1 | darthstar Thu, Apr 4, 2013 7:14:59pm |
Those are some well-trained giraffes. I wonder if they’re floral?
2 | Kragar Thu, Apr 4, 2013 7:18:27pm |
Allen West horrified by Calvin Klein model: ‘I was like ewww, you know?’
Former Rep. Allen West, one of the most outspoken and least effective members of the House in recent years, has a new gig doing an online talk show, where a whole new side of the Florida Republican is coming to light.
Writing for Yahoo! News, reporter Chris Moody spotlights some of the more comical exchanges West has shared of late with co-hosts Michelle Fields and John Phillips, including one quip where he recounted seeing a Calvin Klein advertisement on television featuring a male model. “I was like ewww, you know?” he said.
The subscription-only show is run by Pajamas Media (PJTV), a conservative website that features pay-to-access commentary on the news. West’s addition to the PJTV lineup makes him easily the best known among the group, but also the most unpredictable.
3 | Mentis Fugit Thu, Apr 4, 2013 7:22:39pm |
How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb?
Two: one to hold the giraffe, and the other to fill the bathtub with brightly-colored machine tools.
I note that in deference to Religious Right sensibilities, the giraffes in this video to not appear to possess genitalia. Or did I not look close enough? Don’t answer that!
5 | Vicious Babushka Thu, Apr 4, 2013 7:30:04pm |
I mean like for some people, that were the subject of the previous thread, this video would be total pr0n.
6 | Kragar Thu, Apr 4, 2013 7:30:59pm |
Fox News host grills NRA on magazine ban: ‘How many more lives would have been saved?’
After playing some video of parents of victims speaking to CBS News, Kelly noted that they had made a “powerful” argument that “if Adam Lanza, the shooter at Newtown, had not had 30 round magazines — if he had only had 10 rounds in these guns — more children would have lived.”
“The people who are going to do horror and terror, they aren’t going to cooperate,” the NRA chief replied. “All you’re going to do is make the law books thicker for the law-abiding people. From the very start, my thought has been about how little this had to do with keeping kids safe and how much it has to do with this decades-long agenda against firearms that some in the political class and the media have had.”
“You hear the parents and the spouses of those killed — there were 20 children and six adults killed,” Kelly pointed out, bringing LaPierre back to the point of high-capacity magazines. “Eleven children had a chance to escape as that guy reloaded. And the one man is saying there, if he had to reload five times instead of one time, how many more lives would have been saved?”
“That is, to me, the most compelling argument,” the Fox News host added.
“My response is criminals aren’t going to have less,” LaPierre insisted. “One round in the hand of someone who is going to do horror too many.”
Gee Wayne, maybe making sure its harder for people to get that one round might be a good fucking idea then.
7 | Gus Thu, Apr 4, 2013 7:32:53pm |
re: #5 Vicious Babushka
I mean like for some people, that were the subject of the previous thread, this video would be total pr0n.
I find these giraffes very attractive. //
8 | Single-handed sailor Thu, Apr 4, 2013 7:48:17pm |
Good evening lizards.
9 | blueraven Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:05:39pm |
re: #6 Kragar
Fox News host grills NRA on magazine ban: ‘How many more lives would have been saved?’
Gee Wayne, maybe making sure its harder for people to get that one round might be a good fucking idea then.
Well she made him stay on point and it was a pretty good interview, but that was hardly a “grilling”.
10 | Targetpractice Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:07:32pm |
re: #6 Kragar
Fox News host grills NRA on magazine ban: ‘How many more lives would have been saved?’
Gee Wayne, maybe making sure its harder for people to get that one round might be a good fucking idea then.
Wayne just keeps recycling the same argument: Criminals aren’t going to obey the law. Yes, genius, we know that. But was Adam Lanza a criminal prior to Newtown? Or his mother, the one who was legally purchasing the arsenal he ended up turning on her and then two dozen children and teachers?
11 | Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:12:50pm |
re: #6 Kragar
Fox News host grills NRA on magazine ban: ‘How many more lives would have been saved?’
Gee Wayne, maybe making sure its harder for people to get that one round might be a good fucking idea then.
Those innocent deaths have been forgotten. Or they’ve been turned into something that the creepy scary people I live next door to use. They use. These gun nuts are using those 1st graders to their BENEFIT.
Horrific
13 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:13:43pm |
re: #6 Kragar
“You hear the parents and the spouses of those killed — there were 20 children and six adults killed,” Kelly pointed out, bringing LaPierre back to the point of high-capacity magazines. “Eleven children had a chance to escape as that guy reloaded. And the one man is saying there, if he had to reload five times instead of one time, how many more lives would have been saved?”
Lanza reloaded at least six times.
They also located in the area of the shootings six additional 30-round magazines, three of which were empty and the others containing 10, 11 and 13 live rounds. There was one 30-round magazine on the gun.
14 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:15:57pm |
re: #13 goddamnedfrank
Lanza reloaded at least six times.
Archivists are useful folks to have around:
Archivist saves and squirrels away each and every discussion forum message. Do you remember having a bad day back in 1996 when in one of your messages you may have said a few things that were…well, perhaps a little…hasty? Don’t worry, Archivist still has it and will post it to the forum if you begin to get the upper hand in battle. Archivist can be a very effective and fearsome Warrior.
15 | Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:16:27pm |
Charles, video feed isn’t loading for me…
16 | dragonath Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:17:23pm |
Wait, they still have segregated proms…in Georgia?!
17 | Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:18:13pm |
18 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:19:19pm |
re: #15 Dancing along the light of day
Charles, video feed isn’t loading for me…
According to Darthstar, you may be in the video. Or it might be some of your poor relations. :D
19 | Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:19:54pm |
Each kid was killed legally, 10 or 12 bullets. In 5 minutes. Legally,.
20 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:23:21pm |
re: #17 Stanley Sea
That someone can have an arsenal that can kill that much.
The actual killing was all done by one pistol and one rifle; no other weapons were used at the school. The firepower of modern weapons is only shocking to those who are encountering it fir the first time. It was the actions taken with that firepower the comprised the horror.
21 | Gus Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:24:05pm |
re: #15 Dancing along the light of day
Charles, video feed isn’t loading for me…
Click on where it reads “Vimeo.”
22 | blueraven Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:25:24pm |
re: #20 Dark_Falcon
The actual killing was all done by one pistol and one rifle; no other weapons were used at the school. The firepower of modern weapons is only shocking to those who are encountering it fir the first time. It was the actions taken with that firepower the comprised the horror.
It was pretty damn shocking to those kids and their parents. The nation…
23 | Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:25:29pm |
Good night. The defense that the NRA and their puppets (you!) defended and totally buckled down upon the deaths of 20 kids with more bullets in their bodies than I don’t know what.
Remember the kids killed. Remember the circumstance.
24 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:26:26pm |
re: #19 Stanley Sea
Each kid was killed legally, 10 or 12 bullets. In 5 minutes. Legally,.
That’s a stupid thing to say! They were murdered, and you know it. To say that they were “killed legally” would be to state the preposterous idea that Adam Lanza’s actions were somehow justified or excusable, because those are the only two situations in which a civilian can “kill legally”,
25 | Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:31:16pm |
re: #24 Dark_Falcon
That’s a stupid thing to say! They were murdered, and you know it. To say that they were “killed legally” would be to state the preposterous idea that Adam Lanza’s actions were somehow justified or excusable, because those are the only two situations in which a civilian can “kill legally”,
All I hear now is that the arsenal and the guns that Lanza had we’re a ok. Therefore legal murder. No gun control you say? Deal with it
26 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:32:08pm |
It’s a sad night for Chicagoland: Roger Ebert has died.
27 | blueraven Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:32:31pm |
re: #24 Dark_Falcon
That’s a stupid thing to say! They were murdered, and you know it. To say that they were “killed legally” would be to state the preposterous idea that Adam Lanza’s actions were somehow justified or excusable, because those are the only two situations in which a civilian can “kill legally”,
He had a legal weapon and sported legal ammo. He had the legal right to own them and use them. Somewhere in his mind the killings were justified and he had the wherewithal to do what he did with legal tools.
28 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:34:46pm |
re: #25 Stanley Sea
All I hear now is that the arsenal and the guns that Lanza had we’re a ok. Therefore legal murder. No gun control you say? Deal with it
No, ma’am! Someone unlawfully killing with a gun someone else lawfully owned is not, repeat NOT, “legal murder”. To suggest it is is to stand the law on its head.
29 | HoosierHoops Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:36:46pm |
re: #19 Stanley Sea
Each kid was killed legally, 10 or 12 bullets. In 5 minutes. Legally,.
Yes..My little brother has collected guns and stuff his whole life and I trust him completely..He is a hunter but has enough weapons to arm a squad of Marines. We are close but guns never interested me that much..He loves ‘em.
I respect that about our responsible gun owners that understand and respect all the aspects about owning guns in the USA.
That said…
I know the emotions of this period is very high. The pain for so many probably equaled the feeling on 911 that morning. Raw..Senseless..Loss and also importantly questioning the root causes of this violence upon us.
one bullet or a thousand kills children.. I’m not sure it’s a matter of quantity of firepower or the Time to kill. ( It takes a millisecond to vaporize a city )
I think some of the root cause is what we have become as a people and all the laws in the world won’t help if we lose our way.
Lennon said it best.. Come Together ..
30 | Targetpractice Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:37:02pm |
Personally think we’re approaching the argument over magazine size from the wrong angle. Arguing Newtown over the grounds of hypotheticals, i.e. what might have happened had the proposed laws been in effect, is snarled with the inability to go back and actually test. Better instead to focus such arguments on the facts that we do have, namely that states that have strict gun control laws have lower rates of gun-related deaths than states with looser laws.
31 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:38:05pm |
Privately, investigators wondered whether the reloading habit was influenced by the endless hours the quiet, withdrawn loner spent playing violent, first-person shooter video games, the Courant reported.
I’m not sure I buy this theory, but the unrealistic magazine management ubiquitous to FPS games does foster that habit inside the games themselves. In real life unfired rounds don’t magically return to a pool that autofills the next magazine.
32 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:38:41pm |
re: #27 blueraven
He did not, however, own them. Whatever reason he had for his rampage was a load of insanity and crap.
Murder is murder, and the idea of “legal murder” is completely off-base.
33 | Targetpractice Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:40:03pm |
re: #31 goddamnedfrank
I’m not sure I buy this theory, but the unrealistic magazine management ubiquitous to FPS games does foster that habit inside the games themselves. In real life unfired rounds don’t magically return to a pool that autofills the next magazine.
True enough. There are a few FPS games, America’s Army comes to mind, that do enforce magazine management and penalize you for ejecting mags with unfired rounds by either subtracting them from the total pool or instead putting the half-filled mags back into rotation.
34 | William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:40:04pm |
re: #28 Dark_Falcon
Good Evening, DF. Did you have a chance to check out that article I pointed you to last night?
35 | blueraven Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:41:04pm |
re: #32 Dark_Falcon
He did not, however, own them. Whatever reason he had for his rampage was a load of insanity and crap.
Murder is murder, and the idea of “legal murder” is completely off-base.
Well he could have owned them, if his mother had sold them to him in a private transaction. But the NRA doesn’t want background checks so…fuck it.
36 | Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:43:19pm |
re: #28 Dark_Falcon
No, ma’am! Someone unlawfully killing with a gun someone else lawfully owned is not, repeat NOT, “legal murder”. To suggest it is is to stand the law on its head.
Ah…using a gun someone else lawfully owned.
There’s trouble here, there’s always been trouble here.
The proliferation of guns, the stupid gun culture. The everyone including Lanza & Gabby’s shooter. Total fails in common sense gun ownership - but NO our gun rights!!!!
38 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:46:23pm |
re: #34 William Barnett-Lewis
Good Evening, DF. Did you have a chance to check out that article I pointed you to last night?
Yes, I did. It was good as far as it went, but it was also obviously incomplete, with a huge chunk of its middle gone. But that is not your fault, and I thank you for posting it.
My fact related to it for tonight is the following: While some T-55s built for export lacked NBC protective systems, all T-72s were equipped with such systems, whether for export or not. The reason was that the NBC protection was something incorporated into the already-designed T-54, producing the T-55. By contrast, the ‘PAZ’ NBC protection system was integral to the design of the T-72, and building export tanks without the system would cost more than leaving the system in place.
39 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:51:01pm |
re: #33 Targetpractice
True enough. There are a few FPS games, America’s Army comes to mind, that do enforce magazine management and penalize you for ejecting mags with unfired rounds by either subtracting them from the total pool or instead putting the half-filled mags back into rotation.
Which goes to the point that games can act as operant conditioning. If they didn’t the US Army wouldn’t have had such a long standing interest in using video games for training:
A version called The Bradley Trainer (also known as Army Battlezone or Military Battlezone) was also designed for use by the U.S. Army as targeting training for gunners on the Bradley Fighting Vehicle.[2] Approaching Atari in December 1980, some developers within Atari refused to work on the project because of its association with the Army,[3] most notably original Battlezone programmer Ed Rotberg.[4] Rotberg only came on board after he was promised by management that he would never be asked to do anything with the military in the future.
40 | Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:51:22pm |
I think we should have a lucrative amnesty. Like the Aussies did. We need more $$$$$ tho. (We have noooooo money says the GOP)
Pay for the guns. Get them off the streets. Start anew.
Reading the RWNJ fear tho….well, that’s the other angle, but Chicago!!!
41 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:51:53pm |
re: #36 Stanley Sea
Ah…using a gun someone else lawfully owned.
There’s trouble here, there’s always been trouble here.
The proliferation of guns, the stupid gun culture. The everyone including Lanza & Gabby’s shooter. Total fails in common sense gun ownership - but NO our gun rights!!!!
Mothers are known to have blind spots where their sons are concerned. And mental heath matters are quite thorny.
I understand that you feel strongly, but please don’t fling phrases such as “legal murder” around in this matter. It cuts off the possibility of dialogue and turns the exchange into a flame war.
42 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:56:04pm |
re: #39 goddamnedfrank
P.S. If you’ve ever played Bradley Trainer on MAME then you already know how much the Atari programmers hated that project. No levels to clear and the only way to end the game is through friendly fire.
43 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:57:33pm |
re: #42 goddamnedfrank
P.S. If you’ve ever played Bradley Trainer on MAME then you already know how much the Atari programmers hated that project. No levels to clear and the only way to end the game is through friendly fire.
Well, I know LTC Burton (USAF) hated the game…
44 | Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 4, 2013 8:59:48pm |
re: #41 Dark_Falcon
Mothers are known to have blind spots where their sons are concerned. And mental heath matters are quite thorny.
I understand that you feel strongly, but please don’t fling phrases such as “legal murder” around in this matter. It cuts off the possibility of dialogue and turns the exchange into a flame war.
Sorry. But the NRA, our most outspoken entity, nothing wrong happened here, nothing. Therefore NRA legal.
45 | Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:01:25pm |
re: #44 Stanley Sea
Sorry. But the NRA, our most outspoken entity, nothing wrong happened here, nothing. Therefore NRA legal.
They don’t want Adam Lanza background checks.
46 | Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:04:42pm |
DF do you want to stop the Lanza’s the Holmes? Well, how?
47 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:05:33pm |
re: #45 Stanley Sea
They don’t want Adam Lanza background checks.
They wouldn’t have prevented this in any case, since it was not Adam Lanza who owned the guns and nothing in his mother’s life would have disqualified her under Instant Check. Checks were run for at least some of her purchases and they came back clean.
48 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:07:40pm |
Conversely America’s Army wasn’t really greeted as that much of a controversy at all. There’s a few ways to view this, there are loads more programmers now, so finding ones that don’t morally object to working on military training and recruiting games is easier. Also, in the early eighties there was still a ton of war weariness from Vietnam, people in general viewed the military with more ambivalence and in many cases outright hostility. However I think our society, while reducing overall crime and homicide rates, has become more militaristic.
One major modern revelation in the field of military psychology is the observation that this resistance to killing one’s own species is also a key factor in human combat. Brigadier General S.L.A. Marshall first observed this during his work as the Chief Historian of the European Theater of Operations in World War II. Based on his innovative new technique of post-combat interviews, Marshall concluded in his landmark book, Men Against Fire, that only 15 to 20% of the individual riflemen in World War II fired their weapons at an exposed enemy soldier.
Marshall’s findings have been somewhat controversial, but every available, parallel, scholarly study has validated his basic findings. Ardant du Picq’s surveys of French officers in the 1860s and his observations on ancient battles, Keegan and Holmes’ numerous accounts of ineffectual firing throughout history, Paddy Griffith’s data on the extraordinarily low killing rate among Napoleonic and American Civil War regiments, Stouffer’s extensive World War II and post-war research, Richard Holmes’ assessment of Argentine firing rates in the Falklands War, the British Army’s laser reenactments of historical battles, the FBI’s studies of nonfiring rates among low enforcement officers in the 1950s and 1960s, and countless other individual and anecdotal observations, all confirm Marshall’s fundamental conclusion that man is not, by nature, a close-range, interpersonal killer.
The existence of this resistance can be observed in its marked absence in sociopaths who, by definition, feel no empathy or remorse for their fellow human beings. Pit bull dogs have been selectively bred for sociopathy, bred for the absence of the resistance to killing one’s kind in order to ensure that they will perform the unnatural act of killing another dog in battle. Breeding to overcome this limitation in humans is impractical, but humans are very adept at finding mechanical means to overcome natural limitations. Humans were born without the ability to fly, so we found mechanisms that overcame this limitation and enabled flight. Humans also were born without the ability to kill our fellow humans, and so, throughout history, we have devoted great effort to finding a way to overcome this resistance.
49 | Targetpractice Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:09:37pm |
re: #46 Stanley Sea
DF do you want to stop the Lanza’s the Holmes? Well, how?
