Climate Change Denier James Delingpole: ‘Hanging Is Far Too Good’ for Climate Scientists

With bonus “pretended denial”
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He’d be Britain’s most deranged and dishonest climate change denier if that title weren’t already owned by Christopher Monckton, but today’s article at The Telegraph by James Delingpole breaks new ground, even for him. As Joe Romm puts it at ClimateProgress, this really does amount to hate speech, an especially ugly and virulent form: Denier Delingpole Wishes for ‘Climate Nuremberg’, Says ‘Hanging Is Far Too Good’ for Climate Scientists!

If you ever needed (more) proof that the professional deniers are driven by a mindless rage devoid of any actual science, I urge you to read James Delingpole’s latest piece.

It will nauseate you — consider yourself warned. But I think it’s important to dissect this hate speech in detail because Delingpole seems to think that hate speech isn’t hate speech if you just use rhetoric — the figures of speech, like metaphor.

Having spent a quarter century studying rhetoric and having just published a well-received book on this very subject — Language Intelligence: Lessons on persuasion from Jesus, Shakespeare, Lincoln, and Lady Gaga — I think I can safely say that is bullshit, though most likely only metaphorical bullshit (see below).

You may recall Delingpole’s 2011 meltdown on the BBC, where they got him to admit he is a hand-waving know-nothing: “It is not my job to sit down and read peer-reviewed papers because I simply haven’t got the time…. I am an interpreter of interpretations.” This pieces makes that meltdown look like the height of lucidity.

The piece is worth examining in detail because I think it is indicative of how the deniers and disinformers really feel — and we’ll know if that’s true if none of them denounce it.

The headline is “An English class for trolls, professional offence-takers and climate activists.” Delingpole is going to lecture us plebes on our native tongue.

Under the headline is the photo above, which is one of the popular pictures of the post-WWII Nuremberg trials in which Nazis were tried for “war crimes” and “crimes against humanity.” The Telegraph’s caption is simply, “Not pictured: Monbiot, Flannery, Mann….” That would be George Monbiot, Tim Flannery, and Michael Mann.

Deniers like Delingpole, who are fighting like cornered rats to keep humanity from doing anything at all to ameliorate the effects of climate change, are truly awful, awful people.

If Delingpole were alive during the Renaissance he’d have been one of the clergy, accusing Galileo of heresy and calling for his execution.

Galileo facing the Roman Inquisition (James Delingpole, 3rd from left)

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1 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:05:34pm

I was at work.

Bring me up to speed on what is happening in Egypt.

2 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:06:04pm

Hanging Is Far Too Good

because all this climate change agitation threatens the profit margins of oil companies?

3 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:14:07pm

the hockey stick

even if global warming never came to pass, any reasonable person would agree that a radical reduction in carbon monoxide release worldwide would be highly desirable, and that we desperately need to diversify our energy sources so that some unexpected scarcity in petroleum would not bring industrial society to its knees

it’s really creepy that people like delingpole take the fight to melodramatic emotional heights more appropriate to deaths of loved ones and similar personal tragedies

4 Kragar  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:14:12pm

Yeah, because when people provide scientific evidence to a major problem, the only sensible thing to do is to hang them.

5 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:16:44pm

I think at this point, the mask has slipped off the Brotherhood enough for the Jordanian King to have a reason to ban them.

He can just point out the fact that they will go out and attack Christians, which make up about 6-7% of Jordan (Which is impressive, considering at the turn of the last century it was 0-1%. Then again the population in total was likely 100k at best. Jordan was rather deserted at the beginning of the century.)

6 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:18:05pm

re: #5 ProBosniaLiberal

It’s netiquette to wait at least 50 comments into the thread before going OT.

7 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:18:52pm

re: #6 Vicious Babushka

Sorry. Can someone tell me what happened with this Cathedral thing. I was working 8-430.

8 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:19:02pm

re: #4 Kragar

Yeah, because when people provide scientific evidence to a major problem, the only sensible thing to do is to hang them.

It worked for the Catholic Church!

///

9 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:19:09pm

re: #3 engineer cat

the hockey stick

even if global warming never came to pass, any reasonable person would agree that a radical reduction in carbon monoxide release worldwide would be highly desirable, and that we desperately need to diversify our energy sources so that some unexpected scarcity in petroleum would not bring industrial society to its knees

it’s really creepy that people like delingpole take the fight to melodramatic emotional heights more appropriate to deaths of loved ones and similar personal tragedies

Carbon dioxide levels are more a concern than monoxide.

10 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:20:16pm

re: #7 ProBosniaLiberal

Sorry. Can someone tell me what happened with this Cathedral thing. I was working 8-430.

