2 | theliel Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:59:28am |
I’m getting ‘starts shortly’
2pm EST (6pm UTC)
Also Too,
Give ‘em Hell Barry
3 | erik_t Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:59:33am |
Today I learned that hitting refresh over and over on a url like http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/maintenance.php tells me very little about whether or not I can get to http://littlegreenfootballs.com.
Derp: it’s not just for Michelle Bachmann anymore!
4 | Kragar Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:01:24am |
“Dear GOP, I admit, I really am the Antichrist and I’ll see to it you all burn in hellfire unless you pass the CR and debt limit. BOOGA BOOGA!”
//
They’re dumb enough to take it seriously and they might just pass something.
5 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:01:47am |
re: #3 erik_t
Today I learned that hitting refresh over and over on a url like http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/maintenance.php tells me very little about whether or not I can get to http://littlegreenfootballs.com.
Derp: it’s not just for Michelle Bachmann anymore!
6 | dog philosopher Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:03:35am |
re: #2 theliel
I’m getting ‘starts shortly’
2pm EST (6pm UTC)Also Too,
Give ‘em Hell Barry
i always start shortly
7 | Ian G. Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:03:40am |
Dear Mr. President:
You are the only thing standing between my goal of a comfortable middle-class existence and sending my not-yet-born children to college and the bug-eyed lunatics like Michele Bachmann who are anxiously awaiting the destruction of the world and the 2nd coming of Christ, like some lunatic death cult (which they are). I voted for you twice, gave you money when you were still a longshot against Hillary, and I did this because I saw a calm temperament and steel nerve that would guide us through crises as well as anyone. Please do not fail me.
8 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:03:46am |
re: #5 Dark_Falcon
I’d honestly rather have Miley in Congress than Bachmann. And I’m 110% serious here. At least Miley doesn’t believe POTUS is supporting Al Queda and this crazy end times bullshit.
9 | Kragar Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:03:54am |
Tea party leader: GOP passed ‘clean defund Obamcare’ and ‘clean delay Obamacare’ bills
While speaking with MSNBC’s Chris Jansing on Tuesday, Kremer made it clear that Republicans had a different definition of “clean.”
“President Obama keeps saying bring a CR — bring a clean CR to the floor let them vote on it,” Kremer said. “Well, my question is, why doesn’t [Senate Majority Leader] Harry Reid bring the clean defund Obamacare [bill] to the floor and let the Senate vote on it? Why doesn’t he bring the clean delay Obamacare bill to the floor and let them vote on that?”
“I mean, it goes both ways,” she added. “They’re both responsible.”
10 | ObserverArt Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:04:14am |
Just had commented downthread I noticed the talkin’ heads primpin’ in front of the cameras.
Or was it pimpin’?
Sounds like there might be some dealing starting to break in the background. Let’s hope.
11 | darthstar Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:04:47am |
IF THE GOVERNMENT IS SHUT DOWN, WHY IS HE STILL ALLOWED TO WORK?
Good to see your maintenance window is closed, Charles. Dealt with site outage at work this morning, so I can feel your pain.
12 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:05:12am |
re: #9 Kragar
Tea party leader: GOP passed ‘clean defund Obamcare’ and ‘clean delay Obamacare’ bills
I give up with these fuckmongrels. I give up. It’s either defund Obamacare or nothing with these fools. They seriously think they have this mandate to get rid of Obamacare.
13 | dog philosopher Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:05:41am |
Obama Negotiating Position No Deal On Debt Limit Unless Public Option Added To ACA
chides republicans for refusing to negotiate further socializing of health care
14 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:06:02am |
re: #9 Kragar
Tea party leader: GOP passed ‘clean defund Obamcare’ and ‘clean delay Obamacare’ bills
Both of those ideas are DOA in the Senate and White House. They’re also not based in reality.
The ACA has already gone into effect. Taking it away or “delaying” it now would be pointless, since people are already signing up on the exchanges. And you can’t defund something that is mandatory spending. Morons.
15 | dog philosopher Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:06:28am |
re: #12 HappyWarrior
I give up with these fuckmongrels. I give up. It’s either defund Obamacare or nothing with these fools. They seriously think they have this mandate to get rid of Obamacare.
the rhetorical monkeyshines are getting paleopithecine
16 | klys Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:07:21am |
re: #9 Kragar
Tea party leader: GOP passed ‘clean defund Obamcare’ and ‘clean delay Obamacare’ bills
Head. Desk. Repeat.
IT WAS DEFEATED, you moron. THE SENATE DID VOTE ON IT. THE AMENDMENT TO STRIP THE DEFUND/DELAY PASSED. YOU LOST.
I mean, fuck. THIS IS NOT A BOTH SIDES THING. I know they’d like it to be because - gasp - they’re getting blamed for it and they need to share the blame, but…
17 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:08:26am |
I take Justin Bieber more seriously than I do the GOP at this point. At least I can excuse Bieber by saying he’s only 19. These guys are supposedly grown adults. Act fucking like it. You’re going to disagree with Obama and I’m practical enough to understand that but you don’t get fuck over the country because health care reform is now law.
18 | Kragar Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:08:27am |
re: #14 Lidane
Both of those ideas are DOA in the Senate and White House. They’re also not based in reality.
The ACA has already gone into effect. Taking it away or “delaying” it now would be pointless, since people are already signing up on the exchanges. And you can’t defund something that is mandatory spending. Morons.
In her, and I use this term loosely, “mind”, since the House GOP passed the bill, the Senate and WH are obligated to pass the bills, because Free-dumb. “You wanted the government funded and we did that, except for what you asked for. Why are you being difficult?”
19 | Romantic Heretic Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:08:35am |
re: #12 HappyWarrior
I give up with these fuckmongrels. I give up. It’s either defund Obamacare or nothing with these fools. They seriously think they have this mandate to get rid of Obamacare.
They don’t have the mandate, but they do have the ability. And since their goal is destruction of the federal government they see no reason why they shouldn’t use that power.
Once again I am struck by how similar they are to the Bolsheviks they claim to hate.
20 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:09:30am |
re: #19 Romantic Heretic
They don’t have the mandate, but they do have the ability. And since their goal is destruction of the federal government they see no reason why they shouldn’t use that power.
Once again I am struck by how similar they are to the Bolsheviks they claim to hate.
It’s a good analogy. Bolsheviks claimed to represent “the people” despite being a minority. I hope this doesn’t end the way that one did though.
21 | Eclectic Cyborg Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:09:51am |
re: #12 HappyWarrior
I give up with these fuckmongrels. I give up. It’s either defund Obamacare or nothing with these fools. They seriously think they have this mandate to get rid of Obamacare.
They do. They just fail to realize that hey, mandates don’t really matter when you’re not the party in power.
22 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:09:55am |
News flash sweetie: if you want the country to default on its debt YOU ARE A FUCKING TERRORIST. I don’t care if your feelings are hurt.
Kind of concerning how often the dems use their own worst qualities to accuse us - now they are calling us terrorists. #yikes #lnyhbt #tcot— Beth Larsen (@tagen22) October 8, 2013
24 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:10:39am |
re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg
They do. They just fail to realize that hey, mandates don’t really matter when you’re not the party in power.
I wouldn’t say they have a mandate at all. The president was re-elected and they got few votes for the Senate and House then they did in the last election.
25 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:11:36am |
re: #22 Vicious Babushka
News flash sweetie: if you want the country to default on its debt YOU ARE A FUCKING TERRORIST. I don’t care if your feelings are hurt.
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And yet she probably thinks nothing when POTUS is likened to Hitler. Fucking wingnuts. They want to name call till fucking hell come wild but don’t call them anything, you big meanies.
26 | Kragar Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:11:43am |
re: #22 Vicious Babushka
News flash sweetie: if you want the country to default on its debt YOU ARE A FUCKING TERRORIST. I don’t care if your feelings are hurt.
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Probably a big fan of the Confederacy.
27 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:12:15am |
DERP
Administration that can't start press conference on time now in control of your health insurance.— Rep. Steve Stockman (@SteveWorks4You) October 8, 2013
28 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:12:31am |
Just out: @CoveredCA’s first week’s numbers. o 987,440 unique visitors to site o 59,003 calls to service centers o 16,311 completed apps— Dan Diamond (@ddiamond) October 8, 2013
29 | darthstar Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:13:22am |
The best part of a WH presser is these four guys stand around w/their thumbs up their asses before it starts. #derp pic.twitter.com/FVSw6Ios1Q— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) October 8, 2013
30 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:13:24am |
re: #28 Lidane
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Defund it, because seven trillion people didn’t access the site or make calls. It’s clearly a failure.//
31 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:13:55am |
How has no boy band done a video where they're all the network White House correspondents waiting for the president?— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) October 8, 2013
32 | Kragar Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:14:00am |
re: #27 Vicious Babushka
DERP
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@SteveWorks4You Some Republican is probably blocking the hallway into the room— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 8, 2013
33 | calochortus Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:14:12am |
re: #28 Lidane
But I think we all know that no one at all is getting coverage
34 | theliel Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:14:22am |
Some mood music while you wait Postmodern Jukebox
35 | wrenchwench Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:14:25am |
36 | Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:14:54am |
Are all press conferences going to start with a chorus line of media talking heads now?— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 8, 2013
@sylk Maybe they should work up some routines from “Cats.” With the costumes. That would rock.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 8, 2013
37 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:15:06am |
re: #9 Kragar
Tea party leader: GOP passed ‘clean defund Obamcare’ and ‘clean delay Obamacare’ bills
“Well, my question is, why doesn’t [Senate Majority Leader] Harry Reid bring the clean defund Obamacare [bill] to the floor and let the Senate vote on it? Why doesn’t he bring the clean delay Obamacare bill to the floor and let them vote on that?”
Reid did, the full Senate voted down Cruz’s amendment. That was a clean vote on that issue. What she’s referring to as the “clean” bill is the one that holds the budget hostage. She’s either cynically lying or intellectually incapable of comprehending what constitutes a clean bill.
38 | Dr Lizardo Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:15:10am |
re: #22 Vicious Babushka
News flash sweetie: if you want the country to default on its debt YOU ARE A FUCKING TERRORIST. I don’t care if your feelings are hurt.
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The economic destruction of the USA is one of the oft-stated - and explicit - goals of Al Qaeda.
39 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:15:54am |
President Obama: If Speaker Boehner needs something in exchange for not destroying the economy, how about “not destroying the economy?”— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) October 8, 2013
41 | lawhawk Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:17:32am |
re: #14 Lidane
It’s been a 3-pronged attack, defund, delay, and destroy. And they can’t do any of it legally, so they’re attempting to do it by extortion.
If you don’t concede to their demands, they’ll burn the economy to the ground, but the TP/GOP turns all this on its head by claiming it’s Obama who’s unreasonable and making unconscionable demands by insisting on a budget and debt ceiling increase on spending that Congress already approved.
But considering how many people are economic illiterates and can barely manage their own personal finances, is it any surprise that there’s so many people who think that we can refuse to increase the debt ceiling.
That will not make the problem go away. That actually is the problem. We have this mechanism in place that the GOP is now using to throw global markets into a tizzy because they may actually go and let the nation default on its debt. It would crater our credit, increase borrowing costs, and hasten world governments and investors to consider alternative safe havens for their investments. That’s the last thing to do if you claim to be for businesses and the middle class (and everyone else).
42 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:18:47am |
What foreign markets have the Koch brothers invested in that would let them cash in on a U.S. debt default?
43 | Eclectic Cyborg Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:18:57am |
re: #24 HappyWarrior
I wouldn’t say they have a mandate at all. The president was re-elected and they got few votes for the Senate and House then they did in the last election.
Correct, but by mandate I meant that the majority of voters who voted GOP did so on the expectation that the party would do whatever it could to stop Obamacare. It’s not a “clean” mandate (there’s that word again), but to the RWNJs it’s a mandate of sorts.