Sad truth: You can’t. Not all of them. Suppose you find some draconian manner making it perfectly legal to seize all privately owned firearms in the US. Then what? The all-time worst school-related mass killing was done decades ago, with bombs in schools. Harris and Klebold brought propane bombs with them to Columbine and might had done a hell of a lot more damage had they not been amateurs at bomb-making.
There’s always gonna be those folks who slip through the cracks, who don’t get help and who finally decide to take out their misguided anger or hatred on others. Most we can do is try to manage the size of the body count.
50 | William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:10:14pm |
re: #46 Stanley Sea
DF do you want to stop the Lanza’s the Holmes? Well, how?
Sorry but you first. Explain how you think you can stop him - without a constitutional amendment that will never happen short of a civil war - and then we can continue.
You don’t have to _like_ reality but it remains the same either way. The 2nd amendment exists. Either live with it or try to change it. But recognize that changing it would cost as many lives as the last time for far fewer lives saved.
51 | CarleeCork Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:10:22pm |
re: #47 Dark_Falcon
They wouldn’t have prevented this in any case, since it was not Adam Lanza who owned the guns and nothing in his mother’s life would have disqualified her under Instant Check. Checks were run for at least some of her purchases and they came back clean.
Perhaps background checks should include quantity of firearms purchased?
52 | Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:11:01pm |
re: #47 Dark_Falcon
They wouldn’t have prevented this in any case, since it was not Adam Lanza who owned the guns and nothing in his mother’s life would have disqualified her under Instant Check. Checks were run for at least some of her purchases and they came back clean.
No control. No hope. Crazies and angry people have total access in the name of liberty. Good luck.
53 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:11:55pm |
re: #51 CarleeCork
Perhaps background checks should include quantity of firearms purchased?
Not sure how this helps when in both cases one gun did all the damage.
54 | CarleeCork Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:12:08pm |
re: #52 Stanley Sea
Is that really what our Founding Fathers intended? Total access?
55 | CarleeCork Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:13:01pm |
re: #53 goddamnedfrank
Not sure how this helps when in both cases one gun did all the damage.
It wasn’t one gun, it was multiple bullets (over 150) that did the damage.
56 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:13:48pm |
re: #47 Dark_Falcon
They wouldn’t have prevented this in any case, since it was not Adam Lanza who owned the guns and nothing in his mother’s life would have disqualified her under Instant Check.
For that matter would anything have disqualified Lanza himself?
57 | Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:14:42pm |
re: #21 Gus
Click on where it reads “Vimeo.”
You are being saved from a downding, out of kindness…..
58 | freetoken Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:15:25pm |
Controversy peddler Simcha Jacobovici treads slightly more mundane but still profitable waters:
Controversial Filmmaker Claims to Reconstruct Biblical Faces
Ever wonder what you might have looked like thousands of years ago? A new documentary series called Lost Faces of the Bible uses what its proponents call “myth-busting archaeology” as well as cutting edge facial reconstruction to offer a picture of life during Biblical times.
“Delilah,” the first episode of the series, which airs Saturday night on Canada’s Vision TV, reconstructs the head and face of a Philistine woman the show’s producers compare to the Biblical Delilah. The original skull, part of a collection at Tel Aviv University, was from 3,000 years ago. By the end of the program, the skull becomes a vividly-detailed model of a woman’s face that features a prominent nose and an elaborate hairstyle.
“This is the first time ever that Biblical faces are reconstructed much the way that police go to forensic artists to reconstruct a face,” Simcha Jacobovici, the executive producer of the series told The Media Line. “We’ve put flesh to bone on faces of people who actually lived in Biblical times.”
Jacobovici, an award winning filmmaker, is a controversial figure in Israel. One of his films, Brother of Jesus, claimed that the James ossuary, a bone box with an ancient Aramaic inscription that read “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus” was authentic. Scholars and the Israeli authorities claimed the inscription was a fake.
More recently, he produced Nails of the Cross, which claimed that two iron nails excavated by the Israel Antiquities Authority in 1990 were the very nails used to crucify Jesus. In the end, his claim was not that they were the very nails used in the crucifixion, but only that it is “possible” they were. In this case too, say archaeologists, his science is suspect.
[…]
Even in Canada there is plenty of magick-book fixation - just add “Bible” to a show and increase your viewership.
59 | Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:15:46pm |
re: #54 CarleeCork
Is that really what our Founding Fathers intended? Total access?
He’ll no. They were talking about protection against the Brits. Not today’s Interp, (mine) our neighbors
60 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:15:47pm |
re: #55 CarleeCork
It wasn’t one gun, it was multiple bullets that did the damage.
What? All the kids were killed in Newtown by the one AR and in Tucson by the Glock. One gun each time. Lanza killed himself with a second gun, a pistol, but that’s incidental, all the real damage was done by a single firearm.
61 | Targetpractice Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:16:33pm |
re: #56 goddamnedfrank
For that matter would anything have disqualified Lanza himself?
Based on what we’ve heard so far? No. Never admitted to a mental hospital or listed as undergoing treatment, so mental illness wouldn’t show up on a background check. No criminal record that’s been found or alleged, so again he’d pass. Really, the only thing that stopped him when he did try to buy a gun was his refusal to undergo a check.
62 | Gus Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:16:45pm |
re: #57 Dancing along the light of day
You are being saved from a downding, out of kindness…..
WHERE’S THE COVERAGE!!?? Don’t know what you mean.
63 | Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:17:23pm |
re: #56 goddamnedfrank
For that matter would anything have disqualified Lanza himself?
Holy shit. Arsenals not allowed !!??
64 | freetoken Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:17:38pm |
In archeology, the default position appears if one can tie in a major magick-figure then you’ll get more press… which is true:
Ancient site unearthed in Ur, biblical home of Abraham
Myths die hard.
65 | William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:19:57pm |
re: #54 CarleeCork
Is that really what our Founding Fathers intended? Total access?
Despite what many want to believe, yes.
First weapons were different then. But far more important to them was the utter fear they lived with about standing armies. The Crown and Cromwell both had standing armies to enforce their will. The FF really believed that by using a militia model where every freeman owned as much weaponry as was necessary, they could avoid having a standing army. The Revolution, the War of 1812 & the American Civil War all proved, repeatedly and with malice, that the militia concept was not just flawed bud dangerously deadly to a democratic government. The 2nd Amendment remains, none-the-less, to this day enshrining this fallacy of the founding fathers.
They would look at the deaths today and say that, yes, it was a small price to pay to avoid a standing Army. Unfortunately due to the way our nations laws are created, we have the worst of both systems bedeviling us.
66 | Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:20:43pm |
Ok, we’ll just hang tight and hope our neighbor isn’t the next multi round legal gun owner who looses their shit.
Sweet dreams
67 | Amory Blaine Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:23:30pm |
Fucking nutjob at work blasting talking points at me on my way out the door. Obama’s taking our guns to take over America. Round up the Mayday parade blah blah blah. I get so sick of that shit.
68 | CarleeCork Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:23:42pm |
re: #65 William Barnett-Lewis
You really need to read the writings of our FF. They had specific definitions of what a militia consisted of, regardless of what our “Supreme” justices have ruled.
According to our FF, women had no right to bear arms, and neither did men under the age of 16, or over the age of 50.
They were very specific.
PS I want bazookas, missiles and grenades. See where that gets me.
69 | Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:26:34pm |
re: #62 Gus
Can you mail me a linky? I can’t get vimeo to work! And I has a sad!
70 | Interesting Times Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:27:15pm |
re: #67 Amory Blaine
Fucking nutjob at work blasting talking points at me on my way out the door. Obama’s taking our guns to take over America. Round up the Mayday parade blah blah blah. I get so sick of that shit.
Too bad real life doesn’t have an equivalent of Facebook’s “block” feature.
71 | William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:27:38pm |
re: #68 CarleeCork
Excuse me, but I have. The Federalist papers as well as the anti-Federalist papers. I have also read the Militia Acts of 1792 as well. More than a few other documents of interest, to include the manuals used by militias from 1777 through the end of the ACW. Yes, they were quite specific, but I am not sure you understand what that means.
Try again.
72 | CarleeCork Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:29:21pm |
re: #71 William Barnett-Lewis
Excuse me, but I have. The Federalist papers as well as the anti-Federalist papers. I have also read the Militia Acts of 1792 as well. More than a few other documents of interest, to include the manuals used by militias from 1777 through the end of the ACW. Yes, they were quite specific, but I am not sure you understand what that means.
Try again.
So, how did they define a militia? Please share.
73 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:29:32pm |
re: #65 William Barnett-Lewis
Despite what many want to believe, yes.
First weapons were different then. But far more important to them was the utter fear they lived with about standing armies. The Crown and Cromwell both had standing armies to enforce their will. The FF really believed that by using a militia model where every freeman owned as much weaponry as was necessary, they could avoid having a standing army. The Revolution, the War of 1812 & the American Civil War all proved, repeatedly and with malice, that the militia concept was not just flawed bud dangerously deadly to a democratic government. The 2nd Amendment remains, none-the-less, to this day enshrining this fallacy of the founding fathers.
They would look at the deaths today and say that, yes, it was a small price to pay to avoid a standing Army. Unfortunately due to the way our nations laws are created, we have the worst of both systems bedeviling us.
And has been noted here before, by freetoken and myself, the fear generated by Oliver Cromwell’s New Model Army has never entirely gone away in any Anglosphere nation. France has the CRS, and organized force of roit police that live in barracks apart from the population. Neither the US, nor the UK, nor Australia, Canada, nor New Zealand would ever tolerate such a body, and all those nations have legal systems with strong aspects devoted to protected the rights of the citizen against state excesses and reserving law enforcement solely for police and federal agencies, and not for the military.
74 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:32:55pm |
re: #71 William Barnett-Lewis
Excuse me, but I have. The Federalist papers as well as the anti-Federalist papers. I have also read the Militia Acts of 1792 as well. More than a few other documents of interest, to include the manuals used by militias from 1777 through the end of the ACW. Yes, they were quite specific, but I am not sure you understand what that means.
Try again.
To add to that: you don’t have to like the ideas laid out in those documents, folks, or how they came into the Constitution via the 2nd Amendment. But the fact remains that the issue of access to arms was so important that it was written into the fundamental law of the United States. Only a constitutional amendment could excise it, and such an amendment cannot be peacefully passed.
75 | William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:33:42pm |
re: #72 CarleeCork
So, how did they define a militia? Please share.
If you want to know, read the sources.
Or use google. I’ve touched on this far more than once here.
Try to learn what you are able to. Then ask again.
Good night before I get truly furious at the ignorance here.
76 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:34:07pm |
re: #72 CarleeCork
So, how did they define a militia? Please share.
You’re the one who made the assertion. Where in the founding father’s documents is the right to bear arms restricted by gender or age range?
78 | Gus Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:35:25pm |
re: #69 Dancing along the light of day
Can you mail me a linky? I can’t get vimeo to work! And I has a sad!
79 | Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:35:29pm |
Giraffes at the Guggenheim! WOOT!
80 | CarleeCork Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:36:13pm |
re: #75 William Barnett-Lewis
If you want to know, read the sources.
Or use google. I’ve touched on this far more than once here.
Try to learn what you are able to. Then ask again.
Good night before I get truly furious at the ignorance here.
I have two books in my library, I don’t trust google to always be accurate. Try to learn what to trust, then advise again.
Asshole. Don’t assume ignorance.
81 | Gus Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:36:42pm |
re: #79 Dancing along the light of day
Giraffes at the Guggenheim! WOOT!
Looks like the Guggenheim but I wasn’t sure when I saw the pool. :D
82 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:38:17pm |
re: #79 Dancing along the light of day
Giraffes at the Guggenheim! WOOT!
You wouldn’t think they could fit outside of the tallest areas. ;)
83 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:38:53pm |
re: #74 Dark_Falcon
To add to that: you don’t have to like the ideas laid out in those documents, folks, or how they came into the Constitution via the 2nd Amendment. But the fact remains that the issue of access to arms was so important that it was written into the fundamental law of the United States. Only a constitutional amendment could excise it, and such an amendment cannot be peacefully passed.
If it ever came to pass that tho-thirds of the House and Senate and three fourths of the states are in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment then it would happen more or less peacefully, because that would mean popular support was overwhelmingly behind repeal. So it’s more a matter of practicality, not going to happen for quite a long time yet.
84 | Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:38:59pm |
It’s slower than bejeezus to load, but I am loving it!
85 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:39:41pm |
86 | Gus Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:41:19pm |
re: #84 Dancing along the light of day
It’s slower than bejeezus to load, but I am loving it!
If you click on HD it turns off HD.
87 | Gus Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:41:29pm |
Laguna Beach Soundtrack - “Atherton - California”: youtu.be/cfs_cnsFr_8— Gus (@Gus_802) April 5, 2013
88 | Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:41:58pm |
Pool is an Olympic one, see the underwater window? And the height of the diving board? I’d be so askeered to dive!
89 | Walking Spanish Down the Hall Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:42:24pm |
re: #50 William Barnett-Lewis
Sorry but you first. Explain how you think you can stop him - without a constitutional amendment that will never happen short of a civil war - and then we can continue.
You don’t have to _like_ reality but it remains the same either way. The 2nd amendment exists. Either live with it or try to change it. But recognize that changing it would cost as many lives as the last time for far fewer lives saved.
The difference between the US and other countries is in the attitude toward guns. Countries like Canada have fairly high gun ownership but lack the love affair Americans seem to have with lightweight, rapid fire, killing tools. As was done with cigarettes, that gun culture has to be denormalized.
Small, seemingly ineffective steps like banning large capacity clips and toughening up background checks will start the ball rolling toward that denormalization. The NRA knows this, which is why they’ve adopted the publicity tactics of the anti-AGW groups.
91 | Lidane Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:44:20pm |
Evening, Lizards!
I am currently toasting the last few minutes of my 30’s with a nice Moscato wine. Where the hell did the time go? It’s hard to believe I’ve made it this far. Here’s to the next decade. :)
92 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:46:38pm |
re: #83 goddamnedfrank
If it ever came to pass that tho-thirds of the House and Senate and three fourths of the states are in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment then it would happen more or less peacefully, because that would mean popular support was overwhelmingly in favor. So it’s more a matter of practicality, not going to happen for quite a long time yet.
True, that’s the best way to put it. Amending the Constitution requires overwhelming support, by design (inevitable given some of the balancing acts the document contains (especially as originally written)).
93 | CarleeCork Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:46:39pm |
re: #85 goddamnedfrank
Then quote from them. Raw assertions are lame.
You made the ASSertion that the 2nd Amendment granted the absolute right of gun ownership to women and children. You need to provide the proof.
I find that amazing since women weren’t allowed the right to vote until 1920.
94 | freetoken Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:47:21pm |
95 | Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:52:30pm |
re: #94 freetoken
I always loved the bumpersticker
“Welcome to California, now go home”
(But, Gus could stay)
96 | Gus Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:55:15pm |
Oasis - Wonderwall: youtu.be/9DvRCykzHy4— Gus (@Gus_802) April 5, 2013
97 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:56:12pm |
re: #89 Walking Spanish Down the Hall
The difference between the US and other countries is in the attitude toward guns. Countries like Canada have fairly high gun ownership but lack the love affair Americans seem to have with lightweight, rapid fire, killing tools. As was done with cigarettes, that gun culture has to be denormalized.
Small, seemingly ineffective steps like banning large capacity clips and toughening up background checks will start the ball rolling toward that denormalization.
Handguns are responsible for more than 80% of firearms crime. In the tobacco analogy small, seemingly ineffective steps would be the equivalent of focusing on hookahs and snuff. That’s not what actually happened though, activists went straight to the meat of the problem, cigarettes, because they wanted to be effective instead of ineffective. The anti smoking forces realized that being ineffective was a sucky strategy.
Canada has no capacity limit on magazines designed for rimfire rifles and exempts rimfire rifles from their assault weapons law. Canada focused on handguns from the beginning because they wanted their policy to be effective, not sucky.
98 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 4, 2013 9:57:15pm |
re: #93 CarleeCork
You made the ASSertion that the 2nd Amendment granted the absolute right of gun ownership to women and children.
No I didn’t. Do fuck off now.
99 | CarleeCork Thu, Apr 4, 2013 10:01:56pm |
re: #98 goddamnedfrank
No I didn’t. Do fuck off now.
Yes you did. Are you now backpedaling and saying our FF did NOT include women and children as part of a militia?
And that was just ugly, you fuck off.
100 | Varek Raith Thu, Apr 4, 2013 10:05:16pm |
Hannity On Rutgers Coach: ‘I Kind Of Like Old-Fashioned Discipline’
Excellent!
I’ll stop by your studio and chuck basketballs at you.
101 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 4, 2013 10:06:27pm |
re: #99 CarleeCork
Yes you did. Are you now backpedaling and saying our FF did NOT include women and children as part of a militia?
You must be confusing me with either WBLIII or DF. You made the first assertion regarding the founding fathers in re: #68. Then you said, cryptically that you had two books in your library. At this point you can either quote from your sources or not, I really couldn’t care less in light of your acting like such a sniveling dumbshit.
103 | CarleeCork Thu, Apr 4, 2013 10:16:38pm |
re: #101 goddamnedfrank
You must be confusing me with either WBLIII or DF. You made the first assertion regarding the founding fathers in re: #68. Then you said, cryptically that you had two books in your library. At this point you can either quote from your sources or not, I really couldn’t care less in light of your acting like such a sniveling dumbshit.
I have the writings of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. I am not going to waste my time trying to convince you that women were allowed to be members of a militia before they were allowed the right to vote or own property.
Dumbass.
106 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 4, 2013 10:24:13pm |
re: #103 CarleeCork
I have the writings of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. I am not going to waste my time trying to convince you that women were allowed to be members of a militia before they were allowed the right to vote or own property.
Dumbass.
