the Night, All--
It's 2 AM here, and I'm thanking the dog for the wake-up call. Just hanging in until a glass of red puts me out again, I hope. Had our voter registration training session last night, and head to Florida in the morning.
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JamesWI Fri, Aug 17, 2012 12:07:20am |
LOL......Presented With Letters, Ryan Admits Requesting Stimulus Cash
...As recently as Wednesday in Ohio, Mitt Romney's running mate told ABC's Cincinnati affiliate, WCPO, he did not.
"I never asked for stimulus," Ryan said. "I don't recall… so I really can't comment on it. I opposed the stimulus because it doesn't work, it didn't work."
Two years ago, during an interview on WBZ's NewsRadio he was asked by a caller if he "accepted any money" into his district. Ryan said he did not.......
..... Thursday, Ryan responded to the questions himself.
"After having these letters called to my attention I checked into them, and they were treated as constituent service requests in the same way matters involving Social Security or Veterans Affairs are handled," Ryan said in a statement. "This is why I didn't recall the letters earlier. But they should have been handled differently, and I take responsibility for that.
"I didn't ask for any stimulus money! I didn't ask for any stimulus money! I didn't ask for any stimulus money!......Oh crap, you have the letters??? Well then, I guess my requests for stimulus money WERE treated as requests for stimulus money....."
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freetoken Fri, Aug 17, 2012 12:46:51am |
Looking around for music to inspire me.... and not finding that for which I'm searching...
By which I mean something meaty and serious, but new and edgy and engaging. 20th century composers were an odd mixture, and "serious" composes seem to fall into two groups (1) those who went weird (atonal, etc.), and (2) those who wrote what we might label "movie" music.
I've been trying to get into contemporary composer Einojuhani Rautavaara's stuff, but it's not quite there. For example, the following is the last movement from this seventh symphony, which is nice but strikes me again as too movie-ish:
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Decatur Deb Fri, Aug 17, 2012 12:56:51am |
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Decatur Deb Fri, Aug 17, 2012 12:59:20am |
re: #64 freetoken
Listening on laptop speakers--assume it doesn't do it justice.
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AK-47% Fri, Aug 17, 2012 1:26:09am |
re: #19 Mich-again
Leaked footage of Mitt getting schooled by Teabilly. /
[Embedded content]
This is the very same approach they bring to Biology, history and economics. And if the Tea Party has its way, we will be required to teach "both sides of the argument".
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Targetpractice Fri, Aug 17, 2012 1:27:04am |
re: #63 JamesWI
LOL......Presented With Letters, Ryan Admits Requesting Stimulus Cash
"I didn't ask for any stimulus money! I didn't ask for any stimulus money! I didn't ask for any stimulus money!......Oh crap, you have the letters??? Well then, I guess my requests for stimulus money WERE treated as requests for stimulus money....."
He went with the argument made earlier, namely "This is routine stuff, I didn't think of it as requesting money."
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Decatur Deb Fri, Aug 17, 2012 1:31:53am |
re: #68 Targetpractice
He went with the argument made earlier, namely "This is routine stuff, I didn't think of it as requesting money."
Then he doesn't much understand his job.
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Targetpractice Fri, Aug 17, 2012 1:34:04am |
re: #69 Decatur Deb
Then he doesn't much understand his job.
The part that jumps out at me on a second go-over is "should have been handled differently." What exactly is he saying, that had he known he would be running for VP two years later, he'd have told the companies "Sorry, I can't be seen supporting stimulus dollars, so take your requests elsewhere"?
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freetoken Fri, Aug 17, 2012 1:40:44am |
AP gets around to the story:
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Amory Blaine Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:50:00am |
This board shows he supports the status quo.
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William of Orange Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:32:46am |
White board, Etch-a-sketch....
What's the difference?
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:23:08am |
re: #28 What Would Spalding Gray Do?
At least Perot paid for proper charts, professionally produced. And I'll still give Perot credit for being a billionaire who warned against the consquences of outsourcing cheap labor. That breed is extinct.
After Y2K, EDS could not move their entire professional workforce overseas fast enough. Entire U.S. campii were closed down and reopened in India, with Indian programmers.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:34:45am |
re: #75 Learned Mother of Zion
Shoosh! You're interfering with my story.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:45:20am |
re: #76 What Would Spalding Gray Do?
Shoosh! You're interfering with my story.
EDS used to totally control the entire IT department at GM. There was a lot of friction back in the day between EDS and the GM engineers they worked with, because of conflicting corporate ideologies. When EDS took over the IT Dept. at GM, all the GM IT workers were forced to join EDS. They lost all the benefits they had accumulated at GM.
The UAW reached out and tried to organize the salaried IT workers. That did not work out well.
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Aye Pod Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:53:06am |
re: #12 freetoken
This whole whiteboard exercise is synonymous with what happens in creationists' classrooms, where some self-proclaimed expert writes all the points on the board, and therefore they are true.... or something like that.
This looks and smells like education to me
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:55:55am |
Sum total of #Ryan's private sector experience: Summer jobs at McDonald's, his family's construction company. thkpr.gs/NnNs0n #tcot #p2— joshua epstein (@thejoshuablog) August 17, 2012
Why would Mitt choose someone so unqualified?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:10:21am |
Good morning Lizards. A sunny day in Philadelphia as the large yellow sphere of fusion rolls across the sky unimpeded by clouds (for now).
A busy day in IT infrastructure here today. Contractor coming in to do upgrades to the software in the videoconference room equipment. Contractor coming in to do maintenance to the A/C units in the server room. And a contractor coming in about 7pm to turn off the water pump for said A/C units since there is a building power outage this weekend. And I get to kick everyone off the local network at 5pm to turn off all the server equipment for the same outage.
Otherwise just a quiet Friday... ;)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:13:49am |
Also, the vet recommended that His Imperial Crankiness start taking a potassium supplement based upon his recent check-up. So some extra powder is added to his food every day. He can tell that something extra is there, doesn't like it, and complains about it a lot. I ignore him, and he eventually eats it. In the interim he sulks.
I asked the vet whether I could get a mouse; feed the mouse a banana; and then feed the mouse to the cat since that would supply both potassium and roughage. The vet thought I was joking.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:16:48am |
re: #80 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Good morning Lizards. A sunny day in Philadelphia as the large yellow sphere of fusion rolls across the sky unimpeded by clouds (for now).
A busy day in IT infrastructure here today. Contractor coming in to do upgrades to the software in the videoconference room equipment. Contractor coming in to do maintenance to the A/C units in the server room. And a contractor coming in about 7pm to turn off the water pump for said A/C units since there is a building power outage this weekend. And I get to kick everyone off the local network at 5pm to turn off all the server equipment for the same outage.
Otherwise just a quiet Friday... ;)
I remember very well the time a contractor came to perform maintenance on the A/C in the server room, it was back in '96 or '97. The guy touched the wrong switch and caused a halon dump. Killed two mainframes. It took DAYS to restore the system from TAPE backups.
Good times.
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:18:31am |
re: #82 Learned Mother of Zion
My brother Mike wrote a letter to University of Connecticut when he was there, complaining that while they were building a brand-new sports arena, the registration and housing computers were still literal punch-card mainframes. This was in 1992.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:21:22am |
re: #79 Learned Mother of Zion
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Why would Mitt choose someone so unqualified?
He chose Ryan for a government job, and Ryan has the qualifications there. Moreover, he has the hunger and intelligence that Mitt Romney has typically sought in those he has promoted or hired over the years.
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:21:49am |
And Obama's campaign just whipped this out. It's pretty amazing.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
They're saying "Okay, well how about just five years of tax returns?"
They are really sticking it to him on this. They keep finding ways to keep the issue at the forefront of people's minds. And I think they know what those returns would show.
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:23:08am |
re: #84 Dark_Falcon
Can you acknowledge the stupid hypocrisy of a man who said that he'd like to make it a requirement that everyone running for president had to have extensive business experience picking a running mate who has almost none?
Or is it just physically painful for you to deal with what a shitbag Romney is and how he abuses the trust that people like you put in him at every turn?
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Varek Raith Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:24:57am |
You know it's one of those days when you have to re-filter your coffee....
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:26:47am |
re: #87 Varek Raith
Buy one of these, man. It's amazing.
[Link: thriftynickel.biz...]
It's like a non-messy french press. You can even buy a little metal filter for it instead of the paper ones. But it's so handy.
Did you see the TF2 update? Co-op? Wha-hey.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:28:57am |
re: #88 Obdicut
Buy one of these, man. It's amazing.
[Link: thriftynickel.biz...]
It's like a non-messy french press. You can even buy a little metal filter for it instead of the paper ones. But it's so handy.
Did you see the TF2 update? Co-op? Wha-hey.
How do you make coffee using a French press?
No really. I want to buy one but I have no clue how to use it.
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:32:23am |
re: #89 Learned Mother of Zion
Don't. Buy the aeropress instead.
But since you're gonna go ahead and do it anyway:
Take the steel presser out of the french press. Measure the coffee into it. Pour boiling water on the grounds. Let steep for however long you like your coffee to steep for. I'd do like four minutes. Then press down with the presser until all the grounds are trapped at the bottom. Pour out the coffee. Enjoy. Then spend fifteen minutes cleaning the damn grains out of the presser during cleanup, and the fiddly inside of the carafe. Accidentally smack the carafe against the wall of the sink while trying to get one grimey bit, shatter it, and pay $20 for a replacement.
Or just use an aeropress.
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AntonSirius Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:33:30am |
re: #13 Digital Display
If Mitt gets elected..His first State of the Union address will be just like Gordon Gecko in Wall Street..
Greed is Good...
Gekko/Galt '12!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:33:35am |
re: #84 Dark_Falcon
He chose Ryan for a government job, and Ryan has the qualifications there. Moreover, he has the hunger and intelligence that Mitt Romney has typically sought in those he has promoted or hired over the years.
Which might be good for business where cut throat practices and climbing up over the bodies of your foes and co-workers who couldn't "cut it" is considered a positive asset. I think the proper emotional mindset for good government service is cut from slightly different cloth.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:34:02am |
re: #86 Obdicut
Can you acknowledge the stupid hypocrisy of a man who said that he'd like to make it a requirement that everyone running for president had to have extensive business experience picking a running mate who has almost none?
Or is it just physically painful for you to deal with what a shitbag Romney is and how he abuses the trust that people like you put in him at every turn?
He's running Ryan for VP, so its not real hypocrisy. Call it 'on the job training' if you will. Mitt's done that a small number of times as I understand it: Taken someone whom he feels has great potential who otherwise lacks some formal qualification and elevated them while training them.
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:36:11am |
re: #93 Dark_Falcon
He's running Ryan for VP, so its not real hypocrisy.
Yes it is. He thinks that someone who is president should have business experience. He had plenty of VP picks available with that. He could have picked them.
The on the job training part is foolish, because what Romney is asserting is that people need to work in business, not in government. On the job training would be Romney getting Ryan a job at Bain so that he could learn the business stuff that Romney thinks is so invaluable.
Romney is not currently running a business. So that explanation has no merit.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:38:04am |
re: #92 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Which might be good for business where cut throat practices and climbing up over the bodies of your foes and co-workers who couldn't "cut it" is considered a positive asset. I think the proper emotional mindset for good government service is cut from slightly different cloth.
Mitt Romney doesn't think so, at least not for VP. Moreover, the House of Representatives is a nest of vipers, and you gotta be smart and ruthless to succeed there.
Moreover Mitt wants a hatchet man, someone who can deliver the harsh attacks on Obama the campaign is going to need to deliver. Paul Ryan has both the articulation and intelligence to serve in that capacity.
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makeitstop Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:38:29am |
re: #93 Dark_Falcon
He's running Ryan for VP, so its not real hypocrisy. Call it 'on the job training' if you will. Mitt's done that a small number of times as I understand it: Taken someone whom he feels has great potential who otherwise lacks some formal qualification and elevated them while training them.
For Vice President? Come on. The job's a little too important for on the job training.
And how in the hell is Mitt going to train him to be VP? Mit himself is going to be learning on the job.
Showing someone the ropes at Bain Capital is one thing. But Mitt (if he wins) is going into a job that he'll be learning. How's he going to train Ryan for a job that he himself has never held?
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:38:57am |
re: #90 Obdicut
Don't. Buy the aeropress instead.
But since you're gonna go ahead and do it anyway:
Take the steel presser out of the french press. Measure the coffee into it. Pour boiling water on the grounds. Let steep for however long you like your coffee to steep for. I'd do like four minutes. Then press down with the presser until all the grounds are trapped at the bottom. Pour out the coffee. Enjoy. Then spend fifteen minutes cleaning the damn grains out of the presser during cleanup, and the fiddly inside of the carafe. Accidentally smack the carafe against the wall of the sink while trying to get one grimey bit, shatter it, and pay $20 for a replacement.
Or just use an aeropress.
OK next question: how do you make coffee using an aeropress? Do you recommend the Aerobie?
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Destro Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:40:24am |
This tactic worked out great for Ross Perot!! Oh wait, no it didn't!
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:46:49am |
re: #98 Destro
This tactic worked out great for Ross Perot!! Oh wait, no it didn't!
Mitt Romney is more stable, a somewhat better presenter, and better looking than Ross Perot.
No, 'better looking' shouldn't matter, but we all know that it does matter.
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wheat-dogg Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:47:46am |
re: #90 Obdicut
Don't. Buy the aeropress instead.
But since you're gonna go ahead and do it anyway:
Take the steel presser out of the french press. Measure the coffee into it. Pour boiling water on the grounds. Let steep for however long you like your coffee to steep for. I'd do like four minutes. Then press down with the presser until all the grounds are trapped at the bottom. Pour out the coffee. Enjoy. Then spend fifteen minutes cleaning the damn grains out of the presser during cleanup, and the fiddly inside of the carafe. Accidentally smack the carafe against the wall of the sink while trying to get one grimey bit, shatter it, and pay $20 for a replacement.