44 | Bulworth Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:19:03am |
re: #37 goddamnedfrank
Obviously President Romney should do whatever the teaparty wants and defund Ocare. //
45 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:19:18am |
Obama: If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I have a very particular set of skills that make me a nightmare for people like you.— pourmecoffee (@pourmecoffee) October 8, 2013
46 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:19:26am |
re: #43 Eclectic Cyborg
Correct, but by mandate I meant that the majority of voters who voted GOP did so on the expectation that the party would do whatever it could to stop Obamacare. It’s not a “clean” mandate (there’s that word again), but to the RWNJs it’s a mandate of sorts.
Ah true enough.
47 | Romantic Heretic Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:19:27am |
re: #20 HappyWarrior
It’s a good analogy. Bolsheviks claimed to represent “the people” despite being a minority. I hope this doesn’t end the way that one did though.
Also like the Bolsheviks they are motivated, to a large part, by an economic system. The badly mis-named capitalism.
What’s really ironic is they agree with the Bolsheviks on how capitalism works. The only difference is the Bolsheviks thought this was a bad thing and the teahadis think it is a good thing.
48 | wrenchwench Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:20:08am |
Week-old baby has a twitter account.
Watching president @BarackObama talk about the #shutdown. Fed gov't has been closed since I was born Weds. pic.twitter.com/e3iuGUzotu— Ava Contreras (@Ava_theBaby) October 8, 2013
Her father is an AP reporter.
49 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:20:11am |
re: #47 Romantic Heretic
Also like the Bolsheviks they are motivated, to a large part, by an economic system. The badly mis-named capitalism.
What’s really ironic is they agree with the Bolsheviks on how capitalism works. The only difference is the Bolsheviks thought this was a bad thing and the teahadis think it is a good thing.
That is an interesting irony.
50 | Eclectic Cyborg Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:20:33am |
re: #27 Vicious Babushka
DERP
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Actually no it’s not dumbass. Private insurance companies are still in charge of your healthcare.
51 | Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:21:06am |
re: #48 wrenchwench
Week-old baby has a twitter account.
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Her father is an AP reporter.
Come on! That baby’s not really typing those tweets!
52 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:21:20am |
“House Republicans don't get to demand ransoms in exchange for doing their jobs.” —President Obama #JustVote— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) October 8, 2013
53 | Dr Lizardo Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:21:42am |
He’s being quite reasonable at this presser.
I’d be going all Samuel L. Jackson on the GOP. I suppose that’s why I’ll never be President, LOL.
54 | wrenchwench Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:22:02am |
re: #51 Charles Johnson
Come on! That baby’s not really typing those tweets!
We grow ‘em smart and precocious here in NM.
55 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:22:20am |
WTF
This is deeply damaging for the President to scare the markets like this.— Amanda Carpenter (@amandacarpenter) October 8, 2013
56 | ObserverArt Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:22:32am |
re: #51 Charles Johnson
Come on! That baby’s not really typing those tweets!
Dictation.
Remember that?
57 | jaunte Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:23:47am |
Dow lost 2,000 points due to 2011 debt ceiling fight. Mostly True. http://t.co/8Kuwp7j9TB
— PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) October 8, 2013
“Mostly true.”
58 | ProTARDISLiberal Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:23:49am |
re: #55 Vicious Babushka
She needs to shut up.
59 | calochortus Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:23:49am |
60 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:24:21am |
re: #55 Vicious Babushka
WTF
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Yeah and shutting down the government was just swell.
61 | Targetpractice Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:24:22am |
re: #53 Dr Lizardo
He’s being quite reasonable at this presser.
I’d be going all Samuel L. Jackson on the GOP. I suppose that’s why I’ll never be President, LOL.
He’s sounding reasonable, so of course we’ll hear the wingnuts screaming that he’s being dictatorial and the public won’t respond well to his hysterics.
62 | AntonSirius Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:24:51am |
re: #22 Vicious Babushka
News flash sweetie: if you want the country to default on its debt YOU ARE A FUCKING TERRORIST. I don’t care if your feelings are hurt.
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#ThingsThatAnnoyMe Hearing “Wow, I'd never realized that” too often from inept professors who are supposed to teach ME.— Beth Larsen (@tagen22) October 8, 2013
It’s called “being patronized”, Beth. You’re getting offended for all the wrong reasons.
63 | ObserverArt Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:24:51am |
Oh come on…the Republicans don’t mind debt increases if they should come due to defaulting and paying higher interests. There is a point to be made about cutting deficits.
Party before Country.
Hell, Party before Everything.
64 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:25:14am |
re: #53 Dr Lizardo
He’s being quite reasonable at this presser.
I’d be going all Samuel L. Jackson on the GOP. I suppose that’s why I’ll never be President, LOL.
They’re lucky that he’s very cool and collected because I not only would be openly furious but show it and Boehner may not like the words I’d have for him and the stunt he and his pals pulled.
65 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:25:56am |
I just can’t even.
Second time in a week Obama tried to spook markets into tanking, hurt people, to give him political leverage. Chicago-style politics.— Rep. Steve Stockman (@SteveWorks4You) October 8, 2013
66 | klys Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:26:05am |
I liked his use of the “more polite” terms to describe the default.
67 | Sionainn Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:26:18am |
re: #61 Targetpractice
He’s sounding reasonable, so of course we’ll hear the wingnuts screaming that he’s being dictatorial and the public won’t respond well to his hysterics.
Yes, that and the “angry black man.”
68 | Dr Lizardo Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:26:28am |
re: #61 Targetpractice
He’s sounding reasonable, so of course we’ll hear the wingnuts screaming that he’s being dictatorial and the public won’t respond well to his hysterics.
Heh.
I’d be using words and phrases like “fatuous imbeciles” “cretins” “economic illiterates and cranks” “vacuous dunderheads” “loons” “conspiracy theorists” “mentally unhinged” etc., etc.
69 | Kragar Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:27:13am |
Colbert on shutdown: Republicans already compromised on ‘having Mitt Romney be president’
Colbert showed a series of video clips of Republican lawmakers blaming President Barack Obama for the shutdown, saying they were more than willing to negotiate.
Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Rand Paul (R-KY) each were quoted as saying they’d backed off their initial demands to repeal or defund the Affordable Care Act, but were instead willing to simply delay the law for a year or so.
Colbert said those positions were more than reasonable.
“Every one of those offers is a compromise from the Republicans’ original offer: having Mitt Romney be president,” Colbert said. “But — surprise, surprise — Obama wouldn’t negotiate on that, either.”
70 | calochortus Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:27:20am |
re: #67 Sionainn
Yes, that and the “angry black man.”
Fortunately he’s calm, so he is being described by wingnuts as “lifeless” instead.
71 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:27:33am |
THESE PEOPLE ARE SO FUCKING STUPID.
Someone PLEASE explain to me how #IncreasingtheDebtCeiling doesn't increase out debt? #tcot #lnyhbt #Obama #Moron #tpp #sheeple— Danny (@marineopsguy) October 8, 2013
72 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:27:45am |
re: #65 Vicious Babushka
I just can’t even.
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Does Stockman do anything other than tweet all day? Jesus Christ on a stick. And Steve,your party are the thugs here. You’re the ones who can’t handle a law being well law so you shut down the government so spare me the CHicago politics whining you right wing pig fucker.
73 | SpaceJesus Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:27:45am |
“fair shake” ha. the embrace of communism more like it
74 | Sionainn Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:27:54am |
re: #70 calochortus
Fortunately he’s calm, so he is being described by wingnuts as “lifeless”.
That’s a new one.
75 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:28:09am |
ANOTHER FREAKING MORAN
Obama just said raising the debt ceiling doesn't add to America's debt.. there has to be one lib out there that this embarrasses #UniteBlue— gary grams (A) (@garygramscom) October 8, 2013
76 | jaunte Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:28:13am |
re: #65 Vicious Babushka
Popular delusions.
Speaker John Boehner rallied his troops this morning at a closed-door conference meeting at the Capitol. Democrats are trying to “annihilate us,” he told his members.
politicususa.com
77 | ObserverArt Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:28:14am |
re: #68 Dr Lizardo
Heh.
I’d be using words and phrases like “fatuous imbeciles” “cretins” “economic illiterates and cranks” “vacuous dunderheads” “loons” “conspiracy theorists” “mentally unhinged” etc., etc.
Bring out the canons.
Nattering Naybobs of Negativity. BOOM!
78 | Dr Lizardo Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:28:43am |
79 | calochortus Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:28:54am |
re: #75 Vicious Babushka
ANOTHER FREAKING MORAN
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Gah. Obama just did explain it-and in simple terms too.
80 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:28:57am |
re: #72 HappyWarrior
Does Stockman do anything other than tweet all day? Jesus Christ on a stick. And Steve,your party are the thugs here. You’re the ones who can’t handle a law being well law so you shut down the government so spare me the CHicago politics whining you right wing pig fucker.
It’s not Stockman, it’s some unpaid intern who is “Tweeting for social media chops” in hope of finding a paying jrrb when this crisis is over.
81 | kirkspencer Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:29:17am |
re: #22 Vicious Babushka
News flash sweetie: if you want the country to default on its debt YOU ARE A FUCKING TERRORIST. I don’t care if your feelings are hurt.
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Being fair it’s not terrorism. It’s rebellion. Specifically it’s subversion.
These people should pause to take a good look at US law. 18 USC chapter 115, Treason, Sedition, and Subversive Activities. In particular the section on Seditious Conspiracy (18 USC § 2384).
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
And lest the elected representatives think they’re immune from arrest due to the constitution, Section 6 of Article 1 says:
The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.
82 | Carlos Danger Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:29:22am |
re: #68 Dr Lizardo
Heh.
I’d be using words and phrases like “fatuous imbeciles” “cretins” “economic illiterates and cranks” “vacuous dunderheads” “loons” “conspiracy theorists” “mentally unhinged” etc., etc.
Give it another week.
83 | Targetpractice Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:29:28am |
re: #76 jaunte
Popular delusions.
Yep, he’s fallen to pleading “party unity,” that anything but totally subservience to the Tea Party line is support for Obama.
84 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:29:29am |
I do like the president smacking at Bachmann and company for shoving Boehner around as they are doing.
85 | ObserverArt Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:29:51am |
Uh oh…don’t say anything about missing going overseas….aaayyyeeee….they are so going to bend that into more Fox-o-tics.
86 | erik_t Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:29:55am |
re: #84 Dark_Falcon
I do like the president smacking at Bachmann and company for forcing Boehner around as they are doing.
“Forcing”.
88 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:30:07am |
re: #68 Dr Lizardo
Heh.
I’d be using words and phrases like “fatuous imbeciles” “cretins” “economic illiterates and cranks” “vacuous dunderheads” “loons” “conspiracy theorists” “mentally unhinged” etc., etc.
I’d be calling Boehner a spineless piece of shit whom is beholden to a fringe minority of freaks who think dressing in colonial garb makes them the heirs of the founding fathers. Kind of exagerrating, my temper’s not that bad but if I were Obama meeting with Boehner, it would be difficult for me to reframe from calling Boehner for the cowardly wimp he is. I’m pissed, so sue me and I know it wouldn’t be presidential at all but I’m not disputing Obama’s approach here.
89 | ProTARDISLiberal Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:30:25am |
re: #87 Charles Johnson
Incoming what?
90 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:31:00am |
“Warren Buffett likened default to a nuclear bomb—a weapon too terrible to use.” —President Obama on the debt ceiling— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) October 8, 2013
91 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:31:19am |
WTFITS
Obama is the only person who has vowed to kill children's cancer funding and veterans care because he didn't get everything he wanted.— Rep. Steve Stockman (@SteveWorks4You) October 8, 2013
92 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:31:23am |
re: #86 erik_t
“Forcing”.