I never made any assertion whatsoever. I asked you one question in re: #76 regarding the RTBA, not the militia, although I take it now that you conflate the two. I am not William Barnett-Lewis who actually claimed to have read the Federalist Papers, Militia Acts, etc and called you out. If you don’t even know who you’re talking to why should anybody take your raw assertions about the contents of your library seriously?
107 | Gus Thu, Apr 4, 2013 10:37:17pm |
Jerry Reed - East Bound and Down: youtu.be/uHZJej98_T0— Gus (@Gus_802) April 5, 2013
108 | freetoken Thu, Apr 4, 2013 10:38:20pm |
Cugat, from his days with RCA, when they had pioneered some better recording practices:
109 | Gus Thu, Apr 4, 2013 10:41:43pm |
re: #108 freetoken
Cugat, from his days with RCA, when they had pioneered some better recording practices:
[Embedded content]
Joe Stampley - Roll on Big Mama
110 | Gus Thu, Apr 4, 2013 10:43:25pm |
I ended up in Colorado because of Colin Fletcher, Ansel Adams, and Joe Stampley.
113 | Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 4, 2013 11:19:17pm |
Just because!
115 | Single-handed sailor Fri, Apr 5, 2013 12:19:44am |
re: #72 CarleeCork
So, how did they define a militia? Please share.
I don’t recall where I got this, it could very well have come from someone here. This is the Massachusetts Militia Laws from 1807.
116 | wheat-dogghazi Fri, Apr 5, 2013 12:31:41am |
re: #114 freetoken
¡Me gusta mucho! ¿Quién es la cantadora?
118 | freetoken Fri, Apr 5, 2013 12:33:52am |
119 | Amory Blaine Fri, Apr 5, 2013 12:34:24am |
Spill the Blood on acoustic. Gewurztraminer spritzers.
120 | wheat-dogghazi Fri, Apr 5, 2013 12:37:46am |
121 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 5, 2013 12:39:31am |
re: #115 Single-handed sailor
I don’t recall where I got this, it could very well have come from someone here. This is the Massachusetts Militia Laws from 1807.
Still haven’t seen anywhere where membership in a militia is a prerequisite for one to possess the RTBA. In fact the 2nd is constructed the other way around, the “right of the people to bear arms” is presented as a prerequisite for a well regulated (which has been shown to mean “properly functioning” in other period literature) militia, which is in turn “necessary for the security of a free state.” The fact that it’s written the way it is, corollary first antecedant second, doesn’t change any honest diagram of the sentence.
122 | wheat-dogghazi Fri, Apr 5, 2013 12:55:14am |
re: #117 freetoken
I found her on Soundcloud. Thanks for the intro! I like her style.
123 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 5, 2013 1:13:23am |
Gun ownership is particularly high compared to other common items. For example, in 813 itemized male inventories from the 1774 Jones national database, guns are listed in 54% of estates, compared to only 30% of estates listing any cash, 14% listing swords or edged weapons, 25% listing Bibles, 62% listing any book, and 79% listing any clothes. Using hierarchical loglinear modeling, the authors show that guns are more common in early American inventories where the decedent was male, Southern, rural, slave-owning, or above the lowest social class-or where the inventories were more detailed.The picture of gun ownership that emerges from these analyses substantially contradicts the assertions of Michael Bellesiles in Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture (Arming America). Contrary to Arming America’s claims about probate inventories in seventeenth and eighteenth-century America, there were high numbers of guns, guns were much more common than
swords or other edged weapons, women in 1774 owned guns at rates (18%) higher than Bellesiles claimed men did in 1765-1790 (14.7%), and 87-91% of gun-owning estates listed at least one gun that was not old or broken.
In fact single women and widows could, and did own property in the 1700s and 1800s, it was married women who had to surrender control of everything to their husbands (which, yes, was fucked up.) I don’t know where this myth that only militia members could legally own guns came from, but it’s utterly wrong.
1700s-early 1800s: Under common law, an unmarried woman can own property, make a contract and sue or be sued. A married woman gives up her name and all her property to her husband.
See, citing sources is easy. There’s really no reason to refuse to, unless you can’t.
125 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 5, 2013 2:52:50am |
Wha?
Power for the cooling system for a storage pool for fuel was restored after a two-hour break at reactor No. 3, and there was no immediate danger from the breakdown, according to Tokyo Electric Power Co., the utility that operates Fukushima Dai-ichi in northeastern Japan.
Work to put up nets to keep out rats and other animals at Fukushima Dai-ichi plant in northeastern Japan inadvertently caused the power outage, TEPCO spokesman Akitsuka Kobayashi said. Details were not clear, and the outage was still under investigation.
A dead rat found near a switchboard was suspected of the power outage last month that led to a cooling system not working for two days at the plant.
I kind of wonder how seriously Japan is taking this whole thing. As fucked up as the Soviet Union’s response to Chernobyl was, at least they cleared the low hurdle of not having their response plan get all bunged up by rats, and they were busy at the time totally imploding as a nation. At this point I sort of expected Japan to have a game plan for dealing with another earthquake and tsunami hitting the region, maybe some kind of massive sea wall or sarcophagus or something. Instead they’re putting up rat netting.
126 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 2:53:25am |
re: #89 Walking Spanish Down the Hall
The difference between the US and other countries is in the attitude toward guns.
Guns are seen by many not just as tools or recreational toys: they are a fetishistic symbol of the Triumph of Good over Evil and of Patiots over Tyrants.
Cold Dead Hands and all that, you know…
Good luck in even trying to have a rational discussion about them, much less take reasonable action on them.
127 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 5, 2013 3:31:11am |
re: #48 goddamnedfrank
Most of the studies of soldiers firing to miss have been severely criticized and aren’t really to be taken as solid fact.
128 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 3:37:50am |
re: #127 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Most of the studies of soldiers firing to miss have been severely criticized and aren’t really to be taken as solid fact.
A lot of it has to do with their inability to hit anything even if they were aiming at it in the first place…
129 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 5, 2013 3:50:51am |
re: #128 Sol Berdinowitz
A lot of it has to do with their inability to hit anything even if they were aiming at it in the first place…
It’s hard to shoot things.
Found some fucking awesome zippos from Vietnam though:
130 | freetoken Fri, Apr 5, 2013 3:58:41am |
I see one of the outrages du jour will be Obama’s remarks about Kamala Harris.
Are we entertained yet?
131 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 4:31:55am |
LOL DERP FAIL
Lmao @ #libs. “That #Obama sign in your yard might as well say ‘Yes, I’m stupid.’” #tcot #tgdn #Conservative twitter.com/JamieLee0817/s…— Jamie (@JamieLee0817) April 5, 2013
132 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 4:42:33am |
MOAR DERP
You know who would oppose fathers marrying sons? Big government types. Keep them from getting their hands on estate taxes.— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) April 5, 2013
133 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 4:43:42am |
re: #132 Vicious Babushka
You know who would oppose fathers marrying sons? Big government types. Keep them from getting their hands on estate taxes.
Well, at least he has gotten off the animal f*cking thing and moved on to incest…
134 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 5, 2013 4:55:00am |
re: #123 goddamnedfrank
In fact single women and widows could, and did own property in the 1700s and 1800s, it was married women who had to surrender control of everything to their husbands (which, yes, was fucked up.) I don’t know where this myth that only militia members could legally own guns came from, but it’s utterly wrong.
See, citing sources is easy. There’s really no reason to refuse to, unless you can’t.
GDF, You did good work last night, but your use of material that takes down Michael Bellesiles was perhaps your best moment. Thank you for that.
BBT
135 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:04:52am |
Good morning all. I see GDF & DF were more willing to engage than I was last night.
136 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:08:09am |
Remember when the Allies lost WWII because the M1 Garand rifle only held 8 rounds and the M1911 pistol only held 7?
137 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:11:24am |
Actually there are more than a few recorded instances where troops died because of the low capacity and the enblock clip design of the M1 Garand. While it was the best available semi-auto battle rifle at the time, it did have it’s flaws and low capacity was one of them. This was especially true in the battles in North-West Europe.
138 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:14:28am |
re: #137 William Barnett-Lewis
Actually there are more than a few recorded instances where troops died because of the low capacity and the enblock clip design of the M1 Garand. While it was the best available semi-auto battle rifle at the time, it did have it’s flaws and low capacity was one of them. This was especially true in the battles in North-West Europe.
Main flaw being that it was a block clip, you could not top it up during a lull in the shooting.
The BAR suffered from small (20-shot) magazines, but larger magazines would have led to overheating unless it had been equipped with an interchangeable barrel.
139 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:14:50am |
re: #137 William Barnett-Lewis
Actually there are more than a few recorded instances where troops died because of the low capacity and the enblock clip design of the M1 Garand. While it was the best available semi-auto battle rifle at the time, it did have it’s flaws and low capacity was one of them. This was especially true in the battles in North-West Europe.
Low-capacity is relative since a KAR98 could only hold five.
140 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:23:46am |
*FACE PALM*
Newtown Connecticut: Now officially the most unpatriotic place in all of the USA #tgdn #tcot #UniteBlue— PaleolithiCon .026% (@bitterclingerpa) April 5, 2013
141 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:23:52am |
re: #138 Sol Berdinowitz
Main flaw being that it was a block clip, you could not top it up during a lull in the shooting.
LOL, okay. I love people who’s entire knowledge about period firearms comes from playing Medal of Honor and other WWII FPS games.
142 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:25:07am |
DERP
Because Canada defines “Crimes against persons” differently than US.
Canada has 2x as many rape victims as the US.How’s that gun control working out for women in Canada? #NRA is.gd/qLeI8H #TGDN— End Gun Free Zones (@GunFreeZones) April 5, 2013
143 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:26:34am |
re: #141 goddamnedfrank
LOL, okay. I love people who’s entire knowledge about period firearms comes from playing Medal of Honor and other WWII FPS games.
I just read about WWII a lot.
144 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:27:44am |
Alex Jones’ Infowars.com courageously asks the question the NWO-controlled lamestream media won’t touch:
145 | palomino Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:29:00am |
re: #50 William Barnett-Lewis
Sorry but you first. Explain how you think you can stop him - without a constitutional amendment that will never happen short of a civil war - and then we can continue.
You don’t have to _like_ reality but it remains the same either way. The 2nd amendment exists. Either live with it or try to change it. But recognize that changing it would cost as many lives as the last time for far fewer lives saved.
WTF? This country’s not going to have a civil war with a million deaths over stricter gun laws. Why you’re echoing the patriot movement’s fantasy predictions of civil war I have no idea. The underlying cultural split was totally different 150 years ago, comparisons to the Civil War are misplaced.
146 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:33:11am |
re: #145 palomino
WTF? This country’s not going to have a civil war with a million deaths over stricter gun laws. Why you’re echoing the patriot movement’s fantasy predictions of civil war I have no idea. The underlying cultural split was totally different 150 years ago, comparisons to the Civil War are misplaced.
There are thousands of nuts out there looking for an excuse to get out there and use all that pent-up firepower they have stored in their basements. They will hang it on any “cause” that presents itself.
147 | palomino Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:34:51am |
re: #30 Targetpractice
Personally think we’re approaching the argument over magazine size from the wrong angle. Arguing Newtown over the grounds of hypotheticals, i.e. what might have happened had the proposed laws been in effect, is snarled with the inability to go back and actually test. Better instead to focus such arguments on the facts that we do have, namely that states that have strict gun control laws have lower rates of gun-related deaths than states with looser laws.
Same thing applies when comparing nations to one another.
But maybe that’s all just a coincidence.
For some reason the NRA’s argument runs along these lines: gun restrictions, magazine limits, background checks, etc. probably won’t fully solve the problem, so let’s do nothing. Yes, it’s the great can’t-do American spirit in action. (“Might not work, why bother trying.” -Orville and Wilbur Wright)
148 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:36:18am |
re: #143 Sol Berdinowitz
I just read about WWII a lot.
You know how I know you’ve never actually held or shot a Garand? The whole can’t be topped off myth was created by game designers trying to force multiplayer weapon balance. You can in fact discharge a partially spent Garand clip, that’s what the button on the side of the receiver just left of the bolt does, hold the bolt back and press the button to eject. You can also hold the bolt back and insert single rounds to top off. It is true that it’s easier to shoot a Garand empty and then reload, but then it always is with all firearms because in real life extractors don’t know when not to fling an unfired round into the dirt and magazines don’t magically refill themselves from a single pool of ammunition.
149 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:36:29am |
re: #147 palomino
For some reason the NRA’s argument runs along these lines: gun restrictions, magazine limits, background checks, etc. probably won’t fully solve the problem, so let’s do nothing. Yes, it’s the great can’t-do American spirit in action. (“Might not work, why bother trying.” -Orville and Wilbur Wright)
It is not an argument, it is just blustering, obfusticating and doing everything it can to stop any reasonable steps towards gun control legistlation.
150 | palomino Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:39:14am |
re: #146 Sol Berdinowitz
There are thousands of nuts out there looking for an excuse to get out there and use all that pent-up firepower they have stored in their basements. They will hang it on any “cause” that presents itself.
Oh, I have no doubt that there would be carnage. But to compare it to the nation’s bloodiest conflict is a huge overstatement. The gun nuts have no organization, no army, they’re mostly older and not trained for combat. This isn’t a situation where two militaries will duke it out over the course of years leading to a million deaths.
It’s more a situation where a bunch of gun nuts will get themselves and others killed. Which wouldn’t be a civil war; it would be a politically motivated crime spree, also known as domestic terrorism.
151 | sagehen Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:40:17am |
Jobs numbers are in. THEY SUCK.
88,000 new jobs for March.
152 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:41:45am |
re: #139 Feline Fearless Leader
Low-capacity is relative since a KAR98 could only hold five.
Squad level tactical decisions drove many of these choices.
Kar98 was seen simply as a defense for the Squad’s real firepower, the MG34 whereas in the US squad, the rifleman was seen as the real base of firepower and was only supported by the BAR or M1919 as needed.
By the end of the war the Germans were rapidly abandoning that model for something closer to the US model based on the StG-44 with it fully automatic capability and it’s large 30 round magazines. During the Bulge battles, for example, is when those capabilities showed up the flaws of the M1 Garand.
153 | lawhawk Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:44:43am |
re: #151 sagehen
Full rundown. Bad numbers generally for March, but the January and February figures were significantly revised upwards:
The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for January was revised from +119,000 to +148,000, and the change for February was revised from +236,000 to +268,000.
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154 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:46:19am |
re: #150 palomino
Oh, I have no doubt that there would be carnage.
I am more worried about a major-major natural and/or man-made catastrophe, especially one that calls for the government summoning the National Guard…there will most certainly be goombahs out there taking potshots at the “occupation forces”.
155 | lawhawk Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:51:14am |
re: #140 Vicious Babushka
Well, his twitter name identifies him correctly. He’s stuck in the Paleolithic.
156 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:54:17am |
re: #148 goddamnedfrank
You know how I know you’ve never actually held or shot a garand? The whole can’t be topped off myth was created by game designers trying to create multiplayer weapon balance. You can in fact discharge a partially spent Garand clip, that’s what the button on the side of the receiver just left of the bolt does, hold the bolt back and press the button to eject. You can also hold the bolt back and insert single rounds to top off. It is true that it’s easier to shoot a Garand empty and then reload, but then it always is with all firearms because in real life extractors don’t know when not to fling an unfired round into the dirt and magazines don’t magically refill themselves from a single pool of ammunition.
Actually, it was a criticism made about the design when it was initially offered in competition for becoming the main US infantry rifle. Along with the usual concerns about an infantryman just shooting off all his ammo as quickly as possible and then retreating.
(Which has probably been a criticism about any man-portable missile system since the sling. :P )
157 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Apr 5, 2013 5:57:03am |
re: #136 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
Remember when the Allies lost WWII because the M1 Garand rifle only held 8 rounds and the M1911 pistol only held 7?
My Colt 1911 still only holds 7 in the factory mag, tho’ I did purchase a couple 10 round mags but they mess up the profile of the guns what with that little extra poking out the bottom of the grip. But I got them for practice shooting at the range/dads farm anyway so it doesn’t matter.
158 | lawhawk Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:01:52am |
re: #125 goddamnedfrank
It’s about TEPCO. The problem has always been about TEPCO and its incompetence in handling emergencies at its facilities. The government oversight is lacking, but it looks like TEPCO simply can’t deal with basics. Multiple power outages because rodents have chewed through wiring? Seriously? That’s the excuse they’re giving?
Now, consider the alternative - that they don’t know why the backups are failing or improper procedures/materials were used. That’s far more damning actually.
159 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:04:33am |
re: #158 lawhawk
It’s about TEPCO. The problem has always been about TEPCO and its incompetence in handling emergencies at its facilities. The government oversight is lacking, but it looks like TEPCO simply can’t deal with basics. Multiple power outages because rodents have chewed through wiring? Seriously? That’s the excuse they’re giving?
Now, consider the alternative - that they don’t know why the backups are failing or improper procedures/materials were used. That’s far more damning actually.
Why do you hate the Free Market?
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160 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:04:59am |
re: #156 Feline Fearless Leader
Actually, it was a criticism made about the design when it was initially offered in competition for becoming the main US infantry rifle. Along with the usual concerns about an infantryman just shooting off all his ammo as quickly as possible and then retreating.
(Which has probably been a criticism about any man-portable missile system since the sling. :P )
The original design by Mr. Garand used a 10 round enblock clip of .276 Peterson cartridges which would have been the first modern intermediate cartridge had we adopted it. It would have been far more effective, in both Europe and the Pacific, than the over powered .30-06 or the under powered .30 Carbine.