Or just use an aeropress.
Fifteen minutes? I rinse mine as soon as I pour the coffee into my mug, then come back later to finish the cleaning after I drink the coffee. Takes 10 minutes, tops.
I skip the smacking the carafe part, too. Wide bottle brushes or a long sponge help the cleaning part.
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:11:13am |
re: #97 Learned Mother of Zion
OK next question: how do you make coffee using an aeropress? Do you recommend the Aerobie?
You screw together the filter and the column. You put coffee grounds in the column, on the filter. You put the whole thing on top of your coffee mug. You fill with boiling water, stir briskly, and then press the column down with the plunger. The force of the pressure is large enough that you don't have to wait for it to steep. The coffee comes out the bottom of the filter as you press. The grounds are trapped against the filter. Afterwards, you just unscrew it and push the plunger the final half inch to pop the grounds into the trash. You rinse it off and you're done.
By using more grounds, you can make concentrated coffee and then spread it out with hot water for multiple people, but it's best use is definitely for the single cup.
It's nicely meditative, too.
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makeitstop Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:11:56am |
re: #95 Dark_Falcon
Moreover Mitt wants a hatchet man, someone who can deliver the harsh attacks on Obama the campaign is going to need to deliver. Paul Ryan has both the articulation and intelligence to serve in that capacity.
Mitt has already accused the president of stealing, being 'angry, desperate and hateful,' lied about welfare, early voting in Ohio, and 'you didn't build that.'
What harsh attack is he saving for Ryan? Does Ryan get to deliver the 'N' word at the convention?
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Decatur Deb Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:12:09am |
re: #90 Obdicut
Don't. Buy the aeropress instead.
But since you're gonna go ahead and do it anyway:
Take the steel presser out of the french press. Measure the coffee into it. Pour boiling water on the grounds. Let steep for however long you like your coffee to steep for. I'd do like four minutes. Then press down with the presser until all the grounds are trapped at the bottom. Pour out the coffee. Enjoy. Then spend fifteen minutes cleaning the damn grains out of the presser during cleanup, and the fiddly inside of the carafe. Accidentally smack the carafe against the wall of the sink while trying to get one grimey bit, shatter it, and pay $20 for a replacement.
Or just use an aeropress.
Our FP is stainless steel, forming a vacuum bottle, made by ThermosNissan. It goes for around 40 bucks, but we found it in a thrift store.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:13:40am |
re: #102 makeitstop
Mit has already accused the president of stealing, being 'angry, desperate and hateful,' lied about welfare, early voting in Ohio, and 'you didn't build that.'
What harsh attack is he saving for Ryan? Does Ryan get to deliver the 'N' word at the convention?
If he does, can we dust off "Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion"?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:15:51am |
re: #104 Decatur Deb
If he does, can we dust off "Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion"?
Wouldn't work now, given that the South now votes Republican. If anyone was going to use that line today, it would be Obama.
"Blaine, Blaine, you oughta be ashamed! A Continental Liar from the state of Maine."
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:18:18am |
re: #102 makeitstop
Mitt has already accused the president of stealing, being 'angry, desperate and hateful,' lied about welfare, early voting in Ohio, and 'you didn't build that.'
What harsh attack is he saving for Ryan? Does Ryan get to deliver the 'N' word at the convention?
No, he's going to call Obama the 'S' word instead.
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Lidane Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:23:06am |
re: #69 Decatur Deb
Then he doesn't much understand his job.
He doesn't understand the job he has and he's now seeking a promotion.
What fun.
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Varek Raith Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:24:07am |
re: #106 Dark_Falcon
No, he's going to call Obama the 'S' word instead.
No offense but conservatives tend to have no freaking clue what socialism even means.
Let alone explain how Obama is one.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:34:12am |
Insert Tea Party joke here:
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:35:09am |
Mt Wilson sunrise, nice glow on the observatory dome
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darthstar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:35:10am |
re: #102 makeitstop
Mitt has already accused the president of stealing, being 'angry, desperate and hateful,' lied about welfare, early voting in Ohio, and 'you didn't build that.'
What harsh attack is he saving for Ryan? Does Ryan get to deliver the 'N' word at the convention?
They'll let Ryan's 78 year old mom use it in Florida today...then claim she's just a nice little old lady who wants to see her son become VP, and didn't mean anything by it.
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Lidane Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:37:24am |
re: #93 Dark_Falcon
He's running Ryan for VP, so its not real hypocrisy.
Bullshit. Mitt's on record suggesting that a candidate should have three years of business experience before running for POTUS:
That requirement would disqualify Paul Ryan from the job. Period.
And "on the job training"? Really, Dark? Just admit that Mitt Romney is a shitty nominee, that his VP candidate wouldn't qualify for POTUS under Mitt's own rules, and that the entire campaign they've run so far is a joke.
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Interesting Times Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:37:49am |
Sometimes you wonder why we do the things we do. fb.me/1VdQewtvk— Climate Action (@ClimateActio2n) August 17, 2012
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:40:03am |
re: #104 Decatur Deb
If he does, can we dust off "Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion"?
Did you vote in that one?/
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:43:22am |
re: #111 What Would Spalding Gray Do?
Insert Tea Party joke here:
Hanged and decapitated. That's the sort of capital punishment we need now!
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:58:55am |
36 killed after South African police opened fire on hundreds of workers on strike at a platinum mine: goo.gl/CHN6I— The Raw Story (@RawStory) August 17, 2012
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:01:47am |
BREAKING: Russian court sentences Pussy Riot members to 2 years in prison each.— CaptivatingNews (@CaptivatingNews) August 17, 2012
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:02:39am |
re: #119 RogueOne
Saw the video last night. Pretty brutal.
Sounds like it. Both sides were out of control it seems. According to Raw Story. Of course it's pretty obvious who lost.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:03:03am |
re: #118 Gus
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The crowd was clearly armed and they were advancing on police. When a man with a machete or spear is advancing on you and refuses your command to halt, deadly force is the appropriate response.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:03:24am |
"No normal Russian would support these ****s. The only ones for #PussyRiot are emigrants, fags and kikes." - Eduard Bagirov, Putin surrogate— Michael Idov (@michaelidov) August 17, 2012
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:04:17am |
re: #121 Gus
Full auto can clear a crowd pretty quickly. There isn't much context to the video, it starts right before the shooting begins, but I'm having a hard time coming up with a good enough reason to open fire on a crowd at that distance.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:07:07am |
re: #124 RogueOne
Full auto can clear a crowd pretty quickly. There isn't much context to the video, it starts right before the shooting begins, but I'm having a hard time coming up with a good enough reason to open fire on a crowd at that distance.
48 hour rule should probably apply.
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:08:58am |
re: #122 Dark_Falcon
The crowd was clearly armed and they were advancing on police. When a man with a machete or spear is advancing on you and refuses your command to halt, deadly force is the appropriate response.
I think it would have been better to bail than open fire and kill dozens over a strike in the middle of nowhere.
According to the local police:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
The commissioner, Riah Phiyega, described a desperate struggle by the police to contain the machete-wielding crowd of thousands of angry miners who broke through two lines of defense, leaving officers with no choice but to open fire with live ammunition.
“The militant group stormed towards the police firing shots and wielding dangerous weapons,” Commissioner Phiyega said. Previous attempts by the 500-strong police force to repel them with rubber bullets, water cannons and stun grenades had failed, she said in an emotional news conference here.
“This is no time for finger-pointing,” Commissioner Phiyega said. “It is a time for us to mourn the sad and black moment we experienced as a country.”
Sometimes it's better to de-escalate.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:09:04am |
More on Pussy Riot sentencing: Judge says all three band members "committed hooliganism driven by religious hatred": apne.ws/NLLhUx— CaptivatingNews (@CaptivatingNews) August 17, 2012
New From JMG: RUSSIA: Appeals Court Upholds Moscow Gay Pride Ban For Next 100 Years: Moscow's top court has uphe... bit.ly/PyoLjl— JoeMyGod (@JoeMyGod) August 17, 2012
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Interesting Times Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:10:01am |
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:10:05am |
re: #130 Gus
"Hooliganism" can be the title of their next CD. I'm ready to pre-order.
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:11:21am |
Speaking of Pussy Riot, I wonder how Sergey is doing. Has he been around at all?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:11:34am |
re: #118 Gus
From that story:
After that killing, police reformed their crowd control measures, skills that now appear to have been lost, said the Institute’s research manager Lucy Holborn.
“In a crowd control situation, police shouldn’t be armed with live ammunition,” she told AFP.
“It comes down to inadequate training, to too few police dealing with too many people, without adequate protection like shields.”
Lady, when a crowd is armed like that one was the cops ain't gonna go in with live ammo. Once things are ugly enough that the crowd is carrying blades, there's gonna be some killin'. Only question is who dies and how they die.
The above is a change from my usual 'high' English. It is intended to represent how I would answer that line in real life.
BBL
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lawhawk Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:13:06am |
re: #125 RayFerd
Anti Semitic slurs aren't surprising in the slightest; the mainstreaming of anti Semitism, along with anti-Islamism is part and parcel of xenophobia due to economic woes across Europe and the need to scapegoat others for economic failings. There's always been that undercurrent, but it's reemerging in all the usual places.
It's 1930s all over again.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:13:08am |
re: #133 RogueOne
Speaking of Pussy Riot, I wonder how Sergey is doing. Has he been around at all?
He's on a self imposed hiatus. Exchanged a Tweet direct message with him a month ago... he's still alive and kicking. ;)
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:16:26am |
HA HA Good luck with that
@dailybeasttv @keachhagey @nytimes Hows about they pay me to read the crap they print?— Dan Floyd (@westpatravel) August 17, 2012
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Lidane Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:18:48am |
re: #137 Learned Mother of Zion
HA HA Good luck with that
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Paying for news online? In an age of Twitter and Facebook? Heh. Never happen. Ever.
It's cute how dying media tries to hold on to their relevance.
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:26:11am |
re: #139 Lidane
Paying for news online? In an age of Twitter and Facebook? Heh. Never happen. Ever.
It's cute how dying media tries to hold on to their relevance.
My local paper, IndyStar.com, is starting to charge for online content in the next couple of weeks. They think people are going to pay $12/mo to read their site. I'm guessing it won't go well.
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Varek Raith Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:28:08am |
re: #136 Gus
He's on a self imposed hiatus. Exchanged a Tweet direct message with him a month ago... he's still alive and kicking. ;)
No doubt hole up in a cave looking like Grizzly Adams.
/
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Bulworth Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:30:54am |
Mitt Romney breaks out the white board to explain that Romney good, Obama bad, Romney solvent, Obama bankrupt.
Mitt shouldn't mess around with things he doesn't understand.
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makeitstop Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:31:30am |
re: #139 Lidane
Paying for news online? In an age of Twitter and Facebook? Heh. Never happen. Ever.
It's cute how dying media tries to hold on to their relevance.
Here on LI, Newsday instituted a subscription service for their web site. Back in 2010 (the last time I ever saw any totals for subscribers), Newsday had a grand total of 35 people who were paying for the site.
People that subscribe to the dead-tree version of the paper and Cablevision subscribers get free access. But a major metro-area newspaper having a measly 35 people pony up for their site is pretty dismal by any stretch.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:33:56am |
Good morning lizards!
Neat! Check out these advertising posters and videos...
This Is What Islamic Advertising Looks Like In Iran, Saudi Arabia And Other Muslim Countries
This image of McDonald's famous Golden Arches — the ne plus ultra of a Western brand — looks jarring in Arabic script.
But in the Middle East and parts of Asia, that's McDonald's all-American brand.
Unsurprisingly, Islamic advertising is different in Muslim countries. In ultra-conservative Saudi Arabia, women often don't appear in ads and when they do only their eyes may be showing.
In Indonesia, however, ads are more playful and female characters often bare a similar amount of flesh as they do in the Europe.
Here's a look at several campaigns from big, international brands that have specifically Muslim pitches for their brands.
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makeitstop Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:34:41am |
Just an idle observation - Facebook wingnuts may very well be the dumbest wingnuts of them all.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:35:17am |
re: #143 makeitstop
Here on LI, Newsday instituted a subscription service for their web site. Back in 2010 (the last time I ever saw any totals for subscribers), Newsday had a grand total of 35 people who were paying for the site.
People that subscribe to the dead-tree version of the paper and Cablevision subscribers get free access. But a major metro-area newspaper having a measly 35 people pony up for their site is pretty dismal by any stretch.
If nobody will subscribe to their service, they will just have to run more "Weird Trick" ads.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:35:29am |
The leadership in #Russia under former KGB agent #Putin is a hate group. #PussyRiot #Moscow— Gus (@Gus_802) August 17, 2012
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:35:51am |
Wildwood T-shirts: Rude, crude and perfectly legal
[Link: www.philly.com...]
Last month, Short went to the Wildwood City Commissioners meeting to get some answers on the deluge of dirty shirts and found sympathetic ears, including that of Mayor Ernie Troiano Jr.
But part of our "American Swag" is the freedom of speech that the First Amendment protects, and the only solution to dirty T-shirts is simple supply and demand.
The Constitution allows you to buy a shirt that says, "Your face makes my penis soft," and Troiano has little recourse except to ask store owners to keep the worst shirts inside.
"It's difficult to ask a city to control taste. . . . People's morality, people's respect and people's nature has just changed," Troiano said. "If people didn't buy it, it wouldn't be there."
That is absolutely horrible! ...which is why I'm desperately trying to find one online to buy.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:35:55am |
re: #145 makeitstop
Just an idle observation - Facebook wingnuts may very well be the dumbest wingnuts of them all.
No, the Twitter wingnuts are even dumber.
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makeitstop Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:35:58am |
re: #146 Learned Mother of Zion
If nobody will subscribe to their service, they will just have to run more "Weird Trick" ads.
