[Live event concluded.]
The acting commissioner of the IRS has resigned, and new safeguards will be put in place.
In other news, the White House has released 100 pages of emails and notes on the Benghazi attack.
BREAKING: White House releases 100 pages of emails and notes on Benghazi attacks.
— The Associated Press (@AP) May 15, 2013
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darthstar Wed, May 15, 2013 3:23:56pm |
@samsteinhp CNN IS FRIST! CNN IS FRIST! I MEAN FIRST! FIRST!— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) May 15, 2013
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bratwurst Wed, May 15, 2013 3:23:58pm |
BREAKING — [Whatever Obama Says or Does about IRS]: “Not good enough!!!” ~ Republicans, et al.— DittoWatch.com (@DittoWatch) May 15, 2013
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darthstar Wed, May 15, 2013 3:25:22pm |
That’s it? I joined a minute late and I only heard, “…and that’s what we’re going to do. Thank you.”
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Targetpractice Wed, May 15, 2013 3:25:31pm |
So the acting director, the guy who just got there and wasn’t in charge for the majority of this fiasco, is the one who must fall on his sword?
I’m not exactly sure that’s the best way to handle this.
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Charles Johnson Wed, May 15, 2013 3:28:52pm |
re: #5 Targetpractice
So the acting director, the guy who just got there and wasn’t in charge for the majority of this fiasco, is the one who must fall on his sword?
I’m not exactly sure that’s the best way to handle this.
Apparently he was told about this targeting last year and didn’t inform anyone about it, or do anything about it. That’s what CNN’s telling me, anyway.
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Charles Johnson Wed, May 15, 2013 3:30:01pm |
The reason why there’s an acting commissioner instead of a real commissioner? Republican obstructionism, as usual.
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Targetpractice Wed, May 15, 2013 3:30:07pm |
re: #7 Charles Johnson
Apparently he was told about this targeting last year and didn’t inform anyone about it, or do anything about it. That’s what CNN’s telling me, anyway.
Yeah, okay, now that I can see.
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blueraven Wed, May 15, 2013 3:30:28pm |
re: #7 Charles Johnson
Apparently he was told about this targeting last year and didn’t inform anyone about it, or do anything about it. That’s what CNN’s telling me, anyway.
I think he was even asked about the harassment charges by Congress and denied it.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 3:33:06pm |
re: #11 blueraven
I think he was even asked about the harassment charges by Congress and denied it.
Oooooooo. Not a good choice.
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 3:36:03pm |
What are people looking for? I really don’t understand. This is playing out entirely predictably and it’s naive to think that any application of reality to the situation - anything Obama could say or do - is going to change the narrative.
Look at Benghazi. It’s bullshit. We know it’s bullshit. We’ve known it’s bullshit for months. And yet it continues to be in the picture because the GOP wants it to be in the picture, thinks that this is a way to take Obama down. And eventually, they make enough noise about this bullshit that the media starts tacking on for ratings, eyeballs, whatever. It continues to be a problem because the GOP wants it to be. It will be a problem until the GOP feels like stopping.
The media is playing into the GOP desire for ‘scandals’. Are there things at the heart of each issue that should be looked at and changed? Yes, and I actually trust Obama to do so. But his response has been in line with what is appropriate for the actual, real issues. The media and GOP manufactured scandals are going to happen no matter what his response actually looks like.
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Targetpractice Wed, May 15, 2013 3:36:13pm |
Yeah, Miller looks like he put his own ass in a sling over this one:
Acting IRS commissioner repeatedly failed to tell Congress that tea party groups were targeted
Miller was first informed on May, 3, 2012, that applications for tax-exempt status by tea party groups were inappropriately singled out for extra scrutiny, the IRS said Monday.
At least twice after the briefing, Miller wrote letters to members of Congress to explain the process of reviewing applications for tax-exempt status without disclosing that tea party groups had been targeted. On July 25, 2012, Miller testified before the House Ways and Means oversight subcommittee, but again did not mention the additional scrutiny — despite being asked about it.
At the hearing, Rep. Kenny Marchant, R-Texas, told Miller that some politically active tax-exempt groups in his district had complained about being harassed. Marchant did not explicitly ask if tea party groups were being targeted. But he did ask how applications were handled.
Miller responded, “We did group those organizations together to ensure consistency, to ensure quality. We continue to work those cases,” according to a transcript on the committee’s website.
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blueraven Wed, May 15, 2013 3:39:17pm |
One thing the President said…that he wants to work with congress to fix the ambiguity of the regulations for tax exempt status. The republicans aren’t going to like that part. Probably some democrats as well.
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 3:44:54pm |
re: #15 blueraven
One thing the President said…that he wants to work with congress to fix the ambiguity of the regulations for tax exempt status. The republicans aren’t going to like that part. Probably some democrats as well.
Well, since a) the President has said he would like it and b) Congress is involved, they have nothing to worry about.
Since the odds of this Congress passing anything that Obama proposes is nil.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, May 15, 2013 3:45:23pm |
re: #15 blueraven
One thing the President said…that he wants to work with congress to fix the ambiguity of the regulations for tax exempt status. The republicans aren’t going to like that part. Probably some democrats as well.
He knows as well as the GOP does that this means nothing will be done. GOP Congressional policy on working with the POTUS is very clear in that regard.
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 3:46:49pm |
I’m gonna guess, without looking at Twitter, that people are whining that more heads should have rolled, Obama should have done this on Friday, that this was clearly just the IRS overreaching and why do we need to look at the regulations for tax exempt status because it’s just him trying to raise taxes via the backdoor, and why hasn’t he been impeached yet.
How’d I do?
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Targetpractice Wed, May 15, 2013 3:50:39pm |
re: #18 klys
I’m gonna guess, without looking at Twitter, that people are whining that more heads should have rolled, Obama should have done this on Friday, that this was clearly just the IRS overreaching and why do we need to look at the regulations for tax exempt status because it’s just him trying to raise taxes via the backdoor, and why hasn’t he been impeached yet.
How’d I do?
You forgot “Why hasn’t he fired Holder yet?!,” but they’ve been playing that tune since F&F.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 3:51:47pm |
re: #19 Targetpractice
You forgot “Why hasn’t he fired Holder yet?!,” but they’ve been playing that tune since
F&F.Holder was nominated
FTFY
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 3:54:54pm |
re: #19 Targetpractice
You forgot “Why hasn’t he fired Holder yet?!,” but they’ve been playing that tune since F&F.
Wait, are they playing that one on the IRS side? How are they justifying it there?
