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1 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 12:56:11pm

I heard a black guy talking angrily into his phone while I was out. It was something about a margin call being fucked and how they were going to have to pull from the other account. I don’t really understand ‘urban’ language so I figured he was helping to organize a riot and reported him to the DHS.

2 Ming  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 12:59:48pm

Here is a comment I think is worth passing along, from one of Andrew Sullivan’s readers:

In 2005 Zimmerman is arrested for “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer.” But he wrote in his application to the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office Citizens Law Enforcement Academy that “the officer assaulted me first”.

Later that year, his fiance accuses him of domestic violence and takes out a restraining order on him. But he responded by taking out his own restraining order to protect himself against her. Finally we have this case, where Zimmerman claims that a kid who is running away suddenly, for no apparent reason, changes his mind and attacks Zimmerman.

The poor guy can’t catch a break! People keep attacking him, and then they (or the liberal media) claim that he attacked them!

In all seriousness, I think it would have been useful for the prosecution to present witnesses (the cop, the fiance) who could testify that Zimmerman was in the habit of assaulting people and then claiming that they assaulted him.

3 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 12:59:56pm

Black people angry and they’re rioters. White people get angry and they’re concerned patriots. That’s pretty much that narrative that Fox tries to sell and it succeeds.

4 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:05:22pm

We expect a black person to riot because all black people riot, so if one black person riots, all black people have rioted.

5 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:06:26pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Black people angry and they’re rioters. White people get angry and they’re concerned patriots. That’s pretty much that narrative that Fox tries to sell and it succeeds.

You can’t spell “Patriot” without “Riot”!

6 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:07:59pm

re: #4 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

We expect a black person to riot because all black people riot, so if one black person riots, all black people have rioted.

If some black people celebrate OJ being found innocent, that means the whole black community did.

7 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:10:15pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

If some black people celebrate OJ being found innocent, that means the whole black community did.

Of course. Like how the 10 second film of some Palestinians celebrating on 9/11 means that all Muslims everywhere celebrated.

8 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:10:34pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

What some people might not understand, and this takes a wee bit of nuance, is that the same person might have thought that OJ was guilty, but that Martin didn’t deserve to die and that Zimmerman killed him in cold blood.

Completely different situations.

9 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:10:38pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

If some black people celebrate OJ being found innocent, that means the whole black community did.

I was in my undergrad student union and to my surprise [and disappointment] witnessed some black students cheering OJs acquittal.

10 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:13:12pm

re: #9 Dr. Matt

I was in my undergrad student union and to my surprise [and disappointment] witnessed some black students cheering OJs acquittal.

I can imagine but you didn’t and don’t use that to broad-brush all black people. I’ve seen what happened with the O.J trial used as an excuse to generalize black America.

11 Lidane  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:16:27pm

re: #8 lawhawk

What some people might not understand, and this takes a wee bit of nuance, is that the same person might have thought that OJ was guilty, but that Martin didn’t deserve to die and that Zimmerman killed him in cold blood.

Completely different situations.

See, but nuance is evil for some folks. They simply cannot accept shades of gray. That’s the devil’s path, don’tcha know.

12 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:16:56pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

I can imagine but you didn’t and don’t use that to broad-brush all black people. I’ve seen what happened with the O.J trial used as an excuse to generalize black America.

Remember the dancing Palestinian woman after 9/11 who was seen as symbolizing the response of the entire Muslim world…

13 efuseakay  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:18:12pm

re: #9 Dr. Matt

I was in my undergrad student union and to my surprise [and disappointment] witnessed some black students cheering OJs acquittal.

Some friend of a friend on FB had this to say about Zimmerman’s acquittal: “Payback for OJ”.

Sigh.

14 Lidane  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:18:54pm

AMERICA IZ DOOMED, Gay Drills edition:

15 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:19:59pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

I can imagine but you didn’t and don’t use that to broad-brush all black people. I’ve seen what happened with the O.J trial used as an excuse to generalize black America.

In the mouth of a RWNJ, all stories taste bitter.

16 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:21:49pm

re: #14 Lidane

According to Lutzer, same-sex marriage cannot “coexist” with opposite-sex marriage because “same-sex marriage legalized breaks down the family in some very, very important ways.”

Yes, some very important ways. Let us count the very important ways. I’m done counting. You?

17 erik_t  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:22:06pm

re: #14 Lidane

AMERICA IZ DOOMED, Gay Drills edition:

drilling a hole in a boat

Well, there’s a euphemism I hadn’t yet heard.

Giggity.

18 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:22:42pm

re: #1 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Getting a margin call wrong is ouch.

19 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:23:55pm

re: #17 erik_t

Well, there’s a euphemism I hadn’t yet heard.

Giggity.

Do you think that comes naturally to them or do they intentionally do that?
It’s creepy.

20 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:24:07pm

re: #16 Bulworth

Yes, some very important ways. Let us count the very important ways. I’m done counting. You?

Its too technical.
/

21 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:24:52pm

re: #19 Varek Raith

Do you think that comes naturally to them or do they intentionally do that?
It’s creepy.

They’re just going to keep pounding away till you understand.

22 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:25:11pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Saw a tweet today to the effect of:

When white men demand that government get out of their lives we call them Libertarians; when women demand that government get out of their lives we call them Radical Feminists.

But yeah, it’s like some groups can’t march or protest at a state capitol.

23 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:26:50pm

re: #16 Bulworth

Yes, some very important ways. Let us count the very important ways. I’m done counting. You?

Shortly after the SCOTUS ruling, my wife’s wedding ring was destroyed.

To be fair, she’d broken her left wrist, and they always take them off as a precaution, and after 25 years, her fingers are no longer quite as slim as they were, so they had to cut it to remove it.