'Real newspapers HATE them! ' :)
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lawhawk Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:36:28am |
re: #143 makeitstop
Newsday has apparently about 112,000 subscribers, but there's no way to tell if that's simply those dead tree subscribers who have bothered to sign up for the digital paper, or those who have only chosen the digital subscription. If it's the former, then it's nothing to write home about. If it's the latter, then there may be something to having a paywall.
And that more people are using tablets instead of pcs may be driving things even further.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:36:40am |
On the same day as Pussy Riot verdict, Moscow City Court upholds 100-year ban on gay pride parades bbc.in/NsOju4— Paul Sonne (@paulsonne) August 17, 2012
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:38:53am |
Nadya T. of Pussy Riot, led from courtroom says, "we are happy because we brought the revolution closer!" cop snipes "well done"— David M. Herszenhorn (@herszenhorn) August 17, 2012
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:41:44am |
I'm taking a mental health break day today. Anyone have any screens? I seem to have misplaced mine.
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Bulworth Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:43:57am |
re: #16 jaunte
"Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney on Thursday insisted that he had paid more than 13 percent of his income in taxes over the last 10 years, and accused the people who want to see his returns of being "small-minded."
[Link: videocafe.crooksandliars.com...]
Taxed Enough Already indeed. //
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Bulworth Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:44:55am |
re: #18 engineer cat
how long do they think they can duck the question "but doesn't your plan cut even more from medicare? how else can your plan possibly operate if you won't raise taxes and "we can't afford" medicare in its current form?"
As long as the lamestream media continues to take its cue from Faux Noise.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:47:46am |
This guy is tweeting the protests in Moscow...
Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
Girl on lamppost 20-30ft high becomes cheerleader of protest chants. Cue police trying to get her down #freepussyriot #nopicscosnointernet6m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
Accused of "organizing an unapproved gathering of citizens" MT @s_udaltsov: Оформили "организация несанкционированного скопления граждан".9m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
About 10 minutes ago, one of the protesters being arrested tried to use pepper spray on police. It looked unsuccessful #freepussyriot12m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
+79032333462, ilyamuz@gmail.com - welcome13m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
Chants of "how much does a conscience cost?" are quite popular #freepussyriot15m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
A conservative guess would be that 20% of protesters have cameras (i.e. could be journos). #freepussyriot #fb17m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
Everyone will scream, write a little and disperse. And that means they'll eat this up too. And to not eat it up - that means war." (2/2)17m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
Sobchak ponders the imminent verdict: "So, they'll now be given three - and so what? (1/2)19m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
Violent arrests continue just beyond cordon. Lots of plainclothes police recording people too #freepussyriot
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26m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
Interfax girl next to me complaining that arrests "were much more fun earlier this year" #freepussyriot28m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
Someone in pasdy wagon ripped down opaque film, put up poster in window saying - you guessed it - #freepussyriot30m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
Chants of "we will not forget, we will not forgive". They've arrested about 20 people since the sentence was announced #freepussyriot32m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
And not a word was spoken The church bells all were broken34m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
Navalny about to talk to protestors. This could be interestig39m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
This is very, very strange. It's like the world's most predictable event, and yet eerie silence outside courtroom #freepussyriot40m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
Chants of "we wont leave" #freepussyriot41m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
And here we go. 6 people just dragge kicking and screaming into riot van #freepussyriot42m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
40 OMON in the centre of a square surrounded by angry yet curiously silent protesters. Everyone's waiting for the first move43m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
Pussy Riot members sentenced to 2 years in jail each as a "caution to others". #freepussyriot44m Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
A girl no older than 16 dragged to a riot van by riot police
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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:52:27am |
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lawhawk Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:52:52am |
re: #156 Bulworth
He also claimed that his rate would be above 20% if he didn't take charitable deductions.
Now, there are good public policy reasons to allow charitable deductions - spur charitable giving to a whole host of charities - academic, health related, social, etc.
The question is whether one should be able to reduce their tax burden to such a degree via charitable giving, or whether his taxes were as low as they were due to income from capital gains (taxed at a lower rate) rather than wages/salaries. It's probably a combination of those factors, but it points to yet another issue with the AMT that is supposed to pick up high income earners and tax them at a higher rate than otherwise provided under the standard tax rate structure.
And, as I've long suggested - tax reform should be undertaken, with a top tax rate that eliminates the AMT altogether but that recovers income that would otherwise be captured by the AMT by eliminating certain deductions, credits, and exemptions for those making over $1 million. And the rate brackets should be adjusted for inflation annually.
But with the current toxic environment, no one seems willing or able to make the compromises to make those kinds of changes that are clearly needed to rationalize the tax code.
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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:54:51am |
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:57:57am |
re: #162 wrenchwench
But it might be Tweeted.
RIP Gil Scott Heron.
Just a little bit perhaps. They're kind of oddly quiet right now about the Pussyriot news. Guess they're worn out after ogling over that privileged anglo white male yesterday
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:58:17am |
Geraldo Rivera: A Lesbian Cabal Secretly Runs Homeland Security:bit.ly/Q7r8EH— JoeMyGod (@JoeMyGod) August 17, 2012
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:58:54am |
re: #160 lawhawk
He also claimed that his rate would be above 20% if he didn't take charitable deductions.
Now, there are good public policy reasons to allow charitable deductions - spur charitable giving to a whole host of charities - academic, health related, social, etc.
The question is whether one should be able to reduce their tax burden to such a degree via charitable giving, or whether his taxes were as low as they were due to income from capital gains (taxed at a lower rate) rather than wages/salaries. It's probably a combination of those factors, but it points to yet another issue with the AMT that is supposed to pick up high income earners and tax them at a higher rate than otherwise provided under the standard tax rate structure.
And, as I've long suggested - tax reform should be undertaken, with a top tax rate that eliminates the AMT altogether but that recovers income that would otherwise be captured by the AMT by eliminating certain deductions, credits, and exemptions for those making over $1 million. And the rate brackets should be adjusted for inflation annually.
But with the current toxic environment, no one seems willing or able to make the compromises to make those kinds of changes that are clearly needed to rationalize the tax code.
My tax rate is above 20% even with charitable deductions.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:00:49am |
Mitt's comment about paying "at least 13%" is just definitive proof of how totally out of touch he is with normal human people.
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makeitstop Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:02:13am |
I just watched the whiteboard video. That was mind-numbingly dumb.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:03:46am |
Today would be a good day for me to fire up Tweetdeck to filter out Ecuador and Assange. Was trying to not think about that turd today but it just keeps showing up in my feed.
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Lidane Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:03:54am |
re: #145 makeitstop
Just an idle observation - Facebook wingnuts may very well be the dumbest wingnuts of them all.
re: #149 Learned Mother of Zion
No, the Twitter wingnuts are even dumber.
The morans who post over on Yahoo! still have them all beat. Not only are they dumb wingnuts, but they've tied themselves to a dead search engine and outdated sites.
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Varek Raith Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:04:39am |
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Lidane Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:06:28am |
re: #171 Varek Raith
AOL4Ever!
Heh. One of my grad school profs still has his AOL e-mail account and occasionally uses it just to fuck with people. He's weird that way.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:08:23am |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:08:25am |
Here's something you don't see every day
[Link: news.daylife.com...]
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makeitstop Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:08:41am |
re: #173 Lidane
Heh. One of my grad school profs still has his AOL e-mail account and occasionally uses it just to fuck with people. He's weird that way.
I have some clients who still use AOL as their primary browser.
If I had a dollar for every time I explained why they weren't seeing updates on their sites, I could have retired by now.
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lawhawk Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:08:59am |
re: #165 Learned Mother of Zion
As is mine. That's why I think so much of his income is due to capital gains, which are taxed at a lower rate than wages.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:09:20am |
Nice goggles
[Link: news.daylife.com...]
Safety first! (NSFW)
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:09:49am |
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GunstarGreen Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:10:53am |
re: #63 JamesWI
LOL......Presented With Letters, Ryan Admits Requesting Stimulus Cash
"I didn't ask for any stimulus money! I didn't ask for any stimulus money! I didn't ask for any stimulus money!......Oh crap, you have the letters??? Well then, I guess my requests for stimulus money WERE treated as requests for stimulus money....."
In a just world, every single time Ryan opened his mouth regarding the stimulus a copy of those letters would be shown to the audience and he would be asked by whatever news crew was on site, "Are you a liar, or are you incompetent? Which is it?"
But this is modern America, so he'll just keep getting blowjobs by the media to make this seem like a close race.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:12:44am |
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:14:27am |
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Decatur Deb Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:14:47am |
re: #175 Killgore Trout
Here's something you don't see every day
[Link: news.daylife.com...]
OSHAski does not approve.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:15:38am |
The MittFail goes on and on.
Romney feels Americans' pain because he's "also unemployed." Romney was worth $250 million in 2008. thinkprogress.org/romney-facts/#...— Zane Maxs (@ZaneMaxs) August 17, 2012
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:15:44am |
INTERPOL Red Notice for Julian Assange remains in force
LYON, France – INTERPOL confirms that its Red Notice, or international wanted persons alert, issued for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange at Sweden’s request in November 2010 remains valid.
Confirmation that Mr Assange’s Red Notice status remains in force follows Thursday’s decision by authorities in Ecuador to grant asylum to Mr Assange, two months after he took refuge in its London embassy while fighting extradition from the UK to Sweden where authorities want to question him in connection with alleged sexual offences.
A Red Notice status is a request for any country to identify or locate an individual with a view to their provisional arrest and extradition in accordance with the country’s national laws.
Many of INTERPOL's member countries consider a Red Notice a valid request for provisional arrest, especially if they are linked to the requesting country via a bilateral extradition treaty. In cases where arrests are made based on a Red Notice, these are made by national police officials in INTERPOL member countries.
INTERPOL cannot compel any of its 190 member countries to arrest the subject of a Red Notice. Any individual wanted for arrest should be considered innocent until proven guilty.
[Link: www.interpol.int...]
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Lidane Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:15:49am |
re: #176 makeitstop
I have some clients who still use AOL as their primary browser.
If I had a dollar for every time I explained why they weren't seeing updates on their sites, I could have retired by now.
AOL still makes a web browser? Wow.
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makeitstop Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:17:16am |
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:19:29am |
re: #185 Learned Mother of Zion
The MittFail goes on and on.
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Yeah that one's pretty bad. He's willingly been unemployed because he's been running for president non-stop. Not to mention his aforementioned net worth.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:19:59am |
re: #178 Killgore Trout
Nice goggles
[Link: news.daylife.com...]
Safety first!
Nice! It's Wendy O Williams all over again!
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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:20:39am |
re: #185 Learned Mother of Zion
The MittFail goes on and on.
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He can feel my pain if he'll let me feel his pain.
/gross
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Lidane Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:21:11am |
re: #189 makeitstop
Yeah. It's basically MSIE with AOL branding.
In other words, it sucks. Haha. OTOH, nostalgia is a powerful thing:
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:22:56am |
re: #186 Gus
INTERPOL Red Notice for Julian Assange remains in force
[Link: www.interpol.int...]
Destro is weeping.
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Lidane Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:23:48am |
re: #185 Learned Mother of Zion
The MittFail goes on and on.
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Dear Mitt,
I'd gladly be unemployed if I was worth $250 million. Asshole.
Please do us all a favor and STFU. Take the rest of the election off and go to The Hamptons or Dubai or something.
No love,
Me
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:24:08am |
re: #193 Lidane
In other words, it sucks. Haha. OTOH, nostalgia is a powerful thing:
That's pretty cool. In a related retro 90's move, Teen Nick has been playing 1990's Nick late night. Cool thing for a 90's kid like myself.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:25:06am |
Here's an interesting theory...
The Gunboat Diplomacy Trap: How Ecuador Used Assange to School the Brits
... here’s an early 20th-century episode Her Majesty’s Diplomatic Service apparently forgot: the Venezuela Crisis of 1902, when British and other European warships blockaded and bombarded the South American country’s ports to force it to pay foreign debts. It was a classic instance of “gunboat diplomacy,” and it’s the sort of thing that Latin Americans, given the centuries of often ugly foreign intervention they’ve experienced, certainly tend to remember.
Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa remembers it so well, in fact, that he sucked Britain into a diplomatic blunder. For weeks, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, who’s wanted in Sweden to answer charges of sexual assault, has been holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London to avoid extradition – not just to Sweden but possibly also to the U.S., where he could face trial for espionage. The leftist Correa professes to admire Assange for releasing thousands of classified U.S. diplomatic cables (one of which gave Correa a pretext for booting a U.S. ambassador out of Ecuador last year). When Correa moved closer to granting Assange political asylum this week, frustrated U.K. authorities reminded Ecuador, in writing, of a British law that revokes an embassy’s diplomatic immunity if it’s judged to be harboring a fugitive.
But that simply opened the door to accusations from Ecuador that the Brits were threatening to storm the embassy – shades of 1902! – if it didn’t hand Assange over. It also gave Correa, who’s been accused of offering Assange sanctuary as a way to deflect attention from his petulant crackdowns on freedom of expression back in Ecuador, enough of a diplomatic upper hand to go ahead and give the WikiLeaks leader political asylum on Thursday. “No one is going to terrify us!” Correa tweeted. He succeeded in evoking the ghosts of gunboat diplomacy – and in turning the subject from an extradition case, if not Ecuador’s possible flouting of international law, into a heroic standoff between a defiant underdog and an imperialista power.
It's worth reading the whole thing.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:26:27am |
re: #195 Lidane
Dear Mitt,
I'd gladly be unemployed if I was worth $250 million. Asshole.
Please do us all a favor and STFU. Take the rest of the election off and go to The Hamptons or Dubai or something.
No love,
Me
When somebody has that much money, and they own six of everything, there's nothing they can buy with all their money anymore. They can't buy some European country like Lichtenstein with a castle where they can be a king and stuff. So they want to be POTUS.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:28:29am |
re: #197 Killgore Trout
Here's an interesting theory...
The Gunboat Diplomacy Trap: How Ecuador Used Assange to School the BritsIt's worth reading the whole thing.