I was trying to conserve and only predicting responses based on the IRS story. Too much predicting derp and things start to shut down.
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Targetpractice Wed, May 15, 2013 3:55:18pm |
re: #20 GeneJockey
FTFY
Ah, true, they’ve had a grudge against him ever since he didn’t give that NBP fellow the death penalty for making white folks feel uneasy.
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Eclectic Cyborg Wed, May 15, 2013 3:55:51pm |
The unfortunate thing is this whole mess will be used by the RWNJs as proof of their crazy conspiracy theories about the government being “after them”.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 3:57:26pm |
re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg
It’s been almost an hour. Has the Right claimed that Miller ‘fell on his sword’ to protect Obama yet?
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ProTARDISLiberal Wed, May 15, 2013 3:58:11pm |
Seeing as I have a job where I have to deal with crap like this on a daily basis, the people not understanding the concept of inflation, and dealing with hissy fits over $4.
Took all of my less than bottomless restraint to not start shit with the baby boomer asshats who were dicks to the stewardess. I mean damn.— Lindsay Ellis (@thelindsayellis) May 15, 2013
Granted, the job is soul killing, and I do want to go into my field, but these sorts of customers occur several times a day.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 3:58:55pm |
re: #21 klys
Wait, are they playing that one on the IRS side? How are they justifying it there?
“Justifying?” You intrigue me, stranger. What is this “Justifying” you speak of?
//
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 3:59:53pm |
re: #26 GeneJockey
“Justifying?” You intrigue me, stranger. What is this “Justifying” you speak of?
//
Your point, it is well taken. I keep forgetting their reality is entirely separate from mine.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, May 15, 2013 4:00:12pm |
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 4:02:37pm |
re: #25 ProTARDISLiberal
“American Airlines would like you to have this drink on us, and THIS drink on YOU.” *SPLOOSH*
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 4:04:35pm |
There’s a point where I think the RWNJs are granting an almost super-human power to the Presidency. Like, really.
As far as I can tell, Obama gets to wear lots of hats and does his best to keep up to date on things but he has to consider the big picture. The nitty-gritty is probably rarely where he’s making individual decisions, unless it’s a decision like (for example) the raid that killed bin Ladin - something with extreme political impact both domestically and abroad. Most of the time, though, he’s getting an overview and what he needs to know and keep things in balance. He’s not Superman and there are only so many hours in a day. That’s why there’s a whole government underneath him that he’s trusting to do their jobs and bring things to his attention as needed. (Of course, this provides other failure points, but that’s reality.)
I think the RWNJs think that a president is supposed to be super-human, though. At least, if the president in question is a Democrat and especially if he is a black man. And when he’s not, well, IMPEACH.
That’s what I get from the current political dialog, anyway.
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efuseakay Wed, May 15, 2013 4:07:05pm |
Adios to him. Now how about we get an actual Director for a change.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 4:07:28pm |
re: #30 klys
T
here’s a point where I think the RWNJs are granting an almost super-human power to the Presidency. Like, really.
As far as I can tell, Obama gets to wear lots of hats and does his best to keep up to date on things but he has to consider the big picture. The nitty-gritty is probably rarely where he’s making individual decisions, unless it’s a decision like (for example) the raid that killed bin Ladin - something with extreme political impact both domestically and abroad. Most of the time, though, he’s getting an overview and what he needs to know and keep things in balance. He’s not Superman and there are only so many hours in a day. That’s why there’s a whole government underneath him that he’s trusting to do their jobs and bring things to his attention as needed. (Of course, this provides other failure points, but that’s reality.)I
think the RWNJs think that a president is supposed to be super-human, though. At least, if the president in question is a Democrat and especially if he is a black man. And when he’s not, well, IMPEACH.That’s what I get from the current political dialog, anyway.
FTFY. (Loving the strikethrough!)
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EPR-radar Wed, May 15, 2013 4:08:58pm |
re: #30 klys
I think this could be a case of over-analysis. The GOP stimulus-response pattern is much simpler these days:
1) Is today a day ending in ‘y’?
2) Is there a democrat in the White House today?
3) If the answers to questions 1 and 2 are yes, then:
A) everything bad happening today is the fault of the Democrat in the White House, and
B) everything good happening today happened because the Democrat in the White House personally failed in his evil mission to prevent all good things from happening.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 4:11:10pm |
Allow me to expand - there were calls to impeach almost before Obama finished taking his oath of office. Everything that has followed is simply looking for an excuse. If you think there is ANYTHING that even a SuperObama could do to appease them, I believe you’re giving far too much credit.
For some on the Right, it’s completely cynical - they realize all they’re doing is trying to come up with the magical formula to get rid of him. Sadly, for many - possibly MOST - on the Right, it’s simply a combination of visceral hatred and confirmation bias.
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ProTARDISLiberal Wed, May 15, 2013 4:11:23pm |
I should note that my stress and anger have finally come to a head.
There are now significant physical effects, and me and mom are now searching for a heavy-duty Psychologist, and have replaced on med I am on with another one. Prozac.
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 4:11:54pm |
re: #32 GeneJockey
FTFY. (Loving the strikethrough!)
Well, yeah.
I’m young enough that I don’t have the background, so I ask the older Lizards: was it like this when it was Democrat presidents before Clinton, that the Republicans wanted to impeach them and were pretty much looking for excuses? (Because Clinton’s impeachment …yeah. I sort of thought that was there for serious crimes, not for political gain.)
I heard some agitation for it during Bush’s presidency but mostly from the moonbat-types. My impression is that it was less common on the Democrat side of the aisle - some distaste over the mess with Clinton and wanting to reserve it as the tool it was likely meant as instead of a political weapon, perhaps - but that’s just an impression so I can’t say for sure.
Also I liked to ignore politics then because I despised Bush.
So thoughts on the climate from older Lizards?
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 4:13:38pm |
re: #35 ProTARDISLiberal
I am glad to hear that you are working on getting help, and I hope that side effects are not a big deal/diminish quickly. Sometimes it takes time, but it can make a huge difference in the long run.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, May 15, 2013 4:14:41pm |
re: #36 klys
I could be wrong, but no, in my lifetime I only remember Nixon being impeached.
ETA: I just googled it. Andrew Johnson was impeached.
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 4:17:45pm |
re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth
I could be wrong, but no, in my lifetime I only remember Nixon being impeached.
I know the actual act of impeachment is relatively rare, I’m just wondering how common the calls for impeachment were in the past. I mean, these days you turn around and it’s
RT TO IMPEACH OBAMA!!!
