1 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:44:22pm

Night Lizards. May The Deity of Your Choice Smile/Snarl Down Upon You.

Weet Dreams.

2 Gus  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:45:25pm

That bus did a doughnut!

3 sagehen  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:55:56pm

Is that woman climbing over everyone at the end Amy Poehler?

4 Kilroy01  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:55:56pm

re: #2 Gus

That bus did a doughnut!

Maybe the driver was on…. “Speed”

5 piratedan  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:59:03pm

more on the FISC court checks regarding warrants granted.

lawfareblog.com

h/t to burnspbesq @ Balloon Juice

Essentially it indicated that what has been going on with the 99%+ of the warrants being approved is a result of 25% of those being kicked back and cited for corrections or missing criteria before being submitted. In order words, of all items brought before the court for evaluation, a quarter of them are kicked or those bringing the request are told that there warrant either lacks merit so don’t bother or that there isn’t enough cause to justify it, so go get more. (at least that is what I’m interpreting is being said here). Another number that was hard to justify until you get a clue on how the court works and it’s process and picking a number that doesn’t accurately portray the whole process and why our media never worked hard enough to get these numbers (and part of the problem is the people that report these numbers never suspected that indicating this would be necessary to justify how the system works, go figure).

6 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:03:32pm
7 freetoken  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:05:52pm

This is America, 2013, Colorado style:

8 Bayfield school candidates debate at forum

BAYFIELD – As a decisive election for Bayfield School District Board of Directors approaches, the eight candidates who are vying for three open seats explained their visions for local education in a wide-ranging forum sponsored by the La Plata County League of Women Voters on Wednesday night in Town Hall.

[…]

Asked how evolution should be taught in schools, the candidates starkly divided along cultural lines.

Spady, who home-schools her children, said though she reads the Bible daily, she felt evolution and creationism should be taught in schools.

Hillyer, Phelps, Cox and Ross agreed.

Ross said, “Evolution is a theory and a belief. It’s never been entirely proven,” and suggested “teaching intelligent design” as an alternative, letting kids ultimately decide what they believe.

Stumpf said he thought evolution, a science-based theory, should be taught in science classes.

Smith likewise rejected creationism in classrooms, saying creationism was a religious explanation for humanity’s emergence, and therefore best taught at home.

Blatnick said, “I can’t believe this is still a question.”

So, in the field of 8 for the school board, 5 are Bible-thumping creationists.

Are we surprised?

8 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:05:59pm

The bus in Harry Potter was cooler!

Although, I liked the Doberman.

9 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:08:00pm

re: #7 freetoken

This is America, 2013, Colorado style:

8 Bayfield school candidates debate at forum

So, in the field of 8 for the school board, 5 are Bible-thumping creationists.

Are we surprised?

Colorado seems to attract the functional Whackos. I don’t know why. Maybe they come for the skiing and stay because of the pot?

10 klys  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:10:46pm

Thinking about some of the discussion in the downstairs thread.

It’s very easy to cast the person who thinks/acts/is different from us as the ‘other’. This is different from a discussion of whether this is justified (in the case of pedophiles) or not (although I challenge some Lizards to consider those who have compulsions and are aware of them - and aware of the harm they would cause and have thus far avoided acting on them - do you send them to Coventry?).

This is a discussion relevant to politics too, though, because it is all too easy to cast the other side as “other” and make claims about thoughts, feelings, motivations, whatever, without remembering them as people. I think we’re all guilty of it from time to time. I know I am.

I also know my grandparents, who I loved dearly and who did a lot when it came to putting their money where their mouths were when it came to charity work and veterans - were racists Tea Partiers. How do you reconcile that? These were people, with facets, both good ones and bad ones. I disagreed with them on politics, on a lot of their views, but they were family. They cared. They truly believed in their vision for the US and while I believe they didn’t see the harm in their vision or fully consider the complexities, it doesn’t make my grandfather any less of a patriot. He served in the military because he believed in the USA, which is more than I’m ever going to be able to say. I don’t think it makes him any more right than my perspective, I don’t think it means he should be proffered more respect than I, but I do think I should respect his commitment to his beliefs and not treat them as a simple thing.

They were people, they were as complex as I. Does that mean I think them right? No. But it does mean that if I wanted to convince them, I needed to treat them with respect for that fact.

Just some ramblings, Lizards.

11 klys  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:11:11pm

re: #6 FemNaziBitch

A Durable Plastic Made From Cellulose And Water

Science is soooo kewl!

Without looking, going just on that, I’m gonna guess hydrogen bonds are important here.

12 klys  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:12:48pm

re: #11 klys

Without looking, going just on that, I’m gonna guess hydrogen bonds are important here.

I win:

“The fibers make a lot of contact with each other. Everywhere that happens, there is an opportunity for a hydrogen bond. That is where the materials science is.”

13 AlexRogan  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:12:53pm

re: #4 Kilroy01

Maybe the driver was on…. “Speed”

YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

14 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:14:52pm
“Slavery is the possession and control of a person in such a way as to significantly deprive that person of his or her individual liberty, with the intent of exploiting that person through their use, management, profit, transfer or disposal. usually this exercise will be achieved through means such as violence or threats of violence, deception and/or coercion.”

Using the above definition from the PDF linked in Curious Lurker’s Pages Post, I have to wonder what the stats would be if Domestic Violence and Rape were included.

15 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:15:08pm

re: #12 klys

I win:

what do you win?

16 Gus  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:15:20pm

‘Night.

17 klys  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:15:56pm

re: #15 FemNaziBitch

what do you win?

I’m going with a gin and tonic.

18 klys  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:16:18pm

re: #15 FemNaziBitch

what do you win?

Also, validation that my chemistry degree is not a total waste of time.

19 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:18:21pm
20 AlexRogan  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:21:03pm

re: #19 goddamnedfrank

HA! LOL @ the douche:

About the only way Lonegan could have came off as more of an asshole is if he punched his wife in the face on camera.

What a loathsome piece of shit.

21 GeneJockey  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:28:06pm

re: #10 klys

Racists aren’t all Merl from Walking Dead. They’re your sweet grandmother; they’re your pal from High School; they’re the guy who invited you into his house, shared his food and drink, gave you a bed, shared his best hunting spot.

It would be easier if they were clearly the ‘Other’, but they’re not, they’re Us.

22 sagehen  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:29:54pm

re: #21 GeneJockey

Racists aren’t all Merl from Walking Dead. They’re your sweet grandmother; they’re your pal from High School; they’re the guy who invited you into his house, shared his food and drink, gave you a bed, shared his best hunting spot.

It would be easier if they were clearly the ‘Other’, but they’re not, they’re Us.

And even Merle was able to get over himself and do the right thing in the end…

23 GeneJockey  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:30:42pm

re: #19 goddamnedfrank

HA! LOL @ the douche:

Jesus! If he’d done that before the election, everything would be different. He’d never have wo…..

Oh, yeah.
///

24 GeneJockey  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:32:16pm

re: #22 sagehen

And even Merle was able to get over himself and do the right thing in the end…

Yep. It’s why I keep watching. That and my older son loves it.

25 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:32:20pm

re: #10 klys

I’ve been contemplating the same a lot lately.

I think there are actual Monsters among us that I feel can legitimately be “otherized” — the John Wayne Gacy’s of the world.

The rest are just human. I can’t understand some of the truly awful stuff people have done. I’m still amazed and truly stunned by the images in Warriors Don’t Cry by Melba Patillo Beals. People who considered themselves Christian actually threw acid in the faces of children who wanted just to go to school. The same thing happens every day to women in certain cultures.

The racism of my parents generation that was subtly and unconsciously instilled in me never seems to leave. I have worked very hard to recognize and change these aspects—and still don’t get it right. I was called on it a few weeks ago by a young man and I was just stunned. I had to tell him he was right and was trying to understand more. I want to run and hide under the covers just thinking about it.

Sexual Perversions are the hardest. Having been raised in the repressive atmosphere of the RC church by parents who never, never, never talked about anything taboo still causes me to cringe away from some crimes. I just don’t want to face reality, but I have to.

I think this is what angers me the most. The reflex to ignore, not-accept or keep secret the very activities that need to be brought into the light. The intellect knows better, but the emotions often prevail. I hate it in others, I hate it in politics and religion and I have to accept that I am just as vunerable to it as anyone else.

Accepting human animals for what they are is sometimes the hardest thing to do. Because it means I have to look at myself and accept that I am also a human animal.

IT would be so much better if pot were legal and I had no responsibilities …

:0

26 klys  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:32:48pm

re: #21 GeneJockey

Racists aren’t all Merl from Walking Dead. They’re your sweet grandmother; they’re your pal from High School; they’re the guy who invited you into his house, shared his food and drink, gave you a bed, shared his best hunting spot.

It would be easier if they were clearly the ‘Other’, but they’re not, they’re Us.

It’s the part where they’re people too that makes it tricky, though: you think about how well you can respond when someone comes at you saying, “YOU’RE WRONG, YOU’RE A HORRIBLE PERSON, WHY DO YOU EVEN THINK THIS WAY!” and most of us are going to dig in (at least initially).

It is, in general, easier to change minds and hearts if we remember and interact with them as people - but the casting as “other” which we tend to do by default makes that hard. Obviously, this isn’t always true - some people have no problem taking criticism and are willing to change right away, some people are really just acting that much like a dick out of purely selfish interest, and some people are just evil - but I’d like to believe that the majority of people are at least somewhat open to discussion and change.

Life is less depressing that way.

27 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:33:21pm

re: #18 klys

Also, validation that my chemistry degree is not a total waste of time.

I don’t think a chemistry degree could EVER be a waste of time. You have an understanding of the world I would love to have. My brain just doesn’t bend that way.

28 klys  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:35:20pm

re: #27 FemNaziBitch

I don’t think a chemistry degree could EVER be a waste of time. You have an understanding of the world I would love to have. My brain just doesn’t bend that way.

Although science is fantastic and wonderful and has engendered all sorts of advances, in the end, I’d rather be remembered as a good person/friend to the people around me than as another Newton (not saying that I am anywhere near that scale, just using an example).

Other people have different goals, and that’s fine. But for me, the impact I have on the people around me is what matters.

(This is why I make a shitty scientist.)

29 freetoken  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:39:35pm

Speaking of religion, the House stenographer who supposedly “broke down” was in several news outlets today, sounding an awful lot like millions of other Americans:

This is what happened ….. Click to read

From FNC CHAD PERGRAM:

Urgent: House Stenographer says Holy Spirit woke her up at night to deliver message to the House

Per Kaplan/Pergram-Capitol Hill

Karrah Kaplan spoke with the husband of House stenographer Dianne Reidy last night. There’s an emailed statement here from Dan Reidy.

First, from Dianne:

“For the past 2 and 1/2 weeks, the Holy Spirit has been waking me up in the middle of the night and preparing me (through my reluctance and doubt) to deliver a message in the House Chamber.
That is what I did last night”

Her husand Dan says “My wife is a sweet, level-headed wonderful woman of God. I am proud of her.”

Chad Pergram
FOX News
Senior Producer for Capitol Hill

And also Long hours made stenographer snap

[…]

Dan Reidy told The Post Thursday that his wife, Dianne, was plagued by sleeplessness since the start of the shutdown Oct. 1.

“Two weeks, waking up in the middle of the night. She’s like, I can’t sleep, God’s got me in the work,” Reidy said, speaking from the living room of the couple’s Maryland home, where they’re raising two twin girls.

God was preparing her for this vote last night, because this was kind of the culmination of everything,” he continued.

“This was the big one. Everybody’s there. And Dianne didn’t know what she was sharing, she didn’t know when — but she just sensed in her spirit.”