Yeah. He chose to be their tool. Fuck him. He’s worse then they are. I hate to use a cliche but with great power, well you know the rest. Too bad Boehner was busy in the tanning salon when he could have been reading.
93 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:31:42am |
94 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:31:54am |
95 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:32:34am |
Good to see Obama keep the attention on the extortion issue. That's the biggest liability for the GOP.— Noam Scheiber (@noamscheiber) October 8, 2013
97 | Ian G. Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:33:52am |
re: #55 Vicious Babushka
WTF
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The hell? The DJIA is down about .75% today, and hasn’t fallen off of a cliff since the President started speaking.
Also, all of Wall St. seems to be on the President’s side here. The only clowns denying the damage a default would cause also expect Jesus to return tomorrow and deny global warming.
99 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:34:39am |
I mean it must be real fucking nice to be a Congressional Republican. Shut down the government, check, keep pay during a shutdown that your partisan insanity cuased, check, claim Obama is personally responsible for people being denied entrance to memorials, check, oh and having a douchebag senator in your party hold up back pay for federal employees, check mate. I hate these guys. I know it’s a strong word but I hate them and everything they stand for. I want them politically ruined by this. I want the Tea Party and GOP name brand to be as popular as herpes.
100 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:34:43am |
Steve Stockman keeps Tweeting his ransom demands all throughout the President’s speech, mainly “We want a line item veto over which sutdown government programs get turned back on, even if it takes the next 60 years.”
101 | lawhawk Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:35:13am |
re: #99 HappyWarrior
And then work out in the Congressional gym that Speaker Boehner made sure was treated as essential.
102 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:35:16am |
re: #100 Vicious Babushka
Steve Stockman keeps Tweeting his ransom demands all throughout the President’s speech, mainly “We want a line item veto over which sutdown government programs get turned back on, even if it takes the next 60 years.”
Wasn’t the line item veto shot down by SCOTUS when Clinton was in office?
103 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:36:03am |
To repeat: Only one side is demanding unilateral concessions in exchange for doing what both agree must happen to avert econ chaos.— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) October 8, 2013
104 | AntonSirius Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:36:03am |
re: #88 HappyWarrior
I’d be calling Boehner a spineless piece of shit whom is beholden to a fringe minority of freaks who think dressing in colonial garb makes them the heirs of the founding fathers. Kind of exagerrating, my temper’s not that bad but if I were Obama meeting with Boehner, it would be difficult for me to reframe from calling Boehner for the cowardly wimp he is. I’m pissed, so sue me and I know it wouldn’t be presidential at all but I’m not disputing Obama’s approach here.
I know you can’t really push to get these things started - they have to happen organically - but I’d really like to see this be the response every time Boehner’s account tweets some BS:
Allow a vote on a clean CR or STFU @SpeakerBoehner House votes to protect Head Start students from Democrats’ govt #shutdown— Anton Sirius (@AntonSirius) October 8, 2013
105 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:36:04am |
re: #101 lawhawk
And then work out in the Congressional gym that Speaker Boehner made sure was treated as essential.
Yep, Boehner needs his abs but who cares about children going hungry. Johnny B’s got to impress Mrs. B so she doesn’t see him for the puny little man he is.
106 | lawhawk Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:36:52am |
To repeat: Only one side is demanding unilateral concessions in exchange for doing what both agree must happen to avert econ chaos.— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) October 8, 2013
Let’s also remember that the Treasury can’t prioritize debt; it’s not set up that way. It’s all FIFO. As debt obligations come due, they’re paid in the order received. The Treasury isn’t set up to handle payments any other way, and it would be damaging to the process to boot.
107 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:36:57am |
re: #102 Lidane
Wasn’t the line item veto shot down by SCOTUS when Clinton was in office?
It was, but getting rejected by SCOTUS won’t stop a DERP Steamroller like Stockman.
108 | ObserverArt Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:37:54am |
re: #96 Sionainn
I wonder if Francis is watching this. LOL.
Fingers on fire. Printer banging out letters. Calling the local TV station now.
109 | Dr Lizardo Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:37:55am |
re: #107 Dark_Falcon
It was, but getting rejected by SCOTUS won’t stop a DERP Steamroller like Stockman.
It doesn’t stop them one iota. They cherry-pick which SCOTUS rulings they wish to adhere to.
110 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:38:00am |
“The way we got to this point was one thing and one thing only: Republican obsession with dismantling Obamacare.” —President Obama— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) October 8, 2013
111 | RadicalModerate Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:38:09am |
112 | celticdragon Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:38:18am |
113 | Skip Intro Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:38:29am |
re: #102 Lidane
Wasn’t the line item veto shot down by SCOTUS when Clinton was in office?
Yeah, but Stockman will tell you they were all Obama appointees, and Fox and Friends will make that a segment tomorrow.
114 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:38:31am |
115 | BongCrodny Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:38:36am |
re: #99 HappyWarrior
I mean it must be real fucking nice to be a Congressional Republican. Shut down the government, check, keep pay during a shutdown that your partisan insanity cuased, check, claim Obama is personally responsible for people being denied entrance to memorials, check, oh and having a douchebag senator in your party hold up back pay for federal employees, check mate. I hate these guys. I know it’s a strong word but I hate them and everything they stand for. I want them politically ruined by this. I want the Tea Party and GOP name brand to be as popular as herpes.
Collect my paycheck, check.
116 | klys Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:38:56am |
I like that so far there haven’t been questions from the big networks.
117 | Sionainn Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:38:57am |
re: #108 ObserverArt
Fingers on fire. Printer banging out letters. Calling the local TV station now.
Stockman’s tweets make me think of Francis, if he had been elected to office.
118 | AntonSirius Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:39:12am |
re: #91 Vicious Babushka
WTFITS
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Dear @SteveWorks4You - the intern manning your Twitter feed is a compulsive liar. You should probably look into that.— Anton Sirius (@AntonSirius) October 8, 2013
119 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:39:35am |
re: #111 RadicalModerate
Yes.
Stockman will tell you that the POTUS is not allowed to line-item, but House members can.
120 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:39:35am |
re: #115 BongCrodny
Collect my paycheck, check.
Heh covered in “keep pay during a shutdown that your partisan insanity caused.” It’s annoying.
121 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:40:33am |
re: #118 AntonSirius
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122 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:40:49am |
POTUS on GOP's attitude to him: “If we just hold our breath and threaten default, he'll just give us anything we want” #GOPshutdown— Nerdy Wonka (@NerdyWonka) October 8, 2013
123 | celticdragon Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:41:17am |
124 | erik_t Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:41:22am |
re: #106 lawhawk
@ThePlumLineGS
To repeat: Only one side is demanding unilateral concessions in exchange for doing what both agree must happen to avert econ chaos.
The avoidance of a default of the government of the United States of America is, at this point, a de facto demand for a unilateral concession by the Democrats.
This should leave any rational person shaking their head, but it is the truth.
125 | wrenchwench Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:42:05am |
Is #deadbeat trending yet?— Sam Youngman (@samyoungman) October 8, 2013
126 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:42:31am |
re: #124 erik_t
The avoidance of a default of the government of the United States of America is, at this point, a de facto demand for a unilateral concession by the Democrats.
This should leave any rational person shaking their head, but it is the truth.
This exactly.
The Republican party is holding everyone hostage because a few economic terrorists in the Tea Party wing want to burn the country down.
127 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:42:42am |
No Country for Old Haters asks a good question. In regard to this Pages Post.
128 | Skip Intro Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:42:51am |
I see there’s a new potential candidate for VP in 2016.
129 | darthstar Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:43:08am |
re: #51 Charles Johnson
Come on! That baby’s not really typing those tweets!
Burp-to-text recognition is great on Android devices.
130 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:43:21am |
Bryan Fischer performs a stunning feat of Cognitive Dissonance when he declares that OBAMA WANTS TO DEFAULT ON THE DEBT SO THAT HE CAN DESTROY AMERICA!!!1!!1!!! and then says GO AHEAD AND DEFAULT ON THE DEBT IT AIN’T NO BIG THANG
Latest column: Obama WANTS a debt ceiling meltdown to destroy economy and GOP http://t.co/324zFTn83V— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) October 8, 2013
131 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:43:27am |
Ooh. That’s interesting. He just said that the US is going to pay its bills.
Methinks he’s got a contingency plan if the Republicans continue threatening to shoot the hostage.
132 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:43:37am |
How is it today?
Was LGF down again.
Sadly, the idea of it throws me into a tizzy. The Government being closed—not so much.
133 | darthstar Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:43:58am |
re: #128 Skip Intro
I see there’s a new potential candidate for VP in 2016.
Some of the longest shots in film history.
134 | Kragar Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:44:20am |
re: #128 Skip Intro
I see there’s a new potential candidate for VP in 2016.
If he’s running against the GOP, he’s got my vote.
135 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:44:29am |
Obama Recalls Last Fiscal Crisis Caused By 'Tea Party Republicans' http://t.co/d742FPIArM— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) October 8, 2013
136 | makeitstop Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:44:44am |
Thinking defaulting is no big deal is ‘not in touch with reality.’
What an understatement.
137 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:44:45am |
re: #128 Skip Intro
I see there’s a new potential candidate for VP in 2016.
Fuck, he’d probably be better than Palin or Ryan right?
138 | klys Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:45:08am |
re: #136 makeitstop
Thinking defaulting is no big deal is ‘not in touch with reality.’
What an understatement.
But it’s all just the media fear-mongering.
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139 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:45:25am |
re: #130 Vicious Babushka
Bryan Fischer performs a stunning feat of Cognitive Dissonance when he declares that OBAMA WANTS TO DEFAULT ON THE DEBT SO THAT HE CAN DESTROY AMERICA!!!1!!1!!! and then says GO AHEAD AND DEFAULT ON THE DEBT IT AIN’T NO BIG THANG
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More projection than an IMAX. Again.
140 | Dr Lizardo Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:45:28am |
141 | ObserverArt Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:45:44am |
re: #132 FemNaziBitch
How is it today?
Was LGF down again.
Sadly, the idea of it throws me into a tizzy. The Government being closed—not so much.
It went haywire for a bit. I think it is the main processors. They can’t handle all this Republican bullshit.
It does not compute.
142 | ProTARDISLiberal Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:46:00am |
re: #131 Lidane
Of course. The Debt ceiling is unconstitutional.
143 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:46:08am |
re: #130 Vicious Babushka
Bryan Fischer performs a stunning feat of Cognitive Dissonance when he declares that OBAMA WANTS TO DEFAULT ON THE DEBT SO THAT HE CAN DESTROY AMERICA!!!1!!1!!! and then says GO AHEAD AND DEFAULT ON THE DEBT IT AIN’T NO BIG THANG
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I still think that clarifying the wording to normal from political rhetoric would help things.
Think if that read “Obama wants a credit limit meltdown … “
Everyone knows what a credit limit is —“debt ceiling” sounds like mystical only for the anointed scary mumbo jumbo.
144 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:46:26am |
MOAR DERP
If @BarackObama spent as much time talking to @johnboehner as he is right now talking to the media, this shutdown could end today.— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) October 8, 2013
145 | klys Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:46:49am |
He just addressed the 14th amendment issue right on, and I think his read is accurate.
Which is to say, we’re fucked.
146 | Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:46:57am |
So the sane and knowledgeable heads on the Hill know that this is not going to come down to a default, just as the sane and knowledgeable heads knew that Romney was going to lose, but the press needs a story to sell…
147 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:47:20am |
OBAMA WANTS TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING IN ORDER TO SPEND MOAR AND MOAR1!!!111!!!!!!
Obama's debt management plan? Pay off his credit card by making you buy him another credit card.— Rep. Steve Stockman (@SteveWorks4You) October 8, 2013
148 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:47:23am |
re: #145 klys
He just addressed the 14th amendment issue right on, and I think his read is accurate.