We’re talking climate denial.

If you want to talk about something else, hang on a bit or start your own page.

11 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:21:01pm

Godwin detected.

12 dragonath  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:21:21pm

I remember doing research for a paper a few years ago and finding articles from the right wing British papers denying Ocean Acidfication.

So yeah, nothing new, except perhaps they can let their freak flag fly openly in the UKIP.

13 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:22:26pm

If Delingpole were alive during the Renaissance he would have been one of the clergy, accusing Galileo of heresy and calling for his execution.

14 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:22:37pm

re: #10 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I’ll wait then.

Fortunately, this time we can say, “He’s not ours.”

Unfortunately, he’s still a smug douche.

re: #11 Varek Raith

And unusually, from the OTHER direction.

15 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:24:14pm

climate denial

i moved to california so that i could ignore the existence of winter

16 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:25:33pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

If Delingpole were alive during the Renaissance he would have been one of the clergy, accusing Galileo of heresy and calling for his execution.

Hey, what’s the name of that Australian blogger, another denier, that was occasionally freaking out about your stance? Was also a sports blogger.

17 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:26:34pm

Here’s some info on this classless clown:

He describes himself as being a libertarian conservative.

Translation: His beliefs are “fuck you, got mine”

In 2013 he created controversy when he described an article by a fellow journalist which attacked the views of columnist Suzanne Moore as giving her “such a seeing-to, she’ll be walking bow-legged for weeks.”

Is a misogynistic douche.

A Greenpeace investigation later revealed that Delingpole’s campaign was supported by the Conservative Party’s campaign manager for the Corby by-election, Chris Heaton-Harris. Heaton-Harris said that Delingpole had announced his candidacy as part of a “plan” to “cause some hassle” and drive the issue of wind farms up the political agenda.

And is nothing but an expensive blow-up-doll for corrupt interests.

19 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:26:55pm

re: #16 Gus

Tim Blair?

20 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:27:05pm

Delingpole is doing his best to make the information Mann has produced, and that has been backed up by studies not using tree rings, look like it was a lie. He doesn’t have the intellectual honesty, or the knowledge base to make any kind of moral comment about Mann’s work.

21 dragonath  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:27:29pm

re: #1 ProBosniaLiberal

I was at work.

Bring me up to speed on what is happening in Egypt.

First there were the Pharaohs, then the Greeks, then the Romans, then the Arabs…

22 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:28:00pm
23 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:28:25pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Tim Blair?

Yeah, that’s him. Delingpole’s derp here reminded me that we haven’t heard from Tim Blair for some time now.

24 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:33:25pm

re: #23 Gus

Just took a quick look at his blog - same old stale wingnut one-liners.

25 blueraven  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:34:20pm

OT: The Newtown parents are on 60 minutes right now. So painful.

26 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:34:46pm

re: #3 engineer cat

the hockey stick

even if global warming never came to pass, any reasonable person would agree that a radical reduction in carbon monoxide release worldwide would be highly desirable, and that we desperately need to diversify our energy sources so that some unexpected scarcity in petroleum would not bring industrial society to its knees

it’s really creepy that people like delingpole take the fight to melodramatic emotional heights more appropriate to deaths of loved ones and similar personal tragedies

Delingpole and his fellow nimrods have only emotion, although they truly believe the left is emotional and they’re the ones being objective.

Most of them wouldn’t know a scientific/logical/objective argument if you hit them over the knuckles with it.

27 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:36:50pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Just took a quick look at his blog - same old stale wingnut one-liners.

I was just there, via tamino’s blog, Open Mind

I was about to make a comment there then decided they aren’t worth the time.

28 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:41:51pm

What?! No Walking Dead tonight!?? It’s a conspiracy.

Never got into Mad Men - not into the nasty soap opera stuff, unless there are zombies.

29 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:43:42pm

If anyone hasn’t seen O Brother Where Art Thou by the Coens, you’ve missed one of the great movies of the modern age. The cornpone version of Ulysses.

30 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:44:29pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Just took a quick look at his blog - same old stale wingnut one-liners.

limbaugh and his ilk have taught wingnuts that sarcastic cracks are adequate and dispositive responses to facts and logic

31 dragonath  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:44:33pm

“I don’t want FOP goddammit!”

32 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:44:53pm

The Sirens:

33 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:44:59pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

If anyone hasn’t seen O Brother Where Art Thou by the Coens, you’ve missed one of the great movies of the modern age. The cornpone version of Ulysses.