Dan Reidy, a former associate pastor of a Christian church in Florida, denied that his 48-year-old wife has mental problems.

He said she doesn’t drink, smoke or take medications — and that he accepted her claim that she was acting as a messenger for God.

Dianne Reidy was present sporadically during the half-hour interview, but spoke only briefly towards the end.

“I’ve never felt better,” she said, “I’m glad that I fulfilled God’s mission for me, absolutely. It lifted a tremendous burden. It was a very hard burden to carry as you can imagine.”

[…]

How is Reidy different than say the Oral Roberts clan (and their ilk like Pat Robertson) or their followers, or what millions of Americans (fundamentalists/Pentecostals) practice or hear from pulpits every Sunday?

Why are we so afraid to say that Reidy didn’t just “breakdown” yesterday, but indeed she’s been delusional for a long time, and that this type of delusion is tolerated in our nation because it is a group delusion shared by millions of people?

30 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:52:25pm

re: #29 freetoken

Why are we so afraid to say that Reidy didn’t just “breakdown” yesterday, but indeed she’s been delusional for a long time, and that this type of delusion is tolerated in our nation because it is a group delusion shared by millions of people?

hmm,

brainwashing + sleep deprivation = NEED FOR IN-HOUSE treatment!

re: #29 freetoken

Yeah, those comment show a level of mass delusion that is scary as shit.

31 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:55:41pm

re: #29 freetoken

I don’t want to be an armchair diagnostician, but the woman’s behavior pre-outburst could be signs of mental illness, maybe a form of schizophrenia. Sleeplessness, voices speaking to her, and an overwhelming sense that she was being compelled to do something outrageous. Also, her saying “Don’t touch me!” when someone grabbed her arm, trying to lead her out of the chamber.

It sounds disturbingly familiar, as someone in my family had similar symptoms and behavior, and who was also convinced that God was speaking directly to her to fulfill some kind of important mission. This outburst may not be her last, and her husband may have a lot more to deal with than “witnessing for God.”

32 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:04:01pm

Ok, this guy qualifies to be “othered”
‘Pure evil’: 10-year-old deaf and mute girl trafficked to UK from Pakistan, kept in cellar and raped by pensioner Ilyas Ashar

Another example came to mind —based on a true story. The movie called the Music Box. Grown woman comes to find that the father she adored was actually a Nazi Criminal. Played to perfection by Jessica Lange.

33 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:05:09pm

re: #31 wheat-dogghazi

I don’t want to be an armchair diagnostician, but the woman’s behavior pre-outburst could be signs of mental illness, maybe a form of schizophrenia. Sleeplessness, voices speaking to her, and an overwhelming sense that she was being compelled to do something outrageous. Also, her saying “Don’t touch me!” when someone grabbed her arm, trying to lead her out of the chamber.

It sounds disturbingly familiar, as someone in my family had similar symptoms and behavior, and who was also convinced that God was speaking directly to her to fulfill some kind of important mission. This outburst may not be her last, and her husband may have a lot more to deal with than “witnessing for God.”

sleep deprivation exacerbates any “issues” one might have —it will also be the cause of new “issues”. For what ever reason, this woman is ill and needs proper diagnosis and treatment. Validation (like those by the commenters on the gretablog only serve to hurt her more.

34 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:09:43pm

re: #33 FemNaziBitch

As long as her behavior falls within acceptable church expectations, it’s not gonna happen. If the Reidys are Pentecostal or Assembly of God types, her dramatic behavior will be considered “spirit-led” and her outbursts “prophetic.”

35 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:11:23pm

EXCELLENT


Youtube Video

36 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:12:56pm

re: #34 wheat-dogghazi

Oh, well, I see now that Mr Reidy describes himself as a Pentecostal Christian, so his wife’s outburst is probably just fine with him.

37 sagehen  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:29:13pm

Sesame Street does “Sons of Anarchy”

Youtube Video

38 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:30:21pm

re: #34 wheat-dogghazi

As long as her behavior falls within acceptable church expectations, it’s not gonna happen. If the Reidys are Pentecostal or Assembly of God types, her dramatic behavior will be considered “spirit-led” and her outbursts “prophetic.”

Perhaps, maybe, if it was a condition of her keeping her job or “returning” to work after a “rest”—that she needed a doctor’s note. Maybe, just maybe she’d get to see a doctor that does not attend the same church.

39 dog philosopher  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:31:56pm

re: #32 FemNaziBitch

Ok, this guy qualifies to be “othered”
‘Pure evil’: 10-year-old deaf and mute girl trafficked to UK from Pakistan, kept in cellar and raped by pensioner Ilyas Ashar

Another example came to mind —based on a true story. The movie called the Music Box. Grown woman comes to find that the father she adored was actually a Nazi Criminal. Played to perfection by Jessica Lange.

did you guys ever see this movie The Reader?

chilling and unique movie about war crimes and very damaged people

40 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:36:55pm

IMHO, it’s really sad that the Pope’s Harley has had more attention that this Pages Post by Curious Lurker.

41 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:38:17pm

nytol

42 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:40:50pm

re: #38 FemNaziBitch

Perhaps, maybe, if it was a condition of her keeping her job or “returning” to work after a “rest”—that she needed a doctor’s note. Maybe, just maybe she’d get to see a doctor that does not attend the same church.

I’m hoping that’s what happens, and the doctor can convince both her and her family that medication will help. At the very least, she needs something to get her to sleep.

43 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:46:52pm
44 piratedan  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:48:19pm

re: #43 bratwurst

ahhhh push the button Frank….

45 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:52:19pm

re: #40 FemNaziBitch

IMHO, it’s really sad that the Pope’s Harley has had more attention that this Pages Post by Curious Lurker.

Hey, in all fairness, when I last checked, my page about the Pope’s bike had only 4 more views that CL’s page about global slavery. Hers is more important, of course.

China is one of the countries with the largest number of enslaved people, after India and before Pakistan. Enslaved people includes forced laborers, child marriages, victims of sexual exploitation, and beggars. The last category may be unfamiliar to Americans, but China has a serious Fagin problem — criminals force children to beg for money, or steal, and bring the proceeds back to the “boss.” Forced marriages are still common in the countryside, especially for children in their middle- to late-20s and for unexpected pregnancies, which often happen among teenagers. (Sex ed in China is worse than it is in the USA.) Rural parents believe, with some justification, that children who are unmarried by age 30 will never find mates, and so pressure their kids into arranged marriages, with the expectation a child will follow. Several of my former students are experiencing such family pressures now, and have wisely chosen to work away from their hometowns for the foreseeable future.

46 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 11:30:37pm

How is Peter Jackson going to stretch out two more Hobbit movies with the remaining material? My guess is that at the beginning of the next one they’re going to make it to Beorn’s house and then Bilbo and Beorn will spend most of the next two hours in existential conversation, doing a shot for shot remake of My Dinner With Andre. Meanhile the Dwarves pump each other in the background. Cut scenes of Gandalf and Galadriel (and Legolas … fuck!) kicking Necromancer ass while Radagast finally realizes he has bird shit all over the side of his head and wanders off to take a bath. Then, after it’s too late for people to ask for their money back - the big finale with the spiders (and Legolas … fuck!) Thorin acts like a dick again because he can’t help it, everyone gets captured by wood elves, the elves get drunk and Bilbo floats everyone down the river in barrels. Legolas … fuck! looks on approvingly. Credits roll.

If it’s still not long enough they’ll probably throw in the Old Man Willow and Barrow Downs scenes that they cut out of FOTR, minus Bombadil of course.

47 piratedan  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 11:39:32pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

How is Peter Jackson going to stretch out two more Hobbit movies with the remaining material? My guess is that at the beginning of the next one they’re going to make it to Beorn’s house and then Bilbo and Beorn will spend most of the next two hours in existential conversation, doing a shot for shot remake of My Dinner With Andre. Meanhile the Dwarves pump each other in the background. Cut scenes of Gandalf and Galadriel (and Legolas … fuck!) kicking Necromancer ass while Radagast finally realizes he has bird shit all over the side of his head and wanders off to take a bath. Then, after it’s too late for people to ask for their money back - the big finale with the spiders (with Legolas … fuck!) Thorin acts like a dick again because he can’t help it, everyone gets captured by wood elves, the elves get drunk and Bilbo floats everyone down the river in barrels. Legolas … fuck! looks on approvingly. Credits roll.

If it’s still not long enough they’ll probably throw in the Old Man Willow and Barrow Downs scenes that they cut out of FOTR, minus Bombadil of course.

pretty much my guess too Frank, the Barrel Rider scene makes too much sense for an end point to pass up. One likely padding scene is the divvying up of the treasure, burying of the fallen dwarves and/or extended fight scenes with Smaug himself.

48 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 11:45:56pm

re: #47 piratedan

pretty much my guess too Frank, the Barrel Rider scene makes too much sense for an end point to pass up. One likely padding scene is the divvying up of the treasure, burying of the fallen dwarves and/or extended fight scenes with Smaug himself.

Oh yeah, the third movie is just going to be one endless special effects spank-fest. Smaug, Wargs, Eagles, Beorn’s tranformation, Gandalf will go Super Saiyan, Arwen, Elrond and Galadriel will show up again for no good goddamned reason. Ryu and Ken will make cameos. People will be having epileptic fits for weeks afterwards.

49 piratedan  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 11:55:37pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

Oh yeah, the third movie is just going to be one endless special effects spank-fest. Smaug, Wargs, Eagles, Beorn’s tranformation, Gandalf will go Super Saiyan, Arwen, Elrond and Galadriel will show up again for no good goddamned reason. Ryu and Ken will make cameos. People will be having epileptic fits for weeks afterwards.

I would expect that we’ll be in heavy backstory mode for the 2nd installment, the original Smaug takeover, then Thorin’s family saga over some hot/cold beverage at Beorn’s place. I figure that will eat some time, then some planning exposition and map time before the trip to the mountain and the 2nd half being tied to spiders and elf halls. Wish that they hadn’t felt the need to stretch the material but with the success of the LOTR, I can see them talking themselves into it and despite the canon (or lack thereof), people WILL go and see it. After all, they had people bitch about the exclusion of Bombadil from the trilogy.

50 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 12:10:53am

re: #49 piratedan

I would expect that we’ll be in heavy backstory mode for the 2nd installment, the original Smaug takeover, then Thorin’s family saga over some hot/cold beverage at Beorn’s place. I figure that will eat some time, then some planning exposition and map time before the trip to the mountain and the 2nd half being tied to spiders and elf halls. Wish that they hadn’t felt the need to stretch the material but with the success of the LOTR, I can see them talking themselves into it and despite the canon (or lack thereof), people WILL go and see it. After all, they had people bitch about the exclusion of Bombadil from the trilogy.

I kind of bitched about taking out Bombadil. Sure he’s awkward thematically, but compared to Radagast with shit on his head Bombadil as written is mature content. Mostly I didn’t like that taking him out meant losing the Barrow Downs, I think they could have found a way to keep that in.

PJ sure loves him some long, drawn out interstitials scenes. And movement. Chases, Arwen vs. Nazgul on horses, wargs vs. jackrabbits, whatever man. Then oh so many wide pans of people walking, we get it, they’re walking, it’s fucking fascinating Peter. Oh, now they’re climbing, that’s different, by all means lets watch several minutes of that before you get back to some actual goddamned storytelling. Nope, they’re running now, holy shit!

I loved Heavenly Creatures when it came out, thought he had so much promise back then. I kind of hate him now.

51 freetoken  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 12:17:15am
52 piratedan  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 12:18:24am

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

I kind of bitched about taking out Bombadil. Sure he’s awkward thematically, but compared to Radagast with shit on his head Bombadil as written is mature content. Mostly I didn’t like that taking him out meant losing the Barrow Downs, I think they could have found a way to keep that in.

