Pat Robertson: Young Earth Creationism is a “Joke”

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Pat does disagree with evolution “as it is currently presented” (whatever that means), but at least he acknowledges the idiocy of Young Earth Creationism. So there’s a teensy weensy bit of hope.

“Let’s face it, there was a bishop [Ussher] who added up the dates listed in Genesis and he came up with the world had been around for 6,000 years,” Robertson said. “There ain’t no way that’s possible. To say that it all came about in 6,000 years is just nonsense and I think it’s time we come off of that stuff and say this isn’t possible.”

He continued: “We’ve got to be realistic that the dating of Bishop Ussher just doesn’t comport with anything that is found in science and you can’t just totally deny the geological formations that are out there.”

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303 comments
1 Snarknado!  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:08:05am

Well, it’s a start.

2 Dr. Matt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:21:07am

This begs the question: is Pat off his meds or did they up their dosage?

3 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:22:02am

Our modern day Thomas Aquinas.
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4 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:22:49am

re: #1 Snarknado!

Well, it’s a start.

A drop in the bucket.

5 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:23:29am

I think he doesn’t want to agree with evolution, but also is heeding Aquinas and realizes that sounding off about it like an idiot is not going to work as a way to insinuate fundamentalist Christian indoctrination into public schools.

6 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:24:45am

re: #5 Feline Fearless Leader

I think he doesn’t want to agree with evolution, but also is heeding Aquinas and realizes that sounding off about it like an idiot is not going to work as a way to insinuate fundamentalist Christian indoctrination into public schools.

Hasn’t stopped them yet.

7 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:25:33am

re: #2 Dr. Matt

This begs the question: is Pat off his meds or did they up their dosage?

He’s being saying this for years. I don’t think Robertson was ever a Young Earth Creationist (YEC). I think the YECs started to gain more power as part of the current tendency towards the “total rejection of the other side”, that being the idea that compromise is evil and must be opposed.

8 freetoken  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:25:39am

re: #1 Snarknado!

Well, it’s a start.

Pat does this to get attention from others, especially his co-religionists. He’s been in who-knows-how-many doctrinal fights over the past 6 decades. Remember, a great number of fundamentalists already reject him for heresy (his Pentecostalism.)

9 Lidane  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:26:31am

A religious wingnut I know was upset that Bill Nye “came off stronger” last night because Ken Ham went with Young Earth Creationism. He’s convinced that if Ham had gone with the already debunked “DNA is information and proof of a Creator” argument that he could have changed minds.

10 freetoken  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:27:25am

The view of Pat Robertson’s house (and all of ours), from Mars:

Looking Backward: Curiosity gazes upon the setting Earth

Given what we know now of Martian geology, how does Noah’s flood on Earth explain the stratigraphy of Mars?

11 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:27:50am

re: #9 Lidane

A religious wingnut I know was upset that Bill Nye came off stronger last night because Ken Ham went with Young Earth Creationism. He’s convinced that if Ham had gone with the already debunked “DNA is information and proof of a Creator” argument that he could have changed minds.

Sorry, but DNA is not mentioned in Ken Ham’s only reference material.
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12 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:28:18am

Yes, this isn’t the first time Pat Robertson has said this:

Pat Robertson, Science Guy

13 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:28:25am

re: #10 freetoken

The view of Pat Robertson’s house (and all of ours), from Mars:

Looking Backward: Curiosity gazes upon the setting Earth

Given what we know now of Martian geology, how does Noah’s flood on Earth explain the stratigraphy of Mars?

QA test before the real job. If Curiosity was in the right place it would possibly find some wrecks of Beta Arks.
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14 b.d.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:28:52am

A man in the blood diamond business has to know his geology, listen to Pat Robertson!

15 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:29:29am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Yes, this isn’t the first time Pat Robertson has said this:

Pat Robertson, Science Guy

And now, back to telling housewives to break statues of Buddha to keep demons from infecting your neighbor’s house.

16 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:30:22am
17 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:32:47am

HURR HURRRRR!!!!!!!

18 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:33:50am

If this is real, it is the most amazing example of airmanship I have ever seen: Youtube Video

19 freetoken  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:36:26am

Mullah Mohler, head of the most important seminary of the largest fundamentalist denomination in the US, chimes in:

Bill Nye’s Reasonable Man—The Central Worldview Clash of the Ham-Nye Debate

[…]

Ken Ham is a Young Earth Creationist (as am I), but the larger argument was over worldviews, and the debate revealed the direct collision between evolution and the recognition of any historical authority within Genesis 1-11. As if to make that clear, in making one of his closing arguments, Bill Nye actually went back to cite “this problem of the ark.”

The ark is not the real problem; autonomous human reason is. Bill Nye is a true believer in human reason and the ability of modern science to deliver us. Humanity is just “one germ away” from extinction, he said. But science provides him with the joy of discovery and understanding.

[…]

The central issue last night was really not the age of the earth or the claims of modern science. The question was not really about the ark or sediment layers or fossils. It was about the central worldview clash of our times, and of any time: the clash between the worldview of the self-declared “reasonable man” and the worldview of the sinner saved by grace.

This is just restating the presuppositional argument, all over again.

This is fundamentalism at its purest.

20 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:37:00am
21 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:39:42am

re: #19 freetoken

I’ll take reasonable science over someone deciding they need to save me from what they call a sin any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

22 Testy Toad T  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:39:46am

Hey, he couldn’t be Paleo Pat without at least acknowledging the concept and theoretical legitimacy of paleontology.

23 b.d.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:40:21am

re: #17 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRRR!!!!!!!

[Embedded content]

My Lord teh Greenwald is one wearisome creature.

Wherre the hell is his and Pierre’s Dudebro Honeycomb Hideout news organization anyways?

24 Lidane  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:41:38am

re: #19 freetoken

The ark is not the real problem; autonomous human reason is.

So it’s not the ark story being bullshit that’s a problem. It’s that people are now thinking things through for themselves?

WOW. That’s Dark Ages, pre-Enlightenment thinking. Scary.

25 darthstar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:41:49am
26 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:42:42am

re: #18 Shiplord Kirel

If this is real, it is the most amazing example of airmanship I have ever seen: [Embedded content]

So sorry!

Youtube Video

Uploaded on Mar 17, 2010

Here is a short video of ‘behind the scenes’ footage, as the infamous ‘one wing landing’ video was being made.
I trust that this will convince those who STILL believe that this was a real event, that it is nothing more than a model plane, and good CGI.

27 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:42:54am
28 jaunte  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:44:18am

Here’s a coincidence:
After the Nye vs Ham debate last night I happened to pick up a copy of
the Notebooks of Leonardo da Vinci and flipped it open to this passage:

Geological Problems
985.
In this work you have first to prove that the shells at a thousand braccia of elevation were not carried there by the deluge, because they are seen to be all at one level, and many mountains are seen to be above that level; and to inquire whether the deluge was caused by rain or by the swelling of the sea; and then you must show how, neither by rain nor by swelling of the rivers, nor by the overflow of this sea, could the shells—being heavy objects—be floated up the mountains by the sea, nor have carried there by the rivers against the course of their waters.
gutenberg.org

29 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:44:35am

YEC is not likely to be taken seriously by very many clergy, even quacks like Robertson, but polls show it is the most prevalent form of creationist belief among the general public. An incredible number of people believe this nonsense. This opens the gates for outright charlatans like Ham.
I am glad Bill Nye chose to have this high profile encounter with a YEC, rather than with what Robertson might consider a more suitable, but less representative, member of the creationist community.

30 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:44:53am

re: #24 Lidane

So it’s not the ark story being bullshit that’s a problem. It’s that people are now thinking things through for themselves?

WOW. That’s Dark Ages, pre-Enlightenment thinking. Scary.

Critical thinking skills are the devil.

PS Madrassas are bad because all they do is teach people the Koran, but we need to have more prayer and creationism in public schools.
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31 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:45:23am

Radical Moderate posted the following downstairs (#485):

Not sure if anyone else has been following the run-up to this year’s Winter Olympics in Sochi, but it is really starting to turn out to be a PR nightmare for Vladimir Putin. Between the ongoing questions regarding security at the venues, the roughly $30 billion missing from the $50 billion that was quoted as the cost of the games (yes, that’s billions - the 2014 Winter Games has a higher price tag than all previous Winter Olympics COMBINED) - now journalists are starting to arrive, and are finding a multitude of issues.

Wealth of Issues Face 2014 Sochi Winter Olympic Athletes, Fans and Journalists

Things like hotels not having potable water and rooms without amenities like heat or lights.

Once you enjoy a good night’s sleep in a tiny bed, stare at a blank wall for entertainment and relieve yourself in the restroom, all the while hoping it wouldn’t reject some of its contents like a stubborn porcelain bouncer outside a club, you need to take a shower.

The National Post’s Bruce Arthur, writing for Canada.com, brings a wealth of issues facing Olympic denizens to light:

Sochi? Well, three of the nine mountain hotels have not been completed, and the IOC estimate that 97 per cent of the rooms are ready appears to ignore the little things.

Almost every room is missing something: lightbulbs, TVs, lamps, chairs, curtains, wifi, heat, hot water. Shower curtains are a valuable piece of the future black market here. (One American photographer was simply told, “You will not get a shower curtain.”)

As George Takei would say, “Oh, my.”

32 Lidane  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:47:19am

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel

I am glad Bill Nye chose to have this high profile encounter with a YEC, rather than with what Robertson might consider a more suitable, but less representative, member of the creationist community.

If there has to be the pretense of a “debate” over evolution, you might as well go with the guy who thinks the Earth is 6000 years old and that everything was created in its present form.

33 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:49:20am

That is the problem with YEC: if you insist on a literal interpretation of the BIble, you must reject science, there is no way to reconcile the two. There are plenty of folks who can, they are just less literal about it.