They loved him up and turned him into a horny toad!
:D

34 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:46:16pm

The truth will eventually become too obvious to deny. We won’t have to trouble ourselves pronouncing sentence on Delingpole and his ilk though. They have already sentenced themselves to spend their final years in a hellish wilderness, surrounded by resentful refugees from even hotter and less habitable regions to the south.

35 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:47:56pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

If anyone hasn’t seen O Brother Where Art Thou by the Coens, you’ve missed one of the great movies of the modern age. The cornpone version of Ulysses.

it has a lot of authentic country music of the kind now called ‘old-timey’, that is, the type of popular country music that was played in the 20s and 30s and that was the direct ancestor of the more urban and slick genre invented about 1940 and known as ‘bluegrass’, that is also of course featured in the movie

36 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:49:22pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

The Sirens:

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y’all mean ‘siy-reens’

37 jhrhv  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:50:40pm

I was at the Museo Galileo last year. They have everything in the museum in a virtual online tour.

I don’t want to belittle his exile from the city/town of Florence however as an amateur astronomer the hills where he got exiled to would be a great place to do night sky observation. As a cyclist I could have rode into town for some of that awesome gelato and mille fleurs in about 20 minutes.

38 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:51:33pm

re: #35 engineer cat

it has a lot of authentic country music of the kind now called ‘old-timey’, that is, the type of popular country music that was played in the 20s and 30s and that was the direct ancestor of the more urban and slick genre invented about 1940 and known as ‘bluegrass’, that is also of course featured in the movie

I have CDs of the movie soundtrack and also 3 or so CDs from Alison Krause and Union Station. One of their singers does the version of “Man of Constant Sorrow” used in the movie. (And they joke about it in concert, the singer’s wife gets to hear her husband’s voice - in George Clooney’s body.)

39 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:52:12pm
40 Stanley Sea  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:53:57pm

These people are dangerous. Conjuring up Nuremburg in response to scientists? Be very wary, as we are, but…..

41 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:57:19pm

The Soggy Bottom Boys - I Am A Man Of Constant Sorrow

42 Stanley Sea  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:57:24pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

What?! No Walking Dead tonight!?? It’s a conspiracy.

Never got into Mad Men - not into the nasty soap opera stuff, unless there are zombies.

The setting, aesthetics are to die for. I was born then, see the same sofas in my parents photos. I’m so excited.

43 Stanley Sea  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 4:59:10pm

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel

The truth will eventually become too obvious to deny. We won’t have to trouble ourselves pronouncing sentence on Delingpole and his ilk though. They have already sentenced themselves to spend their final years in a hellish wilderness, surrounded by resentful refugees from even hotter and less habitable regions to the south.

No, they’ll just have to explain their life to their grandchildren. A lot of retrospect will be had. Btw, how old is dingleberry?

44 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:00:08pm

here is the original recording of ‘indian war whoop’ as heard in ‘o brother where art thou’ when baby face nelson (or was it pretty boy floyd?) was being frog marched to his doom

indian war whoop, floyd ming and his pep steppers, 1928

45 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:02:09pm

I believe that’s Dan Tyminski from Alison Krauss’s band singing the lead. George Clooney does a pretty good job of lip syncing it.

46 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:02:25pm

re: #43 Stanley Sea

No, they’ll just have to explain their life to their grandchildren. A lot of retrospect will be had. Btw, how old is dingleberry?

He’s 47 or 48, could live another 40 years easily, maybe longer if the refugee hordes don’t get him.

47 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:05:19pm

Here’s Dan Tyminski and Don Block doing the song at the Crossroads Festival. He’s an awesome singer.

48 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:05:59pm

also, a less well known fun fact to know and tell about ‘o brother where art thou’:

the title is taken from a preston sturges comedy called ‘sullivan’s travels’, 1941

it’s about an idealistic but sheltered movie director. at the beginning, there is clip from his latest movie (as a character in the film, i mean). it shows two guys in suits fighting in the water of a lake or something, and presumably drowning together as they fight….

after The End, the director character says, “don’t you see??? labor and capital fighting each other to the death!”

the name of this unreleased epic in the movie is “o brother, where art thou?”

49 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:06:06pm

This is from the Greatest Coen Brothers film EVER.

50 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:07:06pm

I used to have the soundtrack CD of O Brother Where Art Thou. Maybe it’s still up in the Cloud.

51 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:07:07pm

A lot of wildlife will be fleeing north as well: giant cockroaches, poisonous snakes, venomous frogs, army ants, obnoxious varmints of every kind. British country life will never be the same.

53 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:11:58pm

At least we didn’t use those nasty drones:

Children Killed in U.S. Afghan Attack

thedailybeast.com

54 HoosierHoops  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:14:58pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

I believe that’s Dan Tyminski from Alison Krauss’s band singing the lead. George Clooney does a pretty good job of lip syncing it.