There's no doubt in my mind that Rafael Correa just used this stunt for his own political advantage. And a reminder for people, they should read the report from HRW on Ecuador: World Report 2012: Ecuador.
Excerpts:
• In a referendum held in May 2011, President Rafael Correa obtained a popular mandate for constitutional reforms that could significantly increase government powers to constrain media and influence the appointment and dismissal of judges.
Those involved in protests in which there are outbreaks of violence may be prosecuted on inflated and inappropriate terrorism charges. Criminal defamation laws that restrict freedom of expression remain in force and Correa has used them repeatedly against his critics. Some articles of a draft communications law in the legislature since 2009 could open the door to media censorship.
• President Correa frequently rebukes journalists and media that criticize him and has personally taken journalists to court for allegedly defaming him. In July 2011 a judge in Guayas province sentenced Emilio Palacio, who headed the opinion section of the Guayaquil newspaper El Universo, and three members of the newspaper’s board of directors, to three years in prison and ordered them to pay US$40 million in damages to the president for an article the judge considered defamatory. In an opinion piece Palacios had referred to Correa as a “dictator” and accused him of ordering his forces to fire on a hospital, which was “full of civilians and innocent people,” during the September 2010 police revolt.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:28:51am |
OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!
Obama mispronounces 'Nas' bit.ly/NuAxeQ— Wash. Free Beacon (@FreeBeacon) August 17, 2012
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:30:10am |
I think the "I'm unemployed too" was a rare and shitty at that attempt by Mitt to try to resonate with the average American. When your average American is unemployed, he doesn't have steady income coming in, when you're Mitt and already worth 250 million, you don't have to worry about that. Plus Mitt's been running for president non stop since he stepped down from being Massachusetts' governor. And he had even before he formally announced he was running for president getting large fees to give speeches at universities, corporate events, etc.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:30:54am |
Iran: Israel's Existence 'Insult to All Humanity'
Israel's existence is an "insult to all humanity," Iran's president said Friday in one of his sharpest attacks yet against the Jewish state, as Israel openly debates whether to attack Iran over its nuclear program.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said confronting Israel is an effort to "protect the dignity of all human beings."
"The existence of the Zionist regime is an insult to all humanity," Ahmadinejad said. He was addressing worshippers at Tehran University after nationwide pro-Palestinian rallies, an annual event marking Quds (Jerusalem) Day on the last Friday of the holy month of Ramadan.
Hey Dinnerjacket, fuck you and the camel you rode on.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:31:54am |
re: #203 NJDhockeyfan
Iran: Israel's Existence 'Insult to All Humanity'
Hey Dinnerjacket, fuck you and the camel you rode on.
I thought the insult to humanity would be this guy having any kind of power not the Jewish people having the right to sovereignty.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:32:19am |
Here's the full excerpt for "Freedom of Expression" in Ecuador from HRW:
Freedom of Expression
Ecuador’s Criminal Code still has provisions criminalizing desacato (“lack of respect”), under which anyone who offends a government official may receive a prison sentence up to three months and up to two years for offending the president. In September 2011 the Constitutional Court agreed to consider a challenge to the constitutionality of these provisions submitted by Fundamedios, an Ecuadorian press freedom advocacy group. A new criminal code presented by the government to the National Assembly in October does not include the crime of desacato, but if approved would still mandate prison sentences of up to three years for those who defame public authorities.
Under the existing code, journalists face prison sentences and crippling damages for this offense. According to Fundamedios, by October 2011 five journalists had been sentenced to prison terms for defamation since 2008, and 18 journalists, media directors, and owners of media outlets faced similar charges.
President Correa frequently rebukes journalists and media that criticize him and has personally taken journalists to court for allegedly defaming him. In July 2011 a judge in Guayas province sentenced Emilio Palacio, who headed the opinion section of the Guayaquil newspaper El Universo, and three members of the newspaper’s board of directors, to three years in prison and ordered them to pay US$40 million in damages to the president for an article the judge considered defamatory. In an opinion piece Palacios had referred to Correa as a “dictator” and accused him of ordering his forces to fire on a hospital, which was “full of civilians and innocent people,” during the September 2010 police revolt.
In September 2011 a three-person appeals court confirmed the prison sentence and the fine by majority vote. Correa said in a press conference that he would consider a pardon if the newspaper confessed that it had lied, apologized to the Ecuadorian people, and promised to be more “serious, professional and ethical” in the future.
In order to rebut media criticism the government has also used a provision of the broadcasting legislation that obliges private broadcasters to interrupt scheduled programs to transmit government messages known as cadenas. According to an independent media observation group, between January 2007 and May 2011, there were 1,025 cadenas totaling 151 hours of broadcasting time, many of which included attacks on government critics.
Legislation to regulate broadcasting and print media has been under congressional debate since 2009. In the May 2011 referendum voters supported, by a small majority, a proposal to create an official council to regulate the content of television, radio, and print media. Proposals by six ruling party legislators under discussion in the National Assembly in July 2011 would grant broad powers to this council, allowing it to punish media that disseminate “information of public relevance that harms human rights, reputation, people’s good name, and the public security of the state,” terms so vague that they could easily lead to sanctions against critical outlets.
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labman57 Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:33:10am |
Romney has been trying to distance himself from his running mate's Medicare plan, yet Mitt also said that his own Medicare plan is "the same, if not identical" (huh?) to Ryan's plan .... which includes these same budget reductions.
In other words, the plans are identical ... except where they're different.
And Mitt will gladly explain the specifics of HIS plan ... just as soon as his corporate and ultra-wealthy overlords finish determining them.
Frankly, I think Romney is being deceitful, if not disingenuous or dishonest. Of course, he could simply be lying.
Team Romney's spin doctors will be working overtime trying to rewrite his muddled message regarding Medicare policies, taxation proposals, and his federal budget plan(s).
Alas, addressing all of the gaffs, blatant lies, distortions, and conflicting comments emanating from Mitt and Paul is akin to playing a game of "Whack-a-mole".
Regarding the use of a whiteboard as a visual prop, Glenn Beck called -- he wants his shtick back.
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Kronocide Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:33:10am |
New OPSEC Swift Boat alleging Obama is leaking secrets and endangering the lives of service members for the sake of politics.
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Interesting Times Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:35:42am |
re: #207 Kronocide
ATT SWIFT BOATERS: The facts seem to allude you. PBO was successful on the bin Laden raid, unlike Bush/Cheney.PERIOD. twitter.com/Korkie/status/...— Korkie (@Korkie) August 17, 2012
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:36:13am |
re: #207 Kronocide
New OPSEC Swift Boat alleging Obama is leaking secrets and endangering the lives of service members for the sake of politics.
I heard about that. Only convinces me that Obama could have personally led the attack on the Abbotabad compound and they'd then accuse him of showing off. Can't we give him some credit on getting the guy who was the world's most wanted man for all of his predecessor's presidency and a fair chunk of Clinton's presidency too. It must really hurt the wingnuts that Obama busted their Democrats are weak and don't care about national security meme that they've been trying to use politically for years but at the end of the day, Bin Laden's remains are still at the bottom of the Arabian Sea.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:38:00am |
re: #208 Interesting Times
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Pfft he's just an Obama lackey.// Those are strong words from Admiral McRaven. One that Obama's team should point out any time Mitt or anyone else wants to try to make him out to be weak on defense issues.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:38:31am |
Wendy O Williams sawing a guitar in half with a chainsaw...
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:39:30am |
re: #212 NJDhockeyfan
Wendy O Williams sawing a guitar in half with a chainsaw...
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She could go to work for United Airlines.
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Kronocide Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:43:57am |
STOP the politicians, President Obama and others, from politically capitalizing on US national security operations and secrets!
I'm wondering where the goods are on this allegation.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:46:10am |
Bradley Manning supporters attack mostly female Obama campaign workers.
60 Pro-Bradley Manning Protestors Disrupt Obama's Oakland Headquarters
Video posted to YouTube showed protesters lingering at the entrance to the office, while a member of the advocacy group Iraq Veterans Against the War presented a letter to campaign volunteers about Manning, demanding they fax it to the White House.
Within minutes, a scuffle broke out between the volunteers and protesters, though it was unclear how it started.
A protester who filmed the scuffle, two-time Iraq war veteran Scott Olsen, says he saw pushing, shoving, and even chairs being wielded, some of which can be seen on the video. Olsen was one of the most well-known faces of the Occupy movement last year after he was seriously injured by what was believed to have been a police projectile during a protest in Oakland.
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GunstarGreen Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:46:32am |
re: #202 HappyWarrior
I think the "I'm unemployed too" was a rare and shitty at that attempt by Mitt to try to resonate with the average American. When your average American is unemployed, he doesn't have steady income coming in, when you're Mitt and already worth 250 million, you don't have to worry about that. Plus Mitt's been running for president non stop since he stepped down from being Massachusetts' governor. And he had even before he formally announced he was running for president getting large fees to give speeches at universities, corporate events, etc.
Pretty much. Being 'unemployed' with a net worth of $250M is not even on the same planet as being an average American and unemployed. If your money is making 1% a year (very very conservative investments and interest from savings and such), you're still pulling down $2.5 MILLION a year, which is still so far beyond the average American income as to be a fantasy world. Median household income for 2011 was something around $50,000, meaning that such an income could literally fund FIFTY typical families, give or take.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:46:55am |
Off to GOTV in Florida--ACORN Forever!!1!!
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Interesting Times Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:47:47am |
If you love your tax returns, release them. If they check out, it was meant to be. If not, it never was. -- Shakespeare— pourmecoffee (@pourmecoffee) August 17, 2012
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:48:58am |
re: #215 Killgore Trout
Bradley Manning supporters attack mostly female Obama campaign workers.
60 Pro-Bradley Manning Protestors Disrupt Obama's Oakland Headquarters[Embedded content]
The action starts at about 1:30
Moonbats.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:49:07am |
Hezbollah: We Can Transform Israeli Lives to Hell
The leader of the Lebanese Shiite militant Hezbollah says his group will transform the lives of millions of Israelis to "hell" if Israel attacks Lebanon.
Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah says the group has a list of Israeli targets that it can hit with few rockets.
"We can transform the lives of millions of Zionists in occupied Palestine to a real hell," he said.
The threat came as Israel debated whether to attack Iranian nuclear facilities. That could trigger retaliation from Iran's allies, like Hezbollah.
Nasrallah said Iran's response to any Israeli attack would be "lightning" and huge.
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Eventual Carrion Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:49:11am |
re: #212 NJDhockeyfan
Wendy O Williams sawing a guitar in half with a chainsaw...
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Saw them at the Univ. of Houston quite a few years back. They put on a "different" show.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:50:29am |
re: #220 NJDhockeyfan
Despite Alarm by U.S., Europe Lets Hezbollah Operate Openly
BERLIN — As American officials sound the alarm over what they call a resurgent threat from the Shiite militant group Hezbollah, thousands of its members and supporters operate with few restrictions in Europe, raising money that is funneled to the group’s leadership in Lebanon.
Washington and Jerusalem insist that Hezbollah is an Iranian-backed terrorist organization with bloody hands, and that it is working closely with Tehran to train, arm and finance the Syrian military’s lethal repression of the uprising there. Yet, the European Union continues to treat it foremost as a Lebanese political and social movement.
As Israel heightens fears of a pre-emptive strike on Iran’s nuclear sites, intelligence analysts warn that Iran and Hezbollah would respond with attacks of their own on targets abroad. Israeli and American officials have attributed the Bulgarian bus bombing last month that killed six people, including five Israeli tourists, to Hezbollah and Iran, saying it was part of a clandestine offensive that has included plots in Thailand, India, Cyprus and elsewhere...
That's the NY Times BTW.
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Mattand Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:50:58am |
re: #209 HappyWarrior
I heard about that. Only convinces me that Obama could have personally led the attack on the Abbotabad compound and they'd then accuse him of showing off. Can't we give him some credit on getting the guy who was the world's most wanted man for all of his predecessor's presidency and a fair chunk of Clinton's presidency too. It must really hurt the wingnuts that Obama busted their Democrats are weak and don't care about national security meme that they've been trying to use politically for years but at the end of the day, Bin Laden's remains are still at the bottom of the Arabian Sea.
I just heard about this the other day. I haven't watched it, but it seems like the bastard love child of the Tea Baggers and the Swift Boaters. A FB acquaintance posted this the other day as something all of the national networks should run. I should point out that this is a guy who firmly believes that Obama hates people who make money.
I guess I should watch it, but it seems to have Swift Boat written all over it. The only non-Tea Bag site I found in Google was a NYT article that was, for the most part, imbued with essence of MBF. It did indicate that a speech where Obama gives credit to the military was selectively edited.
I guess I'm concern trolling, but when I see highly trained military men ranting about stuff like this, I really worry about the President's safety. I'm paraphrasing Bill Maher, but the level of hatred directed at Obama is unprecedented.
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Kronocide Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:51:32am |
Paid for by Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund, Inc
Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund, Inc. is a 501(c)(4) social welfare organization.
Contributions are not tax deductible.
©Copyright 2012, Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund, Inc.
They don't have to show their funding sources, so essentially they're a PAC to dish dirt on Obama using alleged military.
Pretty scandalous.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:51:49am |
re: #219 Gus
Moonbats.
Not very peaceful moonbats either.
Occupy L.A. protester accused of biting security guard's ear
A protester associated with Occupy L.A. was arrested after he seriously injured a security guard by biting his ear during a fight in downtown's Pershing Square, police said.
Los Angeles police sources said the incident began when Jose Navarro, 20, approached a private security guard Tuesday and began yelling at him. At one point, Navarro allegedly spat on the guard and punched him, sparking a scuffle that drew additional security to the area.
As the guards tried to take Navarro into custody, he allegedly bit the ear of the first security guard, clamping down until he was pulled off, sources said. Navarro was able to break free from the group and, with the help of others, run away.