34 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:49:41am

OT: The retired Tampa Bay policeman who shot the man in a theater over a texting altercation has pleased not guilty to a 2nd-degree murder charge.

nbcnews.com

35 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:49:55am

This is what I meant in a comment last evening about pointing out Christians most often do believe in evolution. Christians, that is to say protestants find faith and evolution a part of their understanding of where we live and how we got here. That is I guess a “appeal to authority” but it’s also a interfaith example of religion ans science getting along better.

36 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:50:16am

re: #18 Shiplord Kirel

If this is real, it is the most amazing example of airmanship I have ever seen: [Embedded content]

I’d say it were impossible but I’m remembering how maple seed helicopter down from the tree. Perhaps it was something like that combined with an engine with an excess of power?

37 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:50:51am

Robertson’s confusing. Sometimes he’ll sound like somewhat a voice of reason for the RR and then he’ll say something that reminds us “Oh yeah he’s that guy who said we deserved 9-11.”

38 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:51:11am

Tactical Kitteh.

39 thecommodore  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:52:33am

re: #4 Targetpractice

A drop in the bucket.

A tiny drop. Remember, he said this, among other idiotic things.

40 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:52:35am

re: #32 Lidane

If there has to be the pretense of a “debate” over evolution, you might as well go with the guy who thinks the Earth is 6000 years old and that everything was created in its present form.

I was dumbfounded at the 46% figure for YEC in that Gallup Poll when I first saw it a couple of years ago. YEC is where to hit them, it is where they are doing the most damage. Paradoxically, it is also where they are most vulnerable, since it involves a wholesale, absolute, open rejection of science and, indeed, of much of the history of the last 200 years.

41 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:53:22am
The ark is not the real problem; autonomous human reason is.

That’s an interesting turn of phrase—autonomous human reason.

He can’t very well say that ‘human reason’ or just ‘reason’ is the problem because that would imply that no one anywhere could ever exercise such reasoning. But sticking some psycho-babble word like ‘autonomous’ next to ‘reason’ is meant to deride reason while allowing it some minimal role in a person’s thinking life but to only be exercised in the presence of a religious overlord who will determine whether our reasoning is valid. Sigh.

42 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:53:56am

re: #34 Feline Fearless Leader

OT: The retired Tampa Bay policeman who shot the man in a theater over a texting altercation has pleased not guilty to a 2nd-degree murder charge.

nbcnews.com

In addition, a Pasco County judge ruled that infrared surveillance video taken from the theater where former cop Curtis Reeves Jr. allegedly shot Chad Oulson can be shown in court with the public present.

“Withholding this video from public view would only fuel speculation of what’s on it,” said Circuit Court Judge Pat Siracusa, adding that the video would be sealed with other evidence for a 30-day review by defense attorneys.

ZOMG!!1 Curtis Reeves is going to be railroaded by Big government surveillance!!1

43 freetoken  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:54:16am

re: #41 Bulworth

It’s about as self-delusional and dishonest as one can get.

Which is why he’s the head of a fundamentalist seminary.

44 b.d.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:55:02am

Mirror, mirror on the wall

45 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:55:49am

re: #44 b.d.

Mirror, mirror on the wall

[Embedded content]

Yeah.

46 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:56:38am

re: #36 William Barnett-Lewis

I’d say it were impossible but I’m remembering how maple seed helicopter down from the tree. Perhaps it was something like that combined with an engine with an excess of power?

Nah, it’s a fake (though a very good one). See WW’s #26. I would almost think it was possible given a large excess of power and rudder authority, but knowing that it’s a fake makes me feel better about thinking that I could not do it myself.

47 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:56:47am

re: #44 b.d.

Mirror, mirror on the wall

[Embedded content]

Apparently David has been taking notes.

48 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:58:06am

Smugness always goes better with lip gloss.

49 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:58:41am

re: #33 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

That is the problem with YEC: if you insist on a literal interpretation of the BIble, you must reject science, there is no way to reconcile the two. There are plenty of folks who can, they are just less literal about it.

Right. When I hear a YEC advocate talking about biblical authority, and how evolutionists want to believe there’s no god so they’re free to sin, I always think of my family, which is chock full of Christians who have no problems reconciling the belief that the Bible is the Word of God, but that it’s also a work of man, and not to be taken literally. The need to take it word-for-word literally is, IMO, the need not to have to think. As was expressed above by the YEC believer - “The ark is not the real problem; autonomous human reason is.”

50 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:58:46am

re: #41 Bulworth

That’s an interesting turn of phrase—autonomous human reason.

He can’t very well say that ‘human reason’ or just ‘reason’ is the problem because that would imply that no one anywhere could ever exercise such reasoning. But sticking some psycho-babble word like ‘autonomous’ next to ‘reason’ is meant to deride reason while allowing it some minimal role in a person’s thinking life but to only be exercised in the presence of a religious overlord who will determine whether our reasoning is valid. Sigh.

It has a particular meaning in philosophical discussion:

Autonomy (Ancient Greek: αὐτονομία autonomia from αὐτόνομος autonomos from αὐτο- auto- “self” + νόμος nomos, “law”, hence when combined understood to mean “one who gives oneself one’s own law”) is a concept found in moral, political, and bioethical philosophy. Within these contexts, it is the capacity of a rational individual to make an informed, un-coerced decision. In moral and political philosophy, autonomy is often used as the basis for determining moral responsibility and accountability for one’s actions. One of the best known philosophical theories of autonomy was developed by Kant. In medicine, respect for the autonomy of patients is an important goal, though it can conflict with a competing ethical principle, namely beneficence. Autonomy is also used to refer to the self-government of the people.

en.wikipedia.org

Bolding mine. That’s seems to lead to the term implying a rational person defining morality and accountability without necessarily needing the Sky Daddy to supply the laws. So, in essence, it might be another way of calling Nye an atheist.

51 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:00:40am

I just don’t see how one can be a YEC when there is to much evidence that contradicts that. Then again one could say the same about evolution and science in general.

52 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:00:54am

re: #48 wrenchwench

Smugness always goes better with lip gloss.

[Embedded image]

Caption: The Portrait of a Dudebro.

53 RadicalModerate  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:01:42am

re: #48 wrenchwench

Smugness always goes better with lip gloss.

[Embedded image]

Yeah, there’s nothing that says “Professional Journalist” more than a bio pic on your official website that looks like it would be perfectly at home at eHarmony.

54 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:01:51am

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel

Nah, it’s a fake (though a very good one). See WW’s #26. I would almost think it was possible given a large excess of power and rudder authority, but knowing that it’s a fake make me feel better about thinking that I could not do it myself.

Gotcha. I was about to fire up X-Plane and see if I could model it.

55 b.d.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:04:14am

re: #53 RadicalModerate

Yeah, there’s nothing that says “Professional Journalist” more than a bio pic on your official website that looks like it would be perfectly at home at eHarmony.

Let me lie down so you can take my byline photo

56 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:04:32am

re: #54 William Barnett-Lewis

Gotcha. I was about to fire up X-Plane and see if I could model it.

Your computer might crash!

57 Dr. Matt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:07:32am

re: #48 wrenchwench

Smugness always goes better with lip gloss.

[Embedded image]

My knee jerk reaction almost caused me to punch my monitor.

I really want to down-ding that pic.

58 RadicalModerate  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:08:41am

re: #55 b.d.

Let me lie down so you can take my byline photo

What’s really sad is that there are a lot of things that I agree with him politically on, and for the most part he is a talented writer. Just when he gets things wrong (like in the cases with Snowden and Bradley Manning), he gets things REALLY wrong.

59 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:08:59am
60 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:09:57am

re: #55 b.d.

Let me lie down so you can take my byline photo

Truman Capote was first. By decades.

Young Truman Capote

61 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:10:19am

re: #57 Dr. Matt

My knee jerk reaction almost caused me to punch my monitor.

I really want to down-ding that pic.

Go ahead and downding, I can take it. (I noticed my karma number this morning.)

62 jaunte  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:13:15am
63 A Mom Anon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:13:58am

re: #31 Dr Lizardo

The water coming out of the faucets is the color of orange Gatorade and people are being told not to get it on their faces because it burns.

Sochi is going to end up with a shit ton of condemned buildings no one will ever use again. What a waste. Wonder how many athletes will end up sick or worse.

On a semi related note, two of the three formerly jailed members of Pussy Riot were on Colbert last night with a translator. It was a good interview.

64 GunstarGreen  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:14:01am

re: #51 HappyWarrior

I just don’t see how one can be a YEC when there is to much evidence that contradicts that. Then again one could say the same about evolution and science in general.

The same way anyone becomes affiliated with any major religion of the world.

“This is the truth because it’s the storybook my parents forced me to read as a child. Ignore all of the other storybooks, they’re full of heathen lies.”

65 RadicalModerate  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:14:34am

re: #60 Dr Lizardo

Truman Capote was first. By decades.

Young Truman Capote

Capote wasn’t primarily a news journalist, but a stage and screenplay writer, as well as a novelist.

66 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:14:37am

re: #54 William Barnett-Lewis

Gotcha. I was about to fire up X-Plane and see if I could model it.

Well, here’s something you might want to model, and even if not you’ll like it:

Former SR-71 Blackbird pilot gives detailed tour of cockpit (VIDEO)

Former SR-71 Blackbird pilot Richard Graham gives a detailed tour of the still advanced instrumentation used in the cockpit.

Graham combs over each of the instruments and explains their respective functions. Some are found in many jets and are used for subsonic speeds, and some are exclusive to the Blackbird and are only used for supersonic speeds, according to the video posted to LiveLeak.

Liveleak Video

67 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:17:57am
68 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:19:10am

re: #63 A Mom Anon

The water coming out of the faucets is the color of orange Gatorade and people are being told not to get it on their faces because it burns.

Sochi is going to end up with a shit ton of condemned buildings no one will ever use again. What a waste. Wonder how many athletes will end up sick or worse.

On a semi related note, two of the three formerly jailed members of Pussy Riot were on Colbert last night with a translator. It was a good interview.

Oh, shit. That’s bad….really bad. Now that the reporters are arriving in Sochi in earnest to cover the Games, I think this is gonna be a PR disaster for the Russians.