Clooney wanted to sing the song..But they wouldn’t let him..

55 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:15:52pm

re: #51 Shiplord Kirel

A lot of wildlife will be fleeing north as well: giant cockroaches, poisonous snakes, venomous frogs, army ants, obnoxious varmints of every kind. British country life will never be the same.

I’m not as worried about poisonous insects and snakes coming north to Canada as I am about Tea Partiers.

56 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:16:48pm

Holy shit, was just reading through some Medieval torture techniques. Those people were beyond insane.

57 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:18:16pm

re: #56 Gus

Holy shit, was just reading through some Medieval torture techniques. Those people were beyond insane.

If Galileo had not been so famous for his time, he would certainly have been tortured and murdered by those freaks.

58 compound_Idaho  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:22:19pm

re: #26 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

The topic reminds me of this from a couple of months ago. Science and the public do not have much of a relationship.

22 October 2012 Last updated at 18:04 ET Help
An Italian court has sentenced six scientists and a government official to six years each in prison over the 2009 L’Aquila earthquake.

Prosecutors said they gave a falsely reassuring statement regarding the risk of an earthquake, just days before the 6.3 magnitude quake which destroyed the city and killed 309 people.

The scientists argued there was no accurate way to predict major earthquakes.

Alan Johnston reports from Rome.

bbc.co.uk

59 Kragar  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:24:25pm

CREEPING SHARIA!

London Sharia council caught treating divorce like North Carolina Republicans

A Sharia council in London was revealed Sunday to have utterly failed the community of battered Islamic wives in Britain by forcing numerous women to stay with abusive husbands, ostensibly to work out their differences with the help of God.

Secret video shot inside the Leyton Islamic Sharia Council, later obtained by BBC One’s program “Panorama”, shows Dr. Suhaib Hasan, in thick beard and thicker glasses, listening as a woman pleads with him to grant her divorce.

“I hate him,” she says. “I can’t even bear to look at him, he has ruined my life.”

Instead of granting her request, Hasan sent the couple away for another month of counseling, in what the BBC says has become a common order of business for the group.

While that might sound shocking to most endowed with western sensibilities, it bears a striking resemblance to a plan to make divorce harder in North Carolina, hatched by Republicans who currently have near complete control of their state’s government following last November’s election.

The so-called “Healthy Marriage Act” works by mandating a two-year waiting period for all divorce requests, during which time the couple would be required to undergo marriage counseling and take classes on improving communications skills and the impacts of divorce on children. It does not require that the couple live together or take classes together.

60 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:24:46pm

re: #58 compound_Idaho

The topic reminds me of this from a couple of months ago. Science and the public do not have much of a relationship.

22 October 2012 Last updated at 18:04 ET Help
An Italian court has sentenced six scientists and a government official to six years each in prison over the 2009 L’Aquila earthquake.

Prosecutors said they gave a falsely reassuring statement regarding the risk of an earthquake, just days before the 6.3 magnitude quake which destroyed the city and killed 309 people.

The scientists argued there was no accurate way to predict major earthquakes.

Alan Johnston reports from Rome.

bbc.co.uk

That was idiotic. The best a scientist can do in that kind of scenario is give a range of probabilities.

61 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:25:35pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

If Galileo had not been so famous for his time, he would certainly have been tortured and murdered by those freaks.

Galileo caught shit for his science, and for a very unwise joke:

Did Galileo get in trouble for being right, or for being a jerk about it?

io9.com

62 Stanley Sea  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:28:00pm

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel

He’s 47 or 48, could live another 40 years easily, maybe longer if the refugee hordes don’t get him.

He will have a lot to atone for by then.

63 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:28:21pm

re: #61 Decatur Deb

Galileo caught shit for his science, and for a very unwise joke:

Did Galileo get in trouble for being right, or for being a jerk about it?

io9.com

A bit of both?

Maybe he also had a bit of spaghetti between his teeth.

64 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:29:09pm

I am so ashamed. I got downdinged.

65 Stanley Sea  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:32:04pm

1.5 hours to Mad Men. I’m a freak. At least I didn’t go out and buy the ingredients for Manhattans. Like the Wine Librarian did..

66 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:32:41pm

re: #65 Stanley Sea

1.5 hours to Mad Men. I’m a freak. At least I didn’t go out and buy the ingredients for Manhattans. Like the Wine Librarian did..

Admitting it is the first step to recovery.