PJ sure loves him some long, drawn out interstitials scenes. And movement. Chases, Arwen vs. Nazgul on horses, wargs vs. jackrabbits, whatever man. Then oh so many wide pans of people walking, we get it, they’re walking, it’s fucking fascinating Peter. Oh, now they’re climbing, that’s different, by all means lets watch several minutes of that before you get back to some actual goddamned storytelling.

I loved Heavenly Creatures when it came out, thought he had so much promise back then. I kind of hate him now.

I won’t go into my list of peeves about the trilogy, because I do have some but I also understand the scope and range of what they attempted to do and as such, am grateful to have something to bitch about, if you take my meaning. I get that they were trying to make us feel like we were in an otherworldly place and for the most part accomplished that, The fact that they got made at all is something of a minor miracle considering the source material and how the industry is skewed regarding what they choose to greenlight these days.

53 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 12:31:48am

re: #52 piratedan

I have never seen Clerks 2, but I really ought to just for this rant

54 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 12:34:53am

re: #52 piratedan

I won’t go into my list of peeves about the trilogy, because I do have some but I also understand the scope and range of what they attempted to do and as such, am grateful to have something to bitch about, if you take my meaning. I get that they were trying to make us feel like we were in an otherworldly place and for the most part accomplished that, The fact that they got made at all is something of a minor miracle considering the source material and how the industry is skewed regarding what they choose to greenlight these days.

I don’t know. I think if he wants to fuck around this much he should shoot something like the Memory, Sorrow and Thorn trilogy. I only ready each of those books once, wouldn’t have as much of an opinion if he was screwing that up. Along that line I never saw The Golden Compass movie, heard it bombed because the studio neutered out all the religious references so I guess you have a point, it could be worse, possibly, maybe.

Just can’t believe they thought bird shit head Radagast was a good idea. It’s sad, they had a great actor and good, if sparse, source material then apparently thought, “How can we Jar-Jar this guy up a little?”

55 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 12:36:15am

re: #54 goddamnedfrank

Just can’t believe they thought bird shit head Radagast was a good idea. It’s sad, they had a great actor and good, if sparse, source material then apparently thought, “How can we Jar-Jar this guy up a little?”

Yes, at that point the movie started to resemble the rather lame “Discworld” films.

56 piratedan  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 12:41:13am

re: #54 goddamnedfrank

I don’t know. I think if he wants to fuck around this much he should shoot something like the Memory, Sorrow and Thorn trilogy. I only ready each of those books once, wouldn’t have as much of an opinion if he was screwing that up. Along that line I never saw The Golden Compass movie, heard it bombed because the studio neutered out all the religious references so I guess you have a point, it could be worse, possibly, maybe.

Just can’t believe they thought bird shit head Radagast was a good idea. It’s sad, they had a great actor and good, if sparse, source material then apparently thought, “How can we Jar-Jar this guy up a little?”

agreed, I would have preferred the distant hippie angle instead, where people are simply not interesting or not as interesting as nature, that’s how I took it on my multiple passes through the story

57 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 12:53:59am

Here’s what Games Workshop thought Radagast looked like for their LOTR game, before the Hobbit was made.

Here’s their Hobbit movie inspired version of Radagast. Why would anybody buy this? Hobo Fights 40K?

58 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 1:04:08am

Ann Maskrey, you suck:

HC: Is there a costume design that you’re particularly proud of?

AM: It was lovely doing things for Cate Blanchett, but she could make a plastic bag look good. There are favorite other ones that are coming up on the screen next year. [In the first film,] I’m very fond of Radagast. I’m very, very fond of that one. It’s just everything about it. The actor [Sylvester McCoy] I knew before, had worked on a movie with him before. He’s a very likable man, and the character’s lovely. The costume used every part of the workshop to the fullest. We had embroidery done, we had fabrics made, we had fabrics dyed, the break-down team worked on it, the milliner did a great hat, the boys that made all the footwear did really nice shoes for him. To me, that was one of the most successful ones. And he’s a new character.

HC: You got to start from scratch with that one. What inspired Radagast’s look?

AM: I very much wanted him to be very textured, like some bit of gnarled old tree bark. There was a little bit in “The Hobbit” - in the script and a hint of it in the books — where you just feel that he suddenly appeared from behind a tree. So I wanted him to disappear into the forest and look like he was part of it, very organic looking. Peter Jackson himself wanted a real lopsided quality to him, but that really came about from having like one long sleeve, one that was torn off, odd shoes, an uneven hem, and then his waistcoat is buttoned up all irregularly. But I had such fun really doing the embroidery designs and picking the fabric, because it’s not all brown; there’s yellows and blues in there. There’s a couple of really good textile girls that I worked with, [and they injected] little threads into the felt [of his hat], and it looks like moss is growing in the hat. I suggested something for the collar on the top coat, where you sewed lots of strips of felt side by side, and then butted them up to each other irregularly, and that looks like tree bark. And we had a lot of fun creating textured fabrics. I’m really fond of layering one fabric over another and then sort of peeling some of it away. I just think it’s particularly successful really. I have to still say it’s probably my favorite. It’s all from the forest.

The phrase too clever by half springs to mind.

59 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 1:06:02am

re: #54 goddamnedfrank

I never saw The Golden Compass movie, heard it bombed because the studio neutered out all the religious references

As I understand, GC bombed because they did not edit out enough religious references - it was hyped as being antireligious and that turned off Middle America, which was in the throes of Bush-inspired religiosity when it came out.

Remember how “Alexander” bombed when reviewers called it “too gay”?

And the film biography of Darwin released in 2009 did not even find a US distributor, I guess they all decided it would not be worth the “controversy” over his “disputed theory” of Evolution…

60 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 1:13:46am

re: #59 Sol Berdinowitz

As I understand, GC bombed because they did not edit out enough religious references - it was hyped as being antireligious and that turned off Middle America, which was in the throes of Bush when it came out.

Remember how “Alexander” bombed when everybody called it “too gay”?

And the film biography of Darwin released in 2009 did not even find a US distributor, I guess they all decided it would not be worth the “controversy” over his “disputed theory” of Evolution…

I’m not sure it mattered how much they edited out actually, the religious right has had a hardon about the books for a long time. The fans like the books as they are and were turned off by the edits that were made. Also, editing much of anything out in GC means that by the time they’d have gotten to the final film they’d have had nothing to shoot, so they were painting themselves into a corner from the beginning. I think the fundies were just pissed because the daemons were still called daemons. Total knee jerk.

61 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 1:36:37am

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

Hollywood and religion bring out the very worst in American culture and public discourse.

My wife wanted to watch “Brokeback Mountain”, so i ordered it from Netflix, found it a touching and well-written story.

But what did Middle America ‘splodey head over? All teh Hollywood gey agenda!!!

62 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 1:47:58am

I have high hopes for the Otherland movie project that’s in development. lt’s going to be a rough adaptation, but I’m glad someone’s actually trying.

63 Lidane  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 1:49:10am

Tonight was apparently the night that random strangers decided to overshare their lives with me. First bar I went to for a networking event had me dealing with a heavily intoxicated girl who kept trying to climb me like a tree. I wasn’t offended, but I felt bad for her, so I closed out my bar tab after one drink and kept an eye on her until I left. Then I went out with some friends for a normal night out and some guy insisted on telling me in great detail about his erectile functions.

WTF. Do I just give out a vibe where people feel entitled to overshare with me or what? Bleah. At the very least I ended up with three different invitations to become a blogger here in town and an invite to a Halloween party. It’s not all bad.

64 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 1:51:25am

re: #63 Lidane

First bar I went to for a networking event had me dealing with a heavily intoxicated girl who kept trying to climb me like a tree.

SQUIRREL!!!

65 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 2:16:44am

re: #64 Sol Berdinowitz

SQUIRREL!!!

She was after his nuts??

(wait,, that didn’t sound right!!)

66 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 2:20:51am

I didn’t go for that image because it was just too obvious…

67 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 2:21:23am

re: #66 Sol Berdinowitz

I didn’t go for that image because it was just too obvious…

Throw a hanging curveball,,, i’m going yard!

68 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 2:27:26am

Rex Reed says it’s Wiki’d bad !!!

observer.com

The Fifth Estate Is an Incomprehensible Biopic About Australian Cyberpunk Julian Assange

69 Lidane  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 2:27:34am

re: #65 sattv4u2

She was after his nuts??

(wait,, that didn’t sound right!!)

It shouldn’t sound right. I’m female. Heh.

All in all a very strange night.

70 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 2:35:04am

re: #69 Lidane

It shouldn’t sound right. I’m female. Heh.

All in all a very strange night.

Would have been stranger if you had nuts in your pockets

71 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 2:35:12am

re: #69 Lidane

It shouldn’t sound right. I’m female. Heh.

All in all a very strange night.

Alcohol’s a hell of a drug.

72 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 2:35:46am

re: #71 Decatur Deb

Alcohol’s a hell of a drug.

{hic],,, What??

73 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 2:37:07am

There is a divorcee lady who hangs out at the local Irish pub who does the squirrel-and-tree thing with me whenever she is drunk but totally ignores me when sober.

74 Lidane  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 2:42:25am

re: #71 Decatur Deb

Alcohol’s a hell of a drug.

Oh definitely. It’s why I cut myself off after one drink and made it a mission to keep an eye on her. I would’ve hated if she’d ended up with some douchebag giving her roofies or worse. Getting her into a cab was my good karma for the day.

75 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 2:43:11am

re: #73 Sol Berdinowitz

There is a divorcee lady who hangs out at the local Irish pub who does the squirrel-and-tree thing with me whenever she is drunk but totally ignores me when sober.

Monster from the Id.

Youtube Video

76 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 2:44:04am

re: #75 Decatur Deb

Yes, she is a Forbidden Planet, and I am Walter Pigeon…

77 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 3:32:58am

Not-Forbidden Planet

Image: cassini_ugarkovic_saturn_wideangle.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg

Slate article on the ultimate Saturn photo:

slate.com

(If you have a wall-sized monitor be sure to use the embiggen feature.)

78 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 3:44:51am

No jokes about circling Uranus?

79 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 3:52:55am

re: #14 FemNaziBitch

Using the above definition from the PDF linked in Curious Lurker’s Pages Post, I have to wonder what the stats would be if Domestic Violence and Rape were included.

This is what I was trying to get to the point of in my ramblings about pedophilia. Many of victims of pedophiles are known to the perp, either related or in some other capacity of authority, for instance, such as school or church. The pedophile becomes an expert at “grooming” those which he (most are males) wishes to exploit for his own personal gain. They also choose the most vulnerable within their circle of influence and have been known to choose jobs and activities which put them in positions which present a better range of victims.

Even in prostitution and pornography, to skirt the law, barely legal actors are made to appear very young and child-like (porn is where the shaving of genitalia originated and became popularized, to make women look younger), and we know using children as sex objects can fetch more profit for those in the business. Now that we have the internet, there are plenty of willing people who don’t mind getting themselves out there in the ether, to exploit or be exploited. Even porn makers complain that “amateurs” are ruining it for them, just as online porn downloads ruined the sale of videos. Of course, if you can make something “mainstream” to the point that people accept it as “normal” and are willing to exploit themselves through softer coercion and instant rewards, then where is the victimization and the crime?

There is a lot of “compartmentalization” where the sex and race of both the perp and victims are taken into acct, and the public reaction to criminal activity reflects that as well.

80 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 3:53:56am

re: #78 Sol Berdinowitz

No jokes about circling Uranus?

I only circle dates on my calender

and parking lots

81 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 3:55:12am

re: #77 Decatur Deb

Not-Forbidden Planet

Image: cassini_ugarkovic_saturn_wideangle.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg

Slate article on the ultimate Saturn photo:

slate.com

(If you have a wall-sized monitor be sure to use the embiggen feature.)