69 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:20:26am

re: #65 RadicalModerate

Capote wasn’t primarily a news journalist, but a stage and screenplay writer, as well as a novelist.

That’s true. And frankly, after “In Cold Blood”, he never finished another book.

70 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:20:29am

re: #68 Dr Lizardo

Oh, shit. That’s bad….really bad. Now that the reporters are arriving in Sochi in earnest to cover the Games, I think this is gonna be a PR disaster for the Russians.

The Russian state-media will just write it off as Western jealousy and propaganda at being faced with the triumph of Putin, the ultimate he-man.
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71 RadicalModerate  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:21:38am

re: #62 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Then there’s this.


There were some replies about this being typical in some parts of Europe and Asia, but it should be mentioned that the toilets in those places are usually similar to bidets, that has a stream of water that washes the nether regions so that the tissue paper is more for drying purposes than what it is used for in the US.

72 makeitstop  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:21:55am

re: #70 Feline Fearless Leader

The Russian state-media wingnut fanbois will just write it off as Western jealousy and propaganda at being faced with the triumph of Putin, the ultimate he-man.
//

FTFY

73 prairiefire  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:22:15am

We are surrounded by 10 inches of snow here on the prairie! Stay warm, lizards!

74 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:22:21am

Colder.

75 RadicalModerate  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:24:48am

For those interested, here’s the article I linked downstairs.

Wealth of Issues Face 2014 Sochi Winter Olympic Athletes, Fans and Journalists

76 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:25:21am

re: #73 prairiefire

We are surrounded by 10 inches of snow here on the prairie! Stay warm, lizards!

I’m starting to like Centigrade temps more. Below zero actually has a value in C as opposed to F. Right now it’s -21°C and it feels like it. Below 0 in Fahrenheit is just starting at 32 degrees below freezing. Kind of a dumb measurement since 32 degrees is already freezing temperature.

77 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:27:43am

re: #75 RadicalModerate

For those interested, here’s the article I linked downstairs.

Wealth of Issues Face 2014 Sochi Winter Olympic Athletes, Fans and Journalists

Here, let me pull out my tiny violin.

78 No Country For Old Haters  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:28:29am

re: #63 A Mom Anon

The water coming out of the faucets is the color of orange Gatorade and people are being told not to get it on their faces because it burns.

That’s the complimentary hand-cleaner/tooth paste.

Sochi is going to end up with a shit ton of condemned buildings no one will ever use again. What a waste. Wonder how many athletes will end up sick or worse.

I hope it doesn’t turn out that badly.

On a semi related note, two of the three formerly jailed members of Pussy Riot were on Colbert last night with a translator. It was a good interview.

Cool, off to check it out…

79 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:29:16am

BUT PUTIN IS A REAL MANLY MAN HURR HURRRR!!!!!!!!

80 darthstar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:29:25am

re: #71 RadicalModerate

Then there’s this.

[Embedded content]


There were some replies about this being typical in some parts of Europe and Asia, but it should be mentioned that the toilets in those places are usually similar to bidets, that has a stream of water that washes the nether regions so that the tissue paper is more for drying purposes than what it is used for in the US.

It’s not uncommon for places to have a no-flush policy on toilet paper. Mexico is like that…though they have lids on the bins next to the toilet.

81 S'latch  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:30:18am

There goes that atheist, Pat Robertson, again. Mocking and bashing Christians for their beliefs.

82 freetoken  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:32:33am

re: #74 Gus

Colder.

Isn’t that a setting on a refrigerator control dial?

83 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:33:55am

re: #82 freetoken

Isn’t that a setting on a refrigerator control dial?

Yeah, I think so. Had to wake up this morning because it was too cold to sleep. Really funny stuff I tell you. I’m just laughing it up over here.

84 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:37:25am

re: #83 Gus

Yeah, I think so. Had to wake up this morning because it was too cold to sleep. Really funny stuff I tell you. I’m just laughing it up over here.

Weather Cat is Unamused

85 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:40:35am

re: #18 Shiplord Kirel

If this is real, it is the most amazing example of airmanship I have ever seen: [Embedded content]

Holy crap! I’m guessing that is one of the best examples of both lucky and good I’ve ever seen.

86 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:41:25am
87 RadicalModerate  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:41:31am

re: #79 Pie-onist Overlord

BUT PUTIN IS A REAL MANLY MAN HURR HURRRR!!!!!!!!

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Someone needs to explain to Prudence that there is currently less government regulation in the Russian economy than there is in the United States, and that lack of oversight is where a lot of the corruption related to the Sochi Olympics stems from.

It’s unchecked capitalism, not communism in Russia nowadays.

88 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:42:24am

re: #87 RadicalModerate

Someone needs to explain to Prudence that there is currently less government regulation in the Russian economy than there is in the United States, and that lack of oversight is where a lot of the corruption related to the Sochi Olympics stems from.

It’s unchecked capitalism, not communism in Russia nowadays.

Oligarchy capitalism more so than unchecked.

89 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:42:43am


A truck hauling waste material caught fire in the underground part of the plant. The area has been evacuated, a plant official confirms.

There are no reports of injuries at this time.

90 steve_davis  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:43:21am

Not only did Ussher come up with that date, so did Nicholas Copernicus. And that’s really damning for the fundamentalists because it means there’s really no wiggle room. Either the Bible supports a universe that is 6,000 years old, or it cannot be taken literally because large parts of it are not true.

91 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:43:51am

re: #88 Feline Fearless Leader

Oligarchy capitalism more so than unchecked.

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a case where the latter did not become the former almost at once.

92 Stanley Sea  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:43:54am

re: #67 wrenchwench

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Beautiful.

93 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:44:15am

re: #85 Romantic Heretic

Holy crap! I’m guessing that is one of the best examples of both lucky and good I’ve ever seen.

Fake. See #26.

94 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:44:34am

re: #83 Gus

Yeah, I think so. Had to wake up this morning because it was too cold to sleep. Really funny stuff I tell you. I’m just laughing it up over here.

I suppose burning the tiny violin wouldn’t help much.

95 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:45:59am

re: #93 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Fake. See #26.

Damn, they sure faked me out.

This is why I believe it may not be long before video is not accepted in a court of law as evidence.

96 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:48:02am

SO IF SOMEBODY SAYS THEY’RE HAPPY THEY ONLY HAVE TO WORK ONE JRRB NOT THREE, & THEY CAN RETIRE INSTEAD OF WORKING UNTIL THEY DIE, IS LYING!!!!!!1!!!!!!

97 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:48:02am

re: #95 Romantic Heretic

Damn, they sure faked me out.

This is why I believe it may not be long before video is not accepted in a court of law as evidence.

Eyewitness testimony is nowhere as good as it is cracked up to be either.

98 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:49:01am


A Chula Vista firefighter responding to a rollover accident on I-805 ended up in handcuffs Tuesday night after a dispute with a CHP officer.

CBS News 8 cameras were rolling around 9:00 p.m. when the firefighter and CHP officer got in a dispute over where the fire engine should park, while firefighters were responding to the crash that happened north on I-805 between Telegraph Canyon Road and East Orange Avenue.

[…]

Representatives from the CHP and Chula Vista Fire Department are scheduled to meet Wednesday to discuss the details of this incident.

I wonder whether restraints will be required at that meeting.

99 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:50:18am

re: #96 Pie-onist Overlord

SO IF SOMEBODY SAYS THEY’RE HAPPY THEY ONLY HAVE TO WORK ONE JRRB NOT THREE, & THEY CAN RETIRE INSTEAD OF WORKING UNTIL THEY DIE, IS LYING!!!!!!1!!!!!!

[Embedded content]

Doesn’t everyone want to work more hours just to barely scrape by?
/

100 leftynyc  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:51:22am

re: #71 RadicalModerate

Then there’s this.

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There were some replies about this being typical in some parts of Europe and Asia, but it should be mentioned that the toilets in those places are usually similar to bidets, that has a stream of water that washes the nether regions so that the tissue paper is more for drying purposes than what it is used for in the US.

Not really. I go to Mykonos every summer and it’s just a regular toilet in our hotel room but we’ve been going for 20 years and we’ve never been able to put paper down there. Takes me about 1/2 a day to get used to it again.

101 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:51:39am

Russia is absolutely bungling the Olympics. Just like how Brazil and Dubai are turning into shitshows for World Cup.

Why the hell are we putting major international sporting events in the hands of countries that 1) Can’t afford them 2) Won’tCan’t prepare for them 3) Don’t value basic human rights 4) Are corrupt as shit?

I for one, blame the French for all of this.

102 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:53:05am

Bit of a power outage there.

103 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:53:31am

I see Piers Morgan has been acting like an asshole again.

104 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:54:02am

re: #93 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Fake. See #26.

If you have things set right you don’t need any controls at all.

en.wikipedia.org

105 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:55:48am

WTFITS
HURR HURR TEH HOLOCAUST IS ALREADY HEAR!!!!!!!

106 leftynyc  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:56:16am

This story seems like a minor point but after listening to so many on the right say “Christie wouldn’t have had that 2 hour press conference and lied”, I’m going to post it anyway. Did he really think nobody was going to check this out:

talkingpointsmemo.com

snip
Among the accusations Christie’s office leveled against Wildstein: that he “was publicly accused by his high school social studies teach of deceptive behavior.”

But the story apparently didn’t end there. According to the Record, it ended with Wildstein and the teacher agreeing that there had been merely a “misunderstanding.”

107 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:56:20am

re: #96 Pie-onist Overlord

SO IF SOMEBODY SAYS THEY’RE HAPPY THEY ONLY HAVE TO WORK ONE JRRB NOT THREE, & THEY CAN RETIRE INSTEAD OF WORKING UNTIL THEY DIE, IS LYING!!!!!!1!!!!!!

[Embedded content]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the report say these were ‘loses’ due to people having to work less hours/jobs in order to afford healthcare?

108 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:56:38am
109 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:57:05am

re: #107 Varek Raith

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the report say these were ‘loses’ due to people having to work less hours/jobs in order to afford healthcare?