67 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:33:44pm

Oh heck. I just realized that many of those holy noble Catholic inquisitors have been in heaven for only 900 years leaving them billions more years, no wait, infinity, to frolic in heaven! //

68 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:34:15pm

re: #63 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

A bit of both?

Maybe he also had a bit of spaghetti between his teeth.

Best description of his science politics might be in Koestler’s “The Sleepwalkers”. His daughters were nuns, and one wrote almost daily to him for the rest of his life—letters collected in “Galileo’s Daughter”.

amazon.com

69 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:35:49pm
70 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:36:11pm

re: #68 Decatur Deb

Best description of his science politics might be in Koestler’s “The Sleepwalkers”. His daughters were nuns, and one wrote almost daily to him for the rest of his life—letters collected in “Galileo’s Daughter”.

amazon.com

Great book! I’ve read that one.

71 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:38:30pm
72 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:40:06pm

re: #67 Gus

Oh heck. I just realized that many of those holy noble Catholic inquisitors have been in heaven for only 900 years leaving them billions more years, no wait, infinity, to frolic in heaven! //

They’re way too uptight to frolic. They’re more likely to self-flagellate for eternity.

73 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:40:53pm

re: #72 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

They’re way too uptight to frolic. They’re more likely to self-flagellate for eternity.

Yes, but at least they’re in a better place now. //

74 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:40:59pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

The Pear of Anguish

I have read that this device was not actually used, that it was invented at a much later date, the 1800’s I think, as a “collector’s item.”

I’m not sure about this, but don’t want to Google it.

75 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:41:29pm

Yep, during the medieval and early Renaissance eras, the Catholic Church and their puppet governments were incredibly inventive when it came to making people die in horrible agony.

76 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:42:08pm

Wow, I just loaded Amazon Cloud Player and it has my CDs of O Brother Where Art Thou and Dan Tymanski “Carry Me Across the Mountain”

78 Kragar  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:49:38pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

The Pear of Anguish

6 Ridiculous History Myths (You Probably Think Are True)

Despite being one of the most famous torture devices ever (and having a heavy metal band named after them), Iron Maidens didn’t exist back then, and there’s no record they were ever used on anyone. If you’re saying, “But I’ve seen them in museums!” well, that’s why they exist. These kind of “horrors of the medieval times” exhibits were hugely popular in the 19th century and it appears the Iron Maidens they showed off were cobbled together for the exhibit.

That terrible pear thing that they used to punish sodomy and adultery by ripping the offending organs to shreds from the inside? Also a myth. Nobody can find any reference to the device before the 17th century, and no record at all of it being used to destroy somebody’s asshole.

What about the spiked chair? It’s supposedly a device of the Spanish Inquisition, but once again there’s no record of them using it, or anybody else.

Oh, don’t get us wrong. The medieval times sucked, and lots of people were tortured. But the torturers apparently didn’t spend nearly as much time as we think gleefully coming up with diabolical devices to inflict their horrors.

79 Kragar  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:50:18pm

re: #74 Vicious Babushka

I have read that this device was not actually used, that it was invented at a much later date, the 1800’s I think, as a “collector’s item.”

I’m not sure about this, but don’t want to Google it.

Don’t worry, I got this one.

80 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:52:38pm

Gus, can you give a rundown of what happened at the Cathedral in Egypt?

Also, I stand by my assertion that Abdullah II has enough reason now to proscribe the MB in Jordan.

81 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:53:53pm

re: #80 ProBosniaLiberal

Gus, can you give a rundown of what happened at the Cathedral in Egypt?

Also, I stand by my assertion that Abdullah II has enough reason now to proscribe the MB in Jordan.

1 dead and 20 injured last I heard. Haven’t seen anything for a while now.

82 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:54:48pm

re: #80 ProBosniaLiberal

Gus, can you give a rundown of what happened at the Cathedral in Egypt?

Also, I stand by my assertion that Abdullah II has enough reason now to proscribe the MB in Jordan.

Are you referring to this?

83 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:54:55pm

80 injured. bbc.co.uk

Morsi’s a worthless piece of shit.

84 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:55:49pm

re: #80 ProBosniaLiberal

Gus, can you give a rundown of what happened at the Cathedral in Egypt?

Also, I stand by my assertion that Abdullah II has enough reason now to proscribe the MB in Jordan.

See? Patience works.

85 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:56:38pm

re: #78 Kragar

No way - next you’ll try to tell me the Judas Cradle is a myth too.

/

86 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:58:11pm

re: #56 Gus

Holy shit, was just reading through some Medieval torture techniques. Those people were beyond insane.

Breaking on the wheel always makes my testicles contract.

87 Stanley Sea  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:00:05pm

re: #83 Gus

80 injured. bbc.co.uk

Morsi’s a worthless piece of shit.