But still, I blame gay marriage.
//

24 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:27:08pm

How’s this for death panels?

My mother-in-law has a potentially fatal condition but there are effective meds for it. Insurance company is playing stupid about covering those meds and we have no idea when this will all get straightened out.

Meanwhile MIL needs her medicines (yes, she’ll go to the ER if she has to but she can’t very well spend the rest of her life there).

25 Lidane  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:27:11pm

The Honest Version of Rolling Stone’s Boston Bomber Cover

Sounds about right.

26 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:27:42pm

re: #21 Kragar

They’re just going to keep pounding away till you understand.

It’s like they’re all Tobias Funke.

27 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:28:31pm

re: #21 Kragar

They’re just going to keep pounding away till you understand.

The message just has to penetrate at some point.

28 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:29:12pm

re: #22 Bulworth

Saw a tweet today to the effect of:

When white men demand that government get out of their lives we call them Libertarians; when women demand that government get out of their lives we call them Radical Feminists.

But yeah, it’s like some groups can’t march or protest at a state capitol.

It’s like when Beck likened his protesters to the Founding Fathers but when immigrant kids mostly Hispanic were protesting the DREAM Act not being passed, they became a mob.

29 Dave In Austin  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:30:00pm

Best comment section of the day……

The ol Cuch rises to the occasion

30 ericblair  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:30:13pm

re: #2 Ming

The poor guy can’t catch a break! People keep attacking him, and then they (or the liberal media) claim that he attacked them!

Typical paranoid nut with an aggro radius of approximately 500 miles. That’s one reason a lot of conservatives can’t take urban environments: having anybody, worst of all Those People, anywhere near their august personages gives them the Heebie Jeebies, which is a fatal condition in Florida now.

I give Zimmerman two years tops before he kills or tries to kill somebody else. We don’t lock up people in detention just as punishment (well, not whitish people), and this is one guy who is a real walking timebomb not safe to be walking around.

31 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:31:22pm

Can I live here please?

32 erik_t  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:31:39pm

re: #27 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

The message just has to penetrate at some point.

Yeah, with enough angry bible quotes, the opposition will swell up as the population hardens in their popular opposition to gay marriage.

33 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:32:11pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

sure, until global warming floods you out anyway.

34 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:32:17pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

“And the it’s off to Haiti!”

“Not HAITI! TAHITI!”

35 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:32:33pm

re: #20 Kragar

Its too technical.
/

it’s that “new math” everyone whinged about back in the day…
//

36 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:32:40pm

re: #34 GeneJockey

updinged for Ruthless People reference.

37 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:33:21pm

re: #26 GeneJockey

It’s like they’re all Tobias Funke.

Tobias, you blow hard!

38 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:34:04pm

re: #29 Dave In Austin

Meanwhile, today in Less Government….

39 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:34:04pm

re: #36 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

updinged for Ruthless People reference.

One of my favorite movies. My sons have never seen it and they can quote it, just from their mother and me constantly referring to it.

40 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:34:22pm

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

How’s this for death panels?

My mother-in-law has a potentially fatal condition but there are effective meds for it. Insurance company is playing stupid about covering those meds and we have no idea when this will all get straightened out.

Meanwhile MIL needs her medicines (yes, she’ll go to the ER if she has to but she can’t very well spend the rest of her life there).

I’m imaging your MIL spending the rest of her life trapped in the ER.
I’m sure Snowden empathizes…
//

41 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:34:26pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Can I live here please?

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What gorgeous looking water.

42 Dave In Austin  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:34:34pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Can I live here please?

Would you settle for a floating cabin in Corpus Christi????

43 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:34:42pm

re: #25 Lidane

The Honest Version of Rolling Stone’s Boston Bomber Cover

Sounds about right.

LOL at the popup on funnyordie.com:

No Thanks. I Can’t Read.

44 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:35:24pm

re: #42 Dave In Austin

Would you settle for a floating cabin in Corpus Christi????

Hurricanes man. Bad idea.

45 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:36:39pm

re: #34 GeneJockey

“And the it’s off to Haiti!”

“Not HAITI! TAHITI!”

“This could very well be the stupidest person on the face of the earth. Perhaps we should shoot him. “

46 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:36:46pm

re: #30 ericblair

Typical paranoid nut with an aggro radius of approximately 500 miles. That’s one reason a lot of conservatives can’t take urban environments: having anybody, worst of all Those People, anywhere near their august personages gives them the Heebie Jeebies, which is a fatal condition in Florida now.

I give Zimmerman two years tops before he kills or tries to kill somebody else. We don’t lock up people in detention just as punishment (well, not whitish people), and this is one guy who is a real walking timebomb not safe to be walking around.

I’m thinking it’s more likely that Zimmerman will try this with someone who is better at SYG than he is…

47 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:37:17pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

What gorgeous looking water.

Until somebody pees in it.

48 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:37:45pm

re: #36 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

updinged for Ruthless People reference.

“I love wrong numbers.”

49 kirkspencer  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:38:04pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

What gorgeous looking water.

I dunno. think of all the chemicals they used to get that blue color.

///

50 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:38:13pm

re: #47 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Until somebody pees in it.

There’s always that ONE…this is why we can’t have nice things…

51 palomino  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:39:09pm

If TM and GZ looked like this, would the outcome have been different? Pure speculation, but I gotta think maybe. TM and GZ reversed

52 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:39:50pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

There’s always that ONE…this is why we can’t have nice things…

And that one will always be b_sharp.

53 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:40:39pm

re: #52 Varek Raith

And that one will always be b_sharp.

Damn him. Damn him to hell!