However, in yet another display of his shortsightedness & incompetence, Chief of Staff MacArthur refused to allow the .276 project to go forward due to the stockpiles of ammunition left over from WWI. As a result, Garand redesigned his rifle - making it much bigger & heavier in the process - to fire the .30-06 in an 8 round enblock clip instead. It’s a fascinating look at “what might have been”. Only the possibility that we could have avoided both the M14 & M16 disasters by adopting the FAL in 7mm Nato in the ‘50’s comes close.
161 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:06:23am |
I just took the corporate Sharepoint Site Administrator Training and now I am a certified Sharepoint Site Administrator!
Actually I was a Sharepoint Site Admin 2 years ago without having to watch this silly Powerpoint presentation, but now everybody has to go through it.
162 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:10:18am |
CurtisK (@zonkerpa) tweeted at 5:56 AM on Fri, Apr 05, 2013:#NRA plan to arm teachers is absurd. #UniteBlue twitter.com/ZonkerPA/statu…— Poppa/Willie (@PoppaWillie) April 5, 2013
163 | lawhawk Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:11:00am |
re: #161 Vicious Babushka
Oh good. So now if I have a question about SP, I know who to come to! :)
164 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:14:17am |
re: #160 William Barnett-Lewis
The original design by Mr. Garand used a 10 round enblock clip of .276 Peterson cartridges which would have been the first modern intermediate cartridge had we adopted it. It would have been far more effective, in both Europe and the Pacific, than the over powered .30-06 or the under powered .30 Carbine.
However, in yet another display of his shortsightedness & incompetence, Chief of Staff MacArthur refused to allow the .276 project to go forward due to the stockpiles of ammunition left over from WWI. As a result, Garand redesigned his rifle - making it much bigger & heavier in the process - to fire the .30-06 in an 8 round enblock clip instead. It’s a fascinating look at “what might have been”. Only the possibility that we could have avoided both the M14 & M16 disasters by adopting the FAL in 7mm Nato in the ‘50’s comes close.
Supposedly there was resistance to the STG-44 design in Germany due in part to the huge stocks of 8mm Mauser (7.92mm) that they had. Though you’d expect that you could use them in the MGs — but then you get the lovely logistics issue of needing separate ammo for your rifle and squad MG.* (Not to mention SMGs if your squad has them. Plus blank rounds if you are using rifle grenades. And rounds for you bazooka, 60mm mortar, etc. etc. etc.)
* - Which the US got with the M16/M60 combo until the SAW came out.
165 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:15:27am |
re: #161 Vicious Babushka
I just took the corporate Sharepoint Site Administrator Training and now I am a certified Sharepoint Site Administrator!
Actually I was a Sharepoint Site Admin 2 years ago without having to watch this silly Powerpoint presentation, but now everybody has to go through it.
Does your company website Sharepoint pages now get a little Babushka-Cat icon in the corner? ;)
166 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:16:11am |
re: #156 Feline Fearless Leader
Actually, it was a criticism made about the design when it was initially offered in competition for becoming the main US infantry rifle.
How serious can a criticism be that isn’t rooted in reality? Anyway the internal magazine was mandated by the ordnance board itself and the only other serious competition, the Pederson rifle, also used an en bloc clip. The Thompson Auto-rifle used an external box magazine, but washed out early as a genuine hazard to anybody in the path of the ejected brass.
re: #160 William Barnett-Lewis
However, in yet another display of his shortsightedness & incompetence, Chief of Staff MacArthur refused to allow the .276 project to go forward due to the stockpiles of ammunition left over from WWI. As a result, Garand redesigned his rifle - making it much bigger & heavier in the process - to fire the .30-06 in an 8 round enblock clip instead. It’s a fascinating look at “what might have been”. Only the possibility that we could have avoided both the M14 & M16 disasters by adopting the FAL in 7mm Nato in the ‘50’s comes close.
If Pederson’s ammunition hadn’t required a lubricated coating it might have been adopted, probably a good thing that nobody had to find out how well it held up in South Pacific heat and grime.
167 | lawhawk Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:17:26am |
re: #162 Vicious Babushka
The absurdity isn’t the arming of teachers, placing armed security guards in schools. That’s plenty bad enough, but the absurd part is that the NRA wants background checks on anyone who they want to put into those security roles.
If background checks are needed for security positions in school, and are necessary conditions, why the continued opposition to universal background checks now after backing them as they back in 1999 when LaPierre went before Congress and indicated NRA support for universal background checks.
Of course, since then, the NRA has done everything possible to block the most sensible measures that could keep guns out of the hands of those who shouldn’t have them.
Fearmongering is what the NRA does. They cater to the most paranoid, feeding the delusion by purposefully misstating the purpose of the background checks, how the current background check system works, and that federal law specifically prohibits creating a database based on sales - it doesn’t create permanent records.
And at the same time, GOPers complain about the lack of federal prosecutions of those who the current background checks reject - ignoring that they’ve cut DOJ budgets and shifted DOJ priorities to counter-terrorism and other matters, limiting how much the DOJ can do. Moreover, federal prosecutions will frequently take a back seat to local prosecutions, especially if the local/state law imposes higher penalties. Why do a federal prosecution if the locality can get a higher criminal sanction (eg. federal law says up to 5 yrs for crime X, but the state law imposes 5-10).
168 | darthstar Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:17:33am |
re: #47 Dark_Falcon
They wouldn’t have prevented this in any case, since it was not Adam Lanza who owned the guns and nothing in his mother’s life would have disqualified her under Instant Check. Checks were run for at least some of her purchases and they came back clean.
Adam Lanza was 20 years old and living at home. Those guns were as much his as they were his mother’s. He was an adult in the eyes of the law. He could have, and very likely had, bought many of the magazines he carried himself because he was an adult, in the eyes of the law. His mother bought the guns, yes. When I was young my parents bought guns, and they’d say, “Treat it with respect when you use it.” because they knew and accepted that it was household property, not just their responsibility, but the responsibility of anyone who handled the weapons (and yes, all guns are weapons, period).
Stop blaming his mother. She was a victim too…of guns she purchased for her son. Legally.
And yes, Stanley’s right. The murder of these kids was committed with legal means (even if the act itself is against the law).
169 | darthstar Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:19:52am |
re: #125 goddamnedfrank
Oh, blame the dead rat…right. Billions of dollars in technology and one dead rodent is what brought the whole thing down. God we’re fucking pathetic…how did we ever make it to the top of the food chain. A dead rat. Jesus.
171 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:22:00am |
re: #168 darthstar
And yes, Stanley’s right. The murder of these kids was committed with legal means (even if the act itself is against the law).
By this measure aren’t pretty much all murders committed by legal means?
172 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:22:17am |
re: #166 goddamnedfrank
re: #160 William Barnett-Lewis
If Pederson’s ammunition hadn’t required a lubricated coating it might have been adopted, probably a good thing that nobody had to find out how well it held up in South Pacific heat and grime.
I do think that had the project moved ahead, a different way of dealing with that, perhaps the fluted chambers of later designs, would have been found. Garand and Pederson were both genius designers on the level of Browning or Saive but not as well known.
173 | lawhawk Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:22:58am |
re: #168 darthstar
The Newtown massacre points out a couple of things.
If lawful owners are limited to 10 round max clips, the shooter’s mother would probably have complied and limited the rounds available. That could have potentially reduced the death toll. That’s the rationale behind the CT firearms law they just enacted.
Background checks wouldn’t have prevented this particular event, but it could prevent others. Again, the CT firearms law now requires universal checks.
If these measures reduce the amount of gun violence - whether it’s murders, shootings (and all the related health care costs), or suicides, they’ve done their job.
And none of these firearms laws violates anyone’s 2d Amendment rights. They still can own firearms legally. They can still purchase as many as they want in their lifetimes. They can stockpile and run on ammo to their budget’s desire.
Everything the NRA is doing to oppose these measures is obstructionism and pandering to the paranoid.
174 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:25:06am |
re: #166 goddamnedfrank
How serious can a criticism be that isn’t rooted in reality? Anyway the internal magazine was mandated by the ordnance board itself and the only other serious competition, the Pederson rifle, also used an en bloc clip. The Thompson Auto-rifle used an external box magazine, but washed out early as a genuine hazard to anybody in the path of the ejected brass.
re: #160 William Barnett-Lewis
If Pederson’s ammunition hadn’t required a lubricated coating it might have been adopted, probably a good thing that nobody had to find out how well it held up in South Pacific heat and grime.
Good question. But I pointed it out mainly as something that was said at the time and is not simply something from modern computer games. I think it was just part of the “rifleman” fixation in the 1900-40 period that a few armies had. (US and UK for instance.) Accurate and relatively slow fire (topping off a round at a time), with the capability of having 5-10 rounds if something like a “mad minute” is needed. The Lee-Enfield and Springfield 1903 fit this methodology fairly well.
Though it is obvious the US Army wanted something better by the 1930s since they did the competition that led to the Garand.
175 | darthstar Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:25:28am |
re: #173 lawhawk
And none of these firearms laws violates anyone’s 2d Amendment rights. They still can own firearms legally. They can still purchase as many as they want in their lifetimes. They can stockpile and run on ammo to their budget’s desire.
Everything the NRA is doing to oppose these measures is obstructionism and pandering to the paranoid.
I know. It’s pretty pathetic. And why anyone would want to defend the NRA is beyond me.
176 | wheat-dogghazi Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:30:15am |
OT, but this just in.
A federal judge has ordered the FDA to allow over-the-counter sales of the morning-after pill to any woman (or girl), regardless of age.
Expect the right wing to explode in anger any minute now.
177 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:30:16am |
re: #175 darthstar
I know. It’s pretty pathetic. And why anyone would want to defend the NRA is beyond me.
Because we cannot have a rational debate about guns. They are a fetish symbol of the Trimph of Good over Evil and of Patriotism over Tyranny.
To support gun control is to support Evil and Tyranny over Good and Patriotism.
End of discussion, start of shouting match.
179 | lawhawk Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:31:52am |
@jrubinblogger GOP made 2012 about Obamacare - and lost: lost presidential election, lost seats in Congress? Wanna try that again?— lawhawk (@lawhawk) April 5, 2013
180 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:31:54am |
Hmm…
Scott Brown contemplating US Senate run. In New Hampshire.
181 | darthstar Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:32:19am |
re: #171 goddamnedfrank
By this measure aren’t pretty much all murders committed by legal means?
Adam Lanza was a legal owner of the weapon in the eyes of the law. Had he not killed his mother, she would not be facing charges. As assault rifles aren’t registered, she could, if she could speak, say that the weapons were his. But as assault rifles aren’t registered, those who seek to defend the NRA try to water down this tragedy with the weak argument that Adam Lanza stole property he already posessed. As if the possibility that he acquired the weapons illegally makes any difference at all.
182 | darthstar Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:34:30am |
re: #180 Feline Fearless Leader
Hmm…
Scott Brown contemplating US Senate run. In New Hampshire.
He’s got a truck. He knows how to get there.
183 | darthstar Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:36:22am |
re: #177 Sol Berdinowitz
Because we cannot have a rational debate about guns. They are a fetish symbol of the Trimph of Good over Evil and of Patriotism over Tyranny.
To support gun control is to support Evil and Tyranny over Good and Patriotism.
End of discussion, start of shouting match.
We can, but there’s a big gap between all or nothing. And where’s the compromise? What will anti-gun people give up in return? Playstations?
184 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:36:59am |
I just “love” it when interfering Christians tell me who’s pro-Jewish and who isn’t.
whitehousedossier.com/2013/04/05/whi… Tell me again why most Jews voted for Obama when he disses them? #tcot #tgdn #lnyhbt #pjnet— Kim(@luckycat76) April 5, 2013
185 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:37:02am |
re: #173 lawhawk
If these measures reduce the amount of gun violence - whether it’s murders, shootings (and all the related health care costs), or suicides, they’ve done their job.
And if they don’t and the intentional homicide rate and gun crime rates climb from current historic lows? Up or down I’m not sure this is the right measure, background checks are just good policy no matter what, but we shouldn’t kid ourselves, we’ve done nothing about handguns which are the real crux of the problem.
186 | Varek Raith Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:37:17am |
187 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:40:55am |
Do they ever do pleasant stories for NPR’s Storycorps?
188 | RadicalModerate Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:41:40am |
Breaking news - and one that is going to cause a complete meltdown on rightwing sites everywhere:
Judge orders morning-after pill available without prescription
(CNN) — A federal judge in Brooklyn has ordered the FDA to make the morning-after birth control pill available over the counter to people of any age without a prescription, overturning a decision by Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to require a prescription for girls under 17 years old.
The FDA said it couldn’t comment because it is an ongoing legal mater.
The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists recommended last year that oral contraceptives be sold over the counter without a prescription in an effort to reduce the number of unintended pregnancies in the United States. Opponents of prescription requirements say prescriptions can delay access to the drug.
189 | darthstar Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:41:55am |
Okay…I just heard about Grumpy Cat (who doesn’t look all that grumpy) and don’t get the big deal…but this is pretty funny.
190 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:45:18am |
re: #184 Vicious Babushka
Tell me again why most Jews voted for Obama when he disses them?
This is just another RW talking point along with “How can blacks continue to vote for Democrats, the party of the KKK and George Wallace?”
191 | lawhawk Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:45:47am |
Shop that sold gun to mother of Newtown shooter loses its license huff.to/16wI40m— HuffPost Politics (@HuffPostPol) April 5, 2013
The report at HuffPo doesn’t quite explain why, and some will claim that this is due to the Newtown shooting, but this particular store had all kinds of inventory problems - thefts and unaccounted missing weapons.
192 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:46:35am |
re: #191 lawhawk
The report at HuffPo doesn’t quite explain why, and some will claim that this is due to the Newtown shooting, but this particular store had all kinds of inventory problems - thefts and unaccounted missing weapons.
Further proof of an Obama coverup, obviously.
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193 | Political Atheist Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:47:18am |
re: #185 goddamnedfrank
Ordinary handguns are not going to be banned. Capacity and rate of fire limits will apply. But I see no reason to discount ordinary law enforcement actions as the best solution for a lot of the gun violence. The drug and gang side of things for instance. Cut that violence via better drug policy and strong anti gang actions and you are heading in exactly the right direction.
You make a great point. The vast majority of gun deaths are not these aberrational mass shooting. They are the one or two here and there a night in violent gang infested neighborhoods.
We are looking at this exactly backwards. Focusing on the day to day deaths will net more lives saved than focusing on Lanza and his ilk. Those crazy bastards will just gin up something else deadly like an IED.
Really cut gang activity and you cut gun deaths and reinvigorate the neighborhoods that need it most.
BBABL
194 | Decatur Deb Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:49:24am |
re: #184 Vicious Babushka
I just “love” it when interfering Christians tell me who’s pro-Jewish and who isn’t.
“The Irish are the Jews of Europe. So say it once and say it loud, I’m frum and I’m proud…”
195 | darthstar Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:50:54am |
In lieu of background checks, would the NRA be okay if we just required gun sellers to ask potential buyers if they think the president is a Muslim. If they say no, then they’re probably sane enough to purchase a weapon.
196 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:53:38am |
re: #193 Political Atheist
Ordinary handguns are not going to be banned. Capacity and rate of fire limits will apply. But I see no reason to discount ordinary law enforcement actions as the best solution for a lot of the gun violence. The drug and gang side of things for instance. Cut that violence via better drug policy and strong anti gang actions and you are heading in exactly the right direction.
You make a great point. The vast majority of gun deaths are not these aberrational mass shooting. They are the one or two here and there a night in violent gang infested neighborhoods.
We are looking at this exactly backwards. Focusing on the day to day deaths will net more lives saved than focusing on Lanza and his ilk. Those crazy bastards will just gin up something else deadly like an IED.
Really cut gang activity and you cut gun deaths and reinvigorate the neighborhoods that need it most.
BBABL
People either forget or deliberately overlook the fact that most of the mass shootings are also carried out with normal capacity handguns. Patrick Sherrill carried out the highest body count “going postal” incident using a couple of 1911s.
197 | darthstar Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:54:52am |
198 | darthstar Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:57:01am |
re: #196 goddamnedfrank
People either forget or deliberately overlook the fact that most of the mass shootings are also carried out with normal capacity handguns. Patrick Sherrill carried out the highest body count “going postal” incident using a couple of 1911s.
Actually, anti gun legislation people are happy to point that out.
They stoned people in the bible. Have we banned rocks?
199 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:57:38am |
re: #194 Decatur Deb
“The Irish are the Jews of Europe. So say it once and say it loud, I’m frum and I’m proud…”
I thought the Jews are the Jews of Europe. Whatevs.
200 | Decatur Deb Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:00:10am |
re: #199 Vicious Babushka
I thought the Jews are the Jews of Europe. Whatevs.
Always thought the Committments line might miff some of the millions of African-europeans.
201 | BongCrodny Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:01:14am |
re: #180 Feline Fearless Leader
Hmm…
Scott Brown contemplating US Senate run. In New Hampshire.
Maybe sooner or later he’ll find a state that likes him!
202 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:02:31am |
re: #198 darthstar
Actually, anti gun legislation people are happy to point that out.
Then why aren’t they actually legislating on that basis? Handguns are the problem, nobody’s doing anything about them.
203 | wheat-dogghazi Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:02:49am |
re: #188 RadicalModerate
You and I are only ones bringing up the morning-after pill. Everyone is talkiing guns.
204 | iossarian Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:05:41am |
re: #202 goddamnedfrank
I’m assuming the idea is to get something passed and upheld with popular support, as a precedent for cracking down further on other kinds of guns.
205 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:05:46am |
re: #202 goddamnedfrank
Then why aren’t they actually legislating on that basis? Handguns are the problem, nobody’s doing anything about them.
slippery slope, ban handguns and pretty soon we have people marrying goats
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206 | Decatur Deb Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:07:41am |
re: #202 goddamnedfrank
Then why aren’t they actually legislating on that basis? Handguns are the problem, nobody’s doing anything about them.