Which is to say, we’re fucked.
I just woke-up. Are we talking States Rights?
149 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:47:24am |
I’m starting to think it may be a good time to learn how to teach English abroad.
150 | ProTARDISLiberal Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:47:25am |
re: #144 Vicious Babushka
And why are we listening to an upper-class twit who got into legal trouble across the pond?
151 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:47:54am |
re: #147 Vicious Babushka
OBAMA WANTS TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING IN ORDER TO SPEND MOAR AND MOAR1!!!111!!!!!!
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How do you “buy” a credit card?
152 | jaunte Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:47:55am |
re: #144 Vicious Babushka
If @BarackObama spent as much time talking to @johnboehner as he is right now talking to the media, this shutdown could end today.
Just not paying attention, is he?
153 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:48:19am |
re: #145 klys
He just addressed the 14th amendment issue right on, and I think his read is accurate.
Which is to say, we’re fucked.
I can’t believe we’ve gotten to the point where we’re facing default for no goddamn reason.
The Republican party is entirely to blame for this. They’ve given in to the economic terrorists in the Tea Party, so all the consequences are on their heads.
154 | klys Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:48:33am |
re: #148 FemNaziBitch
I just woke-up. Are we talking States Rights?
No, invoking the “full faith and credit” of the US.
155 | calochortus Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:49:13am |
156 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:49:29am |
Hope the GOP is proud of the monster they’ve created. I hope they’re really fucking happy. Because this for the reasons Lidane said better than I can is on them.
157 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:50:20am |
Ted Cruz: Destroying Entire Planet Best Way to Stop #Obamacare : The New Yorker http://t.co/qCvk6MvFl5 #UniteBlue #P2 #P2b #GOPshutDown— Ivan Roberson (@Ivanroberson) October 8, 2013
158 | lawhawk Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:50:34am |
re: #144 Vicious Babushka
.@piersmorgan .@BarackObama .@johnboehner there are none so blind as those who refuse to see - #GOPshutdown due to GOP refusal for #CleanCR— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 8, 2013
159 | Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:50:47am |
re: #156 HappyWarrior
Hope the GOP is proud of the monster they’ve created. I hope they’re really fucking happy. Because this for the reasons Lidane said better than I can is on them.
The GOP had a chance to distance themselves from these people when they started talking utter fucking ideological bullshit but missed the opportunity and now they cannot and will not be silenced.
160 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:50:50am |
re: #94 Dark_Falcon
I should have said ‘shoving’. Post changed, thanks.
Forced, shoved, whatever. The bottom line is that Boehner own his own refusal to bring the clean CR tot he floor. He also owns his own hostage taking language on the debt ceiling. There’s no point in blaming anybody else.
Your party’s elected leadership is basically non-existent, and most damning of all the so called moderates in your party are doing nothing at all about it. This is the GOP showing itself to be nothing more than a gang of useless lemmings under the command of an insane, compromised and inebriated Speaker. Only the lemmings are going to take the entire country over the cliff with them.
161 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:51:08am |
Multiple panel members have stated that lawmakers against #CEDAW should go on the record and say: “I oppose #women's equality.” #WMP2013— Feminist Majority (@FemMajority) October 8, 2013
162 | Ian G. Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:51:09am |
I’ve said this before and I’ve said it again: I hope Obama unilaterally raises the debt ceiling and dares Congress to impeach him. The loons will oblige, the whole farce will go down even worse for the GOP than it did with Bill Clinton, and in 2014, we’ll have a Democratic majority in the House.
I hope Bill Clinton has had Obama’s phone ringing off the hook to suggest this play, and I hope Obama is a sly enough politician to go with it.
163 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:51:36am |
DAILY BANTER STAFF: Inside Republican Party Report Shows Why America is Completely F**ked http://t.co/HweWN7VKql— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) October 8, 2013
164 | GlutenFreeJesus Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:51:40am |
re: #156 HappyWarrior
Hope the GOP is proud of the monster they’ve created. I hope they’re really fucking happy. Because this for the reasons Lidane said better than I can is on them.
Why would they care? They are still getting paid, and their gym is open.
166 | klys Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:52:21am |
And he just pointed out the issues due to gerrymandering. On fire.
167 | Kragar Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:52:23am |
@BryanJFischer @YouTube You really don't get this whole government shutdown thing the GOP has decided on, do you?— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 8, 2013
168 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:52:49am |
Liberals should be grateful for Citizens United, which has led to Republicans spending billions tearing their party apart— Josh Barro (@jbarro) October 8, 2013
169 | Dr Lizardo Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:52:56am |
Yes! He brought up the pressure of gerrymandered districts. Good.
If it were me, I would’ve gone a step further and said, “Everyone knows the only reason the GOP has a majority in the House is because of their gerrymandering of legislative districts.”
170 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:53:13am |
The president’s point about gerrymandering was well made, but it does stick in the craw more than a little, seeing as how heavily the Democrats gerrymandered his (and my own) home state of Illinois.
171 | wrenchwench Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:53:25am |
Lincoln, Roosevelt 1, FDR, Kennedy and now Obama, among best presidents this nation has seen in 237 years, hence #GOP having conniption fits— Quantum Mechanic (@JamesEFinch) October 8, 2013
172 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:53:46am |
re: #153 Lidane
I can’t believe we’ve gotten to the point where we’re facing default for no goddamn reason.
The Republican party is entirely to blame for this. They’ve given in to the economic terrorists in the Tea Party, so all the consequences are on their heads.
You know that really stupid technique for getting your crediters to renegotiate your debt with them? You sign-up with some company, make your payments to them instead of your crediter. They hold the funds in escrow and after a few months then use their legal expertise to cower the crediter into forgiving interest or whatever.
It’s a useful tool when things get out of hand if you use a really, really good negotiator. Otherwise, you can get into a lot of trouble (neighbor lost their house). I have seen it work well tho.
Anyway —that seems to be what they Whackos in Congress thing they are doing. But who the hell are they negotiating with?
173 | celticdragon Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:53:46am |
re: #149 HappyWarrior
I’m starting to think it may be a good time to learn how to teach English abroad.
So instead of getting the Blade Runner dystopic future with the flying cars and cool clothes, we are getting the Road Warrior dystopic future with motorcycle gangs, and Lord Humongous…
174 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:53:49am |
The caliber of questions skyrocket when POTUS skips @chucktodd @jonkarl @edhenryTV . LOL.— LiberalPhenom (@LiberalPhenom) October 8, 2013
175 | calochortus Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:54:10am |
Fascinating financial insight from FR:
To: EBH
Bond default is a red herring. We will not default on our debt so long as tax revenues keep coming in. Until we reach the point of Greece where they are no longer sufficient to service our debt. Which WILL happen eventually if we stay on this path.The only way we default now is if Obama CHOOSES to default.
He is capable of that surely. But I suspect he will abuse the Full Faith and Credit clause to make himself the hero and accrue more power for the Executive Branch.349 posted on Tue Oct 8 11:50:22 2013 by Buckeye McFrog
176 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:54:10am |
re: #170 Dark_Falcon
The president’s point about gerrymandering was well made, but it does stick in the craw more than a little, seeing as how heavily the Democrats gerrymandered his (and my own) home state of Illinois.
And the Republicans wouldn’t do the same in your state if they controlled the legislature? I’m sorry DF but that’s small potatoes to the shit your party pulls on a national stage and you know as well as I do would have pulled in your state if they could.
177 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:54:20am |
re: #154 klys
No, invoking the “full faith and credit” of the US.
Ah!
Lanister’s always pay their debts? LOL
They are treading on some interesting monetary history here. IIRC, England and other countries use their actual land to back their currency, we use the American People. Lot’s of tangents for discussion in that.
178 | Flounder Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:54:29am |
re: #170 Dark_Falcon
In NY, republicans gerrymander to LOSE seats.
179 | Dr Lizardo Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:55:09am |
re: #173 celticdragon
So instead of getting the Blade Runner dystopic future with the flying cars and cool clothes, we are getting the Road Warrior dystopic future with motorcycle gangs, and Lord Humongous…
But who gets to wear the metal hockey mask and be announced as “The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla!”
180 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:55:12am |
re: #176 HappyWarrior
And the Republicans wouldn’t do the same in your state if they controlled the legislature? I’m sorry DF but that’s small potatoes to the shit your party pulls on a national stage and you know as well as I do would have pulled in your state if they could.
Gerrymandering is wrong no matter who does it and I’ve made clear I oppose it regardless of who does it.
181 | lawhawk Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:55:21am |
.@jimgeraghty economic security = national security. Default causes catastrophic economic harm. Refusing to inc. ceiling = hurting security— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 8, 2013
182 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:55:23am |
*HEADDESK*
Reid: If you want us to negotiate, you must first give us everything we want. Sorry @SenatorReid that's not how a negotiation works…— Senator Rand Paul (@SenRandPaul) October 8, 2013
183 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:55:47am |
Sweet, sweet wingnut tears:
President @BarackObama keeps calling #teaparty “extremist.” So constitutional conservatism is “extremist?”— David Brody (@TheBrodyFile) October 8, 2013
185 | celticdragon Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:56:22am |
re: #179 Dr Lizardo
But who gets to wear the metal hockey mask and be announced as “The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla!”
Ted Cruz…who else?
186 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:56:31am |
188 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:56:35am |
re: #180 Dark_Falcon
Gerrymandering is wrong no matter who does it and I’ve made clear I oppose it regardless of who does it.
Fair enough man. I don’t like it either. I dislike attempts to make electoral votes based on how candidates do in certain districts even more though.
189 | Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:57:04am |
re: #180 Dark_Falcon
Gerrymandering is wrong no matter who does it and I’ve made clear I oppose it regardless of who does it.
Germans dampen the gerrymandering effect by only electing half their representatives directly…the other half are divided proportionally based on what share of the votes their party gets in the overall election.
but that would be too f*cking complicated to explain to an electorate that has no clue how their government works, or why it is not currently able to do its job.
190 | Dr Lizardo Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:57:11am |
191 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:57:37am |
re: #164 GlutenFreeJesus
Why would they care? They are still getting paid, and their gym is open.
Is their staff getting paid? Security guards at the Capital Building? Janitors?
Bathroom cleaning staff?
192 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:57:53am |
Hello, this is Peggy! We can raise your debt ceiling!
193 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:58:10am |
re: #191 FemNaziBitch
Is their staff getting paid? Security guards at the Capital Building? Janitors?
Bathroom cleaning staff?
Capitol Police aren’t getting paid as far as I know.
194 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:58:23am |
POTUS continues to be the adult in the room. This is awesome.
195 | Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:58:26am |
re: #191 FemNaziBitch
Is their staff getting paid? Security guards at the Capital Building? Janitors?
Bathroom cleaning staff?
We cannot expect congressmen to attend the same sort of gyms that normal people use, and much less so at their own expense…
196 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:59:26am |
re: #173 celticdragon
So instead of getting the Blade Runner dystopic future with the flying cars and cool clothes, we are getting the Road Warrior dystopic future with motorcycle gangs, and Lord Humongous…
I think the No Flying Cars future has been decided against.
197 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:59:30am |
re: #183 Lidane
Sweet, sweet wingnut tears:
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Yeah we get it TP, only you understand the constitutional blah blah. You don’t want to be called extremist? Stop doing extremist things and spare me the whining about name calling when many of you have likened the president to a dictator. Fucking pricks.
198 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:00:12pm |
The amount of DERP and STUPIDITY that is being tweeted over LNYHBT at this time is enough to choke a gorilla.
199 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:00:15pm |
re: #180 Dark_Falcon
Gerrymandering is wrong no matter who does it and I’ve made clear I oppose it regardless of who does it.
This is the part where political partys are all the same. They all want to win votes.