54 Dave In Austin  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:42:25pm

Miss Lindsey speaks:

Cordray was being filibustered because we don’t like the law” that created the consumer agency, said Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina. “That’s not a reason to deny someone their appointment. We were wrong.”

He’s a douche but at least , sometimes, he’s and honest douche…..

55 palomino  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:42:56pm

re: #4 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

We expect a black person to riot because all black people riot, so if one black person riots, all black people have rioted.

A black kid punched me in the 7th grade. I decided not to hold the entire race responsible for his action.

But I guess that’s because I’m a guilty white liberal who’s been duped by other guilty white liberals. Or maybe it’s because I can apply logic to events on planet earth.

56 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:43:04pm

Anyone here ever watched The Truman Show? I watched in on Netflix after not having seen it for years. I’d forgotten what a good movie it was. Jim Carrey really turns in a good performance in what was one of his first non-comedy roles.

57 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:44:02pm

glaring omission in Jury Instructions

58 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:45:53pm

re: #49 kirkspencer

I dunno. think of all the chemicals they used to get that blue color.

///

I think I see the Tidy-Bowl man….

59 palomino  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:46:39pm

re: #54 Dave In Austin

Miss Lindsey speaks:

He’s a douche but at least , sometimes, he’s and honest douche…..

I actually have more respect for him and McCain than virtually any other GOP senators. Even more than I do for quite a few Dem senators. They wanna keep their jobs in red states, so they throw out raw meat that’s often absurd. But they also believe in a basic principle that democracy can’t be functional without: compromise, a word now anathema to the tea party and much of the new crop of gop senators (Cruz, Paul, even Rubio except for immigration reform).

60 Political Atheist  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:46:59pm

re: #57 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Maybe the legal meaning of aggressor does not include stalking or following? Aggressor would mean the same as attacker more or less.

61 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:47:56pm

I guess I understand why people are upset at the Rolling Stone cover, but I’m kind of meh about the issue myself. The caption sure isn’t glamorizing him - calls him a “monster.” I can see why people think the photo does, though.

I guess I don’t automatically connect being on the cover of a magazine with being glamorized; I don’t think there’s anything necessarily wrong with putting pictures of people like this on covers. And the article it’s leading into is apparently a really good piece of in-depth journalism. (Haven’t read it yet, just by word of mouth.)

62 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:51:51pm

Powerful Letter to Zimmerman: “You are now going to feel what it’s like to be black in America.”

Dear George Zimmerman,
For the rest of your life you are now going to feel what its like to be a black man in America.

You will feel people stare at you. Judging you for what you think are unfair reasons. You will lose out on getting jobs for something you feel is outside of your control. You will believe yourself to be an upstanding citizen and wonder why people choose to not see that.

63 AlexRogan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:52:10pm

re: #14 Lidane

AMERICA IZ DOOMED, Gay Drills edition:

Hey, “pastor”, here’s my answer to your lame-ass DERP:
Youtube Video

64 Lidane  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:53:16pm

Marco Rubio haz a sad:

65 Stoatly  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:54:03pm

Greetings from Gaye Olde England - It’s all hurricanes and locusts as far as the eye can see due to all the Gays marriaging, but we’ll keep a stiff upper lip.

Frankly it’s too damn hot at the moment to join in all the Gay, though now it’s compulsory I’m technically breaking the law, maybe I’ll feel more Fabulous after a cold beer

66 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:54:16pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

I guess I understand why people are upset at the Rolling Stone cover, but I’m kind of meh about the issue myself. The caption sure isn’t glamorizing him - calls him a “monster.” I can see why people think the photo does, though.

I guess I don’t automatically connect being on the cover of a magazine with being glamorized; I don’t think there’s anything necessarily wrong with putting pictures of people like this on covers. And the article it’s leading into is apparently a really good piece of in-depth journalism. (Haven’t read it yet, just by word of mouth.)

Just finished reading it and I was fairly vocal about the cover downstairs. Brilliant article and it really explains a lot of things for me. I can see how the cover photo and the article are intrinsically linked, I just wish it didn’t have to be that way.

67 GunstarGreen  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:54:50pm

re: #25 Lidane

The Honest Version of Rolling Stone’s Boston Bomber Cover

Sounds about right.

Sounds about stupid.

It’s a photo of a dude looking straight-on at the camera with a blank expression. There is nothing sexual about that. People are seeing what they want to see to justify the outrage they want to have.

68 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:55:02pm

re: #65 Stoatly

Greetings from Gaye Olde England - It’s all hurricanes and locusts as far as the eye can see due to all the Gays marriaging, but we’ll keep a stiff upper lip.

Frankly it’s too damn hot at the moment to join in all the Gay, though now it’s compulsory I’m technically breaking the law, maybe I’ll feel more Fabulous after a cold beer

Cold beer? England? I call ‘false flag’.

69 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:55:07pm

re: #64 Lidane

I thought we were beyond this 60-vote business for cabinet and other executive department nominations?

But, yeah, I guess Rubio is trying to get some of his teabag groove back.

70 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:55:39pm

re: #68 Decatur Deb

Cold beer? England? I call ‘false flag’.

Like us Americans know anything about beer…
;)

71 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:56:52pm

re: #67 GunstarGreen

Sounds about stupid.

It’s a photo of a dude looking straight-on at the camera with a blank expression. There is nothing sexual about that. People are seeing what they want to see to justify the outrage they want to have.

Not much of an outrage. Hardly rises to ‘snit’. Still no need to feed the embyronic cult.

72 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:57:00pm

Oh look, the Taliban realizes they screwed themselves.

However, he refuses to condemn the attack, saying the judgement on whether it was correct or not should be left to God.