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ProTARDISLiberal Wed, May 15, 2013 4:18:07pm |
re: #37 klys
Essentially, my headaches occur much more frequently. And when the headaches occur, I lose track of things I am doing (at work too) mid-task, stutter, and occasionally have issues with pronunciation of things.
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EPR-radar Wed, May 15, 2013 4:18:46pm |
re: #36 klys
My two cents is that the climate has gotten much worse in the time span I’ve been paying attention to politics (starting with the tail end of Watergate).
The impeachment of Clinton was a partisan hack job, and the only reason we haven’t seen the same circus for Obama since the House came down with its current infestation of Republicans is that an unsuccessful impeachment would be politically damaging. That is when ‘impeachment for the high crime of being a (D) president’ got into the GOP worldview.
The GOP and right wing in general really have gone collectively insane and shockingly malevolent in the past 20 or so years.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 4:18:49pm |
re: #35 ProTARDISLiberal
Glad you’re getting help. I married into a family with what we refer to as ‘serotonin issues’, so I’m aware that in the right person, the right drug can be almost miraculous. Good luck.
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Interesting Times Wed, May 15, 2013 4:19:00pm |
re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth
I could be wrong, but no, in my lifetime I only remember Nixon being impeached.
And today’s GOPers act as if that’s defacto “insurance” for every bad thing they do, like Calvinist-style predestination - Nixon paid for all the sins they want to commit from here on out, and they can never be held account. When was the last time a GOPer faced *any* kind of significant consequence for any act of malfeasance? I certainly can’t think of one. “SC taxpayers foot the bill for my Appalachian trail hikes” Sanford is back in Congress. Vitter the diaper shitter was re-elected as well. GOPers can do whatever they want, with impunity. The only unforgivable sin as far as their mouth-breathing base and corporate donors are concerned is behaving in a sane and sensible manner.
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ProTARDISLiberal Wed, May 15, 2013 4:20:09pm |
re: #44 Interesting Times
Or Iran-Contra for that matter.
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EPR-radar Wed, May 15, 2013 4:20:13pm |
re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth
I could be wrong, but no, in my lifetime I only remember Nixon being impeached.
ETA: I just googled it. Andrew Johnson was impeached.
Yes, Nixon resigned before the bipartisan impeachment process against him got underway.
Amusingly enough, the impeachment of Andrew Johnson back in the day was a partisan hack job as well.
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 4:21:06pm |
re: #41 ProTARDISLiberal
Well, I hope those go away soon, and you don’t see too many side effects from the meds. The best thing you can do for yourself though is to work with the doctor to try and reduce those issues from building up in the first place, and that takes time and a lot of work. Wishing you the best on that though.
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ProTARDISLiberal Wed, May 15, 2013 4:21:12pm |
re: #46 EPR-radar
To be fair, Johnson wasn’t being pro-Union enough though.
I freely admit that I would have been a Radical Republican back then.
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 4:23:22pm |
re: #46 EPR-radar
Yes, Nixon resigned before the bipartisan impeachment process against him got underway.
Amusingly enough, the impeachment of Andrew Johnson back in the day was a partisan hack job as well.
Nixon would have been impeached and quite probably convicted in the Senate as well. That’s the type of reason that the impeachment process was put into the Constitution for - there really are times where it is necessary to remove the President from power. I like to believe that in those times, it would be a bipartisan act regardless of the party of the President.
I also like a little thing called ‘reality’ though, so I am clearly not a Republican.
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EPR-radar Wed, May 15, 2013 4:24:00pm |
re: #48 ProTARDISLiberal
To be fair, Johnson wasn’t being pro-Union enough though.
I freely admit that I would have been a Radical Republican back then.
What part of being insufficiently punitive with respect to the defeated Confederacy is a ‘high crime or misdemeanor’? Of course, Congress does get to define this how it pleases, but it remains fair to criticize its actions.
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EPR-radar Wed, May 15, 2013 4:28:18pm |
re: #49 klys
Nixon would have been impeached and quite probably convicted in the Senate as well. That’s the type of reason that the impeachment process was put into the Constitution for - there really are times where it is necessary to remove the President from power. I like to believe that in those times, it would be a bipartisan act regardless of the party of the President.
I also like a little thing called ‘reality’ though, so I am clearly not a Republican.
It should be noted that if a GOP president today were to duplicate the crime and cover-up of Watergate, and the scandal came to light, there would be no GOP votes in Congress for either impeachment or conviction.
The GOP of today is simply incapable of any form of good governance, including taking out the trash.
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ProTARDISLiberal Wed, May 15, 2013 4:33:40pm |
I also realize how cruelty to friends who are conservative have left me isolated, and that damage is likely irreparable.
I have already apologized to the one who got the brunt of it, but the damage is done. And, with what I am seeing of how social groups around me operate, I am screwed in trying to regenerate an sort of close social group.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 4:35:32pm |
re: #51 EPR-radar
It should be noted, not one Senate dem voted for the impeachment of President Clinton
SS/ DP
(same shit,,, different party)
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 4:35:50pm |
re: #36 klys
The climate was bad, but not THIS bad.
Clinton pissed the Right off, but didn’t drive them to this extreme. Prior to the Paula Jones/Monica Lewinsky thing, the only one in Congress floating Impeachment was Bob Barr.
To me it seems that the anti-Clinton stuff was led by cynics - the likes of Gingrich, Coulter, Limbaugh. They would say anything to get rid of him, but you sensed that it was all means toward a goal, rather than something they really believed.
Now? The cynics have been upstaged by the genuinely crazy: Coulter by the likes of Malkin and Geller; Gingrich by Bachmann, Broun, Gohmert, etc; Limbaugh by the sheer volume of crazy pumping out of Right Wing Hate Radio.
As I’ve said before, I used to hang out on an archery and bowhunting forum, and we used to be able to discuss politics without real rancor. That changed a bit after the Iraq war started going sour, but when Obama was elected, they went completely around the bend. They lost any connection with reality.
Clinton was impeached because Nixon was (almost) impeached, because they hated him, and because he gave them an excuse. Still, it wasn’t until the Lewinsky thing that anybody in Congress but Bob Barr was talking impeachment.
The crazy wing existed then, but the establishment encouraged it, controlled it, and used it. Now that wing has taken over to such an extent that in the past 2 election cycles, the GOP failed to win control of the Senate because the crazy wing primaried Senators who were shoe-ins, but not ideologically pure, and nominated unelectable knuckle-draggers.
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EPR-radar Wed, May 15, 2013 4:38:26pm |
re: #53 sattv4u2
It should be noted, not one Senate dem voted for the impeachment of President Clinton
SS/ DP
(same shit,,, different party)
The judges give this MBF attempt 0.01 on a 10 point scale.