200 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:01:13pm |
re: #189 Sol Berdinowitz
Germans dampen the gerrymandering effect by only electing half their representatives directly…the other half are divided proportionally based on what share of the votes their party gets in the overall election.
but that would be too f*cking complicated to explain to an electorate that has no clue how their government works, or why it is not currently able to do its job.
It would also require a constitutional amendment here.
201 | lawhawk Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:01:21pm |
re: #183 Lidane
Since when is threatening the economy with a default constitutional? /
202 | Bulworth Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:01:23pm |
re: #183 Lidane
Right. Only Libtards are “extremists”. ////
203 | makeitstop Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:01:50pm |
‘We plan for every contingency.’
He’s got a plan if the nutjobs go over the cliff.
204 | lawhawk Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:01:58pm |
re: #182 Vicious Babushka
.@SenRandPaul .@SenatorReid If you're for abiding by the constitution, pass the debt ceiling, the CR/budget, and quit threatening economy— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 8, 2013
205 | Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:02:07pm |
re: #200 Dark_Falcon
It would also require a constitutional amendment here.
quite clear, and not likely to happen…gerrymandering is stock in trade for state-level politicians.
206 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:02:10pm |
re: #198 Vicious Babushka
The amount of DERP and STUPIDITY that is being tweeted over LNYHBT at this time is enough to choke a gorilla.
Worst. Hashtag. Ever.
207 | Skip Intro Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:02:22pm |
The Great anti-science Senator James Inholfe just had major heart surgery using evil government health benefits. Just last week the Senator had a virtual colonoscopy, again paid for by the evil, death panel filled government.
Why the Senator didn’t just make himself right in the eyes of God instead of relying on pagan, government medicine is a mystery.
208 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:02:31pm |
re: #201 lawhawk
Since when is threatening the economy with a default constitutional? /
Since January 2009.
209 | jaunte Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:02:41pm |
.@WestWingReport President has agreed to GOP budget levels—300B less than what he wanted. That is a compromise. GOP hasn't given a thing.
— Steve Weinstein (@steveweinstein) October 8, 2013
210 | Ian G. Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:02:42pm |
re: #149 HappyWarrior
I’m starting to think it may be a good time to learn how to teach English abroad.
Won’t matter. A default would send shockwaves through the world economy. Maybe North Korea would avoid being hurt, simply by being so isolated from the rest of the planet.
So as much as teaching English in Chile sounds like a cool way to wait out the Tea Party Hurricane, I’m guessing the Chilean economy would tank once the price of minerals like copper craters.
211 | Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:03:08pm |
To Sua Ocean Trench, Samoa pic.twitter.com/b8LhkoFTIq— National Geographic (@NatGeopix) October 8, 2013
212 | GlutenFreeJesus Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:03:29pm |
re: #191 FemNaziBitch
Is their staff getting paid? Security guards at the Capital Building? Janitors?
Bathroom cleaning staff?
Those are “little people”.
214 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:04:08pm |
Watching POTUS declare war on irresponsible members of cong. Boehner must decide whether 2 stick w them or deal w Obama. It's in his court.— Chris Matthews (@hardball_chris) October 8, 2013
215 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:04:14pm |
re: #210 Ian G.
Won’t matter. A default would send shockwaves through the world economy. Maybe North Korea would avoid being hurt, simply by being so isolated from the rest of the planet.
So as much as teaching English in Chile sounds like a cool way to wait out the Tea Party Hurricane, I’m guessing the Chilean economy would tank once the price of minerals like copper craters.
Yeah, I didn’t think so. It sucks. Got my degree and even have a job lined up with DOI but the shutdown’s put that in jeopardy. Sometimes you just wish you could escape the madness but as you point out, these decisions have global consequences- makes it all the more maddening to me.
216 | klys Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:04:29pm |
re: #206 Dark_Falcon
Worst. Hashtag. Ever.
Agreed, but these are the people driving the current political discussion in this country. The Tea Party Republicans - and the threat of primary from the right - are (to put it mildly and intentionally) the elephants in the room.
There needs to be a huge amount of pushback from the “sane” Republicans to counteract this and there isn’t. As long as there’s a sense of “this is my party and I have to go along even if I don’t agree,” we’re not going to see the change and this is the situation we have now.
218 | Dr Lizardo Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:05:12pm |
re: #210 Ian G.
Won’t matter. A default would send shockwaves through the world economy. Maybe North Korea would avoid being hurt, simply by being so isolated from the rest of the planet.
So as much as teaching English in Chile sounds like a cool way to wait out the Tea Party Hurricane, I’m guessing the Chilean economy would tank once the price of minerals like copper craters.
A default would indeed send shockwaves, but some areas would be less affected than others.
Interestingly, it could even have an effect on Czech elections here at the end of this month.
219 | GOPHostage#25698724 Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:05:12pm |
re: #153 Lidane
We have a solution to avoid the default. It’s called the constitution. The debts of the US Shall Not Be Questioned.
220 | ObserverArt Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:05:28pm |
re: #170 Dark_Falcon
The president’s point about gerrymandering was well made, but it does stick in the craw more than a little, seeing as how heavily the Democrats gerrymandered his (and my own) home state of Illinois.
And a few states over Ohio has always been heavily Republican. Now more than ever. One of Boehners problems that no one really addresses. I am sure he has a Tea Party in southern Ohio barking as much as McConnell has in Kentucky.
I do not think the man said it had to be made to favor democrats. All the rest is political game playing and magic fairy dust.
I’ve always felt districts should be set up based on population density factored in with voter rolls with maybe an oversight committee with both party membership that tweaks districts to be as balanced as computer and humanly possible. Make ‘em fair and everyone has to shut up.
221 | wrenchwench Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:05:59pm |
Meanwhile, marching towards Capitol Hill….
222 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:07:01pm |
re: #219 GOPHostage#25698724
We have a solution to avoid the default. It’s called the constitution. The debts of the US Shall Not Be Questioned.
The president did address that and he’s right: Any unilateral solution he could undertake would involve the US paying a much higher interest rate on our bonds, owing to the risk his solution might be ruled unconstitutional.
BBL
223 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:07:10pm |
re: #219 GOPHostage#25698724
We have a solution to avoid the default. It’s called the constitution. The debts of the US Shall Not Be Questioned.
POTUS addressed that earlier. IIRC his point was that invoking the 14th Amendment would have the unintended consequence of all future debts being in legal question as long as his invocation of the 14th Amendment is being litigated in the courts.
224 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:07:17pm |
re: #218 Dr Lizardo
A default would indeed send shockwaves, but some areas would be less affected than others.
Interestingly, it could even have an effect on Czech elections here at the end of this month.
Supply-side shit. Oh and your part of the world would be on my places I wouldn’t mind teaching. Good beer, good food, beautiful women, and fairly inexpensive. Not a bad life for a single 26 year old heh. I’m trying to get back into Western Europe next year though.
225 | jaunte Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:08:05pm |
I wonder how many times PBO is going to have to repeat himself before it gets through their heads.
— Karoli (@Karoli) October 8, 2013
226 | steve_davis Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:08:35pm |
re: #20 HappyWarrior
It’s a good analogy. Bolsheviks claimed to represent “the people” despite being a minority. I hope this doesn’t end the way that one did though.
If it does, I’m going to be one of the White Army fighting a guerilla war against these jackwagons out in the field. Wreck my family with a currency default and I’ll happily burn my way through Teabagistan.
227 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:09:19pm |
re: #225 jaunte
The Republicans keep pushing defund/delay/destroy Obamacare.
Doesn’t matter how much he repeats himself, there are a bunch of goddamn morons in the GOP who just won’t listen.
228 | ObserverArt Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:09:24pm |
re: #192 Vicious Babushka
Hello, this is Peggy! We can raise your debt ceiling!
I hate to think what the reward points might bring us.
229 | wrenchwench Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:09:25pm |
Luis Gutierrez and John Lewis on stage. Lewis: “I will fight with you, I will get arrested with you”#oct8 pic.twitter.com/pUEMfOfsqn— Esther Y. Lee (@estherindc) October 8, 2013
John Lewis knows a thing or two about getting arrested.
230 | darthstar Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:09:25pm |
Shorter #Obama: The Republicans are full of shit…here, let me give you 47 examples I haven't mentioned in the last week that prove it.— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) October 8, 2013
231 | Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:09:44pm |
He’s just hammering the GOP. Pointing out how much damage they’re doing with this childish temper tantrum Tea Party approach.
232 | calochortus Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:10:23pm |
re: #219 GOPHostage#25698724
We have a solution to avoid the default. It’s called the constitution. The debts of the US Shall Not Be Questioned.
Doesn’t say they need to be paid. Strict construction.
/
233 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:10:37pm |
I forgot about the phrase. The Fiscal Cliff …LOL
Obama: 'We already went through this once back in 2011' and then again with the 'fiscal cliff' Watch live http://t.co/DuIUITFbqV— The Hill (@thehill) October 8, 2013
235 | Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:11:01pm |
For those interested in possible solutions….
Five bipartisan fixes for US debt crisis
236 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:11:01pm |
Why isn't Obama using his top terrorist negotiator to deal with wanker extortionists? Where is Dennis Ross when we need him?— Bruce Bartlett (@BruceBartlett) October 8, 2013
237 | Interesting Times Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:11:22pm |
re: #231 Charles Johnson
But if the 14th amendment solution would result in the interest-rate blowback described above, what other solution does he have to avoid default? (operating on assumption that boehner will bend over for the tea party freaks)
239 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:11:35pm |
Steve Dennis from Roll Call wants POTUS to give GOP everything despite them shutting the government down. POTUS looks at him like he's crazy— Nerdy Wonka (@NerdyWonka) October 8, 2013
240 | makeitstop Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:11:57pm |
Man, the network guys must be spitting mad right now. He’s taking questions from every news org but them.
I like the way he’s doing it, though - not making a big show of cutting off access like Bush’s guys used to, just ignoring them.
241 | klys Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:12:28pm |
re: #219 GOPHostage#25698724
We have a solution to avoid the default. It’s called the constitution. The debts of the US Shall Not Be Questioned.
Like others said, he addressed the 14th amendment solution, and pointed out that since there is legal controversy and it would certainly be litigated, there would be questions surrounding the Treasury bills sold that way.
A very valid point that I hadn’t seen mentioned in the discussions about it so far.
242 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:12:47pm |
re: #212 GlutenFreeJesus
Those are “little people”.
How long will the Congress Critters last with dirty stinking bathrooms—overflowing toilets? Dark hallways, unlit because the electric bill is not being paid?
243 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:12:48pm |
@goodnewsgoddess Reagan would be a RINO today. Neither the left nor the wankers understand that.— Bruce Bartlett (@BruceBartlett) October 8, 2013
244 | Justanotherhuman Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:12:50pm |
The GOP is finding out what it’s like to get spanked by the President of the United States.
245 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:13:19pm |
246 | jaunte Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:13:24pm |
re: #242 FemNaziBitch
They haven’t figured out how to wash their gym towels yet.
247 | darthstar Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:13:27pm |
248 | GOPHostage#25698724 Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:13:36pm |
If the 14th is invoked, I am so far unconvinced interest would spike. Am I wrong? Or if interest does go up, hey just pass a budget. More incentive.
249 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:13:50pm |
re: #221 wrenchwench
Meanwhile, marching towards Capitol Hill….
Yes, I saw that the other day.
There was a National Day of (I can’t remember —respect and integrity?)
250 | Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:14:03pm |
re: #200 Dark_Falcon
It would also require a constitutional amendment here.
The blowback from a default would be ferocious. An amendment fundamentally altering the structure of Congress might not be off the table.
252 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:14:32pm |
re: #227 Lidane
The Republicans keep pushing defund/delay/destroy Obamacare.
Doesn’t matter how much he repeats himself, there are a bunch of goddamn morons in the GOP who just won’t listen.