And pray hope, the people will persevere.

88 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:00:26pm

re: #86 Romantic Heretic

Breaking on the wheel always makes my testicles contract.

That has to be totally true because it was in that Mel Gibson movie about William Wallace!!1//

89 Stanley Sea  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:00:40pm

See ya! Madmen

90 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:01:55pm
91 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:03:36pm

re: #88 Vicious Babushka

That has to be totally true because it was in that Mel Gibson movie about William Wallace!!1//

AKA the Catherine wheel. No, it was used. Last used in the 19th century.

92 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:04:07pm

re: #84 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

There was that article in the Atlantic, saying how he seemed to feel like he seemed to be surrounded by fruitcakes.

I think the MB has finally given him the weapon he needs to ban them. He should now use the banhammer.

Jordan really needs foreign aid as well. Pull what we give Egypt, Pakistan, and Israel, give it to them till we can figure out a permanent solution for a Jordanian Economy.

I suppose reviving Greater Syria is out of the question?

93 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:05:01pm

re: #69 Gus

Image: Torture_Inquisition.jpg

Holy work.

My favourite author calls The Inquisition ‘the first modern organization.’ Because of the way they recorded everything. Even the torture sessions had a notary attending who took down every word.

94 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:06:21pm

re: #92 ProBosniaLiberal

Greater Syria in this case meaning Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq. Possibly Palestine.

95 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:09:24pm

re: #93 Romantic Heretic

My favourite author calls The Inquisition ‘the first modern organization.’ Because of the way they recorded everything. Even the torture sessions had a notary attending who took down every word.

They probably used what ever they could find. Tools.

96 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:13:56pm

re: #88 Vicious Babushka

That has to be totally true because it was in that Mel Gibson movie about William Wallace!!1//

The description I heard of breaking on the wheel required only household items. Household for the 17th Century. I’m putting it as a spoiler because if you read how it worked it will spoil your next meal, at least.

They took the victim and put his limbs through the spokes of a wagon wheel. Then those limbs were broken with iron rods until flexible, at which point his limbs were tied in a knot. The wheel was lifted by a rope or chain until the wheel and victim were hanging high in the air.

They left him there until the victim died, which took two to three days.

And some people long for the good old days.

97 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:16:57pm

It’s frikken snowing - again.

Where the hell is SPRING??

98 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:19:04pm

re: #96 Romantic Heretic

The description I heard of breaking on the wheel required only household items. Household for the 17th Century. I’m putting it as a spoiler because if you read how it worked it will spoil your next meal, at least.

*Spoiler*

And some people long for the good old days.

What’s wrong with that?
— Fox News

99 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:20:23pm

re: #97 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Philly is getting some of it this week. wunderground.com

100 Kragar  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:20:35pm

re: #97 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

It’s frikken snowing - again.

Where the hell is SPRING??

Spring is here…

101 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:23:05pm

re: #99 PhillyPretzel

Philly is getting some of it this week. wunderground.com

23F and heavy snow on Tuesday. But first. 71 tomorrow.

102 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:24:24pm

Oh great. After tomorrow it’ll suck all week.

103 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:24:56pm

re: #54 HoosierHoops

Clooney wanted to sing the song..But they wouldn’t let him..

Yep. But the actor who played Delmar is the actual singer of the “In the Jailhouse Now” number. :)

Tim Blake Nelson

(in the neighborhood of B)

104 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:26:44pm

re: #78 Kragar

6 Ridiculous History Myths (You Probably Think Are True)

The soft cushions and the Comfy Chair were sufficient to made even those made of sterner stuff to confess.
;)

105 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:26:48pm

re: #102 Gus

It is supposed to be very warm this week. National Weather Service has higher temps than Weather Underground.

106 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:33:49pm

re: #105 PhillyPretzel

It is supposed to be very warm this week. National Weather Service has higher temps than Weather Underground.

Of course it will. I spent a chunk of the afternoon prepping all my plant pots and even potting a new rosemary plant and planting my basil seeds.

107 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:38:08pm

re: #96 Romantic Heretic

The description I heard of breaking on the wheel required only household items. Household for the 17th Century. I’m putting it as a spoiler because if you read how it worked it will spoil your next meal, at least.

[Embedded content]

And some people long for the good old days.

Tough love!

108 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:41:26pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

If Galileo had not been so famous for his time, he would certainly have been tortured and murdered by those freaks.

He had some friends in the Church who were able to keep the Inquisition from going after him full-bore.

109 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:42:50pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

Tough love!