Totally pissed at the entire gun debate. It’s a textbook example of political ineptitude from my progressive side, climaxing in the Feinstein screwup. One year after Sandy Hook the number of deadly weapons in circulation will have increased sharply, and the political capital needed to fix a lot of problems will be sharply reduced.
207 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:09:20am |
DERP
Another proud, responsible gun owner. #UniteBlue —————- twitter.com/LeeGoaa/status…— Lee Goaa (@LeeGoaa) April 5, 2013
208 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:09:46am |
re: #204 iossarian
I’m assuming the idea is to get something passed and upheld with popular support, as a precedent for cracking down further on other kinds of guns.
So if it doesn’t work and the homicide rate climbs again gun control advocates can point to their failure as a reason to listen to them again? That makes sense. Again this is exactly what the anti-smoking advocates didn’t do, instead they focused on the biggest problem, cigarettes. They didn’t start off with an ineffective piecemeal strategy targeting only pipes and hookahs.
209 | iossarian Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:10:51am |
re: #206 Decatur Deb
What do you think the screwup was? I’m genuinely interested to think about what could have been done differently.
The way I see it, a majority of Americans are heavily irrational* about guns, and the manufacturing industry preys on that irrationality to successfully oppose any kind of legislation restricting their ownership and use.
* In that they claim in polls that they’d like to see restrictions such as background checks, but will never actually vote for a candidate on that basis.
210 | iossarian Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:11:59am |
re: #208 goddamnedfrank
So if it doesn’t work and the homicide rate climbs again gun control advocates can point to their failure as a reason to listen to them again? That makes sense. Again this is exactly what the anti-smoking advocates didn’t do, instead they focused on the biggest problem, cigarettes. They didn’t start off with an ineffective piecemeal strategy targeting only pipes and hookahs.
Supreme Court though. Nothing’s going to happen unless the five freaks think they might actually get dragged out and burned at the stake for striking down whatever gets put in front of them.
211 | iossarian Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:13:52am |
re: #208 goddamnedfrank
So if it doesn’t work and the homicide rate climbs again gun control advocates can point to their failure as a reason to listen to them again?
Anyway, I’m not trying to pick a fight here, but this has been a fact-free debate from day one. Whether a policy “works” or not in the first few years is likely to be a matter of spin only.
212 | geoffm33 Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:14:00am |
re: #207 Vicious Babushka
I would rework that to say:
“Just because you have the right to own a gun and have children, doesn’t mean you are responsible enough to have either.”
213 | Lidane Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:14:08am |
Fun fact: There are now more Gingrich, Limbaugh, & Trump ex-wives than Democratic Senators who don’t support #marriageequality. #lgbt— Gabe Ortíz (@TUSK81) April 5, 2013
214 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:14:09am |
re: #210 iossarian
Supreme Court though. Nothing’s going to happen unless the five freaks think they might actually get dragged out and burned at the stake for striking down whatever gets put in front of them.
Being rational is now defined as intimidating SC justices into ruling the way you want them to. Nice.
215 | iossarian Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:15:16am |
re: #214 goddamnedfrank
Being rational is now defined as intimidating SC justices into ruling the way you want them to. Nice.
All I’m saying is that for anti-gun legislation to be upheld by the SC, it’s going to have to have massive popular support. My rhetorical embellishments are just that - I do not advocate violence against anyone.
216 | Decatur Deb Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:15:34am |
re: #209 iossarian
What do you think the screwup was? I’m genuinely interested to think about what could have been done differently.
..snip
Overreach. The history of the AWB that came and went shows the shallowness of the political support for this direction. If we had settled for a magazine limit or gun-show loophole fix it might have flown. All the shouting has done is enrich the gun industry, put more guns in the hands of fanatics, and lessen the chances of improving congress and the
Supreme Court.
217 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:16:10am |
re: #193 Political Atheist
We are looking at this exactly backwards. Focusing on the day to day deaths will net more lives saved than focusing on Lanza and his ilk. Those crazy bastards will just gin up something else deadly like an IED.
Really cut gang activity and you cut gun deaths and reinvigorate the neighborhoods that need it most.
BBABL
I agree. Another thing that is needed, then, is for it to be acknowledged that guns are hazards, they are risks, and urging people to get them or treat them as just another piece of sport fun is foolish. Most people don’t need guns, and yet we have this gun culture that basically says that everyone out there should be packing.
Crime is down, mass shootings are not a common event. The real gun problem we have in the US is accidents and suicides. They’re not a high rate compared to the number of gun owners, but the problem is that we have shitloads of gun owners, most of them with no actual need for the guns they have.
The sooner that we can change our gun culture from “Whoo hooo hold my beer and look at this” to “These are weapons, they deserve respect, and they are not toys”, the better. But there’s a gigantic cultural mound to scale there.
218 | Lidane Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:17:29am |
What right wing insanity?
AFA’s Buster Wilson says he is “staying neutral” on whether it’s OK to “shoot down US Marshals” bit.ly/11sXDXm— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) April 4, 2013
There’s only one right answer. You don’t “stay neutral” on something like that.
FAIL.
220 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:20:21am |
re: #206 Decatur Deb
Totally pissed at the entire gun debate. It’s a textbook example of political ineptitude from my progressive side, climaxing in the Feinstein screwup. One year after Sandy Hook the number of deadly weapons in circulation will have increased sharply, and the political capital needed to fix a lot of problems will be sharply reduced.
Feinstein should not have been allowed to say a single word by the leadership. Once she became the “face” of it, any chance of passing anything, much less anything meaningful, disappeared.
There should have been a number of individual bills covering each proposed reform and introduced by a blue dog. Then each could have been debated on it’s merits and had a chance to get enough votes to pass.
But the Democratic party has made a pattern of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory like this for a very long time now.
221 | Varek Raith Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:22:33am |
re: #220 William Barnett-Lewis
Heh, it wouldn’t have mattered.
Any gun regulation would’ve bee met with extreme hostility.
You know, like it is every damn time with the national gop.
222 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:22:39am |
re: #215 iossarian
All I’m saying is that for anti-gun legislation to be upheld by the SC, it’s going to have to have massive popular support.
Popular support can get the Supremes to recognize a Constitutional Amendment like the 14th covers what it didn’t before, i.e. interracial and hopefully gay marriage. It’s a (deservedly) harder sell to try and get them to eliminate something specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights. When popular support is at the right level then Congress and the States can try to repeal the 2nd, until then the Supremes may restrict it further within limits but they’re not going to simply will it away.
223 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:23:13am |
re: #217 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
the problem is that we have shitloads of gun owners, most of them with no actual need for the guns they have.
Because the NRA would have us believe that guns in the hands of “Good People” and “Patriots” will help defend us all against Evil and Tyranny.
And, by extension, reducing the number and availability of guns will only aid the spread of Evil and Tyranny.
So tell us again why you hate everything that is Good about America…
/
224 | Decatur Deb Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:23:44am |
re: #220 William Barnett-Lewis
Feinstein should not have been allowed to say a single word by the leadership. Once she became the “face” of it, any chance of passing anything, much less anything meaningful, disappeared.
There should have been a number of individual bills covering each proposed reform and introduced by a blue dog. Then each could have been debated on it’s merits and had a chance to get enough votes to pass.
But the Democratic party has made a pattern of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory like this for a very long time now.
Yup. Shows the weakness of ‘legislating-from-horror’. We couldn’t maintain an AWB after someone shot the most popular Republican of a generation.
225 | lawhawk Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:25:56am |
re: #224 Decatur Deb
We somehow couldn’t get a universal background check at a time when the NRA was claiming that it supported one. Now, they oppose even that meager step.
226 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:26:54am |
re: #224 Decatur Deb
Yup. Shows the weakness of ‘legislating-from-horror’. We couldn’t maintain an AWB after someone shot the most popular Republican of a generation.
Shot him with a cheap pistol. The problem is we never actually target the problem.
227 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:27:58am |
re: #221 Varek Raith
There was some centrist support for increasing restrictions until she became the “voice” of those restrictions. She is well known as someone who wants the UK’s policies here and there is almost no one willing to help her take even a step on that path.
It’s not just the GOP, though they didn’t help as always.
228 | lawhawk Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:32:16am |
Rumors causing ammo to fly off store shelves. Rumors that the government is “hoarding” ammo, or that the government is about to impose more draconian restrictions.
The most ridiculous thing is those claiming that the government is hoarding ammo, buying it up to create a shortage and cut off the supply. These folks are so paranoid at this point to be impervious to all facts, reason, and logic:
Some government critics attributed shortages to federal purchases of bullets, accusing officials of trying to hoard a billion rounds and disarm the populace.
“Department of Homeland Security and the federal government itself is buying up ammunition and components at such a rate, it’s causing artificial shortage of supplies for the regular consumer,” said Jesse Alday, a state corrections officer who was buying a couple of boxes of primers at Hunter’s Haven.
“They’re buying it up as fast as they can, for reasons they’re not officially willing to admit or go into. — They’re not willing to come up with any answers as to the reasons behind why they have enough ammunition on the U.S., on our own home soil, to wage a 25-year war,” he said. “That’s kind of strange.”
Keane, whose group includes manufacturers, said the reports of massive federal purchases were not true.The government routinely buys products in bulk to reduce costs and Homeland Security has said the latest purchases are no different.
Last year, the department put out bids for a total of about 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition over the next five years. The rounds are to be used for training, routine weapons qualification exercises and normal duty by various department agencies.
It’s strange because it’s simply not true.
These are the same folks who think that the DHS was buying 2700 tanks (they aren’t tanks, aren’t for the DHS, and it was for the Marine Corps), but the meme will simply not die.
229 | iossarian Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:33:31am |
re: #222 goddamnedfrank
Popular support can get the Supremes to recognize a Constitutional Amendment like the 14th covers what it didn’t before, i.e. interracial and hopefully gay marriage. It’s a (deservedly) harder sell to try and get them to eliminate something specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights. When popular support is at the right level then Congress and the States can try to repeal the 2nd, until then the Supremes may restrict it further within limits but they’re not going to simply will it away.
I think of it like the healthcare bill. I genuinely think Roberts was swayed by the general movement in which things were going, despite the public being split on the measure.
The Law isn’t as cut-and-dried and systematic as lawyers sometimes like to claim it is.
230 | lawhawk Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:38:22am |
re: #229 iossarian
The Law isn’t as cut-and-dried and systematic as lawyers sometimes like to claim it is.
It depends.
231 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:39:56am |
re: #229 iossarian
I think of it like the healthcare bill. I genuinely think Roberts was swayed by the general movement in which things were going, despite the public being split on the measure.
I think Roberts just got pissed off at Kennedy acting like he owned the Court and decided to stick it to him. There’s very little reason to think any of the Justices gives a shit about popular opinion. There’s very little reason that they should, that’s not their job.
232 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:40:14am |
DERP
Who says it’s not Teh Juice?
Airline enshrines Sharia: if Muslims don’t want pork, NOBODY gets pork. wtim.es/14T7gSD— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) April 5, 2013
235 | wheat-dogghazi Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:43:38am |
re: #232 Vicious Babushka
What’s the big deal? It’s not like airline food is so wonderful anyway, and you’re on the plane for only a few hours. Does Bryan need a pork fix every hour, or something?
236 | Political Atheist Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:44:58am |
re: #215 iossarian
All I’m saying is that for anti-gun legislation to be upheld by the SC, it’s going to have to have massive popular support. My rhetorical embellishments are just that - I do not advocate violence against anyone.
Um, a bunch has already been held up, and we got an explicit call from at least one SCOTUS Judge for more regulation. The angry and the spin docs take words and twist them. What is out is blanket bans like what we saw in DC and Illinois. Every California gun law has passed legal muster. Many never made it to a SCOTUS level hearing as we know. Because lower courts ruled and that was that. 10 round limit, tight registration and configurations limits of semi auto rifles. Universal B/G check with a deliberate un necessary delay.
According to the polls the U-B/G check has massive popular support. I don’t think for a second that would fail to hold up.
237 | lawhawk Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:50:20am |
re: #232 Vicious Babushka
I think it’s referring to a Daily Mail report about Quantas, and it also involves no longer serving alcohol. Quantas just entered into a deal with Emirates Airlines. But these relate to flights to/from ME.
Airlines flying in/out of ME, Jakarta, and several other spots do not stock alcohol on those flights either.
But that ignores the fact that most airlines here in the US have canned on-board meals in most cases (particularly hops less than cross-country). Or they impose extra charges for meals - like being in business/first class.
238 | iossarian Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:51:42am |
re: #236 Political Atheist
Um, a bunch has already been held up, and we got an explicit call from at least one SCOTUS Judge for more regulation. The angry and the spin docs take words and twist them. What is out is blanket bans like what we saw in DC and Illinois. Every California gun law has passed legal muster. Many never made it to a SCOTUS level hearing as we know. Because lower courts ruled and that was that. 10 round limit, tight registration and configurations limits of semi auto rifles. Universal B/G check with a deliberate un necessary delay.
According to the polls the U-B/G check has massive popular support. I don’t think for a second that would fail to hold up.
These are very good points. Maybe Deb is right and we should just have gone for the gun show loophole and magazine limits.
239 | kirkspencer Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:52:48am |
Idle speculation: I think there’s a fair chance we’ll get a fairly restrictive form of gun control, and the gun favoring crowd will not like it but won’t be able to stop it.
I’m becoming more and more convinced that we’re going to see an active attempt at what amounts to insurgent rebellion by a smallish group of… I really don’t know what to call them, really. Aryan Brotherhood is part, but so is the patriot movement and the sovereign citizenship. They’re entangled with the Tea Party in much the same way as the Weather Underground was entangled with the SDS. Add in their connection to Mexican gun cartels, and I think an explosion is coming.
IF it happens, then it’ll strip the balance wheel. Anyone trying to defend gun ownership is going to have to go out of their way to show they’re not a closet sympathizer. If they were TP or part of that in any way, they won’t be able to do it. NRA membership might be problematic the same way thanks to the current leadership.
The sad thing is that this is sorta the modus operandi of the Tea Party. No Compromise sounds great except it means All or Nothing which, when betting against the house (the majority) tends to result in nothing. Idiots.
240 | iossarian Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:52:57am |
re: #231 goddamnedfrank
There’s very little reason to think any of the Justices gives a shit about popular opinion. There’s very little reason that they should, that’s not their job.
There is vanity, and the human desire to be thought well of by posterity, but your position is probably closer to correct than mine.
241 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:54:32am |
re: #237 lawhawk
I think it’s referring to a Daily Mail report about Quantas, and it also involves no longer serving alcohol. Quantas just entered into a deal with Emirates Airlines. But these relate to flights to/from ME.
Airlines flying in/out of ME, Jakarta, and several other spots do not stock alcohol on those flights either.
But that ignores the fact that most airlines here in the US have canned on-board meals in most cases (particularly hops less than cross-country). Or they impose extra charges for meals - like being in business/first class.
Zedushka and I flew business class to Amsterdam on Delta and then to Israel on El Al. The kosher food in Delta business class sucked, probably because the crew just wasn’t used to preparing it, it was pretty much the same food you get in coach, just more of it and more room to eat it. The food & service on El Al was great.
242 | wheat-dogghazi Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:56:33am |
re: #241 Vicious Babushka
Zedushka and I flew business class to Amsterdam on Delta and then to Israel on El Al. The kosher food in Delta business class sucked, probably because the crew just wasn’t used to preparing it, it was pretty much the same food you get in coach, just more of it and more room to eat it. The food & service on El Al was great.
I’ve flown United, American and All Nippon Airways between China and the US. ANA had by far the best service and food, and I swear the seats were more comfortable. And they give you slippers and a hot towel in the morning, even in coach!
243 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:56:41am |
re: #238 iossarian
These are very good points. Maybe Deb is right and we should just have gone for the gun show loophole and magazine limits.
Those could have been passed and even, with difficulty, gotten through the House. But you have to use the right language - regulate not restrict or ban. However the ability to even do that much was destroyed the moment when Feinstein introduced her bill. The Senate Majority Leader is almost as incompetent as the Speaker of the House & those two, more than anything else, are why nothing is getting done on the People’s business.
244 | Political Atheist Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:57:32am |
re: #238 iossarian
The hard thing seems to be to drive a wedge in between the congress and NRA/gun maker money. We may have more votes than money. And let me say we finally have a better alternative to HCI for our effort. (Go Gabby)
245 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:00:13am |
re: #242 wheat-dogghazi
I’ve flown United, American and All Nippon Airways between China and the US. ANA had by far the best service and food, and I swear the seats were more comfortable. And they give you slippers and a hot towel in the morning, even in coach!
Did Asianna (sp?) to Saigon when we adopted. Now that was exquisite food and service in biz class. I’d be willing to fly if I could afford at least that minimum.
246 | Mattand Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:04:27am |
re: #228 lawhawk
Rumors causing ammo to fly off store shelves. Rumors that the government is “hoarding” ammo, or that the government is about to impose more draconian restrictions.
The most ridiculous thing is those claiming that the government is hoarding ammo, buying it up to create a shortage and cut off the supply. These folks are so paranoid at this point to be impervious to all facts, reason, and logic:
It’s strange because it’s simply not true.
These are the same folks who think that the DHS was buying 2700 tanks (they aren’t tanks, aren’t for the DHS, and it was for the Marine Corps), but the meme will simply not die.
We are such a nation of paranoid bed-wetters, it makes me embarrassed sometimes to admit I’m American.
It’s getting to the point where I’m not worried if someone is going to shoot up the mall when I’m there, I’m worried when it’s going to happen.
And at the end of the day, it’s driven in large part by people who are pissed off that a black guy is President.
Fuck guns, and fuck the people who prioritize them above all else.
247 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:04:42am |
re: #245 William Barnett-Lewis
Did Asianna (sp?) to Saigon when we adopted. Now that was exquisite food and service in biz class. I’d be willing to fly if I could afford at least that minimum.