They are on a Mission From G-d.
253 | klys Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:15:14pm |
re: #248 GOPHostage#25698724
If the 14th is invoked, I am so far unconvinced interest would spike. Am I wrong? Or if interest does go up, hey just pass a budget. More incentive.
So you’re cool with buying a house when you’re unsure if the seller actually has the legal right to the title?
That’s the analogy he used.
254 | Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:15:48pm |
What we're really seeing in the shutdown is the culmination of the Tea Party's paranoid, self-destructive, atavistic ideology.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 8, 2013
255 | jaunte Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:16:10pm |
President editing out “you dumbass” on the fly.
256 | Interesting Times Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:16:12pm |
re: #253 klys
So you’re cool with buying a house when you’re unsure if the seller actually has the legal right to the title?
That’s the analogy he used.
Then how can he avoid default, given the 99% possibility of GOP fucknuttery continuing unabated? (I’m at work, can’t watch live video)
257 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:16:13pm |
re: #251 ProTARDISLiberal
Oh here is a fucktard.
We don’t use that word here. (the last 4 letters not the first 4)
258 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:16:45pm |
re: #235 Killgore Trout
For those interested in possible solutions….
Five bipartisan fixes for US debt crisis
Did you read those? Seriously, I’m curious.
A lot of them are perfectly reasonable. Like the one that involves raising taxes. Or the one that involves one of the things the ACA does, which is change payments to hospitals away from a fee-for-service payment.
I just don’t know why the authors think these are bipartisan fixes. Have they not really paid attention to the modern GOP, or what? These are things that I’d expect to be proposed by Obama, and in some cases, have been.
259 | darthstar Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:17:01pm |
re: #235 Killgore Trout
For those interested in possible solutions….
Five bipartisan fixes for US debt crisis
The only long term bipartisan solution is for Democrats and Republicans to vote people like Boehner and the Tea Party out of office.
260 | erik_t Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:17:02pm |
re: #254 Charles Johnson
I’m hoping like hell that this is a culmination. If it gets worse than this, that would be really quite very bad.
261 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:17:23pm |
Because nobody can ever change their position ever ever ever!
“Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children & grandchildren”-Sen.Obama '06 pic.twitter.com/Y0TytQwCwr— Senator Rand Paul (@SenRandPaul) October 8, 2013
262 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:17:51pm |
I see this long press conference as essentially a dare to @SpeakerBoehner: can you spend an hour before reporters defending your position?— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) October 8, 2013
263 | Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:18:14pm |
Speaking of alleged RINOs, Richard Nixon is no doubt smiling down (or perhaps up) to see his 1970s health care proposals finally being enacted.
264 | jaunte Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:18:49pm |
No questions on ObamaCare, possibly because GOP House distracted from its rollout by shutting down government and threatening default.
— Ari Melber (@AriMelber) October 8, 2013
265 | klys Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:19:01pm |
re: #256 Interesting Times
Then how can he avoid default, given the 99% possibility of GOP fucknuttery continuing unabated? (I’m at work, can’t watch live video)
He said he’s remaining hopeful. But he also said they have plans for every contingency and Jack Lew will be doing a formal presentation on that particular plan to the Senate on Thursday.
266 | wrenchwench Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:19:03pm |
re: #249 FemNaziBitch
Yes, I saw that the other day.
There was a National Day of (I can’t remember —respect and integrity?)
The march is on right now for immigration reform.
267 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:19:05pm |
So that's what “presidential vent mode” looks like.— Markos Moulitsas (@markos) October 8, 2013
268 | Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:19:07pm |
re: #261 Vicious Babushka
Because nobody can ever change their position ever ever ever!
Because Obama then filibustered and hung up the entire government over the debt ceiling
269 | calochortus Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:19:13pm |
re: #262 Lidane
I’d watch that. Especially if someone got to ask what the GOP plan actually is.
270 | Ian G. Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:19:45pm |
re: #236 Lidane
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This was the man who was the principal architect of Reaganomics, don’t forget. Now he’s calling the GOP “wankers”.
Oh, to live on a planet where the Republican opposition were Bartlett, David Frum, and Andrew Sullivan, rather than Ted Cruz, Michele Bachmann, and Louie Gohmert.
271 | ObserverArt Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:19:52pm |
re: #244 Justanotherhuman
The GOP is finding out what it’s like to get spanked by the President of the United States.
While I agree. I can also see many things he said that will twist into “Obama Hates America…but He likes His Ownself”
Fox and a whole bunch of others are very good at feeding the ignorant ignorant stuff to be more ignorant about.
272 | GeneJockey Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:19:57pm |
re: #248 GOPHostage#25698724
If the 14th is invoked, I am so far unconvinced interest would spike. Am I wrong? Or if interest does go up, hey just pass a budget. More incentive.
US treasury Bonds are considered the safest investment in the world, because there’s no question the interest will be paid. That’s why the yields are so low. Make that open to question, and the interest baseline moves up for everyone. Raising interest rates is what the Fed does when it wants to slow down economic growth in an overheated economy. We’re not growing enough AS IS.
Make it an open question whether a particular bond will be honored AT ALL, and imagine what you’d have to pay in interest to sell those bonds.
273 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:20:47pm |
Oh look. This shitty idea again:
Pennsylvania Congressman: Make a Balanced Budget Amendment the price of preventing government default http://t.co/Z6s10C9Bec— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) October 8, 2013
274 | darthstar Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:21:20pm |
That was one long presser - let’s see Boehner answer questions for 75 minutes.
275 | Ian G. Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:21:28pm |
re: #272 GeneJockey
Make it an open question whether a particular bond will be honored AT ALL, and imagine what you’d have to pay in interest to sell those bonds.
Just look at Greece. It’s funny to hear wingnuts babbling about how the debt is going to turn us into Greece (it won’t). A debt default, however, surely will.
277 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:04pm |
re: #261 Vicious Babushka
Because nobody can ever change their position ever ever ever!
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Once more the rhetorical fallacy of the absolute and binding.
278 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:10pm |
re: #276 klys
I LOVE that he completely ignored the major networks. ADORE.
And he got better questions for it, too.
279 | jaunte Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:10pm |
Looks like Obama took Chuck Todd at his word when he said actual reporting isn't his job.
— Danielle (@DCPlod) October 8, 2013
280 | ProTARDISLiberal Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:25pm |
re: #273 Lidane
Never mind that TABOR has fucked over Colorado. We’re gonna make this national.
Fortunately, the Democrats here are suing to have TABOR declared un-constitutional.
281 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:28pm |
Axis Of Evil 2013 #UniteBlue pic.twitter.com/gV2U5mvLIL— Tomthunkit (@Tomthunkit) October 7, 2013
282 | ObserverArt Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:38pm |
Now that is a hell of an analogy. Burn down the plant.
They would expect to be fired.
They need to be fired now.
Now. By Republican voters, By all voters. And let them all hear about it in the meantime. Maybe we all need to be a little francis like.
A little. Very little, comparatively.
283 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:45pm |
That awkward moment when the crisis you manufactured means the Obamacare glitches you wildly exaggerated get no coverage.— Danielle (@DCPlod) October 8, 2013
284 | klys Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:50pm |
re: #278 Lidane
And he got better questions for it, too.
He did. There were one or two iffy ones that snuck in but most of them were on point and good.
285 | Interesting Times Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:50pm |
re: #265 klys
He said he’s remaining hopeful. But he also said they have plans for every contingency and Jack Lew will be doing a formal presentation on that particular plan to the Senate on Thursday.
The only plan I can see swaying boehner is if Lloyd Blankfein, Jamie Dimon, and Brian Moynihan show up at his house bearing baseball bats.
286 | lawhawk Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:55pm |
re: #261 Vicious Babushka
Presidents have responsibilities that they don’t have as Senator. As Senator, someone can preen and posture and stake out positions knowing full well that the default will be avoided. Obama could count as well as the Senate whip could - that was passing. Staking out a position on fiscal responsibility is all well and good, but as President he’s got to make sure that Congress avoids default by getting them out of this nonsensical death spiral brought on by target fixation on ACA destruction.
287 | GeneJockey Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:23:05pm |
re: #261 Vicious Babushka
Because nobody can ever change their position ever ever ever!
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We were adding $500B to the national debt in the middle of an economic expansion, because we cut taxes for rich people, and started two wars and passed new entitlements without paying for them.
We should have been in surplus.
288 | makeitstop Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:23:07pm |
re: #271 ObserverArt
While I agree. I can also see many things he said that will twist into “Obama Hates America…but He likes His Ownself”
Fox and a whole bunch of others are very good at feeding the ignorant ignorant stuff to be more ignorant about.
They’ll do that no matter what he says. Fuck ‘em.
289 | Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:23:16pm |
How upset do you think Chuck Todd is right now?— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 8, 2013
291 | Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:24:00pm |
Theodore Roosevelt is another posthumous RINO. The chairman of our county GOP platform committee has actually called TR “the first socialist president.” This is based on TR’s trust-busting and his support for the Pure Food and Drug Act. Yes, folks, our local GOP has no problem with 19th century robber-baronism or “embalmed beef.”
292 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:24:01pm |
Ted Cruz responding to the president with a 21 hour speech would be a good way for Republicans to escape blame for the shutdown.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) October 8, 2013
293 | Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:24:15pm |
Turtle Hopper pic.twitter.com/CXHyI9sZ01— Animal Mashups (@AnimalMashups) October 8, 2013
294 | darthstar Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:24:24pm |
This brings up an interesting question: How long until stores have to stop labeling beef as USDA Choice?
Foods To Avoid When The Government Shuts Down http://t.co/ZCdsMOu9z7— Michelle (@mmwlawtaos) October 8, 2013
295 | GeneJockey Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:24:34pm |
re: #275 Ian G.
Just look at Greece. It’s funny to hear wingnuts babbling about how the debt is going to turn us into Greece (it won’t). A debt default, however, surely will.
Right. You can’t default on debt denominated in a currency you print, unless you fail to raise the debt ceiling.
297 | klys Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:24:48pm |
re: #285 Interesting Times
The only plan I can see swaying boehner is if Lloyd Blankfein, Jamie Dimon, and Brian Moynihan show up at his house bearing baseball bats.
I shouldn’t root for that.
But I might be, just a bit…
298 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:25:30pm |
Eisenhower and Ford are RINOs too as are both Bushes. The only non-RINO is Coolidge and Reagan*
* The idea of Reagan not the actual president.
300 | darthstar Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:26:08pm |
re: #296 darthstar
Did Chucky not get a question?
Oh…he was too busy tweeting to ask a question (54 minutes ago - early into the presser)
And there it is: POTUS himself pledged to sign short term clean bills even if only 6-8 weeks— Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) October 8, 2013
301 | AntonSirius Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:26:14pm |
Q: What’s missing from this picture?
A: Melanin
302 | Interesting Times Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:26:23pm |
re: #299 klys
Nooooooooooooooope. None of the majors did.
Which of course means tonight’s coverage will consist of:
obummer is a big meaniehead who won’t negotiate with the nice republicans waaaah
303 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:26:33pm |
Message to Chuck Todd, Ed Henry, and Jon Karl: Never piss off Jay Carney by shilling for the GOP. He is the Press Secretary. You are not.— Nerdy Wonka (@NerdyWonka) October 8, 2013
304 | ObserverArt Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:27:01pm |
re: #274 darthstar
That was one long presser - let’s see Boehner answer questions for 75 minutes.
How many “no” and “we want to meet” can be repeated in 75 minutes?