What in the Clinton impeachment is there that corresponds with the crime and cover-up of Watergate?
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BishopX Wed, May 15, 2013 4:38:27pm |
re: #52 ProTARDISLiberal
Words of wisdom for one slightly older than you, shift yourself. It’s amazing how small social groups can be in the larger context of your surroundings. There are at least thousands of people around you who you’ve never met, and some of them are pretty cool. Find a different place or a different context and see what happens.
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wrenchwench Wed, May 15, 2013 4:38:55pm |
re: #52 ProTARDISLiberal
I also realize how cruelty to friends who are conservative have left me isolated, and that damage is likely irreparable.
I have already apologized to the one who got the brunt of it, but the damage is done. And, with what I am seeing of how social groups around me operate, I am screwed in trying to regenerate an sort of close social group.
That’s short-term.
I know a guy who says he didn’t ‘come out of his shell’ until he was 50 years old. He’s pushing 60 now, and is happily married with several good friends. And sort of out-going.
There are several billion people in the world. You have only pissed off a tiny tiny fraction of them.
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 4:39:13pm |
re: #53 sattv4u2
It should be noted, not one Senate dem voted for the impeachment of President Clinton
SS/ DP
(same shit,,, different party)
To be pedantic, the Senate doesn’t vote on the impeachment. They vote on the conviction, which is the second step required for the removal from office.
I’m trying to parse the rest of it - do you think Clinton should have been removed from office? That’s the implication I get from what you said. Also, this whole discussion has been trying to establish if it is, in fact, the same shit from different parties or if the political climate is different. I don’t recall hearing about impeaching Bush from multiple Democrat legislators but I admit I wasn’t paying the most attention, so…
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 4:39:18pm |
re: #53 sattv4u2
I don’t think your point is supported by the data. A partisan hack job is not the same as a bipartisan impeachment when the President is caught on tape in a criminal conspiracy.
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A Mom Anon Wed, May 15, 2013 4:40:48pm |
re: #35 ProTARDISLiberal
I hope you find what you need, I really do. You don’t have to carry all this yourself. Maybe look into Cognitive Behavioral Therapy,it helped my son (who has Aspergers) when he was dealing with depression and anger. Good Luck and best wishes to you.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 4:40:56pm |
re: #55 EPR-radar
The judges give this MBF attempt 0.01 on a 10 point scale.
What in the Clinton impeachment is there that corresponds with the crime and cover-up of Watergate?
Nothing at all (umm,, except the impeachment part ,,, as well as the “there would be no GOP votes in Congress for either impeachment or conviction.” part, which is what the comment was aimed at. But you already knew that!!)
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 4:41:55pm |
re: #59 klys
do you think Clinton should have been removed from office?
Nope
That’s the implication I get from what you said
Again, nope ,, as stated in 62
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 4:43:33pm |
re: #59 klys
I don’t recall hearing about impeaching Bush from multiple Democrat legislators
en.wikipedia.org
several American politicians sought to either investigate Bush for allegedly impeachable offenses, or to bring actual impeachment charges on the floor of the United States House of Representatives Judiciary Committee. The most significant of these efforts occurred on June 10, 2008, when Congressman Dennis Kucinich, along with co-sponsor Robert Wexler, introduced 35 articles of impeachment [
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 4:43:40pm |
re: #62 sattv4u2
Nothing at all (umm,, except the impeachment part ,,, as well as the “there would be no GOP votes in Congress for either impeachment or conviction.” part, which is what the comment was aimed at. But you already knew that!!)
Do you think Republicans are currently capable of voting to impeach a Republican president who has committed and covered up crimes for political advantage?
I don’t know if I agree with EPR’s assessment or not, but to pretend that no Democrats voting for the removal of Clinton from office after the farce that was the impeachment is remotely similar to the point he was making is …kind of playing MBF.
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Joanne Wed, May 15, 2013 4:43:42pm |
re: #53 sattv4u2
It should be noted, not one Senate dem voted for the impeachment of President Clinton
SS/ DP
(same shit,,, different party)
For what, lying about his sex life which isn’t the public’s business anyway? Even if he was a raging hypocrite, the act itself is nobody’s business but he and Hilary.
That was pure politics (Whitewater, Vince Foster). Yes, SSDD same party.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 4:44:01pm |
re: #62 sattv4u2
Nothing at all (umm,, except the impeachment part ,,, as well as the “there would be no GOP votes in Congress for either impeachment or conviction.” part, which is what the comment was aimed at. But you already knew that!!)
So, if you believe that Clinton should not have been removed from office, then you think the Senate Dems voted correctly not to convict, which makes it really hard to understand what your point is.
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EPR-radar Wed, May 15, 2013 4:44:17pm |
re: #62 sattv4u2
Nothing at all (umm,, except the impeachment part ,,, as well as the “there would be no GOP votes in Congress for either impeachment or conviction.” part, which is what the comment was aimed at. But you already knew that!!)
But that is my point —- there were going to be GOP votes in Congress for impeaching and convicting Nixon (which is why he resigned). If the votes would have been strictly party line, he could have stayed in office.
Today’s GOP, if faced with the same fact pattern as Watergate, would have no GOP votes in congress for impeachment or conviction.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 4:44:28pm |
re: #65 klys
Do you think Republicans are currently capable of voting to impeach a Republican president who has committed and covered up crimes for political advantage
Nope. But same goes for the other shoe too!!
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 4:46:16pm |
re: #69 sattv4u2
Nope. But same goes for the other shoe too!!
So, you think that if a Democratic President committed the crimes Nixon did, and the Dems in the Senate were presented with the same evidence, none of them would vote to convict?
Nonsense.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 4:46:43pm |
re: #68 EPR-radar
Today’s GOP, if faced with the same fact pattern as Watergate, would have no GOP votes in congress for impeachment or conviction.
I agree, and all I stated is that TODAYS Dems wouldn’t for a dem President
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 4:48:09pm |
re: #70 GeneJockey
So, you think that if a Democratic President committed the crimes Nixon did, and the Dems in the Senate were presented with the same evidence, none of them would vote to convict?
Nonsense.
Sadly, we are so divided today it’s PROTECT MY OWN AT ALL COSTS. That goes for both sides.
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EPR-radar Wed, May 15, 2013 4:49:09pm |
re: #71 sattv4u2
Today’s GOP, if faced with the same fact pattern as Watergate, would have no GOP votes in congress for impeachment or conviction.