Rasheed says he first heard of Malala’s work when he was in prison, when the BBC Urdu service broadcast a diary that she wrote.

He says he wished he had been able to “advise” her before the attack, which he describes as an “accident”.

The Taliban leader also says that his group is not “against education of any men or women or girls”. Instead he claims Malala was targeted because she campaigned to “malign [the Taliban’s] efforts to establish the Islamic system”.

“You have said in your speech that the pen is mightier than the sword, so they attacked you for your sword, not for your books or school,” he writes.

Rasheed finishes by telling Malala to “come back home, adopt the Islamic and Pashtun culture and join any female Islamic madrassa [school], use your pen… and reveal the conspiracy of the tiny elite who want to enslave the whole of humanity”.

This fucker can go to hell. The Taliban is why I support Drones. Drone them into hell.

73 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:59:21pm

re: #64 Lidane

Marco Rubio haz a sad:

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OMG, The Senate accomplished something, WE’RE DOOMED!

74 Lidane  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:00:12pm
75 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:02:00pm

I hereby propose a moratorium on white TV anchors using the following terms in reference to black people:

- Hustlers
- Gangsters
- Thugs
- Homies
- Brotha

76 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:03:06pm

re: #58 GeneJockey

I think I see the Tidy-Bowl man….

i.chzbgr.com

77 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:04:18pm

re: #74 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Can always count on Fox for good old fashioned race baiting.

78 palomino  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:05:54pm

re: #64 Lidane

Marco Rubio haz a sad:

[Embedded content]

He’s put himself in a position, with his strong support of comprehensive immigration reform, where he clearly thinks it’s necessary for his political career to be as far right as possible on everything else. He’s being condemned by the TP and other anti-immigrant gop factions for his sellout RINO actions on immigration reform. Which is probably one reason why last week he supported federal legislation that mirrors the extreme anti-abortion laws in Texas and other red states.

79 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:06:41pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

Can always count on Fox for good old fashioned race baiting.

They’re going to be even more obnoxious with gender-chumming as Hillary’s campaign gets in gear.

80 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:07:02pm

re: #79 Decatur Deb

They’re going to be even more obnoxious with gender-chumming as Hillary’s campaign gets in gear.

I’m sure.

81 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:07:55pm

re: #78 palomino

He’s put himself in a position, with his strong support of comprehensive immigration reform, where he clearly thinks it’s necessary for his political career to be as far right as possible on everything else. He’s being condemned by the TP and other anti-immigrant gop factions for his sellout RINO actions on immigration reform. Which is probably one reason why last week he supported federal legislation that mirrors the extreme anti-abortion laws in Texas and other red states.

Rubio’s done as a contender, at least for ‘16. Wouldn’t be surprised if he faces a primary challenger next reelection run.

82 Lidane  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:08:31pm
83 Lidane  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:09:28pm

re: #79 Decatur Deb

They’re going to be even more obnoxious with gender-chumming as Hillary’s campaign gets in gear.

BENGHAZI! WHITEWATER! VINCE FOSTER! ELEVENTY!

84 garzooma  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:10:00pm

re: #2 Ming

Here is a comment I think is worth passing along, from one of Andrew Sullivan’s readers:

Very insightful, that reader. Ok, it was me :-).

I’ve since found out that Z’s counter-suit was even more preposterous than I had thought. Apparently, he claims she assaulted him after he declined her request for him to spend the night with her. Yeah, that actually happened.

I also pointed out elsewhere that while Z’s run-ins with the law were inadmissible, it’s not obvious that his own claims — his application to the law enforcement academy, his petition for a restraining order — would also be inadmissible.

85 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:10:05pm

Never saw this. NY Times ran same photo on it’s front page.

86 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:11:39pm

re: #83 Lidane

BENGHAZI! WHITEWATER! VINCE FOSTER! ELEVENTY!

Yeah, that should be funny, watching the far-right nutbars try to argue convincingly that, despite years of running against everything from abortion to birth control to gender equality, argue that female voters should abandon Hillary and support the GOP candidate.

87 palomino  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:11:44pm

re: #81 Targetpractice

Rubio’s done as a contender, at least for ‘16. Wouldn’t be surprised if he faces a primary challenger next reelection run.

Yeah, I don’t see how he gets the albatross off his neck, regardless of what happens in the House (probably nothing). And he didn’t just support it, he created it along with the Gang of 8. The Republican base isn’t likely to forgive that, given how racial and xenophobic animus play such a part in their self-identity.

88 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:14:03pm

re: #87 palomino

Yeah, I don’t see how he gets the albatross off his neck, regardless of what happens in the House (probably nothing). And he didn’t just support it, he created it along with the Gang of 8. The Republican base isn’t likely to forgive that, given how racial and xenophobic animus play such a part in their self-identity.

Perry would beat Rubio in the GOP primary.

89 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:15:20pm

re: #73 Kragar

OMG, The Senate accomplished something, WE’RE DOOMED!

Temporary setforward.

90 erik_t  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:16:38pm

re: #88 Kragar

Perry would beat Rubio in the GOP primary.

Only three things would be funnier than the following general. Bryan Fischer and Rush Limbaugh getting caught in an airport with a mutual wide stance, Wyoming getting a blue Senator due to primary hilarity, and, um…

91 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:17:03pm

re: #87 palomino

Yeah, I don’t see how he gets the albatross off his neck, regardless of what happens in the House (probably nothing). And he didn’t just support it, he created it along with the Gang of 8. The Republican base isn’t likely to forgive that, given how racial and xenophobic animus play such a part in their self-identity.