Fantastic! I love Saturn! I drive one. : )

82 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 3:57:06am

re: #81 Justanotherhuman

Fantastic! I love Saturn! I drive one. : )

Did it come standard with rings?

83 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 3:58:12am

re: #82 sattv4u2

Did it come standard with rings?

Yeah, but I think they’re burning out, with 277K on them.

84 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:02:58am

re: #83 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, but I think they’re burning out, with 277K on them.

At that age, it may need a valve by-pass!!

85 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:10:03am

re: #84 sattv4u2

At that age, it may need a valve by-pass!!

Yeah, probably a quadruple. : )

86 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:18:16am

You drive a Saturn, I go shopping at one!

87 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:18:23am

re: #85 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, probably a quadruple. : )

Wow. I didn’t know Saturns had four barrel carburetors!!!

88 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:21:45am

from Gawker

Possibly the most predictive map for the 21st Cent:

The U.S. Public School System Is Becoming The Land of The Poor

gawker.com

89 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:23:40am

re: #14 FemNaziBitch

“Slavery is the possession and control of a person in such a way as to significantly deprive that person of his or her individual liberty, with the intent of exploiting that person through their use, management, profit, transfer or disposal. usually this exercise will be achieved through means such as violence or threats of violence, deception and/or coercion.”

That’s Obamacare in a nutshell!

Oh wait, it totally isn’t.

90 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:29:10am

re: #88 Decatur Deb

from Gawker

Possibly the most predictive map for the 21st Cent:

The U.S. Public School System Is Becoming The Land of The Poor

gawker.com

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91 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:29:53am

re: #87 sattv4u2

Wow. I didn’t know Saturns had four barrel carburetors!!!

No, but mine has 4 pistons…

92 sagehen  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:32:01am

re: #90 sattv4u2

503 / Server Unavailable

It says more than half the kids in public school are from poor families. (which is just going to put more pressure on state legislatures to let the schools get even worse, since none of their donors’ kids go there… fuck ‘em if 50 kids to a class and 9 books shared around isn’t enough.)

93 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:32:03am

re: #88 Decatur Deb

from Gawker

Possibly the most predictive map for the 21st Cent:

>The U.S. Public School System Is Becoming The Land of The Poor

gawker.com

Tell us how the Free Market is gonna fix that if we just let the Hnvisible Hand do its job and yank everyone up to level…

94 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:33:59am

re: #91 Justanotherhuman

No, but mine has 4 pistons…

Isiah Thomas, Dennis Rodman, Joe Dumars and Grant Hill?

95 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:34:19am

re: #90 sattv4u2

503 / Server Unavailable

It’s been intermittent.

96 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:34:34am

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

Oh yeah, the third movie is just going to be one endless special effects spank-fest. Smaug, Wargs, Eagles, Beorn’s tranformation, Gandalf will go Super Saiyan, Arwen, Elrond and Galadriel will show up again for no good goddamned reason. Ryu and Ken will make cameos. People will be having epileptic fits for weeks afterwards.

I was not unpleased that Bombadil was dropped from the trilogy, but I kind of missed his girlfriend Goldberry.

97 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:36:59am

re: #96 Vicious Babushka

I was not unpleased that Bombadil was dropped from the trilogy, but I kind of missed his girlfriend Goldberry.

I recently re-read the books and realized I had overlooked a key passage: Tom B slips on the Ring and it has no effect on him at all. How they could leave that out I cannot understand.

98 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:37:00am

re: #93 Sol Berdinowitz

Tell us how the Free Market is gonna fix that if we just let the Hnvisible Hand do its job and yank everyone up to level…

Good schools in Galt’s Gulch—if we can keep the gardener’s kids where they belong.

99 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:40:34am

re: #97 Sol Berdinowitz

I recently re-read the books and realized I had overlooked a key passage: Tom B slips on the Ring and it has no effect on him at all. How they could leave that out I cannot understand.

I clearly remember a conversation at Rivendell in which someone suggests giving the ring to Tom for safekeeping, and Gandalf says “He’ll just forget about it and leave it laying around somewhere and lose it.”

100 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:41:11am

re: #97 Sol Berdinowitz

I recently re-read the books and realized I had overlooked a key passage: Tom B slips on the Ring and it has no effect on him at all. How they could leave that out I cannot understand.

Bombadil was created apart from men, dwarves, elves and hobbits, if I remember my Middle Earth lore correctly. Or he was an elemental. Anyway, the ring has no power on him because he was created before all of the other creatures of Middle Earth.

Or something.

101 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:44:54am

re: #100 wheat-dogghazi

Bombadil was created apart from men, dwarves, elves and hobbits, if I remember my Middle Earth lore correctly. Or he was an elemental. Anyway, the ring has no power on him because he was created before all of the other creatures of Middle Earth.

Or something.

Tolkien first created Bombadil as a standalone, as a vehicle for a bunch of songs and poetry. Then he just stuck him into LOTR as a throwaway character.

102 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:45:31am

re: #93 Sol Berdinowitz

Tell us how the Free Market is gonna fix that if we just let the Hnvisible Hand do its job and yank everyone up to level…

You misunderstand. The free market IS correcting the problem, as intended. It’s separating the haves from the have-nots through the new system of “school choice.” This is a feature, not a bug.

It’s also unofficially reinstating segregation. Take a look at which states have the greatest percentages of poor kids in public schools, and you can see what I mean.

No sarc tag, because it’s true.

103 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:01:50am

LOL. My kids started a family message board using a smartphone app. One of my sons, sadly is a wingnut—somewhat mitigated because he’s in Canada—he started posting right-wing crap to this private family forum, which is just for family news.

His brothers pounded on him KEEP THAT STUFF OUT OF HERE OR WE WILL BAN YOU.

104 Stanley Sea  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:04:46am

re: #103 Vicious Babushka

LOL. My kids started a family message board using a smartphone app. One of my sons, sadly is a wingnut—somewhat mitigated because he’s in Canada—he started posting right-wing crap to this private family forum, which is just for family news.

His brothers pounded on him KEEP THAT STUFF OUT OF HERE OR WE WILL BAN YOU.

In-family flounce.

105 Teukka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:08:35am

I don’t know if this has been paged yet, but if not, feel free to do so (can’t hack it myself at this moment).

An acquaintance of mind found this gem on the PBS Frontline site:

Remember Those Campaign Finance Documents We Found in a Meth House…?

Apparently, a court has ruled against a couple which had documents showing possible violations stolen from them could not be returned to them, but will remain with a Federal grand jury in Montana pending investigating American Tradition Partnership,

Highlights from the ruling:

“”The pleadings evidence the Plaintiffs’ belief that the end justifies the means, a principle that has no safe harbor in the rule of law.”

“When the Complaint was filed, and continuously throughout this litigation, the LeFers advanced their case without factual or legal foundation. Their litigation tactics were not only unreasonable; they reflect a sad view of the democratic process and the rule of law.”

*places bottles for wingnut tear collection in an easily accessible place*

*prepares wahbulance*

106 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:11:23am

re: #105 Teukka

Link kicks out 404 error — not found.

107 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:12:36am

and on that note

the long quiet drive home beckons

108 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:12:46am

MOAR BS from the wingnutz:


DUH! GM is building cars in China to sell to the Chinese and other AP customers. These vehicles will not be brought to the U.S.

Also too: where I work, more customers in China, AP, South America, Europe, means MOAR WURK for our division, which means MOAR JRRBZ right here in the USA.

109 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:14:53am

re: #93 Sol Berdinowitz

Tell us how the Free market is gonna fix that if we just let the invisible hand yank everyone up to level…

What is also sad is that kids in those schools are dropping out at even higher rates in many cases, or at the least, most can’t compete w/those in private school situations who tend to get entrance to “better” colleges because of their own expectations. But where do those expectations come from?

There are plenty of kids with adequate IQs, curiosity, the ability to learn, in lower grades who, the higher in school they move, the less interest is shown in them as they move toward adulthood. I remember how it was for myself, what an excellent student I was—but even with a tested IQ of 142 in HS, was not expected to go to college because it was assumed I would have to work because of my background and I was steered in that direction; even very bright girls were expected to get married right out of HS and wouldn’t need college anyway. My father went as far as the 8th grade, a high attainment for many of his generation. As a single parent with limited resources in a working class neighborhood, my kids were seen differently as well. After all, no one in my family had ever gone to college, except one uncle who got in some jr college business courses under the GI bill. Certainly no 4 yr schools, certainly no liberal arts, nothing beyond HS (if they even got that) except work for everyone else.

And yet, as I pushed my own education, and my sons’, we all wound up as HS dropouts because there was no expectation from anyone outside of ourselves that we would benefit from further education because we were poor—and by poor, I mean having no money for other than absolute basics. I call this class bias, and along with race bias, it must be devastating for children who will never escape their circumstances. The idea that you can “overcome” your background is a joke for most people—we see examples of those who do in some capacity, but they are a very small minority in terms of the tens, hundreds, of millions of students out there over the years. And when the idea of “making it” is an expectation that being a secretary is better than working in a factory—a white collar job as opposed to blue collar, even one paying less—then something is amiss. It’s better now, in some respects, but it’s also more expensive to go to college—with many in debt for years for something that should be universal and free, if we only had the will for it as a nation.

Of course, all this is built into a capitalist system that doesn’t reward effort, but rewards connections and money.

110 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:14:55am

re: #108 Vicious Babushka

Chinese like Buicks, Caddy Escalades and Chevys — though some of the smaller Chevys are rebranded Suzukis, I think.

111 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:17:11am

re: #110 wheat-dogghazi

Chinese like Buicks, Caddy Escalades and Chevys — though some of the smaller Chevys are rebranded Suzukis, I think.

GM is really pushing the luxury vehicles in China.

112 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:24:40am

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

GM is really pushing the luxury vehicles in China.

The Chinese “middle class” is already larger than that in the US.

The govt had to order odd/even driving days in Beijing because there is so much pollution, mostly from coal, but also…

“But Beijing has also become choked with traffic as incomes rise and more residents are able to afford cars. More than a quarter of Beijing’s 20 million people own a car, according to the state-run China Daily newspaper.”

usatoday.com

China expected to add 30M new cars each year.

cnbc.com

“Last year, approximately 76 million vehicles were sold around the world. By the end of this decade, China is expected to sell 2.5 million new vehicles every month. “

113 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:25:04am

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

GM is really pushing the luxury vehicles in China.

I’ve been surprised that Buick Regals are so popular in China.

114 Teukka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:25:50am

re: #106 wheat-dogghazi

Link kicks out 404 error — not found.

Noticed the issue. FIXD. Try now. Thanx. :)

115 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:25:59am

re: #113 wheat-dogghazi

I’ve been surprised that Buick Regals are so popular in China.

They still make those? I had a Regal back in the ‘90’s.

116 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:36:40am

WTF does that even mean?

117 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:39:53am

Assange pours out his butthurt over the Fifth Estate movie in a fan letter to Cumberbatch.

118 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:59:01am

re: #117 Vicious Babushka

Cenedict Bumberbatch

Benebatch Cumberdict.

Bumberict Cenbatch.

Beberbatch Cunedict.

Bunedact Cembebitch.

119 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:59:54am

re: #118 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Engelbert Humberdink.

120 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:05:40am

MOAR GOP BUTTHURT

121 Gus  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:10:52am

Benzedrine Cumberbund

122 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:16:30am

re: #103 Vicious Babushka

Sucks, but I’ve got a friend who can’t possibly believe that the mrs and I both voted for Booker over Lonegan.