I agree, and all I stated is that TODAYS Dems wouldn’t for a dem President
If that is what you meant, then why on earth bring up the Clinton impeachment?
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 4:49:35pm |
re: #67 GeneJockey
So, if you believe that Clinton should not have been removed from office, then you think the Senate Dems voted correctly not to convict, which makes it really hard to understand what your point is.
No
I think that his crime didn’t warrant removal from office,,, BUT ,,, it should have warranted at least a few votes FOR conviction from dems as well as a few for acquittal from repubs
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 4:50:21pm |
re: #72 sattv4u2
Sadly, we are so divided today it’s PROTECT MY OWN AT ALL COSTS. That goes for both sides.
I strongly disagree. This is, in fact, one of the biggest problems the Dems have - we’re NOT crazy. We’d get a lot more accomplished if we were.
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 4:50:55pm |
re: #64 sattv4u2
I appreciate the reference. I wish I had the same faith that, if Republicans introduced articles of impeachment, it would be voted into committee and languish there until it died, which was the proper thing to do.
Unlike you, I don’t think that both parties are fundamentally the same. So we can disagree on that.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 4:51:41pm |
re: #74 sattv4u2
No
I think that his crime didn’t warrant removal from office,,, BUT ,,, it should have warranted at least a few votes FOR conviction from dems as well as a few for acquittal from repubs
So, they should have voted to convict, knowing that conviction would MOST PROBABLY lead to removal from office, even if the proper course was not to remove him from office?
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 4:51:58pm |
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 4:52:34pm |
re: #74 sattv4u2
No
I think that his crime didn’t warrant removal from office,,, BUT ,,, it should have warranted at least a few votes FOR conviction from dems as well as a few for acquittal from repubs
Why? If all the Democrats assessed the evidence and found it wanting, why should one of them have to vote against their beliefs just to satisfy your need to have a Democrat vote for conviction?
I am not saying that that is what happened, but I am saying that you are rejecting the possibility out of hand.
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LadyBehir Wed, May 15, 2013 4:53:05pm |
Y’know, decades after the fact, I am not sure if Clinton should have been impeached. I was rabidly for it at the time. Not because of the sex. No matter what the left wing radio shows keep saying, it was not about sex. It was about felony purjery. For all that he’s so intelligent, you’d think he’d know not to lie under oath.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, May 15, 2013 4:53:09pm |
re: #74 sattv4u2
No
I think that his crime didn’t warrant removal from office,,, BUT ,,, it should have warranted at least a few votes FOR conviction from dems as well as a few for acquittal from repubs
Somehow it’s fundamentally unfair that no Senate Democrats came to the wrong conclusion.
What is this I don’t even.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 4:54:29pm |
re: #77 GeneJockey
So, they should have voted to convict, knowing that conviction would MOST PROBABLY lead to removal from office, even if the proper course was not to remove him from office?
Nope
They (both sides) should have voted their conscience, NOT their party affiliate
He did, after all, perjur himslef and obstructed justice.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 4:55:07pm |
re: #78 sattv4u2
The thing is, your own data don’t support your conclusion.
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EPR-radar Wed, May 15, 2013 4:55:12pm |
re: #80 LadyBehir
Y’know, decades after the fact, I am not sure if Clinton should have been impeached. I was rabidly for it at the time. Not because of the sex. No matter what the left wing radio shows keep saying, it was not about sex. It was about felony purjery. For all that he’s so intelligent, you’d think he’d know not to lie under oath.
My (truculent and illegal) point of view on this issue is that if Congress insists on asking questions it has no business asking of people under oath, then lies should be an appropriate response.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 4:55:31pm |
re: #81 goddamnedfrank
Somehow it’s fundamentally unfair that no Senate Democrats came to the wrong conclusion.
What is this I don’t even.
So every senate dem , every last one of them thinks it’s okay to perjur yourself and obstrcut justice
Good to know!!
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 4:55:46pm |
re: #83 GeneJockey
The thing is, your own data don’t support your conclusion.
As long as you say so!
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Joanne Wed, May 15, 2013 4:56:33pm |
re: #80 LadyBehir
Purgery about the sex. Sex which was nobody’s business.
If any Dem committed a crime worthy of impeachment, I’d be screaming for it happen as would almost everyone I know.
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 4:56:51pm |
re: #85 sattv4u2
So every senate dem , every last one of them thinks it’s okay to perjur yourself and obstrcut justice
Good to know!!
I …can’t even follow what you’re arguing for anymore.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 4:56:53pm |
re: #84 EPR-radar
My (truculent and illegal) point of view on this issue is that if Congress insists on asking questions it has no business asking of people under oath, then lies should be an appropriate response.
You do knoiw his lies prevented someone else from having their day in court for justice, right?
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goddamnedfrank Wed, May 15, 2013 4:57:30pm |
re: #82 sattv4u2
Nope
They (both sides) should have voted their conscience, NOT their party affiliate
He did, after all, perjur himslef and obstructed justice.
Well no. Going by the actual legal definitions and legal precedent he actually did neither of those things. He did lie under oath, but not about a material matter to the trial, which is the operating test for a perjury conviction.
He did lie to the country, which was fucked up, and had the House impeached him on that ground should have been convicted. He definitely failed a test of leadership.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 4:58:05pm |
re: #90 goddamnedfrank
but not about a material matter to the trial,
ummm,,, Paula Jones
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 4:58:47pm |
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darthstar Wed, May 15, 2013 4:59:34pm |
Got home in time to clean the house before interviewing a possible housekeeper.
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blueraven Wed, May 15, 2013 4:59:51pm |
re: #90 goddamnedfrank
Well no. Going by the actual legal definitions and legal precedent he actually did neither of those things. He did lie under oath, but not about a material matter to the trial, which is the operating test for a perjury conviction.
He did lie to the country, which was fucked up, and had the House impeached him on that ground should have been convicted. He definitely failed a test of leadership.
If lying to the country is reason to impeach…Reagan would have been out of there. Bush too.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 4:59:56pm |
Ah well
As exhilarting as this has been, NBA conference call beckons
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darthstar Wed, May 15, 2013 5:00:49pm |
re: #95 sattv4u2
Ah well
As exhilarting as this has been, NBA conference call beckons
Try not to double-dribble on the remote.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 5:00:58pm |
re: #93 darthstar
Got home in time to clean the house before interviewing a possible housekeeper.
heh,, wifey cleans hotel rooms before we check out!!!
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blueraven Wed, May 15, 2013 5:01:09pm |
re: #95 sattv4u2
Ah well
As exhilarting as this has been, NBA conference call beckons
Saved by the bell!