The guard suffered a two-inch gash to his ear that required a half-dozen stitches to close, sources said.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:52:46am |
re: #221 RayFerd
Saw them at the Univ. of Houston quite a few years back. They put on a "different" show.
I never got to see her other than on TV. She was on Tom Snyder one night and cut a VW Bug in half while singing a song. Pretty funny shit.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:52:57am |
Why is Manning a hero? Man sometimes the far left chooses some pretty shitty people to lionize. And attacking the Obama campaign workers? Sheesh.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:55:01am |
re: #225 Killgore Trout
Not very peaceful moonbats either.
Occupy L.A. protester accused of biting security guard's ear
Heh. It was just one!
//
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:55:26am |
re: #227 HappyWarrior
Why is Manning a hero? Man sometimes the far left chooses some pretty shitty people to lionize. And attacking the Obama campaign workers? Sheesh.
A lot of these reactionaries hate Obama for a number of reasons such as kill lists; drones!; marijuana laws; Gitmo; etc, etc. They see the Obama White House as having a hand in "TORTURING BRADLEY MANNING!!11ty"
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:56:01am |
re: #223 Mattand
I just heard about this the other day. I haven't watched it, but it seems like the bastard love child of the Tea Baggers and the Swift Boaters. A FB acquaintance posted this the other day as something all of the national networks should run. I should point out that this is a guy who firmly believes that Obama hates people who make money.
I guess I should watch it, but it seems to have Swift Boat written all over it. The only non-Tea Bag site I found in Google was a NYT article that was, for the most part, imbued with essence of MBF. It did indicate that a speech where Obama gives credit to the military was selectively edited.
I guess I'm concern trolling, but when I see highly trained military men ranting about stuff like this, I really worry about the President's safety. I'm paraphrasing Bill Maher, but the level of hatred directed at Obama is unprecedented.
The culture of Obama hatred is something that disturbs me. I've never seen any president so hated. Sure, I remember Clinton and Bush being despised by their critics but I've never seen anything that approaches the level of hatred that is directed towards Obama. Now maybe some of that has to do with social media being at its highest and advanced in his presidency but I'm talking about political critics too.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:58:25am |
re: #229 Gus
A lot of these reactionaries hate Obama for a number of reasons such as kill lists; drones!; marijuana laws; Gitmo; etc, etc. They see the Obama White House as having a hand in "TORTURING BRADLEY MANNING!!11ty"
I think they prove the circular spectrum theory of politics correct because they are just as shrill and unwilling to consider ideas that aren't theirs much like the president's right wing critics.
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lawhawk Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:59:22am |
re: #204 HappyWarrior
Iran wont have Ahmadinejad to kick around for much longer. His term in office is almost up, and we'll have another mullah-approved president to deal with soon enough (2013 when his second term ends). That means we'll have to see who the Guardian Council approves for the election for the post.
The Guardian Council (the mullahs) have to approve candidates, and the Supreme Leader still has more power than the president. We've seen power plays between the Supreme Leader, the Council, and the President over the past couple of years, but each time the Supreme Leader has ultimately won out.
Anti-Israel rhetoric is part and parcel of Iranian politics. So much easier than trying to solve Iranian economic woes that are largely self-inflicted, but exacerbated by sanctions imposed over Iran's nuclear program.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:00:50am |
Just a reminder too. Some Current TV searches...
"Alex Jones" site:current.com
Infowars site:current.com
prison planet site:current.com
Current TV, or Current, is a progressive[1] media company led by former U.S. Vice President Al Gore and businessman Joel Hyatt. Comcast owns a ten percent stake of Current's parent company, Current TV, LLC.
(Cough)
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Lidane Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:01:17am |
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:01:48am |
re: #232 lawhawk
Iran wont have Ahmadinejad to kick around for much longer. His term in office is almost up, and we'll have another mullah-approved president to deal with soon enough (2013 when his second term ends). That means we'll have to see who the Guardian Council approves for the election for the post.
The Guardian Council (the mullahs) have to approve candidates, and the Supreme Leader still has more power than the president. We've seen power plays between the Supreme Leader, the Council, and the President over the past couple of years, but each time the Supreme Leader has ultimately won out.
Anti-Israel rhetoric is part and parcel of Iranian politics. So much easier than trying to solve Iranian economic woes that are largely self-inflicted, but exacerbated by sanctions imposed over Iran's nuclear program.
Yeah, I'm aware that the Supreme Leader is the real power to be in Iran but Khameni engages in much of the same saber-rattling. And you're right about them using Anti-Israeli rhetoric as a means of distracting the populace from their own problems but that's what happens when you elect someone who once said "economics was for donkeys" pretty much. The mullahs could ironically end up victim to the same thing that brought them to power in the first place.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:02:38am |
Protesters take over Obama Campaign Headquarters
About a dozen protesters including war veterans Scott Olsen and Joshua Shepherd took over the Obama campaign headquarters in downtown Oakland to demand justice for Bradley Manning, the Army private accused of leaking state secrets to WikiLeaks.
Three women and four men, including war veterans Scott Olsen, center right, and Joshua Shepherd, second from right, occupy the Obama campaign headquarters in downtown Oakland, Calif. on Thursday, Aug. 16, 2012. Protestors rallied around the headquarters to demand justice for Bradley Manning, the Army private accused of leaking state secrets to WikiLeaks.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:03:11am |
re: #231 HappyWarrior
I think they prove the circular spectrum theory of politics correct because they are just as shrill and unwilling to consider ideas that aren't theirs much like the president's right wing critics.
There are many on the far left that see climate change much the same as those on the far right. In fact some of them were making the rounds at some OWS protests. I was told this directly.
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lawhawk Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:03:42am |
re: #235 HappyWarrior
The mullahs are a bit more saavy - they'll allow the president to be the fall guy for their own inaction/inability to deal with the economy. The Supreme Leader gets a pass, even though he's the real center of power.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:03:45am |
Pamz outrageous outrage of the day
City of San Francisco to place sharia-compliant disclaimers next to every AFDI pro-Israel bus ad: Scott Goldstei... bit.ly/OFejXE— Pamela Geller (@Atlasshrugs) August 17, 2012
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Kronocide Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:05:56am |
re: #230 HappyWarrior
The culture of Obama hatred is something that disturbs me. I've never seen any president so hated. Sure, I remember Clinton and Bush being despised by their critics but I've never seen anything that approaches the level of hatred that is directed towards Obama. Now maybe some of that has to do with social media being at its highest and advanced in his presidency but I'm talking about political critics too.
Social media/internet is contributing, plus He's Black.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:06:28am |
re: #238 lawhawk
The mullahs are a bit more saavy - they'll allow the president to be the fall guy for their own inaction/inability to deal with the economy. The Supreme Leader gets a pass, even though he's the real center of power.
I don't know Iranian history that well but I want to say they've only had two since the Islamic Republic's inception. First one was Khomeini and the second is the current one. To me, what's going to be interesting is what happens when Khameni dies or has someone threaten his power.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:07:46am |
re: #237 Gus
There are many on the far left that see climate change much the same as those on the far right. In fact some of them were making the rounds at some OWS protests. I was told this directly.
Damn, I didn't think climate change denial would be prevalent in far left circles. There is a lot of intersection though when it comes to paranoia about the government which is ironic coming from both far left and right because if either ever got into power, they'd establish a much bigger government than Obama has.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:08:03am |
Plus how they get all glassy eyed over Ron Paul. They're always giving him a pass.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:09:00am |
re: #243 HappyWarrior
Damn, I didn't think climate change denial would be prevalent in far left circles. There is a lot of intersection though when it comes to paranoia about the government which is ironic coming from both far left and right because if either ever got into power, they'd establish a much bigger government than Obama has.
Alexander Cockburn was one of them.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:09:09am |
Yeah they do give Ron Paul a pass. "He's anti war, for legalizing drugs(which actually isn't true), etc." Kucinich I know once said he would seriously consider Paul for a running mate.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:09:37am |
re: #245 Gus
Alexander Cockburn was one of them.
Ah I didn't read much of him. Knew who he was but didn't know too much about his ideology.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:10:20am |
re: #247 HappyWarrior
Ah I didn't read much of him. Knew who he was but didn't know too much about his ideology.
From Wiki:
In contrast, Cockburn's position on global warming is consistent with views usually held by the right. He believes the phenomenon has not been proven to be caused by humans,[14] citing the statements of Martin Hertzberg that rising CO2 levels are a symptom, not a cause, of global warming, which Hertzberg asserts is the result of natural, predictable changes in the Earth's elliptic orbit.[15] In fact, Hertzberg is a semi-retired explosives expert who does not claim to be a climatologist.[16] Cockburn is also critical of the "greenhouse" explanation for warming by positing that it is incongruous with the laws of physics, specifically the second law of thermodynamics.[17] He cites the research of Gerhard Gerlich and Ralf Tscheuschner's Falsification of the Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within the Frame of Physics.[18]
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:11:04am |
re: #246 HappyWarrior
Yeah they do give Ron Paul a pass. "He's anti war, for legalizing drugs(which actually isn't true), etc." Kucinich I know once said he would seriously consider Paul for a running mate.
Israel.
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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:11:31am |
re: #239 Learned Mother of Zion
Pamz outrageous outrage of the day
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As grammatical as ever:
The rush to assure the world that the "Palestinian" jihadists that they are not savages amazes me.
And this seems to be self-contradictory, or unclear on the concept of 'silence':
And for the Jews who are silent in the face of Islamic Jew-hatred to issue a kneejerk denunciation of me, you have six million (and counting) voiceless to whom you will have to answer.
Not to mention rabid throughout.
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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:12:12am |
re: #239 Learned Mother of Zion
Pamz outrageous outrage of the day
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Plus it's a business model:
I want to extend this ad's run in San Francisco. Please help me do this. Contribute here.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:12:37am |
re: #252 wrenchwench
As grammatical as ever:
And this seems to be self-contradictory, or unclear on the concept of 'silence':
Not to mention rabid throughout.
Is she ever not rabid throughout one of her rants? Seriously, she's blaming Muslims for the Holocaust?
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erik_t Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:12:45am |
re: #248 Gus
statements of Martin Hertzberg that rising CO2 levels are a symptom, not a cause, of global warming, which Hertzberg asserts is the result of natural, predictable changes in the Earth's elliptic orbit.
Fucking orbital dynamics, how does it work?
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:14:02am |
re: #249 Gus
Israel.
Foreign policy as a whole, yeah. It's akin to the symmetry that the old far left had in the years leading up to WWII and old far right had where they accused FDR of being a warmongrel for thinking that the Nazis were a threat.
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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:14:05am |
re: #254 HappyWarrior
Is she ever not rabid throughout one of her rants? Seriously, she's blaming Muslims for the Holocaust?
I think she's blaming Jews who don't hate Muslims. Don't try too hard to make sense of it.
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Mattand Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:15:22am |
re: #230 HappyWarrior
The culture of Obama hatred is something that disturbs me. I've never seen any president so hated. Sure, I remember Clinton and Bush being despised by their critics but I've never seen anything that approaches the level of hatred that is directed towards Obama. Now maybe some of that has to do with social media being at its highest and advanced in his presidency but I'm talking about political critics too.
The whole "Presidenting while black" pisses them off, too.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:16:27am |
re: #258 wrenchwench
I think she's blaming Jews who don't hate Muslims. Don't try too hard to make sense of it.
Yeah true. One will only hurt one's head trying to make sense of her crap.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:16:28am |
Boom!
Assange is a despicable traitor and anybody who says otherwise clearly spits on our troops, wants the terrorists (cont) tl.gd/it3ktr— Willard Foxton (@WillardFoxton) August 17, 2012
Professional Storyteller & Media Condottiere. Producer for @prospect_tv, Writer for @kernelmag, Publicist for @marketinvoice. Feminist, Multiculturalist, Tory.
Higbee's of Belgravia, London · [Link: www.huffingtonpost.co.uk...]
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:21:48am |
Derp.
Ecuador Grants Julian Assange Asylum; U.S. Seen as "Hidden Hand" Behind U.K. Threat to Raid Embassy bit.ly/NJsXJK @democracynow— Michael Neiman (@MoomjyN) August 17, 2012
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:22:32am |
Ecuador Grants Julian Assange Asylum; U.S. Seen as "Hidden Hand" Behind U.K. Threat to Raid Embassy
As Ecuador prepared to announce its decision on granting asylum to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, Britain threatened to raid the Ecuadorean embassy in London where Assange has taken refuge for the past two months. Britain told Ecuador that giving Julian Assange asylum would not change a thing and that it might still revoke the diplomatic status of Quito’s embassy in London to allow the extradition of the WikiLeaks founder to Sweden to face questioning over alleged sexual misconduct. We’re joined by Michael Ratner, an attorney for Julian Assange and president emeritus of the Center for Constitutional Rights, and by Ben Griffin, an activist with Veterans for Peace UK, participating in a vigil in support of Assange outside the Ecuadorean embassy in London. "Is this really about the U.S. being the 'hidden hand' behind what the British are doing so that they can eventually get a hold of Julian Assange, try him for espionage and put him into a jail?" Ratner asks. "That’s what’s really going on here. Let’s not kid ourselves."
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:24:49am |
re: #261 Gus
Boom!
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I find the whole Assange thing ironic. Not so long ago (10-15 years maybe) he would have been thrown in a bag and shipped off to wherever or he'd have a "mysterious" accident. They are trying to move him through the system somewhat openly but it's legally questionable and generates a lot of publicity. Kind of like Gitmo was a failed experiment in openness and transparency, dealing with Assange may end up the same way. He might have an unfortunate "accident" before this is all over.
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GunstarGreen Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:25:24am |
re: #239 Learned Mother of Zion
Pamz outrageous outrage of the day
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Much as I disagree with Geller and her message (and certainly her ridiculous raving about Shariah and jews that don't hate muslims enough), there may be some merit to her core point, sans vitriol: She's saying that the MUNI is putting up a side-by-side message that it doesn't support the content of her ads, and has not done so in the past for anti-Israeli ads. A cursory look at Palestine-Israel topic ads run on SF public transport (granted that I have no way to confirm whether those busses are in fact SF busses) shows a few ads speaking of "Israeli war crimes" with no similar disclaimer.