Exactly. And efforts to run away from that by taking refuge in the far-right just makes him even less desirable to moderate voters. Yet you can be sure that he’ll at least flirt with a run at the brass ring by selling his heritage…or at least the version of his heritage that sounds better than “My parents left Cuba because they wanted to make more money in America.”

92 palomino  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:18:58pm

re: #88 Kragar

Perry would beat Rubio in the GOP primary.

Which would be great news for whatever Dem gets the nod. Perry is in Palin territory as far as the gravitas needed to be elected. You don’t get a second chance to make a first impression. Both Sarah and Rick blew their first chance, so the climb uphill is insurmountable.

93 AlexRogan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:20:33pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

I guess I understand why people are upset at the Rolling Stone cover, but I’m kind of meh about the issue myself. The caption sure isn’t glamorizing him - calls him a “monster.” I can see why people think the photo does, though.

I guess I don’t automatically connect being on the cover of a magazine with being glamorized; I don’t think there’s anything necessarily wrong with putting pictures of people like this on covers. And the article it’s leading into is apparently a really good piece of in-depth journalism. (Haven’t read it yet, just by word of mouth.)

Same, same.

I think the major issue some people must have with that pic of Dzhokhar is that it humanizes him somewhat; people want their bad guys to look the part, to look evil, not to look like a normal human being.

This RS cover makes it that much harder for some people to slap that “monster” label on Dzhokhar (even though RS uses it themselves to describe him), so that we can neatly file him away as a bad guy, out of sight and out of mind as much as possible.

Face it, folks…like it or not, that’s the face of a mad bomber, a killer. They can’t all look like Charlie Manson.

94 piratedan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:21:40pm

OT: Olbermann signs back with ESPN to do a 1 hour sports show on ESPN2… wasn’t expecting that.

95 darthstar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:22:16pm

re: #94 piratedan

OT: Olbermann signs back with ESPN to do a 1 hour sports show on ESPN2… wasn’t expecting that.

Cool. Finally, someone on that channel who understands baseball.

96 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:22:28pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

if they had a pic of him in a hoodie it never would have been a problem…

//

97 Lidane  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:22:35pm
98 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:23:14pm
99 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:23:28pm

re: #85 geoffm33

Never saw this. NY Times ran same photo on it’s front page.

Frighteningly sane comments on that blog.

100 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:24:01pm

re: #93 AlexRogan

Face it, folks…like it or not, that’s the face of a mad bomber, a killer. They can’t all look like Charlie Manson.

Like this guy:
Ted Bundy

101 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:24:51pm

re: #93 AlexRogan

Same, same.

I think the major issue some people must have with that pic of Dzhokhar is that it humanizes him somewhat; people want their bad guys to look the part, to look evil, not to like a normal human being.

This RS cover makes it that much harder for some people to slap that “monster” label on Dzhokhar (even though they use it themselves to describe him), so that we can neatly file him away as a bad guy, out of sight and out of mind as much as possible.

Face it, folks…like it or not, that’s the face of a mad bomber, a killer. They can’t all look like Charlie Manson.

Sure it’s not just a misunderstood yoot? Failed by his family?

102 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:25:22pm

re: #94 piratedan

OT: Olbermann signs back with ESPN to do a 1 hour sports show on ESPN2… wasn’t expecting that.

You are freaking kidding me! After he burned that bridge years ago..
Well..ESPN will be getting emails from the Hoopster..Those dumbasses..

103 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:25:43pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

Like this guy:
Ted Bundy

Or this guy

Edit: Fixed link….

104 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:26:41pm

re: #103 geoffm33

No link.

105 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:27:21pm

re: #103 geoffm33

Or this guy

access denied but it has something to do with Dexter?

106 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:27:51pm

re: #98 geoffm33

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Rolling Stone needs to sell more mags lest they go the way of the Dodo bird.
Like when they had a picture of Timothy McViegh on the cover..
Wait..What?

107 piratedan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:27:57pm

re: #102 HoosierHoops

tbh, the network has lost a LOT of the cache that once made it trendy and popular, now the talking heads are just talking heads with plug and play personalities.

108 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:28:59pm

re: #107 piratedan

tbh, the network has lost a LOT of the cache that once made it trendy and popular, now the talking heads are just talking heads with plug and play personalities.

You can still see some good stuff on The Ocho.

109 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:29:20pm

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

access denied but it has something to do with Dexter?

Yes. And thus, I ruined the joke :(

Image: dexter-e1358909962396.jpg

110 palomino  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:30:43pm

re: #91 Targetpractice

Exactly. And efforts to run away from that by taking refuge in the far-right just makes him even less desirable to moderate voters. Yet you can be sure that he’ll at least flirt with a run at the brass ring by selling his heritage…or at least the version of his heritage that sounds better than “My parents left Cuba because they wanted to make more money in America.”

He’s young. So at this point, he may be thinking more about shoring up his conservative bona fides in FL to prevent a TP primary challenge over his immigration heresy. Which would put him in a better position to run years from now, when immigration will hopefully have blown over as a toxic issue.

Same thing might be true for Christie…he’s still relatively young and his more moderate positions may be more saleable down the line…and the images of his “treasonous” embrace of Obama may fade a bit from GOP memories. If the GOP fever ever breaks, he’d be in much better shape to get the nod without being battered during the primaries. Problem for a guy like Christie is that if he runs now, he either has to pull a Romney and insincerely pivot far right to get the nod, OR try to convince the GOP faithful to be excited about someone who’s not a doctrinaire far right religious conservative. He’s skilled, but I’m not sure he can pull off that near magic act.

111 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:31:14pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

Like this guy:
Ted Bundy

That Mr. Gein down the road seems like a nice fellow.