Wingnuts don’t give a shit what the report actually said. They have their meme and they’re sticking to it.

110 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:57:05am


It was a salt truck, not a waste truck.

111 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:57:50am

re: #109 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts don’t give a shit what the report actually said. They have their meme and they’re sticking to it.

That’s what I figured.

112 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:58:05am

re: #110 wrenchwench

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It was a salt truck, not a waste truck.

I feel a tad better now.

113 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:01:27pm

re: #112 Varek Raith

I feel a tad better now.

The truck must be used to move salt around, not deliver it, since WIPP is a salt cave, basically.

114 BongCrodny  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:02:50pm

re: #96 Pie-onist Overlord

SO IF SOMEBODY SAYS THEY’RE HAPPY THEY ONLY HAVE TO WORK ONE JRRB NOT THREE, & THEY CAN RETIRE INSTEAD OF WORKING UNTIL THEY DIE, IS LYING!!!!!!1!!!!!!

[Embedded content]

But I thought the kind of people who Obamacare is supposed to cover are lazy and shiftless.

It’s really not hard reconciling two completely opposite points of view when you completely ignore one of them.

115 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:09:22pm
116 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:11:03pm
117 A Mom Anon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:11:14pm

re: #115 Kragar

Um, what did he win exactly? Dumbass of the Decade?

118 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:12:09pm

Welcome To The New NBC News Home Page!

i hate it and i’m not using your page anymore

thank you

119 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:13:20pm

re: #101 SpaceJesus

Russia is absolutely bungling the Olympics. Just like how Brazil and Dubai are turning into shitshows for World Cup.

Why the hell are we putting major international sporting events in the hands of countries that 1) Can’t afford them 2) Won’tCan’t prepare for them 3) Don’t value basic human rights 4) Are corrupt as shit?

I for one, blame the French for all of this.

The IOC is one of the most corrupt organizations in the world and all decisions are based on the size of the bribe offered?

120 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:13:58pm

re: #64 GunstarGreen

The same way anyone becomes affiliated with any major religion of the world.

“This is the truth because it’s the storybook my parents forced me to read as a child. Ignore all of the other storybooks, they’re full of heathen lies.”

But the heathen lies are so much more entertaining. I am reading ” Gods and Myths of Northern Europe” right now. Man Odin and his fellow gods knew how to party. And Thor could be a real asshole sometimes. Loki was pretty much an asshole all the time. And I wasn’t aware that the Valkyries were females that escorted fallen soldiers to Valhalla.

121 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:15:12pm
122 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:15:15pm

re: #48 wrenchwench

Smugness always goes better with lip gloss.

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LMAO—the first thing I thought before reading your comment: “WTF, is he wearing lip gloss??”

123 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:16:16pm

re: #120 Eventual Carrion

But the heathen lies are so much more entertaining. I am reading ” Gods and Myths of Northern Europe” right now. Man Odin and his fellow gods knew how to party. And Thor could be a real asshole sometimes. Loki was pretty much an asshole all the time. And I wasn’t aware that the Valkyries were females that escorted fallen soldiers to Valhalla.

How could you not know that?

124 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:17:02pm

re: #120 Eventual Carrion

But the heathen lies are so much more entertaining. I am reading ” Gods and Myths of Northern Europe” right now. Man Odin and his fellow gods knew how to party. And Thor could be a real asshole sometimes. Loki was pretty much an asshole all the time. And I wasn’t aware that the Valkyries were females that escorted fallen soldiers to Valhalla.

Not to mention being the source of operas that last for days.

125 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:17:18pm

Something else I read about Sochi this morning:

126 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:17:57pm

re: #122 CuriousLurker

LMAO—the first thing I thought before reading your comment: “WTF, is he wearing lip gloss??”

Hey, I wanted to apologize for being so aggressive towards certain people in your Islamophopia Definition thread.

127 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:18:33pm

re: #122 CuriousLurker

LMAO—the first thing I thought before reading your comment: “WTF, is he wearing lip gloss??”

Doesn’t it remind you of Snowden’s modelling shots that Gus dug up? Makes me wonder where Greenwald’s are.

128 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:19:40pm
129 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:20:13pm

re: #124 Dr Lizardo

Not to mention being the source of operas that last for days.

thank dog wagner never glommed on to jebus

130 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:21:21pm

Jocko’s Rocket Ship

Who’s that?

131 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:22:34pm

re: #130 Varek Raith

Jocko’s Rocket Ship

Who’s that?

Beats me, but I’ve noticed him stealth down-dinging lately.

132 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:24:25pm

re: #129 dog philosopher

thank dog wagner never glommed on to jebus

LOL.

I’ve seen Wagner’s Ring Cycle in its entirety. I don’t mind opera, personally, if it’s good. I owe that one to my ex-wife, who scored the tickets to see it; she was a big opera buff.

Perhaps the one thing I did enjoy, and it’s because of the movie “Excalibur” is Siegfried’s Funeral March from ‘Götterdämmerung’. In “Excalibur” it was used to beautiful effect.

133 freetoken  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:24:45pm

re: #129 dog philosopher

thank dog wagner never glommed on to jebus

I don’t know… I think Wagner would have done a good job with that story of David collecting all those foreskins.

134 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:25:57pm

re: #123 Kragar

How could you not know that?

Never looked into it. The only time I can remember hearing anything about the Valkyries was from the song of their flight.

135 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:26:54pm

Hey Jocko,
I stand by what I said. I just shouldn’t have derailed/flamed someone else’s thread in doing so.
It wasn’t very classy of me.
/That’s that.
:)

136 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:28:00pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

Yup. There goes my last bit… from the person who thinks that science is a theory to word salad to 2d law of thermodynamics and big bang theory (not the show, which is true to actual science, but not entirely to relationships).

They warm themselves by the fire of ignorance and belief. Science is scary to them, and that science can explain much of what we observe in the world (and universe) is seen as scary to them. Personally, I see that as comforting that we are still beginning to understand the universe around us, and that we’re constantly learning and expanding our knowledge base. It’s that fact that is so scary to these YECs, who think that “science” and the universe were settled and indisputably so 6000 years ago.

137 calochortus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:28:03pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

I don’t suppose any of those people actually want their questions answered.

138 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:28:31pm

re: #137 calochortus

I don’t suppose any of those people actually want their questions answered.

BUT WHAT ABOUT NOETICS?!?!

139 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:28:59pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

Doesn’t it remind you of Snowden’s modelling shots that Gus dug up? Makes me wonder where Greenwald’s are.

LOL, yeah, now that you mention it it kinda does. GG, ugh, no—he’s not pretty* enough to wear lip gloss.


——————
*To me there’s handsome that’s pretty and handsome that’s not, that’s more… I dunno rugged, I guess. Sirota & Snowden fall in the former category, GG falls in neither. But hey, beauty’s in the eye of the beholder, right?

140 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:29:00pm

re: #132 Dr Lizardo

LOL.

I’ve seen Wagner’s Ring Cycle in its entirety. I don’t mind opera, personally, if it’s good. I owe that one to my ex-wife, who scored the tickets to see it; she was a big opera buff.

Perhaps the one thing I did enjoy, and it’s because of the movie “Excalibur” is Siegfried’s Funeral March from ‘Götterdämmerung’. In “Excalibur” it was used to beautiful effect.

my favorite wagner is the ‘liebestod’ from tristan and isolde

my favorite joke about wagner

“Wagner has wonderful moments, and dreadful quarters of an hour”

- rossini

[edit: that’s Gioachino Rossini]

141 calochortus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:29:42pm

re: #138 Varek Raith

BUT WHAT ABOUT NOETICS?!?!

What about them? ;)

142 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:30:03pm

ARE YOU A-SCARED?

143 Slap  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:30:15pm

THIS attitude really frosts my snudgies:

“The central issue last night was really not the age of the earth or the claims of modern science. The question was not really about the ark or sediment layers or fossils. It was about the central worldview clash of our times, and of any time: the clash between the worldview of the self-declared “reasonable man” and the worldview of the sinner saved by grace.”

No, you sanctimonious puke. It’s the clash between reasonable men and didactic fundamentalist fools. Use of the phrase “sinner saved by grace” implies that if you are a “reasonable man”, you’re condemned to Hell, by inference. It’s a peculiarly fundie-xtian conceit that the only “grace” occurs when you surrender your intellect to accept their ideas unconditionally. (The “well, if you want to believe that, well, I’ll pray you come around eventually, and, if not, I have tried to warn you about your impending damnation,”)

Sanctimonious pukes. (Apologies to the Pythons….)

144 freetoken  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:30:49pm

There once was a lady from Noetics,
Who’s expertise was Poetics,
…

145 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:31:02pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

ARE YOU A-SCARED?

[Embedded image]

Not anymore than I am of Santa Claus.
Easter Bunny…now THAT’S something to be askeert of.

146 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:31:24pm

re: #135 Varek Raith

Hey Jocko,
I stand by what I said. I just shouldn’t have derailed/flamed someone else’s thread in doing so.
It wasn’t very classy of me.
/That’s that.
:)

And no need to apologize, things were already going down the tubes. Besides, I could never be mad at you for more than 30 seconds. {{{VR}}}

147 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:31:45pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not anymore than I am of Santa Clause.
Easter Bunny…now THAT’S something to be askeert of.

The tooth fairy.
Now there’s a monster.

148 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:31:47pm

This is a good one. I always love this argument that turns God into some kind of trickster who plants things that look like evidence of evolution, just to test us dumb humans.

149 calochortus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:32:14pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

ARE YOU A-SCARED?

[Embedded image]

No. The existence of a divine Creator would be rather comforting, I think. I just don’t see any evidence.
Is this woman scared of being on our own? (My guess: yes.)

150 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:32:47pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

ARE YOU A-SCARED?

[Embedded image]

what i’m scared of is people who think they would just go ahead and be evil if they wouldn’t suffer eternal torment for it

151 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:32:57pm

re: #140 dog philosopher

my favorite wagner is the ‘liebestod’ from tristan and isolde

my favorite joke about wagner

“Wagner has wonderful moments, and dreadful quarters of an hour”

- rossini

Heh. I’d quite agree with Rossini on that one.