That doesn't make the disclaimer "shariah-compliant" or whatever her lunacy is spitting out currently, but it does seem to indicate a different standard of support being applied.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:27:59am |
re: #264 Killgore Trout
I find the whole Assange thing ironic. Not so long ago (10-15 years maybe) he would have been thrown in a bag and shipped off to wherever or he'd have a "mysterious" accident. They are trying to move him through the system somewhat openly but it's legally questionable and generates a lot of publicity. Kind of like Gitmo was a failed experiment in openness and transparency, dealing with Assange may end up the same way. He might have an unfortunate "accident" before this is all over.
Maybe but I doubt it. Mysterious accidents, torture, imprisonment "by the Obama administration!!" are all part of their Alex Jones like conspiracy theories.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:28:22am |
House members' VIP loans kept out of subpoena
(CBS/AP) NEW YORK - A Democratic committee chairman overrode his own subpoena three years ago in an investigation of former subprime mortgage lender Countrywide Financial Corp. to exclude records showing that he, other House members and congressional aides got VIP discounted loans from the company, documents show.
The procedure to keep the names secret was devised by Rep. Edolphus Towns, D-N.Y. In 2003, the 15-term congressman had two loans processed by Countrywide's VIP section, which was established to give discounts to favored borrowers.
The effort at secrecy was reversed when Towns' Republican successor as chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, California Rep. Darrell Issa, issued a second subpoena. It yielded Countrywide records identifying four current House members, a former member and five staff aides whose loans went through the VIP unit. Towns was on the list.
Issa, in a statement to The Associated Press on Wednesday, said, "It was a long fight to expose how Countrywide used its VIP program to advance its business and policy goals."
Is it any wonder why Congress has the lowest approval ratings in history?
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:28:38am |
re: #265 GunstarGreen
Much as I disagree with Geller and her message (and certainly her ridiculous raving about Shariah and jews that don't hate muslims enough), there may be some merit to her core point, sans vitriol: She's saying that the MUNI is putting up a side-by-side message that it doesn't support the content of her ads, and has not done so in the past for anti-Israeli ads. A cursory look at Palestine-Israel topic ads run on SF public transport (granted that I have no way to confirm whether those busses are in fact SF busses) shows a few ads speaking of "Israeli war crimes" with no similar disclaimer.
That doesn't make the disclaimer "shariah-compliant" or whatever her lunacy is spitting out currently, but it does seem to indicate a different standard of support being applied.
This could be a new policy of SF MUNI going forward.
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erik_t Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:28:52am |
Romney and Ryan had planned to go their separate ways before meeting up at the end of the month at the Republican National Convention in Tampa. But then campaign strategists saw how much of a psychic boost Romney got from Ryan — and how much more animated Romney appeared on television with his younger running mate at his side.
“They really like each other and they feed off of each other,” campaign manager Matt Rhoades said. “There’s an energy, there’s a chemistry.”
Advisers say Ryan helps ease the former governor’s feeling of isolation.
This campaign is bad and Romney should feel bad.
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GunstarGreen Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:30:19am |
re: #268 Learned Mother of Zion
This could be a new policy of SF MUNI going forward.
It could very well be. I'd think they would want to make some sort of announcement to that effect, though.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:32:31am |
re: #271 GunstarGreen
It could very well be. I'd think they would want to make some sort of announcement to that effect, though.
They could simply tell advertisers that they reserve the right to refuse an ad, or to post a disclaimer, at their discretion. It is not a "free speech" issue, this is speech that is being paid for.
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makeitstop Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:34:46am |
re: #270 erik_t
This campaign is bad and Romney should feel bad.
Wow. 'Feelings of isolation?'
Romney, in addition to everything else we know, sounds like a pretty fucked up dude. He feels isolated unless he's got another millionaire to hang with?
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:35:47am |
The jobless rate climbed in 44 U.S. states in July, with Alabama and Alaska registering the biggest gains | bloom.bg/SweS2F— Bloomberg News (@BloombergNews) August 17, 2012
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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:37:11am |
re: #264 Killgore Trout
I find the whole Assange thing ironic. Not so long ago (10-15 years maybe) he would have been thrown in a bag and shipped off to wherever or he'd have a "mysterious" accident. They are trying to move him through the system somewhat openly but it's legally questionable and generates a lot of publicity. Kind of like Gitmo was a failed experiment in openness and transparency, dealing with Assange may end up the same way. He might have an unfortunate "accident" before this is all over.
I don't see how getting away from "mysterious accidents" as part of the justice system is a "failed experiment". It may still be an experiment in openness and transparency, and it may not achieve justice, but I think "mysterious accidents" are more indicative of failure.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:37:54am |
Joe Biden has been put in Time Out. His gaffe-tastic tour is on hold...
After gaffes and controversy, Joe Biden sent home from campaign trail
After a bad week of gaffes and a racially-charged claim that Mitt Romney wants to put people "back in chains," Vice President Joe Biden will be going home to Wilmington, Delaware on Friday morning, the Daily Caller reported Thursday.
“There are no public events scheduled,” said the late afternoon White House announcement, titled “Daily Guidance for the Vice President.”
...Over the last few weeks, the Vice President has not spent much time at campaign events, Munro noted, indicating that "he’s been kept on a very short chain."
But his gaffes in the last week have embarrassed the campaign and opened them up to ridicule from their GOP opponents.
...Politico's Jonathan Martin reported that "on two occasions during Biden’s Virginia trip, his staff sought to have certain elements in the reports highlighted while reporters drafted them and discussed the contents with the reporters after the summaries had been sent but before they had before sent to the broader media."
Martin said this attempt to interfere with drafting of reports is "all but unheard of and reflects the deep concern Biden’s team has about offering any fodder to the opposition."
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:38:30am |
re: #273 makeitstop
Wow. 'Feelings of isolation?'
Romney, in addition to everything else we know, sounds like a pretty fucked up dude. He feels isolated unless he's got another millionaire to hang with?
Yeah, it's honestly kinda sad. I think pairing up with Ryan only reenforces the image that most already have of him though. Hell Ryan and Romney look like a father and son auto dealing team up there to me.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:39:23am |
re: #275 wrenchwench
I don't see how getting away from "mysterious accidents" as part of the justice system is a "failed experiment". It may still be an experiment in openness and transparency, and it may not achieve justice, but I think "mysterious accidents" are more indicative of failure.
I would add that I personally don't think Assange deserves a "mysterious accident." Maybe I didn't really need to say that. But being critical of the Assange fandom doesn't mean I'm for any harm coming to him.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:40:45am |
re: #278 Gus
I would add that I personally don't think Assange deserves a "mysterious accident." Maybe I didn't really need to say that. But being critical of the Assange fandom doesn't mean I'm for any harm coming to him.
I don't think he should be harmed either. A nice room at Supermax would be just fine.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:41:03am |
DO NOT RETWEET ME IF YOUR NOT FLIPPING FOLLOWING ME!! K?— Mallory Marie Watson (@MalorieCalorie) August 17, 2012
Retweeted.
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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:41:12am |
re: #278 Gus
I would add that I personally don't think Assange deserves a "mysterious accident." Maybe I didn't really need to say that. But being critical of the Assange fandom doesn't mean I'm for any harm coming to him.
I'm certainly no fan of his myself.
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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:43:23am |
re: #280 Gus
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Retweeted.
Is this irony?
The people in front of me are sooo fucked up. Like they shouldn't be driving..— Mallory Marie Watson (@MalorieCalorie) August 17, 2012
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Varek Raith Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:45:20am |
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:46:35am |
Something I wonder about Re: Assenge is what happens when Correa leaves office.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:47:02am |
re: #281 wrenchwench
I'm certainly no fan of his myself.
My short take. He and Manning wanted operations in Iraq and Afghanistan to fail. Assange allegedly was instrumental in releasing the classified documents to the world. I can understand being against the operations carried out in Iraq and Afghanistan. What I don't understand is people wanting failure which would have led to more deaths in both countries including those on "our side."
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:48:42am |
re: #285 Gus
My short take. He and Manning wanted operations in Iraq and Afghanistan to fail. Assange allegedly was instrumental in releasing the classified documents to the world. I can understand being against the operations carried out in Iraq and Afghanistan. What I don't understand is people wanting failure which would have led to more deaths in both countries including those on "our side."
This. Which is precisely why people who purport to be anti-war making him out to be a hero is idiotic.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:48:48am |
re: #272 Learned Mother of Zion
They could simply tell advertisers that they reserve the right to refuse an ad, or to post a disclaimer, at their discretion. It is not a "free speech" issue, this is speech that is being paid for.
Since the venue is run by the city I don't think you can use that approach. If that worked all the places that want creches only at Christmas would simply start charging a slight fee and then banning everyone else using that argument.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:49:50am |
re: #287 HappyWarrior
This. Which is precisely why people who purport to be anti-war making him out to be a hero is idiotic.
Yes. And then it taints many in the antiwar movement. I assume that it's possible to be antiwar yet not support Assange or Manning. I do believe that's all part of critical thinking skills.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:50:57am |
re: #288 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Since the venue is run by the city I don't think you can use that approach. If that worked all the places that want creches only at Christmas would simply start charging a slight fee and then banning everyone else using that argument.
The city can still reserve the right to decide what goes on the side of its buses, not EVERYTHING is appropriate for the side of a bus, even in San Francisco.
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lawhawk Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:51:56am |
Demonstrators arrested outside Russian consulate in NYC to protest the guilty verdict and 2 year sentence for #PussyRiot.
Putin and free speech do not coexist. Putin has no room for free speech, and so he's managed to get trumped up charges of hooliganism and violating religious rights against a band that was protesting Putin's crackdown on free speech. Their arrest and subsequent conviction is proof of the band's claims about Putin's iron fisted crackdown and disregard for free speech and other human rights.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:52:46am |
Statement by Spokesperson Victoria Nuland on the Sentencing of Pussy Riot Punk Band Members in #Russia go.usa.gov/7Xm— StateDept (@StateDept) August 17, 2012
One response...
@statedept free Bradley Manning #freeBrad— ???? ????????? (@vasya2kurolesov) August 17, 2012
Derp.
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Mattand Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:52:49am |
re: #270 erik_t
This campaign is bad and Romney should feel bad.
Need a new running mate? Why not Zoidberg?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:52:51am |
re: #278 Gus
I would add that I personally don't think Assange deserves a "mysterious accident." Maybe I didn't really need to say that. But being critical of the Assange fandom doesn't mean I'm for any harm coming to him.
To quote Clint in Unforgiven: "Deserve's got nothing to do with it". At some point it becomes a practical matter of how to deal with the situation. I'm not really a huge fan of the targeted assassinations either but as a practical solution they do get the job done. Assange's celebrity may save him and clandestine assassinations in the West are going out of style so he might be safe. Just look at the uproar of the polonium poisoning a few years ago. Still, that doesn't mean that somebody might reach out an touch him.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:53:49am |
re: #295 Killgore Trout
To quote Clint in Unforgiven: "Deserve's got nothing to do with it". At some point it becomes a practical matter of how to deal with the situation. I'm not really a huge fan of the targeted assassinations either but as a practical solution they do get the job done. Assange's celebrity may save him and clandestine assassinations in the West are going out of style so he might be safe. Just look at the uproar of the polonium poisoning a few years ago. Still, that doesn't mean that somebody might reach out an touch him.
Well. Upding for just mentioning Clint. ;)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:54:13am |
re: #294 Mattand
Need a new running mate? Why not Zoidberg?
Might work. Until someone opens a tin of anchovies at the debate. Until then he just sounds like alien quack doctor and will be identical to a lot of what we have already seen.
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Lidane Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:57:10am |
re: #297 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Might work. Until someone opens a tin of anchovies at the debate. Until then he just sounds like alien quack doctor and will be identical to a lot of what we have already seen.
So he sounds like Luap Nor?
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:58:12am |
re: #292 lawhawk
Demonstrators arrested outside Russian consulate in NYC to protest the guilty verdict and 2 year sentence for #PussyRiot.
Putin and free speech do not coexist. Putin has no room for free speech, and so he's managed to get trumped up charges of hooliganism and violating religious rights against a band that was protesting Putin's crackdown on free speech. Their arrest and subsequent conviction is proof of the band's claims about Putin's iron fisted crackdown and disregard for free speech and other human rights.
Lets see who equates this with the FBI vs. ICP and the Juggalos.
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Mattand Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:58:21am |
re: #297 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Might work. Until someone opens a tin of anchovies at the debate. Until then he just sounds like alien quack doctor and will be identical to a lot of what we have already seen.
The thought of someone spooking Ryan and having him squirt them with ink, and then scuttle away screaming "Woob woob woob", just popped into my head.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:58:27am |
It's funny to see authoritarian regimes like the Putin one championing Assenge because you know if he had leaked info that involved their country's actions that Assenge would have probably been tortured in the worst possible way. Not sure what the best course of action is but he's going to feel like a virtual prisoner I imagine even while he technically remains free.
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Varek Raith Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:58:38am |
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makeitstop Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:58:40am |
Heh.
Citing ‘Lost Confidence,’ David Barton’s Publisher Pulls Book On Jefferson
Casey Francis Harrell, the director of corporate communications at the publishing firm, said that, due to a spate of recent complaints, Thomas Nelson had “lost confidence in the book’s details.”
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:58:45am |
re: #293 Gus
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Derp.
Speaking of Bradley Manning, moonbat Scott Olsen posted a video of himself reading a demand letter to Obama.
Enjoy...
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:58:48am |
re: #297 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Might work. Until someone opens a tin of anchovies at the debate. Until then he just sounds like alien quack doctor and will be identical to a lot of what we have already seen.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:59:04am |
re: #273 makeitstop
Wow. 'Feelings of isolation?'