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 5:01:20pm |
re: #96 darthstar
Try not to double-dribble on the remote.
At my age, I’d be happy for one good shot!!
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 15, 2013 5:01:36pm |
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 5:01:37pm |
I’m really choking on the MBF dust in here. We go from:
re: #63 sattv4u2
do you think Clinton should have been removed from office?Nope
That’s the implication I get from what you saidAgain, nope ,, as stated in 62
to:
re: #74 sattv4u2
No
I think that his crime didn’t warrant removal from office,,, BUT ,,, it should have warranted at least a few votes FOR conviction from dems as well as a few for acquittal from repubs
to:
re: #85 sattv4u2
So every senate dem , every last one of them thinks it’s okay to perjur yourself and obstrcut justice
Good to know!!
The logic pretzels! It bends! It moves!
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goddamnedfrank Wed, May 15, 2013 5:01:59pm |
re: #85 sattv4u2
So every senate dem , every last one of them thinks it’s okay to perjur yourself and obstrcut justice
Good to know!!
LOL. Again, he did neither of those things, so the Senate Dems were correct in not convicting him of those charges. Your grasp of the facts of the case are wanting and you’re clearly operating under a massive amount of cognitive dissonance. If you don’t think he should have been convicted yourself, as you’ve stated here, then why believe that fairness demands some Senate Democrats should have voted to convict? You want it both ways, which is ridiculous. Either he committed the offense he was charged with and should have been convicted, or he didn’t and the result was just, reflecting reality.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, May 15, 2013 5:02:38pm |
re: #94 blueraven
If lying to the country is reason to impeach…Reagan would have been out of there. Bush too.
Clearly my standards aren’t conducive to long term stability.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 5:03:38pm |
re: #86 sattv4u2
You equate two very different situations - one a criminal conspiracy where multiple participants were convicted of multiple felonies, the other, misleading answers in a deposition on a topic irrelevant to the facts of a frivolous lawsuit, and you presume because no Dems voted to convict in the latter, that no Dems would vote to convict a Democratic President in the former?
Your analogy is severely flawed, which is why it doesn’t support the conclusion.
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Bulworth Wed, May 15, 2013 5:03:49pm |
Well I can’t say I’ve ever been to London, and I never been to France.
And I never seen any queen and her damn undies as the fella says.
But after seeing the Republicans, and thisahere Benghazi story I’m about to unfold…
Well, I reckon I’ve seen something every bit as stupifying as anything you could find in any of those other places….and in English, too.
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blueraven Wed, May 15, 2013 5:04:46pm |
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darthstar Wed, May 15, 2013 5:08:00pm |
Half the current value of the US stock market was created between 1817 and 2009; the other half under Obama. WORST. SOCIALIST. EVER.— franklin veaux (@franklinveaux) May 16, 2013
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BigPapa Wed, May 15, 2013 5:08:28pm |
re: #104 GeneJockey
Your analogy is severely flawed, which is why it doesn’t support the conclusion.
Hey man, both sides suck. That in and of itself shows objectivity and rationality, if only a fake plastic objectivity and rationality.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 5:08:35pm |
re: #92 sattv4u2
his lie (perjury) affected Paula Jones’s harrasmnet lawsuit
Nothing he was asked in his deposition regarding Monica Lewinsky was in any way related to Paula Jones’ case, which you may recall was dismissed in summary judgement because her allegations of his behavior, EVEN IF TRUE, did not constitute harassment, and Jones was unable to prove any damage to her work situation afterwards. Indeed, the judge noted that Jones had advances rather more quickly than many of her coworkers.
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wrenchwench Wed, May 15, 2013 5:09:47pm |
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darthstar Wed, May 15, 2013 5:09:48pm |
@chucktodd HAHAHAHA…Media-manufactured “curses” don’t count. Just like your “enthusiasm-gap” meme of 2012, folks aren’t buying, OKAY?— aspirational12 (@aspirational12) May 15, 2013
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 5:11:09pm |
re: #111 wrenchwench
That’s the sattrap.
At least I can lay it out all nicely for everyone to follow, in case they missed it. It’s like a Mobius strip, turning in on itself.
My mother also invokes the MBF between parties, I think as a way to excuse herself for sometimes voting Republican. This is why I don’t talk politics with my mother.
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freetoken Wed, May 15, 2013 5:12:44pm |
Listening to a podcast that was on a totally different topic than the usual political wrangling… and the topic of the Benghazi hearings came up. The hosts rightfully called the GOP House frenzy for more hearings as bullshit, simply based on the reality that very many US embassies and consulates have gotten attacked over the years and that the House has investigated very few of these.
The BENGHAZI!! nuts are still trampling the corpses of 4 Americans under their feet in an attempt to lynch President Obama.
Yes, lynch.
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blueraven Wed, May 15, 2013 5:13:11pm |
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Interesting Times Wed, May 15, 2013 5:13:41pm |
Oh hai lying about oral sex is like, so totally equivalent to Watergate, Iran-Contra, creationism in schools, denying marriage equality, saying Hispanics have a low IQ, destroying reproductive rights, bigotry against Muslims, bigotry against non-believers, and climate change denial! Both sides same! No difference whatsoever! Herpity derpity derp.
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thedopefishlives Wed, May 15, 2013 5:13:45pm |
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darthstar Wed, May 15, 2013 5:15:20pm |
Yes! RT “@ericdkoch: I now demand to see Sen. Graham’s tps/fact sheets before he went out and eviscerated Susan Rice @tvietor08”— Tommy Vietor (@TVietor08) May 15, 2013
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 5:15:38pm |
Well, it was a really nice conversation about the change in political climate and the differences between the parties before the MBF derailed it.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 5:16:05pm |
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darthstar Wed, May 15, 2013 5:16:14pm |
re: #118 thedopefishlives
I assume it gives him satt-isfaction.
Great, now we’re sattled with another pun thread.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 5:17:17pm |
re: #121 klys
Well, it was a really nice conversation about the change in political climate and the differences between the parties before the MBF derailed it.
And I wrote that essay all for naught.
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Single-handed sailor Wed, May 15, 2013 5:18:33pm |
LOL.
“The attorney general will not cast aspersions on my asparagus,” said Gohmert
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ProTARDISLiberal Wed, May 15, 2013 5:18:47pm |
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AlexRogan Wed, May 15, 2013 5:18:49pm |
re: #124 GeneJockey
And I wrote that essay all for naught.
Did you capture their stunt doubles?
/Spaceballs
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darthstar Wed, May 15, 2013 5:18:50pm |
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 5:18:53pm |
re: #124 GeneJockey
And I wrote that essay all for naught.