For instance, using ‘Siegfried’s Funeral March’ at the finale of “Excalibur” was a brilliant choice; it gives the film an appropriately mythic conclusion.

Youtube Video

152 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:33:46pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

is it completely illogical that the

yes

153 calochortus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:35:00pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

This is a good one. I always love this argument that turns God into some kind of trickster who plants things thatlook like evidence of evolution, just to test us dumb humans.

[Embedded image]

The Omphalos Hypothesis (aka “Bellybutton Theory.”) Roundly rejected by the British in the 1850s when a theologian wrote a book about it. Apparently they weren’t amused by God-the-Trickster.

154 freetoken  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:35:19pm

Why do they all have the Jim-Jones-disciple look on their face?

155 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:35:24pm

If someone is comforted/fulfilled by their beliefs, it doesn’t bother me.
Just don’t push them in to law or on to others.

156 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:35:44pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

ARE YOU A-SCARED?

[Embedded image]

Why would I be?

I’m also not scared of the Midgard Serpent, the Loch Ness Monster, or the Jersey Devil.

157 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:35:56pm
158 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:36:32pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

This is a good one. I always love this argument that turns God into some kind of trickster who plants things that look like evidence of evolution, just to test us dumb humans.

[Embedded image]

How can we prove the Earth isn’t 10 seconds old and everything was just put there to make us thinks its older?

159 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:36:44pm

re: #156 Kragar

Why would I be?

I’m also not scared of the Midgard Serpent, the Loch Ness Monster, or the Jersey Devil.

Having lived half my life in NJ, I can assure you that the Jersey Devil is very much real.

160 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:36:58pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

That’ll keep the Creation “Museum” open for, what, another 6 months to a years at this rate?

161 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:37:20pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

The end result of the Bill Nye-Ken Ham debate is going to be a lot of donations to Ken Ham from gullible creationists. #creationdebate

There will no doubt be a surge in donations, but I don’t think that should be a problem for science advocates. For one thing, much of it is likely to come at the expense of other creationists and bat-guano fundies, with little or no increase in overall funding of superstition based antiscience. Most of these people are probably already close to the limit on disposable income, and they would have to shift their expenditures around to have spare change for Ham. They could probably dip into their ammunition budgets for more, but that would not be a bad thing either.
Secondly, it gives Ham the alpha male position in the creo troop, and enhances his status among far gone religious right types in general. He is such a buffoon and easy target that this is probably a good thing. Like any form of show business, creationism and evangelical activism are highly competitive. A new star cannot rise without another being eclipsed. David Barton is probably the top star now. He is also a YEC, though that is not the focus of his activism. Ham is actually no crazier than Barton but Barton has managed to build an intricate network of political and media connections. Ham has nothing comparable. The power of this network would inevitably decline if Ham were promoted at the expense of Barton and other better connected fundies.

162 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:37:22pm

So, anybody who says that people who end up working less under Obamacare do so because they want to is lying

But that’s precisely what the new CBO report is estimating now.

163 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:37:50pm

re: #150 dog philosopher

what i’m scared of is people who think they would just go ahead and be evil if they wouldn’t suffer eternal torment for it

That’s infinitely more terrifying. That shows a lack of humanity, not to mention moral restraint.

No one should need to have a fear of eternal punishment as their motivation for doing good.

People who say, “Why shouldn’t I kill someone if there’s no God and no Hell?” are already inclined to evil, in my opinion. It’s only the fear of supernatural sanction that restrains them, not an innate sense of what is right and what is wrong.

164 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:38:02pm

re: #159 Varek Raith

Having lived half my life in NJ, I can assure you that the Jersey Devil is very much real.

He’s nothing compared to Chupacabra.

165 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:38:39pm

re: #158 Kragar

How can we prove the Earth isn’t 10 seconds old and everything was just put there to make us thinks its older?

Langoliers!!!

166 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:39:01pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

This is a good one. I always love this argument that turns God into some kind of trickster who plants things that look like evidence of evolution, just to test us dumb humans.

[Embedded image]

actually, god has planted the evidence to fool us into believing that he created it

167 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:39:10pm
168 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:39:58pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Welcome to the Sochi Potemkin Winter Games!

169 calochortus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:40:10pm

re: #163 Dr Lizardo

That’s infinitely more terrifying. That shows a lack of humanity, not to mention moral restraint.

No one should need to have a fear of eternal punishment as their motivation for doing good.

People who say, “Why shouldn’t I kill someone if there’s no God and no Hell?” are already inclined to evil, in my opinion. It’s only the fear of supernatural sanction that restrains them, not an innate sense of what is right and what is wrong.

I don’t think they’d just go ahead and kill people though. I suspect they don’t understand their own impulse control enough to realize that their religion is just an explanation of why they have impulse control. I haven’t noticed that atheists are any more likely to be criminals than anyone else.

170 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:40:36pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

Something about Potemkin villages…..

171 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:41:07pm

re: #168 Dr Lizardo

Damn beat me to it….

172 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:41:23pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not anymore than I am of Santa Clause.
Easter Bunny…now THAT’S something to be askeert of.

Yeah, you totally don’t want to screw around with a pissed off Easter Bunny.

Evil Easter Bunny by sharpie99 on deviantART

173 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:41:55pm

And in the Russian version of “You had ONE job to do…”

174 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:42:46pm

hahaha…no need to stand in queue for the facilities…

175 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:43:17pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

ARE YOU A-SCARED?

[Embedded image]

No, but I am a little scared of the Easter bunny. See this before you make up your mind: Night of the Lepus.
Youtube Video

176 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:43:38pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, now. That complicates things.

177 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:44:02pm

Youtube Video

178 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:44:21pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not anymore than I am of Santa Claus.
Easter Bunny…now THAT’S something to be askeert of.

re: #175 Shiplord Kirel

GMTA

179 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:44:42pm
180 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:44:49pm

re: #175 Shiplord Kirel

No, but I am a little scared of the Easter bunny. See this before you make up your mind: Night of the Lepus.
[Embedded content]

AHAHAHAHAHA!

Night of the Lepus; one of my favorite B-movies!

181 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:44:59pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahaha…no need to stand in queue for the facilities…

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182 calochortus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:45:21pm

re: #161 Shiplord Kirel

The good news is that what little commentary I’ve seen on the debate in conservative circles is cringing at the young-earth focus. There’s a lot of “Ham really should have taken a different line of reasoning” out there. I think it argues that a lot of creationists are embarrassed by the most extreme version of their own beliefs, which they don’t want to examine too closely.

183 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:45:44pm
184 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:46:08pm

The tweet photos from Sochi are great:

185 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:46:29pm

re: #180 Dr Lizardo

AHAHAHAHAHA!

Night of the Lepus; one of my favorite B-movies!

I still consider it a national tragedy that Mike and the Bots never had that experiment.

186 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:46:57pm

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, but at least Russia has total absolute freedoms like no political surveillance. //

187 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:47:34pm

re: #185 Kragar

I still consider it a national tragedy that Mike and the Bots never had that experiment.

That would have been a great episode; that movie was practically made for MST3K.

188 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:48:49pm

A relative perhaps?

Ham, space hero (1956-1983)

Guess not.

189 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:49:06pm

re: #187 Dr Lizardo

That would have been a great episode; that movie was practically made for MST3K.

And it was mentioned as part of Mike’s training for his first show as host.

I feel cheated.

190 b.d.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:49:07pm

Do you think Putin will hold off on the contractor executions until the end of the games or before?

191 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:50:21pm

He is blogging about the Sochi photos:

192 calochortus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:50:30pm

re: #190 b.d.

Do you thinnk Putin will hold off on the contractor executions until the end of the games or before?

It will save having to pay the so far unpaid contractors…

193 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:50:40pm

re: #153 calochortus

The Omphalos Hypothesis (aka “Bellybutton Theory.”) Roundly rejected by the British in the 1850s when a theologian wrote a book about it. Apparently they weren’t amused by God-the-Trickster.

God-the-Trickster gets real close very quickly to God-the-Arbitrary-Experimenter. Once the higher power is *not* expressedly looking out for you than yes you should consider being afraid since you’re now somewhere in status between a lab rat and an ant in an ant farm.

194 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:51:18pm

re: #175 Shiplord Kirel

No, but I am a little scared of the Easter bunny. See this before you make up your mind: Night of the Lepus.
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Ha! You just reminded me of Krampus, Santa’s demonic companion. I first learned about him right here at LGF.

More Google results here.

195 Ian G.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:53:06pm

BTW, Charles and others, I expect nothing but merciless mockery from you of all the wingnut buffoons who love them some Putin over the utter clown show that is Sochi. You think Detroit is corrupt and dysfunctional? It’s got nothing on Russia.

And I will continue to pray to whatever deity suits my fancy (Pachamama, today) that there won’t be a terrorist attack on the Olympics. I’m afraid of something like Munich, only much worse.

196 JustMark  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:53:24pm

re: #120 Eventual Carrion

But the heathen lies are so much more entertaining. I am reading ” Gods and Myths of Northern Europe” right now. Man Odin and his fellow gods knew how to party. And Thor could be a real asshole sometimes. Loki was pretty much an asshole all the time. And I wasn’t aware that the Valkyries were females that escorted fallen soldiers to Valhalla.

Dude, I learned all of that reading Marvel Comics as a kid…

197 b.d.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:53:57pm
198 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:54:33pm

re: #188 Shiplord Kirel

A relative perhaps?

Ham, space hero (1956-1983)

Guess not.

Something I didn’t know until I looked up that article. Ham’s backup, Minnie, was the only female in the astro-chimp corps. She was also the last surviving member, passing away on March 14, 1998 at the age of 41.

199 calochortus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:56:47pm

re: #193 Feline Fearless Leader

God-the-Trickster get real close very quickly to God-the-Arbitrary-Experimenter. Once the higher power is *not* expressedly looking out for you than yes you should consider being afraid since you’re now somewhere in status between a lab rat and an ant in an ant farm.