112 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:32:09pm

re: #111 Kragar

That Mr. Gein down the road seems like a nice fellow.

Seriously creepy, that one was…

113 erik_t  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:33:00pm

re: #110 palomino

Any young Republican who would go for the 2016 nod is an idiot.

114 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:34:13pm

re: #108 Kragar

You can still see some good stuff on The Ocho.

I like ATH and PTI and the Sports reporters on Sunday Morning..And of course my nightly fix of Cookies and milk watching Sportscenter highlights..

115 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:35:38pm

re: #114 HoosierHoops

I like ATH and PTI and the Sports reporters on Sunday Morning..And of course my nightly fix of Cookies and milk watching Sportscenter highlights..

I am a big fan of sport.

116 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:37:22pm


I thought he was tough enough for torture. What is he worried about?

117 The Mountain That Blogs  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:38:19pm

re: #116 NJDhockeyfan

Apparently neither of those things exist in Russia or China.

118 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:40:58pm

re: #117 The Mountain That Blogs

Apparently neither of those things exist in Russia or China.

Not in Ecuador or Venezuela either.

119 erik_t  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:41:12pm

re: #115 Kragar

I am a big fan of sport.

I like the one where the large man takes possession of the token and moves it against the group of other large men, so that he might perform a ritual with the token and thereby record a success for his side and gather riches and acclaim.

120 Stoatly  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:41:20pm

re: #68 Decatur Deb

Cold beer? England? I call ‘false flag’.

Racist!

re: #70 Varek Raith

Like us Americans know anything about beer…
;)

I was surprised to find decent (microbrewed) beer in the US - all the mass market stuff that gets out to the rest of the planet is a poor excuse, and don’t get me started on American “cheese”….

121 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:43:30pm

re: #116 NJDhockeyfan

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I thought he was tough enough for torture. What is he worried about?

If he really thinks he’s going to be tortured or executed, he’s even more paranoid than I thought.

122 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:44:25pm

re: #119 erik_t

I like the one where the large man takes possession of the token and moves it against the group of other large men, so that he might perform a ritual with the token and thereby record a success for his side and gather riches and acclaim.

I am a rather enthusiastic follower of local sports franchise.

123 AlexRogan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:44:30pm

re: #119 erik_t

I like the one where the large man takes possession of the token and moves it against the group of other large men, so that he might perform a ritual with the token and thereby record a success for his side and gather riches and acclaim.

That just sounds so…cold and clinical.

124 bratwurst  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:44:43pm
125 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:45:18pm

Now this is interesting, Derek Black renounces white nationalism:

“Advocating for white nationalism means that we are opposed to minority attempts to elevate themselves to a position equal to our own,” wrote Black, a junior at the elite New College of Florida. “It is an advocacy that I cannot support, having grown past my bubble, talked to the people I affected, read more widely, and realized the necessary impact my actions had on people I never wanted to harm.”

Thanksgiving dinner is going to be awkward this year.

126 erik_t  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:45:48pm

re: #122 Kragar

I am a rather enthusiastic follower of local sports franchise.

PIGGERS ARE NUMBER ONE! PIGGERS ARE GONNA GO ALL THE WAY THIS YEAR!

127 AlexRogan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:45:51pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

If he really thinks he’s going to be tortured or executed, he’s even more paranoid than I thought.

I wonder how much of it is being “enhanced” by Greenwald and Assange.

128 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:46:29pm
129 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:46:47pm

re: #119 erik_t

I like the one where the large man takes possession of the token and moves it against the group of other large men, so that he might perform a ritual with the token and thereby record a success for his side and gather riches and acclaim.

indeed, the nacirema are a ritualistic peoples!

130 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:46:59pm

re: #119 erik_t

I like the one where the large man takes possession of the token and moves it against the group of other large men, so that he might perform a ritual with the token and thereby record a success for his side and gather riches and acclaim.

What it was, was football…

Youtube Video

131 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:47:06pm

re: #123 AlexRogan

That just sounds so…cold and clinical.

Hooray, a grown man has with run a small inflated bag past another man, rendering my life full of meaning.

132 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:47:18pm

re: #120 Stoatly

Racist!

I was surprised to find decent (microbrewed) beer in the US - all the mass market stuff that gets out to the rest of the planet is a poor excuse, and don’t get me started on American “cheese”….

Once a year I treat myself to a special order of Theakston Old Peculiar via an area liquor store that can get it shipped from Yorkshire.
My biggest problem is managing to get to the store in time before they sell off most of the two cases I ordered…

133 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:47:32pm

re: #124 bratwurst

Look, folks, I think we can all understand why white people are outraged about this Rolling Stone cover: t.co

— Nick Confessore (@nickconfessore) July 17, 2013

134 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:48:33pm

re: #120 Stoatly

Racist!

I was surprised to find decent (microbrewed) beer in the US - all the mass market stuff that gets out to the rest of the planet is a poor excuse, and don’t get me started on American “cheese”….

I bought some Chimay beer..Made by Monks and really tasty and strong. Cost 30 bucks a 6pack in Oklahoma..I hope those Monks are driving Beemers for that price.

135 darthstar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:49:19pm

Image: 1015831_611470202218022_1465683284_o.jpg

136 Lidane  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:49:37pm

re: #116 NJDhockeyfan

But enough of how far the conspiracy nutbars will go to get a martyr.

WTF did Snowden expect the American government to do? Greet him as a liberator and offer him a large cash reward?

137 Lidane  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:51:21pm

re: #120 Stoatly

I was surprised to find decent (microbrewed) beer in the US - all the mass market stuff that gets out to the rest of the planet is a poor excuse, and don’t get me started on American “cheese”….