305 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:27:23pm |
Here's the thing, guys: a glitchy website three months from a meaningful deadline is less important than catastrophic default NEXT WEEK.— Jesse Taylor (@jesseltaylor) October 8, 2013
306 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:27:28pm |
DERP
This is your economy without government interference #tcot #uniteblue #libertarian #JustSayNoToGovernment pic.twitter.com/mXHJDps76A— Detroit Libertarian (@JustinTippett1) October 8, 2013
THIS is your economy on government #tcot #tlot #teaparty #uniteblue #Libertarian #JustSayNoToGovernment pic.twitter.com/wuMfrqePyI— Detroit Libertarian (@JustinTippett1) October 8, 2013
307 | Skip Intro Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:27:47pm |
re: #235 Killgore Trout
For those interested in possible solutions….
Five bipartisan fixes for US debt crisis
Solutions require two parties who will bargain in good faith. Do you see the problem here?
308 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:28:53pm |
Notice how the “ideal economy without government” is a cartoon.
309 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:29:15pm |
re: #235 Killgore Trout
For those interested in possible solutions….
Five bipartisan fixes for US debt crisis
The Republicans won’t negotiate in good faith. All those solutions are meaningless.
310 | ObserverArt Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:29:30pm |
re: #288 makeitstop
They’ll do that no matter what he says. Fuck ‘em.
Very much agree. Just so sick of doing the twist to everything.
311 | Jolo5309 Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:29:35pm |
re: #137 HappyWarrior
Fuck, he’d probably be better than Palin or Ryan right?
Nailing Palin will be his first act as Veep…
Hey, it gets her into the White House!
312 | wrenchwench Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:29:47pm |
re: #235 Killgore Trout
For those interested in possible solutions….
Five bipartisan fixes for US debt crisis
We don’t have a ‘debt crisis’.
313 | klys Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:30:41pm |
re: #312 wrenchwench
We don’t have a ‘debt crisis’.
And President Obama is just fearmongering about the potential effects of a default.
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314 | Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:30:50pm |
re: #307 Skip Intro
Solutions require two parties who will bargain in good faith. Do you see the problem here?
I think it’s possible that some of those proposals end up being part of the deal that results from this.
315 | Skip Intro Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:31:07pm |
re: #273 Lidane
Oh look. This shitty idea again:
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Does this dickhead think Obama can do that himself? Have any of these super patriots ever read the Constitution?
316 | You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:31:17pm |
re: #286 lawhawk
And I know that if he was the deciding vote on the matter, he would have voted in favor of lifting the ceiling. Obama is not an idiot, and he took that vote because there was political cover and advantage in voting against it. But, here we go talking about nuance and political reality and whatnot.
317 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:31:24pm |
re: #306 Vicious Babushka
Notice how they used a cartoon to show the economy. Even they know their ideas are just a comic book fantasy.
318 | Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:31:59pm |
re: #298 HappyWarrior
Eisenhower and Ford are RINOs too as are both Bushes. The only non-RINO is Coolidge and Reagan*
* The idea of Reagan not the actual president.
You might think Warren Harding would still be a true Republican, given his devotion to whisky, cronyism, and letting oil companies run wild. Unfortunately for his GOP purity, he rates RINO status for supporting drastic federal overreach in the form of an anti-lynching bill (which more conservative elements defeated). Whatever his other faults, Harding was by far the strongest civil rights president between the two Roosevelts, and possibly the strongest between Grant and FDR.
319 | ObserverArt Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:33:12pm |
re: #317 Lidane
Notice how they used a cartoon to show the economy. Even they know their ideas are just a comic book fantasy.
Notice how that illustration is also about ideal America 1959 or so?
Says a lot too.
320 | You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:33:26pm |
re: #306 Vicious Babushka
Somebody email this fuck stick a picture of Somolia and ask him to point out where their flying cars and replicators are at. Detroit’s problems date back a long ways, and it had little to do with government regulation. I should know, because I’m living in Detroit right now.
321 | Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:33:43pm |
re: #308 Vicious Babushka
Notice how the “ideal economy without government” is a cartoon.
And a Randian vision of a future shaped by enlightened plutocrats.
322 | Targetpractice Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:33:50pm |
re: #314 Killgore Trout
I think it’s possible that some of those proposals end up being part of the deal that results from this.
What “deal” that results from this? Killgore, do you believe that the President should set precedent that holding the government hostage to a shutdown or default threat is something to be encouraged in the future? That if the party out of power wishes to get things it can’t get through normal legislative give and take, it just waits til the budget comes due or we need to raise the debt ceiling and then use that as leverage to get a deal more favorable to it?
323 | Backwoods_Sleuth Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:34:08pm |
re: #319 ObserverArt
Notice how that illustration is also about ideal America 1959 or so?
Says a lot too.
Fins on big boat cars were just soooo coool!
/
324 | aagcobb Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:34:13pm |
re: #54 wrenchwench
We grow ‘em smart and precocious here in NM.
Next thing you know that baby will be cooking pure blue meth.
325 | Randall Gross Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:34:15pm |
re: #261 Vicious Babushka
On top of that the vote was symbolic - everyone voting against knew that the Gephardt rule would raise the limit automagically, as the house had previously planned. In the scenario where Obama made that vote there wasn’t a chance of default.
326 | Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:34:17pm |
re: #281 Vicious Babushka
Now that is funny. We might well end up nuking the mullahcrats and little Kim, but they are still looking more sane than the Republicans right now.
327 | BongCrodny Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:34:36pm |
328 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:34:36pm |
Ha ha, Rep McGovern mocks GOP on House floor: “Super Committee II: The Wrath of Cruz”— Markos Moulitsas (@markos) October 8, 2013
329 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:34:39pm |
re: #318 Shiplord Kirel
You might think Warren Harding would still be a true Republican, given his devotion to whisky, cronyism, and letting oil companies run wild. Unfortunately for his GOP purity, he rates RINO status for supporting drastic federal overreach in the form of an anti-lynching bill (which more conservative elements defeated). Whatever his other faults, Harding was by far the strongest civil rights president between the two Roosevelts, and possibly the strongest between Grant and FDR.
Hey now I love whiskey too. But yeah Harding was easily that on civil rights and should be commended for that. It’s why I have Buchanan and Pierce as worse than him.
330 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:35:02pm |
re: #308 Vicious Babushka
Notice how the “ideal economy without government” is a cartoon.
hmmm, who built the roads? negotiated for the raw petroleum imports? provides a forum for contract enforcement for all the trading and acquisition of raw materials to manufacture all that stuff?
331 | You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:35:51pm |
re: #330 FemNaziBitch
hmmm, who built the roads? negotiated for the raw petroleum imports? provides a forum for contract enforcement for all the trading and acquisition of raw materials to manufacture all that stuff?
John Galt, duh!
332 | BongCrodny Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:35:54pm |
re: #320 You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks
Somebody email this fuck stick a picture of Somolia and ask him to point out where their flying cars and replicators are at. Detroit’s problems date back a long ways, and it had little to do with government regulation. I should know, because I’m living in Detroit right now.
re: #327 BongCrodny
Why, it looks just like Somalia!
AAAAAAAUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!
333 | klys Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:36:18pm |
re: #314 Killgore Trout
It’s like “both sides do it” except stretched to be unrecognizable, that this has been a planned play for negotiating on the side of both the Democrats and the Republicans to allow for the creation of some grand deal.
The problem, of course, is that it fails to address the actual reality of the parties involved. True BelieversTM don’t play by the same rulebook as the career politicians.
334 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:36:38pm |
re: #319 ObserverArt
Notice how that illustration is also about ideal America 1959 or so?
Says a lot too.
those people with vaginas and too much melanin knew their place!
Strangely, it’s the people with vaginas and too much melanin who don’t think that is an ideal America.
Funny how that works …
335 | Skip Intro Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:36:56pm |
re: #317 Lidane
Notice how they used a cartoon to show the economy. Even they know their ideas are just a comic book fantasy.
The “no government” cartoon looks like something out of the Disney studios in the 1960s. Why of course we could have highways, monorails, all that good stuff if there just wasn’t any government interference.
All you have to do is look at, uh, hmm, well, somewhere to see it in action.
336 | ObserverArt Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:36:57pm |
re: #330 FemNaziBitch
hmmm, who built the roads? negotiated for the raw petroleum imports? provides a forum for contract enforcement for all the trading and acquisition of raw materials to manufacture all that stuff?
And who made that pretty sky where you can see the buildings off in the distance?
337 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:37:09pm |
.@BarackObama has added over $6 trillion to debt in his presidency. Time to cut up the credit card and balance our budget.— Senator Rand Paul (@SenRandPaul) October 8, 2013
338 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:37:13pm |
re: #314 Killgore Trout
I think it’s possible that some of those proposals end up being part of the deal that results from this.
You’re being even more vague than usual, Killgore.
One of the propositions to save money proposed there is actually one of the components of Obamacare, the law that the GOP is currently powerdiving the country into a mountain in order to defund. How would that be ‘bipartisan’? Another idea is reforming the tax code and raising some taxes, which is obviously something the GOP is against. Some of the other ‘solutions’ aren’t going to fix the debt, they’re just simple ways that the US could be saving money now.
So seriously, did you read the article, and if so, can you explain your logic that these things— which are, the chained CPI which I don’t really understand that well aside all reasonable ideas— would be favored in any way by the GOP?
The article is more like “Bipartisan solutions if we pretend the GOP isn’t what the GOP is.”
339 | Skip Intro Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:37:37pm |
re: #319 ObserverArt
Notice how that illustration is also about ideal America 1959 or so?
Says a lot too.
1959 is the year Rush Limbaugh decided to stay in for the rest of his life.
340 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:38:13pm |
re: #331 You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks
John Galt, duh!
OMG, I just got a fb post from a misinformed friend proposing John Galt for POTUS.
This person has read exactly ONE book by Ayn Rand.
How does one gently suggest they borrow some of her non-fiction from my vast personal library?
341 | Dr Lizardo Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:38:14pm |
re: #335 Skip Intro
The “no government” cartoon looks like something out of the Disney studios in the 1960s. Why of course we could have highways, monorails, all that good stuff if there just wasn’t any government interference.
All you have to do is look at, uh, hmm, well, somewhere to see it in action.
You mean like this?
342 | wrenchwench Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:38:23pm |
re: #319 ObserverArt
Notice how that illustration is also about ideal America 1959 or so?
Says a lot too.
But it’s from Germany.
343 | Skip Intro Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:38:36pm |
re: #337 Vicious Babushka
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You go for it, Rand! But remind me again where spending bills originate?
344 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:38:38pm |
Obama just apologized for GOP like they're his alcoholic in-laws who made toddlers cry.— roadkillrefugee (@rkref) October 8, 2013
345 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:38:45pm |
346 | Randall Gross Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:38:48pm |
The GOP falling back to “balanced budget” shows their desperation and fear — that was last decade’s stance, not Tea Party stance.
347 | AntonSirius Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:38:52pm |
348 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:39:30pm |
349 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:40:57pm |
Yes that's it. RT @daveweigel: Lindsey Graham on how to force Boehner and Obama to talk: “Maybe we put 'em both in Gitmo.”— Tim Murphy (@timothypmurphy) October 8, 2013
350 | ObserverArt Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:41:11pm |
re: #335 Skip Intro
The “no government” cartoon looks like something out of the Disney studios in the 1960s. Why of course we could have highways, monorails, all that good stuff if there just wasn’t any government interference.
All you have to do is look at, uh, hmm, well, somewhere to see it in action.
Yeah…The Disney with the crows and all kinds of other neat 1960 stereotypes.
As FemNazi posted just above you. It was a much cleaner and simpler time when people knew their places. People of color. Gays. You Know…nod nod wink wink.
351 | Skip Intro Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:42:01pm |
re: #336 ObserverArt
And who made that pretty sky where you can see the buildings off in the distance?
You mean who cleaned up all the smog? Must have been the libertarians.
352 | ObserverArt Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:42:21pm |
353 | Targetpractice Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:42:22pm |
re: #337 Vicious Babushka
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Yes, and most of it happened in the first term, you remember, in the midst of the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression?