In some ways I think the multi-deity religions have a much better grip on this aspect. Multiple gods can express a wide range of actions/emotions and each be consistent and believable. (Loki, Coyote, etc. can be tricksters, other deities can bring good things to ‘the people’.) Having one god who loves and cares for us while creating a critter that parasitizes human eyeballs is a bit of a stretch for me.

200 Dr. Matt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:56:56pm

re: #62 jaunte

Welcome to Russia! RT@dannyyadron NBC: All Visitors to Sochi Olympics Immediately Hacked t.co
— Alex Seitz-Wald (@aseitzwald) February 5, 2014

Any comments from GG & the dudebros?

note: ‘GG & the dudebros’ would be a great name for a douchie frat boy band

201 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:58:50pm

re: #193 Feline Fearless Leader

God-the-Trickster get real close very quickly to God-the-Arbitrary-Experimenter. Once the higher power is *not* expressedly looking out for you than yes you should consider being afraid since you’re now somewhere in status between a lab rat and an ant in an ant farm.

God is Q.
/

202 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:58:56pm

re: #190 b.d.

Do you think Putin will hold off on the contractor executions until the end of the games or before?

You didn’t hear? That’s a special event at Sochi, solely for nations with ‘strong rulers’. Each nation sends an execution and the one who kills in the most creative way gets the gold!

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203 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:00:56pm

re: #199 calochortus

In some ways I think the multi-deity religions have a much better grip on this aspect. Multiple gods can express a wide range of actions/emotions and each be consistent and believable. (Loki, Coyote, etc. can be tricksters, other deities can bring good things to ‘the people’.) Having one god who loves and cares for us while creating a critter that parasitizes human eyeballs is a bit of a stretch for me.

I am naturally distrustful of anyone who says “Love and obey me or burn in hell for eternity”.

204 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:01:23pm
205 calochortus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:01:28pm

re: #203 Kragar

I am naturally distrustful of anyone who says “Love and obey me or burn in hell for eternity”.

Really? Why is that?
/

206 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:02:02pm

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

You didn’t hear? That’s a special event at Sochi, solely for nations with ‘strong rulers’. Each nation sends an execution and the one who kills in the most creative way gets the gold!

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They can get some warm up on our FEMA camp contractors. Thirty years and the damned things are still not open for mass deportations.

207 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:02:12pm

Hmm. A conundrum has arisen. Mother (and mother-in-law) of some friends of mine has passed away. No way I will be able to make the trip for the funeral given distance, work, and weather predictions for this weekend. Not a massive fan of the sending flowers thing. This is a mention in the obit about charitable contributions, but that’s to the Susan G Komen Breast Cancer organization, and I am not happy with them due to their shenanigans as covered her in LGF in the past few years.

208 klys  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:03:10pm

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I keep misreading that second bullet point as “no Russian on the snow.”

209 klys  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:05:05pm

re: #207 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. A conundrum has arisen. Mother (and mother-in-law) of some friends of mine has passed away. No way I will be able to make the trip for the funeral given distance, work, and weather predictions for this weekend. Not a massive fan of the sending flowers thing. This is a mention in the obit about charitable contributions, but that’s to the Susan G Komen Breast Cancer organization, and I am not happy with them due to their shenanigans as covered her in LGF in the past few years.

You might consider a contribution to another breast cancer organization (in the spirit of the charity requested without the problematic bits).

210 darthstar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:05:21pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

This is a good one. I always love this argument that turns God into some kind of trickster who plants things that look like evidence of evolution, just to test us dumb humans.

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Let’s not forget that per this logic god also created dead shit. Dead dinosaurs dismembered and sometimes partially digested by other dead dinosaurs. Dead trees that survived multiple fires before he made them really dead. And of course dead people at varying stages of evolution. That’s why I don’t worship god. Fucker’s dishonest as hell…and more than a little bit sadistic.

211 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:05:33pm
212 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:06:02pm

And the other reason I prefer autonomous free-will is that if the rules and moral decisions are truly our own there can be hope that we as a species learn to deal with ourselves in terms of ethical behavior. That would be a much harder road with a bunch of divine pot-stirrers about.

213 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:06:39pm

re: #209 klys

You might consider a contribution to another breast cancer organization (in the spirit of the charity requested without the problematic bits).

That is probably my favored option at this point.

214 Testy Toad T  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:06:46pm

I agree with Marco Rubio. Government should get more involved in the tobacco regulatory business, and should force privately owned stores to sell tobacco to the public.

215 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:06:49pm

re: #120 Eventual Carrion

But the heathen lies are so much more entertaining. I am reading ” Gods and Myths of Northern Europe” right now. Man Odin and his fellow gods knew how to party. And Thor could be a real asshole sometimes. Loki was pretty much an asshole all the time. And I wasn’t aware that the Valkyries were females that escorted fallen soldiers to Valhalla.

Can’t think of Odin without imagining Donar Vadderung these days.

216 GunstarGreen  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:08:30pm

re: #211 wrenchwench

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I fully support your right to smoke or not smoke whatever plant matter you want.

And I fully support your right to choose whether or not you sell said smokable plant matter.

Once again, the party of FREEDOM™ comes down on the side of less freedom for everyone. Color me surprised.

217 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:08:38pm

re: #211 wrenchwench

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Except none of those anti-smoking people want it to be a felony to smoke cigs, Senator stupid hack for the tobacco lobby.

218 b.d.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:08:44pm

re: #211 wrenchwench

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Have I mentioned lately how much I loathe that suckup dudebro Chris Hayes?

219 Joanne  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:10:06pm

re: #63 A Mom Anon

The water coming out of the faucets is the color of orange Gatorade and people are being told not to get it on their faces because it burns.

Sochi is going to end up with a shit ton of condemned buildings no one will ever use again. What a waste. Wonder how many athletes will end up sick or worse.

On a semi related note, two of the three formerly jailed members of Pussy Riot were on Colbert last night with a translator. It was a good interview.

Is this the games where Chicago was in the running and the righties went all clappy-clappy when we lost them to the other country? Or was that a different Olympic games?

220 Lidane  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:10:16pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Pfft. Intelligent Design is just fluffed up Creationism.

221 leftynyc  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:10:40pm

re: #207 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. A conundrum has arisen. Mother (and mother-in-law) of some friends of mine has passed away. No way I will be able to make the trip for the funeral given distance, work, and weather predictions for this weekend. Not a massive fan of the sending flowers thing. This is a mention in the obit about charitable contributions, but that’s to the Susan G Komen Breast Cancer organization, and I am not happy with them due to their shenanigans as covered her in LGF in the past few years.

I have always done this:

jnf.org

I’ve done it for Jewish and Gentile friends. It’s always been very much appreciated.

222 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:11:32pm

re: #218 b.d.

Have I mentioned lately how much I loathe that suckup dudebro Chris Hayes?

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I think he’s got a weird mancrsuh on Marco. First he praises Rubio’s “solution” to poverty which is more marriage and now this. Rubio’s wrongfully equating with being in favor of banning smoking in public places with support for keeping possession of marijuana a felony or a crime period. No one not even the most anti-smoking advocates has proposed making smoking tobacco a crime and if Rubio and Hayes can’t see the difference there, then they’re being willfully obtuse.

223 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:13:03pm

re: #221 leftynyc

I have always done this:

jnf.org

I’ve done it for Jewish and Gentile friends. It’s always been very much appreciated.

That’s an interesting suggestion. The fact that it would also draw a “WTF?!?” reaction from my friends (can’t really explain that here) makes it a real temptation.

224 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:13:08pm

And for the record, I’m not big on what are deemed nanny state policies but if you can’t see the difference with having a problem with smoking cigarettes in public places and not wanting to treat marijuana users like criminals, you’re intellectually dishonest.

225 EmmaAnne  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:13:31pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

This is a good one. I always love this argument that turns God into some kind of trickster who plants things that look like evidence of evolution, just to test us dumb humans.

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So God is actually Loki! That explains so, so much.

226 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:13:46pm

re: #218 b.d.

Have I mentioned lately how much I loathe that suckup dudebro Chris Hayes?

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He gets a pass from me today because of this tweet:

227 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:14:12pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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Well, that was depressing.

It annoys me that they keep bringing up the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. That has to do with gases in isolated systems with no energy coming in and none going out.

Earth is not an isolated system since energy is constantly arriving and leaving.

Christ, ignorance pisses me off.

228 Jack Burton  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:15:13pm

So… when is there going to be a debate on whether the Ainulindalë is an allegory or meant to be taken literally.

229 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:15:37pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

And for the record, I’m not big on what are deemed nanny state policies but if you can’t see the difference with having a problem with smoking cigarettes in public places and not wanting to treat marijuana users like criminals, you’re intellectually dishonest.

When it comes to Rubio, he’s either intellectually dishonest or he’s not intellectual at all.

230 calochortus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:15:49pm

re: #227 Romantic Heretic

Well, that was depressing.

It annoys me that they keep bringing up the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. That has to do with gases in isolated systems with no energy coming in and none going out.

Earth is not an isolated system since energy is constantly arriving and leaving.

Christ, ignorance pisses me off.

I rarely want to smack people but this 2nd Law garbage makes me want to smack some sense into these people. Willful ignorance makes me nuts.

231 Lidane  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:15:51pm
232 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:16:07pm

re: #219 Joanne

Is this the games where Chicago was in the running and the righties went all clappy-clappy when we lost them to the other country? Or was that a different Olympic games?

No, that was for the 2016 Summer Olympics that Rio won.

233 calochortus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:16:47pm

BBIAB

234 A Mom Anon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:17:01pm

re: #207 Feline Fearless Leader

Donate to a local hospital with a good cancer center or to a university doing cancer research in the name of the person who passed. Send a nice condolence card and your best wishes to the family. YMMV.

235 Lidane  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:17:49pm
236 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:18:00pm

re: #229 wrenchwench

When it comes to Rubio, he’s either intellectually dishonest or he’s not intellectual at all.