Flew Malaysian Air from LAX - KL and back (via Taipei) a few years ago. Very good food and service in business class there as well. And paying the extra cost for that leg of the trip was a no brainer given the length of time in the air and fact that I basically do not fit well in coach seating.
248 | iossarian Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:06:11am |
re: #244 Political Atheist
The hard thing seems to be to drive a wedge in between the congress and NRA/gun maker money. We may have more votes than money. And let me say we finally have a better alternative to HCI for our effort. (Go Gabby)
The money-in-congress thing is obviously a perennial problem, not just with guns. It’s a fundamental flaw in American public life.
249 | wheat-dogghazi Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:06:56am |
re: #247 Feline Fearless Leader
In reading travel blogs I get the impression that US airlines’ business model is Greyhound, while foreign airlines’ model is Cunard.
250 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:08:22am |
re: #249 wheat-dogghazi
In reading travel blogs I get the impression that US airlines’ business model is Greyhound, while foreign airlines’ model is Cunard.
Note to self and everyone else: DO NOT FLY ON SPIRITAIR. EVER. TAKE ANOTHER CARRIER, RENT CAR, TAKE BUS, WALK.
251 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:08:47am |
re: #246 Mattand
We are such a nation of paranoid bed-wetters, it makes me embarrassed sometimes to admit I’m American.
It’s getting to the point where I’m not worried if someone is going to shoot up the mall when I’m there, I’m worried when it’s going to happen.
And at the end of the day, it’s driven in large part by people who are pissed off that a black guy is President.
Fuck guns, and fuck the people who prioritize them above all else.
I am curious a bit what happens in 2016 when the nuts no longer have a black POTUS to rant and rave about. And I think that the GOP might not be able to turn down the volume of rhetoric. They’ve played the “traitor”, “patriot”, and “socialist” cards so hard that any backing down will be viewed by the rabid base as betrayal. One of the side effects of continually polarizing the debate as good vs evil is that you can’t easily slide towards compromise once you’ve backed yourself into the corner.
252 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:10:46am |
re: #249 wheat-dogghazi
In reading travel blogs I get the impression that US airlines’ business model is Greyhound, while foreign airlines’ model is Cunard.
Wait for the new model of charging on a per pound basis (passenger + luggage.)
;)
253 | iossarian Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:12:31am |
re: #252 Feline Fearless Leader
Wait for the new model of charging on a per pound basis (passenger + luggage.)
;)
Timely.
254 | wheat-dogghazi Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:13:02am |
re: #252 Feline Fearless Leader
Wait for the new model of charging on a per pound basis (passenger + luggage.)
;)
Well, many airlines are already charging $25 for checked bags on short hauls. United charges $70 for an additional bag on international flights.
255 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:13:09am |
re: #246 Mattand
We are such a nation of paranoid bed-wetters, it makes me embarrassed sometimes to admit I’m American.
It’s getting to the point where I’m not worried if someone is going to shoot up the mall when I’m there, I’m worried when it’s going to happen.
These two sentences back to back are kind of priceless. It’s always the opposition that are paranoid bed wetters, whereas your near certain fear that a very rare event is going to strike your mall while you’re there is a perfectly rational reaction.
256 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:15:00am |
re: #254 wheat-dogghazi
Well, many airlines are already charging $25 for checked bags on short hauls. United charges $70 for an additional bag on international flights.
Love how things have whip-sawed back and forth between charging for checked bags and then starting to put heavy limits on carry-on luggage. Which of course led to the development of those annoying monstrous rolling bags that hog overhead compartments.
257 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:16:31am |
re: #256 Feline Fearless Leader
Love how things have whip-sawed back and forth between charging for checked bags and then starting to put heavy limits on carry-on luggage. Which of course led to the development of those annoying monstrous rolling bags that hog overhead compartments.
Spiritair (which NEVER EVER FLY WITH THEM) now charges more for a carryon bag than for a checked bag. They also charge for aisle/window seats. Next thing they will charge for smiles from flight attendants.
258 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:17:31am |
re: #253 iossarian
Timely.
Which for an airline that is mainly using small planes makes a great deal of sense. Weight and even balance of luggage and passengers within the fuselage is a factor that has to be taken into account.
259 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:18:08am |
re: #257 Vicious Babushka
Spiritair (which NEVER EVER FLY WITH THEM) now charges more for a carryon bag than for a checked bag. They also charge for aisle/window seats. Next thing they will charge for smiles from flight attendants.
Tell us how you really feel about Spiritair!
;)
260 | iossarian Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:18:10am |
re: #255 goddamnedfrank
These two sentences back to back are kind of priceless. It’s always the opposition that are paranoid bed wetters, whereas your near certain fear that a very rare event is going to strike your mall while you’re there is a perfectly rational reaction.
I’ll be honest - I do fear that a nutter is going to shoot up my kids’ elementary school, even though the odds of that happening are very, very low.
On the other hand, I *know* that a nutter is going to shoot up someone else’s kids’ elementary school in the next year or so, because AMERICA FREEDOM GUNS.
261 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:18:25am |
This is not a good sign coming from NK. They must be expecting something happening real soon.
North Korea urges embassy evacuations, diplomats say
MOSCOW – North Korea has advised foreign diplomats to consider evacuating their embassies there, in light of increasing tensions in the area, Russian and British diplomats said Friday.
Russia’s foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, told reporters traveling with him in Uzbekistan Friday afternoon that Moscow was seeking more details about the North Korean statement before making a decision about whether to evacuate.
The British foreign office said its embassy “received a communication from the North Korean government this morning saying that the North Korean government would be unable to guarantee the safety of embassies and international organizations in the country in the event of conflict from April 10.”
Lavrov said Russia was treating the statement from Pyongyang as a suggestion and not an order. Some observers in Moscow called Friday’s evacuation advice an obvious propaganda ploy. Russia’s foreign ministry said North Korea has made the same proposal to other nations with diplomatic missions in Pyongyang.
262 | chadu Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:21:43am |
re: #239 kirkspencer
I’m becoming more and more convinced that we’re going to see an active attempt at what amounts to insurgent rebellion by a smallish group of… I really don’t know what to call them, really. Aryan Brotherhood is part, but so is the patriot movement and the sovereign citizenship. They’re entangled with the Tea Party in much the same way as the Weather Underground was entangled with the SDS. Add in their connection to Mexican gun cartels, and I think an explosion is coming.
I think the fuse has already been lit for that explosion, what with the various recent DA, cop, and other LEP killings.
263 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:22:37am |
re: #259 Feline Fearless Leader
Tell us how you really feel about Spiritair!
;)
They are the singularity of airline suck.
264 | Varek Raith Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:23:13am |
re: #255 goddamnedfrank
These two sentences back to back are kind of priceless. It’s always the opposition that are paranoid bed wetters, whereas your near certain fear that a very rare event is going to strike your mall while you’re there is a perfectly rational reaction.
There coming to take your guns haha!
There coming to take your guns hoho!
265 | wheat-dogghazi Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:23:46am |
re: #257 Vicious Babushka
Spiritair (which NEVER EVER FLY WITH THEM) now charges more for a carryon bag than for a checked bag. They also charge for aisle/window seats. Next thing they will charge for smiles from flight attendants.
I’ve heard about SpiritAir. They charge for everything, like $2 for a cup of coffee.
266 | Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:24:36am |
Good morning Lizards.
267 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:24:45am |
re: #265 wheat-dogghazi
I’ve heard about SpiritAir. They charge for everything, like $2 for a cup of coffee.
If they’re really good they will work out a way for them to charge you for not flying with them.
O_O
268 | Mattand Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:24:53am |
re: #255 goddamnedfrank
These two sentences back to back are kind of priceless. It’s always the opposition that are paranoid bed wetters, whereas your near certain fear that a very rare event is going to strike your mall while you’re there is a perfectly rational reaction.
If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I hope I am. Call me crazy, but getting shot doesn’t seem like fun. And just so we’re clear, I’m not avoiding the mall or any other public space.
But with all the paranoia that’s being ratcheted up about guns, and with people now openly talking about “taking back our government”? I don’t see this just slowly fading away like some sort of fad.
I don’t claim to be the smartest political observer, but I don’t recall ever seeing this much talk about secession/rebellion from people, because their (white) guy didn’t get elected POTUS.
269 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:24:59am |
re: #265 wheat-dogghazi
I’ve heard about SpiritAir. They charge for everything, like $2 for a cup of coffee.
They charged my daughter $75 for her return trip prepaid checked bag because it was 2 lbs. over the limit.
270 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:25:46am |
re: #268 Mattand
If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I hope I am. Call me crazy, but getting shot doesn’t seem like fun. And just so we’re clear, I’m not avoiding the mall or any other public space.
But with all the paranoia that’s being ratcheted up about guns, and with people now openly talking about “taking back our government”? I don’t see this just slowly fading away like some sort of fad.
I don’t claim to be the smartest political observer, but I don’t recall ever seeing this much talk about secession/rebellion from people, because their (white) guy didn’t get elected POTUS.
…since 1860
271 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:26:19am |
When Spiritair goes out of business they will find some way to do it that fucks their customers, like leaving them stranded all over the country with no way to get home unless they pay double to other carriers.
272 | Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:26:29am |
re: #269 Vicious Babushka
They charged my daughter $75 for her return trip prepaid checked bag because it was 2 lbs. over the limit.
When we were coming back from cabo US airways was going to charge us well over 100 bucks because one piece of luggage was 1lb over the limit. Thanks to some creative re-arranging everything balanced out.
273 | Mattand Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:26:42am |
re: #255 goddamnedfrank
These two sentences back to back are kind of priceless. It’s always the opposition that are paranoid bed wetters, whereas your near certain fear that a very rare event is going to strike your mall while you’re there is a perfectly rational reaction.
And just so we’re clear, Sandy Hook was a very rare event.
It’s great to talk about the odds when it’s not your 6-year-old bleeding out from multiple GSWs.
274 | Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:27:32am |
re: #268 Mattand
I agree completely. I am waiting for these nuts to start going off.
275 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:28:21am |
re: #271 Vicious Babushka
When Spiritair goes out of business they will find some way to do it that fucks their customers, like leaving them stranded all over the country with no way to get home unless they pay double to other carriers.
276 | CarleeCork Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:28:23am |
re: #123 goddamnedfrank
Thanks for the sources. This one discusses the 2nd Amendment and what a militia was meant to be.
277 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:28:28am |
‘Military wing of Hamas training Syrian rebels’
The military unit of Hamas has broken ties with former ally Syrian President Bashar Assad and began training members of the opposition’s Free Syrian Army in Damascus, the Times of London reported on Friday.
Anonymous diplomatic sources told the Times that members of the Izzadin Kassam Brigades were training FSA units in the rebel-held neighborhoods of Yalda, Jaramana and Babbila in the Syrian capital.
“The Kassam Brigades have been training units very close to Damascus. These are specialists. They are really good,” a Western diplomat with contacts in both the Assad regime and the Syrian opposition told the London daily newspaper.
According to the Times, Hamas has been helping the FSA in digging a tunnel beneath Damascus in preparation for an attack on the city, a skill that Hamas has honed since constructing previous tunnels to smuggle supplies from Egypt into the Gaza Strip.
A Palestinian source from Lebanon’s Ain al-Hilweh Palestinian refugee camp reportedly said that Hamas’ aide to the FSA is common knowledge, however Hamas officials have denied any affiliation with Syrian rebels.
278 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:28:50am |
re: #271 Vicious Babushka
When Spiritair goes out of business they will find some way to do it that fucks their customers, like leaving them stranded all over the country with no way to get home unless they pay double to other carriers.
I got stranded in Charlotte a few years back due to a carrier going bankrupt mid-trip. :p
Luckily there was an arrangement for other carriers to honor their tickets and I made it back home with a delay measured in hours rather than days.
279 | iossarian Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:29:39am |
re: #273 Mattand
And just so we’re clear, Sandy Hook was a very rare event.
It’s great to talk about the odds when it’s not your 6-year-old bleeding out from multiple GSWs.
The argument that the problem isn’t severe because *your* kid is unlikely to get assassinated by a gun-toting lunatic is not all that convincing, I agree. In some ways its another form of the “my kid is gay so I support gay marriage now” road-to-Damascus moment that we rightly find objectionable.
280 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:31:07am |
re: #279 iossarian
The argument that the problem isn’t severe because *your* kid is unlikely to get assassinated by a gun-toting lunatic is not all that convincing, I agree. In some ways its another form of the “my kid is gay so I support gay marriage now” road-to-Damascus moment that we rightly find objectionable.
So what would be the cost in people and lawyers to get a group of men to hold down Mitt Romney and cut his hair?
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281 | kirkspencer Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:32:27am |
re: #261 NJDhockeyfan
This is not a good sign coming from NK. They must be expecting something happening real soon.
I wouldn’t mind confirm/deny of other info I’ve received. Allegedly China has moved additional forces to the JiLin province and placed those forces on high alert. In addition, the PLAN (navy) is in the midst of live fire exercises in the Yellow Sea. Some sources say the types of operations in the exercise indicate they’re more supportive than suppressive of North Korea.
282 | Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:38:15am |
re: #281 kirkspencer
I wouldn’t mind confirm/deny of other info I’ve received. Allegedly China has moved additional forces to the JiLin province and placed those forces on high alert. In addition, the PLAN (navy) is in the midst of live fire exercises in the Yellow Sea. Some sources say the types of operations in the exercise indicate they’re more supportive than suppressive of North Korea.
that does not sound good. If that crazy little fucker in NK does something stupid we’ll have no choice but to respond. China needs to realize they need to cut NK loose and no longer back them.
283 | Political Atheist Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:43:38am |
re: #282 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
that does not sound good. If that crazy little fucker in NK does something stupid we’ll have no choice but to respond. China needs to realize they need to cut NK loose and no longer back them.
Long, long shot-China pre-empts and does it’s own regime change there. Installs another very Chinese friendly anti western government. Maybe a junta.
I don’t think we would intervene. Could be a winner. the North Korean population gets to eat at the price of their human god falling, and war is avoided.
284 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:46:02am |
re: #276 CarleeCork
Last updated in 2003. As a result, there are a large number of legal changes over the past decade as a result of SCOTUS decisions. While there is some useful information (and most of that in links elsewhere), I’d not place too much trust in the analysis in it.
285 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:46:05am |
re: #283 Political Atheist
Long, long shot-China pre-empts and does it’s own regime change there. Installs another very Chinese friendly anti western government. Maybe a junta.
I don’t think we would intervene. Could be a winner. the North Korean population gets to eat at the price of their human god falling, and war is avoided.
Is Korea like Vietnam and have a long-standing historical distrust of China? (Probably fairly common when one lives next door to the elephant; e.g. Poland)
286 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:46:07am |
re: #282 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
that does not sound good. If that crazy little fucker in NK does something stupid we’ll have no choice but to respond. China needs to realize they need to cut NK loose and no longer back them.
I don’t understand why China is hanging on to them. There is nothing I can see that benefits China at all. It’s like keeping a boil on your ass hoping it will someday heal itself.
287 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:47:43am |
re: #286 NJDhockeyfan
I don’t understand why China is hanging on to them. There is nothing I can see that benefits China at all. It’s like keeping a boil on your ass hoping it will someday heal itself.
Habit, desire for a buffer state, and like everyone else not wanting to need to do a clean-up after it bursts.
288 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:49:55am |
This is actually a Real Quote (I looked it up) but WTFF
What would Jefferson say about paying for other people’s birth control & abortions? #tcot #tlot #tgdn #libertarian twitter.com/JessJ01/status…— Liberty Jess (@JessJ01) April 5, 2013
289 | Interesting Times Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:50:37am |
re: #286 NJDhockeyfan
I don’t understand why China is hanging on to them. There is nothing I can see that benefits China at all. It’s like keeping a boil on your ass hoping it will someday heal itself.
They may be afraid of getting swarmed by millions of starving refugees.
290 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:53:36am |
DERP DERP HURR HURR
“The ‘pro-sex feminists’ are all in favor of providing abortion-inducing drugs to middle-school girls” theothermccain.com/2013/04/05/tee…— Robert Stacy McCain (@rsmccain) April 5, 2013
291 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:54:28am |
DERP DERP HURR HURR
As a teacher, I will never brainwash my students with man-made global warming lies. #TCOT #TGDN #TeaParty— Mr. S. #TGDN (@bsucards1983) April 5, 2013
292 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:54:46am |
re: #289 Interesting Times
They may be afraid of getting swarmed by millions of starving refugees.
If Lil Kim fires off his missiles and all hell breaks loose China is going to get flooded with refugees.
293 | CarleeCork Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:56:03am |
re: #288 Vicious Babushka
This is actually a Real Quote (I looked it up) but WTFF
I believe he was talking about government funding for churches.
294 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:57:03am |
re: #293 CarleeCork
I believe he was talking about government funding for churches.
But would Tom Jefferson have allowed his slave women to use birth control or abort the babies conceived when he raped them?
295 | Interesting Times Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:57:26am |
re: #288 Vicious Babushka
How about people opposed to the death penalty, and wars? Do they get to opt out of paying taxes for those? 9_9
296 | Bulworth Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:57:27am |
re: #232 Vicious Babushka
OK, but if the airlines are not chopping off the hands of passengers who take more than one bag of peanuts then it really isn’t sharia./
297 | Lidane Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:57:52am |
298 | Bulworth Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:59:00am |
re: #290 Vicious Babushka
Oh cmon, Robert, say that dirty word, you know you want to…FEMINAZI!! //
299 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:59:00am |
re: #297 Lidane
A white supremacist fucktard says what?
Pfft.
A white supremacist fucktard is employed as a TEACHER?
301 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:59:49am |
BUT DON’T EXPECT US TO PAY FOR FOOD STAMPS FOR YOUR BASTARDS U SLUT!!11!!