He should know better, but he’s down in Monmouth County - not far from the Jersey shore. Doesn’t make the connection between the GOP that blocked Sandy relief aid (thinking that the GOP was right to block b/c of pork that wasn’t there), and the GOP screwing his neighbors - those very folks down the by shore who had to wait because the NFIP was tapped out and couldn’t be accessed until Congress moved to authorize more funds. Congress had to break that out separately, even though the NFIP helps everyone nationally - including those folks in Colorado who were devastated by the recent flooding.

He doesn’t get that the GOP has gone from compassionate conservatism (even if that was in name only, though Bush did expand Medicare Part D, which is a huge improvement) to willingly screwing people most in need.

His latest is that the nation can’t afford it and can’t raise the debt ceiling - showing a fundamental lack of knowledge about what the debt ceiling actually is and how it doesn’t curb spending or the deficit rising.

123 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:17:11am
124 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:18:02am

And the daily derp, courtesy of Jim DeMint at Heritage:

125 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:20:04am

CUT SPENDING BUT NOT MY PORK!!!1!!

126 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:21:25am

Remember what we were talking about last night, re: pedophiles

127 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:29:12am

re: #126 Vicious Babushka

There’s tons of DNA evidence from old cases that hasn’t been tested, and that affects both the cold cases and ongoing open ones. There just isn’t the funding available to try and go through the backlog. This is especially tough with those kits dealing with sexual assaults and rapes,

128 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:31:40am
129 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:33:07am

re: #126 Vicious Babushka

Remember what we were talking about last night, re: pedophiles

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Florida. Lynch “justice”, esp for Blacks and the poor.

130 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:38:49am
131 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:39:50am

Buried ledes and what’s really going on with the GOP.

As Vicious has pointed out with civil rights legislation, there’s a split between Southern politicians and those of the rest of the country.

Back during the civil rights movement, it was the south that was overwhelmingly opposed to the civil rights act and upending the institutionalized discrimination.

Today? It’s the same thing, except it’s now Southern Republicans who are out of step with the rest of the nation.

Race And Religion
The buried story of Wednesday’s government-opening vote in the House was a split between Republican Southerners — and everyone else. Southern Republican whites voted overwhelmingly against the deal — 73 against, 18 in favor. Other Republicans were evenly split (69 in favor, 71 against) and Democrats, of course, unanimously supported the deal. Roughly the same thing happened the last time House Republicans almost took the United States off the default cliff.

The overwhelming Tea Party conservatism in the Southern delegation reflects the region’s exceptionally conservative bent. In a brand-new American Politics Research article, Columbia University’s Steven White ran a series of regressions analyses aimed at separating out the effect of region and religion on Southern political views. White found “very substantial support” for the idea that Southern whites were across-the-board more conservative than whites in the rest of the country. Moreover, whites in the Deep South (Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina) were more reactionary than their also super-conservative peers in the Peripheral South (Arkansas, Florida, North Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia).

Southern political uniqueness appeared to be partly religious — but only partly. Roughly half of America’s evangelicals live in the South, a pattern dating back to the early 1800s. Though early Southerners were largely Anglican, evangelical missionaries began flocking to the region in the late 18th century. They found it fertile ground: historian David Edward Harrell Jr. writes that “by 1830 the ‘Solid South’ was more of a religious than a political reality.” Since then, Southern Oregon University’s Mark Shibley documents, evangelical faith has dominated spiritual and cultural life among Southern whites in a way that it hasn’t anywhere else in the United States.

Politics is local, and the current fight in DC is no different. The South wants to impose its view on the rest of the nation, and the rest of the nation is finally pushing back.

132 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:40:28am

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

Oh yeah, the third movie is just going to be one endless special effects spank-fest. Smaug, Wargs, Eagles, Beorn’s tranformation, Gandalf will go Super Saiyan, Arwen, Elrond and Galadriel will show up again for no good goddamned reason. Ryu and Ken will make cameos. People will be having epileptic fits for weeks afterwards.

I do love your movie related takedowns, Frank. They’re good.

133 Gus  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:41:08am

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

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Wow. Just $1300 for a Level 4 ED room? Mine was level 5. Guess how much.

134 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:41:57am

Heh.


Some guy was trying to make hay of the fact that Markos thought that the Booker margin of victory would be about 20 points. I thought that a larger MOV was more than likely. 12 points is typical for NJ races. And Lonegan still lost in a state that elected Christie.

A loss is still a loss, but that can help explain why people like Dick Morris and Karl Rove still have jobs.

135 Gus  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:42:47am

BTW. Health insurance companies haven’t lowered their rates. That much is true. The lower rates are after tax rebates, etc. Which means the government is subsidizing the health insurance companies. Carry on.

136 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:43:36am

usnews.nbcnews.com

Idiots claimed good intentions. But obviously skipped the route of contacting proper authorities about the issue in favor of direct action - which they just so happened to video themselves doing.

137 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:45:12am

re: #135 Gus

Important to remember that the law was drafted with input from insurance companies, who stood to gain the most from having a new class of insureds.

The insureds wouldn’t have to pay as much b/c of subsidies, but those subsidies get passed through to the insurers, which helps their bottom line.

It’s in their interest to make sure that the exchanges work.

138 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:47:11am

re: #136 Feline Fearless Leader

usnews.nbcnews.com

Idiots claimed good intentions. But obviously skipped the route of contacting proper authorities about the issue in favor of direct action - which they just so happened to video themselves doing.

Claimed good intentions? Really? And then people wonder why the feds shut down the national parks. These kind of idiots would have no problem doing damage to those parks, vandalizing sites, or causing permanent damage to sensitive habitats. There are a whole lot of people who do these kinds of idiotic things.

139 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:47:51am

re: #123 lawhawk

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140 darthstar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:49:23am
141 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:52:52am

re: #140 darthstar

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Yeah, but an Obama pollster would say that, so take it with a teaspoon of salt.

142 darthstar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:57:01am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but an Obama pollster >would say that, so take it with a teaspoon of salt.

Please proceed.

143 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:58:25am

re: #142 darthstar

Please proceed.

Proceed, what? I’m just sniping.

144 darthstar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:58:44am

Anatomy of a Shutdown

House Speaker John Boehner just wanted to sneak out of the White House for a smoke.

But President Barack Obama pulled him aside for a grilling. Obama wanted to know why they were in the second day of a government shutdown that the speaker had repeatedly and publicly pledged to avoid.

“John, what happened?” Obama asked, according to people briefed on the Oct. 2 conversation.

“I got overrun, that’s what happened,” Boehner said.

Boehner had a choice. He chose wrong.

145 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:59:59am
146 darthstar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:01:11am

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Proceed, what? I’m just sniping.

It’s hard to tell with you sometimes in those John Galt pajamas.

147 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:04:36am

I downloaded a bunch of California and Wilmington pictures onto Photobucket last night (before running out of storage there.) Not labeled yet, but can be seen by following the nickname link and looking at the appropriate album.

Have to find time now to label, clip, and otherwise gets things organized there.

Edit: Hmm. Need to fix link since it does a generic Photobucket site rather than going to my albums. :(

Edit 2: Fixed link - see later comments for one that works if you want to browse photos.

148 darthstar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:07:54am

$100,000 return on a $6K investment? Hell, sign me up!

149 Interesting Times  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:08:06am

More proof that religious conservative “pro-lifers” are disgusting, hypocritical, fanatical creeps:

El Salvador: Where women may be jailed for miscarrying

Four days later she was charged with aggravated murder - intentionally murdering the 38-to-42 week foetus - at a court hearing she was too sick to attend. The hospital had reported her to the police for a suspected abortion.

After two emergency operations and three weeks in hospital she was moved to Ilopango women’s prison on the outskirts of the capital San Salvador. Then last month she was sentenced to 10 years in jail, the judge ruling that she should have saved the baby’s life

The study underlines that these women are overwhelmingly poor, unmarried and poorly educated - and they are usually denounced by public hospital staff. Not a single criminal case originated from the private health sector where thousands of abortions are believed to take place annually.

Exactly the future you can expect in America if the “Operation Rescue” fanatics and their pet GOP politicians have their way.

150 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:08:42am

re: #131 lawhawk

Buried ledes and what’s really going on with the GOP.

As Vicious has pointed out with civil rights legislation, there’s a split between Southern politicians and those of the rest of the country.

Back during the civil rights movement, it was the south that was overwhelmingly opposed to the civil rights act and upending the institutionalized discrimination.

Today? It’s the same thing, except it’s now Southern Republicans who are out of step with the rest of the nation.

Politics is local, and the current fight in DC is no different. The South wants to impose its view on the rest of the nation, and the rest of the nation is finally pushing back.

The article missed another dimension of the Southern Evangelical effect. To quote one of our few Black, Democratic, Alabama state representatives:
“I support the Democratic platform, but I could never vote for gay marriage.” We were holding our meeting of tattered rag-tag Democratic rebels in a Black evangelical church. If it had been a Hispanic Dem in the town’s only Catholic church, it would have been abortion.

151 darthstar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:09:52am

Why I said don’t buy Google at $400 because you’ll never make money on it.

152 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:10:08am

re: #136 Feline Fearless Leader

usnews.nbcnews.com

Idiots claimed good intentions. But obviously skipped the route of contacting proper authorities about the issue in favor of direct action - which they just so happened to video themselves doing.

This really is the state of the union these days.

153 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:10:44am

re: #149 Interesting Times

More proof that religious conservative “pro-lifers” are disgusting, hypocritical, fanatical creeps:

El Salvador: Where women may be jailed for miscarrying

Exactly the future you can expect in America if the “Operation Rescue” fanatics and their pet GOP politicians have their way.

Coming soon already to the USA.

154 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:11:54am

re: #152 Justanotherhuman

This really is the state of the union these days.

One almost wants their action to result in the hatch keeping the Jurassic critters locked up being dislodged. Then you get award-winning video of vandalizing Boy Scout leaders becoming dinosaur entrees.
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155 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:12:53am

re: #148 darthstar

$100,000 return on a $6K investment? Hell, sign me up!

I wonder who leaked this to Time. And I wonder if there won’t be more.

Cruz is pissing so many people off, even some in his own party may try to kneecap him before his expected presidential run even starts.

Please proceed, anonymous leakers.

156 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:14:58am

Link test.

(There, that’s better.)

157 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:14:58am

Prudence, after massive butthurt, is back to the same old DERP

158 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:15:46am

MOAR DERP THEN PRUDENCE

159 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:15:52am

re: #157 Vicious Babushka

Prudence, after massive butthurt, is back to the same old DERP

So Obama is Spartacus?
/

160 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:16:05am

re: #157 Vicious Babushka

Prudence, after massive butthurt, is back to the same old DERP

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James Woods is Spartacus.

161 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:16:57am

re: #160 Decatur Deb

James Woods is Spartacus.

James Woods is Hades.

162 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:17:58am

re: #157 Vicious Babushka

Prudence, after massive butthurt, is back to the same old DERP

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Why does anyone care what an actor thinks about politics? That’s not what we pay them for.

163 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:18:01am

re: #161 Vicious Babushka

James Woods is Hades.

Before or after his hair went out?
;)

164 piratedan  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:18:29am

re: #157 Vicious Babushka

does that make James a Koch Bros sock puppet then?

165 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:18:33am

re: #146 darthstar

It’s hard to tell with you sometimes in those John Galt pajamas.

Better those than the Che Guevara boxer shorts I’ve seen pictures of you wearing.

166 darthstar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:18:54am


From the link:

Kelly set Palin up nicely, asking her to comment on President Obama’s suggestion that the government shutdown had hurt American credibility in the world.

In response, Palin went on a free-association diatribe, an almost jazz-like improvisatory rant, riffing on just about everything under the sun. Here’s a sample:

Funny shit. Pipelines, Benghazi, Syria - all in one sentence.