I prefer the term hack.

237 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:18:33pm

re: #150 dog philosopher

what i’m scared of is people who think they would just go ahead and be evil if they wouldn’t suffer eternal torment for it

I’m scared of the woman holding the sign. It’s been my experience that people like that would have little difficulty being evil if ‘God told them to.’

God gave us free will for a reason, and we fail him if we give it up, even in His name.

238 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:20:23pm

re: #235 Lidane

That sounds like a great strategery. //

239 Testy Toad T  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:20:44pm

Support the troops! Or something!

240 chadu  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:21:36pm

re: #156 Kragar

Why would I be?

I’m also not scared of the Midgard Serpent, the Loch Ness Monster, or the Jersey Devil.

(makes note) Avoid going to Scandinavia, Scotland, and NJ with Kragar…

241 aagcobb  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:22:26pm

re: #207 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. A conundrum has arisen. Mother (and mother-in-law) of some friends of mine has passed away. No way I will be able to make the trip for the funeral given distance, work, and weather predictions for this weekend. Not a massive fan of the sending flowers thing. This is a mention in the obit about charitable contributions, but that’s to the Susan G Komen Breast Cancer organization, and I am not happy with them due to their shenanigans as covered her in LGF in the past few years.

Well they did reverse that policy and I believe the pro-life activist responsible for it is no longer with the organization.

242 gwangung  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:22:34pm

re: #227 Romantic Heretic

Well, that was depressing.

It annoys me that they keep bringing up the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. That has to do with gases in isolated systems with no energy coming in and none going out..

Anyone who brings that is asked by me…

“Can you work the equations on that?”

Because, like most “laws”, the 2nd law can be expressed as a mathematical equation….

243 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:22:39pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

mancrsuh

this typo deserves its own meaning

or maybe even its own language

244 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:22:46pm

Revised “human emotions explained by kittehs” chart.

A Feline PSA

245 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:23:23pm

re: #243 dog philosopher

this typo deserves its own meaning

or maybe even its own language

Ha.

246 Testy Toad T  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:25:49pm

re: #241 aagcobb

Well they did reverse that policy and I believe the pro-life activist responsible for it is no longer with the organization.

Yes, but they’re still trying to raise “awareness” for something that is now so culturally ingrained that the NFL has a Wear Pink Socks For A Month, Month. And things like that.

IIRC, their percent-overhead has never exactly been sterling, either.

247 chadu  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:26:46pm

re: #193 Feline Fearless Leader

God-the-Trickster gets real close very quickly to God-the-Arbitrary-Experimenter. Once the higher power is *not* expressedly looking out for you than yes you should consider being afraid since you’re now somewhere in status between a lab rat and an ant in an ant farm.

I find the Deist “Clockmaker God” actually kind of comforting (though my personal beliefs are more complicated).

Yes, God invented “tough love.” He called it “physics.”

248 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:27:15pm

re: #203 Kragar

I am naturally distrustful of anyone who says “Love and obey me or burn in hell for eternity”.

That’s one of the bits that’s made me look sideways for a loooong time.

Given the duration of eternity, the determination of whether you go to hell or heaven permanently is based on your 3 score and ten (plus or minus a bunch) here on earth.

It’s like determining whether someone’s going to get life without parole or not as they come out of the delivery room.

249 aagcobb  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:27:16pm

re: #235 Lidane

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Another Boehner brain fart that will flop, because the Tea Party will demand that any raise for the military be paid for by spending cuts elsewhere.

250 chadu  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:28:22pm

re: #203 Kragar

I am naturally distrustful of anyone who says “Love and obey me or burn in hell for eternity”.

Needy and co-dependent much, J. Hover?

251 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:29:09pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Except none of those anti-smoking people want it to be a felony to smoke cigs, Senator stupid hack for the tobacco lobby.

I’m not sure about that. I’ve encountered a few who thought that way.

I pointed out to them that doing so will increase taxes, require more police and prisons as well as increase violence as psychopaths fight over this new profitable business. Most were cool with that.

I once phoned an anti-smoking advocate on a radio show to thank him for making me rich when he advocated making possession of tobacco a felony. He was not amused.

252 chadu  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:29:25pm

re: #210 darthstar

Let’s not forget that per this logic god also created dead shit. Dead dinosaurs dismembered and sometimes partially digested by other dead dinosaurs. Dead trees that survived multiple fires before he made them really dead. And of course dead people at varying stages of evolution. That’s why I don’t worship god. Fucker’s dishonest as hell…and more than a little bit sadistic.

Or just really OCD/detail-oriented.

253 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:29:28pm

re: #235 Lidane

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That’s not a bad idea. It makes Boehner able to say he “got a concession” but at the same time makes the ‘concession’ something Obama won’t have a problem with. That’s pretty good as ideas go.

254 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:30:13pm
255 chadu  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:30:29pm

re: #215 Romantic Heretic

Can’t think of Odin without imagining Donar Vadderung these days.

All the updings.

Donar’s my boy, whatever mantle he’s wearing.

256 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:30:43pm

re: #247 chadu

I find the Deist “Clockmaker God” actually kind of comforting (though my personal beliefs are more complicated).

Yes, God invented “tough love.” He called it >”physics.”

To the YECs and other fundamentalists I suspect that deism and atheism are a distinction without a difference.

257 aagcobb  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:31:13pm

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

That’s not a bad idea. It makes Boehner able to say he “got a concession” but at the same time makes the ‘concession’ something Obama won’t have a problem with. That’s pretty good as ideas go.

Boehner won’t be able to get 218 GOP votes for it; the Tea Party will demand it get paid for.

258 leftynyc  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:31:24pm

re: #223 Feline Fearless Leader

That’s an interesting suggestion. The fact that it would also draw a “WTF?!?” reaction from my friends (can’t really explain that here) makes it a real temptation.

Hopefully you understand I’m not trying to insult anyone. I did it for my Catholic boss whose mother died. His whole family thanked me.

259 chadu  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:31:25pm

re: #225 EmmaAnne

So God is actually Loki! That explains so, so much.

Now all we need is a Hulk…

260 Lidane  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:31:29pm

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

That’s not a bad idea. It makes Boehner able to say he “got a concession” but at the same time makes the ‘concession’ something Obama won’t have a problem with. That’s pretty good as ideas go.

Which means it will fail, because the teabagger jihad against Obama doesn’t allow for any concessions. Those idiots are going to demand full repeal of Obamacare or they’ll threaten another shutdown.

261 chadu  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:32:52pm

re: #227 Romantic Heretic

Well, that was depressing.

It annoys me that they keep bringing up the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. That has to do with gases in isolated systems with no energy coming in and none going out.

Earth is not an isolated system since energy is constantly arriving and leaving.

Christ, ignorance pisses me off.

But I think their point is that the overall universe is a closed system.

Or something.

Hell, just tell them that angels are made of dark matter. See if that toasts their Pop Tart.

262 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:33:08pm

re: #254 Kragar

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What the fuck is wrong with that guy? That may be the most fucked up thing Rush has said and that’s saying something.

263 chadu  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:33:25pm

re: #235 Lidane

Stay classy, assholes.

264 darthstar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:34:08pm
265 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:35:55pm

re: #258 leftynyc

Hopefully you understand I’m not trying to insult anyone. I did it for my Catholic boss whose mother died. His whole family thanked me.

Yes I do. It’s a very nice idea and thought to have a tree planted in someone’s memory.

The complication from doing so in my case would stem from a complicated set of circumstances regarding past interactions between me and the deceased. The safe summary is that I pissed her off immensly about 25 years ago and she never fully forgave me for doing it. A tree planting could potentially be construed as a “dig” referring to old events. And I have enough of a reputation for a warped sense of humor that my friends may suspect me of doing so on purpose.

266 darthstar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:36:18pm
267 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:36:59pm

re: #260 Lidane

Which means it will fail, because the teabagger jihad against Obama doesn’t allow for any concessions. Those idiots are going to demand full repeal of Obamacare or they’ll threaten another shutdown.

Yes. And this one matters politically.

We are now less than one year out from the election. The pain and stupidity of last year is (forgive me) so last year. But if they do their little shutdown in March it’ll be remembered come voting time.

A number of people will, if not vote Democratic, still avoid voting Republican at the national level. “I like my party, but you, you little ****, you screwed me and mine and I will see you out.” You’ll see it in primaries (let’s face it, though, a lot of the primary winners will be even harder right). And you’ll see it in the actual elections with reduced turnouts (and some voters changing because there’s a line to the right they just won’t cross).

I’m betting, however, that they follow Gideon’s Creed right over the cliff. “Cast out the unbeliever, make us all pure, and lead us to our rightful place.”

268 Lidane  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:37:32pm
269 chadu  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:39:11pm

re: #256 Feline Fearless Leader

To the YECs and other fundamentalists I suspect that deism and atheism are a distinction without a difference.

“God created the universe, sure. Then he buggered off. How you like them apples?”

or

“God created the universe, sure. And lets it run on its own, only occasionally checking in and messing around with stuff. And some of that stuff is, like, across the universe, mang. There’s stuff going on near Cygnus X-1 which makes Earth look like Universe Lawrence Welk Show verses Universe Super Bowl Half-time.”

270 darthstar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:39:26pm

Sorry Charles…

271 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:40:26pm

re: #268 Lidane

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If that’s seriously their argument then that’s just plain sad. Oh you mean health care may be easier to afford and you don’t necessarily need a job for it? How awful. This whole idea of people getting their health care insurance and then not wanting to work narrative is just stupid.

272 chadu  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:45:52pm

re: #256 Feline Fearless Leader

To the YECs and other fundamentalists I suspect that deism and atheism are a distinction without a difference.

Ah, related thought.

Since moving back here to Pennsyltucky, I’ve been interacting more with… um, let’s say more “incurious” folks.

To summarize what I’ve learned thus far: Math is hard Distinctions don’t mean anything; let’s go shopping shut up!