Heck, my father hit me with a belt and I turned out OK. People are too PC these days. I’m sure the left thinks we’re warped for thinking the breaking wheel was perfectly fine. More in the line of the emasculation of American society. /

110 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:43:57pm

re: #92 ProBosniaLiberal

There was that article in the Atlantic, saying how he seemed to feel like he seemed to be surrounded by fruitcakes.

I think the MB has finally given him the weapon he needs to ban them. He should now use the banhammer.

Jordan really needs foreign aid as well. Pull what we give Egypt, Pakistan, and Israel, give it to them till we can figure out a permanent solution for a Jordanian Economy.

I suppose reviving Greater Syria is out of the question?

Risky, since driving them underground might just make them more dangerous. If that is to be done, best to do it with a limited period in which current MB members can renounce their membership and avoid prosecution in they have committed no other crimes.

111 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:44:37pm

re: #100 Kragar

Spring is here…

112 dragonath  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:57:58pm

I wonder how many Wheelers have named their daughter Catherine

113 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 7:05:35pm
114 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 7:06:11pm

I got to get up early tomorrow. Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

115 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 7:17:12pm

re: #109 Gus

Heck, my father hit me with a belt and I turned out OK. People are too PC these days. I’m sure the left thinks we’re warped for thinking the breaking wheel was perfectly fine. More in the line of the emasculation of American society. /

I was hit with a belt, and a fist, and thrown against a wall, and smacked on the back of the head with whatever was at hand.

I didn’t turn out OK.

116 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 7:17:25pm

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During a US Army chaplain inspection of the newly liberated Buchenwald concentration camp, G. Bromley Oxnam (right), the Methodist bishop of New York and President of the Federated Council of Churches of Christ in America, views a demonstration of how prisoners were tortured in Buchenwald. Buchenwald, Germany, April 27, 1945.

117 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 7:19:27pm

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An author and actor who was imprisoned in 1937 for 27 months for homosexuality. In 1942, he was deported to Sachsenhausen concentration camp where he was a prisoner for three years. Berlin, Germany, before 1937.

118 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 7:22:01pm
119 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 7:26:11pm
120 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 7:35:17pm

re: #94 ProBosniaLiberal

A must read on Egypt:

The Pharaoh Weeps

By Judith Miller

While Cairo may still be safer than Chicago, or even New York, Egyptian women, for the first time in memory, fear shopping or taking cabs at night. Cairo’s police, blamed for the deaths of protestors and unhappy with their pay, working conditions, and lack of respect, sit in their precinct houses, refusing to provide security that Egyptians once took for granted. Tourists have vanished, depriving Egypt of a vital source of jobs and hard currency. Unemployment has risen from 9.8 percent in 2010 to 13 percent today. Inflation is officially 8.7 percent, though more like 9.5 percent, or even higher, for food and basic commodities, say economists. Even these figures are misleading, since an estimated 40 percent of Egypt’s economy is “black” or informal, unregulated by and unreported to the government, according to Hazem el-Beblawi, an economist who served as deputy prime minister under the army’s unpopular transition government in 2011. Beblawi, a strong advocate of free-market liberalism who resigned his post that year, accusing the army of taking Egypt in the “wrong direction,” says youth unemployment probably tops 19 percent. Egypt, he estimates, has less than its officially claimed $13.5 billion in hard-currency reserves (versus $36 billion before the revolution). “Egypt imports roughly $60 billion worth of goods and services,” he says. “It exports under $25 billion.”

By summer, Beblawi predicts, the government will be unable to import the wheat that sustains the poor—Egypt imports 10 million tons of wheat per year, the most of any nation—or the diesel that fuels bread ovens and transports 99 percent of everything that moves in this country of more than 85 million. Egypt’s dilemma is this: it cannot politically afford to stop providing the costly subsidies to the poor that distort its economy. Poor Egyptians spend 70 percent of their income on food, versus 55 percent for Egyptians as a whole; Americans spend roughly 14 percent. But unless it reduces these subsidies and adopts a pro-growth budget, Egypt cannot secure the $4.8 billion International Monetary Fund loan it needs to unlock what Angus Blair, a Cairo-based former investment banker and founder of Signet Institute, an economic think tank, estimates could be $14 billion in aid and investment. Egypt spends about 20 percent of its budget on fuel subsidies alone. In other words, the government would be committing political suicide to do what economists say must be done to sustain the country’s economic viability. Only a government that enjoys public confidence can risk taking such steps. “Egypt’s economic crisis has political roots,” Beblawi says. “And a political solution is needed.” So far, he adds, none is in sight.