167 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:19:07am

re: #162 GeneJockey

Why does anyone care what an actor thinks about politics? That’s not what we pay them for.

We pay them for advice on reverse mortgages.

168 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:19:15am

re: #164 piratedan

does that make James a Koch Bros sock puppet then?

No, just another crazy actor.

169 darthstar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:20:02am

re: #159 Feline Fearless Leader

So Obama is Spartacus?
/

No, I am Spartacus.

170 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:20:02am

re: #161 Vicious Babushka

No, that’s Willem Dafoe.

abcnews.go.com

171 piratedan  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:20:57am

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

No, just another crazy actor.

true enough, the Bother Brothers have plenty of pols in their orbit already

172 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:20:59am

re: #167 Decatur Deb

We pay them for advice on reverse mortgages.

It’s amazing what people will do for a resonant, well modulated voice.

173 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:21:00am

re: #170 lawhawk

No, that’s Willem Dafoe.

abcnews.go.com

He smokes too much though. And needs to clip his nails as well.
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174 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:21:37am

re: #172 GeneJockey

It’s amazing what people will do for a resonant, well modulated voice.

Hey, if James Earl Jones told you something, would you pay attention to it?

175 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:22:37am

re: #166 darthstar

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From the link:

Funny shit. Pipelines, Benghazi, Syria - all in one sentence.

Silly Megyn, imagining that Sarah Palin can understand and answer a question about a multi-syllable word like ‘credibility’. Might as well have asked a cow moose, from the way Palin started bellowing.

176 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:22:55am

re: #170 lawhawk

No, that’s Willem Dafoe.

abcnews.go.com

Youtube Video

177 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:23:35am

re: #176 Vicious Babushka

Forgot about that Disney role.

178 darthstar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:24:11am

re: #174 Feline Fearless Leader

Hey, if James Earl Jones told you something, would you pay attention to it?

No, but I’d listen to Robert Loggia.

Youtube Video

179 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:25:14am

re: #174 Feline Fearless Leader

Hey, if James Earl Jones told you something, would you pay attention to it?

THAT’S NOT TRUE!!! THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!

180 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:25:41am

feeds.nbcnews.com

When will these people learn to *not* give Colbert a microphone at events.

:)

“I have great respect for Cardinal Dolan, though I do have to say, sir, it is not easy when you are wearing that outfit,” he told the churchman sitting nearby. “In that cape and red sash, you look like a matador who’s really let himself go.”

181 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:25:41am
182 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:26:04am

re: #181 Vicious Babushka

I vote for both.

183 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:27:03am

re: #179 GeneJockey

THAT’S NOT TRUE!!! THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

184 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:27:06am

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

Silly Megyn, imagining that Sarah Palin can understand and answer a question about a multi-syllable word like ‘credibility’. Might as well have asked a cow moose, from the way Palin started bellowing.

Odds are that Megyn could have asked Sarah what her favorite flavor of pie was and gotten the exact same screed back.
/

185 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:27:24am

re: #182 Feline Fearless Leader

I vote for both.

Ditto.

186 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:27:49am

re: #179 GeneJockey

I have altered the deal. Pray I don’t alter it further.

Youtube Video

187 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:27:51am

re: #179 GeneJockey

THAT’S NOT TRUE!!! THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!

heheh. Getting Robot Chicken flashback on their spoof of that exchange.

188 Dr. Matt  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:27:56am

Is the twitter broken for anyone else?

189 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:31:24am
190 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:32:29am

re: #183 Targetpractice

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

Heh. Every so often, I tell my younger son, “Geoff, I am your father.”

He responds, “THAT’S TRUE!! THAT’S POSSIBLE!! YEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!”

Smart alec.

191 piratedan  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:32:33am

re: #186 lawhawk

lawhawk, did you see my link back up at #5, did I summarize that properly or was that a swing and a miss? Suffering from a case of IANAL and don’t want to get that bit wrong

192 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:33:28am

re: #187 Feline Fearless Leader

heheh. Getting Robot Chicken flashback on their spoof of that exchange.

“And the Empire will be defeated by Ewoks!”
“That’s…very unlikely.”

193 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:38:02am

This might explain where the additional Hobbit materials comes from.

Youtube Video

194 b.d.  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:42:50am

re: #181 Vicious Babushka

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Which DudeBro is lying?

Is this a trick question?

195 simoom  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:43:12am

re: #166 darthstar

Thanks for that… it’s amazing.

Palin: “I think that remark is one of his more out of touch remarks that we’ve heard in-in recent days. No, what embolden our enemies and what empowered competitors was his promise to fundamentally transform America from being a solvent, free, exceptional country into something that we’re not going to recognize. Also what has embolden enemies is he, with doubling of our debts since he’s been elected, putting on a path towards bankruptcy and then locking up pipelines and resources that will result in us being more reliant on foreign imports for energy and then, of course, he having left behind, his administration left behind, our brave men in Benghazi to be murdered and then of course there’s Syria where he promised he bomb Syria, because in that civil war Syria was going to bomb Syria and then we never heard another word again about his threat to bomb in foreign civil war. And then of course, most recently Megan, he using our military, those who would fight against our enemies, our military, our vets, shutting down their memorials and holding them hostage, in terms of budget deals, threatening to withhold paychecks for our brave men and women. As for economic, as for economic competitors, corporate tax rate the second highest in the industrialized world, now that empowers out competitors.”

YouTube video of it:
Youtube Video

196 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:44:43am

re: #195 simoom

Thanks for that… it’s amazing.

YouTube video of it:
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GAAAAAHH!!

197 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:47:03am

@owillis is collecting you “Emergency Room” stories to counter the wingnut Mitt Romney meme that “anyone can go to the ER to get treated for free!”

198 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:48:57am
199 geoffm33  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:51:53am

re: #166 darthstar

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From the link:

Funny shit. Pipelines, Benghazi, Syria - all in one sentence.

Jesus f*cking word salad Sarah!

200 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:52:19am

re: #195 simoom

Thanks for that… it’s amazing.

My God, the yammering.

And people sit and watch that and think she makes perfect sense. Unreal.

201 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:53:15am

re: #200 makeitstop

My God, the yammering.

And p[eople sit and watch that and think she makes perfect sense. Unreal.

Buzzword bingo and Gish Gallop all in one package.

202 piratedan  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:53:25am

re: #195 simoom

it’s like she hears the same thing we hear but because her translator is set to wingnut, it comes out in a sounding like a completely different language with the word definitions all set to use the least like dictionary interpretation.

203 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:53:59am

re: #200 makeitstop

My God, the yammering.

And people sit and watch that and think she makes perfect sense. Unreal.

204 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:55:11am
Palin says fiscal conservatives are ‘more energized than ever’

Crank will do that.

205 b.d.  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:55:41am

re: #203 Vicious Babushka

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‘more energized than ever’

Like how ants are more “energized than ever” after you crunch their anthill?

206 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:56:19am

re: #203 Vicious Babushka

Palin says fiscal conservatives are ‘more energized than ever’

She was also pretty sure that Lonegan was gonna beat Booker, too.

She’s the head cheerleader for a losing team.

207 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:57:43am

re: #203 Vicious Babushka

She’s probably right. They’ve turned the echo chamber to 11ty. They’re going to be right back at demanding Obamacare repeal at the next earliest opportunity, which is after the new year. And Ted Cruz will once again reprise his role as Torquemada, because you can’t talk em outta anything, even something so horrible as threatening default of the nation or else.

If we have another shutdown, or default watch, it’s on him - and the rest of the GOP that allowed this guy to make threats that effectively undermine the US economy.

208 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:58:10am

re: #205 b.d.

I thought they’re more energized after you go and use a magnifying glass on ‘em.

209 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:59:16am

re: #204 Internet Tough Guy

Crank will do that.

No, she’s not a meth user; Sarah Palin is just greedy and stupid.

210 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:00:57am

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

No, she’s not a meth user; Sarah Palin is just greedy and stupid.

Right. Her daughters baby daddy’s mother was.

211 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:01:22am

re: #203 Vicious Babushka

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“Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you.”

212 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:02:30am

But bankrupting America with a shutdown & default is Teh Awesome!

213 piratedan  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:06:55am

re: #212 Vicious Babushka

well at least Obama is looking to provide healthcare to thousands, if not millions of Americans and you guys did your thing because of exactly what again?

214 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:08:05am

re: #213 piratedan

well at least Obama is looking to provide healthcare to thousands, if not millions of Americans and you guys did your thing because of exactly what again?

HURR HURR FREEDOM!!!11!!!! HURR HURR CONSTITUTION!!!11!!!! HURR HURR GUNZ!!!!11!!!1111TY

215 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:09:41am

re: #210 Eventual Carrion

Right. Her daughters baby daddy’s mother was.

True, but that is one fault you can’t lay at Sarah Palin’s door.

216 piratedan  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:11:56am

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

True, but that is one fault you can’t lay at Sarah Palin’s door.

well in all honesty Dark, there’s no room left at the door, we’re spilling off of the front porch by now for trying to find an empty place….. other than between her ears mind you.

217 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:12:02am

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

True, but that is one fault you can’t lay at Sarah Palin’s door.

How about her support for ‘Abstinence Only’ Sex Ed. programs, in light of her daughter getting knocked up? Can we lay that at her door, or just point and laugh?

218 Dr. Matt  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:13:39am

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

No, she’s not a meth user; .

Remains to be seen. Has anyone seen her medical records? Why is she hiding them??! Why does she refuse to release her medical records?!!! Why is she paying lawyers to keep them private? What’s in them? We need to know. We need to vet her!

219 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:14:57am

re: #217 GeneJockey

How about her support for ‘Abstinence Only’ Sex Ed. programs, in light of her daughter getting knocked up? Can we lay that at her door, or just point and laugh?

Or her repeated assertion of Democratic corruption, seeing as how she was under ethical scrutiny before she bailed from the governorship?

220 Dr. Matt  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:15:29am

re: #212 Vicious Babushka

Obamacare will “work” (only if you consider bankrupting American “working”).
— Senator Rand Paul (@SenRandPaul) October 18, 2013!

Says the guy whose state just got a $2 billion dam and he didn’t utter a word to reject.

221 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:15:55am

re: #217 GeneJockey

How about her support for ‘Abstinence Only’ Sex Ed. programs, in light of her daughter getting knocked up? Can we lay that at her door, or just point and laugh?

Feel free to do both.

222 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:21:59am

re: #220 Dr. Matt

Says the guy whose state just got a $2 billion dam and he didn’t utter a word to reject.

Rand Paul is not his father; The younger Paul is just fine with getting some pork. Also, that dam is likely to help Mitch McConnell’s reelection chances in 2014 and by not going after it and helping McConnell with the Tea Party in Kentucky Rand Paul could earn himself a serious favor from the Senate Minority Leader. This would be relevant because McConnell controls appointments to several federal commissions that by law need to have a certain number of people from each party on them.

223 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:22:51am

re: #220 Dr. Matt

He got his. So screw you. And screw you too if you need health insurance but don’t have a policy via an employer.

Thing is, I don’t have a problem with funding that project - a multiyear plan to rebuild a dam and lock system badly in need of upgrades that will improve the efficiency of river borne traffic on the Ohio River.

It’s the fact that he stands against all the rest of transportation infrastructure funding when it isn’t going to his state. We are paying for the costs of not maintaining our infrastructure. The WSJ had an article yesterday about how factories and trucking businesses are getting hammered because highways, bridges, and other infrastructure is getting closed to their traffic due to weight limitations. The detours add time and costs that can’t be passed on.

But no one in Congress or at the state level has the willingness to raise the motor fuels taxes that fund those kinds of rebuilding/repair projects.