273 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:46:00pm

re: #196 JustMark

Dude, I learned all of that reading Marvel Comics as a kid…

Didn’t/don’t do comics. Music was my consuming interest of youth when not out playing in the neighborhood or fishing/floating the river or sled riding or building tree houses in the woods and having “wars” with other kids with tree houses, etc. The few super hero comics I leafed through I found boring.

274 Please Proceed  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:46:10pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

If that’s seriously their argument then that’s just plain sad. Oh you mean health care may be easier to afford and you don’t necessarily need a job for it? How awful. This whole idea of people getting their health care insurance and then not wanting to work narrative is just stupid.

It’s extra stupid because if someone leaves a job that they don’t need it creates an opening for someone that needs one.

275 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:48:27pm

re: #274 Please Proceed

It’s extra stupid because if someone leaves a job that they don’t need it creates an opening for someone that needs one.

Precisely. And honestly jobs provide benefits that one can’t even measure tangibly. Honestly, the right needs to realize that they lost this battle and move the hell on. ACA isn’t perfect legislation but if these guys want to seriously suggest that things were better in the past where insurance companies could deny coverage to a person because of conditions they had no control over then they can honestly go fuck themselves.

276 Lidane  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:49:24pm

As someone currently facing the possibility of my UI benefits ending before I find a job, I invite Pete Sessions to kiss my ass:

277 Dr. Matt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:49:53pm

Michael Dunn, the Flori-DUH man who murdered a black teenager over loud music at a Jacksonville gas station, is outright racist and appears to be a Republican according to his jailhouse letters

The fear is that we may get a predominately black jury and therefore, unlikely to get a favorable verdict. Sad, but that’s where this country is still at. The good news is that the surrounding counties are predominately white and Republican and supporters of gun rights.”

“The jail is full of blacks and they all act like thugs. This may sound a bit radical but if more people would arm themselves and kill these (expletive) idiots, when they’re threatening you, eventually they may take the hint and change their behavior.”

278 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:50:24pm

re: #272 chadu

Ah, related thought.

Since moving back here to Pennsyltucky, I’ve been acting more with… um, let’s say more “incurious” folks.

To summarize what I’ve learned thus far: >Math is hard Distinctions don’t mean anything; let’s go shopping shut up!

Incurious, or polite and tactful? I have a great amount of curiosity about my friends or acquaintances thoughts concerning a large number of topics. But I don’t broach the subject most of the time due to a combination of not want to complicate the current occasion, knowing that it is largely none of my business, and a little bit of realizing that knowing too much will damage/destroy some of the relationships.

279 A Mom Anon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:50:53pm

re: #276 Lidane

What’s immoral is paying someone WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS 175K a year to work WAY less than half that year. Just sayin’…

280 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:50:55pm

re: #274 Please Proceed

It’s extra stupid because if someone leaves a job that they don’t need it creates an opening for someone that needs one.

Oh, even better and something I’ve argued for a long time.

There are a number of people who would leave their jobs to start their own business but haven’t because of the health insurance leash.

Not only do a bunch of openings occur, but a bunch of new businesses get started. Succeed or fail, they contribute to society in a host of ways.

281 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:51:09pm

re: #276 Lidane

As someone currently facing the possibility of my UI benefits ending before I find a job, I invite Pete Sessions to kiss my ass:

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Rich coming from a man who works less than half the year yet still receives a six figure salary. Shut up Sessions. Maybe he should give his cushy Congressional pension away to someone who will actually need it.

282 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:51:25pm

re: #260 Lidane

Which means it will fail, because the teabagger jihad against Obama doesn’t allow for any concessions. Those idiots are going to demand full repeal of Obamacare or they’ll threaten another shutdown.

No, they’re not. There’s not much “chatter” favoring trying THAT again. Even the Tea PArty knows that tactic would fail if tried, and they don’t want that kind of FAIL headed into an election.

283 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:51:45pm

re: #279 A Mom Anon

What’s immoral is paying someone 175K a year to work WAY less than half that year. Just sayin’…

Goddamn it :). But yes, this.

284 Kragar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:52:07pm

re: #276 Lidane

As someone currently facing the possibility of my UI benefits ending before I find a job, I invite Pete Sessions to kiss my ass:

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But getting a special VIP loan from Countrywide Mortgage was all good apparently.

285 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:53:20pm

re: #277 Dr. Matt

Michael Dunn, the Flori-DUH man who murdered a black teenager over loud music at a Jacksonville gas station, is outright racist and appears to be a Republican according to his jailhouse letters

I don’t really care about his personal politics but I hope the jury locks him up for the rest of his life. Killing a kid because you thought his music was too loud and you felt “threatened?” Guy’s a pathetic asshole who deserves to be in prison.

286 Lidane  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:54:36pm

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

Boehner is going to face some sort of insurrection from the teabaggers, since the Dems seem to still have a spine:

287 gwangung  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:55:28pm

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

No, they’re not. There’s not much “chatter” favoring trying THAT again. Even the Tea PArty knows that tactic would fail if tried, and they don’t want that kind of FAIL headed into an election.

I dunno, Dark…you’re rational and have an IQ in three digits….I dunno about a lot of the Tea Party folks…

288 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:56:23pm

re: #215 Romantic Heretic

Can’t think of Odin without imagining Donar Vadderung these days.

Yeah the book I am reading gives quite a few different possible ‘versions’, from different peoples in the region, of possibly the same gods with different names. Also interesting how a tree of life and fruit (specifically the apple in some) were there before Christianity came in and took over. And how many traditions still held on after christianity had taken over much of northern Europe (and christianity seemed to pick up on and take as their own). The influence of early Germans, and farther east on their beliefs. Especially the idea of a sweet apple that was cultivated much farther east for eating since the ones native to norther Europe were small and bitter.

289 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:56:43pm

Wingnuts flogging this meme on Twitter nonstop:

290 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:57:51pm

re: #277 Dr. Matt

Michael Dunn, the Flori-DUH man who murdered a black teenager over loud music at a Jacksonville gas station, is outright racist and appears to be a Republican according to his jailhouse letters

Can the prosecutors use those letters in court?

291 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:58:05pm

re: #289 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts flogging this meme on Twitter nonstop:

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Instructions must have came from the same guy who gave the order to post gun porn yesterday.

292 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:59:01pm

re: #286 Lidane

Boehner is going to face some sort of insurrection from the teabaggers, since the Dems seem to still have a spine:

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That’s stupid of them, forcing a conflict in that fashion.

293 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 2:00:06pm

re: #268 Lidane

Brilliant.

Today’s Wash Post and NYT both put this in breathless headlines on the front page. You’d think after all this time that the smart people at these papers might realize when they were being suckered. Again.

In contrast, the Baltimore Sun, apparently alone among major media outlets in perhaps having actually read the fcking report and recognizing another wingnut cry of “wolf!” buried the CBO report’s findings on page 8. And there, instead of the phony “jobs” issue, opted instead to highlight the 13 million people newly insured the law would create.

294 chadu  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 2:00:28pm

re: #278 Feline Fearless Leader

Incurious, or polite and tactful? I have a great amount of curiosity about my friends or acquaintances thoughts concerning a large number of topics. But I don’t broach the subject most of the time due to a combination of not want to complicate the current occasion, knowing that it is largely none of my business, and a little bit of realizing that knowing too much will damage/destroy some of the relationships.

Nope, incurious.

This observation gleaned passively, about a host of subjects*, in passim.

* Though there are subjects they seem to be curious about, and even delve into minutiae about: (Local) Sports Team, automotive vehicles, firearms. To an extent, quality of pulchritude expressed by the female gender (based on qualities of secondary sexual characteristics, coloration and length of hair, and amount of inked body art) and quality of deep-fried chicken forelimbs.

295 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 2:01:42pm

re: #289 Pie-onist Overlord

ONLY six, 6!!!!!! people registered for O-care on the first day——FAIL!!!! Checkmate, libtartds!!!!

296 Lidane  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 2:03:00pm

re: #292 Dark_Falcon

That’s stupid of them, forcing a conflict in that fashion.

The Dems have already made their position clear, especially after the last shutdown. They’re focing the GOP to waste time arguing among themselves and attacking their own leadership in an election year. How is that stupid?

297 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 2:05:06pm

re: #294 chadu

Nope, incurious.

This observation gleaned passively, about a host of subjects*, in passim.

* Though there are subjects they seem to be curious about, and even delve into minutiae about: (Local) Sports Team, automotive vehicles, firearms. To an extent, quality of pulchritude expressed by the female gender (based on qualities of secondary sexual characteristics, coloration and length of hair, and amount of inked body art) and quality of deep-fried chicken forelimbs.

Do they ask you about photography as well? (wink wink nudge nudge)
:)

298 chadu  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 2:13:29pm

re: #297 Feline Fearless Leader

Do they ask you about photography as well? (wink wink nudge nudge)
:)

Say no more.

SRSLY, I have stories, and it’s been a month.

;)

299 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 2:31:53pm

re: #211 wrenchwench

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You can eat Pot in brownies and not get lung cancer.

I have yet to meet the man who wants a nicotean brownie…

300 Semper Fi  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 2:40:11pm

re: #197 b.d.

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Rule:
The right-handed guy sit on the left. Left-handed guy on the right.

301 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 3:30:50pm

re: #235 Lidane

re: #239 Testy Toad T

Support the troops! Or something!

The modern TPGOP: Spout platitudes about “supporting the troops” in public and in the media as often as possible, but, in private (or what they think is in private), they never miss a chance to fuck “the troops” over as hard as everyone else.

302 urbanmeemaw  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 4:56:31pm

re: #200 Dr. Matt

OK. I’ll give it a try.

“The boot licking Obot loving media would say anything to distract people from the crimes of the NSA and the US.”

Do I win? Huh? Huh? Can I haz my 10,000 stolen NSA documents now?

Or will Charles host a Peak Greenwald Twitter contest?

303 Swift2991  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 4:58:19pm

First marijuana and now creationism? Can somebody be putting some sanity critters put in his corn flakes?


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