Liberal definition of “planning parenthood”: screw as you wish, get pregnant, then kill the baby. Evil. #TGDN #p2 twitter.com/April_MG/statu…— April Guiles (@April_MG) March 24, 2013
302 | Gus Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:59:56am |
re: #288 Vicious Babushka
This is actually a Real Quote (I looked it up) but WTFF
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” This quotation comes from Jefferson’s Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, although it is slightly misquoted. The original reads, “…to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical…”
This is in reference to The Virginia Act for Establishing Religious Freedom - Draft
304 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:00:43am |
Protesters rally in Cairo against Iranian tourists, try to storm Iranian diplomat’s residence
CAIRO — Dozens of ultraconservative protesters threw rocks at the residence of Iran’s top diplomat in Cairo to protest the Egyptian government’s attempt to improve ties with Tehran.
The protesters are upset about Iranian tourists who arrived in Egypt this week on the first commercial flights between the two countries in 30 years.
Violence erupted Friday after protesters hung a green-striped Syrian rebel flag on the gates of the diplomat’s residence. The protesters chanted against Shiite Tehran’s support of Syrian President Bashar Assad’s regime.
305 | Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:00:59am |
re: #286 NJDhockeyfan
I don’t understand why China is hanging on to them. There is nothing I can see that benefits China at all. It’s like keeping a boil on your ass hoping it will someday heal itself.
I think China’s biggest fear is the large influx of refugees.
306 | Gus Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:01:38am |
SECTION I. Well aware that the opinions and belief of men depend not on their own will, but follow involuntarily the evidence proposed to their minds; that Almighty God hath created the mind free, and manifested his supreme will that free it shall remain by making it altogether insusceptible of restraint; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments, or burthens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, who being lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do, but to extend it by its influence on reason alone; that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world and through all time: That to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical; that even the forcing him to support this or that teacher of his own religious persuasion, is depriving him of the comfortable liberty of giving his contributions to the particular pastor whose morals he would make his pattern, and whose powers he feels most persuasive to righteousness; and is withdrawing from the ministry those temporary rewards, which proceeding from an approbation of their personal conduct, are an additional incitement to earnest and unremitting labours for the instruction of mankind; that our civil rights have no dependance on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry; that therefore the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages to which, in common with his fellow citizens, he has a natural right; that it tends also to corrupt the principles of that very religion it is meant to encourage, by bribing, with a monopoly of worldly honours and emoluments, those who will externally profess and conform to it; that though indeed these are criminal who do not withstand such temptation, yet neither are those innocent who lay the bait in their way; that the opinions of men are not the object of civil government, nor under its jurisdiction; that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles on supposition of their ill tendency is a dangerous falacy, which at once destroys all religious liberty, because he being of course judge of that tendency will make his opinions the rule of judgment, and approve or condemn the sentiments of others only as they shall square with or differ from his own; that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself; that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate; errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them.
307 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:02:12am |
re: #305 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
I think China’s biggest fear is the large influx of refugees.
China’s biggest bugaboo is the thought of South Korea bucked up onto its southern border.
309 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:02:42am |
re: #306 Gus
It is so much more effective when edited down to 140 characters…
310 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:02:54am |
re: #305 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
I think China’s biggest fear is the large influx of refugees.
That and fear that Korea will become on nation lead by South Korea.
311 | Gus Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:02:56am |
If GOP backs “gay marriage,” Christians will go 3rd party guaranteeing Democrat rule indefinitely. Not wise #DefendMarriage— Matt Barber (@jmattbarber) April 5, 2013
312 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:06:34am |
313 | Lidane Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:06:43am |
re: #311 Gus
Good. Maybe then the GOP will get over this social conservative bullshit and try and find a reasonable adult in the party.
314 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:07:00am |
re: #311 Gus
If GOP backs “gay marriage,” Christians will go 3rd party guaranteeing Democrat rule indefinitely
If GOP fails to support gay marriage, moderates will abandon the GOP, guaranteeing Democratic rule indefinitely.
Choose your poison, gentlemen, you concocted both variants yourself.
315 | kirkspencer Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:07:26am |
re: #306 Gus
So a much more accurate summation would be to replace “taxes” with “tithes” in that minor misquote.
316 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:08:54am |
Mitt Romney and Bain Continue to Make Millions by Killing American Jobs politicususa.com/mitt-romney-co… via @politicususa #p2 #P2b #uniteblue #gop— Sarah Reese Jones (@srjones66) April 5, 2013
317 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:09:58am |
DERP
I gota nifty idea if you dont want kids get fixed problem solved . Liberals shouldent breed anyway #BirthControl 101 #UniteBlue— Byrn67 (@Byrn67) April 5, 2013
318 | kirkspencer Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:10:06am |
re: #306 Gus
Section II:
WE the General Assembly of Virginia do enact that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.
319 | Gus Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:10:36am |
re: #315 kirkspencer
So a much more accurate summation would be to replace “taxes” with “tithes” in that minor misquote.
I would think it’s a major misquote in the context of that Tweet.
320 | erik_t Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:11:02am |
Remember when we only had 51 Senators in favor of marriage equality? Gawd, people, keep up with the times.
Heitkamp on gay marriage: ” I have concluded the federal govt should no longer discriminate against people who want” same sex marriages— Sam Stein (@samsteinhp) April 5, 2013
and
With the recent Supreme Court arguments and accompanying public discussion of same-sex marriage, I have been thinking about my past positions and votes. In doing so, I have concluded that the right thing to do is to support marriage equality for all.”
-Joe [Donnelly]
321 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:11:11am |
re: #319 Gus
I would think it’s a major misquote in the context of that Tweet.
I can’t respond to that wingnut because she BLOCKED me the first time I corrected another Fake Quote.
323 | kirkspencer Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:11:29am |
re: #319 Gus
I would think it’s a major misquote in the context of that Tweet.
less so than “taxes”.
324 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:11:32am |
Pink moonbats now have drones!
Activists Scheduled to Fly Drones Over La Jolla Friday Morning
LA JOLLA, CA — Local residents and visitors should look to the sky between 8 and 9 a.m. Friday morning. Activists will fly a drone over three San Diego locations, including General Atomics CEO Neal Blue’s house in La Jolla Farms, to kick off a series of protests against the drone industry, which a large presence in San Diego.
…The drone is scheduled to fly over General Atomics headquarters near Torrey Pines between 10 a.m. and noon and Northrop Grumman’s headquarters in Kearny Mesa between 4 and 6 p.m.
“It’s time we name and shame those companies and CEOs, like General Atomics’ Neal Blue, who profit from the killing of innocent people and keeping our nation in a state of perpetual war,” said CODEPINK co-founder Medea Benjamin in an announcement.
Heh. I wonder if their drones are painted pink?
325 | Bulworth Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:12:24am |
re: #318 kirkspencer
Atheism! Fundamentalist Secularism! Sharia law!
326 | Political Atheist Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:12:36am |
I don’t want to link Powerline, but they have a video that is jaw dropping. I understand the frustration that is felt about “technical” gun arguments. Is .223 a big caliber or not etc. It’s a good point.
OTOH we have legislators making decisions that have no idea how guns and magazines and capacity actually works. You can’t well regulate from abject ignorance of the subject.
There needs to be a meet in the middle. Gun owners get to correct that lack of education, and gun owners need to not turn technical molehills into mountains.
327 | iossarian Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:12:42am |
re: #322 Bulworth
Bonus points for spelling.
People who can’t use common English contractions shouldn’t comment on other people’s suitability for breeding.
328 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:12:59am |
re: #317 Vicious Babushka
Why do youse guys continue to repost idiotic tweets unless they are from someone of note or of particular interest beyond pointing out how completley clueless some people are?
If I want to hear idiotic quips like that, I can still go down to my corner bar and find plenty of them being uttered…
329 | Gus Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:13:11am |
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re: #321 Vicious Babushka
I can’t respond to that wingnut because she BLOCKED me the first time I corrected another Fake Quote.
Somehow I don’t think anything would get through with this guy.
330 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:13:56am |
re: #328 Sol Berdinowitz
Why do youse guys continue to repost idiotic tweets unless they are from someone of note or of particular interest beyond pointing out how completley clueless some people are?
If I want to hear idiotic quips like that, I can still go down to my corner bar and find plenty of them being uttered…
They are OUT THERE and they HAVE GUNZ.
333 | RadicalModerate Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:16:11am |
There is no other way to say this:
These people are just f***ing insane.
Man arrested for threat regarding Kaufman Co. prosecutor on Facebook
A man was arrested Thursday after allegedly writing a Facebook post that threatened a Kaufman County prosecutor.
Robert Allan Miller, 52, is being held on a $1,000,000 bond for a charge of making a terroristic threat.
The arrest comes a day after a Terrell man was arrested for threatening the life of a Kaufman County official on a hotline set up to submit tips in the investigation into the murder of two prosecutors this year in the Kaufman County District Attorney’s Office. There is no indication the two threats are related.
In the Facebook posting allegedly written by Miller, he said that he “expect[s] that Assistant District Attorney Daniel Floyd will soon perish, bringing closure to an era of unacceptable practices and allowing Kaufman County residents to move forward with liberty and justice.”
You read that right. These people responded to the murder of two government officials by hoping to follow in their footsteps.
334 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:16:28am |
This is a Fake Quote spambot. I corrected it a few times and it didn’t block me or respond, it just Tweet-shits out these Fake Quotes.
I don’t even know who “Frederic Bastiat” is, maybe now they are just making up Fake Names to go with the Fake Quotes?
I just Googled “Frederic Bastiat” he was a French LIBERAL.
“The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.”~ Frederic Bastiat #UniteBlue— TheTeaParty.net (@TheTeaParty_net) April 5, 2013
336 | Slap Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:20:38am |
re: #306 Gus
I maintain that this document is one of the most eloquent and profound governmental documents we have ever produced.
Thank you for posting so much of it. Should be required reading for any citizen.
337 | erik_t Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:21:02am |
re: #328 Sol Berdinowitz
Why do youse guys continue to repost idiotic tweets unless they are from someone of note or of particular interest beyond pointing out how completley clueless some people are?
If I want to hear idiotic quips like that, I can still go down to my corner bar and find plenty of them being uttered…
The occasional notable moron is certainly worth considering, and it’s important to regularly take the pulse of the nutty American right.
On the other hand, it’s not an overstatement to say that the sheer number of embedded tweets in recent weeks has actually started choking my browser window.
338 | Gus Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:21:41am |
re: #334 Vicious Babushka
This is a Fake Quote spambot. I corrected it a few times and it didn’t block me or respond, it just Tweet-shits out these Fake Quotes.
I don’t even know who “Frederic Bastiat” is, maybe now they are just making up Fake Names to go with the Fake Quotes?
I just Googled “Frederic Bastiat” he was a French LIBERAL.
Classical liberal. Meaning more like a libertarian.
Influenced Arthur Latham Perry, Gustave de Molinari, Ludwig von Mises, Henry Hazlitt, Ron Paul, Thomas Sowell
339 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:22:36am |
re: #338 Gus
Classical liberal. Meaning more like a libertarian.
So basically, he was some rich asshole who totally hated Teh Poors.
340 | kirkspencer Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:22:52am |
re: #334 Vicious Babushka
This is a Fake Quote spambot. I corrected it a few times and it didn’t block me or respond, it just Tweet-shits out these Fake Quotes.
I don’t even know who “Frederic Bastiat” is, maybe now they are just making up Fake Names to go with the Fake Quotes?
I just Googled “Frederic Bastiat” he was a French LIBERAL.
The quote’s from a rather interesting essay, but it’s misrepresentational. Here’s another from the same essay that I think better gives you an idea of the essay’s point:
Thus, we find two expectations on the part of the public, two promises on the part of the government: many benefits and no taxes. Such expectations and promises, being contradictory, are never fulfilled.
341 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:23:24am |
re: #330 Vicious Babushka
They are OUT THERE and they HAVE GUNZ.
We know that, too. Really. Please, just spare us those kind of tweets unless they come from a person of note (an elected official, for example) or provide information relating to a newsworthy event.
342 | Gus Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:23:24am |
re: #339 Vicious Babushka
So basically, he was some rich asshole who totally hated Teh Poors.
Died 24 December 1850 (aged 49)
Rome, Papal States
343 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:24:11am |
re: #341 Sol Berdinowitz
We know that, too. Really. Please, just spare us those kind of tweets unless they come from a person of note (an elected official, for example) or provide information relating to a newsworthy event.
U NO LIEK MAI TWEETZ? I HAZ A SAD.
344 | lawhawk Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:24:17am |
Quirk about costs and morning after pill being OTC.
OTC drugs are not reimbursable under FSAs in current law while they were reimbursable as a prescription drug.
So it is possible that someone seeking a morning after pill will now pay more out of pocket and overall as a result of the decision than the same person before the ruling due to FSA rules.
The FSA rule changes do not help reduce costs in this instance, and they reduce their utility overall since most OTC drugs are no longer covered as reimbursable.
345 | kirkspencer Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:26:33am |
re: #340 kirkspencer
Actually a better summary is the last two paragraphs. The first sums the majority of the arguments, the last shows his preference (and why he’s a libertarian preference.)
Citizens, throughout history two political systems have confronted each other, and both of them can be supported by good arguments. According to one, the state should do a great deal, but also it should take a great deal. According to the other, its double action should be barely perceptible. Between these two systems, one must choose. But as for the third system, which is a mixture of the two others, and which consists in requiring everything from the state without giving anything to it, it is chimerical, absurd, childish, contradictory, and dangerous. Those who advance it in order to give themselves the pleasure of accusing all governments of impotence and exposing them thus to your violent attacks, flatter and deceive you, or at least they deceive themselves.
As for us, we think that the state is not and should not be anything else than the common police force instituted, not to be an instrument of oppression and reciprocal plunder, but, on the contrary, to guarantee to each his own and to make justice and security prevail.
346 | lawhawk Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:27:42am |
re: #344 lawhawk
This comment refers to the medication alone - not the cost of a visit to a doctor; taking that into account, and the cost to get the script and the drug is higher (plus added time/costs).
347 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:27:43am |
re: #343 Vicious Babushka
U NO LIEK MAI TWEETZ? I HAZ A SAD.
We already know that there is a lot of stoopid out there and that the stoopid has commandeered a major political party, especially at state and local level.
348 | Lidane Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:29:53am |
Peter King Says He’ll Never Forgive Rubio, Republicans Over Aid (VIDEO) livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/peter-ki… via @tomkludt— TPM Livewire (@TPMLiveWire) April 5, 2013
349 | wrenchwench Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:30:27am |
re: #347 Sol Berdinowitz
We already know that there is a lot of stoopid out there and that the stoopid has commandeered a major political party, especially at state and local level.
If you don’t want to read about teh stoopid, you’ve come to the wrong place.
350 | wrenchwench Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:32:06am |
re: #346 lawhawk
This comment refers to the medication alone - not the cost of a visit to a doctor; taking that into account, and the cost to get the script and the drug is higher (plus added time/costs).
I think access is the important thing. Any idea what the medication itself costs?
352 | lawhawk Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:33:02am |
re: #350 wrenchwench
According to PP, costs vary from $10 to $70 for the morning-after pill.
353 | HappyWarrior Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:33:48am |
re: #348 Lidane
I don’t blame him for being pissed off but I’ll believe he’ll “never forgive Rubio and the others” when I see it. He is right on though to call them out however especially Rubio who comes from a state who often gets hit hard by hurricanes.
354 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:34:03am |
re: #349 wrenchwench
If you don’t want to read about teh stoopid, you’ve come to the wrong place.
I am interested in it when it is relevant and newsworthy, but I am aware that there is too much of it out there, don’t need to be reminded with an endless series of choice misspelled examples.
355 | wrenchwench Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:35:20am |
re: #352 lawhawk
According to PP, costs vary from $10 to $70 for the morning-after pill.
Thanks. My google is feeling very lazy today.
356 | Varek Raith Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:36:00am |
357 | wrenchwench Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:36:57am |
re: #354 Sol Berdinowitz
I am interested in it when it is relevant and newsworthy, but I am aware that there is too much of it out there, don’t need to be reminded with an endless series of choice misspelled examples.
When I start to feel like there are too many of them (and it does happen), I scroll over them.
358 | Gus Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:38:40am |
Fire up the wingnut howling machine!
Fisker Automotive, in desperate need of financing, lays off almost its entire workforce lati.ms/jMIWL— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) April 5, 2013
359 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:41:11am |
re: #358 Gus
Fire up the wingnut howling machine!
OBAMA CARS: Fisker a car company that builds $100,000 electric hotrods is broke costing taxpayers $192,000,000 #tcot #FictonalCliff #tgdn— Greg Anderson (@sparkygreg) April 5, 2013
360 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:41:21am |
re: #357 wrenchwench
When I start to feel like there are too many of them (and it does happen), I scroll over them.
I love it when you make me scroll…
361 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:43:47am |
Goolsbee: March jobs numbers a ‘punch to the gut,’ cites sequester
Austan Goolsbee, the former chairman of President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers, said Friday that the just-released jobs report is a “punch to the gut” and suggested that the tepid number of new jobs added in March is a result of the sequester cuts.
362 | Gus Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:44:32am |
Fisker Automotive, in desperate need of financing, lays off almost its entire workforce lati.ms/jMIWL— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) April 5, 2013
364 | Varek Raith Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:45:13am |
366 | iossarian Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:45:50am |
re: #356 Varek Raith
Fox Blames Obamacare “Death Panels” For Reduced Cancer Treatments Caused By Budget Cuts
Bi-partisan cooperation! A grand bargain! Adults shouldering the burden of painful decisions together!
367 | sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:45:57am |
368 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:46:38am |
re: #365 Gus
Some stock brokers got laid off and took unemployment for a couple of weeks. Nothing to see here, move along.
I took unemployment for like 6 weeks last year and now I am going to have to pay tax on it.