Well, I appreciated it.
My political memory goes back about as far as the impeachment - that was about when I started noticing world events on a sequential level, as opposed to just big things intruding in when they happened. So I appreciate the perspective.
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EPR-radar Wed, May 15, 2013 5:18:58pm |
re: #121 klys
Well, it was a really nice conversation about the change in political climate and the differences between the parties before the MBF derailed it.
Not surprising, really. If I still voted Republican, I think the MBF would be the only argument I’d have to support denial of the insanity and malice of today’s GOP.
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thedopefishlives Wed, May 15, 2013 5:19:08pm |
re: #123 darthstar
Great, now we’re sattled with another pun thread.
I guess that means I’m about to be satt in a corner.
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Kragar Wed, May 15, 2013 5:19:40pm |
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AlexRogan Wed, May 15, 2013 5:19:55pm |
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darthstar Wed, May 15, 2013 5:20:04pm |
re: #132 BigPapa
When will the Magical Pun Fairy be sattiated?
Not until Satturday, at the earliest.
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Mattand Wed, May 15, 2013 5:20:05pm |
re: #54 GeneJockey
Clinton was impeached because Nixon was (almost) impeached, because they hated him, and because he gave them an excuse. Still, it wasn’t until the Lewinsky thing that anybody in Congress but Bob Barr was talking impeachment.
Thank you. I’ve saying this for years.
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 5:20:43pm |
re: #130 EPR-radar
Not surprising, really. If I still voted Republican, I think the MBF would be the only argument I’d have to support denial of the insanity and malice of today’s GOP.
I sort of figure that’s why my mother pulls it out. It’s much easier to convince yourself that both parties do it and therefore it’s not so bad to vote for the one that routinely behaves badly in public than to confront the fact that we have one relatively sane party and one party in service to the crazies, and it is very difficult to have effective governing when the crazies get involved.
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darthstar Wed, May 15, 2013 5:20:47pm |
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darthstar Wed, May 15, 2013 5:21:56pm |
re: #136 Mattand
Thank you. I’ve saying this for years.
You know who would kill for a blue dress about now? Darrell Issa.
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Mattand Wed, May 15, 2013 5:21:57pm |
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Mattand Wed, May 15, 2013 5:22:14pm |
re: #142 darthstar
You know who would kill for a blue dress about now? Darrell Issa.
What’s his size?
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Mattand Wed, May 15, 2013 5:23:46pm |
re: #140 GeneJockey
I thought everyone knew that.
Not in my circle, unfortunately. I know two people who still think what Clinton did was as bad as Watergate.
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AlexRogan Wed, May 15, 2013 5:23:54pm |
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thedopefishlives Wed, May 15, 2013 5:24:50pm |
re: #146 Mattand
Not in my circle, unfortunately. I know two people who still think what Clinton did was as bad as Watergate.
My folks think Clinton is only slightly less of a spawn of evil than Obama. They swallowed everything Limbaugh said about him, hook, line, and sinker.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 5:25:19pm |
re: #146 Mattand
Not in my circle, unfortunately. I know two people who still think what Clinton did was as bad as Watergate.
How do you stop your eyes rolling when you talk to them?
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 5:25:36pm |
re: #146 Mattand
Not in my circle, unfortunately. I know two people who still think what Clinton did was as bad as Watergate.
Well, apparently you can think he shouldn’t have been removed from office but still think that Senators who voted to acquit him support perjury and obstruction of justice. If they were Democrat.
So why not think it was as bad as Watergate?
//
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 5:25:59pm |
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erik_t Wed, May 15, 2013 5:26:00pm |
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EPR-radar Wed, May 15, 2013 5:26:01pm |
re: #138 klys
I sort of figure that’s why my mother pulls it out. It’s much easier to convince yourself that both parties do it and therefore it’s not so bad to vote for the one that routinely behaves badly in public than to confront the fact that we have one relatively sane party and one party in service to the crazies, and it is very difficult to have effective governing when the crazies get involved.
I’m reminded of the old joke that runs something like this: “There are two parties in DC, the stupid party and the evil party. I’m a proud member of the stupid party. Every so often, something gets through DC on a bi-partisan basis, and we get something both stupid and evil”.
A clever thing about this joke is that it works whether the narrator is assumed to be an (R) or a (D).
What is less funny these days is that identification of the GOP as the evil party is getting very hard to avoid.
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ProTARDISLiberal Wed, May 15, 2013 5:26:43pm |
In more serious Doctor news, we have these stills:
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EPR-radar Wed, May 15, 2013 5:27:54pm |
re: #150 klys
Well, apparently you can think he shouldn’t have been removed from office but still think that Senators who voted to acquit him support perjury and obstruction of justice. If they were Democrat.
So why not think it was as bad as Watergate?
//
I have to say, that may be the most advanced and far out application of MBF principles I have seen to date.
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Joanne Wed, May 15, 2013 5:28:51pm |
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Mattand Wed, May 15, 2013 5:31:02pm |
re: #149 GeneJockey
How do you stop your eyes rolling when you talk to them?
It ain’t easy. It’s a husband-and-wife combo who are good friends. The “problem”, if you can call it that, is the male component.
I’ve mentioned him before. He’s literally been listening to right-wing radio since we were in our mid-20’s. Now, he’s an “independent” who thinks Obama is an incompetent clown and cries like a 3 year old when you make fun of the GOP.
Same line of shit that Bill O’Reilly claims.
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Iwouldprefernotto Wed, May 15, 2013 5:31:27pm |
re: #156 Joanne
I think Republicans are both stupid and evil.
Citation: Debt Ceiling Downgrade
Hating abortion, but also being against birth control.
This game is fun.
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 5:32:03pm |
Just remember, folks, there’s no fundamental difference between the parties!
//
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EPR-radar Wed, May 15, 2013 5:33:00pm |
re: #158 Iwouldprefernotto
Hating abortion, but also being against birth control.
This game is fun.
Indeed. However, your example would seem to score as evil and more evil.
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Mattand Wed, May 15, 2013 5:33:02pm |
re: #156 Joanne
I think Republicans are both stupid and evil.
Citation: Debt Ceiling Downgrade
Seriously.
“Since we can’t get our way, we’ll destroy the country’s economy.”
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AlexRogan Wed, May 15, 2013 5:34:17pm |
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blueraven Wed, May 15, 2013 5:34:33pm |
re: #158 Iwouldprefernotto
Hating abortion, but also being against birth control.
This game is fun.
Balance the budget and cut taxes!