The fed motor fuel tax hasn’t been raised in 20 years and states are loathe to increase them too. Don’t expect it to be increased anytime soon, so the fact that vehicles are more efficient and infrastructure is nearing the end of its useful life means that we’ve got a perfect storm of infrastructure failing and declining tax revenues.

The costs are of doing nothing are not insignificant. A single bridge detour can cause millions of lost productivity. We’ve got tens of thousands of bridges that have weight limitations because the state and federal transportation departments can’t do the kinds of repairs or replacements needed to make them safe for all vehicles.

224 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:24:56am

For a weird feeling, read chunks of the Assange email to the actor, and think where you’ve seen that tone and praising/damning rhetorical device before.

Hint: Pages is hard.

pastebin.com

225 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:25:13am

re: #223 lawhawk

Which Dam is it?

226 Dr. Matt  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:27:00am

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

Rand Paul is not his father; The younger Paul is just fine with getting some pork.

Of course. You know damned [no pun intended] well though it there was $2 billion set aside for a dam in New York, he would have been the first and loudest to object.

227 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:28:08am

re: #225 ProTARDISLiberal

Which Dam is it?

They’re building a new one, with new locks already built, that will replace two older dam and lock structures on the Ohio River.

228 calochortus  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:31:11am

re: #166 darthstar

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From the link:

Funny shit. Pipelines, Benghazi, Syria - all in one sentence.

And for another point of view, I give you FR:

To: sheikdetailfeather
I’m no grammarian, but did you notice that Sarah’s sentences are always correctly formed?

She was portrayed as some kind of idiot.

But her sentence structures are always correct, with complex clauses perfectly formed.

And no “uhs” nor “you knows” nor “likes.”

No teleprompter, no notes.

Some “idiot,” she!
18 posted on Fri Oct 18 02:40:02 2013 by eCSMaster (“It is not the color of his skin, … it is the blackness that fills his soul”)
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229 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:31:49am

And this dam project has been running late and massively overcost for years.

post-gazette.com

Note date of this article.

230 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:33:50am

re: #227 Feline Fearless Leader

Oh. I thought it was one of dams in Western Kentucky in dire need of attention.

Some of the ones threatened by New Madrid or Wabash Valley.

You get a 7.0, and then what?

I’d much rather see those dams dealt immediately.

231 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:36:43am

re: #230 ProTARDISLiberal

Oh. I thought it was one of dams in Western Kentucky in dire need of attention.

One of the ones threatened by New Madrid or Wabash Valley.

You get a 7.0, and then what?

I’d much rather see those dams dealt immediately.

Yes, but the commercial interests would prefer the Ohio River project be done first and they hold the whip hand in the matter.

232 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:37:02am

re: #225 ProTARDISLiberal

It’s the Olmsted Lock and Dam replacement project being carried out by the Army Corps of Engineeers. Locks 52-53 are being replaced by a new and improved single lock.

Some of the higher cost is the result of their attempt to do a in-the-wet replacement resulted in higher than expected costs than what they had considered to be the more expensive dry replacement (building cofferdams to allow workers to build in the dry).

233 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:38:33am

re: #231 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but the commercial interests would prefer the Ohio River project be done first and they hold the whip hand in the matter.

And note from that Post-Gazette article that the Ohio River project is sucking up limited funds that the Corps of Engineers would otherwise be using over a number of dam repair projects. Monongahela River dams mentioned in the article itself since those are close to Pittsburgh.

234 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:44:07am

You know what I find really, really freaking annoying?

Those iphone commercials that show a bunch of people screaming in different languages because iphones come in different COLORS.

SRSLY? Don’t they sell iphone skins for like $7? What’s the point of this commercial?

235 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:45:02am

re: #234 Vicious Babushka

You know what I find really, really freaking annoying?

Those iphone commercials that show a bunch of people screaming in different languages because iphones come in different COLORS.

SRSLY? Don’t they sell iphone skins for like $7? What’s the point of this commercial?

Getting people to buy iPhones, of course.

236 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:46:13am

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Getting people to buy iPhones, of course.

I get that, but aren’t there any more cool features than COLORS?

237 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:46:20am

re: #234 Vicious Babushka

You know what I find really, really freaking annoying?

Those iphone commercials that show a bunch of people screaming in different languages because iphones come in different COLORS.

SRSLY? Don’t they sell iphone skins for like $7? What’s the point of this commercial?

Apple already cut back on Iphone 5c production. Apparently the marketing of a slightly cheaper model with lots of base casing colors has not flown as well as they thought it would.

238 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:46:53am

LOL HOME SCHOOLING==>

239 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:50:48am

re: #234 Vicious Babushka

You know what I find really, really freaking annoying?

Those iphone commercials that show a bunch of people screaming in different languages because iphones come in different COLORS.

SRSLY? Don’t they sell iphone skins for like $7? What’s the point of this commercial?

Trying to move product that isn’t selling. Since most folks put their own skins on their phones, that it comes in a different color base is rather moot.

Problem is that the pricing for the 5c makes no sense when compared to the 5s, which is only $100 more, but has more features worthwhile.

All that said, I’ll stick with my Razor Maxx.

240 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:51:23am

re: #238 Vicious Babushka

LOL HOME SCHOOLING==>

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And Erick thinks AGW is a hoax.

Winner; 4yo.

Why?
Because FOUR YEARS OLD.

241 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:51:45am

re: #238 Vicious Babushka

LOL HOME SCHOOLING==>

[Embedded content]

4 years old isn’t old enough for home schooling to be the cause.

243 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:54:01am

re: #195 simoom

One time … at band camp …

Palin’s delivery reminds me of the way some teenage girls talk — in an endless stream of words with no pauses, phrases, or tonality. She manages to avoid saying “like” and “you know” and ending sentences with uptones (aka Valley girl speech), but the general style is the same.

244 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:55:26am

Bryan wouldn’t know a Christian thing if Jesus came over and broke his jaw.

245 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:55:26am

re: #243 wheat-dogghazi

She says “you know” a lot.

246 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:56:52am


No, not just the leadership. The Entire GOP. Every last one of them. You don’t get to claim mantle of fiscal responsibility when your shutdown cost $24 billion, or that your ongoing battle to come up with a budget package has cost $700 billion, including the sequester cuts. That’s money the economy will never see again. Poof. Gone.

That’s on the GOP and their single minded determination to wreck Obamacare and then blame Obama for all that goes wrong when the economy isn’t growing fast enough or the jobs aren’t there.

247 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:59:34am

re: #244 Vicious Babushka

Bryan wouldn’t know a Christian thing if Jesus came over and broke his jaw.

You should ask Bryan what his definition of the word “sanctuary” is.
/

249 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:02:07am

re: #228 calochortus

Quoting the Freeper here:

I’m no grammarian, but did you notice that Sarah’s sentences are always correctly formed?

She was portrayed as some kind of idiot.

But her sentence structures are always correct, with complex clauses perfectly formed.

On the contrary, Einstein, she violates almost every known rule of English discourse, let alone public speaking. What grades did you get in high school English? I’m guessing nothing above a C.

250 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:02:20am

re: #247 Feline Fearless Leader

You should ask Bryan what his definition of the word “sanctuary” is.
/

It’s his toilet.

251 b.d.  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:03:12am

re: #244 Vicious Babushka

Bryan wouldn’t know a Christian thing if Jesus came over and broke his jaw.

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Because Jesus was all about following all kinds of unjust laws and stuff like that. Regular bower to political power, that guy.

252 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:03:23am

re: #245 ProTARDISLiberal

I try not to listen to her at all, so I’ve missed her “you knows.”

253 calochortus  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:06:16am

re: #249 wheat-dogghazi

Quoting the Freeper here:

On the contrary, Einstein, she violates almost every known rule of English discourse, let alone public speaking. What grades did you get in high school English? I’m guessing nothing above a C.

Well, he did start out saying he was no grammarian…

254 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:07:05am

re: #244 Vicious Babushka

Bryan wouldn’t know a Christian thing if Jesus came over and broke his jaw.

I could offer some counterexamples. The Underground Railroad. Helping Jews escape the Nazis. Hiding Jews from the Nazis. Offering sanctuary to illegal aliens from Central America.

Anyway, isn’t Fischer the one who rails against laws making abortion and gay marriage legal? With those, he seems perfectly happy to thumb his nose at civil law.

255 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:07:25am

re: #242 Varek Raith

CNN’s Blame-Both-Sides Shutdown Coverage Flopped

Eric Boehlert’s piece is very partisan is its favoring the Democrats. That’s to be expected, though I don’t like to read stuff like that (I still did read it, because its important to not get caught up in an information bubble).

What I did not expect and what really wrecks the piece is that Boehlert uses a title that does not fit the article. To say that a TV network’s coverage ‘flopped’ implies it received poor ratings, but nowhere in the article does Boehlert provide any ratings data for CNN’s coverage of the shutdown.

This Eric Boehlert piece should be considered “preaching to the choir”. It’s not going to make an positive impression on anyone who is not already left of center.

256 aagcobb  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:08:52am

re: #248 Varek Raith

The Tea Party and Ted Cruz Getting Ready for ‘Shutdown: The Sequel

One can only hope that Boehner feels the need to initiate another shutdown during an election year at the behest of his Teahadis. Yes its painful, but apparently infliction of repeated bouts of pain will be necessary to convince the American voters to vote these assholes out of Congress.

257 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:09:00am

Good night, y’all.

258 Mattand  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:11:44am

re: #239 lawhawk

Trying to move product that isn’t selling. Since most folks put their own skins on their phones, that it comes in a different color base is rather moot.

Problem is that the pricing for the 5c makes no sense when compared to the 5s, which is only $100 more, but has more features worthwhile.

All that said, I’ll stick with my Razor Maxx.

I wouldn’t be so quick to write off the 5c just yet. That was the same criticism I applied to the iPod minis back when they debuted. They turned out to be one of the best selling iPods ever.

I agree with what you’re saying. It makes sense, but don’t be surprised if the 5c sells better than people think.

259 calochortus  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:12:18am

BBL

260 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:21:01am
261 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:23:15am
262 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:25:47am

So, does anyone know about the election in Lewiston, Maine?

263 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:29:57am

So many depressing stories, so for contrast this is one win for the good guys.

Phil Kline disbarred

264 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:33:45am

I welcome your comments on this article:

Who knew the Romneys were so fun? Mitt’s youngest reveals his big kid home with an indoor swing and a giant slide between floors

The Romney family is known for its political aspirations, Mormonism, and property portfolio - and now, interior design.

The youngest Romney son Craig and his wife Mary have created a truly kid-friendly space in their large, airy home.

The couple’s four children are kept amply entertained with amazing, outside-the-box design features, including a staircase that’s been transformed into a slide, complete with large cushion for a soft landing.

A couple photos:

Image: article-2465614-18CE024E00000578-286_634x838.jpg

Image: article-2465614-18CE02E300000578-127_634x418.jpg

265 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:35:29am

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.”

266 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:35:37am
267 aagcobb  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:36:27am

re: #263 Political Atheist

So many depressing stories, so for contrast this is one win for the good guys.

Phil Kline disbarred

Technically, he is only suspended for three years, but that is one of the harshest penalties I have ever heard of short of disbarment. Heh, I read the article and his attorney said that this result is “unacceptable” and he’s looking at his options. No options, asshole. Your state supreme court issued a unanimous opinion against you.

268 prairiefire  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:37:52am

re: #263 Political Atheist

So many depressing stories, so for contrast this is one win for the good guys.

Phil Kline disbarred

WHUT!!!! JUSTICE!!

269 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:39:31am

re: #228 calochortus

And for another point of view, I give you FR:

I defy him/her to diagram that sentence.