Romney, in addition to everything else we know, sounds like a pretty fucked up dude. He feels isolated unless he's got another millionaire to hang with?
I would imagine the job of POTUS is about as isolated as it gets.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:00:08am |
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Kragar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:00:13am |
re: #304 makeitstop
Heh.
Citing ‘Lost Confidence,’ David Barton’s Publisher Pulls Book On Jefferson
Casey Francis Harrell, the director of corporate communications at the publishing firm, said that, due to a spate of recent complaints, Thomas Nelson had “lost confidence in the book’s details.”
What makes it funnier is the books they still feel confident in publishing.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:00:55am |
re: #307 What Would Spalding Gray Do?
I would imagine the job of POTUS is about as isolated as it gets.
There's a really good book title that gets at that: President Nixon: Alone in the White House. Really though, being POTUS has to be the most paradoxical lonely job out there. You're in the spotlight and everyone in the world knows who you are yet at the same time, you're lucky if you have four guys who know what you're going through. Which reminds me, my favorite SNL TV Funhouse skit is always going to be the X-Presidents.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:01:26am |
re: #305 NJDhockeyfan
Speaking of Bradley Manning, moonbat Scott Olsen posted a video of himself reading a demand letter to Obama.
Enjoy...
[Embedded content]
ISRAELI trained Police Shot US Marine Scott Olsen + Hells Angels join OWS!!!!
Didn't watch. Just found it. I'm sure it's the usual Youtube idiot.
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Varek Raith Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:02:43am |
re: #311 Gus
ISRAELI trained Police Shot US Marine Scott Olsen + Hells Angels join OWS!!!!
Didn't watch. Just found it. I'm sure it's the usual Youtube idiot.
Hmmm...
Those chem planes have been dousing that poor guy's airspace.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:03:40am |
re: #311 Gus
ISRAELI trained Police Shot US Marine Scott Olsen + Hells Angels join OWS!!!!
Didn't watch. Just found it. I'm sure it's the usual Youtube idiot.
Well if one thing the YouTuization of the world has done, it's shown that there are a lot of idiots out there who want the rest of us to hear their idiocy.
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lawhawk Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:04:13am |
Pro-lifer right wing policies in TX forcing women to go to Mexico for health care because the anti-abortion provisions designed to target Planned Parenthood have also shuttered dozens of unrelated health care facilities.
/GOP saving money by outsourcing health care to Mexico.
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Kragar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:04:55am |
Glenn Beck's Hard-Hitting Interview With David Barton
Last night, Beck dedicated his entire program to "clearing the air" on the controversy ... by letting Barton make his case, unchallenged, for an entire hour.
Just how hard-hitting was this interview that Beck conducted with Barton? Why don't you take a look at these excepts we grabbed from Beck's ten minute opening monologue where he positively gushed about Barton while casting aspersions on this "campaign against one of America's most respected people" and just take a guess:
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:05:03am |
re: #314 lawhawk
Pro-lifer right wing policies in TX forcing women to go to Mexico for health care because the anti-abortion provisions designed to target Planned Parenthood have also shuttered dozens of unrelated health care facilities.
/GOP saving money by outsourcing health care to Mexico.
Great job, Rick Perry.//
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:05:25am |
This morning my daughters and I were watching TV while they were getting ready to go to the sitters. There was a show on about Bigfoot (my one daughter says its all a lie - heh). Before a commercial they had a question asking which president reported something about Bigfoot. Both of them were guessing Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson...etc. I said Jimmy Carter saw a UFO, maybe it's him. One of them turned and asked "Who is that? I never heard of him."
I guess the schools haven't covered recent presidents yet.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:05:37am |
re: #312 Varek Raith
Hmmm...
Those chem planes have been dousing that poor guy's airspace.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:05:42am |
re: #315 Kragar
One of "America's most well respected people." I see Glenn is in fantasy land again. Most people don't know who this clown revisionist is let alone respect him.
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Interesting Times Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:07:34am |
Remember, if #PussyRiot just had guns, they wouldn't be in this predicament. #SecondAmendmentSolutionsForEverything— William K. Wolfrum (@Wolfrum) August 17, 2012
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:07:41am |
I hate to page something I'm so doubtful of, but wondering how much of this article is accurate... Setting aside the author and his regular Wall st. column for a minute-
[Link: www.wired.com...]
In 1977 President Jimmy Carter went on television and declared: “World oil production can probably keep going up for another six or eight years. But sometime in the 1980s, it can’t go up anymore. Demand will overtake production.” He was not alone in this view. The end of oil and gas had been predicted repeatedly throughout the 20th century. In 1922 President Warren Harding created the US Coal Commission, which undertook an 11-month survey that warned, “Already the output of [natural] gas has begun to wane. Production of oil cannot long maintain its present rate.” In 1956, M. King Hubbert, a Shell geophysicist, forecast that gas production in the US would peak at about 14 trillion cubic feet per year sometime around 1970.
All these predictions failed to come true. Oil and gas production have continued to rise during the past 50 years. Gas reserves took an enormous leap upward after 2007, as engineers learned how to exploit abundant shale gas. In 2011 the International Energy Agency estimated that global gas resources would last 250 years. Although it seems likely that cheap sources of oil may indeed start to peter out in coming decades, gigantic quantities of shale oil and oil sands will remain available, at least at a price. Once again, obstacles have materialized, but the apocalypse has not. Ever since Thomas Robert Malthus, doomsayers have tended to underestimate the power of innovation. In reality, driven by price increases, people simply developed new technologies, such as the horizontal drilling technique that has helped us extract more oil from shale.
It was not just energy but metals too that were supposed to run out. In 1970 Harrison Brown, a member of the National Academy of Sciences, forecast in Scientific American that lead, zinc, tin, gold, and silver would all be gone by 1990. The best-selling book The Limits to Growth was published 40 years ago by the Club of Rome, a committee of prominent environmentalists with a penchant for meeting in Italy. The book forecast that if use continued to accelerate exponentially, world reserves of several metals could run out by 1992 and help precipitate a collapse of civilization and population in the subsequent century, when people no longer had the raw materials to make machinery. These claims were soon being repeated in schoolbooks. “Some scientists estimate that the world’s known supplies of oil, tin, copper, and aluminum will be used up within your lifetime,” one read. In fact, as the results of a famous wager between Paul Ehrlich and economist Julian Simon later documented, the metals did not run out. Indeed, they grew cheaper. Ehrlich, who claimed he had been “goaded” into the bet, growled, “The one thing we’ll never run out of is imbeciles.”
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:08:01am |
re: #311 Gus
ISRAELI trained Police Shot US Marine Scott Olsen + Hells Angels join OWS!!!!
Didn't watch. Just found it. I'm sure it's the usual Youtube idiot.
The Oakland Police Department, who shot and critically injured an unarmed 24 year old U.S. Marine with a tear gas canister last night, has placed 2nd only to Israel in "terrorism" training exercises two years in a row.
Heh.
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Interesting Times Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:09:53am |
Moscow bans gay-pride marches for 100 years. Meaning US liberals can now tell conservatives, "If you don't like it, move to Russia"— James Poniewozik (@poniewozik) August 17, 2012
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:09:56am |
re: #323 NJDhockeyfan
The Oakland Police Department, who shot and critically injured an unarmed 24 year old U.S. Marine with a tear gas canister last night, has placed 2nd only to Israel in "terrorism" training exercises two years in a row.
Heh.
Whackos.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:10:19am |
re: #322 Daniel Ballard
This a true and accurate statement.
“The one thing we’ll never run out of is imbeciles.”
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Kragar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:11:02am |
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Varek Raith Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:11:40am |
re: #327 Kragar
Geraldo Rivera Wonders Whether A ‘Lesbian Cabal’ Runs DHS
WTF?
re: #167 Varek Raith
Giggity!
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:11:49am |
re: #322 Daniel Ballard
I think it has already been calculated that we will reach the climate change "tipping point" (increase in 2 degrees Celcius) from CO2 emissions long before we run out of fossil fuels. (Can't find the page, but it was here a couple of weeks ago)
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:13:07am |
CAT FOUND twitter.com/CatrinNye/stat...— Catrin Nye (@CatrinNye) August 17, 2012
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:13:23am |
re: #327 Kragar
Geraldo Rivera Wonders Whether A ‘Lesbian Cabal’ Runs DHS
WTF?
And one thought he couldn't get any more dumb after he made his hoodie comment. Yes, Geraldo a Lesbian cabal runs DHS. That's why noted lesbian George W. Bush pushed for its creation and lesbians Tom Ridge and Michael Chertoff in charge of it. Really, what is this trash? Guys like Geraldo had no problem with DHS and TSA when Bush was president but they suddenly start getting nuts about it as soon as Obama is president?
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Varek Raith Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:13:54am |
Geraldo in Capone's Vault with the Hoodie.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:14:50am |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:14:56am |
re: #311 Gus
ISRAELI trained Police Shot US Marine Scott Olsen + Hells Angels join OWS!!!!
Didn't watch. Just found it. I'm sure it's the usual Youtube idiot.
If you expand the description and check his sources for the story he links to this based on the research of Mondoweiss contributor Max Blumenthal.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:15:02am |
re: #292 lawhawk
Demonstrators arrested outside Russian consulate in NYC to protest the guilty verdict and 2 year sentence for #PussyRiot.
Putin and free speech do not coexist. Putin has no room for free speech, and so he's managed to get trumped up charges of hooliganism and violating religious rights against a band that was protesting Putin's crackdown on free speech. Their arrest and subsequent conviction is proof of the band's claims about Putin's iron fisted crackdown and disregard for free speech and other human rights.
Note: all this relies on Google Translate being at least marginally accurate.
Meanwhile in Russia, a serial rapist got sentenced to 2 years and 4 months, but since the sentence was to be considered served from the time he was arrested, he gets out next month.
And the priest at the church where these girls protested got into a wreck with his ~$100,000 Mercedes SUV, killing two road workers and fled the scene. Any bets on how much prison time he'll get?
Another high-ranking priest driving a BMW Z3 (with diplomatic plates, no less) got in a serious wreck with two other cars, possibly due to drunkenness. His pals came by and "sorted everything out". Yay for him. Bonus link in English
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:15:38am |
re: #332 Varek Raith
Geraldo in Capone's Vault with the Hoodie.
The winning solution for Not-A-Cluedo?
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:16:24am |
re: #336 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
The winning solution for Not-A-Cluedo?
Yes, President Obama with the Shariah and secularization of America works there too but that's for Newt not Geraldo.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:16:31am |
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:16:44am |
Ilya Mouzykantskii @ilyamuz
Turkish ambassador chucks riot police out of embassy, gives protester glass of water, tells her that she supports her cause #freepussyriot
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:17:53am |
Ha! Russia Today is all about Assange. Gee, I wonder why. Pussyriot get a mention but then they have this propaganda piece, Russian society divided on Pussy Riot trial.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:19:03am |
Love it. To the Russian government. Assenge and Manning are heroes but Pussy Riot are vicious criminals. Can you say двойной стандарт, yes you can.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:20:39am |
re: #341 HappyWarrior
Love it. To the Russian government. Assenge and Manning are heroes but Pussy Riot are vicious criminals. Can you say двойной стандарт, yes you can.
Obviously. Assange and Manning are perfect for anti-American propaganda. They're using both and using them well. Especially by way of Kremlin owned Russia Today. Which ironically is popular with a lot of people on the American left. Maybe it's not ironic since in some circles being anti-American is still hip.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:21:39am |
Nelson Mandela's grandson throws wife out of home after discovering that baby son is his brother's
Mandla Mandela, 38, was accused of bigamy when he married teenager Anais Grimaud while still married to his first wife.
Now, following weeks of media speculation that their marriage had ended amid blazing rows, Mr Mandela has confirmed that his wife had an affair with his brother.
“The Mandela family has sent my wife Nkosikazi Nobubele Mandela (nee Anais Grimaud) back to her home after it was discovered she has been having an affair with one of my brothers”, he said.
“I confirm this affair resulted in a son that Nkosikazi Nobubele gave birth to in 2011.
The cuckold scandal is just the latest in a series of controversies involving Mandla Mandela, whom Nelson Mandela anointed as his political heir.
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lawhawk Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:21:51am |
#Pussyriot is not the same kind of case as #Assange.
Pussy Riot was protesting Putin's crackdown against free speech rights.
Assange was aiding and abetting others in violating national security laws and rules about releasing classified information, particularly when it comes to the US by and through Bradley Manning (who is currently awaiting trial).
The two aren't even tangentially related. Assange's case has nothing to do with free speech while Pussy Riot has everything to do with Putin's government's crackdown against those who might criticize him.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:22:54am |
re: #344 lawhawk
#Pussyriot is not the same kind of case as #Assange.
Pussy Riot was protesting Putin's crackdown against free speech rights.
Assange was aiding and abetting others in violating national security laws and rules about releasing classified information, particularly when it comes to the US by and through Bradley Manning (who is currently awaiting trial).
The two aren't even tangentially related. Assange's case has nothing to do with free speech while Pussy Riot has everything to do with Putin's government's crackdown against those who might criticize him.
Precisely, which is why I wrote the I am sure poorly google translated version of Russian for double standard.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:24:21am |
Work accident...
Hamas militant killed in accidental bomb blast
A member of the armed wing of Gaza's ruling Hamas movement died when a bomb he was guarding exploded accidently, the Palestinian militant group said on Friday.
The victim, Majed Khalout, was killed when the bomb exploded as he was patrolling the site where it was stored, the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades said in a statement.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:25:23am |
re: #346 Killgore Trout
Work accident...
Hamas militant killed in accidental bomb blast
May he rest in pieces.
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lawhawk Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:25:26am |
Hooray for Gov. Christie and his economic turnaround. New Jersey now has the 4th worst unemployment rate in the nation and is 1.5 points higher than the national average.
The state shed 12,000 jobs in July, the most of any state and a "statistically significant decline," federal officials announced today.