American “cheese” isn’t cheese. It’s a “cheese food product” whatever the hell that means. Bleah.

That said, yeah. There are some amazing microbrews around here. Just avoid the shitty mass market beers (Bud Light, Coors Light, etc.) and go for something local or regional and you’re good.

138 darthstar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:52:24pm

re: #116 NJDhockeyfan

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I thought he was tough enough for torture. What is he worried about?

The US doesn’t torture. President Obama put an end to that practice.

139 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:52:53pm

Oh Jimmy, go retire already.

140 erik_t  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:52:54pm

re: #134 HoosierHoops

I bought some Chimay beer..Made by Monks and really tasty and strong. Cost 30 bucks a 6pack in Oklahoma..I hope those Monks are driving Beemers for that price.

Sure, but one Chimay will knock you flat on your ass. Those Monks don’t mess around.

141 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:54:05pm

re: #137 Lidane

All I know is this:

I’d buy a case of MGD, my buddy would buy a 6 pack of his high fallutin’ beer, and as soon as we got to beer number 7, he’d be asking to bum one off of me.

142 darthstar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:54:15pm

Howard University College of Medicine…making a point.

Image: 941262_704735329555923_82848791_n.jpg

143 Lidane  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:54:36pm
144 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:55:50pm

re: #143 Lidane

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I want Ted to get everything he deserves.

145 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:56:32pm

re: #143 Lidane

[Embedded content]

So much for conservatives being against frivulous lawsuits. He needs to leave the Martins the hell alone. Zimmerman is the one who accosted Treyvon not vice versa. MAybe if ted didn’t have his gun up his ass 24-7 he’d know that.

146 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:57:15pm

re: #125 goddamnedfrank

Do yourself a favor and read all of Derek Black’s letter to the SPLC. It’s pretty amazing. Nice to see someone who’s been so thoroughly brainwashed for almost his whole life make such a complete turn, acknowledging all the harm he’s done. Goes to show how even the most hardened ideological fundamentalists can evolve if moved into the right environment.

In certain circles however this will only reinforce evil ideas about the liberalizing influence of higher education.

147 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:57:15pm

re: #142 darthstar

Howard University College of Medicine…making a point.

Image: 941262_704735329555923_82848791_n.jpg

It’s a powerful image.

148 darthstar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:57:21pm

re: #144 Kragar

I want Ted to get everything he deserves.

That’s not fair to inflamed ass boils.

149 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:58:21pm

You know, I remember a time when, even though I hated every piece of music he ever recorded, I didn’t think of Ted Nugent as a malignant hateful creep - he was more in the “dumb comedy rock” category.

He’s now all the way in malignant hater territory. No fun left there.

150 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:59:23pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

So much for conservatives being against frivulous lawsuits. He needs to leave the Martins the hell alone. Zimmerman is the one who accosted Treyvon not vice versa. MAybe if ted didn’t have his gun up his ass 24-7 he’d know that.

Trying reading his full thoughts on the case.

Dude thinks black people don’t get arrested since The Kenyan Muslim got elected.

But also, it’s totally not about race.

But black people don’t teach their kids not to thugs.

It’s like Stage 3 Syphilis, if syphilis was racist.

151 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:59:51pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

You know, I remember a time when, even though I hated every piece of music he ever recorded, I didn’t think of Ted Nugent as a malignant hateful creep - he was more in the “dumb comedy rock” category.

He’s now all the way in malignant hater territory. No fun left there.

Yeah I just thought he was a bit obsessed with guns but I didn’t realize what a creep he was until Obama became president.

152 Lidane  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:59:53pm

re: #140 erik_t

Sure, but one Chimay will knock you flat on your ass. Those Monks don’t mess around.

THIS. Chimay Blue is 9% abv. For a beer, that’s pretty damned strong. It’s practically a barleywine. Knock a few of those back and you’re gone.

153 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 3:05:44pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

Nugent’s New Racist Rant: ‘The Blacks’ Are to Blame for Their Own Oppression

“(R)acism against blacks was gone by the time I started touring the nation in the late [19]60s,” Nugent said, “Nothing of consequence existed to deter or compromise a black American’s dream if they got an alarm clock, if they set it, if they took good care of themselves, they remained clean and sober, if they spoke clearly, and they demanded excellence of themselves and provided excellence to their employers.”

154 Lidane  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 3:07:17pm

re: #153 Kragar


Nugent’s New Racist Rant: ‘The Blacks’ Are to Blame for Their Own Oppression

Because Mr. Draft Dodging Pants-Shitter knows all about providing excellence.

155 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 3:08:24pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m imaging your MIL spending the rest of her life trapped in the ER.
I’m sure Snowden empathizes…
//

From what he wrote on ArsTechnica a few years back, he would let her die, because old people.

Just like he wants the govt to collapse because thief/attention whore.

156 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 3:11:24pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

You know, I remember a time when, even though I hated every piece of music he ever recorded, I didn’t think of Ted Nugent as a malignant hateful creep - he was more in the “dumb comedy rock” category.

He’s now all the way in malignant hater territory. No fun left there.

Ted tries to get his music cred by listing Howl’n Wolf as an influence in his guitar playing..Really Ted? You play 3 chords over and over as loud as possible..

157 jhrhv  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 3:13:32pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Can I live here please?

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I was in Tahaa in French Polynesia on holiday a couple of years ago. It really is like that photo and better. Was having a blah day at work the other week and did some looking for jobs there. There aren’t any so I started thinking about opening a hot dog stand. :)

That is the most peaceful part of the planet I’ve visited. Totally different way of living and awesome French food that blew my mind. Thanks for bringing back the memory.