270 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:40:09am

re: #266 Vicious Babushka

Why don’t they just build an entire separate house for their kids?

Their children are still young and Craig and Mary Romney don’t want to be isolated from them.

The entire article could also be taken as a form of PR message, that message being “The Romney family is child friendly and has good values.” Maybe Craig or one of his brothers is considering a run for office.

271 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:41:22am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

Their children are still young and Craig and Mary Romney don’t want to be isolated from them.

The entire article could also be taken as a form of PR message, that message being “The Romney family is child friendly and has good values.” Maybe Craig or one of his brothers is considering a run for office.

Gah, forgot to include the //

272 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:42:36am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

The entire article could also be taken as a form of PR message, that message being “The Romney family is child friendly has money and has good values lots of money.” Maybe Craig or one of his brothers is considering a run for office.

Most people put the swing outside just so the kid doesn’t hit the walls.

273 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:42:43am

re: #261 Vicious Babushka

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I’ve gotten 4 paragraphs into responses and remembered there’s no point.

274 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:43:01am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

Their children are still young and Craig and Mary Romney don’t want to be isolated from them.

The entire article could also be taken as a form of PR message, that message being “The Romney family is child friendly and has good values.” Maybe Craig or one of his brothers is considering a run for office.

ROMNEY MESSAGE: Our kids have a playground in every room of the house, but we are going to cut funding for public playgrounds for you mooching lazy poors.

275 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:43:20am

re: #263 Political Atheist

So many depressing stories, so for contrast this is one win for the good guys.

Phil Kline disbarred

Let the gnashing of the teeth of a thousand wingnuts begin!

276 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:44:22am

re: #271 Vicious Babushka

Gah, forgot to include the //

Is Craig the one caught giving Obama the Death Stare during the ‘Please Proceed, Governor’ incident?

277 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:44:43am

re: #271 Vicious Babushka

Gah, forgot to include the //

Sorry, sometimes I’m a bit literal.

278 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:45:41am

re: #276 GeneJockey

Is Craig the one caught giving Obama the Death Stare during the ‘Please Proceed, Governor’ incident?

That was Tab, or Tigg, or Trap, or whatever stupid name they gave him.

279 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:50:01am

re: #278 makeitstop

That was Tab, or Tigg, or Trap, or whatever stupid name they gave him.

Like his Dad, eminently forgettable.

280 Mike Lamb  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:50:12am

re: #244 Vicious Babushka

Bryan wouldn’t know a Christian thing if Jesus came over and broke his jaw.

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Except for the fact that if amnesty was granted, there wouldn’t be a violation of the law, now would there?

Also, too, I picture you reading your Twitter feed while wearing a Hazmat suit.

281 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:51:21am

re: #276 GeneJockey

Is Craig the one caught giving Obama the Death Stare during the ‘Please Proceed, Governor’ incident?

Not sure. I think Craig was the one we didn’t hear much about. I think that was Tagg and Josh was the one who said he wanted to punch the president after the debate. Anyhow, as much as I dislike Romney, I’m glad he’s no longer burdened with an obsessive run for the presidency. Enjoy grandfatherhood and maybe he’ll learn some compassion for the rest of us too.

282 blueraven  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:51:29am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

Their children are still young and Craig and Mary Romney don’t want to be isolated from them.

The entire article could also be taken as a form of PR message, that message being “The Romney family is child friendly and has good values.” Maybe Craig or one of his brothers is considering a run for office.

Oh sure, they love their children and give them everything their little hearts desire. But poor kids? Not so much. They are the takers, the 47 %, the ones they don’t need to be concerned with.

*spit

283 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:53:12am

re: #282 blueraven

Oh sure, they love their children and give them everything their little hearts desire. But poor kids? Not so much. They are the takers, the 47 %, the ones they don’t need to be concerned with.

*spit

Yeah, it would be nice if Mitt actually showed some empathy for the downtrotten. His and his wife’s attitude during the campaign only re-enforced their image as out of touch elitists. It’s nice they love their family but I cared more about Mitt’s concern for families like mine if he wanted to run the country and he showed little of that by being a pandering dickhead.

284 EPR-radar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:55:02am

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

Eric Boehlert’s piece is very partisan is its favoring the Democrats. That’s to be expected, though I don’t like to read stuff like that (I still did read it, because its important to not get caught up in an information bubble).

What I did not expect and what really wrecks the piece is that Boehlert uses a title that does not fit the article. To say that a TV network’s coverage ‘flopped’ implies it received poor ratings, but nowhere in the article does Boehlert provide any ratings data for CNN’s coverage of the shutdown.

This Eric Boehlert piece should be considered “preaching to the choir”. It’s not going to make an positive impression on anyone who is not already left of center.

The main points of the article were:

1) The shutdown/debt ceiling circus was entirely the fault of the Republicans.

2) CNN’s reporting had too much MBF.

Criticizing the title isn’t much of a rebuttal at all —- the main points are not thereby addressed, and “flopped” does have other meanings than ‘commercial failure’.

(edited to add this question: Is it points 1 and 2 above that make the article partisan? If so, your position is pretty much that reality has a partisan bias against Republicans)

285 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:57:50am

re: #283 HappyWarrior

Yeah, it would be nice if Mitt actually showed some empathy for the downtrotten. His and his wife’s attitude during the campaign only re-enforced their image as out of touch elitists. It’s nice they love their family but I cared more about Mitt’s concern for families like mine if he wanted to run the country and he showed little of that by being a pandering dickhead.

If there’s on characteristic I’ve noted in Conservatives, it’s inability to comprehend anyone’s life being different from their own. Hence Mitt’s “borrow money from your parents”, as if most parents aren’t trying to make sure they have enough saved so they can eat when they can no longer work, or have just enough money to live on (if they’re retired).

286 EPR-radar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:57:57am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

Their children are still young and Craig and Mary Romney don’t want to be isolated from them.

The entire article could also be taken as a form of PR message, that message being “The Romney family is child friendly and has good values.” Maybe Craig or one of his brothers is considering a run for office.

Romney has a well-earned Uncle Scrooge McDuck problem from the 2012 campaign, and from comments since then (especially from Ann).

My recommendation for Romney is to seek media obscurity for the next 5-10 years.

287 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:58:39am

Writing up a story on the election in Lewiston, Maine

288 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 10:01:13am

re: #285 GeneJockey

If there’s on characteristic I’ve noted in Conservatives, it’s inability to comprehend anyone’s life being different from their own. Hence Mitt’s “borrow money from your parents”, as if most parents aren’t trying to make sure they have enough saved so they can eat when they can no longer work, or have just enough money to live on (if they’re retired).

This is a good observation and I remember Mitt saying that. I believe what he said exactly was “borrow money from your parents and start a business.” I believe he cited the Jimmy Johns sandwiches guy whom I believe already came from a well to do family and the fact of the matter is not all of us have business acumen or better yet not all of us want to be businessmen and women.

289 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 10:04:03am

re: #281 HappyWarrior

Not sure. I think Craig was the one we didn’t hear much about. I think that was Tagg and Josh was the one who said he wanted to punch the president after the debate. Anyhow, as much as I dislike Romney, I’m glad he’s no longer burdened with an obsessive run for the presidency. Enjoy grandfatherhood and maybe he’ll learn some compassion for the rest of us too.

Well, according to the article Craig’s wife Mary was pregnant with twins beginning in the late spring of 2012. That likely was a factor in Craig not campaigning for his father during the general election. Dealing with two active young boys is a challenge, and he likely needed to take the weight of that challenge off his wife. Which is the proper thing for a good husband and father to do.

290 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 10:05:29am

re: #284 EPR-radar

The main points of the article were:

1) The shutdown/debt ceiling circus was entirely the fault of the Republicans.

2) CNN’s reporting had too much MBF.

Criticizing the title isn’t much of a rebuttal at all —- the main points are not thereby addressed, and “flopped” does have other meanings than ‘commercial failure’.

It does have other meanings, but when one thinks of TV the meaning by far most likely to come to mind is “bad ratings”.

291 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 10:06:27am

re: #286 EPR-radar

Romney has a well-earned Uncle Scrooge McDuck problem from the 2012 campaign, and from comments since then (especially from Ann).

My recommendation for Romney is to seek media obscurity for the next 5-10 years.

I really think Ann whom they said would humanize Mitt ended up making Mitt look worse. Maybe sometimes being manufactured helps because if what we saw was genuine Ann Romney, I’m glad she’s not our first lady. She came and continues to come off as a woman who saw the position of First Lady and her husband’s possible position of President of the US as some kind of birthright. I’ve got no problem with the Romney’s being wealthier beyond my wildest dreams but it would have been nice if they had even tried to empathize with those who weren’t in their crowd. I still remember Mitt saying “he was unemployed too” wanting us to ignore that he was making nice money on speeches or that he had quite a bit of net-worth or that he could easily have a job if he hadn’t been focused on running for president since 2007.

292 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 10:09:01am

re: #288 HappyWarrior

This is a good observation and I remember Mitt saying that. I believe what he said exactly was “borrow money from your parents and start a business.” I believe he cited the Jimmy Johns sandwiches guy whom I believe already came from a well to do family and the fact of the matter is not all of us have business acumen or better yet not all of us want to be businessmen and women.

A lot of Righties believe that the only people who really matter are business owners. They’re ‘The Job Creators’, they’re the ones who pay all the taxes, they give their employees wages and healthcare out of some kind of benevolence, and profits are their natural reward. They see the investor class as the ones who create innovation, not the guys who actually invent shit, or make crazy ideas practical, or build those innovative products. Those people are just doing their jobs. Their pay is enough reward. And, if they deserved more The Free Market would have rewarded them!

This is why they often want things like returning to only allowing landowners to vote - everyone else is just a parasite on the system.

It’s not clear to me how they think it’s supposed to work, without workers being paid enough to buy stuff, for example.

293 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 10:09:32am

My nomination for comment/quote of the week at least…

re: #1 prairiefire

I am luxuriating a bubble bath of lady righteousness.

294 EPR-radar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 10:12:48am

re: #290 Dark_Falcon

It does have other meanings, but when one thinks of TV the meaning by far most likely to come to mind is “bad ratings”.

When one is speaking of TV journalism, a ‘flop’ can also be regarded as a failure to provide anything resembling journalism.

Admittedly, if TV news is viewed only as entertainment, then flop = bad ratings.

295 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 10:12:55am

BTW: I posted that Romney story knowing it would attract some snark, and in fact I welcomed the snark for its humor.

296 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 10:13:02am

re: #292 GeneJockey

A lot of Righties believe that the only people who really matter are business owners. They’re ‘The Job Creators’, they’re the ones who pay all the taxes, they give their employees wages and healthcare out of some kind of benevolence, and profits are their natural reward. They see the investor class as the ones who create innovation, not the guys who actually invent shit, or make crazy ideas practical, or build those innovative products. Those people are just doing their jobs. Their pay is enough reward. And, if they deserved more The Free Market would have rewarded them!

This is why they often want things like returning to only allowing landowners to vote - everyone else is just a parasite on the system.

It’s not clear to me how they think it’s supposed to work, without workers being paid enough to buy stuff, for example.

Right. It’s a pretty messed up and I’ll call it what it is a reactionary mindset. If this mindset had been around during the founding of the country, we would have had a monarch and had an official aristocracy. I really do think your right that their biggest error is not thinking in other people’s shoes. I think a lot of people as a whole are guilty of that. My left leaning father conceded he’d understand more about the name Redskins being found offensive if he were Native American for example.

297 prairiefire  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 10:18:45am

re: #293 Political Atheist

Thank you! I can’t believe this guy is finally going to have to pay some dues.
Bad karma to steal ladies’ medical records.


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