354 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:42:43pm |
Hey fuckstick, when did Obama VOW TO EXTEND THE SHUTDOWN? Stop making shit up.
Democrats are divided. Many stand by Obama's vow to extend the shutdown but a growing number are voting with Republicans to fund government.— Rep. Steve Stockman (@SteveWorks4You) October 8, 2013
355 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:42:57pm |
356 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:43:02pm |
re: #309 Lidane
The Republicans won’t negotiate in good faith. All those solutions are meaningless.
Tea Partiers believe in a christian version of taqiyha.
As they are on a Mission from G-d.
357 | Targetpractice Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:43:32pm |
re: #354 Vicious Babushka
Hey fuckstick, when did Obama VOW TO EXTEND THE SHUTDOWN? Stop making shit up.
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In what universe is this dipshit living in?
358 | Lidane Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:43:35pm |
Rick Wiles says the gov't shutdown is racist against white people; wants the Obama family evicted http://t.co/SaEZfGND6f— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) October 8, 2013
359 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:44:00pm |
Rich hearing the party of Dick “deficits don’t matter” Cheney crying concern about the balanced budget. We’re not buying it fools.
361 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:44:57pm |
362 | GlutenFreeJesus Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:45:27pm |
re: #356 FemNaziBitch
Tea Partiers believe in a christian version of taqiyha.
As they are on a Mission from G-d.
Derpiyha!
363 | HappyWarrior Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:45:31pm |
re: #360 Dr Lizardo
OFFS.
You knew it was coming. As if only white people are adversely effected by the shutdown and there’s that right wing lie again that Obama is responsible for it.
364 | Ian G. Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:45:48pm |
re: #306 Vicious Babushka
DERP
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The advantages of life in El Salvador over life in Sweden are self-evident.
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365 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:45:54pm |
Trying to negotiate this situation with logic or reason is not going to work.
POTUS needs to come out with it. We are working with ONLY Man’s Laws on Earth. WHACKOs need to come to grips with that.
366 | GeneJockey Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:46:56pm |
re: #306 Vicious Babushka
DERP
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That was the economy predicted during a time of confiscatory tax rates on the highest earners, heavy regulation of commerce and banking, and strong labor.
Then we cut tax rates on the highest earners, deregulated commerce and banking, and busted labor unions.
367 | Ian G. Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:47:08pm |
re: #363 HappyWarrior
You knew it was coming. As if only white people are adversely effected by the shutdown and there’s that right wing lie again that Obama is responsible for it.
Of course. No white people anywhere are on food stamps or disability. Only lazy mooching minorities. And besides, the only bad thing about the shutdown is the closure of National Parks, and the fact that rich, white retirees who vote GOP can’t take the RV to the Grand Canyon right now.
368 | calochortus Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:47:12pm |
re: #320 You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks
Somebody email this fuck stick a picture of Somolia and ask him to point out where their flying cars and replicators are at. Detroit’s problems date back a long ways, and it had little to do with government regulation. I should know, because I’m living in Detroit right now.
IIRC much of the Somali piracy problem (problem for international commerce, that is) came from the fact they didn’t have a government that could enforce the protection of coastal waters for fishermen. Somali fishermen were being put out of business by large commercial ships that realized the waters were available for them to clean out without retribution.
Hmm, desperate men with boats. What could go wrong?
369 | Dr Lizardo Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:47:23pm |
What’s the over/under on the Teahadis pulling a People’s Temple/Jonestown once they realize they’ve totally lost?
370 | aagcobb Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:47:40pm |
re: #180 Dark_Falcon
Gerrymandering is wrong no matter who does it and I’ve made clear I oppose it regardless of who does it.
I think almost everyone except politicians can agree that there should be as few safe congressional districts as possible.
371 | calochortus Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:47:49pm |
re: #364 Ian G.
The advantages of life in El Salvador over life in Sweden are self-evident.
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More sunshine.
372 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:48:35pm |
373 | calochortus Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:49:21pm |
374 | Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:49:48pm |
re: #349 Lidane
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Goober Graham is a laugh a minute. A few months ago, the tone deaf asshole joked that he had dibs on John McCain’s office if McCain failed to return from his self-ordered mission to Syria. He had apparently forgotten that McCain really had in fact failed to return from a war zone once, at least for quite a while.
375 | Dr Lizardo Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:50:16pm |
re: #371 calochortus
More sunshine.
For me, Kampala is the place.
Image: kampala-mkot_1363710c.jpg
Image: 015_Kampala_rising_Uganda_Ciril_Jazbec_Documentary_Photography.jpg
376 | calochortus Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:51:10pm |
re: #375 Dr Lizardo
Nice.
edit: Of course for someone of my skin tone, less sunshine is a feature, not a bug.
377 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:51:48pm |
378 | Dr Lizardo Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:52:20pm |
re: #376 calochortus
Nice.
And generally pretty warm all year round.
I know a few Ugandans as well - I taught English in Kampala for one year. Nice place.
Pretty women as well. :)
379 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:54:04pm |
re: #378 Dr Lizardo
And generally pretty warm all year round.
I know a few Ugandans as well - I taught English in Kampala for one year. Nice place.
Pretty women as well. :)
You know the idea of civil rights is pretty much anathema in Uganda —right?
380 | aagcobb Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:54:21pm |
re: #237 Interesting Times
But if the 14th amendment solution would result in the interest-rate blowback described above, what other solution does he have to avoid default? (operating on assumption that boehner will bend over for the tea party freaks)
The Trillion dollar platinum coin.
381 | calochortus Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:55:00pm |
re: #377 FemNaziBitch
That’s the thing I’ve really noticed lately (no, not racism against whites…) Total lack of direction on wingnut opinion.
Black woman shot in DC? Police are jackbooted thugs. Or, she was asking for it.
Government services? Good, those lazy non-whites will have to quit living on the gravy train. Or, how dare the government inconvenience me/not pay military survivor benefits.
Etc.
382 | Dr Lizardo Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:55:41pm |
re: #379 FemNaziBitch
You know the idea of civil rights is pretty much anathema in Uganda —right?
Unfortunately, yes. I do know.
383 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:56:13pm |
Q&A w/ audience: “Why don't we fire back at military? You don't have good order and discipline if you have four rapes/hour.” #WMP2013 #MSA— Feminist Majority (@FemMajority) October 8, 2013
384 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:56:15pm |
It's not going to be much fun to make jokes on Twitter when the global economy collapses.— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) October 8, 2013
385 | GeneJockey Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:59:13pm |
re: #381 calochortus
That’s the thing I’ve really noticed lately (no, not racism against whites…) Total lack of direction on wingnut opinion.
Black woman shot in DC? Police are jackbooted thugs. Or, she was asking for it.
Government services? Good, those lazy non-whites will have to quit living on the gravy train. Or, how dare the government inconvenience me/not pay military survivor benefits.
Etc.
That’s the problem with a movement defined by being not-something else. They feel a need to make EVERYTHING into a partisan issue, but many things don’t lend themselves.
386 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:59:49pm |
re: #384 Vicious Babushka
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They don’t believe it nearly happened in 2008, why would they believe it it actually happened.
Maybe, if they don’t get their weekly delivery of laundered cash tax-free church donations —???
387 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:00:55pm |
re: #386 FemNaziBitch
They don’t believe it nearly happened in 2008, why would they believe it it actually happened.
Maybe, if they don’t get their weekly delivery of laundered cash —???
They believe that the election of Obama in 2008 was a greater catastrophe.
388 | EmmaAnne Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:01:23pm |
re: #308 Vicious Babushka
Notice how the “ideal economy without government” is a cartoon.
And it includes freeways, overpasses, and high-speed trains.
389 | sagehen Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:01:36pm |
re: #285 Interesting Times
The only plan I can see swaying boehner is if Lloyd Blankfein, Jamie Dimon, and Brian Moynihan show up at his house bearing baseball bats.
Nah… they just have to convince Limbaugh and the rest will fall in line.
390 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:03:11pm |
re: #388 EmmaAnne
And it includes freeways, overpasses, and high-speed trains.
Where are the hoverboards? BY 2015 WERE ALL SUPPOSED TO HAVE HOVERBOARDS!!!!!!
391 | m0nkeyb0y Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:05:19pm |
The US dollar’s status as world reserve currency for both legitimate and illicit economies provides us preeminent soft power across the globe.
We have now enjoyed record low debt service in both public and private spheres for years.
Republicans are risking all this for political grandstanding that plays well in their (largely) safe districts.
They are apparently unacquainted with the treatment and obstacles that a bad credit rating imposes.
This exposes their loud, self-righteous claims of diplomatic realism, fiscal prudence and economic literacy as pure, unadulterated bullshit.
392 | b_sharp Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:06:07pm |
re: #377 FemNaziBitch
More than 30% of welfare recipients are white, which is roughly the same percentage of blacks on welfare.
393 | You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:06:33pm |
re: #340 FemNaziBitch
I like moments like that because it helps me quickly identify people on my newsfeed who need to be unfriended.
394 | b_sharp Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:08:01pm |
re: #388 EmmaAnne
And it includes freeways, overpasses, and high-speed trains.
Troll bridges… sorry, toll bridges, highways, and overpasses will pay for everything.
395 | b_sharp Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:09:12pm |
re: #390 Vicious Babushka
Where are the hoverboards? BY 2015 WERE ALL SUPPOSED TO HAVE HOVERBOARDS!!!!!!
I have one. However, the American government refused to allow them to ship to the US.
396 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:09:14pm |
re: #387 Vicious Babushka
They believe that the election of Obama in 2008 was a greater catastrophe.
Somehow, it was G-d’s retribution for the election. …
397 | FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:10:14pm |
re: #393 You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks
I like moments like that because it helps me quickly identify people on my newsfeed who need to be unfriended.
nah, I keep ‘em all.
I did post that she was welcome to borrow from my library of Rand non-fiction.
398 | piratedan Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:13:21pm |
re: #261 Vicious Babushka
yeah, things were different then with two wars off the books and an open ended NSA carte blanche with the R version of the Patriot Act, but those are minor details
399 | Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:16:57pm |
re: #392 b_sharp
More than 30% of welfare recipients are white, which is roughly the same percentage of blacks on welfare.
Forget Idiocracy, the Idiopocalypse is happening right before our eyes.
400 | You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:21:07pm |
re: #391 m0nkeyb0y
Republicans are risking all this for political grandstanding that plays well in their (largely) safe districts.
They are apparently unacquainted with the treatment and obstacles that a bad credit rating imposes.
How much do you want to beat that the ratio of dead-beats in their districts are higher than the ones in other congressional districts?
401 | piratedan Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:23:58pm |
re: #308 Vicious Babushka
funny that idyllic time was representative of 90% tax rates for the top tax bracket and the income disparity between upper and middle class was radically reduced.
402 | Tigger2 Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:31:59pm |
re: #15 dog philosopher
the rhetorical monkeyshines are getting paleopithecine
I don’t see how anyone with two brain cells to rub together can vote for Republicans.
403 | b_sharp Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:33:53pm |
re: #402 Tigger2
I don’t see how anyone with two brain cells to rub together can vote for Republicans.
More, less or exactly two?
404 | kerFuFFler Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:43:34pm |
re: #274 darthstar
That was one long presser - let’s see Boehner answer questions for 75 minutes.
But still, the wingnuts will cling to their teleprompter “jokes”.
405 | m0nkeyb0y Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:40:04pm |
re: #400 You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks
How much do you want to beat that the ratio of dead-beats in their districts are higher than the ones in other congressional districts?
The question is, do they realize they are increasing it? I am not sure if it’s that they are stupid enough to believe what they are shoveling, or cynical enough to believe their rich donors can perpetuate the Ponzi scheme forever.
Actually, plenty are stupid enough and plenty are cynical enough.
God help us.