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 5:34:48pm |
re: #159 klys
Just remember, folks, there’s no fundamental difference between the parties!
//
One of my brothers claims that, but from the Far Left. And I mean the ACTUAL Far Left, not what the Right means when THEY say ‘Far Left’.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 5:36:21pm |
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EPR-radar Wed, May 15, 2013 5:36:29pm |
re: #161 Mattand
Seriously.
“Since we can’t get our way, we’ll destroy the country’s economy.”
We may have gotten to the point with the GOP these days that the old rule of “never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity” can be reversed to give:
“never attribute to stupidity what can adequately be explained by malice”.
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Political Atheist Wed, May 15, 2013 5:36:32pm |
re: #35 ProTARDISLiberal
I should note that my stress and anger have finally come to a head.
There are now significant physical effects, and me and mom are now searching for a heavy-duty Psychologist, and have replaced on med I am on with another one. Prozac.
Best wishes for you dude, glad to see you are taking action.
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klys Wed, May 15, 2013 5:36:54pm |
re: #164 GeneJockey
One of my brothers claims that, but from the Far Left. And I mean the ACTUAL Far Left, not what the Right means when THEY say ‘Far Left’.
I would grant that from that end of the spectrum, the Republican and Democratic parties are much closer than they would like to pretend. But I think that’s a slightly different thing, although this is making assumptions and being pedantic.
Of course, I probably lean a little farther to the left than most Americans.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 5:37:31pm |
Supporting warrantless wiretapping. Complaining about loss of freedom.
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freetoken Wed, May 15, 2013 5:38:28pm |
Repeating myself: Our society has a non-trivial sized segment whose worldview is collapsing. They have been taught ideas since childhood that trace back to when King James was still on the throne. The 21st century is not to their liking, and they are increasingly angry at having their old worldview being discredited, because when that happens they themselves have to deal with the dis-reality of their own beliefs.
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EPR-radar Wed, May 15, 2013 5:45:36pm |
re: #169 klys
I would grant that from that end of the spectrum, the Republican and Democratic parties are much closer than they would like to pretend. But I think that’s a slightly different thing, although this is making assumptions and being pedantic.
Of course, I probably lean a little farther to the left than most Americans.
I like Gore Vidal’s summary of this point of view (given back in the 70s):
There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently … and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties.
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Romantic Heretic Wed, May 15, 2013 5:47:16pm |
re: #33 EPR-radar
I think this could be a case of over-analysis. The GOP stimulus-response pattern is much simpler these days:
1) Is today a day ending in ‘y’?
2) Is there a democrat in the White House today?
3) If the answers to questions 1 and 2 are yes, then:
A) everything bad happening today is the fault of the Democrat in the White House, and
B) everything good happening today happened because the Democrat in the White House personally failed in his evil mission to prevent all good things from happening.
This fits with their worldview that government is weak, evil, omnipotent and incompetent all at the same time.
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sauceruney Wed, May 15, 2013 5:47:21pm |
Please move along. This is not the stained, blue dress you were looking for.
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Romantic Heretic Wed, May 15, 2013 5:48:21pm |
re: #35 ProTARDISLiberal
I should note that my stress and anger have finally come to a head.
There are now significant physical effects, and me and mom are now searching for a heavy-duty Psychologist, and have replaced on med I am on with another one. Prozac.
Sending strength and positive vibes your way.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 5:53:05pm |
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GeneJockey Wed, May 15, 2013 5:56:20pm |
re: #171 freetoken
Repeating myself: Our society has a non-trivial sized segment whose worldview is collapsing. They have been taught ideas since childhood that trace back to when King James was still on the throne. The 21st century is not to their liking, and they are increasingly angry at having their old worldview being discredited, because when that happens they themselves have to deal with the dis-reality of their own beliefs.
The other thing they have to deal with is the loss of privilege. Not that they accept that they’re privileged - that would mean their presence at the top of the socioeconomic food chain was not the result of their hard work and intelligence. That is, not earned.
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prairiefire Wed, May 15, 2013 5:57:16pm |
I am so glad the President made this move.
Trump Allies Test a New Strategy for Blocking Election Results They Don’t Like When a member of Georgia’s Fulton County Board of Registration and Elections refused to join her colleagues as they certified two primaries this year, she claimed she had been denied her right to examine a long list of election ...
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US Military M17 & M18 Pistols Causing Unintentional Discharges Documents detail U.S. soldiers shot by their own Sig Sauer guns; military says no reason for concern Around lunchtime on Feb. 8, 2023, inside an administrative office at Fort Eustis in Virginia, a sergeant with the Army’s 221st Military ...
William Lewis
The Cause of the Rain Here? dryad, in Greek mythology, a nymph or nature spirit who lives in trees and takes the form of a beautiful young woman. Dryads were originally the spirits of oak trees (drys: “oak”), but the name was later applied to ... William Lewis
Uncommon US Flags #3: Storm Warning Flags Indianola, Texas after the Civil War became the principal port for the state, due to its location on Matagorda Bay. The town steadily grew as commerce, tourism, and agriculture expanded. In 1875, a powerful Category 3 hurricane struck Indianola, ...
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A Friday at the Tail End of SpringJust out and about for a bit. First a walk downtown where the two rivers meet, then a short drive just outside of town. William Lewis
This Civil War Submarine Vanished for 136 Years [VIDEO] A Civil War submarine powered by hand cranks and lit by candlelight. What could possibly go wrong? Meet the HL Hunley. Support the production of these videos through our Patreon: patreon.com Thank you to Nick DeLong from Clemson University ...
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Billions in US Taxpayer Dollars Now Go to Religious Schools via Vouchers Billions in taxpayer dollars are being used to pay tuition at religious schools throughout the country, as state voucher programs expand dramatically and the line separating public education and religion fades. School vouchers can be used at almost any ... Cheechako
Adobe Caught Selling AI Generated Images Imitating Ansel Adams’ Work Adobe scolded for selling ‘Ansel Adams-style’ images generated by AI Adobe found itself in hot water this weekend after the Ansel Adams estate publicly scolded the company for selling generative AI imitations of the late photographer’s work. On Friday, ... William Lewis
The Good Liars at Miami Trump Rally [VIDEO] Jason and Davram talk with Trump supporters about art, Mike Lindell, who is really president and more! SUPPORT US: herohero.co SEE THE GOOD LIARS LIVE!LOS ANGELES, CA squadup.com SUBSCRIBE TO OUR AUDIO PODCAST:Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.comSpotify: open.spotify.comJoin this channel to ... teleskiguy