369 | Varek Raith Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:47:02am |
370 | sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:47:41am |
371 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:48:27am |
OK I TOTALLY HAVE TO SHARE THIS DERP. Now we know that RSM is a total pedo & he goes to Mexico to fuck little girls.
Yes, @mypetjawa: It’s true: Age of consent is 12 in Mexico. theothermccain.com/2013/04/05/tee… (See update at end.)— Robert Stacy McCain (@rsmccain) April 5, 2013
372 | Gus Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:51:36am |
re: #371 Vicious Babushka
OK I TOTALLY HAVE TO SHARE THIS DERP. Now we know that RSM is a total pedo & he goes to Mexico to fuck little girls.
Because, MEXICANS! Derp.
373 | Varek Raith Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:52:36am |
374 | Gus Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:52:45am |
What the fuck does Mexico’s consent laws have to do with morning after pills in the USA?
375 | Varek Raith Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:53:16am |
re: #374 Gus
What the fuck does Mexico’s consent laws have to do with morning after pills in the USA?
TERRORISM!
376 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:53:19am |
re: #372 Gus
Because, MEXICANS! Derp.
Stacy McCain is pissed that he can’t just buy a bunch and keep a supply in the basement.
381 | wrenchwench Fri, Apr 5, 2013 9:58:15am |
re: #371 Vicious Babushka
OK I TOTALLY HAVE TO SHARE THIS DERP. Now we know that RSM is a total pedo & he goes to Mexico to fuck little girls.
And his article is all about pregnancy as evidence which must be preserved….
382 | klys Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:02:07am |
re: #365 Gus 802
Man, who needs to provide actual facts or background information in news reports these days?
Are they folks with over a million in retirement savings? Annual income (going to bet on this, as it probably comes from IRS info)? Inquiring minds want to know.
383 | Gus Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:02:16am |
MSNBC derp.
Every @msnbc show has covered the President’s remarks.— adept2u (@adept2u) April 5, 2013
384 | Lidane Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:02:24am |
CNBC host challenges Eric Cantor on gay marriage: ‘No one’s asking you to marry another man’ (VIDEO) bit.ly/10A1i4y— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) April 5, 2013
385 | Gus Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:03:10am |
re: #382 klys
Man, who needs to provide actual facts or background information in news reports these days?
Are they folks with over a million in retirement savings? Annual income (going to bet on this, as it probably comes from IRS info)? Inquiring minds want to know.
Please forgive me for posting a Tweet that might seem critical of unemployment insurance. I shall say my penance and not do it again.
386 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:03:20am |
re: #306 Gus
I can haz context?
Obviously Jefferson is talking about state established religion. That he might not be fond of government taxation in general in favor of a country of yeoman farmers, but common sense is that taxation is necessary for a government to run, and that a government is going to enact laws that some of the citizens do not support.
387 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:04:30am |
re: #326 Political Atheist
I don’t want to link Powerline, but they have a video that is jaw dropping. I understand the frustration that is felt about “technical” gun arguments. Is .223 a big caliber or not etc. It’s a good point.
OTOH we have legislators making decisions that have no idea how guns and magazines and capacity actually works. You can’t well regulate from abject ignorance of the subject.
There needs to be a meet in the middle. Gun owners get to correct that lack of education, and gun owners need to not turn technical molehills into mountains.
They like to legislate about climate with no knowledge about science too. Why not this? Technical details don’t matter after all… ///
388 | Flounder Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:05:13am |
NY State assemblyman wore a wire to save his arse.
I agreed to cooperate with the Bronx District Attorney’s Office and, later, the United States Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York, in conjunction with various investigations aimed at rooting out public corruption
cue ominous music!
389 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:05:29am |
re: #324 NJDhockeyfan
Pink moonbats now have drones!
Activists Scheduled to Fly Drones Over La Jolla Friday Morning
Heh. I wonder if their drones are painted pink?
Works well for hiding them in trailer parks between flights.
//
390 | kirkspencer Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:07:43am |
re: #381 wrenchwench
And his article is all about pregnancy as evidence which must be preserved….
He also rants about how this involves teen sex, and teen sex is wrong.
It rarely fails to astound me how little critical thinking goes into that bit. I mean, why is promiscuity, particularly teen sex, wrong? because it might lead to pregnancy. So why not make sure they have access to and knowledge of contraceptives? Because it encourages promiscuity.
May the circle be unbroken …
391 | Lidane Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:08:39am |
These people are desperate for another set of Crusades. WTF.
Jerry Boykin says Michele Bachmann is “standing on God’s word” by leading anti-Muslim witch hunt bit.ly/14JKbBr— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) April 5, 2013
392 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:10:57am |
ralphieboy, scroll just scroll past!
DERP. EVERY OTHER POTUS HAS ALSO BEEN MOTY & ALSO MOST DICTATORS.
Adolf Hitler 1939 Time Mag. ‘Man of the Year’; Obama 2012 Time Mag. ‘Person of the Year; Is history repeating itself? #nra #tgdn #shtf #tcot— William E Simpson (@NauticalPrepper) April 5, 2013
394 | lawhawk Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:12:23am |
re: #391 Lidane
Which G-d? Which interpretation? And why is your (or his) interpretation any more valid than one that doesn’t see it that way?
Oh wait: I believe mine is right, all others wrong, therefore crudase!
395 | Kragar Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:12:26am |
Federal judge strikes down age restrictions on over-the-counter emergency contraception
A federal judge in the Eastern District of New York ruled Friday morning that emergency contraception, more commonly known as the “morning after pill” or “Plan B,” should be made available to women of all ages over the counter, according to the New York Times. The judge blasted Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius’ argument against doing so as overtly political.
Judge Edward R. Korman, in the case of birth control activist Annie Tummino vs. Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Margaret Hamburg, ruled in a highly critical 59-page opinion, “This case has proven to be particularly controversial because it involves access to emergency contraception for adolescents who should not be engaging in conduct that necessitates the use of such drugs and because of the scientifically unsupported speculation that the drug could interfere with implantation of fertilized eggs. Nevertheless, the issue in this case involves the interpretation of a general statutory and regulatory scheme relating to the approval of drugs for over-the-counter sale. The standards are the same for aspirin and for contraceptives. While the FDA properly recognizes that cognitive and behavioral differences undermine ‘the ability of adolescents to make reasoned decisions about engaging in sexual intercourse,’ the standard for determining whether contraceptives or any other drug should be available over-the-counter turns solely on the ability of the consumer to understand how to use the particular drug ‘safely and effectively.’”
400 | Kragar Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:14:56am |
401 | Kragar Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:15:44am |
I’ll stick with Crom. He gave man one gift and didn’t ask for anything in return.
402 | sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:15:58am |
Yeah, but do you all have Wiki Pages that say it ??
God Shammgod (born April 29, 1976, in New York City, New York) is an American former professional basketball player
404 | lawhawk Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:17:26am |
re: #392 Vicious Babushka
OMG. Hitler was a man of the year for Time Mag.
Guess who else was. Okay, don’t guess. Here’s the list. In.All.It’s. Glory.
Besides Hitler, they gave that cover to Stalin, Winston Churchill, FDR, Truman, Ike, JFK, LBJ, MLK Jr., Pope John XXIII, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Ayatollah Khomeni, Gorby, GHWB, Pope John Paul II, Bill Clinton, GWB, Rudy Giuliani, Putin, and Obama (among others).
405 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:17:52am |
re: #404 lawhawk
OMG. Hitler was a man of the year for Time Mag.
Guess who else was. Okay, don’t guess. Here’s the list. In.All.It’s. Glory.
Besides Hitler, they gave that cover to Stalin, Winston Churchill, FDR, Truman, Ike, JFK, LBJ, MLK Jr., Pope John XXIII, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Ayatollah Khomeni, Gorby, GHWB, Pope John Paul II, Bill Clinton, GWB, Rudy Giuliani, Putin, and Obama (among others).
.@nauticalprepper 1932 FDR 1945 Truman 1959 Ike 1961 JFK 1964 LBJ 1971 Nixon 1976 Carter 1980 Reagan 1990 GHWB 1992 Clinton #UniteBlue #tgdn— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) April 5, 2013
406 | sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:20:58am |
GOAL,,,,,,
GGGOOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL
GOAL GOAL GOAL GOAL
USA Women 1
Germany 0
Amy Wambach
407 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:23:39am |
re: #406 sattv4u2
GOAL,,,,,,
GGGOOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL
GOAL GOAL GOAL GOAL
USA Women 1
Germany 0
Amy Wambach
And I wondered why traffic had ground to a sudden halt here in Germany…
408 | Kragar Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:24:34am |
re: #406 sattv4u2
GOAL,,,,,,
GGGOOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL
GOAL GOAL GOAL GOAL
USA Women 1
Germany 0
Amy Wambach
409 | sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:26:12am |
re: #407 Sol Berdinowitz
And I wondered why traffic had ground to a sudden halt here in Germany…
yeah
They’re playing a ‘friendly’ in Offenbach right now
410 | Kragar Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:27:02am |
Rush Limbaugh Touts 13-Year-Old Who ‘Proved’ Global Warming Is A Hoax
On his radio show this week, Rush Limbaugh was excited to find a 13-year-old caller who discovered “lots of evidence” that global warming is a hoax. 13-year-old Alex from Wilmington, Indiana said evidence he discovered at his local library made it “really easy” to disprove the science.
Limbaugh was so impressed — and genuinely shocked — that climate denier books exist at the library, he offered the kid an iPad.
411 | sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:28:49am |
GOAL,,,,,,
GGGOOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL
GOAL GOAL GOAL GOAL
USA Women 2
Germany 0
Christie Rampone !
412 | Gus Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:29:16am |
North Carolina House Speaker kills legislation to create official state religioneclectablog.com/2013/04/north-…— Craig (@WorkingDemocrat) April 5, 2013
413 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:30:04am |
re: #403 Gus
Sex with beasts is next you libruls! Just you wait!
//
Now, I know I was drunk and a bit horny. And she might not be some pinup model type. But beast is a bit harsh. Although “coyote” did come to mind when the sun came up.
//
414 | klys Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:30:55am |
re: #385 Gus
Please forgive me for posting a Tweet that might seem critical of unemployment insurance. I shall say my penance and not do it again.
Just to be clear, my criticism is of the Bloomberg piece and not you or criticism of unemployment insurance. I think it’s fair to ask questions about it. I was just irritated at how light on facts the Bloomberg piece was, because saying that someone is a millionaire doesn’t describe whether that is in annual income or through acquired savings, which are very different things.
415 | sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:31:10am |
re: #413 Eventual Carrion
Now, I know I was drunk and a bit horny. And she might not be some pinup model type. But beast is a bit harsh. Although “coyote” did come to mind when the sun came up.
//
“she” must have been REAL drunk!!!
/
416 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:32:20am |
re: #409 sattv4u2
yeah
They’re playing a ‘friendly’ in Offenbach right now
On my first Father’s Day in Germany as a father, I though I would do the fatherly thing and watch a soccer game on TV. Tuned in the Offenbach game.
Within minutes, the goalie had been decked by an iron rod thrown from the stands, there were flares going off and riot police wading in with truncheons.
Hope this game is a bit “friendlier”…
417 | Lidane Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:32:25am |
Cue all the predictable howling from the usual suspects:
Renowned primatologist Frans de Waal argues our sense of morality can be traced back to our primate relatives: bit.ly/10z0Lja— Mother Jones (@MotherJones) April 5, 2013
418 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:32:33am |
419 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:33:30am |
re: #416 Sol Berdinowitz
On my first Father’s Day in Germany as a father, I though I would do the fatherly thing and watch a soccer game on TV. Tuned in the Offenbach game.
Within minutes, the goalie had been decked by an iron rod thrown from the stands, there were flares going off and riot police wading in with truncheons.
Hope this game is a bit “friendlier”…
I understand that “Father’s Day” in Germany is not the same as Father’s Day in the U.S. and that it involves quite a bit more alcohol, is that correct?
420 | klys Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:33:57am |
re: #419 Vicious Babushka
I understand that “Father’s Day” in Germany is not the same as Father’s Day in the U.S. and that it involves quite a bit more alcohol, is that correct?
Isn’t that every holiday in Germany?
421 | sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:36:45am |
GOAL,,,,,,
GGGOOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL
GOAL GOAL GOAL GOAL
USA Women 2
Germany 1
Kulig
422 | lawhawk Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:36:46am |
This is what an oil spill looks like when it’s in your front yard. Oh wait, it’s not an oil spill. It’s a dilbit emanation. Not oil. Therefore the pipeline owners don’t have to pay taxes into the oil spill recovery funds to defray cleanup costs for when these sort of actions happen.
How did tar sands get treated as not oil? When the oil barons got together with the IRS and deemed it so.
423 | geoffm33 Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:36:56am |
I was sitting behind a couple of older gentleman at a subshop today. They were about 70 if I had to guess. Ranting about not being able to trust anyone nowadays. One of them says “I don’t trust anyone. I don’t trust Obama. The ‘stock market’ is down a hundred, hundred and fifty today. Throw the bum out.”
I giggled, until I realized they vote.
424 | Kragar Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:37:44am |
Hactivist Group Anonymous Attacks North Korea
As tensions continue to rise on the Korean peninsula, internet hactivist collective Anonymous has joined the fray — and appears to have been very successful at penetrating North Korea’s superficial cybersecurity defenses. ReadWrite reports:
“On Tuesday, the group claimed to have stolen 15,000 passwords from the communist nation as part of what it calls Operation North Korea. Late Wednesday, as tensions rose in Kaesong over the North’s closure and seizure of a industrial park it shares with the South, along with repeated declarations of nuclear launch, Anonymous advanced its own chess pieces. The hackers allegedly seized control of North Korea’s official Twitter and Flickr accounts, in the process defacing several related websites, and making the autocratic nation look extremely unprepared for cyber attack.”
Yeah, that will help cool things down. Thanks a pantsload guys.
425 | Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:38:00am |
re: #419 Vicious Babushka
I understand that “Father’s Day” in Germany is not the same as Father’s Day in the U.S. and that it involves quite a bit more alcohol, is that correct?
Yes, it is on Christi Himmelfahrt, the Feast of the Ascension, and it involves a lot of alcohol, what makes it different from other holidays of the year is that it is the one day when dad can get as drunk as he wants and the wife can’t say anything about it…
426 | sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:39:55am |
DISALLOWED USA GOAL,,,,,,
GGGOOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL
GOAL GOAL GOAL GOAL
USA Women 2
Germany 1
Questionable offsides call!!
427 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:43:29am |
re: #426 sattv4u2
DISALLOWED USA GOAL,,,,,,
GGGOOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL
GOAL GOAL GOAL GOAL
USA Women 2
Germany 1
Questionable offsides call!!
Marx won that one.
;)
428 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:44:43am |
DERP
Hillary has signed a book deal for another memoir due next year. Will be called “50 Shades Of Gray Pantsuits.”— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) April 5, 2013
429 | sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:44:47am |
USA GOAL,,,,,,
GGGOOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL
GOAL GOAL GOAL GOAL
USA Women 3
Germany 1
Alex Morgan
430 | sattv4u2 Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:45:14am |
431 | Interesting Times Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:45:49am |
50 Shades of FAIL:
Target apologises for ‘Manatee Gray’ plus-sized dress
US retailer Target has apologised for labelling a plus-sized dress after a rotund marine mammal.
Uproar followed when a shopper tweeted a screengrab of the “Manatee Gray” dress from Target’s website.
432 | Kragar Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:46:15am |
Fox News tells striking workers to get two jobs and ‘expect to get paid the minimum wage’
On Thursday, hundreds of restaurant workers in New York City went on strike to demand a wage of at least $15 an hour. The current median wage of $9 an hour puts workers at about $4,500 lower that the poverty threshold of $23,000 for a family of four. The current minimum wage in New York City is $7.25.
“Here’s the deal, you’re a minimum wage worker, that’s an entry-level salary,” Fox News host Brian Kilmeade opined on Friday. “If you’re good, you’ll get a raise.”
“Minimum wage was never meant to be a career wage. If you work hard you will get higher — you will get more money. Here’s the other thing, as hard as it is in some cases, because you are a single mom or a single dad, you’ve got to get another job. You’ve got to get another job on top of that so you have two incomes.”
“Brian you hit on the nose, I think, the key thing,” co-host Steve Doocy remarked. “If it is a minimum wage job, expect to get paid the minimum wage.”
I wonder how much money Fox News could save by firing their current “talent” and bringing in some minimum wage folks.
433 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:47:23am |
re: #432 Kragar
Fox News tells striking workers to get two jobs and ‘expect to get paid the minimum wage’
I wonder how much money Fox News could save by firing their current “talent” and bringing in some minimum wage folks.
FYIGM
434 | Bulworth Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:47:50am |
re: #428 Vicious Babushka
I think Ann has lost a step or three. Very low quality derp.
435 | Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:48:10am |
437 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:51:23am |
Wingnuts think this is something to be PROUD OF! WTF.
@ledamaae @nmjune @eyeneedtono @pudingtane @sokmnkee @jvindio2 The only time my mother didn’t cook was when she delivered a baby, 5 daystops— Poetmaggie (@poetmaggie) April 5, 2013
438 | kirkspencer Fri, Apr 5, 2013 10:51:56am |
re: #432 Kragar
Fox News tells striking workers to get two jobs and ‘expect to get paid the minimum wage’
I wonder how much money Fox News could save by firing their current “talent” and bringing in some minimum wage folks.
People really don’t pay attention to history. They don’t pay attention to all the strikes - all the union formations - of a century ago. Times when our forefathers worked like dogs, received a pittance often forcing a choice between food and other necessities, and could be fired at the whim of a supervisor.
Everyone associates these with miners, but railways and teamsters and, well, almost every field formed unions in reaction; as a way to band together, to have numbers capable of matching the numbers and wealth of the owners.