With their legendary “sabr,” or patience, nearly exhausted, Egyptians blame the lack of growth, jobs, fuel, services, security, and stability on what many call the “incompetence” of President Mohammed Morsi and his ruling Muslim Brotherhood. And they blame the United States, too, for supporting Morsi, who eked out an election victory last year and took power last July thanks only to low voter turnout and a fractious, divided secular opposition. “People no longer trust Morsi,” Beblawi said, speaking for many among Cairo’s professional elite and middle classes.

121 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 7:39:10pm

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Concentration camp survivor Jadwiga Dzido shows her scarred leg to the Nuremberg court, while an expert medical witness explains the nature of the procedures inflicted on her in the Ravensbrück concentration camp on November 22, 1942. The experiments, including injections of highly potent bacteria, were performed by defendants Herta Oberheuser and Fritz Ernst Fischer. December 20, 1946.

122 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 7:40:02pm

re: #115 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

{{{Walking Spanish Down the Hall}}}

123 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 7:45:23pm

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SS Lieutenant Colonel Arthur Roedl, commandant of the Gross-Rosen concentration camp. Gross-Rosen, Germany, between May 1, 1941, and September 15, 1942.

“He ended his service in Ukraine as part of the occupation police before committing suicide with a hand grenade when defeat for Nazi Germany looked inevitable.”

124 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 7:48:16pm

re: #122 William Barnett-Lewis

{{{Walking Spanish Down the Hall}}}

Thanks.

Hey, autistic kid, angry unfeeling father, misguided mother, bullies at school, parents divorced - shit happens.

I survived.

125 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 7:59:17pm

Today was Holocaust Remembrance Day.

126 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 8:02:57pm

Charles Johnson

Wow! James Delingpole’s really has gone over board. I hope this get people who might be susceptible to his pseudo scientific claims, won’t listen to him. The more people who listen climate change deniers and believe their baseless claims, the harder it will be to deal with the very real problem of climate change.

127 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 8:10:51pm

No Retweets on any of this. Telling.

128 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 8:17:56pm

re: #127 Gus

No Retweets on any of this. Telling.

Retweets on what, Delingpole or Holocaust Remembrance Day?

129 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 8:22:27pm

re: #128 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Retweets on what, Delingpole or Holocaust Remembrance Day?

The latter. Seems like only CBS News even has anything on their front page. Most of today was chained CPI derp and Lena Dunham that I got mixed up in. Some fake Tweet. Most of the morning I spent looking at what happened in Cairo which was also ignored by the lefties except for a few and mostly from Egyptians. The left is scared of criticizing the Muslim Brotherhood because of the name.

130 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 8:33:07pm

re: #128 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Retweets on what, Delingpole or Holocaust Remembrance Day?

Actually, not much about Delingpole either. Just the same old shit. I ended up spending most of the day searching for this guy.

131 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 8:37:55pm

Although TPM did make a great leap in reporting this: Gaza Police Dole Out Head-Shavings & Beatings for ‘Indecent’ Hair Was kind of surprised.

132 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 8:41:00pm

Wow. Only 401 comments today. Come on you guys. Stop being afraid of your own shadow.

133 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 8:48:16pm

re: #127 Gus

I’m planning on mentioning this story tomorrow on Twitter. I want people to know about what Delingpole wrote and more people will be likely to see it, if I mention it in the morning instead of now.

134 Gus  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 8:49:41pm

re: #133 CriticalDragon1177

I’m planning on mentioning this story tomorrow on Twitter. I want people to know about what Delingpole wrote and more people will be likely to see it, if I mention it in the morning instead of now.

You think they will? They’re all stuck on chained CPI and GMOs.

135 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 10:14:50pm

re: #134 Gus

I don’t know, but tomorrow more people will be up, instead of sleeping in their beds, at least in the United States.

136 kerFuFFler  Mon, Apr 8, 2013 6:58:26am

Some deniers harp on the idea that the science “isn’t 100% proven” so we should take no steps to address it. Seems to me even if there were only a 5% chance that global warming will be catastrophic we should be doing way more about it than we are doing now.

How many people would risk driving across a bridge with a 5% chance of collapse? How many of those people would make that same choice if their young kids were in the car?

Our kids are all “in the car” as far as the threat of global warming is concerned, and current research puts the risk of catastrophic climate change way higher than a mere 5%. Presumably it’s more like 95%.

Fox News was able to scare Americans out of their wits about the threats of “illegal aliens”, gun confiscation and the war on Christmas; surely some enterprising media outlet could grab some attention for itself and the true threat of the century. It should be a piece of cake since the threat is real.

137 Tigger2005  Mon, Apr 8, 2013 8:35:18am

And the Inquisition only sentenced Galileo to house arrest…


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