158 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 3:19:21pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Yeah I just thought he was a bit obsessed with guns but I didn’t realize what a creep he was until Obama became president.

And as I said on another thread, that’s about the time he became NON-controversial in the hunting/gun community. Prior to that, there was a lot of talk about him being problematic as a symbol for hunters.

159 AlexRogan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 3:19:42pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

You know, I remember a time when, even though I hated every piece of music he ever recorded, I didn’t think of Ted Nugent as a malignant hateful creep - he was more in the “dumb comedy rock” category.

He’s now all the way in malignant hater territory. No fun left there.

I’ve never been a hardcore Nugent fan, just a casual listener with just a few of his hits in my collection (“Cat Scratch Fever”, “Stranglehold”, plus The Amboy Dukes’ “Journey to the Center of the Mind” and Damn Yankees’ “High Enough”). However, the more that I’ve found out about his past and the more that he keeps running his mouth, the harder it gets to listen to anything that he’s playing on.

Fuck Nugent sideways in his ear hole.

160 AlexRogan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 3:21:55pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Yeah I just thought he was a bit obsessed with guns but I didn’t realize what a creep he was until Obama became president.

I’ll bet that Anthony Bourdain wishes now that he never did an episode of No Reservations with Creepy Uncle Ted now…I wish he hadn’t, because Bourdain is still cool.

161 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 3:34:33pm

re: #131 Kragar

Hooray, a grown man has with run a small inflated bag past another man, rendering my life full of meaning.

The description of baseball in “A later extract from Methuselah’s diary” by Mark Twain is a classic:

“Tenth Day-It taketh but short space to craze men of indifferent understanding with a new thing. Behold, ‘tis now but two years gone that a certain ancient game, played with a ball, hath come up again, yet already are all mouths filled with the phrases that describe its parts and movement; insomuch, indeed, that the ears of the sober and such as would busy themselves with weightier matters are racked with the clack of the same till they do ache with anguish. If a man deceive his neighbor with a shrewd trick that doth advantage himself to his neighbor’s hurt, the vulgar say of the sufferer that he was Caught out on a Foul. If one accomplisheth a great and sudden triumph of any sort soever, ‘tis said of him that he hath Made a Three-Base Hit. If one fail utterly in an enterprise of pith and moment, you shall hear this said concerning him: “Hashbat-kakolath.”* Thus hath this vile deformity of speech entered with familiar insolence into the very warp and woof of the language, and made ugly that which before was shapely and beautiful.

Today, by command of my father, was this game contested in the great court of his palace after the manner of the playing of it three centuries gone by. Nine men that had their calves clothed in red did strive against other nine that had blue hose upon their calves. Certain of those in blue stood at distances, one from another, stooping, each with his palms upon his knees, watching; these called they Basemen and Fielders-wherefore, God knoweth. It concerneth me not to know, neither to care. One with red legs stood wagging a club about his head, which from time to time he struck upon the ground, then wagged he it again. Behind him bent one with blue legs that did spit much upon his hands, and was called a Catcher. Beside him bent one called Umpire, clothed in the common fashion of the time, who marked upon the ground with a stick, yet accomplished nothing by it that I could make out. Saith this one, “Low Ball.” Whereat one with blue legs did deliver a ball with vicious force straight at him that bore the club, but failed to bring him down, through some blemish of his aim. At once did all that are called Basemen and Fielders spit upon their hands and stoop and watch again. He that bore the club did suffer the ball to be flung at him divers times, but did always bend in his body or bend it out and so save himself, whilst the others spat upon their hands, he at the same instant endeavoring to destroy the Umpire with his bludgeon, yet not succeeding, through grievous awkwardness.

But in the fullness of time was he more fortunate, and did lay the Umpire dead, which mightily pleased me, yet fell himself, he failing to avoid the ball, which this time cracked his skull, to my deep gratitude and satisfaction. Conceiving this to be the end, I did crave my father’s leave to go, and got it, though all beside me did remain, to see the rest disabled. Yet had I seen a sufficiency, and shall visit this sport no more, forasmuch as the successful hits come too laggingly, wherefore the game doth lack excitement. Moreover was Jebel there, windy with scorn of these modern players, and boastful of certain mighty Nines he knew three hundred years gone by-dead, now, and rotten, praise God, who doeth all things well.”

*This is not translatable into English, but it is about equivalent to “Lo, he is whitewashed.”-The Editor [M.T.]

162 makeitstop  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 3:39:35pm

re: #159 AlexRogan

I’ve never been a hardcore Nugent fan, just a casual listener with just a few of his hits in my collection (“Cat Scratch Fever”, “Stranglehold”, plus The Amboy Dukes’ “Journey to the Center of the Mind” and Damn Yankees’ “High Enough”). However, the more that I’ve found out about his past and the more that he keeps running his mouth, the harder it gets to listen to anything that he’s playing on.

Fuck Nugent sideways in his ear hole.

‘Journey’ was the last thing Nugent played on that interested me in the slightest.

163 garzooma  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 5:10:03pm

re: #84 garzooma

Replying to my own post, where I wrote:

I also pointed out elsewhere that while Z’s run-ins with the law were inadmissible, it’s not obvious that his own claims — his application to the law enforcement academy, his petition for a restraining order — would also be inadmissible.

It seems another Andrew Sullivan reader addresses my point:

The same rationale applies to your reader’s suggestion that the evidence of Zimmerman’s prior claims of self defense should have been put into issue. However, repeated self-defense claims and the self-defense claim in the Trayvon case could have caused this to be either “habit” evidence or permissible character evidence. I don’t practice in Florida so cannot claim expertise of their rules of evidence. But here the legal nuances are at least very interesting.


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