The unemployment rate also rose to 9.8 percent in July, the fourth-highest of all the states.
The news has some New Jersey Democrats blasting Gov. Chris Christie, less than two weeks before Christie will give a nationally-watched speech on the economy, saying Mitt Romney is the man to fix it.
The Romney campaign announced earlier this week that Christie will give the high-profile keynote address at the Republican Convention in Tampa Bay, often used as a launching point for higher office.
"It's clear that Chris Christie's 'Jersey Comeback' is as elusive as Mitt Romney's tax returns," Assemblyman Lou Greenwald (D-Camden) said Thursday. "Since he's spent so much time out of state campaigning for Governor Romney lately, perhaps he hasn't noticed that the only people feeling a 'comeback' under Christie are the millionaires and billionaires enjoying massive tax breaks."
State officials announced Thursday that the jobless rate had scaled from 9.6 percent to 9.8 percent. The U.S. unemployment rate last month was 8.3 percent.
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Mattand Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:27:38am |
re: #348 lawhawk
Hooray for Gov. Christie and his economic turnaround. New Jersey now has the 4th worst unemployment rate in the nation and is 1.5 points higher than the national average.
Can't wait for the hard-hitting expose Fox News will be running about this any second now...
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:27:55am |
re: #346 Killgore Trout
Work accident...
Hamas militant killed in accidental bomb blast
...The victim, Majed Khalout, was killed when the bomb exploded as he was patrolling the site where it was stored, the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades said in a statement
When terrorists kill themselves with a bomb they built, they are victims?
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Varek Raith Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:29:55am |
re: #350 NJDhockeyfan
When terrorists kill themselves with a bomb they built, they are victims?
Yes.
Of their own idiocy.
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lawhawk Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:29:56am |
re: #346 Killgore Trout
One less terrorist bomb "expert" to pass on his knowledge, and one less threat for Israel to be worried about.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:31:20am |
re: #348 lawhawk
Hooray for Gov. Christie and his economic turnaround. New Jersey now has the 4th worst unemployment rate in the nation and is 1.5 points higher than the national average.
I am sure Christie will blame the unions because that's what leadership is. Can't wait though to hear him blast as Obama as a failure at the RNC while he has this monkey on his back.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:31:58am |
re: #346 Killgore Trout
Work accident...
Hamas militant killed in accidental bomb blast
1000 Ways to Die, you have a new segment.
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funky chicken Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:34:26am |
re: #28 What Would Spalding Gray Do?
At least Perot paid for proper charts, professionally produced. And I'll still give Perot credit for being a billionaire who warned against the consquences of outsourcing cheap labor. That breed is extinct.
qft
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:37:22am |
BA steward made hoax bomb threat so he could 'save the day'
A British Airways steward who made a hoax bomb threat on board a flight so that he could be a hero and 'save the day' was jailed for six months.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:37:30am |
Although the Pussy Riot verdict is a travesty I haven't been this happy since The Butthole Surfers had a top 40 hit. There are just some words I like to hear from the MSM.
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Kragar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:37:58am |
Bryan Fischer: SPLC Should Be ‘Held To Account’ For FRC Shooting
This from a group which never accepts responsibility for anything.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:39:38am |
re: #358 Kragar
Bryan Fischer: SPLC Should Be ‘Held To Account’ For FRC Shooting
This from a group which never accepts responsibility for anything.
That's rich coming from him. Really he thinks calling a group hateful is a call to violence? Or does that only mean something when it's a right wing "pro family" group like the FRC.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:41:00am |
Here's a strange alliance: Anonymous and Scottish terrorists
Scottish Terrorist and Two Hackers Charged University of Pittsburgh Bomb Threats
A man with ties to a Scottish terrorist group is accused of sending email bomb threats more than 50 times to the University of Pittsburgh this spring.
Scottish National Liberation Army member Adam Stuart Busby, 64, is accused of sending the email threats to the university, along with multiple bomb threats to western Pennsylvania courthouses, and specific threats of violence to U.S. attorney David Hickton, according to the FBI.
He is in custody in Dublin, Ireland, on charges relating to bomb threats and hoaxes throughout Great Britain, the FBI announced today.
Two men from Ohio who have claimed membership in the hacking group Anonymous were also charged in connection with the threats for their role in threatening to release personal information from the Pittsburgh college's computer system.
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Amory Blaine Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:41:04am |
Tom Morello: 'Paul Ryan Is the Embodiment of the Machine Our Music Rages Against'
Last week, Mitt Romney picked Paul Ryan, the Republican architect of Congress's radical right-wing budget plan, as his running mate. Ryan has previously cited Rage Against the Machine as one of his favorite bands. Rage guitarist Tom Morello responds in this exclusive op-ed.
Paul Ryan's love of Rage Against the Machine is amusing, because he is the embodiment of the machine that our music has been raging against for two decades. Charles Manson loved the Beatles but didn't understand them. Governor Chris Christie loves Bruce Springsteen but doesn't understand him. And Paul Ryan is clueless about his favorite band, Rage Against the Machine.
Ryan claims that he likes Rage's sound, but not the lyrics. Well, I don't care for Paul Ryan's sound or his lyrics. He can like whatever bands he wants, but his guiding vision of shifting revenue more radically to the one percent is antithetical to the message of Rage.
I wonder what Ryan's favorite Rage song is? Is it the one where we condemn the genocide of Native Americans? The one lambasting American imperialism? Our cover of "Fuck the Police"? Or is it the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production? So many excellent choices to jam out to at Young Republican meetings!
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erik_t Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:41:09am |
re: #358 Kragar
Bryan Fischer: SPLC Should Be ‘Held To Account’ For FRC Shooting
This from a group which never accepts responsibility for anything.
But, but... free speech?
Hypocritical assholes.
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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:41:31am |
When the burrito lady comes around carrying her 19 day old baby AND her warmer full of burritos, it is impossible to say no.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:42:23am |
re: #362 erik_t
But, but... free speech?
Hypocritical assholes.
Free speech only applies if you're suggesting gays should be locked up and treated as akin to pedophiles.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:43:09am |
re: #360 Killgore Trout
Here's a strange alliance: Anonymous and Scottish terrorists
Scottish Terrorist and Two Hackers Charged University of Pittsburgh Bomb Threats
I have a friend who was on the no fly list because of sharing a name with a member of that Scottish org. You see strange alliances all the time though. The IRA in the 1980's were getting money from Qaddafi IIRC.
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Mattand Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:43:58am |
re: #353 HappyWarrior
I am sure Christie will blame the unions because that's what leadership is. Can't wait though to hear him blast as Obama as a failure at the RNC while he has this monkey on his back.
I'd like to see him try that. It didn't get much national fanfare, but IIRC, Christie worked with the Democrats to essentially suspend collective bargaining for a lot of the state government workers.
Lawhawk will fact check if I get this wrong, BTW. Unlike me, he's usually right most of the time when it comes to NJ stuff.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:44:20am |
re: #361 Amory Blaine
Tom Morello: 'Paul Ryan Is the Embodiment of the Machine Our Music Rages Against'
Last week, Mitt Romney picked Paul Ryan, the Republican architect of Congress's radical right-wing budget plan, as his running mate. Ryan has previously cited Rage Against the Machine as one of his favorite bands. Rage guitarist Tom Morello responds in this exclusive op-ed.
Well Paul Ryan wouldn't be the first right winger not to understand the music he profeses to love as Tom Morello already put it. Hell, he's not even the first Wisconsinan Republican to do this year.
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funky chicken Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:45:11am |
re: #343 NJDhockeyfan
Nelson Mandela's grandson throws wife out of home after discovering that baby son is his brother's
nepotism is bad
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:45:48am |
re: #367 HappyWarrior
Well Paul Ryan wouldn't be the first right winger not to understand the music he profeses to love as Tom Morello already put it. Hell, he's not even the first Wisconsinan Republican to do this year.
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Lidane Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:46:11am |
re: #361 Amory Blaine
Tom Morello: 'Paul Ryan Is the Embodiment of the Machine Our Music Rages Against'
Tom Morello is awesome. Love him. Say what you want about his politics, but the guy can shred. Put him and Springsteen together and it's insane:
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:46:51am |
U.S. judge OKs use of evidence in Hasan trial
A federal judge ordered that evidence against the accused Fort Hood shooter obtained through classified intelligence gathering methods will be allowed in trial.
Lawyers for Maj. Nidal Hasan challenged the constitutionality of using the evidence, stating it constituted an illegal search or seizure and prevented Hasan from confronting his accusers.
Federal Judge Walter Smith denied the request Wednesday after reviewing the evidence and classified information outside of the court.
Smith made the ruling the same day a high military court ordered a halt to all proceedings at Fort Hood until it decides if the judge in Hasan’s court-martial can have him forcibly shaved.
With the high court’s ruling, Hasan’s court-martial has little chance of beginning Monday.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:46:57am |
re: #369 Learned Mother of Zion
Nice to see that Republican candidates are upsetting a new generation of musicians.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:48:32am |
re: #372 HappyWarrior
Nice to see that Republican candidates are upsetting a new generation of musicians.
The same thing happened in 2008, McCain/Palin were using somebody's music without permission, received a C&D. I think it was some music that Sarah Palin picked out as her "theme song."
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Lidane Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:50:26am |
re: #373 Learned Mother of Zion
The same thing happened in 2008, McCain/Palin were using somebody's music without permission, received a C&D. I think it was some music that Sarah Palin picked out as her "theme song."
That was the band Heart. Sarah tried using their song "Barracuda" and they objected, IIRC.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:50:38am |
re: #373 Learned Mother of Zion
The same thing happened in 2008, McCain/Palin were using somebody's music without permission, received a C&D. I think it was some music that Sarah Palin picked out as her "theme song."
Barracuda by Heart I believe. The Wilson sisters were none too pleased with that. I guess Republicans feel there's only so much Toby Keith, Ted Nugent, and Kid Rock that can be played. Anyhow, my Dad's always joked that he likes Democratic candidates better because their friends in the music industry put on better inaugural concerts than the Republicans. From the little I recall of the 1992 inaugural that my Dad took me at five years to, I'm inclined to agree with that.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:52:18am |
re: #374 Lidane
That was the band Heart. Sarah tried using their song "Barracuda" and they objected, IIRC.
Yeah because her nickname was Barracuda on the basketball team in high school, they figured they'd use the song and get away with it. The funniest thing to me are when they use a song and vastly misinterpret its message. The most famous one of course being Reagan and Springsteen with Born in the USA.
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makeitstop Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:52:20am |
re: #372 HappyWarrior
Nice to see that Republican candidates are upsetting a new generation of musicians.
The Silversun Pickups have asked Mitt Romney's campaign to stop using their song "Panic Switch" at events. The band has issued a cease-and-desist order and released a statement Wednesday, roundly denouncing Romney and his campaign.
"We don't like people going behind our backs, using our music without asking, and we don't like the Romney campaign," frontman Brian Aubert wrote. "We're nice, approachable people. We won't bite. Unless you're Mitt Romney!"
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Mattand Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:52:39am |
re: #357 Killgore Trout
Although the Pussy Riot verdict is a travesty I haven't been this happy since The Butthole Surfers had a top 40 hit. There are just some words I like to hear from the MSM.
I was at the dog park a few years ago and struck up a conversation with an Air Force officer. A question about where he has toured led to a discussion about Russia and Putin.
The officer told me he admired how Putin took control of the country and was a strong leader. Pointing out what a piece of shit Putin was about human rights elicited a "so what" attitude from this guy. He was completely cool with Putin's track record of suppressing free speech.
I realize this officer is not representative of the military as a whole, but still: that's the kind of shit that worries me at times.
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makeitstop Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:54:55am |
re: #374 Lidane
That was the band Heart. Sarah tried using their song "Barracuda" and they objected, IIRC.
Not only did they object - Roger Fisher took the royalty money they ended up getting and donated it to Obama.
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Lidane Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:56:00am |
re: #376 HappyWarrior
The funniest thing to me are when they use a song and vastly misinterpret its message. The most famous one of course being Reagan and Springsteen with Born in the USA.
True. When I tell people that "Born in the USA" isn't the rah-rah cheerleading song they think it is, they're surprised. It's like it never dawned on people to read the lyrics.
After that bullshit in Russia and Paul Ryan trying to say that they're his favorite band, I think I'll listen to some Rage Against the Machine. Seems like a good idea.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:58:59am |
re: #380 Lidane
True. When I tell people that "Born in the USA" isn't the rah-rah cheerleading song they think it is, they're surprised. It's like it never dawned on people to read the lyrics.
After that bullshit in Russia and Paul Ryan trying to say that they're his favorite band, I think I'll listen to some Rage Against the Machine. Seems like a good idea.
It's almost as if they only heard the chorus and thought "This will look good on TV." It's kind of akin to what McCain did with "Running On Empty" which from what I understand is something Jackson Browne made very autobiographical but I guess McCain's people heard "running on empty" and thought hey this is a good dig at Obama because we think he's shallow and running on empty hahaha." It's like that dumbass in Wisconsin who thought the Dropkick Murphy's songs were only about being proud to be Irish American and ignoring the lyrics that champion the labor movement.
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Lidane Fri, Aug 17, 2012 11:19:49am |
re: #381 HappyWarrior
It's like that dumbass in Wisconsin who thought the Dropkick Murphy's songs were only about being proud to be Irish American and ignoring the lyrics that champion the labor movement.
That made me laugh. Talk about misinterpreting a band.
The only thing that would have been funnier is Bush using Flogging Molly's song "Screaming at the Wailing Wall" in his 2004 re-election campaign.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 11:39:58am |
re: #382 Lidane
That made me laugh. Talk about misinterpreting a band.
The only thing that would have been funnier is Bush using Flogging Molly's song "Screaming at the Wailing Wall" in his 2004 re-election campaign.
I mean at least he did it with Shipping Up to Boston which from what I recall really isn't so much a tribute to the laborers but still what a fail.
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